WEBVTT 00:02.066 --> 00:04.000 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: At the end of another week jam-packed with news from Washington, it's 00:04.000 --> 00:06.033 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% time for Shields and Brooks. 00:06.033 --> 00:10.233 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% That's syndicated columnist Mark Shields and New York Times columnist David Brooks. 00:10.233 --> 00:12.333 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% Welcome, gentleman. 00:12.333 --> 00:17.033 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% So, what is there to talk about, Mark, but yesterday's climate change decision, the president's 00:19.000 --> 00:22.800 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% announcement that the United States will pull out of the Paris climate accord? 00:23.533 --> 00:25.566 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% What did you make of it? 00:25.566 --> 00:29.066 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% MARK SHIELDS: In immediate impact, Judy, it probably means less in the American environment 00:32.566 --> 00:37.566 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% than the rules and regulations already repealed by his administration and by his EPA that 00:40.066 --> 00:44.400 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% were put in force, emissions controlled by President Obama. 00:44.400 --> 00:49.400 align:left position:20%,start line:71% size:70% But, in a larger sense, it belies and reveals that president's sense about the world. 00:51.933 --> 00:54.833 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% The world is a dangerous, sinister place. 00:54.833 --> 00:56.366 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% There's conspiracies. 00:56.366 --> 01:00.300 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% Other countries are not our friends, are partners. 01:00.300 --> 01:01.833 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Everything is transactional. 01:01.833 --> 01:03.833 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% There are no fixed values. 01:03.833 --> 01:08.466 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% We saw that, I thought most dramatically, at NATO, where the president showed an absolute 01:10.333 --> 01:14.033 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% absence of any historical understanding of American exceptionalism. 01:14.033 --> 01:19.033 align:left position:20%,start line:71% size:70% And, as one who frankly subscribes to it that three times in the 20th century the United 01:20.966 --> 01:24.100 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% States saved the world from totalitarianism, twice in World Wars, once in the Cold War, 01:26.000 --> 01:30.033 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% and 124,965 American graves around the world in cemeteries, and 94,000 still missing. 01:33.033 --> 01:34.866 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% And I just don't understand. 01:34.866 --> 01:37.533 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% The president knows that it was for values. 01:37.533 --> 01:40.200 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And when NATO has made mistakes, we have made mistakes. 01:40.200 --> 01:42.466 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% We have been guilty of hubris. 01:42.466 --> 01:46.833 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% But the world is a much better place because of the United States' leadership. 01:46.833 --> 01:51.833 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And this was an example of the United States working with other nations for a common good 01:53.000 --> 01:54.466 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% to preserve our planet. 01:54.466 --> 01:56.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And he just turned his back on it. 01:56.633 --> 01:59.233 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: What did you make of the president's decision and his argument for why he did it? 01:59.233 --> 02:00.600 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% DAVID BROOKS: Yes, well, I sort of agree with Mark. 02:00.600 --> 02:02.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% It was nice to have an American century. 02:02.000 --> 02:03.266 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% We were a superpower once. 02:03.266 --> 02:05.233 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And now we're headed the way of Portugal. 02:05.233 --> 02:09.966 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% No, it was -- environmentally, I can't get super excited about it. 02:09.966 --> 02:13.766 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% I think it was a setback for the cause of addressing global warming. 02:13.766 --> 02:18.166 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% But, as we have heard many times, it was a voluntary agreement. 02:18.166 --> 02:21.933 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And so this -- and we have done a very good job, because of natural gas and fracking and 02:21.933 --> 02:25.300 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% other things, of reducing emissions over the last five years or so. 02:25.300 --> 02:29.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And I presume the market will still work and the emissions will still come down. 02:29.333 --> 02:33.666 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And so we -- Donald Trump could have addressed his concerns about coal workers and stayed 02:33.666 --> 02:34.666 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% in the Paris accords. 02:34.666 --> 02:35.666 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% There is nothing block. 02:35.666 --> 02:37.433 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% It was totally voluntary. 02:37.433 --> 02:39.033 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% So this wasn't about global warming. 02:39.033 --> 02:41.066 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% This wasn't about the environment. 02:41.066 --> 02:45.866 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% This was about sticking a thumb in the eye of polite society, the elites, the globalists. 02:47.900 --> 02:51.866 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% This was a Steve Bannon-led thing designed to change America's role in the world. 02:51.866 --> 02:56.866 align:left position:20%,start line:71% size:70% And so, to me, the effect is much worse on the global diplomacy and the idea of a world 02:58.466 --> 03:00.766 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% order than it is, at least in the short-term, about climate change. 03:00.766 --> 03:03.333 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And the effects, I think, are ruinous. 03:03.333 --> 03:07.233 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% You can't lead the world and stick your thumb in the eye of the world. 03:07.233 --> 03:11.000 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% People -- if you act extremely selfishly to other people, they will start acting extremely 03:11.000 --> 03:12.433 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% selfishly to you. 03:12.433 --> 03:14.700 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% And that is about to happen. 03:14.700 --> 03:19.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And so as the idea that America could lead the world and should influence the world and 03:19.333 --> 03:23.600 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% should have friendship with other powerful nations in the world, that's an idea that 03:23.600 --> 03:25.766 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% took a big hit this week. 03:25.766 --> 03:29.166 align:left position:20%,start line:71% size:70% JUDY WOODRUFF: But, as we famously heard him say, yesterday, Mark, the president said, 03:29.166 --> 03:32.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% I'm here to represent the people of Pittsburgh, and not the people of Paris. 03:32.433 --> 03:37.433 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% MARK SHIELDS: Yes, no, it was a nice alliterative line that didn't have much relevance in reality, 03:39.300 --> 03:43.766 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% Pittsburgh having supported Hillary Clinton and basically being a green city. 03:46.600 --> 03:50.300 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And I think it was a political statement. 03:50.300 --> 03:55.300 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% One can say, in defense of the president, I guess, he kept his word. 03:56.500 --> 03:58.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% He hasn't been known as a truth-teller always. 03:58.566 --> 04:02.400 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% No one has confused him with George Washington on veracity. 04:02.400 --> 04:07.400 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% But he kept his word on the Trans-Pacific treaty, trade treaty. 04:09.400 --> 04:12.600 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% He kept his word on NATO and that he was going to belittle it, or at least diminish it. 04:13.466 --> 04:15.700 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% And he kept his word here. 04:15.700 --> 04:18.366 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And I think that was probably the strongest argument inside. 04:18.366 --> 04:20.400 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% DAVID BROOKS: Yes. 04:20.400 --> 04:24.366 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% Yes, I'm just struck by the fact that his is an administration driven solely by resentment. 04:26.433 --> 04:29.100 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% He will side with the Steve Bannon side if that position will alienate the people he 04:29.100 --> 04:31.200 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% feels resentful for. 04:31.200 --> 04:35.400 align:left position:20%,start line:71% size:70% He will side with the regular Republican side and the budgetary, the more free market side 04:36.500 --> 04:38.633 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% if that will offend elite opinion. 04:38.633 --> 04:42.666 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% It seems to be all based on some sense of resentment, a sense of social inferiority, 04:42.666 --> 04:47.666 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% a sense of fragile ego, him just wanting to stick the eye in the people he is resenting. 04:49.666 --> 04:51.966 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And I -- more than any other time -- we have talked about Trump not telling the truth a 04:51.966 --> 04:54.000 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% lot over the last year. 04:54.000 --> 04:58.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% But that global warming speech to me set new standards of just being irrelevant to the 04:59.566 --> 05:01.066 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% facts. 05:01.066 --> 05:03.033 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% We devote our lives to talking about the evidence. 05:03.033 --> 05:06.400 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% We write these wonky columns about exciting things and this and that. 05:06.400 --> 05:11.400 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And what Donald Trump said about the Paris accord is -- just has no engagement with reality. 05:13.400 --> 05:15.900 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% The fact that somehow we're bound by this, somehow that we would be under some sort of 05:15.900 --> 05:20.900 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% legal liability if we didn't abide by the Paris accords, the fact that the Chinese are 05:22.833 --> 05:25.933 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% given permission by Paris to do this and we're not, all that has no contact reality, and 05:27.066 --> 05:28.000 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% it doesn't seem like Donald Trump knows that. 05:28.000 --> 05:30.066 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% MARK SHIELDS: He doesn't. 05:30.066 --> 05:31.600 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% DAVID BROOKS: As a number of commentators made, it doesn't seem like lying. 05:31.600 --> 05:35.100 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% It just seems like willful ignorance and disinterest. 05:35.100 --> 05:38.566 align:left position:20%,start line:71% size:70% And we have had a lot of presidents with a lot of disagreements, but there has been an 05:38.566 --> 05:43.566 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% attachment to some sort of basic research, some basic contact with reality, which it 05:45.400 --> 05:48.033 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% seems there has just been a failure of intellectual virtue here. 05:48.033 --> 05:51.900 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% And because there is some underlying psychological issues which is he is working out, and whatever 05:51.900 --> 05:55.433 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% he needs to do that, the facts have to fit that lower reality. 05:55.433 --> 05:57.433 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% MARK SHIELDS: Yes. 05:57.433 --> 06:01.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% I would just add to that, Judy, what compounds it is not -- if you are on the other side 06:03.500 --> 06:06.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% of the argument, you are not wrong, you are not mistaken, your facts aren't incorrect. 06:06.333 --> 06:10.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% You are evil, you are part of a conspiracy. 06:10.733 --> 06:15.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And whatever one thinks, we are all, all of us, all human beings, are passengers on this 06:18.933 --> 06:23.933 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% little spaceship of ours with very precious supplies, vulnerable supplies of air and water 06:27.033 --> 06:29.566 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% and soil. 06:29.566 --> 06:33.033 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% And, you know, any attempt to make it rational, to make it just, to help human -- make people 06:36.166 --> 06:40.333 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% more safe and secure and healthy is to be commended. 06:40.333 --> 06:45.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And he's all of a sudden really did regard this as selling out the United States. 06:47.266 --> 06:52.133 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And to cede to China the leadership in the green industry, is an abdication. 06:56.033 --> 07:01.033 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% He accused Barack Obama, and so did many Republicans, of leading from the rear. 07:02.500 --> 07:06.233 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And this is retweeting to the rear at every possible level. 07:08.133 --> 07:11.633 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And I just cannot overstate the NATO -- NATO brought a sustained period of peace, more 07:13.633 --> 07:17.833 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% sustained than any time since the French Revolution, to the continent of Europe. 07:17.833 --> 07:22.500 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% I mean, that is an achievement of such historical magnitude. 07:22.500 --> 07:23.500 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% And to just dismiss it. 07:23.500 --> 07:25.733 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% He is not even aware of it. 07:25.733 --> 07:27.800 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% I don't think he understands it. 07:27.800 --> 07:31.766 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: From a purely political standpoint, David, the president, one assumes he think 07:31.766 --> 07:33.233 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% this is a smart thing to do. 07:33.233 --> 07:35.766 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% I mean, is it a smart thing for him to do? 07:35.766 --> 07:37.433 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% DAVID BROOKS: I think so. 07:37.433 --> 07:39.533 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% Yes, I do think so. 07:39.533 --> 07:43.166 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% Environment has never driven political voters, I do not think. 07:43.166 --> 07:46.700 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% I can't remember a time when environmental issues really rose to that level. 07:46.700 --> 07:51.700 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And any time you can pit the economy vs. the environment, say I'm siding with the economy, 07:53.633 --> 07:56.200 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% politically -- again, not on the merits, not what I think of it -- I think it is probably 07:56.200 --> 07:58.600 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% a winning issue. 07:58.600 --> 08:02.200 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% Then, finally, just remember, this is an administration who is polling and whose interest is focused 08:02.933 --> 08:05.966 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% on about 12 states. 08:05.966 --> 08:08.000 align:left position:30%,start line:83% size:60% And that's a lot of coal country. 08:08.000 --> 08:13.000 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And so if people in that part of the world, with some justice, some minor justice, see 08:15.300 --> 08:18.166 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% Donald Trump as their savior against the elites in Paris, then, politically -- taking aside 08:18.166 --> 08:20.800 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% the merits, politically, I think it is probably a good move for him. 08:20.800 --> 08:22.833 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: Do you agree it's winning politically? 08:22.833 --> 08:25.933 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% MARK SHIELDS: Well, I thought Governor Jerry Brown made a case last night in his interview 08:25.933 --> 08:30.933 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% with you, pointed out that California has the toughest, greenest standards of the country, 08:32.833 --> 08:37.566 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% far more draconian by Trump's standard, measure, than anything, environmentally. 08:39.500 --> 08:43.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% Two million new jobs, a gross domestic product grown 40 percent fastest than the nation, 08:46.133 --> 08:50.500 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% in spite of, because of the greenness. 08:50.500 --> 08:54.266 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% So, I think a case can be made. 08:54.266 --> 08:56.400 align:left position:30%,start line:83% size:60% But I just think -- I don't know. 08:56.400 --> 09:00.900 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% I just think there is a limit to the isolation and this sort of -- this defensive paranoid, 09:02.466 --> 09:04.733 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% whatever you call it, nationalism. 09:04.733 --> 09:06.833 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% It isn't even nationalism. 09:06.833 --> 09:11.533 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% It is just sort of everybody, all strangers, they are all -- you know, they are all bad. 09:12.266 --> 09:13.400 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% They wish us no well. 09:13.400 --> 09:14.900 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: An us vs. them. 09:14.900 --> 09:16.966 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% MARK SHIELDS: On every matter. 09:16.966 --> 09:20.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% DAVID BROOKS: Yes, but do you notice how what used to be substantive disagreements turn 09:20.733 --> 09:21.933 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% into cultural wars? 09:21.933 --> 09:24.000 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% It's like the gun issue. 09:24.000 --> 09:27.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% It used to be the gun issue, gun control was about which kind of guns we should have floating 09:27.433 --> 09:28.666 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% around in our society. 09:28.666 --> 09:31.366 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% But then it became rural vs. urban. 09:31.366 --> 09:33.966 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% And the substance didn't actually matter that much. 09:33.966 --> 09:38.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And one has the sense with global warming it's a not about substance anymore. 09:38.433 --> 09:42.466 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% It is about what culture -- in our cultural divide, which culture are you on? 09:42.466 --> 09:45.966 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And so he aligned with one culture, a rural culture, which is his base. 09:45.966 --> 09:50.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And that is why I think, from his point of view, it solidifies that, which he needs to 09:50.433 --> 09:52.533 align:left position:40%,start line:89% size:50% survive. 09:52.533 --> 09:54.566 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, it seems like a long time ago, but it was just -- really just really 09:54.566 --> 09:58.900 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% a couple of days ago, Mark, that we were hearing reports about the White House in disarray, 10:00.900 --> 10:04.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% the president planning to fire or rearrange - - fire people, rearrange the staff in an 10:06.833 --> 10:11.500 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% attempt to get beyond the focus on the Russia investigation, everything else. 10:11.500 --> 10:16.500 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% You couple that with the Paris announcement, do you see this White House in any sense getting 10:18.700 --> 10:23.700 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% beyond, getting its hands around the dysfunction that appears to be gripping... 10:25.866 --> 10:27.733 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% MARK SHIELDS: I really don't. 10:27.733 --> 10:30.300 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% I really don't, Judy. 10:30.300 --> 10:33.966 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% I mean, just imagine yourself, you are Reince Priebus, you are the chief of staff, and complained 10:36.000 --> 10:39.600 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% to a friend, look, said he hadn't been able to spend time with his children for the past 10:40.733 --> 10:42.000 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% four months. 10:42.000 --> 10:44.566 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% And what does he read every day in the paper? 10:44.566 --> 10:47.400 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% The president called him Reincy, refers to him as Reincy. 10:47.400 --> 10:48.700 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% He's going to be ambassador to Greece. 10:48.700 --> 10:50.033 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% They are going to get him out. 10:50.033 --> 10:51.033 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% They're going to replace him. 10:51.033 --> 10:53.100 align:left position:10%,start line:89% size:80% Who is going to replace him? 10:53.100 --> 10:57.133 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% You can't be thrive, you can't be productive in that kind of an environment, where you 10:57.133 --> 11:01.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% are looking over your shoulder at who is conspiring over here and what faction? 11:01.333 --> 11:03.966 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% Are you Kushner or are you Bannon? 11:03.966 --> 11:08.966 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% And it just -- Judy, they work long hours, they work hard, and they're uncertain. 11:10.666 --> 11:12.500 align:left position:20%,start line:89% size:70% They're being sniped at. 11:12.500 --> 11:14.866 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% There is no appreciation, there's no sense of shared mission. 11:14.866 --> 11:17.800 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% And the reward is when you tell the president what he wants to hear. 11:17.800 --> 11:22.800 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% It's the antithesis of Jim Baker and Ronald Reagan, where a president was secure enough 11:24.833 --> 11:28.800 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% and confident enough to ask a chief of staff for advice that he didn't want to hear, that 11:29.666 --> 11:31.600 align:left position:30%,start line:89% size:60% was tough. 11:31.600 --> 11:33.600 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: Does all this matter, David, quickly or inside baseball? 11:33.600 --> 11:36.166 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% DAVID BROOKS: Well, it matters if we don't have an effective administration. 11:36.166 --> 11:40.766 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% Reince Priebus has the ultimate job security right now, because nobody else wants the job, 11:40.766 --> 11:43.033 align:left position:20%,start line:77% size:70% so they can't get rid of him, because somebody has got to do it. 11:43.033 --> 11:48.033 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% But I do think it makes the prospect of a functional White House very remote, because 11:49.466 --> 11:51.000 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% you can't get new people because they don't want it. 11:51.000 --> 11:53.466 align:left position:10%,start line:83% size:80% The current people are in some sort of war with each other. 11:53.466 --> 11:56.066 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% And every time we hear about something internal, whether it was the decision-making over global 11:56.066 --> 12:00.633 align:left position:10%,start line:71% size:80% warming, or the shambolic attempt to get an FBI director, it just sounds like disorganization. 12:00.633 --> 12:05.600 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: And more reports tonight about investigations with the Mueller probe. 12:06.700 --> 12:08.466 align:left position:20%,start line:83% size:70% David Brooks, Mark Shields, thank you both.