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>> Sreenivasan: THE PROTESTS SET

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OFF BY THE KILLING OF GEORGE

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FLOYD IN MINNEAPOLIS, MINNESOTA,

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ARE BEING LED BY A NEW

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GENERATION OF YOUNG ACTIVISTS,

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MANY WHO ALSO WANT TO BRING MORE

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ATTENTION TO THE STORIES OF

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POLICE VIOLENCE AGAINST BLACK

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WOMEN.

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I SPOKE RECENTLY WITH KEISHA

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BLAIN, AN ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR OF

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HISTORY AT THE UNIVERSITY OF

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PITTSBURGH AND AUTHOR OF "SET

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THE WORLD ON FIRE: BLACK

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NATIONALIST WOMEN AND THE GLOBAL

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STRUGGLE FOR FREEDOM."

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DR. BLAIN, IT SEEMS, AS WE HAVE

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THIS NATIONAL CONVERSATION

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THAT'S BEEN PROMPTED IN PART BY

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GEORGE FLOYD'S DEATH, THAT THERE

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IS SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE'RE

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MISSING WHEN IT COMES TO AN

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ENTIRE GENDER THAT'S STRUGGLING

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WITH THE SAME THINGS.

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>> YES, I THINK SO.

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IN FACT, MANY ACTIVISTS IN THE

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LAST FEW WEEKS HAVE BEEN

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POINTING OUT THE FACT THAT EVEN

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BEFORE THE POLICE KILLING OF

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GEORGE FLOYD, BREONNA TAYLOR WAS

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KILLED BY THE POLICE, AN E.M.T.

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WORKER IN LOUISVILLE, KENTUCKY.

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AND ACTIVISTS HAVE BEEN

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INSISTING THAT WE REALLY PAY

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ATTENTION TO THIS CASE.

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TO THIS VERY DAY, THE POLICE

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OFFICERS WHO-- WHO KILLED TAYLOR

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HAVE NOT BEEN ARRESTED.

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AND I THINK MORE AND MORE PEOPLE

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ARE SURELY TALKING ABOUT BRIANNA

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TAYLOR, BUT THAT WAS JUST ONE

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EXAMPLE OF HOW BLACK WOMEN'S

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EXPERIENCES ARE OFTEN SIDELINED

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IN NATIONAL NARRATIVES ABOUT

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AMERICAN POLICING.

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>> Sreenivasan: THERE WAS A

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WHOLE "SAY HER NAME" CAMPAIGN

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THAT WAS QUITE SUCCESSFUL IN

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TRYING TO RAISE AWARENESS OF IT,

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BUT IT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT--

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AND IT STILL ISN'T SOMETHING

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THAT CREATES THE SAME KIND OF

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HEADLINES.

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WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS?

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>> WELL, CERTAINLY, I THINK THE

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DATA REVEALS TO US THAT THE

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MAJORITY OF BLACK PEOPLE THAT

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ARE-- WHO ARE KILLED BY POLICE

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ARE YOUNG BLACK MEN.

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SO, IN SOME WAYS, THE-- THE

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FOCUS ON BLACK MEN IS-- IS VERY

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MUCH REFLECTIVE OF WHAT THE DATA

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TELLS US.

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BUT THE TRUTH IS THAT THERE'S

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ALSO, I THINK TO A LARGE EXTENT,

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PERHAPS WE MIGHT SAY SEXISM AND

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EVEN, YOU KNOW, PATRIARCHY,

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WHICH IS TO SAY THAT THE WAY

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PEOPLE WRITE ABOUT AMERICAN

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POLICING TENDS TO FOCUS

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PRIMARILY ON THE EXPERIENCES OF

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BLACK MEN.

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AND EVEN AS WE RECOGNIZE THAT--

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THAT MOST BLACK MEN ARE KILLED

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BY THE POLICE, I THINK THE KEY

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HERE IS TO TELL THE WHOLE STORY;

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THAT THE KEY HERE IS TO MAKE IT

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CLEAR THAT BLACK WOMEN AND GIRLS

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ARE ALSO VULNERABLE TO STATE-

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SANCTIONED VIOLENCE.

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>> Sreenivasan: WHAT ABOUT THE

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IMPACT OF THE VIOLENCE ON

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EVERYBODY THAT'S RELATED TO OR

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CONNECTED TO THE INDIVIDUAL,

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RIGHT, WHETHER THEY ARE MOTHERS

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OR SISTERS OR DAUGHTERS?

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THAT THERE IS TRAUMA; THAT IT'S

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NOT JUST THE ONE PERSON THAT

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DIED, THAT GOT HURT, SO TO

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SPEAK.

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>> EXACTLY.

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AND WE SEE THAT CLEARLY WITH THE

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RECENT CASE OF ERIC GARNER.

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WITHIN DAYS OF-- OF GARNER'S

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DEATH, WE SAW HIS DAUGHTER,

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ERICA, RISING ON THE NATIONAL

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SCENE, PUSHING THE ISSUE,

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DEMANDING, YOU KNOW, CHANGES IN

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AMERICAN POLICING.

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BUT-- BUT THE KEY HERE IS THAT

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BLACK WOMEN ARE-- ARE CERTAINLY

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AFFECTED.

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WE CAN TALK ABOUT TRAUMA.

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WE CAN TALK ABOUT JUST THE

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EMOTIONAL TURMOIL THAT THEY GO

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THROUGH.

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AND IT'S NOT SURPRISING THEN

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THAT THEY ARE OFTEN THE ONES AT

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THE FOREFRONT OF THE FIGHT TO

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BRING AN END TO POLICE VIOLENCE

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AND BRUTALITY.

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>> Sreenivasan: AND YOU

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LITERALLY HAVE WRITTEN THE BOOK

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ON THIS, THAT BEING AT THE

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FOREFRONT OF THE FIGHT IS

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SOMETHING THAT BLACK WOMEN HAVE

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BEEN DOING FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

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>> ABSOLUTELY.

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AND MY BOOK, YOU KNOW, "SET THE

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WORLD ON FIRE," FOCUSES

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PRIMARILY ON WORKING-CLASS BLACK

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WOMEN AND IMPOVERISHED BLACK

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WOMEN.

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AND I THINK THAT'S KEY, TOO,

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BECAUSE MANY OF THE WOMEN WHO I

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TALK ABOUT DID NOT HAVE MUCH OF

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A FORMAL EDUCATION.

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MANY OF THEM DID NOT HAVE MANY--

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DID NOT HAVE MUCH MATERIAL

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RESOURCES.

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BUT WHAT THEY DID HAVE WAS

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PASSION.

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AND WHAT THEY DID HAVE WERE

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THEIR VOICES.

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AND WHAT THEY DID HAVE WAS THE

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ABILITY TO JUST OPEN UP AND

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EXPLAIN WHAT THE PROBLEMS WERE

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IN THEIR COMMUNITY, TAKE TO THE

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STREETS AND DEMAND CHANGES.

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AND EVEN WHEN THEY DIDN'T HAVE

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ACCESS TO THE VOTE AT A TIME

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WHERE BLACK WOMEN COULD NOT VOTE

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THESE WOMEN WERE STILL

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DETERMINED TO-- TO-- TO MAKE

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CHANGES, TO SHAPE NATIONAL

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POLITICS AND ALSO GO-- GLOBAL

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POLITICS.

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>> Sreenivasan: KEISHA BLAINE,

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ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR, UNIVERSITY

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OF PITTSBURGH, THANKS SO MUCH

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FOR JOINING US.

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>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.