WEBVTT 00:01.933 --> 00:05.066 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% AMNA NAWAZ: Now we continue our Race Matters coverage about inequality, racial justice 00:05.066 --> 00:10.066 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% and specific challenges for black Americans, the first, a story on major economic gaps 00:12.000 --> 00:15.400 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% in wealth and income, the second on Hollywood's need for better representation on and off 00:16.000 --> 00:18.133 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% the screen. 00:18.133 --> 00:21.266 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Economics correspondent Paul Solman starts with a report on the historic disparities 00:21.266 --> 00:26.266 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% African-Americans face, and how that history is making the current problems of COVID even 00:26.733 --> 00:28.300 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% worse. 00:28.300 --> 00:30.933 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% It's part of his regular reporting for our series Making Sense. 00:30.933 --> 00:35.400 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% LYDIA CHATMON, Selma Center for Nonviolence: When the rest of the country catches a cold, 00:35.400 --> 00:37.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% a place like the Black Belt catches the flu. 00:37.366 --> 00:39.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% PAUL SOLMAN: Or, these days, something worse. 00:39.933 --> 00:42.033 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% WOMAN: COVID hit us hard. 00:42.033 --> 00:46.233 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% PAUL SOLMAN: The pandemic has delivered a knockout blow to black Americans physically. 00:46.233 --> 00:48.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% They're dying at twice or more the rate of whites. 00:48.366 --> 00:50.000 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% MAN: Good afternoon. 00:50.000 --> 00:52.433 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% PAUL SOLMAN: But they are also hit much harder economically. Why? 00:52.433 --> 00:56.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% LISA COOK, Michigan State University: African-Americans are concentrated in the areas of the economy 00:57.633 --> 00:59.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that have been hardest hit by COVID-19. 00:59.666 --> 01:01.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% PAUL SOLMAN: Economics Professor Lisa Cook. 01:01.766 --> 01:06.466 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% LISA COOK: Let's just look at unemployment statistics. There's 14 percent unemployment 01:06.466 --> 01:10.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% rate among black women, 16.3 percent among black men. 01:10.366 --> 01:15.366 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% PAUL SOLMAN: Compared to 10.1 percent for whites. Now, it so happens a black-white unemployment 01:17.300 --> 01:21.500 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% gap, widening when times are bad, is, sadly, par for the course, in the Great Depression, 01:23.433 --> 01:26.566 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% in the Great Recession, as economist William Rogers told me in 2009. 01:26.566 --> 01:30.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WILLIAM ROGERS, Rutgers University: When we entered the recession, African-Americans started 01:30.133 --> 01:35.133 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% with a higher unemployment rate. And, as we have gone through these last 16 months, the 01:36.133 --> 01:38.133 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% gap has widened. 01:38.133 --> 01:42.133 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% PAUL SOLMAN: Pre-pandemic, black unemployment had hit a record low of 5.8 percent, a fact 01:43.866 --> 01:45.966 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% President Trump often touted. 01:45.966 --> 01:47.933 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% DONALD TRUMP, President of the United States: We have the best numbers we have ever had. 01:47.933 --> 01:52.666 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% PAUL SOLMAN: But Cook says black workers, stuck in low-wage service jobs, embody the 01:52.666 --> 01:55.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% old adage last hired, first fired. 01:55.433 --> 02:00.433 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% LISA COOK: The last hired means that there is not the ability to accumulate income. That 02:01.866 --> 02:04.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% makes African-Americans less able to weather such a storm. 02:04.666 --> 02:09.666 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% PAUL SOLMAN: In Alabama's so-called Black Belt, the jobless rate is at 20 percent. 02:11.100 --> 02:13.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Lydia Chatmon of the Selma Center for Nonviolence. 02:13.100 --> 02:16.166 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% LYDIA CHATMON: So, where other people are able to still survive, work from home, we 02:16.166 --> 02:21.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% don't have a whole lot of businesses and industries that allow for that. So, the financial impact 02:22.333 --> 02:24.800 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% has been great. 02:24.800 --> 02:27.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% DAVID LEONHARDT, The New York Times: The black-white wage gap among men is as large as it was in 02:27.400 --> 02:28.900 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% 1950. 02:28.900 --> 02:30.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% PAUL SOLMAN: That's New York Times writer David Leonhardt. 02:30.933 --> 02:35.066 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% DAVID LEONHARDT: We see that black men make only 51 cents on the dollar, relative to white 02:35.066 --> 02:36.533 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% men. 02:36.533 --> 02:38.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% PAUL SOLMAN: Therefore, says economist Trevon Logan: 02:38.700 --> 02:41.366 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% TREVON LOGAN, The Ohio State University: Much less of a cushion to cushion the blow. Much 02:41.366 --> 02:46.366 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% more likely, then, of course, to need to be employed in the places where they are essential 02:48.466 --> 02:50.533 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% workers. 02:50.533 --> 02:54.066 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% LISA COOK: So, yes, there would be desperation with respect to trying to find another job. 02:54.066 --> 02:57.800 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% DERRICK PALMER, Amazon Worker: You guys need to provide us with masks. You need to provide 02:57.800 --> 03:00.266 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% us with gloves. 03:00.266 --> 03:03.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% PAUL SOLMAN: Starting in March, Amazon warehouse workers, disproportionately people of color, 03:03.733 --> 03:07.733 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% staged protests around the country over what they said were unsafe working conditions. 03:07.733 --> 03:08.733 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% GERALD BRYSON, Amazon Worker: They was talking about, we're going by CDC standards. But when 03:08.733 --> 03:12.200 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% we call the CDC, they are not. 03:12.200 --> 03:17.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% PAUL SOLMAN: Amazon fired several of the activists, though the company has since rolled out safety 03:19.200 --> 03:23.533 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% measures. But good protection still isn't available to many of America's essential workers. 03:25.466 --> 03:28.833 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% JASON HARGROVE, Bus Driver: This coronavirus (EXPLETIVE DELETED) is for real. And we out 03:30.800 --> 03:35.800 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% here as public workers doing our job trying to make an honest living to take care of our 03:37.166 --> 03:39.200 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% families. 03:39.200 --> 03:43.166 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% PAUL SOLMAN: Detroit bus driver Jason Hargrove on March 21, in a Facebook video complaining 03:43.900 --> 03:45.933 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% about a passenger. 03:45.933 --> 03:49.733 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% JASON HARGROVE: That woman that was on this bus that stood up behind the line, where they 03:51.733 --> 03:55.766 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% are not supposed to be, and coughed four or five times, and didn't cover up her mouth. 03:57.733 --> 04:01.600 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% PAUL SOLMAN: Eleven days later, Hargrove, a 50-year-old father of six, died of COVID-19. 04:04.566 --> 04:09.366 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% African-Americans like Hargrove make up only 13 percent or so of the U.S. population, but 04:09.366 --> 04:14.100 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% nearly double that percentage of transportation, warehouse and delivery workers. 04:14.100 --> 04:19.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Just imagine what happens to a family's finances when that worker is incapacitated, or worse. 04:21.633 --> 04:25.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% And the problem is, African-American finances have been deteriorating for years, says economist 04:26.700 --> 04:28.800 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% Logan. 04:28.800 --> 04:32.633 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% TREVON LOGAN: Wealth actually has receded for African-Americans since the last Great 04:32.633 --> 04:37.633 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Recession. And, in fact, the wealth disparities are larger than they were 20 years ago. 04:39.666 --> 04:43.733 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% DAVID LEONHARDT: The typical white family has a net worth 41 times the typical black 04:44.666 --> 04:46.733 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% family, which is just remarkable. 04:46.733 --> 04:51.100 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% PAUL SOLMAN: And, adds David Leonhardt, to a large extent, the wealth gap is a function 04:52.266 --> 04:54.300 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% of policy. 04:54.300 --> 04:57.500 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% DAVID LEONHARDT: The U.S. government in the decades after World War II subsidized families 04:57.500 --> 05:01.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to buy houses, which is a key way that people build wealth. 05:01.466 --> 05:06.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% But the way the policy was written, they essentially said, to get these low-interest loans, you 05:06.033 --> 05:11.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% have to live in a predominantly white neighborhood. The government justified this by saying that 05:12.566 --> 05:14.566 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% white neighborhoods were essentially better housing investments. 05:14.566 --> 05:19.166 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% TREVON LOGAN: And then I looked at the map of Columbus, my home, right in that giant 05:20.000 --> 05:22.033 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% red box. 05:22.033 --> 05:26.000 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% PAUL SOLMAN: Black neighborhoods were literally redlined on maps for decades, off-limits to 05:27.166 --> 05:29.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% the housing investment which builds wealth. 05:29.200 --> 05:33.866 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% TREVON LOGAN: I can show you every city in the United States. It's the same in Indianapolis. 05:35.833 --> 05:39.566 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% It's the same in Cleveland. It's the same in Detroit. It's the same in Philadelphia. 05:41.533 --> 05:45.533 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% PAUL SOLMAN: And during the crash of 2008, those neighborhoods became hotbeds of sleazy 05:48.066 --> 05:50.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% subprime loans and often, as a result, foreclosure, less wealth, and thus less access to capital 05:54.133 --> 05:56.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% for buying a home, for building a business. 05:56.533 --> 06:00.266 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% ALPHONZO CROSS, Owner, Parlor: Having operating capital is everything. We are not afforded 06:00.266 --> 06:03.866 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% the same kinds of opportunities, because we're looked at as a risk. And we're looked at as 06:03.866 --> 06:07.900 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% a risk because we don't have access to the capital in order for there not to be a risk. 06:07.900 --> 06:12.900 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% PAUL SOLMAN: Alphonzo Cross owns Parlor, a craft cocktail lounge in Atlanta. It's in 06:14.333 --> 06:16.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% a building his family owns in a less fashionable part of town. 06:16.866 --> 06:21.866 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% ALPHONZO CROSS: As a black business owner, there are still places that you cannot get 06:23.400 --> 06:25.633 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% a lease, no matter what. 06:25.633 --> 06:29.400 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% PAUL SOLMAN: But they don't say to you, we're not leasing to you because you're black?' 06:29.400 --> 06:33.500 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% ALPHONZO CROSS: Well, this isn't 1952. Of course they're not saying that. 06:33.500 --> 06:35.566 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% (LAUGHTER) 06:35.566 --> 06:38.900 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% PAUL SOLMAN: But being locked out of high-traffic areas means less revenue, even during the 06:38.900 --> 06:40.866 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% good times. 06:40.866 --> 06:44.900 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% ALPHONZO CROSS: Throw a pandemic into the mix, and you now need access to more capital 06:46.033 --> 06:48.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to get through this dumpster fire of a year. 06:48.133 --> 06:51.166 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% MARC MORIAL, President, National Urban League: African-American businesses come to the pandemic 06:51.166 --> 06:53.233 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% smaller. 06:53.233 --> 06:57.133 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% PAUL SOLMAN: Marc Morial is president and CEO of the National Urban League. 06:57.133 --> 07:02.133 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% MARC MORIAL: Less of a reserve in cash and money, and, therefore, harder to weather the 07:06.266 --> 07:08.466 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% storm. 07:08.466 --> 07:12.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% PAUL SOLMAN: What's so infuriating to African-Americans is that this is a legacy of an intentional 07:12.200 --> 07:16.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% past, slavery and Jim Crow, most notably segregation. 07:16.633 --> 07:21.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% DAVID WILLIAMS, Harvard University: Segregation is the secret sauce that creates racial inequality 07:23.766 --> 07:25.700 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% in the United States. 07:25.700 --> 07:29.066 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% PAUL SOLMAN: Harvard sociologist David Williams in a 2017 TED Talk. 07:29.066 --> 07:34.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% DAVID WILLIAMS: If you could eliminate statistically residential segregation, you would completely 07:35.866 --> 07:39.766 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% erase black-white differences in income, education and unemployment. 07:41.766 --> 07:44.866 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% PAUL SOLMAN: And, Williams might have added, perhaps the differences leading to a very 07:44.866 --> 07:49.866 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% different COVID-19 death rate. It's the reasons behind that death rate that we will explore 07:50.733 --> 07:51.500 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% in our next Making Sense report.