1 00:00:02,433 --> 00:00:05,233 JUDY WOODRUFF: Almost half of the candidates seeking the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination 2 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:08,533 faced off in Tuesday night's debate in Detroit. 3 00:00:08,533 --> 00:00:13,533 As Amna Nawaz reports, the ideological rift in the crowded field was on full display. 4 00:00:15,433 --> 00:00:18,833 AMNA NAWAZ: For the 10 Democrats on stage last night, an existential question: How far 5 00:00:20,100 --> 00:00:22,200 left to go? 6 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,700 More moderate candidates like former Maryland Congressman John Delaney set their sights 7 00:00:25,700 --> 00:00:27,666 on the party's left flank. 8 00:00:27,666 --> 00:00:29,800 JOHN DELANEY (D), Presidential Candidate: So, I think Democrats win when we run on real 9 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:34,500 solutions, not impossible promises, when we run on things that are workable, not fairy 10 00:00:34,500 --> 00:00:37,033 tale economics. 11 00:00:37,033 --> 00:00:39,833 AMNA NAWAZ: From Senators Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts and Bernie Sanders of Vermont, 12 00:00:39,833 --> 00:00:43,366 the party's two liberal leaders standing center stage, a united front. 13 00:00:43,366 --> 00:00:45,833 SEN. 14 00:00:45,833 --> 00:00:47,966 ELIZABETH WARREN (D-MA), Presidential Candidate: You know, I don't understand why anybody goes 15 00:00:47,966 --> 00:00:50,666 to all the trouble of running for president of the United States just to talk about what 16 00:00:50,666 --> 00:00:52,933 we really can't do and shouldn't fight for. 17 00:00:52,933 --> 00:00:55,066 SEN. 18 00:00:55,066 --> 00:00:58,433 BERNIE SANDERS (I-VT), Presidential Candidate: I get a little bit tired of Democrats afraid 19 00:00:58,433 --> 00:01:00,566 of big ideas. 20 00:01:00,566 --> 00:01:03,466 AMNA NAWAZ: It's a divide that played out for nearly every issue, as Democrats debated 21 00:01:03,466 --> 00:01:05,900 the best way to defeat President Trump. 22 00:01:05,900 --> 00:01:07,833 South Bend Indiana Mayor Pete Buttigieg: 23 00:01:07,833 --> 00:01:10,000 PETE BUTTIGIEG (D), Presidential Candidate: Nominate me, and we will have a different 24 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:14,533 conversation with American voters about why the president of the United States thinks 25 00:01:14,533 --> 00:01:16,600 you're a sucker. 26 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,300 AMNA NAWAZ: On health care, the moderates, like Montana Governor Steve Bullock, in his 27 00:01:19,300 --> 00:01:24,166 first debate appearance, expressed doubts about the health care overhaul known as Medicare 28 00:01:24,166 --> 00:01:25,166 for all. 29 00:01:25,166 --> 00:01:27,300 GOV. 30 00:01:27,300 --> 00:01:28,800 STEVE BULLOCK (D-MT), Presidential Candidate: At the end of the day, I'm not going to support 31 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:30,233 any plan that rips away quality health care from individuals. 32 00:01:30,233 --> 00:01:32,500 This is an example of wish list economics. 33 00:01:32,500 --> 00:01:36,633 It used to be just Republicans who wanted to repeal and replace. 34 00:01:36,633 --> 00:01:38,533 Now many Democrats do as well. 35 00:01:38,533 --> 00:01:39,733 SEN. 36 00:01:39,733 --> 00:01:40,566 ELIZABETH WARREN: Let's be clear about this. 37 00:01:40,566 --> 00:01:42,100 We are the Democrats. 38 00:01:42,100 --> 00:01:44,966 We are not about trying to take away health care from anyone. 39 00:01:44,966 --> 00:01:47,200 That's what the Republicans are trying to do. 40 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:48,200 (CHEERING AND APPLAUSE) 41 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,166 SEN. 42 00:01:50,166 --> 00:01:53,500 ELIZABETH WARREN: And we should stop using Republican talking points in order to talk 43 00:01:53,500 --> 00:01:56,400 with each other about how to best provide that health care. 44 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,566 (CHEERING AND APPLAUSE) 45 00:01:58,566 --> 00:02:01,600 AMNA NAWAZ: Sanders also defended his signature proposal against attacks from Ohio Congressman 46 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,466 Tim Ryan and former Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper. 47 00:02:04,466 --> 00:02:06,466 SEN. 48 00:02:06,466 --> 00:02:09,866 BERNIE SANDERS: For senior citizens, it will finally include dental care, hearing aids 49 00:02:09,866 --> 00:02:10,866 and eyeglasses. 50 00:02:10,866 --> 00:02:12,966 REP. 51 00:02:12,966 --> 00:02:13,500 TIM RYAN (D-OH), Presidential Candidate: But you don't know that -- you don't know that, 52 00:02:13,500 --> 00:02:14,033 Bernie. 53 00:02:14,033 --> 00:02:15,533 SEN. 54 00:02:15,533 --> 00:02:17,200 BERNIE SANDERS: Second of all -- second of all... 55 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:17,733 JAKE TAPPER, Moderator: I will come to you in a second, Congressman. 56 00:02:17,733 --> 00:02:18,666 SEN. 57 00:02:18,666 --> 00:02:19,466 BERNIE SANDERS: I do know it. 58 00:02:19,466 --> 00:02:20,266 I wrote the damn bill. 59 00:02:20,266 --> 00:02:22,333 (CHEERING AND APPLAUSE) 60 00:02:22,333 --> 00:02:23,833 JOHN HICKENLOOPER (D), Presidential Candidate: Think if we're going to force Americans to 61 00:02:23,833 --> 00:02:24,633 make these radical changes, they're not going to go along. 62 00:02:24,633 --> 00:02:25,166 Throw your hands up. 63 00:02:25,166 --> 00:02:26,100 SEN. 64 00:02:26,100 --> 00:02:26,766 BERNIE SANDERS: All right. 65 00:02:26,766 --> 00:02:27,566 (LAUGHTER) 66 00:02:27,566 --> 00:02:28,800 (CHEERING AND APPLAUSE) 67 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:29,966 JOHN HICKENLOOPER: Oh-ho, I can do it. 68 00:02:29,966 --> 00:02:32,033 But you haven't implemented the plans. 69 00:02:32,033 --> 00:02:34,033 AMNA NAWAZ: Similar to the last debate, the debate around immigration centered on a plan 70 00:02:34,033 --> 00:02:37,566 to make crossing the U.S. border a civil offense, instead of criminal. 71 00:02:37,566 --> 00:02:39,566 Former Texas Congressman Beto O'Rourke: 72 00:02:39,566 --> 00:02:42,133 BETO O'ROURKE (D), Presidential Candidate: And I expect that people who come here follow 73 00:02:42,133 --> 00:02:45,300 our laws, and we reserve the right to criminally prosecute them 74 00:02:45,300 --> 00:02:47,433 SEN. 75 00:02:47,433 --> 00:02:51,300 ELIZABETH WARREN: The problem is that, right now, the criminalization statute is what gives 76 00:02:52,900 --> 00:02:55,833 Donald Trump the ability to take children away from their parents. 77 00:02:55,833 --> 00:02:59,166 We must be a country that every day lives our values. 78 00:02:59,166 --> 00:03:04,133 AMNA NAWAZ: In downtown Detroit, a city that's over 80 percent black, night one of the debate 79 00:03:05,300 --> 00:03:07,366 featured an all-white field of candidates. 80 00:03:07,366 --> 00:03:12,000 Minnesota Senator Amy Klobuchar responded to President Trump's recent attacks on Congressman 81 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:13,400 Elijah Cummings and Baltimore. 82 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,500 SEN. 83 00:03:15,500 --> 00:03:17,633 AMY KLOBUCHAR (D-MN), Presidential Candidate: Little kids literally woke up this weekend, 84 00:03:17,633 --> 00:03:21,666 turned on the TV and saw their president calling their city, the town of Baltimore, nothing 85 00:03:22,533 --> 00:03:24,033 more than a home for rats. 86 00:03:24,033 --> 00:03:26,900 And I can tell you, as your president, that will stop. 87 00:03:26,900 --> 00:03:31,900 AMNA NAWAZ: While author and spiritual adviser Marianne Williamson focused on the water conditions 88 00:03:32,766 --> 00:03:34,500 in nearby Flint, Michigan. 89 00:03:34,500 --> 00:03:35,533 MARIANNE WILLIAMSON (D), Presidential Candidate: It's bigger than Flint. 90 00:03:35,533 --> 00:03:36,766 It's all over this country. 91 00:03:36,766 --> 00:03:38,366 It's particularly people of color. 92 00:03:38,366 --> 00:03:40,966 It's particularly people who do not have the money to fight back. 93 00:03:40,966 --> 00:03:44,400 And if the Democrats don't start saying it, then why would those people feel that they're 94 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,433 there for us? 95 00:03:46,433 --> 00:03:48,833 And if those people don't feel it, they won't vote for us, and Donald Trump will win. 96 00:03:48,833 --> 00:03:50,866 (CHEERING AND APPLAUSE) 97 00:03:50,866 --> 00:03:53,966 AMNA NAWAZ: Expect race to come up again tonight, as 10 more candidates prepare to take the 98 00:03:53,966 --> 00:03:58,933 stage, among them, former Vice President Joe Biden and California Senator Kamala Harris, 99 00:04:00,766 --> 00:04:03,333 who clashed over desegregating schools during the first debate last month. 100 00:04:03,333 --> 00:04:05,466 SEN. 101 00:04:05,466 --> 00:04:08,000 KAMALA HARRIS (D-CA), Presidential Candidate: Do you agree today -- do you agree today that 102 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,300 you were wrong to oppose busing in America then? 103 00:04:11,300 --> 00:04:13,266 Do you agree? 104 00:04:13,266 --> 00:04:15,300 JOSEPH BIDEN (D), Presidential Candidate: No, I didn't oppose busing in America. 105 00:04:15,300 --> 00:04:18,766 AMNA NAWAZ: Biden said last week he was -- quote - - "overly polite" last time. 106 00:04:18,766 --> 00:04:23,200 Heading into tonight, Harris signaled she will once again set her sights on the candidate 107 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:24,200 leading in the polls. 108 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,266 SEN. 109 00:04:26,266 --> 00:04:30,200 KAMALA HARRIS: My mother raised me to be polite, and I intend to be polite. 110 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,166 I will express differences and articulate them. 111 00:04:32,166 --> 00:04:34,700 AMNA NAWAZ: They will share the stage with eight other candidates hoping for their own 112 00:04:34,700 --> 00:04:38,766 standout moments, before the polling and fund-raising thresholds double for the next round of debates 113 00:04:39,366 --> 00:04:41,633 in September. 114 00:04:41,633 --> 00:04:46,366 For analysis of last night's debate and what to look for tonight, I'm joined by Stuart 115 00:04:46,366 --> 00:04:51,366 Rothenberg, senior editor of Inside Elections, Amy Walter of The Cook Political Report and 116 00:04:53,766 --> 00:04:56,433 host of "Politics With Amy Walter" on WNYC Radio, and Karine Jean-Pierre, a senior adviser 117 00:04:57,700 --> 00:04:59,700 to MoveOn.org. 118 00:04:59,700 --> 00:05:00,900 Welcome to you all. 119 00:05:00,900 --> 00:05:01,866 Let's jump right in. 120 00:05:01,866 --> 00:05:03,966 Stu, let me start with you. 121 00:05:03,966 --> 00:05:07,933 Last night, one of the central themes was all about the moderate vs. progressive candidates. 122 00:05:07,933 --> 00:05:10,200 Did one side do better than other at making the case? 123 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,633 STUART ROTHENBERG, Inside Elections: No, I think both sides did very well. 124 00:05:12,633 --> 00:05:14,100 And you're right. 125 00:05:14,100 --> 00:05:16,233 That was the context. 126 00:05:16,233 --> 00:05:20,133 It was created by the question from CNN folks, but also it's an honest division within the 127 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,600 party. 128 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:26,300 And you saw the two obvious progressives, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, energize, 129 00:05:27,666 --> 00:05:30,333 articulate, you know, about their positions. 130 00:05:30,333 --> 00:05:34,200 And you saw the pragmatists, who I think did a really good job, a number of them, whether 131 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:39,200 it was Delaney or Ryan or whatever, trying to poke holes in their arguments. 132 00:05:40,300 --> 00:05:42,366 So I think both sides did quite well. 133 00:05:42,366 --> 00:05:45,266 AMNA NAWAZ: Karine, you noted there from Stu some of the lower polling candidates were 134 00:05:45,266 --> 00:05:49,933 taking aim frequently at Senator Warren, at Senator Sanders. 135 00:05:49,933 --> 00:05:52,533 Medicare for all was one of the big topics last night. 136 00:05:52,533 --> 00:05:54,433 How do you think they did in defending their turf? 137 00:05:54,433 --> 00:05:57,233 KARINE JEAN-PIERRE, Democratic Strategist: I think they did a pretty good job. 138 00:05:57,233 --> 00:06:02,233 Look, last night -- what I saw last night was a debate about policies and just substantive 139 00:06:03,333 --> 00:06:04,433 issues, which is incredibly important. 140 00:06:04,433 --> 00:06:06,466 It's part of the process. 141 00:06:06,466 --> 00:06:10,866 It's part of having a primary, and I think they did well for themselves. 142 00:06:12,333 --> 00:06:14,700 And I think now we move on to tonight and see how that goes. 143 00:06:14,700 --> 00:06:19,700 AMNA NAWAZ: Amy, let's take a look at how people are deciding who it is they actually 144 00:06:20,433 --> 00:06:21,933 want to vote for. 145 00:06:21,933 --> 00:06:23,400 I want to point you to something that always stands out to me. 146 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,133 This is from our "PBS NewsHour"/NPR/Marist poll. 147 00:06:26,133 --> 00:06:31,133 When you ask likely Democratic voters, have they made up their minds, 82 percent say, 148 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:34,466 no, they have not. 149 00:06:34,466 --> 00:06:36,566 That is a lot of people. 150 00:06:36,566 --> 00:06:39,033 So if you're a Democratic voter out there watching the debates, are you -- what are 151 00:06:39,033 --> 00:06:41,200 you gleaning from this kind of format right now? 152 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,366 AMY WALTER, The Cook Political Report: Well, what you're really looking for right now, 153 00:06:44,366 --> 00:06:49,366 Amna, I think, when I talk to voters, what they're telling me is, they are hoping that 154 00:06:51,366 --> 00:06:53,366 this field gets narrowed, because there are just too many choices for them. 155 00:06:53,366 --> 00:06:58,066 They just get kind of intimidated by the number that are on the stage. 156 00:06:58,066 --> 00:07:03,066 So I think, even though we saw some new names in the mix -- Stu mentioned John Delaney and 157 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,333 Steve Bullock, who it was literally his first time on the stage, the governor of Montana 158 00:07:07,333 --> 00:07:12,333 - - I think this race really still is consolidating around four, maybe five candidates. 159 00:07:14,366 --> 00:07:17,766 And as those candidates are getting challenged, or maybe challenging another candidate, you 160 00:07:19,700 --> 00:07:22,633 will see their numbers rise and follow, as other people challenge them. 161 00:07:22,633 --> 00:07:26,933 But I don't think we're going to see one of these candidates that right now is polling 162 00:07:26,933 --> 00:07:30,800 in the low 1's or 2's suddenly break out from the top. 163 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:35,800 And just overall this fundamental debate about pragmatism and one that's more structural 164 00:07:37,666 --> 00:07:42,233 reform, sitting here in Michigan right now, this is a debate that happened in 2018 in 165 00:07:44,166 --> 00:07:47,500 the governor's race, and it happened in 2016 in the primary between Hillary Clinton and 166 00:07:48,266 --> 00:07:49,700 Bernie Sanders. 167 00:07:49,700 --> 00:07:52,266 So folks in the state are pretty used to that conversation. 168 00:07:52,266 --> 00:07:57,000 In 2016, it was the more progressive candidate, Bernie Sanders, who won the primary. 169 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:02,000 In 2018, it was the more pragmatic, who's now the governor, Gretchen Whitmer, who won 170 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:04,633 her primary. 171 00:08:04,633 --> 00:08:06,300 AMNA NAWAZ: Karine, I got to ask you, when it comes to the issues, they covered a lot 172 00:08:06,300 --> 00:08:09,633 of ground last night, climate change, health care, immigration. 173 00:08:09,633 --> 00:08:14,466 Race came up as well, which is obviously going to be huge in the 2020 election and how we 174 00:08:14,466 --> 00:08:16,533 talk about it. 175 00:08:16,533 --> 00:08:18,833 It's unfortunate it was an all-white panel just based on the random draw of the way the 176 00:08:18,833 --> 00:08:20,800 candidates ended up. 177 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,666 But how do you think they did at developing an overall message of how they're going to 178 00:08:23,666 --> 00:08:26,366 make the Democratic case to voters of color? 179 00:08:26,366 --> 00:08:29,600 KARINE JEAN-PIERRE: Yes, it was very unfortunate, Amna. 180 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:31,666 We have a very diverse field. 181 00:08:31,666 --> 00:08:36,400 And, like you mentioned, it was a pretty much all-white -- all white candidates on that 182 00:08:37,333 --> 00:08:38,333 stage. 183 00:08:38,333 --> 00:08:40,333 And, tonight, that will change. 184 00:08:40,333 --> 00:08:43,800 But I am -- I'm actually really glad that they -- the question of race was asked to 185 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:45,133 the white candidates. 186 00:08:45,133 --> 00:08:47,633 And they took an opportunity to answer that. 187 00:08:47,633 --> 00:08:52,300 What we saw the past three weeks with Donald Trump and the way he's brought up race and 188 00:08:52,300 --> 00:08:57,000 how he's using it for his 2020 reelection is quite concerning. 189 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,133 And so it's an important conversation to have. 190 00:08:59,133 --> 00:09:01,300 We need to bring it up. 191 00:09:01,300 --> 00:09:04,700 And you have people of color living in this country that is very worried as to where this 192 00:09:04,700 --> 00:09:06,766 country is going. 193 00:09:06,766 --> 00:09:11,633 And I think it's a good -- it was great to see these candidates on this stage talk about 194 00:09:12,233 --> 00:09:13,500 it last night. 195 00:09:13,500 --> 00:09:15,566 AMNA NAWAZ: Stu, Karine mentioned Donald Trump. 196 00:09:15,566 --> 00:09:19,900 I want to point you to another recent showing from our poll, that PBS/NPR/Marist poll. 197 00:09:21,833 --> 00:09:25,533 When it looks at what Democratic voters are looking for in their candidate, do they want 198 00:09:27,533 --> 00:09:29,566 someone who actually aligns with their values, or do they want someone who can actually beat 199 00:09:29,566 --> 00:09:32,600 Donald, the majority still say they're looking for someone who can beat Donald Trump. 200 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,633 So did you see that messaging? 201 00:09:34,633 --> 00:09:39,133 STU ROTHENBERG: I think president didn't get as much attention last night as I expected 202 00:09:40,333 --> 00:09:42,100 he would get or that he will get tonight. 203 00:09:42,100 --> 00:09:44,800 But face it, Amna, voters want it all. 204 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:48,300 They want somebody who can beat Donald Trump, and they want somebody who reflects their 205 00:09:48,300 --> 00:09:50,800 values and priorities and views. 206 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:55,033 And they're going to -- they're going to hold off deciding until much later in the year. 207 00:09:55,033 --> 00:10:00,033 I know we expect, we think that we have already had debates and there have been town halls 208 00:10:00,633 --> 00:10:02,733 and interviews. 209 00:10:02,733 --> 00:10:05,633 But we have got a long way to go before people actually make choices of who they're going 210 00:10:05,633 --> 00:10:07,666 to support and who they aren't. 211 00:10:07,666 --> 00:10:10,000 AMNA NAWAZ: Amy, it's worth noting the Trump campaign put out a response after the debate 212 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,000 last night. 213 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,533 They said, it's the same radical Democrats, same big government socialist message. 214 00:10:14,533 --> 00:10:17,133 This issue of socialism comes up again and again. 215 00:10:17,133 --> 00:10:19,866 Pete Buttigieg, during the debate, actually kind of foreshadowed that. 216 00:10:19,866 --> 00:10:22,733 He said, look, whatever we do, they're going to call us socialists, so we should just do 217 00:10:22,733 --> 00:10:24,600 what we believe in and move forward. 218 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,166 Is there some truth for that to the Democrats right now? 219 00:10:27,166 --> 00:10:31,533 AMY WALTER: Well, we know what the playbook is going to be for Donald Trump and for Republicans. 220 00:10:33,466 --> 00:10:36,600 They have been using the socialist label now, really, since the 2018 campaign. 221 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,366 It wasn't particularly effective in that race. 222 00:10:39,366 --> 00:10:43,766 But, again, that was a midterm election, where it was a referendum on the president. 223 00:10:43,766 --> 00:10:48,733 This is going to be a choice between the president and another Democratic candidate. 224 00:10:50,766 --> 00:10:53,900 But, look, I think that, when we're asking whether or not the candidate who appeals to 225 00:10:56,733 --> 00:11:01,400 the more left or the more center is going to win, we miss another fundamental question, 226 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:05,133 which is, who's the candidate that has the vision, the message, who's able to connect, 227 00:11:05,133 --> 00:11:07,800 who has a narrative and a story? 228 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:12,800 And so this is where I think some of the moderates didn't do -- they were not as effective last 229 00:11:14,833 --> 00:11:19,333 night, in that they were able to sort of try and poke holes in what the progressive candidates 230 00:11:19,333 --> 00:11:23,300 were saying about a Medicare for all system, mentioning how difficult it was going to be 231 00:11:23,300 --> 00:11:28,300 to pass, how unworkable it was, but they're not offering, I didn't see last night, a real 232 00:11:30,633 --> 00:11:34,466 sort of vision or optimistic message to voters who are looking, as Stu says, for everything, 233 00:11:38,633 --> 00:11:43,633 but also who want to beat Donald Trump and see a candidate who has a realistic path to 234 00:11:44,866 --> 00:11:46,966 getting there. 235 00:11:46,966 --> 00:11:48,233 AMNA NAWAZ: So, Amy, very briefly -- I feel like one of the debate moderator -- 30 seconds 236 00:11:48,233 --> 00:11:49,233 or less, if you can. 237 00:11:49,233 --> 00:11:51,200 (LAUGHTER) 238 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,066 AMNA NAWAZ: What are you looking for tonight, when 10 more candidates take the stage? 239 00:11:53,066 --> 00:11:55,166 AMY WALTER: Yes. 240 00:11:55,166 --> 00:11:59,033 Well, Joe Biden now becomes the face and the voice of that moderate, in a way that the 241 00:12:01,100 --> 00:12:04,600 candidates last night -- yes, they tried to play that role, but the real role is going 242 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:09,600 to be played by Joe Biden, and how he holds up under what I think is going to be pretty 243 00:12:11,666 --> 00:12:14,900 aggressive, I don't know I would use the word attack, but they're definitely going to aggressively 244 00:12:15,766 --> 00:12:18,100 challenge Joe Biden tonight. 245 00:12:18,100 --> 00:12:19,633 Can he hold up? 246 00:12:19,633 --> 00:12:21,733 He didn't do particularly well in the first debate. 247 00:12:21,733 --> 00:12:22,733 AMNA NAWAZ: Karine, what about you? 248 00:12:22,733 --> 00:12:24,800 What are you looking for? 249 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:28,233 KARINE JEAN-PIERRE: What I want to see, which is -- we didn't see last night, was, I really 250 00:12:28,233 --> 00:12:31,233 want to see the contrasts from -- with Donald Trump. 251 00:12:31,233 --> 00:12:33,100 I mean, we talked about health care. 252 00:12:33,100 --> 00:12:36,466 More than 35 minutes was on Medicare for all, which is great. 253 00:12:36,466 --> 00:12:41,466 But nobody mentioned that, right now, the Trump administration is in the courts trying 254 00:12:42,900 --> 00:12:44,933 to take away health care from tens of millions of people. 255 00:12:44,933 --> 00:12:48,733 Like, that type of thing is what I want to hear tonight from these candidates. 256 00:12:48,733 --> 00:12:50,000 What's the contrast? 257 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:51,566 How are we going to beat Donald Trump? 258 00:12:51,566 --> 00:12:53,100 And I agree with Amy. 259 00:12:53,100 --> 00:12:56,766 I think Biden is going to get a lot of the attention. 260 00:12:56,766 --> 00:13:01,000 People are going to be focusing on him tonight, especially after the last debate. 261 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:05,466 But I also want to say that I don't think we're going to see much change after -- after 262 00:13:05,466 --> 00:13:08,000 tonight. 263 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,466 I think the third debate, the one in September in Houston, where the field will whittle down 264 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,066 a bit, we won't -- I don't think we will have more than one debate -- I think that's where 265 00:13:16,066 --> 00:13:20,933 we will see some movement with numbers and how people are standing in this race. 266 00:13:20,933 --> 00:13:22,800 AMNA NAWAZ: Stu, I will give you the last word here. 267 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:24,033 What are you looking for? 268 00:13:24,033 --> 00:13:24,800 STU ROTHENBERG: Biden, Biden, Biden, and Biden. 269 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:26,200 (LAUGHTER) 270 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:28,633 STU ROTHENBERG: He's the leading progressive pragmatist. 271 00:13:28,633 --> 00:13:33,100 He is the -- if he falters, which is certainly possible, it will create an opening for somebody 272 00:13:35,066 --> 00:13:37,733 else to take that place, because this is a party that's split, that wants to win, but 273 00:13:37,733 --> 00:13:39,833 wants to win with a certain agenda. 274 00:13:39,833 --> 00:13:41,600 AMNA NAWAZ: Stu Rothenberg, Karine Jean-Pierre, and Amy Walter, thanks to you all. 275 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:42,600 STU ROTHENBERG: Sure. 276 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:43,500 AMY WALTER: You're welcome.