WEBVTT 00:02.433 --> 00:05.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: Almost half of the candidates seeking the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination 00:06.600 --> 00:08.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% faced off in Tuesday night's debate in Detroit. 00:08.533 --> 00:13.533 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% As Amna Nawaz reports, the ideological rift in the crowded field was on full display. 00:15.433 --> 00:18.833 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% AMNA NAWAZ: For the 10 Democrats on stage last night, an existential question: How far 00:20.100 --> 00:22.200 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% left to go? 00:22.200 --> 00:25.700 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% More moderate candidates like former Maryland Congressman John Delaney set their sights 00:25.700 --> 00:27.666 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% on the party's left flank. 00:27.666 --> 00:29.800 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% JOHN DELANEY (D), Presidential Candidate: So, I think Democrats win when we run on real 00:29.800 --> 00:34.500 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% solutions, not impossible promises, when we run on things that are workable, not fairy 00:34.500 --> 00:37.033 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% tale economics. 00:37.033 --> 00:39.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% AMNA NAWAZ: From Senators Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts and Bernie Sanders of Vermont, 00:39.833 --> 00:43.366 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% the party's two liberal leaders standing center stage, a united front. 00:43.366 --> 00:45.833 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% SEN. 00:45.833 --> 00:47.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ELIZABETH WARREN (D-MA), Presidential Candidate: You know, I don't understand why anybody goes 00:47.966 --> 00:50.666 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% to all the trouble of running for president of the United States just to talk about what 00:50.666 --> 00:52.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% we really can't do and shouldn't fight for. 00:52.933 --> 00:55.066 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% SEN. 00:55.066 --> 00:58.433 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% BERNIE SANDERS (I-VT), Presidential Candidate: I get a little bit tired of Democrats afraid 00:58.433 --> 01:00.566 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% of big ideas. 01:00.566 --> 01:03.466 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% AMNA NAWAZ: It's a divide that played out for nearly every issue, as Democrats debated 01:03.466 --> 01:05.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% the best way to defeat President Trump. 01:05.900 --> 01:07.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% South Bend Indiana Mayor Pete Buttigieg: 01:07.833 --> 01:10.000 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% PETE BUTTIGIEG (D), Presidential Candidate: Nominate me, and we will have a different 01:10.000 --> 01:14.533 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% conversation with American voters about why the president of the United States thinks 01:14.533 --> 01:16.600 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% you're a sucker. 01:16.600 --> 01:19.300 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% AMNA NAWAZ: On health care, the moderates, like Montana Governor Steve Bullock, in his 01:19.300 --> 01:24.166 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% first debate appearance, expressed doubts about the health care overhaul known as Medicare 01:24.166 --> 01:25.166 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% for all. 01:25.166 --> 01:27.300 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% GOV. 01:27.300 --> 01:28.800 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% STEVE BULLOCK (D-MT), Presidential Candidate: At the end of the day, I'm not going to support 01:28.800 --> 01:30.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% any plan that rips away quality health care from individuals. 01:30.233 --> 01:32.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% This is an example of wish list economics. 01:32.500 --> 01:36.633 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% It used to be just Republicans who wanted to repeal and replace. 01:36.633 --> 01:38.533 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Now many Democrats do as well. 01:38.533 --> 01:39.733 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% SEN. 01:39.733 --> 01:40.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% ELIZABETH WARREN: Let's be clear about this. 01:40.566 --> 01:42.100 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% We are the Democrats. 01:42.100 --> 01:44.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% We are not about trying to take away health care from anyone. 01:44.966 --> 01:47.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% That's what the Republicans are trying to do. 01:47.200 --> 01:48.200 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% (CHEERING AND APPLAUSE) 01:48.200 --> 01:50.166 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% SEN. 01:50.166 --> 01:53.500 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% ELIZABETH WARREN: And we should stop using Republican talking points in order to talk 01:53.500 --> 01:56.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% with each other about how to best provide that health care. 01:56.400 --> 01:58.566 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% (CHEERING AND APPLAUSE) 01:58.566 --> 02:01.600 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% AMNA NAWAZ: Sanders also defended his signature proposal against attacks from Ohio Congressman 02:01.600 --> 02:04.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Tim Ryan and former Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper. 02:04.466 --> 02:06.466 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% SEN. 02:06.466 --> 02:09.866 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% BERNIE SANDERS: For senior citizens, it will finally include dental care, hearing aids 02:09.866 --> 02:10.866 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% and eyeglasses. 02:10.866 --> 02:12.966 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% REP. 02:12.966 --> 02:13.500 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% TIM RYAN (D-OH), Presidential Candidate: But you don't know that -- you don't know that, 02:13.500 --> 02:14.033 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% Bernie. 02:14.033 --> 02:15.533 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% SEN. 02:15.533 --> 02:17.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% BERNIE SANDERS: Second of all -- second of all... 02:17.200 --> 02:17.733 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% JAKE TAPPER, Moderator: I will come to you in a second, Congressman. 02:17.733 --> 02:18.666 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% SEN. 02:18.666 --> 02:19.466 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% BERNIE SANDERS: I do know it. 02:19.466 --> 02:20.266 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% I wrote the damn bill. 02:20.266 --> 02:22.333 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% (CHEERING AND APPLAUSE) 02:22.333 --> 02:23.833 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% JOHN HICKENLOOPER (D), Presidential Candidate: Think if we're going to force Americans to 02:23.833 --> 02:24.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% make these radical changes, they're not going to go along. 02:24.633 --> 02:25.166 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% Throw your hands up. 02:25.166 --> 02:26.100 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% SEN. 02:26.100 --> 02:26.766 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% BERNIE SANDERS: All right. 02:26.766 --> 02:27.566 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% (LAUGHTER) 02:27.566 --> 02:28.800 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% (CHEERING AND APPLAUSE) 02:28.800 --> 02:29.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% JOHN HICKENLOOPER: Oh-ho, I can do it. 02:29.966 --> 02:32.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% But you haven't implemented the plans. 02:32.033 --> 02:34.033 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% AMNA NAWAZ: Similar to the last debate, the debate around immigration centered on a plan 02:34.033 --> 02:37.566 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% to make crossing the U.S. border a civil offense, instead of criminal. 02:37.566 --> 02:39.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Former Texas Congressman Beto O'Rourke: 02:39.566 --> 02:42.133 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% BETO O'ROURKE (D), Presidential Candidate: And I expect that people who come here follow 02:42.133 --> 02:45.300 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% our laws, and we reserve the right to criminally prosecute them 02:45.300 --> 02:47.433 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% SEN. 02:47.433 --> 02:51.300 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% ELIZABETH WARREN: The problem is that, right now, the criminalization statute is what gives 02:52.900 --> 02:55.833 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% Donald Trump the ability to take children away from their parents. 02:55.833 --> 02:59.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% We must be a country that every day lives our values. 02:59.166 --> 03:04.133 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% AMNA NAWAZ: In downtown Detroit, a city that's over 80 percent black, night one of the debate 03:05.300 --> 03:07.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% featured an all-white field of candidates. 03:07.366 --> 03:12.000 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Minnesota Senator Amy Klobuchar responded to President Trump's recent attacks on Congressman 03:12.000 --> 03:13.400 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Elijah Cummings and Baltimore. 03:13.400 --> 03:15.500 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% SEN. 03:15.500 --> 03:17.633 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% AMY KLOBUCHAR (D-MN), Presidential Candidate: Little kids literally woke up this weekend, 03:17.633 --> 03:21.666 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% turned on the TV and saw their president calling their city, the town of Baltimore, nothing 03:22.533 --> 03:24.033 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% more than a home for rats. 03:24.033 --> 03:26.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And I can tell you, as your president, that will stop. 03:26.900 --> 03:31.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% AMNA NAWAZ: While author and spiritual adviser Marianne Williamson focused on the water conditions 03:32.766 --> 03:34.500 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% in nearby Flint, Michigan. 03:34.500 --> 03:35.533 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% MARIANNE WILLIAMSON (D), Presidential Candidate: It's bigger than Flint. 03:35.533 --> 03:36.766 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% It's all over this country. 03:36.766 --> 03:38.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% It's particularly people of color. 03:38.366 --> 03:40.966 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% It's particularly people who do not have the money to fight back. 03:40.966 --> 03:44.400 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% And if the Democrats don't start saying it, then why would those people feel that they're 03:44.400 --> 03:46.433 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% there for us? 03:46.433 --> 03:48.833 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% And if those people don't feel it, they won't vote for us, and Donald Trump will win. 03:48.833 --> 03:50.866 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% (CHEERING AND APPLAUSE) 03:50.866 --> 03:53.966 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% AMNA NAWAZ: Expect race to come up again tonight, as 10 more candidates prepare to take the 03:53.966 --> 03:58.933 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% stage, among them, former Vice President Joe Biden and California Senator Kamala Harris, 04:00.766 --> 04:03.333 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% who clashed over desegregating schools during the first debate last month. 04:03.333 --> 04:05.466 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% SEN. 04:05.466 --> 04:08.000 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% KAMALA HARRIS (D-CA), Presidential Candidate: Do you agree today -- do you agree today that 04:08.000 --> 04:11.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% you were wrong to oppose busing in America then? 04:11.300 --> 04:13.266 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% Do you agree? 04:13.266 --> 04:15.300 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% JOSEPH BIDEN (D), Presidential Candidate: No, I didn't oppose busing in America. 04:15.300 --> 04:18.766 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% AMNA NAWAZ: Biden said last week he was -- quote - - "overly polite" last time. 04:18.766 --> 04:23.200 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Heading into tonight, Harris signaled she will once again set her sights on the candidate 04:23.200 --> 04:24.200 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% leading in the polls. 04:24.200 --> 04:26.266 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% SEN. 04:26.266 --> 04:30.200 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% KAMALA HARRIS: My mother raised me to be polite, and I intend to be polite. 04:30.200 --> 04:32.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I will express differences and articulate them. 04:32.166 --> 04:34.700 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% AMNA NAWAZ: They will share the stage with eight other candidates hoping for their own 04:34.700 --> 04:38.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% standout moments, before the polling and fund-raising thresholds double for the next round of debates 04:39.366 --> 04:41.633 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% in September. 04:41.633 --> 04:46.366 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% For analysis of last night's debate and what to look for tonight, I'm joined by Stuart 04:46.366 --> 04:51.366 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Rothenberg, senior editor of Inside Elections, Amy Walter of The Cook Political Report and 04:53.766 --> 04:56.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% host of "Politics With Amy Walter" on WNYC Radio, and Karine Jean-Pierre, a senior adviser 04:57.700 --> 04:59.700 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% to MoveOn.org. 04:59.700 --> 05:00.900 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% Welcome to you all. 05:00.900 --> 05:01.866 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% Let's jump right in. 05:01.866 --> 05:03.966 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Stu, let me start with you. 05:03.966 --> 05:07.933 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% Last night, one of the central themes was all about the moderate vs. progressive candidates. 05:07.933 --> 05:10.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Did one side do better than other at making the case? 05:10.200 --> 05:12.633 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% STUART ROTHENBERG, Inside Elections: No, I think both sides did very well. 05:12.633 --> 05:14.100 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% And you're right. 05:14.100 --> 05:16.233 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% That was the context. 05:16.233 --> 05:20.133 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% It was created by the question from CNN folks, but also it's an honest division within the 05:20.600 --> 05:22.600 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% party. 05:22.600 --> 05:26.300 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% And you saw the two obvious progressives, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, energize, 05:27.666 --> 05:30.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% articulate, you know, about their positions. 05:30.333 --> 05:34.200 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% And you saw the pragmatists, who I think did a really good job, a number of them, whether 05:34.200 --> 05:39.200 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% it was Delaney or Ryan or whatever, trying to poke holes in their arguments. 05:40.300 --> 05:42.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So I think both sides did quite well. 05:42.366 --> 05:45.266 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% AMNA NAWAZ: Karine, you noted there from Stu some of the lower polling candidates were 05:45.266 --> 05:49.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% taking aim frequently at Senator Warren, at Senator Sanders. 05:49.933 --> 05:52.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Medicare for all was one of the big topics last night. 05:52.533 --> 05:54.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% How do you think they did in defending their turf? 05:54.433 --> 05:57.233 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% KARINE JEAN-PIERRE, Democratic Strategist: I think they did a pretty good job. 05:57.233 --> 06:02.233 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Look, last night -- what I saw last night was a debate about policies and just substantive 06:03.333 --> 06:04.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% issues, which is incredibly important. 06:04.433 --> 06:06.466 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% It's part of the process. 06:06.466 --> 06:10.866 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% It's part of having a primary, and I think they did well for themselves. 06:12.333 --> 06:14.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And I think now we move on to tonight and see how that goes. 06:14.700 --> 06:19.700 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% AMNA NAWAZ: Amy, let's take a look at how people are deciding who it is they actually 06:20.433 --> 06:21.933 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% want to vote for. 06:21.933 --> 06:23.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I want to point you to something that always stands out to me. 06:23.400 --> 06:26.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% This is from our "PBS NewsHour"/NPR/Marist poll. 06:26.133 --> 06:31.133 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% When you ask likely Democratic voters, have they made up their minds, 82 percent say, 06:32.800 --> 06:34.466 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% no, they have not. 06:34.466 --> 06:36.566 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% That is a lot of people. 06:36.566 --> 06:39.033 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% So if you're a Democratic voter out there watching the debates, are you -- what are 06:39.033 --> 06:41.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% you gleaning from this kind of format right now? 06:41.200 --> 06:44.366 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% AMY WALTER, The Cook Political Report: Well, what you're really looking for right now, 06:44.366 --> 06:49.366 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Amna, I think, when I talk to voters, what they're telling me is, they are hoping that 06:51.366 --> 06:53.366 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% this field gets narrowed, because there are just too many choices for them. 06:53.366 --> 06:58.066 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% They just get kind of intimidated by the number that are on the stage. 06:58.066 --> 07:03.066 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% So I think, even though we saw some new names in the mix -- Stu mentioned John Delaney and 07:05.000 --> 07:07.333 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Steve Bullock, who it was literally his first time on the stage, the governor of Montana 07:07.333 --> 07:12.333 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% - - I think this race really still is consolidating around four, maybe five candidates. 07:14.366 --> 07:17.766 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% And as those candidates are getting challenged, or maybe challenging another candidate, you 07:19.700 --> 07:22.633 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% will see their numbers rise and follow, as other people challenge them. 07:22.633 --> 07:26.933 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% But I don't think we're going to see one of these candidates that right now is polling 07:26.933 --> 07:30.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% in the low 1's or 2's suddenly break out from the top. 07:30.800 --> 07:35.800 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% And just overall this fundamental debate about pragmatism and one that's more structural 07:37.666 --> 07:42.233 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% reform, sitting here in Michigan right now, this is a debate that happened in 2018 in 07:44.166 --> 07:47.500 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% the governor's race, and it happened in 2016 in the primary between Hillary Clinton and 07:48.266 --> 07:49.700 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% Bernie Sanders. 07:49.700 --> 07:52.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So folks in the state are pretty used to that conversation. 07:52.266 --> 07:57.000 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% In 2016, it was the more progressive candidate, Bernie Sanders, who won the primary. 07:57.000 --> 08:02.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% In 2018, it was the more pragmatic, who's now the governor, Gretchen Whitmer, who won 08:02.600 --> 08:04.633 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% her primary. 08:04.633 --> 08:06.300 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% AMNA NAWAZ: Karine, I got to ask you, when it comes to the issues, they covered a lot 08:06.300 --> 08:09.633 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% of ground last night, climate change, health care, immigration. 08:09.633 --> 08:14.466 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Race came up as well, which is obviously going to be huge in the 2020 election and how we 08:14.466 --> 08:16.533 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% talk about it. 08:16.533 --> 08:18.833 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% It's unfortunate it was an all-white panel just based on the random draw of the way the 08:18.833 --> 08:20.800 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% candidates ended up. 08:20.800 --> 08:23.666 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% But how do you think they did at developing an overall message of how they're going to 08:23.666 --> 08:26.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% make the Democratic case to voters of color? 08:26.366 --> 08:29.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% KARINE JEAN-PIERRE: Yes, it was very unfortunate, Amna. 08:29.600 --> 08:31.666 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% We have a very diverse field. 08:31.666 --> 08:36.400 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% And, like you mentioned, it was a pretty much all-white -- all white candidates on that 08:37.333 --> 08:38.333 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% stage. 08:38.333 --> 08:40.333 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And, tonight, that will change. 08:40.333 --> 08:43.800 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% But I am -- I'm actually really glad that they -- the question of race was asked to 08:43.800 --> 08:45.133 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% the white candidates. 08:45.133 --> 08:47.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And they took an opportunity to answer that. 08:47.633 --> 08:52.300 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% What we saw the past three weeks with Donald Trump and the way he's brought up race and 08:52.300 --> 08:57.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% how he's using it for his 2020 reelection is quite concerning. 08:57.000 --> 08:59.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And so it's an important conversation to have. 08:59.133 --> 09:01.300 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% We need to bring it up. 09:01.300 --> 09:04.700 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% And you have people of color living in this country that is very worried as to where this 09:04.700 --> 09:06.766 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% country is going. 09:06.766 --> 09:11.633 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% And I think it's a good -- it was great to see these candidates on this stage talk about 09:12.233 --> 09:13.500 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% it last night. 09:13.500 --> 09:15.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% AMNA NAWAZ: Stu, Karine mentioned Donald Trump. 09:15.566 --> 09:19.900 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% I want to point you to another recent showing from our poll, that PBS/NPR/Marist poll. 09:21.833 --> 09:25.533 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% When it looks at what Democratic voters are looking for in their candidate, do they want 09:27.533 --> 09:29.566 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% someone who actually aligns with their values, or do they want someone who can actually beat 09:29.566 --> 09:32.600 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Donald, the majority still say they're looking for someone who can beat Donald Trump. 09:32.600 --> 09:34.633 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% So did you see that messaging? 09:34.633 --> 09:39.133 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% STU ROTHENBERG: I think president didn't get as much attention last night as I expected 09:40.333 --> 09:42.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% he would get or that he will get tonight. 09:42.100 --> 09:44.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% But face it, Amna, voters want it all. 09:44.800 --> 09:48.300 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% They want somebody who can beat Donald Trump, and they want somebody who reflects their 09:48.300 --> 09:50.800 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% values and priorities and views. 09:50.800 --> 09:55.033 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% And they're going to -- they're going to hold off deciding until much later in the year. 09:55.033 --> 10:00.033 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% I know we expect, we think that we have already had debates and there have been town halls 10:00.633 --> 10:02.733 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% and interviews. 10:02.733 --> 10:05.633 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% But we have got a long way to go before people actually make choices of who they're going 10:05.633 --> 10:07.666 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% to support and who they aren't. 10:07.666 --> 10:10.000 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% AMNA NAWAZ: Amy, it's worth noting the Trump campaign put out a response after the debate 10:10.000 --> 10:12.000 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% last night. 10:12.000 --> 10:14.533 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% They said, it's the same radical Democrats, same big government socialist message. 10:14.533 --> 10:17.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% This issue of socialism comes up again and again. 10:17.133 --> 10:19.866 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Pete Buttigieg, during the debate, actually kind of foreshadowed that. 10:19.866 --> 10:22.733 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% He said, look, whatever we do, they're going to call us socialists, so we should just do 10:22.733 --> 10:24.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% what we believe in and move forward. 10:24.600 --> 10:27.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Is there some truth for that to the Democrats right now? 10:27.166 --> 10:31.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% AMY WALTER: Well, we know what the playbook is going to be for Donald Trump and for Republicans. 10:33.466 --> 10:36.600 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% They have been using the socialist label now, really, since the 2018 campaign. 10:36.600 --> 10:39.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% It wasn't particularly effective in that race. 10:39.366 --> 10:43.766 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% But, again, that was a midterm election, where it was a referendum on the president. 10:43.766 --> 10:48.733 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% This is going to be a choice between the president and another Democratic candidate. 10:50.766 --> 10:53.900 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% But, look, I think that, when we're asking whether or not the candidate who appeals to 10:56.733 --> 11:01.400 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% the more left or the more center is going to win, we miss another fundamental question, 11:01.400 --> 11:05.133 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% which is, who's the candidate that has the vision, the message, who's able to connect, 11:05.133 --> 11:07.800 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% who has a narrative and a story? 11:07.800 --> 11:12.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% And so this is where I think some of the moderates didn't do -- they were not as effective last 11:14.833 --> 11:19.333 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% night, in that they were able to sort of try and poke holes in what the progressive candidates 11:19.333 --> 11:23.300 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% were saying about a Medicare for all system, mentioning how difficult it was going to be 11:23.300 --> 11:28.300 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% to pass, how unworkable it was, but they're not offering, I didn't see last night, a real 11:30.633 --> 11:34.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% sort of vision or optimistic message to voters who are looking, as Stu says, for everything, 11:38.633 --> 11:43.633 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% but also who want to beat Donald Trump and see a candidate who has a realistic path to 11:44.866 --> 11:46.966 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% getting there. 11:46.966 --> 11:48.233 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% AMNA NAWAZ: So, Amy, very briefly -- I feel like one of the debate moderator -- 30 seconds 11:48.233 --> 11:49.233 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% or less, if you can. 11:49.233 --> 11:51.200 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% (LAUGHTER) 11:51.200 --> 11:53.066 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% AMNA NAWAZ: What are you looking for tonight, when 10 more candidates take the stage? 11:53.066 --> 11:55.166 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% AMY WALTER: Yes. 11:55.166 --> 11:59.033 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Well, Joe Biden now becomes the face and the voice of that moderate, in a way that the 12:01.100 --> 12:04.600 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% candidates last night -- yes, they tried to play that role, but the real role is going 12:04.600 --> 12:09.600 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% to be played by Joe Biden, and how he holds up under what I think is going to be pretty 12:11.666 --> 12:14.900 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% aggressive, I don't know I would use the word attack, but they're definitely going to aggressively 12:15.766 --> 12:18.100 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% challenge Joe Biden tonight. 12:18.100 --> 12:19.633 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% Can he hold up? 12:19.633 --> 12:21.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% He didn't do particularly well in the first debate. 12:21.733 --> 12:22.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% AMNA NAWAZ: Karine, what about you? 12:22.733 --> 12:24.800 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% What are you looking for? 12:24.800 --> 12:28.233 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% KARINE JEAN-PIERRE: What I want to see, which is -- we didn't see last night, was, I really 12:28.233 --> 12:31.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% want to see the contrasts from -- with Donald Trump. 12:31.233 --> 12:33.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I mean, we talked about health care. 12:33.100 --> 12:36.466 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% More than 35 minutes was on Medicare for all, which is great. 12:36.466 --> 12:41.466 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% But nobody mentioned that, right now, the Trump administration is in the courts trying 12:42.900 --> 12:44.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to take away health care from tens of millions of people. 12:44.933 --> 12:48.733 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Like, that type of thing is what I want to hear tonight from these candidates. 12:48.733 --> 12:50.000 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% What's the contrast? 12:50.000 --> 12:51.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% How are we going to beat Donald Trump? 12:51.566 --> 12:53.100 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% And I agree with Amy. 12:53.100 --> 12:56.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I think Biden is going to get a lot of the attention. 12:56.766 --> 13:01.000 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% People are going to be focusing on him tonight, especially after the last debate. 13:01.000 --> 13:05.466 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% But I also want to say that I don't think we're going to see much change after -- after 13:05.466 --> 13:08.000 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% tonight. 13:08.000 --> 13:11.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I think the third debate, the one in September in Houston, where the field will whittle down 13:13.400 --> 13:16.066 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% a bit, we won't -- I don't think we will have more than one debate -- I think that's where 13:16.066 --> 13:20.933 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% we will see some movement with numbers and how people are standing in this race. 13:20.933 --> 13:22.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% AMNA NAWAZ: Stu, I will give you the last word here. 13:22.800 --> 13:24.033 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% What are you looking for? 13:24.033 --> 13:24.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% STU ROTHENBERG: Biden, Biden, Biden, and Biden. 13:24.800 --> 13:26.200 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% (LAUGHTER) 13:26.200 --> 13:28.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% STU ROTHENBERG: He's the leading progressive pragmatist. 13:28.633 --> 13:33.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% He is the -- if he falters, which is certainly possible, it will create an opening for somebody 13:35.066 --> 13:37.733 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% else to take that place, because this is a party that's split, that wants to win, but 13:37.733 --> 13:39.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% wants to win with a certain agenda. 13:39.833 --> 13:41.600 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% AMNA NAWAZ: Stu Rothenberg, Karine Jean-Pierre, and Amy Walter, thanks to you all. 13:41.600 --> 13:42.600 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% STU ROTHENBERG: Sure. 13:42.600 --> 13:43.500 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% AMY WALTER: You're welcome.