1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:03,300 JUDY WOODRUFF: Finally: a tribute to an icon. 2 00:00:03,300 --> 00:00:08,200 Fred Rogers hosted almost 900 episodes of "Mister Rogers' Neighborhood" over 31 seasons 3 00:00:09,833 --> 00:00:12,200 on public broadcasting stations. 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:17,200 The film "A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood" opens today and explores the friendship that 5 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:20,533 Rogers forged with a magazine writer. 6 00:00:20,533 --> 00:00:25,500 Jeffrey Brown talked with the stars of that film, Tom Hanks and Matthew Rhys, in New York. 7 00:00:27,500 --> 00:00:31,000 FRED ROGERS, Television Personality (singing): It's a beautiful day in this neighborhood, 8 00:00:33,933 --> 00:00:37,033 a beautiful day for a neighbor. 9 00:00:37,033 --> 00:00:39,133 TOM HANKS, Actor (singing): Would you be mine? 10 00:00:39,133 --> 00:00:43,700 JEFFREY BROWN: Tom Hanks has morphed into many characters over his storied film career. 11 00:00:44,900 --> 00:00:47,733 But in Fred Rogers, he says, he met his match. 12 00:00:47,733 --> 00:00:51,966 The film "A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood" was directed by Marielle Heller. 13 00:00:51,966 --> 00:00:56,933 TOM HANKS: Mari, who is ironclad in her discussions about what she's going to do, she said, essentially, 14 00:00:58,833 --> 00:00:59,833 you will get a wig. 15 00:00:59,833 --> 00:01:02,133 You will get some eyebrow. 16 00:01:02,133 --> 00:01:04,700 You will get a sweater and blue deck shoes. 17 00:01:04,700 --> 00:01:06,433 The rest of it is up to you. 18 00:01:06,433 --> 00:01:08,133 Do you know what this is? 19 00:01:08,133 --> 00:01:10,266 It's Lloyd. 20 00:01:10,266 --> 00:01:14,700 JEFFREY BROWN: His foil is a driven and cynical journalist sent to write a profile of Mister 21 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:21,000 Rogers for "Esquire" magazine, and the film is based on a true encounter in 1998. 22 00:01:22,866 --> 00:01:26,933 Played by Matthew Rhys, best known for his role as a Russian spy in "The Americans," 23 00:01:28,233 --> 00:01:30,133 the journalist is confounded by the sincere... 24 00:01:30,133 --> 00:01:31,133 TOM HANKS: Wonderful to meet you. 25 00:01:31,133 --> 00:01:32,133 So glad you're here, Lloyd. 26 00:01:32,133 --> 00:01:33,533 I'm looking forward to... 27 00:01:33,533 --> 00:01:35,966 JEFFREY BROWN: ... and glacially paced Mister Rogers. 28 00:01:35,966 --> 00:01:40,033 And, as it turns out, so was the Welsh actor Rhys. 29 00:01:40,033 --> 00:01:42,133 So did you know Mister Rogers growing up in Wales? 30 00:01:42,133 --> 00:01:43,166 MATTHEW RHYS, Actor: Not a jot. 31 00:01:43,166 --> 00:01:44,166 JEFFREY BROWN: Not a jot. 32 00:01:44,166 --> 00:01:45,700 MATTHEW RHYS: Nothing. 33 00:01:45,700 --> 00:01:47,500 I dived into YouTube and thought, what's going on? 34 00:01:47,500 --> 00:01:49,533 I had no idea. 35 00:01:49,533 --> 00:01:52,733 It seemed bizarre to me that this -- I was like, has he forgotten his lines? 36 00:01:52,733 --> 00:01:53,900 Is that why speak so slow? 37 00:01:53,900 --> 00:01:55,000 This is -- what's happening? 38 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:56,633 (LAUGHTER) 39 00:01:56,633 --> 00:01:58,266 MATTHEW RHYS: What's been incredible was having a 3-year-old son. 40 00:01:58,266 --> 00:02:00,100 JEFFREY BROWN: Yes, you have young kids. 41 00:02:00,100 --> 00:02:02,633 MATTHEW RHYS: Yes. 42 00:02:02,633 --> 00:02:06,000 And for him to be the conduit of what it truly is has been eye-opening and equal part groundbreaking. 43 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,800 JEFFREY BROWN: Rhys would come to see what millions had: Fred Rogers was utterly unique 44 00:02:13,766 --> 00:02:18,500 in the history of television, an ordained minister on a mission to reach, teach and 45 00:02:19,633 --> 00:02:22,233 help children be themselves. 46 00:02:22,233 --> 00:02:27,233 He didn't shy from serious subjects, including divorce, death and racism. 47 00:02:28,633 --> 00:02:31,500 And every child felt he was speaking directly to him or her. 48 00:02:31,500 --> 00:02:36,433 I asked the two actors about their experience in Mister Rogers' neighborhood. 49 00:02:36,433 --> 00:02:41,433 For Hanks, as for many of us, one question lingered: Was this guy for real? 50 00:02:42,633 --> 00:02:43,833 TOM HANKS: What is he trying to sell? 51 00:02:43,833 --> 00:02:46,433 Well, he wasn't trying to sell anything. 52 00:02:46,433 --> 00:02:48,533 He was trying to make little kids feel safe. 53 00:02:48,533 --> 00:02:53,500 So, for me as an actor, it's like, what are my myriad natural tendencies as a human being 54 00:02:56,966 --> 00:03:01,933 that are going to have to be whipped into submission, so that I'm not falling into that 55 00:03:04,533 --> 00:03:07,033 same brand of cynical presentation? 56 00:03:07,033 --> 00:03:12,033 There is a DNA that you sort of have to inject into yourself at the same time that you put 57 00:03:14,033 --> 00:03:18,166 on that version of Batman's cape and cowl, except it's a red cardigan sweater and blue 58 00:03:18,866 --> 00:03:20,900 deck shoes. 59 00:03:20,900 --> 00:03:24,833 The individual scenes between the two of us, of which there's five or six, of course, were 60 00:03:24,833 --> 00:03:27,200 exhausting. 61 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:31,533 They were as physically exhausting and physiologically exhausting as any scenes I have ever played. 62 00:03:32,900 --> 00:03:34,533 MATTHEW RHYS: Do you consider yourself a hero? 63 00:03:34,533 --> 00:03:38,933 TOM HANKS: I don't think of myself as a hero, no, not at all. 64 00:03:38,933 --> 00:03:41,500 MATTHEW RHYS: What about Mister Rogers? 65 00:03:41,500 --> 00:03:44,266 Is he a hero? 66 00:03:44,266 --> 00:03:46,333 TOM HANKS: I don't understand the question. 67 00:03:46,333 --> 00:03:50,533 MATTHEW RHYS: Well, there's you, Fred, and then there's the character you play, Mister 68 00:03:50,533 --> 00:03:53,066 Rogers. 69 00:03:53,066 --> 00:03:56,366 These two men kind of circle each other with different intentions, but also -- but seemingly 70 00:03:56,366 --> 00:04:01,333 the same tactics of waiting and questioning, until one either broke or opened up. 71 00:04:03,900 --> 00:04:08,900 JEFFREY BROWN: Rhys' character, here called Lloyd Vogel, visits the set to interview Fred 72 00:04:09,366 --> 00:04:11,466 Rogers. 73 00:04:11,466 --> 00:04:15,133 But Rogers wants only to know Vogel, to understand him and his struggles, especially his anger 74 00:04:17,133 --> 00:04:22,000 at a father who abandoned the family long ago and now seeks reconciliation and forgiveness. 75 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:28,266 TOM HANKS: If I was going to show you, admit to you what the first day of shooting was, 76 00:04:30,300 --> 00:04:34,366 you -- I would point out to you how I'm talking too fast, I'm not being as specific as I need 77 00:04:36,433 --> 00:04:41,133 to, I'm not waiting for -- I'm not really listening, because I'm kind of, like, petrified. 78 00:04:42,500 --> 00:04:46,833 And think about all the people who loved us into being. 79 00:04:46,833 --> 00:04:51,166 MATTHEW RHYS: My perspective of you on that day is completely different. 80 00:04:51,166 --> 00:04:55,900 And you kind of came in with this -- it was like -- it was like what they said about Rogers. 81 00:04:55,900 --> 00:05:00,233 Everything slowed down, because you didn't dictate a tempo. 82 00:05:00,233 --> 00:05:01,466 You actually just listened. 83 00:05:01,466 --> 00:05:04,133 And that, in itself, dictates a tempo. 84 00:05:04,133 --> 00:05:06,600 There is this moment I kind of had that, oh, God, he's got it. 85 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,600 He's got it. 86 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:13,100 JEFFREY BROWN: With Fred Rogers, there's another element, because the question was, was he 87 00:05:16,300 --> 00:05:17,866 acting? 88 00:05:17,866 --> 00:05:21,866 So are you acting as Fred Rogers, who's acting as Mister Rogers? 89 00:05:21,866 --> 00:05:23,166 TOM HANKS: Absolutely. 90 00:05:23,166 --> 00:05:26,133 There is a performance that he was giving. 91 00:05:26,133 --> 00:05:31,133 There was -- there was rules that he was following that were based on his philosophy on how to 92 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,700 do this. 93 00:05:34,700 --> 00:05:37,900 JEFFREY BROWN: So, who was the real Fred Rogers or who was the real Mister Rogers? 94 00:05:37,900 --> 00:05:40,800 TOM HANKS: I heard an audiotape. 95 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:45,800 There was a child psychologist who is one of his great mentors that he -- that he discussed 96 00:05:47,766 --> 00:05:50,500 everything with in front of -- and they were talking about trying to come up with an opera 97 00:05:50,500 --> 00:05:52,633 for children. 98 00:05:52,633 --> 00:05:56,900 And this lady had this kind of -- what I think what we could do is, is the thematic element 99 00:05:58,933 --> 00:06:03,233 of the chorus here with the frog could actually be a bridge to the original theme of the first 100 00:06:08,533 --> 00:06:09,733 act. 101 00:06:09,733 --> 00:06:14,533 Pause, pause, pause, pause. 102 00:06:14,533 --> 00:06:17,200 And this is Mister Rogers now. 103 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:22,200 If the frog could have a worry that he brings - - and these are just people talking. 104 00:06:25,833 --> 00:06:28,900 These are people at work trying to figure out how to... 105 00:06:28,900 --> 00:06:30,500 (LAUGHTER) 106 00:06:30,500 --> 00:06:32,333 TOM HANKS: This is like a production meeting that he's going on. 107 00:06:32,333 --> 00:06:35,300 And he's still put that brand of thought to it. 108 00:06:35,300 --> 00:06:39,933 MATTHEW RHYS: I think, to me, what seemingly the performance element is only to succeed 109 00:06:39,933 --> 00:06:44,200 in a greater communication to that audience at which it is aimed. 110 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:49,066 JEFFREY BROWN: Fred Rogers believed in the power of television, right, as a tool for 111 00:06:49,066 --> 00:06:53,000 change, a tool for reaching people. 112 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,066 Television hasn't really worked out that way. 113 00:06:55,066 --> 00:06:59,233 TOM HANKS: Well, he didn't change television on as a technology as an art form, but look 114 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:04,633 what he created for a half-hour at a time, extraordinarily wise, smart things that made 115 00:07:06,066 --> 00:07:08,600 children understand the world a little bit better. 116 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:13,366 If you only get a half-hour out of that once a day, I think you're still a half-hour ahead 117 00:07:13,366 --> 00:07:15,300 of the curve. 118 00:07:15,300 --> 00:07:16,733 JEFFREY BROWN: What about in the general culture, a film like this? 119 00:07:16,733 --> 00:07:20,866 Do you think there is a craving, a need for Fred Rogers? 120 00:07:20,866 --> 00:07:23,800 TOM HANKS: Don't you think there's some, like, marketing executive, you know what we got 121 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:24,800 here? 122 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:26,266 (LAUGHTER) 123 00:07:26,266 --> 00:07:27,066 TOM HANKS: What we have here is counterprogramming. 124 00:07:27,066 --> 00:07:28,300 MATTHEW RHYS: Yes. 125 00:07:28,300 --> 00:07:29,100 TOM HANKS: You see what I'm saying? 126 00:07:29,100 --> 00:07:31,166 MATTHEW RHYS: I like it. 127 00:07:31,166 --> 00:07:31,966 TOM HANKS: What we're going to do is, we're going to have a guy with the puppets. 128 00:07:31,966 --> 00:07:32,633 MATTHEW RHYS: Yes. 129 00:07:32,633 --> 00:07:33,300 Oh, that's good. 130 00:07:33,300 --> 00:07:34,466 That's good. 131 00:07:34,466 --> 00:07:36,966 TOM HANKS: We will shoot it in Pittsburgh. 132 00:07:36,966 --> 00:07:37,966 No, I think it can work, if we hit it. 133 00:07:37,966 --> 00:07:39,400 (LAUGHTER) 134 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,366 TOM HANKS: If we hit the counterprogramming situation. 135 00:07:41,366 --> 00:07:43,300 MATTHEW RHYS: It is like this -- there's an incredible symphony going on at all times. 136 00:07:43,300 --> 00:07:47,666 And it's in the pause that sometimes the greatest potency is found. 137 00:07:47,666 --> 00:07:52,666 And I think, if we do that for a small number of people for a brief moment, so much so the 138 00:07:54,433 --> 00:07:56,466 better. 139 00:07:56,466 --> 00:08:00,466 JEFFREY BROWN: "Mister Rogers' Neighborhood" ended its television run on PBS in 2001. 140 00:08:01,633 --> 00:08:06,400 Fred Rogers died two years later at age 74. 141 00:08:08,366 --> 00:08:12,333 The new film, "A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood," opens today around the country. 142 00:08:13,766 --> 00:08:16,633 For the "PBS NewsHour," I'm Jeffrey Brown in New York. 143 00:08:16,633 --> 00:08:21,000 JUDY WOODRUFF: A reminder we could sure use Fred Rogers right now. 144 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:22,266 I can't wait to see this film.