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>> GOOD MORNING, I'M JUDY

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WOODRUFF, AND WELCOME TO OUR

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SPECIAL LIVE COVERAGE OF THE

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IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS.

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TODAY MARKS A NEW PHASE.

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THE FIRST HEARING FROM THE

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HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, THE

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BODY THAT CAN BRING FORMAL

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ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT

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AGAINST THE PRESIDENT.

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IT COMES ON THE HEELS OF THE

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FINAL REPORT FROM THE

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INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE.

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AFTER MORE THAN 100 HOURS OF

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TESTIMONY FROM 17 WCHXS THEY

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CONCLUDE THAT MR. TRUMP

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ORCHESTRATED A SCHEME TO FOR

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POLICY TOWARD UKRAINE TO

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UNDERMINE NATIONAL SECURITY OF

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THE UNITED STATES AND TO AID

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HIS PERSONAL POLITICAL

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AMBITIONS.

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THE COMMITTEE FOUND IT WAS

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UNDERTAKEN WITH THE KNOWLEDGE

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AND APPROVAL OF THE VICE

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PRESIDENT, THE SECRETARY OF

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STATE, THE ACTING CHIEF OF

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STAFF OF THE WHITE HOUSE AND

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THE SECRETARY OF ENERGY AMONG

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OTHERS.

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AND THAT MR. TRUMP HAS ALSO

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OBSTRUCTED THE IMPEACHMENT

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PROCESS.

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TODAY WE WILL HEAR FROM

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CONSTITUTIONAL LAW SCHOLARS ON

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WHAT CONSTITUTES A HIGH CRIME

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AND MISDEMEANOR IN ORDER THAT

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WOULD BE REQUIRED TO REMOVE A

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THERE IS A LOT TO ABSORB, AND

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LISA DESIARDINS IS IN THE

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CAPITAL, AND JOINING ME HERE

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IN THE STUDIO TO SAL.

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HE WAS DEPUTY WHITE HOUSE

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COUNSEL DURING PRESIDENT

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CLINTON'S TERM WHEN HE

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QUESTIONING.

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AND FRANK SUBMITTED TESTIMONY

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ON THE DEFINITION OF HIGH

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CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS TO THE

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DURING THE CLINTON

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IMPEACHMENT.

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FRANK BOWMAN TEACHES LAW AT

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GOERGETOWN SCHOOL OF LAW.

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HE IS THE AUTHOR OF HIGH

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CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS, THE

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HISTORY OF IMPEACHMENT FOR THE

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AGE OF TRUMP.

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WE WELCOME ALL OF YOU TO THE

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NEWS HOUR AND SPECIAL

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COVERAGE.

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CORRESPONDENT AT THE CAPITOL,

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LISA DESIARDINS.

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LISA, IT'S A DIFFERENT

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COMMITTEE.

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THAT WAS THE INTELLIGENCE

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COMMITTEE TWO WEEKS AGO AND

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LAST WEEK, AND NOW THE

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JUDICIARY COMMITTEE.

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IT'S A DIFFERENT PROCESS.

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TELL US WHAT THE COMMITTEE'S

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GOAL IS.

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AND SHARP EYED VIEWERS WILL

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NOTICE A DIFFERENT LAYOUT IN

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COMMITTEE'S STAFF.

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EACH ONE WILL HAVE FIVE

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MINUTES TO QUESTION THE

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FOR VOTES LATER ON.

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ONE OF THE THINGS, JUDY,

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HARING THAN WHEN WE HAD THE

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INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE.

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THIS IS AN ACADEMIC PANEL.

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CLINTON IMPEACHMENT, I WILL

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SAY THIS KIND OF PANEL CAN BE

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AS WE SAW DURING THE

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IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY, THE

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PRESIDENT WAS WATCHING VERY

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OVERSEAS.

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PAYING ATTENTION?

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>> THE PRESIDENT AND THE WHITE

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RESPOND TO THIS IN REAL TIME.

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10:30 A.M. EASTERN TIME, AND

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WITH THE JUDICIARY HEARING.

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BUT THE PRESIDENT CANCELED

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QUESTIONS IN LONDON, AND JUST

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WANTS TO GET HOME.

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WATCH SOME OF THE HEARING ON

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HIS WAY BACK TO THE UNITED

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TO HAVE LAWYERS COME TO THE

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DEMOCRATS SAID TAY COULD CALL

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THEIR OWN WITNESSES, AND THE

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WHITE HOUSE DECIDED NOT TO

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SEND ANYONE.

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SHAM AND A HOAX, AND THE

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PRESIDENT THINKS IT'S ALL

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UNFAIR, BUT THE WHITE HOUSE

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DEMOCRATIC COUNSEL.

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OPENING STATEMENTS.

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MAKE THE CASE THAT THE HE DID

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COMMIT AN IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE.

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AND THEY SAY IT'S THE WORST

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THEY'VE SEEN IN PRESIDENTIAL

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CONDUCT, AND THE WORST THAN

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ANY OTHER IMPEACHMENT

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PROCEEDINGS IN THE PAST, BUT

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THE REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO

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INQUIRY THAT'S TOO QUICK, AND

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THERE'S BEEN EVIDENCE AGAINST

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REPUBLICANS TO DEFEND THE

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PRESIDENT.

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>> GOOD POINT.

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PROCESS, AND THAT CONTINUES

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THROUGH THE INTELLIGENCE

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COMMITTEE HEARINGS, AND WE

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EXPECT IT TO CONTINUE TODAY.

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WE'RE LOOKING AT LIVE PICTURES

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AS THE HOUSE JUDICIARY

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COMMITTEE PREPARES FOR THE

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HEARINGS.

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THE DEMOCRATS ARE ALLOWED TO

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CALL THREE WITNESSES,

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PROFESSORS OF THE LAW, AND THE

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REPUBLICANS ONE.

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WE'RE SEEING A BIT OF WHAT

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I WANT TO TURN TO FRANK

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BOWMAN, AND SAL WISEENBERG.

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SAL, THIS IS A WAY FOR THE

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AMERICAN PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND

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WHAT THE CONSTITUTION SAYS

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ABOUT IMPEACHMENT, ISN'T IT?

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THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT

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VIEWS WHAT THE CONSTITUTION

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GOING TO BE, AND IT'S HARD TO

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TALK ABOUT IMPEACHMENT WITHOUT

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PUTTING IT INTO THE CONTEXT OF

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PARTICULAR ARTICLES.

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SO THAT'S THE PROBLEM HERE.

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>> WHAT ABOUT THAT.

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THERE'S A LOT WE DON'T KNOW AT

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THIS POINT.

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HAVING FOUR LAW PROFESSORS,

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CONSTITUTIONAL SCHOLARS BEING

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INTERROGATED, QUESTIONED BY

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MEMBERS OF THE JUDICIARY

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COMMITTEE IS UNUSUAL.

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BUT HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK WE

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ARE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT THE

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DEFINITION OF WHAT CONSTITUTES

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IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES.

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I THINK THAT'S LIKELY TO BE

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MUCH OF WHAT WE SEE TODAY.

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NOW, IN TERMS OF WHETHER OR

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NOT THIS IS PARTICULAR OR

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UNPRECEDENTED IN THE PRESENT

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MATTER THERE ARE ACTUALLY 19

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CONSTITUTIONAL HISTORIANS ON A

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SERIOUS OF PANELS IN WHICH

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THEY TALKED AT GREAT LENGTH

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ABOUT THESE MATTERS.

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THE DIFFERENCE, I THINK

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BETWEEN THE CLINTON CASE AND

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THE PRESENT ONE IS THAT IN THE

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CLINTON CASE, THE FACTS ARE

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UNDISPUTED.

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PRESIDENT CLINTON COMMITTED

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PERJURY, AND MAY HAVE

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OBSTRUCTED JUSTICE.

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>> HOUSE COMMITTEE WILL COME

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TO ORDER.

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>> WE WH INTERRUPT YOU.

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JERRY NADLER IS CALLING THE

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PROCEEDINGS TO ORDER.

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>> OBJECTIONS NOTED.

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I HAVE RESERVED THE RIGHT TO

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OBJECT.

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PURSUANT TO RULE 111, I'M

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FURNISHING YOU THE DEMAND FOR

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THE HEARINGS ON THE SUBJECT

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SIGNED BY ALL REPUBLICANS U.

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>> GENTLEMAN WILL DISPENSE.

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I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU

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SAID.

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>> PURSUANT TO CLAUSE 2 J 1,

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OF 111 I'M FURNISHING YOU THE

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DEMAND FOR THE SUBJECT SIGNED

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BY ALL COMMITTEE MEMBERS OF

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THE REPUBLICAN COMMITTEE, AND

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I REQUEST YOU SET THIS DATE

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BEFORE THE COMMITTEE VOTES ON

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ANY ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT.

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>> I WITHDRAW MY RESERVATION.

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>> WE WILL CONFER AND RULE ON

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THIS LATER.

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>> THE QUORUM IS PROHIBIT.

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THIS IS THE FIRST HEARING WE

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ARE CONDUCTING PURSUANT TO

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HOUSE RESOLUTION 660.

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AND THE SPECIAL PROERPS THAT

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ARE SDIEBED IN SECTION 4-AN OF

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THAT RESOLUTION.

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HERE'S HOW THE COMMITTEE WILL

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PROCEED FOR THIS HEARING.

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I WILL MAKE AN OPENING

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STATEMENT, AND THEN I WILL

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RECOGNIZE RANKING MEMBER FOR

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AN OPENING STATEMENT.

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EACH WITNESS WILL HAVE 10

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MINUTES TO MAKE STATEMENTS AND

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THEN WE WILL PROCEED TO

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QUESTIONS.

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I WILL NOW RECOGNIZE MYSELF.

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>> MR. CHAIRMAN, INQUIRY.

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>> I HAVE THE TIME FOR

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OPENING STATEMENT.

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THE FACTS BEFORE US ARE

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UNDISPUTED ON JULY 25th,

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PRESIDENT TRUMP CALLED

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PRESIDENT ZELENSKY OF UKRAINE,

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AND IN PRESIDENT TRUMP'S WORDS

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ASKED HIM FOR A FAVOR.

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THAT CALL WAS PART OF A

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CONCERTED EFFORT BY THE

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PRESIDENT AND HIS MEN TO

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SOLICIT A PERSONAL ADVANTAGE

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IN THE NEXT ELECTION.

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THIS TIME IN THE FORM OF AN

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INVESTIGATION OF HIS POLITICAL

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ADVERSARIES BY A FOREIGN

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GOVERNMENT.

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TO OBTAIN THAT PRIVATE

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POLITICAL ADVANTAGE, PRESIDENT

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TRUMP WITHHELD BOTH AN

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OFFICIAL WHITE HOUSE MEETING

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FROM THE NEWLY ELECTED

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PRESIDENT OF A FRAGILE

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DEMOCRACY, AND WITHHELD VITAL

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MILITARY AID FROM A VULNERABLE

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ALLY.

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WHEN CONGRESS FOUND OUT ABOUT

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THIS SCHEME AND BEGAN TO

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INVESTIGATE, PRESIDENT TRUMP

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TOOK EXTRAORDINARY AND

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UNPRECEDENTED STEPS TO COVER

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UP HIS EFFORTS AND TO WITHHOLD

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EVIDENCE FROM THE

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INVESTIGATORS.

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AND WHEN WITNESSES DISOBEYED

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HIM, WHEN CAREER PROFESSIONALS

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CAME FORWARD AND TOLD US THE

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TRUTH, HE ATTACKED THEM

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VICIOUSLY, CALLING THEM

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TRAITORS AND LIARS PROMISING

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THEY WILL GO THROUGH

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SOMETHING.

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OF COURSE, THIS IS NOT THE

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FIRST TIME THAT PRESIDENT

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TRUMP HAS ENGAGED IN THIS

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PATTERN OF CONDUCT.

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IN 2016, THE RUSSIAN

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GOVERNMENT ENGAGED IN A

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SWEEPING AND SYSTEMATIC

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CAMPAIGN OF INTERFERENCE IN

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OUR ELECTIONS.

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IN THE WORDS OF SPECIAL

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COUNSEL, ROBERT MUELLER, THE

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RUEGZ GOVERNMENT PERCEIVED IT

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WOULD BENEFIT FROM A TRUMP

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PRESIDENCY AND WORKED TO

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SECURE THAT OUTCOME.

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THE PRESIDENT WELCOMED THAT

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INTERFERENCE.

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WE SAW THIS IN REAL TIME WHEN

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PRESIDENT TRUMP ASKED RUSSIA

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TO HACK HIS POLITICAL

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OPPONENTS.

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THE VERY NEXT DAY, THE RUSSIA

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MILITARY INTELLIGENCE

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COMMUNITY ATTEMPTED TO HACK

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THAT POLITICAL OPPONENT.

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WHEN HIS OWN JUSTICE

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DEPARTMENT TRIED TO UNCOVER

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THE EXTENT TO WHICH A FOREIGN

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GOVERNMENT HAD BROKEN OUR

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LAWS, PRESIDENT TRUMP TOOK

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EXTRAORDINARY UNPRECEDENTED

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STEPS TO OBSTRUCT THE

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INVESTIGATION, INCLUDING

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IGNORING SUBPOENAS, ORDERING

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THE CREATION OF FALSE RECORDS,

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AND PUBLICLY ATTACKING AND

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INTIMIDATING WITNESSES.

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THEN AS NOW, THIS

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ADMINISTRATION'S LEVEL OF

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OBSTRUCTION IS WITHOUT

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PRECEDENCE.

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NO OTHER PRESIDENT HAS VOWED

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TO FIGHT ALL THE SUBPOENAS AS

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PRESIDENT TRUMP PROMISED.

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IN THE 1974 PROCEEDINGS,

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PRESIDENT NIXON PRODUCED

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DOZENS OF RECORDINGS.

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IN 1998, PRESIDENT CLINTON

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GAVE HIS BLOOD.

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PRESIDENT TRUMP, BY CONTRAST

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HAS RECH FUSED TO PRODUCE A

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SINGLE DOCUMENT, AND DIRECTED

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EVERY WITNESS NOT TO TESTIFY.

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THOSE ARE THE FACTS BEFORE US.

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THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRE

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SEMOVED BACK TO THE HOUSE

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JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, AND AS WE

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BEGIN A REVIEW OF THESE FACTS,

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THE PRESIDENT'S PATTERN OF

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BEHAVIOR BECOMES CLEAR.

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PRESIDENT TRUMP WELCOMED

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FOREIGN INTERFERENCE IN THE

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2016 ELECTION.

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HE DEMANDED IT FOR THE 2020

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ELECTION.

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IN BOTH CASES HE GOT CAUGHT.

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AND IN BOTH CASES HE DID

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EVERYTHING IN HIS POWER TO

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PREVENT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

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FROM LEARNING THE TRUTH ABOUT

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HIS CONDUCT.

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ON JULY 24, THE SPECIAL

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COUNSEL TESTIFIED BEFORE THIS

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COMMITTEE.

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HE IMPLOREED US TO SEE THE

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NATURE OF THE THREAT TO OUR

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COUNTRY.

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"OVER THE COURSE OF MY CAREER,

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I HAVE SEEN A NUMBER OF

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CHALLENGES TO OUR DEMOCRACY.

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THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT'S

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EFFORTS TO INTERFERE IN

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EFFORTS IS AMONG THE MOST

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SERIOUS.

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THIS DESERVING THE ATTENTION

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OF EVERY AMERICAN."

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IGNORING THAT WARNING,

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PRESIDENT TRUMP CALLED THE

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UKRANIAN PRESIDENT THE VERY

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NEXT DAY TO ASK HIM TO

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INVESTIGATE THE PRESIDENT'S

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POLITICAL OPPONENT.

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WE EMPHASIZE RESPONSIBILITY TO

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DETERMINE WHETHER THIS PATTERN

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OF BEHAVIOR CNSTITUTES AN

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IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE, IT IS

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IMPORTANT TO POLICE PRESIDENT

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TRUMP'S CONDUCT INTO

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HISTORICAL CONTEXT.

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SINCE THE FOUNDING OF OUR

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COUNTRY, THE HOUSE OF

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REPRESENTATIVES HAS ONLY

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IMPEACHED TWO PRESIDENTS.

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A THIRD WAS ON THE WAY TO

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IMPEACHMENT WHEN HE RESIGNED.

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THE COMMITTEE HAS VOTEED TO

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IMPEACH TWO PRESIDENTS FOR

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OBSTRUCTING JUSTICE.

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WE VOTEED TO IMPEACH ONE

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PRESIDENT FOR OBSTRUCTING A

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CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATION.

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TO THE EXTENT PRESIDENT

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TRUMP'S CONDUCT FITS THESE

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00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,033
CATEGORIES WE CAN RECOMMEND

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IMPEACHMENT HERE.

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NEVER BEFORE IN THE HISTORY OF

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THE REPUBLIC HAVE WE BEEN

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FORCED TO LOOK AT THE CUTH OF

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A PRESIDENT WHO SOLICITED

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FAVORS FROM A FOREIGN

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GOVERNMENT.

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NEVER BEFORE HAS A PRESIDENT

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ENGAGED IN A COURSE OF CONDUCT

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THAT INCLUDED ALL OF THE ACTS

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THAT MOST CONCERNED THE

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FRAMERS.

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THE PATRIOTS WHO FOUNDED OUR

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COUNTRY WERE NOT FEARFUL MEN.

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THEY FOUGHT A WAR.

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THEY WITNESSED TERRIBLE

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VIOLENCE.

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THEY OVERTHREW A KING.

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AS THEY MEANT TO FRAME OUR

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CONSTITUTION, THOSE PATRIOTS

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STILL FEARED ONE THREAT ABOVE

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ALL.

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FOREIGN INTERFERENCE IN OUR

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ELECTIONS.

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THEY JUXTAPOSEED TYRANTS.

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THEY WERE WORRIED WE WOULD

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LOSE LIBERTY, NOT TO A WAR,

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BUT THROUGH CORRUPTION FROM

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WITHIN.

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AND IN THE EARLY YEARS OF THE

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REPUBLIC THEY ASKED US, EACH

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OF US TO BE VIGILANT TO THAT

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THREAT.

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WASHINGTON WARNED US "TO BE

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CONSTANTLY AWAKE, EXPERIENCE

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PROVED THAT FOREIGN INFLUENCE

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IS ONE OF THE MOST PAINFUL

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FOES OF AMERICAN GOVERNMENT."

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ADAMS WROTE, AS OFTEN AS

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ELECTIONS HAPPEN, THE DANGER

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OF FOREIGN INFLUENCE RECURS."

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HAMILTON'S WARNING WAS MORE

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SPECIFIC AND DIRE.

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IN THE FEDERALIST PAPERS HE

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WROTE "THE MOST DEADLY

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ADVERSARIES OF A GOVERNMENT

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WOULD ATTEMPT TO RAISE A

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CREATURE OF THEIR OWN TO THE

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CHIEF MAJESTRY OF THE UNION."

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IN SHORT, THE FOUNDERS

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WONDERED WE SHOULD EXPECT OUR

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FOREIGN ADVERSARIES TO TARGET

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OUR ELECTION AND FIND

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OURSELVES IN GRAVE DANGER IF

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THE PRESIDENT WILLINGLY OPENS

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THE DOOR TO THEIR INFLUENCE.

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WHAT KIND OF PRESIDENT WOULD

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DO THAT?

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HOW WOULD WE KNOW IF THE

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PRESIDENT BETRAYED HIS COUNTRY

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IN THIS MANNER.

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HOW WILL WE KNOW IF HE

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BETRAYED THE COUNTRY IN THIS

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MANNER FOR PETTY PERSONAL

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GAINS?

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HAMILTON HAD A RESPONSE TO

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THAT AS WELL.

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WE WROTE "WHEN THEY MAN IN

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LIFE, DESPERATE, AND BOLD IN

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TEMPER POSSESSED

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CONSIDERABLE TALENTS, THOSE

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WHO SCOFFED AT THE PRINCIPLES

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OF LIBERTY, WITH SUCH A MAN IT

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SEEMED TO MOUNT THE

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POPULARITY, TO JOIN THE CRY OF

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DANGER TO LIBERTY, TO TAKE

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EVERY OPPORTUNITY OF

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EMBARRASSING THE GENERAL

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GOVERNMENT, AND BRINGING IT

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00:16:38,766 --> 00:16:39,333
UNDER SUSPICION.

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IT MAY JUSTLY BE SUSPECTED

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THAT HIS OBJECT IS TO THROW

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00:16:44,633 --> 00:16:46,866
THINGS TO CONFUSION THAT HE

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MAY RIDE THE STORM AND DIRECT

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THE WHIRLWIND."

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LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE

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STORM IN WHICH WE FIND

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OURSELVES TODAY WAS SET IN

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00:16:54,933 --> 00:16:56,500
MOTION BY PRESIDENT TRUMP.

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I DO NOT WISH THIS MOMENT ON

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THE COUNTRY.

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IT IS NOT A PLEASANT TASK THAT

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WE UNDERTAKE TODAY.

533
00:17:05,133 --> 00:17:07,833
WE HAVE EACH TAKEN AN OATH TO

534
00:17:07,833 --> 00:17:08,666
PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION, AND

535
00:17:08,666 --> 00:17:11,066
THE FACTS BEFORE US ARE CLEAR.

536
00:17:11,066 --> 00:17:12,800
PRESIDENT TRUMP DID NOT MERELY

537
00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:14,566
SEEK TO BENEFIT FROM FOREIGN

538
00:17:14,566 --> 00:17:17,866
INTERFERENCE IN THE ELECTIONS.

539
00:17:17,866 --> 00:17:19,166
HE DIRECTLY INVITED FOREIGN

540
00:17:19,166 --> 00:17:20,533
INTERFERENCE IN THE ELECTION.

541
00:17:20,533 --> 00:17:22,233
HE USED THE POWERS OF HIS

542
00:17:22,233 --> 00:17:24,666
OFFICE TO TRY TO MAKE IT

543
00:17:24,666 --> 00:17:25,000
HAPPEN.

544
00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:26,433
HE SENT HIS AGENTS TO MAKE

545
00:17:26,433 --> 00:17:29,133
CLEAR THAT THIS IS WHAT HE

546
00:17:29,133 --> 00:17:29,766
WANTED AND DEMANDED.

547
00:17:29,766 --> 00:17:31,300
HE WAS WILLING TO COMPROMISE

548
00:17:31,300 --> 00:17:33,933
OUR SECURITY AND HIS OFFICE

549
00:17:33,933 --> 00:17:37,066
FOR PERSONAL, POLITICAL GAIN.

550
00:17:37,066 --> 00:17:39,700
IT DOES NOT MATTER THAT

551
00:17:39,700 --> 00:17:42,033
PRESIDENT TRUMP GOT CAUGHT AND

552
00:17:42,033 --> 00:17:43,433
ULTIMATELY RELEASED THE FUNDS

553
00:17:43,433 --> 00:17:45,300
THAT UKRAINE DESPERATELY

554
00:17:45,300 --> 00:17:45,633
NEEDED.

555
00:17:45,633 --> 00:17:47,833
IT MATTERS THAT HE ENLISTED A

556
00:17:47,833 --> 00:17:49,133
FOREIGN GOVERNMENT TO

557
00:17:49,133 --> 00:17:51,400
INTERVENE IN OUR ELECTIONS IN

558
00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:51,900
THE FIRST PLACE.

559
00:17:51,900 --> 00:17:55,433
IT DOES W NOT MATTER THAT

560
00:17:55,433 --> 00:17:57,466
PRESIDENT TRUMP FELT THESE

561
00:17:57,466 --> 00:17:58,900
INVESTIGATIONS WERE UNFAIR TO

562
00:17:58,900 --> 00:17:59,166
HIM.

563
00:17:59,166 --> 00:18:01,733
IT MATTERS THAT HE USED HIS

564
00:18:01,733 --> 00:18:03,466
OFFICE, NOT MERELY TO DEFEND

565
00:18:03,466 --> 00:18:05,200
HIMSELF BUT TO OBSTRUCT

566
00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:06,566
INVESTIGATORS AT EVERY TURN.

567
00:18:06,566 --> 00:18:09,433
WE ARE ALL AWARE THAT THE NEXT

568
00:18:09,433 --> 00:18:10,266
ELECTION IS LOOMING.

569
00:18:10,266 --> 00:18:11,866
BUT WE CANNOT WAIT FOR THE

570
00:18:11,866 --> 00:18:15,000
ELECTION TO ADDRESS THE

571
00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:15,466
PRESENT CRISIS.

572
00:18:15,466 --> 00:18:17,033
THE INTEGRITY OF THAT ELECTION

573
00:18:17,033 --> 00:18:19,600
IS ONE OF THE VERY THINGS AT

574
00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:20,200
STAKE.

575
00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,466
THE PRESIDENT HAS SHOWN US HIS

576
00:18:23,466 --> 00:18:25,400
PATTERN OF CONDUCT.

577
00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:27,833
IF WE DON'T ACT TO HOLD HIM IN

578
00:18:27,833 --> 00:18:29,600
CHECK NOW PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL

579
00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:31,100
CERTAINLY TRY AGAIN TO SOLICIT

580
00:18:31,100 --> 00:18:32,866
INTERFERENCE IN THE ELECTION

581
00:18:32,866 --> 00:18:35,433
FOR HIS PERSONAL POLITICAL

582
00:18:35,433 --> 00:18:35,866
GAIN.

583
00:18:35,866 --> 00:18:38,800
TODAY WE WILL BEGIN THE

584
00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,633
CONVERSATION WITH THE TEXT OF

585
00:18:41,633 --> 00:18:42,133
THE CONSTITUTION.

586
00:18:42,133 --> 00:18:44,600
WE ARE EMPOWERED TO RECOMMEND

587
00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:45,866
THE IMPEACHMENT OF PRESIDENT

588
00:18:45,866 --> 00:18:47,833
TRUMP TO THE HOUSE IF WE FIND

589
00:18:47,833 --> 00:18:49,600
HE COMMITTED TREASON, BRIBERY

590
00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,900
OR OTHER HIGH CRIMES AND

591
00:18:51,900 --> 00:18:52,333
MISDEMEANORS.

592
00:18:52,333 --> 00:18:53,566
OUR WITNESS PANEL WILL HELP US

593
00:18:53,566 --> 00:18:55,300
TO GUIDE THAT CONVERSATION.

594
00:18:55,300 --> 00:18:58,166
IN A FEW DAYS, WE WILL

595
00:18:58,166 --> 00:18:59,266
RECONVENE AND HEAR FROM THE

596
00:18:59,266 --> 00:19:01,100
COMMITTEES THAT WORK TO

597
00:19:01,100 --> 00:19:02,633
UNCOVER THE FACTS BEFORE US.

598
00:19:02,633 --> 00:19:05,033
WHEN WE APPLY THE CONSTITUTION

599
00:19:05,033 --> 00:19:07,266
TO THOSE FACTS, IF IT IS TRUE

600
00:19:07,266 --> 00:19:09,200
THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS

601
00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:10,933
COMMITED AN IMPEACHABLE

602
00:19:10,933 --> 00:19:12,766
OFFENSE OR MULTIPLE

603
00:19:12,766 --> 00:19:14,466
IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES, THEN WE

604
00:19:14,466 --> 00:19:16,000
MUST MOVE SWIFTLY TO DO OUR

605
00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:17,866
DUTY AND CHARGE HIM

606
00:19:17,866 --> 00:19:18,866
ACCORDINGLY.

607
00:19:18,866 --> 00:19:21,333
I THANK THE WITNESSES FOR

608
00:19:21,333 --> 00:19:21,933
BEING HERE TODAY.

609
00:19:21,933 --> 00:19:23,466
I NOW RECOGNIZE THE RANKING

610
00:19:23,466 --> 00:19:26,166
MEMBER OF THE JUDICIARY

611
00:19:26,166 --> 00:19:27,466
COMMITTEE, THE GENTLEMAN FROM

612
00:19:27,466 --> 00:19:29,400
GEORGIA, MR. COLLINS FOR HIS

613
00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:29,900
OPENING STATEMENT.

614
00:19:29,900 --> 00:19:35,000
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I MAKE A

615
00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:35,566
PARLIAMENTARY INQUIRY?

616
00:19:35,566 --> 00:19:38,500
>> I RECOGNIZE THE RANKING

617
00:19:38,500 --> 00:19:40,166
MEMBER'S OPENING STATEMENT.

618
00:19:40,166 --> 00:19:43,433
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN,

619
00:19:43,433 --> 00:19:47,833
AND AGAIN, I WANT TO DISCUSS

620
00:19:47,833 --> 00:19:49,133
TODAY, BECAUSE WE'RE SORT OF

621
00:19:49,133 --> 00:19:51,366
COMING HERE TODAY IN A

622
00:19:51,366 --> 00:19:51,833
DIFFERENT ARENA.

623
00:19:51,833 --> 00:19:53,366
FOR EVERYBODY WHO HAS NOT BEEN

624
00:19:53,366 --> 00:19:55,433
HERE BEFORE, THIS IS A NEW

625
00:19:55,433 --> 00:19:58,566
ROOM, NEW RULES, IT'S A NEW

626
00:19:58,566 --> 00:19:59,266
MONTH.

627
00:19:59,266 --> 00:20:01,200
WE'VE EVEN GOT CUTE STICKERS

628
00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,433
FOR OUR STAFF TO COME IN,

629
00:20:03,433 --> 00:20:04,966
BECAUSE THIS IS IMPEACHMENT,

630
00:20:04,966 --> 00:20:07,333
AND BECAUSE WE'VE DONE SUCH A

631
00:20:07,333 --> 00:20:11,133
TERRIBLE JOB OF IT IN THIS

632
00:20:11,133 --> 00:20:11,633
COMMITTEE BEFORE.

633
00:20:11,633 --> 00:20:13,766
WHAT'S NOT NEW IN THE FACE OF

634
00:20:13,766 --> 00:20:17,700
WHAT'S REITERATED BY THE

635
00:20:17,700 --> 00:20:18,366
CHAIRMAN, IS THE FACT.

636
00:20:18,366 --> 00:20:22,766
IT'S THE SAME SAD STORY.

637
00:20:22,766 --> 00:20:24,733
BEFORE I GET INTO MY OPENING

638
00:20:24,733 --> 00:20:26,800
STATEMENT, WHAT WAS JUST SAID

639
00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:27,433
BY THE CHAIRMAN.

640
00:20:27,433 --> 00:20:31,100
WE WENT BACK TO A REDO OF MR.

641
00:20:31,100 --> 00:20:31,433
MUELLER.

642
00:20:31,433 --> 00:20:33,133
'RE ALSO QUOTING HIM SAYING

643
00:20:33,133 --> 00:20:35,066
THE ATTENTION OF THE AMERICAN

644
00:20:35,066 --> 00:20:37,066
PEOPLE SHOULD BE ON FOREIGN

645
00:20:37,066 --> 00:20:37,500
INTERFERENCE.

646
00:20:37,500 --> 00:20:38,866
I AGREE, BUT I GUESS THE

647
00:20:38,866 --> 00:20:39,500
AMERICAN PEOPLE DID NOT

648
00:20:39,500 --> 00:20:41,200
INCLUDE THE JUDICIARY

649
00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:42,333
COMMITTEE, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T

650
00:20:42,333 --> 00:20:43,000
TAKE IT UP.

651
00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,633
WE DIDN'T HAVE HEARINGS.

652
00:20:45,633 --> 00:20:48,566
WE DIDN'T DEAL DEEPLY INTO

653
00:20:48,566 --> 00:20:48,966
THIS ISSUE.

654
00:20:48,966 --> 00:20:50,700
WE PASSED ELECTION BILLS, BUT

655
00:20:50,700 --> 00:20:52,400
DID NOT GET INTO THE INDEPTH

656
00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,066
PART OF MR. MUELLER'S REPORT.

657
00:20:55,066 --> 00:20:56,133
WE DIDN'T DO IT.

658
00:20:56,133 --> 00:20:58,366
SO I GUESS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

659
00:20:58,366 --> 00:21:01,600
DOESN'T INCLUDE THE HOUSE

660
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:02,133
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE.

661
00:21:02,133 --> 00:21:03,433
YOU KNOW, INTERESTING WE JUST

662
00:21:03,433 --> 00:21:04,766
HEARD AN INTERESTING

663
00:21:04,766 --> 00:21:05,166
DISCUSSION.

664
00:21:05,166 --> 00:21:07,233
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF

665
00:21:07,233 --> 00:21:07,966
INTERESTING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT

666
00:21:07,966 --> 00:21:09,633
THE CONSTITUTION AND OTHER

667
00:21:09,633 --> 00:21:09,966
THINGS.

668
00:21:09,966 --> 00:21:11,533
WE ALSO TALK ABOUT THE

669
00:21:11,533 --> 00:21:11,900
FOUNDERS.

670
00:21:11,900 --> 00:21:12,666
WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THE

671
00:21:12,666 --> 00:21:14,200
CHAIRMAN TALKED ABOUT IT IS

672
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:14,966
FOUNDERS AND THE QUOTES, AND

673
00:21:14,966 --> 00:21:17,700
THIS IS WHY WE HAVE THE

674
00:21:17,700 --> 00:21:19,233
HEARINGS ABOUT THE FOUNDERS

675
00:21:19,233 --> 00:21:20,800
INTERESTED IN FOREIGN

676
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:21,166
INFLUENCE.

677
00:21:21,166 --> 00:21:23,400
BUT THE FOUNDERS CONCERNED

678
00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:24,766
ABOUT POLITICAL IMPEACHMENT.

679
00:21:24,766 --> 00:21:27,266
BECAUSE YOU JUST DON'T LIKE

680
00:21:27,266 --> 00:21:27,600
THE GUY.

681
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,700
YOU DIDN'T LIKE HIM SINCE

682
00:21:30,700 --> 00:21:31,133
NOVEMBER 2016.

683
00:21:31,133 --> 00:21:32,866
THE CHAIRMAN HAS TALKED ABOUT

684
00:21:32,866 --> 00:21:34,866
IMPEACHMENT SINCE LAST YEAR

685
00:21:34,866 --> 00:21:38,033
WHEN HE WAS ELECTED CHAIRMAN

686
00:21:38,033 --> 00:21:40,900
BEFORE HE WAS EVEN SWORN IN AS

687
00:21:40,900 --> 00:21:41,266
CHAIRMAN.

688
00:21:41,266 --> 00:21:42,933
DON'T TELL ME THIS IS ABOUT

689
00:21:42,933 --> 00:21:45,300
NEW EVIDENCE AND NEW STUFF.

690
00:21:45,300 --> 00:21:47,933
WE MAY HAVE A NEW HEARING

691
00:21:47,933 --> 00:21:50,366
ROOM, AND CHAIRS THAT ARE

692
00:21:50,366 --> 00:21:50,766
COMFORTABLE.

693
00:21:50,766 --> 00:21:51,900
BUT THIS IS SAD.

694
00:21:51,900 --> 00:21:53,766
SO WHAT DO WE HAVE HERE TODAY?

695
00:21:53,766 --> 00:21:55,633
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M THINKING?

696
00:21:55,633 --> 00:21:59,400
I LOOKED AT THIS, AND WHAT IS

697
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:00,533
INTERESTING IS THERE'S TWO

698
00:22:00,533 --> 00:22:02,533
THINGS THAT HAVE BECOME VERY

699
00:22:02,533 --> 00:22:02,833
CLEAR.

700
00:22:02,833 --> 00:22:05,133
THIS IMPEACHMENT IS NOT REALLY

701
00:22:05,133 --> 00:22:05,533
ABOUT FACTS.

702
00:22:05,533 --> 00:22:07,766
IF IT WAS THE OTHER COMMITTEES

703
00:22:07,766 --> 00:22:11,433
WOULD HAVE SENT OVER

704
00:22:11,433 --> 00:22:12,800
RECOMMENDATIONS FOR

705
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:13,200
IMPEACHMENT.

706
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,433
NOW THEY SENT IT OVER HERE, SO

707
00:22:15,433 --> 00:22:19,166
THEY CAN BLAME ADAM SCHIFF'S

708
00:22:19,166 --> 00:22:21,700
COMMITTEE IF IT GOES BAD.

709
00:22:21,700 --> 00:22:22,800
THEY'RE DRAFTING ARTICLES.

710
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,633
THEY'RE GETTING READY.

711
00:22:24,633 --> 00:22:30,200
WE'VE WE HAD MUELLER, AND

712
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:30,633
EMBOLIAMENTS.

713
00:22:30,633 --> 00:22:32,900
BUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE CAN

714
00:22:32,900 --> 00:22:33,366
SEE THIS.

715
00:22:33,366 --> 00:22:35,300
YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S

716
00:22:35,300 --> 00:22:35,733
DRIVING THIS.

717
00:22:35,733 --> 00:22:37,133
THE CLOCK AND THE CALENDAR.

718
00:22:37,133 --> 00:22:38,733
THE CLOCK AND THE CALENDAR.

719
00:22:38,733 --> 00:22:40,633
MOST PEOPLE IN LIFE YOU KNOW

720
00:22:40,633 --> 00:22:44,833
WHAT THEY VALUE -- THEIR CHECK

721
00:22:44,833 --> 00:22:46,666
BOOK AND CALENDAR YOU KNOW

722
00:22:46,666 --> 00:22:47,533
WHAT THEY VALUE.

723
00:22:47,533 --> 00:22:48,600
THE COMMITTEE VALUES TIME.

724
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:49,900
THEY WANT TO DO IT BEFORE THE

725
00:22:49,900 --> 00:22:52,233
END OF THE YEAR.

726
00:22:52,233 --> 00:22:52,633
WHY?

727
00:22:52,633 --> 00:22:54,333
BECAUSE WE'RE SCARED OF THE

728
00:22:54,333 --> 00:22:55,166
ELECTIONS NEXT YEAR.

729
00:22:55,166 --> 00:22:56,700
WE'RE SCARED OF THE ELECTIONS

730
00:22:56,700 --> 00:22:58,033
THAT WE'LL LOSE AGAIN.

731
00:22:58,033 --> 00:23:00,733
SO WE'VE GOT TO DO THIS NOW.

732
00:23:00,733 --> 00:23:02,233
THE CLOCK AND THE CALENDAR ARE

733
00:23:02,233 --> 00:23:04,333
DRIVING THE IMPEACHMENT, NOT

734
00:23:04,333 --> 00:23:04,700
THE FACTS.

735
00:23:04,700 --> 00:23:05,733
WHEN WE UNDERSTAND, THAT'S

736
00:23:05,733 --> 00:23:07,433
WHAT THE WITNESSES WILL SAY

737
00:23:07,433 --> 00:23:07,733
TODAY.

738
00:23:07,733 --> 00:23:09,766
WHAT DO WE HAVE HERE TODAY.

739
00:23:09,766 --> 00:23:10,466
WHAT'S INTERESTING FOR TODAY

740
00:23:10,466 --> 00:23:12,333
AND THE NEXT FEW WEEKS IS

741
00:23:12,333 --> 00:23:14,333
AMERICA WILL SEE WHY MOST

742
00:23:14,333 --> 00:23:16,100
PEOPLE DON'T GO TO LAW SCHOOL.

743
00:23:16,100 --> 00:23:22,100
NO OFFENSE TO OUR PROFESSORS.

744
00:23:22,100 --> 00:23:22,866
BUT PLEASE, REALLY?

745
00:23:22,866 --> 00:23:24,433
WE'RE BRINGING YOU IN TO

746
00:23:24,433 --> 00:23:26,700
TESTIFY ABOUT STUFF YOU'VE

747
00:23:26,700 --> 00:23:27,700
ALREADY WRITTEN ABOUT, ALL

748
00:23:27,700 --> 00:23:29,233
FOUR, WITH OPINIONS WE ALREADY

749
00:23:29,233 --> 00:23:31,433
KNOW OUT OF THE CLASSROOMS

750
00:23:31,433 --> 00:23:33,200
THAT YOU'RE GETTING READY FOR

751
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:34,766
FINALS IN, TO DISCUSS THINGS

752
00:23:34,766 --> 00:23:36,733
YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE --

753
00:23:36,733 --> 00:23:38,666
UNLESS YOU'RE GOOD ON TV AND

754
00:23:38,666 --> 00:23:40,666
WATCHING THE HEARINGS, YOU

755
00:23:40,666 --> 00:23:42,400
COULDN'T HAVE POSSIBLY

756
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,266
DIGESTED THE SCHIFF REPORT

757
00:23:44,266 --> 00:23:45,233
FROM YESTERDAY OR THE

758
00:23:45,233 --> 00:23:46,366
REPUBLICAN RESPONSE IN ANY

759
00:23:46,366 --> 00:23:46,633
WAY.

760
00:23:46,633 --> 00:23:52,300
WE CAN BE THEOR RETETICAL, BUT

761
00:23:52,300 --> 00:23:53,600
AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE GOING TO

762
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,400
SAY, WHAT ARE WE DOING.

763
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,933
THERE'S NO FACTS LAID BEFORE

764
00:23:57,933 --> 00:23:58,366
THE COMMITTEE.

765
00:23:58,366 --> 00:23:59,500
THAT'S AN INTERESTING THING.

766
00:23:59,500 --> 00:24:02,000
THERE'S NO PLAN EXCEPT AN

767
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:02,900
AMBIGUOUS HEARING ON THE

768
00:24:02,900 --> 00:24:04,433
PRESENTATION FROM THE OTHER

769
00:24:04,433 --> 00:24:05,833
COMMITTEES TO SEND US THIS

770
00:24:05,833 --> 00:24:07,266
REPORT, AND THE JUDICIARY

771
00:24:07,266 --> 00:24:08,166
COMMITTEE WHICH I'M NOT SURE

772
00:24:08,166 --> 00:24:09,500
WHAT THEY WANT US TO PRESENT

773
00:24:09,500 --> 00:24:11,466
ON, AND NOTHING ELSE.

774
00:24:11,466 --> 00:24:11,800
NO PLAN.

775
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,433
I ASKED THE CHAIRMAN BEFORE WE

776
00:24:13,433 --> 00:24:14,733
LEFT FOR THANKSGIVING TO STAY

777
00:24:14,733 --> 00:24:17,166
IN TOUCH AND TALK ABOUT WHAT

778
00:24:17,166 --> 00:24:19,433
WE HAVE, BECAUSE HISTORY WILL

779
00:24:19,433 --> 00:24:23,400
SHINE A LIGHT ON US STARTING

780
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:23,833
THIS MORNING.

781
00:24:23,833 --> 00:24:24,200
CRICKETS.

782
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,400
I ASKED, AND LET'S SAY THAT

783
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:27,433
DIDN'T GO WELL.

784
00:24:27,433 --> 00:24:28,566
THERE'S NO WHISTLEBLOWER.

785
00:24:28,566 --> 00:24:31,000
AND WE'LL PROVE HE OR SHE IS

786
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,600
NOT AFFORDED THE PROTECTION OF

787
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:33,966
IDENTITY.

788
00:24:33,966 --> 00:24:35,433
THAT'S NOT IN THE STATUTE.

789
00:24:35,433 --> 00:24:39,100
IT'S JUST SOMETHING FROM ADAM

790
00:24:39,100 --> 00:24:39,433
SCHIFF.

791
00:24:39,433 --> 00:24:41,800
WE ALSO DON'T HAVE ADAM SCHIFF

792
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:42,400
WHO WROTE THE REPORT.

793
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,866
HE SAID I'M NOT GOING.

794
00:24:45,866 --> 00:24:49,133
HE SAID I'LL SEND FACTS TO DO

795
00:24:49,133 --> 00:24:49,466
THAT.

796
00:24:49,466 --> 00:24:52,133
IF HE WANTED TO, HE'D COME

797
00:24:52,133 --> 00:24:52,600
BEGGING TO US.

798
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,200
BUT HERE'S THE PROBLEM.

799
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,800
SUMMED UP SIMPLY LIKE THIS.

800
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:03,466
JUST 19 MINUTES AFTER NOON

801
00:25:03,466 --> 00:25:05,866
FROM THE INAUGURATION THEY

802
00:25:05,866 --> 00:25:07,333
BEGAN THE IMPEACHMENT.

803
00:25:07,333 --> 00:25:09,766
THE ATTORNEY TWEETED IN

804
00:25:09,766 --> 00:25:11,466
JANUARY 2017, THE QUEUE

805
00:25:11,466 --> 00:25:13,866
STARTED AND IMPEACHMENT WILL

806
00:25:13,866 --> 00:25:14,366
START IMMEDIATELY.

807
00:25:14,366 --> 00:25:16,533
AND AL GREEN SAYS IF WE DON'T

808
00:25:16,533 --> 00:25:20,366
START THE IMPEACHMENT, HE WILL

809
00:25:20,366 --> 00:25:20,833
GET RE-ELECTED.

810
00:25:20,833 --> 00:25:21,800
WHY DID EVERYTHING I SAY UP TO

811
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,333
THIS POINT ABOUT NO FACT

812
00:25:23,333 --> 00:25:25,633
WITNESSES AND THE JUDICIARY

813
00:25:25,633 --> 00:25:26,633
COMMITTEE COMMENT TWO AND A

814
00:25:26,633 --> 00:25:28,400
HALF WEEKS BEFORE THIS HEARING

815
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:29,833
WAS HELD UNDER CLINTON.

816
00:25:29,833 --> 00:25:31,433
TWO AND A HALF WEEKS WE DIDN'T

817
00:25:31,433 --> 00:25:33,200
FIND OUT YOUR NAMES UNTIL LESS

818
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:34,966
THAN 48 HOURS AGO.

819
00:25:34,966 --> 00:25:36,733
I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE PLAYING

820
00:25:36,733 --> 00:25:38,933
HIDE THE BALL ON THIS.

821
00:25:38,933 --> 00:25:40,866
WE CAN'T EVEN GET THAT

822
00:25:40,866 --> 00:25:41,233
STRAIGHT.

823
00:25:41,233 --> 00:25:42,966
WHAT ARE WE DOING FOR TWO

824
00:25:42,966 --> 00:25:43,433
WEEKS?

825
00:25:43,433 --> 00:25:46,400
I HAVE NO IDEA, THE CHAIRMAN

826
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,666
JUST STADE SOMETHING ABOUT AN

827
00:25:49,666 --> 00:25:50,166
AMBIGUOUS REPORT.

828
00:25:50,166 --> 00:25:52,200
WE ARE THE RUBBER STAMP HIDING

829
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:52,566
OUT BACK.

830
00:25:52,566 --> 00:25:53,933
THE RUBBER STAMP THE CHAIRMAN

831
00:25:53,933 --> 00:25:55,333
TALKED ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO.

832
00:25:55,333 --> 00:25:58,000
WHAT A DISGRACE TO THIS

833
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,433
COMMITTEE, TO HAVE THE

834
00:25:59,433 --> 00:26:02,466
COMMITTEE OF IMPEACHMENT TAKE

835
00:26:02,466 --> 00:26:05,433
FROM OTHER ENTITIES AND RUBBER

836
00:26:05,433 --> 00:26:05,800
STAMP IT.

837
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,733
YOU SAY WHY DO THE THINGS I

838
00:26:07,733 --> 00:26:09,566
SAY MATTER ABOUT FACT

839
00:26:09,566 --> 00:26:11,033
WITNESSES AND DOING DUE

840
00:26:11,033 --> 00:26:12,100
PROCESS, BECAUSE BIECH THE

841
00:26:12,100 --> 00:26:17,633
WAY, A COUPLE MONTHS AGO THE

842
00:26:17,633 --> 00:26:18,633
DEMOCRATS GOT DRESSED UP, AND

843
00:26:18,633 --> 00:26:20,566
SAID WE'RE GOING TO HAVE

844
00:26:20,566 --> 00:26:21,333
FAIRNESS THROUGHOUT THIS.

845
00:26:21,333 --> 00:26:23,100
THIS IS THE ONLY COMMITTEE THE

846
00:26:23,100 --> 00:26:26,500
PRESIDENT WOULD HAVE A

847
00:26:26,500 --> 00:26:27,433
POSSIBILITY, AND NO OFFENSE TO

848
00:26:27,433 --> 00:26:28,500
THE LAW PROFESSORS.

849
00:26:28,500 --> 00:26:29,866
THE PRESIDENT HAS NOTHING TO

850
00:26:29,866 --> 00:26:31,066
ASK YOU.

851
00:26:31,066 --> 00:26:32,566
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PROVIDE

852
00:26:32,566 --> 00:26:34,166
ANYTHING HE CAN'T READ.

853
00:26:34,166 --> 00:26:35,866
HIS ATTORNEYS HAVE NOTHING

854
00:26:35,866 --> 00:26:36,166
ELSE.

855
00:26:36,166 --> 00:26:37,633
PUT WITNESSES IN HERE THAT CAN

856
00:26:37,633 --> 00:26:41,033
BE FACT WITNESSES AND ACTUALLY

857
00:26:41,033 --> 00:26:41,566
COxá*LS EXAMINED.

858
00:26:41,566 --> 00:26:42,033
THAT'S FAIRNESS.

859
00:26:42,033 --> 00:26:43,833
AND EVERY ATTORNEY ON THIS

860
00:26:43,833 --> 00:26:44,433
PANEL KNOWS THIS.

861
00:26:44,433 --> 00:26:46,766
S THIS A SHAM.

862
00:26:46,766 --> 00:26:49,766
AND ALSO WHAT I SEE HERE IS

863
00:26:49,766 --> 00:26:50,366
LIKE THIS.

864
00:26:50,366 --> 00:26:52,333
THERE MUST NEVER BE AN

865
00:26:52,333 --> 00:26:54,066
IMPEACHMENT SUPPORTED BY ONE

866
00:26:54,066 --> 00:26:55,766
MAJOR POLITICAL PARTY, , AND

867
00:26:55,766 --> 00:26:58,933
SUCH AN IMPEACHMENT WILL

868
00:26:58,933 --> 00:26:59,600
PRODUCE DEVICEIVENESS, FOR

869
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,466
YEARS TO COME, AND CALL INTO

870
00:27:03,466 --> 00:27:05,533
QUESTION THE LEGITIMACY OF THE

871
00:27:05,533 --> 00:27:05,933
INSTITUTION.

872
00:27:05,933 --> 00:27:08,266
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE

873
00:27:08,266 --> 00:27:08,600
ASKING.

874
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,533
AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE

875
00:27:10,533 --> 00:27:13,100
LEGITIMACY OF A CONSTITUTIONAL

876
00:27:13,100 --> 00:27:13,500
IMPERATIVE.

877
00:27:13,500 --> 00:27:25,533
THE PARTISAN COUP WILL GO

878
00:27:25,533 --> 00:27:25,933
DOWN.

879
00:27:25,933 --> 00:27:27,433
THE NO FAIR PROCEDURE, TODAY

880
00:27:27,433 --> 00:27:29,166
WHEN THE DEMOCRATS OFFERED

881
00:27:29,166 --> 00:27:29,866
AMENDMENTS THEY OFFERED

882
00:27:29,866 --> 00:27:32,300
MOTIONS TO SAY WE SHOULD FIRST

883
00:27:32,300 --> 00:27:34,066
ADOPT STANDARDS TO KNOW WHAT

884
00:27:34,066 --> 00:27:34,700
WE'RE DEALING WITH.

885
00:27:34,700 --> 00:27:35,766
THE STANDARD OF IMPEACHMENT

886
00:27:35,766 --> 00:27:37,266
WAS RULED OUT OF ORDER.

887
00:27:37,266 --> 00:27:38,866
WHEN WE SAY THE IMPORTANT

888
00:27:38,866 --> 00:27:40,366
THING IS TO LOOK AT THE

889
00:27:40,366 --> 00:27:42,400
QUESTION BEFORE A VOTE THAT

890
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,766
WAS VOTED DOWN AND RULED OUT

891
00:27:44,766 --> 00:27:45,166
OF ORDER.

892
00:27:45,166 --> 00:27:47,366
THE WHOLE QUESTION OF WHAT

893
00:27:47,366 --> 00:27:49,133
MATERIALS SHOULD BE RELEASED

894
00:27:49,133 --> 00:27:49,866
IS SECONDARY.

895
00:27:49,866 --> 00:27:50,466
THAT'S ALL WE DISCUSSED.

896
00:27:50,466 --> 00:27:52,433
THE QUESTION IS TO SET UP A

897
00:27:52,433 --> 00:27:54,833
FAIR PROCESS AS TO WHETHER TO

898
00:27:54,833 --> 00:27:59,433
PUT THE COUNTRY THROUGH AN

899
00:27:59,433 --> 00:28:00,100
IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDING.

900
00:28:00,100 --> 00:28:01,766
THE REPUBLICANS REFUSEED TO

901
00:28:01,766 --> 00:28:02,800
LET US DISCUSS IT.

902
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:07,466
THAT WAS CHAIRMAN NADLER 20

903
00:28:07,466 --> 00:28:07,900
YEARS AGO.

904
00:28:07,900 --> 00:28:12,133
WE'RE HAVING A FACTLESS

905
00:28:12,133 --> 00:28:12,533
IMPEACHMENT.

906
00:28:12,533 --> 00:28:14,133
TODAY WE WILL PRESENT THE

907
00:28:14,133 --> 00:28:16,766
OTHER SIDE, WHICH HE

908
00:28:16,766 --> 00:28:17,666
CONVENIENTLY LEFT OUT.

909
00:28:17,666 --> 00:28:19,366
REMEMBER FAIRNESS DOES DICTATE

910
00:28:19,366 --> 00:28:20,500
THAT, BUT MAYBE NOT HERE,

911
00:28:20,500 --> 00:28:22,666
BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SCHEDULING

912
00:28:22,666 --> 00:28:23,100
ANYTHING ELSE.

913
00:28:23,100 --> 00:28:25,300
I HAVE A DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY

914
00:28:25,300 --> 00:28:27,933
WHO HAS POLL TESTED WHAT THEY

915
00:28:27,933 --> 00:28:29,566
THINK THEY SHOULD CALL WHAT

916
00:28:29,566 --> 00:28:30,333
THE PRESIDENT DID.

917
00:28:30,333 --> 00:28:32,666
THAT'S NOT FOLLOWING THE

918
00:28:32,666 --> 00:28:32,966
FACTS.

919
00:28:32,966 --> 00:28:35,166
WE HAVE JUST A DEEP SEATED

920
00:28:35,166 --> 00:28:36,933
HATRED OF A MAN WHO CAME TO

921
00:28:36,933 --> 00:28:38,900
THE WHITE HOUSE AND DID WHAT

922
00:28:38,900 --> 00:28:40,900
HE SAID WE HE WOULD DO.

923
00:28:40,900 --> 00:28:42,633
THE MOST AMAZING QUESTION I

924
00:28:42,633 --> 00:28:44,966
GOT IN THE FIRST THREE MONTHS

925
00:28:44,966 --> 00:28:46,366
OF THE PRESIDENCY FROM

926
00:28:46,366 --> 00:28:47,866
REPORTERS IS CAN YOU BELIEVE

927
00:28:47,866 --> 00:28:49,866
HE'S PUTTING FORWARD THOSE

928
00:28:49,866 --> 00:28:50,166
IDEAS.

929
00:28:50,166 --> 00:28:52,500
I SAID YES, HE RAN ON THEM.

930
00:28:52,500 --> 00:28:54,833
HE TOLD THE TRUTH AND DID WHAT

931
00:28:54,833 --> 00:28:55,166
HE SAID.

932
00:28:55,166 --> 00:28:56,700
THE PROBLEM HERE TODAY IS THIS

933
00:28:56,700 --> 00:29:00,233
WILL ALSO BE ONE OF THE FIRST

934
00:29:00,233 --> 00:29:01,900
IMPEACHMENTS -- THE CHAIRMAN

935
00:29:01,900 --> 00:29:02,900
MECHXZED TWO OF AM THIS.

936
00:29:02,900 --> 00:29:05,100
ONE BEFORE HE RESIGNED, AND

937
00:29:05,100 --> 00:29:06,633
ONE WITH CLINTON, AND THE

938
00:29:06,633 --> 00:29:08,366
FACTS THAT DEMOCRATS AND

939
00:29:08,366 --> 00:29:11,466
REPUBLICANS THE FACTS AREN'T

940
00:29:11,466 --> 00:29:11,833
DISPUTED.

941
00:29:11,833 --> 00:29:13,666
IN THIS THEY'RE DISPUTED.

942
00:29:13,666 --> 00:29:15,466
THERE ARE NO SET FACTS HERE.

943
00:29:15,466 --> 00:29:17,633
IN FACT, THERE'S NOT ANYTHING

944
00:29:17,633 --> 00:29:19,466
THAT PRESENTS AN IMPEACHMENT

945
00:29:19,466 --> 00:29:21,333
HERE EXCEPT A PRESIDENT

946
00:29:21,333 --> 00:29:22,633
CARRYING OUT HIS JOB IN THE

947
00:29:22,633 --> 00:29:24,866
WAY THE CONSTITUTION SEES FIT

948
00:29:24,866 --> 00:29:26,133
HE SEES TO DO IT.

949
00:29:26,133 --> 00:29:28,433
THIS IS WHERE WE ARE AT TODAY.

950
00:29:28,433 --> 00:29:29,700
THE INTERESTING THING WITH

951
00:29:29,700 --> 00:29:30,766
MOST EVERYBODY HERE IS THIS

952
00:29:30,766 --> 00:29:33,200
MAY BE A NEW TIME AND PLACE

953
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,166
AND WE MAY BE SCRUBBED UP AND

954
00:29:35,166 --> 00:29:36,466
LOOKING GOOD FOR IMPEACHMENT.

955
00:29:36,466 --> 00:29:38,000
THIS IS OBJECT AN IMPEACHMENT.

956
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,600
THIS IS A RAILROAD JOB.

957
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,766
AND TODAY IT'S A WASTE OF

958
00:29:41,766 --> 00:29:43,600
TIME, BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE

959
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:43,966
WE'RE AT.

960
00:29:43,966 --> 00:29:45,933
SO I CLOSE WITH THIS.

961
00:29:45,933 --> 00:29:47,666
IT DIDN'T START WITH A PHONE

962
00:29:47,666 --> 00:29:47,966
CALL.

963
00:29:47,966 --> 00:29:50,966
YOU KNOW WHERE THIS STARTED.

964
00:29:50,966 --> 00:29:54,833
IT STARTED IN NOVEMBER 2016,

965
00:29:54,833 --> 00:29:55,400
WITH THE ELECTION.

966
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,500
WE'RE HERE, NO PLANS, NO FACT

967
00:29:58,500 --> 00:29:58,866
WITNESSES.

968
00:29:58,866 --> 00:30:00,800
SIMPLY RUBBER STAMPED FOR WHAT

969
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:01,133
WE HAVE.

970
00:30:01,133 --> 00:30:02,900
HEY, WE'VE GOT LAW PROFESSORS

971
00:30:02,900 --> 00:30:03,200
HERE.

972
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,333
WHAT A START OF A PARTY.

973
00:30:05,333 --> 00:30:07,033
MR. CHAIRMAN, BEFORE I YIELD

974
00:30:07,033 --> 00:30:07,333
BACK.

975
00:30:07,333 --> 00:30:14,333
I HAVE A MOTION UNDER CLAUSE 2

976
00:30:14,333 --> 00:30:14,666
RULE 11.

977
00:30:14,666 --> 00:30:16,233
>> THE GENTLEMAN WAS ROITZED

978
00:30:16,233 --> 00:30:17,500
FOR THE PURPOSE OF OPENING

979
00:30:17,500 --> 00:30:18,866
STATEMENT, NOT FOR THE PURPOSE

980
00:30:18,866 --> 00:30:20,166
OF MAKING A MOTION.

981
00:30:20,166 --> 00:30:23,233
I YIELD BACK AND ASK FOR BE

982
00:30:23,233 --> 00:30:23,833
RECOGNIZED FOR A MOTION.

983
00:30:23,833 --> 00:30:26,033
>> THE GENTLEMAN IS

984
00:30:26,033 --> 00:30:26,433
RECOGNIZED.

985
00:30:26,433 --> 00:30:28,533
>> I MOVE TO REQUIRE THE

986
00:30:28,533 --> 00:30:30,033
ATTENDANCE AND TESTIMONY OF

987
00:30:30,033 --> 00:30:31,400
CHAIRMAN SCHIFF BEFORE THIS

988
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,400
COMMITTEE AND TRANSMIT THIS

989
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,033
LETTER ACCORDINGLY.

990
00:30:37,033 --> 00:30:40,233
>> FOR WHAT PURPOSES DOES THE

991
00:30:40,233 --> 00:30:40,833
LADY SEEK RECOGNITION.

992
00:30:40,833 --> 00:30:43,300
MOTION IS TABLED AND NOT

993
00:30:43,300 --> 00:30:43,700
DEBATEABLE.

994
00:30:43,700 --> 00:30:46,300
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY

995
00:30:46,300 --> 00:30:47,066
AYE.

996
00:30:47,066 --> 00:30:50,500
>> THE MOTION'S TABLE IS

997
00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:51,033
AGREED TO.

998
00:30:51,033 --> 00:30:55,366
THE CLERK WILL CALL.

999
00:30:55,366 --> 00:30:56,666
>> PARLIAMENTARY REQUIREMENT.

1000
00:30:56,666 --> 00:30:58,433
>> YOU'RE NOT RECOGNIZED AT

1001
00:30:58,433 --> 00:30:58,800
THIS TIME.

1002
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,366
A VOTE IS IN PROCESS.

1003
00:31:00,366 --> 00:31:04,466
>> JUST TO REMIND -- CHAIRMAN

1004
00:31:04,466 --> 00:31:07,433
SCHIFF IS COMING, CORRECT?

1005
00:31:07,433 --> 00:31:11,433
>> THE ROLL.

1006
00:31:11,433 --> 00:31:12,566
>> MR. NADLER.

1007
00:31:12,566 --> 00:31:13,333
AYE.

1008
00:31:13,333 --> 00:31:15,433
>> MISS JACKSON VOTES AYE.

1009
00:31:15,433 --> 00:31:19,400
>> MR. COHEN VOTES AYE.

1010
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:20,200
MR. JOHNSON.

1011
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:21,866
GEORGIA VOTES AYE.

1012
00:31:21,866 --> 00:31:24,766
>> MR. DEUTSCH SAITZ AYE.

1013
00:31:24,766 --> 00:31:27,200
MR. RICHMOND VOTES YES.

1014
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,400
MR. JEFFERIES VOTES AYE.

1015
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,033
MISS SIS LEANY VOTES AYE.

1016
00:31:34,033 --> 00:31:34,866
>> MR. LOU.

1017
00:31:34,866 --> 00:31:37,300
>> MR. LOU VOTES EYE.

1018
00:31:37,300 --> 00:31:45,366
>> MR. RASKIN VOTES AYE.

1019
00:31:45,366 --> 00:31:47,800
>> MISS CORREA VOTES AYE.

1020
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,400
>> MISS GARCIA VOTES AYE.

1021
00:31:51,400 --> 00:32:00,666
>> MR. STANTON VOTES AYE.

1022
00:32:00,666 --> 00:32:01,733
>> VOTING AYE.

1023
00:32:01,733 --> 00:32:03,433
>> MR. ESCOBAR VOTES AYE.

1024
00:32:03,433 --> 00:32:04,666
>> MR. COLLINS.

1025
00:32:04,666 --> 00:32:05,233
>> NO.

1026
00:32:05,233 --> 00:32:07,066
>> MR. COLLINS NO.

1027
00:32:07,066 --> 00:32:08,733
MR. SENSENBRENNER VOTES NO.

1028
00:32:08,733 --> 00:32:11,433
>> MR. CHAVEZ VOTES NO.

1029
00:32:11,433 --> 00:32:15,033
>> MR. GOMER VOTES NO.

1030
00:32:15,033 --> 00:32:21,566
>> MR. BUCK VOTES NO.

1031
00:32:21,566 --> 00:32:23,600
>> MR. GATES VOTES NO.

1032
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,733
MR. JOHNSON OF LOUISIANA VOTES

1033
00:32:26,733 --> 00:32:27,433
NO.

1034
00:32:27,433 --> 00:32:29,833
>> MR. BIGGS VOTES NO.

1035
00:32:29,833 --> 00:32:34,600
>> MR. MACLINTON.

1036
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:35,400
NO.

1037
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,400
>> MR. RESTENTHALER VOTES NO.

1038
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:42,600
>> MR. ARMSTRONG VOTES NO.

1039
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:47,400
>> MR. STUBEY VOTES NO.

1040
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:48,233
>> EVERYONE VOTE.

1041
00:32:48,233 --> 00:32:53,566
HAS EVERYONE VOTED WHO WISHED

1042
00:32:53,566 --> 00:32:53,900
TO VOTE.

1043
00:32:53,900 --> 00:32:55,900
>> MISS BASS SAYS AYE.

1044
00:32:55,900 --> 00:32:57,666
>> CLERK WILL REPORT.

1045
00:32:57,666 --> 00:32:59,800
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, THERE ARE 24

1046
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,866
AYES AND 17 NOS.

1047
00:33:01,866 --> 00:33:03,733
>> THE MOTION TO TABLE IS

1048
00:33:03,733 --> 00:33:04,100
AGREED TO.

1049
00:33:04,100 --> 00:33:07,433
>> MR. CHAIRMAN I HAVE A

1050
00:33:07,433 --> 00:33:08,000
PARLIAMENTARY INQUIRY.

1051
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,133
>> GENTLEMAN WILL STATE HIS

1052
00:33:11,133 --> 00:33:11,700
PARLIAMENTARY INQUIRY.

1053
00:33:11,700 --> 00:33:12,133
>> THANK YOU.

1054
00:33:12,133 --> 00:33:14,900
>> CLAUSE C 2 OF THE

1055
00:33:14,900 --> 00:33:15,666
IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS STATES

1056
00:33:15,666 --> 00:33:18,366
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE CAN

1057
00:33:18,366 --> 00:33:20,166
RAISE OBJECTIONS RELATED TO

1058
00:33:20,166 --> 00:33:21,533
THE ADMISSIBILITY OF TESTIMONY

1059
00:33:21,533 --> 00:33:21,933
IN EVIDENCE.

1060
00:33:21,933 --> 00:33:25,700
IT DOESN'T SAY WHAT RULES

1061
00:33:25,700 --> 00:33:26,466
APPLY TO ADMISSIBILITY.

1062
00:33:26,466 --> 00:33:28,000
CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE OBJECTIONS

1063
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:29,700
WHICH CAN BE MADE UNDER THE

1064
00:33:29,700 --> 00:33:31,100
CLAUSE, AND IF YOU INTEND TO

1065
00:33:31,100 --> 00:33:33,133
USE THE FEDERAL RULES OF

1066
00:33:33,133 --> 00:33:33,500
EVIDENCE.

1067
00:33:33,500 --> 00:33:34,966
>> THE GENTLEMAN -- THIS IS

1068
00:33:34,966 --> 00:33:36,966
NOT A PROPER INQUIRY.

1069
00:33:36,966 --> 00:33:38,533
>> IT IS PROPER.

1070
00:33:38,533 --> 00:33:41,800
I STATED THE RULE, MR.

1071
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:42,166
CHAIRMAN.

1072
00:33:42,166 --> 00:33:43,766
YOU CAN IGNORE IT, BUT YOU

1073
00:33:43,766 --> 00:33:47,400
CAN'T SAY IT'S WANT PROPER.

1074
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,033
>> WE WILL APPLY THE RULES,

1075
00:33:50,033 --> 00:33:50,366
PERIOD.

1076
00:33:50,366 --> 00:33:53,100
>> YOU WON'T HELP US

1077
00:33:53,100 --> 00:33:53,833
UNDERSTAND THEM?

1078
00:33:53,833 --> 00:33:57,533
>> THERE'S NO CLARITY HERE.

1079
00:33:57,533 --> 00:33:59,500
NOW ARE YOU

1080
00:33:59,500 --> 00:34:03,466
>> CLAUSE 2 OF THE IMPEACHMENT

1081
00:34:03,466 --> 00:34:04,000
INQUIRY PROCEEDINGS.

1082
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,233
>> I WOULD --

1083
00:34:05,233 --> 00:34:07,066
>> HOW IS THAT UNCLEAR.

1084
00:34:07,066 --> 00:34:08,533
>> IT'S THE RULES OF THE

1085
00:34:08,533 --> 00:34:11,433
HOUSE, AND THEY WILL BE

1086
00:34:11,433 --> 00:34:11,900
APPLIED, PERIOD.

1087
00:34:11,900 --> 00:34:15,233
>> I'M ASKING HOW WILL THEY BE

1088
00:34:15,233 --> 00:34:15,566
APPLIED.

1089
00:34:15,566 --> 00:34:17,066
>> APPLIED ACCORDING TO THE

1090
00:34:17,066 --> 00:34:17,366
RULES.

1091
00:34:17,366 --> 00:34:19,533
>> BUT NOT ANSWERING THE

1092
00:34:19,533 --> 00:34:19,900
QUESTION.

1093
00:34:19,900 --> 00:34:22,366
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN YOU

1094
00:34:22,366 --> 00:34:24,133
PLEASE ALSO REITERATE THE

1095
00:34:24,133 --> 00:34:26,100
SCHEDULE GOING FORWARD FOR

1096
00:34:26,100 --> 00:34:26,633
ADDITIONAL HEARINGS.

1097
00:34:26,633 --> 00:34:27,966
>> THE GENTLEMAN WILL SUSPEND.

1098
00:34:27,966 --> 00:34:33,900
THAT IS NOT A PROPER

1099
00:34:33,900 --> 00:34:34,466
PARLIAMENTLY INQUIRY.

1100
00:34:34,466 --> 00:34:35,500
>> ALL OPENINGS STATEMENTS

1101
00:34:35,500 --> 00:34:38,700
WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE

1102
00:34:38,700 --> 00:34:39,033
RECORD.

1103
00:34:39,033 --> 00:34:41,133
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I SEEK

1104
00:34:41,133 --> 00:34:41,666
RECOGNITION.

1105
00:34:41,666 --> 00:34:43,433
>> THE GENTLEMAN -- I AM NOT

1106
00:34:43,433 --> 00:34:45,600
GOING TO RECOGNIZE YOU NOW.

1107
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,766
I AM INTRODUCING THE

1108
00:34:48,766 --> 00:34:49,133
WITNESSES.

1109
00:34:49,133 --> 00:34:51,333
NOAH FELDMAN IS A PROFESSOR AT

1110
00:34:51,333 --> 00:34:52,200
HARVARD LAW SCHOOL.

1111
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,166
MR. FELDMAN HAS AUTHORED SEVEN

1112
00:34:54,166 --> 00:34:56,133
BOOKS INCLUDING A BIOGRAPHY OF

1113
00:34:56,133 --> 00:34:57,633
JAMES MADISON AND A

1114
00:34:57,633 --> 00:34:59,400
CONSTITUTIONAL LAW CASE BOOK,

1115
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,466
AS WELL AS MANY ARTICLES ON

1116
00:35:03,466 --> 00:35:06,733
CONSTITUTIONAL SUBJECTS.

1117
00:35:06,733 --> 00:35:09,333
PROFESSOR FELDMAN HAS A

1118
00:35:09,333 --> 00:35:10,066
DOCTORATE DEGREE FROM OXFORD,

1119
00:35:10,066 --> 00:35:13,300
AND IS A RHODES SCHOLAR AND A

1120
00:35:13,300 --> 00:35:15,933
JD FROM YALE LAW SCHOOL.

1121
00:35:15,933 --> 00:35:20,233
AND ALMS SERVED AS A CLERK TO

1122
00:35:20,233 --> 00:35:21,000
JUSTICE SUTER.

1123
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,866
> PAMELA CARLIN SERVED AS A

1124
00:35:23,866 --> 00:35:25,133
MONTGOMERY PROFESSOR OF LAW,

1125
00:35:25,133 --> 00:35:29,133
AND THE CODE DIRECTOR OF THE

1126
00:35:29,133 --> 00:35:30,900
THE SUPREME AT STANFORD.

1127
00:35:30,900 --> 00:35:33,233
THE CO-AUTHOR OF SEVERAL BOOKS

1128
00:35:33,233 --> 00:35:34,800
INCLUDING A BOOK ENTITLED

1129
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,366
KEEPING FAITH WITH THE

1130
00:35:36,366 --> 00:35:38,433
CONSTITUTION, AND DOZENS OF

1131
00:35:38,433 --> 00:35:38,966
SCHOLARLY ARTICLES.

1132
00:35:38,966 --> 00:35:41,833
SHE SERVED AS A LAW CLERK TO

1133
00:35:41,833 --> 00:35:42,466
JUSTICE BLACKBURN OF THE

1134
00:35:42,466 --> 00:35:43,133
UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT

1135
00:35:43,133 --> 00:35:44,700
AND IS A DEPUTY ASSISTANT

1136
00:35:44,700 --> 00:35:46,233
ATTORNEY GENERAL IN A CIVIL

1137
00:35:46,233 --> 00:35:47,400
RIGHTS DIVISION OF THE UNITED

1138
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:48,600
STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

1139
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,400
WHERE SHE WAS RESPONSIBLE

1140
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,433
AMONG OTHER THINGS, FOR

1141
00:35:53,433 --> 00:35:55,400
REVIEWING THE WORK OF THE

1142
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:56,766
DEPARTMENT VOTING SEBLGTOR.

1143
00:35:56,766 --> 00:35:59,433
THREE DEGREES FROM VEIL.

1144
00:35:59,433 --> 00:36:02,733
A B.A. IS HISTORY, AND A JD

1145
00:36:02,733 --> 00:36:05,900
FROM YALE LAW SCHOOL.

1146
00:36:05,900 --> 00:36:08,000
MICHAEL GERHARD IS A

1147
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,000
DISTINGUISHED PROFESSOR AT THE

1148
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,100
UNIVERSITY OF NORTH CAROLINA

1149
00:36:11,100 --> 00:36:14,600
LAW SCHOOL, AND LAW AND

1150
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:15,000
GOVERNMENT.

1151
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,766
PROFESSOR GARHART IS THE

1152
00:36:16,766 --> 00:36:19,233
AUTHOR OF SEVERAL BOOKS

1153
00:36:19,233 --> 00:36:20,600
INCLUDING IMPEACHMENT PROCESS

1154
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:27,166
AND CONSTITUTIONAL HISTORICAL

1155
00:36:27,166 --> 00:36:28,166
ANALYSIS, FEDERAL

1156
00:36:28,166 --> 00:36:30,500
JURISDICTION, AND THE

1157
00:36:30,500 --> 00:36:31,033
LEGISLATIVE PROCESS.

1158
00:36:31,033 --> 00:36:33,033
HE RECEIVED A J.D. FROM THE

1159
00:36:33,033 --> 00:36:35,266
LAW SCHOOL, AND M.S. FROM THE

1160
00:36:35,266 --> 00:36:37,200
LONDON SCHOOL OF ECONOMICS AND

1161
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:42,000
THE B.A. FROM YAxá*IL

1162
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,866
UNIVERSITY.

1163
00:36:44,866 --> 00:36:47,433
JONATHAN TURLEY IS A CHAIRMAN

1164
00:36:47,433 --> 00:36:51,433
OF LAW AT GOERGETOWN.

1165
00:36:51,433 --> 00:36:56,333
AND TEACHES PROCEDURES AND

1166
00:36:56,333 --> 00:36:56,866
CONSTITUTIONAL LAW.

1167
00:36:56,866 --> 00:36:58,166
PROFESSOR TURLEY JOINED THE

1168
00:36:58,166 --> 00:37:01,500
LAW FACULTY IN 1990, AND 1998

1169
00:37:01,500 --> 00:37:03,266
BECAME THE YOUNGEST PROFESSOR

1170
00:37:03,266 --> 00:37:04,800
IN THE SCHOOL'S HISTORY.

1171
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,466
HE HAS WRITTEN THREE DOZEN

1172
00:37:07,466 --> 00:37:08,733
ACADEMIC ARTICLES FOR A

1173
00:37:08,733 --> 00:37:11,400
VARIETY OF LAW SCHOOLS, LAW

1174
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,600
JOURNALS, AND LEGAL AND POLICY

1175
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,866
ISSUES APPEAR FREQUENTLY IN

1176
00:37:17,866 --> 00:37:18,433
NATIONAL PUBLICATIONS.

1177
00:37:18,433 --> 00:37:19,466
PFS TURLEY EARNED DEGREES FROM

1178
00:37:19,466 --> 00:37:21,733
THE UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO AND

1179
00:37:21,733 --> 00:37:22,900
NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY SCHOOL

1180
00:37:22,900 --> 00:37:23,233
OF LAW.

1181
00:37:23,233 --> 00:37:24,600
WE WELCOME ALL THE

1182
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:25,433
DISTINGUISHED WITNESSES AND

1183
00:37:25,433 --> 00:37:27,466
THANK THEM FOR PARTICIPATING

1184
00:37:27,466 --> 00:37:28,200
IN TODAY'S HEARING.

1185
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,033
NOW IF YOU WOULD PLEASE RISE,

1186
00:37:30,033 --> 00:37:35,366
I WILL BEGIN BY SWEARING YOU

1187
00:37:35,366 --> 00:37:35,666
IN.

1188
00:37:35,666 --> 00:37:37,700
>> DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM

1189
00:37:37,700 --> 00:37:39,433
UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY THAT

1190
00:37:39,433 --> 00:37:40,500
THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO

1191
00:37:40,500 --> 00:37:42,033
GIVE IS TRUE AND CORRECT TO

1192
00:37:42,033 --> 00:37:44,233
THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE,

1193
00:37:44,233 --> 00:37:47,666
INFORMATION AND BELIEF SO HELP

1194
00:37:47,666 --> 00:37:48,000
YOU GOD?

1195
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,733
LET THE RECORD SHOW THE

1196
00:37:49,733 --> 00:37:53,633
WITNESSES ANSWERED IN THE

1197
00:37:53,633 --> 00:37:54,033
ATIRMATIVE.

1198
00:37:54,033 --> 00:37:55,000
PLEASE BEET ZOOED.

1199
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,100
EACH OF YOUR WRITTEN

1200
00:37:56,100 --> 00:37:57,200
STATEMENTS WILL BE ENTERED

1201
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:58,533
INTO THE RECORD IN ENTIRETY.

1202
00:37:58,533 --> 00:38:01,000
I ASK YOU SUMMARIZE YOUR

1203
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,300
TESTIMONY IN 10 MINUTES.

1204
00:38:02,300 --> 00:38:04,100
TO HELP YOU STAY WITHIN THAT

1205
00:38:04,100 --> 00:38:05,900
TIME THERE'S A TIMING LIGHT ON

1206
00:38:05,900 --> 00:38:06,900
THE TABLE.

1207
00:38:06,900 --> 00:38:08,500
WHEN IT SWITCHES FROM GREEN

1208
00:38:08,500 --> 00:38:11,666
TO YELLOW YOU HAVE ONE MINUTE

1209
00:38:11,666 --> 00:38:12,066
TO CONCLUDE.

1210
00:38:12,066 --> 00:38:16,100
WHEN IT'S RED, IT SIGNALS 10

1211
00:38:16,100 --> 00:38:16,833
MINUTES EXPIRED.

1212
00:38:16,833 --> 00:38:19,466
PROFESSOR FELDMAN, YOU MAY

1213
00:38:19,466 --> 00:38:24,633
BEGIN.

1214
00:38:24,633 --> 00:38:27,000
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, BEFORE WE

1215
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:27,333
GET --

1216
00:38:27,333 --> 00:38:28,366
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, AND MEMBERS

1217
00:38:28,366 --> 00:38:30,033
OF THE COMMITTEE, I HAVE A

1218
00:38:30,033 --> 00:38:30,366
MOTION.

1219
00:38:30,366 --> 00:38:31,866
>> THE GENTLEMAN IS NOT IN

1220
00:38:31,866 --> 00:38:33,900
ORDER TO OFFER A MOTION.

1221
00:38:33,900 --> 00:38:35,433
>> MR. CHAIRMAN I SEEK

1222
00:38:35,433 --> 00:38:38,333
RECOGNITION FOR A PRIVILEGE

1223
00:38:38,333 --> 00:38:38,666
MOTION.

1224
00:38:38,666 --> 00:38:39,900
MR. CHAIRMAN, AND MEMBERS OF

1225
00:38:39,900 --> 00:38:41,866
THE COMMITTEE, THANK YOU FOR

1226
00:38:41,866 --> 00:38:45,166
THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPEAR.

1227
00:38:45,166 --> 00:38:45,833
I'M NOAH FELDMAN.

1228
00:38:45,833 --> 00:38:47,466
>> THE WITNESS WILL PROCEED.

1229
00:38:47,466 --> 00:38:48,866
>> I SERVE AS A PROFESSOR OF

1230
00:38:48,866 --> 00:38:51,100
LAW AT THE HARVARD LAW SCHOOL.

1231
00:38:51,100 --> 00:38:53,266
>> I SEEK RECOGNITION.

1232
00:38:53,266 --> 00:38:55,233
>> THE GENTLEMAN WILL SUSPEND.

1233
00:38:55,233 --> 00:38:57,966
THE TIME IS THE WITNESS'S.

1234
00:38:57,966 --> 00:39:02,766
>> PRIVILEGE MOTION NEEDS TO

1235
00:39:02,766 --> 00:39:03,200
BE RECOGNIZED.

1236
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,766
>> IN BETWEEN WITNESSES.

1237
00:39:05,766 --> 00:39:08,300
NOT ONCE A RECOGNIZE A

1238
00:39:08,300 --> 00:39:08,633
WITNESS.

1239
00:39:08,633 --> 00:39:09,500
WE'LL ENTERTAIN THE MOTION

1240
00:39:09,500 --> 00:39:10,766
AFTER THE FIRST WITNESS.

1241
00:39:10,766 --> 00:39:14,933
>> MY JOB IS TO STUDY AND

1242
00:39:14,933 --> 00:39:16,300
TEACH CONSTITUTION FROM THE

1243
00:39:16,300 --> 00:39:17,333
ORIGINS TO THE PRESENT.

1244
00:39:17,333 --> 00:39:19,733
I'M HERE TO DESCRIBE THREE

1245
00:39:19,733 --> 00:39:20,066
THINGS.

1246
00:39:20,066 --> 00:39:22,666
WHY THE FRAMERS OF THE

1247
00:39:22,666 --> 00:39:23,666
CONSTITUTION INCLUDED AN

1248
00:39:23,666 --> 00:39:26,100
IMPEACHMENT OF THE PRESIDENT.

1249
00:39:26,100 --> 00:39:27,466
WHAT THAT PROVISION FOR HIGH

1250
00:39:27,466 --> 00:39:31,466
CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS MEANS.

1251
00:39:31,466 --> 00:39:32,800
LAST, HOW IT APPLIES TO THE

1252
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:33,666
QUESTION BEFORE YOU AND BEFORE

1253
00:39:33,666 --> 00:39:35,366
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, WHETHER

1254
00:39:35,366 --> 00:39:38,033
PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS COMMITTED

1255
00:39:38,033 --> 00:39:39,233
IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES UNDER THE

1256
00:39:39,233 --> 00:39:39,666
CONSTITUTION.

1257
00:39:39,666 --> 00:39:42,966
LET ME BEGIN BY STATING MY

1258
00:39:42,966 --> 00:39:43,366
CONCLUSIONS.

1259
00:39:43,366 --> 00:39:45,700
THE FRAMERS PROVIDEED FOR THE

1260
00:39:45,700 --> 00:39:47,033
IMPEACHMENT OF THE PRESIDENT

1261
00:39:47,033 --> 00:39:49,000
BECAUSE THEY FEARED THAT THE

1262
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,266
PRESIDENT MIGHT ABUSE THE

1263
00:39:50,266 --> 00:39:53,833
POWER OF HIS OFFICE FOR

1264
00:39:53,833 --> 00:39:55,833
PERSONAL BENEFIT, TO CORRUPT

1265
00:39:55,833 --> 00:39:57,533
THE ELECTORAL PROCESS AND

1266
00:39:57,533 --> 00:39:59,466
ENSURE HIS RE-ELECTION OR

1267
00:39:59,466 --> 00:40:01,366
SUBVERT THE NATIONAL SECURITY

1268
00:40:01,366 --> 00:40:02,166
OF THE UNITED STATES.

1269
00:40:02,166 --> 00:40:04,600
HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS

1270
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,333
ARE ABUSES OF POWER AND OF

1271
00:40:07,333 --> 00:40:10,800
PUBLIC TRUST CONNECTED TO THE

1272
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:11,833
OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENCY.

1273
00:40:11,833 --> 00:40:13,666
ON THE BASIS OF THE TESTIMONY

1274
00:40:13,666 --> 00:40:15,566
AND THE EVIDENCE BEFORE THE

1275
00:40:15,566 --> 00:40:18,200
HOUSE, PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS

1276
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:19,400
COMMITTED IMPEACHABLE HIGH

1277
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,966
CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS BY

1278
00:40:21,966 --> 00:40:23,400
CORRUPTLY ABUSING THE OFFICE

1279
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,466
OF THE PRESIDENCY.

1280
00:40:25,466 --> 00:40:26,533
SPECIFICALLY, PRESIDENT TRUMP

1281
00:40:26,533 --> 00:40:30,900
HAS ABUSED HIS OFFICE BY

1282
00:40:30,900 --> 00:40:32,133
CORRUPTLY SOLICITING THE

1283
00:40:32,133 --> 00:40:34,100
PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE TO

1284
00:40:34,100 --> 00:40:35,200
ANNOUNCE INVESTIGATIONS OF HIS

1285
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,000
POLITICAL RIVALS TO ORDER IN

1286
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,966
TO GAIN PERSONAL ADVANTAGE,

1287
00:40:38,966 --> 00:40:41,800
INCLUDING IN THE 2020

1288
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:42,366
PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

1289
00:40:42,366 --> 00:40:44,000
LET ME BEGIN NOW WITH THE

1290
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,233
QUESTION OF WHY THE FRAMERS

1291
00:40:46,233 --> 00:40:47,400
PROVIDEED FOR IMPEACHMENT IN

1292
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,533
THE FIRST PLACE.

1293
00:40:49,533 --> 00:40:51,100
THE FRAMERS BORROWED THE

1294
00:40:51,100 --> 00:40:52,566
CONCEPT OF IMPEACHMENT FROM

1295
00:40:52,566 --> 00:40:56,366
ENGLAND, BUT WITH ONE ENORMOUS

1296
00:40:56,366 --> 00:40:56,766
DIFFERENCE.

1297
00:40:56,766 --> 00:40:57,600
THE HOUSE OF COMMONS AND THE

1298
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,400
HOUSE OF LORDS COULD USE

1299
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,233
IMPEACHMENT IN ORDER TO LIMIT

1300
00:41:01,233 --> 00:41:03,433
THE MINISTERS OF THE KING.

1301
00:41:03,433 --> 00:41:05,866
BUT THEY COULD NOT IMPEACH THE

1302
00:41:05,866 --> 00:41:06,666
KING.

1303
00:41:06,666 --> 00:41:08,900
IN THAT SENSE THE KING WAS

1304
00:41:08,900 --> 00:41:09,766
ABOVE THE LAW.

1305
00:41:09,766 --> 00:41:11,433
IN STARK CONTRAST, THE FRAMERS

1306
00:41:11,433 --> 00:41:13,533
FROM THE OUTSET OF THE

1307
00:41:13,533 --> 00:41:15,033
CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION IN

1308
00:41:15,033 --> 00:41:16,533
1787 MADE IT CRYSTAL CLEAR

1309
00:41:16,533 --> 00:41:18,500
THAT THE PRESIDENT WOULD BE

1310
00:41:18,500 --> 00:41:20,633
SUBJECT TO IMPEACHMENT IN

1311
00:41:20,633 --> 00:41:23,466
ORDER TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THE

1312
00:41:23,466 --> 00:41:26,333
PRESIDENT WAS SUBORDINATE TO

1313
00:41:26,333 --> 00:41:26,666
THE LAW.

1314
00:41:26,666 --> 00:41:29,266
IF YOU WILL, I WOULD LIKE TO

1315
00:41:29,266 --> 00:41:30,700
THINK NOW ABOUT A SPECIFIC

1316
00:41:30,700 --> 00:41:32,966
DATE IN THE CONSTITUTIONAL

1317
00:41:32,966 --> 00:41:35,066
CONVENTION.

1318
00:41:35,066 --> 00:41:35,566
JULY 20th, 1787.

1319
00:41:35,566 --> 00:41:37,433
IT WAS THE MIDDLE OF A LONG

1320
00:41:37,433 --> 00:41:39,400
HOT SUMMER, AND ON THAT DAY,

1321
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,733
TWO MEMBERS OF OF THE

1322
00:41:42,733 --> 00:41:43,400
CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION

1323
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,233
ACTUALLY MOVEED TO TAKE OUT

1324
00:41:45,233 --> 00:41:47,400
THE IMPEACHMENT PROVISION FROM

1325
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,033
THE DRAFT CONSTITUTION.

1326
00:41:49,033 --> 00:41:50,166
THEY HAD A REASON.

1327
00:41:50,166 --> 00:41:51,900
THE REASON THEY SAID IS THE

1328
00:41:51,900 --> 00:41:54,566
PRESIDENT WILL HAVE TO STAND

1329
00:41:54,566 --> 00:41:55,033
FOR RE-ELECTION.

1330
00:41:55,033 --> 00:41:55,833
AND IF THE PRESIDENT HAS TO

1331
00:41:55,833 --> 00:41:57,400
STAND FOR RE-ELECTION, THAT'S

1332
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:57,733
ENOUGH.

1333
00:41:57,733 --> 00:42:00,400
WE DON'T NEED A SEPARATE

1334
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:01,100
PROVISION FOR IMPEACHMENT.

1335
00:42:01,100 --> 00:42:05,433
WHEN THAT PROPOSAL WAS MADE,

1336
00:42:05,433 --> 00:42:06,100
SIGNIFICANT DISAGREEMENTS

1337
00:42:06,100 --> 00:42:06,433
ENSUED.

1338
00:42:06,433 --> 00:42:07,100
THE GOVERNOR OF NORTH

1339
00:42:07,100 --> 00:42:09,533
CAROLINA, A MAN CALLED WILLIAM

1340
00:42:09,533 --> 00:42:11,033
DAVEY IMMEDIATELY SAID, IF THE

1341
00:42:11,033 --> 00:42:13,466
PRESIDENT CAN BE THE BE

1342
00:42:13,466 --> 00:42:15,433
IMPEACHED, "HE WILL SPARE NO

1343
00:42:15,433 --> 00:42:17,833
EFFORTS OR MEANS WHATEVER TO

1344
00:42:17,833 --> 00:42:21,300
GET HIMSELF RE-ELECTED."

1345
00:42:21,300 --> 00:42:23,266
FOLLOWING DAVIES, GEORGE MASON

1346
00:42:23,266 --> 00:42:25,633
OF VIRGINIA, A FIERCE

1347
00:42:25,633 --> 00:42:27,433
REPUBLICAN CRITIC OF EXECUTIVE

1348
00:42:27,433 --> 00:42:30,900
POWER SAID, "NO POINT IS MORE

1349
00:42:30,900 --> 00:42:32,200
IMPORTANT THAN IMPEACHMENT BE

1350
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,066
INCLUDED IN THE CONSTITUTION.

1351
00:42:35,066 --> 00:42:39,333
SHALL ANY MAN BE XWOOF

1352
00:42:39,333 --> 00:42:42,233
JUSTICE," HE ASKED.

1353
00:42:42,233 --> 00:42:43,400
THUS EXPRESSING PERSON THAT

1354
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,666
THE PRESIDENT MUSN'T BE ABOVE

1355
00:42:46,666 --> 00:42:47,000
THE LAW.

1356
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,500
JAMES MADISON, THE PRINCE

1357
00:42:48,500 --> 00:42:53,133
APPROXIMATELY DRA DRAFTSMAN OF

1358
00:42:53,133 --> 00:42:56,333
U.S. STUEG SAID IT WAS

1359
00:42:56,333 --> 00:42:58,000
INDISPENSABLE A PROVISION BE

1360
00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,400
MADE FOR IMPEACHMENT.

1361
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,466
HE EXPLAINED STANDING FOR

1362
00:43:01,466 --> 00:43:02,833
RE-ELECTION WAS NOT A

1363
00:43:02,833 --> 00:43:05,866
SUFFICIENT SECURITY AGAINST

1364
00:43:05,866 --> 00:43:06,566
PRESIDENTIAL MISCONDUCT OR

1365
00:43:06,566 --> 00:43:06,966
CORRUPTION.

1366
00:43:06,966 --> 00:43:09,166
A PRESIDENT, HE SAID MIGHT

1367
00:43:09,166 --> 00:43:13,000
BETRAY HIS TRUST TO FOREIGN

1368
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:13,366
POWERS.

1369
00:43:13,366 --> 00:43:15,433
A PRESIDENT WHO ABUSED THE

1370
00:43:15,433 --> 00:43:19,066
OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENCY MIGHT

1371
00:43:19,066 --> 00:43:22,066
BE FATAL TO THE REPUBLIC,

1372
00:43:22,066 --> 00:43:22,500
CLOSE QUOTES.

1373
00:43:22,500 --> 00:43:23,866
AND THEN A REMARKABLE THING

1374
00:43:23,866 --> 00:43:28,333
HAPPENED IN THE CONVENTION.

1375
00:43:28,333 --> 00:43:29,400
GOVERNOR MORRIS OF

1376
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,000
PENNSYLVANIA ONE OF THE TWO

1377
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:32,233
PEOPLE WHO INTRODUCED THE

1378
00:43:32,233 --> 00:43:33,566
MOTION TO ELIMINATE THE

1379
00:43:33,566 --> 00:43:36,300
IMPEACHMENT FROM THE

1380
00:43:36,300 --> 00:43:37,666
CONSTITUTION GOT UP AND SAID

1381
00:43:37,666 --> 00:43:39,400
THE WORDS, I WAS WRONG.

1382
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,333
HE TOLD THE OTHER FRAMERS HE

1383
00:43:43,333 --> 00:43:45,566
CHANGED HIS MIND AND THAT HE

1384
00:43:45,566 --> 00:43:47,266
WAS NOW HIS OPINION THAT IN

1385
00:43:47,266 --> 00:43:49,533
ORDER TO AVOID CORRUPTION OF

1386
00:43:49,533 --> 00:43:50,666
ELECTORAL PROCESS, A PRESIDENT

1387
00:43:50,666 --> 00:43:54,066
WOULD HAVE TO BE SUBJECT TO

1388
00:43:54,066 --> 00:43:54,966
IMPEACHMENT REGARDLESS OF THE

1389
00:43:54,966 --> 00:43:58,366
AVAILABILITY OF A FURTHER

1390
00:43:58,366 --> 00:43:59,400
ELECTION.

1391
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,733
THE UPSHOT OF THE DEBATE IS

1392
00:44:02,733 --> 00:44:04,800
THE FRAMERS KEPT IMPEACHMENT

1393
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:05,400
IN THE CONSTITUTION,

1394
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:06,266
SPECIFICALLY IN ORDER TO

1395
00:44:06,266 --> 00:44:08,000
PROTECT AGAINST THE ABUSE OF

1396
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,400
OFFICE WITH THE CAPACITY TO

1397
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:11,866
CORRUPT THE ELECTORAL PROCESS

1398
00:44:11,866 --> 00:44:15,533
OR LEAD TO PERSONAL GAIN.

1399
00:44:15,533 --> 00:44:17,600
TURNING TO THE LANGUAGE OF THE

1400
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,700
CONSTITUTION, THE FRAMERS USED

1401
00:44:19,700 --> 00:44:20,066
THE WORDS.

1402
00:44:20,066 --> 00:44:21,566
HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS

1403
00:44:21,566 --> 00:44:23,833
TO DESCRIBE THOSE FORMS OF

1404
00:44:23,833 --> 00:44:25,700
ACTION THEY CONSIDERED

1405
00:44:25,700 --> 00:44:26,100
IMPEACHABLE.

1406
00:44:26,100 --> 00:44:29,833
THESE WERE NOT VAGUE OR

1407
00:44:29,833 --> 00:44:30,300
ABSTRACT TERMS.

1408
00:44:30,300 --> 00:44:31,033
HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS

1409
00:44:31,033 --> 00:44:32,966
-- THE WORDS HIGH CRIMES AND

1410
00:44:32,966 --> 00:44:34,266
MISDEMEANOR MISS REPRESENTED

1411
00:44:34,266 --> 00:44:35,400
SPECIFIC LANGUAGE THAT WAS

1412
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,500
WELL UNDERSTOOD BY THE ENTIRE

1413
00:44:38,500 --> 00:44:39,333
GENERATION OF THE FRAMERS.

1414
00:44:39,333 --> 00:44:41,833
INDEED, THEY WERE BORROWED

1415
00:44:41,833 --> 00:44:43,800
FROM AN IMPEACHMENT TRIAL IN

1416
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,566
ENGLAND TAKING PLACE AS THE

1417
00:44:45,566 --> 00:44:47,400
FRAMERS WERE SPEAKING WHICH

1418
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,700
WAS REFERRED TO BY GEORGE MACE

1419
00:44:49,700 --> 00:44:49,966
AN.

1420
00:44:49,966 --> 00:44:51,766
THE WORDS HIGH CRIMES AND

1421
00:44:51,766 --> 00:44:52,666
MISDEMEANORS REFERRED TO ABUSE

1422
00:44:52,666 --> 00:44:55,400
OF THE OFFICE OF THE

1423
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,133
PRESIDENCY FOR PERSONAL

1424
00:44:58,133 --> 00:45:00,600
ADVANTAGE OR TO CORRUPT THE

1425
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,366
ELECTORAL PROCESS OR TO

1426
00:45:02,366 --> 00:45:03,500
SUBVERT A NATIONAL SECURITY OF

1427
00:45:03,500 --> 00:45:05,066
THE UNITED STATES.

1428
00:45:05,066 --> 00:45:07,200
THERE'S NO MYSTERY ABOUT THE

1429
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,200
WORDS HIGH CRIMES AND

1430
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:10,633
MISDEMEANORS.

1431
00:45:10,633 --> 00:45:12,633
HIGH MODIFIES CRIMES AND

1432
00:45:12,633 --> 00:45:13,166
MISDEMEANORS.

1433
00:45:13,166 --> 00:45:13,766
THEY'RE BOTH HIGH.

1434
00:45:13,766 --> 00:45:15,533
AND A HIGH MEANS CONNECTED TO

1435
00:45:15,533 --> 00:45:17,800
THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENCY,

1436
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,433
CONNECTED TO OFFICE.

1437
00:45:20,433 --> 00:45:21,666
THE CLASSIC FORM THAT WAS

1438
00:45:21,666 --> 00:45:23,433
FAMILIAR TO THE FRAMERS WAS

1439
00:45:23,433 --> 00:45:24,966
THE ABUSE OF OFFICE FOR

1440
00:45:24,966 --> 00:45:26,500
PERSONAL GAIN OR ADVANTAGE.

1441
00:45:26,500 --> 00:45:28,566
WHEN THE FRAMERS SPECIFICALLY

1442
00:45:28,566 --> 00:45:30,300
NAMED BRIBERY A A HIGH CRIME

1443
00:45:30,300 --> 00:45:32,466
AND MISDEMEANOR, THEY WERE

1444
00:45:32,466 --> 00:45:33,966
NAMING ONE PARTICULAR VERSION

1445
00:45:33,966 --> 00:45:35,933
OF THIS ABUSE OF OFFICE, THE

1446
00:45:35,933 --> 00:45:37,800
ABUSE OF OFFICE FOR PERSONAL

1447
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,333
OR INDIVIDUAL GAIN.

1448
00:45:40,333 --> 00:45:43,433
THE OTHER FORMS OF ABUSE OF

1449
00:45:43,433 --> 00:45:45,600
OFFICE, ABUSE TO AFFECT

1450
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:46,766
ELECTIONS AND COMPROMISE

1451
00:45:46,766 --> 00:45:48,000
NATIONAL SECURITY WERE FURTHER

1452
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,433
FORMS THAT WERE FAMILIAR TO

1453
00:45:51,433 --> 00:45:52,400
THE FRAMERS.

1454
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,400
NOW, HOW DOES THIS LANGUAGE OF

1455
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,200
HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS

1456
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,200
APPLY TO PRESIDENT TRUMP'S

1457
00:45:59,200 --> 00:45:59,666
ALLEGED CONDUCT?

1458
00:45:59,666 --> 00:46:00,866
LET ME BE CLEAR.

1459
00:46:00,866 --> 00:46:03,433
THE CONSTITUTION GIVES THE

1460
00:46:03,433 --> 00:46:04,333
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES --

1461
00:46:04,333 --> 00:46:06,300
THAT IS THE MEMBERS OF THIS

1462
00:46:06,300 --> 00:46:07,833
COMMITTEE AND OTHER MEMBERS OF

1463
00:46:07,833 --> 00:46:10,166
THE HOUSE SOLE POWER OF

1464
00:46:10,166 --> 00:46:10,566
IMPEACHMENT.

1465
00:46:10,566 --> 00:46:12,233
IT'S NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY OR

1466
00:46:12,233 --> 00:46:14,633
MY JOB TO DETERMINE THE

1467
00:46:14,633 --> 00:46:16,200
CREDIBILITY OF THE WITNESSES

1468
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,700
WHO APPEARED BEFORE THE HOUSE

1469
00:46:18,700 --> 00:46:19,066
THUS FAR.

1470
00:46:19,066 --> 00:46:21,766
THAT IS YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL

1471
00:46:21,766 --> 00:46:22,366
RESPONSIBILITY.

1472
00:46:22,366 --> 00:46:24,933
MY COMMENTS WILL THEREFORE

1473
00:46:24,933 --> 00:46:26,700
FOLLOW MY ROLE WHICH IS TO

1474
00:46:26,700 --> 00:46:29,100
DESCRIBE AND APPLY THE MEANING

1475
00:46:29,100 --> 00:46:30,266
OF IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES TO THE

1476
00:46:30,266 --> 00:46:31,433
FACTS DESCRIBED BY THE

1477
00:46:31,433 --> 00:46:35,000
TESTIMONY IN EVIDENCE BEFORE

1478
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:35,433
THE HOUSE.

1479
00:46:35,433 --> 00:46:37,666
PRESIDENT TRUMP'S CONDUCT AS

1480
00:46:37,666 --> 00:46:39,433
DESCRIBED BY THE TESTIMONY IN

1481
00:46:39,433 --> 00:46:40,966
EVIDENCE CLEARLY CONSTITUTES

1482
00:46:40,966 --> 00:46:42,500
IMPEACHABLE HIGH CRIMES AND

1483
00:46:42,500 --> 00:46:45,600
MISDEMEANORS UNDER THE

1484
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:46,666
CONSTITUTION.

1485
00:46:46,666 --> 00:46:48,733
IN PARTICULAR, THE MEMORANDUM

1486
00:46:48,733 --> 00:46:50,033
AND OTHER TESTIMONY RELATED TO

1487
00:46:50,033 --> 00:46:52,666
THE JULY 25th, 2019 PHONE CALL

1488
00:46:52,666 --> 00:46:54,200
BETWEEN THE TWO PRESIDENTS,

1489
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,600
PRESIDENT TRUMP, AND PRESIDENT

1490
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,866
ZELENSKY MORE THAN

1491
00:46:58,866 --> 00:47:00,633
SUFFICIENTLY INDICATES THAT

1492
00:47:00,633 --> 00:47:01,933
PRESIDENT TRUMP ABUSED HIS

1493
00:47:01,933 --> 00:47:03,233
OFFICE BY SOLICITING THE

1494
00:47:03,233 --> 00:47:05,000
PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE TO

1495
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:06,566
INVESTIGATE HIS POLITICAL

1496
00:47:06,566 --> 00:47:09,233
RIVALS IN ORDER TO GAIN

1497
00:47:09,233 --> 00:47:10,133
PERSONAL POLITICAL ADVANTAGE

1498
00:47:10,133 --> 00:47:14,666
INCLUDING IN RELATION TO THE

1499
00:47:14,666 --> 00:47:15,366
2020 ELECTION.

1500
00:47:15,366 --> 00:47:16,900
AGAIN, THE WORDS ABUSE OF

1501
00:47:16,900 --> 00:47:19,333
OFFICE ARE NOT MYSTICAL OR

1502
00:47:19,333 --> 00:47:19,666
MAGICAL.

1503
00:47:19,666 --> 00:47:20,666
THEY ARE VERY CLEAR.

1504
00:47:20,666 --> 00:47:22,633
THE ABUSE OF OFFICE OCCURS

1505
00:47:22,633 --> 00:47:24,800
WHEN THE PRESIDENT USES A

1506
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,800
FEATURE OF HIS POWER, THE

1507
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,800
AWESOME POWER OF HIS OFFICE

1508
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,566
NOT TO SERVE THE INTERESTS OF

1509
00:47:30,566 --> 00:47:32,933
THE AMERICAN PUBLIC, BUT TO

1510
00:47:32,933 --> 00:47:36,600
SERVE HIS PERSONAL INDIVIDUAL

1511
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,866
PARTISAN ELECTORAL INTERESTS.

1512
00:47:38,866 --> 00:47:39,966
THAT IS WHAT THE EVIDENCE

1513
00:47:39,966 --> 00:47:45,300
BEFORE THE HOUSE INDICATES.

1514
00:47:45,300 --> 00:47:47,833
FINALLY, LLET ME BE CLEAR, ON

1515
00:47:47,833 --> 00:47:49,800
ITS OWN, SOLICITING THE LEADER

1516
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,566
OF A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT IN

1517
00:47:53,566 --> 00:47:55,333
ORDER TO ANNOUNCE

1518
00:47:55,333 --> 00:47:56,400
INVESTIGATIONS OF POLITICAL

1519
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,266
RIVALS AND PERFORM THOSE

1520
00:47:59,266 --> 00:47:59,833
INVESTIGATIONS WOULD

1521
00:47:59,833 --> 00:48:01,766
CONSTITUTE A HIGH CRIME AND

1522
00:48:01,766 --> 00:48:02,166
MISDEMEANOR.

1523
00:48:02,166 --> 00:48:03,300
BUT THE HOUSE ALSO HAS

1524
00:48:03,300 --> 00:48:05,533
EVIDENCE BEFORE IT THAT THE

1525
00:48:05,533 --> 00:48:06,366
PRESIDENT COMMITTED TWO

1526
00:48:06,366 --> 00:48:09,900
FURTHER ACTS THAT ALSO QUALIFY

1527
00:48:09,900 --> 00:48:11,466
HAS EYE CRIMES AND

1528
00:48:11,466 --> 00:48:11,900
MISDEMEANORS.

1529
00:48:11,900 --> 00:48:12,733
IN PARTICULAR THE HOUSE HEARD

1530
00:48:12,733 --> 00:48:14,266
EVIDENCE THAT THE PRESIDENT

1531
00:48:14,266 --> 00:48:16,433
PLACED A HOLD ON CRITICAL U.S.

1532
00:48:16,433 --> 00:48:18,466
AID TO UKRAINE AND CONDITIONED

1533
00:48:18,466 --> 00:48:20,500
ITS RELEASE ON ANNOUNCEMENT OF

1534
00:48:20,500 --> 00:48:22,166
THE INVESTIGATIONS OF THE

1535
00:48:22,166 --> 00:48:27,466
BIDENS AND OF THE DISCREDITED

1536
00:48:27,466 --> 00:48:33,133
CROWDSTRIKE CONSPIRACY THEORY.

1537
00:48:33,133 --> 00:48:34,266
FURTHERMORE, THE CONDITIONED A

1538
00:48:34,266 --> 00:48:36,666
WHITE HOUSE VISIT ON THE

1539
00:48:36,666 --> 00:48:37,733
ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE

1540
00:48:37,733 --> 00:48:38,166
INVESTIGATION.

1541
00:48:38,166 --> 00:48:40,433
BOTH OF THESE ACTS CONSTITUTE

1542
00:48:40,433 --> 00:48:41,700
IMPEACHABLE HIGH CRIMES AND

1543
00:48:41,700 --> 00:48:43,433
MISDEMEANORS UNDER THE

1544
00:48:43,433 --> 00:48:44,333
CONSTITUTION.

1545
00:48:44,333 --> 00:48:46,333
THEY EACH ENCANSULATE THE

1546
00:48:46,333 --> 00:48:47,400
FRAMERS WORRY THAT THE

1547
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:48,366
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

1548
00:48:48,366 --> 00:48:50,766
WOULD TAKE ANY MEANS WHATEVER

1549
00:48:50,766 --> 00:48:52,800
TO ENSURE HIS RE-ELECTION.

1550
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,533
THAT'S THE REASON THAT THE

1551
00:48:54,533 --> 00:48:55,333
FRAMERS PROVIDEED FOR

1552
00:48:55,333 --> 00:48:58,533
IMPEACHMENT IN A CASE LIKE

1553
00:48:58,533 --> 00:48:59,433
THIS ONE.

1554
00:48:59,433 --> 00:49:01,800
>> MR. CHAIRMAN --

1555
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,500
>> THE GENTLEMAN'S TIME

1556
00:49:03,500 --> 00:49:03,833
EXPIRED.

1557
00:49:03,833 --> 00:49:05,900
>> I SEEK RECOGNITION.

1558
00:49:05,900 --> 00:49:06,833
>> GENTLEMAN RECOGNIZED.

1559
00:49:06,833 --> 00:49:09,233
>> I OFFER A MOTION TO

1560
00:49:09,233 --> 00:49:12,100
POSTPONE TO A DATE CERTAIN.

1561
00:49:12,100 --> 00:49:14,766
>> I MOVE TO TABLE THE MOTION.

1562
00:49:14,766 --> 00:49:16,266
>> MOTION TO TABLE IS HEARD

1563
00:49:16,266 --> 00:49:19,033
AND IS NOT DEBATEABLE.

1564
00:49:19,033 --> 00:49:20,000
>> MR. CHAIRMAN --

1565
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:21,800
>> ALL IN FAVOR?

1566
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:23,533
>> MAY WE HAVE THE MOTION

1567
00:49:23,533 --> 00:49:23,833
READ.

1568
00:49:23,833 --> 00:49:28,900
>> THE MOTION WAS STATED TO

1569
00:49:28,900 --> 00:49:29,266
ADJOURN.

1570
00:49:29,266 --> 00:49:31,200
>> MAY WE READ THE MOTION.

1571
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,300
>> MOTION WILL BE READ TO A

1572
00:49:34,300 --> 00:49:36,466
DATE CERTAIN, WEDNESDAY,

1573
00:49:36,466 --> 00:49:37,800
DCEMBER 19 TO ACTUALLY GET A

1574
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:39,833
RESPONSE TO THE SIX LETTERS.

1575
00:49:39,833 --> 00:49:42,633
>> MOTION TO TABLE IS MADE.

1576
00:49:42,633 --> 00:49:46,766
MOTION TO TABLE IS MADE AND

1577
00:49:46,766 --> 00:49:47,233
NOT DEBATEABLE.

1578
00:49:47,233 --> 00:49:49,233
>> ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

1579
00:49:49,233 --> 00:49:51,433
THE MOTION TO TABLE IS

1580
00:49:51,433 --> 00:49:51,833
RECALLED.

1581
00:49:51,833 --> 00:49:53,866
>> ROLE CALL REQUESTED.

1582
00:49:53,866 --> 00:49:55,433
>> MR. NADLER.

1583
00:49:55,433 --> 00:49:58,700
AYE.

1584
00:49:58,700 --> 00:49:59,866
>> MISS LOFTON.

1585
00:49:59,866 --> 00:50:03,033
MISS JACKSON LEE VOTES AYE.

1586
00:50:03,033 --> 00:50:05,266
MR. COHEN VOTES EYE.

1587
00:50:05,266 --> 00:50:09,100
MR. JOHNSON OF GEORGIA VOTES

1588
00:50:09,100 --> 00:50:10,100
AYE.

1589
00:50:10,100 --> 00:50:11,833
>> MR. RICHMOND VOTES YES.

1590
00:50:11,833 --> 00:50:15,400
>> MR. JEFFERIES VOTES YES.

1591
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:21,000
>> MR. SISILINY VOTES AYE.

1592
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:25,633
>> MR. RASKIN VOTES EYE.

1593
00:50:25,633 --> 00:50:28,700
>> MISS JENNINGS VOTES AYE.

1594
00:50:28,700 --> 00:50:32,900
>> MISS SCANLIN VOTES AYE.

1595
00:50:32,900 --> 00:50:35,800
MISS GARS RA.

1596
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:36,966
VOTES EYE.

1597
00:50:36,966 --> 00:50:40,766
>> MR. STANTON VOTES AYE.

1598
00:50:40,766 --> 00:50:42,733
>> MISS POWELL?

1599
00:50:42,733 --> 00:50:43,400
>> VOTES EYE.

1600
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,000
>> MISS ESCOBAR VOTES EYE.

1601
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,500
>> MR. COLLINS VOTES NO.

1602
00:50:48,500 --> 00:50:50,266
>> MR. SENSENBRENNER VOTES NO.

1603
00:50:50,266 --> 00:50:53,100
>> MR. CHAVEZ VOTES NO.

1604
00:50:53,100 --> 00:50:54,866
>> MR. GOMERT VOTES NO.

1605
00:50:54,866 --> 00:50:56,933
>> MR. JORDAN VOTES NO.

1606
00:50:56,933 --> 00:50:59,400
>> MR. BUCK VOTES NO.

1607
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,166
>> MR. RADCLIFFE VOTES NO.

1608
00:51:02,166 --> 00:51:03,966
>> MR. GOATS VOTES NO.

1609
00:51:03,966 --> 00:51:08,700
MR. JOHNSON OF LOUISIANA VOTES

1610
00:51:08,700 --> 00:51:09,000
NO.

1611
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,233
MR. BIGGS VOTES NO.

1612
00:51:11,233 --> 00:51:15,433
MR. MACLINTON VOTES NO.

1613
00:51:15,433 --> 00:51:17,533
>> MR. RESTENTHALER VOTES NO.

1614
00:51:17,533 --> 00:51:19,433
>> MR. CLINE VOTES NO.

1615
00:51:19,433 --> 00:51:22,633
>> MR. ARMSTRONG VOTES NO.

1616
00:51:22,633 --> 00:51:26,800
>> MR. STEVIE VOTES NO.

1617
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,533
>> HAS EVERYONE VOTED?

1618
00:51:29,533 --> 00:51:33,300
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, 24 AYES AND

1619
00:51:33,300 --> 00:51:33,633
17 NOS.

1620
00:51:33,633 --> 00:51:36,700
>> THE MOTION TO TABLE IS

1621
00:51:36,700 --> 00:51:38,733
ADOPTED, AND I NOW RECOGNIZE

1622
00:51:38,733 --> 00:51:41,633
PROFESSOR CARLIN FOR HER

1623
00:51:41,633 --> 00:51:42,000
TESTIMONY.

1624
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:43,400
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, AND MEMBERS

1625
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,733
OF THE COMMITTEE.

1626
00:51:46,733 --> 00:51:48,333
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE

1627
00:51:48,333 --> 00:51:48,966
OPPORTUNITY TO TESTIFY.

1628
00:51:48,966 --> 00:51:51,400
TWICE I HAVE HAD THE PRIVILEGE

1629
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:52,933
OF REPRESENTING THIS COMMITTEE

1630
00:51:52,933 --> 00:51:54,933
AND LEADERSHIP IN VOTING

1631
00:51:54,933 --> 00:51:56,166
RIGHTS CASES BEFORE THE

1632
00:51:56,166 --> 00:51:56,600
SUPREME COURT.

1633
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,400
ONCE UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF

1634
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:00,233
CHAIRMAN SENSENBRENNER, AND

1635
00:52:00,233 --> 00:52:03,700
IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN

1636
00:52:03,700 --> 00:52:04,000
SIR.

1637
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:05,866
AND ONE OF MY OTHER CLIENTS.

1638
00:52:05,866 --> 00:52:08,766
AND ONCE UNDER THE LEADERSHIP

1639
00:52:08,766 --> 00:52:09,333
OF CHAIRMAN CONIERS.

1640
00:52:09,333 --> 00:52:12,800
IT WAS A GREAT HONOR BECAUSE

1641
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,100
OF THIS COMMITTEE'S KEY ROLE

1642
00:52:14,100 --> 00:52:17,300
OVER THE PAST 50 YEARS IN

1643
00:52:17,300 --> 00:52:18,533
ENSURING THAT EVERYONE

1644
00:52:18,533 --> 00:52:20,533
CITIZENS HAVE IS THE RIGHT TO

1645
00:52:20,533 --> 00:52:22,666
VOTE IN FREE AND FAIR

1646
00:52:22,666 --> 00:52:23,033
ELECTIONS.

1647
00:52:23,033 --> 00:52:27,400
TODAY YOUR ASKED TO CONSIDER

1648
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,866
WHETHER PROTECTING THOSE IS

1649
00:52:29,866 --> 00:52:32,133
IMPEACHING A PRESIDENT.

1650
00:52:32,133 --> 00:52:33,000
EVERYTHING I KNOW ABOUT THE

1651
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:34,533
CONSTITUTION AND VALUES AND MY

1652
00:52:34,533 --> 00:52:40,333
REVIEW OF THE EVIDENTITARY

1653
00:52:40,333 --> 00:52:41,433
RECORD, I READ TRANSCRIPTS OF

1654
00:52:41,433 --> 00:52:43,400
EVERY ONE OF THE WITNESSES WHO

1655
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,166
APPEARED IN THE LIVE HEARINGS,

1656
00:52:45,166 --> 00:52:47,166
BECAUSE I WOULD NOT SPEAK

1657
00:52:47,166 --> 00:52:49,500
ABOUT THESE THINGS WITHOUT

1658
00:52:49,500 --> 00:52:51,366
REVIEWING THE FACTS.

1659
00:52:51,366 --> 00:52:52,133
I'M INSULTED BY THE SUGGESTION

1660
00:52:52,133 --> 00:52:54,733
THAT AS A LAW PROFESSOR I

1661
00:52:54,733 --> 00:52:55,400
DON'T CARE ABOUT THE FACTS.

1662
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,533
EVERYTHING I READ ON THOSE

1663
00:52:57,533 --> 00:52:59,833
OCCASIONS TELLS ME WHEN

1664
00:52:59,833 --> 00:53:01,733
PRESIDENT TRUMP DEMANDED

1665
00:53:01,733 --> 00:53:03,100
FOREIGN INVOLVEMENT IN THE

1666
00:53:03,100 --> 00:53:04,233
UPCOMING ELECTION, HE STRUCK

1667
00:53:04,233 --> 00:53:05,933
AT THE VERY HEART OF WHAT

1668
00:53:05,933 --> 00:53:09,800
MAKES THIS A REPUBLIC TO WHICH

1669
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:10,766
WE PLEDGE ALEECHBLGANCE.

1670
00:53:10,766 --> 00:53:13,433
THAT DEMANLD HAS PROFESSOR

1671
00:53:13,433 --> 00:53:14,300
FELDMAN EXPLAINED CONSTITUTED

1672
00:53:14,300 --> 00:53:15,800
AN ABUSE OF POWER.

1673
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,866
INDEED AS I EXPLAIN IN MY

1674
00:53:17,866 --> 00:53:21,066
TESTIMONY, DRAWING A FOREIGN

1675
00:53:21,066 --> 00:53:22,666
GOVERNMENT INTO OUR ELECTION

1676
00:53:22,666 --> 00:53:24,400
I ESPECIALLY SERIOUS ABUSE OF

1677
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,433
POWER BECAUSE IT UNDERMINES

1678
00:53:27,433 --> 00:53:32,100
DEMOCRACY ITSELF.

1679
00:53:32,100 --> 00:53:32,933
THE CONSTITUTION BEGINS WITH

1680
00:53:32,933 --> 00:53:35,833
WE THE PEOPLE FOR A REASON.

1681
00:53:35,833 --> 00:53:38,233
JAMES MADISON'S WORDS DERIVES

1682
00:53:38,233 --> 00:53:39,733
POWER DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY

1683
00:53:39,733 --> 00:53:41,033
FROM THE GREAT BODY OF THE

1684
00:53:41,033 --> 00:53:44,566
PEOPLE, AND THE WAY IT DERIVES

1685
00:53:44,566 --> 00:53:47,000
THESE POWERS IS THROUGH

1686
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:47,400
ELECTIONS.

1687
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:47,900
ELECTIONS MATTER.

1688
00:53:47,900 --> 00:53:48,933
THE LEGITIMACY OF OUR

1689
00:53:48,933 --> 00:53:50,700
GOVERNMENT AND ALL OF OUR

1690
00:53:50,700 --> 00:53:51,433
INDIVIDUAL FREEDOMS BECAUSE OF

1691
00:53:51,433 --> 00:53:53,333
THE SUPREME COURT DECLARED

1692
00:53:53,333 --> 00:53:55,800
MORE THAN A CENTURY AGO VOTING

1693
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,466
IS PRESERVATIVE OF ALL RIGHTS.

1694
00:53:58,466 --> 00:53:59,666
IT'S NOT SURPRISING THAT THE

1695
00:53:59,666 --> 00:54:02,433
CONSTITUTION IS MARVELED WITH

1696
00:54:02,433 --> 00:54:03,500
PROVISIONS GOVERNING ELECTIONS

1697
00:54:03,500 --> 00:54:05,966
AND GUARANTEEING GOVERNMENTAL

1698
00:54:05,966 --> 00:54:06,433
ACCOUNTABILITY.

1699
00:54:06,433 --> 00:54:07,466
INDEED, A MAJORITY OF THE

1700
00:54:07,466 --> 00:54:08,533
AMENDMENTS TO THE CONSTITUTION

1701
00:54:08,533 --> 00:54:11,433
SINCE THE CIVIL WAR HAVE DEALT

1702
00:54:11,433 --> 00:54:14,466
WITH VOTING OR WITH TERMS OF

1703
00:54:14,466 --> 00:54:14,800
OFFICE.

1704
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,300
AND AMONG THE MOST IMPORTANT

1705
00:54:17,300 --> 00:54:18,600
PROVISIONS OF THE ORIGINAL

1706
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:20,533
CONSTITUTION IS THE GUARANTEE

1707
00:54:20,533 --> 00:54:22,266
OF PERIODIC ELECTIONS TO THE

1708
00:54:22,266 --> 00:54:22,666
PRESIDENCY.

1709
00:54:22,666 --> 00:54:24,766
ONE EVERY FOUR YEARS.

1710
00:54:24,766 --> 00:54:26,733
AMERICANS HAVE KEPT THAT

1711
00:54:26,733 --> 00:54:29,366
PROMISE FOR TWO CENTURIES AND

1712
00:54:29,366 --> 00:54:31,600
DONE SO EVEN IN WAR TIME.

1713
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,000
WE INVENTED THE IDEA OF

1714
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:35,533
ABSENTEE VOTING SO UNION

1715
00:54:35,533 --> 00:54:37,100
TROOPS WHO SUPPORTED PRESIDENT

1716
00:54:37,100 --> 00:54:38,200
LINCOLN COULD STAY NTD FIELD

1717
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,800
DURING THE ELECTION OF 1864.

1718
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:42,800
SINCE THEN, COUNTLESS OTHER

1719
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:44,100
AMERICANS HAVE FOUGHT AND DIED

1720
00:54:44,100 --> 00:54:47,400
TO PROTECT OUR RIGHT TO VOTE.

1721
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,033
THE FRAMERS OF OUR

1722
00:54:49,033 --> 00:54:50,133
CONSTITUTION REALIZED THAT

1723
00:54:50,133 --> 00:54:51,033
ELECTIONS ALONE COULD NOT

1724
00:54:51,033 --> 00:54:52,333
GUARANTEE THAT THE UNITED

1725
00:54:52,333 --> 00:54:53,833
STATES WOULD REMAIN A

1726
00:54:53,833 --> 00:54:54,200
REPUBLIC.

1727
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,033
ONE OF THE KEY REASONS FOR

1728
00:54:56,033 --> 00:54:58,466
INCLUDING THE IMPEACHMENT

1729
00:54:58,466 --> 00:55:01,000
POWER WAS THE RISK THAT

1730
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:01,733
UNSCRUPULOUS OFFICIALS RIGHT

1731
00:55:01,733 --> 00:55:04,400
TRY TO RIG THE ELECTION

1732
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:04,933
PROCESS.

1733
00:55:04,933 --> 00:55:06,900
YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD TWO

1734
00:55:06,900 --> 00:55:10,566
PEOPLE GIVE WILLIAM DAVEY

1735
00:55:10,566 --> 00:55:10,866
PROPS.

1736
00:55:10,866 --> 00:55:12,366
HAMILTON GOT A MUSICAL, AND

1737
00:55:12,366 --> 00:55:13,933
DAVEY GETS THIS HEARING.

1738
00:55:13,933 --> 00:55:17,766
HE WARNED UNLESS THE

1739
00:55:17,766 --> 00:55:20,533
CONSTITUTION CONTAINED AN

1740
00:55:20,533 --> 00:55:23,133
IMPEACHMENT PROVISION A

1741
00:55:23,133 --> 00:55:25,300
PRESIDENT MIGHT SPARE NO MEANS

1742
00:55:25,300 --> 00:55:26,866
TO GET REELECTED AND GEORGE

1743
00:55:26,866 --> 00:55:30,600
MASON SAID A PRESIDENT WHO

1744
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:33,266
SECURED THROUGH AN CORRUPT ACT

1745
00:55:33,266 --> 00:55:34,333
BY REPEATING HIS GUILT.

1746
00:55:34,333 --> 00:55:36,300
AND MASON WAS THE PERSON

1747
00:55:36,300 --> 00:55:37,400
RESPONSIBLE FOR ADDING HIGH

1748
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,333
CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS TO THE

1749
00:55:39,333 --> 00:55:40,633
LIST OF IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES.

1750
00:55:40,633 --> 00:55:42,900
SO WE KNOW FROM THAT, THAT THE

1751
00:55:42,900 --> 00:55:44,600
LIST WAS DESIGNED TO REACH A

1752
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:46,866
PRESIDENT WHO ACTS TO SUBVERT

1753
00:55:46,866 --> 00:55:47,666
AN ELECTION, WHETHER THAT

1754
00:55:47,666 --> 00:55:49,200
ELECTION IS THE ONE THAT

1755
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,400
BROUGHT HIM INTO OFFICE OR

1756
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:52,933
IT'S AN UPCOMING ELECTION

1757
00:55:52,933 --> 00:55:56,866
WHERE HE SEEKS AN ADDITIONAL

1758
00:55:56,866 --> 00:55:57,333
TERM.

1759
00:55:57,333 --> 00:55:59,433
MOREOVER, THE FOUNDING

1760
00:55:59,433 --> 00:56:01,166
GENERATION LIKE EVERY

1761
00:56:01,166 --> 00:56:02,500
GENERATION SINCE WAS CONCERNED

1762
00:56:02,500 --> 00:56:04,500
TO PROTECT OUR GOVERNMENT AND

1763
00:56:04,500 --> 00:56:07,200
OUR DEMOCRATIC PROCESS FROM

1764
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:07,766
OUTSIDE INTERFERENCE.

1765
00:56:07,766 --> 00:56:11,300
FOR EXAMPLE, JOHN ADAMS DURING

1766
00:56:11,300 --> 00:56:12,333
THE RATIFICATION EXPRESSED

1767
00:56:12,333 --> 00:56:14,300
CONCERN WITH THE VERY IDEA OF

1768
00:56:14,300 --> 00:56:16,266
HAVING AN ELECTED PRESIDENT

1769
00:56:16,266 --> 00:56:17,400
WRITING TO THOMAS JEFFERSON

1770
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:21,200
THAT YOU ARE APPREHENSIVE OF

1771
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:22,400
FOREIGN INTERFERENCE,

1772
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:22,766
INFLUENCE.

1773
00:56:22,766 --> 00:56:24,666
SO AM I, BUT AS OFTEN AS

1774
00:56:24,666 --> 00:56:26,700
ELECTIONS HAPPEN, THE DANGER

1775
00:56:26,700 --> 00:56:28,766
OF FOREIGN INFLUENCE RECURS.

1776
00:56:28,766 --> 00:56:31,466
AND IN THE STAIRWELL ADDRESS,

1777
00:56:31,466 --> 00:56:33,166
PRESIDENT WASHINGTON WARNED

1778
00:56:33,166 --> 00:56:34,600
HISTORY AND EXPERIENCE PROVED

1779
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:35,866
FOREIGN INFLUENCE IS ONE OF

1780
00:56:35,866 --> 00:56:38,500
THE MOST PAINFUL FOES OF

1781
00:56:38,500 --> 00:56:39,433
REPUBLICAN GOVERNMENT, AND

1782
00:56:39,433 --> 00:56:41,566
EXPLAINED IT WAS IMPERFECT AS

1783
00:56:41,566 --> 00:56:43,433
FOREIGN GOVERNMENT WOULD HAVE

1784
00:56:43,433 --> 00:56:46,233
TRY TO FOEMENT DISAGREEMENTS

1785
00:56:46,233 --> 00:56:46,833
WITH AMERICAN PEOPLE.

1786
00:56:46,833 --> 00:56:49,533
THE VERY IDEA THAT A PRESIDENT

1787
00:56:49,533 --> 00:56:51,500
MIGHT SEEK THE AID OF A

1788
00:56:51,500 --> 00:56:53,033
FOREIGN GOVERNMENT IN

1789
00:56:53,033 --> 00:56:55,066
RE-ELECTION CAMPAIGN WOULD

1790
00:56:55,066 --> 00:56:55,633
HAVE HORRIFIED THEM.

1791
00:56:55,633 --> 00:56:58,066
BASED ON THE EVIDENTITARY

1792
00:56:58,066 --> 00:56:59,400
RECORD THAT'S WHAT PRESIDENT

1793
00:56:59,400 --> 00:56:59,866
TRUMP HAS DONE.

1794
00:56:59,866 --> 00:57:02,066
THE LIST OF IMPEACHABLE

1795
00:57:02,066 --> 00:57:04,700
OFFENSES THAT THE FRAMERS

1796
00:57:04,700 --> 00:57:05,900
INCLUDED IN THE CONSTITUTION

1797
00:57:05,900 --> 00:57:07,966
SHOWS THAT THE ESSENCE OF AN

1798
00:57:07,966 --> 00:57:09,166
IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE IS A

1799
00:57:09,166 --> 00:57:10,400
PRESIDENT'S DECISION TO

1800
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:11,466
SACRIFICE THE NATIONAL

1801
00:57:11,466 --> 00:57:15,466
INTERESTS FOR HIS OWN PRIVATE

1802
00:57:15,466 --> 00:57:16,766
END.

1803
00:57:16,766 --> 00:57:18,066
TREASON, WEIGH AN INDIVIDUAL'S

1804
00:57:18,066 --> 00:57:21,100
AID TO A FOREIGN ENEMY.

1805
00:57:21,100 --> 00:57:24,433
PUTTING A FOREIGN ENEMY'S'S

1806
00:57:24,433 --> 00:57:29,433
ADVERSARY ABOVE THE E ABOVE THE

1807
00:57:29,433 --> 00:57:29,900
UNITED STATES.

1808
00:57:29,900 --> 00:57:31,266
BRIBERY, SOLICED, RECEIVED OR

1809
00:57:31,266 --> 00:57:33,900
OFFERED FAVOR OR BENEFIT TO

1810
00:57:33,900 --> 00:57:34,566
INFLUENCE OFFICIAL ACTIONS

1811
00:57:34,566 --> 00:57:36,766
RISKING HE WOULD PUT HIS

1812
00:57:36,766 --> 00:57:38,633
PRIVATE WELFARE ABOVE THE

1813
00:57:38,633 --> 00:57:39,133
NATIONAL INTEREST.

1814
00:57:39,133 --> 00:57:40,500
AND HIGH CRIMES AND

1815
00:57:40,500 --> 00:57:41,566
MISDEMEANORS CAPTURED THE

1816
00:57:41,566 --> 00:57:47,300
OTHER WAY IN WHICH A HIGH

1817
00:57:47,300 --> 00:57:50,033
OFFICIAL MIGHT DISREGARD

1818
00:57:50,033 --> 00:57:52,966
PUBLIC INTEREST OF THE DUTIES

1819
00:57:52,966 --> 00:57:53,500
OF PUBLIC OFFICE.

1820
00:57:53,500 --> 00:57:55,266
BASED ON THE EVIDENTITARY

1821
00:57:55,266 --> 00:57:56,366
RECORD BEFORE YOU, WHAT

1822
00:57:56,366 --> 00:57:58,433
HAPPENED IN THE CASE TODAY IS

1823
00:57:58,433 --> 00:58:01,300
SOMETHING I DO NOT EVER SEEN

1824
00:58:01,300 --> 00:58:01,633
BEFORE.

1825
00:58:01,633 --> 00:58:03,300
A PRESIDENT WHO DOUBLED DOWN

1826
00:58:03,300 --> 00:58:05,666
ON VIOLATING HIS OATH TO

1827
00:58:05,666 --> 00:58:06,566
FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THE LAWS

1828
00:58:06,566 --> 00:58:09,066
AND PROTECT AND DEFEND THE

1829
00:58:09,066 --> 00:58:10,533
CONSTITUTION.

1830
00:58:10,533 --> 00:58:11,800
THE EVIDENCE REVEALED THE

1831
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:13,533
PRESIDENT WHO USED POWERS OF

1832
00:58:13,533 --> 00:58:15,366
OFFICE IS DEMAND THAT A

1833
00:58:15,366 --> 00:58:16,500
FOREIGN GOVERNMENT PARTICIPATE

1834
00:58:16,500 --> 00:58:18,166
IN UNDERMINING A COMPETING

1835
00:58:18,166 --> 00:58:20,166
CANDIDATE FOR THE PRESIDENCY.

1836
00:58:20,166 --> 00:58:22,133
AS PRESIDENT JOHN KENNEDY

1837
00:58:22,133 --> 00:58:23,466
DECLARED, THE RIGHT TO VOTE IN

1838
00:58:23,466 --> 00:58:25,200
A FREE AMERICAN ELECTION IS

1839
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,366
THE MOST POWERFUL AND PRECIOUS

1840
00:58:27,366 --> 00:58:30,233
RIGHT IN THE WORLD.

1841
00:58:30,233 --> 00:58:32,000
BUT OUR ELECTIONS BECOME LESS

1842
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,433
FREE WHEN THEY ARE DISTORTED

1843
00:58:35,433 --> 00:58:37,233
BY FOREIGN INTERFERENCE.

1844
00:58:37,233 --> 00:58:39,433
WHAT HAPPENED IN 2016 WAS BAD

1845
00:58:39,433 --> 00:58:39,966
ENOUGH.

1846
00:58:39,966 --> 00:58:41,666
THERE'S WIDESPREAD AGREEMENT

1847
00:58:41,666 --> 00:58:43,466
THAT RUSSIAN OPERATIVE

1848
00:58:43,466 --> 00:58:44,833
MANIPULATED OUR POLITICAL

1849
00:58:44,833 --> 00:58:45,166
PROCESS.

1850
00:58:45,166 --> 00:58:47,366
BUT THAT DISTORTION IS

1851
00:58:47,366 --> 00:58:49,733
MAGNIFIED, THAT THE SITTING

1852
00:58:49,733 --> 00:58:50,633
PRESIDENT ABUSES POWER OF

1853
00:58:50,633 --> 00:58:53,866
OFFICE ACTUALLY TO INVITE

1854
00:58:53,866 --> 00:58:55,233
FOREIGN INTERVENTION.

1855
00:58:55,233 --> 00:58:55,566
SEE WHY.

1856
00:58:55,566 --> 00:58:58,533
IMAGINE LIVING IN A PART OF

1857
00:58:58,533 --> 00:59:00,366
LOUISIANA OR TEXAS, THAT'S

1858
00:59:00,366 --> 00:59:02,200
PRONE TO DEVASTATING

1859
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:02,800
HURRICANES AND FLOODING.

1860
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:04,766
WHAT WOULD YOU THINK IF YOU

1861
00:59:04,766 --> 00:59:07,166
LIVED THERE, AND YOUR GOVERNOR

1862
00:59:07,166 --> 00:59:08,466
ASKED FOR A MEETING WITH THE

1863
00:59:08,466 --> 00:59:10,666
PRESIDENT TO DISCUSS GETTING

1864
00:59:10,666 --> 00:59:12,900
DISASTER AID THAT CONGRESS HAS

1865
00:59:12,900 --> 00:59:13,333
PROVIDEED FOR?

1866
00:59:13,333 --> 00:59:15,266
WHAT WOULD YOU THINK IF THAT

1867
00:59:15,266 --> 00:59:16,600
PRESIDENT SAID I WOULD LIKE

1868
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:23,233
YOU TO DO US A FAVOR?

1869
00:59:23,233 --> 00:59:24,300
I'LL MEET WITH YOU.

1870
00:59:24,300 --> 00:59:26,700
ONCE YOU BRAND MY OPPONENT A

1871
00:59:26,700 --> 00:59:27,066
CRIMINAL.

1872
00:59:27,066 --> 00:59:28,000
WOULDN'T YOU KNOW IN YOUR GUT

1873
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,866
THAT THE PRESIDENT ABUSED

1874
00:59:30,866 --> 00:59:32,233
OFFICE AND BETRAYED THE

1875
00:59:32,233 --> 00:59:33,700
NATIONAL INTEREST, AND WAS

1876
00:59:33,700 --> 00:59:37,466
TRYING TO CORRUPT AN ELECTORAL

1877
00:59:37,466 --> 00:59:37,800
PROCESS?

1878
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,766
I BELIEVE THAT THIS

1879
00:59:40,766 --> 00:59:42,633
EVIDENCEITARY RECORD SHOWS

1880
00:59:42,633 --> 00:59:43,000
THAT HERE.

1881
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:44,666
IT SHOWS THE PRESIDENT DELAYED

1882
00:59:44,666 --> 00:59:46,900
MEETING A FOREIGN LEADER AND

1883
00:59:46,900 --> 00:59:47,566
PROVIDING ASSISTANCE THAT

1884
00:59:47,566 --> 00:59:50,200
CONGRESS AND HIS ADVISERS

1885
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:51,433
AGREED SERVES OUR NATION

1886
00:59:51,433 --> 00:59:53,033
INTEREST IN PROMOTING

1887
00:59:53,033 --> 00:59:56,033
DEMOCRACY AND LIMITING RUSSIAN

1888
00:59:56,033 --> 00:59:56,433
AGGRESSION.

1889
00:59:56,433 --> 00:59:59,200
SAYING RUSSIA, IF YOU'RE

1890
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:00,733
LISTENING -- YOU KNOW, A

1891
01:00:00,733 --> 01:00:03,666
PRESIDENT WHO CARES ABOUT CONST

1892
01:00:03,666 --> 01:00:05,366
RUSSIA, IF YOU'RE LISTENING,

1893
01:00:05,366 --> 01:00:07,933
BUTT OUT OF OUR ELECTIONS.

1894
01:00:07,933 --> 01:00:09,266
SHOWS A PRESIDENT THAT DID THIS

1895
01:00:09,266 --> 01:00:11,200
TO STRONG ARM A FOREIGN LEADER

1896
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:14,200
TO SMEARING ONE OF OUR OPPONENTS

1897
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:15,366
IN AN ELECTION SEASON.

1898
01:00:15,366 --> 01:00:17,533
THAT IS NOT POLITICS AS USUAL AT

1899
01:00:17,533 --> 01:00:18,766
LEAST NOT IN THE UNITED STATES

1900
01:00:18,766 --> 01:00:20,966
OR ANY MATURE DEMOCRACY.

1901
01:00:20,966 --> 01:00:22,800
IT IS INSTEAD A CARDINAL REASON

1902
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:26,600
WHY THE CONSTITUTION CONTAINS AN

1903
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:27,400
IMPEACHMENT POWER.

1904
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:32,133
PUT SIMPLY, A PRESIDENT SHOULD

1905
01:00:32,133 --> 01:00:34,300
RESIST FOREIGN INTERFERENCE.

1906
01:00:34,300 --> 01:00:38,433
NOT DEMAND IT OR WELCOME IT.

1907
01:00:38,433 --> 01:00:41,733
IF WE'RE TO KEEP SAFE WITH OUR

1908
01:00:41,733 --> 01:00:43,300
REPUBLIC, PRESIDENT TRUMP MUST

1909
01:00:43,300 --> 01:00:44,200
BE HELD ACCOUNT.

1910
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:45,000
THANK YOU

1911
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,500
>> THANK YOU, PROFESSOR

1912
01:00:47,500 --> 01:00:47,866
GERHARDT.

1913
01:00:47,866 --> 01:00:49,166
>> THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN, OTHER

1914
01:00:49,166 --> 01:00:49,900
RANKING MEMBERS.

1915
01:00:49,900 --> 01:00:52,100
ITS AN HONOR AND A PRIVILEGE TO

1916
01:00:52,100 --> 01:00:53,800
JOIN THE OTHER DISTINGUISHED

1917
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:55,533
WITNESSES TO DISCUSS A MATTER OF

1918
01:00:55,533 --> 01:00:58,266
GRAVE CONCERN TO OUR COUNTRY AND

1919
01:00:58,266 --> 01:01:00,233
TO OUR CONSTITUTION.

1920
01:01:00,233 --> 01:01:02,533
BECAUSE THIS HOUSE, THE PEOPLE'S

1921
01:01:02,533 --> 01:01:04,766
HOUSE, HAS THE SOLE POWER OF

1922
01:01:04,766 --> 01:01:05,166
IMPEACHMENT.

1923
01:01:05,166 --> 01:01:06,666
THERE'S NO BETTER FORUM TO

1924
01:01:06,666 --> 01:01:09,533
DISCUSS THE CONSTITUTIONAL

1925
01:01:09,533 --> 01:01:10,533
STANDARD FOR IMPEACHMENT AND

1926
01:01:10,533 --> 01:01:11,400
WHETHER THAT STANDARD HAS BEEN

1927
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,366
MET IN THE CASE OF THE CURRENT

1928
01:01:13,366 --> 01:01:14,800
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

1929
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:16,733
AS I EXPLAIN IN THE BALANCE OF

1930
01:01:16,733 --> 01:01:18,633
MY OPENING STATEMENT, TH RECORD

1931
01:01:18,633 --> 01:01:20,866
COMPILED THUS FAR SHOWS THE

1932
01:01:20,866 --> 01:01:22,466
PRESIDENT HAS COMMITTED SEVERAL

1933
01:01:22,466 --> 01:01:23,600
IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES.

1934
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:26,300
INCLUDING BRIBERY, ABUSE OF

1935
01:01:26,300 --> 01:01:31,133
POWER AND SOLICITING PERSONAL

1936
01:01:31,133 --> 01:01:35,066
FAVOR FROM A FOREIGN LEADER,

1937
01:01:35,066 --> 01:01:36,833
OBSTRUCTING JUSTICE AND

1938
01:01:36,833 --> 01:01:37,733
OBSTRUCTING CONGRESS.

1939
01:01:37,733 --> 01:01:40,200
OUR HEARING SHOULD RESERVE AS A

1940
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:42,000
REMINDER OF ONE OF THE

1941
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:43,400
FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES THAT

1942
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:45,400
DROVE THE FOUNDERS OF OUR

1943
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:47,400
CONSTITUTION TO BREAK FROM

1944
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:49,966
ENGLAND AND TO DRAFT THEIR OWN

1945
01:01:49,966 --> 01:01:50,633
CONSTITUTION.

1946
01:01:50,633 --> 01:01:52,533
THE PRINCIPLE THAT IN THIS

1947
01:01:52,533 --> 01:01:54,366
COUNTRY THAT NO ONE IS KING.

1948
01:01:54,366 --> 01:01:56,266
WE HAVE FOLLOWED THAT PRINCIPLE

1949
01:01:56,266 --> 01:01:58,566
SINCE BEFORE THE FOUNDING OF THE

1950
01:01:58,566 --> 01:01:59,533
CONSTITUTION AND RECOGNIZED

1951
01:01:59,533 --> 01:02:02,833
AROUND THE WORLD AS A FIXED

1952
01:02:02,833 --> 01:02:04,066
INSPIRING AMERICAN IDEAL.

1953
01:02:04,066 --> 01:02:07,433
IN HIS THIRD MESSAGE TO CONGRESS

1954
01:02:07,433 --> 01:02:08,633
IN 1903.

1955
01:02:08,633 --> 01:02:10,900
ROOSEVELT DELIVERED ONE OF THE

1956
01:02:10,900 --> 01:02:12,533
FINEST ARTICULATIONS OF THIS

1957
01:02:12,533 --> 01:02:12,900
PRINCIPLE.

1958
01:02:12,900 --> 01:02:15,266
HE SAID, NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW

1959
01:02:15,266 --> 01:02:18,066
AND NO MAN IS BELOW, NOR DO WE

1960
01:02:18,066 --> 01:02:19,633
HAVE ANY MAN'S PERMISSION WHEN

1961
01:02:19,633 --> 01:02:21,900
WE REQUIRE HIM TO OBEY IT.

1962
01:02:21,900 --> 01:02:25,133
OBEDIENCE TO THE LAW IS DEMANDED

1963
01:02:25,133 --> 01:02:26,266
AS A RIGHT.

1964
01:02:26,266 --> 01:02:29,200
NOT ASKED FOR AS A FAVOR.

1965
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:32,066
THREE FEATURES OF OUR

1966
01:02:32,066 --> 01:02:33,500
CONSTITUTION PROTECT THE

1967
01:02:33,500 --> 01:02:35,400
FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLE THAT NO

1968
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:39,066
ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW.

1969
01:02:39,066 --> 01:02:40,300
FIRST IN THE BRITISH SYSTEM,

1970
01:02:40,300 --> 01:02:41,833
THERE WAS NO CONTROL OVER THE

1971
01:02:41,833 --> 01:02:42,400
MONARCH.

1972
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:47,333
AND THEN THE FRAMERS ALLOWED THE

1973
01:02:47,333 --> 01:02:50,766
CONSTITUTION FOR ASSURING

1974
01:02:50,766 --> 01:02:51,433
PRESIDENTIAL ACCOUNTABILITY.

1975
01:02:51,433 --> 01:02:53,366
SECOND, THE KING COULD DO NO

1976
01:02:53,366 --> 01:02:55,066
WRONG AND NO PARTS OF THE

1977
01:02:55,066 --> 01:02:56,533
GOVERNMENT COULD CHECK HIS

1978
01:02:56,533 --> 01:02:56,933
MISCONDUCT.

1979
01:02:56,933 --> 01:02:58,600
IN OUR CONSTITUTION, THE FRAMERS

1980
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:00,266
DEVELOP A SEPARATION OF POWERS

1981
01:03:00,266 --> 01:03:02,466
WHICH CONSIST OF CHECKS AND

1982
01:03:02,466 --> 01:03:05,766
BALANCES DESIGNED TO PREVENT ANY

1983
01:03:05,766 --> 01:03:11,433
BRANCH, INCLUDING PRESIDENCY

1984
01:03:11,433 --> 01:03:21,433
FROM BEFORING TYRANNYCAL.

1985
01:03:21,433 --> 01:03:23,333
IN OUR DECLARATION OF

1986
01:03:23,333 --> 01:03:25,966
INDEPENDENCE, THE FRAMERS SET

1987
01:03:25,966 --> 01:03:29,600
FORTH A SERIES OF INPEACHABLE

1988
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:29,966
OFFENSES.

1989
01:03:29,966 --> 01:03:31,700
WHEN THE FRAMERS CONVENED IN

1990
01:03:31,700 --> 01:03:33,766
PHILADELPHIA TO DRAFT OUR

1991
01:03:33,766 --> 01:03:35,233
CONSTITUTION, THEY WERE UNITED

1992
01:03:35,233 --> 01:03:36,600
AROUND A SIMPLY PRINCIPLE THAT

1993
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:39,400
WAS A MAJOR SAFEGUARD FOR THE

1994
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:40,000
PUBLIC.

1995
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:41,700
WE THE PEOPLE AGAINST TYRANNY OF

1996
01:03:41,700 --> 01:03:42,733
ANY KIND.

1997
01:03:42,733 --> 01:03:43,566
THE PEOPLE THAT OVERTHROWN A

1998
01:03:43,566 --> 01:03:46,000
KING ARE NOT GOING TO TURN

1999
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,266
AROUND JUST AFTER SECURING THEIR

2000
01:03:48,266 --> 01:03:49,566
INDEPENDENCE FROM CORRUPT

2001
01:03:49,566 --> 01:03:51,400
TYRANNY AND CREATING AN OFFICE

2002
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:53,300
THAT LIKE THE KING WAS ABOVE THE

2003
01:03:53,300 --> 01:03:54,900
LAW AND COULD DO NO WRONG.

2004
01:03:54,900 --> 01:03:57,066
THE FRAMERS CREATED A CHIEF

2005
01:03:57,066 --> 01:03:58,433
EXECUTIVE TO BRING ENERGY TO THE

2006
01:03:58,433 --> 01:03:59,833
ADMINISTRATION OF FEDERAL LAWS

2007
01:03:59,833 --> 01:04:03,433
BUT TO BE ACCOUNTABLE TO

2008
01:04:03,433 --> 01:04:05,900
CONGRESS FOR TREASON, BRIBERY,

2009
01:04:05,900 --> 01:04:08,500
OTHER HIGH CRIMES AND

2010
01:04:08,500 --> 01:04:08,933
MISDEMEANORS.

2011
01:04:08,933 --> 01:04:10,733
THE FRAMER'S CONCERN ABOUT THE

2012
01:04:10,733 --> 01:04:13,833
NEED TO PROTECT AGAINST A

2013
01:04:13,833 --> 01:04:16,633
CORRUPT PRESIDENT WAS EVIDENT

2014
01:04:16,633 --> 01:04:18,000
THROUGHOUT THE CORRUPTION.

2015
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:19,933
I HAVE TO THANK MY PRIOR TWO

2016
01:04:19,933 --> 01:04:21,166
FRIENDS THAT HAVE SPOKEN AND

2017
01:04:21,166 --> 01:04:22,500
SPOKEN TO A NORTH CAROLINIAN,

2018
01:04:22,500 --> 01:04:23,433
WILLIAM DAVEY.

2019
01:04:23,433 --> 01:04:26,133
I WILL REFER TO ANOTHER

2020
01:04:26,133 --> 01:04:27,433
NORTH CAROLINIAN IN THE

2021
01:04:27,433 --> 01:04:29,766
CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION.

2022
01:04:29,766 --> 01:04:32,800
JAMES IREDELL AND PRESIDENT

2023
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:33,866
WASHINGTON APPOINTED TO THE

2024
01:04:33,866 --> 01:04:35,233
SUPREME COURT ASSURED THE

2025
01:04:35,233 --> 01:04:37,266
DELEGATES THAT THE PRESIDENT IS

2026
01:04:37,266 --> 01:04:40,600
OF A DIFFERENT NATURE FROM A

2027
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:40,933
MONARCH.

2028
01:04:40,933 --> 01:04:43,166
HE IS TO BE SPECIALLY

2029
01:04:43,166 --> 01:04:46,033
RESPONSIBLE FOR THE GREAT TRUST

2030
01:04:46,033 --> 01:04:47,400
PLACED IN HIM.

2031
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:49,300
THIS BRINGS US OF COURSE TO THE

2032
01:04:49,300 --> 01:04:50,033
CRUCIAL QUESTION WE'RE HERE TO

2033
01:04:50,033 --> 01:04:51,400
TALK ABOUT TODAY.

2034
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:53,833
THE STANDARD FOR IMPEACHMENT.

2035
01:04:53,833 --> 01:04:57,366
THE CONSTITUTION DEFINES TREASON

2036
01:04:57,366 --> 01:05:00,833
AND THE TERM BRIBERY BASICALLY

2037
01:05:00,833 --> 01:05:03,466
MEANS USING THE OFFICE FOR

2038
01:05:03,466 --> 01:05:04,700
PERSONAL GAIN.

2039
01:05:04,700 --> 01:05:07,933
OR SHOULD SAY MISUSING THE

2040
01:05:07,933 --> 01:05:09,966
OFFICE FOR PERSONAL GAIN.

2041
01:05:09,966 --> 01:05:11,900
AS PROFESSOR FELDMAN POINTED

2042
01:05:11,900 --> 01:05:14,266
OUT, THESE TERM DERIVE FROM THE

2043
01:05:14,266 --> 01:05:15,466
BRITISH THAT UNDERSTOOD THE

2044
01:05:15,466 --> 01:05:17,600
CLASS OF CASES TO BE IMPEACHABLE

2045
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:19,466
TO BE REFERRED TO POLITICAL

2046
01:05:19,466 --> 01:05:21,333
CRIMES WHICH REFERRED TO CASES

2047
01:05:21,333 --> 01:05:22,333
AGAINST THE UNITED STATES, WHEN

2048
01:05:22,333 --> 01:05:24,966
THE PRESIDENT DEVIATES FROM HIS

2049
01:05:24,966 --> 01:05:27,433
DUTY OR DARES TO ABUSE THE POWER

2050
01:05:27,433 --> 01:05:29,866
INVESTED TO HIM BY THE PEACH IN

2051
01:05:29,866 --> 01:05:32,333
SERIOUS INJURIES TO THE

2052
01:05:32,333 --> 01:05:32,700
REPUBLIC.

2053
01:05:32,700 --> 01:05:35,866
IN THE FEDERALIST PAPERS,

2054
01:05:35,866 --> 01:05:39,066
ALEXANDER HAMILTON SAID

2055
01:05:39,066 --> 01:05:40,400
IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES WHICH COME

2056
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:42,500
FROM THE ABUSE OR VIOLATION OF

2057
01:05:42,500 --> 01:05:45,200
SOME PUBLIC TRUST AND RELAY

2058
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:47,433
CHIEFLY TO INJURIES DONE

2059
01:05:47,433 --> 01:05:51,433
IMMEDIATELY IN A SOCIETY ITSELF.

2060
01:05:51,433 --> 01:05:53,733
SEVERAL THEMES EMERGE FROM THE

2061
01:05:53,733 --> 01:05:59,433
FRAMER'S DISCUSSION OF THE SCOPE

2062
01:05:59,433 --> 01:06:00,233
OF IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES.

2063
01:06:00,233 --> 01:06:03,466
WE KNOW NOT ABLE IMPEACHABLE ARE

2064
01:06:03,466 --> 01:06:06,466
CRIMINAL AND NOT ALL FELONIES

2065
01:06:06,466 --> 01:06:08,533
ARE IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES.

2066
01:06:08,533 --> 01:06:10,766
WE KNOW WHAT CONSTITUTES A HIGH

2067
01:06:10,766 --> 01:06:12,933
CRIME AND MISDEMEANOR IS

2068
01:06:12,933 --> 01:06:15,466
ULTIMATELY THE CONTEXT AND THE

2069
01:06:15,466 --> 01:06:17,900
GRAVITY OF THE MISCONDUCT IN

2070
01:06:17,900 --> 01:06:19,000
QUESTION.

2071
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:19,833
AFTER REVIEWING THE EVIDENCE

2072
01:06:19,833 --> 01:06:22,466
THAT'S BEEN MADE PUBLIC, I

2073
01:06:22,466 --> 01:06:23,900
CANNOT HELP BUT CONCLUDE THIS

2074
01:06:23,900 --> 01:06:26,300
PRESIDENT HAS ATTACKED EACH OF

2075
01:06:26,300 --> 01:06:28,133
THE CONSTITUTIONS SAFEGUARDS

2076
01:06:28,133 --> 01:06:29,866
AGAINST ESTABLISHING A MONARCHY

2077
01:06:29,866 --> 01:06:31,433
IN THIS COUNTRY.

2078
01:06:31,433 --> 01:06:32,900
BOTH THE CONTEXT AND GRAVITY OF

2079
01:06:32,900 --> 01:06:35,000
THE PRESIDENT'S CONDUCT ARE

2080
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:35,300
CLEAR.

2081
01:06:35,300 --> 01:06:38,133
THE FAVOR HE REQUESTED FROM

2082
01:06:38,133 --> 01:06:39,433
UKRAINE'S PRESIDENT WAS TO

2083
01:06:39,433 --> 01:06:41,866
RECEIVE FOR HIS USE OF

2084
01:06:41,866 --> 01:06:43,433
PRESIDENTIAL POWER UKRAINE'S

2085
01:06:43,433 --> 01:06:44,500
ANNOUNCEMENT OF A POLITICAL

2086
01:06:44,500 --> 01:06:44,966
RIVAL.

2087
01:06:44,966 --> 01:06:47,200
THE INVESTIGATION WAS NOT THE

2088
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:48,400
IMPORTANT ACTION FOR THE

2089
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:49,800
PRESIDENT, THE ANNOUNCEMENT WAS

2090
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:52,066
BECAUSE IT COULD BE USED IN THIS

2091
01:06:52,066 --> 01:06:53,166
COUNTRY TO MANIPULATE THE PUBLIC

2092
01:06:53,166 --> 01:06:55,966
TO CASTING ASIDE THE PRESIDENT'S

2093
01:06:55,966 --> 01:06:57,033
POLITICAL RIVAL BECAUSE OF

2094
01:06:57,033 --> 01:06:58,733
CONCERNS ABOUT HIS CORRUPTION.

2095
01:06:58,733 --> 01:07:02,466
THE GRAVITY OF THE PRESIDENT'S

2096
01:07:02,466 --> 01:07:05,933
MISCONDUCT IS APPARENT WHEN YOU

2097
01:07:05,933 --> 01:07:08,066
COMPARE IT TO THE ONE PRESIDENT

2098
01:07:08,066 --> 01:07:10,833
THAT WAS IMPEACHED IN 1974.

2099
01:07:10,833 --> 01:07:13,333
THREE ARTICLES WERE APPROVED

2100
01:07:13,333 --> 01:07:17,900
AGAINST RICHARD NIXON.

2101
01:07:17,900 --> 01:07:20,133
THE FIRST ARTICLE CHARGED HIM

2102
01:07:20,133 --> 01:07:21,566
WITH OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE.

2103
01:07:21,566 --> 01:07:23,900
IF YOU READ THE MUELLER REPORT,

2104
01:07:23,900 --> 01:07:27,100
IT LAYS OUT A NUMBER OF FACTS

2105
01:07:27,100 --> 01:07:28,666
THAT SUGGESTS THE PRESIDENT

2106
01:07:28,666 --> 01:07:29,633
OBSTRUCTED JUSTICE.

2107
01:07:29,633 --> 01:07:31,466
THE SECOND ARTICLE OF

2108
01:07:31,466 --> 01:07:34,233
IMPEACHMENT APPROVED AGAINST

2109
01:07:34,233 --> 01:07:36,933
RICHARD NIXON, CHARGED HIM WITH

2110
01:07:36,933 --> 01:07:38,166
ABUSE OF POWER FOR ORDERING THE

2111
01:07:38,166 --> 01:07:41,166
HEADS OF THE IRS, CIA TO HARASS

2112
01:07:41,166 --> 01:07:43,433
HIS POLITICAL ENEMIES.

2113
01:07:43,433 --> 01:07:45,300
THE PRESENT CIRCUMSTANCES THE

2114
01:07:45,300 --> 01:07:46,933
PRESIDENT HAS ENGAGED IN THE

2115
01:07:46,933 --> 01:07:49,800
PATTERN OF ABUSING THE TRUST BY

2116
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:51,766
SOLICITING FOREIGN COUNTRIES,

2117
01:07:51,766 --> 01:07:53,900
INCLUDING CHINA, RUSSIA AND

2118
01:07:53,900 --> 01:07:56,366
UKRAINE TO INVESTIGATE HIS

2119
01:07:56,366 --> 01:07:57,700
POLITICAL OPPONENTS AND

2120
01:07:57,700 --> 01:07:59,433
INTERFERE IN ELECTIONS IN WHICH

2121
01:07:59,433 --> 01:08:01,400
HE'S A CANDIDATE.

2122
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:04,133
THE THIRD ARTICLE AGAINST NIXON

2123
01:08:04,133 --> 01:08:05,600
IS THAT HE FAILED TO COMPLY WITH

2124
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:06,300
FOUR LEGISLATIVE SUBPOENAS.

2125
01:08:06,300 --> 01:08:08,900
THE PRESIDENT'S CIRCUMSTANCE,

2126
01:08:08,900 --> 01:08:09,600
THE PRESIDENT HAS REFUSED TO

2127
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:12,233
COMPLY WITH AT LEAST TEN OTHERS

2128
01:08:12,233 --> 01:08:13,733
IN HIS ADMINISTRATION NOT TO

2129
01:08:13,733 --> 01:08:16,833
COMPLY WITH LAWFUL CONGRESSIONAL

2130
01:08:16,833 --> 01:08:18,266
SUBPOENAS INCLUDING SECRETARY

2131
01:08:18,266 --> 01:08:19,700
STATE MIKE POMPEO, RICK PERRY

2132
01:08:19,700 --> 01:08:21,300
AND ACTING CHIEF OF STAFF AND

2133
01:08:21,300 --> 01:08:23,466
HEAD OF THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT

2134
01:08:23,466 --> 01:08:27,466
AND BUDGET, MICK MULVANEY.

2135
01:08:27,466 --> 01:08:30,066
AS SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM SAID

2136
01:08:30,066 --> 01:08:31,466
WHEN HE WAS A MEMBER OF THE

2137
01:08:31,466 --> 01:08:34,133
HOUSE ON THE VERGE OF IMPEACHING

2138
01:08:34,133 --> 01:08:37,533
PRESIDENT CLINTON, THE DAY THAT

2139
01:08:37,533 --> 01:08:39,633
NIXON FAILED TO ANSWER THAT

2140
01:08:39,633 --> 01:08:41,300
SUBPOENA IS THE DAY HE WAS

2141
01:08:41,300 --> 01:08:42,366
IMPEACHABLE BECAUSE HE TOOK THE

2142
01:08:42,366 --> 01:08:43,566
POWER AWAY FROM CONGRESS AND HE

2143
01:08:43,566 --> 01:08:45,066
BECAME THE JUDGE AND THE JURY.

2144
01:08:45,066 --> 01:08:50,733
THAT IS A PERFECTLY GOOD

2145
01:08:50,733 --> 01:08:52,466
ARTICULATION WHY OBSTRUCTION OF

2146
01:08:52,466 --> 01:08:54,266
CONGRESS IS IMPEACHABLE.

2147
01:08:54,266 --> 01:08:57,033
THE PRESIDENT'S DEFIANCE OF

2148
01:08:57,033 --> 01:08:59,133
CONGRESS IS TROUBLING DUE TO THE

2149
01:08:59,133 --> 01:09:02,433
RATIONALE THAT HE CLAIMS FOR HIS

2150
01:09:02,433 --> 01:09:03,200
OBSTRUCTION.

2151
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:05,933
HIS ARGUMENTS INCLUDING HIS

2152
01:09:05,933 --> 01:09:08,900
WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL IN HIS

2153
01:09:08,900 --> 01:09:10,666
OCTOBER LETTER TO THE SPEAKER

2154
01:09:10,666 --> 01:09:12,266
BOILS DOWN TO THE ASSERTION THAT

2155
01:09:12,266 --> 01:09:13,500
HE'S ABOVE THE LAW.

2156
01:09:13,500 --> 01:09:15,466
I WON'T REVIEW THAT LETTER HERE

2157
01:09:15,466 --> 01:09:17,833
BUT I DO WANT TO DISAGREE WITH

2158
01:09:17,833 --> 01:09:19,000
THE CHARACTERIZATION IN THE

2159
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:22,166
LETTER OF THESE PROCEEDINGS.

2160
01:09:22,166 --> 01:09:24,466
SINCE THE CONSTITUTION EXPRESSLY

2161
01:09:24,466 --> 01:09:27,066
SAYS AND THE SUPREME COURT HAS

2162
01:09:27,066 --> 01:09:28,866
UNANIMOUSLY A FIRMED THAT THE

2163
01:09:28,866 --> 01:09:31,033
HOUSE HAS THE SOLE POWER OF

2164
01:09:31,033 --> 01:09:31,433
IMPEACHMENT.

2165
01:09:31,433 --> 01:09:32,900
LIKE THE SENATE, THE HOUSE HAS

2166
01:09:32,900 --> 01:09:35,900
THE POWER TO DETERMINE THE RULES

2167
01:09:35,900 --> 01:09:39,333
FOR ITS PROCEEDINGS.

2168
01:09:39,333 --> 01:09:41,900
THE PRESIDENT AND HIS

2169
01:09:41,900 --> 01:09:43,800
SUBORDINATES HAVE ARGUMENTS THAT

2170
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:45,700
THE PRESIDENT IS ENTITLED TO

2171
01:09:45,700 --> 01:09:46,466
INVESTIGATION FOR ANY CRIMINAL

2172
01:09:46,466 --> 01:09:49,300
WRONG DOING, INCLUDING SHOOTING

2173
01:09:49,300 --> 01:09:50,733
SOMEONE ON FIFTH AVENUE.

2174
01:09:50,733 --> 01:09:52,233
THE PRESIDENT HAS CLAIMED THAT

2175
01:09:52,233 --> 01:09:54,200
HE'S ENTITLED TO EXECUTIVE

2176
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:55,333
PRIVILEGE, NOT TO SHARE ANY

2177
01:09:55,333 --> 01:09:57,800
INFORMATION HE DOESN'T WANT TO

2178
01:09:57,800 --> 01:09:58,100
SHARE.

2179
01:09:58,100 --> 01:09:59,333
HE'S ALSO CLAIMED THE

2180
01:09:59,333 --> 01:10:01,800
ENTITLEMENT TO BE ABLE TO ORDER

2181
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:03,433
THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH AS HE'S

2182
01:10:03,433 --> 01:10:07,866
DONE NOT TO COOPERATE WITH THIS

2183
01:10:07,866 --> 01:10:13,733
BODY WHEN IT CONDUCTS AN

2184
01:10:13,733 --> 01:10:15,400
INVESTIGATION OF THE PRESIDENT.

2185
01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:22,566
IF LEFT UNCHECKED, HE WILL

2186
01:10:22,566 --> 01:10:23,133
OBSTRUCT CONGRESS.

2187
01:10:23,133 --> 01:10:24,900
THE FACT THAT WE CAN TRANSPOSE

2188
01:10:24,900 --> 01:10:26,433
THE ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT

2189
01:10:26,433 --> 01:10:27,866
AGAINST PRESIDENT NIXON ON TO

2190
01:10:27,866 --> 01:10:29,333
THE ACTIONS OF THIS PRESIDENT

2191
01:10:29,333 --> 01:10:30,466
SPEAKS VOLUMES.

2192
01:10:30,466 --> 01:10:32,733
THAT DOES NOT ININCLUDE THE MOST

2193
01:10:32,733 --> 01:10:33,433
SERIOUS NATIONAL SECURITY

2194
01:10:33,433 --> 01:10:35,366
CONCERNS AND ELECTION

2195
01:10:35,366 --> 01:10:36,066
INTERFERENCE CONCERNS AT THE

2196
01:10:36,066 --> 01:10:39,400
HEART OF THIS PRESIDENT'S

2197
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:40,533
MISCONDUCT.

2198
01:10:40,533 --> 01:10:43,133
NO MISCONDUCT IS MORE

2199
01:10:43,133 --> 01:10:44,800
ANTITHETICAL TO OUR ECONOMY.

2200
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:46,033
NOTHING UNJURIES THE PEOPLE MORE

2201
01:10:46,033 --> 01:10:47,833
THAN THE PRESIDENT THAT USES HIS

2202
01:10:47,833 --> 01:10:49,100
POWER TO WEAKEN THE AUTHORITY

2203
01:10:49,100 --> 01:10:50,233
UNDER THE CONSTITUTION AS WELT

2204
01:10:50,233 --> 01:10:52,666
AS THE AUTHORITIES OF THE

2205
01:10:52,666 --> 01:10:53,333
CONSTITUTION ITSELF.

2206
01:10:53,333 --> 01:10:57,300
MAY I READ ONE MORE SENTENCE?

2207
01:10:57,300 --> 01:10:58,966
>> THE WITNESS MAY HAVE ANOTHER

2208
01:10:58,966 --> 01:10:59,333
SENTENCE.

2209
01:10:59,333 --> 01:11:01,433
>> IF CONGRESS FAILS TO IMPEACH

2210
01:11:01,433 --> 01:11:03,033
HERE, THE IMPEACHMENT PROCESS IS

2211
01:11:03,033 --> 01:11:05,766
LOST ALL MEANING.

2212
01:11:05,766 --> 01:11:12,366
ALONG WITH THAT, I STAND WITH

2213
01:11:12,366 --> 01:11:14,066
THE CONSTITUTION AND I STAND

2214
01:11:14,066 --> 01:11:14,966
WITH THE FRAMERS THAT WERE

2215
01:11:14,966 --> 01:11:17,300
COMMITTED TO ENSURE THAT NO ONE

2216
01:11:17,300 --> 01:11:18,433
IS ABOVE THE LAW.

2217
01:11:18,433 --> 01:11:19,900
>> THANK YOU.

2218
01:11:19,900 --> 01:11:20,433
PROFESSOR TURLEY.

2219
01:11:20,433 --> 01:11:22,666
>> THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN NADLER.

2220
01:11:22,666 --> 01:11:25,366
RANKING MEMBER COLLINS, MEMBERS

2221
01:11:25,366 --> 01:11:27,200
OF THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE.

2222
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:29,466
IT'S AN HONOR TO APPEAR BEFORE

2223
01:11:29,466 --> 01:11:31,400
YOU TODAY TO DISCUSS ONE OF THE

2224
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:34,266
MOST CONSEQUENTIAL FUNCTIONS YOU

2225
01:11:34,266 --> 01:11:36,300
WERE GIVEN BY THE FRAMERS AND

2226
01:11:36,300 --> 01:11:38,233
THAT IS THE IMPEACHMENT OF A

2227
01:11:38,233 --> 01:11:39,300
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

2228
01:11:39,300 --> 01:11:41,866
21 YEARS AGO, I SAT BEFORE YOU,

2229
01:11:41,866 --> 01:11:43,266
CHAIRMAN NADLER AND THIS

2230
01:11:43,266 --> 01:11:46,333
COMMITTEE TO TESTIFY AT THE

2231
01:11:46,333 --> 01:11:48,166
IMPEACHMENT OF PRESIDENT WILLIAM

2232
01:11:48,166 --> 01:11:49,400
JEFFERSON CLINTON.

2233
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:51,233
I NEVER THOUGHT THAT I WOULD

2234
01:11:51,233 --> 01:11:54,300
HAVE TO APPEAR A SECOND TIME TO

2235
01:11:54,300 --> 01:11:56,766
ADDRESS THE SAME QUESTION WITH

2236
01:11:56,766 --> 01:11:59,266
REGARD TO ANOTHER SITTING

2237
01:11:59,266 --> 01:11:59,633
PRESIDENT.

2238
01:11:59,633 --> 01:12:02,133
YET HERE WE ARE.

2239
01:12:02,133 --> 01:12:05,900
THE ELEMENTS ARE STRIKINGLY

2240
01:12:05,900 --> 01:12:06,833
SIMILAR.

2241
01:12:06,833 --> 01:12:11,433
THE INTENTS, RANKER AND RANGE

2242
01:12:11,433 --> 01:12:14,800
ARE THE SAME.

2243
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:16,500
THE ATMOSPHERE, THE TOLERANCE OF

2244
01:12:16,500 --> 01:12:18,333
OPPOSING VIEWS IS THE SAME.

2245
01:12:18,333 --> 01:12:22,333
I'D LIKE TO START THEREFORE

2246
01:12:22,333 --> 01:12:24,733
PERHAPS BY STATING AN IRRELEVANT

2247
01:12:24,733 --> 01:12:25,033
FACT.

2248
01:12:25,033 --> 01:12:29,266
I'M NOT A SUPPORTER OF PRESIDENT

2249
01:12:29,266 --> 01:12:29,866
TRUMP.

2250
01:12:29,866 --> 01:12:32,166
I VOTED AGAINST HIM.

2251
01:12:32,166 --> 01:12:34,233
MY PERSONAL VIEWS OF PRESIDENT

2252
01:12:34,233 --> 01:12:37,133
TRUMP ARE AS IRRELEVANT TO MY

2253
01:12:37,133 --> 01:12:38,233
IMPEACHMENT TESTIMONY AS THEY

2254
01:12:38,233 --> 01:12:40,933
SHOULD BE TO YOUR IMPEACHMENT

2255
01:12:40,933 --> 01:12:41,233
VOTE.

2256
01:12:41,233 --> 01:12:43,400
PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL NOT BE OUR

2257
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:44,400
LAST PRESIDENT.

2258
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:47,400
WHAT WE LEAVE IN THE WAKE OF

2259
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:50,566
THIS SCANDAL WILL SHAPE HOUR

2260
01:12:50,566 --> 01:12:51,400
DEMOCRACY FOR GENERATIONS TO

2261
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:51,700
COME.

2262
01:12:51,700 --> 01:12:55,100
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT LOWERING

2263
01:12:55,100 --> 01:12:58,100
IMPEACHMENT STANDARDS TO FIT

2264
01:12:58,100 --> 01:13:00,433
EVIDENCE AND AN ABUNDANCE OF

2265
01:13:00,433 --> 01:13:01,666
ANGER.

2266
01:13:01,666 --> 01:13:02,466
I BELIEVE THIS IMPEACHMENT NOT

2267
01:13:02,466 --> 01:13:04,133
ONLY FAILS TO SATISFY THE

2268
01:13:04,133 --> 01:13:07,433
STANDARD OF PAST IMPEACHMENTS,

2269
01:13:07,433 --> 01:13:10,300
BUT IT WOULD CREATE A DANGEROUS

2270
01:13:10,300 --> 01:13:12,466
PRECEDENT FOR FUTURE

2271
01:13:12,466 --> 01:13:12,900
IMPEACHMENTS.

2272
01:13:12,900 --> 01:13:16,733
MY TESTIMONY LAYS OUT THE

2273
01:13:16,733 --> 01:13:19,433
IMPEACHMENT FROM EARLY CASES TO

2274
01:13:19,433 --> 01:13:20,566
THE EARLY DAY.

2275
01:13:20,566 --> 01:13:23,300
THE EARLY IMPEACHMENTS USED

2276
01:13:23,300 --> 01:13:25,033
FLUID EXERCISE OF CRIMINAL AND

2277
01:13:25,033 --> 01:13:26,400
NONCRIMINAL ACTS.

2278
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:27,733
WHEN THE FRAMERS MET IN

2279
01:13:27,733 --> 01:13:29,233
PHILADELPHIA, THEY WERE FAMILIAR

2280
01:13:29,233 --> 01:13:31,366
WITH IMPEACHMENT AND ITS ABUSES

2281
01:13:31,366 --> 01:13:33,100
INCLUDING HASTINGS CASE, WHICH

2282
01:13:33,100 --> 01:13:35,433
WAS DISCUSSED IN THE CONVENTION.

2283
01:13:35,433 --> 01:13:36,800
A CASE THAT WAS STILL PENDING

2284
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:39,233
FOR TRIAL IN ENGLAND.

2285
01:13:39,233 --> 01:13:40,966
UNLIKE THE ENGLISH IMPEACHMENTS,

2286
01:13:40,966 --> 01:13:42,200
THE AMERICAN MODEL IS MORE

2287
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:44,566
LIMITED NOT ONLY IN ITS

2288
01:13:44,566 --> 01:13:46,466
APPLICATION TO JUDICIAL AND

2289
01:13:46,466 --> 01:13:47,866
EXECUTIVE OFFICIALS BUT ITS

2290
01:13:47,866 --> 01:13:48,200
GROUNDS.

2291
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:51,500
THE FRAMERS REJECTED A PROPOSAL

2292
01:13:51,500 --> 01:13:53,300
TO ADD MALE ADMINISTRATION

2293
01:13:53,300 --> 01:13:55,100
BECAUSE MADISON OBJECTED THAT SO

2294
01:13:55,100 --> 01:13:59,400
VAGUE A TERM WOULD BE EQUIVALENT

2295
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:01,266
TO A TENURE DURING THE PLEASURE

2296
01:14:01,266 --> 01:14:03,933
OF THE STATE.

2297
01:14:03,933 --> 01:14:07,466
IN THE END, VARIOUS THINGS WERE

2298
01:14:07,466 --> 01:14:08,200
OBJECTED.

2299
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:11,133
CORRUPTION, OBTAINING OFFICE BY

2300
01:14:11,133 --> 01:14:15,233
IMPROPER MEANS, NEGLIGENCE,

2301
01:14:15,233 --> 01:14:21,100
SPECULATION AND OPPRESSION.

2302
01:14:21,100 --> 01:14:24,200
PERFORTY AND LYING ARE RELEVANT

2303
01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:24,500
HERE.

2304
01:14:24,500 --> 01:14:26,933
MY TESTIMONY EXPLORES NIXON,

2305
01:14:26,933 --> 01:14:28,833
JOHNSON AND CLINTON'S

2306
01:14:28,833 --> 01:14:29,266
IMPEACHMENTS.

2307
01:14:29,266 --> 01:14:30,866
THE CLOSEST OF THE THREE CASES

2308
01:14:30,866 --> 01:14:33,500
IS TO 1868 IMPEACHMENT OF ANDREW

2309
01:14:33,500 --> 01:14:33,833
JOHNSON.

2310
01:14:33,833 --> 01:14:35,866
IT'S NOT A MODEL OR AN

2311
01:14:35,866 --> 01:14:37,933
ASSOCIATION THAT THIS COMMITTEE

2312
01:14:37,933 --> 01:14:38,533
SHOULD RELISH.

2313
01:14:38,533 --> 01:14:42,300
IN THAT CASE, A GROUP OF

2314
01:14:42,300 --> 01:14:43,433
OPPONENTS OF THE PRESIDENT

2315
01:14:43,433 --> 01:14:46,266
CALLED THE RADICAL REPUBLICANS

2316
01:14:46,266 --> 01:14:47,400
CREATED A TRAP DOOR CRIME IN

2317
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:49,733
ORDER TO IMPEACH THE PRESIDENT.

2318
01:14:49,733 --> 01:14:53,866
THEY DEFINED IT AS A HIGH

2319
01:14:53,866 --> 01:14:54,333
MISDEMEANOR.

2320
01:14:54,333 --> 01:14:55,600
IT WAS ANOTHER SHARED ASPECT

2321
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:57,833
BESIDES THE ATMOSPHERE OF THAT

2322
01:14:57,833 --> 01:15:00,300
IMPEACHMENT AND ALSO THE

2323
01:15:00,300 --> 01:15:03,466
UNCONVENTIONAL STYLE OF THE TWO

2324
01:15:03,466 --> 01:15:03,933
PRESIDENTS.

2325
01:15:03,933 --> 01:15:06,633
THAT SHARED ELEMENT IS SPEED.

2326
01:15:06,633 --> 01:15:08,600
THIS IMPEACHMENT WOULD RIVAL THE

2327
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:10,366
JOHNSON IMPEACHMENT AS THE

2328
01:15:10,366 --> 01:15:11,900
SHORTEST IN HISTORY DEPENDING ON

2329
01:15:11,900 --> 01:15:15,433
HOW ONE COUNTS THE RELEVANT

2330
01:15:15,433 --> 01:15:16,000
DAYS.

2331
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:17,633
NOW, THERE'S THREE DISTINCTIONS

2332
01:15:17,633 --> 01:15:20,900
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE OR THREE

2333
01:15:20,900 --> 01:15:22,300
COMMONALITIES WHEN YOU LOOK AT

2334
01:15:22,300 --> 01:15:23,433
THESE PAST CASES.

2335
01:15:23,433 --> 01:15:26,266
ALL INVOLVED ESTABLISHED CRIMES.

2336
01:15:26,266 --> 01:15:28,266
THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST

2337
01:15:28,266 --> 01:15:29,966
IMPEACHMENT IN HISTORY WHERE

2338
01:15:29,966 --> 01:15:31,433
THERE WOULD BE CONSIDERABLE

2339
01:15:31,433 --> 01:15:33,666
DEBATE AND IN MY VIEW NOT

2340
01:15:33,666 --> 01:15:34,533
COMPELLING EVIDENCE OF THE

2341
01:15:34,533 --> 01:15:35,900
COMMISSION OF A CRIME.

2342
01:15:35,900 --> 01:15:39,433
SECOND IS THE APPRECIATED PERIOD

2343
01:15:39,433 --> 01:15:41,866
OF THIS INVESTIGATION, WHICH IS

2344
01:15:41,866 --> 01:15:43,433
PROBLEMATIC AND PUZZLING.

2345
01:15:43,433 --> 01:15:47,066
THIS IS A FACIALLY INCOMPLETE

2346
01:15:47,066 --> 01:15:48,766
AND INADEQUATE RECORD IN ORDER

2347
01:15:48,766 --> 01:15:50,400
TO IMPEACH A PRESIDENT.

2348
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:52,966
ALLOW ME TO BE CANDID MANY MY

2349
01:15:52,966 --> 01:15:54,666
CLOSING REMARKS BECAUSE WE HAVE

2350
01:15:54,666 --> 01:15:55,400
LIMITED TIME.

2351
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:59,433
WE ARE LIVING IN THE VERY PERIOD

2352
01:15:59,433 --> 01:16:02,533
DESCRIBED BY ALEXANDER HAMILTON.

2353
01:16:02,533 --> 01:16:05,933
A PERIOD OF AGITATED PASSIONS.

2354
01:16:05,933 --> 01:16:07,466
I GET IT.

2355
01:16:07,466 --> 01:16:09,633
YOU'RE MAD.

2356
01:16:09,633 --> 01:16:10,666
THE PRESIDENT IS MAD.

2357
01:16:10,666 --> 01:16:13,666
MY REPUBLICAN FRIENDS ARE MAN.

2358
01:16:13,666 --> 01:16:18,566
MY DEMOCRATIC FRIENDS ARE MAD.

2359
01:16:18,566 --> 01:16:20,266
MY WIFE IS MAD.

2360
01:16:20,266 --> 01:16:23,900
MY KIDS ARE MAD.

2361
01:16:23,900 --> 01:16:30,033
EVEN MY DOG SEEMS MAD.

2362
01:16:30,033 --> 01:16:32,533
WE'RE ALL MAD.

2363
01:16:32,533 --> 01:16:34,100
WHERE IS THAT TAKING US?

2364
01:16:34,100 --> 01:16:36,466
IN THE SLIP SHOP OF IMPEACHMENT

2365
01:16:36,466 --> 01:16:37,500
MADE US LESS MAD?

2366
01:16:37,500 --> 01:16:40,133
WILL IT ONLY INVITE AN

2367
01:16:40,133 --> 01:16:42,266
INVITATION FOR THE MADNESS TO

2368
01:16:42,266 --> 01:16:44,733
FOLLOW EVERY FUTURE

2369
01:16:44,733 --> 01:16:45,200
ADMINISTRATION?

2370
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:47,133
THAT'S WHY THIS IS WRONG.

2371
01:16:47,133 --> 01:16:48,566
IT'S NOT WRONG BECAUSE PRESIDENT

2372
01:16:48,566 --> 01:16:49,833
TRUMP IS RIGHT.

2373
01:16:49,833 --> 01:16:51,800
HIS CALL WAS ANYTHING BUT

2374
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:52,133
PERFECT.

2375
01:16:52,133 --> 01:16:53,566
IT'S NOT WRONG BECAUSE THE HOUSE

2376
01:16:53,566 --> 01:16:55,300
HAS NO LEGITIMATE REASON TO

2377
01:16:55,300 --> 01:16:57,633
INVESTIGATION THE UKRAINIAN

2378
01:16:57,633 --> 01:16:58,033
CONTROVERSY.

2379
01:16:58,033 --> 01:16:59,433
IT'S NOT WRONG BECAUSE WE'RE IN

2380
01:16:59,433 --> 01:17:01,066
AN ELECTION YEAR.

2381
01:17:01,066 --> 01:17:04,166
THERE'S NO GOOD TIME FOR AN

2382
01:17:04,166 --> 01:17:04,866
IMPEACHMENT.

2383
01:17:04,866 --> 01:17:07,200
NO, IT'S WRONG BECAUSE THIS IS

2384
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:10,366
NOT HOW YOU IMPEACH AN AMERICAN

2385
01:17:10,366 --> 01:17:10,733
PRESIDENT.

2386
01:17:10,733 --> 01:17:13,866
THIS CASE IS NOT A CASE OF THE

2387
01:17:13,866 --> 01:17:14,266
UNKNOWABLE.

2388
01:17:14,266 --> 01:17:17,300
IT'S A CASE OF THE PERIPHERAL.

2389
01:17:17,300 --> 01:17:20,766
WE HAVE A REGARD OF CONFLICTS,

2390
01:17:20,766 --> 01:17:22,833
DEFENSES A HAVE NOT BEEN

2391
01:17:22,833 --> 01:17:23,900
CONSIDERED, UNSUBPOENAED

2392
01:17:23,900 --> 01:17:24,766
WITNESSES WITH MATERIAL

2393
01:17:24,766 --> 01:17:25,233
EVIDENCE.

2394
01:17:25,233 --> 01:17:27,466
TO IMPEACH A PRESIDENT ON THIS

2395
01:17:27,466 --> 01:17:29,900
RECORD WOULD EXPOSE EVERY FUTURE

2396
01:17:29,900 --> 01:17:33,600
PRESIDENT TO THE SAME

2397
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:34,000
IMPEACHMENT.

2398
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:35,333
PRINCIPLE TAKES US TO A PLACE WE

2399
01:17:35,333 --> 01:17:37,566
PREFER NOT TO BE.

2400
01:17:37,566 --> 01:17:40,000
THAT WAS A PLACE SEVEN

2401
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:41,033
REPUBLICANS FOUND THEMSELVES IN

2402
01:17:41,033 --> 01:17:42,033
THE JOHNSON TRIAL WHEN THEY

2403
01:17:42,033 --> 01:17:46,733
SAVED A PRESIDENT FROM ACQUITTAL

2404
01:17:46,733 --> 01:17:47,900
THAT THEY DESPISED.

2405
01:17:47,900 --> 01:17:50,366
FOR GENERATIONS, THEY CELEBRATED

2406
01:17:50,366 --> 01:17:53,200
AS PROFILES OF COURAGE.

2407
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:54,600
SENATOR ROSS SAID IT WAS LIKE

2408
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:56,900
LOOKING DOWN IN HIS OPEN GRAVE.

2409
01:17:56,900 --> 01:17:58,600
HE JUMPED.

2410
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:02,033
BECAUSE HE DIDN'T HAVE ANY

2411
01:18:02,033 --> 01:18:02,433
ALTERNATIVE.

2412
01:18:02,433 --> 01:18:03,433
IT'S EASY TO CELEBRATE THOSE

2413
01:18:03,433 --> 01:18:05,733
PEOPLE FROM THE DISTANCE OF TIME

2414
01:18:05,733 --> 01:18:06,700
AND CIRCUMSTANCE IN AN AGE OF

2415
01:18:06,700 --> 01:18:08,166
RAGE THAT IS APPEALING TO LISTEN

2416
01:18:08,166 --> 01:18:10,900
TO THOSE SAYING FORGET THE

2417
01:18:10,900 --> 01:18:11,933
DEFINITIONS OF CRIMES.

2418
01:18:11,933 --> 01:18:14,166
JUST DO IT.

2419
01:18:14,166 --> 01:18:17,533
LIKE THIS IS SOME IMPULSE BUY

2420
01:18:17,533 --> 01:18:18,400
NIKE SNEAKER.

2421
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:20,100
YOU CERTAINLY WOULD DO THAT.

2422
01:18:20,100 --> 01:18:22,966
YOU CAN DECLARE THE DEFINITIONS

2423
01:18:22,966 --> 01:18:24,466
OF CRIMES ALLEGED OR IMMATERIAL

2424
01:18:24,466 --> 01:18:26,866
AND AN EXERCISE OF POLITICS, NOT

2425
01:18:26,866 --> 01:18:27,933
THE LAW.

2426
01:18:27,933 --> 01:18:29,033
HOWEVER, THOSE LEGAL DEFINITIONS

2427
01:18:29,033 --> 01:18:30,833
AN STANDARDS, WHICH I'VE

2428
01:18:30,833 --> 01:18:33,033
ADDRESSED IN MY TESTIMONY ARE

2429
01:18:33,033 --> 01:18:36,400
THE VERY THING THAT DIVIDE RAGE

2430
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:38,466
FROM REASON.

2431
01:18:38,466 --> 01:18:41,033
THIS ALL BRINGS UP TO ME, AND I

2432
01:18:41,033 --> 01:18:43,433
WILL CONCLUDE WITH THIS, A SCENE

2433
01:18:43,433 --> 01:18:47,433
FROM "A MAN FOR ALL SEASONS" BY

2434
01:18:47,433 --> 01:18:50,333
SIR THOMAS MOORE WHEN HIS

2435
01:18:50,333 --> 01:18:52,766
SON-IN-LAW PUT THE LAW --

2436
01:18:52,766 --> 01:18:53,900
SUGGESTED THAT MOORE WAS PUTTING

2437
01:18:53,900 --> 01:18:56,833
THE LAW AHEAD OF MORALITY.

2438
01:18:56,833 --> 01:18:58,966
HE SAID MOORE WOULD GIVE THE

2439
01:18:58,966 --> 01:19:01,200
DEVIL THE BENEFIT OF THE LAW.

2440
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:03,433
WHEN MOORE ASKS ROPER, WOULD HE

2441
01:19:03,433 --> 01:19:04,600
INSTEAD CUT A GREAT ROAD THROUGH

2442
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:07,500
THE LAW TO GET AFTER THE DEVIL?

2443
01:19:07,500 --> 01:19:11,200
ROPER PROUDLY DECLARED YES.

2444
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:13,533
I'D DOWN EVERY LAW OF ENGLAND TO

2445
01:19:13,533 --> 01:19:14,466
DO THAT.

2446
01:19:14,466 --> 01:19:16,766
MOORE RESPONDS, AND WHEN THE

2447
01:19:16,766 --> 01:19:19,366
LAST LAW IS CUT DOWN AND THE

2448
01:19:19,366 --> 01:19:23,466
DEVIL TURNED AROUND ON YOU,

2449
01:19:23,466 --> 01:19:26,133
WHERE WOULD YOU HIDE, ROPER, ALL

2450
01:19:26,133 --> 01:19:28,100
THE LAWS BEING FLAT IN HE SAID

2451
01:19:28,100 --> 01:19:29,400
THIS COUNTRY IS PLANTED WITH

2452
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:30,933
THICK LAWS COAST TO COAST.

2453
01:19:30,933 --> 01:19:32,500
MAN'S LAWS, NOT GODS.

2454
01:19:32,500 --> 01:19:34,600
IF YOU CULT THEM DOWN AND YOU'RE

2455
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:37,433
JUST THE MAN TO DO IT, DO YOU

2456
01:19:37,433 --> 01:19:39,466
REALLY THINK YOU CAN STAND

2457
01:19:39,466 --> 01:19:41,300
UPRIGHT IN THE WINDS THAT WOULD

2458
01:19:41,300 --> 01:19:41,933
BLOW THEN?

2459
01:19:41,933 --> 01:19:44,866
HE FINISHED BY SAYING YES, I'D

2460
01:19:44,866 --> 01:19:46,200
GIVE THE DEVIL THE BENEFIT OF

2461
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:47,933
THE LAW FOR MY OWN SAKE.

2462
01:19:47,933 --> 01:19:50,500
SO I WILL CONCLUDE WITH THIS.

2463
01:19:50,500 --> 01:19:53,666
BOTH SIDES OF THIS CONTROVERSY

2464
01:19:53,666 --> 01:19:56,700
HAVE DEMONIZED THE OTHER TO

2465
01:19:56,700 --> 01:19:59,900
JUSTIFY ANY MEASURE IN THEIR

2466
01:19:59,900 --> 01:20:02,133
DEFENSE MUCH LIKE ROPER.

2467
01:20:02,133 --> 01:20:04,933
PERHAPS THAT'S THE SADDEST PART

2468
01:20:04,933 --> 01:20:07,433
OF ALL OF THIS.

2469
01:20:07,433 --> 01:20:10,233
WE HAVE FORGOTTEN THE COMMON

2470
01:20:10,233 --> 01:20:13,666
ARTICLE OF FAITH THAT BINDS EACH

2471
01:20:13,666 --> 01:20:17,633
OF US TO EACH OTHER IN OUR

2472
01:20:17,633 --> 01:20:18,066
CONSTITUTION.

2473
01:20:18,066 --> 01:20:19,266
HOWEVER, BEFORE WE CUT DOWN THE

2474
01:20:19,266 --> 01:20:21,433
TREE SO CAREFULLY PLANTED BY THE

2475
01:20:21,433 --> 01:20:22,700
FRAMERS, I HOPE YOU WILL

2476
01:20:22,700 --> 01:20:25,000
CONSIDER WHAT YOU WILL DO WHEN

2477
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:27,400
THE WIND BLOWS AGAIN.

2478
01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:30,433
PERHAPS FOR A DEMOCRATIC

2479
01:20:30,433 --> 01:20:30,800
PRESIDENT.

2480
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:33,366
WHERE WILL YOU STAND THEN?

2481
01:20:33,366 --> 01:20:35,766
WHEN ALL THE LAWS BEING FLAT?

2482
01:20:35,766 --> 01:20:37,833
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE HONOR OF

2483
01:20:37,833 --> 01:20:39,066
TESTIFYING TODAY.

2484
01:20:39,066 --> 01:20:41,200
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY

2485
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:41,766
QUESTIONS.

2486
01:20:41,766 --> 01:20:45,133
>> I THANK THE WITNESSES.

2487
01:20:45,133 --> 01:20:47,800
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I SEEK

2488
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:48,200
RECOGNITION.

2489
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:49,166
>> FOR WHAT PURPOSE?

2490
01:20:49,166 --> 01:20:50,766
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A MOTION

2491
01:20:50,766 --> 01:20:53,866
PURSUANT TO RULE 11 SPECIFICALLY

2492
01:20:53,866 --> 01:20:55,700
2 K 6.

2493
01:20:55,700 --> 01:20:57,200
I MOVE TO SUBPOENA THE

2494
01:20:57,200 --> 01:20:58,433
INDIVIDUAL COMMONLY REFERRED TO

2495
01:20:58,433 --> 01:20:59,600
AS THE WHISTLE-BLOWER.

2496
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:01,533
I ASK --

2497
01:21:01,533 --> 01:21:03,400
>> THE GENTLEMEN STATED HIS

2498
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:03,733
MOTION.

2499
01:21:03,733 --> 01:21:04,600
MOVE TO TABLE?

2500
01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:07,233
>> I MOVE TO

2501
01:21:07,233 --> 01:21:10,233
>> MOVE TO TABLE.

2502
01:21:10,233 --> 01:21:10,800
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

2503
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:11,333
ALL OPPOSED SAY NEY.

2504
01:21:11,333 --> 01:21:12,066
MOTION TO TABLE IS APPROVED.

2505
01:21:12,066 --> 01:21:15,300
THE ROLL CALL IS REQUESTED.

2506
01:21:15,300 --> 01:21:17,900
THE CLERK WILL CALL THE ROLL.

2507
01:21:17,900 --> 01:21:41,866
[ROLL CALL].

2508
01:21:41,866 --> 01:22:23,433
[ROLL CALL].

2509
01:22:23,433 --> 01:22:47,400
[ROLL CALL].

2510
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:53,800
[ROLL CALL].

2511
01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:57,166
>> HAS EVERYONE VOTED THAT

2512
01:22:57,166 --> 01:22:58,366
WISHES TO VOTE?

2513
01:22:58,366 --> 01:23:03,300
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I WAS NOT

2514
01:23:03,300 --> 01:23:03,666
RECORDED.

2515
01:23:03,666 --> 01:23:04,466
>> NO.

2516
01:23:04,466 --> 01:23:07,033
>> ANYONE ELSE WISH TO VOTE?

2517
01:23:07,033 --> 01:23:08,900
>> HOW AM I RECORDED?

2518
01:23:08,900 --> 01:23:11,133
>> MR. SENSENBRENNER, YOU'RE NOT

2519
01:23:11,133 --> 01:23:11,500
RECORDED.

2520
01:23:11,500 --> 01:23:13,566
>> NO.

2521
01:23:13,566 --> 01:23:38,933
>> MR. SENSENBRENNER VOTES NO.

2522
01:23:38,933 --> 01:23:44,800
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, THERE'S 24 AYES

2523
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:48,500
AND 17 NOS.

2524
01:23:48,500 --> 01:23:52,233
>> PURSUANT TO H RESOLUTION 660

2525
01:23:52,233 --> 01:23:53,933
AND THE JUDICIARY PROCEDURES,

2526
01:23:53,933 --> 01:23:55,866
THERE'S 45 MINUTES OF QUESTIONS

2527
01:23:55,866 --> 01:23:57,800
CONDUCTED BY THE CHAIRMAN OR

2528
01:23:57,800 --> 01:24:00,433
MAJORITY COUNSEL FOLLOWED BY 45

2529
01:24:00,433 --> 01:24:02,400
MINUTES FOR THE RANKING MEMBER

2530
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:03,466
OR MINORITY COUNSEL.

2531
01:24:03,466 --> 01:24:09,000
ONLY THE CHAIR AND THE COUNSELS

2532
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:10,500
MAY QUESTION WITNESSES.

2533
01:24:10,500 --> 01:24:12,566
FOLLOWING THAT, UNLESS I SPECIFY

2534
01:24:12,566 --> 01:24:15,833
MORE TIME, WE WILL PROCEED UNDER

2535
01:24:15,833 --> 01:24:17,200
THE FIVE MINUTE RULES.

2536
01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:18,666
I RECOGNIZE MYSELF FOR THE FIRST

2537
01:24:18,666 --> 01:24:20,300
ROUND OF QUESTIONS.

2538
01:24:20,300 --> 01:24:21,600
PROFESSORS, THANKS FOR BEING

2539
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:22,000
HERE TODAY.

2540
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:24,266
THE COMMITTEE HAS BEEN CHARGED

2541
01:24:24,266 --> 01:24:26,600
WITH THE GRAVE RESPONSIBILITY OF

2542
01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:28,266
CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND

2543
01:24:28,266 --> 01:24:29,100
ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT AGAINST

2544
01:24:29,100 --> 01:24:29,600
THE PRESIDENT.

2545
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:32,200
I SPOKE FOR MY COLLEAGUES WHEN I

2546
01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:34,100
SAY THAT WE DO NOT TAKE THIS

2547
01:24:34,100 --> 01:24:34,433
LIGHTLY.

2548
01:24:34,433 --> 01:24:35,900
WE'RE COMMITTED TO ENSURING THAT

2549
01:24:35,900 --> 01:24:38,666
TODAY'S HEARING AS WELL AS THE

2550
01:24:38,666 --> 01:24:41,366
LARGER RESPONSIBILITY BEFORE US

2551
01:24:41,366 --> 01:24:42,966
ARE GROUNDED IN THE

2552
01:24:42,966 --> 01:24:43,400
CONSTITUTION.

2553
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:44,266
INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE'S REPORT

2554
01:24:44,266 --> 01:24:45,566
CONCLUDED THAT THE PRESIDENT

2555
01:24:45,566 --> 01:24:51,400
PRESSURED A FOREIGN LEADER TO

2556
01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:53,900
INTERFERE IN OUR ELECTIONS.

2557
01:24:53,900 --> 01:24:55,400
HE THEN SOUGHT TO PREVENT

2558
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:58,000
CONGRESS FROM INVESTIGATING HIS

2559
01:24:58,000 --> 01:24:59,433
CONDUCT BY ORDERING HIS

2560
01:24:59,433 --> 01:25:01,533
ADMINISTRATION AND EVERYONE IN

2561
01:25:01,533 --> 01:25:04,533
IT TO DEFY HOUSE SUBPOENAS.

2562
01:25:04,533 --> 01:25:06,133
PROFESSOR KARLAN, AS YOU SAID,

2563
01:25:06,133 --> 01:25:08,866
THE RIGHT TO VOTE IS THE MOST

2564
01:25:08,866 --> 01:25:10,333
PRECIOUS RIGHT IN THIS COUNTRY.

2565
01:25:10,333 --> 01:25:12,033
DOES THE PRESIDENT'S CONDUCT

2566
01:25:12,033 --> 01:25:14,333
ENDANGER THAT RIGHT?

2567
01:25:14,333 --> 01:25:19,033
>> YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, IT DOES.

2568
01:25:19,033 --> 01:25:19,733
>> THANK YOU.

2569
01:25:19,733 --> 01:25:21,200
HOW DOES IT DO SO?

2570
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:23,366
>> THE WAY IS EXACTLY WHAT

2571
01:25:23,366 --> 01:25:24,300
PRESIDENT WASHINGTON WARNED

2572
01:25:24,300 --> 01:25:25,533
ABOUT.

2573
01:25:25,533 --> 01:25:27,433
BY INVITING A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT

2574
01:25:27,433 --> 01:25:29,700
TO INFLUENCE OUR ELECTIONS, IT

2575
01:25:29,700 --> 01:25:33,766
TAKES THE RIGHT AWAY FROM THE

2576
01:25:33,766 --> 01:25:35,866
AMERICAN PEOPLE AND IT TURNS IT

2577
01:25:35,866 --> 01:25:37,500
TO A RIGHT THAT FOREIGN

2578
01:25:37,500 --> 01:25:39,066
GOVERNMENTS DECIDE TO INTERFERE

2579
01:25:39,066 --> 01:25:41,033
FOR THEIR OWN BENEFITS.

2580
01:25:41,033 --> 01:25:41,900
FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS DON'T

2581
01:25:41,900 --> 01:25:43,433
BENEFIT US, THEY INTERVENE TO

2582
01:25:43,433 --> 01:25:44,466
BENEFIT THEMSELVES.

2583
01:25:44,466 --> 01:25:45,800
>> THANK YOU.

2584
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:47,433
PROFESSOR GERHARDT, YOU HAVE

2585
01:25:47,433 --> 01:25:48,966
WRITTEN EXTENSIVELY ABOUT OUR

2586
01:25:48,966 --> 01:25:51,166
SYSTEM OF CHECKS AND BALANCES.

2587
01:25:51,166 --> 01:25:52,533
WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT SYSTEM

2588
01:25:52,533 --> 01:25:54,800
WHEN THE PRESIDENT UNDERTAKES A

2589
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:56,100
BLOCKADE OF CONGRESS'S

2590
01:25:56,100 --> 01:25:59,433
IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY?

2591
01:25:59,433 --> 01:26:01,433
HE ORDERS ALL WITNESSES NOT TO

2592
01:26:01,433 --> 01:26:01,766
TESTIFY?

2593
01:26:01,766 --> 01:26:02,433
WHAT IS OUR RECOURSE?

2594
01:26:02,433 --> 01:26:04,566
>> WHEN THE PRESIDENT DOES THAT,

2595
01:26:04,566 --> 01:26:06,400
SEPARATION OF POWERS MEANS

2596
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:06,733
NOTHING.

2597
01:26:06,733 --> 01:26:08,566
THE SUBPOENAS THAT HAVE BEEN

2598
01:26:08,566 --> 01:26:10,333
ISSUED ARE LAWFUL ORDERS.

2599
01:26:10,333 --> 01:26:12,366
IN OUR LAW SCHOOLS, WE TEACH OUR

2600
01:26:12,366 --> 01:26:14,433
STUDENTS, THIS IS EASY

2601
01:26:14,433 --> 01:26:15,100
STRAIGHTFORWARD SITUATION.

2602
01:26:15,100 --> 01:26:17,033
YOU COMPLY WITH THE LAW.

2603
01:26:17,033 --> 01:26:20,733
LAWYERS HAVE TO COMPLY WITH

2604
01:26:20,733 --> 01:26:21,100
SUBPOENAS.

2605
01:26:21,100 --> 01:26:23,200
IN THIS SITUATION, THE FULL

2606
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:27,066
SCALE OBSTRUCTION AND SUBPOENAS

2607
01:26:27,066 --> 01:26:28,500
TORPEDOS SEPARATION OF POWERS

2608
01:26:28,500 --> 01:26:30,500
AND THEREFORE YOU'RE ONLY

2609
01:26:30,500 --> 01:26:33,700
RECOURSE IS TO IN A SENSE

2610
01:26:33,700 --> 01:26:35,433
PROTECT YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL

2611
01:26:35,433 --> 01:26:35,900
PREROGATIVES.

2612
01:26:35,900 --> 01:26:39,300
>> THE SAME IS TRUE OF DEFYING

2613
01:26:39,300 --> 01:26:40,500
CONGRESSIONAL SUBPOENAS ON A

2614
01:26:40,500 --> 01:26:42,900
WHOLESALE BASIS WITH RESPECT TO

2615
01:26:42,900 --> 01:26:45,400
OVERSIGHT, NOT JUST IMPEACHMENT?

2616
01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:46,133
>> ABSOLUTELY.

2617
01:26:46,133 --> 01:26:46,500
YES, SIR.

2618
01:26:46,500 --> 01:26:49,566
>> THANK YOU.

2619
01:26:49,566 --> 01:26:50,433
PROFESSOR FELDMAN.

2620
01:26:50,433 --> 01:26:53,200
AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE FRAMERS

2621
01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:58,133
INTENDED IMPEACHMENT TO BE USED

2622
01:26:58,133 --> 01:26:58,566
INFREQUENTLY.

2623
01:26:58,566 --> 01:26:59,100
NOT AS PUNISHMENT.

2624
01:26:59,100 --> 01:27:02,033
TO SAFE OUR DEMOCRACY FROM

2625
01:27:02,033 --> 01:27:03,800
THREATS SO SIGNIFICANT WE CANNOT

2626
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:08,133
WAIT TILL THE NEXT ELECTION.

2627
01:27:08,133 --> 01:27:09,466
DO WE FACE THAT THREAT?

2628
01:27:09,466 --> 01:27:11,400
IS IMPEACHMENT THE APPROPRIATE

2629
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:12,166
RECOURSE HERE?

2630
01:27:12,166 --> 01:27:13,533
THOSE ARE TWO QUESTIONS.

2631
01:27:13,533 --> 01:27:17,333
>> THE FRAMERS RESERVED

2632
01:27:17,333 --> 01:27:18,966
IMPEACHMENT FOR SITUATIONS WHERE

2633
01:27:18,966 --> 01:27:21,333
THE PRESIDENT ABUSED HIS OFFICE,

2634
01:27:21,333 --> 01:27:22,900
THAT IS USED IT'S FOR HIS

2635
01:27:22,900 --> 01:27:23,666
PERSONAL ADVANTAGE AND IN

2636
01:27:23,666 --> 01:27:25,033
PARTICULAR THEY WERE

2637
01:27:25,033 --> 01:27:26,033
SPECIFICALLY WORRIED ABOUT A

2638
01:27:26,033 --> 01:27:27,233
SITUATION WHERE THE PRESIDENT

2639
01:27:27,233 --> 01:27:29,900
USED HIS OFFICE TO FACILITATE

2640
01:27:29,900 --> 01:27:31,433
CORRUPTLY HIS OWN RE-ELECTION.

2641
01:27:31,433 --> 01:27:32,800
THAT'S WHY THEY THOUGHT THEY

2642
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:33,966
NEEDED IMPEACHMENT AND WHY

2643
01:27:33,966 --> 01:27:35,766
WAITING FOR THE NEXT ELECTION

2644
01:27:35,766 --> 01:27:36,600
WASN'T GOOD ENOUGH.

2645
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:39,033
ON THE FACTS THAT WE HAVE BEFORE

2646
01:27:39,033 --> 01:27:41,866
THE HOUSE RIGHT NOW, THE

2647
01:27:41,866 --> 01:27:44,833
PRESIDENT SOLICITED ASSISTANCE

2648
01:27:44,833 --> 01:27:45,833
FROM A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT IN

2649
01:27:45,833 --> 01:27:47,900
ORDER TO ASSIST HIS OWN

2650
01:27:47,900 --> 01:27:48,300
RE-ELECTION.

2651
01:27:48,300 --> 01:27:50,566
THAT HE USED THE POWER OF HIS

2652
01:27:50,566 --> 01:27:53,100
OFFICE THAT NO ONE ELSE COULD

2653
01:27:53,100 --> 01:27:55,266
POSSIBLY HAVE USED IN ORDER TO

2654
01:27:55,266 --> 01:27:56,566
GAIN PERSONAL ADVANTAGE FOR

2655
01:27:56,566 --> 01:27:58,433
HIMSELF, DISTORTING THE

2656
01:27:58,433 --> 01:27:58,800
ELECTION.

2657
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:00,466
THAT'S WHAT THE FRAMERS

2658
01:28:00,466 --> 01:28:00,866
ANTICIPATED.

2659
01:28:00,866 --> 01:28:01,333
>> THANK YOU.

2660
01:28:01,333 --> 01:28:03,166
I NOW YIELD THE REMAINDER OF

2661
01:28:03,166 --> 01:28:05,633
MR. TIME FOR MR. EISEN FOR

2662
01:28:05,633 --> 01:28:06,133
COUNSEL QUESTIONS.

2663
01:28:06,133 --> 01:28:08,033
>> GOOD MORNING, PROFESSORS.

2664
01:28:08,033 --> 01:28:10,100
THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

2665
01:28:10,100 --> 01:28:13,700
I WANT TO ASK YOU SOME QUESTIONS

2666
01:28:13,700 --> 01:28:15,433
ABOUT THE FOLLOWING HIGH CRIMES

2667
01:28:15,433 --> 01:28:17,100
AND MISDEMEANORS THAT WERE

2668
01:28:17,100 --> 01:28:19,466
MENTIONED IN THE OPENING

2669
01:28:19,466 --> 01:28:19,866
STATEMENTS.

2670
01:28:19,866 --> 01:28:23,466
ABUSE OF POWER AND BRIBERY.

2671
01:28:23,466 --> 01:28:27,233
OBSTRUCTION OF CONGRESS.

2672
01:28:27,233 --> 01:28:28,700
OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE.

2673
01:28:28,700 --> 01:28:30,733
PROFESSOR FELDMAN, WHAT IS ABUSE

2674
01:28:30,733 --> 01:28:31,566
OF POWER?

2675
01:28:31,566 --> 01:28:34,466
>> ABUSE OF POWER IS WHEN THE

2676
01:28:34,466 --> 01:28:35,933
PRESIDENT USES HIS OFFICE, TAKES

2677
01:28:35,933 --> 01:28:38,966
AN ACTION THAT IS PART OF THE

2678
01:28:38,966 --> 01:28:40,133
PRESIDENCY, NOT TO SERVE THE

2679
01:28:40,133 --> 01:28:41,933
PUBLIC INTERESTS BUT TO SERVE

2680
01:28:41,933 --> 01:28:44,233
HIS PRIVATE BENEFIT AND IN

2681
01:28:44,233 --> 01:28:45,966
PARTICULAR AN ABUSE OF POWER IF

2682
01:28:45,966 --> 01:28:48,400
HE DOES TO IT FACILITATE HIS

2683
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:50,066
RE-ELECTION OR GAIN AN ADVANTAGE

2684
01:28:50,066 --> 01:28:51,533
NOT AVAILABLE TO ANYONE THAT IS

2685
01:28:51,533 --> 01:28:52,200
NOT THE PRESIDENT.

2686
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:55,833
>> SIR, WHY IS THAT IMPEACHABLE

2687
01:28:55,833 --> 01:28:56,433
CONDUCT?

2688
01:28:56,433 --> 01:28:59,000
>> IF THE PRESIDENT USES HIS

2689
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:00,833
OFFICE FOR PERSONAL GAIN, THE

2690
01:29:00,833 --> 01:29:02,533
ONLY RECOURSE AVAILABLE UNDER

2691
01:29:02,533 --> 01:29:04,633
THE CONSTITUTION IS FOR HIM TO

2692
01:29:04,633 --> 01:29:05,966
BE IMPEACH.

2693
01:29:05,966 --> 01:29:08,400
THE PRESIDENT CANNOT BE AS A

2694
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:09,966
PRACTICAL MATTER CHARGED

2695
01:29:09,966 --> 01:29:10,966
CRIMINALLY WHILE HE WAS IN

2696
01:29:10,966 --> 01:29:12,200
OFFICE BECAUSE THE DEPARTMENT OF

2697
01:29:12,200 --> 01:29:13,266
JUSTICE WORKS FOR THE PRESIDENT.

2698
01:29:13,266 --> 01:29:20,466
SO THE ONLY MECHANISM AVAILABLE

2699
01:29:20,466 --> 01:29:21,333
IS TO IMPEACH HIM.

2700
01:29:21,333 --> 01:29:23,966
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE IMPEACHMENT.

2701
01:29:23,966 --> 01:29:27,033
>> PROFESSOR KARLAN, DO SCHOLARS

2702
01:29:27,033 --> 01:29:28,433
OF IMPEACHMENT GENERALLY AGREE

2703
01:29:28,433 --> 01:29:31,466
THAT ABUSE OF POWER IS AN

2704
01:29:31,466 --> 01:29:35,466
IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE?

2705
01:29:35,466 --> 01:29:37,933
>> YES.

2706
01:29:37,933 --> 01:29:39,300
>> PROFESSOR GERHARDT, DO YOU

2707
01:29:39,300 --> 01:29:41,266
BELIEVE THAT IT IS IMPEACHABLE?

2708
01:29:41,266 --> 01:29:41,800
>> YES.

2709
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:43,400
>> I'D LIKE TO FOCUS ON THE

2710
01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:46,766
PANEL AND THE FINDINGS IN THE

2711
01:29:46,766 --> 01:29:47,500
INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE REPORT

2712
01:29:47,500 --> 01:29:50,633
THAT THE PRESIDENT SOLICITED THE

2713
01:29:50,633 --> 01:29:51,433
INTERFERENCE OF A FOREIGN

2714
01:29:51,433 --> 01:29:55,733
GOVERNMENT, UKRAINE, IN THE 2020

2715
01:29:55,733 --> 01:29:59,133
U.S. PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

2716
01:29:59,133 --> 01:30:01,600
PROFESSOR FELDMAN, DID PRESIDENT

2717
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:03,400
TRUMP COMMIT THE IMPEACHABLE

2718
01:30:03,400 --> 01:30:05,700
HIGH CRIME AND MISDEMEANOR OF

2719
01:30:05,700 --> 01:30:07,433
ABUSE OF POWER BASED ON THAT

2720
01:30:07,433 --> 01:30:08,900
EVIDENCE AND THOSE FINDINGS?

2721
01:30:08,900 --> 01:30:10,333
>> BASED ON THAT EVIDENCE AND

2722
01:30:10,333 --> 01:30:11,866
THOSE FINDINGS, THE PRESIDENT

2723
01:30:11,866 --> 01:30:13,833
DID COMMIT AN IMPEACHABLE ABUSE

2724
01:30:13,833 --> 01:30:14,966
OF OFFICE.

2725
01:30:14,966 --> 01:30:17,866
>> PROFESSOR KARLAN, SAME

2726
01:30:17,866 --> 01:30:18,233
QUESTION.

2727
01:30:18,233 --> 01:30:19,400
>> SAME ANSWER.

2728
01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:22,233
>> AND PROFESSOR GERHARDT, DID

2729
01:30:22,233 --> 01:30:23,733
PRESIDENT TRUMP COMMIT THE

2730
01:30:23,733 --> 01:30:25,000
IMPEACHABLE HIGH CRIME AND

2731
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:27,400
MISDEMEANOR OF ABUSE OF POWER?

2732
01:30:27,400 --> 01:30:30,600
>> WE THREE ARE UNANIMOUS.

2733
01:30:30,600 --> 01:30:30,866
YES.

2734
01:30:30,866 --> 01:30:33,900
>> PROFESSOR FELDMAN, I'D LIKE

2735
01:30:33,900 --> 01:30:35,866
TO QUICKLY LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE

2736
01:30:35,866 --> 01:30:37,133
AND IN THE REPORT.

2737
01:30:37,133 --> 01:30:39,100
JULY 25th, PRESIDENT TRUMP TOLD

2738
01:30:39,100 --> 01:30:40,566
THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE AND I

2739
01:30:40,566 --> 01:30:42,933
QUOTE "I WOULD LIKE YOU TO DO US

2740
01:30:42,933 --> 01:30:44,166
A FAVOR THOUGH."

2741
01:30:44,166 --> 01:30:46,633
AND HE ASKED ABOUT LOOKING INTO

2742
01:30:46,633 --> 01:30:47,400
THE BIDENS.

2743
01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:51,600
WAS THE MEN RANDOM OF THAT CALL

2744
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:53,433
RELEVANT TO YOUR OPINIONS THAT

2745
01:30:53,433 --> 01:30:55,900
THE PRESIDENT COMMITTED ABUSE OF

2746
01:30:55,900 --> 01:30:56,200
POWER?

2747
01:30:56,200 --> 01:30:59,233
>> THE MEN RANDOM IS CRUCIAL TO

2748
01:30:59,233 --> 01:30:59,933
THE DETERMINATION THAT THE

2749
01:30:59,933 --> 01:31:02,333
PRESIDENT ABUSED HIS OFFICE.

2750
01:31:02,333 --> 01:31:04,300
>> DID YOU CONSIDER THE FINDINGS

2751
01:31:04,300 --> 01:31:05,900
OF FACT THAT THE INTELLIGENCE

2752
01:31:05,900 --> 01:31:07,433
COMMITTEE MADE INCLUDING THAT

2753
01:31:07,433 --> 01:31:10,666
AND AGAIN, I QUOTE, THE

2754
01:31:10,666 --> 01:31:12,466
PRESIDENT WITHHELD OFFICIAL ACTS

2755
01:31:12,466 --> 01:31:15,200
OF VALUE TO UKRAINE AND

2756
01:31:15,200 --> 01:31:17,666
CONDITIONED THEIR FULFILLMENT ON

2757
01:31:17,666 --> 01:31:19,166
ACTIONS BY UKRAINE THAT WOULD

2758
01:31:19,166 --> 01:31:21,266
BENEFIT HIS PERSONAL, POLITICAL

2759
01:31:21,266 --> 01:31:21,633
INTERESTS?

2760
01:31:21,633 --> 01:31:21,966
>> YES.

2761
01:31:21,966 --> 01:31:23,066
IN MAKING THE DETERMINATION THAT

2762
01:31:23,066 --> 01:31:24,966
THE PRESIDENT COMMITTED AN

2763
01:31:24,966 --> 01:31:26,566
IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE, I RELIED ON

2764
01:31:26,566 --> 01:31:27,866
THE EVIDENCE BEFORE THE HOUSE

2765
01:31:27,866 --> 01:31:29,166
AND THE TESTIMONY AND WHEN THIS

2766
01:31:29,166 --> 01:31:31,600
REPORT WAS ISSUED, I CONTINUE TO

2767
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:32,366
RELY ON THAT.

2768
01:31:32,366 --> 01:31:36,000
>> SIR, DID YOU REVIEW THE

2769
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:38,333
FOLLOWING TESTIMONY FROM OUR

2770
01:31:38,333 --> 01:31:40,100
AMBASSADOR TO UKRAINE,

2771
01:31:40,100 --> 01:31:41,866
AMBASSADOR WILLIAM TAYLOR?

2772
01:31:41,866 --> 01:31:45,066
>> TO WITHHOLD THAT ASSISTANCE,

2773
01:31:45,066 --> 01:31:46,900
FOR NO GOOD REASON OTHER THAN

2774
01:31:46,900 --> 01:31:49,833
HELP WITH THE POLITICAL

2775
01:31:49,833 --> 01:31:51,066
CAMPAIGN, MADE NO SENSE.

2776
01:31:51,066 --> 01:31:53,733
IT WAS COUNTER PRODUCTIVE TO ALL

2777
01:31:53,733 --> 01:31:56,400
OF WHAT WE HAD BEEN TRYING TO

2778
01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:56,766
DO.

2779
01:31:56,766 --> 01:32:00,300
IT WAS ILLOGICAL, COULD NOT BE

2780
01:32:00,300 --> 01:32:00,666
EXPLAINED.

2781
01:32:00,666 --> 01:32:01,700
IT WAS CRAZY.

2782
01:32:01,700 --> 01:32:02,166
>> YES.

2783
01:32:02,166 --> 01:32:03,733
THAT EVIDENCE UNDERSCORED THE

2784
01:32:03,733 --> 01:32:05,933
WAY THAT THE PRESIDENT'S ACTIONS

2785
01:32:05,933 --> 01:32:07,433
UNDERCUT NATIONAL SECURITY.

2786
01:32:07,433 --> 01:32:11,433
>> PROFESSOR FELDMAN, WILL YOU

2787
01:32:11,433 --> 01:32:14,600
PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY YOU CONCLUDED

2788
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:16,000
THAT THE PRESIDENT COMMITTED THE

2789
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:19,433
HIGH CRIME OF ABUSE OF POWER AND

2790
01:32:19,433 --> 01:32:20,766
WHY IT MATTERS.

2791
01:32:20,766 --> 01:32:22,733
>> THE ABUSE OF POWER OCCURS

2792
01:32:22,733 --> 01:32:25,433
WHEN THE PRESIDENT USES HIS

2793
01:32:25,433 --> 01:32:27,333
OFFICE FOR PERSONAL ADVANTAGE OR

2794
01:32:27,333 --> 01:32:27,633
GAIN.

2795
01:32:27,633 --> 01:32:29,966
THAT MATTER IS FUNDAMENTAL TO

2796
01:32:29,966 --> 01:32:31,400
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BECAUSE IF

2797
01:32:31,400 --> 01:32:33,500
WE CANNOT IMPEACH A PRESIDENT

2798
01:32:33,500 --> 01:32:34,700
WHO ABUSES HIS OFFICE FOR

2799
01:32:34,700 --> 01:32:36,366
PERSONAL ADVANTAGE, WE NO LONGER

2800
01:32:36,366 --> 01:32:37,766
LIVE IN A DEMOCRACY.

2801
01:32:37,766 --> 01:32:40,833
WE LIVE IN A MONARCHY OR WE LOVE

2802
01:32:40,833 --> 01:32:41,700
UNDER A DICTATOR SHIP.

2803
01:32:41,700 --> 01:32:44,433
THAT'S WHY THE FRAMERS CREATED

2804
01:32:44,433 --> 01:32:47,866
THE POSSIBILITY OF IMPEACHMENT.

2805
01:32:47,866 --> 01:32:51,300
>> PROFESSOR KARLAN, THIS HIGHS

2806
01:32:51,300 --> 01:32:53,866
CRIME AND ABUSE OF POWER, WAS IT

2807
01:32:53,866 --> 01:32:55,766
SOME KIND OF LOOSE OR UNDEFINED

2808
01:32:55,766 --> 01:32:57,266
CONCEPT TO THE FOUNDERS OF OUR

2809
01:32:57,266 --> 01:33:00,433
COUNTRY AND THE FRAMERS OF OUR

2810
01:33:00,433 --> 01:33:00,866
CONSTITUTION?

2811
01:33:00,866 --> 01:33:02,800
>> NO, I DON'T THINK IT WAS AN

2812
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:05,333
A -- IT WAS A LOOSE CONCEPT AT

2813
01:33:05,333 --> 01:33:05,600
ALL.

2814
01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:08,466
IT HAD A LONG LINEAGE IN THE

2815
01:33:08,466 --> 01:33:11,433
COMMON LAW IN ENGLAND, OF

2816
01:33:11,433 --> 01:33:13,000
PARLIAMENTARY IMPEACHMENTS OF

2817
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:14,400
LOWER LEVEL OFFICERS.

2818
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:15,433
OBVIOUSLY THEY HAD NOT TALKED

2819
01:33:15,433 --> 01:33:18,066
ABOUT IMPEACHING AS YOU HEARD

2820
01:33:18,066 --> 01:33:20,266
EARLIER, THE KING OR THE LIKE.

2821
01:33:20,266 --> 01:33:21,866
>> CAN YOU SHARE A LITTLE BIT

2822
01:33:21,866 --> 01:33:24,866
ABOUT THAT LINEAGE, PLEASE?

2823
01:33:24,866 --> 01:33:26,233
>> YES.

2824
01:33:26,233 --> 01:33:33,466
SO THE -- THE PARLIAMENT IN

2825
01:33:33,466 --> 01:33:35,233
ENGLAND IMPEACHED POWER WHEN

2826
01:33:35,233 --> 01:33:36,800
THEY ABUSED THEIR POWER.

2827
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:39,400
RIGHT AFTER THE RESTORATION OF

2828
01:33:39,400 --> 01:33:43,300
THE KINGSHIP IN ENGLAND, THERE

2829
01:33:43,300 --> 01:33:44,266
WAS AN IMPEACHMENT.

2830
01:33:44,266 --> 01:33:45,933
YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY IMPEACH

2831
01:33:45,933 --> 01:33:47,900
SOMEBODY, YOU HAVE TO SAY WHAT

2832
01:33:47,900 --> 01:33:49,966
WERE THEY IMPEACHING THEM FOR.

2833
01:33:49,966 --> 01:33:51,100
SOMETIMES FOR TREASON OR THE

2834
01:33:51,100 --> 01:33:52,400
LIKE AND SOMETIMES THEY WOULD

2835
01:33:52,400 --> 01:33:55,400
USE THE PHRASE HIGH CRIME OR

2836
01:33:55,400 --> 01:33:57,133
MISDEMEANOR.

2837
01:33:57,133 --> 01:34:03,466
THERE WAS AN IMPEACHMENT OF

2838
01:34:03,466 --> 01:34:07,466
VICOUNT MORETENS.

2839
01:34:07,466 --> 01:34:11,100
HE WAS THE SHERIFF OF WINDSOR.

2840
01:34:11,100 --> 01:34:13,633
AS THE ELECTION WAS COMING UP,

2841
01:34:13,633 --> 01:34:15,833
HE ARRESTED WILLIAM TAYLOR.

2842
01:34:15,833 --> 01:34:17,933
I WANT TO READ TO YOU FROM THE

2843
01:34:17,933 --> 01:34:21,533
ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT IN FRONT

2844
01:34:21,533 --> 01:34:23,900
OF THE HOUSE OF COMMONS.

2845
01:34:23,900 --> 01:34:27,633
BECAUSE IT IS SO TELLING.

2846
01:34:27,633 --> 01:34:29,900
HERE'S WHAT ARTICLE ONE SAID.

2847
01:34:29,900 --> 01:34:31,433
UNDERSTANDING THAT ONE WILLIAM

2848
01:34:31,433 --> 01:34:35,433
TAYLOR DID INTEND TO STAND FOR

2849
01:34:35,433 --> 01:34:39,433
THE ELECTION TO SERVE IN THE

2850
01:34:39,433 --> 01:34:41,400
PRESENT PARLIAMENT.

2851
01:34:41,400 --> 01:34:43,266
THIS IS WHAT HE DID.

2852
01:34:43,266 --> 01:34:45,600
TO DISPARAGE AND PREVENT THE

2853
01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:47,000
ELECTION OF WILLIAM TAYLOR AND

2854
01:34:47,000 --> 01:34:48,733
STRIKE A TERROR INTO THOSE OF

2855
01:34:48,733 --> 01:34:50,233
THE SAID BOROUGH WHICH SHOULD

2856
01:34:50,233 --> 01:34:52,266
GIVE THEIR VOICES FOR HIM AND

2857
01:34:52,266 --> 01:34:53,866
DEPRIVE THEM OF THE FREEDOM OF

2858
01:34:53,866 --> 01:34:57,000
THEIR VOICES AT THE ELECTION.

2859
01:34:57,000 --> 01:34:59,233
HE DID COMMAND AND CARVE WILLIAM

2860
01:34:59,233 --> 01:35:01,466
TAYLOR TO BE ILLEGALLY AND

2861
01:35:01,466 --> 01:35:03,233
ARBITRARILY SEIZED UPON BY

2862
01:35:03,233 --> 01:35:04,566
SOLDIERS AND HE DETAINED HIM.

2863
01:35:04,566 --> 01:35:06,400
IN OTHER WORDS, HE WENT AFTER A

2864
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:08,066
POLITICAL OPPONENT AND THAT WAS

2865
01:35:08,066 --> 01:35:10,000
A HIGH CRIME OR MISDEMEANOR TO

2866
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:12,733
USE YOUR OFFICE TO GO AFTER A

2867
01:35:12,733 --> 01:35:13,766
POLICE CALL OPPONENT.

2868
01:35:13,766 --> 01:35:17,700
>> NOW, PROFESSOR GERHARDT, DOES

2869
01:35:17,700 --> 01:35:20,333
A HIGH CRIME AND MISDEMEANOR

2870
01:35:20,333 --> 01:35:23,333
REQUIRE AN ACTUAL STATUTORY

2871
01:35:23,333 --> 01:35:23,633
CRIME?

2872
01:35:23,633 --> 01:35:24,433
>> NO.

2873
01:35:24,433 --> 01:35:26,066
IT PLAINLY DOES NOT.

2874
01:35:26,066 --> 01:35:28,833
EVERYTHING WE KNOW ABOUT THE

2875
01:35:28,833 --> 01:35:30,333
HISTORY OF IMPEACHMENT

2876
01:35:30,333 --> 01:35:31,433
REINFORCES THE CONCLUSION THAT

2877
01:35:31,433 --> 01:35:32,666
IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES DO NOT HAVE

2878
01:35:32,666 --> 01:35:34,966
TO BE CRIMES AND AGAIN NOT ALL

2879
01:35:34,966 --> 01:35:36,366
CRIMES ARE IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES.

2880
01:35:36,366 --> 01:35:39,433
WE LOOK AGAIN AT THE CONTEXT AND

2881
01:35:39,433 --> 01:35:41,566
GRAVITY OF THE MISCONDUCT.

2882
01:35:41,566 --> 01:35:44,633
>> AND PROFESSOR TURLEY, YOU

2883
01:35:44,633 --> 01:35:46,500
RECENTLY WROTE IN THE "WALL

2884
01:35:46,500 --> 01:35:48,766
STREET JOURNAL" AND I QUOTE

2885
01:35:48,766 --> 01:35:50,866
"THERE IS MUCH THAT IS WORTHY OF

2886
01:35:50,866 --> 01:35:52,766
INVESTIGATION IN THE UKRAINE

2887
01:35:52,766 --> 01:35:55,400
SCANDAL AND IT IS TRUE THAT

2888
01:35:55,400 --> 01:35:58,766
IMPEACHMENT DOESN'T REQUIRE A

2889
01:35:58,766 --> 01:35:59,100
CRIME."

2890
01:35:59,100 --> 01:36:00,200
>> THAT'S TRUE.

2891
01:36:00,200 --> 01:36:01,666
BUT I ALSO ADD AN IMPORTANT

2892
01:36:01,666 --> 01:36:02,700
CAVEAT --

2893
01:36:02,700 --> 01:36:03,666
>> A YES OR NO QUESTION.

2894
01:36:03,666 --> 01:36:05,566
DID YOU WROTE IN THE "WALL

2895
01:36:05,566 --> 01:36:06,500
STREET JOURNAL" THERE'S MUCH

2896
01:36:06,500 --> 01:36:09,266
THAT IS WORTHY OF INVESTIGATION

2897
01:36:09,266 --> 01:36:11,100
IN THE UKRAINE SCANDAL AND IT IS

2898
01:36:11,100 --> 01:36:13,566
TRUE THAT IMPEACHMENT DOES NOT

2899
01:36:13,566 --> 01:36:15,233
REQUIRE A CRIME.

2900
01:36:15,233 --> 01:36:17,366
IS THAT AN ACCURATE QUESTION?

2901
01:36:17,366 --> 01:36:18,966
>> YOU READ IT WELL.

2902
01:36:18,966 --> 01:36:23,933
>> SO PROFESSORS FELDMAN, KARLAN

2903
01:36:23,933 --> 01:36:25,600
AND GERHARDT, YOU HAVE

2904
01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:27,466
IDENTIFIED ON THE EVIDENCE HERE

2905
01:36:27,466 --> 01:36:29,433
THERE'S AN IMPEACHABLE ACT.

2906
01:36:29,433 --> 01:36:31,733
A HIGH CRIME AND MISDEMEANOR OF

2907
01:36:31,733 --> 01:36:34,066
ABUSE OF

2908
01:36:34,066 --> 01:36:34,333
>>

2909
01:36:34,333 --> 01:36:34,833
>> YES.

2910
01:36:34,833 --> 01:36:35,666
>> YES.

2911
01:36:35,666 --> 01:36:39,433
>> AND PROFESSOR FELDMAN, WHAT

2912
01:36:39,433 --> 01:36:42,733
DOES THE CONSTITUTION SAY IS THE

2913
01:36:42,733 --> 01:36:44,700
RESPONSIBILITY OF THE HOUSE OF

2914
01:36:44,700 --> 01:36:46,733
REPRESENTATIVES IN DEALING WITH

2915
01:36:46,733 --> 01:36:49,000
PRESIDENTIAL HIGH CRIMES AND

2916
01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:50,466
MISDEMEANORS LIKE ABUSE OF

2917
01:36:50,466 --> 01:36:50,900
POWER?

2918
01:36:50,900 --> 01:36:53,700
>> THE CONSTITUTION GIVES THE

2919
01:36:53,700 --> 01:36:54,733
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES THE

2920
01:36:54,733 --> 01:36:56,233
SOLE POWER OF IMPEACHMENT.

2921
01:36:56,233 --> 01:36:59,133
THE HOUSE HAS THE RIGHT AND THE

2922
01:36:59,133 --> 01:36:59,900
RESPONSIBILITY TO INVESTIGATE

2923
01:36:59,900 --> 01:37:02,833
PRESIDENTIAL MISCONDUCT AND

2924
01:37:02,833 --> 01:37:04,366
WHERE APPROPRIATE TO CREATE AND

2925
01:37:04,366 --> 01:37:05,966
PASS ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT.

2926
01:37:05,966 --> 01:37:09,966
>> PROFESSOR KARLAN, WHAT DOES

2927
01:37:09,966 --> 01:37:11,466
THAT RESPONSIBILITY MEAN FOR

2928
01:37:11,466 --> 01:37:14,033
THIS COMMITTEE WITH RESPECT TO

2929
01:37:14,033 --> 01:37:17,033
PRESIDENT TRUMP'S ABUSE OF

2930
01:37:17,033 --> 01:37:17,333
POWER?

2931
01:37:17,333 --> 01:37:19,100
>> WELL, BECAUSE THIS IS AN

2932
01:37:19,100 --> 01:37:23,066
ABUSE THAT CUTS TO THE HEART OF

2933
01:37:23,066 --> 01:37:27,200
DEMOCRACY, YOU HAVE TO ASK

2934
01:37:27,200 --> 01:37:28,800
YOURSELF IF YOU DON'T IMPEACH

2935
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:30,966
THIS PRESIDENT AFTER WHAT HE'S

2936
01:37:30,966 --> 01:37:31,566
DONE, OR AT LEAST DON'T

2937
01:37:31,566 --> 01:37:33,600
INVESTIGATE AND IMPEACH THAT THE

2938
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:35,300
HOUSE SELECT COMMITTEE ON

2939
01:37:35,300 --> 01:37:37,033
INTELLIGENCE FINDINGS ARE

2940
01:37:37,033 --> 01:37:38,300
CORRECT, THEN WHAT YOU'RE SAYING

2941
01:37:38,300 --> 01:37:41,700
IS IT'S FINE TO GO AHEAD AND DO

2942
01:37:41,700 --> 01:37:42,233
THIS AGAIN.

2943
01:37:42,233 --> 01:37:46,400
AND I THINK THAT AS THE -- IN

2944
01:37:46,400 --> 01:37:48,266
THE REPORT THAT CAME OUT LAST

2945
01:37:48,266 --> 01:37:49,700
NIGHT, THE REPORT -- THE REPORT

2946
01:37:49,700 --> 01:37:51,433
TALKS ABOUT THE CLEAR AND

2947
01:37:51,433 --> 01:37:54,300
PRESENT DANGER TO THE ELECTION

2948
01:37:54,300 --> 01:37:54,633
SYSTEM.

2949
01:37:54,633 --> 01:37:55,866
IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE

2950
01:37:55,866 --> 01:37:58,000
SURE THAT ALL AMERICANS GET TO

2951
01:37:58,000 --> 01:38:01,066
VOTE IN A FREE AND FAIR ELECTION

2952
01:38:01,066 --> 01:38:02,233
NEXT NOVEMBER.

2953
01:38:02,233 --> 01:38:05,333
>> PROFESSOR KARLAN, I'D LIKE TO

2954
01:38:05,333 --> 01:38:09,166
DIRECT YOU TO THE WORDS IN THE

2955
01:38:09,166 --> 01:38:10,800
CONSTITUTION, "OTHER HIGH CRIMES

2956
01:38:10,800 --> 01:38:11,866
AND MISDEMEANORS."

2957
01:38:11,866 --> 01:38:14,433
WE'RE STILL GOING TO TALK ABOUT

2958
01:38:14,433 --> 01:38:15,466
ABUSE OF POWER.

2959
01:38:15,466 --> 01:38:17,533
DID THE CONSTITUTION SPELL OUT

2960
01:38:17,533 --> 01:38:19,466
EVERY OTHER HIGH CRIME AND

2961
01:38:19,466 --> 01:38:19,866
MISDEMEANOR?

2962
01:38:19,866 --> 01:38:22,166
>> NO, IT DID NOT.

2963
01:38:22,166 --> 01:38:22,766
>> PLEASE.

2964
01:38:22,766 --> 01:38:26,366
>> BECAUSE THEY RECOGNIZE THAT

2965
01:38:26,366 --> 01:38:28,366
THE INVENTIVENESS OF MAN AND THE

2966
01:38:28,366 --> 01:38:29,300
LIKELIHOOD THAT THIS

2967
01:38:29,300 --> 01:38:31,466
CONSTITUTION WOULD ENDURE FOR

2968
01:38:31,466 --> 01:38:32,633
GENERATIONS MEANT THEY COULDN'T

2969
01:38:32,633 --> 01:38:34,333
LIST ALL OF THE CRIMES THAT

2970
01:38:34,333 --> 01:38:35,733
MIGHT BE COMMITTED.

2971
01:38:35,733 --> 01:38:37,800
THEY COULDN'T IMAGINE AN ABUSE

2972
01:38:37,800 --> 01:38:41,500
OF POWER, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT

2973
01:38:41,500 --> 01:38:43,433
INVOLVED BURGLARIZING AND

2974
01:38:43,433 --> 01:38:45,733
STEALING COMPUTER FILES FROM AN

2975
01:38:45,733 --> 01:38:47,266
ADVERSARY BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T

2976
01:38:47,266 --> 01:38:48,400
IMAGINE COMPUTERS.

2977
01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:50,266
THEY COULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE

2978
01:38:50,266 --> 01:38:51,433
IMAGINED WIRETAPPING BECAUSE WE

2979
01:38:51,433 --> 01:38:53,733
HAD NO WIRES IN 1789.

2980
01:38:53,733 --> 01:38:56,000
SO WHAT THEY DID, THAT I PUT IN

2981
01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:59,266
A PHRASE THAT THE ENGLISH HAD

2982
01:38:59,266 --> 01:39:02,300
USED AND THAT HAD ADAPTED OVER A

2983
01:39:02,300 --> 01:39:03,466
PERIOD OF CENTURIES TO TAKE INTO

2984
01:39:03,466 --> 01:39:07,300
ACCOUNT THAT THIS IDEA OF HIGH

2985
01:39:07,300 --> 01:39:09,533
CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS IS TO

2986
01:39:09,533 --> 01:39:11,966
GET AT THINGS THAT PEOPLE IN

2987
01:39:11,966 --> 01:39:14,666
OFFICE USE TO STRIKE AT THE VERY

2988
01:39:14,666 --> 01:39:16,466
HEART OF OUR DEMOCRACY.

2989
01:39:16,466 --> 01:39:17,966
>> AND PROFESSOR, IN YOUR

2990
01:39:17,966 --> 01:39:19,500
WRITTEN TESTIMONY, YOU MENTIONED

2991
01:39:19,500 --> 01:39:21,400
TWO ADDITIONAL ASPECTS OF HIGH

2992
01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:23,200
CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS BESIDES

2993
01:39:23,200 --> 01:39:24,433
ABUSE OF POWER.

2994
01:39:24,433 --> 01:39:27,866
YOU TALKED ABOUT BETRAYAL OF THE

2995
01:39:27,866 --> 01:39:29,733
NATIONAL INTERESTS, BETRAYAL OF

2996
01:39:29,733 --> 01:39:31,466
THE NATIONAL INTERESTS AND

2997
01:39:31,466 --> 01:39:35,466
CORRUPTION OF THE ELECTORAL

2998
01:39:35,466 --> 01:39:35,800
PROCESS.

2999
01:39:35,800 --> 01:39:39,133
AND CAN YOU SAY A LITTLE BIT

3000
01:39:39,133 --> 01:39:44,800
MORE ABOUT WHAT THE FRAMERS

3001
01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:45,533
CONCERNS WERE ABOUT CORRUPTION

3002
01:39:45,533 --> 01:39:46,266
OF ELECTIONS AND BETRAYAL OF THE

3003
01:39:46,266 --> 01:39:47,000
NATIONAL INTERESTS INVOLVING

3004
01:39:47,000 --> 01:39:48,300
FOREIGN POWERS AND HOW THEY COME

3005
01:39:48,300 --> 01:39:49,200
IN TO PLAY HERE?

3006
01:39:49,200 --> 01:39:49,766
>> SURE.

3007
01:39:49,766 --> 01:39:51,866
LET ME START WITH THE FRAMERS

3008
01:39:51,866 --> 01:39:52,633
AND WHAT THEY WERE CONCERNED

3009
01:39:52,633 --> 01:39:55,300
WITH AND BRING IT UP TO DATE

3010
01:39:55,300 --> 01:39:56,566
BECAUSE I THINK THEY'RE SOME

3011
01:39:56,566 --> 01:39:59,433
MODERN STUFF AS WELL THAT IS

3012
01:39:59,433 --> 01:39:59,800
IMPORTANT.

3013
01:39:59,800 --> 01:40:01,733
THE FRAMERS WERE VERY WORRIED

3014
01:40:01,733 --> 01:40:03,433
THAT ELECTIONS COULD BE

3015
01:40:03,433 --> 01:40:04,566
CORRUPTED.

3016
01:40:04,566 --> 01:40:05,233
CORRUPTED IN A VARIETY OF

3017
01:40:05,233 --> 01:40:06,166
DIFFERENT WAYS.

3018
01:40:06,166 --> 01:40:10,266
THEY SPENT A LOT OF TIME TRYING

3019
01:40:10,266 --> 01:40:11,866
TO DESIGN A SYSTEM THAT WOULDN'T

3020
01:40:11,866 --> 01:40:14,166
BE SUBJECT TO THAT KIND OF

3021
01:40:14,166 --> 01:40:14,566
CORRUPTION.

3022
01:40:14,566 --> 01:40:16,033
A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PROVISIONS

3023
01:40:16,033 --> 01:40:17,066
IN THE CONSTITUTION THAT DEAL

3024
01:40:17,066 --> 01:40:18,400
WITH THE KINDS OF CORRUPTION

3025
01:40:18,400 --> 01:40:19,900
THAT THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT.

3026
01:40:19,900 --> 01:40:21,333
TWO THAT I LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT

3027
01:40:21,333 --> 01:40:22,600
HERE BECAUSE THEY GO TO THIS

3028
01:40:22,600 --> 01:40:24,766
IDEA OF THE NATIONAL INTERESTS

3029
01:40:24,766 --> 01:40:25,933
AND FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS.

3030
01:40:25,933 --> 01:40:27,400
ONE THAT SEEMS TODAY TO MOST OF

3031
01:40:27,400 --> 01:40:30,933
US TO BE REALLY A KIND OF

3032
01:40:30,933 --> 01:40:35,766
REMNANT OF A PAST TIME.

3033
01:40:35,766 --> 01:40:37,566
IF YOU BECOME AN AMERICAN

3034
01:40:37,566 --> 01:40:38,333
CITIZEN, ALMOST EVERYTHING IS

3035
01:40:38,333 --> 01:40:38,900
OPEN TO YOU.

3036
01:40:38,900 --> 01:40:42,600
YOU CAN BE CHIEF JUSTICE OF THE

3037
01:40:42,600 --> 01:40:43,400
UNITED STATES, SECRETARY STATE.

3038
01:40:43,400 --> 01:40:47,400
THE ONE OATH THAT IS NOT OPEN TO

3039
01:40:47,400 --> 01:40:53,300
YOU EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE A CITIZEN

3040
01:40:53,300 --> 01:40:55,033
IS THE PRESIDENCY.

3041
01:40:55,033 --> 01:40:57,533
THEY REASON THEY DID THAT IS

3042
01:40:57,533 --> 01:40:58,400
BECAUSE OF FOREIGN INFLUENCE

3043
01:40:58,400 --> 01:40:59,400
OVER A PRESIDENT.

3044
01:40:59,400 --> 01:41:02,033
THE OTHER CLAUSE THAT NOBODY

3045
01:41:02,033 --> 01:41:03,666
HEARD OF FIVE YEARS AGO BUT NOW

3046
01:41:03,666 --> 01:41:05,133
EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT IS THE

3047
01:41:05,133 --> 01:41:06,166
EMOLUMENTS CLAUSE.

3048
01:41:06,166 --> 01:41:07,166
THEY WERE WORRIED THAT THE

3049
01:41:07,166 --> 01:41:08,733
PRESIDENT BECAUSE HE WAS ONLY

3050
01:41:08,733 --> 01:41:10,066
GOING TO BE IN OFFICE A LITTLE

3051
01:41:10,066 --> 01:41:11,933
WHILE WOULD USE IT TO GET

3052
01:41:11,933 --> 01:41:13,466
EVERYTHING HE COULD AND TAKE

3053
01:41:13,466 --> 01:41:15,400
GIFTS FROM FOREIGN COUNTRIES.

3054
01:41:15,400 --> 01:41:16,833
NOT BRIBES BUT GIFTS.

3055
01:41:16,833 --> 01:41:19,200
THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT THAT AS

3056
01:41:19,200 --> 01:41:19,500
WELL.

3057
01:41:19,500 --> 01:41:20,733
THEY WERE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT

3058
01:41:20,733 --> 01:41:21,700
THOSE ELECTIONS.

3059
01:41:21,700 --> 01:41:23,000
IT'S NOT JUST THEM.

3060
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:24,666
I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT

3061
01:41:24,666 --> 01:41:26,400
WHAT OUR NATIONAL INTEREST IS

3062
01:41:26,400 --> 01:41:26,700
TODAY.

3063
01:41:26,700 --> 01:41:28,066
BECAUSE OUR NATIONAL INTEREST

3064
01:41:28,066 --> 01:41:29,600
TODAY IS DIFFERENT IN SOME

3065
01:41:29,600 --> 01:41:32,000
IMPORTANT WAYS THAN IT WAS IN

3066
01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:32,700
1789.

3067
01:41:32,700 --> 01:41:34,000
WHAT THE FRAMERS WERE WORRIED

3068
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:35,833
ABOUT IS THAT WE WOULD BE A WEAK

3069
01:41:35,833 --> 01:41:37,766
COUNTRY AND WE COULD BE

3070
01:41:37,766 --> 01:41:38,900
EXPLOITED BY FOREIGN COUNTRIES.

3071
01:41:38,900 --> 01:41:40,400
WE'RE A STRONG POWER NOW.

3072
01:41:40,400 --> 01:41:41,833
THE STRONGEST POWER IN THE

3073
01:41:41,833 --> 01:41:42,133
WORLD.

3074
01:41:42,133 --> 01:41:44,100
WE CAN STILL BE EXPLOITED BY FOR

3075
01:41:44,100 --> 01:41:45,200
WREN COUNTRIES.

3076
01:41:45,200 --> 01:41:46,366
THE OTHER THANK THAT WE'VE DONE

3077
01:41:46,366 --> 01:41:47,866
AND THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS

3078
01:41:47,866 --> 01:41:49,866
THAT I THINK WE AS AMERICANS

3079
01:41:49,866 --> 01:41:52,266
SHOULD BE PROUDEST OF IS WE HAVE

3080
01:41:52,266 --> 01:41:54,200
BECOME WHAT JOHN WINTHROP SAID

3081
01:41:54,200 --> 01:41:56,933
IN HIS SERMON IN 1640 AND WHAT

3082
01:41:56,933 --> 01:41:58,933
RONALD REAGAN SAID IN HIS FINAL

3083
01:41:58,933 --> 01:42:00,466
ADDRESS TO THE COUNTRY AS HE

3084
01:42:00,466 --> 01:42:01,733
LEFT OFFICE.

3085
01:42:01,733 --> 01:42:03,266
WATER THE SHINING CITY ON A

3086
01:42:03,266 --> 01:42:03,566
HILL.

3087
01:42:03,566 --> 01:42:04,533
WE'RE A NATION THAT LEADS THE

3088
01:42:04,533 --> 01:42:06,033
WORLD IN UNDERSTANDING WHAT

3089
01:42:06,033 --> 01:42:07,766
DEMOCRACY IS.

3090
01:42:07,766 --> 01:42:09,000
AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE

3091
01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:11,000
UNDERSTAND MOST PROFOUNDLY IS,

3092
01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:12,533
IT'S NOT A REAL DEMOCRACY.

3093
01:42:12,533 --> 01:42:14,066
IT'S NOT A MATURE DEMOCRACY IF

3094
01:42:14,066 --> 01:42:15,933
THE PART IN POWER USES THE

3095
01:42:15,933 --> 01:42:19,433
CRIMINAL PROCESS TO GO AFTER ITS

3096
01:42:19,433 --> 01:42:19,833
ENEMIES.

3097
01:42:19,833 --> 01:42:23,200
AND I THINK YOU HEARD TESTIMONY

3098
01:42:23,200 --> 01:42:24,466
THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE, HOW

3099
01:42:24,466 --> 01:42:26,100
IT ISN'T JUST OUR NATIONAL

3100
01:42:26,100 --> 01:42:28,433
INTEREST IN PROTECTING OUR OWN

3101
01:42:28,433 --> 01:42:29,566
ELECTIONS.

3102
01:42:29,566 --> 01:42:30,266
IT'S NOT JUST OUR NATIONAL

3103
01:42:30,266 --> 01:42:32,133
INTEREST IN MAKING SURE THE

3104
01:42:32,133 --> 01:42:33,333
UKRAINE IS STRONG AND ON THE

3105
01:42:33,333 --> 01:42:35,400
FRONT LINE SO THEY FIGHT THE

3106
01:42:35,400 --> 01:42:36,866
RUSSIANS THERE AND WE DON'T

3107
01:42:36,866 --> 01:42:38,333
FIGHT THEM HERE.

3108
01:42:38,333 --> 01:42:40,566
IT OUR NATIONAL INTEREST IN

3109
01:42:40,566 --> 01:42:42,666
PROMOTING DEMOCRACY WORLDWIDE.

3110
01:42:42,666 --> 01:42:43,966
IF WE LOOK HYPOCRITICAL ABOUT

3111
01:42:43,966 --> 01:42:45,300
THIS, IF WE LOOK LIKE WE'RE

3112
01:42:45,300 --> 01:42:46,800
ASKING OTHER COUNTRIES TO

3113
01:42:46,800 --> 01:42:48,000
INTERFERE, IF WE LOOK LIKE WE'RE

3114
01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:50,500
ASKING OTHER COUNTRIES TO ENGAGE

3115
01:42:50,500 --> 01:42:52,600
IN CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS OF

3116
01:42:52,600 --> 01:42:54,733
OUR PRESIDENT'S POLITICAL

3117
01:42:54,733 --> 01:42:56,366
OPPONENTS, THEN WE'RE NOT DOING

3118
01:42:56,366 --> 01:42:59,166
OUR JOB OF PROMOTING OUR

3119
01:42:59,166 --> 01:43:04,233
NATIONAL INTEREST IN BEING THAT

3120
01:43:04,233 --> 01:43:07,266
SHINING CITY ON THE HILL.

3121
01:43:07,266 --> 01:43:10,700
>> PROFESSOR FELDMAN, ANYTHING

3122
01:43:10,700 --> 01:43:11,100
TO ADD?

3123
01:43:11,100 --> 01:43:13,366
>> THE REASON THE CONSTITUTION

3124
01:43:13,366 --> 01:43:14,666
PROVIDED FOR IMPEACHMENT IS TO

3125
01:43:14,666 --> 01:43:15,433
ANTICIPATE A SITUATION LIKE THE

3126
01:43:15,433 --> 01:43:17,300
ONE BEFORE YOU TODAY.

3127
01:43:17,300 --> 01:43:20,000
THE FRAMERS WERE NOT PROPHETS.

3128
01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:21,900
THEY WERE VERY SMART PEOPLE.

3129
01:43:21,900 --> 01:43:23,433
A VERY SOPHISTICATED

3130
01:43:23,433 --> 01:43:25,700
UNDERSTANDING OF HUMAN

3131
01:43:25,700 --> 01:43:26,100
INCENTIVES.

3132
01:43:26,100 --> 01:43:27,333
THEY UNDERSTOOD THAT A PRESIDENT

3133
01:43:27,333 --> 01:43:29,133
WOULD BE MOTIVATED NATURALLY TO

3134
01:43:29,133 --> 01:43:32,600
TRY TO USE THE TREMENDOUS POWER

3135
01:43:32,600 --> 01:43:35,000
OF OFFICE TO GAIN PERSONAL

3136
01:43:35,000 --> 01:43:36,366
ADVANTAGE, TO KEEP HIMSELF IN

3137
01:43:36,366 --> 01:43:38,500
OFFICE, THE CORRUPT THE

3138
01:43:38,500 --> 01:43:40,133
ELECTORAL PROCESS AND

3139
01:43:40,133 --> 01:43:42,433
POTENTIALLY SUBVERT THE NATIONAL

3140
01:43:42,433 --> 01:43:42,800
INTERESTS.

3141
01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:43,900
THE FACTS STRONGLY SUGGEST THIS

3142
01:43:43,900 --> 01:43:45,433
IS WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS DONE

3143
01:43:45,433 --> 01:43:48,366
AND UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES

3144
01:43:48,366 --> 01:43:50,166
THE FRAMERS WOULD EXPECT THE

3145
01:43:50,166 --> 01:43:51,400
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TO TAKE

3146
01:43:51,400 --> 01:43:54,400
ACTION IN THE FORM OF

3147
01:43:54,400 --> 01:43:54,800
IMPEACHMENT.

3148
01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:58,400
>> AND PROFESSOR FELDMAN, DID

3149
01:43:58,400 --> 01:44:00,900
YOU REVIEW THE INTELLIGENCE

3150
01:44:00,900 --> 01:44:02,766
COMMITTEE REPORT FINDING THAT

3151
01:44:02,766 --> 01:44:05,500
PRESIDENT TRUMP COMPROMISED

3152
01:44:05,500 --> 01:44:07,400
NATIONAL SECURITY TO ADVANCE HIS

3153
01:44:07,400 --> 01:44:09,366
PERSONAL POLITICAL INTERESTS?

3154
01:44:09,366 --> 01:44:11,466
>> I DID.

3155
01:44:11,466 --> 01:44:14,900
>> WILL YOU EXPLAIN IN YOUR VIEW

3156
01:44:14,900 --> 01:44:18,666
HOW THAT HAPPENED?

3157
01:44:18,666 --> 01:44:20,433
>> THE PRESIDENT SOUGHT PERSONAL

3158
01:44:20,433 --> 01:44:22,200
GAIN AND ADVANTAGE BY SOLICITING

3159
01:44:22,200 --> 01:44:24,633
THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF

3160
01:44:24,633 --> 01:44:26,733
INVESTIGATIONS AND PRESUMABLY

3161
01:44:26,733 --> 01:44:27,966
INVESTIGATIONS FROM UKRAINE AND

3162
01:44:27,966 --> 01:44:31,433
TO DO SO HE WITHHELD CRITICAL

3163
01:44:31,433 --> 01:44:32,733
ASSISTANCE THAT THE GOVERNMENT

3164
01:44:32,733 --> 01:44:35,433
OF UKRAINE NEEDED AND BY DOING

3165
01:44:35,433 --> 01:44:38,000
SO, HE UNDERMINES THE NATIONAL

3166
01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:40,000
SECURITY INTERESTS OF THE UNITED

3167
01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:42,000
STATES IN HELPING UKRAINE, OUR

3168
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:44,400
ALLY, IN A WAR THAT IT IS

3169
01:44:44,400 --> 01:44:45,766
FIGHTING AGAINST RUSSIA.

3170
01:44:45,766 --> 01:44:47,833
SO IN THE SIMPLEST POSSIBLE

3171
01:44:47,833 --> 01:44:49,333
TERMS, THE PRESIDENT PUT HIS

3172
01:44:49,333 --> 01:44:52,033
PERSONAL GAIN AHEAD OF THE

3173
01:44:52,033 --> 01:44:54,066
NATIONAL SECURITY INTERESTS AS

3174
01:44:54,066 --> 01:44:55,000
EXPRESSED ACCORDING TO THE

3175
01:44:55,000 --> 01:44:57,300
EVIDENCE BEFORE YOU BY THE

3176
01:44:57,300 --> 01:44:59,733
ENTIRETY OF THE A UNANIMOUS

3177
01:44:59,733 --> 01:45:00,833
NATIONAL SECURITY COMMUNITY.

3178
01:45:00,833 --> 01:45:05,233
>> SIR, IS IT YOUR VIEW THAT THE

3179
01:45:05,233 --> 01:45:06,833
FRAMERS WOULD CONCLUDE THAT

3180
01:45:06,833 --> 01:45:08,733
THERE WAS A BETRAYAL OF THE

3181
01:45:08,733 --> 01:45:11,800
NATIONAL INTERESTS OR NATIONAL

3182
01:45:11,800 --> 01:45:12,933
SECURITY BY PRESIDENT TRUMP ON

3183
01:45:12,933 --> 01:45:13,700
THESE FACTS?

3184
01:45:13,700 --> 01:45:15,966
>> IN MY VIEW, IF THE FRAMERS

3185
01:45:15,966 --> 01:45:18,933
WERE AWARE THAT A PRESIDENT OF

3186
01:45:18,933 --> 01:45:19,633
THE UNITED STATES HAD PUT HIS

3187
01:45:19,633 --> 01:45:20,733
PERSONAL GAIN AND INTERESTS

3188
01:45:20,733 --> 01:45:23,400
AHEAD OF THE NATIONAL SECURITY

3189
01:45:23,400 --> 01:45:24,466
OF THE UNITED STATES BY

3190
01:45:24,466 --> 01:45:26,000
CONDITIONING AID TO A CRUCIAL

3191
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:28,833
ALLY THAT IS IN THE MIDST OF A

3192
01:45:28,833 --> 01:45:32,300
WAR ON INVESTIGATIONS AIMED AT

3193
01:45:32,300 --> 01:45:33,733
HIS OWN PERSONAL GAIN, THEY

3194
01:45:33,733 --> 01:45:35,133
WOULD CONCLUDE THAT IS AN ABUSE

3195
01:45:35,133 --> 01:45:37,266
OF THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENCY

3196
01:45:37,266 --> 01:45:41,566
AND CONCLUDE THAT CONDUCT WAS

3197
01:45:41,566 --> 01:45:41,966
IMPEACHABLE.

3198
01:45:41,966 --> 01:45:45,200
>> PROFESSOR GERHARDT, WHAT ARE

3199
01:45:45,200 --> 01:45:47,300
YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE ABUSE OF

3200
01:45:47,300 --> 01:45:52,366
POWER AND THE CORRUPTION OF

3201
01:45:52,366 --> 01:45:53,300
ELECTIONS, SIR?

3202
01:45:53,300 --> 01:45:56,300
>> I HAVE A LOT OF THOUGHTS.

3203
01:45:56,300 --> 01:45:58,666
ONE OF THEM IS THAT WHAT WE

3204
01:45:58,666 --> 01:46:00,833
HAVEN'T MENTIONED YET, BROUGHT

3205
01:46:00,833 --> 01:46:04,000
INTO THIS CONVERSATION IS THE

3206
01:46:04,000 --> 01:46:08,700
FACT THAT THE IMPEACHMENT POWER

3207
01:46:08,700 --> 01:46:12,633
REQUIRES THIS COMMITTEE, THIS

3208
01:46:12,633 --> 01:46:13,366
HOUSE TO INVESTIGATE

3209
01:46:13,366 --> 01:46:14,733
PRESIDENTIAL CONDUCT.

3210
01:46:14,733 --> 01:46:18,700
IF THE PRESIDENT CAN BLOCK AN

3211
01:46:18,700 --> 01:46:20,700
INVESTIGATION, UNDERMINE IT, THE

3212
01:46:20,700 --> 01:46:22,233
IMPEACHMENT POWER AS A CHECK

3213
01:46:22,233 --> 01:46:24,133
AGAINST MISCONDUCT IS UNDERMINED

3214
01:46:24,133 --> 01:46:24,733
COMPLETELY.

3215
01:46:24,733 --> 01:46:27,300
>> PROFESSOR KARLAN, CAN YOU

3216
01:46:27,300 --> 01:46:29,500
HAVE AN IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE OF

3217
01:46:29,500 --> 01:46:32,733
ABUSE OF POWER THAT IS SUPPORTED

3218
01:46:32,733 --> 01:46:34,066
BY CONSIDERATIONS OF A

3219
01:46:34,066 --> 01:46:36,166
PRESIDENT'S BETRAYAL, OF THE

3220
01:46:36,166 --> 01:46:38,733
NATIONAL INTERESTS OR NATIONAL

3221
01:46:38,733 --> 01:46:40,400
SECURITY AND BY CORRUPTION OF

3222
01:46:40,400 --> 01:46:40,766
ELECTIONS?

3223
01:46:40,766 --> 01:46:41,633
>> YES, YOU CAN.

3224
01:46:41,633 --> 01:46:43,966
>> DO WE HAVE THAT HERE, MA'AM?

3225
01:46:43,966 --> 01:46:46,633
>> BASED ON THE EVIDENCE THAT

3226
01:46:46,633 --> 01:46:50,066
I'VE SEEN, WHICH IS REVIEWING

3227
01:46:50,066 --> 01:46:52,866
THE TRANSCRIPTS OF THE 12

3228
01:46:52,866 --> 01:46:54,200
WITNESSES THAT TESTIFIED,

3229
01:46:54,200 --> 01:46:56,333
LOOKING AT THE CALL READ-OUT,

3230
01:46:56,333 --> 01:46:58,500
LOOKING AT SOME OF THE

3231
01:46:58,500 --> 01:47:00,466
PRESIDENT'S OTHER STATEMENTS,

3232
01:47:00,466 --> 01:47:01,600
LOOKING AT THE STATEMENT BY

3233
01:47:01,600 --> 01:47:03,800
MR. MULVANEY AND THE LIKE, YES,

3234
01:47:03,800 --> 01:47:05,800
WE DO.

3235
01:47:05,800 --> 01:47:07,800
>> AND PROFESSOR FELDMAN, DO YOU

3236
01:47:07,800 --> 01:47:08,100
AGREE?

3237
01:47:08,100 --> 01:47:08,733
>> YES.

3238
01:47:08,733 --> 01:47:11,466
>> PROFESSOR GERHARDT?

3239
01:47:11,466 --> 01:47:14,766
>> YES, I DO.

3240
01:47:14,766 --> 01:47:17,200
>> PROFESSOR KARLAN, WE'VE BEEN

3241
01:47:17,200 --> 01:47:19,833
TALKING ABOUT THE CATEGORY OF

3242
01:47:19,833 --> 01:47:22,066
OTHER HIGH CRIMES AND

3243
01:47:22,066 --> 01:47:25,366
MISDEMEANORS LIKE ABUSE OF

3244
01:47:25,366 --> 01:47:25,666
POWER.

3245
01:47:25,666 --> 01:47:28,366
BUT THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL

3246
01:47:28,366 --> 01:47:31,466
HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS

3247
01:47:31,466 --> 01:47:33,100
THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED

3248
01:47:33,100 --> 01:47:35,800
IN THE TEXT OF THE CONTUSION.

3249
01:47:35,800 --> 01:47:36,133
CORRECT?

3250
01:47:36,133 --> 01:47:37,600
>> YES, THAT'S TRUE.

3251
01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:39,266
>> WHAT ARE THEY?

3252
01:47:39,266 --> 01:47:41,700
>> TREASON AND BRIBERY.

3253
01:47:41,700 --> 01:47:44,133
>> DO PRESIDENT TRUMP'S DEMANDS

3254
01:47:44,133 --> 01:47:45,866
ON UKRAINE ALSO ESTABLISH THE

3255
01:47:45,866 --> 01:47:47,300
HIGH CRIME OF BRIBERY?

3256
01:47:47,300 --> 01:47:49,500
>> YES, THEY DO.

3257
01:47:49,500 --> 01:47:53,233
>> CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY, PLEASE?

3258
01:47:53,233 --> 01:47:54,600
>> SURE.

3259
01:47:54,600 --> 01:47:58,233
SO THE HIGH CRIME OR MISDEMEANOR

3260
01:47:58,233 --> 01:47:59,200
BRIBERY, IT'S IMPORTANT TO

3261
01:47:59,200 --> 01:48:00,666
DISTINGUISH THAT FROM WHATEVER

3262
01:48:00,666 --> 01:48:02,466
THE U.S. CODE CALLS BRIBERY

3263
01:48:02,466 --> 01:48:02,800
TODAY.

3264
01:48:02,800 --> 01:48:06,366
THE REASON FOR THIS IN PART IS

3265
01:48:06,366 --> 01:48:10,533
BECAUSE IN 1789 WHEN THE FRAMERS

3266
01:48:10,533 --> 01:48:12,766
WERE WRITING THE CONSTITUTION,

3267
01:48:12,766 --> 01:48:15,466
THERE WAS NO FEDERAL CRIMINAL

3268
01:48:15,466 --> 01:48:15,766
CODE.

3269
01:48:15,766 --> 01:48:18,300
THE FIRST BRIBERY STATUTES THAT

3270
01:48:18,300 --> 01:48:19,066
THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS WOULD

3271
01:48:19,066 --> 01:48:20,000
HAVE PASSED WOULDN'T HAVE

3272
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:21,633
REACHED A PRESIDENT AT ALL.

3273
01:48:21,633 --> 01:48:26,200
THE FIRST WAS ABOUT CUSTOMS

3274
01:48:26,200 --> 01:48:26,566
OFFICIALS.

3275
01:48:26,566 --> 01:48:27,733
THE SECOND WAS ABOUT JUDGES.

3276
01:48:27,733 --> 01:48:30,600
SO 60 YEARS OR SO AFTER THE

3277
01:48:30,600 --> 01:48:31,466
CONSTITUTION WAS RATIFIED THAT

3278
01:48:31,466 --> 01:48:32,800
WE HAD ANY FEDERAL CRIME OF

3279
01:48:32,800 --> 01:48:33,700
BRIBERY AT ALL.

3280
01:48:33,700 --> 01:48:37,000
SO WHEN THEY SAY EXPLICITLY IN

3281
01:48:37,000 --> 01:48:38,000
THE CONSTITUTION THAT THIS

3282
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:40,166
PRESIDENT CAN BE IMPEACH AND

3283
01:48:40,166 --> 01:48:43,433
REMOVED FROM OFFICE FOR BRIBERY,

3284
01:48:43,433 --> 01:48:45,133
THEY WEREN'T REFERRING TO A

3285
01:48:45,133 --> 01:48:45,466
STATUTE.

3286
01:48:45,466 --> 01:48:49,600
I WILL SAY, I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON

3287
01:48:49,600 --> 01:48:50,733
FEDERAL SUBSTANTIVE CRIMINAL

3288
01:48:50,733 --> 01:48:51,000
LAW.

3289
01:48:51,000 --> 01:48:53,566
ALL I WILL SAY HERE, THE BRIBERY

3290
01:48:53,566 --> 01:48:55,433
STATUTE IS A COMPLICATED STATUE.

3291
01:48:55,433 --> 01:48:58,800
SO WHAT THEY WERE THINKING ABOUT

3292
01:48:58,800 --> 01:49:00,600
IS BRIBERY AS IT WAS UNDERSTOOD

3293
01:49:00,600 --> 01:49:03,500
IN THE 18th CENTURY BASED ON THE

3294
01:49:03,500 --> 01:49:05,166
COMMON LAW UP UNTIL THAT POINT.

3295
01:49:05,166 --> 01:49:07,500
AND THAT UNDERSTANDING WAS AN

3296
01:49:07,500 --> 01:49:10,666
UNDERSTANDING THAT SOMEONE AND

3297
01:49:10,666 --> 01:49:11,866
GENERALLY EVEN THEN IT WAS

3298
01:49:11,866 --> 01:49:13,366
MOSTLY TALKING ABOUT A JUDGE,

3299
01:49:13,366 --> 01:49:14,800
NOT TALKING ABOUT A PRESIDENT

3300
01:49:14,800 --> 01:49:16,000
BECAUSE THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE

3301
01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:16,966
BEFORE THAT.

3302
01:49:16,966 --> 01:49:18,400
IT WASN'T TALKING ABOUT THE KING

3303
01:49:18,400 --> 01:49:22,366
BECAUSE THE KING COULD DO NO

3304
01:49:22,366 --> 01:49:23,466
WRONG.

3305
01:49:23,466 --> 01:49:24,900
WHAT THEY WERE UNDERSTANDING

3306
01:49:24,900 --> 01:49:26,300
THEN, THE IDEA THAT WHEN YOU

3307
01:49:26,300 --> 01:49:29,933
TOOK PRIVATE BENEFITS OR ASKED

3308
01:49:29,933 --> 01:49:33,433
FOR PRIVATE BENEFITS, IN TURN

3309
01:49:33,433 --> 01:49:34,833
FOR AN OFFICIAL ACT OR SOMEBODY

3310
01:49:34,833 --> 01:49:37,833
GAVE THEM TO YOU TO INFLUENCE AN

3311
01:49:37,833 --> 01:49:41,233
OFFICIAL ACT, THAT WAS BRIBERY.

3312
01:49:41,233 --> 01:49:44,033
>> SO WE HAVE CONSTITUTIONAL

3313
01:49:44,033 --> 01:49:45,100
BRIBERY HERE.

3314
01:49:45,100 --> 01:49:47,433
THE HIGH CRIME AND MISDEMEANOR

3315
01:49:47,433 --> 01:49:49,133
OF CONSTITUTIONAL BRIBERY

3316
01:49:49,133 --> 01:49:49,733
AGAINST PRESIDENT TRUMP.

3317
01:49:49,733 --> 01:49:53,233
>> IF YOU CONCLUDE THAT HE ASKED

3318
01:49:53,233 --> 01:49:55,433
FOR THE INVESTIGATION OF VICE

3319
01:49:55,433 --> 01:49:57,366
PRESIDENT BIDEN AND HIS SON FOR

3320
01:49:57,366 --> 01:49:59,000
POLITICAL REASONS, THAT IS TO

3321
01:49:59,000 --> 01:50:01,966
AID HIS RE-ELECTION, THEN YES,

3322
01:50:01,966 --> 01:50:05,366
YOU HAVE BRIBERY HERE.

3323
01:50:05,366 --> 01:50:06,700
>> IN FORMING THAT OPINION, DID

3324
01:50:06,700 --> 01:50:10,266
YOU REVIEW THE MEN RANDOM OF THE

3325
01:50:10,266 --> 01:50:11,433
PRESIDENT'S TELEPHONE CALL WITH

3326
01:50:11,433 --> 01:50:14,700
THE UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT, THE ONE

3327
01:50:14,700 --> 01:50:16,400
WHERE PRESIDENT TRUMP ASKED I

3328
01:50:16,400 --> 01:50:20,700
WOULD LIKE YOU TO DO US A FAVOR

3329
01:50:20,700 --> 01:50:22,933
AND LOOKING INTO HIS POLITICAL

3330
01:50:22,933 --> 01:50:23,300
OPPONENT?

3331
01:50:23,300 --> 01:50:23,666
>> YES.

3332
01:50:23,666 --> 01:50:25,466
>> DID YOU CONSIDER IF FOLLOWING

3333
01:50:25,466 --> 01:50:28,466
TESTIMONY FROM OUR AMBASSADOR TO

3334
01:50:28,466 --> 01:50:32,700
THE EUROPEAN UNION, AMBASSADOR

3335
01:50:32,700 --> 01:50:34,266
SONDLAND?

3336
01:50:34,266 --> 01:50:37,566
WAS THERE A QUID PRO QUO?

3337
01:50:37,566 --> 01:50:39,400
AS I TESTIFIED WITH REGARDS TO

3338
01:50:39,400 --> 01:50:41,000
THE REQUESTED WHITE HOUSE

3339
01:50:41,000 --> 01:50:44,666
MEETING, THE ANSWER IS YES.

3340
01:50:44,666 --> 01:50:45,666
EVERYONE WAS IN THE LOOP.

3341
01:50:45,666 --> 01:50:47,733
>> DID YOU CONSIDER THAT,

3342
01:50:47,733 --> 01:50:48,100
PROFESSOR?

3343
01:50:48,100 --> 01:50:50,100
>> I DID CONSIDER THAT, YES.

3344
01:50:50,100 --> 01:50:53,500
>> DID YOU ALSO CONSIDER THE

3345
01:50:53,500 --> 01:50:54,700
FINDINGS OF FACT THAT THE

3346
01:50:54,700 --> 01:50:56,666
INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE MADE

3347
01:50:56,666 --> 01:50:59,400
INCLUDING THAT AND I QUOTE FROM

3348
01:50:59,400 --> 01:51:01,700
FINDING OF FACT NUMBER 5, THE

3349
01:51:01,700 --> 01:51:03,833
PRESIDENT WITHHELD OFFICIAL ACTS

3350
01:51:03,833 --> 01:51:06,633
OF VALUE TO UKRAINE AND

3351
01:51:06,633 --> 01:51:07,833
CONDITIONED THEIR FULFILLMENT ON

3352
01:51:07,833 --> 01:51:10,266
ACTIONS BY UKRAINE THAT WOULD

3353
01:51:10,266 --> 01:51:11,600
BENEFIT HIS PERSONAL POLITICAL

3354
01:51:11,600 --> 01:51:11,966
INTERESTS?

3355
01:51:11,966 --> 01:51:14,366
>> I DID RELY ON THAT.

3356
01:51:14,366 --> 01:51:16,900
IN ADDITION BECAUSE AS I HAVE

3357
01:51:16,900 --> 01:51:17,833
TESTIFIED, I READ THE

3358
01:51:17,833 --> 01:51:19,433
WITNESSES -- THE TRANSCRIPTS OF

3359
01:51:19,433 --> 01:51:23,400
ALL OF THE WITNESSES.

3360
01:51:23,400 --> 01:51:26,633
I RELIED ON TESTIMONY FROM

3361
01:51:26,633 --> 01:51:28,066
AMBASSADOR SONDLAND,

3362
01:51:28,066 --> 01:51:32,633
MR. MORRISON, LIEUTENANT COLONEL

3363
01:51:32,633 --> 01:51:35,400
VINDMAN, FROM AMBASSADOR TAYLOR.

3364
01:51:35,400 --> 01:51:40,400
I RELIED ON -- I THINK

3365
01:51:40,400 --> 01:51:41,600
AMBASSADOR TAYLOR SENT THE CABLE

3366
01:51:41,600 --> 01:51:43,400
THAT SAID IT'S CRAZY TO HOLD

3367
01:51:43,400 --> 01:51:46,300
THIS UP BASED ON DOMESTIC

3368
01:51:46,300 --> 01:51:47,233
POLITICAL CONCERN.

3369
01:51:47,233 --> 01:51:50,633
NOBODY SAID THAT'S NOT WHY WE'RE

3370
01:51:50,633 --> 01:51:51,000
DOING IT.

3371
01:51:51,000 --> 01:51:53,566
RELIED ON WHAT MR. MULVANEY SAID

3372
01:51:53,566 --> 01:51:54,933
IN HIS PRESS CONFERENCE.

3373
01:51:54,933 --> 01:51:56,900
SO THERE WAS -- THERE'S A LOT TO

3374
01:51:56,900 --> 01:51:59,100
SUGGEST HERE THAT THIS IS ABOUT

3375
01:51:59,100 --> 01:52:00,766
POLITICAL BENEFIT.

3376
01:52:00,766 --> 01:52:02,900
I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN TALK ABOUT

3377
01:52:02,900 --> 01:52:04,766
ANOTHER PIECE OF AMBASSADOR

3378
01:52:04,766 --> 01:52:05,800
SONDLAND'S TESTIMONY NOW OR I

3379
01:52:05,800 --> 01:52:06,633
SHOULD WAIT.

3380
01:52:06,633 --> 01:52:07,433
TELL ME.

3381
01:52:07,433 --> 01:52:08,733
>> PLEASE TALK ABOUT IT.

3382
01:52:08,733 --> 01:52:12,000
>> SO I WANT TO JUST POINT TO

3383
01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:15,300
WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE THE MOST

3384
01:52:15,300 --> 01:52:16,366
STRIKING EXAMPLE OF THIS.

3385
01:52:16,366 --> 01:52:20,200
THE MOST -- I SPENT ALL OF

3386
01:52:20,200 --> 01:52:21,633
THANKSGIVING VACATION SITTING

3387
01:52:21,633 --> 01:52:23,633
THERE READING THESE TRANSCRIPTS.

3388
01:52:23,633 --> 01:52:25,500
YOU KNOW, I AID LIKE A TURKEY

3389
01:52:25,500 --> 01:52:28,233
THAT CAME TO US IN THE MAIL THAT

3390
01:52:28,233 --> 01:52:29,733
WAS ALREADY COOKED BECAUSE I WAS

3391
01:52:29,733 --> 01:52:32,400
SPENDING MY TIME DOING THIS.

3392
01:52:32,400 --> 01:52:35,400
THE MOST CHILLING LINE FOR ME OF

3393
01:52:35,400 --> 01:52:41,800
THE ENTIRE PROCESS IS THE

3394
01:52:41,800 --> 01:52:42,166
FOLLOWING.

3395
01:52:42,166 --> 01:52:43,400
AMBASSADOR SONDLAND HAD TO

3396
01:52:43,400 --> 01:52:44,500
ANNOUNCE THE INVESTIGATIONS.

3397
01:52:44,500 --> 01:52:46,200
HE DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THEM AS I

3398
01:52:46,200 --> 01:52:47,400
UNDERSTOOD IT.

3399
01:52:47,400 --> 01:52:48,966
HE SAID I NEVER HEARD

3400
01:52:48,966 --> 01:52:51,366
MR. GOLDMAN SAY THAT THE

3401
01:52:51,366 --> 01:52:52,166
INVESTIGATIONS HAD TO START OR

3402
01:52:52,166 --> 01:52:53,700
BE COMPLETED.

3403
01:52:53,700 --> 01:52:56,700
THE ONLY THING I HEARD FROM MANY

3404
01:52:56,700 --> 01:52:57,800
GULIANI OR OTHERWISE IS THAT

3405
01:52:57,800 --> 01:52:59,400
THEY HAD TO BE ANNOUNCED IN SOME

3406
01:52:59,400 --> 01:52:59,700
FORM.

3407
01:52:59,700 --> 01:53:04,366
WHAT I TOOK THAT TO MEAN, THIS

3408
01:53:04,366 --> 01:53:05,000
IS NOT ABOUT WHETHER VICE

3409
01:53:05,000 --> 01:53:07,466
PRESIDENT BIDEN COMMITTED C

3410
01:53:07,466 --> 01:53:11,166
CORRUPTION OR NOT.

3411
01:53:11,166 --> 01:53:14,333
THIS IS ABOUT IB JURYING

3412
01:53:14,333 --> 01:53:15,400
SOMEBODY THATTED THE PRESIDENT

3413
01:53:15,400 --> 01:53:17,166
THINKS IS A PARTICULARLY HARD

3414
01:53:17,166 --> 01:53:17,533
OPPONENT.

3415
01:53:17,533 --> 01:53:19,000
THAT'S FROM HIS PRIVATE BELIEFS.

3416
01:53:19,000 --> 01:53:20,633
IF I CAN SAY ONE LAST THING

3417
01:53:20,633 --> 01:53:22,233
ABOUT THE INTERESTS OF THE

3418
01:53:22,233 --> 01:53:23,433
UNITED STATES.

3419
01:53:23,433 --> 01:53:25,266
THE CONTUSION OF THE UNITED

3420
01:53:25,266 --> 01:53:28,466
STATES DOES NOT CARE WHETHER THE

3421
01:53:28,466 --> 01:53:29,400
NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED

3422
01:53:29,400 --> 01:53:30,566
STATES THE DONALD TRUMP OR ANY

3423
01:53:30,566 --> 01:53:32,700
ONE OF THE DEMOCRATS OR ANYBODY

3424
01:53:32,700 --> 01:53:34,300
RUNNING ON A THIRD PARTY.

3425
01:53:34,300 --> 01:53:35,433
THE CONSTITUTION IS INDIFFERENT

3426
01:53:35,433 --> 01:53:37,933
TO THAT.

3427
01:53:37,933 --> 01:53:39,333
WHAT THE CONSTITUTION CARES

3428
01:53:39,333 --> 01:53:42,933
ABOUT IS THAT WE HAVE FREE

3429
01:53:42,933 --> 01:53:43,300
ELECTIONS.

3430
01:53:43,300 --> 01:53:45,833
SO IT'S ONLY IN THE PRESIDENT'S

3431
01:53:45,833 --> 01:53:46,766
INTEREST, NOT THE NATIONAL

3432
01:53:46,766 --> 01:53:47,433
INTERESTS THAT A PARTICULAR

3433
01:53:47,433 --> 01:53:49,300
PRESIDENT BE ELECTED OR BE

3434
01:53:49,300 --> 01:53:51,400
DEFEATED AT THE NEXT ELECTION.

3435
01:53:51,400 --> 01:53:53,600
THE CONSTITUTION IS INDIFFERENT

3436
01:53:53,600 --> 01:53:54,800
TO THAT.

3437
01:53:54,800 --> 01:53:56,633
>> PROFESSOR FELDMAN, ANY

3438
01:53:56,633 --> 01:53:58,900
THOUGHTS ON THE SUBJECT OF THE

3439
01:53:58,900 --> 01:54:01,266
HIGH CRIME AND MISDEMEANOR OF

3440
01:54:01,266 --> 01:54:03,466
BRIBERY AND THE EVIDENCE THAT

3441
01:54:03,466 --> 01:54:05,200
PROFESSOR KARLAN LAID OUT.

3442
01:54:05,200 --> 01:54:07,466
>> THE CLEAR SENSE OF BRIBERY AT

3443
01:54:07,466 --> 01:54:10,866
THE TIME WHEN THE FRAMERS

3444
01:54:10,866 --> 01:54:12,533
ADOPTED THIS LANGUAGE IN THE

3445
01:54:12,533 --> 01:54:14,666
CONSTITUTION WAS THAT BRIBERY

3446
01:54:14,666 --> 01:54:16,166
EXISTED UNDER THE CONSTITUTION

3447
01:54:16,166 --> 01:54:18,733
WHEN THE PRESIDENT CORRUPTLY

3448
01:54:18,733 --> 01:54:21,666
ASKED FOR OR RECEIVED SOMETHING

3449
01:54:21,666 --> 01:54:26,233
OF VALUE TO HIM FROM SOMEONE WHO

3450
01:54:26,233 --> 01:54:27,500
COULD BE AFFECTED BY HIS

3451
01:54:27,500 --> 01:54:28,233
OFFICIAL OFFICE.

3452
01:54:28,233 --> 01:54:29,833
SO IF THE HOUSE OF

3453
01:54:29,833 --> 01:54:31,166
REPRESENTATIVES AND THE MEMBERS

3454
01:54:31,166 --> 01:54:32,733
OF THIS COMMITTEE WERE TO

3455
01:54:32,733 --> 01:54:35,433
DETERMINE THAT GETTING THE

3456
01:54:35,433 --> 01:54:38,300
INVESTIGATIONS EITHER ANNOUNCED

3457
01:54:38,300 --> 01:54:39,766
OR UNDERTAKEN WAS A THING OF

3458
01:54:39,766 --> 01:54:41,300
VALUE TO PRESIDENT TRUMP AND

3459
01:54:41,300 --> 01:54:43,233
THAT'S WHAT HE SOUGHT, THEN THIS

3460
01:54:43,233 --> 01:54:44,633
COMMITTEE AND THIS HOUSE COULD

3461
01:54:44,633 --> 01:54:45,600
SAFETY CONCLUDE THAT THE

3462
01:54:45,600 --> 01:54:47,400
PRESIDENT HAD COMMITTED BRIBERY

3463
01:54:47,400 --> 01:54:48,466
UNDER THE CONSTITUTION.

3464
01:54:48,466 --> 01:54:51,633
>> PROFESSOR GERHARDT, WHAT IS

3465
01:54:51,633 --> 01:54:52,800
YOUR VIEW?

3466
01:54:52,800 --> 01:54:54,300
>> I OF COURSE AGREE WITH

3467
01:54:54,300 --> 01:54:58,366
PROFESSOR KARLAN AND PROFESSOR

3468
01:54:58,366 --> 01:54:58,700
FELDMAN.

3469
01:54:58,700 --> 01:55:01,566
AND I JUST WANT TO STRESS THAT

3470
01:55:01,566 --> 01:55:04,100
IF THIS -- IF WHAT WE'RE TALKING

3471
01:55:04,100 --> 01:55:06,166
ABOUT IS NOT IMPEACHABLE, THEN

3472
01:55:06,166 --> 01:55:08,766
NOTHING IS IMPEACHABLE.

3473
01:55:08,766 --> 01:55:11,466
THIS IS PRECISELY THE MISCONDUCT

3474
01:55:11,466 --> 01:55:16,300
THAT THE FRAMES CREATED A

3475
01:55:16,300 --> 01:55:18,966
CONSTITUTION TO PROTECT AGAINST.

3476
01:55:18,966 --> 01:55:19,966
IF THERE'S NO ACTION, IF

3477
01:55:19,966 --> 01:55:20,766
CONGRESS CONCLUDES THEY'RE GOING

3478
01:55:20,766 --> 01:55:23,200
TO GIVE A PASS TO THE PRESIDENT

3479
01:55:23,200 --> 01:55:25,900
HERE, AS PROFESSOR KARLAN

3480
01:55:25,900 --> 01:55:27,000
SUGGESTED, EVERY OTHER PRESIDENT

3481
01:55:27,000 --> 01:55:29,933
WILL SAY, OKAY, THEN I CAN DO

3482
01:55:29,933 --> 01:55:31,700
THE SAME THING AND THE

3483
01:55:31,700 --> 01:55:33,566
BOUNDARIES WILL JUST EVAPORATE.

3484
01:55:33,566 --> 01:55:35,433
THOSE BOUNDARIES ARE SET UP BY

3485
01:55:35,433 --> 01:55:38,733
THE CONSTITUTION AND WE MAY BE

3486
01:55:38,733 --> 01:55:40,533
WITNESSING UNFORTUNATELY THEIR

3487
01:55:40,533 --> 01:55:40,866
EROSION.

3488
01:55:40,866 --> 01:55:44,200
THAT IS A DANGER TO ALL OF US.

3489
01:55:44,200 --> 01:55:46,233
>> AND WHAT CAN THIS COMMITTEE

3490
01:55:46,233 --> 01:55:47,833
AND THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

3491
01:55:47,833 --> 01:55:50,700
DO, SIR, TO DEFEND THOSE

3492
01:55:50,700 --> 01:55:51,333
BOUNDARIES AND TO PROTECT

3493
01:55:51,333 --> 01:55:54,333
AGAINST THAT EROSION?

3494
01:55:54,333 --> 01:55:59,433
>> PRECISELY WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

3495
01:55:59,433 --> 01:56:02,766
>> DOES IT MATTER -- I'LL ASK

3496
01:56:02,766 --> 01:56:06,366
ALL THE PANELISTS.

3497
01:56:06,366 --> 01:56:11,233
DOES IT MATTER TO IMPEACHMENT

3498
01:56:11,233 --> 01:56:13,833
THAT THE $391 MILLION U.S.

3499
01:56:13,833 --> 01:56:16,133
TAXPAYER DOLLARS IN MILITARY

3500
01:56:16,133 --> 01:56:18,533
ASSISTANCE THAT THE PRESIDENT

3501
01:56:18,533 --> 01:56:19,200
WITHHELD WAS ULTIMATELY

3502
01:56:19,200 --> 01:56:19,566
DELIVERED?

3503
01:56:19,566 --> 01:56:23,466
PROFESSOR FELDMAN, DOES THAT

3504
01:56:23,466 --> 01:56:23,900
MATTER?

3505
01:56:23,900 --> 01:56:26,733
>> NO, IT DOES NOT.

3506
01:56:26,733 --> 01:56:28,566
IF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED

3507
01:56:28,566 --> 01:56:30,400
STATES ATTEMPTS TO ABUSE HIS

3508
01:56:30,400 --> 01:56:32,266
OFFICE, THAT IS A COMPLETE

3509
01:56:32,266 --> 01:56:32,800
IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE.

3510
01:56:32,800 --> 01:56:34,166
THE POSSIBILITY THAT THE

3511
01:56:34,166 --> 01:56:35,166
PRESIDENT MIGHT GET CAUGHT IN

3512
01:56:35,166 --> 01:56:36,933
THE PROCESS OF ATTEMPTING TO

3513
01:56:36,933 --> 01:56:38,233
ABUSE HIS OFFICE AND THEN NOT

3514
01:56:38,233 --> 01:56:40,366
BEING ABLE TO PULL IT OFF DOES

3515
01:56:40,366 --> 01:56:42,500
NOT UNDERCUT IN ANY WAY THE

3516
01:56:42,500 --> 01:56:44,200
IMPEACHABILITY OF THE ACT.

3517
01:56:44,200 --> 01:56:46,500
IF YOU'LL PARDON A COMPARISON,

3518
01:56:46,500 --> 01:56:48,633
PRESIDENT NIXON WAS SUBJECT TO

3519
01:56:48,633 --> 01:56:50,366
ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT

3520
01:56:50,366 --> 01:56:52,533
PREFERRED BY IN COMMITTEE FOR

3521
01:56:52,533 --> 01:56:53,366
ATTEMPTING TO COVER UP THE

3522
01:56:53,366 --> 01:56:54,100
WATERGATE BREAK-IN.

3523
01:56:54,100 --> 01:56:56,600
THE FACT THAT PRESIDENT NIXON

3524
01:56:56,600 --> 01:56:58,000
WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL IN COVERING

3525
01:56:58,000 --> 01:56:59,433
UP THE BREAK IN WAS NOT GROUND

3526
01:56:59,433 --> 01:57:01,166
FOR NOT IMPEACHING HIM.

3527
01:57:01,166 --> 01:57:03,466
THE ATTEMPT ITSELF IS THE

3528
01:57:03,466 --> 01:57:07,466
IMPEACHABLE ACT.

3529
01:57:07,466 --> 01:57:09,666
>> PROFESSOR KARLAN, DOES IT

3530
01:57:09,666 --> 01:57:11,466
MATTER TO IMPEACHMENT THAT THE

3531
01:57:11,466 --> 01:57:13,533
UNFOUNDED INVESTIGATIONS THE

3532
01:57:13,533 --> 01:57:15,866
PRESIDENT SOUGHT WERE ULTIMATELY

3533
01:57:15,866 --> 01:57:16,533
NEVER ANNOUNCED?

3534
01:57:16,533 --> 01:57:18,000
>> NO, IT DOESN'T.

3535
01:57:18,000 --> 01:57:20,733
IF I CAN GIVE AN EXAMPLE THAT

3536
01:57:20,733 --> 01:57:22,133
SHOWS WHY SOLICITING IS NOT --

3537
01:57:22,133 --> 01:57:24,000
IMAGINE THAT YOU WERE PULLED

3538
01:57:24,000 --> 01:57:26,166
OVER FOR SPEEDING BY A POLICE

3539
01:57:26,166 --> 01:57:26,733
OFFICER.

3540
01:57:26,733 --> 01:57:29,900
THE OFFICER SAYS YOU WERE

3541
01:57:29,900 --> 01:57:30,266
SPEEDING.

3542
01:57:30,266 --> 01:57:33,266
IF YOU GIVE ME $20, I'LL DROP

3543
01:57:33,266 --> 01:57:33,766
THE TICKET.

3544
01:57:33,766 --> 01:57:36,666
YOU LOOK IN YOUR WALLET AND SAY,

3545
01:57:36,666 --> 01:57:38,366
I DON'T HAVE THE $20.

3546
01:57:38,366 --> 01:57:40,066
THE OFFICER SAYS OKAY.

3547
01:57:40,066 --> 01:57:40,900
JUST GO AHEAD.

3548
01:57:40,900 --> 01:57:42,333
HAVE A NICE DAY.

3549
01:57:42,333 --> 01:57:44,733
THE OFFICER WOULD STILL BE

3550
01:57:44,733 --> 01:57:47,400
GUILTY OF SOLICIT AGO BRIBE

3551
01:57:47,400 --> 01:57:50,033
THERE EVEN THOUGH HE LET YOU OFF

3552
01:57:50,033 --> 01:57:51,400
WITHOUT YOUR PAYING.

3553
01:57:51,400 --> 01:57:53,800
SOLICITING ITSELF IS THE

3554
01:57:53,800 --> 01:57:56,166
IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE REGARDLESS

3555
01:57:56,166 --> 01:57:57,333
WHETHER THE OTHER PERSON COMES

3556
01:57:57,333 --> 01:57:58,000
UP WITH IT.

3557
01:57:58,000 --> 01:57:59,100
IMAGINE THE PRESIDENT HAD SAID

3558
01:57:59,100 --> 01:58:02,766
WILL YOU DO US A FAVOR,

3559
01:58:02,766 --> 01:58:03,666
INVESTIGATE JOE BIDEN.

3560
01:58:03,666 --> 01:58:05,800
THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE SAID,

3561
01:58:05,800 --> 01:58:06,900
YOU KNOW WHAT?

3562
01:58:06,900 --> 01:58:07,866
NO, I WON'T BECAUSE WE'VE

3563
01:58:07,866 --> 01:58:10,800
ALREADY LOOKED INTO THIS AND

3564
01:58:10,800 --> 01:58:11,966
IT'S TOTALLY BASELESS.

3565
01:58:11,966 --> 01:58:13,533
THE PRESIDENT WOULD STILL HAVE

3566
01:58:13,533 --> 01:58:14,300
COMMITTED AN IMPEACHABLE ACT.

3567
01:58:14,300 --> 01:58:16,200
EVEN IF HE HAD BEEN REFUSED

3568
01:58:16,200 --> 01:58:18,866
RIGHT THERE ON THE PHONE.

3569
01:58:18,866 --> 01:58:23,133
SO I DON'T SEE WHY THE ULTIMATE

3570
01:58:23,133 --> 01:58:24,633
DECISION HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH

3571
01:58:24,633 --> 01:58:26,766
THE PRESIDENT'S IMPEACHABLE

3572
01:58:26,766 --> 01:58:27,100
CONDUCT.

3573
01:58:27,100 --> 01:58:29,366
>> WHAT IS THE DANGER IF

3574
01:58:29,366 --> 01:58:31,333
CONGRESS DOES NOT RESPOND TO

3575
01:58:31,333 --> 01:58:32,200
THAT ATTEMPT?

3576
01:58:32,200 --> 01:58:33,366
>> WE'VE ALREADY SEEN A LITTLE

3577
01:58:33,366 --> 01:58:36,033
BIT OF IT IS HE GETS OUT ON THE

3578
01:58:36,033 --> 01:58:37,666
WHITE HOUSE LAWN AND SAYS CHINA,

3579
01:58:37,666 --> 01:58:40,100
YOU SHOULD INVESTIGATE JOE

3580
01:58:40,100 --> 01:58:40,466
BIDEN.

3581
01:58:40,466 --> 01:58:42,433
>> PROFESSOR GERHARDT, YOUR

3582
01:58:42,433 --> 01:58:42,900
VIEW?

3583
01:58:42,900 --> 01:58:44,500
>> I CERTAINLY WOULD AGREE WITH

3584
01:58:44,500 --> 01:58:45,433
WHAT HAS BEEN SIDE.

3585
01:58:45,433 --> 01:58:46,833
ONE OF THE THINGS TO UNDERSTAND

3586
01:58:46,833 --> 01:58:50,766
FROM THE HISTORY OF IMPEACHMENT,

3587
01:58:50,766 --> 01:58:52,966
EVERYBODY THAT IS IMPEACHED HAS

3588
01:58:52,966 --> 01:58:53,300
FAILED.

3589
01:58:53,300 --> 01:58:55,200
THEY FAIL TO GET WHAT THEY

3590
01:58:55,200 --> 01:58:55,533
WANTED.

3591
01:58:55,533 --> 01:58:56,500
WHAT THEY WANTED WAS NOT JUST TO

3592
01:58:56,500 --> 01:58:58,866
DO WHAT THEY DID BUT TO GET AWAY

3593
01:58:58,866 --> 01:59:00,566
WITH IT.

3594
01:59:00,566 --> 01:59:02,333
THE POINT OF IMPEACHMENT IS AND

3595
01:59:02,333 --> 01:59:04,166
ITS MADE POSSIBLE THROUGH

3596
01:59:04,166 --> 01:59:06,600
INVESTIGATION IS TO NOT -- IS TO

3597
01:59:06,600 --> 01:59:08,266
CATCH THAT PERSON, CHARGE THAT

3598
01:59:08,266 --> 01:59:10,133
PERSON AND ULTIMATELY REMOVE

3599
01:59:10,133 --> 01:59:12,566
THEM FROM OFFICE.

3600
01:59:12,566 --> 01:59:13,333
IMPEACHMENTS ARE ALWAYS FOCUSING

3601
01:59:13,333 --> 01:59:14,066
ON SOMEBODY THAT DIDN'T QUITE

3602
01:59:14,066 --> 01:59:16,066
GET AS FAR AS THEY WANTED TO.

3603
01:59:16,066 --> 01:59:18,366
IT'S AS IF -- NOBODY IS BETTER

3604
01:59:18,366 --> 01:59:20,766
THAN PROFESSOR KARLAN AT

3605
01:59:20,766 --> 01:59:23,466
HYPOTHETICALS BUT I'LL RAISE

3606
01:59:23,466 --> 01:59:24,700
ANOTHER ONE.

3607
01:59:24,700 --> 01:59:25,700
IMAGINE A BANK ROBBERY.

3608
01:59:25,700 --> 01:59:26,433
THE POLICE COME.

3609
01:59:26,433 --> 01:59:27,966
THE PERSON IS IN THE MIDDLE OF

3610
01:59:27,966 --> 01:59:31,133
THE ROBBERY AND THE PERSON DROPS

3611
01:59:31,133 --> 01:59:34,566
THE MONEY AND SAYS, I'M GOING TO

3612
01:59:34,566 --> 01:59:37,833
LEAF WITHOUT THE MONEY.

3613
01:59:37,833 --> 01:59:40,900
EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT'S

3614
01:59:40,900 --> 01:59:41,266
BURGLARY.

3615
01:59:41,266 --> 01:59:43,433
THEY'RE RIGHT.

3616
01:59:43,433 --> 01:59:44,733
IN THIS SITUATION WE'VE GOT

3617
01:59:44,733 --> 01:59:47,400
SOMEBODY REALLY CAUGHT IN THE

3618
01:59:47,400 --> 01:59:50,166
MIDDLE OF IT AND THAT DOESN'T

3619
01:59:50,166 --> 01:59:52,600
EXCUSE THE PERSON THE

3620
01:59:52,600 --> 01:59:53,200
CONSEQUENCE.

3621
01:59:53,200 --> 01:59:54,900
>> PROFESSORS, WE'VE TALKED

3622
01:59:54,900 --> 01:59:57,033
ABOUT ABUSE OF POWER AND

3623
01:59:57,033 --> 01:59:57,366
BRAIBRY.

3624
01:59:57,366 --> 01:59:59,433
WHEN WE STARTED WE SAID WE

3625
01:59:59,433 --> 02:00:02,733
WOULD ALSO DISCUSS OBSTRUCTION

3626
02:00:02,733 --> 02:00:03,133
OF CONGRESS.

3627
02:00:03,133 --> 02:00:05,200
SO I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU SOME

3628
02:00:05,200 --> 02:00:08,666
QUESTIONS ABOUT OBSTRUCTION OF

3629
02:00:08,666 --> 02:00:09,433
CONGRESS.

3630
02:00:09,433 --> 02:00:10,900
PROFESSOR GERHARDT, IN YOUR

3631
02:00:10,900 --> 02:00:12,866
VIEW, IS THERE ENOUGH EVIDENCE

3632
02:00:12,866 --> 02:00:15,100
HERE TO CHARGE PRESIDENT TRUMP

3633
02:00:15,100 --> 02:00:17,033
WITH THE HIGH CRIME AND

3634
02:00:17,033 --> 02:00:18,500
MISDEMEANOR OF OBSTRUCTION OF

3635
02:00:18,500 --> 02:00:18,866
CONGRESS?

3636
02:00:18,866 --> 02:00:21,000
>> I THINK THERE'S MORE THAN

3637
02:00:21,000 --> 02:00:21,333
ENOUGH.

3638
02:00:21,333 --> 02:00:23,633
AS I MENTIONED IN MY

3639
02:00:23,633 --> 02:00:25,400
STATEMENT, I JUST REALLY

3640
02:00:25,400 --> 02:00:27,433
UNDERSCORE THIS -- THE THIRD

3641
02:00:27,433 --> 02:00:28,566
ARTICLE OF IMPEACHMENT

3642
02:00:28,566 --> 02:00:30,266
APPROVED BY THE HOUSE

3643
02:00:30,266 --> 02:00:32,233
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE AGAINST

3644
02:00:32,233 --> 02:00:33,333
PRESIDENT NIXON CHARGED HIM

3645
02:00:33,333 --> 02:00:34,666
WITH MISCONDUCT BECAUSE HE

3646
02:00:34,666 --> 02:00:36,733
FAILED TO COMPLY WITH FOUR

3647
02:00:36,733 --> 02:00:37,933
LEGISLATIVE SUBPOENAS.

3648
02:00:37,933 --> 02:00:39,900
THIS IS FAR MORE THAN FOUR THE

3649
02:00:39,900 --> 02:00:40,966
PRESIDENT HAS FAILED TO COMPLY

3650
02:00:40,966 --> 02:00:43,400
WITH, AND HE ORDERED THE

3651
02:00:43,400 --> 02:00:44,066
EXECUTEDIVE BRANCH AS WELL,

3652
02:00:44,066 --> 02:00:46,066
NOT TO COOPERATE WITH

3653
02:00:46,066 --> 02:00:46,433
CONGRESS.

3654
02:00:46,433 --> 02:00:48,033
THOSE TOGETHER WITH A LOT OF

3655
02:00:48,033 --> 02:00:50,466
OTHER EVIDENCE SUGGEST

3656
02:00:50,466 --> 02:00:51,333
OBSTRUCTION OF CONGRESS.

3657
02:00:51,333 --> 02:00:53,366
>> PROFESSOR KARLAN, DO YOU

3658
02:00:53,366 --> 02:00:53,700
AGREE?

3659
02:00:53,700 --> 02:00:57,000
>> I'M A SCHOLAR OF THE LAW OF

3660
02:00:57,000 --> 02:00:57,366
DEMOCRACY.

3661
02:00:57,366 --> 02:01:01,300
SO AS A CITIZEN, I AGREE WITH

3662
02:01:01,300 --> 02:01:02,733
WHAT PROFESSOR GERHARDT SAID.

3663
02:01:02,733 --> 02:01:04,733
AS AN EXPERT, MY LIMITATION IS

3664
02:01:04,733 --> 02:01:07,000
THAT I'M A SCHOLAR OF THE LAW

3665
02:01:07,000 --> 02:01:08,666
OF DEMOCRACY, I'M NOT A

3666
02:01:08,666 --> 02:01:10,733
SCHOLAR OF OBSTRUCTION OF

3667
02:01:10,733 --> 02:01:11,333
JUSTICE OR CONGRESS.

3668
02:01:11,333 --> 02:01:13,800
>> WE WILL ACCEPT YOUR OPINION

3669
02:01:13,800 --> 02:01:14,733
AS A CITIZEN.

3670
02:01:14,733 --> 02:01:18,166
>> PROFESSOR FELDMAN, THE

3671
02:01:18,166 --> 02:01:19,933
OBSTRUCTION OF CONGRESS IS A

3672
02:01:19,933 --> 02:01:21,666
PROBLEM BECAUSE IT UNDERMINES

3673
02:01:21,666 --> 02:01:23,200
THE BASIC PRINCIPLE OF THE

3674
02:01:23,200 --> 02:01:23,633
CONSTITUTION.

3675
02:01:23,633 --> 02:01:25,900
IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THREE

3676
02:01:25,900 --> 02:01:26,733
BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT, EACH

3677
02:01:26,733 --> 02:01:28,666
OF THE BRANCHES HAS TO BE ABLE

3678
02:01:28,666 --> 02:01:29,733
TO DO ITS JOB.

3679
02:01:29,733 --> 02:01:32,166
THE JOB OF THE HOUSE IS TO

3680
02:01:32,166 --> 02:01:33,100
INVESTIGATE IMPEACHMENT AND TO

3681
02:01:33,100 --> 02:01:33,833
IMPEACH.

3682
02:01:33,833 --> 02:01:35,700
A PRESIDENT WHO SAYS, AS THIS

3683
02:01:35,700 --> 02:01:37,466
PRESIDENT DID SAY, I WILL NOT

3684
02:01:37,466 --> 02:01:39,400
COOPERATE IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR

3685
02:01:39,400 --> 02:01:43,366
FORM WITH YOUR PROCESS ROBS A

3686
02:01:43,366 --> 02:01:45,333
BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT, IF YOU

3687
02:01:45,333 --> 02:01:47,400
ROB THE HOUSE OF

3688
02:01:47,400 --> 02:01:49,333
REPRESENTATIVES OF ITS

3689
02:01:49,333 --> 02:01:50,000
CONSTITUTIONAL IMPEACHMENT.

3690
02:01:50,000 --> 02:01:51,066
WHEN YOU ADD TO THAT THE SAME

3691
02:01:51,066 --> 02:01:53,500
PRESIDENT SAYS MY DEPARTMENT

3692
02:01:53,500 --> 02:01:54,766
OF JUSTICE CANNOT CHARGE ME

3693
02:01:54,766 --> 02:01:56,800
WITH A CRIME, THE PRESIDENT

3694
02:01:56,800 --> 02:01:58,066
PUTS HIMSELF ABOVE THE LAW

3695
02:01:58,066 --> 02:02:02,233
WHEN HE SAYS HE WILL NOT WITH

3696
02:02:02,233 --> 02:02:02,866
AN IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY.

3697
02:02:02,866 --> 02:02:05,033
IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO EMPHASIZE

3698
02:02:05,033 --> 02:02:05,866
THIS STRONG ENOUGH.

3699
02:02:05,866 --> 02:02:08,233
A PRESIDENT WHO WILL NOT

3700
02:02:08,233 --> 02:02:09,766
COOPERATE WITH IMPEACHMENT

3701
02:02:09,766 --> 02:02:11,333
INQUIRIES IS PUTTING HIMSELF

3702
02:02:11,333 --> 02:02:12,200
ABOVE THE LAW.

3703
02:02:12,200 --> 02:02:13,100
PUTTING YOURSELF ABOVE THE LAW

3704
02:02:13,100 --> 02:02:16,833
AS PRESIDENT IS THE CORE OF

3705
02:02:16,833 --> 02:02:17,600
IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE BECAUSE IF

3706
02:02:17,600 --> 02:02:19,100
HE CAN'T BE IMPEACHED FOR

3707
02:02:19,100 --> 02:02:21,266
THAT, HE WOULD NOT BE

3708
02:02:21,266 --> 02:02:23,433
RESPONSIBLE TO ANYBODY.

3709
02:02:23,433 --> 02:02:28,866
>> AND SIR, IN FOIN FORMING YOU

3710
02:02:28,866 --> 02:02:31,133
OPINION, DID YOU REVIEW THESE

3711
02:02:31,133 --> 02:02:33,266
STATEMENTS FROM THE PRESIDENT.

3712
02:02:33,266 --> 02:02:35,400
>> WE'RE FIGHTING ALL OF THEM.

3713
02:02:35,400 --> 02:02:36,800
ARTICLE TWO, I HAVE THE RIGHT

3714
02:02:36,800 --> 02:02:39,433
TO DO WHATEVER I WANT TO DO.

3715
02:02:39,433 --> 02:02:41,533
>> AND THEN AS SOMEONE WHO

3716
02:02:41,533 --> 02:02:42,600
CARES ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION,

3717
02:02:42,600 --> 02:02:44,366
THE SECOND OF THOSE IN

3718
02:02:44,366 --> 02:02:47,400
PARTICULAR, STRUCK A KIND OF

3719
02:02:47,400 --> 02:02:50,700
HORROR IN ME.

3720
02:02:50,700 --> 02:02:55,366
PROFESSOR GERHARDT, IN

3721
02:02:55,366 --> 02:02:57,133
FOERNLING YOUR OPINION THAT

3722
02:02:57,133 --> 02:02:59,100
PRESIDENT TRUMP COMMITTED

3723
02:02:59,100 --> 02:02:59,700
IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE OF

3724
02:02:59,700 --> 02:03:01,133
OBSTRUCTING CONGRESS, DID YOU

3725
02:03:01,133 --> 02:03:02,466
CONSIDER THE INTELLIGENCE

3726
02:03:02,466 --> 02:03:04,700
COMMITTEE REPORT AND ITS

3727
02:03:04,700 --> 02:03:07,100
FINDING INCLUDING FINDING THAT

3728
02:03:07,100 --> 02:03:08,566
PRESIDENT TRUMP ORDERED AND

3729
02:03:08,566 --> 02:03:10,200
IMPLEMENTED A CAMPAIGN TO

3730
02:03:10,200 --> 02:03:11,933
CONCEAL HIS CONDUCT FROM THE

3731
02:03:11,933 --> 02:03:14,100
PUBLIC AND TO FRUSTRATE AND

3732
02:03:14,100 --> 02:03:18,100
OBSTRUCT THE HOUSE OF

3733
02:03:18,100 --> 02:03:19,266
REPRESENTATIVES IMPEACHMENT

3734
02:03:19,266 --> 02:03:19,600
INQUIRY.

3735
02:03:19,600 --> 02:03:23,433
>> I READ THAT REPORT LAST

3736
02:03:23,433 --> 02:03:23,766
NIGHT.

3737
02:03:23,766 --> 02:03:26,166
I WATCHED AND READ ALL THE

3738
02:03:26,166 --> 02:03:26,766
TRANSCRIPTS THAT WERE

3739
02:03:26,766 --> 02:03:27,133
AVAILABLE.

3740
02:03:27,133 --> 02:03:34,166
THE REPORT THAT WAS ISSUED

3741
02:03:34,166 --> 02:03:34,866
REINFORCES EVERYTHING ELSE.

3742
02:03:34,866 --> 02:03:37,566
>> WE TALKED ABOUT, A BUSE OF

3743
02:03:37,566 --> 02:03:40,700
POWER AND BRIBERY, AND THEN

3744
02:03:40,700 --> 02:03:44,200
ABOUT OBSTRUCTION OF CONGRESS.

3745
02:03:44,200 --> 02:03:45,700
PROFESSOR GERHARDT, I'D LIKE

3746
02:03:45,700 --> 02:03:47,733
TO ASK YOU QUESTIONS ABOUT A

3747
02:03:47,733 --> 02:03:50,033
THIRD IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE, AND

3748
02:03:50,033 --> 02:03:55,400
THAT IS OBSTRUCTION OF

3749
02:03:55,400 --> 02:03:56,533
JUSTICE.

3750
02:03:56,533 --> 02:03:59,400
HAVE YOU FORMED AN OPINION

3751
02:03:59,400 --> 02:04:01,266
WHETHER PRESIDENT TRUMP

3752
02:04:01,266 --> 02:04:01,900
COMMITTED OBSTRUCTION OF

3753
02:04:01,900 --> 02:04:02,233
JUSTICE?

3754
02:04:02,233 --> 02:04:03,000
>> YES, I V.

3755
02:04:03,000 --> 02:04:05,500
>> AND WHAT IS YOUR OPINION,

3756
02:04:05,500 --> 02:04:05,833
SIR?

3757
02:04:05,833 --> 02:04:08,766
>> BASED -- I'VE COME HERE

3758
02:04:08,766 --> 02:04:09,766
LIKE EVERY WITNESS.

3759
02:04:09,766 --> 02:04:11,466
ASSUMING THE FACTS PUT

3760
02:04:11,466 --> 02:04:17,900
TOGETHER, THE MU MUELLER REPORT

3761
02:04:17,900 --> 02:04:20,333
STATES FACTS THAT THE

3762
02:04:20,333 --> 02:04:20,866
PRESIDENT COMMITTED

3763
02:04:20,866 --> 02:04:21,866
OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE AND

3764
02:04:21,866 --> 02:04:23,133
THAT'S AN IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE.

3765
02:04:23,133 --> 02:04:25,800
>> AND IN YOUR TESTIMONY, YOU

3766
02:04:25,800 --> 02:04:28,400
POINTED OUT THAT THE Mxá*UL ERR

3767
02:04:28,400 --> 02:04:31,133
REPORT FOUND FIVE INSTANCES OF

3768
02:04:31,133 --> 02:04:32,733
THE PRESIDENT'S OBSTRUCTION OF

3769
02:04:32,733 --> 02:04:34,466
THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT'S

3770
02:04:34,466 --> 02:04:35,933
CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION INTO

3771
02:04:35,933 --> 02:04:38,000
RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE INTO THE

3772
02:04:38,000 --> 02:04:38,733
2016 ELECTION, CORRECT?

3773
02:04:38,733 --> 02:04:39,200
>> YES, SIR.

3774
02:04:39,200 --> 02:04:42,100
>> AND THE FIRST OF THOSE

3775
02:04:42,100 --> 02:04:43,400
INSTANCES WAS THE PRESIDENT

3776
02:04:43,400 --> 02:04:45,366
ORDERING WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL,

3777
02:04:45,366 --> 02:04:48,100
DON MAGAN TO FIRE THE SPECIAL

3778
02:04:48,100 --> 02:04:50,266
COUNSEL, RATHER TO HAVE THE

3779
02:04:50,266 --> 02:04:53,033
SPECIAL COUNSEL FIRED IN ORDER

3780
02:04:53,033 --> 02:04:54,866
TO THWART THE INVESTIGATION OF

3781
02:04:54,866 --> 02:04:56,366
THE PRESIDENT, CORRECT?

3782
02:04:56,366 --> 02:04:56,900
>> THAT IS CORRECT.

3783
02:04:56,900 --> 02:04:59,433
>> AND THE SECOND THE

3784
02:04:59,433 --> 02:05:03,200
PRESIDENT ORDERED MR. MAGAN TO

3785
02:05:03,200 --> 02:05:04,733
CREATE A FALSE WRITTEN RECORD

3786
02:05:04,733 --> 02:05:06,033
DENYING THAT THE PRESIDENT

3787
02:05:06,033 --> 02:05:09,433
ORDERED HIM TO HAVE MR.

3788
02:05:09,433 --> 02:05:09,900
MUELLER REMOVED?

3789
02:05:09,900 --> 02:05:10,400
>> THAT'S CORRECT.

3790
02:05:10,400 --> 02:05:12,833
>> AND YOU ALSO POINT TO THE

3791
02:05:12,833 --> 02:05:14,600
MEETING OF THE PRESIDENT WITH

3792
02:05:14,600 --> 02:05:19,433
HIS FORMER CAMPAIGN MANAGER,

3793
02:05:19,433 --> 02:05:26,733
CORY LIEUEENDOWSE KEY.

3794
02:05:26,733 --> 02:05:29,400
>> YES, SIR.

3795
02:05:29,400 --> 02:05:32,733
>> AND WITNESS TAMPERING AS

3796
02:05:32,733 --> 02:05:35,900
FAR AS MICHAEL COHEN AND

3797
02:05:35,900 --> 02:05:37,633
FORMER PERSONAL LAWYER TO THE

3798
02:05:37,633 --> 02:05:38,000
PRESIDENT?

3799
02:05:38,000 --> 02:05:39,066
>> INDIVIDUALLY AND

3800
02:05:39,066 --> 02:05:39,933
COLLECTIVELY THESE ARE

3801
02:05:39,933 --> 02:05:42,700
EVIDENCE OF OBSTRUCTION OF

3802
02:05:42,700 --> 02:05:43,433
JUSTICE.

3803
02:05:43,433 --> 02:05:46,000
>> HOW SERIOUS IS THAT

3804
02:05:46,000 --> 02:05:46,600
OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE?

3805
02:05:46,600 --> 02:05:47,266
>> IT'S QUITE SERIOUS.

3806
02:05:47,266 --> 02:05:49,366
AND THAT'S NOT ALL OF IT, OF

3807
02:05:49,366 --> 02:05:52,633
COURSE, AND WE KNOW AS YOU'VE

3808
02:05:52,633 --> 02:05:53,366
MENTIONED BEFORE, OBSTRUCTION

3809
02:05:53,366 --> 02:05:55,433
OF JUSTICE IS RECOGNIZED AS AN

3810
02:05:55,433 --> 02:05:56,700
IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE AGAINST

3811
02:05:56,700 --> 02:05:58,266
PRESIDENT CLINTON AND

3812
02:05:58,266 --> 02:05:58,833
PRESIDENT NIXON.

3813
02:05:58,833 --> 02:06:01,366
THIS EVIDENCE PUT FORWARD BY

3814
02:06:01,366 --> 02:06:02,766
MR.búM MUELLER IS IN THE PUBLIC

3815
02:06:02,766 --> 02:06:06,733
RECORD, AND IS VERY STRONG

3816
02:06:06,733 --> 02:06:07,400
EVIDENCE OF OBSTRUCTION OF

3817
02:06:07,400 --> 02:06:07,733
JUSTICE.

3818
02:06:07,733 --> 02:06:09,433
>> PROFESSOR KARLAN, WHEN YOU

3819
02:06:09,433 --> 02:06:11,200
LOOK AT THE DEPARTMENT OF

3820
02:06:11,200 --> 02:06:12,133
JUSTICE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION,

3821
02:06:12,133 --> 02:06:14,033
AND HOW THE PRESIDENT

3822
02:06:14,033 --> 02:06:16,466
RESPONDED TO THAT, AND WHEN

3823
02:06:16,466 --> 02:06:20,033
YOU LOOK AT CONGRESS UKRAINE

3824
02:06:20,033 --> 02:06:20,700
INVESTIGATION, HOW THE

3825
02:06:20,700 --> 02:06:22,000
PRESIDENT RESPONDED TO THAT,

3826
02:06:22,000 --> 02:06:25,166
DO YOU SEE A PATTERN?

3827
02:06:25,166 --> 02:06:25,500
>> YES.

3828
02:06:25,500 --> 02:06:29,466
I SEE A PATTERN IN WHICH THE

3829
02:06:29,466 --> 02:06:33,366
PRESIDENT'S VIEWS ABOUT THE

3830
02:06:33,366 --> 02:06:35,266
PROPRIETY OF FOREIGN

3831
02:06:35,266 --> 02:06:38,200
GOVERNMENTS INTERVENING IN THE

3832
02:06:38,200 --> 02:06:41,266
ELECTION PROCESS ARE THE

3833
02:06:41,266 --> 02:06:43,433
ANTITHESIS OF THE FRAMERS.

3834
02:06:43,433 --> 02:06:45,700
WE AS AMERICANS DECIDE OUR

3835
02:06:45,700 --> 02:06:46,066
ELECTIONS.

3836
02:06:46,066 --> 02:06:47,433
WE DON'T WANT FOREIGN

3837
02:06:47,433 --> 02:06:48,866
INTERFERENCE IN THOSE

3838
02:06:48,866 --> 02:06:49,233
ELECTIONS.

3839
02:06:49,233 --> 02:06:50,733
THE REASON WE DON'T WANT

3840
02:06:50,733 --> 02:06:51,433
FOREIGN INTERFERENCE IN THE

3841
02:06:51,433 --> 02:06:54,300
ELECTIONS IS BECAUSE WE ARE

3842
02:06:54,300 --> 02:06:54,966
SELF-DETERMINING DEMOCRACY,

3843
02:06:54,966 --> 02:06:57,533
AND IF I COULD JUST READ ONE

3844
02:06:57,533 --> 02:06:59,266
QUOTATION TO YOU WHICH I THINK

3845
02:06:59,266 --> 02:07:00,566
IS HELPFUL IN UNDERSTANDING

3846
02:07:00,566 --> 02:07:01,800
THIS, SOMEBODY WHO IS POINTING

3847
02:07:01,800 --> 02:07:05,833
TO WHAT HE CALLS A STRAIGHT

3848
02:07:05,833 --> 02:07:06,333
FORWARD PRINCIPLE.

3849
02:07:06,333 --> 02:07:10,033
IT'S FUNDAMENTAL TO THE

3850
02:07:10,033 --> 02:07:10,900
COMMUNITY THAT FOREIGN

3851
02:07:10,900 --> 02:07:12,400
CITIZENS DO NOT HAVE A

3852
02:07:12,400 --> 02:07:13,300
CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO

3853
02:07:13,300 --> 02:07:14,600
PARTICIPATE IN AND THUS

3854
02:07:14,600 --> 02:07:17,366
EXCLUDED FROM ACTIVITIES OF

3855
02:07:17,366 --> 02:07:18,033
DEMOCRATIC SELF-GOVERNMENT.

3856
02:07:18,033 --> 02:07:19,433
AND THE PERSON WHO WROTE THOSE

3857
02:07:19,433 --> 02:07:24,900
WORD SIZE NOW JUSTICE BRET

3858
02:07:24,900 --> 02:07:26,666
CAVENAUGH IN UPHOLDING THE

3859
02:07:26,666 --> 02:07:28,466
CONSTITUTIONALITY OF A STATUTE

3860
02:07:28,466 --> 02:07:29,766
WHICH DENIES FOREIGN CITIZENS

3861
02:07:29,766 --> 02:07:31,466
THE RIGHT TO PARTICIPATE IN

3862
02:07:31,466 --> 02:07:34,333
ELECTIONS BY SPENDING MONEY ON

3863
02:07:34,333 --> 02:07:38,733
ELECTIONEERING OR GIVING MONEY

3864
02:07:38,733 --> 02:07:40,100
TO PACS.

3865
02:07:40,100 --> 02:07:42,233
THEY'RE FORBIDDEN TO GIVE

3866
02:07:42,233 --> 02:07:43,800
MONEY TO CANDIDATES BECAUSE

3867
02:07:43,800 --> 02:07:46,866
THEY DENIES US THE RIGHT TO

3868
02:07:46,866 --> 02:07:48,133
SELF-GOVERNMENT, AND JFTD

3869
02:07:48,133 --> 02:07:50,733
CAVE

3870
02:07:50,733 --> 02:07:51,266
JUSTICE

3871
02:07:51,266 --> 02:07:54,833
CAVENAUGH WAS CORRECT IN

3872
02:07:54,833 --> 02:07:55,233
SAYING THIS.

3873
02:07:55,233 --> 02:07:59,200
TALKING ABOUT THE FIRST

3874
02:07:59,200 --> 02:07:59,566
AMENDMENT.

3875
02:07:59,566 --> 02:08:00,166
SUMMARILY AFFIRMED.

3876
02:08:00,166 --> 02:08:02,366
THEY DBT NEED TO HEAR ARGUMENT

3877
02:08:02,366 --> 02:08:04,333
TO KNOW IT'S NOT

3878
02:08:04,333 --> 02:08:04,966
CONSTITUTIONAL TO KEEP

3879
02:08:04,966 --> 02:08:06,633
FOREIGNERS OUT OF THE ELECTION

3880
02:08:06,633 --> 02:08:07,000
PROCESS.

3881
02:08:07,000 --> 02:08:08,766
>> PROFESSOR FELDMAN YOU WERE

3882
02:08:08,766 --> 02:08:10,466
AN IMPEACHMENT SKEPTIC AT THE

3883
02:08:10,466 --> 02:08:13,800
TIME OF THE RELEASE OF THE

3884
02:08:13,800 --> 02:08:15,466
MUELLER REPORT, WERE YOU NOT?

3885
02:08:15,466 --> 02:08:16,633
>> I WAS.

3886
02:08:16,633 --> 02:08:18,033
>> WHAT'S CHANGED FOR YOU,

3887
02:08:18,033 --> 02:08:18,600
SIR?

3888
02:08:18,600 --> 02:08:20,333
>> WHAT CHANGED WAS THE

3889
02:08:20,333 --> 02:08:21,900
REVELATION OF THE JULY 25th

3890
02:08:21,900 --> 02:08:23,433
CALL, AND THEN THE EVIDENCE

3891
02:08:23,433 --> 02:08:24,533
THAT EMERGED OF THE PRESIDENT

3892
02:08:24,533 --> 02:08:26,700
OF THE UNITED STATES IN A

3893
02:08:26,700 --> 02:08:28,033
FORMAT WHERE HE WAS HURT BY

3894
02:08:28,033 --> 02:08:30,666
OTHERS AND NOW KNOWING TO THE

3895
02:08:30,666 --> 02:08:32,400
PUBLIC, OPENLY ABUSED HIS

3896
02:08:32,400 --> 02:08:34,833
OFFICE BY SEEKING A PERSONAL

3897
02:08:34,833 --> 02:08:38,733
ADVANTAGE IN ORDER TO GET

3898
02:08:38,733 --> 02:08:39,933
HIMSELF RE-ELECTED AN ACT

3899
02:08:39,933 --> 02:08:41,333
AGAINST THE SECURITY OF THE

3900
02:08:41,333 --> 02:08:41,866
UNITED STATES.

3901
02:08:41,866 --> 02:08:43,433
THAT IS PRECISELY THE

3902
02:08:43,433 --> 02:08:47,433
SITUATION THAT THE FRAMERS

3903
02:08:47,433 --> 02:08:50,966
ANTICIPATED.

3904
02:08:50,966 --> 02:08:52,700
WHEN THEY DO COME TO THAT, WE

3905
02:08:52,700 --> 02:08:54,466
HAVE TO ASK OURSELVES, SOME

3906
02:08:54,466 --> 02:08:56,733
DAY WE WILL NO LONGER BE ALIVE

3907
02:08:56,733 --> 02:08:58,933
AND GO WHEREVER IT IS WE GO.

3908
02:08:58,933 --> 02:09:00,700
THE GOOD PLACE OR THE OTHER

3909
02:09:00,700 --> 02:09:03,100
PLACE, AND WE MAY MEET THERE,

3910
02:09:03,100 --> 02:09:04,633
MADISON AND HAMILTON, AND THEY

3911
02:09:04,633 --> 02:09:06,633
WILL ASK US, WHEN THE

3912
02:09:06,633 --> 02:09:07,900
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

3913
02:09:07,900 --> 02:09:09,466
ACTED TO CORRUPT THE STRUCTURE

3914
02:09:09,466 --> 02:09:12,200
OF THE REPUBLIC, WHAT DID YOU

3915
02:09:12,200 --> 02:09:12,466
DO?

3916
02:09:12,466 --> 02:09:13,933
OUR ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION

3917
02:09:13,933 --> 02:09:16,033
MUST BE THAT WE FOLLOWED THE

3918
02:09:16,033 --> 02:09:18,000
GUIDANCE OF THE FRAMERS, AND

3919
02:09:18,000 --> 02:09:20,266
IT MUST BE THAT IF THE

3920
02:09:20,266 --> 02:09:21,433
EVIDENCE SUPPORTS THAT

3921
02:09:21,433 --> 02:09:22,866
CONCLUSION THAT THE HOUSE OF

3922
02:09:22,866 --> 02:09:24,433
REPRESENTATIVES MOVES TO

3923
02:09:24,433 --> 02:09:24,833
IMPEACH HIM.

3924
02:09:24,833 --> 02:09:25,266
>> THANK YOU.

3925
02:09:25,266 --> 02:09:27,366
I YIELD MY TIME BACK TO THE

3926
02:09:27,366 --> 02:09:27,733
CHAIRMAN.

3927
02:09:27,733 --> 02:09:31,466
>> MY TIME HAS EXPIRED.

3928
02:09:31,466 --> 02:09:32,766
I YIELD BACK.

3929
02:09:32,766 --> 02:09:36,000
BEFORE I RECOGNIZE THE RANKING

3930
02:09:36,000 --> 02:09:38,000
MEMBERS, THE FIRST ROUND OF

3931
02:09:38,000 --> 02:09:38,866
QUESTIONS, THE COMMITTEE WILL

3932
02:09:38,866 --> 02:09:43,233
STAND IN A 10 MINUTE

3933
02:09:43,233 --> 02:09:43,766
HUMANITARIAN RECESS.

3934
02:09:43,766 --> 02:09:45,766
I ASK EVERYONE IN THE ROOM TO

3935
02:09:45,766 --> 02:09:47,433
PLEASE REMAIN SEATED AND QUIET

3936
02:09:47,433 --> 02:09:48,900
WHILE THE WITNESSES EXIT THE

3937
02:09:48,900 --> 02:09:49,200
ROOM.

3938
02:09:49,200 --> 02:09:50,733
I ALSO WANT TO ANNOUNCE TO

3939
02:09:50,733 --> 02:09:52,766
THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT YOU

3940
02:09:52,766 --> 02:09:54,266
MAY NOT BE GUARANTEED YOUR

3941
02:09:54,266 --> 02:09:56,033
SEAT IF YOU LEAVE THE HEARING

3942
02:09:56,033 --> 02:09:58,900
ROOM AT THIS TIME.

3943
02:09:58,900 --> 02:10:01,133
ONCE THE WITNESSES HAVE LEFT

3944
02:10:01,133 --> 02:10:03,333
THE HEARING ROOM, AT THIS TIME

3945
02:10:03,333 --> 02:10:07,433
THE COMMITTEE WILL STAND IN A

3946
02:10:07,433 --> 02:10:09,800
SHORT RECESS.

3947
02:10:09,800 --> 02:10:15,333
>> AND CHAIRMAN JERRY NADLER

3948
02:10:15,333 --> 02:10:15,966
CALLED A RECESS.

3949
02:10:15,966 --> 02:10:17,500
THE LIVE IMPEACHMENT HEARING

3950
02:10:17,500 --> 02:10:20,166
TAKING PLACE TODAY IN

3951
02:10:20,166 --> 02:10:20,566
WASHINGTON.

3952
02:10:20,566 --> 02:10:23,033
FOUR WITNESSES, ALL FOUR

3953
02:10:23,033 --> 02:10:24,766
CONSTITUTIONAL LAW COLORS.

3954
02:10:24,766 --> 02:10:25,233
LAW PROFESSORS.

3955
02:10:25,233 --> 02:10:27,400
THREE OF THEM CHOSEN BY THE

3956
02:10:27,400 --> 02:10:30,666
DEMOCRATS, ONE BY THE

3957
02:10:30,666 --> 02:10:31,066
REPUBLICANS.

3958
02:10:31,066 --> 02:10:33,066
I'M JUDY WOODRUFF AT PBS

3959
02:10:33,066 --> 02:10:35,066
STUDIOS IN WASHINGTON JOINED

3960
02:10:35,066 --> 02:10:36,566
BY OUR CORRESPONDENTS, WHO ARE

3961
02:10:36,566 --> 02:10:43,033
WITH US ON THE HILL.

3962
02:10:43,033 --> 02:10:43,400
ALCINDOR.

3963
02:10:43,400 --> 02:10:45,166
SOL WEISENBERG WITH ME HERE AT

3964
02:10:45,166 --> 02:10:45,533
THE TABLE.

3965
02:10:45,533 --> 02:10:47,366
FRANK BOWMAN, BOTH OF YOU

3966
02:10:47,366 --> 02:10:47,733
ATTORNEYS.

3967
02:10:47,733 --> 02:10:52,500
BOTH OF YOU HAVE LOOKED AT THE

3968
02:10:52,500 --> 02:10:53,300
ISSUE OF IMPEACHMENT.

3969
02:10:53,300 --> 02:10:54,400
FRANK BOWMAN, WE'VE BEEN

3970
02:10:54,400 --> 02:10:59,966
LISTENING TO A SERIES OF

3971
02:10:59,966 --> 02:11:03,433
QUESTIONS POSED BY NORM

3972
02:11:03,433 --> 02:11:05,533
WISEMAN, ASKING THEM TO GO

3973
02:11:05,533 --> 02:11:07,633
BACK AND EXPLAIN WHY THEY

3974
02:11:07,633 --> 02:11:09,033
BELIEVE THREE OF THE FOUR

3975
02:11:09,033 --> 02:11:12,600
BELIEVE THE PRESIDENT HAS

3976
02:11:12,600 --> 02:11:17,133
DEFINITELY COMMITTED

3977
02:11:17,133 --> 02:11:18,200
IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES WHAT HAVE

3978
02:11:18,200 --> 02:11:20,366
WE HEARD THAT BOLSTERS THE

3979
02:11:20,366 --> 02:11:21,600
CASE OF THE DEMOCRATS THIS

3980
02:11:21,600 --> 02:11:21,966
HAPPENED?

3981
02:11:21,966 --> 02:11:27,633
>> I THINK WHAT WE'VE HEARD IS

3982
02:11:27,633 --> 02:11:29,000
A COGENT EXPLANATION OF WHAT

3983
02:11:29,000 --> 02:11:31,033
THE CONSTITUTION SAYS ABOUT

3984
02:11:31,033 --> 02:11:31,433
IMPEACHMENT.

3985
02:11:31,433 --> 02:11:32,700
A COGENT EXPLANATION OF WHAT

3986
02:11:32,700 --> 02:11:34,233
HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS,

3987
02:11:34,233 --> 02:11:37,966
AND INDEED THE ENTIRE PHRASE,

3988
02:11:37,966 --> 02:11:39,266
TREASON, BRIBERY OR HIGH

3989
02:11:39,266 --> 02:11:40,666
CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS MAEBT

3990
02:11:40,666 --> 02:11:41,666
TO THE FRAMERS.

3991
02:11:41,666 --> 02:11:43,400
WHERE THE PHRASE CAME FROM,

3992
02:11:43,400 --> 02:11:47,300
AND PARTICULARLY, I THINK ALL

3993
02:11:47,300 --> 02:11:50,666
THREE OF THEM CRITICAL TO THE

3994
02:11:50,666 --> 02:11:52,133
WHOLE NOTION OF THE

3995
02:11:52,133 --> 02:11:54,100
CONSTITUTION IS THE IDEA THAT

3996
02:11:54,100 --> 02:11:58,000
ABUSE OF POWER IS ONE OF THE

3997
02:11:58,000 --> 02:11:59,400
CORE IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES.

3998
02:11:59,400 --> 02:12:00,566
THAT IS CERTAINLY TRUE.

3999
02:12:00,566 --> 02:12:03,200
THAT'S AN IDEA THAT PRE-DATES

4000
02:12:03,200 --> 02:12:03,700
OUR CONSTITUTION.

4001
02:12:03,700 --> 02:12:05,300
IT GOES ALL THE WAY BACK INTO

4002
02:12:05,300 --> 02:12:07,433
BRITISH HISTORY AS SOME OF THE

4003
02:12:07,433 --> 02:12:08,700
WITNESSES HAVE EMPHASIZED.

4004
02:12:08,700 --> 02:12:12,400
I THINK PERSONALLY THAT IT IS

4005
02:12:12,400 --> 02:12:16,000
WISE OF THE COMMITTEE AND ALSO

4006
02:12:16,000 --> 02:12:17,900
NOT SURPRISING, BUT ALSO WISE

4007
02:12:17,900 --> 02:12:19,200
THAT THE WITNESSES FOCUS VERY

4008
02:12:19,200 --> 02:12:22,066
MUCH ON THE ABUSE OF POWER AS

4009
02:12:22,066 --> 02:12:23,433
OPPOSED TO PERHAPS GETTING

4010
02:12:23,433 --> 02:12:26,233
INTO THE PARTICULARS OF

4011
02:12:26,233 --> 02:12:26,566
BRIBERY.

4012
02:12:26,566 --> 02:12:30,033
>> WELL, THEY HAVE BEEN.

4013
02:12:30,033 --> 02:12:30,933
SOL WEISENBERG, BRIBERY HAS

4014
02:12:30,933 --> 02:12:33,133
COME UP, AND WE HEAR

4015
02:12:33,133 --> 02:12:34,433
OBSTRUCTION OF CONGRESS,

4016
02:12:34,433 --> 02:12:35,033
OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE.

4017
02:12:35,033 --> 02:12:36,566
WHAT IS IT ABOUT ABUSE OF

4018
02:12:36,566 --> 02:12:38,066
POWER, ABUSE OF THE OFFICE

4019
02:12:38,066 --> 02:12:39,600
THAT MAY BE CENTRAL TO THIS.

4020
02:12:39,600 --> 02:12:40,733
HOW DUE SEE THAT?

4021
02:12:40,733 --> 02:12:44,500
>> IF YOU GET TOO MUCH INTO

4022
02:12:44,500 --> 02:12:45,766
BRIBERY, FOR EXAMPLE, THEN YOU

4023
02:12:45,766 --> 02:12:47,966
GET INTO VERY PARTICULAR

4024
02:12:47,966 --> 02:12:52,200
QUESTIONS LIKE ONE OF THE

4025
02:12:52,200 --> 02:12:52,733
PROFESSORS GOT INTO.

4026
02:12:52,733 --> 02:12:54,833
IS THIS THE CRIME OF BRIBERY.

4027
02:12:54,833 --> 02:12:56,700
DO WE LOOK AT THE CODE NOW,

4028
02:12:56,700 --> 02:12:59,366
AND LOOK AT THE TIME OF THE

4029
02:12:59,366 --> 02:12:59,733
FOUNDING?

4030
02:12:59,733 --> 02:13:00,966
IF YOU CAN GROUP IS UNDER

4031
02:13:00,966 --> 02:13:03,200
ABUSE OF POWER, WHICH CLEARLY

4032
02:13:03,200 --> 02:13:04,900
THE FRAMERS WERE CONCERNED

4033
02:13:04,900 --> 02:13:07,466
ABOUT, IT MAKES IT A LOT

4034
02:13:07,466 --> 02:13:10,300
CLEANER, AND YOU -- YOU GET TO

4035
02:13:10,300 --> 02:13:11,300
IGNORE, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT IN

4036
02:13:11,300 --> 02:13:13,900
THE THREE CASES THAT WE HAVE

4037
02:13:13,900 --> 02:13:15,733
HISTORICALLY OF PRESIDENTS

4038
02:13:15,733 --> 02:13:18,800
BEING IMPEACHED OR ABOUT TO BE

4039
02:13:18,800 --> 02:13:22,266
IMPEACHED, JOHNSON, NIXON, AND

4040
02:13:22,266 --> 02:13:24,566
CLINTON, EVEN THOUGH THEY

4041
02:13:24,566 --> 02:13:25,600
WEREN'T NECESSARILY-AUTO

4042
02:13:25,600 --> 02:13:26,466
ALLEGATIONS WEREN'T

4043
02:13:26,466 --> 02:13:28,633
NECESSARILY FRAMED AS CRIMES,

4044
02:13:28,633 --> 02:13:30,466
CONDUCT WAS ALLEGED AGAINST

4045
02:13:30,466 --> 02:13:32,366
EACH ONE OF THEM WHICH WAS

4046
02:13:32,366 --> 02:13:34,900
CLEARLY WITHOUT QUESTION

4047
02:13:34,900 --> 02:13:35,266
CRIMINAL.

4048
02:13:35,266 --> 02:13:37,100
YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE

4049
02:13:37,100 --> 02:13:37,466
THAT HERE.

4050
02:13:37,466 --> 02:13:39,400
>> WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU DON'T

4051
02:13:39,400 --> 02:13:40,100
HAVE THAT HERE?

4052
02:13:40,100 --> 02:13:41,566
>> I DON'T THINK IT'S CLEAR

4053
02:13:41,566 --> 02:13:42,866
THAT THERE WAS A CRIME

4054
02:13:42,866 --> 02:13:45,000
COMMITTED ON THE RECORD THAT

4055
02:13:45,000 --> 02:13:45,333
WE HAVE.

4056
02:13:45,333 --> 02:13:48,400
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS

4057
02:13:48,400 --> 02:13:50,700
NOT DEALT WITH, AND PARTLY

4058
02:13:50,700 --> 02:13:53,700
BECAUSE THEY INTENTIONALLY

4059
02:13:53,700 --> 02:13:55,500
DIDN'T WANT JONATHAN TURLEY TO

4060
02:13:55,500 --> 02:13:55,900
TALK NOW --

4061
02:13:55,900 --> 02:13:58,400
>> THE LAW PROFESSOR INVITED

4062
02:13:58,400 --> 02:13:59,300
BY THE REPUBLICANS?

4063
02:13:59,300 --> 02:14:01,266
>> I THOUGHT IT WAS SILLY NOT

4064
02:14:01,266 --> 02:14:03,166
TO INCLUDE HIM IN A FEW

4065
02:14:03,166 --> 02:14:03,533
QUESTIONS.

4066
02:14:03,533 --> 02:14:05,400
THREE WERE CHOSEN BY THE

4067
02:14:05,400 --> 02:14:06,966
DEMOCRATS AND ONE BY THE

4068
02:14:06,966 --> 02:14:07,366
REPUBLICANS.

4069
02:14:07,366 --> 02:14:14,733
I DIDN'T THINK NORMAN'S

4070
02:14:14,733 --> 02:14:16,266
QUESTIONS WERE PRESENTED

4071
02:14:16,266 --> 02:14:17,800
FAIRLY.

4072
02:14:17,800 --> 02:14:19,200
HERE'S THE QUESTION.

4073
02:14:19,200 --> 02:14:21,133
NOT WHETHER WHAT THE PRESIDENT

4074
02:14:21,133 --> 02:14:22,433
DID IS IN THE CATEGORY OF THE

4075
02:14:22,433 --> 02:14:24,666
KIND OF THINGS THE FRAMERS

4076
02:14:24,666 --> 02:14:26,233
THOUGHT COULD BE IMPEACHABLE,

4077
02:14:26,233 --> 02:14:28,166
BUT WHETHER ON THIS RECORD,

4078
02:14:28,166 --> 02:14:30,633
WHAT THE PRESIDENT DID IN THIS

4079
02:14:30,633 --> 02:14:32,566
ONE INSTANCE, EVEN IF YOU

4080
02:14:32,566 --> 02:14:34,300
ASSUME THE RECORD IS CLEAR ON

4081
02:14:34,300 --> 02:14:36,266
THIS IS THIS ALONE ENOUGH TO

4082
02:14:36,266 --> 02:14:37,566
IMPEACH AND REMOVE HIM?

4083
02:14:37,566 --> 02:14:40,566
THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO HEAR

4084
02:14:40,566 --> 02:14:40,866
ABOUT.

4085
02:14:40,866 --> 02:14:44,233
>> AND BACK TO YOU, FRANK

4086
02:14:44,233 --> 02:14:45,500
BOWMAN, QUICKLY, THE OTHER

4087
02:14:45,500 --> 02:14:47,400
THREE LAW PROFESSORS WERE

4088
02:14:47,400 --> 02:14:48,800
EMPHATIC THAT IT IS ENOUGH TO

4089
02:14:48,800 --> 02:14:56,933
FIND THE PRESIDENT GUILTY

4090
02:14:56,933 --> 02:14:59,333
>> THE REASON I AGREE IS THAT

4091
02:14:59,333 --> 02:15:02,500
THE THING THAT THEY SAID

4092
02:15:02,500 --> 02:15:04,666
MULTIPLE TIMES, THE THING THE

4093
02:15:04,666 --> 02:15:05,800
FRAMERS AND THE PARLIAMENT

4094
02:15:05,800 --> 02:15:08,166
WERE CONCERNED ABOUT WHEN IT

4095
02:15:08,166 --> 02:15:09,933
INVENTED THE IDEA OF

4096
02:15:09,933 --> 02:15:14,100
IMPEACHMENT IN 1776 WAS THE

4097
02:15:14,100 --> 02:15:15,466
NOTION THAT PARTICULARLY HIGH

4098
02:15:15,466 --> 02:15:18,733
OFFICIALS, NOW THE PRESIDENT

4099
02:15:18,733 --> 02:15:19,833
WOULD MISUSE THEIR AUTHORITY

4100
02:15:19,833 --> 02:15:36,700
IN WAYS THAT BENEFITTED THEM

4101
02:15:36,700 --> 02:15:39,433
PRESIDENT TRUMP EXERTED POWERS

4102
02:15:39,433 --> 02:15:42,633
TO BENEFIT HIM, BUT

4103
02:15:42,633 --> 02:15:44,700
TREMENDOUSLY DAMAGING TO

4104
02:15:44,700 --> 02:15:46,166
FOREIGN POLICY INTERESTS.

4105
02:15:46,166 --> 02:15:47,366
AND THE FRAMERS AND THE

4106
02:15:47,366 --> 02:15:48,433
PARLIAMENT WERE CONCERNED

4107
02:15:48,433 --> 02:15:50,700
ABOUT THAT WHEN THEY CREATED

4108
02:15:50,700 --> 02:15:58,800
IMPEACHMENT POWER.

4109
02:15:58,800 --> 02:16:00,166
THEIR CONDUCT ESSENTIALLY

4110
02:16:00,166 --> 02:16:01,700
UNDERCUT THE CRITICAL FOREIGN

4111
02:16:01,700 --> 02:16:02,766
POLICY INTERESTS OF THE

4112
02:16:02,766 --> 02:16:04,566
COUNTRY WITH WHICH THEY WERE

4113
02:16:04,566 --> 02:16:05,033
SWORN TO SERVE.

4114
02:16:05,033 --> 02:16:07,400
>> AND THAT QUESTION, AS YOU

4115
02:16:07,400 --> 02:16:08,766
SUGGEST HAS COME UP TIME AND

4116
02:16:08,766 --> 02:16:10,933
AGAIN, AND I DO WANT TO COME

4117
02:16:10,933 --> 02:16:11,400
BACK AT THAT.

4118
02:16:11,400 --> 02:16:13,633
RIGHT NOW I WANT TO GO TO

4119
02:16:13,633 --> 02:16:14,633
LISA DESIARDINS WHO HAS BEEN

4120
02:16:14,633 --> 02:16:18,733
IN THE HEARING ROOM AT THE

4121
02:16:18,733 --> 02:16:19,466
CAPITAL.

4122
02:16:19,466 --> 02:16:21,433
>> AND YAMICHE ALCINDOR.

4123
02:16:21,433 --> 02:16:22,766
LISA, ARE REPUBLICANS CLEARLY

4124
02:16:22,766 --> 02:16:24,066
IN THE MINORITY HERE.

4125
02:16:24,066 --> 02:16:26,266
17 OF THEM, AND 24 DEMOCRATS.

4126
02:16:26,266 --> 02:16:28,100
THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO CONTROL

4127
02:16:28,100 --> 02:16:29,533
THESE PROCEEDINGS, BUT THEY'VE

4128
02:16:29,533 --> 02:16:31,833
TRIED ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS.

4129
02:16:31,833 --> 02:16:32,733
>> THAT'S CORRECT.

4130
02:16:32,733 --> 02:16:37,733
WE HAVE THREE ROLL CALL VOTES,

4131
02:16:37,733 --> 02:16:40,166
AND THERE WILL BE MORE.

4132
02:16:40,166 --> 02:16:41,566
ADAM SCHIFF BE CALLED TO

4133
02:16:41,566 --> 02:16:41,900
TESTIFY.

4134
02:16:41,900 --> 02:16:43,433
AND THEY ASKED FOR AN ONE WEEK

4135
02:16:43,433 --> 02:16:45,000
DELAY IN THIS HEARING, AND

4136
02:16:45,000 --> 02:16:47,433
THEN THEY ASKED THAT THE

4137
02:16:47,433 --> 02:16:49,833
WHISTLEBLOWER BE SUBPOENAED TO

4138
02:16:49,833 --> 02:16:50,166
TESTIFY.

4139
02:16:50,166 --> 02:16:51,433
THE COMPLAINT THAT STARTED

4140
02:16:51,433 --> 02:16:55,433
THIS INVESTIGATION INTO

4141
02:16:55,433 --> 02:16:57,533
UKRAINE.

4142
02:16:57,533 --> 02:16:59,433
THE DEMOCRATS TABLED ALL OF

4143
02:16:59,433 --> 02:16:59,866
THOSE MOTIONS.

4144
02:16:59,866 --> 02:17:01,500
THIS IS NOT JUST REPUBLICANS

4145
02:17:01,500 --> 02:17:02,366
EXPRESSING OBJECTIONS, AND

4146
02:17:02,366 --> 02:17:04,466
ALSO WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE

4147
02:17:04,466 --> 02:17:04,800
HAPPEN.

4148
02:17:04,800 --> 02:17:07,466
IT'S A TACTIC TO ADD TIME,

4149
02:17:07,466 --> 02:17:08,733
FRANKLY, AND TO GO OFF THE

4150
02:17:08,733 --> 02:17:10,733
WORKS OF THIS HEARING THAT

4151
02:17:10,733 --> 02:17:12,466
THEY OBJECT TO IN GENERAL.

4152
02:17:12,466 --> 02:17:14,766
JUDY, I HAVE TO SAY THIS

4153
02:17:14,766 --> 02:17:16,200
HEARING FELT DIFFERENT INSIDE

4154
02:17:16,200 --> 02:17:19,100
THE ROOM THAN THE HOUSE

4155
02:17:19,100 --> 02:17:19,933
INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE

4156
02:17:19,933 --> 02:17:20,300
HEARINGS.

4157
02:17:20,300 --> 02:17:23,033
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MEMBERS,

4158
02:17:23,033 --> 02:17:24,766
THERE'S ALMOST TWICE AS MANY

4159
02:17:24,766 --> 02:17:27,366
MEMBERS AS WE SAW WITH HOUSE

4160
02:17:27,366 --> 02:17:27,800
INTELLIGENCE.

4161
02:17:27,800 --> 02:17:29,733
THEY WERE NOT ON THE ENL OF

4162
02:17:29,733 --> 02:17:30,266
THEIR SEATS.

4163
02:17:30,266 --> 02:17:32,333
THERE WAS NOTHING FOR THEM

4164
02:17:32,333 --> 02:17:33,033
UNEXPECTED IN THE TESTIMONY.

4165
02:17:33,033 --> 02:17:34,966
THIS IS ALL PRE-PLANNED.

4166
02:17:34,966 --> 02:17:38,600
IT FELT LIKE A FAIT ACCOMPLI.

4167
02:17:38,600 --> 02:17:41,066
MEMBERS WERE DOING WORK,

4168
02:17:41,066 --> 02:17:41,500
LOOKING DOWN.

4169
02:17:41,500 --> 02:17:42,333
PAYING ATTENTION, BUT NOT THE

4170
02:17:42,333 --> 02:17:43,833
GRIPPING SORT OF HEARING THAT

4171
02:17:43,833 --> 02:17:47,133
WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST WITH

4172
02:17:47,133 --> 02:17:47,666
HOUSE INTELLIGENCE.

4173
02:17:47,666 --> 02:17:50,700
>> IS IT YOUR SENSE, LISA,

4174
02:17:50,700 --> 02:17:52,400
KNOWING WHAT THE HEARING WAS

4175
02:17:52,400 --> 02:17:56,400
GOING TO BE, THAT WOULD BE

4176
02:17:56,400 --> 02:17:58,633
ASKING PROFESSORS OF LAW, WHO

4177
02:17:58,633 --> 02:17:59,633
KNOW CONSTITUTIONAL HISTORY

4178
02:17:59,633 --> 02:18:01,233
AND LOOK AT THE ISSUE OF

4179
02:18:01,233 --> 02:18:02,766
IMPEACHMENT, DO YOU GET THE

4180
02:18:02,766 --> 02:18:04,366
SENSE THAT DEMOCRATS FEEL, AND

4181
02:18:04,366 --> 02:18:05,633
I REALIZE WE'VE ONLY HEARD

4182
02:18:05,633 --> 02:18:07,500
FROM THE CHAIRMAN, JERRY

4183
02:18:07,500 --> 02:18:09,166
NADLER BRIEFLY, AND THE

4184
02:18:09,166 --> 02:18:12,500
COUNSEL THEY SELECTED, NORM

4185
02:18:12,500 --> 02:18:14,033
EISEN, DO YOU GET THE SENSE

4186
02:18:14,033 --> 02:18:15,400
THEY'RE GETTING WHAT THEY WANT

4187
02:18:15,400 --> 02:18:17,366
FROM THE WITNESSS?

4188
02:18:17,366 --> 02:18:17,800
>> ABSOLUTELY.

4189
02:18:17,800 --> 02:18:19,700
I THAPTED TO MAKE A FEW CLEAR

4190
02:18:19,700 --> 02:18:21,700
POINTS AND MOST OF ALL THE

4191
02:18:21,700 --> 02:18:23,466
WITNESSES TESTIFY THAT THESE

4192
02:18:23,466 --> 02:18:25,833
ARE IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES.

4193
02:18:25,833 --> 02:18:27,366
JUDY WHAT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION

4194
02:18:27,366 --> 02:18:28,700
WAS THE LAST LINE OF

4195
02:18:28,700 --> 02:18:31,133
QUESTIONING ABOUT THE

4196
02:18:31,133 --> 02:18:31,700
IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES.

4197
02:18:31,700 --> 02:18:32,466
OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE RELATED

4198
02:18:32,466 --> 02:18:34,233
TO THE MUELLER REPORT.

4199
02:18:34,233 --> 02:18:36,866
THE FIRST TWO KIND OF

4200
02:18:36,866 --> 02:18:37,933
IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES WE TALKED

4201
02:18:37,933 --> 02:18:40,233
TO WITH THE EXPERTS RELATED TO

4202
02:18:40,233 --> 02:18:40,566
UKRAINE.

4203
02:18:40,566 --> 02:18:43,233
THAT TELLS ME AS REPORTING,

4204
02:18:43,233 --> 02:18:45,666
THAT DEMOCRATS ARE STILL

4205
02:18:45,666 --> 02:18:47,133
SERIOUSLY CONSIDERING ADDING

4206
02:18:47,133 --> 02:18:48,000
ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT

4207
02:18:48,000 --> 02:18:49,366
RELATED TO THE MUELLER REPORT.

4208
02:18:49,366 --> 02:18:51,066
THIS IS THE MOST EVIDENCE

4209
02:18:51,066 --> 02:18:52,400
WE'VE SEEN OF THAT.

4210
02:18:52,400 --> 02:18:53,933
THEY GOT WHAT THEY WANTED IN

4211
02:18:53,933 --> 02:18:55,466
TERMS OF MAKING THEIR CASE.

4212
02:18:55,466 --> 02:18:57,333
I WONDER HOW IT'S PLAYING WITH

4213
02:18:57,333 --> 02:18:57,733
THE PUBLIC.

4214
02:18:57,733 --> 02:19:00,366
IT FELT LIKE A LEGAL HEARING.

4215
02:19:00,366 --> 02:19:02,566
I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'RE TRYING

4216
02:19:02,566 --> 02:19:04,833
TO CHANGE PUBLIC OPINION.

4217
02:19:04,833 --> 02:19:07,500
IT DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IT HAD THE

4218
02:19:07,500 --> 02:19:11,333
GRAPVITY AS THE INTELLIGENCE

4219
02:19:11,333 --> 02:19:11,700
HEARINGS.

4220
02:19:11,700 --> 02:19:14,266
WE'LL WAIT AND SEE WHAT THE

4221
02:19:14,266 --> 02:19:14,833
PUBLIC RESPONSE IS.

4222
02:19:14,833 --> 02:19:17,266
YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT EXPANDING

4223
02:19:17,266 --> 02:19:19,900
THE FOCUS FROM UKRAINE TO

4224
02:19:19,900 --> 02:19:21,766
RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE WITH THE

4225
02:19:21,766 --> 02:19:22,200
2016 ELECTION.

4226
02:19:22,200 --> 02:19:23,833
WE HEARD CHAIRMAN NADLER SAY

4227
02:19:23,833 --> 02:19:25,833
AT THE OUTSET, SAY THAT

4228
02:19:25,833 --> 02:19:27,366
PRESIDENT TRUMP INVITED THAT

4229
02:19:27,366 --> 02:19:29,766
INTERFERENCE, AND WENT ON TO

4230
02:19:29,766 --> 02:19:33,800
SAY THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAD

4231
02:19:33,800 --> 02:19:35,466
OBSTRUCTED CONGRESS, AND

4232
02:19:35,466 --> 02:19:37,566
OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE IN NOT

4233
02:19:37,566 --> 02:19:38,766
COOPERATING IN THAT

4234
02:19:38,766 --> 02:19:42,266
INVESTIGATION, CITING FROM THE

4235
02:19:42,266 --> 02:19:42,800
MUELLER REPORT.

4236
02:19:42,800 --> 02:19:43,666
YAMICHE ALCINDOR FOLLOWING ALL

4237
02:19:43,666 --> 02:19:45,166
OF THIS AT THE WHITE HOUSE,

4238
02:19:45,166 --> 02:19:47,366
ARE YOU GETTING ANY SORT OF

4239
02:19:47,366 --> 02:19:48,700
RESPONSE, REACTION AT THIS

4240
02:19:48,700 --> 02:19:50,733
POINT FROM FOLKS YOU'RE

4241
02:19:50,733 --> 02:19:52,000
TALKING TO THERE?

4242
02:19:52,000 --> 02:19:53,733
>> WHITE HOUSE OFFICIALS ARE

4243
02:19:53,733 --> 02:19:54,433
ESSENTIALLY SAYING THAT THIS

4244
02:19:54,433 --> 02:19:58,600
IS A SHAM, AND A CONTINUATION

4245
02:19:58,600 --> 02:20:00,600
OF DEMOCRAT KS ATTACKING THE

4246
02:20:00,600 --> 02:20:00,966
PRESIDENT.

4247
02:20:00,966 --> 02:20:02,333
THE PRESIDENT IS JUST

4248
02:20:02,333 --> 02:20:03,866
LEAVING NATO WHERE HE MET WITH

4249
02:20:03,866 --> 02:20:07,433
WORLD LEADERS AND CANCELED A

4250
02:20:07,433 --> 02:20:07,933
PRESS CONFERENCE.

4251
02:20:07,933 --> 02:20:09,533
WHAT WE HEAR FROM WHITE HOUSE

4252
02:20:09,533 --> 02:20:11,433
OFFICIALS IS ANGER AND A SENSE

4253
02:20:11,433 --> 02:20:14,700
OF FEELING LIKE THIS IS ALL

4254
02:20:14,700 --> 02:20:15,200
PARTISAN POLITICS.

4255
02:20:15,200 --> 02:20:16,400
THE OTHER THING WE'RE SEEING

4256
02:20:16,400 --> 02:20:17,233
IS REPUBLICANS ARE CARRYING

4257
02:20:17,233 --> 02:20:19,633
THE FLAG FOR THE WHITE HOUSE

4258
02:20:19,633 --> 02:20:21,200
HERE AND TRYING TO INTERRUPT

4259
02:20:21,200 --> 02:20:24,266
AT TIMES WITH POINT OF ORDERS

4260
02:20:24,266 --> 02:20:25,600
TALKING ABOUT CHAIRMAN SCHIFF

4261
02:20:25,600 --> 02:20:27,600
NEEDING TO TESTIFY, AND THE

4262
02:20:27,600 --> 02:20:28,666
WHISTLEBLOWER SHOULD BE HERE,

4263
02:20:28,666 --> 02:20:30,400
AND POINTS THE WHITE HOUSE HAS

4264
02:20:30,400 --> 02:20:32,200
BEEN MAKING FOR WEEKS.

4265
02:20:32,200 --> 02:20:33,333
EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NOT A

4266
02:20:33,333 --> 02:20:36,900
WHITE HOUSE OFFICIAL IN THE

4267
02:20:36,900 --> 02:20:38,900
ROOM, -- ALSO A COMMENT FROM

4268
02:20:38,900 --> 02:20:40,300
THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AND

4269
02:20:40,300 --> 02:20:40,866
THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN.

4270
02:20:40,866 --> 02:20:42,000
THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN IS SAYING

4271
02:20:42,000 --> 02:20:44,633
THIS IS ALL A SHAM AND THEY'RE

4272
02:20:44,633 --> 02:20:45,700
READY TO RESPOND IN REAL-TIME

4273
02:20:45,700 --> 02:20:49,433
AS PART OF A RESPECTED

4274
02:20:49,433 --> 02:20:51,866
RESPONSE TEAM USUALLY USED FOR

4275
02:20:51,866 --> 02:20:52,200
DEBATES.

4276
02:20:52,200 --> 02:20:54,300
WE SEE THE WHITE HOUSE AND THE

4277
02:20:54,300 --> 02:20:56,666
TRUMP CAMPAIGN WORKING

4278
02:20:56,666 --> 02:20:58,733
REAL-TIME TO PUT THIS DOWN.

4279
02:20:58,733 --> 02:21:00,566
EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT CHANGING

4280
02:21:00,566 --> 02:21:02,733
ANYTHING, THE PRESIDENT AND THM

4281
02:21:02,733 --> 02:21:05,000
VERY FOCUSED ON MAKING SURE

4282
02:21:05,000 --> 02:21:06,033
THAT REPUBLICANS ARE MAKING

4283
02:21:06,033 --> 02:21:07,433
THEIR POINTS TO THE AMERICAN

4284
02:21:07,433 --> 02:21:09,533
PEOPLE, AND DEMOCRATS ARE

4285
02:21:09,533 --> 02:21:11,566
ARGUING WHAT THE PRESIDENT DID

4286
02:21:11,566 --> 02:21:13,266
IS IMPEACHABLE AND ESSENTIALLY

4287
02:21:13,266 --> 02:21:15,000
SAYING IF THE PRESIDENT IS

4288
02:21:15,000 --> 02:21:17,266
ALLOWED TO DO THIS IS SETS A

4289
02:21:17,266 --> 02:21:19,366
DANGEROUS PRECEDENT FOR FUTURE

4290
02:21:19,366 --> 02:21:22,700
PRESIDENTS, AND IF IT'S NOT

4291
02:21:22,700 --> 02:21:23,366
IMPEACHABLE, WHAT IS

4292
02:21:23,366 --> 02:21:23,766
IMPEACHABLE?

4293
02:21:23,766 --> 02:21:24,933
THAT'S A CLEAR THING THE WHITE

4294
02:21:24,933 --> 02:21:25,766
HOUSE PUSHES BACK ON.

4295
02:21:25,766 --> 02:21:27,433
>> AND THE WHITE HOUSE IS

4296
02:21:27,433 --> 02:21:30,033
TAKING THIS SERIOUSLY, THEY'RE

4297
02:21:30,033 --> 02:21:30,533
PAYING ATTENTION?

4298
02:21:30,533 --> 02:21:32,700
>> THE WHITE HOUSE IS TAKING

4299
02:21:32,700 --> 02:21:34,133
THIS VERY SERIOUSLY.

4300
02:21:34,133 --> 02:21:35,433
AS PRESIDENT TRUMP'S CAMPAIGN

4301
02:21:35,433 --> 02:21:37,833
IS ALSO TAKING IN SERIOUSLY.

4302
02:21:37,833 --> 02:21:42,000
AND THE POLITICAL ARM, AND ALL

4303
02:21:42,000 --> 02:21:43,400
ABOUT SOME WAYS WHETHER

4304
02:21:43,400 --> 02:21:45,333
PRESIDENT TRUMP IS TRYING TO

4305
02:21:45,333 --> 02:21:47,866
GET PRESIDENT TRUMP TO HELP IN

4306
02:21:47,866 --> 02:21:48,400
THE ELECTION.

4307
02:21:48,400 --> 02:21:50,700
THEY'RE WORKING TO RE-ELECT

4308
02:21:50,700 --> 02:21:53,333
PRESIDENT TRUMP, AND AND I

4309
02:21:53,333 --> 02:21:57,333
WANT TO COME BACK TO YAMICHE,

4310
02:21:57,333 --> 02:22:00,900
AND WE'RE IN A BREAK, FOR WHAT

4311
02:22:00,900 --> 02:22:02,433
CHAIRMAN JERRY NADLER WOULD

4312
02:22:02,433 --> 02:22:08,000
SAY WOULD BE 10 MINUTES.

4313
02:22:08,000 --> 02:22:13,833
WE'LL SEE -- AND COME

4314
02:22:13,833 --> 02:22:17,833
>> AND THE FOUR LAW

4315
02:22:17,833 --> 02:22:18,233
PROFESSORS.

4316
02:22:18,233 --> 02:22:18,766
BACK TO THE GUESTS.

4317
02:22:18,766 --> 02:22:20,633
SOL WEISENBERG AND FRANK

4318
02:22:20,633 --> 02:22:22,400
BOWMAN, SOL WEISENBERG, TRUTH

4319
02:22:22,400 --> 02:22:25,033
OF POINT, YOU WERE SAYING A

4320
02:22:25,033 --> 02:22:26,733
MINUTE AGO, IN YOUR VIEW THE

4321
02:22:26,733 --> 02:22:30,366
EVIDENCE IS NOT THERE TO

4322
02:22:30,366 --> 02:22:31,433
CONSTITUTE ABUSE OF POWER TO

4323
02:22:31,433 --> 02:22:32,433
THE PRESIDENT'S OFFICE.

4324
02:22:32,433 --> 02:22:36,433
TO GET TO SPECIFICS, WHEN

4325
02:22:36,433 --> 02:22:37,366
DEMOCRATS AND THE LAW

4326
02:22:37,366 --> 02:22:38,933
PROFESSORS SAY THE PRESIDENT

4327
02:22:38,933 --> 02:22:41,266
IN THAT SERIES OF PHONE

4328
02:22:41,266 --> 02:22:41,866
CONVERSATIONS WITH THE

4329
02:22:41,866 --> 02:22:43,400
PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE SAID IF

4330
02:22:43,400 --> 02:22:47,400
YOU DO THESE INVESTIGATIONS

4331
02:22:47,400 --> 02:22:49,500
SUGGESTED, WE WILL THINK ABOUT

4332
02:22:49,500 --> 02:22:51,400
GIVING YOU THE AID YOU WANT,

4333
02:22:51,400 --> 02:22:53,666
AND I'M COMPRESSING A LOT OF

4334
02:22:53,666 --> 02:22:54,966
INFORMATION INTO THAT

4335
02:22:54,966 --> 02:22:55,333
SENTENCE.

4336
02:22:55,333 --> 02:22:57,600
WHY IS THAT NOT ABUSING THE

4337
02:22:57,600 --> 02:22:59,366
POWER OF THE OFFICE,

4338
02:22:59,366 --> 02:23:02,066
ATTEMPTING TO GET SOMETHING

4339
02:23:02,066 --> 02:23:04,633
PERSONAL FOR POLITICAL GAIN IN

4340
02:23:04,633 --> 02:23:07,200
RETURN FOR AN OFFICIAL ACT.

4341
02:23:07,200 --> 02:23:09,033
IT VERY WELL MAY BE ABUSE OF

4342
02:23:09,033 --> 02:23:09,400
THE POWER.

4343
02:23:09,400 --> 02:23:11,433
I THINK IT IS ABUSE OF THE

4344
02:23:11,433 --> 02:23:12,000
POWER.

4345
02:23:12,000 --> 02:23:15,933
THE QUESTION AGAIN IS, IS THIS

4346
02:23:15,933 --> 02:23:17,633
ONE INCIDENT IN ITSELF ENOUGH

4347
02:23:17,633 --> 02:23:19,633
BASED ON THE RECORD WE HAVE

4348
02:23:19,633 --> 02:23:21,900
ALONE ENOUGH TO WARRANT

4349
02:23:21,900 --> 02:23:22,933
IMPEACHMENT AND REMOVAL.

4350
02:23:22,933 --> 02:23:24,433
I MUST SAY THE REPUBLICANS

4351
02:23:24,433 --> 02:23:26,733
HAVE A HUGE PROBLEM.

4352
02:23:26,733 --> 02:23:28,200
THE PRESIDENT WHO THEY WANT TO

4353
02:23:28,200 --> 02:23:31,166
DEFEND HAS BEEN SAYING

4354
02:23:31,166 --> 02:23:31,866
PATENTLY RIDICULOUS THINGS.

4355
02:23:31,866 --> 02:23:33,433
HE'S BEEN SAYING IT WAS A

4356
02:23:33,433 --> 02:23:33,866
PERFECT CALL.

4357
02:23:33,866 --> 02:23:35,200
IT WAS NOT A PERFECT CALL.

4358
02:23:35,200 --> 02:23:37,633
IT WAS A SLEAZY CALL.

4359
02:23:37,633 --> 02:23:39,833
HE HAS BEEN SAYING READ THE

4360
02:23:39,833 --> 02:23:40,233
TRANSCRIPT.

4361
02:23:40,233 --> 02:23:41,833
THAT'S NOT GOOD FOR HIM.

4362
02:23:41,833 --> 02:23:42,533
READING THE TRANSCRIPT SENT

4363
02:23:42,533 --> 02:23:44,200
GOOD FOR HIM AT ALL.

4364
02:23:44,200 --> 02:23:46,200
>> DO ME A FAVOR.

4365
02:23:46,200 --> 02:23:49,933
>> IT'S WORSE THAN THAT, AND

4366
02:23:49,933 --> 02:23:51,433
THEY'VE BEEN HANDICAPPED BY

4367
02:23:51,433 --> 02:23:53,200
THAT, AND THEY'VE BEEN

4368
02:23:53,200 --> 02:23:55,633
HANDICAPPED BY THE KIND OF

4369
02:23:55,633 --> 02:23:56,700
OBSTRUCTIONIST DEFENSE THEY'VE

4370
02:23:56,700 --> 02:23:57,400
BEEN PUTTING ON.

4371
02:23:57,400 --> 02:23:58,700
NOT SAYING THE PROCESS HAS

4372
02:23:58,700 --> 02:24:00,733
BEEN FAIR, BUT THAT'S A

4373
02:24:00,733 --> 02:24:02,566
PROBLEM, AND IT DOESN'T HELP

4374
02:24:02,566 --> 02:24:05,600
TO DO THESE DLAIG TACTICS.

4375
02:24:05,600 --> 02:24:06,433
>> WHY NOT?

4376
02:24:06,433 --> 02:24:08,700
>> IT'S A DLAIG FACTOR.

4377
02:24:08,700 --> 02:24:10,600
I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN

4378
02:24:10,600 --> 02:24:12,366
FOCUSING ON WHAT KIND OF

4379
02:24:12,366 --> 02:24:15,466
DEFENSE DO WE HAVE TO WHAT THE

4380
02:24:15,466 --> 02:24:17,066
PRESIDENT DID, AND NOT SAYING

4381
02:24:17,066 --> 02:24:19,300
I WANT TO CALL HUNTER BIDEN.

4382
02:24:19,300 --> 02:24:21,633
>> AND FRANK BOWMAN, THEY'VE

4383
02:24:21,633 --> 02:24:23,433
DELAYED BY ASKING FOR CHAIRMAN

4384
02:24:23,433 --> 02:24:25,766
ADAM SCHIFF, CHAIRMAN OF THE

4385
02:24:25,766 --> 02:24:26,466
HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE

4386
02:24:26,466 --> 02:24:29,100
TO BE A WITNESS, THAT WAS

4387
02:24:29,100 --> 02:24:29,500
VOTED DOWN.

4388
02:24:29,500 --> 02:24:33,466
AND CALLING FOR THE

4389
02:24:33,466 --> 02:24:34,933
WHISTLEBLOWER TO BE CALLED AS

4390
02:24:34,933 --> 02:24:35,433
A WITNESS.

4391
02:24:35,433 --> 02:24:36,200
THAT WAS TABLED.

4392
02:24:36,200 --> 02:24:37,333
AND THEN ASKED FOR THE ENTIRE

4393
02:24:37,333 --> 02:24:39,433
PROCEEDING TO BE DELAYED.

4394
02:24:39,433 --> 02:24:41,633
WHAT WOULD THE REPUBLICAN

4395
02:24:41,633 --> 02:24:42,033
DEFENSE BE?

4396
02:24:42,033 --> 02:24:43,433
WHAT WOULD THEIR LINE OF

4397
02:24:43,433 --> 02:24:47,100
QUESTIONING BE IF THEY WERE

4398
02:24:47,100 --> 02:24:48,166
GOING FORWARD WITH THE NEXT

4399
02:24:48,166 --> 02:24:50,066
SET OF QUESTIONS FROM THEIR

4400
02:24:50,066 --> 02:24:50,400
COUNSEL.

4401
02:24:50,400 --> 02:24:52,666
WHAT WOULD THEIR ARGUMENT BE.

4402
02:24:52,666 --> 02:24:54,333
WHAT WOULD THE LINE OF

4403
02:24:54,333 --> 02:24:55,666
QUESTIONS BE TO UNDERMINE WHAT

4404
02:24:55,666 --> 02:24:56,966
WE'RE HEARING FROM THE

4405
02:24:56,966 --> 02:24:58,733
PROFESSORS, THREE OF THE FOUR?

4406
02:24:58,733 --> 02:25:00,966
>> THAT'S A DARN GOOD

4407
02:25:00,966 --> 02:25:01,333
QUESTION.

4408
02:25:01,333 --> 02:25:02,333
I'VE TRIED TO PUT MYSELF IN

4409
02:25:02,333 --> 02:25:04,533
THE SHOES OF SOMEONE TASKED

4410
02:25:04,533 --> 02:25:07,466
WITH DEFENDING PRESIDENT

4411
02:25:07,466 --> 02:25:07,800
TRUMP.

4412
02:25:07,800 --> 02:25:10,666
I THINK WHAT I MIGHT TRY TO

4413
02:25:10,666 --> 02:25:14,766
SUGGEST IS THAT REGARDLESS OF

4414
02:25:14,766 --> 02:25:16,166
HOW BAD, UNFORTUNATE WHATEVER

4415
02:25:16,166 --> 02:25:19,433
HE DID WITH RESPECT TO UKRAINE

4416
02:25:19,433 --> 02:25:22,466
IS, IT'S AN ISOLATED EVENT,

4417
02:25:22,466 --> 02:25:25,166
AND WE DEPLORE WHAT HE DID,

4418
02:25:25,166 --> 02:25:26,733
BAD JUDGMENT, BUT NOT

4419
02:25:26,733 --> 02:25:29,333
SUFFICIENT TO IMPEACH HIM ON

4420
02:25:29,333 --> 02:25:29,733
THAT ALONE.

4421
02:25:29,733 --> 02:25:30,433
THE PROBLEM, OF COURSE, IS

4422
02:25:30,433 --> 02:25:31,733
THAT IT'S NOT -- FOR EXAMPLE,

4423
02:25:31,733 --> 02:25:34,833
YOU TALKED ABOUT THE CALL, AND

4424
02:25:34,833 --> 02:25:35,433
TALKED ABOUT THE CALL.

4425
02:25:35,433 --> 02:25:37,866
BUT OF COURSE THE CALL WAS, AS

4426
02:25:37,866 --> 02:25:39,833
WE ARE LEARNING JUST ONE

4427
02:25:39,833 --> 02:25:44,000
INCIDENT IN A LONG SCHEME THAT

4428
02:25:44,000 --> 02:25:46,466
WENT FOR MONTHS WHERE IT HAS

4429
02:25:46,466 --> 02:25:47,966
BECOME ABSOLUTELY CLEAR THAT

4430
02:25:47,966 --> 02:25:49,733
MR. TRUMP, AND A CLOSE CIRCLE

4431
02:25:49,733 --> 02:25:53,766
OF THOSE AROUND HIM

4432
02:25:53,766 --> 02:25:54,400
ESSENTIALLY HIJACKED THE

4433
02:25:54,400 --> 02:25:56,700
FOREIGN POLICY OF THE UNITED

4434
02:25:56,700 --> 02:25:57,500
SATES IN A CRITICAL AREA OF

4435
02:25:57,500 --> 02:26:02,400
THE WORLD IN ORDER TO OBTAIN

4436
02:26:02,400 --> 02:26:03,333
PERSONAL POLITICAL BENEFIT.

4437
02:26:03,333 --> 02:26:04,366
THAT THEREFORE MAKES IT REALLY

4438
02:26:04,366 --> 02:26:06,533
HARD TO SAY THAT EVEN THAT ONE

4439
02:26:06,533 --> 02:26:08,766
THING IS NOT ENOUGH.

4440
02:26:08,766 --> 02:26:10,066
THAT'S A PROBLEM.

4441
02:26:10,066 --> 02:26:11,466
WHAT I DO THINK YOU'RE GOING

4442
02:26:11,466 --> 02:26:13,766
TO HEAR FROM REPUBLICANS S

4443
02:26:13,766 --> 02:26:16,000
LARGELY A LOT OF QUESTIONS

4444
02:26:16,000 --> 02:26:18,633
DESIGNED TO THROW DOUBT ON

4445
02:26:18,633 --> 02:26:20,600
WHAT -- ON FACTS THAT

4446
02:26:20,600 --> 02:26:22,366
ESSENTIALLY THE DEMOCRATS ARE

4447
02:26:22,366 --> 02:26:23,466
ASSUMING TO HAVE BEEN PROVEN,

4448
02:26:23,466 --> 02:26:25,200
AND OF COURSE, WE'RE CERTAINLY

4449
02:26:25,200 --> 02:26:26,533
GOING TO HEAR THE CLAIM THAT

4450
02:26:26,533 --> 02:26:28,266
ALL OF THIS RESTS ON HEARSAY

4451
02:26:28,266 --> 02:26:31,166
WHICH I CAN TELL YOU AS A

4452
02:26:31,166 --> 02:26:32,733
TRIAL LAWYER, AND PROFESSOR OF

4453
02:26:32,733 --> 02:26:35,100
EVIDENCE IS UTTER NONSENSE.

4454
02:26:35,100 --> 02:26:38,266
MOST OF THE WITNESSES ARE WHAT

4455
02:26:38,266 --> 02:26:40,466
WE CALL PRECIPIENT WITNESSES

4456
02:26:40,466 --> 02:26:41,166
WHO PERCEIVE THINGS.

4457
02:26:41,166 --> 02:26:42,100
WHAT THEY'RE REALLY GOING TO

4458
02:26:42,100 --> 02:26:44,733
TRY AND SHOW WITH THAT IS

4459
02:26:44,733 --> 02:26:47,433
HEARSAY LINE, IS THAT SOMEHOW

4460
02:26:47,433 --> 02:26:50,033
OR OTHER, ALL THE TRAILS

4461
02:26:50,033 --> 02:26:51,333
AREN'T QUITE CONNECTED ALL THE

4462
02:26:51,333 --> 02:26:53,733
WAY BACK TO TRUMP.

4463
02:26:53,733 --> 02:26:56,400
THAT WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE A

4464
02:26:56,400 --> 02:26:57,466
RECORDING OF DONALD TRUMP

4465
02:26:57,466 --> 02:26:59,433
SAYING I WANT YOU TO GO COMMIT

4466
02:26:59,433 --> 02:27:01,966
BRIBERY WITH THE PRESIDENT OF

4467
02:27:01,966 --> 02:27:02,300
UKRAINE.

4468
02:27:02,300 --> 02:27:04,133
THEN, OF COURSE, IN NO CASE OR

4469
02:27:04,133 --> 02:27:06,100
VERY FEW CASES WHETHER IT'S AN

4470
02:27:06,100 --> 02:27:07,400
IMPEACHMENT CASE OR A CRIMINAL

4471
02:27:07,400 --> 02:27:09,400
CASE DO WE HAVE THAT

4472
02:27:09,400 --> 02:27:11,466
EXTRAORDINARY CLEAR ADMISSION

4473
02:27:11,466 --> 02:27:11,833
OF GUILT.

4474
02:27:11,833 --> 02:27:14,433
WHAT WE HAVE HERE AS WE HAVE

4475
02:27:14,433 --> 02:27:17,066
IN MOST OTHER CASES, CIVIL OR

4476
02:27:17,066 --> 02:27:18,866
CRIMINAL IS A WHOLE LOT OF

4477
02:27:18,866 --> 02:27:21,900
EVIDENCE WHICH PROVES DIRECTLY

4478
02:27:21,900 --> 02:27:22,633
AND CIRCUMSTANTIALLY THERE WAS

4479
02:27:22,633 --> 02:27:24,533
A SCHEME HERE, AND PRESIDENT

4480
02:27:24,533 --> 02:27:26,066
TRUMP WAS AT THE CENTER OF IT.

4481
02:27:26,066 --> 02:27:27,833
AND THE REPUBLICANS ARE GOING

4482
02:27:27,833 --> 02:27:30,233
TO THROW DUST AND SAND IN THE

4483
02:27:30,233 --> 02:27:32,233
AIR TO OBSCURE THAT POINT.

4484
02:27:32,233 --> 02:27:35,833
THE FINAL RESPONSE TO THE IT'S

4485
02:27:35,833 --> 02:27:37,766
HEARSAY IS, OF COURSE, THAT TO

4486
02:27:37,766 --> 02:27:39,766
THE EXTENT THAT THERE IS ANY

4487
02:27:39,766 --> 02:27:41,766
LINK MISSING BETWEEN PEOPLE

4488
02:27:41,766 --> 02:27:45,666
LIKE SONDLAND OR AMBASSADORS

4489
02:27:45,666 --> 02:27:47,900
AND TRUMP IS THE LINK WITH

4490
02:27:47,900 --> 02:27:50,300
MICK MULVANEY AND THE OTHER

4491
02:27:50,300 --> 02:27:51,800
PEOPLE ADHERING TO TRUMP'S

4492
02:27:51,800 --> 02:27:53,833
ORDERS NOT TO SHOW.

4493
02:27:53,833 --> 02:27:54,466
>> NOT TO TESTIFY.

4494
02:27:54,466 --> 02:27:57,200
WE KEEP COMING BACK TO THERE,

4495
02:27:57,200 --> 02:27:57,666
SOL WEISENBERG.

4496
02:27:57,666 --> 02:27:58,733
THE PEOPLE WHO COULD FILL IN

4497
02:27:58,733 --> 02:28:01,100
THE BLANKS, SO TO SPEAK, WHO

4498
02:28:01,100 --> 02:28:02,800
COULD MAKE THAT DIRECT

4499
02:28:02,800 --> 02:28:04,166
CONNECTION TO THE EXTENT

4500
02:28:04,166 --> 02:28:05,700
THAT'S NEEDED BETWEEN WHAT

4501
02:28:05,700 --> 02:28:08,333
HAPPENED, AND THE PRESIDENT

4502
02:28:08,333 --> 02:28:09,633
HIMSELF, THOSE INDIVIDUALS

4503
02:28:09,633 --> 02:28:11,400
WON'T BE PERMITTED TO TESTIFY,

4504
02:28:11,400 --> 02:28:14,066
AT LEAST NOT YET.

4505
02:28:14,066 --> 02:28:17,600
NOT UNLESS THEY GET A COURT

4506
02:28:17,600 --> 02:28:17,933
RULING.

4507
02:28:17,933 --> 02:28:19,466
EVEN SOME OF THEM MIGHT WANT

4508
02:28:19,466 --> 02:28:21,533
TO TESTIFY, YOU'RE NOW

4509
02:28:21,533 --> 02:28:22,366
FOCUSING ON SOMETHING THAT

4510
02:28:22,366 --> 02:28:24,500
HASN'T BEEN COMMENTED ON

4511
02:28:24,500 --> 02:28:24,833
ENOUGH.

4512
02:28:24,833 --> 02:28:26,533
WE'VE BEEN GIVEN INCREDIBLE

4513
02:28:26,533 --> 02:28:27,866
POWER TO THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH

4514
02:28:27,866 --> 02:28:30,333
OVER THE LAST 200 YEARS AND TO

4515
02:28:30,333 --> 02:28:32,033
THE PRESIDENT, AND THE

4516
02:28:32,033 --> 02:28:33,766
PRESIDENT THINKING HE HAS ALL

4517
02:28:33,766 --> 02:28:36,933
KINDS OF PRIVILEGES, AND

4518
02:28:36,933 --> 02:28:39,466
NORMALLY, IMPLICATION OF THOSE

4519
02:28:39,466 --> 02:28:40,600
PRIVILEGES BOTTLES THINGS UP,

4520
02:28:40,600 --> 02:28:42,566
IT SLOWS DOWN CRIMINAL

4521
02:28:42,566 --> 02:28:46,500
INVESTIGATIONS, IT SLOWS DOWN

4522
02:28:46,500 --> 02:28:47,200
CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATIONS.

4523
02:28:47,200 --> 02:28:49,300
HERE THE DEMOCRATS HAVE DONE

4524
02:28:49,300 --> 02:28:49,866
SOMETHING INTELLIGENT.

4525
02:28:49,866 --> 02:28:51,133
THEY JUST SAID WE'RE DOING

4526
02:28:51,133 --> 02:28:53,133
IMPEACHMENT NOW, AND GUESS

4527
02:28:53,133 --> 02:28:53,433
WHAT.

4528
02:28:53,433 --> 02:28:55,066
YOU FOLKS DO WHAT YOU WANT.

4529
02:28:55,066 --> 02:28:56,733
CLAIM ANY PRIVILEGE YOU WANT,

4530
02:28:56,733 --> 02:28:59,033
IF YOU DON'T COME TESTIFY

4531
02:28:59,033 --> 02:29:01,833
WE'RE GOING TO HOLD IT AGAINST

4532
02:29:01,833 --> 02:29:02,100
YOU.

4533
02:29:02,100 --> 02:29:02,666
WE'RE MOVING FORWARD.

4534
02:29:02,666 --> 02:29:03,533
THAT'S ONE THING THE PRESIDENT

4535
02:29:03,533 --> 02:29:06,433
CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT.

4536
02:29:06,433 --> 02:29:07,733
AS THE PROFESSORS SAID THE

4537
02:29:07,733 --> 02:29:08,766
SOLE IMPEACHMENT POWER IS IN

4538
02:29:08,766 --> 02:29:10,500
THE HOUSE, AND THEY'RE MOVING

4539
02:29:10,500 --> 02:29:12,533
FORWARD AND IT'S THEIR

4540
02:29:12,533 --> 02:29:13,166
RESPONSIBILITY AND RULES.

4541
02:29:13,166 --> 02:29:15,800
SO IT'S AN INTERESTING EPISODE

4542
02:29:15,800 --> 02:29:19,566
IN THE CHECKS AND BALANCES.

4543
02:29:19,566 --> 02:29:23,466
>> AND WHAT ABOUT -- BACK TO

4544
02:29:23,466 --> 02:29:25,600
YOU FRANK BOWMAN -- AT THE

4545
02:29:25,600 --> 02:29:27,400
OUTSET OF THE HEARING AFTER WE

4546
02:29:27,400 --> 02:29:28,966
HEARD FROM JERRY NADLER, AND

4547
02:29:28,966 --> 02:29:30,700
I'M LOOKING TO SEE IF THE

4548
02:29:30,700 --> 02:29:32,433
COMMITTEE IS ABOUT TO

4549
02:29:32,433 --> 02:29:34,133
RECONVENE, AND IT LOOKS LIKE

4550
02:29:34,133 --> 02:29:34,433
IT IS.

4551
02:29:34,433 --> 02:29:35,966
I'LL COME BACK TO YOU LATER

4552
02:29:35,966 --> 02:29:37,700
ON, BUT I WAS GOING TO ASK

4553
02:29:37,700 --> 02:29:39,466
ABOUT ONE OF THE APPROACHES

4554
02:29:39,466 --> 02:29:40,600
USED BY THE REPUBLICANS.

4555
02:29:40,600 --> 02:29:42,800
I BELIEVE WE'RE NOW GOING TO

4556
02:29:42,800 --> 02:29:44,533
HEAR CHAIRMAN JERRY NADLER

4557
02:29:44,533 --> 02:29:46,500
ABOUT TO RECONVENE THE

4558
02:29:46,500 --> 02:29:46,866
COMMITTEE.

4559
02:29:46,866 --> 02:29:48,966
WE'RE HEAR TO HEAR HIM TURN

4560
02:29:48,966 --> 02:30:04,633
THE QUESTION ORDER NOW.

4561
02:30:04,633 --> 02:30:07,433
>> COUNCIL HAVE 45 MINUTES TO

4562
02:30:07,433 --> 02:30:09,000
QUESTION THE WITNESSES.

4563
02:30:09,000 --> 02:30:09,466
RANKING MEMBER.

4564
02:30:09,466 --> 02:30:10,300
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

4565
02:30:10,300 --> 02:30:11,400
BEFORE I BEGIN ON THE

4566
02:30:11,400 --> 02:30:11,800
QUESTIONING.

4567
02:30:11,800 --> 02:30:13,633
I WANT TO REVISIT A COMMENT

4568
02:30:13,633 --> 02:30:16,366
MADE EARLIER BY MR. YOU MR.

4569
02:30:16,366 --> 02:30:16,733
CHAIRMAN.

4570
02:30:16,733 --> 02:30:17,766
OUR DEMANLDS FOR A HEARING

4571
02:30:17,766 --> 02:30:18,033
DAY.

4572
02:30:18,033 --> 02:30:20,700
AND YOU STATED YOU WOULD RULE

4573
02:30:20,700 --> 02:30:22,133
ON IT LATER.

4574
02:30:22,133 --> 02:30:23,700
THE RULES DO NOT PERMIT A

4575
02:30:23,700 --> 02:30:25,666
VOTE, AND YOU CANNOT SHUT IT

4576
02:30:25,666 --> 02:30:27,400
DOWN, AND ACCORDING TO YOUR

4577
02:30:27,400 --> 02:30:29,666
WORDS THE MINORITY IS ENTITLED

4578
02:30:29,666 --> 02:30:33,866
TO HEARINGS, AND IT'S POWER TO

4579
02:30:33,866 --> 02:30:34,433
EXCLUDE OTHER VIEWS.

4580
02:30:34,433 --> 02:30:36,033
IT'S NOT THE CHAIRMAN'S VIEW

4581
02:30:36,033 --> 02:30:38,266
TO DETERMINE IF WE DESERVE A

4582
02:30:38,266 --> 02:30:40,033
HEARING OR WHETHER PRIOR

4583
02:30:40,033 --> 02:30:41,366
HEARINGS WERE SUFFICIENT OR

4584
02:30:41,366 --> 02:30:43,400
WHETHER WHAT WE SAY OR THINK

4585
02:30:43,400 --> 02:30:43,833
IS ACCEPTABLE.

4586
02:30:43,833 --> 02:30:45,766
IT IS CERTAINLY NOT THE

4587
02:30:45,766 --> 02:30:46,666
CHAIRMAN'S RIGHT TO INTERFERE

4588
02:30:46,666 --> 02:30:48,400
WITH OUR RIGHT TO CONDUCT A

4589
02:30:48,400 --> 02:30:51,133
HEARING, AND I JUST COMMEND

4590
02:30:51,133 --> 02:30:52,166
MR. SENSENBRENNER FOR BRINGING

4591
02:30:52,166 --> 02:30:54,533
THAT FORWARD, AND LOOK FORWARD

4592
02:30:54,533 --> 02:30:58,433
TO YOU GETTING THAT SCHEDULED

4593
02:30:58,433 --> 02:30:59,033
EXPEDITIOUSLY.

4594
02:30:59,033 --> 02:30:59,400
MOVING ON.

4595
02:30:59,400 --> 02:31:02,066
NOW WE HIT PHASE TWO.

4596
02:31:02,066 --> 02:31:03,400
YOU'VE HAD ONE SIDE, AND I'LL

4597
02:31:03,400 --> 02:31:05,566
HAVE TO SAY IT WAS ELOQUENTLY

4598
02:31:05,566 --> 02:31:07,366
ARGUED BY THE COUNSEL AND BY

4599
02:31:07,366 --> 02:31:08,666
THE WITNESSES INVOLVED, BUT

4600
02:31:08,666 --> 02:31:09,966
THERE'S ALWAYS A PHASE TWO.

4601
02:31:09,966 --> 02:31:12,566
A PHASE TWO IS WHAT'S

4602
02:31:12,566 --> 02:31:13,066
PROBLEMATIC HERE.

4603
02:31:13,066 --> 02:31:14,333
AS I SAID IN OPENING

4604
02:31:14,333 --> 02:31:15,433
STATEMENT, THIS IS ONE THAT

4605
02:31:15,433 --> 02:31:18,366
WOULD BE FOR MANY, THE MOST

4606
02:31:18,366 --> 02:31:20,400
DISPUTED IMPEACHMENTS ON JUST

4607
02:31:20,400 --> 02:31:21,433
THE FACTS THEMSELVES.

4608
02:31:21,433 --> 02:31:22,966
WHAT WAS INTERESTING IS THAT

4609
02:31:22,966 --> 02:31:25,633
WE ACTUALLY SHOWED VIDEOS OF

4610
02:31:25,633 --> 02:31:26,000
WITNESSES.

4611
02:31:26,000 --> 02:31:27,800
IN FACT ONE OF THEM WAS AN

4612
02:31:27,800 --> 02:31:29,466
OPENING STATEMENT, I BELIEVE

4613
02:31:29,466 --> 02:31:32,600
WHICH IS THE CLOSELY THING IS

4614
02:31:32,600 --> 02:31:34,400
AN OPENING STATEMENT, BECAUSE

4615
02:31:34,400 --> 02:31:35,533
IT'S UNCHALLENGED, AND IT

4616
02:31:35,533 --> 02:31:35,900
SHOULD BE.

4617
02:31:35,900 --> 02:31:37,166
AND WE'VE HAD GREAT WITNESSES

4618
02:31:37,166 --> 02:31:38,933
HERE TO TALK ABOUT THIS, BUT

4619
02:31:38,933 --> 02:31:41,333
IT DIDN'T TELL US ABOUT KURT

4620
02:31:41,333 --> 02:31:42,666
VOLKER WHO SAID SOMETHING

4621
02:31:42,666 --> 02:31:44,866
ABOUT IT OR NOTHING ABOUT THE

4622
02:31:44,866 --> 02:31:47,933
AID HELD UP, AND MORRISON

4623
02:31:47,933 --> 02:31:49,466
CONTRADICTED THEM AND OTHER,

4624
02:31:49,466 --> 02:31:53,333
AND THE MAJORITY IS NOT HERE

4625
02:31:53,333 --> 02:31:55,933
TO GIVE EXCULPATORY EVIDENCE.

4626
02:31:55,933 --> 02:31:57,700
AND THE SCHIFF REPORT DOESN'T

4627
02:31:57,700 --> 02:31:59,866
GIVE THE EVIDENCE, AND

4628
02:31:59,866 --> 02:32:03,900
EVIDENCE IS HELD BY ADAM

4629
02:32:03,900 --> 02:32:05,666
SCHIFF THAT HASN'T COME TO THE

4630
02:32:05,666 --> 02:32:07,433
COMMITTEE, AND WE STILL

4631
02:32:07,433 --> 02:32:08,733
HAVEN'T GOTTEN THINGS WE'RE

4632
02:32:08,733 --> 02:32:09,366
SUPPOSEED TO GET.

4633
02:32:09,366 --> 02:32:13,333
ONE IS THE IMPORTANT PART OF

4634
02:32:13,333 --> 02:32:15,166
THE IG INSPECTOR GENERAL.

4635
02:32:15,166 --> 02:32:16,033
HIS TESTIMONY IS WITHHELD.

4636
02:32:16,033 --> 02:32:18,166
AND THERE'S A SECRET ON, IT OR

4637
02:32:18,166 --> 02:32:19,666
HOLDING IT IN CLASSIFICATION.

4638
02:32:19,666 --> 02:32:20,900
LAST TIME I CHECKED WE HAVE

4639
02:32:20,900 --> 02:32:23,266
PLACES IN THE BUILDING AND

4640
02:32:23,266 --> 02:32:25,766
OTHER BUILDINGS TO HANDLE

4641
02:32:25,766 --> 02:32:26,366
CLASSIFIED INFORMATION.

4642
02:32:26,366 --> 02:32:27,366
IT'S WITHHELD FROM US.

4643
02:32:27,366 --> 02:32:33,100
AND I BELIEVE THERE'S A REASON

4644
02:32:33,100 --> 02:32:33,533
IT'S WITHHELD.

4645
02:32:33,533 --> 02:32:35,200
WE'LL SEE IF THAT GOES

4646
02:32:35,200 --> 02:32:35,533
FORWARD.

4647
02:32:35,533 --> 02:32:37,033
SO ANYBODY IN THE MEDIA OR

4648
02:32:37,033 --> 02:32:38,700
WATCHING THE FIRST 45 MINUTES

4649
02:32:38,700 --> 02:32:41,300
WE WENT THROUGH HAVE PAINTED A

4650
02:32:41,300 --> 02:32:42,033
VERY INTERESTING PICTURE.

4651
02:32:42,033 --> 02:32:43,400
IT PAINTED AN INTERESTING

4652
02:32:43,400 --> 02:32:45,433
PICTURE THAT GOES BACK MANY,

4653
02:32:45,433 --> 02:32:45,833
MANY YEARS.

4654
02:32:45,833 --> 02:32:46,866
IT PAINTS AN INTERESTING

4655
02:32:46,866 --> 02:32:48,200
PICTURE OF PICKING AND

4656
02:32:48,200 --> 02:32:49,266
CHOOSING WHICH PART OF THE

4657
02:32:49,266 --> 02:32:51,233
LAST FEW WEEKS WE WANT TO TALK

4658
02:32:51,233 --> 02:32:52,566
ABOUT, AND THAT'S FINE BECAUSE

4659
02:32:52,566 --> 02:32:54,533
WE'LL HAVE THE REST OF THE DAY

4660
02:32:54,533 --> 02:32:56,700
TO GO ABOUT THIS.

4661
02:32:56,700 --> 02:32:59,400
PROFESSOR TURLEY, YOU'RE NOW

4662
02:32:59,400 --> 02:32:59,800
WELL RESTED.

4663
02:32:59,800 --> 02:33:02,966
YOU WERE ASKED ONE QUESTION.

4664
02:33:02,966 --> 02:33:07,166
I WANT TO START HERE.

4665
02:33:07,166 --> 02:33:08,000
LET'S DO THIS.

4666
02:33:08,000 --> 02:33:09,100
ELABORATE, IF YOU WOULD,

4667
02:33:09,100 --> 02:33:11,100
BECAUSE YOU TRIED TO WHEN THE

4668
02:33:11,100 --> 02:33:12,166
QUESTION WAS ASKED, AND IF

4669
02:33:12,166 --> 02:33:13,366
THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE YOU

4670
02:33:13,366 --> 02:33:14,633
HEARD THIS MORNING THAT YOU

4671
02:33:14,633 --> 02:33:17,300
WOULD DISAGREE WITH, OR

4672
02:33:17,300 --> 02:33:17,666
ANSWER.

4673
02:33:17,666 --> 02:33:20,733
I WILL ALLOW YOU SOME TIME TO

4674
02:33:20,733 --> 02:33:21,166
TALK.

4675
02:33:21,166 --> 02:33:23,133
JUST FOR INFORMATION MR.

4676
02:33:23,133 --> 02:33:24,933
CHAIRMAN, THIS IS THE COLDEST

4677
02:33:24,933 --> 02:33:25,600
HEARING ROOM IN THE WORLD.

4678
02:33:25,600 --> 02:33:27,966
AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WORRIED,

4679
02:33:27,966 --> 02:33:32,700
I'M HAPPY AS A LARK, BUT THIS

4680
02:33:32,700 --> 02:33:34,666
CHAIR IS TERRIBLE IT'S

4681
02:33:34,666 --> 02:33:35,033
AMAZING.

4682
02:33:35,033 --> 02:33:36,300
MR. TURLEY, GO AHEAD.

4683
02:33:36,300 --> 02:33:37,900
>> IT'S A CHALLENGE TO THINK

4684
02:33:37,900 --> 02:33:40,033
OF ANYTHING I WAS NOT ABLE TO

4685
02:33:40,033 --> 02:33:43,000
RECOVER IN MY ROBUST EXCHANGE

4686
02:33:43,000 --> 02:33:43,600
WITH MAJORITY COUNSEL.

4687
02:33:43,600 --> 02:33:44,866
I'D LIKE TO TRY.

4688
02:33:44,866 --> 02:33:46,033
>> GO RIGHT AHEAD.

4689
02:33:46,033 --> 02:33:47,566
>> THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS

4690
02:33:47,566 --> 02:33:48,833
I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT, AND I'M

4691
02:33:48,833 --> 02:33:51,333
NOT GOING TO TAKE A GREAT DEAL

4692
02:33:51,333 --> 02:33:51,666
OF TIME.

4693
02:33:51,666 --> 02:33:53,300
I RESPECT MY COLLEAGUES.

4694
02:33:53,300 --> 02:33:56,133
I KNOW ALL OF THEM, AND I

4695
02:33:56,133 --> 02:33:56,766
CONSIDER THEM FRIENDS.

4696
02:33:56,766 --> 02:33:59,200
I CERTAINLY RESPECT WHAT THEY

4697
02:33:59,200 --> 02:34:00,300
HAVE SAID TODAY.

4698
02:34:00,300 --> 02:34:02,333
WE HAVE FUNDAMENTAL

4699
02:34:02,333 --> 02:34:02,766
DISAGREEMENTS.

4700
02:34:02,766 --> 02:34:04,966
I'D LIKE TO START WITH THE

4701
02:34:04,966 --> 02:34:05,766
ISSUE OF BRIBERY.

4702
02:34:05,766 --> 02:34:07,333
THE STATEMENT HAS BEEN MADE,

4703
02:34:07,333 --> 02:34:09,933
NOT JUST BY THESE WITNESSES

4704
02:34:09,933 --> 02:34:11,500
BUT BY CHAIRMAN SCHIFF AND

4705
02:34:11,500 --> 02:34:13,533
OTHERS THAT THIS IS A CLEAR

4706
02:34:13,533 --> 02:34:14,733
CASE OF BRIBERY.

4707
02:34:14,733 --> 02:34:16,800
IT IS NOT.

4708
02:34:16,800 --> 02:34:18,533
AND CHAIRMAN SCHIFF SAID THAT

4709
02:34:18,533 --> 02:34:20,466
IT MIGHT NOT FIT TODAY'S

4710
02:34:20,466 --> 02:34:22,466
DEFINITION OF BRIBERY, BUT IT

4711
02:34:22,466 --> 02:34:24,633
WOULD FIT THE DEFINITION BACK

4712
02:34:24,633 --> 02:34:26,666
IN THE 18th CENTURY.

4713
02:34:26,666 --> 02:34:31,266
NOW PUTTING ASIDE MR. SCHIFF'S

4714
02:34:31,266 --> 02:34:33,200
TURN TOWARDS ORIGINALISM, I

4715
02:34:33,200 --> 02:34:35,433
THINK THAT IT MIGHT COME AS A

4716
02:34:35,433 --> 02:34:37,733
RELIEF TO HIM AND SUPPORTERS

4717
02:34:37,733 --> 02:34:38,733
THAT HIS CAREER WILL BE A

4718
02:34:38,733 --> 02:34:42,033
SHORT ONE, THAT THERE'S NOT AN

4719
02:34:42,033 --> 02:34:44,166
ORIGINALIST FUTURE IN THAT

4720
02:34:44,166 --> 02:34:44,533
ARGUMENT.

4721
02:34:44,533 --> 02:34:47,166
THE BRIBERY THEORY PUT FORWARD

4722
02:34:47,166 --> 02:34:49,266
IS A FLAWED IN THE 18th

4723
02:34:49,266 --> 02:34:50,700
CENTURY AS IT IS IN THIS

4724
02:34:50,700 --> 02:34:51,100
CENTURY.

4725
02:34:51,100 --> 02:34:53,266
THE STATEMENT MADE BY ONE OF

4726
02:34:53,266 --> 02:34:55,666
MY ESTEEMED COLLEAGUES IS THAL

4727
02:34:55,666 --> 02:34:58,366
IF BRIBERY WASN'T DEFINED

4728
02:34:58,366 --> 02:34:58,933
UNTIL MUCH LATER.

4729
02:34:58,933 --> 02:35:17,100
THERE WAS NO BRIBERY STATUTE.

4730
02:35:17,100 --> 02:35:19,466
>> THE ORIGINAL STANDARD WAS

4731
02:35:19,466 --> 02:35:20,633
TREASON AND BRIBERY.

4732
02:35:20,633 --> 02:35:23,466
THAT LED MASON TO OBJECT THAT

4733
02:35:23,466 --> 02:35:25,533
IT WAS TOO NARROW.

4734
02:35:25,533 --> 02:35:26,600
IF BRIBERY INCLUDED ANYTHING

4735
02:35:26,600 --> 02:35:28,666
YOU DID FOR PERSONAL INTEREST

4736
02:35:28,666 --> 02:35:29,466
INSTEAD OF PUBLIC INTEREST,

4737
02:35:29,466 --> 02:35:32,733
AND YOU HAD AN OVERARCHING

4738
02:35:32,733 --> 02:35:33,866
DEFINITION.

4739
02:35:33,866 --> 02:35:37,166
THAT DEFINITION WOULD HAVE

4740
02:35:37,166 --> 02:35:37,600
BEEN USELESS.

4741
02:35:37,600 --> 02:35:39,366
THEY DIDN'T AGREE THAT IT WAS

4742
02:35:39,366 --> 02:35:39,766
TOO NARROW.

4743
02:35:39,766 --> 02:35:42,533
WHAT THEY DISAGREED WITH WAS

4744
02:35:42,533 --> 02:35:44,700
WHAT THEY SUGGESTED THE

4745
02:35:44,700 --> 02:35:45,800
ADMINISTRATION TO ADD TO THE

4746
02:35:45,800 --> 02:35:47,133
STANDARD BECAUSE HE WANTED IT

4747
02:35:47,133 --> 02:35:49,100
TO BE BROADER, AND WHAT JAMES

4748
02:35:49,100 --> 02:35:54,366
MADISON SAID IS THAT IS TOO

4749
02:35:54,366 --> 02:35:56,133
BROAD AND WOULD ESSENTIALLY

4750
02:35:56,133 --> 02:35:58,233
CREATE A VOTE OF NO EVIDENCE

4751
02:35:58,233 --> 02:35:59,233
IN ENGLAND.

4752
02:35:59,233 --> 02:36:00,800
IT WOULD BASICALLY ALLOW

4753
02:36:00,800 --> 02:36:02,100
CONGRESS TO TOSS[A A

4754
02:36:02,100 --> 02:36:05,833
PRESIDENT THEY DID NOT LIKE.

4755
02:36:05,833 --> 02:36:07,466
WE'RE ALL CHANNELING THE

4756
02:36:07,466 --> 02:36:31,700
INTENT OF THE FRAMERS.

4757
02:36:31,700 --> 02:36:35,300
THEY DIDN'T SAY BRIBERY WAS

4758
02:36:35,300 --> 02:36:35,700
TOO NARROW.

4759
02:36:35,700 --> 02:36:37,400
IT WAS NOTHING LIKE DESCRIBED.

4760
02:36:37,400 --> 02:36:42,200
WHEN THE OBJECTION WAS MADE BY

4761
02:36:42,200 --> 02:36:44,900
MASON -- BY MADISON,

4762
02:36:44,900 --> 02:36:46,466
ULTIMATELY THE FRAMERS AGREED,

4763
02:36:46,466 --> 02:36:48,566
AND THEN MORRIS WHO WAS

4764
02:36:48,566 --> 02:36:50,700
REFERRED TO EARLIER DID SAY WE

4765
02:36:50,700 --> 02:36:53,000
NEED TO ADOPT THIS STANDARD.

4766
02:36:53,000 --> 02:36:59,300
WHAT WAS LEFT OUT WAS WHAT

4767
02:36:59,300 --> 02:36:59,766
CAME AFTERWARDS.

4768
02:36:59,766 --> 02:37:02,300
WHAT MORRIS SAID IS WE NEED TO

4769
02:37:02,300 --> 02:37:03,500
PROTECT AGAINST BRIBERY

4770
02:37:03,500 --> 02:37:04,900
BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING

4771
02:37:04,900 --> 02:37:08,200
LIKE WHAT HAPPENED WITH LOUIE

4772
02:37:08,200 --> 02:37:11,466
THE 14th AND CHARLES THE 2nd.

4773
02:37:11,466 --> 02:37:13,433
THE EXAMPLE THEY GAVE OF

4774
02:37:13,433 --> 02:37:14,800
BRIBERY WAS ACCEPTING ACTUAL

4775
02:37:14,800 --> 02:37:18,066
MONEY AS THE HEAD OF STATE.

4776
02:37:18,066 --> 02:37:19,466
WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT EXAMPLE

4777
02:37:19,466 --> 02:37:21,333
THAT MORRIS GAVE AS THE

4778
02:37:21,333 --> 02:37:24,033
EXAMPLE OF BRIBERY WAS THAT

4779
02:37:24,033 --> 02:37:26,000
LOUIE THE 14th WHO WAS A

4780
02:37:26,000 --> 02:37:27,733
RECIDIVIST WHEN IT CAME TO

4781
02:37:27,733 --> 02:37:30,366
BRIBES GAVE CHARLES THE 2nd A

4782
02:37:30,366 --> 02:37:32,733
HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY AS WELL

4783
02:37:32,733 --> 02:37:35,466
AS OTHER BENEFITS, INCLUDING

4784
02:37:35,466 --> 02:37:38,733
APPARENTLY A FRENCH MISTRESS

4785
02:37:38,733 --> 02:37:41,800
IN EXCHANGE FOR THE SECRET

4786
02:37:41,800 --> 02:37:45,633
TREATY OF DOVER OF 1670.

4787
02:37:45,633 --> 02:37:48,200
I IT WAS ALSO AN EXCHANGE TO

4788
02:37:48,200 --> 02:37:50,000
CONVERTING TO CATHOLICISM.

4789
02:37:50,000 --> 02:37:52,433
BUT THAT WASN'T THE BROAD

4790
02:37:52,433 --> 02:37:53,000
NOTION OF BRIBERY.

4791
02:37:53,000 --> 02:37:54,566
IT WAS ACTUALLY NARROW.

4792
02:37:54,566 --> 02:37:55,866
I DON'T THINK THAT DOG WILL

4793
02:37:55,866 --> 02:37:57,666
HUNT IN THE 18th CENTURY, AND

4794
02:37:57,666 --> 02:37:59,166
I DON'T THINK IT WILL HUNT

4795
02:37:59,166 --> 02:37:59,466
TODAY.

4796
02:37:59,466 --> 02:38:02,266
IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE 21st

4797
02:38:02,266 --> 02:38:02,600
CENTURY.

4798
02:38:02,600 --> 02:38:04,333
BRIBERY IS WELL DEFINED.

4799
02:38:04,333 --> 02:38:06,266
YOU SHOULDN'T JUST TAKE OUR

4800
02:38:06,266 --> 02:38:07,133
WORD FOR IT.

4801
02:38:07,133 --> 02:38:09,366
YOU SHOULD LOOK TO HOW IT'S

4802
02:38:09,366 --> 02:38:11,166
DEFINED BY THE UNITED STATES

4803
02:38:11,166 --> 02:38:11,600
SUPREME COURT.

4804
02:38:11,600 --> 02:38:14,666
IN THE CASE CALLED MACDONALD

4805
02:38:14,666 --> 02:38:15,466
VERSUS THE UNITED STATES, THE

4806
02:38:15,466 --> 02:38:17,933
SUPREME COURT LOOKED AT A

4807
02:38:17,933 --> 02:38:19,400
PUBLIC CORRUPTIONS BRIBERY

4808
02:38:19,400 --> 02:38:19,700
CASE.

4809
02:38:19,700 --> 02:38:22,300
THIS WAS A CASE WHERE GIFTS

4810
02:38:22,300 --> 02:38:24,033
WERE ACTUALLY RECEIVED,

4811
02:38:24,033 --> 02:38:25,700
BENEFITS WERE ACTUALLY

4812
02:38:25,700 --> 02:38:26,766
EXTENDED.

4813
02:38:26,766 --> 02:38:27,466
THERE WAS COMPLETION.

4814
02:38:27,466 --> 02:38:30,000
THIS WAS NOT SOME HYPOTHETICAL

4815
02:38:30,000 --> 02:38:32,766
OF A CRIME THAT WAS NOT

4816
02:38:32,766 --> 02:38:34,366
FULFILLED OR AN ACTION THAT

4817
02:38:34,366 --> 02:38:35,966
WAS NOT ACTUALLY TAKEN.

4818
02:38:35,966 --> 02:38:39,466
THE SUPREME COURT UNANIMOUSLY

4819
02:38:39,466 --> 02:38:42,300
OVERTURNED THAT CONVICTION

4820
02:38:42,300 --> 02:38:42,700
UNANIMOUSLY.

4821
02:38:42,700 --> 02:38:45,933
AND WHAT THEY SAID WAS THAT

4822
02:38:45,933 --> 02:38:49,433
YOU CANNOT TAKE THE BRIBERY

4823
02:38:49,433 --> 02:38:53,533
CRIME AND USE WHAT THEY CALLED

4824
02:38:53,533 --> 02:38:54,200
A BOUNDLESS INTERPRETATION.

4825
02:38:54,200 --> 02:38:55,766
ALL THE JUSTICES SAID THAT

4826
02:38:55,766 --> 02:38:57,766
IT'S A DANGEROUS THING TO TAKE

4827
02:38:57,766 --> 02:39:00,233
A CRIME LIKE BRIBERY, AND

4828
02:39:00,233 --> 02:39:02,566
APPLY IT WITH BOUNDLESS

4829
02:39:02,566 --> 02:39:03,033
INTERPRETATION.

4830
02:39:03,033 --> 02:39:04,733
THEY REJECTED THE NOTION, FOR

4831
02:39:04,733 --> 02:39:05,733
EXAMPLE, THAT BRIBERY COULD BE

4832
02:39:05,733 --> 02:39:07,500
USED IN TERMS OF SETTING UP

4833
02:39:07,500 --> 02:39:08,800
MEETINGS AND OTHER TYPES OF

4834
02:39:08,800 --> 02:39:11,200
THINGS THAT OCCUR IN THE

4835
02:39:11,200 --> 02:39:15,700
COURSE OF A PUBLIC SERVICE

4836
02:39:15,700 --> 02:39:16,033
CAREER.

4837
02:39:16,033 --> 02:39:18,700
SO WHAT I WOULD CAUTION THE

4838
02:39:18,700 --> 02:39:22,733
COMMITTEE IS THAT THESE CRIMES

4839
02:39:22,733 --> 02:39:23,166
HAVE MEANING.

4840
02:39:23,166 --> 02:39:25,700
IT GIVES ME NO JOY TO DISAGREE

4841
02:39:25,700 --> 02:39:27,266
WITH MY COLLEAGUES HERE.

4842
02:39:27,266 --> 02:39:32,766
IREALLY DON'T HAVE A DOG IN

4843
02:39:32,766 --> 02:39:33,166
THIS FIGHT.

4844
02:39:33,166 --> 02:39:35,333
BUT YOU CAN'T ACCUSE A

4845
02:39:35,333 --> 02:39:37,266
PRESIDENT OF BRIBERY, AND THEN

4846
02:39:37,266 --> 02:39:39,266
WHEN SOME OF YOU NOTE THAT THE

4847
02:39:39,266 --> 02:39:41,233
SUPREME COURT HAS REJECTED

4848
02:39:41,233 --> 02:39:43,200
YOUR TYPE OF BOUNDLESS

4849
02:39:43,200 --> 02:39:45,433
INTERPRETATION -- SAY IT'S

4850
02:39:45,433 --> 02:39:45,933
JUST IMPEACHMENT.

4851
02:39:45,933 --> 02:39:49,500
WE REALLY DON'T HAVE TO PROVE

4852
02:39:49,500 --> 02:39:50,000
THE ELEMENTS.

4853
02:39:50,000 --> 02:39:55,066
THAT'S A FAVORITE MANTRA.

4854
02:39:55,066 --> 02:39:59,200
WELL, THIS ISN'T

4855
02:39:59,200 --> 02:39:59,766
IMPROVIZATIONAL JAZZ.

4856
02:39:59,766 --> 02:40:00,766
CLOSE IS GOOD ENOUGH.

4857
02:40:00,766 --> 02:40:02,533
IF YOU ACCUSE A PRESIDENT OF

4858
02:40:02,533 --> 02:40:04,066
BRIBERY, YOU NEED TO MAKE IT

4859
02:40:04,066 --> 02:40:05,400
STICK, BECAUSE YOU'RE TRYING

4860
02:40:05,400 --> 02:40:07,433
TO REMOVE A DULY ELECTED

4861
02:40:07,433 --> 02:40:08,733
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED

4862
02:40:08,733 --> 02:40:10,866
STATES.

4863
02:40:10,866 --> 02:40:13,033
NOW IT'S UNFAIR TO ACCUSE

4864
02:40:13,033 --> 02:40:15,233
SOMEONE OF A CRIME, AND WHEN

4865
02:40:15,233 --> 02:40:16,800
OTHERS SAY THOSE

4866
02:40:16,800 --> 02:40:17,500
INTERPRETATIONS YOU'RE USING

4867
02:40:17,500 --> 02:40:19,200
TO DEFINE THE CRIME ARE NOT

4868
02:40:19,200 --> 02:40:20,733
VALID, AND TO SAY THEY DON'T

4869
02:40:20,733 --> 02:40:24,900
HAVE TO BE VALID BECAUSE THIS

4870
02:40:24,900 --> 02:40:25,366
IS IMPEACHMENT.

4871
02:40:25,366 --> 02:40:29,200
THAT HAS NOT BEEN THE STANDARD

4872
02:40:29,200 --> 02:40:29,633
HISTORICALLY.

4873
02:40:29,633 --> 02:40:31,400
MY TESTIMONY LAYS OUT THE

4874
02:40:31,400 --> 02:40:34,333
CRIMINAL ALLEGATIONS OF THE

4875
02:40:34,333 --> 02:40:34,900
PREVIOUS IMPEACHMENT.

4876
02:40:34,900 --> 02:40:36,100
THOSE WERE NOT JUST PROVEN

4877
02:40:36,100 --> 02:40:39,866
CRIMES, THEY WERE ACCEPTED

4878
02:40:39,866 --> 02:40:40,200
CRIMES.

4879
02:40:40,200 --> 02:40:44,700
THAT IS EVEN THE DEMOCRATS ARE

4880
02:40:44,700 --> 02:40:46,466
ON JUDICIARY COMMITTEE AGREES

4881
02:40:46,466 --> 02:40:48,666
THAT BILL CLINTON COMMITTED

4882
02:40:48,666 --> 02:40:49,000
PERJURY.

4883
02:40:49,000 --> 02:40:52,233
THAT'S ON THE RECORD, AND THE

4884
02:40:52,233 --> 02:40:53,933
FEDERAL JUDGE SAID IT WAS

4885
02:40:53,933 --> 02:40:54,266
PERJURY.

4886
02:40:54,266 --> 02:40:56,466
IN THE CASE OF NIXON, THE

4887
02:40:56,466 --> 02:40:57,200
CRIMES WERE ESTABLISHED.

4888
02:40:57,200 --> 02:40:59,400
NO ONE SERIOUSLY DISAGREED

4889
02:40:59,400 --> 02:41:00,566
WITH THOSE CRIMES.

4890
02:41:00,566 --> 02:41:01,933
JOHNSON IS THE OUTLIEER

4891
02:41:01,933 --> 02:41:05,200
BECAUSE JOHNSON WAS A TRAP

4892
02:41:05,200 --> 02:41:05,566
DOOR.

4893
02:41:05,566 --> 02:41:07,300
THEY CREATED A CRIME KNOWING

4894
02:41:07,300 --> 02:41:10,700
THAT JOHNSON WANTED TO REPLACE

4895
02:41:10,700 --> 02:41:13,200
SECRETARY OF WAR STANTON.

4896
02:41:13,200 --> 02:41:14,533
AND JOHNSON DID, BECAUSE THEY

4897
02:41:14,533 --> 02:41:16,733
HAD SERIOUS TROUBLE IN THE

4898
02:41:16,733 --> 02:41:17,066
CABINET.

4899
02:41:17,066 --> 02:41:18,933
SO THEY CREATED A TRAP DOOR

4900
02:41:18,933 --> 02:41:20,466
CRIME, WAITED FOR HIM TO FIRE

4901
02:41:20,466 --> 02:41:22,933
THE SECRETARY OF WAR, AND THEN

4902
02:41:22,933 --> 02:41:23,500
THEY IMPEACHED HIM.

4903
02:41:23,500 --> 02:41:25,500
BUT THERE'S NO QUESTION HE

4904
02:41:25,500 --> 02:41:27,300
COMMITTED THE CRIME, IT'S JUST

4905
02:41:27,300 --> 02:41:30,966
THE UNDERLYING STATUTE WAS

4906
02:41:30,966 --> 02:41:31,466
UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

4907
02:41:31,466 --> 02:41:32,733
SO I WOULD CAUTION YOU NOT

4908
02:41:32,733 --> 02:41:36,366
ONLY ABOUT BRIBERY, BUT ALSO

4909
02:41:36,366 --> 02:41:36,900
OBSTRUCTION.

4910
02:41:36,900 --> 02:41:38,666
I'M SORRY RANKING MEMBER --

4911
02:41:38,666 --> 02:41:41,400
>> NO, YOU'RE DOING A GOOD

4912
02:41:41,400 --> 02:41:41,733
JOB.

4913
02:41:41,733 --> 02:41:44,133
>> I'D ALSO CAUTION YOU ABOUT

4914
02:41:44,133 --> 02:41:44,533
OBSTRUCTION.

4915
02:41:44,533 --> 02:41:46,000
OBSTRUCTION IS A CRIME ALSO

4916
02:41:46,000 --> 02:41:47,200
WITH MEANING.

4917
02:41:47,200 --> 02:41:49,266
IT HAS ELEMENTS -- IT HAS

4918
02:41:49,266 --> 02:41:51,633
CONTROLLING CASE AUTHORITY.

4919
02:41:51,633 --> 02:41:54,233
THE RECORD DOES NOT ESTABLISH

4920
02:41:54,233 --> 02:41:56,000
OBSTRUCTION IN THIS CASE.

4921
02:41:56,000 --> 02:41:58,866
THAT IS, WHAT MY ESTEEM KLEEPG

4922
02:41:58,866 --> 02:42:00,633
SAID WAS TRUE, IF YOU ACCEPT

4923
02:42:00,633 --> 02:42:03,433
ALL OF THEIR PRESUMPTIONS, IT

4924
02:42:03,433 --> 02:42:05,866
WOULD BE OBSTRUCTION.

4925
02:42:05,866 --> 02:42:07,433
BUT IMPEACHMENTS HAVE TO BE

4926
02:42:07,433 --> 02:42:09,133
BASEED ON TRUTH, NOT

4927
02:42:09,133 --> 02:42:09,566
PRESUMPTIONS.

4928
02:42:09,566 --> 02:42:11,466
THAT'S THE PROBLEM WHEN YOU

4929
02:42:11,466 --> 02:42:13,900
MOVE TOWARDS IMPEACHMENT ON

4930
02:42:13,900 --> 02:42:15,166
THIS ABBREVIATED SCHEDULE THAT

4931
02:42:15,166 --> 02:42:17,566
HAS NOT BEEN EXPLAINED TO ME

4932
02:42:17,566 --> 02:42:19,433
WHY YOU WANT TO SET THE RECORD

4933
02:42:19,433 --> 02:42:21,700
FOR THE FASTEST IMPEACHMENT.

4934
02:42:21,700 --> 02:42:24,500
FAST IS NOT GOOD FOR

4935
02:42:24,500 --> 02:42:24,900
IMPEACHMENT.

4936
02:42:24,900 --> 02:42:26,733
NARROW FAST IMPEACHMENTS HAVE

4937
02:42:26,733 --> 02:42:27,433
FAILED.

4938
02:42:27,433 --> 02:42:31,000
JUST ASK JOHNSON.

4939
02:42:31,000 --> 02:42:32,966
SO THE OBSTRUCTION ISSUE IS AN

4940
02:42:32,966 --> 02:42:34,766
EXAMPLE OF THIS PROBLEM.

4941
02:42:34,766 --> 02:42:36,966
AND HERE'S MY CONCERN.

4942
02:42:36,966 --> 02:42:38,733
THE THEORY BEING PUT FORWARD

4943
02:42:38,733 --> 02:42:44,100
IS THE THE PRESIDENT

4944
02:42:44,100 --> 02:42:45,366
OBSTRUCTED CONGRESS BY NOT

4945
02:42:45,366 --> 02:42:47,400
TURNING OVER MATERIAL

4946
02:42:47,400 --> 02:42:49,400
REQUESTED BY THE COMMITTEE.

4947
02:42:49,400 --> 02:42:50,200
AND CITATIONS HAVE BEEN MADE

4948
02:42:50,200 --> 02:42:53,100
TO THE THIRD ARTICLE OF THE

4949
02:42:53,100 --> 02:42:53,600
NIXON IMPEACHMENT.

4950
02:42:53,600 --> 02:42:55,033
FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO

4951
02:42:55,033 --> 02:42:56,600
CONFESS, I'VE BEEN A CRITIC OF

4952
02:42:56,600 --> 02:42:58,533
THE THIRD ARTICLE OF THE NIXON

4953
02:42:58,533 --> 02:42:59,866
IMPEACHMENT MY WHOLE LIFE.

4954
02:42:59,866 --> 02:43:02,933
MY HAIR CATCHS ON FIRE EVERY

4955
02:43:02,933 --> 02:43:05,866
TIME SOMEONE MENTIONED THE

4956
02:43:05,866 --> 02:43:06,300
THIRD ARTICLE.

4957
02:43:06,300 --> 02:43:06,566
WHY?

4958
02:43:06,566 --> 02:43:08,333
BECAUSE YOU WOULD BE

4959
02:43:08,333 --> 02:43:10,466
REPLICATEING ONCE OF THE WORST

4960
02:43:10,466 --> 02:43:11,133
ARTICLES WRITTEN ON

4961
02:43:11,133 --> 02:43:11,533
IMPEACHMENT.

4962
02:43:11,533 --> 02:43:16,000
HERE'S THE REASON WHY.

4963
02:43:16,000 --> 02:43:17,466
PETER RODINO'S POSITION AS

4964
02:43:17,466 --> 02:43:19,433
CHAIRMAN OF JUDICIARY WAS THAT

4965
02:43:19,433 --> 02:43:20,933
CONGRESS ALONE DECIDES WHAT

4966
02:43:20,933 --> 02:43:24,166
INFORMATION MAY BE GIVEN

4967
02:43:24,166 --> 02:43:24,466
ALONE.

4968
02:43:24,466 --> 02:43:25,400
HIS POSITION WAS THAT THE

4969
02:43:25,400 --> 02:43:28,233
COURTS HAVE NO ROLE IN THIS.

4970
02:43:28,233 --> 02:43:31,433
AND SO, IF ANY -- IF I USE

4971
02:43:31,433 --> 02:43:34,166
THAT THEORY, ANY REFUSAL BY A

4972
02:43:34,166 --> 02:43:35,433
PRESIDENT BASED ON EXECUTIVE

4973
02:43:35,433 --> 02:43:38,366
PRIVILEGE OR IMMUENLT WOULD BE

4974
02:43:38,366 --> 02:43:40,533
A BASIS FOR IMPEACHMENT.

4975
02:43:40,533 --> 02:43:43,166
THAT'S THE THEORY BEING

4976
02:43:43,166 --> 02:43:43,666
IMPLICATED TODAY.

4977
02:43:43,666 --> 02:43:45,900
PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS GONE TO

4978
02:43:45,900 --> 02:43:46,266
THE COURT.

4979
02:43:46,266 --> 02:43:48,666
HE'S ALLOWED TO DO THAT.

4980
02:43:48,666 --> 02:43:51,166
WE HAVE THREE BRANCHES, NOT

4981
02:43:51,166 --> 02:43:51,433
TWO.

4982
02:43:51,433 --> 02:43:54,400
I HAPPEN TO AGREE WITH SOME OF

4983
02:43:54,400 --> 02:43:55,733
YOUR CRITICISM OF PRESIDENT

4984
02:43:55,733 --> 02:43:56,766
TRUMP INCLUDING THE EARLIER

4985
02:43:56,766 --> 02:43:58,766
QUOTE WHERE THE COLLEAGUES

4986
02:43:58,766 --> 02:44:00,766
TALKED ABOUT SAYING THERE'S AN

4987
02:44:00,766 --> 02:44:05,300
ARTICLE 2, AND GIVES US

4988
02:44:05,300 --> 02:44:05,933
OVERRIDING INTERPRETATION.

4989
02:44:05,933 --> 02:44:07,000
I SHARE THAT CRITICISM.

4990
02:44:07,000 --> 02:44:10,733
YOU'RE DOING THE SAME THING

4991
02:44:10,733 --> 02:44:11,366
WITH ARTICLE 1.

4992
02:44:11,366 --> 02:44:13,100
YOU'RE SAYING ARTICLE 1 GIVES

4993
02:44:13,100 --> 02:44:16,000
US COMPLETE AUTHORITY WHEN WE

4994
02:44:16,000 --> 02:44:17,466
DEMAND INFORMATION FROM A

4995
02:44:17,466 --> 02:44:19,766
BRANCH IT MUST BE TURNED OVER

4996
02:44:19,766 --> 02:44:21,533
OR WE'LL IMPEACH YOU IN RECORD

4997
02:44:21,533 --> 02:44:21,833
TIME.

4998
02:44:21,833 --> 02:44:23,400
NOW MAKING THAT WORSE IS THAT

4999
02:44:23,400 --> 02:44:25,566
YOU HAVE SUCH A SHORT

5000
02:44:25,566 --> 02:44:26,000
INVESTIGATION.

5001
02:44:26,000 --> 02:44:27,766
IT'S A PERFECT STORM.

5002
02:44:27,766 --> 02:44:30,233
YOU SET AN INCREDIBLY SHORT

5003
02:44:30,233 --> 02:44:31,800
PERIOD, DEMAND A HUGE AMOUNT

5004
02:44:31,800 --> 02:44:33,533
OF INFORMATION, AND WHEN THE

5005
02:44:33,533 --> 02:44:35,433
PRESIDENT GOES TO COURT, YOU

5006
02:44:35,433 --> 02:44:36,400
THEN IMPEACH HIM.

5007
02:44:36,400 --> 02:44:38,533
NOW DOES THAT TRACK WITH WHAT

5008
02:44:38,533 --> 02:44:40,533
YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT

5009
02:44:40,533 --> 02:44:40,933
IMPEACHMENT?

5010
02:44:40,933 --> 02:44:42,600
DOES THAT TRACK WITH THE RULE

5011
02:44:42,600 --> 02:44:44,900
OF LAW THAT WE'VE TALKED

5012
02:44:44,900 --> 02:44:47,000
ABOUT?

5013
02:44:47,000 --> 02:44:49,500
SO, ON OBSTRUCTION, I

5014
02:44:49,500 --> 02:44:51,433
ENCOURAGE YOU TO THINK ABOUT

5015
02:44:51,433 --> 02:44:52,033
THIS.

5016
02:44:52,033 --> 02:44:54,966
IF NIXON DID GO TO THE COURTS

5017
02:44:54,966 --> 02:44:56,900
AND NIXON LOST, AND THAT WAS

5018
02:44:56,900 --> 02:45:00,900
THE REASON NIXON RESIGNED --

5019
02:45:00,900 --> 02:45:02,966
HE RESIGNED A FEW DAYS AFTER

5020
02:45:02,966 --> 02:45:05,033
THE SUPREME COURT RULED

5021
02:45:05,033 --> 02:45:06,366
AGAINST HIM IN THAT CRITICAL

5022
02:45:06,366 --> 02:45:08,400
CASE, BUT IN THAT CASE, THE

5023
02:45:08,400 --> 02:45:11,466
COURT RECOGNIZED THERE ARE

5024
02:45:11,466 --> 02:45:12,533
EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE ARGUMENTS

5025
02:45:12,533 --> 02:45:13,633
THAT CAN'T BE MADE.

5026
02:45:13,633 --> 02:45:15,600
IT DIDN'T SAY YOU HAD NO RIGHT

5027
02:45:15,600 --> 02:45:18,966
COMING TO US TO EMBARK ON OUR

5028
02:45:18,966 --> 02:45:19,433
DOORSTEP AGAIN.

5029
02:45:19,433 --> 02:45:21,533
IT SAID WE'VE HEARD YOUR

5030
02:45:21,533 --> 02:45:24,366
ARGUMENT, WE'VE HEARD CONGRESS

5031
02:45:24,366 --> 02:45:27,133
ARGUMENTS, AND YOU KNOW WHAT?

5032
02:45:27,133 --> 02:45:27,500
YOU LOSE.

5033
02:45:27,500 --> 02:45:30,200
TURN OVER THE MATERIAL OF

5034
02:45:30,200 --> 02:45:30,566
CONGRESS.

5035
02:45:30,566 --> 02:45:32,466
WHAT THAT DID WITH THE

5036
02:45:32,466 --> 02:45:36,666
JUDICIARY IS GIVE THIS BODY

5037
02:45:36,666 --> 02:45:37,066
LEGITIMACY.

5038
02:45:37,066 --> 02:45:38,933
IT WASN'T THE RODINO EXTREME

5039
02:45:38,933 --> 02:45:39,300
POSITION.

5040
02:45:39,300 --> 02:45:41,100
THAT ONLY YOU DECIDE WHAT

5041
02:45:41,100 --> 02:45:49,966
INFORMATION CAN BE PRODUCED.

5042
02:45:49,966 --> 02:45:51,333
MR. CHAIRMAN, I TESTIFIED IN

5043
02:45:51,333 --> 02:45:53,466
FRONT OF YOU A FEW MONTHS AGO.

5044
02:45:53,466 --> 02:45:56,166
IF YOU RECALL, WE HAD AN

5045
02:45:56,166 --> 02:45:56,966
EXCHANGE, AND I ENCOURAGED YOU

5046
02:45:56,966 --> 02:45:58,233
TO BRING THOSE ACTIONS AND I

5047
02:45:58,233 --> 02:46:00,333
SAID I THOUGHT YOU WOULD WIN,

5048
02:46:00,333 --> 02:46:01,000
AND YOU DID.

5049
02:46:01,000 --> 02:46:02,933
AND I THINK IT WAS AN

5050
02:46:02,933 --> 02:46:04,333
IMPORTANT WIN FOR THE

5051
02:46:04,333 --> 02:46:05,000
COMMITTEE BECAUSE I DON'T

5052
02:46:05,000 --> 02:46:06,500
AGREE WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP'S

5053
02:46:06,500 --> 02:46:07,966
ARGUMENT IN THAT CASE, BUT

5054
02:46:07,966 --> 02:46:10,166
THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT CAN

5055
02:46:10,166 --> 02:46:12,866
HAPPEN IF YOU ACTUALLY

5056
02:46:12,866 --> 02:46:16,300
SUBPOENA WITNESSES, AND GO TO

5057
02:46:16,300 --> 02:46:16,600
COURT.

5058
02:46:16,600 --> 02:46:19,466
THEN YOU HAVE AN OBSTRUCTION

5059
02:46:19,466 --> 02:46:19,766
CASE.

5060
02:46:19,766 --> 02:46:22,300
THE CORE ISSUES AND ORDER.

5061
02:46:22,300 --> 02:46:24,300
UNLESS THEY STAY THAT ORDER BY

5062
02:46:24,300 --> 02:46:26,933
A HIGHER COURT, YOU HAVE

5063
02:46:26,933 --> 02:46:29,133
OBSTRUCTION.

5064
02:46:29,133 --> 02:46:31,100
I CAN'T EMPHASIZE THIS ENOUGH,

5065
02:46:31,100 --> 02:46:33,966
AND I'LL SAY IT ONE MORE TIME.

5066
02:46:33,966 --> 02:46:37,033
IF YOU IMPEACH A PRESIDENT, IF

5067
02:46:37,033 --> 02:46:39,433
YOU MAKE A HIGH CRIME AND

5068
02:46:39,433 --> 02:46:41,566
MISDEMEANOR OUT OF GOING TO

5069
02:46:41,566 --> 02:46:44,933
THE COURTS, IT IS AN ABUSE OF

5070
02:46:44,933 --> 02:46:45,900
POWER.

5071
02:46:45,900 --> 02:46:48,333
IT'S YOUR ABUSE OF POWER.

5072
02:46:48,333 --> 02:46:49,900
YOU'RE DOING PRECISELY WHAT

5073
02:46:49,900 --> 02:46:50,900
YOU'RE CRITICIZING THE

5074
02:46:50,900 --> 02:46:51,433
PRESIDENT OF DOING.

5075
02:46:51,433 --> 02:46:53,566
WE HAVE A THIRD BRANCH THAT

5076
02:46:53,566 --> 02:46:54,700
DEALS WITH THE CONFLICTS OF

5077
02:46:54,700 --> 02:46:56,066
THE OTHER TWO BRANCHES.

5078
02:46:56,066 --> 02:46:57,300
AND WHAT COMES OUT OF THERE

5079
02:46:57,300 --> 02:47:01,200
AND WHAT YOU DO WITH IT IS THE

5080
02:47:01,200 --> 02:47:01,866
DEFINITION OF LEGITIMACY.

5081
02:47:01,866 --> 02:47:03,333
>> LET'S CONTINUE ON WHAT

5082
02:47:03,333 --> 02:47:05,066
YOU'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.

5083
02:47:05,066 --> 02:47:06,933
THE MACDONALD CASE, HOW WAS

5084
02:47:06,933 --> 02:47:07,366
THAT DECIDED?

5085
02:47:07,366 --> 02:47:08,800
WAS THAT A SPLIT COURT?

5086
02:47:08,800 --> 02:47:10,333
WERE THEY TORN ABOUT THAT WHEN

5087
02:47:10,333 --> 02:47:11,433
THE CASE CAME OUT?

5088
02:47:11,433 --> 02:47:14,066
>> IT CAME OUT UNANIMOUS, SO

5089
02:47:14,066 --> 02:47:16,766
DID A COUPLE OTHER KAILSS I

5090
02:47:16,766 --> 02:47:17,333
CITE IN TESTIMONY.

5091
02:47:17,333 --> 02:47:19,333
>> ONE OF THE THINGS YOU SAID

5092
02:47:19,333 --> 02:47:21,100
ALSO, AND I THINK IT COULD BE

5093
02:47:21,100 --> 02:47:24,800
SUMMED UP, AND I USE IT IS THE

5094
02:47:24,800 --> 02:47:26,433
LAYMAN'S LANGUAGE IS THAT

5095
02:47:26,433 --> 02:47:26,966
FACTS DON'T MATTER.

5096
02:47:26,966 --> 02:47:29,766
THAT'S WHAT I HEARD A LOT OF.

5097
02:47:29,766 --> 02:47:31,466
THE FACTS DISPUTED THIS, BUT

5098
02:47:31,466 --> 02:47:35,366
IF THIS, IF THAT, IT RISES TO

5099
02:47:35,366 --> 02:47:35,866
IMPEACHMENT LEVEL.

5100
02:47:35,866 --> 02:47:37,566
AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK YOU

5101
02:47:37,566 --> 02:47:38,700
SAID, CRIMES C MEANING, AND

5102
02:47:38,700 --> 02:47:40,933
THIS IS THE CONCERN THAT I

5103
02:47:40,933 --> 02:47:41,233
HAVE.

5104
02:47:41,233 --> 02:47:43,433
IS THERE A CONCERN THAT IF WE

5105
02:47:43,433 --> 02:47:44,933
JUST SAY THE FACTS DON'T

5106
02:47:44,933 --> 02:47:48,100
MATTER THAT WE'RE ALSO, AS YOU

5107
02:47:48,100 --> 02:47:49,866
SAID, ABUSING OUR POWER AS WE

5108
02:47:49,866 --> 02:47:52,033
GO FORWARD IN LOOKING AT WHAT

5109
02:47:52,033 --> 02:47:54,100
PEOPLE WOULD SEE AS AN

5110
02:47:54,100 --> 02:47:54,633
IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE?

5111
02:47:54,633 --> 02:47:56,400
>> I THINK SO, AND PART OF THE

5112
02:47:56,400 --> 02:47:58,200
PROBLEM IS TO BRING A COUPLE

5113
02:47:58,200 --> 02:47:59,966
OF THESE ARTICLES, YOU HAVE TO

5114
02:47:59,966 --> 02:48:03,133
CONTRADICT THE POSITION OF

5115
02:48:03,133 --> 02:48:04,400
PRESIDENT OBAMA.

5116
02:48:04,400 --> 02:48:06,866
PRESIDENT OBAMA WITHHELD

5117
02:48:06,866 --> 02:48:08,800
EVIDENCE FROM CONGRESS IN FAST

5118
02:48:08,800 --> 02:48:11,433
AND FURIOUS, AN INVESTIGATION

5119
02:48:11,433 --> 02:48:12,700
ZOO-A RATHER MORONIC PROGRAM

5120
02:48:12,700 --> 02:48:14,966
THAT LED TO THE DEATH OF A

5121
02:48:14,966 --> 02:48:15,466
FEDERAL AGENT.

5122
02:48:15,466 --> 02:48:17,533
PRESIDENT OBAMA GAVE A

5123
02:48:17,533 --> 02:48:18,700
SWEEPING ARGUMENT THAT HE WAS

5124
02:48:18,700 --> 02:48:20,166
NOT ONLY NOT GOING TO GIVE

5125
02:48:20,166 --> 02:48:23,233
EVIDENCE TO THIS BODY, BUT

5126
02:48:23,233 --> 02:48:26,333
THAT THE COURTS HAD ABSOLUTELY

5127
02:48:26,333 --> 02:48:29,200
NO ROLE IN DETERMINING WHETHER

5128
02:48:29,200 --> 02:48:30,933
HE COULD WITHHOLD THE

5129
02:48:30,933 --> 02:48:31,300
EVIDENCE.

5130
02:48:31,300 --> 02:48:32,266
>> I HAVE A QUESTION.

5131
02:48:32,266 --> 02:48:33,833
>> YOU BROUGHT UP MR. OBAMA

5132
02:48:33,833 --> 02:48:35,466
AND OTHER PRESIDENTS IN THIS

5133
02:48:35,466 --> 02:48:35,800
PROCESS.

5134
02:48:35,800 --> 02:48:37,333
IS THERE NOT AN OBLIGATION BY

5135
02:48:37,333 --> 02:48:39,466
THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT --

5136
02:48:39,466 --> 02:48:41,766
WE'LL USE THAT TERM -- NOT TO

5137
02:48:41,766 --> 02:48:44,366
BE OBAMA, TRUMP, CLINTON,

5138
02:48:44,366 --> 02:48:45,900
ANYBODY -- ISN'T THERE AN

5139
02:48:45,900 --> 02:48:48,200
OBLIGATION BY THE PRESIDENT TO

5140
02:48:48,200 --> 02:48:48,766
ASSERT CONSTITUTIONAL

5141
02:48:48,766 --> 02:48:49,500
PRIVILEGES AND AUTHORITIES

5142
02:48:49,500 --> 02:48:51,433
THAT HAVE BEEN GIVEN WHEN

5143
02:48:51,433 --> 02:48:52,800
ACCUSED OF SOMETHING, A CRIME

5144
02:48:52,800 --> 02:48:53,833
OR ANYTHING ELSE?

5145
02:48:53,833 --> 02:48:56,433
>> I THINK THAT PRESIDENT

5146
02:48:56,433 --> 02:48:58,766
OBAMA HAS INVOKEED TOO

5147
02:48:58,766 --> 02:48:59,400
BROADLY, BUT ON THE OTHER

5148
02:48:59,400 --> 02:49:02,333
HAND, HE HAS RELEASED A LOT OF

5149
02:49:02,333 --> 02:49:02,733
INFORMATION.

5150
02:49:02,733 --> 02:49:04,200
I'VE BEEN FRIENDS WITH BILL

5151
02:49:04,200 --> 02:49:06,666
BARR FOR A LONG TIME.

5152
02:49:06,666 --> 02:49:09,366
WE DISAGREE ON EXECUTIVE

5153
02:49:09,366 --> 02:49:10,166
PRIVILEGE.

5154
02:49:10,166 --> 02:49:13,933
I'M A SCHOLAR, I TEND TO FAVOR

5155
02:49:13,933 --> 02:49:14,533
CONGRESS IN DISPUTES.

5156
02:49:14,533 --> 02:49:16,733
AND HE IS THE INVERSE.

5157
02:49:16,733 --> 02:49:19,500
HIS NATURAL DEFAULT IS ARTICLE

5158
02:49:19,500 --> 02:49:20,433
2.

5159
02:49:20,433 --> 02:49:21,966
MINE IS MATERIAL 1.

5160
02:49:21,966 --> 02:49:24,466
BUT HE'S RELEASED MORE

5161
02:49:24,466 --> 02:49:25,933
PRIVILEGED INFORMATION THAN

5162
02:49:25,933 --> 02:49:27,733
ANY ATTORNEY GENERAL IN MY

5163
02:49:27,733 --> 02:49:29,700
LIFETIME, INCLUDING THE

5164
02:49:29,700 --> 02:49:30,166
MUELLER REPORT.

5165
02:49:30,166 --> 02:49:31,500
THESE TRANSCRIPTS OF THE CALLS

5166
02:49:31,500 --> 02:49:32,900
ARE CORE EXECUTIVE MATERIAL.

5167
02:49:32,900 --> 02:49:33,833
NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.

5168
02:49:33,833 --> 02:49:36,233
>> AND IN ESSENCE, THAT'S NOT

5169
02:49:36,233 --> 02:49:37,566
POINTED OUT WHEN YOU DO BACK

5170
02:49:37,566 --> 02:49:38,733
AND FORTH WHAT WE'RE DOING.

5171
02:49:38,733 --> 02:49:40,400
THE TRANSCRIPT OF THE CALL

5172
02:49:40,400 --> 02:49:43,333
RELEASED, AND THE THINGS

5173
02:49:43,333 --> 02:49:44,166
RELEASED BY MUELLER.

5174
02:49:44,166 --> 02:49:46,433
IT'S A WORK IN PROGRESS BY

5175
02:49:46,433 --> 02:49:46,966
THIS ADMINISTRATION.

5176
02:49:46,966 --> 02:49:47,866
THE INTERESTING POINT I WANT

5177
02:49:47,866 --> 02:49:50,933
TO TALK ABOUT IS TWO THINGS.

5178
02:49:50,933 --> 02:49:53,400
CONGRESS ABUSES ITS OWN POWER

5179
02:49:53,400 --> 02:49:54,933
EVEN INTERNALLY WHERE WE HAVE

5180
02:49:54,933 --> 02:49:56,900
BEEN COMMITTEES NOT WILLING TO

5181
02:49:56,900 --> 02:49:58,900
LET MEMBERS SEE TRANSCRIPTS,

5182
02:49:58,900 --> 02:50:00,366
NOT BEING WILLING TO GIVE

5183
02:50:00,366 --> 02:50:02,133
THOSE UP UNDER THE GUISE OF

5184
02:50:02,133 --> 02:50:03,033
IMPEACHMENT OR YOU SHOULDN'T

5185
02:50:03,033 --> 02:50:04,833
BE ABLE TO SEE THEM, EVEN

5186
02:50:04,833 --> 02:50:06,766
THOUGH THE RULES OF THE HOUSE

5187
02:50:06,766 --> 02:50:08,066
WERE NEVER INVOKEED TO STOP

5188
02:50:08,066 --> 02:50:08,366
THAT.

5189
02:50:08,366 --> 02:50:09,600
>> AND BEFORE WE MOVE TO

5190
02:50:09,600 --> 02:50:10,700
SOMETHING ELSE, THE TIMING

5191
02:50:10,700 --> 02:50:12,700
ISSUE THAT YOU TALK ABOUT

5192
02:50:12,700 --> 02:50:13,000
HERE.

5193
02:50:13,000 --> 02:50:13,766
AGAIN, I BELIEVE WE TALKED

5194
02:50:13,766 --> 02:50:15,066
ABOUT THIS WITH THE Mxá*UL ERR

5195
02:50:15,066 --> 02:50:19,666
RE

5196
02:50:19,666 --> 02:50:20,000
MUELLER

5197
02:50:20,000 --> 02:50:20,333
REPORT.

5198
02:50:20,333 --> 02:50:20,933
THIS IS THE FASTEST.

5199
02:50:20,933 --> 02:50:23,766
THE CLOCK AND THE CALENDAR ARE

5200
02:50:23,766 --> 02:50:24,166
DOMINATING.

5201
02:50:24,166 --> 02:50:24,933
IT'S REGARDLESS OF WHAT

5202
02:50:24,933 --> 02:50:26,900
ANYBODY IN THE COMMITTEE, AND

5203
02:50:26,900 --> 02:50:28,466
ESPECIALLY MEMBERS NOT OF THIS

5204
02:50:28,466 --> 02:50:30,266
COMMITTEE TO THINK OF WHAT

5205
02:50:30,266 --> 02:50:31,666
WE'RE ACTUALLY SEEING MOVING

5206
02:50:31,666 --> 02:50:32,000
FORWARD.

5207
02:50:32,000 --> 02:50:32,900
WE DON'T HAVE THAT YET.

5208
02:50:32,900 --> 02:50:37,733
SO THE QUESTION BECOMES IS AN

5209
02:50:37,733 --> 02:50:38,900
ELECTION PENDING WHEN FACTS

5210
02:50:38,900 --> 02:50:41,500
ARE IN DISPUTE.

5211
02:50:41,500 --> 02:50:44,566
THE FACTS ARE NOT UNANIMOUS.

5212
02:50:44,566 --> 02:50:45,866
THERE'S NOT BIPARTISAN

5213
02:50:45,866 --> 02:50:47,400
AGREEMENT ON THE FACTS AND

5214
02:50:47,400 --> 02:50:51,133
WHAT THEY LEAD TOO THAT'S BEEN

5215
02:50:51,133 --> 02:50:52,200
PRESENTED, NOT IN THE SCHIFF

5216
02:50:52,200 --> 02:50:53,766
REPORT, BUT IN OTHER REPORTS.

5217
02:50:53,766 --> 02:50:55,933
DOES THAT TIMING BOTHER YOU

5218
02:50:55,933 --> 02:50:58,000
FROM A HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE,

5219
02:50:58,000 --> 02:51:00,500
NOT IN THE PAST, BUT MOVING

5220
02:51:00,500 --> 02:51:00,833
FORWARD

5221
02:51:00,833 --> 02:51:03,733
>> FAST AND NARROW@ IS OBJECT A

5222
02:51:03,733 --> 02:51:04,800
GOOD RECIPE FOR IMPEACHMENT.

5223
02:51:04,800 --> 02:51:06,566
THAT'S THE CASE WITH JOHNSON.

5224
02:51:06,566 --> 02:51:08,333
NARROW WAS THE CASE WITH

5225
02:51:08,333 --> 02:51:08,666
CLINTON.

5226
02:51:08,666 --> 02:51:09,900
THEY TEND NOT TO SURVIVE.

5227
02:51:09,900 --> 02:51:12,900
THEY TEND TO COLLAPSE IN THE

5228
02:51:12,900 --> 02:51:13,233
SENATE.

5229
02:51:13,233 --> 02:51:14,400
IMPEACHMENTS ARE LIKE

5230
02:51:14,400 --> 02:51:14,766
BUILDINGS.

5231
02:51:14,766 --> 02:51:16,733
THERE'S A RATIO BETWEEN THE

5232
02:51:16,733 --> 02:51:17,333
FOUNDATION AND HEIGHT.

5233
02:51:17,333 --> 02:51:19,300
S THIS THE HIGHEST STRUCT YOU

5234
02:51:19,300 --> 02:51:20,933
CAN BUILD UNDER THE

5235
02:51:20,933 --> 02:51:21,366
CONSTITUTION.

5236
02:51:21,366 --> 02:51:22,966
YOU WANT TO BUILD IMPEACHMENT.

5237
02:51:22,966 --> 02:51:24,633
YOU HAVE TO HAVE A FOUNDATION

5238
02:51:24,633 --> 02:51:25,633
TO SUPPORT IT.

5239
02:51:25,633 --> 02:51:26,800
THIS IS THE NARROWEST

5240
02:51:26,800 --> 02:51:27,400
IMPEACHMENT IN HISTORY.

5241
02:51:27,400 --> 02:51:29,800
YOU CAN ARGUE WITH JOHNSON.

5242
02:51:29,800 --> 02:51:32,400
JOHNSON MIGHT BE THE FASTEST

5243
02:51:32,400 --> 02:51:32,800
IMPEACHMENT.

5244
02:51:32,800 --> 02:51:33,766
JOHNSON ACTUALLY -- WHAT

5245
02:51:33,766 --> 02:51:36,166
HAPPENED TO JOHNSON WAS

5246
02:51:36,166 --> 02:51:37,766
ACTUALLY THE FOURTH

5247
02:51:37,766 --> 02:51:39,166
IMPEACHMENT ATTEMPT AGAINST

5248
02:51:39,166 --> 02:51:39,500
JOHNSON.

5249
02:51:39,500 --> 02:51:41,200
AND ACTUALLY THE RECORD GO

5250
02:51:41,200 --> 02:51:42,400
BACK A YEAR BEFORE.

5251
02:51:42,400 --> 02:51:44,433
THEY LAID THE TRAP DOOR A YEAR

5252
02:51:44,433 --> 02:51:44,766
BEFORE.

5253
02:51:44,766 --> 02:51:47,400
IT'S NOT AS FAST AS IT MIGHT

5254
02:51:47,400 --> 02:51:47,733
APPEAR.

5255
02:51:47,733 --> 02:51:50,100
>> AND AGAIN, I WANT TO GO

5256
02:51:50,100 --> 02:51:50,700
BACK TO SOMETHING ELSE.

5257
02:51:50,700 --> 02:51:53,166
YOU TALKED ABOUT BRIEBLRY.

5258
02:51:53,166 --> 02:51:55,400
I WANT TO GO BACK TO SOMETHING

5259
02:51:55,400 --> 02:51:56,666
YOU TALKED ABOUT.

5260
02:51:56,666 --> 02:51:58,800
IT BROTHERS ME, THE PERCEPTION

5261
02:51:58,800 --> 02:52:01,033
OUT THERE OF WHAT'S GOING ON,

5262
02:52:01,033 --> 02:52:02,366
AND THE DISPUTED TRANSCRIPT,

5263
02:52:02,366 --> 02:52:04,333
AND THE CALL, AND THE

5264
02:52:04,333 --> 02:52:05,933
PRESIDENT SAID I WANTED

5265
02:52:05,933 --> 02:52:08,566
NOTHING FOR THIS.

5266
02:52:08,566 --> 02:52:10,600
THERE'S EXCULPATORY EVIDENCE

5267
02:52:10,600 --> 02:52:11,033
NOT PRESENTED.

5268
02:52:11,033 --> 02:52:12,933
AND IT'S REPORTED IN THE

5269
02:52:12,933 --> 02:52:14,433
MAINSTREAM MEDIA, AND BACK TO

5270
02:52:14,433 --> 02:52:17,933
WHAT THE DEFINITION IS --

5271
02:52:17,933 --> 02:52:19,533
REGARDING THE HOUSE ACCUSED

5272
02:52:19,533 --> 02:52:20,566
THE PRESIDENT OF QUID QUO PRO,

5273
02:52:20,566 --> 02:52:22,566
AND WE HEAR IT AS WE GO

5274
02:52:22,566 --> 02:52:24,533
THROUGH, AND THEN USED THE

5275
02:52:24,533 --> 02:52:26,200
POLITICAL FOCUS GROUP TO

5276
02:52:26,200 --> 02:52:28,266
DETERMINE WHETHER THE PHRASE

5277
02:52:28,266 --> 02:52:30,000
POLLED L AND APPARENTLY DIDN'T

5278
02:52:30,000 --> 02:52:31,433
POLL L SO THEY CHANGED THE

5279
02:52:31,433 --> 02:52:35,433
THEORY OF THE CASE TO BRIBERY.

5280
02:52:35,433 --> 02:52:37,466
DOES THAT FEED INTO FACTS DO

5281
02:52:37,466 --> 02:52:40,733
MATTER IN A CASE LIKE THIS OR

5282
02:52:40,733 --> 02:52:41,300
SOME MATTER?

5283
02:52:41,300 --> 02:52:42,133
>> IT DOES.

5284
02:52:42,133 --> 02:52:44,133
THERE'S A REASON YLT FAST

5285
02:52:44,133 --> 02:52:46,866
IMPEACHMENT HAS ESTABLISHED

5286
02:52:46,866 --> 02:52:47,166
CRIME.

5287
02:52:47,166 --> 02:52:47,600
IT'S OBVIOUS.

5288
02:52:47,600 --> 02:52:49,900
IT'S NOT THAT YOU CAN'T

5289
02:52:49,900 --> 02:52:53,033
IMPEACH ON A NON-CRIME.

5290
02:52:53,033 --> 02:52:53,366
YOU CAN.

5291
02:52:53,366 --> 02:52:54,100
IN FACT, NON-CRIMES HAVE BEEN

5292
02:52:54,100 --> 02:52:56,833
PART OF PAST IMPEACHMENTS, BUT

5293
02:52:56,833 --> 02:52:59,233
THEY'VE NEVER GONE UP ALONE

5294
02:52:59,233 --> 02:53:00,566
PRIMARILY AS A BASIS OF

5295
02:53:00,566 --> 02:53:01,166
IMPEACHMENT.

5296
02:53:01,166 --> 02:53:01,800
THAT'S THE PROBLEM HERE.

5297
02:53:01,800 --> 02:53:03,500
IF YOU PROVE A QUID QUO PRO,

5298
02:53:03,500 --> 02:53:05,400
YOU MIGHT HAVE AN IMPEACHABLE

5299
02:53:05,400 --> 02:53:07,433
OFFENSE, BUT TO GO UP ONLY ON

5300
02:53:07,433 --> 02:53:08,566
A NON-CRIMINAL CASE WOULD BE

5301
02:53:08,566 --> 02:53:10,766
THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY.

5302
02:53:10,766 --> 02:53:11,433
WHY IS THAT THE CASE?

5303
02:53:11,433 --> 02:53:14,533
THE REASON IS THAT CRIMES HAVE

5304
02:53:14,533 --> 02:53:16,333
AN ESTABLISHED DEFINITION IN

5305
02:53:16,333 --> 02:53:16,700
CASE LAW.

5306
02:53:16,700 --> 02:53:20,366
SO THERE'S A CONCRETE

5307
02:53:20,366 --> 02:53:21,933
INDEPENDENT BODY OF LAW THAT

5308
02:53:21,933 --> 02:53:23,466
ASSURES THE PUBLIC THAT THIS

5309
02:53:23,466 --> 02:53:25,066
IS NOT JUST POLITICAL.

5310
02:53:25,066 --> 02:53:26,933
THAT THIS IS A PRESIDENT WHO

5311
02:53:26,933 --> 02:53:28,500
DID SOMETHING THEY CAN'T DO.

5312
02:53:28,500 --> 02:53:29,600
YOU CAN'T SAY THE PRESIDENT IS

5313
02:53:29,600 --> 02:53:31,833
ABOVE THE LAW IF YOU THEN CASE

5314
02:53:31,833 --> 02:53:34,233
THE CRIMES YOU ACCUSE HIM OF

5315
02:53:34,233 --> 02:53:36,000
DON'T HAVE TO BE ESTABLISHED.

5316
02:53:36,000 --> 02:53:37,666
I THINK THAT'S THE PROBLEM

5317
02:53:37,666 --> 02:53:38,033
RIGHT NOW.

5318
02:53:38,033 --> 02:53:39,700
THAT'S THE PROBLEM MEMBERS OF

5319
02:53:39,700 --> 02:53:40,800
THE HOUSE AND THE PUBLIC ARE

5320
02:53:40,800 --> 02:53:42,766
LOOKING AT, IF YOU SAY IT'S

5321
02:53:42,766 --> 02:53:45,400
ABOVE THE LAW BUT YOU DON'T

5322
02:53:45,400 --> 02:53:47,200
DEFINE THE FACTS TO WHAT YOU

5323
02:53:47,200 --> 02:53:49,266
HAVE, THAT'S THE ULTIMATE

5324
02:53:49,266 --> 02:53:50,900
RAILROAD THAT EVERYBODY IN THE

5325
02:53:50,900 --> 02:53:53,133
COUNTRY SHOULD NOT BE

5326
02:53:53,133 --> 02:53:53,500
AFFORDED.

5327
02:53:53,500 --> 02:53:54,633
EVERYONE IS AFFORD THE THE

5328
02:53:54,633 --> 02:53:56,433
PROCESS TO MAKE THEIR CASE

5329
02:53:56,433 --> 02:53:56,733
HEARD.

5330
02:53:56,733 --> 02:53:57,533
THAT'S THE CONCERN I HAVE IN

5331
02:53:57,533 --> 02:53:59,266
THE COMMITTEE, AND WE'VE SEEN

5332
02:53:59,266 --> 02:54:00,633
IT VOTED DOWN WE'RE NOT GOING

5333
02:54:00,633 --> 02:54:02,966
TO LOOK AT FACT WITNESSES AND

5334
02:54:02,966 --> 02:54:05,233
NOT PROMISED OTHER HEARINGS --

5335
02:54:05,233 --> 02:54:07,433
AND THE WORDS CONCERNED AND

5336
02:54:07,433 --> 02:54:08,533
ECHOED BY THE CHAIRMAN WHERE

5337
02:54:08,533 --> 02:54:10,266
HE DID NOT WANT TO TAKE THE

5338
02:54:10,266 --> 02:54:12,933
ADVICE OF OTHER BODY OR ENTITY

5339
02:54:12,933 --> 02:54:14,466
GIVING THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE

5340
02:54:14,466 --> 02:54:16,200
A REPORT AND ACTING AS A

5341
02:54:16,200 --> 02:54:18,966
RUBBER STAMP IF WE DIDN'T DO

5342
02:54:18,966 --> 02:54:19,266
THIS.

5343
02:54:19,266 --> 02:54:20,500
IT WAS TWO AND A HALF WEEKS

5344
02:54:20,500 --> 02:54:21,466
BEFORE THE DISCUSSION OF THIS

5345
02:54:21,466 --> 02:54:24,100
KIND OF A HEARING BACK THEN,

5346
02:54:24,100 --> 02:54:26,000
BEFORE THE HEARING ACTUALLY

5347
02:54:26,000 --> 02:54:26,400
TOOK PLACE.

5348
02:54:26,400 --> 02:54:28,333
THESE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS

5349
02:54:28,333 --> 02:54:29,366
AS TIMING GOES.

5350
02:54:29,366 --> 02:54:30,466
THE OBVIOUS POINT IS THAT

5351
02:54:30,466 --> 02:54:31,400
TIMING IS BECOMING MANUFACTURE

5352
02:54:31,400 --> 02:54:33,966
OF THE ISSUE, BECAUSE OF THE

5353
02:54:33,966 --> 02:54:36,166
CONCERN AS STATED BEFORE ABOUT

5354
02:54:36,166 --> 02:54:36,533
ELECTIONS.

5355
02:54:36,533 --> 02:54:37,933
THEY'RE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT

5356
02:54:37,933 --> 02:54:40,500
FITTING THE FACTS IN TO WHAT

5357
02:54:40,500 --> 02:54:41,766
THE PRESIDENT SUPPOSEDLY

5358
02:54:41,766 --> 02:54:44,200
PRESUMABLY D AND MAKE THOSE

5359
02:54:44,200 --> 02:54:45,933
HYPOTHETICALS STICK TO THE

5360
02:54:45,933 --> 02:54:46,400
AMERICAN PUBLIC.

5361
02:54:46,400 --> 02:54:47,333
THE PROBLEM IS THE TIMING AND

5362
02:54:47,333 --> 02:55:05,100
THE DEFINITION OF CRIMES.

5363
02:55:05,100 --> 02:55:07,466
>> WHY IS IT WITHHELD EVEN IN

5364
02:55:07,466 --> 02:55:08,533
A NON-CLASSIFIED SETTING.

5365
02:55:08,533 --> 02:55:09,466
THESE ARE THE PROBLEMS YOU

5366
02:55:09,466 --> 02:55:10,566
HIGHLIGHTED, AND I THINK THAT

5367
02:55:10,566 --> 02:55:13,033
NEED TO BE -- AND WHY THE NEXT

5368
02:55:13,033 --> 02:55:15,866
45 MINUTES IS APPLICABLE,

5369
02:55:15,866 --> 02:55:17,366
BECAUSE BOTH SIDES MATTER.

5370
02:55:17,366 --> 02:55:19,133
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY THIS

5371
02:55:19,133 --> 02:55:21,766
IS A FAST IMPEACHMENT BASED ON

5372
02:55:21,766 --> 02:55:23,300
DISPUTED FACTS ON CRIMES OR

5373
02:55:23,300 --> 02:55:25,766
DISSERVICES THAT ARE MADE UP

5374
02:55:25,766 --> 02:55:26,400
WITH THE FACTS.

5375
02:55:26,400 --> 02:55:31,433
I WANT TO TURN IT OVER TO MY

5376
02:55:31,433 --> 02:55:35,366
COUNSEL.

5377
02:55:35,366 --> 02:55:36,866
>> PROFESSIONALS TURLEY, I'D

5378
02:55:36,866 --> 02:55:38,800
LIKE TO TURN TO THE SUBJECT OF

5379
02:55:38,800 --> 02:55:43,433
PARTISANSHIP AS THE FOUNDERS

5380
02:55:43,433 --> 02:55:46,266
MADE IT, AND HAMILTON WAS

5381
02:55:46,266 --> 02:55:48,400
CONCERNED WHEN IT CAME TO THE

5382
02:55:48,400 --> 02:55:50,733
SUBJECT OF IMPEACHMENT.

5383
02:55:50,733 --> 02:55:53,600
HE WROTE WORDS IN A FEDERAL

5384
02:55:53,600 --> 02:55:54,966
PAPER FOR RATICTION OF THE

5385
02:55:54,966 --> 02:55:56,300
CONSTITUTION.

5386
02:55:56,300 --> 02:55:58,033
THE FEDERALIST PAPERS LAID OUT

5387
02:55:58,033 --> 02:56:00,500
THE REASONS MADISON AND

5388
02:56:00,500 --> 02:56:01,800
HAMILTON THOUGHT THE

5389
02:56:01,800 --> 02:56:02,466
IMPEACHMENT CLAUSE WAS

5390
02:56:02,466 --> 02:56:04,433
NECESSARY, AND ALSO FLAGGED

5391
02:56:04,433 --> 02:56:04,800
CONCERNS.

5392
02:56:04,800 --> 02:56:06,600
HE SAID IN MANY CASES OF

5393
02:56:06,600 --> 02:56:07,700
IMPEACHMENT, IT WILL CONNECT

5394
02:56:07,700 --> 02:56:09,666
ITSELF WITH THE PRE-EXISTING

5395
02:56:09,666 --> 02:56:13,300
FACTIONS AND WILL ENLIST ALL

5396
02:56:13,300 --> 02:56:14,500
THE ANIMOSITYS, PARTIALITIES,

5397
02:56:14,500 --> 02:56:17,366
INFLUENCE AND INTERESTS ON ONE

5398
02:56:17,366 --> 02:56:20,966
SIDE, OR ON THE OTHER AND IN

5399
02:56:20,966 --> 02:56:25,533
TOUCH CASES.

5400
02:56:25,533 --> 02:56:28,666
>> AND THE BY THE REAL

5401
02:56:28,666 --> 02:56:31,433
DEMONSTRATIONS OF INNOCENCE OR

5402
02:56:31,433 --> 02:56:42,933
GUILT.

5403
02:56:42,933 --> 02:56:44,266
>> IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE

5404
02:56:44,266 --> 02:56:46,466
BY THE WAY, THAT WE OFTEN

5405
02:56:46,466 --> 02:56:49,133
THINK OUR TIMES ARE UNIQUE.

5406
02:56:49,133 --> 02:56:51,033
THIS PROVISION WAS WRITTEN FOR

5407
02:56:51,033 --> 02:56:53,600
TIMES NOT JUST LIKE OURS BUT

5408
02:56:53,600 --> 02:56:55,000
FOR TIMES LIKE OURS.

5409
02:56:55,000 --> 02:56:56,933
THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE

5410
02:56:56,933 --> 02:57:17,666
EVEN MORE SEVERE THAN THE

5411
02:57:17,666 --> 02:57:18,133
RHETORIC TODAY.

5412
02:57:18,133 --> 02:57:19,233
>> THEY WERE ACTUALLY TRYING

5413
02:57:19,233 --> 02:57:20,533
TO KILL EACH OTHER.

5414
02:57:20,533 --> 02:57:22,400
THAT'S WHAT THE SEDITION LAW

5415
02:57:22,400 --> 02:57:22,666
WAS.

5416
02:57:22,666 --> 02:57:24,266
YOU WERE TRYING TO KILL PEOPLE

5417
02:57:24,266 --> 02:57:26,700
THAT DISAGREED WITH YOU.

5418
02:57:26,700 --> 02:57:28,933
WHAT'S NOTABLE IS THEY DIDN'T

5419
02:57:28,933 --> 02:57:30,966
HAVE A SLEW OF IMPEACHMENTS.

5420
02:57:30,966 --> 02:57:32,833
THEY KNEW NOT TO DO IT.

5421
02:57:32,833 --> 02:57:35,033
AND I THINK THAT THAT'S A

5422
02:57:35,033 --> 02:57:38,000
LESSON THAT CAN BE TAKEN FROM

5423
02:57:38,000 --> 02:57:38,766
THAT PERIOD.

5424
02:57:38,766 --> 02:57:41,833
THE FRAMERS CREATED A STANDARD

5425
02:57:41,833 --> 02:57:44,666
THAT WOULD NOT BE FLUID AND

5426
02:57:44,666 --> 02:57:45,766
FLEXIBLE, AND THAT STANDARD

5427
02:57:45,766 --> 02:57:48,600
HAS KEPT US FROM IMPEACHMENTS

5428
02:57:48,600 --> 02:57:52,866
DESPITE THE PERIOD THAT WE

5429
02:57:52,866 --> 02:57:53,900
REALLY DESPISED EACH OTHER.

5430
02:57:53,900 --> 02:57:55,833
THAT'S DISTRESSING FOR MOST OF

5431
02:57:55,833 --> 02:57:56,200
US TODAY.

5432
02:57:56,200 --> 02:57:58,333
THERE'S SO MUCH MORE RAGE THAN

5433
02:57:58,333 --> 02:57:58,666
REASON.

5434
02:57:58,666 --> 02:58:00,333
YOU CAN'T EVEN TALK ABOUT

5435
02:58:00,333 --> 02:58:01,633
THESE ISSUES WITHOUT PEOPLE

5436
02:58:01,633 --> 02:58:03,866
SAYING YOU MUST BE IN FAVOR OF

5437
02:58:03,866 --> 02:58:05,800
THE UKRANIANS TAKING OVER THE

5438
02:58:05,800 --> 02:58:07,500
COUNTRY OR THE RUSSIANS MOVING

5439
02:58:07,500 --> 02:58:08,933
INTO THE WHITE HOUSE.

5440
02:58:08,933 --> 02:58:14,133
AT SOME POINT, AS PEOPLE, YOU

5441
02:58:14,133 --> 02:58:15,000
HAVE TO HAVE A SERIOUS

5442
02:58:15,000 --> 02:58:16,133
DISCUSSION ABOUT THE GROUNDS

5443
02:58:16,133 --> 02:58:20,466
TO REMOVE A DULY ELECTED

5444
02:58:20,466 --> 02:58:20,833
PRESIDENT.

5445
02:58:20,833 --> 02:58:22,066
PROFESSOR TURLEY, YOU SAID

5446
02:58:22,066 --> 02:58:23,800
WHEN IT COMES TO IMPEACHMENT,

5447
02:58:23,800 --> 02:58:26,966
YOU DON'T NEED HALF THE

5448
02:58:26,966 --> 02:58:31,266
IDEOLOGICAL WARRIORS WE NEED

5449
02:58:31,266 --> 02:58:31,833
CIRCUMSPECT ANALYSIS.

5450
02:58:31,833 --> 02:58:34,533
LOOK AT THE DEEPLY PARTISAN

5451
02:58:34,533 --> 02:58:36,600
LANDSCAPE ON THIS IMPEACHMENT.

5452
02:58:36,600 --> 02:58:38,966
TE DEMOCRATIC LEADERS PUSHING

5453
02:58:38,966 --> 02:58:40,533
IMPEACHMENT REPRESENT THE MOST

5454
02:58:40,533 --> 02:58:43,466
FAR LEFT COASTAL AREAS OF THE

5455
02:58:43,466 --> 02:58:44,200
COUNTRY.

5456
02:58:44,200 --> 02:58:46,666
THE BARS ARE THE TOTAL OF THE

5457
02:58:46,666 --> 02:58:48,400
VOTES CASTS, AND THE MARGIN OF

5458
02:58:48,400 --> 02:58:50,566
THE WINNER FOR THE 2016

5459
02:58:50,566 --> 02:58:50,933
ELECTION.

5460
02:58:50,933 --> 02:58:55,933
AS YOU SEE THE PARTS VOTED

5461
02:58:55,933 --> 02:58:56,833
OVERWHELMINGLY FOR HILLARY

5462
02:58:56,833 --> 02:58:59,466
CLINTON DURING THE LAST

5463
02:58:59,466 --> 02:59:02,433
PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

5464
02:59:02,433 --> 02:59:05,433
DURING THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL

5465
02:59:05,433 --> 02:59:05,800
ELECTION.

5466
02:59:05,800 --> 02:59:09,666
LAWYER CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS

5467
02:59:09,666 --> 02:59:14,433
TILTED 97% FOR CLINTON, AND 3%

5468
02:59:14,433 --> 02:59:14,800
FOR TRUMP.

5469
02:59:14,800 --> 02:59:17,200
AND THAT INCLUDES THOSE ON THE

5470
02:59:17,200 --> 02:59:18,266
PANEL HERE TODAY.

5471
02:59:18,266 --> 02:59:19,666
PROFESSOR TURLEY, I'D LIKE TO

5472
02:59:19,666 --> 02:59:21,333
TURN TO THE PARTISAN PROCESS

5473
02:59:21,333 --> 02:59:23,466
THAT DEFINES THESE IMPEACHMENT

5474
02:59:23,466 --> 02:59:23,866
PROCEEDINGS.

5475
02:59:23,866 --> 02:59:25,300
THIS IS HOW THE NIXON

5476
02:59:25,300 --> 02:59:25,933
IMPEACHMENT EFFORT WAS

5477
02:59:25,933 --> 02:59:29,400
DESCRIBED IN THE BIPARTISAN

5478
02:59:29,400 --> 02:59:29,833
STAFF REPORT.

5479
02:59:29,833 --> 02:59:31,833
YOU TALKED ABOUT THE

5480
02:59:31,833 --> 02:59:33,500
INITIATION OF THE IMPEACHMENT

5481
02:59:33,500 --> 02:59:33,833
INQUIRY.

5482
02:59:33,833 --> 02:59:37,100
IT WAS NOT PARTISAN, AND

5483
02:59:37,100 --> 03:00:05,466
SUPPORTS IN BOTH POLITICAL

5484
03:00:05,466 --> 03:00:05,800
PARTIES.

5485
03:00:05,800 --> 03:00:07,033
>> HOW SHOULD IMPEACHMENT

5486
03:00:07,033 --> 03:00:07,366
OPERATE?

5487
03:00:07,366 --> 03:00:09,000
>> I BELIEVE THE FOUNDERS

5488
03:00:09,000 --> 03:00:10,433
CERTAINLY HAD ASPIRATIONS THAT

5489
03:00:10,433 --> 03:00:12,166
WE WOULD COME TOGETHER AS A

5490
03:00:12,166 --> 03:00:14,133
PEOPLE, BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE

5491
03:00:14,133 --> 03:00:15,666
DELUSIONS, AND IT CERTAINLY

5492
03:00:15,666 --> 03:00:17,466
WAS NOT SOMETHING THEY

5493
03:00:17,466 --> 03:00:19,433
AREEVEED IN THEIR OWN

5494
03:00:19,433 --> 03:00:19,833
LIFETIME.

5495
03:00:19,833 --> 03:00:20,766
ALTHOUGH, YOU'D BE SURPRISED

5496
03:00:20,766 --> 03:00:22,700
THAT SOME OF THESE FRAMERS

5497
03:00:22,700 --> 03:00:25,566
ACTUALLY DID AT THE ENDS OF

5498
03:00:25,566 --> 03:00:26,866
THEIR LIFE, INCLUDING

5499
03:00:26,866 --> 03:00:28,600
JEFFERSON AND ADAM RECONCILE.

5500
03:00:28,600 --> 03:00:30,866
INDEED, I THINK ONE OF THE

5501
03:00:30,866 --> 03:00:34,333
MOST WEIGHTY AND SIGNIFICANT

5502
03:00:34,333 --> 03:00:35,066
MOMENTS IN CONSTITUTIONAL

5503
03:00:35,066 --> 03:00:37,233
HISTORY IS THE ONE THAT IS

5504
03:00:37,233 --> 03:00:38,800
RARELY DISCUSSED, THAT ADAMS

5505
03:00:38,800 --> 03:00:41,300
AND JEFFERSON REACHED OUT TO

5506
03:00:41,300 --> 03:00:41,800
EACH OTHER.

5507
03:00:41,800 --> 03:00:45,000
THAT THEY WANTED TO RECONCILE

5508
03:00:45,000 --> 03:00:46,400
BEFORE THEY DIED.

5509
03:00:46,400 --> 03:00:49,500
THEY MET AND THEY DID.

5510
03:00:49,500 --> 03:00:50,766
AND MAYBE THAT IS SOMETHING

5511
03:00:50,766 --> 03:00:54,566
THAT WE CAN LEARN FROM.

5512
03:00:54,566 --> 03:00:56,700
THE GREATER THING I WOULD

5513
03:00:56,700 --> 03:00:58,700
POINT TO IS THE 7 REPUBLICANS

5514
03:00:58,700 --> 03:01:00,266
IN THE JOHNSON IMPEACHMENT.

5515
03:01:00,266 --> 03:01:04,066
I CAN READ ONE THING TO YOU.

5516
03:01:04,066 --> 03:01:05,333
EVERYONE TALKS AND TALKS ABOUT

5517
03:01:05,333 --> 03:01:07,500
ONE OF THE SENATORS -- BUT NOT

5518
03:01:07,500 --> 03:01:10,400
THIS ONE, AND THAT'S TRUMBLE.

5519
03:01:10,400 --> 03:01:12,800
HE WAS A FANTASTIC SENATOR AND

5520
03:01:12,800 --> 03:01:15,433
BECAME AN ADVOCATE FOR CIVIL

5521
03:01:15,433 --> 03:01:15,800
LIBERTIES.

5522
03:01:15,800 --> 03:01:16,533
YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT

5523
03:01:16,533 --> 03:01:18,300
MOST OF THESE SENATORS WHEN IT

5524
03:01:18,300 --> 03:01:21,000
WAS SAID THAT THEY JUMPED INTO

5525
03:01:21,000 --> 03:01:22,800
THEIR POLITICAL GRAVES IT WAS

5526
03:01:22,800 --> 03:01:23,100
TRUE.

5527
03:01:23,100 --> 03:01:25,733
MOST OF THEIR POLITICAL

5528
03:01:25,733 --> 03:01:26,166
CAREERS ENDED.

5529
03:01:26,166 --> 03:01:27,433
THEY KNEW IT WOULD END BECAUSE

5530
03:01:27,433 --> 03:01:30,366
OF THE ANIMOSITY OF THE

5531
03:01:30,366 --> 03:01:30,700
PERIOD.

5532
03:01:30,700 --> 03:01:33,000
TRUMBLE SAID THE FOLLOWING:

5533
03:01:33,000 --> 03:01:35,633
HE SAID "ONCE YOU SET THE

5534
03:01:35,633 --> 03:01:36,966
EXAMPLE OF IMPEACHING A

5535
03:01:36,966 --> 03:01:38,500
PRESIDENT FOR WHAT, WHEN THE

5536
03:01:38,500 --> 03:01:39,833
EXCITEMENT OF THE HOUR SHALL

5537
03:01:39,833 --> 03:01:42,300
HAVE SUBSIDED AND BE REGARDED

5538
03:01:42,300 --> 03:01:44,200
AS INSUFFICIENT CAUSES, NO

5539
03:01:44,200 --> 03:01:45,333
FUTURE PRESIDENT WILL BE SAFE

5540
03:01:45,333 --> 03:01:46,833
WHO HAPPENS TO DIFFER FROM THE

5541
03:01:46,833 --> 03:01:49,533
MAJORITY OF THE HOUSE AND TWO

5542
03:01:49,533 --> 03:01:50,566
THIRDSF THE SENATE."

5543
03:01:50,566 --> 03:01:52,833
HE SAID, "I TREMBLE FOR THE

5544
03:01:52,833 --> 03:01:53,433
FUTURE OF THE COUNTRY."

5545
03:01:53,433 --> 03:01:55,600
I CAN'T BE AN TRUEMENT TO

5546
03:01:55,600 --> 03:01:58,000
PRODUCE SUCH A RESULT, AND THE

5547
03:01:58,000 --> 03:01:59,766
HAZARD OF THE FRIENDSHIPS AND

5548
03:01:59,766 --> 03:02:02,033
AFFECTIONS, THERE WILL COME A

5549
03:02:02,033 --> 03:02:07,433
TIME TO DO JUSTICE TO THE

5550
03:02:07,433 --> 03:02:07,800
MOTIVES."

5551
03:02:07,800 --> 03:02:08,033
.

5552
03:02:08,033 --> 03:02:09,966
HE PRECEDEED TO GIVE THE VOTE

5553
03:02:09,966 --> 03:02:11,433
THAT ENDED HIS CAREER.

5554
03:02:11,433 --> 03:02:14,300
YOU CAN'T WAIT.

5555
03:02:14,300 --> 03:02:17,333
THE TIME FOR YOU IS NOW.

5556
03:02:17,333 --> 03:02:20,866
AND I WOULD SAY THAT WHAT

5557
03:02:20,866 --> 03:02:22,866
TRUMBLE SAID HAS MORE BEARING

5558
03:02:22,866 --> 03:02:23,166
TODAY.

5559
03:02:23,166 --> 03:02:25,533
I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS MUCH

5560
03:02:25,533 --> 03:02:28,166
LIKE THE JOHNSON IMPEACHMENT.

5561
03:02:28,166 --> 03:02:30,133
IT'S MANUFACTURED UNTIL YOU

5562
03:02:30,133 --> 03:02:30,600
BUILD A RECORD.

5563
03:02:30,600 --> 03:02:32,300
I'M NOT SAYING YOU CAN'T BUILD

5564
03:02:32,300 --> 03:02:45,000
A RECORD, BUT NOT LIKE THIS.

5565
03:02:45,000 --> 03:02:46,800
>> THE LEGITIMATE IMPEACHMENT

5566
03:02:46,800 --> 03:02:48,966
PROCESS, THE BOOK IS PRETTY

5567
03:02:48,966 --> 03:02:49,366
ANTI-TRUMP.

5568
03:02:49,366 --> 03:02:50,766
IT'S CALL KD END OF

5569
03:02:50,766 --> 03:02:51,166
PRESIDENCY.

5570
03:02:51,166 --> 03:02:53,300
IN THAT BOOK THE AUTHOR STATES

5571
03:02:53,300 --> 03:02:53,733
THE FOLLOWING.

5572
03:02:53,733 --> 03:02:55,800
WHEN AN IMPEACHMENT IS PURELY

5573
03:02:55,800 --> 03:02:58,666
PARTISAN OR APPEARS THAT WAY.

5574
03:02:58,666 --> 03:02:59,966
WHEN ONLY REPUBLICANS OR

5575
03:02:59,966 --> 03:03:02,433
DEMOCRATS VIEW THE PRESIDENT'S

5576
03:03:02,433 --> 03:03:04,433
CONTACT AS JUSTIFYING REMOVAL,

5577
03:03:04,433 --> 03:03:07,066
THERE'S A RISK THAT PARTISAN

5578
03:03:07,066 --> 03:03:10,733
ANIMUS HAVE OVERTAKEN THE

5579
03:03:10,733 --> 03:03:11,166
IMPARTIALITY.

5580
03:03:11,166 --> 03:03:13,200
ANOTHER QUOTE IS WE CAN EXPECT

5581
03:03:13,200 --> 03:03:13,866
OPPOSITION LEADERS TO THE

5582
03:03:13,866 --> 03:03:15,066
PRESIDENT WILL BE PUSHED TO

5583
03:03:15,066 --> 03:03:16,766
IMPEACH, AND WILL SUFFER

5584
03:03:16,766 --> 03:03:19,433
INTERNAL BLOWBACK IF THEY

5585
03:03:19,433 --> 03:03:38,233
DON'T.

5586
03:03:38,233 --> 03:03:39,966
>> THE ONE THING THAT COMES

5587
03:03:39,966 --> 03:03:42,166
OUT OF THESE IMPEACHMENTS IN

5588
03:03:42,166 --> 03:03:44,400
TERMS OF WHAT BIPARTISAN

5589
03:03:44,400 --> 03:03:46,933
SUPPORT OCCURRED IS

5590
03:03:46,933 --> 03:03:47,566
IMPEACHMENTS REQUIREMENT

5591
03:03:47,566 --> 03:03:49,400
PERIODS OF SATURATION AND

5592
03:03:49,400 --> 03:03:49,800
MATURATION.

5593
03:03:49,800 --> 03:03:52,266
THE PUBLIC HAS TO KEEP UP.

5594
03:03:52,266 --> 03:03:54,466
I'M NOT PRE-JUDGING WHAT YOUR

5595
03:03:54,466 --> 03:03:56,233
RECORD WOULD SHOW, BUT IF YOU

5596
03:03:56,233 --> 03:03:57,966
RUSH THE IMPEACHMENT, YOU'RE

5597
03:03:57,966 --> 03:04:01,233
GOING TO LEAVE HALF THE

5598
03:04:01,233 --> 03:04:01,700
COUNTRY BEHIND.

5599
03:04:01,700 --> 03:04:03,966
IT'S CERTAINLY NOT WHAT THE

5600
03:04:03,966 --> 03:04:04,433
FRAMERS WANTED.

5601
03:04:04,433 --> 03:04:07,166
YOU HAVE TO GIVE TIME TO BUILD

5602
03:04:07,166 --> 03:04:07,533
A RECORD.

5603
03:04:07,533 --> 03:04:10,133
THIS ISN'T AN IMPULSE BY ITEM.

5604
03:04:10,133 --> 03:04:12,133
YOU'RE TRYING TO REMOVE A

5605
03:04:12,133 --> 03:04:12,766
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED

5606
03:04:12,766 --> 03:04:13,100
STATES.

5607
03:04:13,100 --> 03:04:14,066
THAT TAKES TIME AND WORK.

5608
03:04:14,066 --> 03:04:16,066
IN THE END, IF YOU LOOK AT

5609
03:04:16,066 --> 03:04:17,366
NIXON WHICH WAS THE GOLD

5610
03:04:17,366 --> 03:04:18,733
STANDARD IN THIS RESPECT, THE

5611
03:04:18,733 --> 03:04:20,633
PUBLIC DID CATCH UP, AND

5612
03:04:20,633 --> 03:04:21,966
ORIGINALLY DID NOT SUPPORT

5613
03:04:21,966 --> 03:04:22,900
IMPEACHMENT, BECAUSE THEY

5614
03:04:22,900 --> 03:04:23,733
CHANGED THEIR MIND.

5615
03:04:23,733 --> 03:04:25,900
YOU CHANGED THEIR MIND.

5616
03:04:25,900 --> 03:04:27,700
AND SO DID, BY THE WAY, THE

5617
03:04:27,700 --> 03:04:29,433
COURTS, BECAUSE YOU ALLOWED

5618
03:04:29,433 --> 03:04:31,433
THE ISSUES TO BE HEARD IN THE

5619
03:04:31,433 --> 03:04:33,000
COURT.

5620
03:04:33,000 --> 03:04:35,433
>> PROFESSOR TURLEY, NIXON AND

5621
03:04:35,433 --> 03:04:38,800
CLINTON WERE DEBATED ON THE

5622
03:04:38,800 --> 03:04:39,200
HIGH CRIMES.

5623
03:04:39,200 --> 03:04:40,166
CRIMES WERE AT ISSUE?

5624
03:04:40,166 --> 03:04:42,433
BUT IN THE ISSUES PRESENTED IS

5625
03:04:42,433 --> 03:04:44,666
IT YOUR VIEW ANY CRIME WAS

5626
03:04:44,666 --> 03:04:46,366
COMMITTED BY PRESIDENT TRUMP?

5627
03:04:46,366 --> 03:04:47,433
>> YES.

5628
03:04:47,433 --> 03:04:50,366
I'VE BEEN THROUGH THE CRIMES

5629
03:04:50,366 --> 03:04:52,700
MENTIONED AND DO NOT MEET

5630
03:04:52,700 --> 03:04:53,400
REASONABLE INTERPRETATION OF

5631
03:04:53,400 --> 03:04:54,700
THOSE CRIMES, AND I'M RELYING

5632
03:04:54,700 --> 03:04:57,033
ON EXPRESS STATEMENTS FROM THE

5633
03:04:57,033 --> 03:05:04,100
FEDERAL COURTS.

5634
03:05:04,100 --> 03:05:05,866
IT'S THE LANGUAGE OF THE

5635
03:05:05,866 --> 03:05:06,966
INTERPRETATION OF FEDERAL

5636
03:05:06,966 --> 03:05:07,300
COURTS.

5637
03:05:07,300 --> 03:05:09,566
I THINK ALL OF THOSE DECISIONS

5638
03:05:09,566 --> 03:05:11,466
STAND MIGHTILY IN THE WAY OF

5639
03:05:11,466 --> 03:05:17,666
THESE THEORIES.

5640
03:05:17,666 --> 03:05:19,466
IF YOU CAN'T MAKE OUT THE

5641
03:05:19,466 --> 03:05:21,066
CRIME, WHAT'S THE POINT.

5642
03:05:21,066 --> 03:05:23,900
CALL IT TREASON OR ENDANGERED

5643
03:05:23,900 --> 03:05:26,366
SPECIES VIOLATION IF NONE OF

5644
03:05:26,366 --> 03:05:27,066
THIS MATTERS.

5645
03:05:27,066 --> 03:05:29,766
THAT WOULD PUT IT IN THE

5646
03:05:29,766 --> 03:05:34,500
SUGGEST OF HIGH MISDEMEANORS.

5647
03:05:34,500 --> 03:05:36,766
IN MADISON'S NOTES OF THE

5648
03:05:36,766 --> 03:05:39,000
IMPEACHMENT DEBATES IT SHOWS

5649
03:05:39,000 --> 03:05:41,333
HIGH MISDEMEANOR WAS A

5650
03:05:41,333 --> 03:05:41,966
TECHNICAL TERM, NOT JUST

5651
03:05:41,966 --> 03:05:44,466
SOMETHING THAT ANY MAJORITY OF

5652
03:05:44,466 --> 03:05:45,533
PARTISAN MEMBERS WOULD THINK

5653
03:05:45,533 --> 03:05:47,500
IT WAS AT ANY GIVEN TIME, AND

5654
03:05:47,500 --> 03:05:49,233
OFTEN WHEN THERE'S A DEBATED

5655
03:05:49,233 --> 03:05:51,200
ABOUT A TECHNICAL TERM, PEOPLE

5656
03:05:51,200 --> 03:05:53,133
TURN TO DICTIONARIES.

5657
03:05:53,133 --> 03:05:56,066
AND THE FIRST WAS SAMIUM

5658
03:05:56,066 --> 03:05:58,033
JOHNSON, FIRST PUBLISHED IN

5659
03:05:58,033 --> 03:06:02,333
1755, AND THE FOUNDERS IN MANY

5660
03:06:02,333 --> 03:06:07,233
LIBRARIES8j AT THIS.

5661
03:06:07,233 --> 03:06:11,066
THE PUBLIC USE OF THE BDING OF

5662
03:06:11,066 --> 03:06:12,600
THE USE OF THE CONSTITUTION.

5663
03:06:12,600 --> 03:06:16,966
HERE'S HOW THE 1785 DICTIONARY

5664
03:06:16,966 --> 03:06:19,200
DEFINES HIGH CRIMES AND

5665
03:06:19,200 --> 03:06:19,633
MISDEMEANORS.

5666
03:06:19,633 --> 03:06:23,466
THE SUBDEFINITION IS CAPITAL

5667
03:06:23,466 --> 03:06:25,200
GREAT, OPPOSED LITTLE.

5668
03:06:25,200 --> 03:06:26,533
DEFINITION OF MISDEMEANOR

5669
03:06:26,533 --> 03:06:30,133
DEFINED AS SOMETHING LESS THAN

5670
03:06:30,133 --> 03:06:31,133
AN ATROCIOUS CRIME.

5671
03:06:31,133 --> 03:06:32,466
ATROCIOUS IS DEFINED AS WICKED

5672
03:06:32,466 --> 03:06:35,433
IN A HIGH DEGREE.

5673
03:06:35,433 --> 03:06:36,333
ENORMOUS, HORRIBLY CRIMINAL.

5674
03:06:36,333 --> 03:06:38,633
IF YOU LOOK AT HOW THE WORDS

5675
03:06:38,633 --> 03:06:41,233
WERE DEFINED AT THE TIME OF

5676
03:06:41,233 --> 03:06:43,200
CONSTITUTION WAS RATIFIED,

5677
03:06:43,200 --> 03:06:46,066
ATROCIOUS IS WICKED IN A HIGH

5678
03:06:46,066 --> 03:06:50,466
DEGREE, AND AS A RESULT A

5679
03:06:50,466 --> 03:06:52,400
HINEOUS MISDEMEANOR IS

5680
03:06:52,400 --> 03:06:54,500
SOMETHING WICKED IN A HIGH

5681
03:06:54,500 --> 03:06:55,233
DEGREE.

5682
03:06:55,233 --> 03:06:57,200
DOES THAT COMPORT WITH YOUR

5683
03:06:57,200 --> 03:06:58,333
UNDERSTANDING BY THE FOUNDERS,

5684
03:06:58,333 --> 03:07:01,333
AND THE PURPOSE OF NARROWING

5685
03:07:01,333 --> 03:07:01,733
THAT PHRASE.

5686
03:07:01,733 --> 03:07:04,466
TO PREVENT THE ABUSES YOU

5687
03:07:04,466 --> 03:07:05,166
DESCRIBED?

5688
03:07:05,166 --> 03:07:07,500
>> IT DID, IF YOU COMPARE IT

5689
03:07:07,500 --> 03:07:09,566
TO THE EXTRADITION CLAUSE, THE

5690
03:07:09,566 --> 03:07:23,533
LANGUAGE USED WAS DIFFERENT.

5691
03:07:23,533 --> 03:07:24,866
>> THAT'S CLEARLY NOT WHAT

5692
03:07:24,866 --> 03:07:25,233
THEY WANT.

5693
03:07:25,233 --> 03:07:27,466
>> I WANTED TO EXPLORE HOW THE

5694
03:07:27,466 --> 03:07:29,166
IMPEACHMENT IS, IS THE HIGH

5695
03:07:29,166 --> 03:07:31,400
CRIME, AND NO REQUEST FOR

5696
03:07:31,400 --> 03:07:34,066
FALSE INFORMATION UNLIKE THE

5697
03:07:34,066 --> 03:07:34,566
NIXON IMPEACHMENT.

5698
03:07:34,566 --> 03:07:35,133
START TO BACKGROUND.

5699
03:07:35,133 --> 03:07:36,600
THE AMERICAN MEDIA HAS BEEN

5700
03:07:36,600 --> 03:07:38,866
ASKING FOR QUESTIONS ABOUT

5701
03:07:38,866 --> 03:07:42,300
BIDEN'S SON, AND THE CORRUPT

5702
03:07:42,300 --> 03:07:42,800
COMPANY, BURISMA.

5703
03:07:42,800 --> 03:07:46,066
IS ONE OF THOSE EXAMPLES FROM

5704
03:07:46,066 --> 03:07:48,033
JUNE 2019, ABC NEWS

5705
03:07:48,033 --> 03:07:51,400
INVESTIGATION TITLED HUNTER

5706
03:07:51,400 --> 03:07:52,400
BIDEN'S FOREIGN DEALS.

5707
03:07:52,400 --> 03:07:56,233
DID JOE BIDEN'S SON PROFIT OFF

5708
03:07:56,233 --> 03:07:57,500
HIS FATHER'S VPTSZ.

5709
03:07:57,500 --> 03:08:01,900
A

5710
03:08:01,900 --> 03:08:02,366
VICE PRESIDENT.

5711
03:08:02,366 --> 03:08:05,000
>> AND MANY HAVE SEEN JOE

5712
03:08:05,000 --> 03:08:07,466
BIDEN TALKING ABOUT GETTING

5713
03:08:07,466 --> 03:08:09,433
THE PROSECUTOR OF BURISMA

5714
03:08:09,433 --> 03:08:09,733
FIRED.

5715
03:08:09,733 --> 03:08:12,433
AND A "NEW YORK TIMES" ARTICLE

5716
03:08:12,433 --> 03:08:14,200
REFERRING TO JOSEPH BIDEN, ONE

5717
03:08:14,200 --> 03:08:16,500
OF HIS MOST MEMORABLE

5718
03:08:16,500 --> 03:08:18,633
PERFORMANCES CAME TO KIEV WHEN

5719
03:08:18,633 --> 03:08:20,133
HE THREATENED TO WITHHOLD A

5720
03:08:20,133 --> 03:08:22,100
BILLION DOLLARS IN LOAN

5721
03:08:22,100 --> 03:08:23,400
GUARANTEES IF UKRAINE LEADERS

5722
03:08:23,400 --> 03:08:26,933
DID NOT DISMISS THE TOP

5723
03:08:26,933 --> 03:08:27,333
PROSECUTORS.

5724
03:08:27,333 --> 03:08:31,366
AMONG THOSE WHO HAD A STAKE IN

5725
03:08:31,366 --> 03:08:32,233
THE OUTCOME WAS MR. BIDEN.

5726
03:08:32,233 --> 03:08:36,133
MR. BIDEN'S SON WAS ON THE

5727
03:08:36,133 --> 03:08:40,733
BOARD OFAL OLIGARCH.

5728
03:08:40,733 --> 03:08:42,133
EVEN IF HE DIDN'T PARTICIPATE

5729
03:08:42,133 --> 03:08:43,666
TO CRIMES IF INVESTIGATION LED

5730
03:08:43,666 --> 03:08:45,566
TO THE BANKRUPTCY OF THE

5731
03:08:45,566 --> 03:08:47,466
CORRUPT COMPANY, HUNTER

5732
03:08:47,466 --> 03:08:49,033
BIDEN'S POSITION WOULD HAVE

5733
03:08:49,033 --> 03:08:51,166
BEEN ELIMINATED ALONG WITH HIS

5734
03:08:51,166 --> 03:08:52,600
$50,000 A MONTH PAYMENT.

5735
03:08:52,600 --> 03:08:54,466
THAT WAS HIS STAKE IN THE

5736
03:08:54,466 --> 03:08:55,466
PROSECUTION OF THE COMPANY.

5737
03:08:55,466 --> 03:08:58,666
IN FACT, EVEN THE FORMER

5738
03:08:58,666 --> 03:09:00,166
ACTING SLILS TORE GENERAL

5739
03:09:00,166 --> 03:09:03,500
UNDER PRESIDENT OBAMA IN A

5740
03:09:03,500 --> 03:09:06,166
RECENT BOOK SAYS THE

5741
03:09:06,166 --> 03:09:07,500
FOLLOWING.

5742
03:09:07,500 --> 03:09:11,433
"IS WHAT HUNTER BIDEN WRONG?

5743
03:09:11,433 --> 03:09:11,833
ABSOLUTELY.

5744
03:09:11,833 --> 03:09:13,400
IT MADE HIM WHOLLY UNQUALIFYED

5745
03:09:13,400 --> 03:09:15,333
TO SIT ON THE BOARD OF

5746
03:09:15,333 --> 03:09:15,666
BURISMA.

5747
03:09:15,666 --> 03:09:18,800
THE ONLY REASONABLE LOGICAL

5748
03:09:18,800 --> 03:09:20,833
REASON WAS HIS TIE TO VICE

5749
03:09:20,833 --> 03:09:21,300
PRESIDENT BIDEN.

5750
03:09:21,300 --> 03:09:22,700
THIS IS WRONG AND A POTENTIAL

5751
03:09:22,700 --> 03:09:25,066
DANGER TO OUR COUNTRY SINCE IT

5752
03:09:25,066 --> 03:09:27,466
MAKES IT EASIER FOR FOREIGN

5753
03:09:27,466 --> 03:09:30,166
POWERS TO BUY INFLUENCE.

5754
03:09:30,166 --> 03:09:31,966
YOU SHOULDN'T ALLOW A FOREIGN

5755
03:09:31,966 --> 03:09:35,466
POWER TO CONDUCT THIS PEDDLING

5756
03:09:35,466 --> 03:09:36,933
WITH FAMILY MEMBERS."

5757
03:09:36,933 --> 03:09:39,133
AND LT. COLONEL VINDMAN WAS

5758
03:09:39,133 --> 03:09:40,466
ASKED WOULD IT BE FOREIGN

5759
03:09:40,466 --> 03:09:41,800
POLICY TO ASK A FOREIGN LEADER

5760
03:09:41,800 --> 03:09:44,600
TO OPEN A POLITICAL

5761
03:09:44,600 --> 03:09:45,033
INVESTIGATION.

5762
03:09:45,033 --> 03:09:46,000
HE REPLIED CERTAINLY THE

5763
03:09:46,000 --> 03:09:47,066
PRESIDENT IS WELL WITHIN HIS

5764
03:09:47,066 --> 03:09:47,900
RIGHT TO DO THAT.

5765
03:09:47,900 --> 03:09:50,366
>> TO THE AMERICAN MEDIA AND

5766
03:09:50,366 --> 03:09:51,900
OTHERS ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT

5767
03:09:51,900 --> 03:09:54,133
HUNTER BIDEN AND HIS

5768
03:09:54,133 --> 03:09:55,400
INVOLVEMENT IN UKRAINE.

5769
03:09:55,400 --> 03:09:56,933
PRESIDENT TRUMP WITH HIS

5770
03:09:56,933 --> 03:09:58,900
CALL SIMPLY ASKED THE SAME

5771
03:09:58,900 --> 03:10:01,433
QUESTIONS THE MEDIA WAS

5772
03:10:01,433 --> 03:10:01,766
ASKING.

5773
03:10:01,766 --> 03:10:03,433
NOW PROFESSOR TURLEY, IS IT

5774
03:10:03,433 --> 03:10:05,266
YOUR HUNDREDING THAT

5775
03:10:05,266 --> 03:10:06,000
IMPEACHING NIXON AND COVERING

5776
03:10:06,000 --> 03:10:09,933
UP A CRIME, AND THAT THE

5777
03:10:09,933 --> 03:10:12,133
EVIDENTITARY CRIME SHOWS HE

5778
03:10:12,133 --> 03:10:15,433
KNEW OF AN ACT ACCORDING TAPES

5779
03:10:15,433 --> 03:10:18,100
OF NIXON ORDERING THE

5780
03:10:18,100 --> 03:10:18,633
WATERGATE BREAK-IN?

5781
03:10:18,633 --> 03:10:19,000
>> IT IS.

5782
03:10:19,000 --> 03:10:20,733
>> AND IS IT YOUR UNDERSTAND

5783
03:10:20,733 --> 03:10:22,100
THINK THAT THE HOUSES

5784
03:10:22,100 --> 03:10:23,366
IMPEACHED NIXON FOR THE CRIME

5785
03:10:23,366 --> 03:10:29,700
OF LYING UNDER OATH, AND

5786
03:10:29,700 --> 03:10:30,200
SEXUAL HARASSMENT?

5787
03:10:30,200 --> 03:10:31,533
>> THAT'S RIGHT.

5788
03:10:31,533 --> 03:10:33,733
>> THE REQUEST FOR FALSE

5789
03:10:33,733 --> 03:10:36,100
INFORMATION IN BOTH THE NIXON

5790
03:10:36,100 --> 03:10:37,733
AND CLINTON SCANDAL CAME FROM

5791
03:10:37,733 --> 03:11:25,966
THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF,

5792
03:11:25,966 --> 03:11:28,833
AGREE THE IFDS COMPILED TODAY

5793
03:11:28,833 --> 03:11:30,800
BY HOUSE DEMOCRATS FAILS TO

5794
03:11:30,800 --> 03:11:33,333
MEET THE STANDARD OF CLEAR AND

5795
03:11:33,333 --> 03:11:33,833
CONVINCEING OEFDS?

5796
03:11:33,833 --> 03:11:35,866
>> I DO BY A CONSIDERABLE

5797
03:11:35,866 --> 03:11:36,200
MEASURE.

5798
03:11:36,200 --> 03:11:38,600
>> AND LET ME TURN TO THE BOOK

5799
03:11:38,600 --> 03:11:39,166
IN THE PRESIDENCY.

5800
03:11:39,166 --> 03:11:41,100
THE AUTHOR STATES THE

5801
03:11:41,100 --> 03:11:43,000
FACILITATING: " THE

5802
03:11:43,000 --> 03:11:43,700
EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES,

5803
03:11:43,700 --> 03:11:46,033
IMPEACHING WITH A PARTIAL OR

5804
03:11:46,033 --> 03:11:46,633
PLAUSIBLEY CONTESTED

5805
03:11:46,633 --> 03:11:51,400
UNDERSTANDING OF THE FACTS IS

5806
03:11:51,400 --> 03:11:51,866
A BAD IDEA."

5807
03:11:51,866 --> 03:11:54,500
WILL DO YOU THINK IMPEACHING

5808
03:11:54,500 --> 03:11:56,100
WITH A PARTIAL UNDERSTANDING

5809
03:11:56,100 --> 03:11:56,700
OF THE FACTS?

5810
03:11:56,700 --> 03:11:58,100
>> I THINK THAT'S CLEAR,

5811
03:11:58,100 --> 03:12:00,500
BECAUSE THIS IS KNOW WO OF THE

5812
03:12:00,500 --> 03:12:02,133
THINNEST RECORDS EVER TO GO

5813
03:12:02,133 --> 03:12:02,800
FORWARD ON IMPEACHMENT.

5814
03:12:02,800 --> 03:12:06,800
THE JOHNSON RECORD WE CAN

5815
03:12:06,800 --> 03:12:09,266
DEBATE BECAUSE OF THE FOURTH

5816
03:12:09,266 --> 03:12:09,866
ATTEMPT AT IMPEACHMENT.

5817
03:12:09,866 --> 03:12:12,600
BUT THIS IS THE THINNEST OF A

5818
03:12:12,600 --> 03:12:13,033
MODERN RECORD.

5819
03:12:13,033 --> 03:12:14,433
IF YOU LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THE

5820
03:12:14,433 --> 03:12:18,000
RECORD OF CLINTON AND NIXON

5821
03:12:18,000 --> 03:12:20,566
THEY WERE MASSIVE COMPARED TO

5822
03:12:20,566 --> 03:12:24,433
THIS WHICH IS WAFER THIN.

5823
03:12:24,433 --> 03:12:25,666
AND LEFT DOUBTS.

5824
03:12:25,666 --> 03:12:28,066
NOT JUST IN THE MINDS OF THOSE

5825
03:12:28,066 --> 03:12:30,533
SUPPORTING TRUMP, BUT THOSE

5826
03:12:30,533 --> 03:12:33,666
LIKE MYSELF ABOUT WHAT

5827
03:12:33,666 --> 03:12:34,166
ACTUALLY OCCURRED.

5828
03:12:34,166 --> 03:12:34,900
THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN

5829
03:12:34,900 --> 03:12:35,600
REQUESTING AN INVESTIGATION

5830
03:12:35,600 --> 03:12:36,900
AND A QUID QUO PRO.

5831
03:12:36,900 --> 03:12:38,500
YOU NEED TO STICK THE LANDING

5832
03:12:38,500 --> 03:12:39,966
ON THE QUID QUO PRO.

5833
03:12:39,966 --> 03:12:42,433
YOU NEED TO GET THE EVIDENCE

5834
03:12:42,433 --> 03:12:42,900
TO SUPPORT IT.

5835
03:12:42,900 --> 03:12:44,966
IT MIGHT BE OUT THERE, I DON'T

5836
03:12:44,966 --> 03:12:45,266
KNOW.

5837
03:12:45,266 --> 03:12:46,733
BUT IT'S NOT IN THAT RECORD.

5838
03:12:46,733 --> 03:12:48,533
I AGREE WITH THE COLLEAGUES,

5839
03:12:48,533 --> 03:12:49,566
WE'VE ALL READ THE RECORD, AND

5840
03:12:49,566 --> 03:12:52,000
I JUST COME TO A DIFFERENT

5841
03:12:52,000 --> 03:12:52,400
CONCLUSION.

5842
03:12:52,400 --> 03:12:54,066
I DON'T SEE PROOF OF A QUID

5843
03:12:54,066 --> 03:12:54,433
QUO PRO.

5844
03:12:54,433 --> 03:12:57,066
NO MATTER WHAT MY ASSUMPTIONS

5845
03:12:57,066 --> 03:12:57,966
OR BIAS MIGHT BE.

5846
03:12:57,966 --> 03:12:59,933
>> ON THAT POINT, I'D LIKE TO

5847
03:12:59,933 --> 03:13:03,033
TURN TO THE CURRENT

5848
03:13:03,033 --> 03:13:03,433
PROCEDURES.

5849
03:13:03,433 --> 03:13:04,100
PROFESSIONALS TURLEY, DUE

5850
03:13:04,100 --> 03:13:07,166
AGREE THAT A FULL ADVERSARY

5851
03:13:07,166 --> 03:13:10,066
SYSTEM IN WHICH EACH SIDE GETS

5852
03:13:10,066 --> 03:13:12,633
A CHANCE TO PRESENT EVIDENCE

5853
03:13:12,633 --> 03:13:13,033
FOR TRUTH?

5854
03:13:13,033 --> 03:13:13,366
>> YES.

5855
03:13:13,366 --> 03:13:15,166
WITH THE ENGLISH IMPEACHMENT

5856
03:13:15,166 --> 03:13:17,500
MODEL REJECTED BY THE FRAMERS,

5857
03:13:17,500 --> 03:13:19,433
THEY TOOK THE LANGUAGE BUT

5858
03:13:19,433 --> 03:13:22,066
REJECTED THE MODEL OF

5859
03:13:22,066 --> 03:13:24,300
IMPEACHMENT FROM ENGLAND

5860
03:13:24,300 --> 03:13:24,866
PARTICULARLY HASTINGS.

5861
03:13:24,866 --> 03:13:27,433
BUT EVEN IN ENGLAND IT WAS A

5862
03:13:27,433 --> 03:13:27,900
ROBUST PROCESS.

5863
03:13:27,900 --> 03:13:31,366
IF YOU WANT TO SEE ADVERSARIAL

5864
03:13:31,366 --> 03:13:35,433
WORK LOOK AT WHAT BURKE DID TO

5865
03:13:35,433 --> 03:13:35,900
WARREN HASTINGS.

5866
03:13:35,900 --> 03:13:39,466
HE WAS ON HIM LIKE UGLY ON

5867
03:13:39,466 --> 03:13:40,600
MOOSE THE ENTIRE TRIAL.

5868
03:13:40,600 --> 03:13:42,500
>> AND AS YOU KNOW, IN THE

5869
03:13:42,500 --> 03:13:43,866
MINORITY VIEWS IN THE CLINTON

5870
03:13:43,866 --> 03:13:45,600
IMPEACHMENT REPORT, THE HOUSE

5871
03:13:45,600 --> 03:13:47,000
DEMOCRATS WROTE THE FOLLOWING.

5872
03:13:47,000 --> 03:13:50,633
WE BELIEVE IT'S INCUMBENT TO

5873
03:13:50,633 --> 03:13:52,866
PROVIDE BASIC PROTECTIONS AS

5874
03:13:52,866 --> 03:13:56,233
OF BARBARA JORDAN DURING THE

5875
03:13:56,233 --> 03:13:56,900
WATERGATE HRLING.

5876
03:13:56,900 --> 03:14:01,500
IT MANDATES DUE PROCESS

5877
03:14:01,500 --> 03:14:01,900
QUADRUPLED.

5878
03:14:01,900 --> 03:14:03,000
>> AND THE SAME MINORITY VIEW

5879
03:14:03,000 --> 03:14:04,733
SUPPORTS THE RIGHT TO

5880
03:14:04,733 --> 03:14:05,900
CROSS-EXAMINATION IN A VARIETY

5881
03:14:05,900 --> 03:14:09,500
OF CONTEXT IN THE CLINTON

5882
03:14:09,500 --> 03:14:09,833
EXAMPLE.

5883
03:14:09,833 --> 03:14:12,200
NOW PROFESSOR TURLEY, YOU

5884
03:14:12,200 --> 03:14:15,466
DESCRIBED HOW MONICA LEWINSKY

5885
03:14:15,466 --> 03:14:17,100
WASN'T ALLOWED TO BE CALLED IN

5886
03:14:17,100 --> 03:14:18,833
THE IMPEACHMENT HEARING, AND

5887
03:14:18,833 --> 03:14:20,566
REVEALED HOW SHE HAD BEEN TOLD

5888
03:14:20,566 --> 03:14:23,433
TO LIE ABOUT HER RELATIONSHIP

5889
03:14:23,433 --> 03:14:24,466
WITH PRESIDENT CLINTON.

5890
03:14:24,466 --> 03:14:26,666
AS A CAUTIONARY TALE ABOUT THE

5891
03:14:26,666 --> 03:14:29,366
DANGERS OF DENYING KEY

5892
03:14:29,366 --> 03:14:29,800
WITNESSES.

5893
03:14:29,800 --> 03:14:30,433
CAN ELABORATE ON TA?

5894
03:14:30,433 --> 03:14:32,633
>> THAT WAS A PORTION OF MY

5895
03:14:32,633 --> 03:14:34,100
TESTIMONY DEALING WITH HOW YOU

5896
03:14:34,100 --> 03:14:35,733
STRUCTURE THESE IMPEACHMENTS.

5897
03:14:35,733 --> 03:14:37,066
WHAT HAPPENED DURING THE

5898
03:14:37,066 --> 03:14:38,566
CLINTON IMPEACHMENT, AND IT

5899
03:14:38,566 --> 03:14:40,066
CAME UP DURING THE HEARING

5900
03:14:40,066 --> 03:14:43,100
THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY, WAS A

5901
03:14:43,100 --> 03:14:45,500
QUESTION OF HOW MUCH THE HOUSE

5902
03:14:45,500 --> 03:14:49,500
HAD TO DO IN TERMS OF THE

5903
03:14:49,500 --> 03:14:52,500
ROBUST RECORD CREATED BY THE

5904
03:14:52,500 --> 03:14:53,033
INDEPENDENT COUNCIL.

5905
03:14:53,033 --> 03:14:55,866
THEY HAD A LOT OF TESTIMONY,

5906
03:14:55,866 --> 03:14:56,933
VIDEOTAPES, ET CETERA.

5907
03:14:56,933 --> 03:14:58,700
THE HOUSE BASICALLY

5908
03:14:58,700 --> 03:15:00,933
INCORPORATED THAT, AND THE

5909
03:15:00,933 --> 03:15:02,266
ASSUMPTION WAS THAT THOSE

5910
03:15:02,266 --> 03:15:03,866
WITNESSES WOULD BE CALLED AT

5911
03:15:03,866 --> 03:15:05,333
THE SENATE, BUT THERE WAS A

5912
03:15:05,333 --> 03:15:07,466
FAILURE AT THE SENATE, AND THE

5913
03:15:07,466 --> 03:15:09,933
RULES WERE APPLIED, AND IN MY

5914
03:15:09,933 --> 03:15:12,200
VIEW WERE NOT FAIR.

5915
03:15:12,200 --> 03:15:13,800
THEY RESTRICTED WITNESSES TO

5916
03:15:13,800 --> 03:15:15,233
ONLY THREE.

5917
03:15:15,233 --> 03:15:21,333
THAT'S WHAT I BROUGHT UP THE

5918
03:15:21,333 --> 03:15:21,800
LEWINSKY MATTER.

5919
03:15:21,800 --> 03:15:23,333
MONICA WAS TOLD IF HE SIGNED

5920
03:15:23,333 --> 03:15:24,866
THE AFFIDAVIT THAT WAS UNTRUE,

5921
03:15:24,866 --> 03:15:26,900
THAT SHE WOULD NOT BE CALLED

5922
03:15:26,900 --> 03:15:27,933
AS A WITNESS.

5923
03:15:27,933 --> 03:15:30,900
IF YOU ACTUALLY CALLED LIVE

5924
03:15:30,900 --> 03:15:31,566
WITNESSES THAT INFORMATION

5925
03:15:31,566 --> 03:15:34,033
WOULD HAVE BEEN PART OF THE

5926
03:15:34,033 --> 03:15:35,233
RECORD.

5927
03:15:35,233 --> 03:15:36,500
>> GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK.

5928
03:15:36,500 --> 03:15:37,433
I NOTE THIS IS A MOMENT IN

5929
03:15:37,433 --> 03:15:38,666
WHICH THE WHITE HOUSE WOULD

5930
03:15:38,666 --> 03:15:41,200
HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO

5931
03:15:41,200 --> 03:15:42,100
QUESTION THE WITNESSES.

5932
03:15:42,100 --> 03:15:43,966
THEY DECLINED THEIR

5933
03:15:43,966 --> 03:15:44,366
INVITATION.

5934
03:15:44,366 --> 03:15:46,800
WE WILL NOT PROCEED TO

5935
03:15:46,800 --> 03:15:48,866
QUESTIONS UNDER THE 5 MINUTE

5936
03:15:48,866 --> 03:15:49,233
RULE.

5937
03:15:49,233 --> 03:15:51,433
I YIELD MYSELF FIVE MINUTES

5938
03:15:51,433 --> 03:15:53,400
FOR THE PURPOSE OF QUESTIONING

5939
03:15:53,400 --> 03:15:53,833
THE WITNESSES.

5940
03:15:53,833 --> 03:15:56,300
>> MR. FELDMAN, WOULD YOU SND

5941
03:15:56,300 --> 03:15:58,100
TO PROFESSOR TURLEY'S COMMENTS

5942
03:15:58,100 --> 03:15:59,433
ABOUT BRIBERY, ESPECIALLY THE

5943
03:15:59,433 --> 03:16:03,466
RELEVANCE OF THE ELEMENTS OF

5944
03:16:03,466 --> 03:16:04,166
CRIMINAL BRIBERY?

5945
03:16:04,166 --> 03:16:04,633
>> YES.

5946
03:16:04,633 --> 03:16:07,466
BRIBERY HAD A CLEAR MEANING TO

5947
03:16:07,466 --> 03:16:07,866
THE FRAMERS.

5948
03:16:07,866 --> 03:16:09,933
IT WAS WHEN THE PRESIDENT,

5949
03:16:09,933 --> 03:16:13,533
USING THE POWER OF HIS OFFICE

5950
03:16:13,533 --> 03:16:14,333
SOLICITS OR RECEIVE THE

5951
03:16:14,333 --> 03:16:17,200
SOMETHING OF PERSONAL VALUE

5952
03:16:17,200 --> 03:16:18,033
FROM SOMEONE IN POWER.

5953
03:16:18,033 --> 03:16:20,266
I WANT TO BE CLEAR, THE

5954
03:16:20,266 --> 03:16:21,100
CONSTITUTION IS LAW.

5955
03:16:21,100 --> 03:16:22,133
THE CONSTITUTION IS THE

5956
03:16:22,133 --> 03:16:23,466
SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND.

5957
03:16:23,466 --> 03:16:25,733
OF COURSE, PROFESSOR TURLEY IS

5958
03:16:25,733 --> 03:16:27,466
RIGHT, YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO

5959
03:16:27,466 --> 03:16:30,133
IMPEACH SOMEBODY WHO DIDN'T

5960
03:16:30,133 --> 03:16:31,433
VIOLATE THE LAW.

5961
03:16:31,433 --> 03:16:35,433
BUT IT SPECIFIES OTHER HIGH

5962
03:16:35,433 --> 03:16:36,600
CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS.

5963
03:16:36,600 --> 03:16:38,066
BRIBERY HAD A CLEAR MEANING.

5964
03:16:38,066 --> 03:16:40,466
IF THE HOUSE BELIEVES THAT THE

5965
03:16:40,466 --> 03:16:41,766
PRESIDENT SOLICITED SOMETHING

5966
03:16:41,766 --> 03:16:44,400
OF VALUE IN THE FORM OF

5967
03:16:44,400 --> 03:16:45,833
INVESTIGATIONS OR ANNOUNCEMENT

5968
03:16:45,833 --> 03:16:48,166
OF INVESTIGATIONS, AND DID SO

5969
03:16:48,166 --> 03:16:50,133
CORRUPTLY FOR PERSONAL GAIN,

5970
03:16:50,133 --> 03:16:51,233
THAT WOULD CONSTITUTE BRIBERY

5971
03:16:51,233 --> 03:16:52,800
UNDER THE MEANING OF THE

5972
03:16:52,800 --> 03:16:54,200
CONSTITUTION, AND IT WOULDN'T

5973
03:16:54,200 --> 03:16:54,600
BE LAWLESS.

5974
03:16:54,600 --> 03:16:58,100
IT WOULD BELIEVE BRIBERY UNDER

5975
03:16:58,100 --> 03:16:58,600
THE LAW.

5976
03:16:58,600 --> 03:17:00,733
SO THE -- SO THE SUPREME COURT

5977
03:17:00,733 --> 03:17:02,966
CASE IN MACDONALD INTERPRETING

5978
03:17:02,966 --> 03:17:04,166
THE FEDERAL BRIBERY STATUTE

5979
03:17:04,166 --> 03:17:05,666
AND OTHER DECISIONS

5980
03:17:05,666 --> 03:17:06,533
INTERPRETING THE STATUTE

5981
03:17:06,533 --> 03:17:07,600
WOULDN'T BE RELEVANT?

5982
03:17:07,600 --> 03:17:09,533
>> THE CONSTITUTION IS THE

5983
03:17:09,533 --> 03:17:11,333
SUPREME LAW, AND THE

5984
03:17:11,333 --> 03:17:14,066
CONSTITUTION SPECIFIES WHAT

5985
03:17:14,066 --> 03:17:14,500
BRIBERY MEANS.

5986
03:17:14,500 --> 03:17:17,033
FEDERAL STATUTES CAN'T TRUMP

5987
03:17:17,033 --> 03:17:17,533
THE CONSTITUTION.

5988
03:17:17,533 --> 03:17:18,633
THEY CAN'T BE IN THE

5989
03:17:18,633 --> 03:17:19,433
CONSTITUTION.

5990
03:17:19,433 --> 03:17:21,733
>> PROFESSOR GERHARDT WOULD

5991
03:17:21,733 --> 03:17:22,466
YOU RESPOND TO THE OBSTRUCTION

5992
03:17:22,466 --> 03:17:25,800
OF JUSTICE OR OBSTRUCTION OF

5993
03:17:25,800 --> 03:17:26,466
JUSTICE, PLEASE?

5994
03:17:26,466 --> 03:17:27,166
>> ON OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE,

5995
03:17:27,166 --> 03:17:28,866
ONE THING I WANT TO EMPHASIZE

5996
03:17:28,866 --> 03:17:29,733
IS OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE IS

5997
03:17:29,733 --> 03:17:32,700
NOT JUST ABOUT OBSTRUCTION OF

5998
03:17:32,700 --> 03:17:33,033
A COURT.

5999
03:17:33,033 --> 03:17:35,466
IT'S OBSTRUCTION OF ANY LAWFUL

6000
03:17:35,466 --> 03:17:36,933
PROCEEDING.

6001
03:17:36,933 --> 03:17:38,933
SO THAT OBSTRUCTION ISN'T

6002
03:17:38,933 --> 03:17:40,000
LIMITING TO WHATEVER IS

6003
03:17:40,000 --> 03:17:42,466
HAPPENING ON THE COURTS, AND

6004
03:17:42,466 --> 03:17:46,033
OBVIOUSLY HERE, THERE ARE

6005
03:17:46,033 --> 03:17:48,600
JUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS, AND ALSO

6006
03:17:48,600 --> 03:17:50,366
A CRITICAL CONGRESSIONAL

6007
03:17:50,366 --> 03:17:51,933
PROCEEDING BRINGING US TO

6008
03:17:51,933 --> 03:17:52,866
OBSTRUCTION OF CONGRESS.

6009
03:17:52,866 --> 03:17:53,866
WITH OBSTRUCTION OF CONGRESS,

6010
03:17:53,866 --> 03:17:55,433
I DON'T THINK -- IN FACT, I

6011
03:17:55,433 --> 03:17:57,766
CAN SAY, THERE'S NEVER BEEN

6012
03:17:57,766 --> 03:17:59,433
ANYTHING LIKE THE PRESIDENT'S

6013
03:17:59,433 --> 03:18:01,833
REFUSAL TO COMPLY WITH

6014
03:18:01,833 --> 03:18:03,133
SUBPOENAS FROM THIS BODY.

6015
03:18:03,133 --> 03:18:04,666
THESE ARE LAWFUL SUBPOENAS.

6016
03:18:04,666 --> 03:18:06,866
THESE ARE THE FORCE OF LAW TO

6017
03:18:06,866 --> 03:18:07,166
THEM.

6018
03:18:07,166 --> 03:18:08,200
THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT

6019
03:18:08,200 --> 03:18:09,933
EVERY OTHER PRESIDENT HAS

6020
03:18:09,933 --> 03:18:12,333
COMPLIED WITH, AND ACTUALLY

6021
03:18:12,333 --> 03:18:14,533
ACTED AND REACTED IN ALIGNMENT

6022
03:18:14,533 --> 03:18:17,700
EXCEPT FOR PRESIDENT NIXON IN

6023
03:18:17,700 --> 03:18:19,466
A SMALL SET OF MATERIALS.

6024
03:18:19,466 --> 03:18:21,433
>> PROFESSOR TURLEY IMPLIED IF

6025
03:18:21,433 --> 03:18:25,366
THE PRESIDENT ASSERTS

6026
03:18:25,366 --> 03:18:26,466
ULTMALTDLY NON-EXISTENT PROOF

6027
03:18:26,466 --> 03:18:27,700
LIKE ABSOLUTE IMMUNITY, HE

6028
03:18:27,700 --> 03:18:29,966
CAN'T BE CHARGED WITH

6029
03:18:29,966 --> 03:18:30,866
OBSTRUCTION OF CONGRESS

6030
03:18:30,866 --> 03:18:32,100
BECAUSE AFTERALL, IT HASN'T

6031
03:18:32,100 --> 03:18:33,433
BEEN THROUGH THE COURTS YET.

6032
03:18:33,433 --> 03:18:35,266
WOULD YOU COMMENT ON THAT MR.

6033
03:18:35,266 --> 03:18:35,633
GERHARDT?

6034
03:18:35,633 --> 03:18:37,933
>> I MISSED PART OF THE

6035
03:18:37,933 --> 03:18:38,500
QUESTION.

6036
03:18:38,500 --> 03:18:40,000
>> PROFESSOR TURLEY IMPLIED WE

6037
03:18:40,000 --> 03:18:41,166
CAN'T CHARGE THE PRESIDENT

6038
03:18:41,166 --> 03:18:43,133
WITH OBSTRUCTION OF CONGRESS

6039
03:18:43,133 --> 03:18:44,966
FOR REFUSING ALL SUBPOENAS AS

6040
03:18:44,966 --> 03:18:47,466
LONG AS HE HAS ANY FANCYFUL

6041
03:18:47,466 --> 03:18:52,133
CLAIM THIS WILL THE COURTS

6042
03:18:52,133 --> 03:18:53,866
REJECT THE CLAIMS.

6043
03:18:53,866 --> 03:18:56,533
>> HIS REFUSAL TO COMPLY IS AN

6044
03:18:56,533 --> 03:19:00,566
INDEPENDENT EVEN EVENT APART FR

6045
03:19:00,566 --> 03:19:03,500
THE COURTS AND AN ASSAULT ON

6046
03:19:03,500 --> 03:19:04,966
THE LEGITIMATE INQUIRY.

6047
03:19:04,966 --> 03:19:06,100
ISM THANK YOU.

6048
03:19:06,100 --> 03:19:07,766
>> PROFESSIONALS KARLAN, I'LL

6049
03:19:07,766 --> 03:19:09,100
GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO RESPOND

6050
03:19:09,100 --> 03:19:10,700
TO THE SAME QUESTION.

6051
03:19:10,700 --> 03:19:12,633
>> I WANTED TO RESPOND TO THE

6052
03:19:12,633 --> 03:19:15,666
FIRST QUESTION OF BRIBERY.

6053
03:19:15,666 --> 03:19:18,333
ALTHOUGH COUNSEL FOR THE

6054
03:19:18,333 --> 03:19:21,600
MINORITY READ SAMUEL JOHNSON'S

6055
03:19:21,600 --> 03:19:24,500
DEFINITIONS HE DIDN'T READ THE

6056
03:19:24,500 --> 03:19:25,333
DEFINITION OF BRIBERY.

6057
03:19:25,333 --> 03:19:29,266
I HAVE THE 1792 VERSION OF

6058
03:19:29,266 --> 03:19:29,833
JOHNSON'S DICTIONARY.

6059
03:19:29,833 --> 03:19:30,833
I DON'T HAVE THE INITIAL ONE.

6060
03:19:30,833 --> 03:19:33,433
AND THERE HE DEFINES BRIBERY

6061
03:19:33,433 --> 03:19:36,533
AS THE CRIME OF GIVING OR

6062
03:19:36,533 --> 03:19:38,333
TAKING REWARDS FOR BAD

6063
03:19:38,333 --> 03:19:38,700
PRACTICES.

6064
03:19:38,700 --> 03:19:40,166
>> DO YOU THINK IT'S A BAD

6065
03:19:40,166 --> 03:19:42,000
PRACTICE TO DENY MILITARY

6066
03:19:42,000 --> 03:19:43,766
APPROPRIATIONS TO AN ALLY THAT

6067
03:19:43,766 --> 03:19:45,300
HAS BEEN GIVEN TO?

6068
03:19:45,300 --> 03:19:47,466
IF YOU CAN GET THE BAD

6069
03:19:47,466 --> 03:19:49,933
PRACTICE NOT TO HOLD A MEETING

6070
03:19:49,933 --> 03:19:52,300
TO BUCK UP THE LEGITIMACY OF

6071
03:19:52,300 --> 03:19:53,400
THE GOVERNMENT ON THE FRONT

6072
03:19:53,400 --> 03:19:55,366
LINE, AND YOU DO THAT IN

6073
03:19:55,366 --> 03:19:57,800
RETURN FOR THE REWARD OF

6074
03:19:57,800 --> 03:20:00,600
GETTING HELP WITH YOUR

6075
03:20:00,600 --> 03:20:01,333
RE-ELECTION.

6076
03:20:01,333 --> 03:20:03,133
THAT'S SAMUEL JOHNSON'S

6077
03:20:03,133 --> 03:20:03,700
DEFINITION OF BRIBERY.

6078
03:20:03,700 --> 03:20:05,333
>> THANK YOU.

6079
03:20:05,333 --> 03:20:06,833
IF WASHINGTON WERE HERE TODAY

6080
03:20:06,833 --> 03:20:08,333
AND JOINED BY MADISON AND

6081
03:20:08,333 --> 03:20:10,100
HAMILTON AND OTHER FRAMERS,

6082
03:20:10,100 --> 03:20:11,166
WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE THEY WOULD

6083
03:20:11,166 --> 03:20:13,400
SAY TO THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED

6084
03:20:13,400 --> 03:20:15,033
BEFORE US ABOUT PRESIDENT

6085
03:20:15,033 --> 03:20:15,500
TRUMP'S CONDUCT?

6086
03:20:15,500 --> 03:20:19,133
>> I BELIEVE THEY WOULD SAY

6087
03:20:19,133 --> 03:20:20,633
PRESIDENT TRUMP'S CONDUCT IS A

6088
03:20:20,633 --> 03:20:22,033
HIGH CRIME AND MISDEMEANOR

6089
03:20:22,033 --> 03:20:24,133
THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT, AND

6090
03:20:24,133 --> 03:20:24,633
WANT THE HOUSE OF

6091
03:20:24,633 --> 03:20:25,733
REPRESENTATIVES TO TAKE ACTION

6092
03:20:25,733 --> 03:20:26,200
AND TO IMPEACH.

6093
03:20:26,200 --> 03:20:28,133
>> AND THEY WOULD FIND

6094
03:20:28,133 --> 03:20:33,133
OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE,

6095
03:20:33,133 --> 03:20:34,300
OBSTRUCTION OF CONGRESSOR ONE

6096
03:20:34,300 --> 03:20:35,333
OF THEM?

6097
03:20:35,333 --> 03:20:36,633
>> IF CONGRESS DETERMINES

6098
03:20:36,633 --> 03:20:39,066
THAT'S WHAT THE EVIDENCE MEANS

6099
03:20:39,066 --> 03:20:40,833
THEY WOULD BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT

6100
03:20:40,833 --> 03:20:41,533
CONGRESS OUGHT TO DO.

6101
03:20:41,533 --> 03:20:43,033
>> THANK YOU.

6102
03:20:43,033 --> 03:20:45,600
I YIELD BACK THE BALANCE OF MY

6103
03:20:45,600 --> 03:20:47,400
TIME AND EVIDENCE THE

6104
03:20:47,400 --> 03:20:49,133
GENTLEMAN FROM GEORGIA, MR.

6105
03:20:49,133 --> 03:20:51,100
COLLINS FOR FIVE MINUTES OF

6106
03:20:51,100 --> 03:20:51,500
QUESTIONING.

6107
03:20:51,500 --> 03:20:54,033
>> THIS JUST KEEPS GETTING

6108
03:20:54,033 --> 03:20:54,466
MORE AMAZING.

6109
03:20:54,466 --> 03:20:57,333
WE JUST PUT IN THE JURY POOL

6110
03:20:57,333 --> 03:20:57,900
THE FOUNDING FATHERS.

6111
03:20:57,900 --> 03:20:59,433
INSTEAD WHAT WOULD THEY THINK.

6112
03:20:59,433 --> 03:21:01,033
WE DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT

6113
03:21:01,033 --> 03:21:03,433
THEY WOULD THINKh#iM ALL DUE

6114
03:21:03,433 --> 03:21:04,733
RESPECT WITH THIS -- BECAUSE

6115
03:21:04,733 --> 03:21:07,233
OF THE DIFFERENT TIMES AND

6116
03:21:07,233 --> 03:21:07,833
THINGS WE TALK ABOUT.

6117
03:21:07,833 --> 03:21:10,666
IN SOME WAY INSINUATE WITH A

6118
03:21:10,666 --> 03:21:12,233
LOT OF PEOPLE LISTENING THAT

6119
03:21:12,233 --> 03:21:13,533
THE FOUNDING FATHERS WOULD

6120
03:21:13,533 --> 03:21:16,766
HAVE FOUND PRESIDENT TRUMP

6121
03:21:16,766 --> 03:21:17,666
GUILTY IS SIMPLY MALPRACTICE

6122
03:21:17,666 --> 03:21:19,233
WITH THE FACTS BEFORE US.

6123
03:21:19,233 --> 03:21:23,166
THAT IS SIMPLY PAPDERING TO A

6124
03:21:23,166 --> 03:21:25,233
CAMERA AND NOT RIGHT.

6125
03:21:25,233 --> 03:21:26,333
THIS IS AMAZING.

6126
03:21:26,333 --> 03:21:27,433
WE CAN DISAGREE.

6127
03:21:27,433 --> 03:21:28,166
WHAT'S AMAZING ON THE

6128
03:21:28,166 --> 03:21:30,700
COMMITTEE IS WE DON'T EVEN

6129
03:21:30,700 --> 03:21:31,333
DISAGREE ON THE FACTS.

6130
03:21:31,333 --> 03:21:34,366
WE CAN'T FIND A FACT RIGHT NOW

6131
03:21:34,366 --> 03:21:35,400
WHETHER GOING TO THE PUBLIC

6132
03:21:35,400 --> 03:21:37,700
TESTIMONY, AND EVEN THE

6133
03:21:37,700 --> 03:21:38,100
TRANSCRIPT.

6134
03:21:38,100 --> 03:21:39,033
IT IS NOT.

6135
03:21:39,033 --> 03:21:42,066
MR. TURLEY, ARE WE GOING TO

6136
03:21:42,066 --> 03:21:43,433
DEPUTIZE SOMEONE IN THE JURY

6137
03:21:43,433 --> 03:21:43,866
POOL HERE.

6138
03:21:43,866 --> 03:21:46,700
>> FIRST OF ALL, ONLY I WILL

6139
03:21:46,700 --> 03:21:49,400
SPEAK FOR JAMES MADISON.

6140
03:21:49,400 --> 03:21:49,733
NO.

6141
03:21:49,733 --> 03:21:51,933
WE WILL ALL SPEAK FOR MADISON

6142
03:21:51,933 --> 03:21:55,400
WITH THE SAME LEVEL OF

6143
03:21:55,400 --> 03:21:58,133
ACCURACY.

6144
03:21:58,133 --> 03:21:59,233
IT'S SOMETHING ACADEMICS DO

6145
03:21:59,233 --> 03:22:00,333
ALL THE TIME.

6146
03:22:00,333 --> 03:22:02,533
THAT'S WHAT WE GET PAID FOR.

6147
03:22:02,533 --> 03:22:04,600
FIRST OF ALL, I FIND IT

6148
03:22:04,600 --> 03:22:06,266
SURPRISING YOU WOULD HAVE

6149
03:22:06,266 --> 03:22:07,266
GEORGE WASHINGTON IN THE JURY

6150
03:22:07,266 --> 03:22:07,566
POOL.

6151
03:22:07,566 --> 03:22:09,333
I WOULD STRIKE HIM FOR CAUSE.

6152
03:22:09,333 --> 03:22:10,633
GEORGE WASHINGTON WAS THE

6153
03:22:10,633 --> 03:22:13,633
FIRST GUY TO RAISE EXTREME

6154
03:22:13,633 --> 03:22:14,366
EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE CLAIMS.

6155
03:22:14,366 --> 03:22:17,100
HE HAD A ROBUST VIEW OF WHAT A

6156
03:22:17,100 --> 03:22:17,666
PRESIDENT COULD SAY.

6157
03:22:17,666 --> 03:22:19,200
IF YOU WERE GOING TO MAKE A

6158
03:22:19,200 --> 03:22:20,766
CASE TO GEORGE WASHINGTON THAT

6159
03:22:20,766 --> 03:22:22,066
YOU COULD IMPEACH OVER A

6160
03:22:22,066 --> 03:22:23,166
CONVERSATION HE HAD WITH

6161
03:22:23,166 --> 03:22:26,900
ANOTHER HEAD OF STATE, I

6162
03:22:26,900 --> 03:22:28,700
EXPECT HIS POWDERED HAIR WOULD

6163
03:22:28,700 --> 03:22:29,733
CATCH ON FIRE.

6164
03:22:29,733 --> 03:22:32,800
ALSO I I NOTE ONE OTHER THING.

6165
03:22:32,800 --> 03:22:35,900
I AM IMPRESSED WITH AN 18th

6166
03:22:35,900 --> 03:22:38,433
CENTURY COPY OF SAMUEL JOHNSON

6167
03:22:38,433 --> 03:22:38,800
WITH YOU.

6168
03:22:38,800 --> 03:22:41,700
>> IT'S JUST THE ONLINE

6169
03:22:41,700 --> 03:22:42,033
VERSION.

6170
03:22:42,033 --> 03:22:45,866
>> AND AS AN ACADEMIC, I WAS

6171
03:22:45,866 --> 03:22:46,233
IMPRESSED.

6172
03:22:46,233 --> 03:22:48,666
I JUST WANT TO NOTE ONE THING

6173
03:22:48,666 --> 03:22:51,333
WHICH MAY EXPLAIN PART OF OUR

6174
03:22:51,333 --> 03:22:52,166
DIFFERENCE.

6175
03:22:52,166 --> 03:22:58,266
THE STATUTES TODAY ON BROADLY.

6176
03:22:58,266 --> 03:22:58,900
THAT'S THE POINT.

6177
03:22:58,900 --> 03:23:02,133
THE MEANING OF THOSE WORDS ARE

6178
03:23:02,133 --> 03:23:02,933
SUBJECT TO INTERPRETATION.

6179
03:23:02,933 --> 03:23:04,233
THEY'RE WRITTEN BROADLY

6180
03:23:04,233 --> 03:23:05,100
BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT THEM

6181
03:23:05,100 --> 03:23:06,233
TO BE TOO NARROW.

6182
03:23:06,233 --> 03:23:08,166
THAT WAS THE CASE IN THE 18TH

6183
03:23:08,166 --> 03:23:09,266
ANC AS OF TODAY.

6184
03:23:09,266 --> 03:23:11,000
BUT THE IDEA THAT BAD

6185
03:23:11,000 --> 03:23:13,266
PRACTICES COULD BE THE

6186
03:23:13,266 --> 03:23:15,433
DEFINITION OF BRIBERY?

6187
03:23:15,433 --> 03:23:16,500
REALLY?

6188
03:23:16,500 --> 03:23:19,433
IS THAT WHAT YOU GET FROM THE

6189
03:23:19,433 --> 03:23:20,900
CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION,

6190
03:23:20,900 --> 03:23:23,800
THAT BAD PRACTICES -- IS THAT

6191
03:23:23,800 --> 03:23:27,433
WHY MASON WANTED TO PUT IN

6192
03:23:27,433 --> 03:23:28,566
MALADMINISTRATION, BECAUSE BAD

6193
03:23:28,566 --> 03:23:30,133
PRACTICES IS NOT BROAD ENOUGH.

6194
03:23:30,133 --> 03:23:31,433
THIS IS WHERE I DISAGREE.

6195
03:23:31,433 --> 03:23:33,633
NOW THE OTHER THING I JUST

6196
03:23:33,633 --> 03:23:36,466
WANTED TO NOTE, AND IT'S -- I

6197
03:23:36,466 --> 03:23:38,866
HAVE SO MUCH RESPECT FOR NOAH,

6198
03:23:38,866 --> 03:23:41,300
AND I DISAGREE WITH ON THIS

6199
03:23:41,300 --> 03:23:41,600
POINT.

6200
03:23:41,600 --> 03:23:43,266
I FEEL IT'S A CIRCULAR

6201
03:23:43,266 --> 03:23:45,933
ARGUMENT TO SAY WELL, THE

6202
03:23:45,933 --> 03:23:46,600
CONSTITUTION IS LAW.

6203
03:23:46,600 --> 03:23:48,666
UPON THAT, WE ARE IN

6204
03:23:48,666 --> 03:23:49,200
AGREEMENT.

6205
03:23:49,200 --> 03:23:51,333
BUT THE CONSTITUTION REFERS TO

6206
03:23:51,333 --> 03:23:51,666
A CRIME.

6207
03:23:51,666 --> 03:23:53,666
TO SAY WELL, YOU CAN'T TRUMP

6208
03:23:53,666 --> 03:23:55,400
THE CONSTITUTION BAUTZ IT

6209
03:23:55,400 --> 03:23:56,500
DEFINES THE CRIME.

6210
03:23:56,500 --> 03:23:58,266
IT DOESN'T DEFINE THE CRIME,

6211
03:23:58,266 --> 03:23:59,966
IT REFERENCES THE CRIME.

6212
03:23:59,966 --> 03:24:02,000
THE CRIME EXAMPLES WERE GIVEN

6213
03:24:02,000 --> 03:24:03,466
DURING THE CONSTITUTIONAL

6214
03:24:03,466 --> 03:24:04,766
CONVENTION AND THEY DON'T

6215
03:24:04,766 --> 03:24:06,433
COMPORT WITH BAD PRACTICE.

6216
03:24:06,433 --> 03:24:08,200
THEY COMPORT WITH REAL

6217
03:24:08,200 --> 03:24:08,533
BRIBERY.

6218
03:24:08,533 --> 03:24:09,900
BUT TO SAY THE SUPREME COURT'S

6219
03:24:09,900 --> 03:24:11,866
DECISION ON WHAT CONSTITUTES

6220
03:24:11,866 --> 03:24:15,433
BRIBERY IS SOMEHOW IRRELEVANT

6221
03:24:15,433 --> 03:24:16,700
IS RATHER ODD.

6222
03:24:16,700 --> 03:24:17,800
WHAT THE CONSTITUTION CONTAINS

6223
03:24:17,800 --> 03:24:19,333
IS A REFERENCE TO A CRIME AND

6224
03:24:19,333 --> 03:24:21,433
WE HAVE TO DECIDE IF THE CRIME

6225
03:24:21,433 --> 03:24:21,866
IS COMMITTED.

6226
03:24:21,866 --> 03:24:23,266
>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME

6227
03:24:23,266 --> 03:24:25,733
OUT A SECOND AGO WAS THE

6228
03:24:25,733 --> 03:24:27,266
DISCUSSION OF -- WE HAD THE

6229
03:24:27,266 --> 03:24:29,533
DISCUSSION EARLIER ABOUT IS

6230
03:24:29,533 --> 03:24:31,400
THE PRESIDENTIAL, AND MEMBERS

6231
03:24:31,400 --> 03:24:33,900
OF THE PRESIDENT'S CABINET TO

6232
03:24:33,900 --> 03:24:35,366
ASSERT PRIVILEGES AND RIGHTS.

6233
03:24:35,366 --> 03:24:38,200
WE TALKED ABOUT THE FAST AND

6234
03:24:38,200 --> 03:24:38,633
FURIOUS OBAMA.

6235
03:24:38,633 --> 03:24:40,866
AND HELD IN CONTEMPT BY THIS

6236
03:24:40,866 --> 03:24:43,400
BODY FOR NOT COMPLYING WITH

6237
03:24:43,400 --> 03:24:43,766
SUBPOENAS.

6238
03:24:43,766 --> 03:24:47,333
YOU DON'T PICK AND CHOOSE

6239
03:24:47,333 --> 03:24:47,666
HISTORY.

6240
03:24:47,666 --> 03:24:50,400
YOU ALSO MADE A STATEMENT, AND

6241
03:24:50,400 --> 03:24:50,833
BAD PRACTICE.

6242
03:24:50,833 --> 03:24:52,033
IT'S ALSO THE LAW OF THE LAND

6243
03:24:52,033 --> 03:24:54,233
THAT WE ARE SUPPOSEED TO

6244
03:24:54,233 --> 03:24:55,333
ENSURE THAT COUNTRY'S GIVEN

6245
03:24:55,333 --> 03:24:56,266
AID ARE NOT CORRUPT.

6246
03:24:56,266 --> 03:24:58,633
I THINK THIS IS ALSO SOMETHING

6247
03:24:58,633 --> 03:24:59,933
MISSING FROM THIS DISCUSSION.

6248
03:24:59,933 --> 03:25:02,633
WELL, IF THE PRESIDENT HAS HAD

6249
03:25:02,633 --> 03:25:05,100
A LONG SEATED DISTRUST OF

6250
03:25:05,100 --> 03:25:06,800
FOREIGN COUNTRY, , UKRAINE AND

6251
03:25:06,800 --> 03:25:08,366
OTHERS WITH A HISTORY OF

6252
03:25:08,366 --> 03:25:08,766
CORRUPTION.

6253
03:25:08,766 --> 03:25:10,466
I MADE THE STATEMENT EARLIER

6254
03:25:10,466 --> 03:25:13,600
AND IT'S IN THE REPORT, 68% OF

6255
03:25:13,600 --> 03:25:14,933
THOSE POLLED IN THE UKRAINE

6256
03:25:14,933 --> 03:25:16,666
OVER THE PREVIOUS YEAR HAD

6257
03:25:16,666 --> 03:25:18,433
BRIBED A PUBLIC OFFICIAL.

6258
03:25:18,433 --> 03:25:19,966
UKRAINE HAD CORRUPTION ISSUES.

6259
03:25:19,966 --> 03:25:21,766
IT CAME OUT FROM THE OBAMA

6260
03:25:21,766 --> 03:25:22,466
ADMINISTRATION AND THE TRUMP

6261
03:25:22,466 --> 03:25:23,933
ADMINISTRATION AND OUR RULE IS

6262
03:25:23,933 --> 03:25:25,800
THAT THEY HAVE TO ACTUALLY

6263
03:25:25,800 --> 03:25:29,733
LOOK AT THE CORRUPTION BEFORE

6264
03:25:29,733 --> 03:25:30,366
GIVING TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

6265
03:25:30,366 --> 03:25:31,866
THE PRESIDENT WAS DOING THAT,

6266
03:25:31,866 --> 03:25:33,433
AD NOW IT'S BLOWN UP.

6267
03:25:33,433 --> 03:25:35,133
WE FOUND OUT IN THE HEARING

6268
03:25:35,133 --> 03:25:36,933
FACTS REALLY DON'T MATTER IF

6269
03:25:36,933 --> 03:25:39,066
WE'RE TRYING TO FIT IT INTO A

6270
03:25:39,066 --> 03:25:41,833
BREAKING OF LAW OR A RULE TO

6271
03:25:41,833 --> 03:25:42,233
IMPEACH ON.

6272
03:25:42,233 --> 03:25:43,700
THE REASON WE'RE DOING THIS IS

6273
03:25:43,700 --> 03:25:45,200
THE TRAIN IS ON THE TRACK,

6274
03:25:45,200 --> 03:25:47,166
THIS IS A CLOCK CALENDAR

6275
03:25:47,166 --> 03:25:49,833
IMPEACHMENT, NOT A FACT

6276
03:25:49,833 --> 03:25:50,233
IMPEACHMENT.

6277
03:25:50,233 --> 03:25:50,800
I YIELD BACK.

6278
03:25:50,800 --> 03:25:55,433
>> GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK AND I

6279
03:25:55,433 --> 03:25:57,866
RECOGNIZE MISS LOFGREN FOR

6280
03:25:57,866 --> 03:25:58,300
FIVE MINUTES.

6281
03:25:58,300 --> 03:25:58,700
>> THANK YOU

6282
03:25:58,700 --> 03:26:00,500
THIS IS ONLY THE THIRD TIME IN

6283
03:26:00,500 --> 03:26:02,000
MODERN HISTORY THAT THE

6284
03:26:02,000 --> 03:26:04,300
COMMITTEE HAS ASSUMED THE

6285
03:26:04,300 --> 03:26:06,066
GRAVE RESPONSIBILITY OF

6286
03:26:06,066 --> 03:26:07,300
CONSIDERING IMPEACHMENT, AND

6287
03:26:07,300 --> 03:26:08,600
ODDLY ENOUGH, I'VE BEEN

6288
03:26:08,600 --> 03:26:10,133
PRESENT AT ALL THREE.

6289
03:26:10,133 --> 03:26:13,066
I WAS THE STAFF OF CONGRESSMAN

6290
03:26:13,066 --> 03:26:16,400
JOHN EDWARDS DURING THE NIXON

6291
03:26:16,400 --> 03:26:16,800
IMPEACHMENT.

6292
03:26:16,800 --> 03:26:17,600
PRESENT ON THE COMMITTEE

6293
03:26:17,600 --> 03:26:18,700
DURING THE CLINTON

6294
03:26:18,700 --> 03:26:21,066
IMPEACHMENT, AND HERE WE ARE

6295
03:26:21,066 --> 03:26:21,833
TODAY.

6296
03:26:21,833 --> 03:26:23,466
ALT ITS CORE, I SEE

6297
03:26:23,466 --> 03:26:25,233
IMPEACHMENT POWER REALLY ABOUT

6298
03:26:25,233 --> 03:26:28,033
THE PRESERVATION OF OUR

6299
03:26:28,033 --> 03:26:28,533
DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM.

6300
03:26:28,533 --> 03:26:30,333
THE QUESTION WE MUST ANSWER IS

6301
03:26:30,333 --> 03:26:32,366
WHETHER THE ACTIVITY OF THE

6302
03:26:32,366 --> 03:26:33,633
PRESIDENT THREATENS OUR

6303
03:26:33,633 --> 03:26:36,466
CONSTITUTION AND OUR

6304
03:26:36,466 --> 03:26:37,566
DEMOCRACY, AND IT'S ABOUT

6305
03:26:37,566 --> 03:26:39,433
WHETHER HE'S ABOVE THE LAW,

6306
03:26:39,433 --> 03:26:41,566
AND WHETHER HE'S HONORING HIS

6307
03:26:41,566 --> 03:26:43,433
OATH OF OFFICE.

6308
03:26:43,433 --> 03:26:46,733
NOW, THE HOUSE JUDICIARY

6309
03:26:46,733 --> 03:26:48,300
COMMITTEE STAFF, WROTE AN

6310
03:26:48,300 --> 03:26:49,800
EXCELLENT REPORT IN 1974.

6311
03:26:49,800 --> 03:26:52,466
THIS IS WHAT THEY SAID.

6312
03:26:52,466 --> 03:26:54,866
"IMPEACHMENT OF A PRESIDENT IS

6313
03:26:54,866 --> 03:26:58,200
A GRAVE STEP FOR THE NATION.

6314
03:26:58,200 --> 03:27:00,700
IT'S PREDICATED ONLY UPON

6315
03:27:00,700 --> 03:27:01,733
CONDUCT SERIOUSLY

6316
03:27:01,733 --> 03:27:02,866
INCOMPATSIBLE WITH THE

6317
03:27:02,866 --> 03:27:04,566
CONSTITUTIONAL FORM AND

6318
03:27:04,566 --> 03:27:06,800
PRINCIPLE OF OUR GOVERNMENT

6319
03:27:06,800 --> 03:27:09,933
WHERE THE PROPER PERFORMANCE

6320
03:27:09,933 --> 03:27:12,366
OF CONSTITUTIONAL DUTIES OF

6321
03:27:12,366 --> 03:27:12,900
THE PRESIDENT."

6322
03:27:12,900 --> 03:27:16,433
AND I'D ASK CONSENT TO ENTER

6323
03:27:16,433 --> 03:27:20,066
THE REPORT ON GROUNDS TO THE

6324
03:27:20,066 --> 03:27:20,400
REPORT.

6325
03:27:20,400 --> 03:27:22,666
>> WITH NIXON, THE ALLEGATIONS

6326
03:27:22,666 --> 03:27:24,400
AGAINST PRESIDENT TRUMP

6327
03:27:24,400 --> 03:27:26,666
INVOLVED ELECTION RELATED

6328
03:27:26,666 --> 03:27:27,466
MISCONDUCT.

6329
03:27:27,466 --> 03:27:30,033
NIXON'S ASSOCIATES BURGLARIZED

6330
03:27:30,033 --> 03:27:31,100
THE DNC HEADQUARTERS TO GIVE

6331
03:27:31,100 --> 03:27:33,400
HIM A LEG UP IN THE ELECTION.

6332
03:27:33,400 --> 03:27:35,466
NIXON TRIED TO COVER UP THE

6333
03:27:35,466 --> 03:27:39,266
CRIME BY OBSTRUCTING FEDERAL

6334
03:27:39,266 --> 03:27:39,733
INVESTIGATIONS.

6335
03:27:39,733 --> 03:27:41,666
HE ALSO ABUSED POWERS TO

6336
03:27:41,666 --> 03:27:44,100
TARGET HIS POLITICAL RIVALS,

6337
03:27:44,100 --> 03:27:46,733
AND HERE WE'RE CONFRONTED WITH

6338
03:27:46,733 --> 03:27:47,833
EVIDENCE SUGGESTING THAT

6339
03:27:47,833 --> 03:27:50,300
PRESIDENT TRUMP TRIED TO

6340
03:27:50,300 --> 03:27:52,766
LEVERAGE APPROPRIATED MILITARY

6341
03:27:52,766 --> 03:27:57,066
ASSISTANCE TO RESIST RUSSIA BY

6342
03:27:57,066 --> 03:27:58,533
UKRAINE, TO CONVINCE A FOREIGN

6343
03:27:58,533 --> 03:28:00,166
ALLY TO ANNOUNCE AN

6344
03:28:00,166 --> 03:28:02,766
INVESTIGATION OF HIS POLITICAL

6345
03:28:02,766 --> 03:28:03,300
RIVAL.

6346
03:28:03,300 --> 03:28:05,666
>> PROFESSOR KARLAN, I'D LIKE

6347
03:28:05,666 --> 03:28:09,700
YOU TO TELL ME YOUR VIEW ON

6348
03:28:09,700 --> 03:28:11,200
HOW PRESIDENT TRUMP'S

6349
03:28:11,200 --> 03:28:12,466
CONDUCTED WITH A REQUEST TO

6350
03:28:12,466 --> 03:28:14,066
THE FOREIGN ALLY TO ANNOUNCE

6351
03:28:14,066 --> 03:28:15,500
AN INVESTIGATION OF A

6352
03:28:15,500 --> 03:28:16,800
POLITICAL ALLY, HOW DOES THAT

6353
03:28:16,800 --> 03:28:18,933
COMPARE TO WHAT PRESIDENT

6354
03:28:18,933 --> 03:28:19,466
NIXON DID?

6355
03:28:19,466 --> 03:28:21,533
>> NOT FAVORABLY.

6356
03:28:21,533 --> 03:28:24,133
AS I SUGGESTED IN MY OPENING

6357
03:28:24,133 --> 03:28:26,066
TESTIMONY, IT WAS A KIND OF

6358
03:28:26,066 --> 03:28:27,466
DOUBLING DOWN, BECAUSE

6359
03:28:27,466 --> 03:28:29,566
PRESIDENT NIXON ABUSED

6360
03:28:29,566 --> 03:28:31,466
DOMESTIC LAW ENFORCEMENT TO GO

6361
03:28:31,466 --> 03:28:34,800
AFTER HIS POLITICAL OPPONENTS.

6362
03:28:34,800 --> 03:28:37,900
WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS DONE

6363
03:28:37,900 --> 03:28:39,466
BASED ON THE EVIDENCE THAT

6364
03:28:39,466 --> 03:28:41,900
WE'VE SEEN SO FAR IS ASKED A

6365
03:28:41,900 --> 03:28:44,066
FOREIGN COUNTRY TO DO THAT,

6366
03:28:44,066 --> 03:28:46,366
WHICH MEANS IT'S SORT OF LIKE

6367
03:28:46,366 --> 03:28:50,200
A DAILY DOUBLE, IF YOU WILL

6368
03:28:50,200 --> 03:28:51,400
THE.

6369
03:28:51,400 --> 03:28:54,733
>> PRESIDENT GERHARDT YOU

6370
03:28:54,733 --> 03:28:55,700
AGREE ON THAT?

6371
03:28:55,700 --> 03:28:56,033
>> YES.

6372
03:28:56,033 --> 03:28:58,766
I THINK THE DIFFICULTY HERE IS

6373
03:28:58,766 --> 03:29:03,300
THAT WE NEED TO REMEMBER THAT

6374
03:29:03,300 --> 03:29:03,966
IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES DON'T

6375
03:29:03,966 --> 03:29:06,133
HAVE TO BE CRIMINAL OFFENSES

6376
03:29:06,133 --> 03:29:07,466
AS YOU WELL KNOW.

6377
03:29:07,466 --> 03:29:09,233
SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT

6378
03:29:09,233 --> 03:29:10,800
ISN'T ABUSE OF POWER.

6379
03:29:10,800 --> 03:29:12,066
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ABUSE OF

6380
03:29:12,066 --> 03:29:13,733
POWER THAT ONLY THE PRESIDENT

6381
03:29:13,733 --> 03:29:14,133
CAN COMMIT.

6382
03:29:14,133 --> 03:29:16,633
THERE WAS A SYSTEMATIC

6383
03:29:16,633 --> 03:29:18,400
CONCERTED EFFORT BY THE

6384
03:29:18,400 --> 03:29:20,633
PRESIDENT TO REMOVE PEOPLE

6385
03:29:20,633 --> 03:29:22,166
THAT WOULD SOMEHOW OBSTRUCT OR

6386
03:29:22,166 --> 03:29:24,333
BLOCK HIS ABILITY TO PUT THAT

6387
03:29:24,333 --> 03:29:27,200
PRESSURE ON UKRAINE TO GET AN

6388
03:29:27,200 --> 03:29:28,266
ANNOUNCEMENT OF AN

6389
03:29:28,266 --> 03:29:28,733
INVESTIGATION.

6390
03:29:28,733 --> 03:29:30,466
THAT SEEMS TO BE WHAT HE CARED

6391
03:29:30,466 --> 03:29:30,766
ABOUT.

6392
03:29:30,766 --> 03:29:35,100
JUST THE MERE ANNOUNCEMENT.

6393
03:29:35,100 --> 03:29:36,666
THAT PRESSURE HE WAS GOING TO

6394
03:29:36,666 --> 03:29:38,366
PRODUCE THE OUTCOME HE WANTED

6395
03:29:38,366 --> 03:29:39,933
UNTIL THE WHISTLEBLOWER PUT A

6396
03:29:39,933 --> 03:29:40,800
LIGHT ON IT.

6397
03:29:40,800 --> 03:29:43,466
>> I WANT TO GO BACK QUICKLY

6398
03:29:43,466 --> 03:29:45,733
TO SOMETHING PROFESSOR TURLEY

6399
03:29:45,733 --> 03:29:46,033
SAID.

6400
03:29:46,033 --> 03:29:47,600
AS WE SAW IN THE MYERS CASE,

6401
03:29:47,600 --> 03:29:50,100
AND I WAS A MEMBER OF THE

6402
03:29:50,100 --> 03:29:51,466
COMMITTEE WHEN WE TRIED TO GET

6403
03:29:51,466 --> 03:29:54,100
THAT TESTIMONY, AS WELL AS THE

6404
03:29:54,100 --> 03:29:54,566
FAST

6405
03:29:54,566 --> 03:29:57,066
AND FURIOUS CASE THAT WAS

6406
03:29:57,066 --> 03:29:59,066
LONGFULLY WITHHELD FROM THE

6407
03:29:59,066 --> 03:30:01,200
CONGRESS, LITIGATION TO ENFORCE

6408
03:30:01,200 --> 03:30:02,600
CONGRESSIONAL SUBPOENAS CAN

6409
03:30:02,600 --> 03:30:04,633
EXTEND BEYOND THE TERMS OF THE

6410
03:30:04,633 --> 03:30:05,466
PRESIDENCY ITSELF.

6411
03:30:05,466 --> 03:30:09,100
THAT HAPPENED IN BOTH OF THOSE

6412
03:30:09,100 --> 03:30:10,733
CASES.

6413
03:30:10,733 --> 03:30:13,166
PROFESSOR FELDMAN, IS IT AN

6414
03:30:13,166 --> 03:30:15,466
ABUSE OF OUR POWER NOT TO GO TO

6415
03:30:15,466 --> 03:30:17,833
THE COURTS BEFORE USING OUR SOLE

6416
03:30:17,833 --> 03:30:18,600
POWER OF IMPEACHMENT IN YOUR

6417
03:30:18,600 --> 03:30:19,433
JUDGMENT?

6418
03:30:19,433 --> 03:30:20,933
>> CERTAINLY NOT.

6419
03:30:20,933 --> 03:30:23,700
UNDER THE CONSTITUTION THE HOUSE

6420
03:30:23,700 --> 03:30:29,633
IS ENTITLED TO IMPEACH.

6421
03:30:29,633 --> 03:30:30,366
THAT'S IT'S POWER.

6422
03:30:30,366 --> 03:30:32,033
THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH

6423
03:30:32,033 --> 03:30:33,500
THE JUDICIAL BRANCH OF

6424
03:30:33,500 --> 03:30:33,900
GOVERNMENT.

6425
03:30:33,900 --> 03:30:34,666
THAT'S YOUR DECISION BASED ON

6426
03:30:34,666 --> 03:30:35,200
YOUR JUDGMENT.

6427
03:30:35,200 --> 03:30:36,566
>> THANK YOU.

6428
03:30:36,566 --> 03:30:39,100
I'D LIKE TO NOTE THIS IS NOT A

6429
03:30:39,100 --> 03:30:41,366
PROCEEDING THAT I LOOKED FORWARD

6430
03:30:41,366 --> 03:30:41,633
TO.

6431
03:30:41,633 --> 03:30:44,400
IT'S NOT AN OCCASION FOR JOY.

6432
03:30:44,400 --> 03:30:46,266
IT'S ONE OF SOLEMN OBLIGATION.

6433
03:30:46,266 --> 03:30:47,966
I HOPE AND BELIEVE THAT EVERY

6434
03:30:47,966 --> 03:30:50,433
MEMBER OF THIS COMMITTEE IS

6435
03:30:50,433 --> 03:30:51,800
LISTENING, KEEPING AN OPEN MIND

6436
03:30:51,800 --> 03:30:54,133
AND HOPING THAT WE HONOR OUR

6437
03:30:54,133 --> 03:30:55,633
OBLIGATIONS CAREFULLY AND

6438
03:30:55,633 --> 03:30:56,000
HONESTLY.

6439
03:30:56,000 --> 03:30:57,400
WITH THAT, I YIELD BACK,

6440
03:30:57,400 --> 03:30:58,700
MR. CHAIRMAN.

6441
03:30:58,700 --> 03:31:01,366
>> GENTLE LADY YIELDS BACK.

6442
03:31:01,366 --> 03:31:03,433
THE GENTLE LADY YIELDS BACK.

6443
03:31:03,433 --> 03:31:07,100
WE'RE EXPECTING VOTES ON THE

6444
03:31:07,100 --> 03:31:09,000
HOUSE FLOOR SHORTLY.

6445
03:31:09,000 --> 03:31:11,466
WE WILL RECESS UNTIL AFTER THE

6446
03:31:11,466 --> 03:31:12,433
CONCLUSION OF THOSE VOTES.

6447
03:31:12,433 --> 03:31:15,400
I ASK EVERYBODY TO REMAIN SEATED

6448
03:31:15,400 --> 03:31:16,600
AND QUIET WHILE THE WITNESSES

6449
03:31:16,600 --> 03:31:21,400
EXIT THE ROOM.

6450
03:31:21,400 --> 03:31:22,566
REMIND AUDIENCES THAT YOU MAY

6451
03:31:22,566 --> 03:31:27,000
NOT BE GUARANTEED YOUR SEAT IF

6452
03:31:27,000 --> 03:31:27,700
YOU LEAVE THE HEARING RIM AT

6453
03:31:27,700 --> 03:31:43,400
THIS TIME.

6454
03:31:43,400 --> 03:31:46,533
>> WITH THAT, THE HOUSE

6455
03:31:46,533 --> 03:31:48,566
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE CHAIR, JERRY

6456
03:31:48,566 --> 03:31:49,200
NADLER --

6457
03:31:49,200 --> 03:31:51,700
>> AT THIS TIME THE COMMITTEE

6458
03:31:51,700 --> 03:31:53,466
WILL STAND IN RECESS UNTIL

6459
03:31:53,466 --> 03:31:54,933
IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE VOTES.

6460
03:31:54,933 --> 03:31:56,366
>> JERRY NADLER CALLING THE

6461
03:31:56,366 --> 03:31:58,366
HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE TO A

6462
03:31:58,366 --> 03:32:01,033
BREAK, A RECESS.

6463
03:32:01,033 --> 03:32:04,000
WHILE AS YOU JUST HEARD, MEMBERS

6464
03:32:04,000 --> 03:32:06,633
WILL GO TO THE FLOOR FOR VOTE.

6465
03:32:06,633 --> 03:32:08,000
WE DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT WILL

6466
03:32:08,000 --> 03:32:08,266
BE.

6467
03:32:08,266 --> 03:32:09,466
WE'VE WATCHED THIS COMMITTEE IN

6468
03:32:09,466 --> 03:32:11,400
SESSION FOR THE BETTER PART OF

6469
03:32:11,400 --> 03:32:12,600
FOUR HOURS.

6470
03:32:12,600 --> 03:32:14,500
3 1/2 HOURS, I SHOULD SAY.

6471
03:32:14,500 --> 03:32:16,166
THEY CAME IN TO SESSION THIS

6472
03:32:16,166 --> 03:32:19,133
MORNING AT 10:00 A.M. EASTERN.

6473
03:32:19,133 --> 03:32:22,300
I'M 1:30 ON THE EAST COAST.

6474
03:32:22,300 --> 03:32:23,433
WE'RE JUST BEGINNING THE PROCESS

6475
03:32:23,433 --> 03:32:26,700
OF HAVING JUDICIARY COMMITTEE

6476
03:32:26,700 --> 03:32:27,833
MEMBERS POSE QUESTIONS.

6477
03:32:27,833 --> 03:32:29,866
MUCH OF THE TIME HAS BAN TAKEN

6478
03:32:29,866 --> 03:32:31,433
UP WITH OPENING STATEMENTS AND

6479
03:32:31,433 --> 03:32:33,600
QUESTIONS POSED BY LEGAL

6480
03:32:33,600 --> 03:32:33,933
COUNSEL.

6481
03:32:33,933 --> 03:32:34,733
APPOINTED BY THE DEMOCRATS AND

6482
03:32:34,733 --> 03:32:37,033
THEN APPOINTED BY THE

6483
03:32:37,033 --> 03:32:37,433
REPUBLICANS.

6484
03:32:37,433 --> 03:32:38,566
I'M JUDY WOODRUFF HERE AT THE

6485
03:32:38,566 --> 03:32:42,400
PBS NEWS HOUR STUDIO IN

6486
03:32:42,400 --> 03:32:42,900
WASHINGTON.

6487
03:32:42,900 --> 03:32:44,300
FOLLOWING THE LIVE HEARINGS ON

6488
03:32:44,300 --> 03:32:50,400
THE HILL, COVERING FOR US, LISA

6489
03:32:50,400 --> 03:32:51,233
DESJARDINS, YAMICHE ALCINDOR AND

6490
03:32:51,233 --> 03:32:54,500
HERE WE MANY IN THE STUDIO,

6491
03:32:54,500 --> 03:32:56,800
FRANK BOWMAN, SOL WISENBERG,

6492
03:32:56,800 --> 03:32:58,700
BOTH HAVE EXPERIENCE NOT ONLY IN

6493
03:32:58,700 --> 03:33:01,300
THE LEGAL PROFESSION BUT WITH

6494
03:33:01,300 --> 03:33:02,233
IMPEACHMENT.

6495
03:33:02,233 --> 03:33:04,366
I WANT TO COME TO YOU, FRANK.

6496
03:33:04,366 --> 03:33:06,133
SEEMS TO ME WHAT WE HAVE WITH

6497
03:33:06,133 --> 03:33:08,500
THE DEMOCRATS ONLY CALLING ON

6498
03:33:08,500 --> 03:33:09,266
THE THREE DEMOCRATIC WITNESSES

6499
03:33:09,266 --> 03:33:12,033
OR AT LEAST THE SCHOLARS THAT

6500
03:33:12,033 --> 03:33:13,566
SUPPORT THE DEMOCRATIC POINT OF

6501
03:33:13,566 --> 03:33:15,833
VIEW AND THE REPUBLICANS ONLY

6502
03:33:15,833 --> 03:33:17,700
CALLING ON THE SCHOLAR WHO

6503
03:33:17,700 --> 03:33:19,133
SUPPORTS THE REPUBLICAN POINT OF

6504
03:33:19,133 --> 03:33:20,800
VIEW, IT'S A LITTLE BIT LIKE

6505
03:33:20,800 --> 03:33:22,100
WATCHING A PING-PONG MATCH HERE.

6506
03:33:22,100 --> 03:33:24,600
WE'RE NOT SEEING AS MUCH OF THE

6507
03:33:24,600 --> 03:33:25,633
ENGAGEMENT THAT I THINK PEOPLE

6508
03:33:25,633 --> 03:33:27,066
WOULD FIND MORE SATISFYING.

6509
03:33:27,066 --> 03:33:29,100
>> I THINK THAT'S REGRETTABLE.

6510
03:33:29,100 --> 03:33:31,566
I THINK THE CHOICE, FOR EXAMPLE,

6511
03:33:31,566 --> 03:33:34,300
THE INITIAL CHOICE OF COUNSEL

6512
03:33:34,300 --> 03:33:36,133
ESSENTIALLY TO ONLY ASK ONE VERY

6513
03:33:36,133 --> 03:33:37,066
SHORT QUESTION --

6514
03:33:37,066 --> 03:33:38,233
>> THE DEMOCRATS.

6515
03:33:38,233 --> 03:33:40,300
>> YEAH, TO ASK ONE VERY SHORT

6516
03:33:40,300 --> 03:33:42,900
QUESTION OF TURLEY AND CUT HIM

6517
03:33:42,900 --> 03:33:45,233
OFF WITH A YES NO SEEMS SMALL.

6518
03:33:45,233 --> 03:33:48,366
ALSO, I THINK IT DOES PREVENT

6519
03:33:48,366 --> 03:33:50,633
THE KIND OF INTERCHANGE THAT YOU

6520
03:33:50,633 --> 03:33:51,966
AND I THINK THE AMERICAN PUBLIC

6521
03:33:51,966 --> 03:33:54,000
WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

6522
03:33:54,000 --> 03:33:55,466
I THINK THAT'S REGRETTABLE.

6523
03:33:55,466 --> 03:33:58,200
>> SOL WISENBERG, I GUESS MAYBE

6524
03:33:58,200 --> 03:34:01,166
WE SHOULD EXPECT IT GIVEN THE

6525
03:34:01,166 --> 03:34:02,700
PARTISAN REALITY OF HOW THE

6526
03:34:02,700 --> 03:34:03,600
CONGRESS OPERATES RIGHT NOW.

6527
03:34:03,600 --> 03:34:04,966
>> WE CAN EXPECT IT.

6528
03:34:04,966 --> 03:34:06,900
I WOULD HAVE HOPED FOR BETTER

6529
03:34:06,900 --> 03:34:08,766
GIVEN THESE ARE LAW PROFESSORS

6530
03:34:08,766 --> 03:34:10,766
THAT HAVE SOME KIND OF AN

6531
03:34:10,766 --> 03:34:12,966
OBLIGATION TO BE OBJECTIVE,

6532
03:34:12,966 --> 03:34:14,300
REASONABLE PEOPLE.

6533
03:34:14,300 --> 03:34:15,233
REASONABLE PEOPLE CAN HAVE

6534
03:34:15,233 --> 03:34:16,766
REASONABLE DISAGREEMENTS.

6535
03:34:16,766 --> 03:34:18,466
I AGREE WITH PROFESSOR BOWMAN, I

6536
03:34:18,466 --> 03:34:20,333
WOULD HAVE LIKED TO SEE MORE OF

6537
03:34:20,333 --> 03:34:21,200
THAT HERE.

6538
03:34:21,200 --> 03:34:23,433
>> WE ARE HEARING TO THE BOTH OF

6539
03:34:23,433 --> 03:34:28,233
YOU, FRANK BOWMAN, SOL

6540
03:34:28,233 --> 03:34:29,733
WISENBERG, WE'RE HEARING

6541
03:34:29,733 --> 03:34:31,333
DISCUSSIONS OF ARGUMENTS FOR

6542
03:34:31,333 --> 03:34:32,566
IMPEACHMENT THAT THE DEMOCRATS

6543
03:34:32,566 --> 03:34:33,400
HAVE MADE.

6544
03:34:33,400 --> 03:34:35,433
THE HEARINGS STARTED OUT WITH

6545
03:34:35,433 --> 03:34:37,833
PROFESSOR MICHAEL GERHARDT

6546
03:34:37,833 --> 03:34:40,733
SAYING THAT HE ALREADY SEES FOUR

6547
03:34:40,733 --> 03:34:42,800
IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES BY THE

6548
03:34:42,800 --> 03:34:43,166
PRESIDENT.

6549
03:34:43,166 --> 03:34:45,333
BRIBERY A BECAUSE OF OFFICE,

6550
03:34:45,333 --> 03:34:46,400
OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE AND

6551
03:34:46,400 --> 03:34:47,433
OBSTRUCTION OF THE CONGRESS.

6552
03:34:47,433 --> 03:34:50,700
I WANT TO COME QUICKLY TO

6553
03:34:50,700 --> 03:34:51,433
BRIBERY, FRANK.

6554
03:34:51,433 --> 03:34:52,633
WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THAT HERE

6555
03:34:52,633 --> 03:34:53,333
AT THE TABLE.

6556
03:34:53,333 --> 03:34:55,433
IT'S COME UP IN THE HEARING.

6557
03:34:55,433 --> 03:34:58,066
THE DISCUSSION OF WHETHER THE

6558
03:34:58,066 --> 03:34:59,433
DEFINITION OF BRIBERY GOES BACK

6559
03:34:59,433 --> 03:35:02,266
TO ENGLAND AND THE 1600s AND

6560
03:35:02,266 --> 03:35:05,133
BEFORE THAT OR WHETHER IT'S A

6561
03:35:05,133 --> 03:35:09,066
MORE MODERN DEFINITION IN

6562
03:35:09,066 --> 03:35:11,133
AMERICAN LEGAL CODE IS RELEVANT

6563
03:35:11,133 --> 03:35:14,366
TO WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT

6564
03:35:14,366 --> 03:35:14,666
TODAY.

6565
03:35:14,666 --> 03:35:16,633
>> LET ME PREFACE MY REMARKS BY

6566
03:35:16,633 --> 03:35:19,466
THAT BY SAYING I'M NOT A FAN OF

6567
03:35:19,466 --> 03:35:22,666
THE IDEA OF TRYING TO FRAME THE

6568
03:35:22,666 --> 03:35:24,933
CASE INVOLVING MR. TRUMP AS

6569
03:35:24,933 --> 03:35:25,266
BRIBERY.

6570
03:35:25,266 --> 03:35:26,433
THE REASON THAT I HAVE NOT BEEN

6571
03:35:26,433 --> 03:35:29,433
A FAN IS PLAYING OUT IN FRONT OF

6572
03:35:29,433 --> 03:35:30,766
US RIGHT NOW.

6573
03:35:30,766 --> 03:35:33,900
THE REASON THE DEMOCRATS WANTED

6574
03:35:33,900 --> 03:35:36,866
TO DESCRIBE THIS AS BRIBERY IS

6575
03:35:36,866 --> 03:35:38,900
BECAUSE BRIBERY IS A SEPARATE

6576
03:35:38,900 --> 03:35:42,300
GROUND OF IMPEACHMENT, TREASON

6577
03:35:42,300 --> 03:35:46,766
BRIBERY, HIGH CRIMES AND

6578
03:35:46,766 --> 03:35:47,200
MISDEMEANORS.

6579
03:35:47,200 --> 03:35:49,433
HIGH CRIMES IS THIS CONCEPT IS

6580
03:35:49,433 --> 03:35:51,333
THOUGHT OF TO HAVE A LOT OF

6581
03:35:51,333 --> 03:35:51,733
EXPLANATION.

6582
03:35:51,733 --> 03:35:52,733
THE DEMOCRATS THOUGHT IF WE CAN

6583
03:35:52,733 --> 03:35:54,600
CALL THIS BRIBELY, IT'S SIMPLER.

6584
03:35:54,600 --> 03:35:56,633
PEOPLE WILL UNDERSTAND IT BETTER

6585
03:35:56,633 --> 03:35:58,633
AND THEREFORE WE CAN PERHAPS

6586
03:35:58,633 --> 03:36:00,166
AVOID THE NECESSITY OF DELVING

6587
03:36:00,166 --> 03:36:02,300
INTO HIGH CRIMES AND

6588
03:36:02,300 --> 03:36:03,466
MISDEMEANORS.

6589
03:36:03,466 --> 03:36:05,566
THE PROBLEM IS THAT AS WE'VE

6590
03:36:05,566 --> 03:36:08,400
SEEN, THERE ARE TWO SETS OF

6591
03:36:08,400 --> 03:36:09,933
INTERPRETIVE ISSUES WITH

6592
03:36:09,933 --> 03:36:10,266
BRIBERY.

6593
03:36:10,266 --> 03:36:11,233
THE FIRST IS WHICH BRIBERY ARE

6594
03:36:11,233 --> 03:36:12,900
WE TALKING ABOUT?

6595
03:36:12,900 --> 03:36:14,233
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE BRIBERY

6596
03:36:14,233 --> 03:36:16,800
THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN FAMILIAR TO

6597
03:36:16,800 --> 03:36:18,966
THE FRAMERS IN 1787?

6598
03:36:18,966 --> 03:36:20,600
WHICH IS AS WE HAVE SEEN IS A

6599
03:36:20,600 --> 03:36:21,866
GOOD DEAL OF DISAGREEMENT ABOUT

6600
03:36:21,866 --> 03:36:23,800
AND MUCH HARDER TO PIN DOWN.

6601
03:36:23,800 --> 03:36:25,966
OR ON THE OTHER HAND, IS IT

6602
03:36:25,966 --> 03:36:29,566
APPROPRIATE TO TALK ABOUT MODERN

6603
03:36:29,566 --> 03:36:29,900
BRIBERY.

6604
03:36:29,900 --> 03:36:31,033
MY OWN VIEW IS THAT SINCE WE'RE

6605
03:36:31,033 --> 03:36:32,333
TALKING ABOUT THE INTERPRETATION

6606
03:36:32,333 --> 03:36:34,866
OF THE CONSTITUTION WRITTEN IN

6607
03:36:34,866 --> 03:36:36,933
1787, ON THIS POINT I THINK WHAT

6608
03:36:36,933 --> 03:36:38,366
BRIBERY WAS BACK THEN IS

6609
03:36:38,366 --> 03:36:40,766
PROBABLY A BETTER INDICATOR OF

6610
03:36:40,766 --> 03:36:42,466
WHAT THE CONSTITUTION MEANS.

6611
03:36:42,466 --> 03:36:43,433
BUT THE --

6612
03:36:43,433 --> 03:36:44,433
>> THERE'S A BROADER DEFINITION.

6613
03:36:44,433 --> 03:36:47,333
>> I'M NOT SURE THAT IT IS.

6614
03:36:47,333 --> 03:36:50,466
DEPENDS ON WHICH DEFINITION THAT

6615
03:36:50,466 --> 03:36:51,300
YOU PICK OUT.

6616
03:36:51,300 --> 03:36:52,733
S

6617
03:36:52,733 --> 03:36:57,133
SAMUEL JOHNSON'S DICTIONARY OR

6618
03:36:57,133 --> 03:36:58,700
OTHER CONTEMPORARY SOURCES.

6619
03:36:58,700 --> 03:37:00,133
THERE'S IMMENSE DISAGREEMENT

6620
03:37:00,133 --> 03:37:04,800
ABOUT WHAT COMMON LAW BRIBERY

6621
03:37:04,800 --> 03:37:06,000
WOULD HAVE MEANT.

6622
03:37:06,000 --> 03:37:09,366
SOME OF THE WITNESSES SAY IT

6623
03:37:09,366 --> 03:37:10,766
REFERRED TO JUDGES.

6624
03:37:10,766 --> 03:37:14,433
THERE'S SOME EVIDENCE THAT THERE

6625
03:37:14,433 --> 03:37:16,766
WASN'T ANY INCLUSION OF

6626
03:37:16,766 --> 03:37:17,633
ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIALS IN

6627
03:37:17,633 --> 03:37:19,466
BRIBERY UNTIL PERHAPS AS LATE AS

6628
03:37:19,466 --> 03:37:21,866
THE 1800s.

6629
03:37:21,866 --> 03:37:24,400
THERE'S ALSO THE VIEW THAT

6630
03:37:24,400 --> 03:37:27,466
PERHAPS THE THING THAT PEOPLE AT

6631
03:37:27,466 --> 03:37:29,833
THE TIME WOULD HAVE DESCRIBED

6632
03:37:29,833 --> 03:37:31,800
THIS CONDUCT AS EXTORTION, NOT

6633
03:37:31,800 --> 03:37:32,866
BRIBERY.

6634
03:37:32,866 --> 03:37:35,466
THE POINT IS, WHY GET INTO ALL

6635
03:37:35,466 --> 03:37:39,466
OF THIS FALLEDERAL?

6636
03:37:39,466 --> 03:37:44,000
IT DISTRACT FROM THE MAIN POINT.

6637
03:37:44,000 --> 03:37:45,566
THE COMPLAINT POINT IS THAT HE

6638
03:37:45,566 --> 03:37:46,733
ABUSED HIS POWER.

6639
03:37:46,733 --> 03:37:47,733
JUST TALK ABOUT THAT.

6640
03:37:47,733 --> 03:37:50,133
>> AND SOL WISENBERG, WE DON'T

6641
03:37:50,133 --> 03:37:51,433
KNOW WHAT THE DEMOCRATIC

6642
03:37:51,433 --> 03:37:52,800
ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT,

6643
03:37:52,800 --> 03:37:54,100
ASSUMING THEY'RE WRITTEN -- WE

6644
03:37:54,100 --> 03:37:55,500
ASSUME THEY WILL BE, BUT WE

6645
03:37:55,500 --> 03:37:57,466
DON'T KNOW, WHAT THEY WILL FOCUS

6646
03:37:57,466 --> 03:37:57,733
ON.

6647
03:37:57,733 --> 03:37:59,300
THESE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS,

6648
03:37:59,300 --> 03:38:01,700
THE OPINIONS OF THESE LAW

6649
03:38:01,700 --> 03:38:03,500
PROFESSORS LAYING OUT THE

6650
03:38:03,500 --> 03:38:05,700
VARIOUS GROUNDS FOR IMPEACHMENT.

6651
03:38:05,700 --> 03:38:07,200
WHAT IS YOUR VIEW IN TERMS OF

6652
03:38:07,200 --> 03:38:10,200
WHETHER IT'S BRIBERY, ABUSE OF

6653
03:38:10,200 --> 03:38:11,800
POWER OR ONE OF THE OBSTRUCTIONS

6654
03:38:11,800 --> 03:38:13,466
THAT THEY DESCRIBED THIS

6655
03:38:13,466 --> 03:38:13,966
MORNING?

6656
03:38:13,966 --> 03:38:15,300
>> I AGREE WITH FRANK.

6657
03:38:15,300 --> 03:38:17,000
I THINK GIVEN THE STATE OF THE

6658
03:38:17,000 --> 03:38:19,766
RECORD HERE, IT'S BETTER TO

6659
03:38:19,766 --> 03:38:22,800
FOCUS ON GENERAL CONCEPTS LIKE

6660
03:38:22,800 --> 03:38:27,933
ABUSE OF POWER OR PUBLIC

6661
03:38:27,933 --> 03:38:28,633
CORRU

6662
03:38:28,633 --> 03:38:29,033
CORRUPTION.

6663
03:38:29,033 --> 03:38:29,766
YOU GET INTO PROBLEMS WHEN YOU

6664
03:38:29,766 --> 03:38:30,366
TALK ABOUT BRIBERY.

6665
03:38:30,366 --> 03:38:33,400
AS TURLEY POINTED OUT, MASON --

6666
03:38:33,400 --> 03:38:35,033
GEORGE MASON, ONE OF THE

6667
03:38:35,033 --> 03:38:36,300
FOUNDERS THOUGHT THAT HE

6668
03:38:36,300 --> 03:38:39,466
VOTED -- HE DIDN'T VOTE TO

6669
03:38:39,466 --> 03:38:43,100
APPROVE THE CONSTITUTION.

6670
03:38:43,100 --> 03:38:46,033
HE VOTED OR ARGUED AGAINST

6671
03:38:46,033 --> 03:38:46,566
RATIFICATION.

6672
03:38:46,566 --> 03:38:49,233
HE THOUGHT BRIBERY WAS TOO

6673
03:38:49,233 --> 03:38:49,900
NARROW.

6674
03:38:49,900 --> 03:38:52,333
THAT'S WHY HE SUGGESTED

6675
03:38:52,333 --> 03:38:52,833
MALADMINISTRATION.

6676
03:38:52,833 --> 03:38:53,366
JEFFERSON THOUGHT

6677
03:38:53,366 --> 03:38:54,133
MALADMINISTRATION WAS TOO BROAD.

6678
03:38:54,133 --> 03:38:56,466
LIKE I SAID BEFORE, IF YOU WANT

6679
03:38:56,466 --> 03:38:57,800
TO FOCUS ON WHAT THE

6680
03:38:57,800 --> 03:38:58,766
INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE HAS

6681
03:38:58,766 --> 03:39:01,433
FOCUSED ON, THE UKRAINE INCIDENT

6682
03:39:01,433 --> 03:39:03,133
AND I AGREE WITH FRANK THAT IT'S

6683
03:39:03,133 --> 03:39:05,900
NOT CONFINED TO THAT ONE

6684
03:39:05,900 --> 03:39:07,500
TELEPHONE CALL, I BELIEVE THAT

6685
03:39:07,500 --> 03:39:09,833
ON THIS RECORD, THIS INCIDENT

6686
03:39:09,833 --> 03:39:12,066
ALONE IN AND OF ITSELF IS NOT

6687
03:39:12,066 --> 03:39:14,133
SUFFICIENT BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW

6688
03:39:14,133 --> 03:39:18,400
NOW TO SUPPORT IMPEACHMENT AND

6689
03:39:18,400 --> 03:39:18,733
REMOVAL.

6690
03:39:18,733 --> 03:39:22,800
THAT'S NOT SAYING THAT PRESIDENT

6691
03:39:22,800 --> 03:39:27,166
TRUMP WON'T TWEET HIMSELF INTO A

6692
03:39:27,166 --> 03:39:28,066
BROADER IMPEACHMENT CASE.

6693
03:39:28,066 --> 03:39:29,733
I ABSOLUTELY AGREE IF YOU'RE

6694
03:39:29,733 --> 03:39:32,966
GOING TO DO THAT AS A MATTER OF

6695
03:39:32,966 --> 03:39:34,266
TACTICS AND STRATEGY, I THINK IT

6696
03:39:34,266 --> 03:39:37,566
WILL BE WISE FOR THE DEMOCRATS

6697
03:39:37,566 --> 03:39:40,100
TO INCLUDE THE ALLEGED

6698
03:39:40,100 --> 03:39:41,300
OBSTRUCTIVE ACTS THAT WERE

6699
03:39:41,300 --> 03:39:43,133
MENTIONED IN THE SECOND SECTION

6700
03:39:43,133 --> 03:39:44,633
OF THE MUELLER REPORT.

6701
03:39:44,633 --> 03:39:45,300
BECAUSE WHETHER OR NOT YOU

6702
03:39:45,300 --> 03:39:47,166
BELIEVE THAT IS CRIMINAL

6703
03:39:47,166 --> 03:39:49,066
OBSTRUCTION, IT WAS CLEARLY

6704
03:39:49,066 --> 03:39:51,333
REPREHENSIBLE CONDUCT ON THE

6705
03:39:51,333 --> 03:39:52,566
PART OF THE PRESIDENT.

6706
03:39:52,566 --> 03:39:55,100
YOU HAD THE PRESIDENT SUGGESTING

6707
03:39:55,100 --> 03:39:57,533
TO OUR ASKING DON McGANN TO

6708
03:39:57,533 --> 03:39:59,400
CREATE A FALSE RECORD OF WHAT

6709
03:39:59,400 --> 03:40:01,200
THE PRESIDENT HAD ASKED HIM TO

6710
03:40:01,200 --> 03:40:01,633
DO.

6711
03:40:01,633 --> 03:40:02,966
VERY POWERFUL STUFF.

6712
03:40:02,966 --> 03:40:05,033
>> NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.

6713
03:40:05,033 --> 03:40:06,366
YAMICHE ALCINDOR, WE'RE STILL

6714
03:40:06,366 --> 03:40:09,000
WANTING FOR LISA AT THE CAPITOL.

6715
03:40:09,000 --> 03:40:10,733
BUT YAMICHE, I WANT TO COME TO

6716
03:40:10,733 --> 03:40:11,433
YOU.

6717
03:40:11,433 --> 03:40:14,100
WE JUST HEARD DON McGANN'S NAME

6718
03:40:14,100 --> 03:40:14,900
RAISED.

6719
03:40:14,900 --> 03:40:17,566
HE'S A FORMER WHITE HOUSE

6720
03:40:17,566 --> 03:40:19,200
COUNSEL WHO LEFT SOME MONTHS

6721
03:40:19,200 --> 03:40:19,466
AGO.

6722
03:40:19,466 --> 03:40:22,733
HE IS NOW BEEN SUBPOENAED TO

6723
03:40:22,733 --> 03:40:23,433
APPEAR.

6724
03:40:23,433 --> 03:40:25,266
SO FAR HE'S CHALLENGING THAT IN

6725
03:40:25,266 --> 03:40:26,900
THE COURTS.

6726
03:40:26,900 --> 03:40:28,766
WE'LL WAIT AND SEE WHETHER OR

6727
03:40:28,766 --> 03:40:30,966
NOT HE DOES.

6728
03:40:30,966 --> 03:40:33,533
SO MUCH OF THE DISCUSSION RIGHT

6729
03:40:33,533 --> 03:40:35,400
NOW ABOUT WHETHER THE PRESIDENT

6730
03:40:35,400 --> 03:40:39,266
DID OR DIDN'T DO SOMETHING THAT

6731
03:40:39,266 --> 03:40:40,433
CONSTITUTES AN INPEACHABLE

6732
03:40:40,433 --> 03:40:43,400
OFFENSE MAY HINGE, THE FACTS OF

6733
03:40:43,400 --> 03:40:44,966
IT, MAY HINGE IN PART ON WHETHER

6734
03:40:44,966 --> 03:40:46,800
CONGRESS IS ABLE TO HEAR FROM

6735
03:40:46,800 --> 03:40:49,800
THE PEOPLE LIKE DON McGANN AND

6736
03:40:49,800 --> 03:40:50,933
OTHERS WHO CURRENTLY SERVE IN

6737
03:40:50,933 --> 03:40:51,666
THE ADMINISTRATION WHO THE

6738
03:40:51,666 --> 03:40:55,400
PRESIDENT SAID HE DOESN'T WANT

6739
03:40:55,400 --> 03:40:56,866
TO TESTIFY.

6740
03:40:56,866 --> 03:40:58,233
>> THAT'S RIGHT, JUDY.

6741
03:40:58,233 --> 03:40:59,733
A NEWS OF WHITE HOUSE OFFICIALS

6742
03:40:59,733 --> 03:41:01,233
CURRENT AND FORMER THAT THE

6743
03:41:01,233 --> 03:41:03,300
PRESIDENT HAS DECIDED NOT TO

6744
03:41:03,300 --> 03:41:05,900
MAKE AVAILABLE TO CONGRESS.

6745
03:41:05,900 --> 03:41:07,033
THOSE INDIVIDUALS COULD STILL

6746
03:41:07,033 --> 03:41:07,766
COME BEFORE CONGRESS IF THEY

6747
03:41:07,766 --> 03:41:09,733
FELT LIKE THEY NEEDED TO DO

6748
03:41:09,733 --> 03:41:10,033
THAT.

6749
03:41:10,033 --> 03:41:13,300
THERE'S PEOPLE WORKING AT THE

6750
03:41:13,300 --> 03:41:18,100
WHITE HOUSE LIKE LIEUTENANT

6751
03:41:18,100 --> 03:41:19,800
COLONEL VINDMAN WHO HAS SAID

6752
03:41:19,800 --> 03:41:21,666
LOOK, IT WAS MY DUTY TO COME

6753
03:41:21,666 --> 03:41:22,400
BEFORE CONGRESS.

6754
03:41:22,400 --> 03:41:24,166
PEOPLE LIKE JOHN BOLTON, PEOPLE

6755
03:41:24,166 --> 03:41:26,333
LIKE DON McGANN, THE FORMER

6756
03:41:26,333 --> 03:41:27,433
WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL, THE ACTING

6757
03:41:27,433 --> 03:41:30,033
CHIEF OF STAFF, MICK MULVANEY,

6758
03:41:30,033 --> 03:41:31,566
WHO IS STILL WORKING AT THE

6759
03:41:31,566 --> 03:41:34,566
WHITE HOUSE, NONE OF THEM HAVE

6760
03:41:34,566 --> 03:41:37,733
SHOWN UP TO THIS IMPEACHMENT

6761
03:41:37,733 --> 03:41:38,066
INQUIRY.

6762
03:41:38,066 --> 03:41:39,400
DEMOCRATS ARE SAYING THAT'S PART

6763
03:41:39,400 --> 03:41:41,333
OF PRESIDENT TRUMP'S OBSTRUCTING

6764
03:41:41,333 --> 03:41:41,666
JUSTICE.

6765
03:41:41,666 --> 03:41:43,400
HIM NOT ALLOWING OFFICIALS TO

6766
03:41:43,400 --> 03:41:46,566
COME BEFORE CONGRESS IS PART OF

6767
03:41:46,566 --> 03:41:48,100
WHAT COULD BE IMPEACHABLE.

6768
03:41:48,100 --> 03:41:49,566
BUT THE REPUBLICANS WITNESSES

6769
03:41:49,566 --> 03:41:51,133
HAVE SAID THAT REALLY HE THINKS

6770
03:41:51,133 --> 03:41:52,700
THAT DEMOCRATS ARE THE ONES THAT

6771
03:41:52,700 --> 03:41:53,933
MIGHT BE ABUSING POWER BECAUSE

6772
03:41:53,933 --> 03:41:55,933
HE SAID SOMETHING CRITICAL.

6773
03:41:55,933 --> 03:41:58,700
HE SAID IF YOU THINK THAT NOT

6774
03:41:58,700 --> 03:42:01,366
ALLOWING WITNESSES AND ALLOWING

6775
03:42:01,366 --> 03:42:03,333
THE COURTS TO THINK THROUGH

6776
03:42:03,333 --> 03:42:05,133
WHETHER OR NOT THESE WITNESSES

6777
03:42:05,133 --> 03:42:06,900
CAN BE COMPELLED TO COME TO

6778
03:42:06,900 --> 03:42:08,266
CONGRESS, IF THAT IS

6779
03:42:08,266 --> 03:42:09,733
IMPEACHABLE, IT'S ON THE SIDE OF

6780
03:42:09,733 --> 03:42:10,533
THE DEMOCRATS.

6781
03:42:10,533 --> 03:42:12,733
SO YOU HAD A POWERFUL STATEMENT

6782
03:42:12,733 --> 03:42:13,633
FROM THE REPUBLICAN WITNESS

6783
03:42:13,633 --> 03:42:15,433
SAYING DEMOCRATS, YOU'RE DOING

6784
03:42:15,433 --> 03:42:16,766
WHAT YOU THINK PRESIDENT TRUMP

6785
03:42:16,766 --> 03:42:18,733
IS DOING HERE.

6786
03:42:18,733 --> 03:42:20,366
I SHOULD ALSO NOTE THE WHITE

6787
03:42:20,366 --> 03:42:22,766
HOUSE IS RESPONDING IN REAL

6788
03:42:22,766 --> 03:42:23,066
TIME.

6789
03:42:23,066 --> 03:42:24,400
STEPHANIE GRISHAM SAID THREE OF

6790
03:42:24,400 --> 03:42:25,900
THE FOUR WITNESSES TALKING ABOUT

6791
03:42:25,900 --> 03:42:26,833
THE DEMOCRAT WITNESSES, THEY

6792
03:42:26,833 --> 03:42:31,433
DIDN'T HAVE ANY WITNESSES.

6793
03:42:31,433 --> 03:42:32,433
THEY WERE AIRING THEIR

6794
03:42:32,433 --> 03:42:33,500
FRUSTRATION AND STILL DIDN'T

6795
03:42:33,500 --> 03:42:34,733
HAVE ANY DIRECT EVIDENCE TYING

6796
03:42:34,733 --> 03:42:35,766
TO PRESIDENT TRUMP WHAT

6797
03:42:35,766 --> 03:42:37,133
DEMOCRATS SAY IS A SCHEME TO

6798
03:42:37,133 --> 03:42:38,633
PRESSURE UKRAINE TO INVESTIGATE

6799
03:42:38,633 --> 03:42:40,900
JOE BIDEN AND HUNTER BIDEN.

6800
03:42:40,900 --> 03:42:42,833
>> AND YAMICHE, INTERESTING WHAT

6801
03:42:42,833 --> 03:42:45,266
SHE SAID ABOUT PROFESSOR

6802
03:42:45,266 --> 03:42:46,366
JONATHAN TURLEY, THE ONE WITNESS

6803
03:42:46,366 --> 03:42:48,533
CALLED BY REPUBLICANS AND WHAT

6804
03:42:48,533 --> 03:42:50,666
HE HAD TO SAY ABOUT IMPEACHMENT

6805
03:42:50,666 --> 03:42:52,333
AND WHETHER THE PRESIDENT'S

6806
03:42:52,333 --> 03:42:54,266
COOPERATION OR LACK OF

6807
03:42:54,266 --> 03:42:56,066
COOPERATION, BECAUSE ANOTHER ONE

6808
03:42:56,066 --> 03:42:58,600
OF THESE LEGAL SCHOLARS WAS

6809
03:42:58,600 --> 03:43:01,300
SAYING THAT THERE'S ABUNDANT

6810
03:43:01,300 --> 03:43:01,666
EVIDENCE.

6811
03:43:01,666 --> 03:43:03,466
WORDS TO THE EFFECT, NO

6812
03:43:03,466 --> 03:43:05,366
PRESIDENT HAS EVER REFUSED AS

6813
03:43:05,366 --> 03:43:08,000
MUCH AS THIS PRESIDENT HAS

6814
03:43:08,000 --> 03:43:09,733
REFUSED TO TURN OVER EVIDENCE TO

6815
03:43:09,733 --> 03:43:10,700
PROVIDE WITNESSES --

6816
03:43:10,700 --> 03:43:13,500
>> CAN I SPEAK TO THAT

6817
03:43:13,500 --> 03:43:14,833
>> SURE.

6818
03:43:14,833 --> 03:43:15,366
SOL?

6819
03:43:15,366 --> 03:43:21,266
>> BOTH SIDES MADE GOOD POINTS.

6820
03:43:21,266 --> 03:43:22,066
BOTH POINTS.

6821
03:43:22,066 --> 03:43:24,366
AND TURLEY SAID THAT CUPPERMAN

6822
03:43:24,366 --> 03:43:25,700
WENT TO A COURT AND HE SAID

6823
03:43:25,700 --> 03:43:28,700
CONGRESS WANTS ME TO DO THIS.

6824
03:43:28,700 --> 03:43:30,433
THE PRESIDENT HAS INSTRUCTED ME

6825
03:43:30,433 --> 03:43:31,100
TO DO THIS.

6826
03:43:31,100 --> 03:43:34,000
I NEED THE GUIDANCE OF THE

6827
03:43:34,000 --> 03:43:34,300
COURT.

6828
03:43:34,300 --> 03:43:34,600
AGREE.

6829
03:43:34,600 --> 03:43:35,733
YOU CAN'T DO SOMETHING TO

6830
03:43:35,733 --> 03:43:37,300
SOMEBODY LIKE THAT.

6831
03:43:37,300 --> 03:43:39,300
IT'S PROFESSOR GERHARDT THAT

6832
03:43:39,300 --> 03:43:40,733
SAYS THERE'S BEEN NO PRESIDENT

6833
03:43:40,733 --> 03:43:43,400
WHO HAS CLAIMED SUCH A BROAD

6834
03:43:43,400 --> 03:43:43,800
OBSTRUCTION.

6835
03:43:43,800 --> 03:43:45,033
HE'S TELLING NOT JUST WHITE

6836
03:43:45,033 --> 03:43:46,466
HOUSE OFFICIALS, ALL THE

6837
03:43:46,466 --> 03:43:48,000
PRESIDENTS HAVE TAKEN THAT

6838
03:43:48,000 --> 03:43:48,366
POSITION.

6839
03:43:48,366 --> 03:43:49,666
HE'S TELLING EVERYBODY IN THE

6840
03:43:49,666 --> 03:43:51,400
EXECUTIVE BRANCH YOU CANNOT

6841
03:43:51,400 --> 03:43:53,366
APPEAR AND YOU CANNOT GIVE ANY

6842
03:43:53,366 --> 03:43:53,766
DOCUMENTS.

6843
03:43:53,766 --> 03:43:56,366
THAT I BELIEVE IS TRULY

6844
03:43:56,366 --> 03:43:56,800
UNPRECEDENTED.

6845
03:43:56,800 --> 03:43:57,933
>> AND FORMER OFFICIALS AS WELL.

6846
03:43:57,933 --> 03:44:00,366
I MEAN, THEY FALL UNDER THIS

6847
03:44:00,366 --> 03:44:00,733
UMBRELLA.

6848
03:44:00,733 --> 03:44:01,733
>> RIGHT.

6849
03:44:01,733 --> 03:44:03,466
AGAIN, IF THEY'RE FORMER WHITE

6850
03:44:03,466 --> 03:44:04,666
HOUSE OFFICIALS, EVERYBODY

6851
03:44:04,666 --> 03:44:05,933
PRESIDENT SINCE AT LEAST CLINTON

6852
03:44:05,933 --> 03:44:08,200
HAS TAKEN THIS EXTREME POSITION

6853
03:44:08,200 --> 03:44:09,866
THAT THEY'RE IMMUNE FROM EVEN

6854
03:44:09,866 --> 03:44:10,700
SHOWING UP.

6855
03:44:10,700 --> 03:44:13,000
AS WE'VE SEEN IN THE COURTS, TWO

6856
03:44:13,000 --> 03:44:13,766
COURTS HAVE CONSIDERED THIS NOW

6857
03:44:13,766 --> 03:44:16,200
AND BOTH HAVE REJECTED THAT.

6858
03:44:16,200 --> 03:44:19,733
>> LISA DESJARDINS AT THE

6859
03:44:19,733 --> 03:44:20,066
CAPITOL.

6860
03:44:20,066 --> 03:44:21,966
THERE YOU ARE.

6861
03:44:21,966 --> 03:44:23,100
ANY OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO

6862
03:44:23,100 --> 03:44:25,400
MEMBERS, TALK TO MEMBERS ON THE

6863
03:44:25,400 --> 03:44:26,233
COMMITTEE ABOUT HOW THEY THINK

6864
03:44:26,233 --> 03:44:28,766
THIS HEARING IS GOING SO FAR

6865
03:44:28,766 --> 03:44:29,066
TODAY?

6866
03:44:29,066 --> 03:44:30,533
>> I DID HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITY

6867
03:44:30,533 --> 03:44:31,300
TO TALK TO MEMBERS.

6868
03:44:31,300 --> 03:44:34,600
ONLY ABLE TO CATCH ONE.

6869
03:44:34,600 --> 03:44:37,200
THEY WERE ON THEIR WAY TO VOTE.

6870
03:44:37,200 --> 03:44:40,166
OUR PRODUCER IS DOWNSTAIRS HERE

6871
03:44:40,166 --> 03:44:41,066
IN THE CAPITOL.

6872
03:44:41,066 --> 03:44:43,600
YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, IT WAS JUST

6873
03:44:43,600 --> 03:44:44,700
TALKING POINTS.

6874
03:44:44,700 --> 03:44:46,733
HANK JOHNSON, DEMOCRAT, TALKING

6875
03:44:46,733 --> 03:44:49,700
TO ME ABOUT SAYING HE FELT LIKE

6876
03:44:49,700 --> 03:44:51,433
THE DEMOCRATIC WITNESSES

6877
03:44:51,433 --> 03:44:53,700
COMPLETELY CONVICTED THEIR CASE.

6878
03:44:53,700 --> 03:44:56,100
THINK FELT LIKE THAT IT WAS

6879
03:44:56,100 --> 03:44:57,700
CLEAR AND CONVINCING EVIDENCE.

6880
03:44:57,700 --> 03:45:01,266
YOU KNOW, I THINK SITTING IN THE

6881
03:45:01,266 --> 03:45:02,766
ROOM, ONE THOUGHT THAT INSTRUCT

6882
03:45:02,766 --> 03:45:04,800
ME, DEMOCRATS MADE AN EARLY

6883
03:45:04,800 --> 03:45:06,000
DECISION AND HOW TO STRUCTURE

6884
03:45:06,000 --> 03:45:07,466
THIS HEARING IN THAT THEY WOULD

6885
03:45:07,466 --> 03:45:10,066
HAVE THREE WITNESSES, SOMETHING

6886
03:45:10,066 --> 03:45:11,766
YOUR GUESTS HAVE TALKED ABOUT

6887
03:45:11,766 --> 03:45:13,233
AND THERE WOULD BE ONE

6888
03:45:13,233 --> 03:45:13,766
REPUBLICAN WITNESS.

6889
03:45:13,766 --> 03:45:16,533
I WONDER IF THEY DIDN'T CONSIDER

6890
03:45:16,533 --> 03:45:18,066
THAT SINGLE REPUBLICAN WITNESS

6891
03:45:18,066 --> 03:45:20,233
WOULD HAVE KIND OF AN ADVANTAGE

6892
03:45:20,233 --> 03:45:22,700
IN HE COULD TAKE AS MUCH TIME AS

6893
03:45:22,700 --> 03:45:26,200
HE WANTED AND PRESENT ONE LONG

6894
03:45:26,200 --> 03:45:27,466
FLOWING ARGUMENT VERSUS THE

6895
03:45:27,466 --> 03:45:32,933
THREE WITNESSES ON THE

6896
03:45:32,933 --> 03:45:34,700
DEMOCRATIC SIDE THAT YOU WERE

6897
03:45:34,700 --> 03:45:35,833
HEARING FROM THEM POPCORN LIKE

6898
03:45:35,833 --> 03:45:37,433
ONE AFTER THE OTHER.

6899
03:45:37,433 --> 03:45:38,633
DEMOCRATS SAID THEY WANTED THE

6900
03:45:38,633 --> 03:45:39,966
LONG STAFF QUESTIONING, 45

6901
03:45:39,966 --> 03:45:41,633
MINUTES BECAUSE THEY WANTED THE

6902
03:45:41,633 --> 03:45:43,866
CHANCE TO LAY OUT ONE LOGICAL

6903
03:45:43,866 --> 03:45:44,933
FLOW OF AN ARGUMENT.

6904
03:45:44,933 --> 03:45:48,300
I WONDER IF THEY ENDED UP GIVING

6905
03:45:48,300 --> 03:45:49,633
REPUBLICANS AN EVEN BETTER

6906
03:45:49,633 --> 03:45:51,466
OPPORTUNITY BY LIMITING THEM TO

6907
03:45:51,466 --> 03:45:52,600
ONE WITNESS.

6908
03:45:52,600 --> 03:45:53,366
REPUBLICANS HAVE TOLD ME THEY

6909
03:45:53,366 --> 03:45:55,400
DID ASK FOR MORE WITNESSES.

6910
03:45:55,400 --> 03:45:57,000
THEY GAVE SEVERAL NAMES FOR

6911
03:45:57,000 --> 03:45:58,866
POSSIBLE CONSTITUTIONAL SCHOLARS

6912
03:45:58,866 --> 03:46:01,533
FOR THIS HEARING.

6913
03:46:01,533 --> 03:46:03,000
DEMOCRATS SELECTED FROM THAT

6914
03:46:03,000 --> 03:46:04,566
REPUBLICAN LIST MR. TURLEY.

6915
03:46:04,566 --> 03:46:05,933
I'M INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT THEIR

6916
03:46:05,933 --> 03:46:07,466
THOUGHTS ARE LATER ABOUT THAT

6917
03:46:07,466 --> 03:46:07,833
SELECTION.

6918
03:46:07,833 --> 03:46:09,233
>> IT WILL BE VERY INTERESTING

6919
03:46:09,233 --> 03:46:11,466
TO SEE AS WE HAVE NOTED TIME AND

6920
03:46:11,466 --> 03:46:11,766
AGAIN.

6921
03:46:11,766 --> 03:46:13,800
IT'S THE DEMOCRATS THAT ARE IN

6922
03:46:13,800 --> 03:46:15,200
THE MAJORITY.

6923
03:46:15,200 --> 03:46:17,466
THEY MAKE THESE JUDGMENT CALLS

6924
03:46:17,466 --> 03:46:19,233
AND WE'LL SEE WHETHER OR NOT --

6925
03:46:19,233 --> 03:46:20,500
HOW THIS PANS OUT.

6926
03:46:20,500 --> 03:46:22,766
IT IS STRIKING THOUGH AS YOU

6927
03:46:22,766 --> 03:46:24,800
SAID THE DEMOCRATS --

6928
03:46:24,800 --> 03:46:26,100
DEMOCRATIC -- RATHER THE

6929
03:46:26,100 --> 03:46:27,100
WITNESSES CALLED BY THE

6930
03:46:27,100 --> 03:46:28,766
DEMOCRATS, THE CONSTITUTIONAL

6931
03:46:28,766 --> 03:46:33,033
SCHOLARS, LAW PROFESSORS HAVE

6932
03:46:33,033 --> 03:46:34,766
MADE SOME I THINK POINTS THAT

6933
03:46:34,766 --> 03:46:36,966
ARE SALIENT, THAT COME ACROSS,

6934
03:46:36,966 --> 03:46:38,566
SEEM TO BE STRONG POINTS.

6935
03:46:38,566 --> 03:46:40,866
BUT THEN AS YOU SAID, THEY MIX

6936
03:46:40,866 --> 03:46:42,666
IT UP AMONG THEMSELVES AND

6937
03:46:42,666 --> 03:46:45,300
MR. TURLEY CALLED BY THE

6938
03:46:45,300 --> 03:46:46,766
REPUBLICANS HAS HIS OWN 45

6939
03:46:46,766 --> 03:46:49,333
MINUTES ALL PRETTY MUCH TO

6940
03:46:49,333 --> 03:46:49,666
HIMSELF.

6941
03:46:49,666 --> 03:46:51,233
>> ONE OTHER THING ABOUT THAT,

6942
03:46:51,233 --> 03:46:52,766
SOMETHING ABOUT I THINK

6943
03:46:52,766 --> 03:46:57,133
MR. TURLEY'S DEMEANOR IN THE

6944
03:46:57,133 --> 03:46:57,433
ROOM.

6945
03:46:57,433 --> 03:46:58,733
MEMBERS WERE PAYING CLOSER

6946
03:46:58,733 --> 03:46:59,666
ATTENTION TO HIM.

6947
03:46:59,666 --> 03:47:01,700
HE HAS A WAY OF MAKING EYE

6948
03:47:01,700 --> 03:47:03,500
CONTACT WITH THE MEMBERS.

6949
03:47:03,500 --> 03:47:06,233
HE'S RELATING PERSONAL STORIES.

6950
03:47:06,233 --> 03:47:09,733
HE SMOKE ABOUT HIS WIFE.

6951
03:47:09,733 --> 03:47:12,166
HE'S GOT A MORE LAID BACK

6952
03:47:12,166 --> 03:47:13,966
DEMEANOR AND MAKING EYE CONTACT.

6953
03:47:13,966 --> 03:47:15,466
BOTH SIDES PAY MORE ATTENTION TO

6954
03:47:15,466 --> 03:47:17,266
HIM THAN TO THE DEMOCRATIC

6955
03:47:17,266 --> 03:47:17,633
WITNESSES.

6956
03:47:17,633 --> 03:47:20,166
I THINK IN PART, THEY WERE MORE

6957
03:47:20,166 --> 03:47:20,600
PREDICTABLE.

6958
03:47:20,600 --> 03:47:22,633
HIS ANSWERS ARE LESS PREDICTABLE

6959
03:47:22,633 --> 03:47:27,466
AND HE WOULD GET A LITTLE MORE

6960
03:47:27,466 --> 03:47:30,533
ATTENTION FROM THE DAIS OVER THE

6961
03:47:30,533 --> 03:47:30,866
RESULT.

6962
03:47:30,866 --> 03:47:33,200
>> WHEN HE SPOKE ABOUT HIS MAD,

6963
03:47:33,200 --> 03:47:35,233
HE TALKED ABOUT HIS DOG.

6964
03:47:35,233 --> 03:47:36,533
LISA, WE'RE GOING TO LET YOU

6965
03:47:36,533 --> 03:47:37,933
WATCH WHAT'S GOING ON AND MAYBE

6966
03:47:37,933 --> 03:47:40,166
COME BACK.

6967
03:47:40,166 --> 03:47:41,900
LISA REPORTING FROM THE CAPITOL

6968
03:47:41,900 --> 03:47:43,300
AS THE HOUSE JUDICIARY TAKES A

6969
03:47:43,300 --> 03:47:45,700
BREAK FROM THE IMPEACHMENT

6970
03:47:45,700 --> 03:47:48,166
HEARING IN ORDER TO TAKE SOME

6971
03:47:48,166 --> 03:47:51,433
VOTES ON THE HOUSE FLOOR.

6972
03:47:51,433 --> 03:47:54,700
SOL, I WANT TO COME BACK TO YOU

6973
03:47:54,700 --> 03:47:57,266
ON THIS DECISION BY THE

6974
03:47:57,266 --> 03:47:58,800
DEMOCRATS TO NOT -- WE KNEW THEY

6975
03:47:58,800 --> 03:48:00,733
WOULD HAVE MORE WITNESSES.

6976
03:48:00,733 --> 03:48:03,233
THAT IS THEIR RIGHT TO DO THAT.

6977
03:48:03,233 --> 03:48:07,500
BUT TO STRUCTURE THIS IN THE WAY

6978
03:48:07,500 --> 03:48:10,800
THAT THEY HAVE IS -- IN ESSENCE

6979
03:48:10,800 --> 03:48:13,066
THESE THREE PROFESSORS THAT THE

6980
03:48:13,066 --> 03:48:14,500
DEMOCRATS CALLED ARE REPEATING

6981
03:48:14,500 --> 03:48:16,266
EACH OTHER'S ARGUMENTS, AREN'T

6982
03:48:16,266 --> 03:48:16,566
THEY?

6983
03:48:16,566 --> 03:48:19,500
>> IT'S AMAZING TO FIND OUT THAT

6984
03:48:19,500 --> 03:48:21,933
THE DEMOCRATS ACTUALLY PICKED

6985
03:48:21,933 --> 03:48:24,400
TURLEY FROM THE REPUBLICAN LIST

6986
03:48:24,400 --> 03:48:26,733
BECAUSE HE'S VERY ELOQUENT.

6987
03:48:26,733 --> 03:48:29,633
HE'S DONE THIS -- HE'S ON TV

6988
03:48:29,633 --> 03:48:31,866
CONSTANTLY AND HE'S TESTIFIED

6989
03:48:31,866 --> 03:48:32,266
CONSTANTLY.

6990
03:48:32,266 --> 03:48:33,800
HE HAS PERSONAL EXPERIENCE AS

6991
03:48:33,800 --> 03:48:34,766
COUNSEL IN IMPEACHMENT CASES.

6992
03:48:34,766 --> 03:48:36,766
SO I CERTAINLY THINK AGAIN FROM

6993
03:48:36,766 --> 03:48:39,266
A TACTICAL PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S A

6994
03:48:39,266 --> 03:48:40,000
BIG MISTAKE.

6995
03:48:40,000 --> 03:48:42,733
>> WE ARE -- WE RIGHT NOW ARE

6996
03:48:42,733 --> 03:48:44,666
WAITING FOR THE COMMITTEE TO

6997
03:48:44,666 --> 03:48:46,400
COME BACK FROM ITS BREAK.

6998
03:48:46,400 --> 03:48:48,533
WE WOULD LIKE TO REPLAY FOR YOU

6999
03:48:48,533 --> 03:48:49,800
AND MAYBE WE'LL HAVE TIME TO DO

7000
03:48:49,800 --> 03:48:52,766
THIS IN ITS ENTIRETY, THE

7001
03:48:52,766 --> 03:48:54,666
OPENING STATEMENT BY THE

7002
03:48:54,666 --> 03:48:56,200
DEMOCRATIC CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE

7003
03:48:56,200 --> 03:48:57,766
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE JERRY NADLER

7004
03:48:57,766 --> 03:49:00,666
AND FOLLOWED BY THE OPENING

7005
03:49:00,666 --> 03:49:02,400
STATEMENT BY THE RANKING

7006
03:49:02,400 --> 03:49:04,833
REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN DOUG

7007
03:49:04,833 --> 03:49:05,800
COLLINS OF GEORGIA.

7008
03:49:05,800 --> 03:49:09,466
LET'S START BY AIRING CHAIRMAN

7009
03:49:09,466 --> 03:49:10,366
NADLER'S STATEMENT.

7010
03:49:10,366 --> 03:49:14,800
>> THE FACTS BEFORE US ARE

7011
03:49:14,800 --> 03:49:15,366
UNDISPUTED.

7012
03:49:15,366 --> 03:49:18,166
ON JULY 25, PRESIDENT TRUMP

7013
03:49:18,166 --> 03:49:19,500
CALLED PRESIDENT ZELENSKY OF

7014
03:49:19,500 --> 03:49:21,033
UKRAINE AND PRESIDENT TRUMP'S

7015
03:49:21,033 --> 03:49:23,166
WORDS ASKED HIM FOR A FAVOR.

7016
03:49:23,166 --> 03:49:25,866
THAT CALL WAS PART OF A

7017
03:49:25,866 --> 03:49:27,233
CONCERTED EFFORT BY THE

7018
03:49:27,233 --> 03:49:29,266
PRESIDENT AND HIS MEN TO SOLICIT

7019
03:49:29,266 --> 03:49:31,466
A PERSONAL ADVANTAGE IN THE NEXT

7020
03:49:31,466 --> 03:49:31,833
ELECTION.

7021
03:49:31,833 --> 03:49:34,133
THIS TIME IN THE FORM OF AN

7022
03:49:34,133 --> 03:49:36,000
INVESTIGATION OF HIS POLITICAL

7023
03:49:36,000 --> 03:49:37,800
ADVERSARIES BY A FOREIGN

7024
03:49:37,800 --> 03:49:38,666
GOVERNMENT.

7025
03:49:38,666 --> 03:49:41,733
TO OBTAIN THAT PRIVATE POLITICAL

7026
03:49:41,733 --> 03:49:42,833
ADVANTAGE, PRESIDENT TRUMP

7027
03:49:42,833 --> 03:49:44,133
WITHHELD BOTH AN OFFICIAL WHITE

7028
03:49:44,133 --> 03:49:46,766
HOUSE MEETING FROM THE

7029
03:49:46,766 --> 03:49:49,000
NEWLY-ELECTED PRESIDENT OF THE

7030
03:49:49,000 --> 03:49:51,300
FRAGILE DEMOCRACY AND WITHHELD

7031
03:49:51,300 --> 03:49:54,466
VITAL MILITARY AID FROM A

7032
03:49:54,466 --> 03:49:55,333
VULNERABLE ALLY.

7033
03:49:55,333 --> 03:49:56,466
WHEN CONGRESS FOUND OUT ABOUT

7034
03:49:56,466 --> 03:49:59,200
THIS SCHEME AND BEGAN TO

7035
03:49:59,200 --> 03:50:00,366
INVESTIGATE, PRESIDENT TRUMP

7036
03:50:00,366 --> 03:50:02,200
TOOK EXTRAORDINARY AND UNPRESHE

7037
03:50:02,200 --> 03:50:04,733
DEBTED STEPS TO COVER UP HIS

7038
03:50:04,733 --> 03:50:07,233
EFFORTS AND TO WITHHOLD EVIDENCE

7039
03:50:07,233 --> 03:50:08,633
FROM THE INVESTIGATORS.

7040
03:50:08,633 --> 03:50:10,633
WHEN WITNESSES DISOBEYED HIM,

7041
03:50:10,633 --> 03:50:12,366
WHEN CAREER PROFESSIONALS CAME

7042
03:50:12,366 --> 03:50:14,500
FORWARD AND TOLD US THE TRUTH,

7043
03:50:14,500 --> 03:50:16,733
HE ATTACKED THEM VICIOUSLY.

7044
03:50:16,733 --> 03:50:17,766
CALLING THEM TRAITORS AND LIE I

7045
03:50:17,766 --> 03:50:20,866
DON'T REMEMBERS, PROMISES THAT

7046
03:50:20,866 --> 03:50:24,366
THEY WILL GO THROUGH SOME

7047
03:50:24,366 --> 03:50:24,700
THINGS.

7048
03:50:24,700 --> 03:50:26,566
OF COURSE THIS IS NOT THE FIRST

7049
03:50:26,566 --> 03:50:28,566
TIME THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS

7050
03:50:28,566 --> 03:50:31,400
ENGAGED IN THIS PATTERN OF

7051
03:50:31,400 --> 03:50:31,733
CONDUCT.

7052
03:50:31,733 --> 03:50:34,066
IN 2016, THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT

7053
03:50:34,066 --> 03:50:36,500
ENGAGED IN A SWEEPING AND

7054
03:50:36,500 --> 03:50:37,533
SYSTEMATIC CAMPAIGN OF

7055
03:50:37,533 --> 03:50:40,133
INTERFERENCE IN THEIR ELECTIONS.

7056
03:50:40,133 --> 03:50:43,366
IN THE WORDS OF SPECIAL COUNSEL

7057
03:50:43,366 --> 03:50:44,266
ROBERT MUELLER "THE RUSSIAN

7058
03:50:44,266 --> 03:50:45,233
GOVERNMENT PERCEIVED IT WOULD

7059
03:50:45,233 --> 03:50:47,400
BENEFIT FROM A TRUMP PRESIDENCY

7060
03:50:47,400 --> 03:50:50,066
AND WORK TO SECURITY THAT

7061
03:50:50,066 --> 03:50:50,433
OUTCOME."

7062
03:50:50,433 --> 03:50:53,633
THE PRESIDENT WELCOMED THAT

7063
03:50:53,633 --> 03:50:54,066
INTERFERENCE.

7064
03:50:54,066 --> 03:50:56,233
WE SAW THIS IN REAL TIME WHEN

7065
03:50:56,233 --> 03:50:57,066
PRESIDENT TRUMP ASKED RUSSIA TO

7066
03:50:57,066 --> 03:50:59,433
HACK HIS POLITICAL OPPONENT.

7067
03:50:59,433 --> 03:51:01,433
THE VERY NEXT DAY, A RUSSIAN

7068
03:51:01,433 --> 03:51:04,400
MILITARY INTELLIGENCE UNIT

7069
03:51:04,400 --> 03:51:07,433
ATTEMPTED TO HACK THAT POLITICAL

7070
03:51:07,433 --> 03:51:07,800
OPPONENT.

7071
03:51:07,800 --> 03:51:10,766
WHEN HIS OWN JUSTICE DEPARTMENT

7072
03:51:10,766 --> 03:51:13,000
TRIED TO UNCOVER THE EXTENT TO

7073
03:51:13,000 --> 03:51:14,400
WHICH A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT BROKE

7074
03:51:14,400 --> 03:51:18,133
OUR LAWS, THE PRESIDENT TOOK

7075
03:51:18,133 --> 03:51:18,866
UNPRECEDENTED STEPS TO OBSTRUCT

7076
03:51:18,866 --> 03:51:22,733
THE INVESTIGATION, INCLUDING

7077
03:51:22,733 --> 03:51:27,433
IGNORING SUBPOENAS AND PUBLICLY

7078
03:51:27,433 --> 03:51:28,766
ATTACKING AND INTIMIDATING

7079
03:51:28,766 --> 03:51:29,366
WITNESSES.

7080
03:51:29,366 --> 03:51:31,433
THIS IS THE ADMINISTRATION'S

7081
03:51:31,433 --> 03:51:34,666
LEVEL OF OBSTRUCTION IS WITHOUT

7082
03:51:34,666 --> 03:51:35,400
PRECEDENT.

7083
03:51:35,400 --> 03:51:37,400
NO OTHER PRESIDENT HAS VOWED TO

7084
03:51:37,400 --> 03:51:40,733
"FIGHT ALL OF THE SUBPOENAS" AS

7085
03:51:40,733 --> 03:51:42,666
PRESIDENT TRUMP PROMISED.

7086
03:51:42,666 --> 03:51:45,533
IN THE 1974 IMPEACHMENT

7087
03:51:45,533 --> 03:51:46,733
PROCEEDINGS, PRESIDENT NIXON

7088
03:51:46,733 --> 03:51:48,600
PRODUCED DOZENS OF RECORDINGS.

7089
03:51:48,600 --> 03:51:52,266
IN 1998, PRESIDENT CLINTON

7090
03:51:52,266 --> 03:51:54,100
PHYSICALLY GAVE HIS BLOOD.

7091
03:51:54,100 --> 03:51:56,633
PRESIDENT TRUMP BY CONTRAST HAS

7092
03:51:56,633 --> 03:51:58,700
REFUSED TO PRODUCE A SINGLE

7093
03:51:58,700 --> 03:52:00,966
DOCUMENT AND DIRECTED EVERY

7094
03:52:00,966 --> 03:52:03,300
WITNESS NOT TO TESTIFY.

7095
03:52:03,300 --> 03:52:07,033
THOSE ARE THE FACTS BEFORE US.

7096
03:52:07,033 --> 03:52:08,866
IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY HAS MOVED

7097
03:52:08,866 --> 03:52:10,766
BACK TO THE HOUSE JUDICIARY

7098
03:52:10,766 --> 03:52:11,133
COMMITTEE.

7099
03:52:11,133 --> 03:52:13,333
AS WE BEGIN A REVIEW, THE

7100
03:52:13,333 --> 03:52:15,066
PRESIDENT'S PATTERN OF BEHAVIOR

7101
03:52:15,066 --> 03:52:16,266
IS CLEAR.

7102
03:52:16,266 --> 03:52:18,466
PRESIDENT TRUMP WELCOMED FOREIGN

7103
03:52:18,466 --> 03:52:21,733
INTERFERENCE IN THE 2016

7104
03:52:21,733 --> 03:52:22,100
ELECTION.

7105
03:52:22,100 --> 03:52:25,100
HE DEMANDED IT FOR THE 2020

7106
03:52:25,100 --> 03:52:25,466
ELECTION.

7107
03:52:25,466 --> 03:52:28,533
IN BOTH CASES, HE GOT CAUGHT.

7108
03:52:28,533 --> 03:52:31,900
IN BOTH CASES HE DID EVERYTHING

7109
03:52:31,900 --> 03:52:33,733
IN HIS POWER TO PREVENT THE

7110
03:52:33,733 --> 03:52:34,466
AMERICAN PEOPLE FROM LEARNING

7111
03:52:34,466 --> 03:52:35,433
THE TRUTH ABOUT HIS CONDUCT.

7112
03:52:35,433 --> 03:52:38,766
JULY 24th, THE SPECIAL COUNSEL

7113
03:52:38,766 --> 03:52:39,933
TESTIFIED BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE.

7114
03:52:39,933 --> 03:52:42,633
HE IMPLORED US TO SEE THE NATURE

7115
03:52:42,633 --> 03:52:45,100
OF THE THREATS TO OUR COUNTRY.

7116
03:52:45,100 --> 03:52:46,900
"OVER THE COURSE OF MY CAREER, I

7117
03:52:46,900 --> 03:52:49,933
HAVE SEEN A NUMBER OF CHALLENGES

7118
03:52:49,933 --> 03:52:50,966
TO OUR DEMOCRACY.

7119
03:52:50,966 --> 03:52:51,733
THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT'S EFFORTS

7120
03:52:51,733 --> 03:52:54,666
TO INTERFERE IN OUR ELECTIONS IS

7121
03:52:54,666 --> 03:52:56,000
AMONG THE MOST SERIOUS.

7122
03:52:56,000 --> 03:52:59,666
THIS DESERVES THE ATTENTION OF

7123
03:52:59,666 --> 03:53:01,466
EVERY AMERICAN."

7124
03:53:01,466 --> 03:53:02,600
IGNORING THAT WARNING, PRESIDENT

7125
03:53:02,600 --> 03:53:04,366
TRUMP CALLED THE UKRAINIAN

7126
03:53:04,366 --> 03:53:05,700
PRESIDENT THE VERY NEXT DAY TO

7127
03:53:05,700 --> 03:53:08,400
ASK HIM TO INVESTIGATE THE

7128
03:53:08,400 --> 03:53:10,766
PRESIDENT'S POLITICAL OPPONENT.

7129
03:53:10,766 --> 03:53:11,733
AS WE EXERCISED OUR

7130
03:53:11,733 --> 03:53:12,600
RESPONSIBILITY TO DETERMINE

7131
03:53:12,600 --> 03:53:16,766
WHETHER THIS PATTERN OF BEHAVIOR

7132
03:53:16,766 --> 03:53:17,866
CONSTITUTES AN IMPEACHABLE

7133
03:53:17,866 --> 03:53:19,700
OFFENSE, IT'S IMPORTANT TO PLACE

7134
03:53:19,700 --> 03:53:22,133
PRESIDENT TRUMP'S CONDUCT INTO

7135
03:53:22,133 --> 03:53:23,100
HISTORICAL CONTEXT.

7136
03:53:23,100 --> 03:53:25,000
SINCE THE FOUNDING OF OUR

7137
03:53:25,000 --> 03:53:27,433
COUNTRY, THE HOUSE OF

7138
03:53:27,433 --> 03:53:28,300
REPRESENTATIVES HAS IMPEACHED

7139
03:53:28,300 --> 03:53:29,000
ONLY TWO PRESIDENTS.

7140
03:53:29,000 --> 03:53:32,633
A THIRD WAS ON HIS WAY TO

7141
03:53:32,633 --> 03:53:33,566
IMPEACHMENT WHEN HE RESIGNED.

7142
03:53:33,566 --> 03:53:36,566
THIS COMMITTEE HAS VOTED TO

7143
03:53:36,566 --> 03:53:38,433
IMPEACH TWO PRESIDENTS FOR

7144
03:53:38,433 --> 03:53:39,433
OBSTRUCTING JUSTICE.

7145
03:53:39,433 --> 03:53:41,066
WE HAVE VOTED TO IMPEACH ONE

7146
03:53:41,066 --> 03:53:42,866
PRESIDENT FOR OBSTRUCTING A

7147
03:53:42,866 --> 03:53:43,533
CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATION.

7148
03:53:43,533 --> 03:53:45,166
TO THE EXTENT THAT PRESIDENT

7149
03:53:45,166 --> 03:53:47,433
TRUMP'S CONDUCT FITS THESE

7150
03:53:47,433 --> 03:53:49,733
CATEGORIES, THERE'S PRECEDENT

7151
03:53:49,733 --> 03:53:51,400
FOR RECOMMENDING IMPEACHMENT

7152
03:53:51,400 --> 03:53:51,966
HERE.

7153
03:53:51,966 --> 03:53:53,933
NEVER BEFORE IN THE HISTORY OF

7154
03:53:53,933 --> 03:53:55,500
THE REPUBLIC HAVE WE BEEN FORCED

7155
03:53:55,500 --> 03:53:57,566
TO CONSIDER THE CONDUCT OF A

7156
03:53:57,566 --> 03:53:59,100
PRESIDENT WHO APPEARS TO HAVE

7157
03:53:59,100 --> 03:54:01,600
SOLICITED PERSONAL POLITICAL

7158
03:54:01,600 --> 03:54:03,466
FAVORS FROM A FOREIGN

7159
03:54:03,466 --> 03:54:05,033
GOVERNMENT.

7160
03:54:05,033 --> 03:54:07,133
NEVER BEFORE HAS A PRESIDENT

7161
03:54:07,133 --> 03:54:08,500
ENGAGED IN THE COURSE OF CONDUCT

7162
03:54:08,500 --> 03:54:10,166
THAT INCLUDED ALL OF THE ACTS

7163
03:54:10,166 --> 03:54:11,966
THAT MOST CONCERNED THE FRAMERS.

7164
03:54:11,966 --> 03:54:15,366
THE PATRIOTS THAT FOUNDED OUR

7165
03:54:15,366 --> 03:54:17,966
COUNTRY WERE NOT FEARFUL MEN.

7166
03:54:17,966 --> 03:54:19,466
THEY FOUGHT A WAR.

7167
03:54:19,466 --> 03:54:21,866
THEY WITNESSED TERRIBLE

7168
03:54:21,866 --> 03:54:22,233
VIOLENCE.

7169
03:54:22,233 --> 03:54:23,733
THEY OVERTHREW A KING.

7170
03:54:23,733 --> 03:54:25,800
AS THEY MET TO FRAME OUR

7171
03:54:25,800 --> 03:54:27,433
CONSTITUTION, THOSE PATRIOTS

7172
03:54:27,433 --> 03:54:29,333
STILL FEARED ONE THREAT ABOVE

7173
03:54:29,333 --> 03:54:29,733
ALL.

7174
03:54:29,733 --> 03:54:34,766
FOREIGN INTERFERENCE IN OUR

7175
03:54:34,766 --> 03:54:38,700
ELECTIONS.

7176
03:54:38,700 --> 03:54:44,400
THEY JUXTAPOSED A TYRANT.

7177
03:54:44,400 --> 03:54:46,933
IN THE EARLY YEARS OF THE

7178
03:54:46,933 --> 03:54:49,600
REPUBLIC, THEY ASKED US TO BE

7179
03:54:49,600 --> 03:54:51,366
VIGILANT TO THAT THREAT.

7180
03:54:51,366 --> 03:54:53,733
WASHINGTON WARNED US "TO BE

7181
03:54:53,733 --> 03:54:55,233
CONSTANTLY AWAKE SINCE HISTORY

7182
03:54:55,233 --> 03:54:56,500
AND EXPERIENCE PROVED THAT

7183
03:54:56,500 --> 03:54:59,433
FOREIGN INFLUENCES IS ONE OF THE

7184
03:54:59,433 --> 03:55:05,233
MOST BAINFUL FOES OF REPUBLICAN

7185
03:55:05,233 --> 03:55:06,100
GOVERNMENTS."

7186
03:55:06,100 --> 03:55:08,466
ADAMS WROTE, THE DANGER OF

7187
03:55:08,466 --> 03:55:15,466
FOREIGN INFLUENCE RECURS.

7188
03:55:15,466 --> 03:55:18,900
HAMILTON'S WARNING WAS MORE

7189
03:55:18,900 --> 03:55:19,466
DIRE.

7190
03:55:19,466 --> 03:55:23,466
HE SAID ADVERSARIES WOULD

7191
03:55:23,466 --> 03:55:24,966
ATTEMPT TO RAISE A CREATURE OF

7192
03:55:24,966 --> 03:55:26,266
THEIR OWN TO THE UNION.

7193
03:55:26,266 --> 03:55:28,700
IN SHORT, THE FOUNDERS WARNED US

7194
03:55:28,700 --> 03:55:30,866
THAT WE SHOULD EXPECT OUR

7195
03:55:30,866 --> 03:55:32,833
FOREIGN ADVERSARIES TO TARGET

7196
03:55:32,833 --> 03:55:39,000
OUR ELECTIONS AND WE WILL FIND

7197
03:55:39,000 --> 03:55:44,700
OURSELVES IN GREATER DANGER IF

7198
03:55:44,700 --> 03:55:46,566
THEOPENS THE DOOR TO THEIR

7199
03:55:46,566 --> 03:55:46,966
WILLINGNESS.

7200
03:55:46,966 --> 03:55:48,900
HOW WILL WE KNOW IN THE

7201
03:55:48,900 --> 03:55:49,900
PRESIDENT HAS BETRAYED HIS

7202
03:55:49,900 --> 03:55:50,866
COUNTRY IN THIS MANNER?

7203
03:55:50,866 --> 03:55:54,433
HOW WILL WE KNOW IF HE BETRAYS

7204
03:55:54,433 --> 03:55:57,200
IT FOR PETTY PERSONAL GAIN?

7205
03:55:57,200 --> 03:55:59,533
HAMILTON HAD A RESPONSE AS WELL.

7206
03:55:59,533 --> 03:56:03,466
HE WROTE "WHEN A MAN

7207
03:56:03,466 --> 03:56:06,033
UNPRINCIPLED IN PRIVATE LIFE,

7208
03:56:06,033 --> 03:56:09,166
BOLD IN HIS TEMPER, POSSESSES OF

7209
03:56:09,166 --> 03:56:10,800
CONSIDERABLE TALENTS, KNOWN TO

7210
03:56:10,800 --> 03:56:13,900
HAVE SCOFFED AT THE PRINCIPLES

7211
03:56:13,900 --> 03:56:17,600
OF LIBERTY, WHEN A MAN MOUNTS

7212
03:56:17,600 --> 03:56:19,466
THE HOBBY HORSE OF POPULARITY,

7213
03:56:19,466 --> 03:56:21,566
TO TAKE EVERY OPPORTUNITY OF

7214
03:56:21,566 --> 03:56:22,800
EMBARRASSING THE GENERAL

7215
03:56:22,800 --> 03:56:25,500
GOVERNMENT AND BRINGING IT UNDER

7216
03:56:25,500 --> 03:56:28,133
SUSPICION, IT MAY JUSTLY BE

7217
03:56:28,133 --> 03:56:30,433
SUSPECTED HIS OBJECT IS TO THROW

7218
03:56:30,433 --> 03:56:31,666
THINGS INTO CONFUSION THAT HE

7219
03:56:31,666 --> 03:56:34,766
MAY RIDE THE STORM AND DIRECT

7220
03:56:34,766 --> 03:56:36,466
THE WHIRLWIND."

7221
03:56:36,466 --> 03:56:37,600
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE STORM

7222
03:56:37,600 --> 03:56:40,666
IN WHICH WE FIND OURSELVES IN

7223
03:56:40,666 --> 03:56:41,933
TODAY WAS SET IN MOTION BY

7224
03:56:41,933 --> 03:56:42,600
PRESIDENT TRUMP.

7225
03:56:42,600 --> 03:56:46,700
I DO NOT WISH THIS MOMENT ON THE

7226
03:56:46,700 --> 03:56:47,033
COUNTRY.

7227
03:56:47,033 --> 03:56:49,066
IT'S NOT A PLEASANT TASK THAT WE

7228
03:56:49,066 --> 03:56:49,866
UNDERTAKE TODAY.

7229
03:56:49,866 --> 03:56:52,766
WE HAVE EACH TAKEN AN OATH TO

7230
03:56:52,766 --> 03:56:55,233
PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION AND THE

7231
03:56:55,233 --> 03:56:56,566
FACTS BEFORE US ARE CLEAR.

7232
03:56:56,566 --> 03:56:58,066
PRESIDENT TRUMP DID NOT MERELY

7233
03:56:58,066 --> 03:56:59,666
SEEK TO BENEFIT FROM FOREIGN

7234
03:56:59,666 --> 03:57:03,066
INTERFERENCE IN OUR ELECTIONS.

7235
03:57:03,066 --> 03:57:05,133
HE DIRECTLY AND INVITED FOREIGN

7236
03:57:05,133 --> 03:57:06,400
INTERFERENCE IN OUR ELECTIONS.

7237
03:57:06,400 --> 03:57:08,733
HE USED THE POWERS OF HIS OFFICE

7238
03:57:08,733 --> 03:57:10,433
TO TRY TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.

7239
03:57:10,433 --> 03:57:12,566
HE SENT HIS AGENTS TO MAY CLEAR

7240
03:57:12,566 --> 03:57:15,400
THAT THIS IS WHAT HE WANTED AND

7241
03:57:15,400 --> 03:57:16,166
DEMANDED.

7242
03:57:16,166 --> 03:57:18,866
HE WAS WILLING TO COMPROMISE OUR

7243
03:57:18,866 --> 03:57:21,700
SECURITY AND HIS OFFICE FOR

7244
03:57:21,700 --> 03:57:23,066
PERSONAL POLITICAL GAIN.

7245
03:57:23,066 --> 03:57:25,633
IT DOES NOT MATTER THAT

7246
03:57:25,633 --> 03:57:28,000
PRESIDENT TRUMP GOT CAUGHT AND

7247
03:57:28,000 --> 03:57:29,266
ULTIMATELY RELEASED THE FUNDS

7248
03:57:29,266 --> 03:57:31,466
THAT THE UKRAINE SO DESPERATELY

7249
03:57:31,466 --> 03:57:32,566
NEEDED.

7250
03:57:32,566 --> 03:57:36,633
IT MATTERS THAT HE ENLISTED A

7251
03:57:36,633 --> 03:57:37,766
FOREIGN GOVERNMENT TO INTERVENE

7252
03:57:37,766 --> 03:57:39,700
IN THE FIRST PLACE.

7253
03:57:39,700 --> 03:57:41,766
DOES NOT MATTER THAT PRESIDENT

7254
03:57:41,766 --> 03:57:43,433
TRUMP FELT THAT THESE

7255
03:57:43,433 --> 03:57:44,166
INVESTIGATIONS WERE UNFAIR TO

7256
03:57:44,166 --> 03:57:45,100
HIM.

7257
03:57:45,100 --> 03:57:47,066
IT MATTERS THAT HE USED HIS

7258
03:57:47,066 --> 03:57:50,000
OFFICE NOT MERELY TO DEFEND

7259
03:57:50,000 --> 03:57:52,700
HIMSELF BUT TO OBSTRUCT

7260
03:57:52,700 --> 03:57:54,100
INVESTIGATORS AT EVERY TURN.

7261
03:57:54,100 --> 03:57:56,300
WE'RE ALL AWARE THE NEXT

7262
03:57:56,300 --> 03:57:57,100
ELECTION IS LOOMING.

7263
03:57:57,100 --> 03:57:59,066
WE CANNOT WAIT FOR THE ELECTION

7264
03:57:59,066 --> 03:58:01,733
TO ADDRESS THE PRESENT CRISIS.

7265
03:58:01,733 --> 03:58:03,500
THE INTEGRITY OF THAT ELECTION

7266
03:58:03,500 --> 03:58:07,500
IS ONE OF THE VERY THINGS AT

7267
03:58:07,500 --> 03:58:07,800
STAKE.

7268
03:58:07,800 --> 03:58:09,166
THE PRESIDENT HAS SHOWN US HIS

7269
03:58:09,166 --> 03:58:10,633
PATTERN OF CONDUCT.

7270
03:58:10,633 --> 03:58:12,600
IF WE DON'T ACT TO HOLD HIM IN

7271
03:58:12,600 --> 03:58:14,533
CHECK NOW, PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL

7272
03:58:14,533 --> 03:58:17,300
ALMOST CERTAINLY TRY AGAIN TO

7273
03:58:17,300 --> 03:58:19,466
SOLICIT INTERFERENCE IN THE

7274
03:58:19,466 --> 03:58:21,433
ELECTION FOR HIS PERSONAL

7275
03:58:21,433 --> 03:58:22,066
POLITICAL GAIN.

7276
03:58:22,066 --> 03:58:24,133
TODAY WE WILL BEGIN OUR

7277
03:58:24,133 --> 03:58:25,633
CONVERSATION WHERE WE SHOULD

7278
03:58:25,633 --> 03:58:27,466
WITH THE TEXT OF THE CONTEXT.

7279
03:58:27,466 --> 03:58:29,800
WE ARE EMPOWERED TO RECOMMEND

7280
03:58:29,800 --> 03:58:30,700
THE IMPEACHMENT OF PRESIDENT

7281
03:58:30,700 --> 03:58:32,600
TRUMP TO THE HOUSE IF WE FIND

7282
03:58:32,600 --> 03:58:35,966
THAT HE HAS COMMITTED TREASON,

7283
03:58:35,966 --> 03:58:38,066
BRIBERY OR OTHER HIGH CRIMES AND

7284
03:58:38,066 --> 03:58:38,500
MISDEMEANORS.

7285
03:58:38,500 --> 03:58:40,266
OUR WITNESS PANEL WILL HELP US

7286
03:58:40,266 --> 03:58:41,766
TO GUIDE THAT CONVERSATION.

7287
03:58:41,766 --> 03:58:43,900
IN A FEW DAYS, WE WILL RECONVENE

7288
03:58:43,900 --> 03:58:45,433
AND HEAR FROM THE COMMITTEES AT

7289
03:58:45,433 --> 03:58:48,800
WORK TO UNCOVER THE FACTS BEFORE

7290
03:58:48,800 --> 03:58:49,200
US.

7291
03:58:49,200 --> 03:58:50,933
WHEN WE APPLY THE CONSTITUTION

7292
03:58:50,933 --> 03:58:54,033
TO THOSE FACTS, IF IT IS TRUE

7293
03:58:54,033 --> 03:58:55,433
THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS

7294
03:58:55,433 --> 03:58:57,466
COMMITTED AN IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE

7295
03:58:57,466 --> 03:58:59,433
OR MULTIPLE IMPEACHABLE

7296
03:58:59,433 --> 03:59:01,400
OFFENSES, THEN WE MUST MOVE

7297
03:59:01,400 --> 03:59:03,500
SWIFTLY TO DO OUR DUTY AND

7298
03:59:03,500 --> 03:59:04,866
CHARGE HIM ACCORDINGLY.

7299
03:59:04,866 --> 03:59:08,800
I THANK THE WITNESSES FOR BEING

7300
03:59:08,800 --> 03:59:09,433
HERE TODAY.

7301
03:59:09,433 --> 03:59:10,533
>> FOR EVERYBODY WHO HAS NOT

7302
03:59:10,533 --> 03:59:13,566
BEEN HERE BEFORE, THIS IS A NEW

7303
03:59:13,566 --> 03:59:14,233
ROOM, NEW RULES.

7304
03:59:14,233 --> 03:59:16,700
IT'S A NEW MONTH.

7305
03:59:16,700 --> 03:59:19,500
WE HAVE EVEN GOT CUTE LITTLE

7306
03:59:19,500 --> 03:59:22,766
STICKERS 4 OR STAFF SO WE CAN

7307
03:59:22,766 --> 03:59:23,066
COME.

7308
03:59:23,066 --> 03:59:23,666
IN THIS IS IMPORTANT.

7309
03:59:23,666 --> 03:59:25,066
IT'S IMPEACHMENT.

7310
03:59:25,066 --> 03:59:27,466
WE'VE DONE A TERRIBLE JOB OF IT

7311
03:59:27,466 --> 03:59:27,800
BEFORE.

7312
03:59:27,800 --> 03:59:28,966
WHAT IS NOT NEW IS BASICALLY

7313
03:59:28,966 --> 03:59:31,700
WHAT HAS JUST BEEN REITERATED BY

7314
03:59:31,700 --> 03:59:33,366
THE CHAIRMAN WHAT IS NOT NEW IS

7315
03:59:33,366 --> 03:59:34,266
THE FACTS.

7316
03:59:34,266 --> 03:59:36,766
WHAT IS NOT NEW IS THIS IS THE

7317
03:59:36,766 --> 03:59:39,466
SAME SAD STORY.

7318
03:59:39,466 --> 03:59:40,466
WHAT IS INTERESTING BEFORE I GET

7319
03:59:40,466 --> 03:59:43,000
INTO MY -- PART OF MY OPENING

7320
03:59:43,000 --> 03:59:44,466
STATEMENT, WHAT WAS JUST SAID BY

7321
03:59:44,466 --> 03:59:45,866
THE CHAIRMAN.

7322
03:59:45,866 --> 03:59:49,233
WE WEREN'T -- WE BACK TO A REDO

7323
03:59:49,233 --> 03:59:50,533
OF MR. MUELLER.

7324
03:59:50,533 --> 03:59:52,600
HE SAID THE ATTENTION OF THE

7325
03:59:52,600 --> 03:59:53,966
AMERICAN PEOPLE SHOULD BE ON

7326
03:59:53,966 --> 03:59:55,466
FOREIGN INTERFERENCE.

7327
03:59:55,466 --> 03:59:56,000
I AGREE.

7328
03:59:56,000 --> 03:59:56,900
I GUESS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DID

7329
03:59:56,900 --> 03:59:58,766
NOT INCLUDE THE JUDICIARY

7330
03:59:58,766 --> 03:59:59,133
COMMITTEE.

7331
03:59:59,133 --> 04:00:00,066
WE DIDN'T TAKE IT UP.

7332
04:00:00,066 --> 04:00:03,000
WE DIDN'T HAVE HEARINGS.

7333
04:00:03,000 --> 04:00:04,466
WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING TO DELVE

7334
04:00:04,466 --> 04:00:06,100
DEEPLY INTO THIS ISSUE.

7335
04:00:06,100 --> 04:00:08,166
WE PASSED ELECTION BILLS BUT DID

7336
04:00:08,166 --> 04:00:09,666
NOT GET INTO WHAT MR. MUELLER

7337
04:00:09,666 --> 04:00:10,300
TALKED ABOUT.

7338
04:00:10,300 --> 04:00:11,933
TAKING HIS OWN REPORT AND HAVING

7339
04:00:11,933 --> 04:00:12,633
HEARINGS ABOUT THAT.

7340
04:00:12,633 --> 04:00:13,900
WE DIDN'T DO IT.

7341
04:00:13,900 --> 04:00:15,700
SO I GUESS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

7342
04:00:15,700 --> 04:00:17,666
DOESN'T INCLUDE THE HOUSE

7343
04:00:17,666 --> 04:00:21,200
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE.

7344
04:00:21,200 --> 04:00:23,433
THE INTERESTING THING WE JUST

7345
04:00:23,433 --> 04:00:26,566
HEARD, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT

7346
04:00:26,566 --> 04:00:28,300
OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE

7347
04:00:28,300 --> 04:00:29,433
CONSTITUTION AND THE FOUNDERS

7348
04:00:29,433 --> 04:00:30,800
WHAT IS INTERESTING, THE

7349
04:00:30,800 --> 04:00:32,900
CHAIRMAN TALKED ABOUT THE

7350
04:00:32,900 --> 04:00:34,066
FOUNDERS FROM THE QUOTES AND

7351
04:00:34,066 --> 04:00:36,233
BEING CONCERNED ABOUT FOREIGN

7352
04:00:36,233 --> 04:00:36,600
INFLUENCE.

7353
04:00:36,600 --> 04:00:37,933
WHAT HE ALSO DIDN'T QUOTE IS THE

7354
04:00:37,933 --> 04:00:40,666
FOUNDERS BEING REALLY CONCERNED

7355
04:00:40,666 --> 04:00:43,233
ABOUT POLITICAL IMPEACHMENT.

7356
04:00:43,233 --> 04:00:45,466
YOU JUST DON'T LIKE THE GUY.

7357
04:00:45,466 --> 04:00:46,733
YOU NEVER LOOKED HIM SINCE

7358
04:00:46,733 --> 04:00:49,333
NOVEMBER OF 2016.

7359
04:00:49,333 --> 04:00:50,333
THE CHAIRMAN HAS TALKED ABOUT

7360
04:00:50,333 --> 04:00:51,933
IMPEACHMENT SINCE LAST YEAR WHEN

7361
04:00:51,933 --> 04:00:53,800
HE WAS ELECTED CHAIRMAN.

7362
04:00:53,800 --> 04:00:55,733
TWO YEARS ON NOVEMBER 17, BEFORE

7363
04:00:55,733 --> 04:00:57,633
HE WAS SWORN IN AS CHAIRMAN.

7364
04:00:57,633 --> 04:00:59,333
SO DON'T TELL ME THIS IS ABOUT

7365
04:00:59,333 --> 04:01:00,566
NEW EVIDENCE AND NEW THINGS AND

7366
04:01:00,566 --> 04:01:01,066
NEW STUFF.

7367
04:01:01,066 --> 04:01:02,933
WE MAY HAVE A NEW HEARING ROOM,

7368
04:01:02,933 --> 04:01:04,766
MAY HAVE NEW MICS AND CHAIRS

7369
04:01:04,766 --> 04:01:05,866
THAT AREN'T COMFORTABLE BUT THIS

7370
04:01:05,866 --> 04:01:08,866
IS NOTHING NEW, FOLKS.

7371
04:01:08,866 --> 04:01:10,766
THIS IS SAD.

7372
04:01:10,766 --> 04:01:14,800
SO WHAT DO WE HAVE HERE TODAY?

7373
04:01:14,800 --> 04:01:16,133
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M THINKING?

7374
04:01:16,133 --> 04:01:17,133
I LOOKED AT THIS.

7375
04:01:17,133 --> 04:01:18,433
WHAT IS INTERESTING IS THERE'S

7376
04:01:18,433 --> 04:01:20,966
TWO THINGS THAT HAVE COME VERY

7377
04:01:20,966 --> 04:01:21,266
CLEAR.

7378
04:01:21,266 --> 04:01:23,433
THIS IMPEACHMENT IS NOT ABOUT

7379
04:01:23,433 --> 04:01:23,733
FACTS.

7380
04:01:23,733 --> 04:01:26,700
IF IT WAS, THE OTHER COMMITTEES

7381
04:01:26,700 --> 04:01:27,433
WOULD HAVE SENT OVER

7382
04:01:27,433 --> 04:01:28,766
RECOMMENDATIONS FOR IMPEACHMENT.

7383
04:01:28,766 --> 04:01:31,966
IF IT GOES BADLY, THEY WANT TO

7384
04:01:31,966 --> 04:01:33,500
BLAME ADAM SCHIFF'S COMMITTEE

7385
04:01:33,500 --> 04:01:35,100
AND THEY WANT TO BLAME THIS ONE

7386
04:01:35,100 --> 04:01:37,066
FOR IT GOING BAD.

7387
04:01:37,066 --> 04:01:41,500
BUT THEY'RE ALREADY DRAFTING

7388
04:01:41,500 --> 04:01:42,133
ARTICLES.

7389
04:01:42,133 --> 04:01:45,666
WE WENT IN WITH THIS MUELLER

7390
04:01:45,666 --> 04:01:51,400
COHEN, THE EMOLUMENTS, THE LIST

7391
04:01:51,400 --> 04:01:51,733
GOES ON.

7392
04:01:51,733 --> 04:01:53,300
IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS

7393
04:01:53,300 --> 04:01:54,333
DRIVING THIS?

7394
04:01:54,333 --> 04:01:55,633
THE CLOCK AND THE CALENDAR.

7395
04:01:55,633 --> 04:01:56,200
THAT'S IT.

7396
04:01:56,200 --> 04:01:57,633
MOST PEOPLE IN LIFE, IF YOU WANT

7397
04:01:57,633 --> 04:01:59,366
TO KNOW WHAT THEY VALUE, LOOK AT

7398
04:01:59,366 --> 04:02:01,633
THEIR CHECKBOOK AND THEIR

7399
04:02:01,633 --> 04:02:02,000
CALENDAR.

7400
04:02:02,000 --> 04:02:02,666
YOU KNOW WHAT THEY VALUE.

7401
04:02:02,666 --> 04:02:04,766
THAT'S WHAT THIS COMMITTEE

7402
04:02:04,766 --> 04:02:05,100
VALUES.

7403
04:02:05,100 --> 04:02:05,400
TIME.

7404
04:02:05,400 --> 04:02:06,400
THEY WANT TO DO IT BEFORE THE

7405
04:02:06,400 --> 04:02:07,766
END OF THE YEAR.

7406
04:02:07,766 --> 04:02:08,066
WHY?

7407
04:02:08,066 --> 04:02:09,200
THE CHAIRMAN SAID IT JUST A

7408
04:02:09,200 --> 04:02:09,800
SECOND AGO.

7409
04:02:09,800 --> 04:02:11,633
WE'RE SCARED OF THE ELECTIONS

7410
04:02:11,633 --> 04:02:12,566
NEXT YEAR.

7411
04:02:12,566 --> 04:02:14,666
WE'RE SCARED OF THE ELECTIONS,

7412
04:02:14,666 --> 04:02:15,800
THAT WE'LL LOSE AGAIN.

7413
04:02:15,800 --> 04:02:18,500
SO WE HAVE TO DO THIS NOW.

7414
04:02:18,500 --> 04:02:20,866
THE CLOCK AND THE CALENDAR IS

7415
04:02:20,866 --> 04:02:22,300
WHAT IS DRIVING IMPEACHMENT, NOT

7416
04:02:22,300 --> 04:02:23,433
THE FACTS.

7417
04:02:23,433 --> 04:02:24,233
THAT'S WHAT THE WITNESSES WILL

7418
04:02:24,233 --> 04:02:24,900
SAY TODAY.

7419
04:02:24,900 --> 04:02:26,400
WHAT DO WE HAVE HERE TODAY?

7420
04:02:26,400 --> 04:02:28,666
WHAT IS REALLY INTERESTING TODAY

7421
04:02:28,666 --> 04:02:30,766
AND FOR THE NEXT FEW WEEKS,

7422
04:02:30,766 --> 04:02:32,933
AMERICA WILL SEE WHY MOST PEOPLE

7423
04:02:32,933 --> 04:02:34,200
DON'T GO TO LAW SCHOOL.

7424
04:02:34,200 --> 04:02:38,233
NO OFFENSE TO OUR PROFESSORS.

7425
04:02:38,233 --> 04:02:40,000
BUT PLEASE, REALLY?

7426
04:02:40,000 --> 04:02:41,866
WE'RE BRINGING YOU IN HERE TODAY

7427
04:02:41,866 --> 04:02:43,500
TO TESTIFY SOMETHING ON MOST OF

7428
04:02:43,500 --> 04:02:45,233
YOU HAVE ALREADY WRITTEN ABOUT,

7429
04:02:45,233 --> 04:02:46,166
ALL FOUR, THE OPINIONS WE

7430
04:02:46,166 --> 04:02:47,700
ALREADY KNOW OUT OF THE

7431
04:02:47,700 --> 04:02:48,566
CLASSROOMS THAT MAYBE YOU'RE

7432
04:02:48,566 --> 04:02:51,466
GETTING READY FOR FINALS IN TO

7433
04:02:51,466 --> 04:02:52,433
DISCUSS THINGS THAT YOU PROBABLY

7434
04:02:52,433 --> 04:02:54,100
HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE -- UNLESS

7435
04:02:54,100 --> 04:02:55,766
YOU'RE GOOD ON TV WATCHING THE

7436
04:02:55,766 --> 04:02:58,000
HEARINGS THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS,

7437
04:02:58,000 --> 04:02:59,366
YOU COULDN'T HAVE ACTUALLY

7438
04:02:59,366 --> 04:03:00,533
DIGESTED THE ADAM SCHIFF REPORT

7439
04:03:00,533 --> 04:03:02,066
FROM YESTERDAY OR THE REPUBLICAN

7440
04:03:02,066 --> 04:03:04,533
RESPONSE IN ANY REAL WAY.

7441
04:03:04,533 --> 04:03:07,433
WE CAN BE THEORETICAL ALL WE

7442
04:03:07,433 --> 04:03:10,366
WANT BUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE

7443
04:03:10,366 --> 04:03:11,366
GOING TO SAY HUH?

7444
04:03:11,366 --> 04:03:12,933
WHAT ARE WE DOING?

7445
04:03:12,933 --> 04:03:14,000
THERE'S NO FACT WITNESSES

7446
04:03:14,000 --> 04:03:15,666
PLANNED FOR THIS COMMITTEE.

7447
04:03:15,666 --> 04:03:18,166
THAT'S AN INTERESTING THING.

7448
04:03:18,166 --> 04:03:19,400
THERE'S NO PLAN AT ALL EXCEPT

7449
04:03:19,400 --> 04:03:21,566
NEXT WEEK A HEARING ON THE

7450
04:03:21,566 --> 04:03:22,266
PRECIPITATION FROM THE OTHER

7451
04:03:22,266 --> 04:03:23,866
COMMITTEE TO SEND US A REPORT

7452
04:03:23,866 --> 04:03:24,766
AND THE JUDICIALRY COMMITTEE

7453
04:03:24,766 --> 04:03:26,900
WHICH I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY

7454
04:03:26,900 --> 04:03:29,200
WANT TOP SEND US A REPORT ON, NO

7455
04:03:29,200 --> 04:03:29,500
PLAN.

7456
04:03:29,500 --> 04:03:29,933
NOTHING ELSE.

7457
04:03:29,933 --> 04:03:31,166
I ASKED THE CHAIRMAN BEFORE WE

7458
04:03:31,166 --> 04:03:32,433
FT FOR THANKS GIVING TO STAY

7459
04:03:32,433 --> 04:03:34,766
IN TOUCH, TALK ABOUT WHAT WE

7460
04:03:34,766 --> 04:03:35,066
HAVE.

7461
04:03:35,066 --> 04:03:36,133
HISTORY WILL SHINE A BRIGHT

7462
04:03:36,133 --> 04:03:38,300
LIGHT ON US STARTING THIS

7463
04:03:38,300 --> 04:03:38,633
MORNING.

7464
04:03:38,633 --> 04:03:39,000
CRICKETS.

7465
04:03:39,000 --> 04:03:40,600
UNTIL I ASKED FOR A WITNESS THE

7466
04:03:40,600 --> 04:03:42,600
OTHER DAY AND LET'S SAY THAT

7467
04:03:42,600 --> 04:03:44,400
DIDN'T GO WELL.

7468
04:03:44,400 --> 04:03:45,533
THERE'S NO WHISTLE-BLOWER.

7469
04:03:45,533 --> 04:03:46,733
BY THE WAY, WE'LL PROVE TODAY

7470
04:03:46,733 --> 04:03:49,333
THAT HE'S NOT OR SHE'S NOT

7471
04:03:49,333 --> 04:03:51,566
AFFORDED THE PROTECTION OF

7472
04:03:51,566 --> 04:03:51,933
IDENTITY.

7473
04:03:51,933 --> 04:03:54,733
IT'S NOT IN THE STATUTE.

7474
04:03:54,733 --> 04:03:56,833
IT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS MADE UP

7475
04:03:56,833 --> 04:03:57,833
BY ADAM SCHIFF.

7476
04:03:57,833 --> 04:03:59,233
WE ALSO DON'T HAVE ADAM SCHIFF

7477
04:03:59,233 --> 04:03:59,933
WHO WROTE THE REPORT.

7478
04:03:59,933 --> 04:04:03,466
HE SAID I'M NOT GOING TO.

7479
04:04:03,466 --> 04:04:05,500
I'LL SEND STAFF TO DO THAT.

7480
04:04:05,500 --> 04:04:07,066
HE'S NOT GOING TO.

7481
04:04:07,066 --> 04:04:08,666
YOU KNOW, TO ME, IF HE WAS

7482
04:04:08,666 --> 04:04:09,800
WANTING TO, HE WOULD COME

7483
04:04:09,800 --> 04:04:10,800
BEGGING TO US.

7484
04:04:10,800 --> 04:04:12,200
HERE'S THE PROBLEM.

7485
04:04:12,200 --> 04:04:15,700
HE SUMS IT UP SIMPLY LIKE THIS.

7486
04:04:15,700 --> 04:04:17,733
JUST 19 MINUTES AFTERNOON ON

7487
04:04:17,733 --> 04:04:19,466
INAUGURATION DAY, THE CAMPAIGN

7488
04:04:19,466 --> 04:04:22,300
TO IMPEACH THE PRESIDENT HAS

7489
04:04:22,300 --> 04:04:22,766
BEGUN.

7490
04:04:22,766 --> 04:04:27,166
THAT'S "THE WASHINGTON POST."

7491
04:04:27,166 --> 04:04:28,766
ANOTHER TWEET, THE COUP IS

7492
04:04:28,766 --> 04:04:29,100
STARTED.

7493
04:04:29,100 --> 04:04:30,433
THE IMPEACHMENT WILL FOLLOW.

7494
04:04:30,433 --> 04:04:31,866
AL GREEN SAYS IF WE DON'T

7495
04:04:31,866 --> 04:04:33,766
IMPEACH THE PRESIDENT, HE WILL

7496
04:04:33,766 --> 04:04:34,300
GET RE-ELECTED.

7497
04:04:34,300 --> 04:04:35,933
YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS HAPPEN

7498
04:04:35,933 --> 04:04:37,500
SOMETHING HERE WE GO.

7499
04:04:37,500 --> 04:04:38,866
WHY DID EVERYTHING I SAY UP TO

7500
04:04:38,866 --> 04:04:40,733
THIS POINT ABOUT NO FACT

7501
04:04:40,733 --> 04:04:42,333
WITNESSES, NOTHING FOR THE

7502
04:04:42,333 --> 04:04:44,800
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE WHICH SPEND

7503
04:04:44,800 --> 04:04:48,333
2 1/2 WEEKS BEFORE THIS HEARING

7504
04:04:48,333 --> 04:04:50,133
WAS HELD, WE DIDN'T FIND YOUR

7505
04:04:50,133 --> 04:04:52,233
NAMES OUT UNTIL LESS THAN 48

7506
04:04:52,233 --> 04:04:55,066
HOURS AGO.

7507
04:04:55,066 --> 04:04:56,000
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE PLAYING

7508
04:04:56,000 --> 04:04:56,833
HIDE THE BAN ON.

7509
04:04:56,833 --> 04:04:58,600
IT'S EASY WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO

7510
04:04:58,600 --> 04:04:58,866
SAY.

7511
04:04:58,866 --> 04:05:00,533
SO WHAT ARE WE DOING THE NEXT

7512
04:05:00,533 --> 04:05:01,366
TWO WEEKS?

7513
04:05:01,366 --> 04:05:03,466
THE I HAVE NO HIDE.

7514
04:05:03,466 --> 04:05:05,966
THE CHAIR SAID A HEARING ON THE

7515
04:05:05,966 --> 04:05:06,300
REPORT.

7516
04:05:06,300 --> 04:05:07,800
IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE FACT

7517
04:05:07,800 --> 04:05:09,933
WITNESSES, WE'RE THE RUBBER

7518
04:05:09,933 --> 04:05:11,466
STAMP HIDING OUT BACK, THE VERY

7519
04:05:11,466 --> 04:05:12,533
RUBBER STAMP THE CHAIRMAN TALKS

7520
04:05:12,533 --> 04:05:14,033
ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO.

7521
04:05:14,033 --> 04:05:16,166
WHAT A DISGRACE TO THIS

7522
04:05:16,166 --> 04:05:16,766
COMMITTEE.

7523
04:05:16,766 --> 04:05:18,466
TO HAVE THIS COMMITTEE OF

7524
04:05:18,466 --> 04:05:20,000
IMPEACHMENT SIMPLY TAKE FROM

7525
04:05:20,000 --> 04:05:22,966
OTHER ENTITY AND RUBBER STAMP

7526
04:05:22,966 --> 04:05:23,233
IT.

7527
04:05:23,233 --> 04:05:24,766
YOU SEE WHY DOES DO THE THINGS I

7528
04:05:24,766 --> 04:05:26,466
SAY MATTER ABOUT FACT WITNESSES

7529
04:05:26,466 --> 04:05:28,633
AND HEARINGS AND HAVING A DUE

7530
04:05:28,633 --> 04:05:28,966
PROCESS?

7531
04:05:28,966 --> 04:05:30,933
BY THE WAY, JUST A COUPLE MONTHS

7532
04:05:30,933 --> 04:05:32,433
AGO, THE DEMOCRATS GOT ALL SORT

7533
04:05:32,433 --> 04:05:35,433
OF DRESSED UP, IF YOU WOULD AND

7534
04:05:35,433 --> 04:05:37,533
SAID WE'RE GOING TO HAVE DUE

7535
04:05:37,533 --> 04:05:38,666
PROCESS AND GOOD FAIRNESS.

7536
04:05:38,666 --> 04:05:40,600
THIS IS THE ONLY COMMITTEE IN

7537
04:05:40,600 --> 04:05:43,033
THE PRESIDENT WOULD HAVE A

7538
04:05:43,033 --> 04:05:44,166
POSSIBILITY, BUT NO OFFENSE TO

7539
04:05:44,166 --> 04:05:47,233
YOU, THE LAW PROFESSORS, THE

7540
04:05:47,233 --> 04:05:48,700
PRESIDENT HAS NOTHING TO ASK

7541
04:05:48,700 --> 04:05:49,566
YOU.

7542
04:05:49,566 --> 04:05:50,866
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PROVIDE

7543
04:05:50,866 --> 04:05:52,466
ANYTHING HE CAN'T READ.

7544
04:05:52,466 --> 04:05:53,866
HIS ATTORNEYS HAVE NOTHING ELSE.

7545
04:05:53,866 --> 04:05:54,766
PUT WITNESSES IN THEY'RE THAT

7546
04:05:54,766 --> 04:05:57,366
CAN BE FACT WITNESSES THAT CAN

7547
04:05:57,366 --> 04:05:59,866
BE ACTUALLY CROSS EXAMINED.

7548
04:05:59,866 --> 04:06:00,733
THAT'S FAIRNESS.

7549
04:06:00,733 --> 04:06:02,166
EVERY ATTORNEY KNOWS THAT.

7550
04:06:02,166 --> 04:06:03,500
THIS IS A SHAM.

7551
04:06:03,500 --> 04:06:06,000
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I ALSO SEE

7552
04:06:06,000 --> 04:06:07,466
HERE, QUOTES LIKE THIS.

7553
04:06:07,466 --> 04:06:10,100
THERE MUST NEVER BE A NARROW LE

7554
04:06:10,100 --> 04:06:11,466
VOTED IMPEACHMENT OR IMPEACHMENT

7555
04:06:11,466 --> 04:06:13,700
SUPPORTED BY A POLITICAL PARTY.

7556
04:06:13,700 --> 04:06:16,433
SUCH AN IMPEACHMENT WILL PRODUCE

7557
04:06:16,433 --> 04:06:17,133
DEVICIVE AND BITTERNESS FOR

7558
04:06:17,133 --> 04:06:19,466
YEARS TO COME AND CALL INTO THE

7559
04:06:19,466 --> 04:06:20,933
QUESTION THE LEGITIMATE SEE OF

7560
04:06:20,933 --> 04:06:22,433
OUR POLITICAL INSTITUTIONS.

7561
04:06:22,433 --> 04:06:23,333
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL

7562
04:06:23,333 --> 04:06:23,700
WATCHING.

7563
04:06:23,700 --> 04:06:24,300
THEY WON'T FORGET.

7564
04:06:24,300 --> 04:06:25,800
YOU MAY HAVE THE VOTES, YOU MAY

7565
04:06:25,800 --> 04:06:27,466
HAVE THE MUSCLE BUT YOU DON'T

7566
04:06:27,466 --> 04:06:29,700
HAVE A NATIONAL CONSENSUS OR A

7567
04:06:29,700 --> 04:06:30,900
CONSTITUTIONAL IMPAIR TENT.

7568
04:06:30,900 --> 04:06:34,766
THE COUP WILL GO DOWN IN INFAMY

7569
04:06:34,766 --> 04:06:38,100
IN THE HISTORY OF THE NEIGHBORS.

7570
04:06:38,100 --> 04:06:39,233
HOW ABOUT THIS ONE?

7571
04:06:39,233 --> 04:06:40,766
I THINK THE KEY POINT IS THAT

7572
04:06:40,766 --> 04:06:41,666
THE REPUBLICANS ARE STILL

7573
04:06:41,666 --> 04:06:42,666
RUNNING A RAILROAD JOB WITH NO

7574
04:06:42,666 --> 04:06:45,333
ATTEMPT AT FAIR PROCEDURE.

7575
04:06:45,333 --> 04:06:48,600
TODAY WHEN THE DEMOCRATS OFFERED

7576
04:06:48,600 --> 04:06:50,833
AMENDMENTS, SAID WE SHOULD FIRST

7577
04:06:50,833 --> 04:06:53,033
DISCUSS AND ADOPT STANDARDS FOR

7578
04:06:53,033 --> 04:06:54,166
IMPEACHMENT VOTED DOWN OR RULED

7579
04:06:54,166 --> 04:06:55,333
OUT OF ORDER.

7580
04:06:55,333 --> 04:06:57,600
WHEN THE PORT THING IS TO LOOK

7581
04:06:57,600 --> 04:06:59,433
AT THE QUESTION BEFORE WE HAVE A

7582
04:06:59,433 --> 04:07:03,933
VOTE WITH NO INQUIRY FIRST, THAT

7583
04:07:03,933 --> 04:07:07,500
WAS VOTED DOWN AND RULED OUT OF

7584
04:07:07,500 --> 04:07:07,766
ORD.

7585
04:07:07,766 --> 04:07:09,633
THE ESSENTIAL QUESTION IS HERE.

7586
04:07:09,633 --> 04:07:12,033
SET UP A FAIR PROCESS WHETHER TO

7587
04:07:12,033 --> 04:07:13,466
PUT THIS COUNTRY THROUGH AN

7588
04:07:13,466 --> 04:07:14,733
IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDING WAS RULED

7589
04:07:14,733 --> 04:07:16,800
OUT OF ORDER.

7590
04:07:16,800 --> 04:07:19,966
THEY REFUSED TO LET US DISCUSS

7591
04:07:19,966 --> 04:07:20,400
IT.

7592
04:07:20,400 --> 04:07:21,700
THOSE ARE ALL CHAIRMAN NADLER

7593
04:07:21,700 --> 04:07:23,000
BEFORE HE WAS CHAIRMAN.

7594
04:07:23,000 --> 04:07:25,200
I GUESS 20 YEARS MAKES A

7595
04:07:25,200 --> 04:07:25,600
DIFFERENCE.

7596
04:07:25,600 --> 04:07:26,566
IT'S AN INTERESTING TIME.

7597
04:07:26,566 --> 04:07:28,100
WE'RE HAVING A FACTLESS

7598
04:07:28,100 --> 04:07:28,500
IMPEACHMENT.

7599
04:07:28,500 --> 04:07:29,833
YOU HEARD ONE SIDE OF FACTS

7600
04:07:29,833 --> 04:07:30,400
ABOUT THIS PRESIDENT.

7601
04:07:30,400 --> 04:07:32,500
TODAY WE'LL PRESENT THE OTHER

7602
04:07:32,500 --> 04:07:34,766
SIDE WILL GET SO CONVENIENTLY

7603
04:07:34,766 --> 04:07:36,366
LEFT OUT.

7604
04:07:36,366 --> 04:07:38,366
FAIRNESS DOES DICTATE THAT.

7605
04:07:38,366 --> 04:07:40,766
MAYBE NOT HERE.

7606
04:07:40,766 --> 04:07:43,633
BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SCHEDULING

7607
04:07:43,633 --> 04:07:45,433
ANYTHING ELSE.

7608
04:07:45,433 --> 04:07:47,433
I HAVE A DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY

7609
04:07:47,433 --> 04:07:49,100
THINKS THEY OUGHT TO POLE TEST

7610
04:07:49,100 --> 04:07:51,166
WHAT THEN'T DID.

7611
04:07:51,166 --> 04:07:52,933
THAT'S NOT FOLLOWING THE FACTS

7612
04:07:52,933 --> 04:07:55,666
WITH HAVE A DEEP-SEEDED HATRED

7613
04:07:55,666 --> 04:07:57,133
OF A MAN THAT CAME TO THE WHITE

7614
04:07:57,133 --> 04:07:58,500
HOUSE AND DID WHAT HE SAID HE

7615
04:07:58,500 --> 04:07:59,433
WAS GOING TO DO.

7616
04:07:59,433 --> 04:08:02,100
THE MOST AMAZING QUESTION THAT I

7617
04:08:02,100 --> 04:08:04,233
GOT IN THE FIRST THREE MONTHS OF

7618
04:08:04,233 --> 04:08:06,266
THIS FROM REPORTERS, CAN YOU

7619
04:08:06,266 --> 04:08:07,800
BELIEVE HE'S PUTTING FORTH THOSE

7620
04:08:07,800 --> 04:08:08,266
IDEAS?

7621
04:08:08,266 --> 04:08:09,400
YES, HE RAN ON THEM.

7622
04:08:09,400 --> 04:08:12,233
HE TOLD THE TRUTH AND DID WHAT

7623
04:08:12,233 --> 04:08:12,600
HE SAID.

7624
04:08:12,600 --> 04:08:15,500
THE PROBLEM HERE TODAY IS THIS

7625
04:08:15,500 --> 04:08:17,666
WILL ALSO BE ONE OF THE FIRST

7626
04:08:17,666 --> 04:08:18,466
IMPEACHMENTS THE CHAIRMAN

7627
04:08:18,466 --> 04:08:19,733
MENTIONED THERE WAS TWO OF THEM,

7628
04:08:19,733 --> 04:08:21,466
ONE THAT BEFORE HE RESIGNED

7629
04:08:21,466 --> 04:08:22,800
BEFORE AND ONE IN CLINTON IN

7630
04:08:22,800 --> 04:08:24,633
WHICH THE FACTS EVEN BY

7631
04:08:24,633 --> 04:08:25,666
DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS WERE

7632
04:08:25,666 --> 04:08:27,966
NOT REALLY DISPUTED.

7633
04:08:27,966 --> 04:08:31,466
IN THIS ONE THEY'RE NOT ONLY

7634
04:08:31,466 --> 04:08:33,833
DISPUTED, THEY'RE COUNTER

7635
04:08:33,833 --> 04:08:35,466
DICKIVE OF EACH OTHER.

7636
04:08:35,466 --> 04:08:37,966
THERE'S NOTHING TO PRESENT AN

7637
04:08:37,966 --> 04:08:39,966
IMPEACHMENT HERE EXCEPT A

7638
04:08:39,966 --> 04:08:41,800
PRESIDENT CARRYING OUT HIS JOB

7639
04:08:41,800 --> 04:08:46,333
IN THE WAY HE SAW FIT TO DO IT.

7640
04:08:46,333 --> 04:08:48,100
THIS IS WHERE WE'RE ADD TODAY.

7641
04:08:48,100 --> 04:08:49,533
THE MOST SPRINGING THING HERE,

7642
04:08:49,533 --> 04:08:51,233
THIS MAY BE A NEW TIME AND PLACE

7643
04:08:51,233 --> 04:08:53,033
AND WE MAY BE SCRUBBED UP AND

7644
04:08:53,033 --> 04:08:54,633
LOOKING PRETTY FOR IMPEACHMENT.

7645
04:08:54,633 --> 04:08:56,500
THIS IS NOT AN IMPEACHMENT.

7646
04:08:56,500 --> 04:08:58,400
THIS IS A SIMPLE RAILROAD JOB.

7647
04:08:58,400 --> 04:08:59,766
TONIGHT IS A WASTE OF TIME.

7648
04:08:59,766 --> 04:09:01,100
BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT.

7649
04:09:01,100 --> 04:09:02,333
SO I CLOSE TODAY WITH THIS.

7650
04:09:02,333 --> 04:09:03,700
DIDN'T START WITH MUELLER,

7651
04:09:03,700 --> 04:09:05,233
DIDN'T START WITH A PHONE CALL.

7652
04:09:05,233 --> 04:09:07,300
YOU KNOW WHERE THIS STARTED?

7653
04:09:07,300 --> 04:09:09,533
STARTED WITH TEARS IN BROOKLYN

7654
04:09:09,533 --> 04:09:10,800
IN NOVEMBER 2016.

7655
04:09:10,800 --> 04:09:12,700
WHEN AN ELECTION WAS LOST.

7656
04:09:12,700 --> 04:09:15,466
SO WE'RE HERE, NO PLAN, NO FACT

7657
04:09:15,466 --> 04:09:16,766
WITNESSES, SIMPLY BEING A RUBBER

7658
04:09:16,766 --> 04:09:18,066
STAMP FOR WHAT WE HAVE.

7659
04:09:18,066 --> 04:09:21,566
BY HEY, WE GOT LAW PROFESSORS

7660
04:09:21,566 --> 04:09:21,966
HERE.

7661
04:09:21,966 --> 04:09:23,366
WHAT A START OF A PARTY.

7662
04:09:23,366 --> 04:09:25,600
>> YOU JUST HEARD FROM THE

7663
04:09:25,600 --> 04:09:26,900
RANKING REPUBLICAN ON THE HOUSE

7664
04:09:26,900 --> 04:09:28,366
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, CONGRESSMAN

7665
04:09:28,366 --> 04:09:30,266
DOUG COLLINS OF GEORGIA.

7666
04:09:30,266 --> 04:09:31,466
ESSENTIALLY MAKING THE ARGUMENT

7667
04:09:31,466 --> 04:09:33,800
THAT HIS PARTY HAS BEEN MAKING

7668
04:09:33,800 --> 04:09:35,466
THROUGHOUT THIS IMPEACHMENT

7669
04:09:35,466 --> 04:09:36,666
PROCESS, THIS IS ALL PART OF

7670
04:09:36,666 --> 04:09:39,466
A -- A WASTE OF TIME, THAT IT'S

7671
04:09:39,466 --> 04:09:41,300
AN EFFORT BY THE DEMOCRATS YET

7672
04:09:41,300 --> 04:09:43,466
AGAIN TO TRY TO TAKE DOWN A

7673
04:09:43,466 --> 04:09:44,700
PRESIDENT WHO THEY NEVER THOUGHT

7674
04:09:44,700 --> 04:09:48,433
SHOULD HAVE BEEN ELECTED IN THE

7675
04:09:48,433 --> 04:09:49,066
FIRST PLACE.

7676
04:09:49,066 --> 04:09:50,800
WHEN HE SAID TEARS IN BROOKLYN,

7677
04:09:50,800 --> 04:09:55,466
HE'S REFERRING TO HILLARY

7678
04:09:55,466 --> 04:09:57,500
CLINTON'S CAMPAIGN HEAD QUARTERS

7679
04:09:57,500 --> 04:09:59,033
IN NEW YORK CITY.

7680
04:09:59,033 --> 04:10:00,700
I'M HERE JUDY WOODRUFF KEEPING

7681
04:10:00,700 --> 04:10:03,433
AN EYE WITH MY COLLEAGUES ON THE

7682
04:10:03,433 --> 04:10:04,600
HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE

7683
04:10:04,600 --> 04:10:05,166
HEARING ROOM.

7684
04:10:05,166 --> 04:10:07,433
AS YOU CAN SEE, PRETTY MUCH

7685
04:10:07,433 --> 04:10:09,700
EVERY MEMBER IS GONE AS THEY GO

7686
04:10:09,700 --> 04:10:11,333
TO TAKE VOTES ON THE FLOOR OF

7687
04:10:11,333 --> 04:10:14,600
THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.

7688
04:10:14,600 --> 04:10:17,233
WE EXPECT THEM BACK IN MINUTES.

7689
04:10:17,233 --> 04:10:18,233
WE'RE WATCHING THE ROOM AND

7690
04:10:18,233 --> 04:10:21,133
WE'LL GO BACK TO THE HEARING

7691
04:10:21,133 --> 04:10:24,366
ROOM AS SOON AS THEY RECONVENE.

7692
04:10:24,366 --> 04:10:26,833
MY COLLEAGUE, LISA DESJARDINS IS

7693
04:10:26,833 --> 04:10:29,400
AT THE CAPITOL AND YAMICHE

7694
04:10:29,400 --> 04:10:31,100
ALCINDOR AT THE CAPITOL.

7695
04:10:31,100 --> 04:10:32,766
YAMICHE, YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO

7696
04:10:32,766 --> 04:10:33,566
TALK TO SOME COMMITTEE MEMBERS

7697
04:10:33,566 --> 04:10:34,666
COMING AND GOING.

7698
04:10:34,666 --> 04:10:36,900
WHAT ARE THEY SAYING ABOUT WHAT

7699
04:10:36,900 --> 04:10:37,966
THEY'RE HEARING SO FAR?

7700
04:10:37,966 --> 04:10:42,133
>> I'M ONE FLOOR ABOVE THE HOUSE

7701
04:10:42,133 --> 04:10:43,300
CHAMBER FLOOR.

7702
04:10:43,300 --> 04:10:46,733
LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE TEN MINUTES

7703
04:10:46,733 --> 04:10:48,700
LEFT OF VOTING.

7704
04:10:48,700 --> 04:10:50,133
SPEAKING TO HOUSE MEMBERS, I

7705
04:10:50,133 --> 04:10:52,033
WANTED TO SEEK OUT DEMOCRATS AND

7706
04:10:52,033 --> 04:10:55,333
GET THEIR RESPONSE TO PROFESSOR

7707
04:10:55,333 --> 04:10:56,533
TURLEY'S ARGUMENTS.

7708
04:10:56,533 --> 04:10:58,366
I SPOKE TO VAL DEMING.

7709
04:10:58,366 --> 04:10:59,800
SHE'S ON THE HOUSE JUDICIARY AND

7710
04:10:59,800 --> 04:11:02,166
ALSO IN THE HOUSE TELL COMMITTEE

7711
04:11:02,166 --> 04:11:02,533
HEARINGS.

7712
04:11:02,533 --> 04:11:04,033
SHE'S A FORMER POLICE CHIEF, SHE

7713
04:11:04,033 --> 04:11:05,933
HAS A LAW ENFORCEMENT

7714
04:11:05,933 --> 04:11:06,333
BACKGROUND.

7715
04:11:06,333 --> 04:11:08,266
I ASKED HER WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF

7716
04:11:08,266 --> 04:11:10,633
THE PROFESSOR'S ARGUMENT THAT

7717
04:11:10,633 --> 04:11:12,166
THE DEFINITION OF BRIBERY

7718
04:11:12,166 --> 04:11:14,433
REQUIRES THAT SOMEONE GET THE

7719
04:11:14,433 --> 04:11:16,633
BRIBE, THAT THAT ACTUALLY BE

7720
04:11:16,633 --> 04:11:19,433
GIVEN ACCORDING TO MR. TURLEY.

7721
04:11:19,433 --> 04:11:20,900
HE REPRESENTED SUPREME COURT LAW

7722
04:11:20,900 --> 04:11:22,033
AND RULINGS.

7723
04:11:22,033 --> 04:11:24,033
HE SAID NO, IT'S THE ACT OF

7724
04:11:24,033 --> 04:11:25,900
COERCING THE BRIBE THAT CREATES

7725
04:11:25,900 --> 04:11:26,200
BRIBE.

7726
04:11:26,200 --> 04:11:27,433
SHE FELT STRONGLY ABOUT THAT.

7727
04:11:27,433 --> 04:11:33,033
I ALSO ASKED HER ABOUT PROFESSOR

7728
04:11:33,033 --> 04:11:33,833
TURLEY'S ASSERTION THAT IF

7729
04:11:33,833 --> 04:11:35,433
DEMOCRATS MOVE FORWARD WITH A

7730
04:11:35,433 --> 04:11:37,066
RUSH, THAT THEY WILL LOST HALF

7731
04:11:37,066 --> 04:11:39,133
OF THE COUNTRY IN THIS

7732
04:11:39,133 --> 04:11:40,033
IMPEACHMENT PROCESS.

7733
04:11:40,033 --> 04:11:42,033
SHE RESPONDED IN A STEM WINDER

7734
04:11:42,033 --> 04:11:44,200
OF A RESPONSE VERY STRONGLY, NO,

7735
04:11:44,200 --> 04:11:46,533
I SEE AN ABUSE OF POWER

7736
04:11:46,533 --> 04:11:46,900
HAPPENING.

7737
04:11:46,900 --> 04:11:48,266
IF YOU SEE THAT HAPPENING, YOU

7738
04:11:48,266 --> 04:11:50,500
NEED TO ACT TO STOP IT, NEED TO

7739
04:11:50,500 --> 04:11:52,433
ACT TO PREVENT IT AS SOON AS

7740
04:11:52,433 --> 04:11:54,133
YOU'RE AWARE OF IT OR WE COULD

7741
04:11:54,133 --> 04:11:55,100
HAVE A PRESIDENT THAT CONTINUES

7742
04:11:55,100 --> 04:11:55,933
TO DO THIS.

7743
04:11:55,933 --> 04:11:57,466
WE NEED TO ACT AS SOON AS WE

7744
04:11:57,466 --> 04:12:00,633
BELIEVE THERE'S AN ABUSE OF

7745
04:12:00,633 --> 04:12:00,933
POWER.

7746
04:12:00,933 --> 04:12:03,833
>> SO LISA, AT LEAST BY -- A FEW

7747
04:12:03,833 --> 04:12:04,700
DEMOCRATS THAT YOU'VE BEEN ABLE

7748
04:12:04,700 --> 04:12:07,600
TO TALK TO, THEY'RE STICKING

7749
04:12:07,600 --> 04:12:09,166
TOGETHER IN THEIR BELIEF THAT

7750
04:12:09,166 --> 04:12:10,766
SHE IS -- THEY'RE PROCEEDING THE

7751
04:12:10,766 --> 04:12:11,200
RIGHT WAY.

7752
04:12:11,200 --> 04:12:13,066
>> THAT'S RIGHT.

7753
04:12:13,066 --> 04:12:14,200
IN CHANGE IN TIMELINE.

7754
04:12:14,200 --> 04:12:17,000
SHE BASICALLY SAID YES, WE ARE

7755
04:12:17,000 --> 04:12:19,066
MOVING TO ARTICLES OF

7756
04:12:19,066 --> 04:12:19,466
IMPEACHMENT.

7757
04:12:19,466 --> 04:12:21,733
THERE'S NO SENSE THEY'RE

7758
04:12:21,733 --> 04:12:22,100
DELAYING.

7759
04:12:22,100 --> 04:12:25,600
THEY SEEM TO BE ON TRACK FOR A

7760
04:12:25,600 --> 04:12:31,333
COMMITTEE VOTE NEXT WEEK AND A

7761
04:12:31,333 --> 04:12:33,633
HOUSE VOTED TWO WEEKS FROM NOW.

7762
04:12:33,633 --> 04:12:35,533
>> AND DOUG COLLINS SAID IT'S

7763
04:12:35,533 --> 04:12:36,533
UNCLEAR WHAT IS NEXT.

7764
04:12:36,533 --> 04:12:38,100
THAT'S BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T

7765
04:12:38,100 --> 04:12:42,566
ANNOUNCED SPECIFIC DATES FOR A

7766
04:12:42,566 --> 04:12:42,866
VOTE.

7767
04:12:42,866 --> 04:12:43,400
IS THAT RIGHT?

7768
04:12:43,400 --> 04:12:44,966
>> THAT'S CORRECT.

7769
04:12:44,966 --> 04:12:47,400
NOR TO THEY ANNOUNCE FUTURE

7770
04:12:47,400 --> 04:12:49,866
HEARINGS.

7771
04:12:49,866 --> 04:12:51,100
WE'RE WAITING TO HEAR FROM THE

7772
04:12:51,100 --> 04:12:52,933
PRESIDENT IF HE WILL

7773
04:12:52,933 --> 04:12:53,933
PARTICIPATE, IF HE WANTS TO CALL

7774
04:12:53,933 --> 04:12:56,133
HIS OWN WITNESSES OR NOT.

7775
04:12:56,133 --> 04:12:57,466
WE HAVE HEARD FROM ADAM SCHIFF,

7776
04:12:57,466 --> 04:12:59,700
HE TOLD ME YESTERDAY THAT HE

7777
04:12:59,700 --> 04:13:03,466
DOES PLAN FOR HIS STAFF COUNSEL,

7778
04:13:03,466 --> 04:13:06,800
WHO WE SAW DOING THE QUESTIONING

7779
04:13:06,800 --> 04:13:10,033
LAST WEEK TO GIVE A PRESENTATION

7780
04:13:10,033 --> 04:13:11,866
THROUGH HOUSE JUDICIARY.

7781
04:13:11,866 --> 04:13:14,700
THAT MENS THERE WILL BE AT LEAST

7782
04:13:14,700 --> 04:13:16,800
ONE MORE HEARING.

7783
04:13:16,800 --> 04:13:18,833
IT WILL BE CONTENTIOUS.

7784
04:13:18,833 --> 04:13:20,633
SO THIS IS ALL UP IN THE AIR.

7785
04:13:20,633 --> 04:13:21,966
>> WE'LL LET YOU CONTINUE TO

7786
04:13:21,966 --> 04:13:22,300
REPORT.

7787
04:13:22,300 --> 04:13:28,633
I'M GOING TO COME BACK TO THE

7788
04:13:28,633 --> 04:13:29,933
"NEWSHOUR" STUDIO WITH FRANK

7789
04:13:29,933 --> 04:13:32,666
BOWMAN AND SOL WISENBERG TO TALK

7790
04:13:32,666 --> 04:13:33,433
ABOUT THE PRESENTATION THAT WE

7791
04:13:33,433 --> 04:13:38,366
HEARD FROM BOTH SIDES THIS

7792
04:13:38,366 --> 04:13:38,700
MORNING.

7793
04:13:38,700 --> 04:13:40,366
THE THREE REPUBLICAN OR I'M

7794
04:13:40,366 --> 04:13:41,933
SORRY, THE THREE CONSTITUTIONAL

7795
04:13:41,933 --> 04:13:42,733
SCHOLARS, LAW PROFESSORS CALLED

7796
04:13:42,733 --> 04:13:45,233
BY THE DEMOCRATS.

7797
04:13:45,233 --> 04:13:47,966
THE ONE WHO WAS CALLED BY

7798
04:13:47,966 --> 04:13:48,366
REPUBLICANS.

7799
04:13:48,366 --> 04:13:51,366
FRANK BOWMAN, HOW IS IT THAT YOU

7800
04:13:51,366 --> 04:13:54,133
CAN HAVE TWO COMPLETELY

7801
04:13:54,133 --> 04:13:58,500
DIFFERENT MIRROR IMAGE

7802
04:13:58,500 --> 04:13:59,433
INTERPRETATIONS OF WHETHER THE

7803
04:13:59,433 --> 04:14:02,466
PRESIDENT HAS COMMITTED

7804
04:14:02,466 --> 04:14:07,066
IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES OR NOT?

7805
04:14:07,066 --> 04:14:08,066
>> THERE'S ALL THE ROOM NOR

7806
04:14:08,066 --> 04:14:10,166
ARGUMENT ON BOTH SIDES OF THE

7807
04:14:10,166 --> 04:14:10,666
QUESTION.

7808
04:14:10,666 --> 04:14:13,466
ALTHOUGH WE LAW PROFESSORS LIKE

7809
04:14:13,466 --> 04:14:16,100
TO INDULGE THE CON SEAT THAT WE

7810
04:14:16,100 --> 04:14:18,366
ARE ALWAYS ABOVE THE FREEWAY AND

7811
04:14:18,366 --> 04:14:20,766
RIGOROUSLY NEUTRAL, THAT'S NOT

7812
04:14:20,766 --> 04:14:23,466
ALWAYS THE CASE.

7813
04:14:23,466 --> 04:14:27,433
I THINK THERE'S SOME PARTISAN OR

7814
04:14:27,433 --> 04:14:33,133
PARTY GUIDANCE TO SOME EXTENT.

7815
04:14:33,133 --> 04:14:35,966
IT WOULD BE SILLY TO DENY THAT.

7816
04:14:35,966 --> 04:14:37,433
IT'S ALSO CONSIDERING TO

7817
04:14:37,433 --> 04:14:38,833
CONSIDER THE FRAME WORK OF

7818
04:14:38,833 --> 04:14:40,233
PROFESSOR TURLEY'S ARGUMENT.

7819
04:14:40,233 --> 04:14:42,833
HELPS EXPLAIN THIS.

7820
04:14:42,833 --> 04:14:45,966
ON THE ONE HAND, WHAT HE'S

7821
04:14:45,966 --> 04:14:48,600
REALLY SAYING, NOT JUST HIS ORAL

7822
04:14:48,600 --> 04:14:50,000
STATEMENT BUT WRITTEN STATEMENT

7823
04:14:50,000 --> 04:14:52,666
IF YOU LOOK AT IT, HE SAYS I

7824
04:14:52,666 --> 04:14:56,433
CONCEDE THAT YOU CAN BE

7825
04:14:56,433 --> 04:14:57,400
IMPEACHED FOR SOMETHING THAT IS

7826
04:14:57,400 --> 04:14:58,233
NOT A CRIME.

7827
04:14:58,233 --> 04:15:00,066
BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, IN THE

7828
04:15:00,066 --> 04:15:02,133
THREE PREVIOUS IMPEACHMENTS

7829
04:15:02,133 --> 04:15:03,466
WE'VE HAD, THERE'S BEEN SOME

7830
04:15:03,466 --> 04:15:06,366
KIND OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.

7831
04:15:06,366 --> 04:15:08,266
THEREFORE HE INTIMATES THAT TO

7832
04:15:08,266 --> 04:15:09,400
IMPEACH A PRESIDENT FOR ANYTHING

7833
04:15:09,400 --> 04:15:11,466
OTHER THAN CRIMINAL ACTIVITY

7834
04:15:11,466 --> 04:15:13,533
WOULD BE OVERTLY IN THE

7835
04:15:13,533 --> 04:15:15,466
CONSTITUTION OUR I'LL LEGITIMATE

7836
04:15:15,466 --> 04:15:18,100
OR UNPRECEDENTED.

7837
04:15:18,100 --> 04:15:20,833
THEN HE THROWS ALL OF IT'S

7838
04:15:20,833 --> 04:15:22,733
WEIGHT ARGUING ABOUT THE DETAILS

7839
04:15:22,733 --> 04:15:24,966
OF BRIBERY.

7840
04:15:24,966 --> 04:15:28,766
AT THE END, HE CONCEDES YES,

7841
04:15:28,766 --> 04:15:30,566
ABUSE OF POWER IS IMPEACHABLE

7842
04:15:30,566 --> 04:15:32,000
BUT YOU SHOULDN'T IMPEACH HIM

7843
04:15:32,000 --> 04:15:35,433
NOW BECAUSE YOU NEED MORE

7844
04:15:35,433 --> 04:15:35,833
PROCEEDINGS.

7845
04:15:35,833 --> 04:15:37,866
BUT THE TRAP THERE IS THAT IF

7846
04:15:37,866 --> 04:15:40,833
YOU TAKE THAT SERIOUSLY AND IF

7847
04:15:40,833 --> 04:15:42,400
YOU SAY YOU NEED MORE

7848
04:15:42,400 --> 04:15:46,766
PROCEEDINGS AND B, THE

7849
04:15:46,766 --> 04:15:47,500
PRECONDITION OF THE PROCEEDINGS

7850
04:15:47,500 --> 04:15:50,133
IS THAT YOU HAVE TO TAKE ANY

7851
04:15:50,133 --> 04:15:51,433
OBJECTION THE PRESIDENT MAY

7852
04:15:51,433 --> 04:15:55,033
MAKE, PRECONDITIONED IS YOU MUST

7853
04:15:55,033 --> 04:15:55,700
LITIGATE THOSE CONTENTIONS

7854
04:15:55,700 --> 04:15:57,600
HOWEVER FRIVOLOUS THEY MAY BE,

7855
04:15:57,600 --> 04:15:58,900
ALL THE WAY TO THE UNITED STATES

7856
04:15:58,900 --> 04:16:01,000
SUPREME COURT, WHICH WOULD

7857
04:16:01,000 --> 04:16:02,866
PLAINLY TAKE A YEAR AND MORE.

7858
04:16:02,866 --> 04:16:04,633
WHAT MR. TURLEY IS REALLY

7859
04:16:04,633 --> 04:16:06,233
SAYING, WELL, DEMOCRATS, IF YOU

7860
04:16:06,233 --> 04:16:08,633
WANT TO DO IT THE WAY I THINK

7861
04:16:08,633 --> 04:16:11,933
YOU SHOULD DO IT, YOU CAN'T DO

7862
04:16:11,933 --> 04:16:13,733
IT UNTIL THE NEXT ELECTION.

7863
04:16:13,733 --> 04:16:16,766
I DON'T KNOW THAT HE'S ARGUING

7864
04:16:16,766 --> 04:16:18,200
STRENUOUSLY THAT THE FACTS DON'T

7865
04:16:18,200 --> 04:16:19,466
SHOW ABUSE OF POWER.

7866
04:16:19,466 --> 04:16:22,066
HE'S SAYING WELL, WE NEED MORE

7867
04:16:22,066 --> 04:16:22,366
TIME.

7868
04:16:22,366 --> 04:16:23,433
NEED TO LITIGATE.

7869
04:16:23,433 --> 04:16:24,900
>> MORE PROCESS ARGUMENT THAN

7870
04:16:24,900 --> 04:16:26,000
THE FACTS.

7871
04:16:26,000 --> 04:16:28,600
SOL, YOU WERE JUST DISCUSSING

7872
04:16:28,600 --> 04:16:29,566
THIS A MINUTE AGO.

7873
04:16:29,566 --> 04:16:34,766
IN WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE US, IT'S

7874
04:16:34,766 --> 04:16:37,200
DIFFICULT, EVEN CONGRESSMAN

7875
04:16:37,200 --> 04:16:39,033
COLLINS WAS SAYING, YOU DON'T

7876
04:16:39,033 --> 04:16:40,833
DISPUTE THE FACTS, WHAT IS AT

7877
04:16:40,833 --> 04:16:42,566
ISSUE IS IT CONSTITUTES

7878
04:16:42,566 --> 04:16:43,233
SOMETHING THAT A PRESIDENT

7879
04:16:43,233 --> 04:16:44,833
SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE

7880
04:16:44,833 --> 04:16:45,133
OVER.

7881
04:16:45,133 --> 04:16:49,500
>> PRIMARILY THE FACTS ARE NOT

7882
04:16:49,500 --> 04:16:50,733
DISPUTED.

7883
04:16:50,733 --> 04:16:52,766
I'M A GLASS HALFFUL KIND OF GUY.

7884
04:16:52,766 --> 04:16:55,066
THESE GUYS ARE ALL ARGUING FROM

7885
04:16:55,066 --> 04:16:56,066
A ORIGINALIST POSITION.

7886
04:16:56,066 --> 04:16:57,733
WHEN I WAS IN LAW SCHOOL, YOU

7887
04:16:57,733 --> 04:17:00,766
WOULD BE LAUGHED OUT OF THE

7888
04:17:00,766 --> 04:17:01,133
CLASSROOM.

7889
04:17:01,133 --> 04:17:02,666
I SEE THAT AS A REAL PROGRESS

7890
04:17:02,666 --> 04:17:05,933
JUSTICE SCALIA WOULD BE HAPPY.

7891
04:17:05,933 --> 04:17:08,000
I ALSO THINK BOTH SIDES AGREE

7892
04:17:08,000 --> 04:17:09,566
THAT YOU DON'T -- YOU DON'T HAVE

7893
04:17:09,566 --> 04:17:11,466
TO HAVE A CRIME FOR THEIR TO BE

7894
04:17:11,466 --> 04:17:14,533
AN IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE.

7895
04:17:14,533 --> 04:17:16,600
THERE'S A COMMON LAW OF

7896
04:17:16,600 --> 04:17:17,433
IMPEACHMENT THROUGH CONGRESS

7897
04:17:17,433 --> 04:17:18,366
THAT HAS DEVELOPED THROUGH A

7898
04:17:18,366 --> 04:17:21,333
COUPLE OF CENTURIES AND VERY

7899
04:17:21,333 --> 04:17:23,466
CLEAR THAT TURLEY HAS A MUCH

7900
04:17:23,466 --> 04:17:25,400
NARROWER VIEW OF HIGH CRIMES AND

7901
04:17:25,400 --> 04:17:27,033
MISDEMEANORS THAN THE OTHER

7902
04:17:27,033 --> 04:17:27,933
PROFESSORS TESTIFYING.

7903
04:17:27,933 --> 04:17:30,066
>> I WANT TO STOP YOU THERE.

7904
04:17:30,066 --> 04:17:31,033
WHEN THEY'RE ARGUING DOESN'T

7905
04:17:31,033 --> 04:17:33,100
HAVE TO BE A CRIME, THE

7906
04:17:33,100 --> 04:17:36,566
DEFINITION OF HIGH CRIMES AND

7907
04:17:36,566 --> 04:17:37,500
MISDEMEANORS, SO THERE'S CRIMES

7908
04:17:37,500 --> 04:17:38,000
AND CRIMES.

7909
04:17:38,000 --> 04:17:40,600
YOU KNOW, WHAT IS BEING MORE

7910
04:17:40,600 --> 04:17:40,966
SPECIFIC?

7911
04:17:40,966 --> 04:17:43,800
>> DOES NOT -- THERE'S NEARLY

7912
04:17:43,800 --> 04:17:44,666
UNIVERSAL AGREEMENT AMONG

7913
04:17:44,666 --> 04:17:45,900
SCHOLARS THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO

7914
04:17:45,900 --> 04:17:48,933
BE A CRIME IN THE SENSE OF A

7915
04:17:48,933 --> 04:17:49,966
CURRENT CRIMINAL LAW CRIME.

7916
04:17:49,966 --> 04:17:51,433
THOSE ARE TERMS OF ART.

7917
04:17:51,433 --> 04:17:53,633
HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANOR IS A

7918
04:17:53,633 --> 04:17:57,300
TERM OF ART THAT'S BEEN AROUND

7919
04:17:57,300 --> 04:17:58,733
PROFESSOR BOWMAN CAN CORRECT ME

7920
04:17:58,733 --> 04:18:01,166
SINCE AT LEAST THE 1300s.

7921
04:18:01,166 --> 04:18:03,866
SO NOT EVERYBODY AGREES ON

7922
04:18:03,866 --> 04:18:04,800
EXACTLY WHAT IT MEANT.

7923
04:18:04,800 --> 04:18:07,100
BUT CLEARLY IF YOU LOOK AT THE

7924
04:18:07,100 --> 04:18:08,033
HISTORY OF IMPEACHMENTS AND LOOK

7925
04:18:08,033 --> 04:18:10,666
AT WHAT THE FRAMERS WROTE, IT'S

7926
04:18:10,666 --> 04:18:14,066
NOT CONFINEDED TO AN ACTUAL

7927
04:18:14,066 --> 04:18:16,133
CRIMINAL CODE OR EVEN A COMMON

7928
04:18:16,133 --> 04:18:17,000
LAW DEFINITION OF CRIME.

7929
04:18:17,000 --> 04:18:18,200
>> SEEMS TO BE AGREEMENT ON

7930
04:18:18,200 --> 04:18:19,466
THAT, DOESN'T THERE, FRANK?

7931
04:18:19,466 --> 04:18:22,033
>> THERE IS.

7932
04:18:22,033 --> 04:18:24,100
THERE HAS TO BE.

7933
04:18:24,100 --> 04:18:26,200
THE FIRST THING THAT VIEWERS

7934
04:18:26,200 --> 04:18:27,466
SHOULD REMEMBER IS THAT IT'S

7935
04:18:27,466 --> 04:18:29,600
EASY TO GET TRICKED BID HIGH

7936
04:18:29,600 --> 04:18:31,300
CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS.

7937
04:18:31,300 --> 04:18:33,966
IT DOESN'T MEAN WHAT IT SOUNDS

7938
04:18:33,966 --> 04:18:37,866
LIKE IT MEANS.

7939
04:18:37,866 --> 04:18:41,300
IT IS AS SEVERALITNESSES

7940
04:18:41,300 --> 04:18:42,366
TESTIFIED, IT'S A TERM OF ART

7941
04:18:42,366 --> 04:18:43,866
AND INCLUDES A VARIETY OF

7942
04:18:43,866 --> 04:18:44,200
THINGS.

7943
04:18:44,200 --> 04:18:45,833
MANY HAVING TO DO WITH ABUSE OF

7944
04:18:45,833 --> 04:18:47,000
POWER, ABUSE OF OFFICE.

7945
04:18:47,000 --> 04:18:49,966
LET ME GIVE YOU AN ILLUSTRATION

7946
04:18:49,966 --> 04:18:51,433
OF THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT

7947
04:18:51,433 --> 04:18:54,700
WOULD CERTAINLY BE AN

7948
04:18:54,700 --> 04:18:56,233
IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE.

7949
04:18:56,233 --> 04:18:57,233
SUPPOSE TOMORROW THE PRESIDENT

7950
04:18:57,233 --> 04:19:00,866
WERE TO WAKE UP AND SAY, I DON'T

7951
04:19:00,866 --> 04:19:02,466
LIKE BEING PRESIDENT.

7952
04:19:02,466 --> 04:19:04,200
I WANT TO TAKE A SIX MONTH

7953
04:19:04,200 --> 04:19:04,566
VACATION.

7954
04:19:04,566 --> 04:19:05,766
I'M GOING TO BARBADOS.

7955
04:19:05,766 --> 04:19:08,600
SEE YOU IN SIX MONTHS.

7956
04:19:08,600 --> 04:19:10,000
THAT'S NOT A CRIME.

7957
04:19:10,000 --> 04:19:12,833
IT'S BY NO MEANS A CRIME IN ANY

7958
04:19:12,833 --> 04:19:13,100
WAY.

7959
04:19:13,100 --> 04:19:14,566
WOULD IT BE AN IMPEACHABLE HIGH

7960
04:19:14,566 --> 04:19:16,800
CRIME AND MISDEMEANOR?

7961
04:19:16,800 --> 04:19:34,733
IT'S A DERILICTION OF DUTY.

7962
04:19:34,733 --> 04:19:37,666
WHEN JOHNSON LAWYERS WERE TRYING

7963
04:19:37,666 --> 04:19:40,233
TO CLAIM THAT CRIMES REQUIRE, HE

7964
04:19:40,233 --> 04:19:42,966
SAID IMAGINE IN 1861 WHEN THE

7965
04:19:42,966 --> 04:19:43,700
SOUTH SECEDED.

7966
04:19:43,700 --> 04:19:45,800
HE HAD AS PRESIDENT NOT ABRAHAM

7967
04:19:45,800 --> 04:19:47,000
LINCOLN BUT A MAN THAT THOUGHT

7968
04:19:47,000 --> 04:19:50,100
FOR REASONS OF MISGUIDED IDEA ON

7969
04:19:50,100 --> 04:19:56,100
OR COWARDESS, THAT HE COULDN'T

7970
04:19:56,100 --> 04:19:57,400
GET THE SOUTH BACK.

7971
04:19:57,400 --> 04:19:59,466
THAT HE FELT FOR WHATEVER REASON

7972
04:19:59,466 --> 04:20:03,433
THAT HE SHOULD LET THE COUNTRY

7973
04:20:03,433 --> 04:20:04,333
DIVIDE.

7974
04:20:04,333 --> 04:20:06,266
BEN BUTLER ASKS, CAN IT BE TRUE

7975
04:20:06,266 --> 04:20:07,800
THAT WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO

7976
04:20:07,800 --> 04:20:09,333
IMPEACH THAT MAN, THAT WE WOULD

7977
04:20:09,333 --> 04:20:12,366
HAVE TO ALLOW THE DESTRUCTION OF

7978
04:20:12,366 --> 04:20:20,933
THE COUNTRY AND THAT KIND OF

7979
04:20:20,933 --> 04:20:22,533
DERILICTION OF DUTY?

7980
04:20:22,533 --> 04:20:23,566
>> YAMICHE ALCINDOR IS STANDING

7981
04:20:23,566 --> 04:20:25,700
BY NOT FAR FROM THE WHITE HOUSE.

7982
04:20:25,700 --> 04:20:26,766
YAMICHE, IT'S THE CASE THAT THE

7983
04:20:26,766 --> 04:20:30,166
WHITE HOUSE HAS HAD, SHALL WE

7984
04:20:30,166 --> 04:20:31,500
SAY, EVOLVING POSITION ON WHAT

7985
04:20:31,500 --> 04:20:34,300
THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN ACCUSED

7986
04:20:34,300 --> 04:20:34,733
OF.

7987
04:20:34,733 --> 04:20:35,833
ORIGINALLY SAYING IT WASN'T

7988
04:20:35,833 --> 04:20:38,800
TRUE, THAT THE ELEMENTS OF THE

7989
04:20:38,800 --> 04:20:41,900
PHONE CALL INTERACTION WITH THE

7990
04:20:41,900 --> 04:20:42,600
UKRAINIANS AND ACKNOWLEDGING

7991
04:20:42,600 --> 04:20:43,400
PARTS WERE TRUE AND COMING

7992
04:20:43,400 --> 04:20:46,600
AROUND TO SAY SURE, A LOT OF

7993
04:20:46,600 --> 04:20:50,066
THIS HAPPENED, BUT WHAT OF IT?

7994
04:20:50,066 --> 04:20:53,000
IT'S NOT AS IF WE'RE DENYING THE

7995
04:20:53,000 --> 04:20:54,566
FACTS OF THIS, IS IT?

7996
04:20:54,566 --> 04:20:57,133
>> THEY'RE NOT DENYING THE FACTS

7997
04:20:57,133 --> 04:20:59,200
OF MOST OF THIS.

7998
04:20:59,200 --> 04:21:00,166
REPUBLICANS WILL HAVE BEEN, TO

7999
04:21:00,166 --> 04:21:03,166
PUT IT LIGHTLY, NIMBLE IN THEIR

8000
04:21:03,166 --> 04:21:04,333
DEFENSE OF THE PRESIDENT.

8001
04:21:04,333 --> 04:21:07,433
THE WHITE HOUSE HAS BEEN

8002
04:21:07,433 --> 04:21:09,100
CONSTANTLY ADJUSTING THE MESS

8003
04:21:09,100 --> 04:21:11,433
SINK AND DEFENDING THE

8004
04:21:11,433 --> 04:21:12,333
PRESIDENT.

8005
04:21:12,333 --> 04:21:16,333
I'VE COUNTED 16 AND 17 DEFENSES

8006
04:21:16,333 --> 04:21:17,866
AND INCLUDING LINDSEY GRAHAM

8007
04:21:17,866 --> 04:21:19,800
SAYING THE PRESIDENT'S POLICIES

8008
04:21:19,800 --> 04:21:22,300
WERE TOO INCOHERENT TO EVER PULL

8009
04:21:22,300 --> 04:21:23,166
OFF A QUID PRO QUO.

8010
04:21:23,166 --> 04:21:26,300
THE WAY THE PRESIDENT GOVERNS,

8011
04:21:26,300 --> 04:21:27,666
EVEN IF HE TRIED HE COULDN'T

8012
04:21:27,666 --> 04:21:29,566
PULL OFF A QUID PRO QUO.

8013
04:21:29,566 --> 04:21:30,066
IT'S INTERESTING.

8014
04:21:30,066 --> 04:21:31,600
THE WHITE HOUSE IS MAKING A

8015
04:21:31,600 --> 04:21:32,800
SIMILAR ARGUMENT WHEN IT COMES

8016
04:21:32,800 --> 04:21:34,700
TO THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION

8017
04:21:34,700 --> 04:21:35,766
SAYING THE PRESIDENT'S CAMPAIGN

8018
04:21:35,766 --> 04:21:38,266
WAS TO FREE WHEELING TO EVER

8019
04:21:38,266 --> 04:21:39,733
HAVE A CONSPIRACY WITH RUSSIA.

8020
04:21:39,733 --> 04:21:42,766
TO PUT IT PLAINLY, THE WHITE

8021
04:21:42,766 --> 04:21:44,466
HOUSE HAS GONE BACK TO

8022
04:21:44,466 --> 04:21:45,633
REPRESENTATIVE DOUG COLLINS'

8023
04:21:45,633 --> 04:21:47,700
POINT WHICH IS THE TEARS IN

8024
04:21:47,700 --> 04:21:48,833
BROOKLYN, THIS IDEA THAT

8025
04:21:48,833 --> 04:21:49,900
DEMOCRATS ARE MAD THAT THE

8026
04:21:49,900 --> 04:21:50,800
PRESIDENT WAS ELECTED IN THE

8027
04:21:50,800 --> 04:21:52,666
FIRST PLACE AND AS A RESULT

8028
04:21:52,666 --> 04:21:54,033
THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO TAKE HIM

8029
04:21:54,033 --> 04:21:54,333
DOWN.

8030
04:21:54,333 --> 04:21:55,100
DEMOCRATS HAVE SAID THIS IS NOT

8031
04:21:55,100 --> 04:21:57,600
PART OF THE MUELLER

8032
04:21:57,600 --> 04:21:58,400
INVESTIGATION, THIS IS SOMETHING

8033
04:21:58,400 --> 04:21:59,900
NEW, A WHISTLE-BLOWER COMPLAINT

8034
04:21:59,900 --> 04:22:02,433
THAT CAME TO US WITH THIS

8035
04:22:02,433 --> 04:22:03,466
PERSON, THIS GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL

8036
04:22:03,466 --> 04:22:05,233
SEEMS WHO WAS VERY ANXIOUS AND

8037
04:22:05,233 --> 04:22:07,166
CONCERNED ABOUT THE FACT THAT

8038
04:22:07,166 --> 04:22:10,400
THE PRESIDENT MIGHT BE USING HIS

8039
04:22:10,400 --> 04:22:12,100
POWERS AND HIS SWAY OVER A

8040
04:22:12,100 --> 04:22:13,733
FOREIGN COUNTRY TO IMPACT THE

8041
04:22:13,733 --> 04:22:15,233
2020 ELECTION IN HIS FAVOR.

8042
04:22:15,233 --> 04:22:17,133
WHAT WE HEAR IS THE WHITE HOUSE

8043
04:22:17,133 --> 04:22:19,066
MAKING THE CLAIMS THAT THE

8044
04:22:19,066 --> 04:22:19,800
PRESIDENT DID NOTHING WRONG AND

8045
04:22:19,800 --> 04:22:21,466
THIS IS ALL PARTISAN.

8046
04:22:21,466 --> 04:22:24,500
REPUBLICANS HAVE HAD TO BACK

8047
04:22:24,500 --> 04:22:26,233
THIS PRESIDENT AND HAVE HAD TO

8048
04:22:26,233 --> 04:22:28,100
STICK WITH HIM ADD HE ADJUSTED

8049
04:22:28,100 --> 04:22:29,466
HIS MESSAGE TIME AND TIME AGAIN.

8050
04:22:29,466 --> 04:22:31,433
>> YAMICHE, ESSENTIALLY WHAT

8051
04:22:31,433 --> 04:22:33,166
YOU'RE SAYING, THE WHITE HOUSE

8052
04:22:33,166 --> 04:22:34,166
BELIEVES THEIR STRONGEST DEFENSE

8053
04:22:34,166 --> 04:22:35,366
IS TO MAKE THIS POLITICAL.

8054
04:22:35,366 --> 04:22:37,466
IS TO SAY HEY, THIS IS ALL ABOUT

8055
04:22:37,466 --> 04:22:40,533
THE DEMOCRATS TRYING TO GET ME

8056
04:22:40,533 --> 04:22:43,400
OUT OF OFFICE, PERIOD.

8057
04:22:43,400 --> 04:22:45,066
>> THAT'S RIGHT, JUDY.

8058
04:22:45,066 --> 04:22:47,033
THAT IS THE DEFENSE THAT THE

8059
04:22:47,033 --> 04:22:48,400
WHITE HOUSE AND THE PRESIDENT

8060
04:22:48,400 --> 04:22:50,033
THINK IS WORKING FOR THEM.

8061
04:22:50,033 --> 04:22:51,066
ESPECIALLY BECAUSE WE'RE ALMOST

8062
04:22:51,066 --> 04:22:52,733
IN AN ELECTION YEAR.

8063
04:22:52,733 --> 04:22:55,866
IT'S 2020.

8064
04:22:55,866 --> 04:22:56,700
I WAS JUST TEXTING WITH A MEMBER

8065
04:22:56,700 --> 04:22:58,400
OF THE PRESIDENT'S CAMPAIGN.

8066
04:22:58,400 --> 04:23:00,066
THAT SAID THIS IS GREAT FOR OUR

8067
04:23:00,066 --> 04:23:00,933
PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN.

8068
04:23:00,933 --> 04:23:03,466
WE'RE SEEING MORE DONORS, MORE

8069
04:23:03,466 --> 04:23:05,366
VOLUNTEERS, VOTERS BEING

8070
04:23:05,366 --> 04:23:06,800
ENERGIZED BPCAUSE NOW THEY SEE

8071
04:23:06,800 --> 04:23:07,900
THE PRESIDENT ATTACKED ON

8072
04:23:07,900 --> 04:23:09,266
NATIONAL TELEVISION IN THESE

8073
04:23:09,266 --> 04:23:11,300
HEARINGS SO THE PRESIDENT'S

8074
04:23:11,300 --> 04:23:12,233
CAMPAIGN ON THE SURFACE IS

8075
04:23:12,233 --> 04:23:14,500
SAYING ALL OF THIS IS HELPING

8076
04:23:14,500 --> 04:23:16,633
THE PRESIDENT IN HIS BID TO BE

8077
04:23:16,633 --> 04:23:17,966
RE-ELECTED IN 2020.

8078
04:23:17,966 --> 04:23:19,133
DEMOCRATS WILL SAY THE PRESIDENT

8079
04:23:19,133 --> 04:23:20,500
IS BOTHERED BY THIS.

8080
04:23:20,500 --> 04:23:21,866
THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT HAS

8081
04:23:21,866 --> 04:23:24,000
STUCK ON HIM LIKE NOTHING ELSE.

8082
04:23:24,000 --> 04:23:27,066
THE PRESIDENT HAS HAD ALL SORTS

8083
04:23:27,066 --> 04:23:28,400
OF CONTROVERSIES, THIS

8084
04:23:28,400 --> 04:23:29,300
WHISTLE-BLOWER COMPLAINT AND THE

8085
04:23:29,300 --> 04:23:30,333
ISLAND THAT DEMOCRATS CAN SAY

8086
04:23:30,333 --> 04:23:31,433
THAT THIS PRESIDENT WAS TRYING

8087
04:23:31,433 --> 04:23:33,466
TO USE HIS PRESIDENTIAL POWERS

8088
04:23:33,466 --> 04:23:35,033
TO INFLUENCE A FOREIGN

8089
04:23:35,033 --> 04:23:36,166
GOVERNMENT, THAT HE WAS REALLY

8090
04:23:36,166 --> 04:23:37,766
TRYING TO USE HIS POLITICAL --

8091
04:23:37,766 --> 04:23:39,433
REALLY TRYING TO HAVE A

8092
04:23:39,433 --> 04:23:41,233
POLITICAL GAIN HERE, A POLITICAL

8093
04:23:41,233 --> 04:23:43,300
BENEFIT IN LOU OF NATIONAL

8094
04:23:43,300 --> 04:23:44,000
SECURITY, THAT ARGUMENT HA

8095
04:23:44,000 --> 04:23:45,500
STUCK TO PRESIDENT TRUMP.

8096
04:23:45,500 --> 04:23:46,733
THAT'S WHY WE SEE THE PRESIDENT

8097
04:23:46,733 --> 04:23:49,766
ANGRY AND LASHING OUT.

8098
04:23:49,766 --> 04:23:51,600
I CAN'T SAY IT ENOUGH.

8099
04:23:51,600 --> 04:23:53,366
THIS WAS A PRESIDENT THAT WAS

8100
04:23:53,366 --> 04:23:55,700
SUPPOSED TO HAVE A PRESS

8101
04:23:55,700 --> 04:23:56,100
CONFERENCE.

8102
04:23:56,100 --> 04:23:58,100
EVERYBODY WAS WAITING ON HIM TO

8103
04:23:58,100 --> 04:23:59,733
BASH THE DEMOCRATS AND TALK

8104
04:23:59,733 --> 04:24:01,400
ABOUT IT'S AN IMPEACHMENT

8105
04:24:01,400 --> 04:24:02,733
INQUIRY AND HE DIDN'T DO IT.

8106
04:24:02,733 --> 04:24:04,333
THIS TELLS YOU THAT THIS IS A

8107
04:24:04,333 --> 04:24:07,200
PRESIDENT TAKING THIS SERIOUSLY

8108
04:24:07,200 --> 04:24:08,900
AND SOMEONE WHO IS REALLY TRYING

8109
04:24:08,900 --> 04:24:10,533
TO COME UP WITH A DEFENSE FOR

8110
04:24:10,533 --> 04:24:13,433
HIMSELF WHEN IT COMES TO THIS

8111
04:24:13,433 --> 04:24:14,033
IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY.

8112
04:24:14,033 --> 04:24:16,766
>> YAMICHE, AS WE SAID,

8113
04:24:16,766 --> 04:24:19,233
REPORTING FROM THE WHITE

8114
04:24:19,233 --> 04:24:20,833
HOUSEKEEPING TRACK OF WHAT THE

8115
04:24:20,833 --> 04:24:21,833
PRESIDENT IS DOING EVEN THOUGH

8116
04:24:21,833 --> 04:24:24,400
HE'S IN LONDON RIGHT NOW AS THE

8117
04:24:24,400 --> 04:24:25,633
HEARINGS PROCEED.

8118
04:24:25,633 --> 04:24:26,933
LISA DESJARDINS, YOU'RE STILL

8119
04:24:26,933 --> 04:24:28,766
THERE AT THE CAPITOL WHILE WE

8120
04:24:28,766 --> 04:24:30,233
WAIT FOR THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE

8121
04:24:30,233 --> 04:24:31,966
TO COME BACK AND RECONVENE.

8122
04:24:31,966 --> 04:24:34,666
THEY'RE TAKING VOTES ON THE

8123
04:24:34,666 --> 04:24:36,433
FLOOR OF THE HOUSE.

8124
04:24:36,433 --> 04:24:37,900
COME BACK TO THIS POINT THAT WAS

8125
04:24:37,900 --> 04:24:39,366
JUST DISCUSSING WITH YAMICHE.

8126
04:24:39,366 --> 04:24:41,900
SHE SAID THE WHITE HOUSE OR

8127
04:24:41,900 --> 04:24:43,766
FOLKS WITH THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN

8128
04:24:43,766 --> 04:24:47,266
ARE SAYING THIS IS GOOD FOR

8129
04:24:47,266 --> 04:24:47,566
THEM.

8130
04:24:47,566 --> 04:24:48,266
THEY'RE RAISING MORE MONEY.

8131
04:24:48,266 --> 04:24:49,666
PEOPLE ARE MORE ENERGIZED.

8132
04:24:49,666 --> 04:24:50,966
HOW CONCERNS ARE DEMOCRATS ABOUT

8133
04:24:50,966 --> 04:24:52,400
THAT OR DO THEY BELIEVE THAT

8134
04:24:52,400 --> 04:24:54,200
THEY CAN ENERGIZE DEMOCRATS WITH

8135
04:24:54,200 --> 04:24:54,700
THESE HEARINGS?

8136
04:24:54,700 --> 04:24:56,100
WHAT ARE THEY TELLING YOU?

8137
04:24:56,100 --> 04:24:58,000
>> I'M SURE THERE'S MORE THAN A

8138
04:24:58,000 --> 04:25:00,366
DOZEN DEMOCRATS THAT ARE RUNNING

8139
04:25:00,366 --> 04:25:01,966
FOR PRESIDENT THAT ARE CONCERNED

8140
04:25:01,966 --> 04:25:03,000
ABOUT THAT.

8141
04:25:03,000 --> 04:25:03,866
I'LL TELL YOU AS FAR AS THE

8142
04:25:03,866 --> 04:25:05,533
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE GOES,

8143
04:25:05,533 --> 04:25:08,166
THE DEMOCRATS HERE, THEY DON'T

8144
04:25:08,166 --> 04:25:09,733
SEEM THAT CONCERNED BY IT.

8145
04:25:09,733 --> 04:25:11,466
THESE TWO REASONS.

8146
04:25:11,466 --> 04:25:13,433
ONE, THE DEMOCRATS WHO ARE --

8147
04:25:13,433 --> 04:25:17,300
WHO NOW SEEM TO BE UNITED IN

8148
04:25:17,300 --> 04:25:18,633
THIS IMPEACHMENT ARE TWO KINDS.

8149
04:25:18,633 --> 04:25:21,966
ONE, THEY FEEL MORALLY,

8150
04:25:21,966 --> 04:25:23,300
ETHICALLY AND GIVEN THE

8151
04:25:23,300 --> 04:25:24,966
CONSTITUTION, THEY HAVE TO

8152
04:25:24,966 --> 04:25:25,600
PURSUE THIS.

8153
04:25:25,600 --> 04:25:27,566
SOME FEEL IN SUBSTANCE IS

8154
04:25:27,566 --> 04:25:29,400
SOMETHING THAT THEY MUST DO

8155
04:25:29,400 --> 04:25:30,733
REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE IT?

8156
04:25:30,733 --> 04:25:33,433
CONVICTS THE PRESIDENT OR NOT.

8157
04:25:33,433 --> 04:25:34,666
THEN THERE'S ANOTHER GROUP THAT

8158
04:25:34,666 --> 04:25:35,866
FRANKLY FEELS THAT THIS COULD

8159
04:25:35,866 --> 04:25:37,500
DAMAGE THE PRESIDENT FOR NEXT

8160
04:25:37,500 --> 04:25:39,433
YEAR'S ELECTION REGARDLESS OF

8161
04:25:39,433 --> 04:25:40,433
HIS FUND-RAISING.

8162
04:25:40,433 --> 04:25:43,300
THEY FEEL THIS WILL EXPOSE WHAT

8163
04:25:43,300 --> 04:25:45,333
THEY SEE AS A DANGEROUS

8164
04:25:45,333 --> 04:25:45,700
PRESIDENT.

8165
04:25:45,700 --> 04:25:47,433
WHAT WILL THE PUBLIC DECIDE?

8166
04:25:47,433 --> 04:25:49,366
IT'S UNCLEAR.

8167
04:25:49,366 --> 04:25:51,433
DEMOCRATS WHO I'M SURE AS

8168
04:25:51,433 --> 04:25:53,266
RECENTLY AS THREE MONTHS AGO

8169
04:25:53,266 --> 04:25:54,666
ABOUT WHETHER THIS WAS A GOOD

8170
04:25:54,666 --> 04:25:59,333
IDEA NOW SEEM TO BE CO LESING ON

8171
04:25:59,333 --> 04:26:01,566
THE IDEA IT'S GOOD POLICY AND

8172
04:26:01,566 --> 04:26:03,033
GOOD POLITICS.

8173
04:26:03,033 --> 04:26:04,433
I HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO DEMOCRATS

8174
04:26:04,433 --> 04:26:09,100
THAT ARE IN A TOP TIER RUNNING

8175
04:26:09,100 --> 04:26:09,833
FOR PRESIDENT.

8176
04:26:09,833 --> 04:26:11,200
WE HAVE JUST BEEN REPORTING,

8177
04:26:11,200 --> 04:26:12,466
THEY'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS

8178
04:26:12,466 --> 04:26:13,300
ON THE TRAIL.

8179
04:26:13,300 --> 04:26:15,466
IT'S SOMETHING THOSE DEMOCRATS

8180
04:26:15,466 --> 04:26:16,400
RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT DON'T SEEM

8181
04:26:16,400 --> 04:26:17,833
TO THINK ADVANTAGES THEM AN'T

8182
04:26:17,833 --> 04:26:19,466
THIS POINT, TO REALLY RAIL

8183
04:26:19,466 --> 04:26:24,700
AGAINST THE PRESIDENT.

8184
04:26:24,700 --> 04:26:25,166
THEY MENTION IT.

8185
04:26:25,166 --> 04:26:26,300
IT'S THE PRESIDENTS AND

8186
04:26:26,300 --> 04:26:27,333
REPUBLICANS THAT BRING IT MORE

8187
04:26:27,333 --> 04:26:27,933
ON THIS TOPIC.

8188
04:26:27,933 --> 04:26:30,133
>> LISA, WHEN YOU SPEAK OF THAT

8189
04:26:30,133 --> 04:26:31,466
CHANGE, SHIFT IN VIEW ON THE

8190
04:26:31,466 --> 04:26:34,800
PART OF THE DEMOCRATS, THE THING

8191
04:26:34,800 --> 04:26:36,533
THAT CHANGED IS UKRAINE.

8192
04:26:36,533 --> 04:26:37,900
THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE

8193
04:26:37,900 --> 04:26:38,900
EXCHANGES BETWEEN THE PRESIDENT,

8194
04:26:38,900 --> 04:26:41,433
THE WHITE HOUSE, UKRAINIAN

8195
04:26:41,433 --> 04:26:42,466
LEADERS OVER MILITARY AID.

8196
04:26:42,466 --> 04:26:43,866
THE REQUEST THAT THEY

8197
04:26:43,866 --> 04:26:44,600
INVESTIGATE JOE BIDEN.

8198
04:26:44,600 --> 04:26:47,433
THAT IS REALLY WHAT HAS SHIFTED

8199
04:26:47,433 --> 04:26:47,966
THIS.

8200
04:26:47,966 --> 04:26:50,266
BEFORE NOW, AS WE KNOW, HOUSE

8201
04:26:50,266 --> 04:26:52,766
SPEAKER, THE LEADERSHIP OF THE

8202
04:26:52,766 --> 04:26:54,133
HOUSE, NANCY PELOSI IN

8203
04:26:54,133 --> 04:26:55,466
PARTICULAR, WAS AGAINST GOING

8204
04:26:55,466 --> 04:26:56,666
AHEAD WITH ANY IMPEACHMENT

8205
04:26:56,666 --> 04:26:59,733
PROCEEDING BASED ON THE MUELLER

8206
04:26:59,733 --> 04:27:01,566
REPORT BECAUSE THEY FELT IT

8207
04:27:01,566 --> 04:27:03,300
WASN'T ENOUGH TO MOVE FORWARD

8208
04:27:03,300 --> 04:27:03,600
WITH.

8209
04:27:03,600 --> 04:27:04,066
>> THAT'S RIGHT.

8210
04:27:04,066 --> 04:27:06,433
IT WAS AROUND SEPTEMBER 24 THAT

8211
04:27:06,433 --> 04:27:09,933
PELOSI ANNOUNCED THAT SHE WAS

8212
04:27:09,933 --> 04:27:11,133
MOVING FORWARD WITH AN

8213
04:27:11,133 --> 04:27:12,033
IMPEACHMENT POLICY.

8214
04:27:12,033 --> 04:27:13,333
IT WAS A COMPLETE DEPARTURE.

8215
04:27:13,333 --> 04:27:15,066
THEY FELT THE EVIDENCE, WHAT

8216
04:27:15,066 --> 04:27:16,800
THEY HAVE, THE READ-OUT OF THE

8217
04:27:16,800 --> 04:27:17,900
PHONE CALL WAS ENOUGH TO SAY

8218
04:27:17,900 --> 04:27:19,900
THAT THIS PRESIDENT HAD ABUSED

8219
04:27:19,900 --> 04:27:20,433
POWER.

8220
04:27:20,433 --> 04:27:21,266
IT'S SO INTERESTING.

8221
04:27:21,266 --> 04:27:23,466
I HEAR THIS FROM YOUR GUESTS AS

8222
04:27:23,466 --> 04:27:23,833
WELL.

8223
04:27:23,833 --> 04:27:25,433
LOOKING AT WHAT IS HAPPENING

8224
04:27:25,433 --> 04:27:27,466
HERE VERSUS CLINTON, THEY'RE

8225
04:27:27,466 --> 04:27:30,566
ALMOST EXACT OPPOSITES.

8226
04:27:30,566 --> 04:27:31,800
CLINTON, EVERYBODY AGREED THAT

8227
04:27:31,800 --> 04:27:32,600
HE LIED.

8228
04:27:32,600 --> 04:27:34,566
HE DIDN'T AGREE ON WHETHER THAT

8229
04:27:34,566 --> 04:27:35,633
WAS IMPEACHABLE.

8230
04:27:35,633 --> 04:27:37,733
HERE, IT SEEMS ALMOST EVERYONE

8231
04:27:37,733 --> 04:27:39,166
AGREED THAT IF THERE WAS A

8232
04:27:39,166 --> 04:27:41,133
QUID PRO QUO, IF THE PRESIDENT

8233
04:27:41,133 --> 04:27:42,666
DID WITHHOLD AID IN ORDER TO

8234
04:27:42,666 --> 04:27:44,866
FORCE INVESTIGATIONS, IF THERE

8235
04:27:44,866 --> 04:27:47,433
WAS -- IF WE KNOW THAT FACT,

8236
04:27:47,433 --> 04:27:49,800
THAT IS PROBABLY IMPEACHABLE.

8237
04:27:49,800 --> 04:27:51,433
EVEN REPUBLICANS WILL TELL ME

8238
04:27:51,433 --> 04:27:51,900
THAT.

8239
04:27:51,900 --> 04:27:52,700
REPUBLICANS WILL SAY WE TONIGHT

8240
04:27:52,700 --> 04:27:53,866
KNOW THAT.

8241
04:27:53,866 --> 04:27:56,033
THE PROOF DOESN'T GO FAR ENOUGH.

8242
04:27:56,033 --> 04:27:58,000
TURLEY SAID IT'S TOO THIN

8243
04:27:58,000 --> 04:27:59,666
COMPARED TO THE CLINTON PROOF.

8244
04:27:59,666 --> 04:28:00,633
DEMOCRATS DISAGREE.

8245
04:28:00,633 --> 04:28:02,066
NEY SAY LISTEN TO THE CALL.

8246
04:28:02,066 --> 04:28:03,233
THAT'S THE QUESTION HERE.

8247
04:28:03,233 --> 04:28:05,866
YOU KNOW, WHAT EXACTLY DID THE

8248
04:28:05,866 --> 04:28:08,566
PRESIDENT DO, WHAT DO WE KNOW.

8249
04:28:08,566 --> 04:28:10,833
YOU SPEAK TO ONE OFFICER AND

8250
04:28:10,833 --> 04:28:13,533
SHELY SAY THIS IS A CLASSIC CASE

8251
04:28:13,533 --> 04:28:14,533
OF SOMEONE TRYING TO COOERS

8252
04:28:14,533 --> 04:28:15,000
SOMEBODY ELSE.

8253
04:28:15,000 --> 04:28:17,166
THAT'S WHERE THE DOUBT IS IN

8254
04:28:17,166 --> 04:28:17,800
THIS HEARING.

8255
04:28:17,800 --> 04:28:20,533
>> LISA DESJARDINS FOLLOWING THE

8256
04:28:20,533 --> 04:28:22,000
HEARINGS ON CAN TOLL HILL.

8257
04:28:22,000 --> 04:28:27,000
WITH ME, SOL WISENBERG, FRANK

8258
04:28:27,000 --> 04:28:27,333
BOWMAN.

8259
04:28:27,333 --> 04:28:30,033
SOL, HOW MUCH DOES IT MATTER

8260
04:28:30,033 --> 04:28:31,466
THAT THE PUBLIC SEE WHAT'S IS

8261
04:28:31,466 --> 04:28:35,333
GOING ON AS A LEGITIMATE

8262
04:28:35,333 --> 04:28:35,666
PROCESS?

8263
04:28:35,666 --> 04:28:37,166
THE FACT THAT THE HOUSE

8264
04:28:37,166 --> 04:28:39,466
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE HAVING THE

8265
04:28:39,466 --> 04:28:40,800
HEARINGS TODAY, HEARING FROM

8266
04:28:40,800 --> 04:28:46,133
FOUR LEGAL SCHOLARS, LAW

8267
04:28:46,133 --> 04:28:47,000
PROFESSORS, TO BOLSTER THE CASE

8268
04:28:47,000 --> 04:28:48,633
AT LEAST THREE OUT OF THE FOUR

8269
04:28:48,633 --> 04:28:50,933
AGREE WITH THE DEMOCRATS.

8270
04:28:50,933 --> 04:28:51,966
HOW IMPORTANT IS IT DO YOU THINK

8271
04:28:51,966 --> 04:28:53,500
THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SEE

8272
04:28:53,500 --> 04:28:56,900
THIS AS A PROCESS THAT HAS SOME

8273
04:28:56,900 --> 04:28:58,200
GROUNDING IN THE CONSTITUTION?

8274
04:28:58,200 --> 04:28:59,866
>> I THINK IT'S CRITICALLY

8275
04:28:59,866 --> 04:29:00,300
IMPORTANT.

8276
04:29:00,300 --> 04:29:02,366
NOT ONLY THAT IT HAS A GROUNDING

8277
04:29:02,366 --> 04:29:04,133
IN THE CONSTITUTION, WHICH OF

8278
04:29:04,133 --> 04:29:07,233
COURSE IT DOES, BUT THAT THEY

8279
04:29:07,233 --> 04:29:09,000
SEE IT AS FAIR.

8280
04:29:09,000 --> 04:29:10,500
THAT'S ONE REASON THE

8281
04:29:10,500 --> 04:29:11,500
REPUBLICANS FOR QUITE A WHILE

8282
04:29:11,500 --> 04:29:14,400
HAVE BEEN POUNDING ON FAIRNESS

8283
04:29:14,400 --> 04:29:14,700
ISSUE.

8284
04:29:14,700 --> 04:29:17,466
WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE RIGHT OR

8285
04:29:17,466 --> 04:29:19,500
WRONG, THEY REALIZE THAT'S

8286
04:29:19,500 --> 04:29:19,866
IMPORTANT.

8287
04:29:19,866 --> 04:29:22,033
YOU KNOW, AS I LISTEN TO THE

8288
04:29:22,033 --> 04:29:24,100
TESTIMONY AND AS I THINK ABOUT

8289
04:29:24,100 --> 04:29:27,466
WHAT HAS HAPPENED THE LAST FEW

8290
04:29:27,466 --> 04:29:30,833
WEEKS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS

8291
04:29:30,833 --> 04:29:32,200
STRIKING TO ME, THE PRESIDENT IS

8292
04:29:32,200 --> 04:29:34,366
A GIFT THAT KEEPS GIVING.

8293
04:29:34,366 --> 04:29:35,466
IF YOU INVESTIGATE HIM LONG

8294
04:29:35,466 --> 04:29:37,066
ENOUGH, HE'S GOING TO TWEET AND

8295
04:29:37,066 --> 04:29:38,933
HE'S GOING TO GIVE HIMSELF MORE

8296
04:29:38,933 --> 04:29:39,300
PROBLEMS.

8297
04:29:39,300 --> 04:29:41,000
THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THAT IS

8298
04:29:41,000 --> 04:29:43,033
WHEN FORMER AMBASSADOR WAS

8299
04:29:43,033 --> 04:29:43,466
TESTIFYING.

8300
04:29:43,466 --> 04:29:45,900
IN THE MIDDLE OF HER TESTIMONY,

8301
04:29:45,900 --> 04:29:47,700
HE STARTS TWEETING ABOUT HER.

8302
04:29:47,700 --> 04:29:48,766
GUESS WHAT?

8303
04:29:48,766 --> 04:29:49,300
THAT HURTS.

8304
04:29:49,300 --> 04:29:50,733
THAT WILL BE MENTIONED IN SOME

8305
04:29:50,733 --> 04:29:54,533
WAY IN THE ULTIMATE ARTICLES OF

8306
04:29:54,533 --> 04:29:54,933
IMPEACHMENT.

8307
04:29:54,933 --> 04:29:55,733
ANOTHER FASCINATING THING TO ME

8308
04:29:55,733 --> 04:29:58,800
IS VOLUME 2 OF THE MUELLER

8309
04:29:58,800 --> 04:30:01,000
REPORT ABOUT OBSTRUCTION.

8310
04:30:01,000 --> 04:30:03,033
THE STRIKING THING TO ME, THE

8311
04:30:03,033 --> 04:30:04,800
PRESIDENT ASKED HIS STAFFERS TO

8312
04:30:04,800 --> 04:30:07,200
DO SOME HIGHLY INAPPROPRIATE

8313
04:30:07,200 --> 04:30:07,533
THINGS.

8314
04:30:07,533 --> 04:30:10,700
THEY REFUSED OR IGNORED HIM AND

8315
04:30:10,700 --> 04:30:13,000
SAY THEY WON'T DO THAT.

8316
04:30:13,000 --> 04:30:13,833
McGANN --

8317
04:30:13,833 --> 04:30:15,733
>> INCLUDING FIRING THE FBI.

8318
04:30:15,733 --> 04:30:17,933
SO THEY BASICALLY SAVED HIM FROM

8319
04:30:17,933 --> 04:30:18,266
HIMSELF.

8320
04:30:18,266 --> 04:30:20,433
IN THIS PARTICULAR EVENT, THE

8321
04:30:20,433 --> 04:30:22,033
UKRAINE INCIDENT, THERE SEEMS TO

8322
04:30:22,033 --> 04:30:23,833
HAVE BEEN NOBODY CLOSE TO HIM IN

8323
04:30:23,833 --> 04:30:25,233
THE INNER CIRCLE THAT SAID YOU

8324
04:30:25,233 --> 04:30:27,433
CAN'T DO THAT.

8325
04:30:27,433 --> 04:30:28,466
YOU SHOULDN'T BE DOING THAT.

8326
04:30:28,466 --> 04:30:30,033
>> INTERESTING.

8327
04:30:30,033 --> 04:30:31,433
FRANK BOWMAN ON THIS QUESTION OF

8328
04:30:31,433 --> 04:30:33,200
WHETHER -- TO WHAT EXTENT THE

8329
04:30:33,200 --> 04:30:36,066
PUBLIC SEES THIS AS A PROCESS

8330
04:30:36,066 --> 04:30:38,333
THAT ISN'T JUST ABOUT POLITICS.

8331
04:30:38,333 --> 04:30:40,100
THAT IT HAS A GROUNDING IN THE

8332
04:30:40,100 --> 04:30:42,933
VERY SOUNDING OF OUR COUNTRY AND

8333
04:30:42,933 --> 04:30:45,300
HOW THE FOUNDERS SAW WHAT THE

8334
04:30:45,300 --> 04:30:48,600
REPUBLIC SHOULD BE, WHAT SORT OF

8335
04:30:48,600 --> 04:30:50,800
LAWS WE SHOULD HONOR ON WHAT

8336
04:30:50,800 --> 04:30:52,300
GROUNDS WE SHOULD BASE THE

8337
04:30:52,300 --> 04:30:54,033
REMOVAL OF THE HIGHEST OFFICER

8338
04:30:54,033 --> 04:30:55,900
IN THE GOVERNMENT, THE PRESIDENT

8339
04:30:55,900 --> 04:30:57,166
OF THE UNITED STATES.

8340
04:30:57,166 --> 04:30:59,433
THAT MATTERS.

8341
04:30:59,433 --> 04:31:00,933
>> OF COURSE IT DOES.

8342
04:31:00,933 --> 04:31:04,533
BUT OF COURSE TO RESPOND TO YOUR

8343
04:31:04,533 --> 04:31:06,500
QUESTION, YOU SAY IT'S IMPORTANT

8344
04:31:06,500 --> 04:31:09,433
THAT THE PUBLIC PERCEIVED IT'S

8345
04:31:09,433 --> 04:31:12,300
NOT PURELY ABOUT POLITICS.

8346
04:31:12,300 --> 04:31:13,233
OF COURSE, POLITICS MEANS LOTS

8347
04:31:13,233 --> 04:31:13,966
OF THINGS.

8348
04:31:13,966 --> 04:31:16,466
IT HAS TWO MEANINGS, I SUPPOSE.

8349
04:31:16,466 --> 04:31:20,166
ONE WHEN WE USE THE WORD

8350
04:31:20,166 --> 04:31:23,433
"POLITICS", WE THINK OF PARTISAN

8351
04:31:23,433 --> 04:31:24,766
BICKERING BACK AND FORTH, VYING

8352
04:31:24,766 --> 04:31:26,033
FOR ADVANTAGE.

8353
04:31:26,033 --> 04:31:27,200
POLITICS IN THE LARGE SENSE IS

8354
04:31:27,200 --> 04:31:28,766
WHAT THIS IS ABOUT AND WHAT IT'S

8355
04:31:28,766 --> 04:31:30,500
ALWAYS INTENDED TO BE ABOUT.

8356
04:31:30,500 --> 04:31:32,100
IMPEACHMENT IS A POLITICAL

8357
04:31:32,100 --> 04:31:34,000
PROCESS IN THE LARGE SENSE.

8358
04:31:34,000 --> 04:31:35,433
IT WAS INSERTED IN THE UNITED

8359
04:31:35,433 --> 04:31:37,333
STATES CONSTITUTION AS A MEANS

8360
04:31:37,333 --> 04:31:39,966
OF PRESERVING OUR POLITICS, OUR

8361
04:31:39,966 --> 04:31:40,700
CONSTITUTIONAL STRUCTURE.

8362
04:31:40,700 --> 04:31:43,133
IT WAS INSERTED TO MAKE SURE IN

8363
04:31:43,133 --> 04:31:43,933
PARTICULAR THAT THE PRESIDENT

8364
04:31:43,933 --> 04:31:45,366
NOT DESTROY THAT STRUCTURE THAT

8365
04:31:45,366 --> 04:31:48,666
HE NOT THROUGH THE FORCE OF HIS

8366
04:31:48,666 --> 04:31:52,100
PERSONALITY OR CORRUPTION

8367
04:31:52,100 --> 04:31:53,200
OVERWHELM THE OTHER COMPONENTS

8368
04:31:53,200 --> 04:31:54,300
OF THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT, THE

8369
04:31:54,300 --> 04:31:57,833
CONGRESS, THE COURTS AND ALL THE

8370
04:31:57,833 --> 04:31:59,733
OTHER CONSTRAINTS THAT SHOULD

8371
04:31:59,733 --> 04:32:03,433
KEEP A PRESIDENT IN CHECK.

8372
04:32:03,433 --> 04:32:04,833
PRESUMABLY -- WHAT THE PERSON

8373
04:32:04,833 --> 04:32:07,466
PUBLIC WOULD NEED TO CONCLUDE

8374
04:32:07,466 --> 04:32:09,700
FOR THIS TO ACTUALLY SUCCEED IN

8375
04:32:09,700 --> 04:32:12,433
REMOVING HIM IS THAT INDEED HE

8376
04:32:12,433 --> 04:32:14,700
BEHAVED IN A WAY THAT REPRESENTS

8377
04:32:14,700 --> 04:32:17,233
A DANGER TO AMERICAN

8378
04:32:17,233 --> 04:32:17,733
CONSTITUTIONALISM.

8379
04:32:17,733 --> 04:32:18,466
THAT'S THE CASE THE DEMOCRATS

8380
04:32:18,466 --> 04:32:19,433
ARE MAKING.

8381
04:32:19,433 --> 04:32:22,033
I THINK IT'S FAIRLY CLEAR THAT

8382
04:32:22,033 --> 04:32:23,900
TRUMP'S MOST LOYAL BASE, 30 OR

8383
04:32:23,900 --> 04:32:26,066
40% OF THE COUNTRY MAY NEVER BE

8384
04:32:26,066 --> 04:32:27,300
CONVINCED OF THAT REGARDLESS OF

8385
04:32:27,300 --> 04:32:29,600
WHAT IS SAID IN THESE HEARINGS.

8386
04:32:29,600 --> 04:32:30,700
>> WE DON'T KNOW.

8387
04:32:30,700 --> 04:32:32,666
YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THERE CLEARLY

8388
04:32:32,666 --> 04:32:33,933
IS A POLITICAL ELEMENT AND

8389
04:32:33,933 --> 04:32:34,500
YOU'RE RIGHT.

8390
04:32:34,500 --> 04:32:37,466
I MEAN THAT SEPARATELY FROM THE

8391
04:32:37,466 --> 04:32:39,433
PURELY PARTISAN DEFINITION THAT

8392
04:32:39,433 --> 04:32:40,766
WE HAVE COME TO THINK ABOUT

8393
04:32:40,766 --> 04:32:42,333
POLITICS TODAY.

8394
04:32:42,333 --> 04:32:52,200
JUST THE RELENTLESS INCESSANT

8395
04:32:52,200 --> 04:32:52,633
DISAGREEMENT.

8396
04:32:52,633 --> 04:32:53,900
>> YOU KNOW, NIXON.

8397
04:32:53,900 --> 04:32:55,400
PEOPLE WERE VERY PARTISAN BACK

8398
04:32:55,400 --> 04:32:56,866
IN THAT PERIOD.

8399
04:32:56,866 --> 04:32:58,700
HERE'S A GUY THAT WON THE

8400
04:32:58,700 --> 04:33:01,200
ELECTION IN 72 IN A LANDSLIDE.

8401
04:33:01,200 --> 04:33:03,666
60% OF THE POPULAR VOTE, I

8402
04:33:03,666 --> 04:33:04,100
THINK.

8403
04:33:04,100 --> 04:33:06,933
THE PUBLIC WAS VERY MUCH AGAINST

8404
04:33:06,933 --> 04:33:07,666
IMPEACHMENT IN THE BEGINNING.

8405
04:33:07,666 --> 04:33:11,400
BUT THE EVIDENCE KEPT COMING OUT

8406
04:33:11,400 --> 04:33:12,633
AND THE PRESIDENT KEPT LYING.

8407
04:33:12,633 --> 04:33:14,233
SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT YET HERE.

8408
04:33:14,233 --> 04:33:18,800
WE DON'T HAVE THE KIND OF SHIFTS

8409
04:33:18,800 --> 04:33:21,566
THAT YOU HAD IN THE CASE OF

8410
04:33:21,566 --> 04:33:21,900
NIXON.

8411
04:33:21,900 --> 04:33:23,666
PARTLY THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE

8412
04:33:23,666 --> 04:33:24,033
ELECTION.

8413
04:33:24,033 --> 04:33:26,666
>> THE OTHER ELEPHANT IN THIS

8414
04:33:26,666 --> 04:33:29,733
ROOM IS THAT -- THE REASON WHY

8415
04:33:29,733 --> 04:33:31,033
I'M SOMEWHAT PESSIMISTIC ABOUT

8416
04:33:31,033 --> 04:33:32,900
THE FUTURE OF THIS PARTICULAR

8417
04:33:32,900 --> 04:33:34,800
PROCESS AND SADLY A LITTLE

8418
04:33:34,800 --> 04:33:35,966
PESSIMISTIC ABOUT THE NEAR TERM

8419
04:33:35,966 --> 04:33:38,000
FUTURE OF OUR POLITICS IS THAT

8420
04:33:38,000 --> 04:33:39,900
THE THING THAT MADE THE SHIFT OF

8421
04:33:39,900 --> 04:33:41,733
OPINION POSSIBLE WITH NIXON WAS

8422
04:33:41,733 --> 04:33:43,266
A DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT SET OF

8423
04:33:43,266 --> 04:33:46,300
POLITICAL ALIGNMENTS IN TERMS OF

8424
04:33:46,300 --> 04:33:50,400
THE PARTIES AND A DRAMATICALLY

8425
04:33:50,400 --> 04:33:51,433
DIFFERENT MEDIA ENVIRONMENT.

8426
04:33:51,433 --> 04:33:55,400
WHEN FACTS CAME OUT ABOUT NIXON,

8427
04:33:55,400 --> 04:33:58,766
THEY WERE NOT ONLY BEING

8428
04:33:58,766 --> 04:34:03,466
PRESENTED ON LIVE TV BUT THROUGH

8429
04:34:03,466 --> 04:34:07,466
WERE NEUTRAL ARBITERS IN THE

8430
04:34:07,466 --> 04:34:08,733
MEDIA.

8431
04:34:08,733 --> 04:34:11,466
THE MEDIA WAS RIGOROUS IN

8432
04:34:11,466 --> 04:34:13,266
TESTING THE FACTUAL VALIDITY OF

8433
04:34:13,266 --> 04:34:14,433
WHAT WAS SAID.

8434
04:34:14,433 --> 04:34:16,033
IN THE END, IN NIXON, THERE WAS

8435
04:34:16,033 --> 04:34:23,866
A GENERAL NATIONAL CONSENSUS.

8436
04:34:23,866 --> 04:34:25,366
A ABOUT WHAT HAD HAPPENED AND

8437
04:34:25,366 --> 04:34:26,133
THAT IT WAS BAD.

8438
04:34:26,133 --> 04:34:27,433
THE PROBLEM HERE AND I DON'T

8439
04:34:27,433 --> 04:34:28,666
MEAN TO PICK ON THE REPUBLICANS

8440
04:34:28,666 --> 04:34:30,533
BUT SEEMS TO ME THIS IS WHERE

8441
04:34:30,533 --> 04:34:33,466
THE PROBLEM LIES, AT LEAST IN

8442
04:34:33,466 --> 04:34:34,800
PAST HEARINGS, YOU HAD

8443
04:34:34,800 --> 04:34:36,866
REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVES

8444
04:34:36,866 --> 04:34:40,800
TAKING POSITIONS AND MAKING AER

8445
04:34:40,800 --> 04:34:46,500
IS -- ASSERTIONS THAT WERE

8446
04:34:46,500 --> 04:34:47,733
COUNTER FACTUAL AND THEY SUFFER

8447
04:34:47,733 --> 04:34:48,933
NO PENALTY FOR THAT BECAUSE

8448
04:34:48,933 --> 04:34:51,433
THERE'S A COMPONENT OF THE MEDIA

8449
04:34:51,433 --> 04:34:53,433
IN TO WHICH THEY CAN RETREAT

8450
04:34:53,433 --> 04:34:54,733
LIKE A NICE WARM BATH.

8451
04:34:54,733 --> 04:34:57,300
THAT COMPONENT OF THE MEDIA IS

8452
04:34:57,300 --> 04:34:58,700
NOT GOING TO QUESTION THEIR

8453
04:34:58,700 --> 04:35:00,933
COUNTER FACTUAL ASSERTIONS.

8454
04:35:00,933 --> 04:35:03,466
NOT TO SAY THAT LIBERALS ARE

8455
04:35:03,466 --> 04:35:07,433
MORE LIBERAL LEANING MEDIA ARE

8456
04:35:07,433 --> 04:35:09,166
ALWAYS INNOCENT IN THIS REGARD.

8457
04:35:09,166 --> 04:35:11,466
BUT I THINK IT'S THE LARGER

8458
04:35:11,466 --> 04:35:15,833
ENVIRONMENT IN WHICH THIS IS

8459
04:35:15,833 --> 04:35:17,400
OPERATING THAT IS SO DIFFERENT.

8460
04:35:17,400 --> 04:35:18,733
>> WE'RE CLEARLY IN A DIFFERENT

8461
04:35:18,733 --> 04:35:19,333
MEDIA ENVIRONMENT TIED.

8462
04:35:19,333 --> 04:35:21,433
>> THAT'S WHAT I HEAR A LOT.

8463
04:35:21,433 --> 04:35:24,366
WHERE THE REPUBLICANS LIKE

8464
04:35:24,366 --> 04:35:25,800
HOWARD BAKER AND HUGH SCOTT.

8465
04:35:25,800 --> 04:35:27,466
BUT I THINK SOME REPUBLICANS

8466
04:35:27,466 --> 04:35:29,766
TODAY ARE CONSERVATIVES TODAY

8467
04:35:29,766 --> 04:35:31,433
WOULD SAY THERE WAS THE

8468
04:35:31,433 --> 04:35:34,433
APPEARANCE OF NEUTRALITY OR

8469
04:35:34,433 --> 04:35:35,233
OBJECTIVITY BACK THEN.

8470
04:35:35,233 --> 04:35:36,633
BUT IT'S ALWAYS -- WHY IS IT

8471
04:35:36,633 --> 04:35:38,233
ALWAYS THE REPUBLICANS THAT HAVE

8472
04:35:38,233 --> 04:35:39,833
TO BE THE PEOPLE THAT

8473
04:35:39,833 --> 04:35:40,233
COMPROMISE?

8474
04:35:40,233 --> 04:35:42,233
IF YOU LOOK AT MOST OF

8475
04:35:42,233 --> 04:35:43,466
DEMOCRATIC SCANDALS IN THE LAST

8476
04:35:43,466 --> 04:35:47,366
20 YEARS, THE DEMOCRATS ARE IN

8477
04:35:47,366 --> 04:35:49,133
THE HOUSE ARE IN ABSOLUTE LOCK

8478
04:35:49,133 --> 04:35:50,800
STEP IN SUPPORTING THE

8479
04:35:50,800 --> 04:35:51,166
PRESIDENT.

8480
04:35:51,166 --> 04:35:52,266
BOTH SIDES DO IT.

8481
04:35:52,266 --> 04:35:54,566
BOTH SIDES HAVE THEIR NETWORK --

8482
04:35:54,566 --> 04:35:55,766
>> THERE WERE DEMOCRATS THAT

8483
04:35:55,766 --> 04:35:57,133
VOTED AGAINST BILL CLINTON IN

8484
04:35:57,133 --> 04:35:57,766
THE IMPEACHMENT.

8485
04:35:57,766 --> 04:35:59,433
>> IN THE HOUSE THERE WERE.

8486
04:35:59,433 --> 04:36:01,000
THAT'S TRUE.

8487
04:36:01,000 --> 04:36:02,700
NONE IN THE SENATE.

8488
04:36:02,700 --> 04:36:04,666
SO IT IS WHAT IT IS.

8489
04:36:04,666 --> 04:36:06,266
BUT CERTAINLY I AGREE WITH

8490
04:36:06,266 --> 04:36:06,600
FRANK.

8491
04:36:06,600 --> 04:36:08,166
THAT YOU DON'T -- THERE'S NO

8492
04:36:08,166 --> 04:36:10,500
ROOM ANYMORE FOR THE -- THAT

8493
04:36:10,500 --> 04:36:12,433
KIND OF REPUBLICAN.

8494
04:36:12,433 --> 04:36:15,833
THEY DON'T REALLY EXIST ANYMORE.

8495
04:36:15,833 --> 04:36:18,200
>> TO ME, ONE QUESTION IN MY

8496
04:36:18,200 --> 04:36:20,100
MIND IS WE HAVE GONE BACK AND

8497
04:36:20,100 --> 04:36:22,033
FORTH REFLECTING ON THE NIXON

8498
04:36:22,033 --> 04:36:24,366
IMPEACHMENT AND ON THE CLINTON

8499
04:36:24,366 --> 04:36:24,766
IMPEACHMENT.

8500
04:36:24,766 --> 04:36:27,100
THE OTHER TWO IN OUR MODERN ERA.

8501
04:36:27,100 --> 04:36:29,866
SEEMS TO ME IN SOME WAYS THIS IS

8502
04:36:29,866 --> 04:36:33,233
MORE AKIN TO THE NIXON

8503
04:36:33,233 --> 04:36:34,800
IMPEACHMENT IN THE WAY THAT THE

8504
04:36:34,800 --> 04:36:36,333
FACTS HAVE BUILT UP.

8505
04:36:36,333 --> 04:36:41,500
IT'S NOT THAT -- YOU DON'T HAVE

8506
04:36:41,500 --> 04:36:44,233
SOME SIMILARITIES.

8507
04:36:44,233 --> 04:36:45,700
WITH CLINTON, IT WAS ABOUT HIS

8508
04:36:45,700 --> 04:36:46,933
NOT TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT

8509
04:36:46,933 --> 04:36:51,433
HAVING HAD AN EXTRAMARITAL

8510
04:36:51,433 --> 04:36:52,633
AFFAIR.

8511
04:36:52,633 --> 04:36:53,833
>> RIGHT.

8512
04:36:53,833 --> 04:36:55,433
ONE INTERESTING COMPARISON

8513
04:36:55,433 --> 04:36:59,600
BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT

8514
04:36:59,600 --> 04:37:00,133
PROCESS HERE.

8515
04:37:00,133 --> 04:37:01,866
>> AND I SHOULD SAY

8516
04:37:01,866 --> 04:37:02,700
OBSTRUCTION --

8517
04:37:02,700 --> 04:37:03,966
>> ONE CRITICAL POINT HERE THAT

8518
04:37:03,966 --> 04:37:05,233
PEOPLE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHEN

8519
04:37:05,233 --> 04:37:06,633
THEY THINK ABOUT THE WAY IN

8520
04:37:06,633 --> 04:37:09,833
WHICH THIS PROCEED IS PERCEIVED,

8521
04:37:09,833 --> 04:37:10,800
ALSO, SOME REPUBLICAN COMPLAINTS

8522
04:37:10,800 --> 04:37:13,133
ABOUT PROCESS AND SOME OF WHICH

8523
04:37:13,133 --> 04:37:14,866
I THINK ARE LEGITIMATE, NOT ALL

8524
04:37:14,866 --> 04:37:18,600
BUT SOME, IS THAT THIS

8525
04:37:18,600 --> 04:37:21,900
IMPEACHMENT IS UNIQUE IN THIS

8526
04:37:21,900 --> 04:37:22,233
RESPECT.

8527
04:37:22,233 --> 04:37:25,233
IN BOTH NIXON WHERE -- AND IN

8528
04:37:25,233 --> 04:37:26,366
CLINTON, WHEN THE HOUSE

8529
04:37:26,366 --> 04:37:27,466
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE CAME TO

8530
04:37:27,466 --> 04:37:29,066
CONSIDER IMPEACHMENT, IT DID IT

8531
04:37:29,066 --> 04:37:30,500
ON A LARGE BODY OF MATERIAL THAT

8532
04:37:30,500 --> 04:37:34,300
WAS COLLECTED BY OTHER ENTITIES.

8533
04:37:34,300 --> 04:37:36,300
NIXON, THERE WAS A SPECIAL

8534
04:37:36,300 --> 04:37:39,466
PROSECUTOR INVESTIGATION THAT

8535
04:37:39,466 --> 04:37:40,566
PRODUCED GRAND JURY MATERIAL AND

8536
04:37:40,566 --> 04:37:44,066
HAD A LONG INVESTIGATION BY THE

8537
04:37:44,066 --> 04:37:46,366
WATERGATE SENATE COMMITTEE.

8538
04:37:46,366 --> 04:37:47,933
ALL THAT MATERIAL AND

8539
04:37:47,933 --> 04:37:48,333
NEWSPAPERS.

8540
04:37:48,333 --> 04:37:49,500
THEY BASICALLY DELIVERED THAT TO

8541
04:37:49,500 --> 04:37:50,900
THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE AND THEY

8542
04:37:50,900 --> 04:37:54,533
DIDN'T HAVE TO DO MUCH FACTUAL

8543
04:37:54,533 --> 04:37:54,966
INVESTIGATION.

8544
04:37:54,966 --> 04:37:56,466
LIKEWISE WITH RESPECT TO

8545
04:37:56,466 --> 04:37:58,600
CLINTON, KEN STARR JUMPED THIS

8546
04:37:58,600 --> 04:38:00,100
STUFF, DROVE THE VAN UP TO THE

8547
04:38:00,100 --> 04:38:01,900
HOUSE STEPS AND DUMPED THIS ON

8548
04:38:01,900 --> 04:38:04,366
THE HOUSE AND SAID DO SOMETHING

8549
04:38:04,366 --> 04:38:04,700
WITH IT.

8550
04:38:04,700 --> 04:38:06,933
HERE UNIQUELY, THE ONLY TEAM IN

8551
04:38:06,933 --> 04:38:08,533
AMERICAN HISTORY WE HAD THE

8552
04:38:08,533 --> 04:38:11,500
HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE ON ITS

8553
04:38:11,500 --> 04:38:14,500
OWN HAVING TO INVESTIGATE ON ITS

8554
04:38:14,500 --> 04:38:17,833
OWN THE FACTS OF AN ENTIRELY NEW

8555
04:38:17,833 --> 04:38:18,166
MATTER.

8556
04:38:18,166 --> 04:38:18,666
ENTIRELY NEW.

8557
04:38:18,666 --> 04:38:20,166
>> WHICH IS UKRAINE.

8558
04:38:20,166 --> 04:38:20,633
>> RIGHT.

8559
04:38:20,633 --> 04:38:23,700
>> YOU DON'T HAVE A PROSECUTOR.

8560
04:38:23,700 --> 04:38:27,433
YOU HAD A SPECIAL COUNSEL IN --

8561
04:38:27,433 --> 04:38:30,100
WITH REGARD TO THE RUSSIA

8562
04:38:30,100 --> 04:38:31,366
INVESTIGATION AND ROBERT

8563
04:38:31,366 --> 04:38:31,700
MUELLER.

8564
04:38:31,700 --> 04:38:32,133
YOU'RE RIGHT.

8565
04:38:32,133 --> 04:38:34,300
NOT WITH REGARD TO UKRAINE,

8566
04:38:34,300 --> 04:38:35,666
WHICH IS THE PRINCIPLE FOCUS.

8567
04:38:35,666 --> 04:38:37,266
THAT DOES MAKE THIS DIFFERENT.

8568
04:38:37,266 --> 04:38:39,400
>> IT DOES.

8569
04:38:39,400 --> 04:38:42,133
THIS IS UNIQUE BECAUSE I GET

8570
04:38:42,133 --> 04:38:44,766
UPSET WHEN I HEAR SOME OF THE

8571
04:38:44,766 --> 04:38:46,400
DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS PEOPLE

8572
04:38:46,400 --> 04:38:50,500
SAYING THAT THIS IS WORSE THAN

8573
04:38:50,500 --> 04:38:50,966
WATERGATE.

8574
04:38:50,966 --> 04:38:54,666
IN NO WAY IS THIS WORSE THAN

8575
04:38:54,666 --> 04:38:55,033
WATERGATE.

8576
04:38:55,033 --> 04:38:56,333
NOTHING IS LIKE WATERGATE.

8577
04:38:56,333 --> 04:38:58,400
THE FELONIOUS OBSTRUCTION OF

8578
04:38:58,400 --> 04:38:59,466
JUSTICE, GROSS VIOLATION OF

8579
04:38:59,466 --> 04:39:01,833
CIVIL LIBERTIES.

8580
04:39:01,833 --> 04:39:03,200
THE PROBLEM HERE, THEIR PROBLEM

8581
04:39:03,200 --> 04:39:05,800
IS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO

8582
04:39:05,800 --> 04:39:07,500
PUT MORE INTO IT THAN THIS ONE

8583
04:39:07,500 --> 04:39:08,200
EVENT.

8584
04:39:08,200 --> 04:39:09,366
YOU ASKED EARLIER ABOUT HOW

8585
04:39:09,366 --> 04:39:10,866
SHOULD THE REPUBLICANS HANDLE

8586
04:39:10,866 --> 04:39:11,166
THIS.

8587
04:39:11,166 --> 04:39:13,233
I THINK THE WAY THEY SHOULD HAVE

8588
04:39:13,233 --> 04:39:15,600
HANDLED IT FROM THE BEGINNING,

8589
04:39:15,600 --> 04:39:16,466
THE PRESIDENT SHOULD HAVE SAID

8590
04:39:16,466 --> 04:39:17,266
DID I SCREW UP.

8591
04:39:17,266 --> 04:39:20,200
I SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE THAT.

8592
04:39:20,200 --> 04:39:22,866
THAT WAS A TERRIBLE THING TO DO.

8593
04:39:22,866 --> 04:39:25,800
>> OR MAYBE THAT WOULD HAVE GONE

8594
04:39:25,800 --> 04:39:26,100
AWAY.

8595
04:39:26,100 --> 04:39:27,233
WE'RE KEEPING AN EYE ON THE

8596
04:39:27,233 --> 04:39:28,300
HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE

8597
04:39:28,300 --> 04:39:28,866
HEARING ROM.

8598
04:39:28,866 --> 04:39:30,300
A NUMBER OF THE MEMBERS HAVE

8599
04:39:30,300 --> 04:39:33,033
COME BACK, NOT ALL OF THEM.

8600
04:39:33,033 --> 04:39:34,866
WE'RE LIKING FOR CHAIRMAN JERRY

8601
04:39:34,866 --> 04:39:35,866
NADLER BECAUSE THEY WILL BEGIN

8602
04:39:35,866 --> 04:39:37,633
TO GO TO OTHER MEMBERS.

8603
04:39:37,633 --> 04:39:38,800
THEY STARTED THE MEMBERS

8604
04:39:38,800 --> 04:39:39,733
QUESTIONING BUT THEY HAVE A LONG

8605
04:39:39,733 --> 04:39:40,833
WAY TO GO.

8606
04:39:40,833 --> 04:39:44,733
THERE'S 24 DEMOCRATS, 17

8607
04:39:44,733 --> 04:39:45,133
REPUBLICANS.

8608
04:39:45,133 --> 04:39:47,300
IT'S ALREADY 2:40 P.M. IN THE

8609
04:39:47,300 --> 04:39:49,633
AFTERNOON IN THE EAST.

8610
04:39:49,633 --> 04:39:50,966
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT A LONG

8611
04:39:50,966 --> 04:39:52,566
AFTERNOON EVEN THOUGH IT'S FIVE

8612
04:39:52,566 --> 04:39:55,466
MINUTES A MEMBER, WE'RE LOOKING

8613
04:39:55,466 --> 04:39:58,566
AT AT LEAST A COUPLE HOURS MORE

8614
04:39:58,566 --> 04:40:00,200
OF TESTIMONY.

8615
04:40:00,200 --> 04:40:03,466
AGAIN, JUDY WOODRUFF HERE WITH

8616
04:40:03,466 --> 04:40:07,400
SOL WISENBERG AND FRANK BOWMAN.

8617
04:40:07,400 --> 04:40:10,400
IT DOES IN SO MANY WAYS COME

8618
04:40:10,400 --> 04:40:13,700
DOWN TO THE -- NOT JUST THE

8619
04:40:13,700 --> 04:40:15,733
FACTS OF THE CASE BUT US A WE'RE

8620
04:40:15,733 --> 04:40:19,166
HEARING FROM THE LEGAL EXPERTS

8621
04:40:19,166 --> 04:40:20,600
WHAT THE CONSTITUTION SAYS AND

8622
04:40:20,600 --> 04:40:22,800
WHETHER WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP IS

8623
04:40:22,800 --> 04:40:25,933
ACCUSED OF DOING FITS THE

8624
04:40:25,933 --> 04:40:27,433
DEFINITION AS THE FOUNDING

8625
04:40:27,433 --> 04:40:30,633
FATHERS DEFINED IT, DESCRIBED IT

8626
04:40:30,633 --> 04:40:34,133
WHICH CONSTITUTES AN IMPEACHABLE

8627
04:40:34,133 --> 04:40:34,500
OFFENSE.

8628
04:40:34,500 --> 04:40:36,766
>> I MIGHT RECHARACTERIZE IT A

8629
04:40:36,766 --> 04:40:37,166
LITTLE BIT.

8630
04:40:37,166 --> 04:40:39,400
IT'S A MISTAKE TO THINK THAT THE

8631
04:40:39,400 --> 04:40:42,366
FOUNDING FATHERS DEFINED THE

8632
04:40:42,366 --> 04:40:43,400
SCOPE OF IMPEACHABLE CONDUCT.

8633
04:40:43,400 --> 04:40:44,833
THEY DIDN'T, NOT REALLY.

8634
04:40:44,833 --> 04:40:46,766
THEY PUT A PHRASE IN THE

8635
04:40:46,766 --> 04:40:48,500
CONTUSION.

8636
04:40:48,500 --> 04:40:51,400
TREASON, BRIBERY OR OTHER HIGH

8637
04:40:51,400 --> 04:40:52,100
CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS.

8638
04:40:52,100 --> 04:40:53,600
ALTHOUGH WHEN THEY PUT IN HIGH

8639
04:40:53,600 --> 04:40:54,300
CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS, THEY

8640
04:40:54,300 --> 04:40:56,566
KNEW THAT WAS IN A SENSE A TERM

8641
04:40:56,566 --> 04:40:58,966
OF ART THAT INCLUDED ESSENTIALLY

8642
04:40:58,966 --> 04:41:01,300
ALL THE THINGS FOR WHICH

8643
04:41:01,300 --> 04:41:02,933
PARLIAMENT HAD IMPEACHED PEOPLE

8644
04:41:02,933 --> 04:41:04,766
FOR IN THE PAST AND EARLY

8645
04:41:04,766 --> 04:41:06,000
AMERICAN IMPEACHMENTS HAD USED

8646
04:41:06,000 --> 04:41:06,566
THAT PHRASE.

8647
04:41:06,566 --> 04:41:08,966
WHAT THEY WERE REALLY DOING WHEN

8648
04:41:08,966 --> 04:41:09,600
THEY PUT HIGH CRIMES AND

8649
04:41:09,600 --> 04:41:11,500
MISDEMEANORS IN THE CONSTITUTION

8650
04:41:11,500 --> 04:41:13,933
IS THEY WERE SAYING AND I THINK

8651
04:41:13,933 --> 04:41:17,200
PAM KARLAN MAY HAVE MENTIONED

8652
04:41:17,200 --> 04:41:20,733
THIS, THEY WERE RECOGNIZING THAT

8653
04:41:20,733 --> 04:41:22,800
THEY COULDN'T PREDICT IN THE

8654
04:41:22,800 --> 04:41:24,466
VARIETIES OF EVIL INGENUITY OR

8655
04:41:24,466 --> 04:41:27,433
THE VARIOUS WAYS IN WHICH FUTURE

8656
04:41:27,433 --> 04:41:30,100
OFFICE HOLDERS MIGHT MISBEHAVE.

8657
04:41:30,100 --> 04:41:31,433
THEY UNINCLUDED THIS PHRASE

8658
04:41:31,433 --> 04:41:32,733
BECAUSE THEY RECOGNIZED WHILE IT

8659
04:41:32,733 --> 04:41:34,400
GAVE IT SOME SENSE OF WHAT HAD

8660
04:41:34,400 --> 04:41:36,966
BEEN DONE IN THE PAST, IT ALSO

8661
04:41:36,966 --> 04:41:39,233
GAVE CONGRESS THE PERMISSION TO

8662
04:41:39,233 --> 04:41:42,166
MAKE WHAT ARE IN THE END

8663
04:41:42,166 --> 04:41:43,300
ULTIMATELY POLITICAL JUDGMENTS

8664
04:41:43,300 --> 04:41:44,733
ABOUT THE NATURE OF THE

8665
04:41:44,733 --> 04:41:45,300
CONSTITUTIONAL ORDER.

8666
04:41:45,300 --> 04:41:46,800
SOME PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THAT.

8667
04:41:46,800 --> 04:41:47,966
THEY FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE

8668
04:41:47,966 --> 04:41:50,433
NOTION THAT THIS IS OPEN ENDED,

8669
04:41:50,433 --> 04:41:53,766
GIVES CONGRESS THIS KIND OF

8670
04:41:53,766 --> 04:41:55,100
AUTHORITIES.

8671
04:41:55,100 --> 04:41:56,833
THIS IS PLAIN A THROUGH OF

8672
04:41:56,833 --> 04:41:58,166
MR. TURLEY.

8673
04:41:58,166 --> 04:42:03,466
HE WANTS TO MAKE THIS A

8674
04:42:03,466 --> 04:42:04,433
LEGALISTIC PROCESS.

8675
04:42:04,433 --> 04:42:07,266
TO BE ABLE TO PROVE EACH AND

8676
04:42:07,266 --> 04:42:10,833
EVERY ELEMENT BEYOND A

8677
04:42:10,833 --> 04:42:13,766
REASONABLE DOUBT IF THIS WAS A

8678
04:42:13,766 --> 04:42:14,233
CRIMINAL TRIAL.

8679
04:42:14,233 --> 04:42:15,033
THAT'S NOT WHAT IMPEACHMENT IS.

8680
04:42:15,033 --> 04:42:16,833
IT'S ABOUT THE CONSTITUTIONAL

8681
04:42:16,833 --> 04:42:17,166
BALANCE.

8682
04:42:17,166 --> 04:42:21,066
>> THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE

8683
04:42:21,066 --> 04:42:21,733
STILL DEBATING.

8684
04:42:21,733 --> 04:42:22,833
>> AND ALWAYS DEBATE.

8685
04:42:22,833 --> 04:42:26,333
IN SOME SENSE THE CHALLENGE AND

8686
04:42:26,333 --> 04:42:28,133
THE BEAUTY OF IMPEACHMENT.

8687
04:42:28,133 --> 04:42:29,166
I TEACH THIS IMPEACHMENT CLASS

8688
04:42:29,166 --> 04:42:30,466
AT GEORGETOWN.

8689
04:42:30,466 --> 04:42:33,433
I SAY TO MY STUDENTS, IN SOME

8690
04:42:33,433 --> 04:42:36,066
WAYS IMPEACHMENT IS THIS NARROW

8691
04:42:36,066 --> 04:42:40,333
LITTLE NEVER USED EVENT.

8692
04:42:40,333 --> 04:42:43,433
THE TRUTH IS, IF YOU LOOK BACK

8693
04:42:43,433 --> 04:42:49,966
TO 1376, IF YOU UNDERSTAND

8694
04:42:49,966 --> 04:42:50,600
IMPEACHMENT, YOU HAVE TO

8695
04:42:50,600 --> 04:42:51,400
UNDERSTAND WHAT HAS HAPPENED

8696
04:42:51,400 --> 04:42:52,800
BECAUSE IT TOUCHES EVERYTHING.

8697
04:42:52,800 --> 04:42:55,866
>> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE

8698
04:42:55,866 --> 04:42:58,366
UNITED STATES AND ENGLAND FROM

8699
04:42:58,366 --> 04:42:59,800
WHICH THE UNITED STATES REBELLED

8700
04:42:59,800 --> 04:43:01,266
AND SEPARATED.

8701
04:43:01,266 --> 04:43:02,866
I'M KEEPING AN EYE ON

8702
04:43:02,866 --> 04:43:04,333
CONGRESSMAN JERRY NADLER.

8703
04:43:04,333 --> 04:43:06,300
HE JUST GAVELLED THE COMMITTEE

8704
04:43:06,300 --> 04:43:07,133
BACK INTO SESSION.

8705
04:43:07,133 --> 04:43:07,666
LET'S LISTEN.

8706
04:43:07,666 --> 04:43:10,833
SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE ABOUT TO GET

8707
04:43:10,833 --> 04:43:12,633
UNDERWAY AGAIN.

8708
04:43:12,633 --> 04:43:18,200
MAYBE NOT.

8709
04:43:18,200 --> 04:43:20,033
THIS IS ONLY THE FOURTH TIME IN

8710
04:43:20,033 --> 04:43:21,666
AMERICAN HISTORY THAT

8711
04:43:21,666 --> 04:43:23,433
IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS HAVE

8712
04:43:23,433 --> 04:43:25,733
BEEN INSTITUTED IN THE CONGRESS.

8713
04:43:25,733 --> 04:43:29,833
SO WHAT YOU'RE JUST SAYING ABOUT

8714
04:43:29,833 --> 04:43:31,300
HOW RARELY IT'S TAKEN PLACE IN

8715
04:43:31,300 --> 04:43:34,800
THE 250 YEARS, 240-YEAR HISTORY

8716
04:43:34,800 --> 04:43:36,300
OF THIS COUNTRY TELLS YOU

8717
04:43:36,300 --> 04:43:38,000
SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT A SPECIAL

8718
04:43:38,000 --> 04:43:40,266
AND UNUSUAL THING IT IS.

8719
04:43:40,266 --> 04:43:43,433
>> IF I COULD BRIEFLY RESPOND --

8720
04:43:43,433 --> 04:43:47,333
>> AS WE CONGRESSMAN NADLER.

8721
04:43:47,333 --> 04:43:49,100
>> HOWEVER BROAD IT IS, IT CAN'T

8722
04:43:49,100 --> 04:43:51,766
BE THAT WHATEVER A MAJORITY OF

8723
04:43:51,766 --> 04:43:54,900
THE HOUSE DECIDES TO IMPEACH,

8724
04:43:54,900 --> 04:43:56,433
THAT THE PRESIDENT KIND OF

8725
04:43:56,433 --> 04:43:57,600
SERVES AT THEIR PLEASURE.

8726
04:43:57,600 --> 04:44:01,600
THAT'S WHAT MADISON WAS TALKING

8727
04:44:01,600 --> 04:44:02,700
ABOUT WHEN HE SAID THE

8728
04:44:02,700 --> 04:44:03,400
ADMINISTRATION IS TOO BROAD

8729
04:44:03,400 --> 04:44:04,166
BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT WOULD BE

8730
04:44:04,166 --> 04:44:06,466
SUBJECT TO THE WINDS OF

8731
04:44:06,466 --> 04:44:06,833
MAJORITY.

8732
04:44:06,833 --> 04:44:08,966
WE ALL AGREE THAT IS TOO BROAD.

8733
04:44:08,966 --> 04:44:10,733
THE QUESTION IS, WHERE DOES THE

8734
04:44:10,733 --> 04:44:11,200
LINE FALL.

8735
04:44:11,200 --> 04:44:13,500
IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT TURLEY HAS

8736
04:44:13,500 --> 04:44:15,466
A NARROWER VIEW THAN THE THREE

8737
04:44:15,466 --> 04:44:16,266
OTHER PROFESSORS.

8738
04:44:16,266 --> 04:44:18,300
>> WHICH BRINGS US BACK TO WHO

8739
04:44:18,300 --> 04:44:21,200
THE WITNESSES ARE TODAY.

8740
04:44:21,200 --> 04:44:22,866
IT'S PROFESSOR JONATHAN TURLEY

8741
04:44:22,866 --> 04:44:24,266
THERE TESTIFYING ON THE RIGHT.

8742
04:44:24,266 --> 04:44:27,633
LOOKS LIKE HE'S TAKING HIS SEAT

8743
04:44:27,633 --> 04:44:28,000
RIGHT NOW.

8744
04:44:28,000 --> 04:44:29,600
HE'S THE WITNESS CALLED GEORGE

8745
04:44:29,600 --> 04:44:30,266
WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY, THE

8746
04:44:30,266 --> 04:44:32,366
WITNESS CALLED BY THE

8747
04:44:32,366 --> 04:44:32,800
REPUBLICANS.

8748
04:44:32,800 --> 04:44:35,833
THE OTHER THREE ON HIS RIGHT,

8749
04:44:35,833 --> 04:44:41,733
YOUR LEFT AREMELA KARLAN,

8750
04:44:41,733 --> 04:44:43,966
AND NOAH FELDMAN.

8751
04:44:43,966 --> 04:44:46,066
THEY WERE CALLED BY THE

8752
04:44:46,066 --> 04:44:46,433
DEMOCRATS.

8753
04:44:46,433 --> 04:44:52,966
LET'S LISTEN NOW.

8754
04:44:52,966 --> 04:44:55,000
>> LET ME REPEAT.

8755
04:44:55,000 --> 04:44:56,800
THE COMMITTEE WILL COME TO

8756
04:44:56,800 --> 04:44:57,133
ORDER.

8757
04:44:57,133 --> 04:44:59,733
WHEN WE BROKE FOR RECESS, WE

8758
04:44:59,733 --> 04:45:01,533
WERE ON THE FIVE MINUTE RULE,

8759
04:45:01,533 --> 04:45:05,800
AND I RECOGNIZE MR.

8760
04:45:05,800 --> 04:45:07,466
SENSENBRENNER FOR FIVE

8761
04:45:07,466 --> 04:45:07,800
MINUTES.

8762
04:45:07,800 --> 04:45:09,666
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR.

8763
04:45:09,666 --> 04:45:10,033
CHAIRMAN.

8764
04:45:10,033 --> 04:45:11,800
I'M A VETERAN TO IMPEACHMENTS.

8765
04:45:11,800 --> 04:45:14,733
I'VE BEEN NAMED BY THE HOUSE

8766
04:45:14,733 --> 04:45:18,633
AS AN IMPEACHMENT MANAGER IN

8767
04:45:18,633 --> 04:45:19,133
FOUR IMPEACHMENTS.

8768
04:45:19,133 --> 04:45:20,233
CLINTON AND THREE JUDGES.

8769
04:45:20,233 --> 04:45:22,100
THAT'S MORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE

8770
04:45:22,100 --> 04:45:22,500
IN HISTORY.

8771
04:45:22,500 --> 04:45:25,066
ONE OF THE THINGS IN EVERY

8772
04:45:25,066 --> 04:45:25,933
IMPEACHMENT, WHETHER IT'S THE

8773
04:45:25,933 --> 04:45:28,800
ONES THAT I WAS INVOLVED IN OR

8774
04:45:28,800 --> 04:45:30,600
OTHERS THAT HAVE COME BEFORE

8775
04:45:30,600 --> 04:45:32,333
THE COMMITTEE WHERE I WAS NOT

8776
04:45:32,333 --> 04:45:33,833
A MANAGER THE DEBATE.

8777
04:45:33,833 --> 04:45:36,033
WHAT IS A HIGH CRIME AND

8778
04:45:36,033 --> 04:45:39,833
MISDEMEANOR, AND HOW SERIOUS

8779
04:45:39,833 --> 04:45:41,266
DOES THAT HAVE TO BE IN ORDER

8780
04:45:41,266 --> 04:45:46,266
FOR IT TO RISE TO THE LEVEL OF

8781
04:45:46,266 --> 04:45:47,433
AN IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE.

8782
04:45:47,433 --> 04:45:50,100
50 YEARS AGO, GERALD FORD MADE

8783
04:45:50,100 --> 04:45:53,300
A COMMENT SAYING A HIGH CRIME

8784
04:45:53,300 --> 04:45:54,566
AND MISDEMEANOR IS ANYTHING

8785
04:45:54,566 --> 04:45:56,933
THE MAJORITY OF THE HOUSE OF

8786
04:45:56,933 --> 04:45:58,266
REPRESENTATIVES DEEMS IT TO BE

8787
04:45:58,266 --> 04:45:59,600
ON ANY GIVEN DAY.

8788
04:45:59,600 --> 04:46:01,900
I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT.

8789
04:46:01,900 --> 04:46:04,666
YOU KNOW, THAT SETS A LOW BAR

8790
04:46:04,666 --> 04:46:07,100
OR A NON-EXISTENT BAR, AND IT

8791
04:46:07,100 --> 04:46:10,833
CERTAINLY WOULD BE THE

8792
04:46:10,833 --> 04:46:12,366
PRESIDENT SERVES AT THE

8793
04:46:12,366 --> 04:46:13,700
PLEASURE OF THE HOUSE WHICH IS

8794
04:46:13,700 --> 04:46:17,400
NOT WHAT THE FRAMERS INTENDED

8795
04:46:17,400 --> 04:46:20,466
WHEN THEY REJECTED THE BRITISH

8796
04:46:20,466 --> 04:46:22,033
FORM OF PARLIAMENTARY

8797
04:46:22,033 --> 04:46:22,866
DEMOCRACY WHERE THE PRIME

8798
04:46:22,866 --> 04:46:24,200
MINISTER IS THE GOVERNMENT

8799
04:46:24,200 --> 04:46:25,966
COULD BE OVERTHROWN BY A MERE

8800
04:46:25,966 --> 04:46:27,466
VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE IN THE

8801
04:46:27,466 --> 04:46:29,300
HOUSE OF COMMONS.

8802
04:46:29,300 --> 04:46:35,766
SO I'M LOOKING AT WHAT WE'RE

8803
04:46:35,766 --> 04:46:36,466
FACING HERE.

8804
04:46:36,466 --> 04:46:37,900
THIS INQUIRY WAS STARTED OUT

8805
04:46:37,900 --> 04:46:39,900
BY A COMMENT THAT PRESIDENT

8806
04:46:39,900 --> 04:46:41,766
TRUMP MADE TO PRESIDENT

8807
04:46:41,766 --> 04:46:44,733
ZELENSKY IN THE JULY 25th CALL

8808
04:46:44,733 --> 04:46:47,133
OF QUOTE DO ME A FAVOR."

8809
04:46:47,133 --> 04:46:51,433
THERE ARE SOME WHO SAID IT'S A

8810
04:46:51,433 --> 04:46:53,166
QUID QUO PRO.

8811
04:46:53,166 --> 04:46:55,600
OTHERS IMPLIED IT WAS A QUID

8812
04:46:55,600 --> 04:46:55,933
QUO PRO.

8813
04:46:55,933 --> 04:46:57,266
BOTH TRUMP AND ZELENSKY SAID

8814
04:46:57,266 --> 04:46:59,000
IT WASN'T, AND ZELENSKY SAID

8815
04:46:59,000 --> 04:47:05,033
THERE WAS NO PRESSURE ON ME,

8816
04:47:05,033 --> 04:47:08,566
AND THE AID WENT THROUGH

8817
04:47:08,566 --> 04:47:09,866
WITHIN SIX WEEKS AFTER THE

8818
04:47:09,866 --> 04:47:11,800
PHONE CALL WAS MADE.

8819
04:47:11,800 --> 04:47:13,133
CONTRAST THAT TO WHERE THERE

8820
04:47:13,133 --> 04:47:17,800
WAS NO IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY TO

8821
04:47:17,800 --> 04:47:26,100
VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN WHEN HE

8822
04:47:26,100 --> 04:47:27,866
SAID I HELD UP A BILLION

8823
04:47:27,866 --> 04:47:30,566
DOLLARS WORTH OF AID UNLESS

8824
04:47:30,566 --> 04:47:32,933
THE PROSECUTOR WAS FIRED

8825
04:47:32,933 --> 04:47:34,933
WITHIN SIX HOURS, AND SON OF A

8826
04:47:34,933 --> 04:47:36,400
BLEEP, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.

8827
04:47:36,400 --> 04:47:37,800
SEEMS TO ME IF YOU'RE LOOKING

8828
04:47:37,800 --> 04:47:39,733
FOR A QUID QUO PRO AND LOOKING

8829
04:47:39,733 --> 04:47:40,600
FOR SOMETHING THAT WAS REALLY

8830
04:47:40,600 --> 04:47:43,200
OVER THE TOP, IT WAS NOT

8831
04:47:43,200 --> 04:47:45,200
SAYING DO ME A FAVOR.

8832
04:47:45,200 --> 04:47:48,733
IT WAS SAYING SON OF A BLEEP,

8833
04:47:48,733 --> 04:47:51,233
THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED IN SIX

8834
04:47:51,233 --> 04:47:51,533
HOURS.

8835
04:47:51,533 --> 04:47:53,333
YOU KNOW, THE REPUBLICANS WHO

8836
04:47:53,333 --> 04:47:56,166
ARE IN CHARGE OF CONGRESS AT

8837
04:47:56,166 --> 04:47:58,566
THE TIME BIDEN MADE THAT

8838
04:47:58,566 --> 04:48:01,700
COMMENT, WE DID NOT TIE THE

8839
04:48:01,700 --> 04:48:03,500
COUNTRY UP FOR THREE MONTHS,

8840
04:48:03,500 --> 04:48:07,466
AND GOING ON FOUR NOW,

8841
04:48:07,466 --> 04:48:10,300
WRAPPING EVERYBODY IN THIS

8842
04:48:10,300 --> 04:48:14,300
TOWN AROUND THE AXELROD.

8843
04:48:14,300 --> 04:48:16,600
WE ATTEMPTED TO DO THE

8844
04:48:16,600 --> 04:48:17,100
PUBLIC'S BUSINESS.

8845
04:48:17,100 --> 04:48:17,833
THAT'S NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING

8846
04:48:17,833 --> 04:48:18,133
HERE.

8847
04:48:18,133 --> 04:48:19,466
I THINK THE AMERICAN PUBLIC

8848
04:48:19,466 --> 04:48:21,066
ARE GETTING A LITTLE BIT SICK

8849
04:48:21,066 --> 04:48:23,300
AND TIRED OF IMPEACHMENT,

8850
04:48:23,300 --> 04:48:24,333
IMPEACHMENT, IMPEACHMENT, WHEN

8851
04:48:24,333 --> 04:48:26,866
NAY KNOW THAT LESS THAN A YEAR

8852
04:48:26,866 --> 04:48:29,300
FROM NOW, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO

8853
04:48:29,300 --> 04:48:30,500
DETERMINE WHETHER DONALD TRUMP

8854
04:48:30,500 --> 04:48:32,166
STAYS IN OFFICE OR SOMEBODY

8855
04:48:32,166 --> 04:48:36,066
ELSE WILL BE ELECTED.

8856
04:48:36,066 --> 04:48:38,833
I TAKE THIS RESPONSIBILITY

8857
04:48:38,833 --> 04:48:39,366
EXTREMELY SERIOUSLY.

8858
04:48:39,366 --> 04:48:41,766
YOU KNOW, IT IS AN AWESOME AND

8859
04:48:41,766 --> 04:48:43,333
VERY GRAVE RESPONSIBILITY, AND

8860
04:48:43,333 --> 04:48:46,266
IT IS NOT ONE THAT SHOULD BE

8861
04:48:46,266 --> 04:48:46,700
DONE LIGHTLY.

8862
04:48:46,700 --> 04:48:51,300
IT IS NOT ONE THAT SHOULD BE

8863
04:48:51,300 --> 04:48:53,766
DONE WHICH SHOULD BE DONE

8864
04:48:53,766 --> 04:48:54,833
QUICKLY WITHOUT EXAMINING ALL

8865
04:48:54,833 --> 04:48:56,333
THE EVIDENCE WHICH WAS DONE IN

8866
04:48:56,333 --> 04:48:57,866
THE NIXON IMPEACHMENT, AND

8867
04:48:57,866 --> 04:49:01,866
WHAT WAS DONE LARGELY BY

8868
04:49:01,866 --> 04:49:05,366
KENNETH STAR IN THE CLINTON

8869
04:49:05,366 --> 04:49:05,766
IMPEACHMENT.

8870
04:49:05,766 --> 04:49:07,200
I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU, PROFESSOR

8871
04:49:07,200 --> 04:49:08,433
TURLEY BECAUSE YOU'RE THE ONLY

8872
04:49:08,433 --> 04:49:10,433
ONE OF THE FOUR UP THERE THAT

8873
04:49:10,433 --> 04:49:12,000
DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE IT MADE

8874
04:49:12,000 --> 04:49:14,066
UP BEFORE YOU WALK INTO THE

8875
04:49:14,066 --> 04:49:14,400
DOOR.

8876
04:49:14,400 --> 04:49:17,000
ISN'T THERE A DIFFERENCE

8877
04:49:17,000 --> 04:49:19,500
BETWEEN "DO ME A FAVOR" AND

8878
04:49:19,500 --> 04:49:25,566
"SON OF A BLEEP, THAT'S WHAT

8879
04:49:25,566 --> 04:49:25,933
HAPPENED."

8880
04:49:25,933 --> 04:49:29,800
IN SIX HOURS TIME.

8881
04:49:29,800 --> 04:49:32,133
>> GRAMMATICALLY, YES.

8882
04:49:32,133 --> 04:49:33,266
CONSTITUTIONALLY, IT REALLY

8883
04:49:33,266 --> 04:49:34,533
DEPENLDS ON THE CONTEXT.

8884
04:49:34,533 --> 04:49:36,266
I THINK YOUR POINT IS A GOOD

8885
04:49:36,266 --> 04:49:38,066
ONE IN THE SENSE THAT WE HAVE

8886
04:49:38,066 --> 04:49:39,466
TO DETERMINE FROM THE

8887
04:49:39,466 --> 04:49:41,766
TRANSCRIPT, AND HOPEFULLY FROM

8888
04:49:41,766 --> 04:49:43,466
OTHER WITNESSES WHETHER THIS

8889
04:49:43,466 --> 04:49:45,733
STATEMENT WAS PART OF AN

8890
04:49:45,733 --> 04:49:46,300
ACTUAL QUID QUO PRO.

8891
04:49:46,300 --> 04:49:49,000
I GUESS THE THRESHOLD QUESTION

8892
04:49:49,000 --> 04:49:50,966
IS, IF THE PRESIDENT SAID I'D

8893
04:49:50,966 --> 04:49:53,066
LIKE YOU TO DO THESE

8894
04:49:53,066 --> 04:49:53,533
INVESTIGATIONS.

8895
04:49:53,533 --> 04:49:55,000
I DON'T GROUP THEM TOGETHER.

8896
04:49:55,000 --> 04:49:56,466
I DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE

8897
04:49:56,466 --> 04:49:58,433
REQUEST FOR INVESTIGATION INTO

8898
04:49:58,433 --> 04:50:01,433
2016, FROM THE INVESTIGATION

8899
04:50:01,433 --> 04:50:01,833
INTO BIDEN.

8900
04:50:01,833 --> 04:50:04,833
BUT IT IS AN ISSUE OF ORDER.

8901
04:50:04,833 --> 04:50:07,433
THE MAGNITUDE OF ORDER

8902
04:50:07,433 --> 04:50:08,766
CONSTITUTIONALLY IF YOU ASK,

8903
04:50:08,766 --> 04:50:11,200
I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU DO THIS,

8904
04:50:11,200 --> 04:50:13,266
AS OPPOSED TO I HAVE A QUID

8905
04:50:13,266 --> 04:50:13,600
QUO PRO.

8906
04:50:13,600 --> 04:50:15,433
YOU EITHER DO THIS OR YOU

8907
04:50:15,433 --> 04:50:16,733
DON'T GET MILITARY AID.

8908
04:50:16,733 --> 04:50:18,966
>> THE TIME FOR THE GENTLEMAN

8909
04:50:18,966 --> 04:50:19,433
EXPIRED.

8910
04:50:19,433 --> 04:50:20,400
LADY FROM TEXAS.

8911
04:50:20,400 --> 04:50:24,000
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN,

8912
04:50:24,000 --> 04:50:24,600
FOR YIELDING.

8913
04:50:24,600 --> 04:50:26,333
>> PROFESSOR GERHARDT SAID IF

8914
04:50:26,333 --> 04:50:27,866
WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY

8915
04:50:27,866 --> 04:50:29,733
IS NOT IMPEACHABLE, THEN

8916
04:50:29,733 --> 04:50:32,733
NOTHING IS IMPEACHABLE.

8917
04:50:32,733 --> 04:50:35,400
I'M REMINDED OF MY TIME ON THE

8918
04:50:35,400 --> 04:50:37,266
HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE

8919
04:50:37,266 --> 04:50:38,433
DURING THE 1990s IMPEACHMENT,

8920
04:50:38,433 --> 04:50:40,900
AND A NUMBER OF FEDERAL

8921
04:50:40,900 --> 04:50:41,233
JUDGES.

8922
04:50:41,233 --> 04:50:43,866
I WAS GUIDED NOT ONLY BY THE

8923
04:50:43,866 --> 04:50:44,900
FACTS, BUT BY THE CONSTITUTION

8924
04:50:44,900 --> 04:50:47,400
AND THE DUTY TO SERVE THIS

8925
04:50:47,400 --> 04:50:48,300
NATION.

8926
04:50:48,300 --> 04:50:50,866
I BELIEVE, AS WE GREET YOU

8927
04:50:50,866 --> 04:50:53,133
TODAY THAT WE ARE CHARGED WITH

8928
04:50:53,133 --> 04:50:56,733
A SOBER AND SOMBER

8929
04:50:56,733 --> 04:50:58,166
RESPONSIBILITY.

8930
04:50:58,166 --> 04:51:00,366
SO PROFESSOR KARLAN, I'D LIKE

8931
04:51:00,366 --> 04:51:05,233
YOU TO LOOK AT THE

8932
04:51:05,233 --> 04:51:06,300
INTELLIGENCE VOLUME WHERE

8933
04:51:06,300 --> 04:51:07,466
HUNDREDS OF DOCUMENTS ARE

8934
04:51:07,466 --> 04:51:10,033
BEHIND THAT, AND THE MUELLER

8935
04:51:10,033 --> 04:51:10,733
REPORT.

8936
04:51:10,733 --> 04:51:13,400
PROFESSOR KARLAN, YOU STUDIED

8937
04:51:13,400 --> 04:51:13,800
THE RECORD.

8938
04:51:13,800 --> 04:51:19,300
DO YOU THINK IT IS "WAFER

8939
04:51:19,300 --> 04:51:20,800
THEN" AND CAN YOU REMARK ON

8940
04:51:20,800 --> 04:51:23,433
THE STRENGTH OF THE RECORD

8941
04:51:23,433 --> 04:51:27,866
BEFORE US?

8942
04:51:27,866 --> 04:51:31,100
>> OBVIOUSLY, IT'S NOT WAFER

8943
04:51:31,100 --> 04:51:31,766
THIN.

8944
04:51:31,766 --> 04:51:32,866
THE STRENGTH OF THE RECORD IS

8945
04:51:32,866 --> 04:51:36,833
NOT JUST IN THE SEPTEMBER -- I

8946
04:51:36,833 --> 04:51:38,633
MEAN THE JULY 25th CALL.

8947
04:51:38,633 --> 04:51:40,133
I THINK THE WAY YOU NEED TO

8948
04:51:40,133 --> 04:51:43,200
ASK ABOUT THIS IS HOW DOES IT

8949
04:51:43,200 --> 04:51:44,933
FIT INTO THE PATTERN OF

8950
04:51:44,933 --> 04:51:46,500
BEHAVIOR BY THE PRESIDENT.

8951
04:51:46,500 --> 04:51:48,800
WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS DRAWING

8952
04:51:48,800 --> 04:51:49,266
INFERENCES HERE.

8953
04:51:49,266 --> 04:51:51,500
THIS IS ABOUT CIRCUMSTANTIAL

8954
04:51:51,500 --> 04:51:53,533
EVIDENCE AS WELL AS DIRECT

8955
04:51:53,533 --> 04:51:53,900
EVIDENCE.

8956
04:51:53,900 --> 04:51:55,400
YOU'RE TRYING TO INFER DID THE

8957
04:51:55,400 --> 04:51:56,700
PRESIDENT ASK FOR A POLITICAL

8958
04:51:56,700 --> 04:51:59,033
FAVOR, AND I THINK THIS RECORD

8959
04:51:59,033 --> 04:52:00,700
SUPPORTS THE INFERENCE THAT HE

8960
04:52:00,700 --> 04:52:01,266
DID.

8961
04:52:01,266 --> 04:52:03,433
>> WHAT COMPARISONS, PROFESSOR

8962
04:52:03,433 --> 04:52:05,200
KARLAN, CAN WE MAKE BETWEEN

8963
04:52:05,200 --> 04:52:06,733
KINGS THAT THE FRAMERS WERE

8964
04:52:06,733 --> 04:52:09,466
AFRAID OF, AND THE PRESIDENT'S

8965
04:52:09,466 --> 04:52:10,000
CONDUCT TODAY?

8966
04:52:10,000 --> 04:52:12,666
>> SO KINGS COULD DO NO WRONG,

8967
04:52:12,666 --> 04:52:14,400
BECAUSE THE KING'S WORD WAS

8968
04:52:14,400 --> 04:52:14,866
LAW.

8969
04:52:14,866 --> 04:52:15,733
CONTRARY TO WHAT PRESIDENT

8970
04:52:15,733 --> 04:52:17,733
TRUMP HAS SAID, ARTICLE 2 DOES

8971
04:52:17,733 --> 04:52:20,600
NOT GIVE HIM THE POWER TO TWO

8972
04:52:20,600 --> 04:52:21,133
ANYTHING HE WANTS.

8973
04:52:21,133 --> 04:52:22,766
I'LL GIVE YOU ONE EXAMPLE THAT

8974
04:52:22,766 --> 04:52:24,300
SHOWS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN

8975
04:52:24,300 --> 04:52:25,466
HIM AND A KING.

8976
04:52:25,466 --> 04:52:26,733
THE CONSTITUTION SAYS THERE

8977
04:52:26,733 --> 04:52:29,666
CAN BE NO TITLES OF NOBILITY.

8978
04:52:29,666 --> 04:52:32,733
WHILE THE PRESIDENT CAN NAME

8979
04:52:32,733 --> 04:52:35,433
HIS SON BARON, HE CAN'T MAKE

8980
04:52:35,433 --> 04:52:36,500
HIM AIL BARON.

8981
04:52:36,500 --> 04:52:39,466
>> THE FOUNDING FATHER STEWART

8982
04:52:39,466 --> 04:52:41,766
MASON ASKED, SHALL ANY MAN BE

8983
04:52:41,766 --> 04:52:44,833
ABOVE JUSTICE, AND ALEXANDER

8984
04:52:44,833 --> 04:52:46,333
HAMILTON WROTE HIGH CRIMES AND

8985
04:52:46,333 --> 04:52:47,433
MISDEMEANORS MEAN THE ABUSE OF

8986
04:52:47,433 --> 04:52:48,733
VIOLATION OF SOME PUBLIC

8987
04:52:48,733 --> 04:52:49,033
TRUST.

8988
04:52:49,033 --> 04:52:51,466
AS WE MOVE QUICKLY, PROFESSOR

8989
04:52:51,466 --> 04:52:52,266
FELDMAN, YOU PREVIOUSLY

8990
04:52:52,266 --> 04:52:53,600
TESTIFIED THAT THE PRESIDENT

8991
04:52:53,600 --> 04:52:55,400
HAS ABUSED HIS POWER, IS THAT

8992
04:52:55,400 --> 04:52:56,733
CORRECT?

8993
04:52:56,733 --> 04:52:57,566
>> YES, MA'AM.

8994
04:52:57,566 --> 04:52:59,066
>> WHAT IS THE MOST COMPELLING

8995
04:52:59,066 --> 04:53:00,766
EVIDENCE IN THIS IMPEACHMENT

8996
04:53:00,766 --> 04:53:03,000
INQUIRY THAT WOULD LEAD YOU TO

8997
04:53:03,000 --> 04:53:03,300
THAT?

8998
04:53:03,300 --> 04:53:05,800
>> THE PHONE CALL OF JULY 25th

8999
04:53:05,800 --> 04:53:07,233
IS EXTRAORDNIARILY CLEAR TO MY

9000
04:53:07,233 --> 04:53:09,466
MIND IN THAT WE HEAR THE

9001
04:53:09,466 --> 04:53:10,833
PRESIDENT ASKING FOR A FAVOR

9002
04:53:10,833 --> 04:53:12,566
THAT'S CLEARLY OF PERSONAL

9003
04:53:12,566 --> 04:53:14,266
BENEFIT, RATHER THAN ACTING ON

9004
04:53:14,266 --> 04:53:16,766
BEHALF OF THE INTERESTS OF THE

9005
04:53:16,766 --> 04:53:17,100
NATION.

9006
04:53:17,100 --> 04:53:19,333
AND FURTHER FROM THAT --

9007
04:53:19,333 --> 04:53:21,333
FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD, MORE

9008
04:53:21,333 --> 04:53:22,900
EVIDENCE THAT TENDS TO GIVE

9009
04:53:22,900 --> 04:53:24,433
THE CONTEXT, AND SUPPORT FOR

9010
04:53:24,433 --> 04:53:26,666
THE EXPLANATION OF WHAT

9011
04:53:26,666 --> 04:53:27,433
HAPPENED.

9012
04:53:27,433 --> 04:53:29,033
>> PROFESSOR KARLAN HOW DOES

9013
04:53:29,033 --> 04:53:31,433
THE ABUSE AFFECT THE

9014
04:53:31,433 --> 04:53:31,933
DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM.

9015
04:53:31,933 --> 04:53:32,966
>> HAVING FOREIGN INTERFERENCE

9016
04:53:32,966 --> 04:53:34,766
IN OUR ELECTION MEANS THAT WE

9017
04:53:34,766 --> 04:53:35,566
ARE LESS FREE.

9018
04:53:35,566 --> 04:53:39,433
IT IS LESS OF WE THE PEOPLE

9019
04:53:39,433 --> 04:53:40,966
DETERMINING THE ELECTION THAN

9020
04:53:40,966 --> 04:53:41,533
A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT.

9021
04:53:41,533 --> 04:53:43,033
>> I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY

9022
04:53:43,033 --> 04:53:45,900
THAT THE PRESIDENT'S ACTIONS

9023
04:53:45,900 --> 04:53:46,400
ARE UNPRECEDENTED.

9024
04:53:46,400 --> 04:53:47,433
WHAT ALSO STRIKES ME IS HOW

9025
04:53:47,433 --> 04:53:49,633
MANY REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS

9026
04:53:49,633 --> 04:53:58,233
BELIEVE THAT HIS CONDUCT WAS

9027
04:53:58,233 --> 04:53:58,700
WRONG.

9028
04:53:58,700 --> 04:54:00,500
>> LISTEN TO THE COLONEL.

9029
04:54:00,500 --> 04:54:01,833
>> IT'S IMPROPER FOR THE

9030
04:54:01,833 --> 04:54:02,733
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

9031
04:54:02,733 --> 04:54:05,566
TO DEMAND A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT

9032
04:54:05,566 --> 04:54:07,466
INVESTIGATE AN U.S. CITIZEN

9033
04:54:07,466 --> 04:54:08,666
AND POLITICAL APPOINTMENT.

9034
04:54:08,666 --> 04:54:10,633
>> PROFESSOR FELDMAN IN LIGHT

9035
04:54:10,633 --> 04:54:11,933
OF THE FACT THAT THE PRESIDENT

9036
04:54:11,933 --> 04:54:13,300
ASKED FOR AN INVESTIGATION,

9037
04:54:13,300 --> 04:54:15,466
AND THEN ONLY WHEN HE WAS

9038
04:54:15,466 --> 04:54:19,166
CAUGHT RELEASED THE MILITARY

9039
04:54:19,166 --> 04:54:22,733
AID, IS THERE STILL A NEED FOR

9040
04:54:22,733 --> 04:54:23,133
IMPEACHMENT?

9041
04:54:23,133 --> 04:54:23,566
>> YES, MA'AM.

9042
04:54:23,566 --> 04:54:26,000
IMPEACHMENT IS COMPLETE WHEN

9043
04:54:26,000 --> 04:54:27,433
THE PRESIDENT ABUSED HIS

9044
04:54:27,433 --> 04:54:29,400
OFFICE, AND HE ABUSED OFFICE

9045
04:54:29,400 --> 04:54:31,433
BY ATTEMPTING TO ABUSE.

9046
04:54:31,433 --> 04:54:32,400
THERE'S NO DISTINCTION BETWEEN

9047
04:54:32,400 --> 04:54:34,633
TRYING TO DO IT AND SUCCEEDING

9048
04:54:34,633 --> 04:54:37,033
IN DOING IT, AND ESPECIALLY

9049
04:54:37,033 --> 04:54:38,633
TRUE IF YOU ONLY STOPPED WHEN

9050
04:54:38,633 --> 04:54:40,566
YOU GET CAUGHT.

9051
04:54:40,566 --> 04:54:42,200
>> ONLY 70% OF THE AMERICAN

9052
04:54:42,200 --> 04:54:43,833
PEOPLE BELIEVE WHAT THE

9053
04:54:43,833 --> 04:54:45,166
PRESIDENT DID WAS WRONG.

9054
04:54:45,166 --> 04:54:46,966
WE HAVE A SOLEMN

9055
04:54:46,966 --> 04:54:47,633
RESPONSIBILITY TO ADDRESS

9056
04:54:47,633 --> 04:54:49,533
THAT, AND AS WELL, OUR

9057
04:54:49,533 --> 04:54:53,100
FIDELITY TO OUR OATH AND OUR

9058
04:54:53,100 --> 04:54:54,666
DUTY, REMINDED OF THE MEN AND

9059
04:54:54,666 --> 04:54:56,700
WOMEN WHO SERVED IN THE UNITED

9060
04:54:56,700 --> 04:54:57,166
STATES MILITARY.

9061
04:54:57,166 --> 04:54:58,966
I'M REMINDED OF MY THREE

9062
04:54:58,966 --> 04:55:00,800
UNCLES WHO SERVED IN WORLD WAR

9063
04:55:00,800 --> 04:55:01,166
II.

9064
04:55:01,166 --> 04:55:03,466
I CAN'T IMAGINE THEM BEING ON

9065
04:55:03,466 --> 04:55:05,833
THE BATTLEFIELD, NEEDING ARMS

9066
04:55:05,833 --> 04:55:08,333
AND FOOD, AND THE GENERAL

9067
04:55:08,333 --> 04:55:10,233
SAYS, DO ME A FAVOR.

9068
04:55:10,233 --> 04:55:12,200
WE KNOW THAT GENERAL WOULD NOT

9069
04:55:12,200 --> 04:55:14,166
SAY DO ME A FAVOR.

9070
04:55:14,166 --> 04:55:17,766
AND SO IN THIS INSTANCE, THE

9071
04:55:17,766 --> 04:55:18,633
AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE

9072
04:55:18,633 --> 04:55:19,466
UNFETTERED LEADERSHIP, AND

9073
04:55:19,466 --> 04:55:21,866
IT'S OUR DUTY TO FAIRLY ASSESS

9074
04:55:21,866 --> 04:55:23,400
THE FACTS AND THE

9075
04:55:23,400 --> 04:55:23,833
CONSTITUTION.

9076
04:55:23,833 --> 04:55:27,233
I YIELD BACK MY TIME.

9077
04:55:27,233 --> 04:55:28,900
>> GENTLELADY YIELDS BACK.

9078
04:55:28,900 --> 04:55:30,500
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

9079
04:55:30,500 --> 04:55:32,933
IT'S CLEAR TO ME NO MATTER

9080
04:55:32,933 --> 04:55:34,600
WHAT QUESTIONS WE ASK THE FOUR

9081
04:55:34,600 --> 04:55:36,166
WITNESSES TODAY, AND NO MATTER

9082
04:55:36,166 --> 04:55:38,100
WHAT THEIR ANSWERS ARE, THAT

9083
04:55:38,100 --> 04:55:39,866
MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE

9084
04:55:39,866 --> 04:55:40,933
DEMOCRATS ON THE COMMITTEE ARE

9085
04:55:40,933 --> 04:55:43,733
GOING TO VOTE TO IMPEACH

9086
04:55:43,733 --> 04:55:44,200
PRESIDENT TRUMP.

9087
04:55:44,200 --> 04:55:45,833
THAT'S WHAT THEIR HARDCORE

9088
04:55:45,833 --> 04:55:47,366
TRUMP HATING BASE WANTS AND

9089
04:55:47,366 --> 04:55:49,066
HAVE WANTED THAT SINCE THE

9090
04:55:49,066 --> 04:55:50,100
PRESIDENT WAS ELECTED THREE

9091
04:55:50,100 --> 04:55:50,466
YEARS AGO.

9092
04:55:50,466 --> 04:55:51,933
IN FACT, WHEN DEMOCRATS TOOK

9093
04:55:51,933 --> 04:55:53,700
OVER THE HOUSE, ONE OF THE

9094
04:55:53,700 --> 04:55:56,766
FIRST THINGS THAT THEY DID WAS

9095
04:55:56,766 --> 04:55:57,900
INTRODUCE ARTICLES OF

9096
04:55:57,900 --> 04:55:59,166
IMPEACHMENT AGAINST PRESIDENT

9097
04:55:59,166 --> 04:56:01,466
TRUMP, AND THAT WAS WAY BEFORE

9098
04:56:01,466 --> 04:56:03,400
PRESIDENT TRUMP AND PRESIDENT

9099
04:56:03,400 --> 04:56:05,033
ZELENSKY EVER HAD THEIR FAMOUS

9100
04:56:05,033 --> 04:56:07,400
PHONE CALL, WHETHER IT WAS

9101
04:56:07,400 --> 04:56:08,733
PERFECT OR NOT.

9102
04:56:08,733 --> 04:56:12,466
NOW TODAY WE'RE UNDERTAKING A

9103
04:56:12,466 --> 04:56:13,733
LARGELY ACADEMIC EXERCISE,

9104
04:56:13,733 --> 04:56:16,166
INSTEAD OF HEARING FROM FACT

9105
04:56:16,166 --> 04:56:22,233
WITNESSES LIKE ADAM SCHIFF OR

9106
04:56:22,233 --> 04:56:22,666
HUNTER BIDEN.

9107
04:56:22,666 --> 04:56:25,833
WE'RE NOT PERMED TO CALL THEM.

9108
04:56:25,833 --> 04:56:27,966
IT SEEMS ADAM SCHIFF MISLED

9109
04:56:27,966 --> 04:56:29,266
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

9110
04:56:29,266 --> 04:56:30,400
COMMON SENSE WOULD CALL FOR

9111
04:56:30,400 --> 04:56:32,933
SCHIFF TO BE QUESTIONED ABOUT

9112
04:56:32,933 --> 04:56:33,533
THOSE THINGS.

9113
04:56:33,533 --> 04:56:33,966
BUT WE CAN'T.

9114
04:56:33,966 --> 04:56:35,933
MR. CHAIRMAN, BACK IN 1998

9115
04:56:35,933 --> 04:56:37,666
WHEN ANOTHER PRESIDENT, BILL

9116
04:56:37,666 --> 04:56:39,333
CLINTON WAS BEING CONSIDERED

9117
04:56:39,333 --> 04:56:40,966
FOR IMPEACHMENT, YOU SAID, AND

9118
04:56:40,966 --> 04:56:43,166
I QUOTE, "WE MUST NOT OVERTURN

9119
04:56:43,166 --> 04:56:44,700
AN ELECTION AND IMPEACH A

9120
04:56:44,700 --> 04:56:47,066
PRESIDENT WITHOUT AN

9121
04:56:47,066 --> 04:56:48,200
OVERWHELMING CONSENSUS OF THE

9122
04:56:48,200 --> 04:56:51,433
AMERICAN PEOPLE, AND THE

9123
04:56:51,433 --> 04:56:57,433
REPRESENTATIVES IN CONGRESS"

9124
04:56:57,433 --> 04:57:03,500
YOU ALSO SAID, THERE SHOULDN'T

9125
04:57:03,500 --> 04:57:07,133
BE AN IMPEACHMENT BY ONE SIDE,

9126
04:57:07,133 --> 04:57:09,566
AND OPPOSED BY THE OTHER.

9127
04:57:09,566 --> 04:57:11,466
YOU SHOULD IT WOULD CALL INTO

9128
04:57:11,466 --> 04:57:12,833
QUESTION THE VERY LEGITIMACY

9129
04:57:12,833 --> 04:57:14,900
OF OUR POLITICAL INSTITUTIONS.

9130
04:57:14,900 --> 04:57:17,533
THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID BACK

9131
04:57:17,533 --> 04:57:18,466
THEN, MR. CHAIRMAN.

9132
04:57:18,466 --> 04:57:20,966
WELL, WHAT YOU SAID SHOULD

9133
04:57:20,966 --> 04:57:22,233
NEVER HAPPEN, WHAT WE SHOULD

9134
04:57:22,233 --> 04:57:24,700
NEVER DO IS WHAT YOU'RE DOING

9135
04:57:24,700 --> 04:57:26,933
NOW, MOVING FORWARD WITHOUT A

9136
04:57:26,933 --> 04:57:28,200
CONSENSUS, AND IMPEACHMENT BY

9137
04:57:28,200 --> 04:57:29,833
ONE MAJOR PARTY THAT'S OPPOSED

9138
04:57:29,833 --> 04:57:30,633
BY THE OTHER.

9139
04:57:30,633 --> 04:57:31,966
AND IT'S ALMOST CERTAIN THAT

9140
04:57:31,966 --> 04:57:35,300
IT'S GOING TO RESULT IN THE

9141
04:57:35,300 --> 04:57:36,533
VERY DEVICEIVENESS AND

9142
04:57:36,533 --> 04:57:38,766
BITTERNESS THAT YOU SO

9143
04:57:38,766 --> 04:57:40,600
ACCURATELY WARNED US ABOUT

9144
04:57:40,600 --> 04:57:40,966
BACK THEN.

9145
04:57:40,966 --> 04:57:43,333
A COUPLE MORE QUOTES FROM A

9146
04:57:43,333 --> 04:57:46,433
WISE JERRY NADLER TWO DECADES

9147
04:57:46,433 --> 04:57:46,700
AGO.

9148
04:57:46,700 --> 04:57:48,566
"THE LAST THING YOU WANT IS TO

9149
04:57:48,566 --> 04:57:50,700
HAVE A PARTY LINE IMPEACHMENT.

9150
04:57:50,700 --> 04:57:52,333
YOU SHOULDN'T IMPEACH THE

9151
04:57:52,333 --> 04:57:54,566
PRESIDENT UNLESS IT'S A BROAD

9152
04:57:54,566 --> 04:57:56,200
CONSENSUS OF THE AMERICAN

9153
04:57:56,200 --> 04:57:56,733
PEOPLE."

9154
04:57:56,733 --> 04:57:58,933
THOSE WERE WISE WORDS, MR.

9155
04:57:58,933 --> 04:57:59,766
CHAIRMAN, BUT YOU'RE NOT

9156
04:57:59,766 --> 04:58:01,000
FOLLOWING THEM TODAY.

9157
04:58:01,000 --> 04:58:03,166
AND FINALLY AGAIN YOUR WORDS.

9158
04:58:03,166 --> 04:58:05,866
"THE ISSUE IN A POTERNAL

9159
04:58:05,866 --> 04:58:09,066
IMPE

9160
04:58:09,066 --> 04:58:09,533
POTENTIAL

9161
04:58:09,533 --> 04:58:11,833
IMPEACHMENT IS WHETHER TO

9162
04:58:11,833 --> 04:58:12,900
OVERTURN AN ELECTION, THE FREE

9163
04:58:12,900 --> 04:58:14,600
EXPRESSION OF THE AMERICAN

9164
04:58:14,600 --> 04:58:15,066
PEOPLE.

9165
04:58:15,066 --> 04:58:15,866
THAT'S AN EXTRAORDINARY POWER,

9166
04:58:15,866 --> 04:58:18,400
AND IT IS NOT ONE THAT WE

9167
04:58:18,400 --> 04:58:19,100
SHOULD EXERCISE LIGHTLY.

9168
04:58:19,100 --> 04:58:21,366
IT IS CERTAINLY NOT ONE WHICH

9169
04:58:21,366 --> 04:58:22,933
SHOULD BE EXERCISED IN A

9170
04:58:22,933 --> 04:58:24,766
MANNER WHICH EITHER IS OR

9171
04:58:24,766 --> 04:58:26,166
WOULD BE PERCEIVED BY THE

9172
04:58:26,166 --> 04:58:29,833
AMERICAN PEOPLE TO BE UNFAIR

9173
04:58:29,833 --> 04:58:31,133
AGAIN, MR. CHAIRMAN, THOSE

9174
04:58:31,133 --> 04:58:34,200
THINGS THAT YOU WARNED AGAINST

9175
04:58:34,200 --> 04:58:36,566
THEN ARE EXACTLY WHAT YOU AND

9176
04:58:36,566 --> 04:58:38,100
YOUR DEMOCRATIC COLLEAGUES ARE

9177
04:58:38,100 --> 04:58:38,466
DOING NOW.

9178
04:58:38,466 --> 04:58:40,100
YOU'RE ABOUT TO MOVE FORWARD

9179
04:58:40,100 --> 04:58:42,466
WITH A TOTALLY PARTY LINE

9180
04:58:42,466 --> 04:58:43,466
IMPEACHMENT.

9181
04:58:43,466 --> 04:58:48,566
THAT IS NOT A BROAD CONSENSUS.

9182
04:58:48,566 --> 04:58:49,300
YOU'RE OVERTURNING THE RESULT

9183
04:58:49,300 --> 04:58:50,900
OF A NATIONAL ELECTION, AND

9184
04:58:50,900 --> 04:58:52,833
THERE'S NO DOUBTS IT WILL BE

9185
04:58:52,833 --> 04:58:54,200
PERCEIVED BY AT LEAST HALF OF

9186
04:58:54,200 --> 04:58:58,000
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AS AN

9187
04:58:58,000 --> 04:58:58,600
UNFAIR PARTISAN EFFORT.

9188
04:58:58,600 --> 04:58:59,966
YOU ARE BOUND AND DETERMINEED

9189
04:58:59,966 --> 04:59:01,033
TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE

9190
04:59:01,033 --> 04:59:02,666
IMPEACHMENT, AND THE AMERICAN

9191
04:59:02,666 --> 04:59:03,500
PEOPLE DESERVE BETTER.

9192
04:59:03,500 --> 04:59:04,766
I GET IT.

9193
04:59:04,766 --> 04:59:06,100
DEMOCRATS ON THIS COMMITTEE

9194
04:59:06,100 --> 04:59:07,500
DON'T LIKE THIS PRESIDENT.

9195
04:59:07,500 --> 04:59:09,600
THEY DON'T LIKE HIS POLICIES

9196
04:59:09,600 --> 04:59:10,766
AND AS A PERSON.

9197
04:59:10,766 --> 04:59:12,466
THEY HATE HIS TWEETS.

9198
04:59:12,466 --> 04:59:14,700
THEY DON'T LIKE THE MUELLER

9199
04:59:14,700 --> 04:59:15,333
INVESTIGATION WAS A FLOP.

9200
04:59:15,333 --> 04:59:17,633
SO NOW YOU'RE GOING TO IMPEACH

9201
04:59:17,633 --> 04:59:17,900
HIM.

9202
04:59:17,900 --> 04:59:20,900
I'VE GOT NEWS FOR YOU, YOU MAY

9203
04:59:20,900 --> 04:59:23,500
TWIST ENOUGH ARMS IN THE HOUSE

9204
04:59:23,500 --> 04:59:28,366
TO IMPEACH THE PRESIDENT, BUT

9205
04:59:28,366 --> 04:59:28,766
THAT'S DIES.

9206
04:59:28,766 --> 04:59:31,400
AND THE PRESIDENT WILL LIKELY

9207
04:59:31,400 --> 04:59:33,300
BE RE-ELECTED TO A SECOND TERM

9208
04:59:33,300 --> 04:59:35,466
WITH THE HELP OF THIS

9209
04:59:35,466 --> 04:59:36,833
IMPEACHMENT CHARADE WE'RE

9210
04:59:36,833 --> 04:59:39,933
GOING THROUGH NOW, AND WHILE

9211
04:59:39,933 --> 04:59:42,433
WASTING THE AMERICAN TIME, AND

9212
04:59:42,433 --> 04:59:43,466
MONOTHIS IMPEACHMENT, THERE'S

9213
04:59:43,466 --> 04:59:45,833
OTHER PERSONALITY THINGS GOING

9214
04:59:45,833 --> 04:59:46,333
UNDONE.

9215
04:59:46,333 --> 04:59:50,733
WITHIN THE COMMITTEE'S

9216
04:59:50,733 --> 04:59:51,466
JURISDICTION, WE SHOULD BE

9217
04:59:51,466 --> 04:59:56,233
WORKING ON THE OPOIDS, AND

9218
04:59:56,233 --> 04:59:57,333
ASYLUM AT THE BORDER.

9219
04:59:57,333 --> 04:59:59,800
AND PROTECTING AMERICANS FROM

9220
04:59:59,800 --> 05:00:01,766
HAVING INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY

9221
05:00:01,766 --> 05:00:03,966
BY CHINESE COMPANIESS AND

9222
05:00:03,966 --> 05:00:04,666
ENHANCING ELECTION SECURITY,

9223
05:00:04,666 --> 05:00:06,166
JUST TO NAME A FEW THINGS.

9224
05:00:06,166 --> 05:00:07,666
AND CONGRESS OOZE A WHOLE

9225
05:00:07,666 --> 05:00:11,433
COULD BE WORKING ON REBUILDING

9226
05:00:11,433 --> 05:00:13,533
OUR CRUMBLING INFRASTRUCTURE,

9227
05:00:13,533 --> 05:00:14,933
AND PROVIDING TAX RELIEF TO

9228
05:00:14,933 --> 05:00:16,200
THE MIDDLE CLASS AND

9229
05:00:16,200 --> 05:00:16,900
ADDITIONAL SECURITY TO OUR

9230
05:00:16,900 --> 05:00:19,066
PEOPLE HERE AT HOME AND

9231
05:00:19,066 --> 05:00:19,433
ABROAD.

9232
05:00:19,433 --> 05:00:20,900
INSTEAD, HERE WE ARE SPINNING

9233
05:00:20,900 --> 05:00:22,700
OUR WHEELS ONCE AGAIN ON

9234
05:00:22,700 --> 05:00:23,433
IMPEACHMENT.

9235
05:00:23,433 --> 05:00:24,433
WHAT A WASTE.

9236
05:00:24,433 --> 05:00:27,433
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE SO

9237
05:00:27,433 --> 05:00:29,533
MUCH BETTER.

9238
05:00:29,533 --> 05:00:29,933
YIELD BACK.

9239
05:00:29,933 --> 05:00:33,400
>> GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK.

9240
05:00:33,400 --> 05:00:33,800
MR. COLLINS.

9241
05:00:33,800 --> 05:00:36,033
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

9242
05:00:36,033 --> 05:00:38,100
I TAKE NO PLEASURE IN THE FACT

9243
05:00:38,100 --> 05:00:38,500
WE'RE HERE.

9244
05:00:38,500 --> 05:00:40,933
AS A PATRIOT WHO LOVES

9245
05:00:40,933 --> 05:00:42,600
AMERICA, IT PAINS ME THAT THE

9246
05:00:42,600 --> 05:00:43,933
CIRCUMSTANCES FORCED US TO

9247
05:00:43,933 --> 05:00:47,400
UNDERTAKE THIS GRAVE AND

9248
05:00:47,400 --> 05:00:51,133
SOLEMN OBLIGATION.

9249
05:00:51,133 --> 05:00:52,266
NONETHELESS IS APPEARS

9250
05:00:52,266 --> 05:00:55,400
PRESIDENT TRUMP PRESSUREDu A

9251
05:00:55,400 --> 05:00:57,300
FOREIGN GOVERNMENT WILL IN THE

9252
05:00:57,300 --> 05:01:01,166
ELECTION BY PRESSURING A

9253
05:01:01,166 --> 05:01:01,700
POLITICAL OPPONENT.

9254
05:01:01,700 --> 05:01:02,466
WE'RE HERE TO PROTECT THE

9255
05:01:02,466 --> 05:01:03,466
CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED

9256
05:01:03,466 --> 05:01:04,166
STATES, AND UNDERSTANDING

9257
05:01:04,166 --> 05:01:05,800
WHETHER THE PRESIDENT'S

9258
05:01:05,800 --> 05:01:06,433
CONDUCT IS IMPEACHABLE.

9259
05:01:06,433 --> 05:01:07,733
IT'S ENTIRELY APPROPRIATE THAT

9260
05:01:07,733 --> 05:01:09,233
WE'RE EXAMINING OUR NATION'S

9261
05:01:09,233 --> 05:01:10,866
HISTORY AS IT RELATES TO

9262
05:01:10,866 --> 05:01:11,266
IMPEACHMENT.

9263
05:01:11,266 --> 05:01:12,766
THE FRAMERS OF THE

9264
05:01:12,766 --> 05:01:14,700
CONSTITUTION FEARED FOR

9265
05:01:14,700 --> 05:01:15,433
INTERFERENCE IN THE NATION'S

9266
05:01:15,433 --> 05:01:16,700
SOVEREIGNTY AND WANTED TO

9267
05:01:16,700 --> 05:01:18,566
ENSURE A CHECK AND BALANCE ON

9268
05:01:18,566 --> 05:01:19,133
THE EXECUTIVE.

9269
05:01:19,133 --> 05:01:21,300
WE SIT HERE WITH A DUTY TO THE

9270
05:01:21,300 --> 05:01:22,600
FOUNDERS, TO FULFILL THEIR

9271
05:01:22,600 --> 05:01:25,900
WISDOM AND BE A CHECK ON THE

9272
05:01:25,900 --> 05:01:26,266
EXECUTIVE.

9273
05:01:26,266 --> 05:01:28,433
WE THE PEOPLES HOUSE ARE THAT

9274
05:01:28,433 --> 05:01:28,733
CHECK.

9275
05:01:28,733 --> 05:01:29,633
UNDER THE CONSTITUTION THE HOW

9276
05:01:29,633 --> 05:01:31,433
ELSE CAN IMPEACH A PRESIDENT

9277
05:01:31,433 --> 05:01:33,200
FOR TREASON, BRIBERY AND OTHER

9278
05:01:33,200 --> 05:01:35,433
HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS.

9279
05:01:35,433 --> 05:01:36,233
PROFESSOR FELDMAN YOU

9280
05:01:36,233 --> 05:01:37,533
DISCUSSED HIGH CRIMES AND

9281
05:01:37,533 --> 05:01:39,433
MISDEMEANORS AND THE FACT THAT

9282
05:01:39,433 --> 05:01:41,266
HIGH REFERS TO CRIMES AND

9283
05:01:41,266 --> 05:01:41,700
MISDEMEANORS.

9284
05:01:41,700 --> 05:01:43,100
CAN YOU GIVE US A SUMMARY OF

9285
05:01:43,100 --> 05:01:44,133
WHAT HIGH CRIMES AND

9286
05:01:44,133 --> 05:01:45,466
MISDEMEANORS ARE, AND HOW

9287
05:01:45,466 --> 05:01:47,400
THEY'RE SDIRNGT FROM WHAT

9288
05:01:47,400 --> 05:01:49,333
PROFESSOR TURLEY SAID THEY

9289
05:01:49,333 --> 05:01:49,633
WERE?

9290
05:01:49,633 --> 05:01:50,033
>> YES.

9291
05:01:50,033 --> 05:01:52,466
ACTIONS OF THE PRESIDENT IN

9292
05:01:52,466 --> 05:01:54,900
OFFICE WHERE HE USESS HAD

9293
05:01:54,900 --> 05:01:57,333
OFFICE TO ADVANCE HIS PERSONAL

9294
05:01:57,333 --> 05:01:59,066
INTERESTS, POTENTIALLY FOR

9295
05:01:59,066 --> 05:02:01,300
PERSONAL GAIN, POTENTIALLY TO

9296
05:02:01,300 --> 05:02:02,966
CORRUPT THE ELECTORAL PROCESS,

9297
05:02:02,966 --> 05:02:04,600
AND POTENTIALLY AS WELL,

9298
05:02:04,600 --> 05:02:05,733
AGAINST THE NATIONAL SECURITY

9299
05:02:05,733 --> 05:02:07,466
INTEREST OF THE UNITED STATES.

9300
05:02:07,466 --> 05:02:10,733
I WOULD ADD THAT THE WORD HIGH

9301
05:02:10,733 --> 05:02:13,000
IS FOR CRIMES AND

9302
05:02:13,000 --> 05:02:13,433
MISDEMEANORS.

9303
05:02:13,433 --> 05:02:17,033
HIGH CRIMES AND HIGH

9304
05:02:17,033 --> 05:02:18,033
MISDEMEANORS, AND I BELIEVE

9305
05:02:18,033 --> 05:02:19,800
THE DEFINITION THAT WAS POSTED

9306
05:02:19,800 --> 05:02:22,033
EARLIER OF MISDEMEANOR WAS NOT

9307
05:02:22,033 --> 05:02:23,433
THE DEFINITION OF HIGH

9308
05:02:23,433 --> 05:02:24,600
MISDEMEANOR WHICH WAS A

9309
05:02:24,600 --> 05:02:26,000
SPECIFIC TERM BY THE FRAMERS,

9310
05:02:26,000 --> 05:02:27,333
AND DISCUSSED IN THE

9311
05:02:27,333 --> 05:02:28,066
CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION, BUT

9312
05:02:28,066 --> 05:02:29,533
ONLY THE WORD MISDEMEANOR.

9313
05:02:29,533 --> 05:02:31,433
THAT'S AN EASY MISTAKE TO

9314
05:02:31,433 --> 05:02:32,700
MAKE, BUT HIGH MISDEMEANORS

9315
05:02:32,700 --> 05:02:34,600
WERE THEIR OWN CATEGORY OF

9316
05:02:34,600 --> 05:02:35,833
ABUSES OF OFFICE AND THOSE

9317
05:02:35,833 --> 05:02:36,900
THINGS ARE IMPEACHABLE.

9318
05:02:36,900 --> 05:02:39,433
>> THANK YOU, PROFESSOR.

9319
05:02:39,433 --> 05:02:42,500
>> PROFESSIONALS FELDMAN AND

9320
05:02:42,500 --> 05:02:43,833
GERHARDT YOU INDICATED THREE

9321
05:02:43,833 --> 05:02:45,966
CATEGORY OF HIGH CRIMES AND

9322
05:02:45,966 --> 05:02:46,400
MISDEMEANORS.

9323
05:02:46,400 --> 05:02:51,400
ABUSE OF POWER, BETRAYAL OF

9324
05:02:51,400 --> 05:02:53,766
NATIONAL INTEREST, AND

9325
05:02:53,766 --> 05:02:54,333
CORRUPTION CORRUPTION.

9326
05:02:54,333 --> 05:02:54,766
IS THAT RIGHT?

9327
05:02:54,766 --> 05:02:56,100
>> YES, IT IS, AND PRESIDENT

9328
05:02:56,100 --> 05:02:59,400
FELDMAN AND GERHARDT, DO YOU

9329
05:02:59,400 --> 05:02:59,766
AGREE?

9330
05:02:59,766 --> 05:03:00,600
>> YES.

9331
05:03:00,600 --> 05:03:02,400
PROFESSOR GERHARDT, YOU SAID

9332
05:03:02,400 --> 05:03:04,800
IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE IS

9333
05:03:04,800 --> 05:03:05,500
SACRIFICING NATIONAL INTEREST

9334
05:03:05,500 --> 05:03:07,133
FOR HIS OWN PRIVATE END.

9335
05:03:07,133 --> 05:03:09,166
DO YOU ALL AGREE WITH THAT?

9336
05:03:09,166 --> 05:03:10,833
>> YES, SIR.

9337
05:03:10,833 --> 05:03:11,333
>> YES.

9338
05:03:11,333 --> 05:03:13,300
>> BASED ON THE EVIDENCE THAT

9339
05:03:13,300 --> 05:03:15,766
YOU'VE SEEN PROFESSOR FELDMAN,

9340
05:03:15,766 --> 05:03:18,366
KARLAN AND GERHARDT, HAS

9341
05:03:18,366 --> 05:03:20,566
PRESIDENT TRUMP SACRIFICED THE

9342
05:03:20,566 --> 05:03:22,666
COUNTRY'S INTEREST FOR HIS

9343
05:03:22,666 --> 05:03:22,933
OWN?

9344
05:03:22,933 --> 05:03:23,266
>> YES.

9345
05:03:23,266 --> 05:03:25,000
>> AND IS THERE A PARTICULAR

9346
05:03:25,000 --> 05:03:27,433
PIECE OF EVIDENCE THAT ILLUMN

9347
05:03:27,433 --> 05:03:28,666
NAIFTS THAT?

9348
05:03:28,666 --> 05:03:30,400
>> WHAT ILLUMINATES THAT MOST

9349
05:03:30,400 --> 05:03:32,866
FOR ME IS THE STATEMENT BY

9350
05:03:32,866 --> 05:03:35,433
AMBASSADOR SONDLAND THAT HE

9351
05:03:35,433 --> 05:03:37,266
WANTED SIMPLY THE ANNOUNCEMENT

9352
05:03:37,266 --> 05:03:38,766
OF AN INVESTIGATION, AND

9353
05:03:38,766 --> 05:03:41,133
SEVERAL PEOPLE SAID THE SAME

9354
05:03:41,133 --> 05:03:41,433
THING.

9355
05:03:41,433 --> 05:03:42,500
TESTIMONY BY AMBASSADOR VOLKER

9356
05:03:42,500 --> 05:03:43,800
TO THIS AS WELL.

9357
05:03:43,800 --> 05:03:45,866
WHAT HE WANTED WAS JUST

9358
05:03:45,866 --> 05:03:47,766
PUBLIC INFORMATION TO DAMAGE

9359
05:03:47,766 --> 05:03:48,200
JOE BIDEN.

9360
05:03:48,200 --> 05:03:49,933
HE DIDN'T CARE WHETHER JOE

9361
05:03:49,933 --> 05:03:53,366
BIDEN WAS FOUND GUILTY OR

9362
05:03:53,366 --> 05:03:53,766
EXONERATED

9363
05:03:53,766 --> 05:03:57,200
>> PROFESSIONALS FELDMAN, DO

9364
05:03:57,200 --> 05:03:58,266
YOU AGREE?

9365
05:03:58,266 --> 05:03:59,433
>> MY EMPHASIS WOULD BE THE

9366
05:03:59,433 --> 05:04:02,100
FACT THAT THE PRESIDENT HELD

9367
05:04:02,100 --> 05:04:05,133
UP AID TO AN ALLY FIGHTING A

9368
05:04:05,133 --> 05:04:07,466
WAR IN CONTRAVENTION OF THE

9369
05:04:07,466 --> 05:04:08,233
NATIONAL SECURITY COMMITTEE.

9370
05:04:08,233 --> 05:04:10,466
THAT SEEMS TO HAVE PLACED HIS

9371
05:04:10,466 --> 05:04:13,500
OWN INTERESTS IN PERSONAL

9372
05:04:13,500 --> 05:04:15,466
ADVANTAGE AHEAD OF THE --

9373
05:04:15,466 --> 05:04:18,000
>> AND BIPARTISAN?

9374
05:04:18,000 --> 05:04:19,133
>> YES.

9375
05:04:19,133 --> 05:04:20,100
>> PROFESSOR GERHARDT?

9376
05:04:20,100 --> 05:04:22,500
>> I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES.

9377
05:04:22,500 --> 05:04:24,700
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE

9378
05:04:24,700 --> 05:04:26,200
PRESIDENT'S OBSTRUCTION OF

9379
05:04:26,200 --> 05:04:26,900
CONGRESS, REFUSAL TO COMPLY

9380
05:04:26,900 --> 05:04:29,100
WITH A NUMBER OF SUBPOENAS

9381
05:04:29,100 --> 05:04:29,933
ORDERING MANY HIGH LEVEL

9382
05:04:29,933 --> 05:04:30,633
OFFICIALS IN THE GOVERNMENT

9383
05:04:30,633 --> 05:04:32,400
NOT TO COMPLY WITH SUBPOENAS

9384
05:04:32,400 --> 05:04:34,600
AND ASKING AND RTDING THE

9385
05:04:34,600 --> 05:04:37,500
ENTIRE EXECUTIVE BRANCH NOT TO

9386
05:04:37,500 --> 05:04:38,200
COOPERATE WITH CONGRESS.

9387
05:04:38,200 --> 05:04:40,266
IT'S USEFUL TO REMEMBER THE

9388
05:04:40,266 --> 05:04:41,166
CONSTITUTION SAYS THE HOUSE

9389
05:04:41,166 --> 05:04:44,166
HAS THE SOLE POWER TO IMPEACH.

9390
05:04:44,166 --> 05:04:46,566
THEY USE THE WORD SOLE TWICE

9391
05:04:46,566 --> 05:04:47,800
WITH REFERENCE TO THE HOUSE,

9392
05:04:47,800 --> 05:04:50,266
AND ONE WITH REFERENCE TO THE

9393
05:04:50,266 --> 05:04:53,466
SENATE WITH RESPECT TO

9394
05:04:53,466 --> 05:04:54,000
IMPEACHMENT TRIALS.

9395
05:04:54,000 --> 05:04:55,300
SOLE MEANS SOLE ONLY.

9396
05:04:55,300 --> 05:04:57,900
>> AND PROFESSOR TURLEY,

9397
05:04:57,900 --> 05:05:00,233
YOU'RE A SELF-DESCRIBED

9398
05:05:00,233 --> 05:05:02,266
SELF-ANNOINTED DEFENDER OF

9399
05:05:02,266 --> 05:05:02,866
ARTICLE 1 CONGRESS GUY.

9400
05:05:02,866 --> 05:05:04,800
BUT YOU JUSTIFY THE POSITION

9401
05:05:04,800 --> 05:05:06,533
THAT SAYS LEGALLY ISSUED

9402
05:05:06,533 --> 05:05:08,766
SUBPOENAS BY CONGRESS

9403
05:05:08,766 --> 05:05:09,466
ENFORCING ITS POWERS DON'T

9404
05:05:09,466 --> 05:05:11,833
HAVE TO BE COMPLIED WITH.

9405
05:05:11,833 --> 05:05:16,466
IT SEEMS YOU'RE AN ARTICLE 2

9406
05:05:16,466 --> 05:05:16,900
EXECUTIVE GUY.

9407
05:05:16,900 --> 05:05:17,833
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE

9408
05:05:17,833 --> 05:05:19,466
JOHNSON IMPEACHMENT IS NOT

9409
05:05:19,466 --> 05:05:19,800
USESFUL.

9410
05:05:19,800 --> 05:05:21,233
THAT WAS MALADMINISTRATION.

9411
05:05:21,233 --> 05:05:23,033
THIS IS A CRIMINAL ACT.

9412
05:05:23,033 --> 05:05:24,766
THANK YOU PROFESSORS FOR

9413
05:05:24,766 --> 05:05:26,433
HELPING US UNDERSTAND HIGH

9414
05:05:26,433 --> 05:05:27,200
CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS.

9415
05:05:27,200 --> 05:05:28,733
WE THE PEOPLES REPRESENTATIVES

9416
05:05:28,733 --> 05:05:34,533
IN THE PEOPLES HOUSE HAVE A

9417
05:05:34,533 --> 05:05:35,800
HIGH RESPONSIBILITY, AND SOLE

9418
05:05:35,800 --> 05:05:37,100
POWER TO DEFEND THE

9419
05:05:37,100 --> 05:05:38,633
CONSTITUTION AND DEFEND THE

9420
05:05:38,633 --> 05:05:40,433
DEMOCRACY, AND WE SHOULD

9421
05:05:40,433 --> 05:05:46,566
>> GENTLEMAN'S TIME EXPIRED.

9422
05:05:46,566 --> 05:05:47,366
>> THANK YOU.

9423
05:05:47,366 --> 05:05:50,433
>> I'M AFRAID THIS HEARING IS

9424
05:05:50,433 --> 05:05:52,066
INDICATIVE OF THE INDECENCY TO

9425
05:05:52,066 --> 05:05:54,466
WHICH WE'VE COME WHEN INSTEAD

9426
05:05:54,466 --> 05:05:57,266
OF COMMITTEE OF JURISDICTION

9427
05:05:57,266 --> 05:05:58,633
BRINGING IN FACTS WITH

9428
05:05:58,633 --> 05:05:59,800
WITNESSS TO GET TO THE BOTTOM

9429
05:05:59,800 --> 05:06:02,833
OF WHAT HAPPENED -- AND NOT

9430
05:06:02,833 --> 05:06:05,833
EVEN HAVING TIME TO REVIEW THE

9431
05:06:05,833 --> 05:06:23,466
REPORT, BUT TO START THE

9432
05:06:23,466 --> 05:06:24,866
HEARING WITH THE CHAIRMAN OF

9433
05:06:24,866 --> 05:06:27,466
THE COMMITTEE SAYING THAT THE

9434
05:06:27,466 --> 05:06:29,133
FACTS ARE UNDISPUTED.

9435
05:06:29,133 --> 05:06:32,333
THE ONLY THING THAT IS

9436
05:06:32,333 --> 05:06:33,733
DISPUTED MORE THAN THE FACTS

9437
05:06:33,733 --> 05:06:34,966
IN THE CASE IS THE STATEMENT

9438
05:06:34,966 --> 05:06:38,466
THAT THE FACTS ARE UNDISPUTED.

9439
05:06:38,466 --> 05:06:40,033
THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY DISPUTED,

9440
05:06:40,033 --> 05:06:42,400
AND THE EVIDENCE IS A BUNCH OF

9441
05:06:42,400 --> 05:06:45,066
HEARSAY ON HEARSAY THAT IF

9442
05:06:45,066 --> 05:06:47,233
ANYBODY HERE HAD TRIED CASES

9443
05:06:47,233 --> 05:06:48,600
BEFORE OF ENOUGH MAGNITUDE,

9444
05:06:48,600 --> 05:06:51,433
YOU WOULD KNOW YOU CAN'T RELY

9445
05:06:51,433 --> 05:06:55,433
ON HEARSAY ON HEARSAY, BUT WE

9446
05:06:55,433 --> 05:06:58,733
HAVE EXPERTS WHO KNOW BETTER

9447
05:06:58,733 --> 05:06:59,466
THAN THE ACCUMULATED

9448
05:06:59,466 --> 05:07:01,433
EXPERIENCE OF THE AGES.

9449
05:07:01,433 --> 05:07:02,766
SO HERE WE ARE.

9450
05:07:02,766 --> 05:07:05,700
I WOULD SUBMIT THAT WE NEED

9451
05:07:05,700 --> 05:07:06,300
SOME FACTUAL WITNESSES.

9452
05:07:06,300 --> 05:07:08,900
WE DO NOT NEED TO RECEIVE A

9453
05:07:08,900 --> 05:07:10,400
REPORT THAT WE DON'T HAVE A

9454
05:07:10,400 --> 05:07:13,366
CHANCE TO READ BEFORE THIS

9455
05:07:13,366 --> 05:07:13,700
HEARING.

9456
05:07:13,700 --> 05:07:17,833
WE NEED A CHANCE TO BRING IN

9457
05:07:17,833 --> 05:07:19,866
ACTUAL FACT WITNESSES, AND A

9458
05:07:19,866 --> 05:07:22,100
COUPLE NAMED ARE CRITICAL OF

9459
05:07:22,100 --> 05:07:22,666
GETING TO THE BOTTOM.

9460
05:07:22,666 --> 05:07:26,366
THEY WORK FOR THE NATIONAL

9461
05:07:26,366 --> 05:07:27,333
SECURITY COUNCIL.

9462
05:07:27,333 --> 05:07:28,633
ABIGAIL GRAY, THEY WERE

9463
05:07:28,633 --> 05:07:32,833
INVOLVED IN THE U.S. UKRAINE

9464
05:07:32,833 --> 05:07:33,166
AFFAIRS.

9465
05:07:33,166 --> 05:07:33,900
THEY WORKED WITH VICE

9466
05:07:33,900 --> 05:07:37,533
PRESIDENT BIDEN ON DIFFERENT

9467
05:07:37,533 --> 05:07:38,166
MATTERS INVOLVING UKRAINE.

9468
05:07:38,166 --> 05:07:40,166
THEY WORKED WITH BRENNAN AND

9469
05:07:40,166 --> 05:07:40,500
MASTERS.

9470
05:07:40,500 --> 05:07:42,500
THEY HAVE CRITICAL INFORMATION

9471
05:07:42,500 --> 05:07:44,200
ABOUT CERTAIN UKRANIANS

9472
05:07:44,200 --> 05:07:46,666
INVOLVEMENT IN OUR U.S.

9473
05:07:46,666 --> 05:07:47,033
ELECTION.

9474
05:07:47,033 --> 05:07:47,800
THEIR RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE

9475
05:07:47,800 --> 05:07:51,300
WITNESSES WHO WENT BEFORE THE

9476
05:07:51,300 --> 05:07:52,566
INTEL COMMITTEE AND OTHERS

9477
05:07:52,566 --> 05:07:53,933
INVOLVED IN THE ALLEGATIONS,

9478
05:07:53,933 --> 05:07:56,300
MAKE THEM THE MOST CRITICAL

9479
05:07:56,300 --> 05:07:58,033
WITNESSES IN THIS ENTIRE

9480
05:07:58,033 --> 05:07:58,466
INVESTIGATION.

9481
05:07:58,466 --> 05:07:59,600
AND THE RECORDS, INCLUDING

9482
05:07:59,600 --> 05:08:01,633
THEIR E-MAILS AND TEXT

9483
05:08:01,633 --> 05:08:03,066
MESSAGES AND FLASH DRIVES AND

9484
05:08:03,066 --> 05:08:03,733
COMPUTERS HAVE INFORMATION

9485
05:08:03,733 --> 05:08:05,866
THAT WILL BRING THIS EFFORT TO

9486
05:08:05,866 --> 05:08:09,800
REMOVE THE PRESIDENT TO A

9487
05:08:09,800 --> 05:08:11,233
SCREECHING HALT.

9488
05:08:11,233 --> 05:08:14,366
SO WE HAVE ARTICLES HERE FROM

9489
05:08:14,366 --> 05:08:16,466
OCTOBER 11th, GARY PICKET --

9490
05:08:16,466 --> 05:08:19,466
POINTS OUT THAT HOUSE

9491
05:08:19,466 --> 05:08:20,933
INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE

9492
05:08:20,933 --> 05:08:22,700
CHAIRMAN, ADAM SCHIFF

9493
05:08:22,700 --> 05:08:25,766
RECRUITED AIDES WHO WORKED

9494
05:08:25,766 --> 05:08:28,633
ALONGSIDE THE CIA

9495
05:08:28,633 --> 05:08:32,533
WHISTLEBLOWER DURING THE OBAMA

9496
05:08:32,533 --> 05:08:33,000
ADMINISTRATION.

9497
05:08:33,000 --> 05:08:34,566
ABIGAIL GRACE WAS HIREED IN

9498
05:08:34,566 --> 05:08:38,000
FEBRUARY WHILE SHAWN MISCO,

9499
05:08:38,000 --> 05:08:40,200
AND THE NSCA JOINED SCHIFF'S

9500
05:08:40,200 --> 05:08:41,800
COMMITTEE IN AUGUST, THE SAME

9501
05:08:41,800 --> 05:08:43,500
MONTH THE WHISTLEBLOWER

9502
05:08:43,500 --> 05:08:46,200
SUBMITTED HIS COMPLAINT.

9503
05:08:46,200 --> 05:08:48,100
IT GOES ON TO POINT OUT THAT

9504
05:08:48,100 --> 05:08:50,066
GRAILS WAS HIREED TO HELP

9505
05:08:50,066 --> 05:08:52,100
SCHIFF'S COMMITTEE TO

9506
05:08:52,100 --> 05:08:53,800
INVESTIGATE THE TRUMP WHITE

9507
05:08:53,800 --> 05:08:54,300
HOUSE.

9508
05:08:54,300 --> 05:08:56,533
THAT MONTH TRUMP ACCUSED

9509
05:08:56,533 --> 05:08:58,233
SCHIFF OF STEALING PEOPLE WHO

9510
05:08:58,233 --> 05:08:59,466
WERE WORKING AT THE WHITE

9511
05:08:59,466 --> 05:09:00,933
HOUSE, AND CHAIRMAN SCHIFF

9512
05:09:00,933 --> 05:09:02,400
SAID IF THE PRESIDENT IS

9513
05:09:02,400 --> 05:09:05,566
WORRIED ABOUT US HIRING FORMER

9514
05:09:05,566 --> 05:09:06,433
ADMINISTRATION PEOPLE HEESHLD

9515
05:09:06,433 --> 05:09:08,966
WORK ON BEING A BETTER

9516
05:09:08,966 --> 05:09:09,333
EMPLOYER.

9517
05:09:09,333 --> 05:09:11,500
NO, HE SHOULD HAVE FIRED

9518
05:09:11,500 --> 05:09:12,800
EVERYBODY LIKE BILL CLINTON D

9519
05:09:12,800 --> 05:09:14,666
ALL THE U.S. ATTORNEYS ON THE

9520
05:09:14,666 --> 05:09:15,033
SAME DAY.

9521
05:09:15,033 --> 05:09:16,766
THAT WOULD HAVE SAVED US A LOT

9522
05:09:16,766 --> 05:09:18,733
OF WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.

9523
05:09:18,733 --> 05:09:22,133
ANYWAY, WE NEED THOSE TWO

9524
05:09:22,133 --> 05:09:22,500
WITNESSES.

9525
05:09:22,500 --> 05:09:23,000
THEY'RE CRITICAL.

9526
05:09:23,000 --> 05:09:26,000
AND THEN WE ALSO NEED SOMEONE

9527
05:09:26,000 --> 05:09:30,166
WHO WAS A CIA DETAILEE TO THE

9528
05:09:30,166 --> 05:09:31,466
UKRAINE, AND THE STATE

9529
05:09:31,466 --> 05:09:36,966
DEPARTMENT SHOWS THAT HE WAS

9530
05:09:36,966 --> 05:09:39,466
WAS IN THE LAST ELECTIONS, AND

9531
05:09:39,466 --> 05:09:42,300
HE SPEAKS ARABIC AND RUSSIAN,

9532
05:09:42,300 --> 05:09:45,333
REPORTED DIRECTLY TO CHARLES,

9533
05:09:45,333 --> 05:09:48,666
A FRIEND OF THE CLINTON'S

9534
05:09:48,666 --> 05:09:50,600
AIDE, BLUMENTHAL, AND DID WORK

9535
05:09:50,600 --> 05:09:53,466
FOR THE POLICY OF CORRUPTION,

9536
05:09:53,466 --> 05:09:55,466
AND CLOSE TO CONTACT WITH THE

9537
05:09:55,466 --> 05:09:58,000
FBI STATE UKRANIAN OFFICIALS.

9538
05:09:58,000 --> 05:09:59,800
HAD A COLLATERAL DUTY TO

9539
05:09:59,800 --> 05:10:03,233
SUPPORT VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN.

9540
05:10:03,233 --> 05:10:07,433
IT WAS BIDEN WHO WAS OBAMA'S

9541
05:10:07,433 --> 05:10:09,533
POINT MAN ON UKRAINE.

9542
05:10:09,533 --> 05:10:14,266
ASSOCIATED WITH DNC OPERATIVE,

9543
05:10:14,266 --> 05:10:14,600
CHALUPA.

9544
05:10:14,600 --> 05:10:17,800
MET WITH HER, AND UKRANIAN

9545
05:10:17,800 --> 05:10:18,200
DELEGATION.

9546
05:10:18,200 --> 05:10:20,033
AND THERE IS ALL KINDS OF

9547
05:10:20,033 --> 05:10:23,666
REASONS WE NEED THESE THREE

9548
05:10:23,666 --> 05:10:24,033
WITNESSES.

9549
05:10:24,033 --> 05:10:26,900
I WOULD ASK PURSUANT TO

9550
05:10:26,900 --> 05:10:30,200
SECTION 4, HOUSE RESOLUTION

9551
05:10:30,200 --> 05:10:33,066
660, ASK OUR CHAIRMAN TO -- I

9552
05:10:33,066 --> 05:10:34,600
MEAN OUR RANKING MEMBER TO

9553
05:10:34,600 --> 05:10:36,633
SUBMIT THE REQUEST FOR THESE

9554
05:10:36,633 --> 05:10:37,700
THREE WITNESSES, BECAUSE WE'RE

9555
05:10:37,700 --> 05:10:39,433
NOT HAVING A FACTUAL HEARING

9556
05:10:39,433 --> 05:10:40,933
UNTIL WE HAVE THESE PEOPLE

9557
05:10:40,933 --> 05:10:42,700
THAT ARE AT THE BOTTOM OF

9558
05:10:42,700 --> 05:10:46,133
EVERY FACT OF THIS

9559
05:10:46,133 --> 05:10:46,566
INVESTIGATION.

9560
05:10:46,566 --> 05:10:47,366
>> GENTLEMAN --

9561
05:10:47,366 --> 05:10:48,233
>> I YIELD BACK.

9562
05:10:48,233 --> 05:10:50,233
>> THANKS FOR BRINGING DOWN

9563
05:10:50,233 --> 05:10:51,100
THE GAVEL HARD.

9564
05:10:51,100 --> 05:10:54,333
>> GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK.

9565
05:10:54,333 --> 05:10:54,733
MR. JOHNSON.

9566
05:10:54,733 --> 05:10:55,700
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN,

9567
05:10:55,700 --> 05:10:59,000
THE PRESIDENT HAS REGULARLY

9568
05:10:59,000 --> 05:11:00,566
AND RECENTLY SOLICITED FOREIGN

9569
05:11:00,566 --> 05:11:03,133
INTERFERENCE IN OUR UPCOMING

9570
05:11:03,133 --> 05:11:03,500
ELECTION.

9571
05:11:03,500 --> 05:11:05,800
PROFESSOR TURLEY WARNS THIS IS

9572
05:11:05,800 --> 05:11:07,433
AN IMPULSE MOMENT, AND

9573
05:11:07,433 --> 05:11:10,833
SUGGESTS THE HOUSE SHOULD

9574
05:11:10,833 --> 05:11:11,133
PAUSE.

9575
05:11:11,133 --> 05:11:12,766
PROFESSOR KARLAN, DO YOU AGREE

9576
05:11:12,766 --> 05:11:14,100
WITH PROFESSOR TURLEY?

9577
05:11:14,100 --> 05:11:14,400
>> NO.

9578
05:11:14,400 --> 05:11:15,966
IF YOU CONCLUDE, AS I THINK

9579
05:11:15,966 --> 05:11:17,466
THE EVIDENCE TO THIS POINT

9580
05:11:17,466 --> 05:11:19,900
SHOWS, THAT THE PRESIDENT IS

9581
05:11:19,900 --> 05:11:21,000
SOLICITING FOREIGN INVOLVEMENT

9582
05:11:21,000 --> 05:11:22,500
IN OUR ELECTION, YOU NEED TO

9583
05:11:22,500 --> 05:11:24,700
ACT NOW TO PREVENT FOREIGN

9584
05:11:24,700 --> 05:11:26,900
INTERFERENCE IN THE NEXT

9585
05:11:26,900 --> 05:11:28,466
ELECTION LIKE THE ONE WE HAD

9586
05:11:28,466 --> 05:11:29,533
IN THE PAST.

9587
05:11:29,533 --> 05:11:31,433
>> THANK YOU, PROFESSOR

9588
05:11:31,433 --> 05:11:31,766
KARLAN.

9589
05:11:31,766 --> 05:11:34,133
IN 30 SECONDS OR LESS TELL US

9590
05:11:34,133 --> 05:11:36,400
WHY YOU BELIEVE THE

9591
05:11:36,400 --> 05:11:38,733
PRESIDENT'S CONDUCT WAS SO

9592
05:11:38,733 --> 05:11:42,066
EGREGIOUS IT MERITS THE

9593
05:11:42,066 --> 05:11:43,433
DRASTIC REMEDY OF IMPEACHMENT.

9594
05:11:43,433 --> 05:11:46,266
>> BECAUSE HE INVITED THE

9595
05:11:46,266 --> 05:11:47,766
RUSSIANS INTO THE PROCESS THE

9596
05:11:47,766 --> 05:11:50,833
LAST TIME, AND HE INVITED

9597
05:11:50,833 --> 05:11:51,966
UKRANIANS INTO THE PROCESS,

9598
05:11:51,966 --> 05:11:53,033
AND SUGGESTED HE WOULD LIKE

9599
05:11:53,033 --> 05:11:55,333
THE CHINESE TO COME INTO THE

9600
05:11:55,333 --> 05:11:56,366
PROCESS

9601
05:11:56,366 --> 05:11:56,833
>> THANK YOU.

9602
05:11:56,833 --> 05:12:00,566
ONE OF THE FRAMERS OF OUR

9603
05:12:00,566 --> 05:12:01,300
CONSTITUTION, EDMUND RANDALL

9604
05:12:01,300 --> 05:12:05,166
WHO AT ONE TIME WAS MAYOR OF

9605
05:12:05,166 --> 05:12:06,700
WILLIAMSBURG, VIRGINIA WARNED

9606
05:12:06,700 --> 05:12:09,533
US THAT "THE EXECUTIVE WILL

9607
05:12:09,533 --> 05:12:11,800
HAVE GREAT OPPORTUNITIES OF

9608
05:12:11,800 --> 05:12:16,366
ABUSING HIS POWER."

9609
05:12:16,366 --> 05:12:19,433
PROFESSOR FELDMAN, PEOPLE LIKE

9610
05:12:19,433 --> 05:12:20,633
MAYOR RANDOLPH REBELLED

9611
05:12:20,633 --> 05:12:22,333
BECAUSE OF THE TYRANNY OF THE

9612
05:12:22,333 --> 05:12:22,633
KING.

9613
05:12:22,633 --> 05:12:23,666
WHY WERE THE FRAMERS CAREFUL

9614
05:12:23,666 --> 05:12:25,800
TO AVOID THE POTENTIAL FOR A

9615
05:12:25,800 --> 05:12:29,800
PRESIDENT TO BECOME SO

9616
05:12:29,800 --> 05:12:30,400
TYRANNICAL AND ABUSIVE?

9617
05:12:30,400 --> 05:12:32,333
WHAT DID THEY DO TO PROTECT

9618
05:12:32,333 --> 05:12:32,800
AGAINST IT?

9619
05:12:32,800 --> 05:12:34,333
>> THE FRAMERS BELIEVED

9620
05:12:34,333 --> 05:12:36,633
STRONGLY THAT THE PEOPLE WERE

9621
05:12:36,633 --> 05:12:37,200
KING AND SOVEREIGN.

9622
05:12:37,200 --> 05:12:38,100
THAT MEANS THE PRESIDENT

9623
05:12:38,100 --> 05:12:39,433
WORKED FOR THE PEOPLE.

9624
05:12:39,433 --> 05:12:42,700
THEY KNEW THAT A PRESIDENT WHO

9625
05:12:42,700 --> 05:12:43,966
COULDN'T BE CHECKED, WHO COULD

9626
05:12:43,966 --> 05:12:45,733
NOT BE SUPERVISESED BY HIS OWN

9627
05:12:45,733 --> 05:12:46,600
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, AND WHO

9628
05:12:46,600 --> 05:12:48,366
COULD NOT BE SUPERVISED BY

9629
05:12:48,366 --> 05:12:51,400
CONGRESS AND COULD NOT BE

9630
05:12:51,400 --> 05:12:52,533
IMPEACHED WOULD EFFECTIVELY BE

9631
05:12:52,533 --> 05:12:54,500
ABOVE THE LAW AND USE HIS

9632
05:12:54,500 --> 05:12:58,466
POWER TO GET HIMSELF

9633
05:12:58,466 --> 05:12:58,866
RE-ELECTED.

9634
05:12:58,866 --> 05:12:59,766
>> THANK YOU, PROFESSOR

9635
05:12:59,766 --> 05:13:00,166
FELDMAN.

9636
05:13:00,166 --> 05:13:03,166
I WANT TO DISCUSS THE FRAMERS

9637
05:13:03,166 --> 05:13:05,366
CONCERN ABOUT HOW ABUSE OF

9638
05:13:05,366 --> 05:13:07,433
POWER RELATES TO PRESIDENT

9639
05:13:07,433 --> 05:13:07,900
TRUMP'S CONDUCT.

9640
05:13:07,900 --> 05:13:09,100
ON JULY 25th PRESIDENT TRUMP

9641
05:13:09,100 --> 05:13:11,500
SAID TO PRESIDENT ZELENSKY, "I

9642
05:13:11,500 --> 05:13:16,700
WOULD LIKE YOU TO DO US A

9643
05:13:16,700 --> 05:13:17,466
FAVOR, THOUGH."

9644
05:13:17,466 --> 05:13:19,266
PROFESSOR FELDMAN WHO TRUMP

9645
05:13:19,266 --> 05:13:22,433
USED USE OF THE WORLD FAVOR

9646
05:13:22,433 --> 05:13:24,266
THOUGH, DUENGT HE WAS BENIGNLY

9647
05:13:24,266 --> 05:13:26,233
ASKING FOR A FAVOR, AND HOW IS

9648
05:13:26,233 --> 05:13:27,766
THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION

9649
05:13:27,766 --> 05:13:30,233
RELEVANT TO WHETHER THE

9650
05:13:30,233 --> 05:13:31,233
PRESIDENT ABUSED POWER?

9651
05:13:31,233 --> 05:13:32,600
>> IT'S RELEVANT BECAUSE

9652
05:13:32,600 --> 05:13:34,133
THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH

9653
05:13:34,133 --> 05:13:35,433
SOMEONE ASKING FOR A FAVOR IN

9654
05:13:35,433 --> 05:13:37,000
THE INTEREST OF THE UNITED

9655
05:13:37,000 --> 05:13:37,666
STATES OF AMERICA.

9656
05:13:37,666 --> 05:13:39,466
THE PRESIDENT IS FOR THE

9657
05:13:39,466 --> 05:13:41,533
PRESIDENT TO USE HIS OFFICE TO

9658
05:13:41,533 --> 05:13:44,566
SOLICIT OR DEMAND A FAVOR FOR

9659
05:13:44,566 --> 05:13:45,066
PERSONAL BENEFIT.

9660
05:13:45,066 --> 05:13:45,933
THE EVIDENCE STRONGLY SUGGESTS

9661
05:13:45,933 --> 05:13:47,766
THAT GIVEN THE POWER OF THE

9662
05:13:47,766 --> 05:13:48,766
PRESIDENT, AND GIVEN THE

9663
05:13:48,766 --> 05:13:50,533
INCENTIVES THAT THE PRESIDENT

9664
05:13:50,533 --> 05:13:52,133
CREATED FOR UKRAINE TO COMPLY

9665
05:13:52,133 --> 05:13:53,433
WITH THE REQUEST, THAT THE

9666
05:13:53,433 --> 05:13:55,366
PRESIDENT WAS SEEKING TO SERVE

9667
05:13:55,366 --> 05:13:57,066
HIS OWN PERSONAL BENEFIT AND

9668
05:13:57,066 --> 05:13:57,433
INTEREST.

9669
05:13:57,433 --> 05:13:59,100
THAT'S THE DEFINITION OF

9670
05:13:59,100 --> 05:13:59,666
CORRUPTION UNDER THE

9671
05:13:59,666 --> 05:14:00,166
CONSTITUTION.

9672
05:14:00,166 --> 05:14:02,033
>> OTHER WITNESSES HAVE ALSO

9673
05:14:02,033 --> 05:14:04,433
TESTIFIED THAT IT WAS THEIR

9674
05:14:04,433 --> 05:14:05,600
IMPRESSION THAT WHEN PRESIDENT

9675
05:14:05,600 --> 05:14:07,300
TRUMP SAID I WOULD LIKE YOU TO

9676
05:14:07,300 --> 05:14:11,066
DO US A FAVOR, THOUGH, THAT HE

9677
05:14:11,066 --> 05:14:12,566
WAS ACTUALLY MAKING A DEMANLD

9678
05:14:12,566 --> 05:14:16,466
AND NOT A Q. PROFESSOR FELDMAN

9679
05:14:16,466 --> 05:14:20,133
HOW DOES LT. COLONEL'S VINLD

9680
05:14:20,133 --> 05:14:21,366
MAN'S TESTIMONY THAT IT WAS A

9681
05:14:21,366 --> 05:14:23,300
DEMAND BECAUSE OF THE POWER

9682
05:14:23,300 --> 05:14:24,866
DESPAIRITY BETWEEN THE TWO

9683
05:14:24,866 --> 05:14:29,800
COUNTRIES RELATE BACK TO OUR

9684
05:14:29,800 --> 05:14:31,433
FRAMER'S CONCERNS ABOUT ABUSE

9685
05:14:31,433 --> 05:14:32,100
OF POWER.

9686
05:14:32,100 --> 05:14:33,666
>> HE STATES CLEARLY THAT THE

9687
05:14:33,666 --> 05:14:34,500
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

9688
05:14:34,500 --> 05:14:36,533
HAS SO MUCH MORE POWER THAN

9689
05:14:36,533 --> 05:14:38,033
THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE THAT

9690
05:14:38,033 --> 05:14:39,800
WHEN THE PRESIDENT USES THE

9691
05:14:39,800 --> 05:14:41,800
WORD FAVOR, THE REALITY IS

9692
05:14:41,800 --> 05:14:43,066
HE'S APPLYING TREMENDOUS

9693
05:14:43,066 --> 05:14:43,433
PRESSURE.

9694
05:14:43,433 --> 05:14:44,500
THE PRESSURE OF THE POWER OF

9695
05:14:44,500 --> 05:14:45,033
THE UNITED STATES.

9696
05:14:45,033 --> 05:14:46,800
THAT RELATES TO THE

9697
05:14:46,800 --> 05:14:47,433
CONSTITUTIONAL ABUSE OF

9698
05:14:47,433 --> 05:14:47,766
OFFICE.

9699
05:14:47,766 --> 05:14:48,466
IF SOMEONE OTHER THAN THE

9700
05:14:48,466 --> 05:14:50,366
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

9701
05:14:50,366 --> 05:14:51,600
ASKED THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE

9702
05:14:51,600 --> 05:14:53,633
TO DO A FAVOR, THE PRESIDENT

9703
05:14:53,633 --> 05:14:54,933
OF UKRAINE COULD SAY KNOW.

9704
05:14:54,933 --> 05:14:56,266
WHEN THE PRESIDENT OF THE

9705
05:14:56,266 --> 05:14:57,833
UNITED STATES USES THE OFFICE

9706
05:14:57,833 --> 05:14:59,233
OF THE PRESIDENT TO ASK FOR A

9707
05:14:59,233 --> 05:15:00,900
FAVOR THERE'S NO WAY FOR THE

9708
05:15:00,900 --> 05:15:02,333
PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE TO

9709
05:15:02,333 --> 05:15:02,900
REFUSE.

9710
05:15:02,900 --> 05:15:04,466
>> WE'VE HEARD TESTIMONY THAT

9711
05:15:04,466 --> 05:15:05,800
THE PRESIDENT WITHHELD A WHITE

9712
05:15:05,800 --> 05:15:07,466
HOUSE MEETING AND MILITARY AID

9713
05:15:07,466 --> 05:15:10,566
IN ORDER TO FURTHER PRESSURE

9714
05:15:10,566 --> 05:15:11,666
UKRAINE TO ANNOUNCE

9715
05:15:11,666 --> 05:15:14,066
INVESTIGATIONS OF VICE

9716
05:15:14,066 --> 05:15:16,866
PRESIDENT BIDEN AND THE 2016

9717
05:15:16,866 --> 05:15:17,233
ELECTION.

9718
05:15:17,233 --> 05:15:19,466
PRESIDENT KARLAN IS THAT WHY

9719
05:15:19,466 --> 05:15:20,933
YOUR TESTIMONY CONCLUDED THAT

9720
05:15:20,933 --> 05:15:22,333
THE PRESIDENT ABUSED HIS

9721
05:15:22,333 --> 05:15:22,633
POWER?

9722
05:15:22,633 --> 05:15:24,433
>> I THOUGHT THE PRESIDENT

9723
05:15:24,433 --> 05:15:26,800
ABUSED HIS POWER, BY ASKING

9724
05:15:26,800 --> 05:15:28,166
FOR A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION

9725
05:15:28,166 --> 05:15:29,800
OF AN UNITED STATES CITIZEN

9726
05:15:29,800 --> 05:15:33,266
FOR POLITICAL ENDS REGARDLESS

9727
05:15:33,266 --> 05:15:34,133
OF EVERYTHING ELSE.

9728
05:15:34,133 --> 05:15:35,800
THAT'S NOT ICING ON THE CAKE.

9729
05:15:35,800 --> 05:15:39,366
IT'S AN AGGRAVATING

9730
05:15:39,366 --> 05:15:40,500
CIRCUMSTANCE THAT WAS HERE.

9731
05:15:40,500 --> 05:15:43,433
>> THE PRESIDENT HOLDING AN

9732
05:15:43,433 --> 05:15:45,566
AMERICAN ALLY OVER A BARREL TO

9733
05:15:45,566 --> 05:15:47,800
EXTRACT PERSONAL FAVORS IS

9734
05:15:47,800 --> 05:15:48,300
DEEPLY TROUBLING.

9735
05:15:48,300 --> 05:15:51,166
THIS IS NOT AN IMPULSE BY

9736
05:15:51,166 --> 05:15:51,500
MOMENT.

9737
05:15:51,500 --> 05:15:53,100
IT'S A BREAK THE GLASS MOMENT,

9738
05:15:53,100 --> 05:15:55,400
AND IMPEACHMENT IS IS THE ONLY

9739
05:15:55,400 --> 05:15:55,933
APPROPRIATE REMEDY.

9740
05:15:55,933 --> 05:15:57,400
WITH THAT I YIELD BACK.

9741
05:15:57,400 --> 05:16:00,500
>> GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK.

9742
05:16:00,500 --> 05:16:00,900
MR. JORDAN.

9743
05:16:00,900 --> 05:16:03,500
>> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.

9744
05:16:03,500 --> 05:16:05,833
>> BEFORE SPEAKER PELOSI

9745
05:16:05,833 --> 05:16:07,100
ANNOUNCED IMPEACHMENT, BEFORE

9746
05:16:07,100 --> 05:16:08,233
THE CALL BETWEEN PRESIDENT

9747
05:16:08,233 --> 05:16:10,433
TRUMP AND PRESIDENT ZELENSKY

9748
05:16:10,433 --> 05:16:11,033
ON JULY 25th.

9749
05:16:11,033 --> 05:16:12,566
BEFORE THE MUELLER HEARING IN

9750
05:16:12,566 --> 05:16:14,800
FRONT OF THIS COMMITTEE ON

9751
05:16:14,800 --> 05:16:18,733
JULY 24th, BEFORE ALL THAT,

9752
05:16:18,733 --> 05:16:21,166
THEY HAD ALREADY VOTEED TO

9753
05:16:21,166 --> 05:16:23,333
MOVE FORWARD ON IMPEACHMENT.

9754
05:16:23,333 --> 05:16:24,633
16 DEMOCRATS ON THE JUDICIARY

9755
05:16:24,633 --> 05:16:25,733
MMITTEE VOTEED TO MOVE

9756
05:16:25,733 --> 05:16:27,933
FORWARD ON THE IMPEACHMENT

9757
05:16:27,933 --> 05:16:28,366
INQUIRY TODAY.

9758
05:16:28,366 --> 05:16:29,666
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE

9759
05:16:29,666 --> 05:16:32,333
POSITIONS THEY'VE TAKEN ARE

9760
05:16:32,333 --> 05:16:32,800
CONSTITUTIONAL.

9761
05:16:32,800 --> 05:16:34,266
SEEMS A LITTLE BACKWARD TO ME.

9762
05:16:34,266 --> 05:16:35,800
WE CAN'T GET AGREEMENT.

9763
05:16:35,800 --> 05:16:38,400
WE HAVE FOUR DEMOCRATS, FOUR

9764
05:16:38,400 --> 05:16:40,400
PEOPLE WHO VOTED FOR CLINTON,

9765
05:16:40,400 --> 05:16:42,366
AND THEY CAN'T AGREE.

9766
05:16:42,366 --> 05:16:44,366
TODAY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE

9767
05:16:44,366 --> 05:16:44,800
CONSTITUTION.

9768
05:16:44,800 --> 05:16:45,566
PROFESSOR TURLEY, YOU'VE BEEN

9769
05:16:45,566 --> 05:16:46,766
GREAT TODAY, BUT I THINK YOU

9770
05:16:46,766 --> 05:16:48,333
WERE WRONG ON ONE THING.

9771
05:16:48,333 --> 05:16:51,900
YOU SAID THAT THIS IS A FAST

9772
05:16:51,900 --> 05:16:52,700
IMPEACHMENT.

9773
05:16:52,700 --> 05:16:55,433
I WOULD ARGUE IT'S NOT FAST.

9774
05:16:55,433 --> 05:16:57,500
IT'S A PREDETERMINED

9775
05:16:57,500 --> 05:16:57,900
IMPEACHMENT.

9776
05:16:57,900 --> 05:16:58,633
PREDETERMINED IMPEACHMENT DONE

9777
05:16:58,633 --> 05:17:00,633
IN THE MOST UNFAIR PART SAN

9778
05:17:00,633 --> 05:17:02,866
FASHION WE HAVE EVER SEEN.

9779
05:17:02,866 --> 05:17:04,833
NO SUBPOENA POWER FOR

9780
05:17:04,833 --> 05:17:05,233
REPUBLICANS.

9781
05:17:05,233 --> 05:17:06,800
DEPOSITIONS IN SECRET IN THE

9782
05:17:06,800 --> 05:17:09,466
BUNKER OF THE CAPITOL.

9783
05:17:09,466 --> 05:17:11,466
17 PEOPLE COMING IN, AND NO

9784
05:17:11,466 --> 05:17:15,466
ONE ALLOWED IN EXCEPT WHO ADAM

9785
05:17:15,466 --> 05:17:17,000
SCHIFF ALLOWED.

9786
05:17:17,000 --> 05:17:19,100
CHAIRMAN SCHIFF PREVENTED

9787
05:17:19,100 --> 05:17:21,233
REPUBLICANS FROM ANSWERING

9788
05:17:21,233 --> 05:17:21,766
QUESTIONS.

9789
05:17:21,766 --> 05:17:23,466
EVERY DEMOCRAT QUESTION GOT

9790
05:17:23,466 --> 05:17:25,400
ANSWERED.

9791
05:17:25,400 --> 05:17:27,800
>> THEY WOULDN'T ALLOW THE

9792
05:17:27,800 --> 05:17:30,700
WITNESSES WE WANTED THREE

9793
05:17:30,700 --> 05:17:31,100
WEEKS AGO.

9794
05:17:31,100 --> 05:17:32,466
DEMOCRATS PROMISED US THE

9795
05:17:32,466 --> 05:17:33,166
WHISTLEBLOWER WOULD TESTIFY,

9796
05:17:33,166 --> 05:17:34,600
AND THEN CHANGED THEIR MIND.

9797
05:17:34,600 --> 05:17:36,566
AND THEY CHANGED THEIR MIND

9798
05:17:36,566 --> 05:17:37,033
WHY?

9799
05:17:37,033 --> 05:17:38,366
BECAUSE THE WHOLE WORLD

9800
05:17:38,366 --> 05:17:40,433
DISCOVERED THAT ADAM SCHIFF'S

9801
05:17:40,433 --> 05:17:43,300
STAFF HAD COORDINATED WITH THE

9802
05:17:43,300 --> 05:17:43,733
WHISTLEBLOWER.

9803
05:17:43,733 --> 05:17:46,233
THE WHISTLEBLOWER WITH NO

9804
05:17:46,233 --> 05:17:46,900
FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE, AND

9805
05:17:46,900 --> 05:17:47,666
BIASED AGAINST THE PRESIDENT

9806
05:17:47,666 --> 05:17:49,766
AND WORKED WITH JOE BIDEN,

9807
05:17:49,766 --> 05:17:52,600
WHOSE LAWYER IN JANUARY OF '17

9808
05:17:52,600 --> 05:17:54,733
SAID THE IMPEACHMENT PROCESS

9809
05:17:54,733 --> 05:17:55,233
STARTS THEN.

9810
05:17:55,233 --> 05:17:58,166
THAT'S THE UNFAIR PROCESS

9811
05:17:58,166 --> 05:17:59,000
WE'VE BEEN THROUGH.

9812
05:17:59,000 --> 05:18:03,100
THE REASON IT'S UNFAIR, CUT TO

9813
05:18:03,100 --> 05:18:03,466
THE CHASE.

9814
05:18:03,466 --> 05:18:04,966
THE REASON IT'S UNFAIR IS

9815
05:18:04,966 --> 05:18:07,266
BECAUSE THE FACTS AREN'T ON

9816
05:18:07,266 --> 05:18:07,666
THEIR SIDE.

9817
05:18:07,666 --> 05:18:10,166
THE FACTS ARE ON THE

9818
05:18:10,166 --> 05:18:10,666
PRESIDENT'S SIDE.

9819
05:18:10,666 --> 05:18:12,866
FOUR KEY FACTS WILL NEVER

9820
05:18:12,866 --> 05:18:13,200
CHANGE.

9821
05:18:13,200 --> 05:18:15,100
WE HAVE THE TRANSCRIPT.

9822
05:18:15,100 --> 05:18:16,866
THERE'S NO QUID QUO PRO IN THE

9823
05:18:16,866 --> 05:18:17,266
TRANSCRIPT.

9824
05:18:17,266 --> 05:18:17,966
THE TWO GUYS ON THE CALLER,

9825
05:18:17,966 --> 05:18:20,566
PRESIDENT TRUMP AND PRESIDENT

9826
05:18:20,566 --> 05:18:24,900
ZELENSKY BOTH SAID NO PRESSURE

9827
05:18:24,900 --> 05:18:25,366
OR PUSHING.

9828
05:18:25,366 --> 05:18:26,466
UKRANIANS DIDN'T KNOW THE AID

9829
05:18:26,466 --> 05:18:28,466
WAS HELD UP AT THE TIME OF THE

9830
05:18:28,466 --> 05:18:30,533
PHONE CALL, AND MOST

9831
05:18:30,533 --> 05:18:31,466
IMPORTANT, UKRANIANS NEVER

9832
05:18:31,466 --> 05:18:33,233
PROMISED TO START, AND NEVER

9833
05:18:33,233 --> 05:18:34,433
ANNOUNCED AN INVESTIGATION IN

9834
05:18:34,433 --> 05:18:37,033
THE TIME THAT THE AID WAS

9835
05:18:37,033 --> 05:18:37,400
PAUSED.

9836
05:18:37,400 --> 05:18:37,800
NEVER ONCE.

9837
05:18:37,800 --> 05:18:39,466
YOU KNOW WHAT DID HAPPEN IN

9838
05:18:39,466 --> 05:18:42,333
THOSE 55 DAYS THAT THE AID WAS

9839
05:18:42,333 --> 05:18:42,666
PAUSED.

9840
05:18:42,666 --> 05:18:44,366
THERE WERE FIVE KEY MEETINGS

9841
05:18:44,366 --> 05:18:45,466
BETWEEN PRESIDENT ZELENSKY AND

9842
05:18:45,466 --> 05:18:47,833
SENIOR OFFICIALS IN OUR

9843
05:18:47,833 --> 05:18:48,233
GOVERNMENT.

9844
05:18:48,233 --> 05:18:53,033
FIVE KEY MEETINGS.

9845
05:18:53,033 --> 05:18:55,000
JULY 26, AMBASSADOR VOLKER,

9846
05:18:55,000 --> 05:18:58,200
TAYLOR, AND SONDLAND MEET WITH

9847
05:18:58,200 --> 05:18:58,566
ZELENSKY.

9848
05:18:58,566 --> 05:18:59,833
WE THEN HAD AMBASSADOR VOLKER

9849
05:18:59,833 --> 05:19:02,866
END OF AUGUST METEOROLOGIST

9850
05:19:02,866 --> 05:19:03,466
WITH PRESIDENT ZELENSKY.

9851
05:19:03,466 --> 05:19:05,433
AND THE VICE PRESIDENT MET

9852
05:19:05,433 --> 05:19:07,366
WITH ZELENSKY ON SEPTEMBER

9853
05:19:07,366 --> 05:19:10,333
1st, AND THEN MORE

9854
05:19:10,333 --> 05:19:11,333
IMPORTANTLY, DEMOCRATIC

9855
05:19:11,333 --> 05:19:12,900
SENATOR MURPHY, WITH

9856
05:19:12,900 --> 05:19:15,500
REPUBLICAN SENATOR JOHNSON MET

9857
05:19:15,500 --> 05:19:18,766
WITH PRESIDENT ZELENSKY ON

9858
05:19:18,766 --> 05:19:19,200
SEPTEMBER 5th.

9859
05:19:19,200 --> 05:19:21,400
NONE OF THESE FIVE MEETINGS

9860
05:19:21,400 --> 05:19:23,866
WAS AID SDULSED IN EXCHANGE

9861
05:19:23,866 --> 05:19:25,366
FOR SAN ANNOUNCEMENT OF

9862
05:19:25,366 --> 05:19:26,000
INVESTIGATION.

9863
05:19:26,000 --> 05:19:29,133
>> AND YOU WOULD THINK AFTER

9864
05:19:29,133 --> 05:19:31,066
THE UKRANIANS KNEW THE AID WAS

9865
05:19:31,066 --> 05:19:34,533
WITHHELD IT WOULD COME UP WITH

9866
05:19:34,533 --> 05:19:36,166
THEN, ESPECIALLY WHEN DEMOCRAT

9867
05:19:36,166 --> 05:19:37,666
MURPHY WAS TALK K ABOUT IT.

9868
05:19:37,666 --> 05:19:39,833
THE FACTS ARE ON THE

9869
05:19:39,833 --> 05:19:40,333
PRESIDENT'S SIDE.

9870
05:19:40,333 --> 05:19:41,633
WE HAVE AN UNFAIR PROCESS, AND

9871
05:19:41,633 --> 05:19:43,166
THEY DON'T HAVE THE FACTS.

9872
05:19:43,166 --> 05:19:45,533
WE HAVE AN UNFAIR PROCESS, AND

9873
05:19:45,533 --> 05:19:47,100
THIS GETS TO SOMETHING ELSE

9874
05:19:47,100 --> 05:19:49,766
YOU SAID, MR. TURLEY.

9875
05:19:49,766 --> 05:19:55,100
THIS IS SCARY.

9876
05:19:55,100 --> 05:19:57,133
HOW MAD THE KOUBTDRY IS.

9877
05:19:57,133 --> 05:19:58,400
THE DEMOCRATS HAVE NEVER

9878
05:19:58,400 --> 05:20:00,533
ACCEPTED THE WILL OF THE

9879
05:20:00,533 --> 05:20:02,200
AMERICAN PEOPLE.

9880
05:20:02,200 --> 05:20:05,066
TO MR. TURLEY'S POINT, 17 DAYS

9881
05:20:05,066 --> 05:20:06,733
AGO, THE SPEAKER OF THE UNITED

9882
05:20:06,733 --> 05:20:07,433
STATES HOUSE OF

9883
05:20:07,433 --> 05:20:08,700
REPRESENTATIVES CALLED THE

9884
05:20:08,700 --> 05:20:12,566
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

9885
05:20:12,566 --> 05:20:12,966
AN IMPOSTOR.

9886
05:20:12,966 --> 05:20:15,066
THE GUY 63 MILLION AMERICANS

9887
05:20:15,066 --> 05:20:17,766
VOTED FOR, AND WON AN

9888
05:20:17,766 --> 05:20:19,433
ELECTORAL LANDSLIDE, THE

9889
05:20:19,433 --> 05:20:25,500
SPEAKER CALLED THAT INDIVIDUAL

9890
05:20:25,500 --> 05:20:25,900
AN IMPOSTOR.

9891
05:20:25,900 --> 05:20:28,333
>> THE FACTS ARE THE FACTS ON

9892
05:20:28,333 --> 05:20:29,066
THE PRESIDENT'S SIDE.

9893
05:20:29,066 --> 05:20:32,300
THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO FOCUS

9894
05:20:32,300 --> 05:20:32,566
ON.

9895
05:20:32,566 --> 05:20:34,266
NOT SOME CONSTITUTIONAL

9896
05:20:34,266 --> 05:20:34,600
HEARING.

9897
05:20:34,600 --> 05:20:37,300
AT THE END OF THE PROCESS WHEN

9898
05:20:37,300 --> 05:20:38,133
YOU'VE ALREADY DETERMINED

9899
05:20:38,133 --> 05:20:39,966
WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO GO.

9900
05:20:39,966 --> 05:20:40,400
I YIELD BACK.

9901
05:20:40,400 --> 05:20:44,166
>> THE GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK.

9902
05:20:44,166 --> 05:20:45,733
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

9903
05:20:45,733 --> 05:20:47,766
MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS MONTH, WE

9904
05:20:47,766 --> 05:20:49,633
COMMEMORATE THE 75th

9905
05:20:49,633 --> 05:20:51,400
ANNIVERSARY OF THE BATTLE OF

9906
05:20:51,400 --> 05:20:53,433
THE BULGE.

9907
05:20:53,433 --> 05:20:59,300
MY LATE FURTHER, STAFF

9908
05:20:59,300 --> 05:21:02,433
SERGEANT BERNARD DEUTSCH HE

9909
05:21:02,433 --> 05:21:04,166
GAVE BLOOD AMONG TENS OF

9910
05:21:04,166 --> 05:21:06,166
THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS WHO

9911
05:21:06,166 --> 05:21:07,666
SERVED UNDER OFFICERS AND A

9912
05:21:07,666 --> 05:21:09,266
COMMANDER IN CHIEF WHO WERE

9913
05:21:09,266 --> 05:21:11,433
NOT FIGHTING A WAR FOR THEIR

9914
05:21:11,433 --> 05:21:12,300
OWN PERSONAL BENEFIT.

9915
05:21:12,300 --> 05:21:13,500
THEY PUT COUNTRY FIRST.

9916
05:21:13,500 --> 05:21:16,066
THEY MADE THE SAME SOLEMN

9917
05:21:16,066 --> 05:21:17,000
PROMISE THAT MEMBERS OF

9918
05:21:17,000 --> 05:21:17,800
CONGRESS AND THE PRESIDENT OF

9919
05:21:17,800 --> 05:21:20,433
THE UNITED STATES MAKE, TO

9920
05:21:20,433 --> 05:21:22,400
ALWAYS PUT NATIONAL INTERESTS

9921
05:21:22,400 --> 05:21:26,766
ABOVE THEIR OWN PERSONAL

9922
05:21:26,766 --> 05:21:27,133
INTERESTS.

9923
05:21:27,133 --> 05:21:28,666
IT IS EVIDENCE SHOWS THE

9924
05:21:28,666 --> 05:21:30,200
PRESIDENT BROKE THAT PROMISE.

9925
05:21:30,200 --> 05:21:32,933
STUEG GIVES THE PRESIDENT

9926
05:21:32,933 --> 05:21:33,400
ENORMOUS POWER.

9927
05:21:33,400 --> 05:21:35,800
IT ALSO IMPOSES A REMEDY,

9928
05:21:35,800 --> 05:21:37,966
IMPEACHMENT, WHEN THOSE POWERS

9929
05:21:37,966 --> 05:21:38,533
ARE ABUSED.

9930
05:21:38,533 --> 05:21:39,833
IN JULY, PRESIDENT TRUMP SAYS,

9931
05:21:39,833 --> 05:21:43,133
AND I QUOTE, I HAVE AN ARTICLE

9932
05:21:43,133 --> 05:21:45,866
2, THE RIGHT TO DO WHATEVER I

9933
05:21:45,866 --> 05:21:50,000
WANT AS PRESIDENT,".

9934
05:21:50,000 --> 05:21:51,900
>> PROFESSIONALS FELDMAN THE

9935
05:21:51,900 --> 05:21:53,566
PRESIDENT HAS BROAD POWER,

9936
05:21:53,566 --> 05:21:53,866
RIGHT?

9937
05:21:53,866 --> 05:21:54,966
>> YES, SIR.

9938
05:21:54,966 --> 05:21:56,800
>> DO THOSE POWERS MEAN THAT

9939
05:21:56,800 --> 05:21:59,133
THE PRESIDENT CAN DO AS HE

9940
05:21:59,133 --> 05:22:01,833
SAID, WHATEVER HE WANTS AS

9941
05:22:01,833 --> 05:22:02,200
PRESIDENT?

9942
05:22:02,200 --> 05:22:03,466
CAN HE ABUSE THE POWERS THAT

9943
05:22:03,466 --> 05:22:04,500
THE CONSTITUTION GIVES HIM?

9944
05:22:04,500 --> 05:22:06,666
>> HE MAY NOT.

9945
05:22:06,666 --> 05:22:08,500
IF THE PRESIDENT USES POWERS

9946
05:22:08,500 --> 05:22:09,800
FOR PERSONAL GAIN OR CORRUPT

9947
05:22:09,800 --> 05:22:11,333
AN ELECTION OR AGAINST THE

9948
05:22:11,333 --> 05:22:12,466
NATIONAL SECURITY INTERESTS OF

9949
05:22:12,466 --> 05:22:14,133
THE UNITED STATES, HE MAY BE

9950
05:22:14,133 --> 05:22:15,433
IMPEACHED FOR HIGH CRIME AND

9951
05:22:15,433 --> 05:22:15,833
MISDEMEANOR.

9952
05:22:15,833 --> 05:22:17,633
>> IF USING HIS POWER TO

9953
05:22:17,633 --> 05:22:19,166
INTERFERE IN U.S. ELECTIONS AN

9954
05:22:19,166 --> 05:22:21,000
ABUSE OF THAT POWER?

9955
05:22:21,000 --> 05:22:22,333
>> YES, SIR.

9956
05:22:22,333 --> 05:22:23,800
>> PROFESSIONALS GERHARDT HOW

9957
05:22:23,800 --> 05:22:25,766
WOULD THE FRAMERS OF THE

9958
05:22:25,766 --> 05:22:26,466
CONSTITUTION VIEWED THE

9959
05:22:26,466 --> 05:22:28,400
PRESIDENT ASKING FOR ELECTION

9960
05:22:28,400 --> 05:22:29,800
INTERFERENCE OF A FOREIGN

9961
05:22:29,800 --> 05:22:31,433
LEADER?

9962
05:22:31,433 --> 05:22:33,666
>> IT'S ALWAYS PRACTICALLY

9963
05:22:33,666 --> 05:22:34,933
IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW EXACTLY

9964
05:22:34,933 --> 05:22:38,000
WHAT THE FRAMERS WOULD THINK,

9965
05:22:38,000 --> 05:22:39,433
BUT NOT HOW THE CONSTITUTION

9966
05:22:39,433 --> 05:22:40,233
DEALS WITH IT.

9967
05:22:40,233 --> 05:22:42,933
AND UNDER THE CONSTITUTION

9968
05:22:42,933 --> 05:22:46,633
IT'S PLAINLY AN ABUELS OF

9969
05:22:46,633 --> 05:22:47,233
POWER.

9970
05:22:47,233 --> 05:22:49,000
IT'S HORRIFYING ABUSE OF

9971
05:22:49,000 --> 05:22:49,300
POWER.

9972
05:22:49,300 --> 05:22:51,833
>> WE'VE HEARD WITNESSES

9973
05:22:51,833 --> 05:22:53,100
TESTIFY ABOUT CONCERNS WHEN

9974
05:22:53,100 --> 05:22:54,800
THE PRESIDENT USED FOREIGN

9975
05:22:54,800 --> 05:22:57,900
POLICY FSH POLITICAL GAIN.

9976
05:22:57,900 --> 05:22:59,233
LT. COLONEL VINDMAN WAS

9977
05:22:59,233 --> 05:23:02,166
SHOCKED AND COULDN'T BELIEVE

9978
05:23:02,166 --> 05:23:03,900
WHAT HE HEARD ON THE PHONE

9979
05:23:03,900 --> 05:23:04,766
CALL, DIVERGING FROM EFFORTS

9980
05:23:04,766 --> 05:23:07,266
TO PROTECT THE NATIONAL

9981
05:23:07,266 --> 05:23:07,733
SECURITY POLICY.

9982
05:23:07,733 --> 05:23:08,766
AND AMBASSADOR TAYLOR THOUGHT

9983
05:23:08,766 --> 05:23:11,466
IT WAS CRAZY TO WITHHOLD

9984
05:23:11,466 --> 05:23:12,400
SECURITY ASSISTANCE FOR HELP

9985
05:23:12,400 --> 05:23:15,100
ON A POLITICAL CAMPAIGN.

9986
05:23:15,100 --> 05:23:16,666
PROFESSOR KARLAN, THESE

9987
05:23:16,666 --> 05:23:17,833
CONCERNS AREN'T MERE

9988
05:23:17,833 --> 05:23:19,466
DIFFERENCES OVER POLICY, ARE

9989
05:23:19,466 --> 05:23:20,033
THEY?

9990
05:23:20,033 --> 05:23:20,333
>> NO.

9991
05:23:20,333 --> 05:23:23,433
THEY GO TO THE VERY FOUNDATION

9992
05:23:23,433 --> 05:23:24,933
OF OUR DEMOCRACY.

9993
05:23:24,933 --> 05:23:27,433
>> AND OFFERING TO EXCHANGE A

9994
05:23:27,433 --> 05:23:29,733
WHITE HOUSE MEETING AND

9995
05:23:29,733 --> 05:23:31,433
HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF

9996
05:23:31,433 --> 05:23:32,866
DOLLARS IN SECURITY ASSISTANCE

9997
05:23:32,866 --> 05:23:35,066
FOR HELP WITH HIS RE-ELECTION,

9998
05:23:35,066 --> 05:23:37,466
THAT CAN'T BE PART OF OUR

9999
05:23:37,466 --> 05:23:38,933
NATION'S FOREIGN POLICY, CAN

10000
05:23:38,933 --> 05:23:39,200
IT?

10001
05:23:39,200 --> 05:23:39,500
>> NO.

10002
05:23:39,500 --> 05:23:40,966
IT'S THE ESSENCE OF DOING

10003
05:23:40,966 --> 05:23:42,266
SOMETHING FOR PERSONAL REASONS

10004
05:23:42,266 --> 05:23:43,766
RATHER THAN FOR POLITICAL

10005
05:23:43,766 --> 05:23:44,100
REASONS.

10006
05:23:44,100 --> 05:23:46,433
IF I COULD JUST SAY ONE THING

10007
05:23:46,433 --> 05:23:47,966
ABOUT THIS BRIEFLY, MAYBE WHEN

10008
05:23:47,966 --> 05:23:49,966
HE WAS FIRST RUNNING FOR

10009
05:23:49,966 --> 05:23:51,433
PRESIDENT HE HAD NEVER BEEN

10010
05:23:51,433 --> 05:23:56,100
ANYTHING OTHER THAN A REALITY

10011
05:23:56,100 --> 05:23:59,166
TV SHOW -- THAT WAS HIS PUBLIC

10012
05:23:59,166 --> 05:24:01,800
LIFE -- MAYBE HE COULD SAY

10013
05:24:01,800 --> 05:24:04,400
RUSSIA IF YOU'RE LISTENING

10014
05:24:04,400 --> 05:24:04,766
IT'S OKAY.

10015
05:24:04,766 --> 05:24:07,133
BUT BY THE TIME HE SAID

10016
05:24:07,133 --> 05:24:08,600
UKRAINE HELP ME WITH THE

10017
05:24:08,600 --> 05:24:09,700
RE-ELECTION, HE HAD TO KNOW

10018
05:24:09,700 --> 05:24:11,300
THAT WAS NOT CONSISTENT WITH

10019
05:24:11,300 --> 05:24:12,333
OATH OF OFFICE.

10020
05:24:12,333 --> 05:24:14,100
>> ARE FOUNDERS GRANTING THE

10021
05:24:14,100 --> 05:24:16,733
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

10022
05:24:16,733 --> 05:24:17,200
ENORMOUS POWERS.

10023
05:24:17,200 --> 05:24:19,466
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WHAT

10024
05:24:19,466 --> 05:24:22,033
WE'VE BEEN REMINDED OF TODAY,

10025
05:24:22,033 --> 05:24:23,566
THEY WORRIED THE POWERS COULD

10026
05:24:23,566 --> 05:24:25,633
BE ABUSED BY A CORRUPT

10027
05:24:25,633 --> 05:24:26,000
PRESIDENT.

10028
05:24:26,000 --> 05:24:28,366
THE EVIDENCE OF ABUSE OF POWER

10029
05:24:28,366 --> 05:24:30,333
IN THIS INQUIRY PROVED OUR

10030
05:24:30,333 --> 05:24:33,133
FOUNDERS WERE RIGHT TO BE

10031
05:24:33,133 --> 05:24:33,533
WORRIED.

10032
05:24:33,533 --> 05:24:33,900
YES, YES.

10033
05:24:33,900 --> 05:24:35,800
THE PRESIDENT HAS THE POWER TO

10034
05:24:35,800 --> 05:24:37,800
DIRECT AMERICA'S FOREIGN

10035
05:24:37,800 --> 05:24:38,133
POLICY.

10036
05:24:38,133 --> 05:24:39,966
BUT NO, HE CANNOT USE THAT

10037
05:24:39,966 --> 05:24:43,433
POWER TO CHEAT IN OUR

10038
05:24:43,433 --> 05:24:44,366
ELECTIONS.

10039
05:24:44,366 --> 05:24:46,400
REMEMBER, I ASK ALL OF MY

10040
05:24:46,400 --> 05:24:47,800
COLLEAGUES TO REMEMBER, THE

10041
05:24:47,800 --> 05:24:49,200
CONSTITUTION GRANTS THE

10042
05:24:49,200 --> 05:24:51,433
PRESIDENT HIS POWER THROUGH

10043
05:24:51,433 --> 05:24:53,966
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

10044
05:24:53,966 --> 05:24:55,333
THE PRESIDENT'S SOURCE OF

10045
05:24:55,333 --> 05:24:57,666
POWER IS A DEMOCRATIC

10046
05:24:57,666 --> 05:24:58,033
ELECTION.

10047
05:24:58,033 --> 05:25:02,233
IT IS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, THE

10048
05:25:02,233 --> 05:25:04,900
VOTERS WHO TRUSTED HIM TO LOOK

10049
05:25:04,900 --> 05:25:07,366
OUT FOR THEM.

10050
05:25:07,366 --> 05:25:10,233
LOOKING OUT FOR THE COUNTRY.

10051
05:25:10,233 --> 05:25:11,700
BUT INSTEAD, PRESIDENT TRUMP

10052
05:25:11,700 --> 05:25:14,600
LOOKED OUT FOR HIMSELF, AND

10053
05:25:14,600 --> 05:25:17,300
HELPING HIMSELF TO GET

10054
05:25:17,300 --> 05:25:17,700
RE-ELECTED.

10055
05:25:17,700 --> 05:25:20,933
HE ABUSED THE POWER THAT WE

10056
05:25:20,933 --> 05:25:23,433
TRUSTED HIM WITH FOR PERSONAL

10057
05:25:23,433 --> 05:25:25,566
AND POLITICAL GAIN.

10058
05:25:25,566 --> 05:25:27,100
THE FOUNDERS WORRIED ABOUT

10059
05:25:27,100 --> 05:25:29,500
JUST THIS TYPE OF ABUSE OF

10060
05:25:29,500 --> 05:25:34,233
POWER, AND THEY PROVIDEED ONE

10061
05:25:34,233 --> 05:25:34,766
WAY.

10062
05:25:34,766 --> 05:25:36,333
ONE WAY FOR CONGRESS TO

10063
05:25:36,333 --> 05:25:37,966
RESPOND, AND THAT'S THE POWER

10064
05:25:37,966 --> 05:25:38,566
OF IMPEACHMENT.

10065
05:25:38,566 --> 05:25:39,433
I YIELD BACK.

10066
05:25:39,433 --> 05:25:42,233
>> GENTLEMAN YIELDS BALK.

10067
05:25:42,233 --> 05:25:42,600
MR. BUCK.

10068
05:25:42,600 --> 05:25:44,433
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

10069
05:25:44,433 --> 05:25:45,166
PROFESSIONALS TURLEY, I WANT

10070
05:25:45,166 --> 05:25:48,833
TO ASK A QUESTION TO YOU.

10071
05:25:48,833 --> 05:25:52,633
THE OTHER THREE WITNESSES HAVE

10072
05:25:52,633 --> 05:25:53,800
IDENTIFIED STANDARD FOR

10073
05:25:53,800 --> 05:25:54,433
IMPEACHING A PRESIDENT.

10074
05:25:54,433 --> 05:25:56,800
THEY HAVE SAID THAT IF A

10075
05:25:56,800 --> 05:25:59,433
PRESIDENT ABUSES HAD POWER FOR

10076
05:25:59,433 --> 05:26:02,666
PERSONAL OR POLITICAL GAIN,

10077
05:26:02,666 --> 05:26:03,333
IT'S IMPEACHABLE CONDUCT.

10078
05:26:03,333 --> 05:26:05,166
DO YOU AGREE WITH ME?

10079
05:26:05,166 --> 05:26:07,633
>> NOT THE SAY IT'S STATED.

10080
05:26:07,633 --> 05:26:09,666
>> I'VE GOT A LONG WAYS TO GO

10081
05:26:09,666 --> 05:26:10,233
HERE?

10082
05:26:10,233 --> 05:26:13,066
>> THERE'S NO MANY STANDARDS.

10083
05:26:13,066 --> 05:26:15,100
ONE WAS ATTEMPTING TO ABUSE

10084
05:26:15,100 --> 05:26:15,500
OFFICE.

10085
05:26:15,500 --> 05:26:16,600
I'M NOT SURE HOW TO RECOGNIZE

10086
05:26:16,600 --> 05:26:17,500
THAT OR DEFINE IT.

10087
05:26:17,500 --> 05:26:19,433
>> LET ME GO WITH A FEW

10088
05:26:19,433 --> 05:26:22,100
EXAMPLES AND SEE IF YOU AGREE.

10089
05:26:22,100 --> 05:26:23,666
LYNDON JAUNSOG DIRECTED THE

10090
05:26:23,666 --> 05:26:25,366
CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY TO

10091
05:26:25,366 --> 05:26:28,766
PLACE A SPY IN BARRY

10092
05:26:28,766 --> 05:26:29,333
GOLDWATER'S CAMPAIGN.

10093
05:26:29,333 --> 05:26:31,233
THAT SPY GOT ADVANCE COPIES OF

10094
05:26:31,233 --> 05:26:34,200
SPEECHES AND DELIVERED THAT TO

10095
05:26:34,200 --> 05:26:34,766
THE JOHNSON CAMPAIGN.

10096
05:26:34,766 --> 05:26:36,500
WOULD THAT BE IMPEACHABLE

10097
05:26:36,500 --> 05:26:39,466
CONDUCT ACCORDING TO THE OTHER

10098
05:26:39,466 --> 05:26:40,200
PANELISTS?

10099
05:26:40,200 --> 05:26:42,300
>> IT SPEAKS BROADLY, SO I

10100
05:26:42,300 --> 05:26:42,666
THINK SO.

10101
05:26:42,666 --> 05:26:45,266
>> HOW ABOUT WHEN PRESIDENT

10102
05:26:45,266 --> 05:26:47,800
JOHNSON PUT A WIRE TAP ON

10103
05:26:47,800 --> 05:26:49,433
GOLDWATER'S CAMPAIGN PLANE?

10104
05:26:49,433 --> 05:26:51,433
WOULD THAT BE FOR POLITICAL

10105
05:26:51,433 --> 05:26:52,100
BENEFIT?

10106
05:26:52,100 --> 05:26:54,766
>> I CAN'T EXCLUDE ANYTHING

10107
05:26:54,766 --> 05:26:55,433
UNDER THAT ISSUE.

10108
05:26:55,433 --> 05:26:59,566
>> I'LL GO WITH A FEW OTHERS.

10109
05:26:59,566 --> 05:27:01,600
CONGRESSMAN DEUTSCH INFORMED

10110
05:27:01,600 --> 05:27:05,033
US THAT F.D.R. PUT COUNTRY

10111
05:27:05,033 --> 05:27:05,366
FIRST.

10112
05:27:05,366 --> 05:27:06,633
FRANKLIN ROOSEVELT DIRECTED

10113
05:27:06,633 --> 05:27:10,266
THE IRS TO CONDUCT AUDITS ON

10114
05:27:10,266 --> 05:27:11,500
HIS POLITICAL ENEMIES.

10115
05:27:11,500 --> 05:27:15,466
NAMELY, HUEY LONG, WILLIAM

10116
05:27:15,466 --> 05:27:17,866
HEARST.

10117
05:27:17,866 --> 05:27:19,133
HAMILTON PHISH.

10118
05:27:19,133 --> 05:27:19,600
FATHER COUGHLIN.

10119
05:27:19,600 --> 05:27:21,233
WOULD THAT BE ABUSE OF

10120
05:27:21,233 --> 05:27:22,966
POLITICAL POWER ACCORDING TO

10121
05:27:22,966 --> 05:27:23,833
THE OTHER PANELISTS.

10122
05:27:23,833 --> 05:27:25,933
>> I THINK

10123
05:27:25,933 --> 05:27:28,200
>> HOW ABOUT WHEN PRESIDENT

10124
05:27:28,200 --> 05:27:30,133
KENNEDY DIRECTEDS HAD BROTHER

10125
05:27:30,133 --> 05:27:32,766
ROBERT KENNEDY TO DEPORT ONE

10126
05:27:32,766 --> 05:27:35,466
OF HIS MISTRESSES AS AN

10127
05:27:35,466 --> 05:27:36,533
EASTERN GERMAN SPY.

10128
05:27:36,533 --> 05:27:38,333
WOULD THAT QUALIFY AS

10129
05:27:38,333 --> 05:27:38,866
IMPEACHABLE CONDUCT?

10130
05:27:38,866 --> 05:27:39,933
>> I CAN'T EXCLUDE IT.

10131
05:27:39,933 --> 05:27:41,733
>> AND WHEN HE DIRECTED THE

10132
05:27:41,733 --> 05:27:44,433
FBI TO USE WIRE TAPS ON

10133
05:27:44,433 --> 05:27:47,933
CONGRESSIONAL STAFFERS WHO

10134
05:27:47,933 --> 05:27:48,333
EXPOSED HIM?

10135
05:27:48,333 --> 05:27:49,333
WOULD THAT BE IMPEACHABLE

10136
05:27:49,333 --> 05:27:49,666
CONDUCT?

10137
05:27:49,666 --> 05:27:51,966
>> IT SEEMS TO BE FALLING

10138
05:27:51,966 --> 05:27:52,333
WITHIN IT.

10139
05:27:52,333 --> 05:27:55,366
AND LET'S GO TO BARACK OBAMA.

10140
05:27:55,366 --> 05:27:59,733
WHEN BARACK OBAMA DIRECTED --

10141
05:27:59,733 --> 05:28:01,566
OR MADE A FINDING THAT THE

10142
05:28:01,566 --> 05:28:04,433
SENATE WAS IN RECESS AND

10143
05:28:04,433 --> 05:28:06,400
APPOINTED PEOPLE TO THE

10144
05:28:06,400 --> 05:28:07,500
NATIONAL RELATIONS BOARD AND

10145
05:28:07,500 --> 05:28:10,600
LOST 9-0, RUTH BADER GINSBERG

10146
05:28:10,600 --> 05:28:12,533
VOTED AGAINST THE PRESIDENT ON

10147
05:28:12,533 --> 05:28:14,133
THIS ISSUE -- WOULD THAT BE

10148
05:28:14,133 --> 05:28:15,200
ABUSE OF POWER?

10149
05:28:15,200 --> 05:28:17,233
>> YOU'D HAVE TO DIRECT IT TO

10150
05:28:17,233 --> 05:28:17,633
OTHERS.

10151
05:28:17,633 --> 05:28:20,433
I DON'T SEE EXCLUSIONS UNDER

10152
05:28:20,433 --> 05:28:20,933
THEIR DEFINITION.

10153
05:28:20,933 --> 05:28:23,066
>> AND HOW ABOUT WHEN THE

10154
05:28:23,066 --> 05:28:23,866
PRESIDENT DIRECTED HIS

10155
05:28:23,866 --> 05:28:25,700
NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER TO

10156
05:28:25,700 --> 05:28:27,066
LIE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

10157
05:28:27,066 --> 05:28:28,166
ABOUT WHETHER THE AMBASSADOR

10158
05:28:28,166 --> 05:28:29,833
TO LIBYA WAS MURDERED AS A

10159
05:28:29,833 --> 05:28:31,933
RESULT OF A VIDEO OR WAS

10160
05:28:31,933 --> 05:28:35,466
MURDERED AS A RESULT OF A

10161
05:28:35,466 --> 05:28:35,900
TERRORIST ACT?

10162
05:28:35,900 --> 05:28:37,400
WOULD THAT BE ABUSE OF POWER

10163
05:28:37,400 --> 05:28:39,033
17 DAYS BEFORE THE NEXT

10164
05:28:39,033 --> 05:28:39,400
ELECTION?

10165
05:28:39,400 --> 05:28:41,133
>> NOT ACCORDING TO MY

10166
05:28:41,133 --> 05:28:43,100
DEFINITION, BUT THEY HAVE TO

10167
05:28:43,100 --> 05:28:44,433
RESPOND ON THEIR OWN.

10168
05:28:44,433 --> 05:28:47,066
>> YOU'VE HEARD THEIR

10169
05:28:47,066 --> 05:28:47,466
DEFINITION.

10170
05:28:47,466 --> 05:28:49,900
>> I HAVE A HARD TIME

10171
05:28:49,900 --> 05:28:50,433
EXCLUDING ANYTHING.

10172
05:28:50,433 --> 05:28:53,000
>> HOW ABOUT WHEN ABRAHAM

10173
05:28:53,000 --> 05:28:53,900
LINCOLN ARRESTED LEGISLATORS

10174
05:28:53,900 --> 05:28:55,866
IN MARYLAND SO THAT THEY

10175
05:28:55,866 --> 05:29:01,200
WOULDN'T CONVENE TO SECEDE

10176
05:29:01,200 --> 05:29:02,533
FROM THE UNION.

10177
05:29:02,533 --> 05:29:04,466
VIRGINIA SECEDEED, AND IT

10178
05:29:04,466 --> 05:29:05,766
WOULD HAVE PLACED WASHINGTON,

10179
05:29:05,766 --> 05:29:09,400
D.C. IN THE MIDDLE OF THE

10180
05:29:09,400 --> 05:29:09,966
REBEBLION.

10181
05:29:09,966 --> 05:29:12,400
THAT WOULD BE ABUSE OF POWER?

10182
05:29:12,400 --> 05:29:12,866
>> IT COULD BE.

10183
05:29:12,866 --> 05:29:14,533
>> AND YOU MENTIONED GEORGE

10184
05:29:14,533 --> 05:29:17,866
WASHINGTON A LITTLE WHILE AGO

10185
05:29:17,866 --> 05:29:19,500
AS PERHAPS HAVING MET THE

10186
05:29:19,500 --> 05:29:23,500
STANDARD OF IMPEACHMENT TO

10187
05:29:23,500 --> 05:29:24,233
YOUR OTHER PANELISTS.

10188
05:29:24,233 --> 05:29:25,533
>> IN FACT, PROFESSOR TURLEY,

10189
05:29:25,533 --> 05:29:27,500
CAN YOU NAME A SINGLE

10190
05:29:27,500 --> 05:29:29,866
PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF

10191
05:29:29,866 --> 05:29:31,466
THES, SAVE PRESIDENT HARRISON

10192
05:29:31,466 --> 05:29:34,800
WHO DIED 32 DAYS AFTER

10193
05:29:34,800 --> 05:29:35,466
INAUGURATION THAT WOULDN'T

10194
05:29:35,466 --> 05:29:37,133
HAVE MET THE IMPEACHMENT

10195
05:29:37,133 --> 05:29:38,300
STANDARD BY THE FRIEND HERE.

10196
05:29:38,300 --> 05:29:41,533
>> I HOPE TO GOD JAMES MADISON

10197
05:29:41,533 --> 05:29:43,466
WOULD HAVE ESCAPED, OTHERWISE

10198
05:29:43,466 --> 05:29:46,666
A LIFETIME OF ACADEMIC WORK

10199
05:29:46,666 --> 05:29:47,233
WOULD BE SHREDDED.

10200
05:29:47,233 --> 05:29:49,666
BUT ONCE AGAIN I CAN'T EXCLUDE

10201
05:29:49,666 --> 05:29:51,000
MANY OF THESE ACTS.

10202
05:29:51,000 --> 05:29:53,533
>> IT'S OBJECT WHAT AND IRE

10203
05:29:53,533 --> 05:29:53,900
AFRAID OF.

10204
05:29:53,900 --> 05:29:55,200
IT'S THE STANDARD THAT YOUR

10205
05:29:55,200 --> 05:29:57,100
FRIENDS TO THE RIGHT OF YOU,

10206
05:29:57,100 --> 05:29:58,633
AND NOT POLITICALLY, BUT TO

10207
05:29:58,633 --> 05:30:02,233
THE RIGHT OF YOU -- THAT YOUR

10208
05:30:02,233 --> 05:30:03,433
FRIENDS HAVE DECIDED THAT THE

10209
05:30:03,433 --> 05:30:05,833
BAR IS SO LOW THAT WHEN WE

10210
05:30:05,833 --> 05:30:07,500
HAVE A DEMOCRAT PRESIDENT IN

10211
05:30:07,500 --> 05:30:09,000
OFFICE, AND A REPUBLICAN

10212
05:30:09,000 --> 05:30:10,333
HOUSE, AND A REPUBLICAN

10213
05:30:10,333 --> 05:30:11,433
SENATE, WE'RE GOING TO BE

10214
05:30:11,433 --> 05:30:13,800
GOING THROUGH THIS WHOLE

10215
05:30:13,800 --> 05:30:16,233
SCENARIO AGAIN IN A WAY THAT

10216
05:30:16,233 --> 05:30:20,066
REALLY PUTS THE COUNTRY AT

10217
05:30:20,066 --> 05:30:20,400
RISK.

10218
05:30:20,400 --> 05:30:23,200
>> WHEN YOUR GRAPHIC SAYS THAT

10219
05:30:23,200 --> 05:30:25,666
IT'S A BETRAYAL OF NATIONAL

10220
05:30:25,666 --> 05:30:27,833
INTERESTS, I WOULD SIMPLY ASK,

10221
05:30:27,833 --> 05:30:30,333
DO YOU REALLY WANT THAT TO BE

10222
05:30:30,333 --> 05:30:30,766
YOUR STANDARD.

10223
05:30:30,766 --> 05:30:31,866
>> ISN'T THE DIFFERENCE,

10224
05:30:31,866 --> 05:30:32,733
PROFESSOR TURLEY THAT SOME

10225
05:30:32,733 --> 05:30:34,500
PEOPLE LIVE IN AN IVORY TOWER,

10226
05:30:34,500 --> 05:30:37,266
AND SOME PEOPLE LIVE IN A

10227
05:30:37,266 --> 05:30:37,566
SWAMP.

10228
05:30:37,566 --> 05:30:38,900
THOSE IN THE SWAMP ARE DOING

10229
05:30:38,900 --> 05:30:41,400
OUR BEST FOR THE AMERICAN PEEP

10230
05:30:41,400 --> 05:30:41,733
PEOPLE.

10231
05:30:41,733 --> 05:30:45,466
>> I LIVE IN AN IVORY POWER IN

10232
05:30:45,466 --> 05:30:47,633
A SWAMP, AND IT'S NOT SO BAD.

10233
05:30:47,633 --> 05:30:49,000
>> I FIELD BACK.

10234
05:30:49,000 --> 05:30:51,400
>> GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK.

10235
05:30:51,400 --> 05:30:52,900
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND I

10236
05:30:52,900 --> 05:30:54,533
WANT TO THANK THE WITNESSES.

10237
05:30:54,533 --> 05:30:56,200
I DON'T BELIEVE THE PEOPLE'S

10238
05:30:56,200 --> 05:30:57,800
HOUSE IS A SWAMP.

10239
05:30:57,800 --> 05:30:59,433
>> PRESIDENT NIXON WAS

10240
05:30:59,433 --> 05:31:01,366
IMPEACHED FOR ABUSE OF POWER

10241
05:31:01,366 --> 05:31:03,300
BECAUSE HIS CONDUCT WAS

10242
05:31:03,300 --> 05:31:04,833
UNDERTAKEN FOR HAD PERSONAL

10243
05:31:04,833 --> 05:31:07,466
POLITICAL ADVANTAGE AND NOT IN

10244
05:31:07,466 --> 05:31:10,966
FURTHERANCE OF NATIONAL POLICY

10245
05:31:10,966 --> 05:31:11,433
OBJECTIVE.

10246
05:31:11,433 --> 05:31:12,733
PROFESSIONALS GERHARDT, WHY

10247
05:31:12,733 --> 05:31:14,500
WAS IT SIGNIFICANT THAT

10248
05:31:14,500 --> 05:31:15,966
PRESIDENT NIXON ACTED FOR

10249
05:31:15,966 --> 05:31:16,666
PERSONAL POLITICAL ADVANTAGE

10250
05:31:16,666 --> 05:31:19,433
AND NOT IN FURTHERANCE OF

10251
05:31:19,433 --> 05:31:21,066
NATIONAL POLICY OBJECTIVE?

10252
05:31:21,066 --> 05:31:23,800
>> IT'S PRIMARILY SIGNIFICANT

10253
05:31:23,800 --> 05:31:26,166
BECAUSE IN ACTING FOR HIS OWN

10254
05:31:26,166 --> 05:31:27,433
PERSONAL BENEFIT, AND NOT FOR

10255
05:31:27,433 --> 05:31:30,333
THE BENEFIT OF THE COUNTRY, HE

10256
05:31:30,333 --> 05:31:30,833
CROSSED THE LINE.

10257
05:31:30,833 --> 05:31:33,400
THE LINE HERE IS VERY CLEAR.

10258
05:31:33,400 --> 05:31:35,433
IT BECOMES ABUSE OF POWER WHEN

10259
05:31:35,433 --> 05:31:36,866
SOMEBODY IS USING SPECIAL

10260
05:31:36,866 --> 05:31:38,200
AUTHORITIES OF THEIR OFFICE

10261
05:31:38,200 --> 05:31:40,166
FOR THEIR OWN PERSONAL

10262
05:31:40,166 --> 05:31:42,033
BENEFIT, NOT THE BENEFIT OF

10263
05:31:42,033 --> 05:31:42,433
THE COUNTRY.

10264
05:31:42,433 --> 05:31:44,433
>> CAN THE SAME BE SAID OF

10265
05:31:44,433 --> 05:31:44,900
PRESIDENT TRUMP?

10266
05:31:44,900 --> 05:31:46,600
>> IT COULD BE, YES.

10267
05:31:46,600 --> 05:31:47,066
>> THANK YOU.

10268
05:31:47,066 --> 05:31:48,833
I'M STRUCK BY THE PARALLELS.

10269
05:31:48,833 --> 05:31:50,900
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT NIXON

10270
05:31:50,900 --> 05:31:53,100
DID WAS HE LAUNCHED TAX

10271
05:31:53,100 --> 05:31:55,100
INVESTIGATIONS OF HIS

10272
05:31:55,100 --> 05:31:55,633
POLITICAL OPPONENTS.

10273
05:31:55,633 --> 05:31:57,300
HERE THE EVIDENCE SHOWS TRUMP

10274
05:31:57,300 --> 05:31:59,033
TRIED TO LAUNCH A CRIMINAL

10275
05:31:59,033 --> 05:32:00,433
INVESTIGATION OF HIS POLITICAL

10276
05:32:00,433 --> 05:32:02,300
OPPONENT BY A FOREIGN

10277
05:32:02,300 --> 05:32:02,700
GOVERNMENT.

10278
05:32:02,700 --> 05:32:04,833
WE HAVE HEARD EVIDENCE

10279
05:32:04,833 --> 05:32:05,700
SUGGESTING PRESIDENT TRUMP DID

10280
05:32:05,700 --> 05:32:08,766
THIS FOR HIS OWN PERSONAL

10281
05:32:08,766 --> 05:32:11,866
GAIN, AND OPERATING NATIONAL

10282
05:32:11,866 --> 05:32:13,233
POLICY INTERESTS.

10283
05:32:13,233 --> 05:32:15,033
PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID HE

10284
05:32:15,033 --> 05:32:16,700
WITHHELD THE AID BECAUSE OF

10285
05:32:16,700 --> 05:32:17,100
CORRUPTION.

10286
05:32:17,100 --> 05:32:18,933
I DO BELIEVE WE HAVE EXAMPLES

10287
05:32:18,933 --> 05:32:20,966
OF THE EVIDENCE OF THE TRUTH.

10288
05:32:20,966 --> 05:32:22,000
>> AMBASSADOR SONLD LAND

10289
05:32:22,000 --> 05:32:23,433
STATED THAT THE PRESIDENT ONLY

10290
05:32:23,433 --> 05:32:25,533
CARES ABOUT BIG STUFF.

10291
05:32:25,533 --> 05:32:27,433
I NOTICED BIG STUFF GOING ON

10292
05:32:27,433 --> 05:32:30,533
IN UKRAINE LIKE A WAR WITH

10293
05:32:30,533 --> 05:32:31,033
RUSSIA.

10294
05:32:31,033 --> 05:32:32,966
AMBASSADOR SONDLAND REPLIED HE

10295
05:32:32,966 --> 05:32:35,166
MEANT BIG STUFF TO BENEFIT THE

10296
05:32:35,166 --> 05:32:36,700
PRESIDENT LIKE THE BIDEN

10297
05:32:36,700 --> 05:32:39,433
INVESTIGATION THAT GIULIANI

10298
05:32:39,433 --> 05:32:40,033
WAS PUSHING.

10299
05:32:40,033 --> 05:32:41,500
>> PROFESSOR FELDMAN, WHAT

10300
05:32:41,500 --> 05:32:43,266
WOULD THE FRAMERS HAVE THOUGHT

10301
05:32:43,266 --> 05:32:47,833
OF A PRESIDENT WHO ONLY CARES

10302
05:32:47,833 --> 05:32:50,866
ABOUT "BIG STUFF THAT BENEFITS

10303
05:32:50,866 --> 05:32:51,166
HIM."

10304
05:32:51,166 --> 05:32:52,700
THE FRAMERS WERE EXTREMELY

10305
05:32:52,700 --> 05:32:54,033
WORRIED BR A PRESIDENT WHO

10306
05:32:54,033 --> 05:32:55,333
ONLY SERVED HIS OWN INTEREST

10307
05:32:55,333 --> 05:32:57,300
OR THE INTEREST OF FOREIGN

10308
05:32:57,300 --> 05:32:57,600
POWER.

10309
05:32:57,600 --> 05:32:58,866
THAT WAS A SERIOUS CONCERN

10310
05:32:58,866 --> 05:33:01,466
WHEN THEY DESIGNED THE REMEDY

10311
05:33:01,466 --> 05:33:01,933
OF IMPEACHMENT.

10312
05:33:01,933 --> 05:33:03,466
THE EVIDENCE ALSO SUGGEST THAD

10313
05:33:03,466 --> 05:33:07,466
PRESIDENT TRUMP DIDN'T CARE IF

10314
05:33:07,466 --> 05:33:09,033
THE INVESTIGATION HAPPENED.

10315
05:33:09,033 --> 05:33:11,133
WHEN WHAT HE CARED ABOUT WAS

10316
05:33:11,133 --> 05:33:12,733
THE PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE

10317
05:33:12,733 --> 05:33:13,433
INVESTIGATION.

10318
05:33:13,433 --> 05:33:15,900
PROFESSOR KARLAN, HOW WOULD WE

10319
05:33:15,900 --> 05:33:17,166
ANALYZE THESE FACTS IN THE

10320
05:33:17,166 --> 05:33:19,133
CONTEXT OF ABUSE OF POWER?

10321
05:33:19,133 --> 05:33:21,533
>> I THINK TO HAVE A PRESIDENT

10322
05:33:21,533 --> 05:33:24,433
ASK FOR THE INVESTIGATION OF

10323
05:33:24,433 --> 05:33:26,566
HIS POLITICAL OPPONENTS IS AN

10324
05:33:26,566 --> 05:33:29,100
ART TYPE OF THE ABUSE OF

10325
05:33:29,100 --> 05:33:29,433
POWER.

10326
05:33:29,433 --> 05:33:31,433
MR. BUCK MENTIONED PAST

10327
05:33:31,433 --> 05:33:32,700
EXAMPLES OF THIS.

10328
05:33:32,700 --> 05:33:35,166
AND TO SAY THAT THOSE WEREN'T

10329
05:33:35,166 --> 05:33:37,833
IMPEACHABLE IS A BIG MISTAKE.

10330
05:33:37,833 --> 05:33:41,266
IF A PRESIDENT WIRE TAPS

10331
05:33:41,266 --> 05:33:42,466
OPPONENTS, THAT'S A FEDERAL

10332
05:33:42,466 --> 05:33:42,833
CRIME NOW.

10333
05:33:42,833 --> 05:33:45,233
I DON'T KNOW IF 1968 IT WAS.

10334
05:33:45,233 --> 05:33:47,266
IF THE PRESIDENT WIRE TAPPED

10335
05:33:47,266 --> 05:33:49,833
OPPONENTS TODAY, THAT WOULD BE

10336
05:33:49,833 --> 05:33:50,366
IMPEACHABLE CONDUCT.

10337
05:33:50,366 --> 05:33:52,133
>> I ALSO SERVE ON THE FOREIGN

10338
05:33:52,133 --> 05:33:53,833
AFFAIRS COMMITTEE, AND

10339
05:33:53,833 --> 05:33:54,566
SIUNDERSTAND HOW SIGNIFICANT

10340
05:33:54,566 --> 05:33:56,433
IT IS TO FOREIGN LEADERS TO

10341
05:33:56,433 --> 05:33:58,033
MEET WITH OUR PRESIDENT, TO

10342
05:33:58,033 --> 05:34:00,566
ATTEND A MEETING IN THE OVAL

10343
05:34:00,566 --> 05:34:01,866
OFFICE.

10344
05:34:01,866 --> 05:34:02,866
IT'S VERY SIGNIFICANT.

10345
05:34:02,866 --> 05:34:04,600
PRESIDENT ZELENSKY IS A NEWLY

10346
05:34:04,600 --> 05:34:08,233
ELECTED HEAD OF STATE IN A

10347
05:34:08,233 --> 05:34:08,766
FLEDGLING DEMOCRACY.

10348
05:34:08,766 --> 05:34:11,866
HIS COUNTRY IS AT WAR WITH ITS

10349
05:34:11,866 --> 05:34:12,500
NEIGHBOR.

10350
05:34:12,500 --> 05:34:13,833
RUSSIA INVADED AND IT

10351
05:34:13,833 --> 05:34:15,033
OCCUPYING HIS COUNTRY'S

10352
05:34:15,033 --> 05:34:15,400
TERRITORY.

10353
05:34:15,400 --> 05:34:16,933
HE NEEDED THE MILITARY

10354
05:34:16,933 --> 05:34:18,766
RESOURCES TO DEFEND HIS

10355
05:34:18,766 --> 05:34:19,466
COUNTRY.

10356
05:34:19,466 --> 05:34:20,066
HE NEEDED DIPLOMATIC

10357
05:34:20,066 --> 05:34:21,933
RECOGNITION OF THE AMERICAN

10358
05:34:21,933 --> 05:34:23,033
PRESIDENT, AND HE WAS PREPARED

10359
05:34:23,033 --> 05:34:27,033
TO DO WHATEVER THE PRESIDENT

10360
05:34:27,033 --> 05:34:27,400
DEMANDED.

10361
05:34:27,400 --> 05:34:29,866
MANY YEARS AGO I WORKED IN THE

10362
05:34:29,866 --> 05:34:34,000
NATION'S LARGE TRAUMA UNIT AS

10363
05:34:34,000 --> 05:34:34,600
A PHYSICIANS ASSISTANT.

10364
05:34:34,600 --> 05:34:37,366
I SAW PEOPLE IN SEVERE PAIN

10365
05:34:37,366 --> 05:34:39,433
AFTER ACTS OF VIOLENCE.

10366
05:34:39,433 --> 05:34:41,300
PATIENTS WERE AFRAID, AND HAD

10367
05:34:41,300 --> 05:34:43,933
TO WAIT 5 TO 8 HOURS TO BE

10368
05:34:43,933 --> 05:34:44,233
SEEN.

10369
05:34:44,233 --> 05:34:45,666
CAN YOU IMAGINE FOR ONE MINUTE

10370
05:34:45,666 --> 05:34:48,166
IF I HAD TOLD MY PATIENTS, I

10371
05:34:48,166 --> 05:34:50,100
CAN MOVE YOU UP IN LINE AND

10372
05:34:50,100 --> 05:34:52,066
TAKE CARE OF YOUR PAIN, BUT I

10373
05:34:52,066 --> 05:34:53,633
NEED A FAVOR FROM YOU.

10374
05:34:53,633 --> 05:34:57,733
MY PATIENTS WERE IN PAIN AND

10375
05:34:57,733 --> 05:34:58,733
NEED WERE DESPERATE AND WOULD

10376
05:34:58,733 --> 05:35:00,500
HAVE AGREED TO ANYTHING I

10377
05:35:00,500 --> 05:35:00,800
ASKED.

10378
05:35:00,800 --> 05:35:02,066
THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN AN ABUSE

10379
05:35:02,066 --> 05:35:04,800
OF MY POSITION BECAUSE OF THE

10380
05:35:04,800 --> 05:35:05,233
POWER DYNAMIC.

10381
05:35:05,233 --> 05:35:08,666
I HAD THE POWER TO RELIEVE MY

10382
05:35:08,666 --> 05:35:10,200
PATIENTS FROM EXPERIENCING

10383
05:35:10,200 --> 05:35:10,500
PAIN.

10384
05:35:10,500 --> 05:35:12,566
IT'S WRONG, AND IN MANY CASES

10385
05:35:12,566 --> 05:35:14,166
ILLEGAL FOR US TO USE POWER TO

10386
05:35:14,166 --> 05:35:16,166
TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE IN

10387
05:35:16,166 --> 05:35:17,866
CRISIS, ESPECIALLY A

10388
05:35:17,866 --> 05:35:18,566
PRESIDENT,SPECIALLY WHEN

10389
05:35:18,566 --> 05:35:20,333
LIVES ARE AT STAKE.

10390
05:35:20,333 --> 05:35:21,800
I YIELD BACK.

10391
05:35:21,800 --> 05:35:27,933
>> THE GENTLELADY YIELDS BACK.

10392
05:35:27,933 --> 05:35:28,633
MR. RADCLIFFE?

10393
05:35:28,633 --> 05:35:29,866
>> THANK YOU, PROFESSOR

10394
05:35:29,866 --> 05:35:31,266
TURLEY, YOU SAID SOMETHING

10395
05:35:31,266 --> 05:35:33,566
THEY THINK BEARS REPEATING.

10396
05:35:33,566 --> 05:35:35,433
YOU SAID I'M NOT A SUPPORTER

10397
05:35:35,433 --> 05:35:36,300
OF PRESIDENT TRUMP.

10398
05:35:36,300 --> 05:35:38,500
I VOTED AGAINST HIM IN 2016,

10399
05:35:38,500 --> 05:35:40,966
AND I HAVE PREVIOUSLY VOTED

10400
05:35:40,966 --> 05:35:45,133
FOR PRESIDENTS CLINTON AND

10401
05:35:45,133 --> 05:35:46,266
OBAMA.

10402
05:35:46,266 --> 05:35:47,833
>> DESPITE POLITICAL

10403
05:35:47,833 --> 05:35:50,100
PERSUASIONS YOU REACHED THIS

10404
05:35:50,100 --> 05:35:50,500
CONCLUSION.

10405
05:35:50,500 --> 05:35:51,800
THE CURRENT LEGAL CASE FOR

10406
05:35:51,800 --> 05:35:54,300
IMPEACHMENT IS NOT JUST

10407
05:35:54,300 --> 05:35:57,666
WOEFULLY INADEQUATE, BUT IN

10408
05:35:57,666 --> 05:35:59,066
SOME RESPECTS DANGEROUS.

10409
05:35:59,066 --> 05:36:00,666
THE BASIS ARE IF IMPEACHMENT

10410
05:36:00,666 --> 05:36:01,966
OF AN AMERICAN PRESIDENT.

10411
05:36:01,966 --> 05:36:04,400
LET ME START BY COMMENDING YOU

10412
05:36:04,400 --> 05:36:06,833
FOR BEING THE KIND OF EXAMPLE

10413
05:36:06,833 --> 05:36:08,400
OF WHAT HOPEFULLY EVERYONE ON

10414
05:36:08,400 --> 05:36:10,400
THIS COMMITTEE WILL DO AS WE

10415
05:36:10,400 --> 05:36:12,100
APPROACH THE TASK THAT WE HAVE

10416
05:36:12,100 --> 05:36:13,200
OF DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT

10417
05:36:13,200 --> 05:36:15,266
THERE WERE IMPEACHABLE

10418
05:36:15,266 --> 05:36:15,700
OFFENSES HERE.

10419
05:36:15,700 --> 05:36:18,966
ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT

10420
05:36:18,966 --> 05:36:21,100
YOU'VE ARTICULATED AS LEAVING

10421
05:36:21,100 --> 05:36:23,266
YOU TO THE CONCLUSION OF

10422
05:36:23,266 --> 05:36:28,500
CALLING THIS THE SHOULD BE THE

10423
05:36:28,500 --> 05:36:29,866
THINNEST RECORD AND NARROWEST

10424
05:36:29,866 --> 05:36:32,600
GROUNDS EVER ATTEMPTED TO

10425
05:36:32,600 --> 05:36:33,666
IMPEACH A PRESIDENT IS THE

10426
05:36:33,666 --> 05:36:35,466
IMPACT THERE'S AN EVER

10427
05:36:35,466 --> 05:36:38,333
CHANGING CONSTANTLY EVOLVING

10428
05:36:38,333 --> 05:36:40,933
MOVING TARTIONET OF

10429
05:36:40,933 --> 05:36:41,766
ACCUSATIONS, IF YOU WILL.

10430
05:36:41,766 --> 05:36:44,400
THE JULY 25th PHONE CALL

10431
05:36:44,400 --> 05:36:46,166
STARTED OUT AS AN ALLEGED QUID

10432
05:36:46,166 --> 05:36:49,700
QUO PRO, AND BRIEFLY BECAME AN

10433
05:36:49,700 --> 05:36:52,300
EXTORTION SCHEME, A BRIBERY

10434
05:36:52,300 --> 05:36:55,066
SCHEME, I THINK BACK TO QUID

10435
05:36:55,066 --> 05:36:55,400
QUO PRO.

10436
05:36:55,400 --> 05:36:57,166
NOW BESIDES POINTING OUT THAT

10437
05:36:57,166 --> 05:36:59,466
BOTH SPEAKER PELOSI AND

10438
05:36:59,466 --> 05:37:02,000
CHAIRMAN SCHIFF WAITED UNTIL

10439
05:37:02,000 --> 05:37:03,866
ALMOST EVERY WITNESS HAD BEEN

10440
05:37:03,866 --> 05:37:06,600
DEPOSED BEFORE THEY USED THE

10441
05:37:06,600 --> 05:37:07,500
TERM BRIBERY.

10442
05:37:07,500 --> 05:37:08,666
YOU CLEARLY ARTICULATED WHY

10443
05:37:08,666 --> 05:37:10,900
YOU THINK THE DEFINITIONS THEY

10444
05:37:10,900 --> 05:37:15,466
USED PUBLICLY ARE FLAWED, IF

10445
05:37:15,466 --> 05:37:17,266
NOT UNCONSTITUTIONAL IN THE

10446
05:37:17,266 --> 05:37:21,400
18th OR THE 21st CENTURY.

10447
05:37:21,400 --> 05:37:23,366
BUT WOULDUL AGREE WITH ME THAT

10448
05:37:23,366 --> 05:37:25,366
BRIBERY UNDER ANY VALID

10449
05:37:25,366 --> 05:37:26,433
DEFINITION REQUIRES A SPECIFIC

10450
05:37:26,433 --> 05:37:28,866
QUID QUO PRO BE PROVEN?

10451
05:37:28,866 --> 05:37:30,100
>> MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE

10452
05:37:30,100 --> 05:37:32,400
SUPREME COURT HAS FOCUSED ON

10453
05:37:32,400 --> 05:37:35,000
THAT ISSUE, AS WELL AS THE

10454
05:37:35,000 --> 05:37:37,700
DEFINITION OF A QUID QUO PRO.

10455
05:37:37,700 --> 05:37:39,466
IF MILITARY AID OR ASSISTANCE

10456
05:37:39,466 --> 05:37:40,700
IS PART OF THAT QUID QUO PRO

10457
05:37:40,700 --> 05:37:43,333
WHERE IN THE JULY 25th

10458
05:37:43,333 --> 05:37:44,233
TRANSCRIPT DOES PRESIDENT

10459
05:37:44,233 --> 05:37:45,733
TRUMP EVER SUGGEST THAT HE

10460
05:37:45,733 --> 05:37:47,466
INTENDS TO WITHHOLD MILITARY

10461
05:37:47,466 --> 05:37:50,633
AID FOR ANY REASON?

10462
05:37:50,633 --> 05:37:51,433
>> HE DOESN'T.

10463
05:37:51,433 --> 05:37:53,200
THAT'S THE REASON WE KEEP

10464
05:37:53,200 --> 05:37:59,366
HEARING THE WORD CIRC STASHLT

10465
05:37:59,366 --> 05:37:59,833
AND INFERENTIAL.

10466
05:37:59,833 --> 05:38:00,400
THAT'S CONCERNING.

10467
05:38:00,400 --> 05:38:02,000
THOSE ARE APPROPRIATE TERMS.

10468
05:38:02,000 --> 05:38:04,833
IT'S NOT THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE A

10469
05:38:04,833 --> 05:38:05,200
CASE.

10470
05:38:05,200 --> 05:38:06,666
THEY'RE APPROPRIATE TERMS IF

10471
05:38:06,666 --> 05:38:08,100
THEY WERE KNOWABLE FACTS.

10472
05:38:08,100 --> 05:38:10,466
BUT SO MANY WITNESSES HAVE NOT

10473
05:38:10,466 --> 05:38:12,500
BEEN SUBPOENAED OR HEARD FROM.

10474
05:38:12,500 --> 05:38:12,866
>> RIGHT.

10475
05:38:12,866 --> 05:38:14,333
SO IF IT'S NOT IN THE

10476
05:38:14,333 --> 05:38:15,500
TRANSCRIPT, IT HAS TO COME

10477
05:38:15,500 --> 05:38:16,966
FROM WITNESS TESTIMONY, AND I

10478
05:38:16,966 --> 05:38:19,400
ASSUME YOU REVIEWED THE

10479
05:38:19,400 --> 05:38:19,900
WITNESS TESTIMONY.

10480
05:38:19,900 --> 05:38:21,600
SO YOU KNOW THAT NO WITNESS

10481
05:38:21,600 --> 05:38:23,400
TESTIFIED THAT THEY EITHER

10482
05:38:23,400 --> 05:38:25,100
HEARD PRESIDENT TRUMP OR WERE

10483
05:38:25,100 --> 05:38:28,866
TOLD BY PRESIDENT TRUMP TO

10484
05:38:28,866 --> 05:38:29,866
WITHHOLD MILITARY AID,

10485
05:38:29,866 --> 05:38:32,900
CORRECT?

10486
05:38:32,900 --> 05:38:33,300
>> CORRECT.

10487
05:38:33,300 --> 05:38:35,433
SO LET ME TURN TO THE ISSUE OF

10488
05:38:35,433 --> 05:38:36,033
OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE

10489
05:38:36,033 --> 05:38:36,366
QUICKLY.

10490
05:38:36,366 --> 05:38:39,466
I THINK YOU ASSUMED, AS I DID,

10491
05:38:39,466 --> 05:38:41,866
THAT WHEN DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN

10492
05:38:41,866 --> 05:38:43,800
TALKING ABOUT OBSTRUCTION, IT

10493
05:38:43,800 --> 05:38:46,033
WAS SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO

10494
05:38:46,033 --> 05:38:46,566
THE UKRAINE ISSUE.

10495
05:38:46,566 --> 05:38:49,133
I KNOW YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT A

10496
05:38:49,133 --> 05:38:49,500
LOT TODAY.

10497
05:38:49,500 --> 05:38:51,266
YOU CLEARLY STATED YOU THINK

10498
05:38:51,266 --> 05:38:53,200
THE PRESIDENT HAD NO CORRUPT

10499
05:38:53,200 --> 05:38:53,533
INTENT.

10500
05:38:53,533 --> 05:38:55,466
ON PAGE 39 OF YOUR REPORT YOU

10501
05:38:55,466 --> 05:38:56,366
SAID SOMETHING ELSE.

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05:38:56,366 --> 05:38:58,466
I THINK IT BEARS REPEATING

10503
05:38:58,466 --> 05:38:58,766
TODAY.

10504
05:38:58,766 --> 05:38:59,533
YOU WERE HIGHLIGHTING THE FACT

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05:38:59,533 --> 05:39:01,366
THAT THE DEMOCRATS APPEAR TO

10506
05:39:01,366 --> 05:39:04,500
TAKE THE POSITION THAT IF A

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05:39:04,500 --> 05:39:05,900
PRESIDENT SEEKS JUDICIAL

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05:39:05,900 --> 05:39:07,300
REVIEW OVER EXECUTIVE BRANCH

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05:39:07,300 --> 05:39:08,600
TESTIMONY OR DOCUMENTS

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05:39:08,600 --> 05:39:10,166
SUBPOENAED BY CONGRESS, THAT

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05:39:10,166 --> 05:39:12,566
RATHER THAN LET K THE COURTS

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05:39:12,566 --> 05:39:15,233
BE THE ARBITER, CONGRESS

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05:39:15,233 --> 05:39:16,966
CAN SIMPLY IMPEACH THE

10514
05:39:16,966 --> 05:39:17,900
PRESIDENT FOR OBSTRUCTION

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05:39:17,900 --> 05:39:18,500
BASEED ON THAT.

10516
05:39:18,500 --> 05:39:20,900
DID I HEAR YOU SAY THAT IF WE

10517
05:39:20,900 --> 05:39:22,233
WERE TO PROCEED ON THAT BASIS

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05:39:22,233 --> 05:39:23,900
THAT WOULD BE ABUSE OF POWER?

10519
05:39:23,900 --> 05:39:25,066
>> I DID.

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05:39:25,066 --> 05:39:26,833
LET ME BE CLEAR ABOUT THIS.

10521
05:39:26,833 --> 05:39:28,366
I DON'T DISAGREE WITH MY

10522
05:39:28,366 --> 05:39:29,466
COLLEAGUES THAT NOTHING IN THE

10523
05:39:29,466 --> 05:39:30,566
CONSTITUTION SAYS YOU HAVE TO

10524
05:39:30,566 --> 05:39:32,966
GO TO A COURT OR WAIT FOR A

10525
05:39:32,966 --> 05:39:33,433
COURT.

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05:39:33,433 --> 05:39:34,566
THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING.

10527
05:39:34,566 --> 05:39:36,266
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT WHEN

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05:39:36,266 --> 05:39:39,366
YOU WANT A WELL BASED

10529
05:39:39,366 --> 05:39:40,066
LEGITIMATE IMPEACHMENT CASE,

10530
05:39:40,066 --> 05:39:43,333
TO SET THIS ABBREVIATED

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05:39:43,333 --> 05:39:44,633
SCHEDULE, DEMAND DOCUMENTS AND

10532
05:39:44,633 --> 05:39:45,933
THEN IMPEACH BECAUSE THEY

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05:39:45,933 --> 05:39:48,100
HAVEN'T BEEN TURNED OVER WHEN

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05:39:48,100 --> 05:39:50,400
THEY GO TO A COURT -- THE

10535
05:39:50,400 --> 05:39:51,433
PRESIDENT GOES TO COURT -- I

10536
05:39:51,433 --> 05:39:53,666
THINK THAT IS ABUSE OF POWER.

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05:39:53,666 --> 05:39:54,600
THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED IN

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05:39:54,600 --> 05:39:54,933
NIXON.

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05:39:54,933 --> 05:39:57,166
IN FACT, THE ULTIMATE DECISION

10540
05:39:57,166 --> 05:39:59,833
IN NIXON IS THERE ARE

10541
05:39:59,833 --> 05:40:02,433
LEGITIMATE EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE

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05:40:02,433 --> 05:40:03,033
CLAIMS TO BE RAISED.

10543
05:40:03,033 --> 05:40:05,366
SOME OF THEM DEAL WITH THIS

10544
05:40:05,366 --> 05:40:05,833
CASE.

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05:40:05,833 --> 05:40:07,866
LIKE A NATIONAL SECURITY

10546
05:40:07,866 --> 05:40:08,200
ADVISER.

10547
05:40:08,200 --> 05:40:10,166
LIKE A WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL.

10548
05:40:10,166 --> 05:40:11,433
SO THE CONCERN HERE IS NOT

10549
05:40:11,433 --> 05:40:13,133
THAT THERE IS -- THAT YOU

10550
05:40:13,133 --> 05:40:14,500
CAN'T EVER IMPEACH A PRESIDENT

10551
05:40:14,500 --> 05:40:17,533
UNLESS YOU GO TO COURT.

10552
05:40:17,533 --> 05:40:18,666
IT'S JUST THAT YOU SHOULDN'T

10553
05:40:18,666 --> 05:40:20,366
WHEN HAVE TIME TO DO IT.

10554
05:40:20,366 --> 05:40:22,866
>> SO IF I WERE TO SUMMARIZE

10555
05:40:22,866 --> 05:40:26,066
YOUR TESTIMONY, NO BRIBERY,

10556
05:40:26,066 --> 05:40:27,433
EXTORTION, NO ABUSE OF POWER,

10557
05:40:27,433 --> 05:40:28,300
IS THAT FAIR?

10558
05:40:28,300 --> 05:40:29,800
>> NOT ON THIS RECORD.

10559
05:40:29,800 --> 05:40:31,966
>> THE GENTLEMAN'S TIME

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05:40:31,966 --> 05:40:33,266
EXPIRED.

10561
05:40:33,266 --> 05:40:33,900
>> MR. RICHMOND?

10562
05:40:33,900 --> 05:40:35,600
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

10563
05:40:35,600 --> 05:40:38,133
LET ME PICK UP WHERE WE LEFT

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05:40:38,133 --> 05:40:38,400
OFF.

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05:40:38,400 --> 05:40:41,800
I'M GOING TO START, MR. TURLEY

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05:40:41,800 --> 05:40:42,700
WITH YOUR WORDS.

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05:40:42,700 --> 05:40:43,533
YOUR OPINION PIECE ON THE

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05:40:43,533 --> 05:40:44,366
HILL.

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05:40:44,366 --> 05:40:46,366
YOU SAID "AS I HAVE SAID

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05:40:46,366 --> 05:40:47,266
BEFORE, THERE'S NO QUESTION

10571
05:40:47,266 --> 05:40:49,666
THAT THE USE OF PUBLIC OFFICE

10572
05:40:49,666 --> 05:40:51,666
FOR PERSONAL GAIN IS AN

10573
05:40:51,666 --> 05:40:52,766
IMPEACHABLE OCHBLS, INCLUDING

10574
05:40:52,766 --> 05:40:54,433
THE WITHHOLDING OF MILITARY

10575
05:40:54,433 --> 05:40:56,400
AID IN EXCHANGE FOR THE

10576
05:40:56,400 --> 05:40:59,433
INVESTIGATION OF A POLITICAL

10577
05:40:59,433 --> 05:40:59,800
OPPONENT."

10578
05:40:59,800 --> 05:41:02,433
YOU JUST HAVE TO PROVE IT

10579
05:41:02,433 --> 05:41:02,800
HAPPENED.

10580
05:41:02,800 --> 05:41:04,800
IF YOU CAN ESTABLISH INTENT TO

10581
05:41:04,800 --> 05:41:06,433
USE J OFFICE FOR PERSONAL

10582
05:41:06,433 --> 05:41:17,800
GAIN, YOU HAVE A VIABLE

10583
05:41:17,800 --> 05:41:18,366
IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE."

10584
05:41:18,366 --> 05:41:19,433
WE HEARD THE PRESIDENT ABUSES

10585
05:41:19,433 --> 05:41:21,866
POWER WHEN HE USES IT FOR HIS

10586
05:41:21,866 --> 05:41:23,433
OWN INTEREST RATHER THAN THE

10587
05:41:23,433 --> 05:41:23,766
COUNTRY.

10588
05:41:23,766 --> 05:41:26,133
I'D LIKE TO SPEEND MORE TIME

10589
05:41:26,133 --> 05:41:26,466
ON THAT.

10590
05:41:26,466 --> 05:41:29,366
I'M STRUCK BY ONE OF THE

10591
05:41:29,366 --> 05:41:31,333
THINGS AT STAKE HERE.

10592
05:41:31,333 --> 05:41:33,100
$400 MILLION TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

10593
05:41:33,100 --> 05:41:33,900
PRESIDENT NIXON LEVERAGED THE

10594
05:41:33,900 --> 05:41:36,366
POWER OF HIS OFFICE TO

10595
05:41:36,366 --> 05:41:38,533
INVESTIGATE POLITICAL RIVALS,

10596
05:41:38,533 --> 05:41:40,733
BUT HERE, EVIDENCE SHOWS

10597
05:41:40,733 --> 05:41:42,033
PRESIDENT TRUMP LEVERAGED

10598
05:41:42,033 --> 05:41:45,533
TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO GET

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05:41:45,533 --> 05:41:47,300
UKRAINE TO ANNOUNCE AN

10600
05:41:47,300 --> 05:41:49,600
INVESTIGATION OF PRESIDENT

10601
05:41:49,600 --> 05:41:51,066
TRUMP'S POLITICAL RIVALS.

10602
05:41:51,066 --> 05:41:54,133
THAT TAXPAYER MONEY WAS MEANT

10603
05:41:54,133 --> 05:41:55,400
FOR UKRAINE TO DEFEND ITSELF

10604
05:41:55,400 --> 05:41:59,066
AND DEFEND UTZ INTERESTS FROM

10605
05:41:59,066 --> 05:41:59,600
RUSSIAN AGGRESSION.

10606
05:41:59,600 --> 05:42:01,466
THE MONEY HAD BEEN

10607
05:42:01,466 --> 05:42:02,733
APPROPRIATED BY CONGRESS AND

10608
05:42:02,733 --> 05:42:05,300
CERTIFIED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF

10609
05:42:05,300 --> 05:42:05,866
DEFENSE.

10610
05:42:05,866 --> 05:42:07,533
MULTIPLE WITNESSES CONFIRMED

10611
05:42:07,533 --> 05:42:08,866
THERE WAS UNANIMOUS SUPPORT

10612
05:42:08,866 --> 05:42:10,833
FOR THE MILITARY AID TO

10613
05:42:10,833 --> 05:42:11,166
UKRAINE.

10614
05:42:11,166 --> 05:42:12,900
CAN WE LISTEN TO THAT, PLEASE.

10615
05:42:12,900 --> 05:42:15,266
>> FROM WHAT YOU WITNESSED,

10616
05:42:15,266 --> 05:42:19,433
DID ANYBODY IN THE NATIONAL

10617
05:42:19,433 --> 05:42:21,300
SECURITY COMMUNITY SUPPORT

10618
05:42:21,300 --> 05:42:22,600
WITHHOLDING THE ASSISTANCE?

10619
05:42:22,600 --> 05:42:22,900
>> N

10620
05:42:22,900 --> 05:42:25,766
>> I NEVER HEARD ANYONE

10621
05:42:25,766 --> 05:42:27,666
ADVOCATE FOR WITHHOLDING THE

10622
05:42:27,666 --> 05:42:27,966
AID.

10623
05:42:27,966 --> 05:42:30,166
>> AND THE THEY SUPPORTED THE

10624
05:42:30,166 --> 05:42:31,433
CONTINUATION OF THE SECURITY

10625
05:42:31,433 --> 05:42:33,066
ASSISTANCE, IS THAT RIGHT?

10626
05:42:33,066 --> 05:42:33,700
>> THAT IS CORRECT.

10627
05:42:33,700 --> 05:42:36,966
>> I AND OTHERS SAT IN

10628
05:42:36,966 --> 05:42:38,100
ASTONISHMENT, UKRANIANS WERE

10629
05:42:38,100 --> 05:42:38,933
FIGHTING RUSSIANS, AND COUNTED

10630
05:42:38,933 --> 05:42:41,566
ON NOT ONLY THE TRAINING AND

10631
05:42:41,566 --> 05:42:42,666
WEAPONS, BUT ALSO THE

10632
05:42:42,666 --> 05:42:46,500
ASSURANCE OF U.S. SUPPORT.

10633
05:42:46,500 --> 05:42:47,766
>> PROFESSOR FELDMAN, YOU

10634
05:42:47,766 --> 05:42:49,533
STATED THAT THE PRESIDENT'S

10635
05:42:49,533 --> 05:42:51,333
DEMANDS TO THE PRESIDENT OF

10636
05:42:51,333 --> 05:42:53,166
UKRAINE CONSTITUTED AN ABUSE

10637
05:42:53,166 --> 05:42:53,533
OF POWER.

10638
05:42:53,533 --> 05:42:55,000
HOW DOES THE PRESIDENT'S

10639
05:42:55,000 --> 05:42:56,366
DECISION TO WITHHOLD MILITARY

10640
05:42:56,366 --> 05:42:58,400
AID AFFECT YOUR ANALYSIS?

10641
05:42:58,400 --> 05:42:58,733
>>

10642
05:42:58,733 --> 05:43:01,000
>> IT MEANS IT WASN'T JUST AN

10643
05:43:01,000 --> 05:43:02,333
ABUSE OF POWER BECAUSE THE

10644
05:43:02,333 --> 05:43:05,466
PRESIDENT WAS SERVING HIS

10645
05:43:05,466 --> 05:43:07,466
PERSONAL INTERESTS, BUT ALSO

10646
05:43:07,466 --> 05:43:09,833
ABUSE OF POWER PUTTING THE

10647
05:43:09,833 --> 05:43:11,100
AMERICAN NATIONAL SECURITY

10648
05:43:11,100 --> 05:43:13,633
INTEREST BEHIND HIS OWN

10649
05:43:13,633 --> 05:43:14,166
PERSONAL INTERESTS.

10650
05:43:14,166 --> 05:43:17,000
IT BROUGHT TOGETHER TWO

10651
05:43:17,000 --> 05:43:17,500
IMPORTANT ASPECTS.

10652
05:43:17,500 --> 05:43:19,466
SELF-GAIN, AND UNDERCUTTING

10653
05:43:19,466 --> 05:43:21,133
NATIONAL SECURITY INTERESTS.

10654
05:43:21,133 --> 05:43:23,400
>> DOES EVIDENCE POINT TO

10655
05:43:23,400 --> 05:43:24,166
PRESIDENT TRUMP USING MILITARY

10656
05:43:24,166 --> 05:43:25,566
AID FOR HIS PERSONAL BENEFIT

10657
05:43:25,566 --> 05:43:28,933
NOT FOR THE BENEFIT OF

10658
05:43:28,933 --> 05:43:29,800
OFFICIAL U.S. POLICY.

10659
05:43:29,800 --> 05:43:31,133
PROFESSOR KARLAN,]uoïju WOULD

10660
05:43:31,133 --> 05:43:32,500
THE FRAMERS HAVE INTERPRETED

10661
05:43:32,500 --> 05:43:32,833
THAT?

10662
05:43:32,833 --> 05:43:35,433
>> WELL, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE

10663
05:43:35,433 --> 05:43:38,333
FRAMERS THEMSELVES, OBVIOUSLY.

10664
05:43:38,333 --> 05:43:41,833
MY VIEWIS THAT THEY WOULD SAY

10665
05:43:41,833 --> 05:43:43,366
THAT THE PRESIDENT'S AUTHORITY

10666
05:43:43,366 --> 05:43:45,566
TO USE FOREIGN AID -- AND THEY

10667
05:43:45,566 --> 05:43:47,833
COULDN'T HAVE IMAGINED WE WERE

10668
05:43:47,833 --> 05:43:49,066
EVEN GIVING FOREIGN AID

10669
05:43:49,066 --> 05:43:51,700
BECAUSE WE WERE A TINY POOR

10670
05:43:51,700 --> 05:43:53,900
COUNTRY THEN -- IT'S HARD TO

10671
05:43:53,900 --> 05:43:54,366
TRANSLATE THAT.

10672
05:43:54,366 --> 05:43:56,133
BUT THEY WOULD HAVE SAID A

10673
05:43:56,133 --> 05:43:56,866
PRESIDENT WHO DOESN'T THINK

10674
05:43:56,866 --> 05:43:58,100
FIRST THAT THE SECURITY OF THE

10675
05:43:58,100 --> 05:44:01,000
UNITED STATES IS NOT DOING

10676
05:44:01,000 --> 05:44:03,500
WHAT HIS OATH REQUIRES HIM TO

10677
05:44:03,500 --> 05:44:05,700
DO, AND FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THE

10678
05:44:05,700 --> 05:44:07,133
LAWS APPROPRIATING MONY AND

10679
05:44:07,133 --> 05:44:10,100
DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE

10680
05:44:10,100 --> 05:44:11,466
UNITED STATES.

10681
05:44:11,466 --> 05:44:12,633
>> THANK YOU.

10682
05:44:12,633 --> 05:44:15,466
LET'S GO BACK TO A SEGMENT OF

10683
05:44:15,466 --> 05:44:17,433
MR. TURLEY'S QUOTE, THAT IF

10684
05:44:17,433 --> 05:44:19,233
YOU CAN ESTABLISH TO USE

10685
05:44:19,233 --> 05:44:21,166
PUBLIC OFFICE FOR PERSONAL

10686
05:44:21,166 --> 05:44:24,366
GAIN, YOU HAVE A VIABLE

10687
05:44:24,366 --> 05:44:24,900
IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE.

10688
05:44:24,900 --> 05:44:27,433
MR. FELDMAN, DO WE MEET THAT

10689
05:44:27,433 --> 05:44:27,866
CRITERIA HERE?

10690
05:44:27,866 --> 05:44:29,733
>> IN MY VIEW THE EVIDENCE

10691
05:44:29,733 --> 05:44:31,366
DOES MEET THAT CRITERIA, AND

10692
05:44:31,366 --> 05:44:33,633
THAT'S THE JUDGMENT YOU SHOULD

10693
05:44:33,633 --> 05:44:34,266
BE MAKING.

10694
05:44:34,266 --> 05:44:35,633
>> MISS KARLAN?

10695
05:44:35,633 --> 05:44:35,966
>> YES.

10696
05:44:35,966 --> 05:44:37,500
ONE QUESTION I WOULD HAVE FOR

10697
05:44:37,500 --> 05:44:39,000
THE MINORITY MEMBERS OF THE

10698
05:44:39,000 --> 05:44:40,100
COMMITEE, IF YOU WERE

10699
05:44:40,100 --> 05:44:41,000
CONVINCEID THAT THE PRESIDENT

10700
05:44:41,000 --> 05:44:42,933
HELD UP THE AID BECAUSE HE

10701
05:44:42,933 --> 05:44:44,733
THOUGHT IT WOULD HELP

10702
05:44:44,733 --> 05:44:46,466
RE-ELECTION, WOULD YOU VOTE TO

10703
05:44:46,466 --> 05:44:46,900
IMPEACH HIM?

10704
05:44:46,900 --> 05:44:50,666
THAT'S THE QUESTION THAT

10705
05:44:50,666 --> 05:44:52,733
EVERYONE SHOULD BE ASKING.

10706
05:44:52,733 --> 05:44:53,700
IF THEY CONCLUDE YES, THEY

10707
05:44:53,700 --> 05:44:55,433
SHOULD VOTE TO IMPEACH.

10708
05:44:55,433 --> 05:44:57,033
>> MR. GERHARDT?

10709
05:44:57,033 --> 05:44:57,466
>> I AGREE.

10710
05:44:57,466 --> 05:45:02,233
ONE THING I WOULD ADD, IS THAT

10711
05:45:02,233 --> 05:45:04,633
MUCH TALK HAS BEEN MADE HERE

10712
05:45:04,633 --> 05:45:07,300
ABOUT THE TERM BRIBERY.

10713
05:45:07,300 --> 05:45:09,700
IT'S YOUR JOB, IT'S THE

10714
05:45:09,700 --> 05:45:11,466
HOUSE'S JOOB TO DEFINE

10715
05:45:11,466 --> 05:45:13,233
BRIBERY, NOT THE COURTS.

10716
05:45:13,233 --> 05:45:14,666
YOU FOLLOW YOUR JUDGMENT ON

10717
05:45:14,666 --> 05:45:15,200
IT.

10718
05:45:15,200 --> 05:45:17,833
>> I WANT TO THANK ALL THE

10719
05:45:17,833 --> 05:45:19,466
WITNESSES TO COMING IN AND

10720
05:45:19,466 --> 05:45:19,966
TESTIFYING TODAY.

10721
05:45:19,966 --> 05:45:21,533
THIS IS NOT AN EASY DECISION.

10722
05:45:21,533 --> 05:45:23,066
IT'S NOT A COMFORTABLE

10723
05:45:23,066 --> 05:45:24,966
DECISION, BUT IT'S ONE THAT'S

10724
05:45:24,966 --> 05:45:25,333
NECESSARY.

10725
05:45:25,333 --> 05:45:27,100
WE ALL TAKE AN OATH TO PROTECT

10726
05:45:27,100 --> 05:45:28,333
THE CONSTITUTION, OUR

10727
05:45:28,333 --> 05:45:29,233
MILITARY, OUR MEN AND WOMEN

10728
05:45:29,233 --> 05:45:30,966
WHO PUT THEIR LIVES ON THE

10729
05:45:30,966 --> 05:45:32,300
LINE FOR THE CONSTITUTION, AND

10730
05:45:32,300 --> 05:45:38,800
WE HAVE WE HAVEAN OBLIGATION TOE

10731
05:45:38,800 --> 05:45:40,200
CONSTITUTION WHETHER IT IS EASY

10732
05:45:40,200 --> 05:45:40,933
OR NOT.

10733
05:45:40,933 --> 05:45:41,366
I YIELD BACK.

10734
05:45:41,366 --> 05:45:43,300
>> VERY QUICKLY PROFESSOR

10735
05:45:43,300 --> 05:45:45,066
CHARLIE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO

10736
05:45:45,066 --> 05:45:45,400
RESPOND?

10737
05:45:45,400 --> 05:45:46,733
>> YES, I WOULD.

10738
05:45:46,733 --> 05:45:51,433
FIRST OF ALL, WHAT WAS SAID IN

10739
05:45:51,433 --> 05:45:53,833
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID IN

10740
05:45:53,833 --> 05:45:54,266
MY TESTIMONY.

10741
05:45:54,266 --> 05:45:55,933
THE PROBLEM IS NOT ABUSE OF

10742
05:45:55,933 --> 05:45:58,100
POWER CAN NEVER BE AN

10743
05:45:58,100 --> 05:45:58,933
IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE YOU JUST

10744
05:45:58,933 --> 05:46:01,066
HAVE TO PROVE IT AND YOU

10745
05:46:01,066 --> 05:46:01,400
HAVEN'T.

10746
05:46:01,400 --> 05:46:04,266
IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO SAY I INFER

10747
05:46:04,266 --> 05:46:06,100
THIS WAS THE PURPOSE.

10748
05:46:06,100 --> 05:46:10,166
I N INFER THAT THIS IS WHAT WAS

10749
05:46:10,166 --> 05:46:11,466
INTENDED WHEN YOU'RE NOT

10750
05:46:11,466 --> 05:46:12,966
ACTUALLY SUBPOENAING PEOPLE WITH

10751
05:46:12,966 --> 05:46:15,200
DIRECT KNOWLEDGE.

10752
05:46:15,200 --> 05:46:16,200
INSTEAD YOU'RE SAYING WE MUST

10753
05:46:16,200 --> 05:46:18,633
VOTE IN THIS ROCKET DOCKET OF

10754
05:46:18,633 --> 05:46:19,033
IMPEACHMENT.

10755
05:46:19,033 --> 05:46:20,866
>> THIS LEADS TO A MASS

10756
05:46:20,866 --> 05:46:22,100
STATEMENT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE.

10757
05:46:22,100 --> 05:46:24,300
OF COURSE THE UNITED STATES

10758
05:46:24,300 --> 05:46:26,166
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES HAS

10759
05:46:26,166 --> 05:46:27,433
INITIATED IMPEACHMENT INQUIRIES

10760
05:46:27,433 --> 05:46:28,133
AGAINST THE PRESIDENT OF THE

10761
05:46:28,133 --> 05:46:29,800
UNITED STATES ONLY THREE TIMES

10762
05:46:29,800 --> 05:46:32,333
IN OUR NATION'S HISTORY PRIOR TO

10763
05:46:32,333 --> 05:46:33,566
THIS ONE.

10764
05:46:33,566 --> 05:46:34,500
THOSE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRIES WERE

10765
05:46:34,500 --> 05:46:36,633
DONE IN THIS COMMITTEE, THE

10766
05:46:36,633 --> 05:46:39,133
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE WHICH HAS

10767
05:46:39,133 --> 05:46:40,866
JURISDICTION OVER IMPEACHMENT

10768
05:46:40,866 --> 05:46:41,833
MATTERS.

10769
05:46:41,833 --> 05:46:47,333
HERE IN 2019 UNDER THIS INQUIRY,

10770
05:46:47,333 --> 05:46:51,133
FACT WITNESSES HAVE BEEN FALL,

10771
05:46:51,133 --> 05:46:52,300
FACT WITNESSES THAT HAVE BEEN

10772
05:46:52,300 --> 05:46:53,833
CALLED WERE IN FRONT OF THE

10773
05:46:53,833 --> 05:46:54,633
INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE.

10774
05:46:54,633 --> 05:46:56,466
WE HAVE GIVEN NO CASE THIS

10775
05:46:56,466 --> 05:46:58,866
COMMITTEE WILL HAVE SUBSEQUENT

10776
05:46:58,866 --> 05:46:59,833
HEARINGS WITH FACT WITNESSES.

10777
05:46:59,833 --> 05:47:01,900
AS A MEMBER SERVING ON THE

10778
05:47:01,900 --> 05:47:02,600
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE I CAN SAY

10779
05:47:02,600 --> 05:47:05,000
THAT THE PROCESS IN WHICH WE ARE

10780
05:47:05,000 --> 05:47:07,500
PARTICIPATING IS INSUFFICIENT,

10781
05:47:07,500 --> 05:47:10,266
UNPRECEDENTED AND GROSSLY

10782
05:47:10,266 --> 05:47:10,666
INADEQUATE.

10783
05:47:10,666 --> 05:47:12,433
SITTING BEFORE US IS A PANEL OF

10784
05:47:12,433 --> 05:47:14,033
WITNESSES CONTAINING FOUR

10785
05:47:14,033 --> 05:47:15,500
DISTINGUISHED LAW PROFESSORS

10786
05:47:15,500 --> 05:47:17,100
FROM SOME OF OUR COUNTRY'S

10787
05:47:17,100 --> 05:47:18,700
FINEST EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS.

10788
05:47:18,700 --> 05:47:21,333
I DO NOT DOUBT THAT EACH OF YOU

10789
05:47:21,333 --> 05:47:23,466
ARE EXTREMELY WELL VERSED IN THE

10790
05:47:23,466 --> 05:47:25,166
SUBJECT OF CONSTITUTIONAL LAW,

10791
05:47:25,166 --> 05:47:27,466
AND YES THERE IS PRECEDENT FOR

10792
05:47:27,466 --> 05:47:29,600
SIMILAR PANELS IN THE

10793
05:47:29,600 --> 05:47:31,033
AFOREMENTIONED HISTORY BUT ONLY

10794
05:47:31,033 --> 05:47:33,400
AFTER SPECIFIC CHARGES HAVE BEEN

10795
05:47:33,400 --> 05:47:35,200
MADE KNOWN AND THE UNDERLYING

10796
05:47:35,200 --> 05:47:38,633
FACTS PRESENTED IN FULL DUE TO

10797
05:47:38,633 --> 05:47:40,566
AN EXHAUSTIVE INVESTIGATION.

10798
05:47:40,566 --> 05:47:41,633
HOWEVER, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY

10799
05:47:41,633 --> 05:47:42,833
WE ARE HOLDING THIS HEARING AT

10800
05:47:42,833 --> 05:47:44,733
THIS TIME WITH THESE WITNESSES.

10801
05:47:44,733 --> 05:47:46,066
MY COLLEAGUES ON THE OTHER SIDE

10802
05:47:46,066 --> 05:47:47,366
OF THE AISLE HAVE ADMITTED HAD

10803
05:47:47,366 --> 05:47:48,800
HE DON'T KNOW WHAT ARTICLES OF

10804
05:47:48,800 --> 05:47:50,200
IMPEACHMENT THEY WILL CONSIDER.

10805
05:47:50,200 --> 05:47:53,200
HOW DOES ANYONE EXPECT A PANEL

10806
05:47:53,200 --> 05:47:54,866
OF LAW PROFESSORS TO WEIGH IN ON

10807
05:47:54,866 --> 05:47:57,766
THE LEGAL GROUNDS FOR

10808
05:47:57,766 --> 05:47:59,100
IMPEACHMENT CHARGES PRIOR TO

10809
05:47:59,100 --> 05:48:00,466
EVEN KNOWING WHAT THE CHARGES

10810
05:48:00,466 --> 05:48:02,033
BROUGHT BY THIS COMMITTEE ARE

10811
05:48:02,033 --> 05:48:02,466
GOING TO BE.

10812
05:48:02,466 --> 05:48:04,333
SOME OF MY DEMOCRAT COLLEAGUES

10813
05:48:04,333 --> 05:48:07,000
HAVE STATED OVER AND OVER THAT

10814
05:48:07,000 --> 05:48:10,200
IMPEACHMENT SHOULD BE A

10815
05:48:10,200 --> 05:48:10,833
NON-PARTISAN PROCESS AND I

10816
05:48:10,833 --> 05:48:11,133
AGREE.

10817
05:48:11,133 --> 05:48:12,300
ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES IN THE

10818
05:48:12,300 --> 05:48:13,066
DEMOCRATIC PARTY STATED AND I

10819
05:48:13,066 --> 05:48:14,933
QUOTE IMPEACHMENT IS SO DIVISIVE

10820
05:48:14,933 --> 05:48:17,233
TO THE COUNTRY THAT UNLESS THERE

10821
05:48:17,233 --> 05:48:18,566
IS SOMETHING SO COMPELLING AND

10822
05:48:18,566 --> 05:48:19,800
OVER WHELMING AND BIPARTISAN, I

10823
05:48:19,800 --> 05:48:21,333
DON'T THINK WE SHOULD GO DOWN

10824
05:48:21,333 --> 05:48:24,533
THAT PATH BECAUSE IT DIVIDES THE

10825
05:48:24,533 --> 05:48:24,866
COUNTRY.

10826
05:48:24,866 --> 05:48:26,000
MY DEMOCRATIC COLLEAGUES HAVE

10827
05:48:26,000 --> 05:48:27,800
STATED NUMEROUS TIMES THAT THEY

10828
05:48:27,800 --> 05:48:30,800
ARE ON A TRUTH-SEEKING AND FACT

10829
05:48:30,800 --> 05:48:31,400
FINDING MISSION.

10830
05:48:31,400 --> 05:48:33,333
ANOTHER ONE OF MY DEMOCRATIC

10831
05:48:33,333 --> 05:48:35,133
COLLEAGUES SAID AND I QUOTE, WE

10832
05:48:35,133 --> 05:48:35,866
HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO

10833
05:48:35,866 --> 05:48:38,600
CONSIDER THE FACTS THAT EMERGE

10834
05:48:38,600 --> 05:48:39,466
SQUARELY AND WITH THE BEST

10835
05:48:39,466 --> 05:48:41,166
INTERESTS OF OUR COUNTRY, NOT

10836
05:48:41,166 --> 05:48:43,833
OUR PARTY IN OUR HEARTS.

10837
05:48:43,833 --> 05:48:46,166
THESE TYPE OF HISTORIC

10838
05:48:46,166 --> 05:48:48,733
PROCEEDINGS REGARDLESS OF

10839
05:48:48,733 --> 05:48:50,033
POLITICAL BELIEFS OUGHT TO BE

10840
05:48:50,033 --> 05:48:50,800
ABOUT FACT FINDING AND TRUTH

10841
05:48:50,800 --> 05:48:52,466
SEEKING BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT

10842
05:48:52,466 --> 05:48:54,400
THIS HAS TURNED OUT TO BE.

10843
05:48:54,400 --> 05:48:56,200
AGAIN, NO DISRESPECT TO THESE

10844
05:48:56,200 --> 05:48:57,600
WITNESSES BUT FOR ALL I KNOW,

10845
05:48:57,600 --> 05:49:00,233
THIS IS THE ONLY HEARING THAT WE

10846
05:49:00,233 --> 05:49:03,500
WILL HAVE AND NONE OF THEM ARE

10847
05:49:03,500 --> 05:49:05,533
FACTS WITNESSES.

10848
05:49:05,533 --> 05:49:07,100
MY COLLEAGUES ARE SAYING ONE

10849
05:49:07,100 --> 05:49:09,400
THING AND DOING SOMETHING

10850
05:49:09,400 --> 05:49:10,233
COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

10851
05:49:10,233 --> 05:49:13,233
NO MEMBER OF CONGRESS CAN LOOK

10852
05:49:13,233 --> 05:49:14,866
THEIR CONSTITUENTS IN THE EYE

10853
05:49:14,866 --> 05:49:16,333
AND SAY THIS IS A COMPREHENSIVE

10854
05:49:16,333 --> 05:49:20,533
FACT FINDING TRUTH SEEKING

10855
05:49:20,533 --> 05:49:21,166
MISSION.

10856
05:49:21,166 --> 05:49:23,033
RANKING MEMBER COLLINS AND

10857
05:49:23,033 --> 05:49:25,066
MEMBERS OF THE MINORITY IN THIS

10858
05:49:25,066 --> 05:49:26,200
COMMITTEE HAVE WRITTEN SIX

10859
05:49:26,200 --> 05:49:27,933
LEADERS OVER THE PAST MONTH TO

10860
05:49:27,933 --> 05:49:28,933
CHAIRMAN NADLER ASKING FOR

10861
05:49:28,933 --> 05:49:31,466
PROCEDURAL FAIRNESS FOR ALL THE

10862
05:49:31,466 --> 05:49:32,100
UNDERLYING EVIDENCE TO BE

10863
05:49:32,100 --> 05:49:33,133
TRANSMITTED TO THE JUDICIARY

10864
05:49:33,133 --> 05:49:35,133
COMMITTEE TO EXPAND THE NUMBER

10865
05:49:35,133 --> 05:49:37,266
OF WITNESSES AND HAVE AN EVEN

10866
05:49:37,266 --> 05:49:39,466
MORE BIPARTISAN PANEL HERE TODAY

10867
05:49:39,466 --> 05:49:42,466
AND FOR CLARITY ON TODAY'S

10868
05:49:42,466 --> 05:49:43,466
IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS SINCE WE

10869
05:49:43,466 --> 05:49:44,933
HAVEN'T RECEIVED EVIDENCE TO

10870
05:49:44,933 --> 05:49:45,266
REVIEW.

10871
05:49:45,266 --> 05:49:47,666
THE MINORITY HAS YET TO RECEIVE

10872
05:49:47,666 --> 05:49:50,366
A RESPONSE TO THESE LETTERS.

10873
05:49:50,366 --> 05:49:53,866
RIGHT HERE TODAY IS ANOTHER VERY

10874
05:49:53,866 --> 05:49:57,300
CLEAR EXAMPLE OF ALL AMERICANS

10875
05:49:57,300 --> 05:49:58,333
TRULY UNDERSTAND THE ONGOING

10876
05:49:58,333 --> 05:49:59,700
LACK OF TRANSPARENCY AND

10877
05:49:59,700 --> 05:50:02,133
OPENNESS WITH THESE PROCEEDINGS.

10878
05:50:02,133 --> 05:50:04,800
THE WITNESS LIST FOR THIS

10879
05:50:04,800 --> 05:50:06,266
HEARING WAS NOT RELEASED UNTIL

10880
05:50:06,266 --> 05:50:07,733
LATE MONDAY AFTERNOON.

10881
05:50:07,733 --> 05:50:08,866
OWNING STATEMENTS FROM THE

10882
05:50:08,866 --> 05:50:11,400
WITNESSES TODAY WERE NOT

10883
05:50:11,400 --> 05:50:12,966
DISTRIBUTING UNTIL LATE LAST

10884
05:50:12,966 --> 05:50:14,266
NIGHT AND THE INTELLIGENCE

10885
05:50:14,266 --> 05:50:16,200
COMMITTEE'S FINALIZED REPORT HAS

10886
05:50:16,200 --> 05:50:18,000
YET TO BE PRESENTED TO THIS

10887
05:50:18,000 --> 05:50:18,366
COMMITTEE.

10888
05:50:18,366 --> 05:50:21,500
YOU HEAR FROM THOSE IN THE

10889
05:50:21,500 --> 05:50:22,633
MAJORITY THAT IS A REPUBLICAN

10890
05:50:22,633 --> 05:50:25,566
TALKING POINT WHEN IN REALTY IT

10891
05:50:25,566 --> 05:50:27,033
IS AN AMERICAN TALKING POINT.

10892
05:50:27,033 --> 05:50:29,666
PROCESS IS ESSENTIAL TO THE

10893
05:50:29,666 --> 05:50:30,066
INSTITUTION.

10894
05:50:30,066 --> 05:50:31,733
A THOUGHTFUL MEANINGFUL PROCESS

10895
05:50:31,733 --> 05:50:33,800
OF THIS MAGNITUDE WITH SUCH

10896
05:50:33,800 --> 05:50:35,100
GREAT IMPLICATIONS SHOULD BE

10897
05:50:35,100 --> 05:50:37,133
DEMANDED BY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

10898
05:50:37,133 --> 05:50:38,800
WITH THAT I YIELD BACK.

10899
05:50:38,800 --> 05:50:41,800
>> GENTLELADY YIELDS BACK.

10900
05:50:41,800 --> 05:50:42,233
MR. JEFFRIES.

10901
05:50:42,233 --> 05:50:45,333
>> I DID NOT SERVE IN THE

10902
05:50:45,333 --> 05:50:47,800
MILITARY BUT MY 81 YEAR OLD

10903
05:50:47,800 --> 05:50:48,800
FATHER DID.

10904
05:50:48,800 --> 05:50:50,333
WITH AN AIR FORCE VETERAN

10905
05:50:50,333 --> 05:50:52,000
STATIONED IN GERMANY DURING T

10906
05:50:52,000 --> 05:50:53,800
HEIGHT OF THE COLD WAR IN THE

10907
05:50:53,800 --> 05:50:55,333
LATE 1950 'S.

10908
05:50:55,333 --> 05:50:59,333
HE WAS A DEAN AGER FROM INNER

10909
05:50:59,333 --> 05:51:01,500
CITY NEWARK, A STRANGER IN A

10910
05:51:01,500 --> 05:51:03,100
FOREIGN LAND, SERVING ON THE

10911
05:51:03,100 --> 05:51:05,633
WESTERN SIDE OF THE BERLIN WALL.

10912
05:51:05,633 --> 05:51:08,966
MY DAD PROUDLY WORE THE UNIFORM

10913
05:51:08,966 --> 05:51:11,366
BECAUSE HE SWORE AN OATH TO THE

10914
05:51:11,366 --> 05:51:14,833
CONSTITUTION AND BELIEVED IN

10915
05:51:14,833 --> 05:51:15,400
AMERICAN DEMOCRACY.

10916
05:51:15,400 --> 05:51:17,866
I BELIEVE IN AMERICAN DEMOCRACY.

10917
05:51:17,866 --> 05:51:23,300
WE REMAIN THE LAST BEST HOPE ON

10918
05:51:23,300 --> 05:51:23,600
EARTH.

10919
05:51:23,600 --> 05:51:28,833
IT IS IN THAT SPIRIT THAT WE

10920
05:51:28,833 --> 05:51:29,700
PROCEED TODAY.

10921
05:51:29,700 --> 05:51:31,266
MR. COLLINS IN AMERICA WE

10922
05:51:31,266 --> 05:51:32,900
BELIEVE IN FREE AND FAIR

10923
05:51:32,900 --> 05:51:33,866
ELECTIONS, IS THAT CORRECT.

10924
05:51:33,866 --> 05:51:34,700
>> YES, IT IS.

10925
05:51:34,700 --> 05:51:36,833
>> BUT AUTHORITARIAN REGIMES DO

10926
05:51:36,833 --> 05:51:37,666
NOT, IS THAT RIGHT.

10927
05:51:37,666 --> 05:51:39,200
>> THAT'S CORRECT.

10928
05:51:39,200 --> 05:51:41,000
>> THOMAS JEFFERSON ONCE WROTE,

10929
05:51:41,000 --> 05:51:42,633
WELL JOHN ADAMS ONCE WROTE TO

10930
05:51:42,633 --> 05:51:47,466
THOMAS JEFER SAW ON DECEMBER 6,

10931
05:51:47,466 --> 05:51:49,466
1787 AND STATED YOU ARE

10932
05:51:49,466 --> 05:51:51,433
APPREHENSIVE OF FOREIGN

10933
05:51:51,433 --> 05:51:53,800
INTERFERENCE INTRIGUE,

10934
05:51:53,800 --> 05:51:55,233
INFLUENCE, SO AM I.

10935
05:51:55,233 --> 05:51:57,800
BUT AS OFTEN AS ELECTIONS

10936
05:51:57,800 --> 05:52:01,833
HAPPEN, THE DANGER OF FOREIGN

10937
05:52:01,833 --> 05:52:02,600
INFLUENCE RECURS.

10938
05:52:02,600 --> 05:52:04,433
HOW IMPORTANT WAS THE CONCEPT OF

10939
05:52:04,433 --> 05:52:07,466
FREE AND FAIR LOOKIONS TO THE

10940
05:52:07,466 --> 05:52:08,933
FRAMERS OF THE CONSTITUTION?

10941
05:52:08,933 --> 05:52:10,866
>> HONESTLY IT WAS LESS

10942
05:52:10,866 --> 05:52:12,200
IMPORTANT TO THEM THAN IT'S

10943
05:52:12,200 --> 05:52:13,733
BECOME IN OUR CONSTITUTION SINCE

10944
05:52:13,733 --> 05:52:14,733
THEN AND IF YOU REMEMBER ONE OF

10945
05:52:14,733 --> 05:52:16,433
THE THING THAT TURNED ME INTO A

10946
05:52:16,433 --> 05:52:17,700
LAWYER WAS SEEING BARBARA JORDAN

10947
05:52:17,700 --> 05:52:19,266
WHO WAS THE FIRST FEMALE LAWYER

10948
05:52:19,266 --> 05:52:22,000
I HAD EVER SEEN IN PRACTICE SAY

10949
05:52:22,000 --> 05:52:23,233
THAT WE THE PEOPLE DIDN'T

10950
05:52:23,233 --> 05:52:28,400
INCLUDE PEOPLE LIKE HER IN 1789

10951
05:52:28,400 --> 05:52:32,233
BUT THROUGH A PROGRESSION OF

10952
05:52:32,233 --> 05:52:35,233
AMENDMENTS WE HAVE DONE THAT.

10953
05:52:35,233 --> 05:52:37,100
ELECTIONS ARE MORE IMPORTANT TO

10954
05:52:37,100 --> 05:52:38,166
US THAN IT WAS TO THE FRAMERS.

10955
05:52:38,166 --> 05:52:40,800
>> TO NOT BE REASONABLY

10956
05:52:40,800 --> 05:52:44,300
CHARACTERIZED AS FREE AND FAIR

10957
05:52:44,300 --> 05:52:46,133
IF MANIPULATED BY FOREIGN

10958
05:52:46,133 --> 05:52:46,566
INTERFERENCE.

10959
05:52:46,566 --> 05:52:47,100
>> THAT'S CORRECT.

10960
05:52:47,100 --> 05:52:48,733
>> THE FRAMERS OF THE

10961
05:52:48,733 --> 05:52:49,400
CONSTITUTION WERE CONCERNED

10962
05:52:49,400 --> 05:52:50,966
ABOUT THE THREAT OF FOREIGN

10963
05:52:50,966 --> 05:52:52,166
INTERFERENCE INTO DOSTIC

10964
05:52:52,166 --> 05:52:53,100
AFFAIRS OF THE UNITED STATES,

10965
05:52:53,100 --> 05:52:53,400
TRUE.

10966
05:52:53,400 --> 05:52:53,733
>> YES.

10967
05:52:53,733 --> 05:52:56,133
>> WHY WERE THEY SO DEEPLY

10968
05:52:56,133 --> 05:52:56,500
CONCERNED?

10969
05:52:56,500 --> 05:52:58,400
>> BECAUSE FOREIGN NATIONS DON'T

10970
05:52:58,400 --> 05:52:59,800
HAVE OUR INTERESTS AT HEART.

10971
05:52:59,800 --> 05:53:02,533
THEY HAVE THEIR INTERESTS AT

10972
05:53:02,533 --> 05:53:02,833
HEART.

10973
05:53:02,833 --> 05:53:06,333
>> WOULD THE FRAMERS FIND IT

10974
05:53:06,333 --> 05:53:07,300
ACCEPTABLE WHEN AMERICAN

10975
05:53:07,300 --> 05:53:08,600
PRESIDENT TO PRESSURE A FOREIGN

10976
05:53:08,600 --> 05:53:10,700
GOVERNMENT TO HELP HIM WIN AN

10977
05:53:10,700 --> 05:53:11,066
SELECTION.

10978
05:53:11,066 --> 05:53:12,900
>> I THINK THEY WOULD FIND IT

10979
05:53:12,900 --> 05:53:14,300
UNACCEPTABLE FOR A PRESIDENT TO

10980
05:53:14,300 --> 05:53:16,900
ASK A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT TO HELP

10981
05:53:16,900 --> 05:53:18,866
THEM WHETHER THEY PUT PRESSURE

10982
05:53:18,866 --> 05:53:19,600
ON THEM OR NOT.

10983
05:53:19,600 --> 05:53:22,400
>> DIRECT EVIDENCE SHOWS, DIRECT

10984
05:53:22,400 --> 05:53:24,966
EVIDENCE SHOWS THAT ON JULY 25TH

10985
05:53:24,966 --> 05:53:26,266
PHONE CALL, THE PRESIDENT

10986
05:53:26,266 --> 05:53:27,266
UTTERED FIVE WORDS.

10987
05:53:27,266 --> 05:53:30,533
DO US A FAVOR, THOUGH.

10988
05:53:30,533 --> 05:53:32,266
THE PRESIDENT OF THE UKRAINIAN

10989
05:53:32,266 --> 05:53:34,000
GOVERNMENT TO TARGET AN AMERICAN

10990
05:53:34,000 --> 05:53:34,866
CITIZEN FOR POLITICAL GAIN AND

10991
05:53:34,866 --> 05:53:38,900
AT THE SAME TIME SIMULTANEOUSLY

10992
05:53:38,900 --> 05:53:41,766
WITHHELD $391 MILLION IN

10993
05:53:41,766 --> 05:53:43,400
MILITARY AID.

10994
05:53:43,400 --> 05:53:45,700
NOW AMBASSADOR BILL TAYLOR WEST

10995
05:53:45,700 --> 05:53:47,833
POINT GRADUATE VIETNAM WAR

10996
05:53:47,833 --> 05:53:50,066
HEROUX, HOW CAN APPOINTED

10997
05:53:50,066 --> 05:53:51,800
DIPLOMAT DISCUSSED THIS ISSUE OF

10998
05:53:51,800 --> 05:53:52,333
MILITARY AID.

10999
05:53:52,333 --> 05:53:55,433
HERE IS A CLIP OF HIS TESTIMONY.

11000
05:53:55,433 --> 05:53:58,233
>> AGAIN, OUR HOLDING UP OF

11001
05:53:58,233 --> 05:53:59,800
SECURITY SYSTEMS THAT WOULD GO

11002
05:53:59,800 --> 05:54:05,866
TO A COUNTRY THAT IS FIGHTING

11003
05:54:05,866 --> 05:54:08,600
AGGRESSION FROM RUSSIA FOR NO

11004
05:54:08,600 --> 05:54:10,933
GOOD POLICY REASON, NO GOOD

11005
05:54:10,933 --> 05:54:13,233
SUBSTANTIVE REASON, NO GOOD

11006
05:54:13,233 --> 05:54:15,133
NATIONAL SECURITY REASON WAS

11007
05:54:15,133 --> 05:54:15,433
WRONG.

11008
05:54:15,433 --> 05:54:17,000
>> TO THE EXTENT THE MILITARY

11009
05:54:17,000 --> 05:54:19,100
AID WAS BEING WITHHELD AS PART

11010
05:54:19,100 --> 05:54:22,833
OF AN EFFORT TO SOLICIT FOREIGN

11011
05:54:22,833 --> 05:54:23,833
INTERFERENCE IN THE 2020

11012
05:54:23,833 --> 05:54:25,933
ELECTION, IS THAT BEHAVIOR

11013
05:54:25,933 --> 05:54:26,333
IMPEACHABLE.

11014
05:54:26,333 --> 05:54:27,100
>> YES, IT IS.

11015
05:54:27,100 --> 05:54:28,533
AND IF I COULD GO BACK TO ONE OF

11016
05:54:28,533 --> 05:54:30,000
THE WORDS YOU READ, WHEN THE

11017
05:54:30,000 --> 05:54:31,633
PRESIDENT SAID DO US A FAVOR, HE

11018
05:54:31,633 --> 05:54:33,066
WAS USING THE ROYAL WE THERE.

11019
05:54:33,066 --> 05:54:34,800
IT WASN'T A FAVOR FOR THE UNITED

11020
05:54:34,800 --> 05:54:36,333
STATES, HE SHOULD HAVE SAID DO

11021
05:54:36,333 --> 05:54:37,933
ME A FAVOR.

11022
05:54:37,933 --> 05:54:39,133
BECAUSE ONLY KINGS SAY US WHEN

11023
05:54:39,133 --> 05:54:40,933
THEY MEAN ME.

11024
05:54:40,933 --> 05:54:43,166
>> IS IT CORRECT THAT AN ABUSE

11025
05:54:43,166 --> 05:54:44,466
OF POWER THAT STRIKES AT THE

11026
05:54:44,466 --> 05:54:47,833
HEART OF OUR DEMOCRACY FALLS

11027
05:54:47,833 --> 05:54:49,100
SQUARELY WITHIN THE DEFINITION

11028
05:54:49,100 --> 05:54:51,033
OF A HIGH CRIME AND MISDEMEANOR.

11029
05:54:51,033 --> 05:54:52,566
>> YES, IT DOES.

11030
05:54:52,566 --> 05:54:54,166
>> SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE

11031
05:54:54,166 --> 05:54:56,133
SUGGESTED THAT IMPEACHMENT WOULD

11032
05:54:56,133 --> 05:54:57,433
OVERTURN THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

11033
05:54:57,433 --> 05:54:59,366
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE EXPRESSED

11034
05:54:59,366 --> 05:55:02,400
THEIR WILL IN NOVEMBER OF 2018.

11035
05:55:02,400 --> 05:55:04,733
THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE ELECTED A

11036
05:55:04,733 --> 05:55:05,533
NEW MAJORITY.

11037
05:55:05,533 --> 05:55:07,866
THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE ELECTED A

11038
05:55:07,866 --> 05:55:10,133
HOUSE THAT WOULD NOT FUNCTION AS

11039
05:55:10,133 --> 05:55:12,566
A WHOLLY OWNED SUBSIDIARY OF

11040
05:55:12,566 --> 05:55:13,633
THIS ADMINISTRATION.

11041
05:55:13,633 --> 05:55:16,300
THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE ELECTED A

11042
05:55:16,300 --> 05:55:17,866
HOUSE THAT UNDERSTANDS WE ARE

11043
05:55:17,866 --> 05:55:20,633
SEPARATE AND CO-EQUAL BRANCH OF

11044
05:55:20,633 --> 05:55:21,033
GOVERNMENT.

11045
05:55:21,033 --> 05:55:22,333
THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE ELECTED A

11046
05:55:22,333 --> 05:55:24,500
HOUSE THAT UNDERSTANDS WE HAVE A

11047
05:55:24,500 --> 05:55:25,566
CONSTITUTIONAL RESPONSIBILITY TO

11048
05:55:25,566 --> 05:55:27,466
SERVE AS A CHECK AND BALANCE ON

11049
05:55:27,466 --> 05:55:29,600
AN OUT OF CONTROL EXECUTIVE

11050
05:55:29,600 --> 05:55:29,933
BRANCH.

11051
05:55:29,933 --> 05:55:31,833
THE PRESIDENT ABUSED HIS POWER

11052
05:55:31,833 --> 05:55:33,333
AND MUST BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.

11053
05:55:33,333 --> 05:55:37,500
NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW.

11054
05:55:37,500 --> 05:55:42,533
AMERICA MUST REMAIN THE LAST

11055
05:55:42,533 --> 05:55:44,566
BEST HOPE ON EARTH.

11056
05:55:44,566 --> 05:55:45,533
I YIELD BACK.

11057
05:55:45,533 --> 05:55:50,866
>> GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK.

11058
05:55:50,866 --> 05:55:51,233
MR. GAETZ.

11059
05:55:51,233 --> 05:55:58,966
>> AMERICAN PEOPLE ELECTED

11060
05:55:58,966 --> 05:55:59,833
DONALD TRUMP AND THEY CAN'T GET

11061
05:55:59,833 --> 05:56:00,600
OVER THE FACT.

11062
05:56:00,600 --> 05:56:03,500
WE HAVEN'T SPENT OUR TIME DURING

11063
05:56:03,500 --> 05:56:05,300
YOUR TENURE PROCEDURE TRYING TO

11064
05:56:05,300 --> 05:56:07,466
REMOVE THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE

11065
05:56:07,466 --> 05:56:10,466
TRYING TO DELEGITIMIZE ABILITY

11066
05:56:10,466 --> 05:56:10,833
TO GOVERN.

11067
05:56:10,833 --> 05:56:12,300
WE WOULD LOVE TO GOVERN WITH YOU

11068
05:56:12,300 --> 05:56:16,733
AND PASS UMSCA PUT OUT HELPING

11069
05:56:16,733 --> 05:56:18,100
HANDS TO SENIORS FOR DRUG

11070
05:56:18,100 --> 05:56:18,433
PRICES.

11071
05:56:18,433 --> 05:56:19,766
IT'S THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE YOU

11072
05:56:19,766 --> 05:56:20,833
IGNORE WHEN YOU CONTINUE DOWN

11073
05:56:20,833 --> 05:56:23,300
THIS TERRIBLE ROAD OF

11074
05:56:23,300 --> 05:56:23,700
IMPEACHMENT.

11075
05:56:23,700 --> 05:56:30,466
PROFESSOR GEA GEAR HARD YOU GAVE

11076
05:56:30,466 --> 05:56:32,766
MONEY TO PRESIDENT OBAMA.

11077
05:56:32,766 --> 05:56:33,133
>> YES.

11078
05:56:33,133 --> 05:56:38,433
>> I ASK THAT PROFESSOR

11079
05:56:38,433 --> 05:56:39,900
FELDMAN'S WORK TRUMP WIRE TAP

11080
05:56:39,900 --> 05:56:41,466
TWEETS REACHES IMPEACHMENT --

11081
05:56:41,466 --> 05:56:46,266
>> GENTLEMAN WILL SUSPEND.

11082
05:56:46,266 --> 05:56:47,833
>> TAKE THAT TIME OFF.

11083
05:56:47,833 --> 05:56:52,033
AS THE GENTLEMAN SUBMITTED, WE

11084
05:56:52,033 --> 05:56:53,033
SEE THAT MATERIAL.

11085
05:56:53,033 --> 05:56:55,433
>> WE CAN PROVIDE IT TO YOU AS

11086
05:56:55,433 --> 05:56:57,400
IS TYPICAL.

11087
05:56:57,400 --> 05:56:58,800
>> CONSIDER THE REQUEST LATER

11088
05:56:58,800 --> 05:56:59,833
AFTER WE REVIEW IT.

11089
05:56:59,833 --> 05:57:01,266
>> VERY WELL.

11090
05:57:01,266 --> 05:57:03,133
>> THE GENTLEMAN MAY CONTINUE.

11091
05:57:03,133 --> 05:57:04,666
>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

11092
05:57:04,666 --> 05:57:05,900
MR. FELDMAN WROTE ARTICLES

11093
05:57:05,900 --> 05:57:08,433
ENTITLED TRUMP'S WIRE TAP TWEETS

11094
05:57:08,433 --> 05:57:10,666
RAISE RISK OF IMPEACHMENT.

11095
05:57:10,666 --> 05:57:14,200
HE THEN WROTE MAR-A-LAGO AD

11096
05:57:14,200 --> 05:57:16,533
BELONGS ANYMORE PEACHABLE

11097
05:57:16,533 --> 05:57:17,400
FILE.

11098
05:57:17,400 --> 05:57:19,233
JAY FLANNIGAN WROTE IN COURTS A

11099
05:57:19,233 --> 05:57:20,400
HARVARD LAW PROFESSOR THINKS

11100
05:57:20,400 --> 05:57:22,533
TRUMP COULD BE IMPEACH OVER FAKE

11101
05:57:22,533 --> 05:57:23,166
NEWS ACCUSATIONS.

11102
05:57:23,166 --> 05:57:24,533
MY QUESTION PROFESSOR FELDMAN IS

11103
05:57:24,533 --> 05:57:26,033
SINCE YOU SEEM TO BELIEVE THAT

11104
05:57:26,033 --> 05:57:27,700
THE BASIS FOR IMPEACHMENT IS

11105
05:57:27,700 --> 05:57:29,233
EVEN BROUGHT THAN THE BASIS THAT

11106
05:57:29,233 --> 05:57:30,566
MY DEMOCRATIC COLLEAGUES HAVE

11107
05:57:30,566 --> 05:57:32,533
LAID FORWARD, DO YOU BELIEVE

11108
05:57:32,533 --> 05:57:34,233
YOU'RE OUTSIDE OF THE POLITICAL

11109
05:57:34,233 --> 05:57:35,333
MAINSTREAM ON THE QUESTION OF

11110
05:57:35,333 --> 05:57:35,733
IMPEACHMENT.

11111
05:57:35,733 --> 05:57:37,633
>> I BELIEVE THAT IMPEACHMENT IS

11112
05:57:37,633 --> 05:57:41,633
WARRANTED WHENEVER THE PRESIDENT

11113
05:57:41,633 --> 05:57:43,766
ABUSES HIS POWER FOR PERSONAL

11114
05:57:43,766 --> 05:57:45,566
BENEFIT DURING THE DEMOCRATIC

11115
05:57:45,566 --> 05:57:45,900
PROCESS.

11116
05:57:45,900 --> 05:57:47,166
>> DID YOU WRITE AN ARTICLE

11117
05:57:47,166 --> 05:57:50,966
SAYING IT'S HARD TO TAKE --

11118
05:57:50,966 --> 05:57:51,433
>> YES --

11119
05:57:51,433 --> 05:57:53,433
>> DID YOU --

11120
05:57:53,433 --> 05:57:54,533
>> ONE AT A TIME.

11121
05:57:54,533 --> 05:57:56,833
>> -- HOUSE DEMOCRATS HAVE MADE

11122
05:57:56,833 --> 05:57:58,566
IT PAINFULLY CLEAR THAT

11123
05:57:58,566 --> 05:57:59,466
DISCUSSING IMPEACHMENT IS

11124
05:57:59,466 --> 05:58:01,700
PRIMARILY OR EVEN EXCLUSIVELY A

11125
05:58:01,700 --> 05:58:04,100
TOOL TO WEAKEN PRESIDENT TRUMP'S

11126
05:58:04,100 --> 05:58:04,866
CHANCES IN 2020.

11127
05:58:04,866 --> 05:58:05,866
DID YOU WRITE THOSE WORDS.

11128
05:58:05,866 --> 05:58:09,166
>> UNTIL THIS CALL IN JULY 25TH

11129
05:58:09,166 --> 05:58:11,500
I WAS AN IMPEACHMENT SKEPTIC.

11130
05:58:11,500 --> 05:58:12,733
THE CALL CHANGED MY MIND SIR.

11131
05:58:12,733 --> 05:58:15,233
>> THANK YOU I APPRECIATE YOUR

11132
05:58:15,233 --> 05:58:15,600
TESTIMONY.

11133
05:58:15,600 --> 05:58:19,200
PROFESSOR C KARLAN, YOU GAVE A

11134
05:58:19,200 --> 05:58:20,400
THOUSAND BUCKS TO ELIZABETH

11135
05:58:20,400 --> 05:58:20,833
WARREN, RIGHT.

11136
05:58:20,833 --> 05:58:21,533
>> I BELIEVE SO.

11137
05:58:21,533 --> 05:58:25,400
>> YOU GAVE 1200 BUCKS TO BARACK

11138
05:58:25,400 --> 05:58:27,200
OBAMA, I HAVE NO REASON TO

11139
05:58:27,200 --> 05:58:27,633
QUESTION THAT.

11140
05:58:27,633 --> 05:58:31,733
>> AND YOU GAVE 2,000 BUCKS TO

11141
05:58:31,733 --> 05:58:32,266
HILLARY CLINTON.

11142
05:58:32,266 --> 05:58:32,666
>> YES.

11143
05:58:32,666 --> 05:58:34,966
>> WHY SO MUCH MORE TO CLINTON

11144
05:58:34,966 --> 05:58:35,766
THAN THE OTHER TWO.

11145
05:58:35,766 --> 05:58:37,233
>> BECAUSE I'VE BEEN GIVING

11146
05:58:37,233 --> 05:58:38,000
MONEY TO CHARITY COY.

11147
05:58:38,000 --> 05:58:40,066
>> THOSE AREN'T THE ONLY FOLKS

11148
05:58:40,066 --> 05:58:40,633
YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN TO.

11149
05:58:40,633 --> 05:58:45,400
HAVE YOU EVER BEEN ON A PODCAST

11150
05:58:45,400 --> 05:58:46,266
CALLED VERSUS TRUMP.

11151
05:58:46,266 --> 05:58:48,100
>> I THINK I WAS ON A LIVE PANEL

11152
05:58:48,100 --> 05:58:50,466
THAT THE PEOPLE WHO RAN THE

11153
05:58:50,466 --> 05:58:51,233
PODCAST CALLED VERSUS TRUMP.

11154
05:58:51,233 --> 05:58:53,266
>> ON THAT DO YOU REMEMBER

11155
05:58:53,266 --> 05:58:54,666
SAYING THE FOLLOWING?

11156
05:58:54,666 --> 05:58:56,966
LIBERALS TEND TO CLUSTER MORE.

11157
05:58:56,966 --> 05:58:58,833
CONSERVATIVES ESPECIALLY VERY

11158
05:58:58,833 --> 05:59:01,066
CONSERVATIVE PEOPLE TEND TO

11159
05:59:01,066 --> 05:59:01,733
SPREAD OUT MORE.

11160
05:59:01,733 --> 05:59:02,933
PERHAPS BECAUSE THEY DON'T EVEN

11161
05:59:02,933 --> 05:59:04,266
WANT TO BE AROUND THEMSELVES.

11162
05:59:04,266 --> 05:59:05,566
DID YOU SAY THAT.

11163
05:59:05,566 --> 05:59:08,366
>> YES, I DID.

11164
05:59:08,366 --> 05:59:10,433
>> DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW THAT

11165
05:59:10,433 --> 05:59:11,900
REFLECTS CONTENT ON PEOPLE WHO

11166
05:59:11,900 --> 05:59:12,666
ARE CONSERVATIVE.

11167
05:59:12,666 --> 05:59:13,733
>> NO.

11168
05:59:13,733 --> 05:59:15,466
WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT THERE

11169
05:59:15,466 --> 05:59:18,700
WAS THE NATURAL TENDENCY TO PUT

11170
05:59:18,700 --> 05:59:20,266
THE QUOTE IN CONTEXT, THE

11171
05:59:20,266 --> 05:59:25,433
NATURAL TENDENCY OF A

11172
05:59:25,433 --> 05:59:26,700
COMPACTNESS REQUIREMENT TO FAVOR

11173
05:59:26,700 --> 05:59:28,466
A PARTY WHOSE VOTERS ARE MORE

11174
05:59:28,466 --> 05:59:29,833
SPREAD OUT.

11175
05:59:29,833 --> 05:59:31,466
AND I DO NOT HAVE --

11176
05:59:31,466 --> 05:59:33,833
>> I'M VERY LIMITED ON TIME --

11177
05:59:33,833 --> 05:59:35,200
>> I HAVE --

11178
05:59:35,200 --> 05:59:38,000
>> WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT HOW

11179
05:59:38,000 --> 05:59:38,733
LIBERALS WANT TO BE AROUND EACH

11180
05:59:38,733 --> 05:59:40,733
OTHER AND CLUSTER AND

11181
05:59:40,733 --> 05:59:41,433
CONSERVATIVES DON'T WANT TO BE

11182
05:59:41,433 --> 05:59:43,233
AROUND EACH OTHER SO THEY HAVE

11183
05:59:43,233 --> 05:59:43,766
TO SPREAD OUT.

11184
05:59:43,766 --> 05:59:45,600
YOU MAY SEE THIS FROM THE IVORY

11185
05:59:45,600 --> 05:59:47,233
TOWERS OF YOUR HUH SCHOOL BUT IT

11186
05:59:47,233 --> 05:59:49,233
MAKES ACTUAL PEOPLE IN THIS

11187
05:59:49,233 --> 05:59:49,600
COUNTRY --

11188
05:59:49,600 --> 05:59:50,333
>> WHEN THE PRESIDENT YOUR.

11189
05:59:50,333 --> 05:59:52,333
>> YOU DON'T GET TO INTERRUPT ME

11190
05:59:52,333 --> 05:59:52,766
ON THIS TIME.

11191
05:59:52,766 --> 05:59:54,400
LET ME ALSO SUGGEST WHEN YOU

11192
05:59:54,400 --> 05:59:55,900
INVEHICLE THE PRESIDENT'S SON'S

11193
05:59:55,900 --> 05:59:57,733
NAME HERE WHEN YOU TRY TO MAKE A

11194
05:59:57,733 --> 05:59:59,700
LITTLE JOKE OUT OF REFERENCING

11195
05:59:59,700 --> 06:00:01,200
BARON TRUMP THAT DOES NOT LEND

11196
06:00:01,200 --> 06:00:02,966
CREDIBILITY TO YOUR ARGUMENT, IT

11197
06:00:02,966 --> 06:00:05,033
MAKES YOU LOOK MEAN AND MAKES

11198
06:00:05,033 --> 06:00:07,166
YOU LOOK LIKE YOU'RE ATTACKING

11199
06:00:07,166 --> 06:00:08,200
SOMEONE'S FAMILY THE MINOR CHILD

11200
06:00:08,200 --> 06:00:08,933
OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED

11201
06:00:08,933 --> 06:00:09,266
STATES.

11202
06:00:09,266 --> 06:00:11,433
SO LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET INTO

11203
06:00:11,433 --> 06:00:11,800
THE FACTS.

11204
06:00:11,800 --> 06:00:13,533
TO ALL OF THE WITNESSES, IF YOU

11205
06:00:13,533 --> 06:00:15,166
HAVE PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE OF A

11206
06:00:15,166 --> 06:00:16,266
SINGLE MATERIAL FACT IN THE

11207
06:00:16,266 --> 06:00:19,433
SCHIFF REPORT PLEASE RAISE YOUR

11208
06:00:19,433 --> 06:00:21,000
HAND.

11209
06:00:21,000 --> 06:00:22,700
LET THE RECORD REFLECT NO

11210
06:00:22,700 --> 06:00:23,833
PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE OF A SINGLE

11211
06:00:23,833 --> 06:00:25,233
FACT AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT

11212
06:00:25,233 --> 06:00:27,266
CONTINUES ON THE TRADITION THAT

11213
06:00:27,266 --> 06:00:30,733
WE SAW FROM ADAM SCHIFF WHERE

11214
06:00:30,733 --> 06:00:31,433
AMBASSADOR TAYLOR COULD NOT

11215
06:00:31,433 --> 06:00:34,866
IDENTIFY AN IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE,

11216
06:00:34,866 --> 06:00:38,500
PMR. KENT NEVER REFERENCED THE

11217
06:00:38,500 --> 06:00:41,800
PRESIDENT, FIONA HILL DIDN'T

11218
06:00:41,800 --> 06:00:44,233
MENTION -- COLONEL VINMAN EVEN

11219
06:00:44,233 --> 06:00:45,900
REJECTED THE NEW DEMOCRAT

11220
06:00:45,900 --> 06:00:48,466
TALKING POINT THAT BRIBERY WAS

11221
06:00:48,466 --> 06:00:49,233
INVEHICLED HERE.

11222
06:00:49,233 --> 06:00:51,033
AMBASSADOR VOLKER DENIED THERE

11223
06:00:51,033 --> 06:00:53,066
WAS A QUID PRO QUO AND

11224
06:00:53,066 --> 06:00:53,733
MR. MORRISON SAID THERE WAS

11225
06:00:53,733 --> 06:00:54,433
NOTHING WRONG ON THE CALL.

11226
06:00:54,433 --> 06:00:58,333
THE ONLY DIRECT EVIDENCE CAME

11227
06:00:58,333 --> 06:01:00,266
FROM GORDON SONDLAND WHO CAME

11228
06:01:00,266 --> 06:01:01,033
FROM THE UNITED STATES WHO SAID

11229
06:01:01,033 --> 06:01:03,333
I WANT NOTHING, NO QUID PRO QUO.

11230
06:01:03,333 --> 06:01:05,400
AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT, IF

11231
06:01:05,400 --> 06:01:07,366
WIRETAPPING AND POLITICAL

11232
06:01:07,366 --> 06:01:07,733
APPOINT --

11233
06:01:07,733 --> 06:01:09,500
>> TIME IS EXPIRED --

11234
06:01:09,500 --> 06:01:11,100
>> MAYBE IT'S A DIFFERENT

11235
06:01:11,100 --> 06:01:15,433
PRESIDENT WE SHOULD BE

11236
06:01:15,433 --> 06:01:15,833
IMPEACHING.

11237
06:01:15,833 --> 06:01:17,600
>> YOUR TIME IS EXPIRED.

11238
06:01:17,600 --> 06:01:19,300
>> PROFESSOR FELDMAN LET ME

11239
06:01:19,300 --> 06:01:20,200
STATE THE OBVIOUS.

11240
06:01:20,200 --> 06:01:21,933
IT IS NOT HEARSAY WHEN THE

11241
06:01:21,933 --> 06:01:24,200
PRESIDENT TELLS THE PRESIDENT OF

11242
06:01:24,200 --> 06:01:25,633
UKRAINE TO INVESTIGATE HIS

11243
06:01:25,633 --> 06:01:26,866
POLITICAL ADVERSARY E IS IT.

11244
06:01:26,866 --> 06:01:27,666
>> IT IS NOT.

11245
06:01:27,666 --> 06:01:29,733
>> IT IS NOT HEARSAY WHEN THE

11246
06:01:29,733 --> 06:01:31,433
PRESIDENT CONFESSES ON NATIONAL

11247
06:01:31,433 --> 06:01:32,100
TELEVISION TO DOING IT.

11248
06:01:32,100 --> 06:01:33,466
>> IT IS NOT.

11249
06:01:33,466 --> 06:01:34,666
>> WHEN THEY HEAR THE PRESIDENT

11250
06:01:34,666 --> 06:01:37,166
SAY HE ONLY CARES ABOUT THE

11251
06:01:37,166 --> 06:01:39,766
INVESTIGATIONS OF HIS POLITICAL

11252
06:01:39,766 --> 06:01:40,266
OPPONENTS, IS IT.

11253
06:01:40,266 --> 06:01:41,733
>> NO, THAT IS NOT HEARSAY.

11254
06:01:41,733 --> 06:01:43,266
>> THERE'S LOTS OF OTHER DIRECT

11255
06:01:43,266 --> 06:01:45,166
EVIDENCE IN THIS 300 PAYMENT

11256
06:01:45,166 --> 06:01:46,300
REPORT FROM THE INTELLIGENCE

11257
06:01:46,300 --> 06:01:48,733
COMMITTEE SO LET'S DISPENSE WITH

11258
06:01:48,733 --> 06:01:51,400
THAT CLAIM BY MY REPUBLICAN

11259
06:01:51,400 --> 06:01:53,266
COLLEAGUES.

11260
06:01:53,266 --> 06:01:55,000
PROFESSOR, NOTWITHSTANDING WHAT

11261
06:01:55,000 --> 06:01:57,433
YOU SAID TODAY YOU WROTE A PIECE

11262
06:01:57,433 --> 06:01:59,800
CALLED FIFTH MYTHS ABOUT

11263
06:01:59,800 --> 06:02:00,266
IMPEACHMENT.

11264
06:02:00,266 --> 06:02:02,133
ONE OF THE MYTHS HE WAS

11265
06:02:02,133 --> 06:02:03,233
REJECTING WAS THAT IMPEACHMENT

11266
06:02:03,233 --> 06:02:04,666
REQUIRED A CRIMINAL OFFENSE AND

11267
06:02:04,666 --> 06:02:06,500
HE WROTE AND I QUOTE AN OFFENSE

11268
06:02:06,500 --> 06:02:09,133
DOES NOT HAVE TUNE DID ITABLE.

11269
06:02:09,133 --> 06:02:10,000
SERIOUS MISCONDUCT OR VIOLATION

11270
06:02:10,000 --> 06:02:11,833
OF PUBLIC TRUST IS ENOUGH END

11271
06:02:11,833 --> 06:02:12,133
QUOTE.

11272
06:02:12,133 --> 06:02:13,166
WAS PROFESSOR RIGHT WHEN HE

11273
06:02:13,166 --> 06:02:14,566
WROTE THAT BACK IN 2014.

11274
06:02:14,566 --> 06:02:17,133
>> YES, I AGREE WITH THAT.

11275
06:02:17,133 --> 06:02:17,800
>> OKAY.

11276
06:02:17,800 --> 06:02:20,733
NOW NEXT I MOVE TO PROFESSOR

11277
06:02:20,733 --> 06:02:21,066
KARLAN.

11278
06:02:21,066 --> 06:02:23,300
AT THE CONSTITUTIONAL

11279
06:02:23,300 --> 06:02:24,700
CONVENTION, ELDRIDGE JERRY SAID

11280
06:02:24,700 --> 06:02:26,800
AND I QUOTE FOREIGN POWERS

11281
06:02:26,800 --> 06:02:29,800
IMPLEMENTAL IN OUR AFFAIRS AND

11282
06:02:29,800 --> 06:02:32,066
SPARES NO INFLUENCING THEM.

11283
06:02:32,066 --> 06:02:33,100
IMPEACHMENT WAS NEEDED BECAUSE

11284
06:02:33,100 --> 06:02:35,833
OTHERWISE A PRESIDENT AND I

11285
06:02:35,833 --> 06:02:38,733
QUOTE MIGHT BETRAY HIS TRUST TO

11286
06:02:38,733 --> 06:02:39,733
A FOREIGN POWER.

11287
06:02:39,733 --> 06:02:41,700
CAN YOU ELABORATE WHY THE

11288
06:02:41,700 --> 06:02:43,700
FRAMERS WERE SO CONCERNED ABOUT

11289
06:02:43,700 --> 06:02:45,033
FOREIGN INTERFERENCE HOW THEY

11290
06:02:45,033 --> 06:02:46,200
ACCOUNTED FOR THESE CONCERNS AND

11291
06:02:46,200 --> 06:02:47,700
HOW THAT RELATES TO THE FACTS

11292
06:02:47,700 --> 06:02:48,266
BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE.

11293
06:02:48,266 --> 06:02:50,666
>> THE REASON THAT THE FRAMERS

11294
06:02:50,666 --> 06:02:51,900
WERE CONCERNED ABOUT FOREIGN

11295
06:02:51,900 --> 06:02:53,166
INTERFERENCE I THINK IS SLIGHTLY

11296
06:02:53,166 --> 06:02:54,933
DIFFERENT THAN THE REASON WE

11297
06:02:54,933 --> 06:02:55,200
ARE.

11298
06:02:55,200 --> 06:02:56,300
THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT IT

11299
06:02:56,300 --> 06:02:59,000
BECAUSE WE WERE SUCH A WEAK

11300
06:02:59,000 --> 06:02:59,500
COUNTRY IN 1789.

11301
06:02:59,500 --> 06:03:01,433
WE WERE SMALL, WE WERE POOR, WE

11302
06:03:01,433 --> 06:03:03,466
DIDN'T HAVE AN ESTABLISHED NAVY,

11303
06:03:03,466 --> 06:03:05,600
WE DIDN'T HAVE AN ESTABLISHED

11304
06:03:05,600 --> 06:03:05,900
ARMY.

11305
06:03:05,900 --> 06:03:06,933
TODAY THE CONCERN IS A LITTLE

11306
06:03:06,933 --> 06:03:08,700
DIFFERENT WHICH IS THAT IT WILL

11307
06:03:08,700 --> 06:03:10,333
INTERFERE WITH US MAKING THE

11308
06:03:10,333 --> 06:03:12,133
DECISIONS THAT ARE BEST FOR US

11309
06:03:12,133 --> 06:03:12,600
AS AMERICANS.

11310
06:03:12,600 --> 06:03:14,166
>> THANK YOU, PROFESSOR.

11311
06:03:14,166 --> 06:03:16,400
THERE ARE THREE KNOWN INSTANCES

11312
06:03:16,400 --> 06:03:18,233
OF THE PRESIDENT PUBLICLY ASKING

11313
06:03:18,233 --> 06:03:19,633
A FOREIGN COUNTRY TO INTERFERE

11314
06:03:19,633 --> 06:03:21,033
IN OUR ELECTIONS.

11315
06:03:21,033 --> 06:03:23,666
FIRST IN 2016, THE PRESIDENT

11316
06:03:23,666 --> 06:03:26,000
PUBLICLY HOPED THAT RUSSIA WOULD

11317
06:03:26,000 --> 06:03:27,266
HACK INTO THE E-MAIL OF A

11318
06:03:27,266 --> 06:03:29,700
POLITICAL OPPONENT WHICH THEY

11319
06:03:29,700 --> 06:03:30,700
SUBSEQUENTLY DID.

11320
06:03:30,700 --> 06:03:32,933
SECONDLY BASED ON THE PRESIDENT

11321
06:03:32,933 --> 06:03:35,500
WITH PRESIDENT ZELENSKY HE ASKED

11322
06:03:35,500 --> 06:03:39,433
THEM TO INVESTIGATION HIS CHIEF

11323
06:03:39,433 --> 06:03:42,200
POLITICAL RIVAL AND THIRD THE

11324
06:03:42,200 --> 06:03:43,400
PRESIDENT PUBLICLY URGED CHINA

11325
06:03:43,400 --> 06:03:45,366
TO BEGIN ITS OWN INVESTIGATION.

11326
06:03:45,366 --> 06:03:47,433
PROFESSOR FELDMAN HOW WOULD IT

11327
06:03:47,433 --> 06:03:50,266
IMPACT OUR DEMOCRACY IF IT

11328
06:03:50,266 --> 06:03:51,433
BECAME STANDARD PRACTICE FOR THE

11329
06:03:51,433 --> 06:03:52,166
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

11330
06:03:52,166 --> 06:03:53,800
TO ASK A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT TO

11331
06:03:53,800 --> 06:03:54,500
INTERFERE IN OUR ELECTION.

11332
06:03:54,500 --> 06:03:56,200
>> IT WOULD BE A DISASTER FOR

11333
06:03:56,200 --> 06:03:57,366
THE FUNCTIONING OF OUR DEMOCRACY

11334
06:03:57,366 --> 06:03:59,200
IF OUR PRESIDENT REGULARLY AS

11335
06:03:59,200 --> 06:04:00,833
THIS PRESIDENT HAS DONE ASKED

11336
06:04:00,833 --> 06:04:02,566
FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS TO INTERFERE

11337
06:04:02,566 --> 06:04:03,966
IN OUR ELECTORAL PROCESS.

11338
06:04:03,966 --> 06:04:06,533
>> I WOULD LIKE TO END WITH A

11339
06:04:06,533 --> 06:04:07,466
POWERFUL WARNING FROM GEORGE

11340
06:04:07,466 --> 06:04:09,700
WASHINGTON WHO TOLD AMERICANS IN

11341
06:04:09,700 --> 06:04:11,466
HIS FAIR WELL ADDRESS AND I

11342
06:04:11,466 --> 06:04:14,100
QUOTE TO BE CONSTANTLY AWAKE IN

11343
06:04:14,100 --> 06:04:15,233
HISTORY AND EXPERIENCE PROVE

11344
06:04:15,233 --> 06:04:17,133
THAT FOREIGN INFLUENCE IS ONE OF

11345
06:04:17,133 --> 06:04:19,333
THE MOST BAINFUL FOES OF

11346
06:04:19,333 --> 06:04:20,566
REPUBLICAN GOVERNMENT END QUOTE.

11347
06:04:20,566 --> 06:04:22,700
THE CONDUCT AT ISSUE HERE IS

11348
06:04:22,700 --> 06:04:25,400
EGREGIOUS AND WARMS THE

11349
06:04:25,400 --> 06:04:26,133
COMMENSURATE RESPONSE.

11350
06:04:26,133 --> 06:04:29,000
THE PRESIDENT HAS OPENLY AND

11351
06:04:29,000 --> 06:04:30,466
REPEATEDLY SOLICITED FOREIGN

11352
06:04:30,466 --> 06:04:31,366
INTERFERENCE IN OUR ELECTION.

11353
06:04:31,366 --> 06:04:32,800
OF THAT THERE IS NO DOUBT.

11354
06:04:32,800 --> 06:04:34,900
THIS MATTER OF INVITING FOREIGN

11355
06:04:34,900 --> 06:04:36,066
MEDDLING INTO OUR ELECTION ROBS

11356
06:04:36,066 --> 06:04:37,933
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE OF THEIR

11357
06:04:37,933 --> 06:04:39,433
SACRED RIGHT TO ELECT THEIR OWN

11358
06:04:39,433 --> 06:04:40,700
POLITICAL LEADERS.

11359
06:04:40,700 --> 06:04:41,666
AMERICANS ALL ACROSS THIS

11360
06:04:41,666 --> 06:04:43,433
COUNTRY WAIT IN LONG LINES TO

11361
06:04:43,433 --> 06:04:44,466
EXERCISE THEIR RIGHT TO VOTE AND

11362
06:04:44,466 --> 06:04:46,100
TO CHOOSE THEIR OWN LEADERS.

11363
06:04:46,100 --> 06:04:47,833
THIS RIGHT DOES NOT BELONG TO

11364
06:04:47,833 --> 06:04:49,133
FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS.

11365
06:04:49,133 --> 06:04:51,166
WE FOUGHT AND WON A REVOLUTION

11366
06:04:51,166 --> 06:04:51,600
OVER THIS.

11367
06:04:51,600 --> 06:04:54,433
FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS ARE WHAT

11368
06:04:54,433 --> 06:04:56,400
SEPARATE US AND AUTHORITY

11369
06:04:56,400 --> 06:04:58,666
SERINES ALL OVER THE --

11370
06:04:58,666 --> 06:04:59,800
AUTHORITARIANS ALL OVER THE

11371
06:04:59,800 --> 06:05:00,633
WORLD.

11372
06:05:00,633 --> 06:05:01,866
WE WOULD BE NEGLIGENT IN OUR

11373
06:05:01,866 --> 06:05:02,700
DUTIES UNDER THE CONSTITUTION IF

11374
06:05:02,700 --> 06:05:04,700
WE LET THIS BLATANT ABUSE OF

11375
06:05:04,700 --> 06:05:06,033
POWER GO UNCHECKED.

11376
06:05:06,033 --> 06:05:07,366
WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT HATING

11377
06:05:07,366 --> 06:05:08,400
THIS PRESIDENT.

11378
06:05:08,400 --> 06:05:09,700
IT'S NOT ABOUT HATING THIS

11379
06:05:09,700 --> 06:05:11,200
PRESIDENT IT'S ABOUT OUR LOVE OF

11380
06:05:11,200 --> 06:05:12,300
COUNTRY, IT IS ABOUT HONORING

11381
06:05:12,300 --> 06:05:14,333
THE OATH WE TOOK TO PROTECT AND

11382
06:05:14,333 --> 06:05:15,466
DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THIS

11383
06:05:15,466 --> 06:05:15,900
GREAT COUNTRY.

11384
06:05:15,900 --> 06:05:18,933
AND SO MY FINAL QUESTION IS TO

11385
06:05:18,933 --> 06:05:21,066
PROFESSOR FELDMAN AND TO

11386
06:05:21,066 --> 06:05:23,100
PROFESSOR KARLAN, IN THE FACE OF

11387
06:05:23,100 --> 06:05:24,966
THIS EVIDENCE, WHAT ARE THE

11388
06:05:24,966 --> 06:05:26,133
CONSEQUENCES IF THIS COMMITTEE

11389
06:05:26,133 --> 06:05:29,100
AND THIS CONGRESS REFUSES TO

11390
06:05:29,100 --> 06:05:30,400
MUSTER THE COURAGE TO RESPOND TO

11391
06:05:30,400 --> 06:05:32,733
THIS GROSS ABUSE OF POWER THAT

11392
06:05:32,733 --> 06:05:34,500
UNDER MINES THE NATIONAL

11393
06:05:34,500 --> 06:05:35,200
SECURITY OF THE UNITED STATES,

11394
06:05:35,200 --> 06:05:37,000
THAT UNDERMIND THE INTEGRITY OF

11395
06:05:37,000 --> 06:05:38,600
OUR ELECTION AND UNDERMIND THE

11396
06:05:38,600 --> 06:05:39,800
COMPETENCE WE HAVE TO HAVE IN

11397
06:05:39,800 --> 06:05:41,000
THE PRESIDENT TO NOT ABUSE THE

11398
06:05:41,000 --> 06:05:43,133
POWER OF HIS OFFICE.

11399
06:05:43,133 --> 06:05:44,800
>> IF THIS COMMITTEE AND THIS

11400
06:05:44,800 --> 06:05:46,366
HOUSE FAILED TO ACT THEN YOU'RE

11401
06:05:46,366 --> 06:05:47,366
SENDING A MESSAGE TO THIS

11402
06:05:47,366 --> 06:05:49,433
PRESIDENT AND TO FUTURE

11403
06:05:49,433 --> 06:05:50,500
PRESIDENTS THAT IT'S NO LONGER A

11404
06:05:50,500 --> 06:05:53,466
PROBLEM IF THEY ABUSE THEIR

11405
06:05:53,466 --> 06:05:55,433
POWER, IT'S NO LONGER A PROBLEM

11406
06:05:55,433 --> 06:05:59,266
IF THEY INVITE FOREIGN COUNTRIES

11407
06:05:59,266 --> 06:06:01,333
TO INTERFERE IN OUR ELECTION OR

11408
06:06:01,333 --> 06:06:02,400
PUT COUNTRIES AHEAD OF OURS.

11409
06:06:02,400 --> 06:06:04,100
>> I AGREE WITH PROFESSOR

11410
06:06:04,100 --> 06:06:05,633
FELDMAN AND I SHOULD SAY ONE

11411
06:06:05,633 --> 06:06:07,133
THING AND I APOLOGIZE FOR

11412
06:06:07,133 --> 06:06:08,800
GETTING A LITTLE OVER HEATED A

11413
06:06:08,800 --> 06:06:09,766
MOMENT AGO.

11414
06:06:09,766 --> 06:06:11,433
I HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT

11415
06:06:11,433 --> 06:06:12,400
UNDER THE FIRST AMENDMENT TO

11416
06:06:12,400 --> 06:06:13,233
GIVE MONEY TO CANDIDATES.

11417
06:06:13,233 --> 06:06:15,133
AT THE SAME TIME WE HAVE A

11418
06:06:15,133 --> 06:06:16,366
CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY TO KEEP

11419
06:06:16,366 --> 06:06:17,266
FOREIGNERS FROM SPENDING MONEY

11420
06:06:17,266 --> 06:06:18,933
IN OUR ELECTIONS AND THOSE TWO

11421
06:06:18,933 --> 06:06:23,300
THINGS ARE TWO SIDES OF THE SAME

11422
06:06:23,300 --> 06:06:23,600
COIN.

11423
06:06:23,600 --> 06:06:24,033
>> THANK YOU.

11424
06:06:24,033 --> 06:06:26,366
>> GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK.

11425
06:06:26,366 --> 06:06:26,766
MR. JOHNSON.

11426
06:06:26,766 --> 06:06:27,200
>> THANK YOU.

11427
06:06:27,200 --> 06:06:28,000
I WAS STRUCK THIS MORNING BY THE

11428
06:06:28,000 --> 06:06:29,866
SAME THING AS ALL MY FRIENDS AND

11429
06:06:29,866 --> 06:06:31,466
COLLEAGUES ON THIS SIDE OF THE

11430
06:06:31,466 --> 06:06:31,966
ROOM.

11431
06:06:31,966 --> 06:06:34,266
CHAIRMAN NADLER ACTUALLY BEGAN

11432
06:06:34,266 --> 06:06:35,366
THIS MORNING WITH THE OUTRAGES

11433
06:06:35,366 --> 06:06:36,366
STATEMENT THAT THE FACTS BEFORE

11434
06:06:36,366 --> 06:06:37,633
US ARE UNDISPUTED.

11435
06:06:37,633 --> 06:06:39,466
OF COURSE EVERYONE HERE KNOWS

11436
06:06:39,466 --> 06:06:41,266
THAT THAT'S SIMPLY NOT TRUE.

11437
06:06:41,266 --> 06:06:42,733
EVERY PERSON HERE, EVERY PERSON

11438
06:06:42,733 --> 06:06:45,133
WATCHING AT HOME KNOWS FULL WELL

11439
06:06:45,133 --> 06:06:47,066
THAT VIRTUALLY EVERYTHING HERE

11440
06:06:47,066 --> 06:06:49,533
IS DISPUTED FROM THE FRAUDULENT

11441
06:06:49,533 --> 06:06:51,100
PROCESS AND THE BROKEN PROCEDURE

11442
06:06:51,100 --> 06:06:52,433
TO THE DEMOCRATS UNFOUNDED

11443
06:06:52,433 --> 06:06:53,133
CLAIMS.

11444
06:06:53,133 --> 06:06:55,600
AND THE FULL FACTS ARE OBVIOUSLY

11445
06:06:55,600 --> 06:06:57,133
NOT BEFORE US TODAY.

11446
06:06:57,133 --> 06:06:58,800
WE'VE BEEN ALLOWED NO FACT

11447
06:06:58,800 --> 06:06:59,833
WITNESSES HERE AT ALL.

11448
06:06:59,833 --> 06:07:01,633
FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER THIS

11449
06:07:01,633 --> 06:07:02,933
COMMITTEE WHICH IS THE ONE IN

11450
06:07:02,933 --> 06:07:04,566
CONGRESS THAT HAS THE ACTUAL

11451
06:07:04,566 --> 06:07:06,866
JURISDICTION OVER IMPEACHMENT IS

11452
06:07:06,866 --> 06:07:09,033
BEING GIVEN NO ACCESS TO THE

11453
06:07:09,033 --> 06:07:11,466
UNDERLYING EVIDENCE THAT ADAM

11454
06:07:11,466 --> 06:07:12,466
SCHIFF AND HIS POLITICAL

11455
06:07:12,466 --> 06:07:13,733
ACCOMPLICES CLAIMS SUPPORTS THIS

11456
06:07:13,733 --> 06:07:14,433
WHOLE CHARADE.

11457
06:07:14,433 --> 06:07:16,100
THIS IS JUST A SHOCKING DENIAL

11458
06:07:16,100 --> 06:07:17,833
OF DUE PROCESS AND I WANT TO SAY

11459
06:07:17,833 --> 06:07:19,466
TO OUR WITNESSES I'M ALSO A

11460
06:07:19,466 --> 06:07:20,500
CONSTITUTIONAL LAW ATTORNEY AND

11461
06:07:20,500 --> 06:07:21,433
UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES I

11462
06:07:21,433 --> 06:07:25,000
REALLY WOULD GREATLY ENJOYED AN

11463
06:07:25,000 --> 06:07:26,700
ACADEMIC DISCUSSION WITH YOU, A

11464
06:07:26,700 --> 06:07:28,600
DEBATE ABOUT THE CONTOURS OF

11465
06:07:28,600 --> 06:07:30,333
ARTICLE 2, SECTION 4.

11466
06:07:30,333 --> 06:07:31,466
THAT WOULD BE AN UTTER WASTE OF

11467
06:07:31,466 --> 06:07:33,766
OUR TIME TODAY BECAUSE AS HAS

11468
06:07:33,766 --> 06:07:35,200
BEEN HIGHLIGHTED SO MANY TIMES

11469
06:07:35,200 --> 06:07:36,066
THIS MORE THAN THIS WHOLE

11470
06:07:36,066 --> 06:07:38,233
PRODUCTION IS A SHAM AND

11471
06:07:38,233 --> 06:07:40,300
RECKLESS PATH TO A PREDETERMINED

11472
06:07:40,300 --> 06:07:41,033
POLITICAL OUTCOME.

11473
06:07:41,033 --> 06:07:42,566
I WANT YOU TO KNOW IT'S AN

11474
06:07:42,566 --> 06:07:44,433
OUTCOME THAT WAS PREDETERMINED

11475
06:07:44,433 --> 06:07:46,433
BY OUR DEMOCRAT LEAGUES A LONG

11476
06:07:46,433 --> 06:07:47,433
TIME AWE GOES.

11477
06:07:47,433 --> 06:07:49,033
THE TRUTH IS HOUSE DEMOCRATS

11478
06:07:49,033 --> 06:07:51,500
HAVE BEEN WORKING TO IMPEACHMENT

11479
06:07:51,500 --> 06:07:53,266
DONALD TRUMP SINCE THE DAY TOOK

11480
06:07:53,266 --> 06:07:54,400
HIS OATH OF OFFICE.

11481
06:07:54,400 --> 06:07:56,766
OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS

11482
06:07:56,766 --> 06:07:58,600
THEY'VE INTRODUCED FOUR

11483
06:07:58,600 --> 06:07:59,166
RESOLUTIONS SEEKING TO

11484
06:07:59,166 --> 06:08:00,333
IMPEACHMENT THE PRESIDENT.

11485
06:08:00,333 --> 06:08:03,233
ALMOST TWO YEARS AGO AS THE

11486
06:08:03,233 --> 06:08:07,233
GRAPHICS UP HERE SHOWS DECEMBER

11487
06:08:07,233 --> 06:08:09,333
201658 DEMOCRATS VOTED TO START

11488
06:08:09,333 --> 06:08:09,966
IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS.

11489
06:08:09,966 --> 06:08:11,333
THAT WAS 20 MONTHS BEFORE THE

11490
06:08:11,333 --> 06:08:13,933
JULY 25TH PHONE CALL WITH

11491
06:08:13,933 --> 06:08:14,633
UKRAINE'S PRESIDENT ZELENSKY.

11492
06:08:14,633 --> 06:08:16,066
AND THIS OTHER GRAPHIC UP HERE

11493
06:08:16,066 --> 06:08:17,333
IS SMALLER BUT IT'S INTERESTING

11494
06:08:17,333 --> 06:08:17,600
TOO.

11495
06:08:17,600 --> 06:08:18,966
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO

11496
06:08:18,966 --> 06:08:20,600
REITERATE FOR EVERYBODY WATCHING

11497
06:08:20,600 --> 06:08:22,933
AT HOME THAT OF OUR 24 DEMOCRAT

11498
06:08:22,933 --> 06:08:23,866
COLLEAGUES AND FRIENDS ON THE

11499
06:08:23,866 --> 06:08:26,200
OTHER SIDE OF THE ROOM TODAY, 17

11500
06:08:26,200 --> 06:08:29,533
OUT OF 24 HAVE ALREADY VOTED TO

11501
06:08:29,533 --> 06:08:29,933
IMPEACHMENT.

11502
06:08:29,933 --> 06:08:32,666
SO I MEAN, LET'S BE HONEST.

11503
06:08:32,666 --> 06:08:35,200
LET'S NOT PRE TEND ANYBODY CARES

11504
06:08:35,200 --> 06:08:37,366
ABOUT WHAT'S BEING SAID HERE

11505
06:08:37,366 --> 06:08:39,466
TODAY OR ACTUAL EVIDENCE OR

11506
06:08:39,466 --> 06:08:40,933
CONGRESSMAN WOMAN SAID WE COME

11507
06:08:40,933 --> 06:08:41,866
WITH OPEN MINDS.

11508
06:08:41,866 --> 06:08:42,700
THAT'S NOT HAPPENING HERE.

11509
06:08:42,700 --> 06:08:44,800
SO MUCH FOR AN IMPARTIAL JURY.

11510
06:08:44,800 --> 06:08:46,733
SEVERAL TIMES THIS YEAR LEADING

11511
06:08:46,733 --> 06:08:48,400
DEMOCRATS TO ADMIT IN VARIES

11512
06:08:48,400 --> 06:08:49,600
INTERVIEWS AND CORRESPOND ISENCE

11513
06:08:49,600 --> 06:08:51,466
THEY REALLY BELIEVE THIS ENTIRE

11514
06:08:51,466 --> 06:08:52,466
STRATEGY IS NECESSARY BECAUSE

11515
06:08:52,466 --> 06:08:52,733
WHY?

11516
06:08:52,733 --> 06:08:57,466
BECAUSE THEY WANT TO STOP THE

11517
06:08:57,466 --> 06:08:58,666
PRESIDENT'S RE-ELECTION.

11518
06:08:58,666 --> 06:08:59,766
EVEN SPEAKER PELOSI SAID

11519
06:08:59,766 --> 06:09:01,033
FAMOUSLY LAST MONTH THAT QUOTE

11520
06:09:01,033 --> 06:09:02,366
IT IS DANGEROUS TO ALLOW THE

11521
06:09:02,366 --> 06:09:04,200
AMERICAN PEOPLE TO EVALUATE HIS

11522
06:09:04,200 --> 06:09:06,800
PERFORMANCE AT THE BALLOT BOX.

11523
06:09:06,800 --> 06:09:09,633
SPEAKER PELOSI HAS IT EXACTLY

11524
06:09:09,633 --> 06:09:10,000
BACKWARDS.

11525
06:09:10,000 --> 06:09:11,000
WHAT IS DANGEROUS HERE IS THE

11526
06:09:11,000 --> 06:09:12,700
PRECEDENT ALL THIS IS SETTING

11527
06:09:12,700 --> 06:09:15,200
FOR THE FUTURE OF OUR REPUBLIC.

11528
06:09:15,200 --> 06:09:16,766
I LOVED WHAT PROFESSOR TURLEY

11529
06:09:16,766 --> 06:09:17,600
TESTIFIED TO THIS MORE THAN.

11530
06:09:17,600 --> 06:09:19,433
THIS IS NOT HOW THE IMPEACHMENT

11531
06:09:19,433 --> 06:09:20,366
OF A PRESIDENT IS DONE.

11532
06:09:20,366 --> 06:09:23,033
HIS HUH TORQUAL QUESTION TO OUR

11533
06:09:23,033 --> 06:09:23,933
COLLEAGUES ON THE OTHER SIDE IS

11534
06:09:23,933 --> 06:09:25,733
STILL ECHOING THROUGHOUT THIS

11535
06:09:25,733 --> 06:09:26,066
CHAMBER.

11536
06:09:26,066 --> 06:09:27,500
HE ASKED YOU TO ASK YOURSELF

11537
06:09:27,500 --> 06:09:29,066
WHERE WILL THIS AND WHERE WILL

11538
06:09:29,066 --> 06:09:31,466
YOU STAND NEXT TIME WHEN THIS

11539
06:09:31,466 --> 06:09:33,866
SAME KIND OF SHAM IMPEACH

11540
06:09:33,866 --> 06:09:35,033
PROCESS IS INITIATED AGAINST A

11541
06:09:35,033 --> 06:09:36,133
PRESIDENT FROM YOUR PARTY.

11542
06:09:36,133 --> 06:09:37,800
THE REAL SHAME HERE TODAY IS

11543
06:09:37,800 --> 06:09:39,466
THAT EVERYTHING IN WASHINGTON

11544
06:09:39,466 --> 06:09:41,866
HAS BECOME BITTERLY PARTISAN AND

11545
06:09:41,866 --> 06:09:43,300
THIS UGLY CHAPTER IS NOT GOING

11546
06:09:43,300 --> 06:09:45,133
TO HELP THAT IT'S GOING TO MAKE

11547
06:09:45,133 --> 06:09:47,233
THINGS REALLY THAT MUCH WORSE.

11548
06:09:47,233 --> 06:09:49,533
PREDATORILY SAID EARLIER WE ARE

11549
06:09:49,533 --> 06:09:56,666
NOW LIVING -- PREDATORILY SAID

11550
06:09:56,666 --> 06:09:58,766
TURLEY SAYS -- THIS HAS INDEED

11551
06:09:58,766 --> 06:10:00,666
BECOME AN AGE OF RAGE.

11552
06:10:00,666 --> 06:10:02,266
PRESIDENT WASHINGTON WARNED IN

11553
06:10:02,266 --> 06:10:05,166
HIS FAREWELL ADDRESS IN 1796

11554
06:10:05,166 --> 06:10:07,066
THAT EXTREME PARTISANSHIP WILL

11555
06:10:07,066 --> 06:10:10,866
LEAD US TO THE RUIN OF PUBLIC

11556
06:10:10,866 --> 06:10:11,200
LIBERTY.

11557
06:10:11,200 --> 06:10:12,166
THOSE WERE HIS WORDS.

11558
06:10:12,166 --> 06:10:13,833
THIS IMPEACHMENT IS ONE OF THE

11559
06:10:13,833 --> 06:10:15,433
MOST DEVICE RE AND DESTRUCTIVE

11560
06:10:15,433 --> 06:10:17,033
THING WE COULD POSSIBLY DO TO

11561
06:10:17,033 --> 06:10:18,100
OUR AMERICAN FAMILY.

11562
06:10:18,100 --> 06:10:19,433
LET ME TELL YOU WHAT I HEARD

11563
06:10:19,433 --> 06:10:21,433
FROM MY CONSTITUENTS IN TOWNHALL

11564
06:10:21,433 --> 06:10:23,300
MEETINGS IN MY DISTRICT TWO DAYS

11565
06:10:23,300 --> 06:10:23,566
AGO.

11566
06:10:23,566 --> 06:10:25,100
THE PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTRY IS

11567
06:10:25,100 --> 06:10:26,933
SICK OF THIS, SICK OF THE

11568
06:10:26,933 --> 06:10:28,566
POLITICS OF PERSONAL DESTRUCTION

11569
06:10:28,566 --> 06:10:30,133
THEY ARE SICK OF THIS TOXIC A 59

11570
06:10:30,133 --> 06:10:31,433
MUST FEAR BEING CREATED HERE AND

11571
06:10:31,433 --> 06:10:34,700
THEY ARE DEEPLY CONCERNED WHERE

11572
06:10:34,700 --> 06:10:36,933
ALL THIS JOY TOXIC ATMOSPHERE

11573
06:10:36,933 --> 06:10:38,600
BEING CREATED HERE AND THEY ARE

11574
06:10:38,600 --> 06:10:40,966
DEEPLY CONCERNED WHERE THIS ALL

11575
06:10:40,966 --> 06:10:41,600
GOES.

11576
06:10:41,600 --> 06:10:44,633
WHAT KEEPS US UP AT NIGHT IS THE

11577
06:10:44,633 --> 06:10:45,866
RAPIDLY ERODING TRUST OF THE

11578
06:10:45,866 --> 06:10:47,800
MESH PEOPLE IN THEIR

11579
06:10:47,800 --> 06:10:48,233
INSTITUTIONS.

11580
06:10:48,233 --> 06:10:50,900
ONE OF THE CRITICAL FOUNDATIONS

11581
06:10:50,900 --> 06:10:51,933
OF SELF GOVERNING PEOPLE IS THEY

11582
06:10:51,933 --> 06:10:53,500
WILL MAINTAIN A BASIC LEVEL OF

11583
06:10:53,500 --> 06:10:55,200
TRUST IN THEIR INSTITUTION IN

11584
06:10:55,200 --> 06:10:57,233
THE RULE OF LAW IN THE SYSTEM OF

11585
06:10:57,233 --> 06:11:01,366
JUSTICE, IN THE BY OF ELECTED

11586
06:11:01,366 --> 06:11:01,833
REPRESENTATIVES.

11587
06:11:01,833 --> 06:11:03,333
THEIR CITIZEN LEGISLATORS IN THE

11588
06:11:03,333 --> 06:11:03,700
CONGRESS.

11589
06:11:03,700 --> 06:11:05,766
THE GREATER DANGER OF THIS

11590
06:11:05,766 --> 06:11:06,533
FRAUDULENT IMPEACHMENT

11591
06:11:06,533 --> 06:11:08,100
PRODUCTION IS NOT WHAT HAPPENS

11592
06:11:08,100 --> 06:11:09,966
THIS AFTERNOON OR BY CHRISTMAS

11593
06:11:09,966 --> 06:11:13,066
OR THE ELECTION NEXT FALL THE

11594
06:11:13,066 --> 06:11:15,433
GREATEST DANGER IS WHAT THIS

11595
06:11:15,433 --> 06:11:19,433
WILL DO AHEAD IF OUR SO MANY

11596
06:11:19,433 --> 06:11:21,600
YEARS OF OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT

11597
06:11:21,600 --> 06:11:23,333
WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN OUR

11598
06:11:23,333 --> 06:11:24,300
BELEAGUERED NATIONS DECADES FROM

11599
06:11:24,300 --> 06:11:25,833
NOW IN THE RUINS OF PUBLIC

11600
06:11:25,833 --> 06:11:28,400
LIBERTY BEING CREATED BY THIS

11601
06:11:28,400 --> 06:11:29,800
TERRIBLY SHORTSIGHTED EXERCISE

11602
06:11:29,800 --> 06:11:30,100
TODAY.

11603
06:11:30,100 --> 06:11:30,500
GOD HEN US.

11604
06:11:30,500 --> 06:11:31,433
I YIELD BACK.

11605
06:11:31,433 --> 06:11:34,733
>> YIELDS BACK.

11606
06:11:34,733 --> 06:11:35,166
MR. SWALWELL.

11607
06:11:35,166 --> 06:11:37,400
>> PROFESSOR TURLEY IS A FORMER

11608
06:11:37,400 --> 06:11:37,800
PROSECUTOR.

11609
06:11:37,800 --> 06:11:39,433
I RECOGNIZE THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY

11610
06:11:39,433 --> 06:11:41,466
TRYING TO REPRESENT THEIR

11611
06:11:41,466 --> 06:11:41,800
CLIENT.

11612
06:11:41,800 --> 06:11:42,533
ESPECIALLY ONE WHO HAS VERY

11613
06:11:42,533 --> 06:11:44,033
LITTLE TO WORK WITH IN THE WAY

11614
06:11:44,033 --> 06:11:45,433
OF FACTS AND TODAY YOU'RE

11615
06:11:45,433 --> 06:11:47,366
REPRESENTING THE PRODUCTS IN

11616
06:11:47,366 --> 06:11:48,966
THEIR DEFENSE OF PRESIDENT.

11617
06:11:48,966 --> 06:11:49,600
PROFESSOR YOU --

11618
06:11:49,600 --> 06:11:51,933
>> THAT'S NOT MY INTENTION.

11619
06:11:51,933 --> 06:11:53,800
>> YOU'VE SAID THAT THIS CASE

11620
06:11:53,800 --> 06:11:54,933
REPRESENTS A DRAMATIC TURNING

11621
06:11:54,933 --> 06:11:57,766
POINT IN FEDERAL IMPEACHMENT

11622
06:11:57,766 --> 06:11:59,166
PRECEDENT, THE IMPEACH WHICH

11623
06:11:59,166 --> 06:12:00,966
WILL SHAPE AND DETERMINE FUTURE

11624
06:12:00,966 --> 06:12:01,266
CASES.

11625
06:12:01,266 --> 06:12:02,333
THE HOUSE FOR THE FIRST TIME IN

11626
06:12:02,333 --> 06:12:05,300
THE MODERN ERA ASKS THE SENATE

11627
06:12:05,300 --> 06:12:06,533
TO REMOVE SOMEONE FOR CONDUCT

11628
06:12:06,533 --> 06:12:08,433
FOR WHICH HE WAS NEVER CHARGED

11629
06:12:08,433 --> 06:12:09,866
CRIMINALLY AND IMPROPRIETY OF

11630
06:12:09,866 --> 06:12:11,466
WHICH HAS NEVER BEEN TESTED IN A

11631
06:12:11,466 --> 06:12:12,300
COURT OF LAW.

11632
06:12:12,300 --> 06:12:13,933
BUT THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT A DIRECT

11633
06:12:13,933 --> 06:12:15,466
QUOTE FROM WHAT YOU SAID TODAY.

11634
06:12:15,466 --> 06:12:17,566
IT SOUNDS A LOT LIKE WHAT YOU

11635
06:12:17,566 --> 06:12:19,000
ARGUED TOE THAT'S A QUOTE WHAT

11636
06:12:19,000 --> 06:12:20,833
YOU ARGUED AS A DEFENSE LAWYER

11637
06:12:20,833 --> 06:12:23,300
IN A 2010 SENATE IMPEACHMENT

11638
06:12:23,300 --> 06:12:23,600
TRIAL.

11639
06:12:23,600 --> 06:12:25,533
PROFESSOR, DID YOU REPRESENT

11640
06:12:25,533 --> 06:12:29,833
FEDERAL JUDGE THOMAS PORTEOUS.

11641
06:12:29,833 --> 06:12:31,200
>> I DID INDEED.

11642
06:12:31,200 --> 06:12:33,966
>> AND HE WAS CHARGED IN

11643
06:12:33,966 --> 06:12:37,266
ENGAGING IN A PATTERN OF CONDUCT

11644
06:12:37,266 --> 06:12:38,600
INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE TRUST

11645
06:12:38,600 --> 06:12:40,133
PLACED ON HIM TO ENGAGE IN A

11646
06:12:40,133 --> 06:12:42,200
LONG STANDING PATTERN OF CORRUPT

11647
06:12:42,200 --> 06:12:45,000
CONDUCT THAT DEMONSTRATES HIS

11648
06:12:45,000 --> 06:12:45,766
UNFITNESS TO SERVE AS THE UNITED

11649
06:12:45,766 --> 06:12:47,066
STATES DISTRICT COURT JUDGE.

11650
06:12:47,066 --> 06:12:52,033
ON EACH COUNT JUDGE PORTEOUS WAS

11651
06:12:52,033 --> 06:12:53,800
CONVICTED BY AT LEAST 68 AND UP

11652
06:12:53,800 --> 06:12:56,466
TO THE 6 BIPARTISAN SENATORS.

11653
06:12:56,466 --> 06:12:57,900
THANKFULLY THAT SENATE DID NOT

11654
06:12:57,900 --> 06:12:59,433
BUY YOUR ARGUMENT THAT A FEDERAL

11655
06:12:59,433 --> 06:13:00,666
OFFICIAL SHOULD NOT BE REMOVED

11656
06:13:00,666 --> 06:13:03,466
IF HE IS NOT CHARGED CRIMINALLY.

11657
06:13:03,466 --> 06:13:06,966
AND RESPECTFULLY PROFESSOR, WE

11658
06:13:06,966 --> 06:13:08,166
DON'T BUY IT EITHER.

11659
06:13:08,166 --> 06:13:09,566
WE'RE HERE BECAUSE OF THIS

11660
06:13:09,566 --> 06:13:09,866
PHOTO.

11661
06:13:09,866 --> 06:13:11,466
IT'S A PICTURE OF PRESIDENT

11662
06:13:11,466 --> 06:13:12,933
ZELENSKY IN MAY OF THIS YEAR

11663
06:13:12,933 --> 06:13:14,533
STANDING ON THE EASTERN FRONT OF

11664
06:13:14,533 --> 06:13:16,733
UKRAINE AS A HOT WAR WAS TAKING

11665
06:13:16,733 --> 06:13:18,500
PLACE AND UP TO 15,000

11666
06:13:18,500 --> 06:13:19,200
UKRAINIANS HAVE DIED AT THE

11667
06:13:19,200 --> 06:13:20,933
HANDS OF RUSSIANS.

11668
06:13:20,933 --> 06:13:23,366
I WOULD LIKE TO FOCUS ON THE

11669
06:13:23,366 --> 06:13:24,533
IMPACT OF PRESIDENT TRUMP'S

11670
06:13:24,533 --> 06:13:26,066
CONDUCT, PARTICULARLY WITH OUR

11671
06:13:26,066 --> 06:13:27,600
ALLIES AND OUR STANDING IN THE

11672
06:13:27,600 --> 06:13:27,900
WORLD.

11673
06:13:27,900 --> 06:13:29,833
THIS ISN'T JUST A PRESIDENT AS

11674
06:13:29,833 --> 06:13:33,066
PROFESSOR KARLAN HAS POINTED OUT

11675
06:13:33,066 --> 06:13:34,533
ASKING FOR ANOTHER FOREIGN

11676
06:13:34,533 --> 06:13:35,833
LEADER TO INVESTIGATE A

11677
06:13:35,833 --> 06:13:38,066
POLITICAL OPPONENT.

11678
06:13:38,066 --> 06:13:39,100
IT ALSO IS A PRESIDENT

11679
06:13:39,100 --> 06:13:40,200
LEVERAGING A WHITE HOUSE VISIT

11680
06:13:40,200 --> 06:13:43,233
AS WELL AS FOREIGN AID.

11681
06:13:43,233 --> 06:13:46,166
AS THE WITNESSES HAVE TESTIFIED

11682
06:13:46,166 --> 06:13:47,833
UKRAINE NEEDS OUR SUPPORT TO

11683
06:13:47,833 --> 06:13:49,866
DEFEND ITSELF AGAINST RUSSIA.

11684
06:13:49,866 --> 06:13:51,433
I HEARD DIRECTLY FROM WITNESSES

11685
06:13:51,433 --> 06:13:55,766
HOW IMPORTANT THE VISIT WERE

11686
06:13:55,766 --> 06:13:59,433
PARTICULARLY FROM AMBASSADOR

11687
06:13:59,433 --> 06:13:59,766
TAYLOR.

11688
06:13:59,766 --> 06:14:02,300
>> THESE WEAPONS AND THIS

11689
06:14:02,300 --> 06:14:05,066
ASSISTANCE IS, ALLOWS THE

11690
06:14:05,066 --> 06:14:10,500
UKRAINIAN MILITARY TO DETER

11691
06:14:10,500 --> 06:14:11,833
FURTHER INSURGENCENTS BY THE

11692
06:14:11,833 --> 06:14:15,466
RUSSIANS AGAINST UKRAINIAN

11693
06:14:15,466 --> 06:14:15,833
TERRITORY.

11694
06:14:15,833 --> 06:14:19,400
IF THAT FURTHER ENCOURAGES THEM,

11695
06:14:19,400 --> 06:14:21,100
FURTHER AGGRESSION WERE TO TAKE

11696
06:14:21,100 --> 06:14:23,166
PLACE MORE UKRAINIANS WOULD DO.

11697
06:14:23,166 --> 06:14:25,533
>> PROFESSOR KARLAN, DOES THE

11698
06:14:25,533 --> 06:14:27,266
PRESIDENT'S DECISION TO WITHHOLD

11699
06:14:27,266 --> 06:14:28,600
FROM UKRAINE SUCH IMPORTANT

11700
06:14:28,600 --> 06:14:29,600
OFFICIAL ACTS THE WHITE HOUSE

11701
06:14:29,600 --> 06:14:31,866
VISIT AND MILITARY AID IN ORDER

11702
06:14:31,866 --> 06:14:33,533
TO PRESSURE PRESIDENT ZELENSKY

11703
06:14:33,533 --> 06:14:34,666
RELATE TO THE FAMOUS CONCERNS

11704
06:14:34,666 --> 06:14:37,200
ABOUT ABUSE OF POWER AND

11705
06:14:37,200 --> 06:14:38,566
ENTANGLEMENTS WITH FOREIGN

11706
06:14:38,566 --> 06:14:38,900
NATIONS.

11707
06:14:38,900 --> 06:14:40,700
>> IT RELATES TO THE ABUSE OF

11708
06:14:40,700 --> 06:14:41,233
POWER.

11709
06:14:41,233 --> 06:14:42,300
THE ENTANGLEMENTS WITH FOREIGN

11710
06:14:42,300 --> 06:14:44,133
NATIONS IS A MORE COMPLICATED,

11711
06:14:44,133 --> 06:14:46,800
IS A MORE COMPLICATED CONCEPT

11712
06:14:46,800 --> 06:14:48,666
FOR THE FRAMERS THAN FOR US.

11713
06:14:48,666 --> 06:14:50,466
>> PROFESSOR KARLAN, I THINK

11714
06:14:50,466 --> 06:14:52,700
YOU'D AGREE WE ARE A NATION OF

11715
06:14:52,700 --> 06:14:53,100
IMMIGRANTS.

11716
06:14:53,100 --> 06:14:53,833
>> YES.

11717
06:14:53,833 --> 06:14:56,933
>> TODAY 50 MILLION IMMIGRANTS

11718
06:14:56,933 --> 06:14:59,300
LIVE IN THE UNITED STATES.

11719
06:14:59,300 --> 06:15:01,300
I MOVED BY ONE WHO RECENTLY TOLD

11720
06:15:01,300 --> 06:15:03,500
ME AS I WAS CHECKING INTO A

11721
06:15:03,500 --> 06:15:05,366
HOTEL ABOUT HIS ROMANIAN FAMILY.

11722
06:15:05,366 --> 06:15:08,000
HE CAME HERE FROM ROMANIA AND

11723
06:15:08,000 --> 06:15:10,066
SAID THAT EVERY TIME HE HAD GONE

11724
06:15:10,066 --> 06:15:12,233
HOME HE WOULD ALWAYS TELL HIS

11725
06:15:12,233 --> 06:15:13,433
FAMILY MEMBERS HOW CORRUPT HIS

11726
06:15:13,433 --> 06:15:15,033
COUNTRY WAS THAT HE HAD LEFT AND

11727
06:15:15,033 --> 06:15:16,366
WHY HE HAD COME TO THE UNITED

11728
06:15:16,366 --> 06:15:19,100
STATES AND HE TOLD ME IN SUCH

11729
06:15:19,100 --> 06:15:20,000
HUMILIATING FASHION THAT WHEN HE

11730
06:15:20,000 --> 06:15:22,233
IS GONE HOME RECENTLY.

11731
06:15:22,233 --> 06:15:23,766
THEY NOW WAG THEIR FINGER AT HIM

11732
06:15:23,766 --> 06:15:26,300
AND SAY YOU'RE GOING TO LECTURE

11733
06:15:26,300 --> 06:15:28,000
US ABOUT CORRUPTION.

11734
06:15:28,000 --> 06:15:29,866
WHAT DO YOU THINK PROFESSOR

11735
06:15:29,866 --> 06:15:31,266
KARLAN, DOES THE PRESIDENT'S

11736
06:15:31,266 --> 06:15:32,733
CONDUCT SAY TO THE MILLIONS OF

11737
06:15:32,733 --> 06:15:34,333
AMERICANS WHO LEFT THEIR

11738
06:15:34,333 --> 06:15:35,433
FAMILIES AND LIVELIHOODS TO COME

11739
06:15:35,433 --> 06:15:37,966
TO A COUNTRY THAT REPRESENTS THE

11740
06:15:37,966 --> 06:15:38,800
RULE OF LAW?

11741
06:15:38,800 --> 06:15:40,933
>> I THINK IT SUGGESTS THAT WE

11742
06:15:40,933 --> 06:15:42,366
DON'T BELIEVE IN THE RULE OF

11743
06:15:42,366 --> 06:15:43,166
LAW.

11744
06:15:43,166 --> 06:15:45,133
AND I THINK IT TELLS EMERGING

11745
06:15:45,133 --> 06:15:46,500
TRACK SEES AROUND THE WORLD NOT

11746
06:15:46,500 --> 06:15:48,633
TO TAKE IT SERIOUSLY WHEN WE

11747
06:15:48,633 --> 06:15:51,433
TELL THEM THAT THEIR ELECTIONS

11748
06:15:51,433 --> 06:15:53,833
ARE NOT LEGITIMATE BECAUSE OF

11749
06:15:53,833 --> 06:15:54,900
FOREIGN INTERFERENCE OR THEIR

11750
06:15:54,900 --> 06:15:57,233
ELECTIONS ARE NOT LEGITIMATE

11751
06:15:57,233 --> 06:15:59,766
BECAUSE OF PERSECUTION OF THE

11752
06:15:59,766 --> 06:16:00,633
OPPOSING PARTY.

11753
06:16:00,633 --> 06:16:02,433
I MEAN PRESIDENT BUSH ANNOUNCED

11754
06:16:02,433 --> 06:16:04,766
HE DID NOT CONSIDER THE

11755
06:16:04,766 --> 06:16:11,266
ELECTIONS IN BELLSRUSE TO BE

11756
06:16:11,266 --> 06:16:13,200
VALID FOR THAT REASON BECAUSE

11757
06:16:13,200 --> 06:16:15,233
THEY WENT AFTER POLITICAL

11758
06:16:15,233 --> 06:16:15,600
OPPONENTS.

11759
06:16:15,600 --> 06:16:17,600
>> PROFESSOR TURLEY POINTED OUT

11760
06:16:17,600 --> 06:16:18,800
WE SHOULD WAIT AND GO TO THE

11761
06:16:18,800 --> 06:16:20,166
COURTS BUT YOU WOULD ACKNOWLEDGE

11762
06:16:20,166 --> 06:16:21,033
WE'VE GONE TO THE COURTS AND

11763
06:16:21,033 --> 06:16:22,533
HAVE BEEN IN THE COURSE OVER SIX

11764
06:16:22,533 --> 06:16:23,466
MONTHS MANY TIMES ON MATTERS

11765
06:16:23,466 --> 06:16:25,500
THAT ARE ALREADY SETTLED IN THE

11766
06:16:25,500 --> 06:16:27,800
UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT

11767
06:16:27,800 --> 06:16:29,766
PARTICULARLY U.S. V NIXON WHERE

11768
06:16:29,766 --> 06:16:30,733
THE PRESIDENT SEEMS TO BE

11769
06:16:30,733 --> 06:16:32,633
RUNNING OUT THE CLOCK, IS THAT

11770
06:16:32,633 --> 06:16:32,933
RIGHT?

11771
06:16:32,933 --> 06:16:33,333
>> YES, SIR.

11772
06:16:33,333 --> 06:16:34,033
>> I YIELD BACK.

11773
06:16:34,033 --> 06:16:35,200
>> GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK.

11774
06:16:35,200 --> 06:16:37,933
WE WILL, IN A MOMENT WE WILL

11775
06:16:37,933 --> 06:16:39,266
REALS FOR A BRIEF FIVE MINUTES.

11776
06:16:39,266 --> 06:16:40,866
FIRST I ASK EVERYONE IN THE ROOM

11777
06:16:40,866 --> 06:16:42,700
TO PLEASE REMAIN SEATED AND

11778
06:16:42,700 --> 06:16:44,766
QUIET WHILE THE WITNESSES EXIT

11779
06:16:44,766 --> 06:16:45,500
THE ROOM.

11780
06:16:45,500 --> 06:16:47,433
I ALSO WANT TO REMIND THOSE IN

11781
06:16:47,433 --> 06:16:51,366
THE AUDIENCE THAT YOU MAY NOT BE

11782
06:16:51,366 --> 06:16:53,133
GUARANTEED YOUR SEAT IF YOU

11783
06:16:53,133 --> 06:16:55,433
LEAVE THE HEARING ROOM AT THIS

11784
06:16:55,433 --> 06:17:11,000
TIME.

11785
06:17:11,000 --> 06:17:11,333
FLOWER.

11786
06:17:11,333 --> 06:17:12,066
>> AT THIS TIME THE COMMITTEE

11787
06:17:12,066 --> 06:17:16,000
WILL STAND IN A SHORT RECESS.

11788
06:17:16,000 --> 06:17:18,666
>> AND AS WE JUST HEARD THE

11789
06:17:18,666 --> 06:17:19,500
COMMITTEE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE

11790
06:17:19,500 --> 06:17:25,233
GASTGAVELED TO WHAT WE'RE TOLD S

11791
06:17:25,233 --> 06:17:26,800
GOING TO BE A SHORT RECESS OR

11792
06:17:26,800 --> 06:17:29,433
SHORT BREAK FROM HEARINGS THAT

11793
06:17:29,433 --> 06:17:30,633
STARTED AT 10:00 EASTERN THIS

11794
06:17:30,633 --> 06:17:33,966
MORNING HERE AT THE U.S. CAPITOL

11795
06:17:33,966 --> 06:17:34,566
THEY ARE CONTINUING.

11796
06:17:34,566 --> 06:17:35,866
THERE WAS ONE BREAK THAT LASTED

11797
06:17:35,866 --> 06:17:38,600
ABOUT AN HOUR AND IT LOOKS LIKE

11798
06:17:38,600 --> 06:17:40,800
WITH AT LEAST A DOZEN OR SO

11799
06:17:40,800 --> 06:17:45,066
COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO GO, THIS

11800
06:17:45,066 --> 06:17:46,400
COMMITTEE IS GOING TO BE MOVING

11801
06:17:46,400 --> 06:17:48,400
WELL INTO THE AFTERNOON.

11802
06:17:48,400 --> 06:17:50,933
I'M JUDY WOODRUFF, PBS NEWSHOUR

11803
06:17:50,933 --> 06:17:53,166
HERE IN OUR NEWSHOUR STUDIOS AS

11804
06:17:53,166 --> 06:17:55,366
WE WATCH THIS HEARING, AS WE

11805
06:17:55,366 --> 06:17:57,600
SAID, TAKE A BREAK FOLLOWING IT

11806
06:17:57,600 --> 06:18:01,066
ALL FROM THE CAPITOL.

11807
06:18:01,066 --> 06:18:03,966
LISA DESJARDINS FROM THE WHITE

11808
06:18:03,966 --> 06:18:05,900
HOUSE YAMICHE ALCINDRO HERE WITH

11809
06:18:05,900 --> 06:18:09,633
ME IN THE STUDIO, SOL WISENBERG

11810
06:18:09,633 --> 06:18:11,500
FRANK BOWMAN BOTH ARE ATTORNEYS

11811
06:18:11,500 --> 06:18:13,133
WHO HAVE LOOKED AT THE ISSUE OF

11812
06:18:13,133 --> 06:18:15,266
IMPEACHMENT FROM YOUR DIFFERENT

11813
06:18:15,266 --> 06:18:16,100
PERSPECTIVES, WROTE BOOKS ABOUT

11814
06:18:16,100 --> 06:18:17,866
IT IN THE CASE OF TERRY FRANCONA

11815
06:18:17,866 --> 06:18:18,200
BOWMAN.

11816
06:18:18,200 --> 06:18:21,033
I'M GOING TO COME TO YOU FRANK

11817
06:18:21,033 --> 06:18:21,333
FIRST.

11818
06:18:21,333 --> 06:18:23,466
WE ARE GOING DOWN THE LINE.

11819
06:18:23,466 --> 06:18:25,400
REPUBLICAN DEMOCRAT, REPUBLICAN

11820
06:18:25,400 --> 06:18:28,666
DEMOCRAT, 24 DEMOCRATS, 17

11821
06:18:28,666 --> 06:18:29,333
REPUBLICANS ON THE JUDICIARY

11822
06:18:29,333 --> 06:18:31,466
COMMITTEE AT THIS POINT.

11823
06:18:31,466 --> 06:18:33,566
ARE WE LEARNING MORE ABOUT THE

11824
06:18:33,566 --> 06:18:36,033
STRENGTH OF THE CASE AGAINST THE

11825
06:18:36,033 --> 06:18:36,400
PRESIDENT?

11826
06:18:36,400 --> 06:18:40,233
HOW DO YOU SEE EACH SIDE, EACH

11827
06:18:40,233 --> 06:18:42,733
PARTY USING THIS PART OF THE

11828
06:18:42,733 --> 06:18:43,466
IMPEACHMENT PROCESS.

11829
06:18:43,466 --> 06:18:46,733
>> BY THIS POINT IN THE DAY, I

11830
06:18:46,733 --> 06:18:50,433
THINK WE REACHED THE POINT THAT

11831
06:18:50,433 --> 06:18:53,866
WE'RE NOT GAINING VERY MUCH WITH

11832
06:18:53,866 --> 06:18:56,200
EACH ADDITIONAL ROUND.

11833
06:18:56,200 --> 06:18:58,000
OCCASIONALLY SOME INTERESTING

11834
06:18:58,000 --> 06:19:03,233
POINTS AND GOT YOU MOMENTS WHERE

11835
06:19:03,233 --> 06:19:05,733
ONE PARTY WILL COME UP WITH A

11836
06:19:05,733 --> 06:19:06,700
POLITICAL CONTRIBUTION OR A

11837
06:19:06,700 --> 06:19:07,966
FORMER QUOTE OF ONE OF THE

11838
06:19:07,966 --> 06:19:10,733
WITNESSES TO ILLUSTRATE SOME

11839
06:19:10,733 --> 06:19:12,566
INCONSISTENCY OR POTENTIAL BIAS.

11840
06:19:12,566 --> 06:19:14,400
I'M NOT SURE WE'RE MAKING MUCH

11841
06:19:14,400 --> 06:19:16,000
MORE PROGRESS HERE BECAUSE AFTER

11842
06:19:16,000 --> 06:19:20,200
ALL THE FUNDAMENTAL POINT IS

11843
06:19:20,200 --> 06:19:22,333
PRETTY CLEAR.

11844
06:19:22,333 --> 06:19:24,666
AND I THINK THAT THE LAW

11845
06:19:24,666 --> 06:19:27,300
PROFESSORS HAVE LAID OUT FAIRLY

11846
06:19:27,300 --> 06:19:29,866
CLEARLY WHAT THE PARAMETERS OF

11847
06:19:29,866 --> 06:19:33,200
IMPEACHABLE CONDUCT ARE IN THE

11848
06:19:33,200 --> 06:19:33,633
CONSTITUTION.

11849
06:19:33,633 --> 06:19:35,466
OF COURSE THE PANEL MEMBERS WERE

11850
06:19:35,466 --> 06:19:36,200
SELECTED BY THE DEMOCRATS ARE

11851
06:19:36,200 --> 06:19:37,833
VERY MUCH IN UNISON ON THAT

11852
06:19:37,833 --> 06:19:39,433
POINT BUT EVEN AS I SAID BEFORE

11853
06:19:39,433 --> 06:19:41,400
TODAY EVEN PROFESSOR TURLEY

11854
06:19:41,400 --> 06:19:43,133
DOESN'T BASICALLY DISAGREE WITH

11855
06:19:43,133 --> 06:19:45,000
THEIR ANALYSIS, HE IS SIMPLY

11856
06:19:45,000 --> 06:19:47,466
ARGUING NOW ABOUT THE

11857
06:19:47,466 --> 06:19:51,466
PARTICULARS OF SMALL ITEMS LIKE

11858
06:19:51,466 --> 06:19:53,833
WHETHER BRIBERY ACTUALLY FITS OR

11859
06:19:53,833 --> 06:19:54,966
DOESN'T AND ULTIMATELY HE'S

11860
06:19:54,966 --> 06:19:56,833
MAKING A PROCESS ARGUMENT THAT

11861
06:19:56,833 --> 06:19:57,833
THIS PROCEEDING SHOULD BE LONGER

11862
06:19:57,833 --> 06:20:00,433
AND MORE THOROUGH BEFORE THE

11863
06:20:00,433 --> 06:20:01,033
DEMOCRATS PROCEED.

11864
06:20:01,033 --> 06:20:02,066
CERTAINLY THAT'S A POINT ON

11865
06:20:02,066 --> 06:20:03,466
WHICH I THINK THE REPUBLICANS

11866
06:20:03,466 --> 06:20:05,000
ARE PICKING UP.

11867
06:20:05,000 --> 06:20:07,733
THERE'S SOME JUSTICE IN THAT.

11868
06:20:07,733 --> 06:20:10,000
THEY WOULD HAVE A GREAT DEEM

11869
06:20:10,000 --> 06:20:11,933
MORE JUSTICE OF COURSE -- DEAL

11870
06:20:11,933 --> 06:20:14,000
MORE JUSTICE OF COURSE IF IT NOT

11871
06:20:14,000 --> 06:20:15,266
WERE THE FACT THE WITNESSES

11872
06:20:15,266 --> 06:20:16,933
REALLY MISSING HERE RIGHT AROUND

11873
06:20:16,933 --> 06:20:18,066
THE PRESIDENT HAVE NOT COME DOWN

11874
06:20:18,066 --> 06:20:19,566
BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT'S

11875
06:20:19,566 --> 06:20:22,466
PROHIBITED THEM FROM DOING THAT.

11876
06:20:22,466 --> 06:20:24,933
AND IT IS AT LEAST A LITTLE

11877
06:20:24,933 --> 06:20:26,800
DISAPPOINTING THAT THE

11878
06:20:26,800 --> 06:20:27,733
REPUBLICANS KEEP POUNDING ON THE

11879
06:20:27,733 --> 06:20:31,666
IDEA THAT THE EVIDENCE IS

11880
06:20:31,666 --> 06:20:32,600
WANTING WITHOUT ACKNOWLEDGING

11881
06:20:32,600 --> 06:20:39,666
THE REASON WHY IT'S WANTING AND

11882
06:20:39,666 --> 06:20:41,800
WOULD GIVE IT SOME CREDIBILITY.

11883
06:20:41,800 --> 06:20:44,300
>> PERHAPS SO AND THE FACT

11884
06:20:44,300 --> 06:20:46,800
GATHERING PHASE OF THIS WAS IN

11885
06:20:46,800 --> 06:20:47,766
THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE.

11886
06:20:47,766 --> 06:20:49,066
WE TALKED ABOUT IT EARLIER THIS

11887
06:20:49,066 --> 06:20:51,633
AFTERNOON THERE WAS A SPECIAL

11888
06:20:51,633 --> 06:20:52,766
PROSECUTOR SPECIAL COUNSEL OUT

11889
06:20:52,766 --> 06:20:53,700
THERE CONDUCTING THE

11890
06:20:53,700 --> 06:20:54,133
INVESTIGATION.

11891
06:20:54,133 --> 06:20:57,733
THE INVESTIGATION FELL MAINLY TO

11892
06:20:57,733 --> 06:20:59,433
THE STAFF TO THE HOUSE

11893
06:20:59,433 --> 06:21:00,466
INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE.

11894
06:21:00,466 --> 06:21:02,166
THEY PRESENTED THEIR FACTS BY

11895
06:21:02,166 --> 06:21:03,333
CALLING WITNESSES AND BY GOING

11896
06:21:03,333 --> 06:21:05,633
OVER DOCUMENTS BY PRESENTING A

11897
06:21:05,633 --> 06:21:07,833
RAPPORT WHICH WE JUST HAD

11898
06:21:07,833 --> 06:21:09,666
DELIVERED TO US SEVERAL HUNDRED

11899
06:21:09,666 --> 06:21:11,066
PAGES JUST LAST NIGHT.

11900
06:21:11,066 --> 06:21:14,366
BUT TODAY WHAT WE HAVE ARE FOUR

11901
06:21:14,366 --> 06:21:16,633
LAW PROFESSORS WHO WERE BEING

11902
06:21:16,633 --> 06:21:19,433
ASKED TO TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS

11903
06:21:19,433 --> 06:21:23,133
OF IMPEACHMENT.

11904
06:21:23,133 --> 06:21:26,566
WHAT IMPEACHMENT LOOKS LIKE IN

11905
06:21:26,566 --> 06:21:27,800
AMERICAN GOVERNMENT AND AMERICAN

11906
06:21:27,800 --> 06:21:30,433
HISTORY AND WHETHER WHAT WE HAVE

11907
06:21:30,433 --> 06:21:32,366
WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP CONSTITUTES

11908
06:21:32,366 --> 06:21:33,866
SOMETHING THAT'S AN IMPEACHABLE

11909
06:21:33,866 --> 06:21:34,200
OFFENSE.

11910
06:21:34,200 --> 06:21:34,533
>> YES.

11911
06:21:34,533 --> 06:21:36,333
AND AT SOME POINT YOU REACH THAT

11912
06:21:36,333 --> 06:21:39,166
LAW OF DIMINISHING RETURNS,

11913
06:21:39,166 --> 06:21:44,833
SCJUDYAND THAT'S WHAT PROFESSORS

11914
06:21:44,833 --> 06:21:46,066
TALKING ABOUT THE EYES START TO

11915
06:21:46,066 --> 06:21:47,333
GLAZE OVER IN A WHILE AND THE

11916
06:21:47,333 --> 06:21:49,466
FOLKS IN EACH PARTY ARE GIVING

11917
06:21:49,466 --> 06:21:51,400
SET SPEECHES AND THEY ARE

11918
06:21:51,400 --> 06:21:53,200
ATTACKING IN SOME INSTANCES THE

11919
06:21:53,200 --> 06:21:54,666
WITNESSES OR THEIR PAST

11920
06:21:54,666 --> 06:21:55,766
POSITIONS BUT THEN SAYING SORRY

11921
06:21:55,766 --> 06:21:59,166
YOU DON'T, I'M NOT GOING TO LIT

11922
06:21:59,166 --> 06:21:59,633
YOU RESPOND.

11923
06:21:59,633 --> 06:22:01,266
-- LET YOU RESPOND SO IT BECOMES

11924
06:22:01,266 --> 06:22:02,900
KIND OF RIDICULOUS.

11925
06:22:02,900 --> 06:22:04,433
ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND ALSO

11926
06:22:04,433 --> 06:22:06,433
IS THE REASON WHY I THINK THE

11927
06:22:06,433 --> 06:22:07,866
REASON WHY THE JUDICIARY

11928
06:22:07,866 --> 06:22:11,466
COMMITTEE IS NOT THE MAIN FACT

11929
06:22:11,466 --> 06:22:15,133
FINDING BODY IS THAT THERE WAS A

11930
06:22:15,133 --> 06:22:16,033
DECISION MADE THAT CONGRESSMAN

11931
06:22:16,033 --> 06:22:18,466
SCHIFF IS GOING TO BE MUCH MORE

11932
06:22:18,466 --> 06:22:22,800
EFFECTIVE AS A TV PERSONALITY

11933
06:22:22,800 --> 06:22:23,400
THAN CONGRESSMAN NADLER.

11934
06:22:23,400 --> 06:22:27,366
AND I WONDER IF THAT DECISION

11935
06:22:27,366 --> 06:22:39,833
WAS MADE AFTER THE LEWENDOSKY

11936
06:22:39,833 --> 06:22:41,800
THAT WASN'T HANDLED VERY WELL.

11937
06:22:41,800 --> 06:22:43,666
>> ADAM SCHIFF OF COURSE BEING

11938
06:22:43,666 --> 06:22:44,866
CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE

11939
06:22:44,866 --> 06:22:46,266
INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE WHICH

11940
06:22:46,266 --> 06:22:48,400
HELD THIS HEARINGS A COUPLE

11941
06:22:48,400 --> 06:22:50,100
WEEKS AGO OVER THE FORCE OF A

11942
06:22:50,100 --> 06:22:51,200
NUMBER OF DAYS AND NOW IT'S

11943
06:22:51,200 --> 06:22:53,400
MOVED TO JUDICIARY.

11944
06:22:53,400 --> 06:22:54,033
YAMICHE ALCINDRO HAS BEEN

11945
06:22:54,033 --> 06:22:55,033
FOLLOWING ALL THIS FROM THE

11946
06:22:55,033 --> 06:22:55,666
WHITE HOUSE.

11947
06:22:55,666 --> 06:22:57,166
YAMICHE, THE PRESIDENT IS OUT OF

11948
06:22:57,166 --> 06:22:58,666
THE COUNTRY BUT THE PEOPLE WHO

11949
06:22:58,666 --> 06:23:01,300
WORK FOR THE PRESIDENT, THE

11950
06:23:01,300 --> 06:23:02,400
PEOPLE WHO ARE PURSUING HIS

11951
06:23:02,400 --> 06:23:05,433
CAMPAIGN FOR RE-ELECTION

11952
06:23:05,433 --> 06:23:06,433
FOLLOWING IT VERY CLOSELY.

11953
06:23:06,433 --> 06:23:08,533
>> WE'RE FOLLOWING IT VERY

11954
06:23:08,533 --> 06:23:09,466
CLOSELY AND RESPONDING IN REAL

11955
06:23:09,466 --> 06:23:14,000
TIME AND WHAT WE SEE NOW ARE

11956
06:23:14,000 --> 06:23:15,933
REPUBLICANS SEIZING ON A KEY

11957
06:23:15,933 --> 06:23:17,866
MOMENT, WHEN PAMELA KARLAN A

11958
06:23:17,866 --> 06:23:19,166
PROFESSOR WHO IS TESTIFYING AND

11959
06:23:19,166 --> 06:23:20,500
DEMOCRATIC WITNESS SHE SAID THAT

11960
06:23:20,500 --> 06:23:21,833
PRESIDENT TRUMP COULD NAME HIS

11961
06:23:21,833 --> 06:23:23,466
SON BARON BUT COULD NOT MAKE HIM

11962
06:23:23,466 --> 06:23:23,833
A BARON.

11963
06:23:23,833 --> 06:23:25,500
SHE WAS REFERRING TO THE FACT

11964
06:23:25,500 --> 06:23:27,066
SHE THINKS PRESIDENT TRUMP AT

11965
06:23:27,066 --> 06:23:29,833
TIMES CAN ACT LIKE A KING

11966
06:23:29,833 --> 06:23:31,466
BECAUSE HE'S ABUSING POWER BUT

11967
06:23:31,466 --> 06:23:34,266
MAKING A JOKE ABOUT THE FACT

11968
06:23:34,266 --> 06:23:37,500
THAT TRUMP'S 13 YEAR OLD SON IS

11969
06:23:37,500 --> 06:23:41,066
NAMED BARON AND THAT IS A NOBLE

11970
06:23:41,066 --> 06:23:42,966
TITLE AND SHE WAS SAYING HE

11971
06:23:42,966 --> 06:23:44,666
CAN'T INHERIT THE PRESIDENCY.

11972
06:23:44,666 --> 06:23:46,333
REPUBLICANS ARE SEIZING ON THAT

11973
06:23:46,333 --> 06:23:48,100
SAYING SHE WAS COMPLETELY OUT OF

11974
06:23:48,100 --> 06:23:50,266
LINE AND MATT GAETZ AN ALLY OF

11975
06:23:50,266 --> 06:23:52,133
THE PRESIDENT SAYING SHE WAS

11976
06:23:52,133 --> 06:23:53,800
MEAN AND THIS HIT HER

11977
06:23:53,800 --> 06:23:55,066
CREDIBILITY AND MADE HER NOT

11978
06:23:55,066 --> 06:23:55,433
CREDIBLE.

11979
06:23:55,433 --> 06:23:57,100
WE SAW THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN

11980
06:23:57,100 --> 06:23:58,600
QUICKLY COME OUT WITH A

11981
06:23:58,600 --> 06:23:59,333
STATEMENT AND THAT STATEMENT

11982
06:23:59,333 --> 06:24:03,233
SAID IN PART HUNTER BIDEN VICE

11983
06:24:03,233 --> 06:24:04,400
PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN'S SON IS OFF

11984
06:24:04,400 --> 06:24:06,566
LIMITS BUT A 13 YEAR OLD ISN'T.

11985
06:24:06,566 --> 06:24:08,666
THEY'RE CULLING ON DEMOCRATS TO

11986
06:24:08,666 --> 06:24:09,666
CRITICIZE THIS PROFESSOR AND SAY

11987
06:24:09,666 --> 06:24:11,466
WHAT SHE WAS DOING WAS WRONG.

11988
06:24:11,466 --> 06:24:15,800
THEY ARE ALSO NOW ASKING FOR AN

11989
06:24:15,800 --> 06:24:16,233
APOLOGY.

11990
06:24:16,233 --> 06:24:17,700
WE'RE SEEING FIREWORKS FOR THE

11991
06:24:17,700 --> 06:24:18,900
REPUBLICANS SEIZING ON THIS

11992
06:24:18,900 --> 06:24:21,166
WITNESS SAYING SHE'S OUT OF

11993
06:24:21,166 --> 06:24:22,866
BOUNDS AND THAT DEMOCRATS ARE

11994
06:24:22,866 --> 06:24:23,466
ESSENTIALLY SHOWING NO

11995
06:24:23,466 --> 06:24:25,333
BOUNDARIES BECAUSE THEY ARE

11996
06:24:25,333 --> 06:24:27,000
STILL BATTLING HER AT THIS

11997
06:24:27,000 --> 06:24:27,300
POINT.

11998
06:24:27,300 --> 06:24:28,900
>> CONGRESS ATT GAETZ WHO IS

11999
06:24:28,900 --> 06:24:31,366
KNOWN FOR BEING ONE OF THE MORE

12000
06:24:31,366 --> 06:24:32,733
OUTSPOKEN MEMBERS OF THE

12001
06:24:32,733 --> 06:24:34,966
REPUBLICAN CAUCUS IN THE HOUSE.

12002
06:24:34,966 --> 06:24:36,500
YAMICHE IN FACT HE WENT FURTHER

12003
06:24:36,500 --> 06:24:38,700
AND LOOKED INTO PAM KARLAN'S

12004
06:24:38,700 --> 06:24:40,233
STATEMENTS I GUESS INTERVIEWS

12005
06:24:40,233 --> 06:24:41,733
EARLIER THIS YEAR WHERE AT ONE

12006
06:24:41,733 --> 06:24:44,266
POINT SHE TALKED ABOUT DEMOCRATS

12007
06:24:44,266 --> 06:24:47,433
LIKE TO BE WITH OTHER PEOPLE.

12008
06:24:47,433 --> 06:24:50,900
REPUBLICANS PREFER TO BE BY

12009
06:24:50,900 --> 06:24:52,433
THEMSELVES AND HE ASKED WHAT SHE

12010
06:24:52,433 --> 06:24:55,533
MEANT AND SHE SAID GEOGRAPHY AND

12011
06:24:55,533 --> 06:24:58,100
WHERE DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS

12012
06:24:58,100 --> 06:24:58,400
LIVE.

12013
06:24:58,400 --> 06:24:59,833
YOU CAN SEE THAT MAY WELL BECOME

12014
06:24:59,833 --> 06:25:02,833
AND IS BECOMING A TALKING POINT

12015
06:25:02,833 --> 06:25:05,500
FOR REPUBLICANS.

12016
06:25:05,500 --> 06:25:07,500
LISA DESJARDINS FOLLOWING THE

12017
06:25:07,500 --> 06:25:09,466
HEARING AT THE CAPITOL.

12018
06:25:09,466 --> 06:25:10,200
REPUBLICAN DEMOCRAT REPUBLICAN

12019
06:25:10,200 --> 06:25:13,966
DEMOCRAT TAKING COMPLETELY

12020
06:25:13,966 --> 06:25:15,266
VIRTUALLY OPPOSITE TAKES OF

12021
06:25:15,266 --> 06:25:17,600
VIEWS OF WHAT'S GOING ON AS THEY

12022
06:25:17,600 --> 06:25:20,133
MAKE THEIR FIVE MINUTE STATEMENT

12023
06:25:20,133 --> 06:25:22,433
AND FRANKLY DON'T ASK MANY

12024
06:25:22,433 --> 06:25:22,800
QUESTIONS.

12025
06:25:22,800 --> 06:25:23,433
>> THAT'S RIGHT.

12026
06:25:23,433 --> 06:25:24,733
THERE ARE SOME 20 MEMBERS LEFT

12027
06:25:24,733 --> 06:25:27,366
TO GO IN THIS HEARING BUT I

12028
06:25:27,366 --> 06:25:28,766
THINK AS YAMICHE TALKED ABOUT

12029
06:25:28,766 --> 06:25:31,533
AND YOU ALSO, THIS TOOK A VERY

12030
06:25:31,533 --> 06:25:34,400
PERSONAL TURN IN THIS LAST BIT.

12031
06:25:34,400 --> 06:25:35,733
BOTH FOR SOME OF THE WITNESSES

12032
06:25:35,733 --> 06:25:37,533
LIKE PROFESSOR KARLAN, ALSO FOR

12033
06:25:37,533 --> 06:25:43,433
THE PRESIDENT WITH HIS SON BEING

12034
06:25:43,433 --> 06:25:43,966
INVOKED.

12035
06:25:43,966 --> 06:25:45,666
YOU COULD FEEL IT IN THE ROOM,

12036
06:25:45,666 --> 06:25:48,200
IT WAS MORE POLITICAL AND

12037
06:25:48,200 --> 06:25:48,566
UNSEEMLY.

12038
06:25:48,566 --> 06:25:49,366
IN THE END WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE

12039
06:25:49,366 --> 06:25:50,166
BALL MOVE.

12040
06:25:50,166 --> 06:25:50,933
THESE ARE WITNESSES CONTINUING

12041
06:25:50,933 --> 06:25:52,766
TO MAKE THE SAME ARGUMENTS.

12042
06:25:52,766 --> 06:25:57,333
I WILL SAY WE HAVE A WHAT'S

12043
06:25:57,333 --> 06:25:58,733
NEXT, SPEAKING TO MEMBERS

12044
06:25:58,733 --> 06:26:01,833
OUTSIDE OF THE VOTE THAT

12045
06:26:01,833 --> 06:26:05,466
HAPPENED EARLIER AND TED DEUTCH

12046
06:26:05,466 --> 06:26:07,500
AND OTHERS TOLD HER THERE WILL

12047
06:26:07,500 --> 06:26:09,400
BE HEARINGS NEXT WEEK AND

12048
06:26:09,400 --> 06:26:11,166
WHETHER OR NOT TO INCLUDE

12049
06:26:11,166 --> 06:26:13,300
MUELLER RELATED ITEMS LIKE

12050
06:26:13,300 --> 06:26:15,433
OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE IN THE

12051
06:26:15,433 --> 06:26:16,866
MUELLER REPORT IS PART OF IT.

12052
06:26:16,866 --> 06:26:19,300
HE'S NOT DECIDED BUT IT'S

12053
06:26:19,300 --> 06:26:20,000
SOMETHING THEY ARE DISCUSSING.

12054
06:26:20,000 --> 06:26:20,966
REALLY THIS IS KIND OF AN

12055
06:26:20,966 --> 06:26:23,066
OPENING HEARING BUT WE DON'T

12056
06:26:23,066 --> 06:26:23,933
KNOW HOW MANY MORE HEARINGS

12057
06:26:23,933 --> 06:26:26,133
AFTER THIS WILL BE BUT THERE'S

12058
06:26:26,133 --> 06:26:26,800
REPORTING THAT THERE WILL BE

12059
06:26:26,800 --> 06:26:28,133
MORE WE JUST DON'T KNOW EXACTLY

12060
06:26:28,133 --> 06:26:29,833
WHAT THOSE WILL INCLUDE.

12061
06:26:29,833 --> 06:26:31,766
WE ALSO DON'T KNOW IF THEY WILL

12062
06:26:31,766 --> 06:26:32,733
INCLUDE THE PRESIDENT JUDICIAL

12063
06:26:32,733 --> 06:26:34,033
IT'S INTERESTING YOU SAY THAT.

12064
06:26:34,033 --> 06:26:36,900
I'M LOOKING BACK AT WHAT

12065
06:26:36,900 --> 06:26:38,333
CHAIRMAN JERRY NADLER SAID IN

12066
06:26:38,333 --> 06:26:39,333
HIS OPENING STATEMENT THIS

12067
06:26:39,333 --> 06:26:41,133
MORNING WHICH KICKED OFF THE

12068
06:26:41,133 --> 06:26:41,466
HEARING.

12069
06:26:41,466 --> 06:26:42,733
HE SAID OF COURSE THIS ISN'T THE

12070
06:26:42,733 --> 06:26:44,666
FIRST TIME PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS

12071
06:26:44,666 --> 06:26:46,800
ENGAGED IN THIS PATTERN OF

12072
06:26:46,800 --> 06:26:47,133
CONDUCT.

12073
06:26:47,133 --> 06:26:48,766
HE WENT ON TO SAY IN 2016 THE

12074
06:26:48,766 --> 06:26:50,333
RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT ENGAGED IN A

12075
06:26:50,333 --> 06:26:52,633
SWEEPING AND SYSTEMATIC CAMPAIGN

12076
06:26:52,633 --> 06:26:54,100
OF INTERFERENCE IN OUR

12077
06:26:54,100 --> 06:26:54,466
ELECTIONS.

12078
06:26:54,466 --> 06:26:56,433
HE SAYS IN THE WORDS OF SPECIAL

12079
06:26:56,433 --> 06:26:58,566
COUNSEL ROBERT MUELLER, THE

12080
06:26:58,566 --> 06:26:59,833
RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT PERCEIVED IT

12081
06:26:59,833 --> 06:27:02,533
WOULD BENEFIT FROM A TRUMP

12082
06:27:02,533 --> 06:27:04,100
PRESIDENCY AND WORKED TO SECURE

12083
06:27:04,100 --> 06:27:04,600
THAT OUTCOME.

12084
06:27:04,600 --> 06:27:06,833
THE PRESIDENT WELL COME THAT

12085
06:27:06,833 --> 06:27:07,266
INTERFERENCE.

12086
06:27:07,266 --> 06:27:09,000
SO THERE IS A HINT OR A

12087
06:27:09,000 --> 06:27:09,900
SUGGESTION, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO

12088
06:27:09,900 --> 06:27:11,900
CALL IT THEN THAT THIS IS A

12089
06:27:11,900 --> 06:27:13,433
COMMITTEE OR AT LEAST A

12090
06:27:13,433 --> 06:27:14,866
COMMITTEE LEADERSHIP THAT IS

12091
06:27:14,866 --> 06:27:17,200
LOOKING BACK AT WHAT ROBERT

12092
06:27:17,200 --> 06:27:17,633
MUELLER FOUND.

12093
06:27:17,633 --> 06:27:18,733
>> THAT'S RIGHT.

12094
06:27:18,733 --> 06:27:21,433
AND THIS IS SOMEWHAT OF AN OPEN

12095
06:27:21,433 --> 06:27:22,733
INTERNAL BATTLE FOR DEMOCRATS

12096
06:27:22,733 --> 06:27:25,366
AND IT HAS TO DO NOT JUST WITH

12097
06:27:25,366 --> 06:27:26,533
PHILOSOPHY AND HOW YOU LOOK AT

12098
06:27:26,533 --> 06:27:29,066
THE MUELLER REPORT BUT ALSO SOME

12099
06:27:29,066 --> 06:27:29,966
DEGREE TURF.

12100
06:27:29,966 --> 06:27:31,466
THE MUELLER REPORT WAS LED BY

12101
06:27:31,466 --> 06:27:33,900
THIS COMMITTEE, THE JUDICIARY

12102
06:27:33,900 --> 06:27:34,266
COMMITTEE.

12103
06:27:34,266 --> 06:27:35,000
THEY WERE THE LEADING COMMITTEE

12104
06:27:35,000 --> 06:27:36,033
ON IMPEACHMENT FOR SO LONG WHEN

12105
06:27:36,033 --> 06:27:37,600
IT WAS ABOUT THE MUELLER REPORT.

12106
06:27:37,600 --> 06:27:39,533
ALL OF THESE MEMBERS KNOW THAT

12107
06:27:39,533 --> 06:27:41,966
REPORT VERY WELL.

12108
06:27:41,966 --> 06:27:43,266
THEY QUESTIONED ROBERT MUELLER.

12109
06:27:43,266 --> 06:27:44,500
BUT THEN THE UKRAINE ITEM CAME

12110
06:27:44,500 --> 06:27:46,966
UP AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THE

12111
06:27:46,966 --> 06:27:47,700
ENTIRE QUESTION OF IMPEACHMENT

12112
06:27:47,700 --> 06:27:49,766
MOVED AWAY FROM THIS COMMITTEE

12113
06:27:49,766 --> 06:27:51,800
BECAME THE PURVIEW OF HOUSE

12114
06:27:51,800 --> 06:27:52,233
INTELLIGENCE.

12115
06:27:52,233 --> 06:27:53,033
SO THIS IS A COMMITTEE THAT SORT

12116
06:27:53,033 --> 06:27:54,933
OF KNOWS THIS TERRITORY OF THE

12117
06:27:54,933 --> 06:27:56,500
MUELLER REPORT WELL AND THERE'S

12118
06:27:56,500 --> 06:27:58,133
A LOT OF SENTIMENT THAT THEY

12119
06:27:58,133 --> 06:27:59,166
NEED TO PURSUE IT.

12120
06:27:59,166 --> 06:28:01,633
OTHER DEMOCRATS THINK THAT'S A

12121
06:28:01,633 --> 06:28:02,200
MISTAKE POLITICALLY.

12122
06:28:02,200 --> 06:28:04,133
THEY ARE CAREFULLY WOIPG THAT

12123
06:28:04,133 --> 06:28:04,400
OUT.

12124
06:28:04,400 --> 06:28:07,866
>> IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT LISA THEY

12125
06:28:07,866 --> 06:28:10,900
HAVEN'T MAID A FINAL DECISION ON

12126
06:28:10,900 --> 06:28:11,766
WHETHER TO EXPAND.

12127
06:28:11,766 --> 06:28:14,400
>> THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD.

12128
06:28:14,400 --> 06:28:15,466
BUT THEY'RE KEEPING THAT OPTION

12129
06:28:15,466 --> 06:28:21,000
ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW.

12130
06:28:21,000 --> 06:28:23,233
>> I WANT TO QUICKLY TURN TO SOL

12131
06:28:23,233 --> 06:28:24,066
AND FRANK.

12132
06:28:24,066 --> 06:28:25,700
DOES IT STRENGTHEN THE CASE IF

12133
06:28:25,700 --> 06:28:28,566
THEY TRY TO GO BACK AND PULL IN

12134
06:28:28,566 --> 06:28:30,966
THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION OR THE

12135
06:28:30,966 --> 06:28:33,133
MUELLER REPORT, WHETHER IT'S

12136
06:28:33,133 --> 06:28:34,100
INVITING INTERFERENCE AS

12137
06:28:34,100 --> 06:28:36,066
CHAIRMAN NADLER SAID OR

12138
06:28:36,066 --> 06:28:38,000
OBSTRUCTING WHICH IS PART OF THE

12139
06:28:38,000 --> 06:28:38,633
MUELLER REPORT.

12140
06:28:38,633 --> 06:28:41,833
>> WELL, I THINK YOU HAVE TO

12141
06:28:41,833 --> 06:28:44,900
GISH DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE FIT

12142
06:28:44,900 --> 06:28:45,633
PART OF THE MUELLER REPORT AND

12143
06:28:45,633 --> 06:28:46,766
THE SECOND PART.

12144
06:28:46,766 --> 06:28:49,466
BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE VERY

12145
06:28:49,466 --> 06:28:50,266
FOOLISH TO INCLUDE ANYTHING FROM

12146
06:28:50,266 --> 06:28:52,000
THE FIRST SECTION BECAUSE I

12147
06:28:52,000 --> 06:28:54,833
CONSIDER IT TO BE AS A WHITE

12148
06:28:54,833 --> 06:28:55,700
COLLAR CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY

12149
06:28:55,700 --> 06:28:57,866
WHEN THE PROSECUTOR CANNOT EVEN

12150
06:28:57,866 --> 06:29:00,100
FIND PROBABLE CAUSE FOR A CRIME

12151
06:29:00,100 --> 06:29:02,633
THAT IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE

12152
06:29:02,633 --> 06:29:03,133
STANDARD WAS.

12153
06:29:03,133 --> 06:29:05,800
I CONSIDER IT A TOTAL

12154
06:29:05,800 --> 06:29:08,266
EXONERATION IN TERMS OF CRIMINAL

12155
06:29:08,266 --> 06:29:09,266
MISCONDUCT FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP.

12156
06:29:09,266 --> 06:29:11,900
I THINK IT WOULD BE A BIG

12157
06:29:11,900 --> 06:29:12,233
MISTAKE.

12158
06:29:12,233 --> 06:29:13,733
WITH RESPECT TO OBSTRUCTION, IF

12159
06:29:13,733 --> 06:29:16,500
YOU BELIEVE THAT THERE IS

12160
06:29:16,500 --> 06:29:17,300
IMPEACHABLE BEHAVIOR IN THE

12161
06:29:17,300 --> 06:29:18,733
SECOND PART OF THE MUELLER

12162
06:29:18,733 --> 06:29:19,900
REPORT, THE OBSTRUCTION PART,

12163
06:29:19,900 --> 06:29:22,400
THERE CERTAINLY IS AS I'VE SAID

12164
06:29:22,400 --> 06:29:25,200
MANY TIMES BEFORE REPREHENSIBLE

12165
06:29:25,200 --> 06:29:25,866
BEHAVIOR BY THE PRESIDENT.

12166
06:29:25,866 --> 06:29:27,966
I THINK IT WOULD BE FOOLISH NOT

12167
06:29:27,966 --> 06:29:28,533
TO INCLUDE IT.

12168
06:29:28,533 --> 06:29:30,800
JUST AS A MATTER OF TACTICS

12169
06:29:30,800 --> 06:29:31,900
BECAUSE IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT

12170
06:29:31,900 --> 06:29:33,100
WHAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO,

12171
06:29:33,100 --> 06:29:35,233
THAT WOULD BE THE RIGHT THING TO

12172
06:29:35,233 --> 06:29:35,500
DO.

12173
06:29:35,500 --> 06:29:41,900
KKEEP IN MIND, THE PRESIDENT TOD

12174
06:29:41,900 --> 06:29:43,100
DON MCGAHN ESSENTIALLY --

12175
06:29:43,100 --> 06:29:45,466
>> HIS LAWYER, HIS WHITE HOUSE

12176
06:29:45,466 --> 06:29:45,800
LAWYER.

12177
06:29:45,800 --> 06:29:47,400
>> HIS WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL, NOT

12178
06:29:47,400 --> 06:29:49,300
HIS PERSONAL LAWYER TO TAKE

12179
06:29:49,300 --> 06:29:50,966
ACTIONS THAT WOULD RESULT IN THE

12180
06:29:50,966 --> 06:29:52,433
FIRING OF MUELLER AND THEN LATER

12181
06:29:52,433 --> 06:29:54,933
HE WANT, WHEN HE FOUND OUT, WHEN

12182
06:29:54,933 --> 06:29:56,766
HE SAW A NEWSPAPER STORY ABOUT

12183
06:29:56,766 --> 06:29:59,600
THAT STATING THAT FACT, HE ASKED

12184
06:29:59,600 --> 06:30:02,300
MCGAHN TO ISSUE A WRITTEN

12185
06:30:02,300 --> 06:30:04,233
STATEMENT FOR OUR FILES DENYING

12186
06:30:04,233 --> 06:30:05,633
THAT IT HAPPENED.

12187
06:30:05,633 --> 06:30:07,266
THAT'S VERY SERIOUS CONDUCT.

12188
06:30:07,266 --> 06:30:11,066
>> AND KNOWING THAT, HOW DO YOU

12189
06:30:11,066 --> 06:30:16,733
SEE IT, INF FRANK BE HANNAH.

12190
06:30:16,733 --> 06:30:18,866
IS EXPANDING THIS MOMENT AFTER

12191
06:30:18,866 --> 06:30:21,000
THE HOUSE DECLINED TO PURSUE

12192
06:30:21,000 --> 06:30:24,500
THAT AS GROUNDS FOR IMPEACHMENT,

12193
06:30:24,500 --> 06:30:25,766
BELIEVES THERE ARE GROUNDS BASED

12194
06:30:25,766 --> 06:30:27,133
ON WHAT HAPPENED WITH UKRAINE TO

12195
06:30:27,133 --> 06:30:28,433
NOW GO BACK AND REACH BACK TO

12196
06:30:28,433 --> 06:30:29,766
THE MUELLER REPORT.

12197
06:30:29,766 --> 06:30:30,666
DOES THAT STRENGTHEN THEIR CASE

12198
06:30:30,666 --> 06:30:31,433
OR NOT?

12199
06:30:31,433 --> 06:30:35,366
>> WELL, I AGREE I THINK WITH

12200
06:30:35,366 --> 06:30:36,700
SOL ON THE SUBSTANCE WHAT I

12201
06:30:36,700 --> 06:30:37,800
WOULD SAY AND IT'S A CONCERN

12202
06:30:37,800 --> 06:30:39,033
I'VE HAD ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR

12203
06:30:39,033 --> 06:30:41,966
HEARING SINCE IT WAS FIRST

12204
06:30:41,966 --> 06:30:42,333
ANNOUNCED.

12205
06:30:42,333 --> 06:30:45,233
I THINK THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE

12206
06:30:45,233 --> 06:30:47,400
IS PROCEEDING BACKWARDS HERE.

12207
06:30:47,400 --> 06:30:49,133
IN THIS RESPECT I THINK SOME OF

12208
06:30:49,133 --> 06:30:51,400
THE REPUBLICAN COMPLAINTS ARE

12209
06:30:51,400 --> 06:30:51,966
ENTIRELY JUSTIFIED.

12210
06:30:51,966 --> 06:30:54,100
I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE THIS

12211
06:30:54,100 --> 06:30:56,700
HEARING WITH THESE EXPERTS OR

12212
06:30:56,700 --> 06:30:58,566
ANYONE LIKE THEM UNTIL YOU AS

12213
06:30:58,566 --> 06:31:00,833
THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE HAVE

12214
06:31:00,833 --> 06:31:06,033
DECIDED WHAT'S THE SCOPE OF YOUR

12215
06:31:06,033 --> 06:31:07,933
LIKELY IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES.

12216
06:31:07,933 --> 06:31:09,333
WHAT ARE THE THEORIES ON WHICH

12217
06:31:09,333 --> 06:31:10,966
YOU'RE GOING TO PROCEED.

12218
06:31:10,966 --> 06:31:13,100
YOU DECIDE THAT INTERNALLY, I

12219
06:31:13,100 --> 06:31:13,400
THINK.

12220
06:31:13,400 --> 06:31:15,400
I THINK YOU DON'T JUST ROLL THE

12221
06:31:15,400 --> 06:31:17,133
BALL OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE

12222
06:31:17,133 --> 06:31:21,266
HEARING ROOM AND ASK A SET OF

12223
06:31:21,266 --> 06:31:21,966
CONSTITUTIONAL LAW PROFESSORS

12224
06:31:21,966 --> 06:31:23,400
WHAT THEY THINK ABOUTT.

12225
06:31:23,400 --> 06:31:25,000
THIS SHOULD I THINK THE

12226
06:31:25,000 --> 06:31:26,033
REPUBLICANS ARE RIGHT THAT THIS

12227
06:31:26,033 --> 06:31:28,433
IS A HEARING IF IT'S GOING TO

12228
06:31:28,433 --> 06:31:29,566
HAPPEN, IT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED

12229
06:31:29,566 --> 06:31:31,433
LATER ONCE THE COMMITTEE HAD

12230
06:31:31,433 --> 06:31:32,766
MADE UP ITS DARNED MIND.

12231
06:31:32,766 --> 06:31:34,900
AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE

12232
06:31:34,900 --> 06:31:37,966
ELIMINATED A LOT OF THIS

12233
06:31:37,966 --> 06:31:39,733
DISTRACTING, IF IT'S NOT THIS,

12234
06:31:39,733 --> 06:31:40,266
IT'S THAT.

12235
06:31:40,266 --> 06:31:45,233
AND SO FORTH AND SO ON.

12236
06:31:45,233 --> 06:31:48,866
TO ANSWER YOUR SORT OF TACTICAL

12237
06:31:48,866 --> 06:31:50,433
QUESTION, THE THING ABOUT ANY

12238
06:31:50,433 --> 06:31:51,200
IMPEACHMENT AND CERTAINLY ABOUT

12239
06:31:51,200 --> 06:31:54,100
THIS ONE IS ULTIMATELY IT'S A

12240
06:31:54,100 --> 06:31:54,933
PERSUASIVE EXERCISE.

12241
06:31:54,933 --> 06:31:56,866
BECAUSE AS WE TALKED ABOUT

12242
06:31:56,866 --> 06:31:57,766
EARLIER, IT'S POLITICAL IN THE

12243
06:31:57,766 --> 06:31:59,733
SENSE THAT IT RESTS IN THE

12244
06:31:59,733 --> 06:32:01,800
POLITICAL BRANCHES AND THEY

12245
06:32:01,800 --> 06:32:02,833
THEMSELVES ARE ALWAYS GOING TO

12246
06:32:02,833 --> 06:32:06,100
BE LOOKING TO THEIR VOTERS.

12247
06:32:06,100 --> 06:32:09,766
AND THAT MEANS IF AN IMPEACHMENT

12248
06:32:09,766 --> 06:32:11,666
IS TO HAPPEN, THIS PROCESS MUST

12249
06:32:11,666 --> 06:32:12,900
CONVINCE THE VOTERS AND THE WAY

12250
06:32:12,900 --> 06:32:14,900
TO DO THAT IS NOT I THINK TO

12251
06:32:14,900 --> 06:32:17,633
HAVE AN ACADEMIC EXCHANGE BEFORE

12252
06:32:17,633 --> 06:32:20,166
YOU MADE UP YOUR MIND ABOUT WHAT

12253
06:32:20,166 --> 06:32:20,600
YOU'RE DOING.

12254
06:32:20,600 --> 06:32:23,400
>> YOU SEE CHAIRMAN JERRY NADLER

12255
06:32:23,400 --> 06:32:26,166
COMING BACK TO HIS SEAT IN THE

12256
06:32:26,166 --> 06:32:30,100
HOUSE JE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE.

12257
06:32:30,100 --> 06:32:31,933
HE ASKED FOR A SHORT BREAK AND

12258
06:32:31,933 --> 06:32:34,133
IT LOOKS LIKE HE MEANT IT.

12259
06:32:34,133 --> 06:32:35,433
OUR TELEVISION COVERAGE OF THESE

12260
06:32:35,433 --> 06:32:36,466
HEARINGS IS GOING TO CONTINUE

12261
06:32:36,466 --> 06:32:38,100
FOR A FEW MORE MINUTES AND THEN

12262
06:32:38,100 --> 06:32:39,766
WE'RE GOING TO SWITCH OVER TO

12263
06:32:39,766 --> 06:32:41,200
DIGITAL COVERAGE BUT WE'RE NOT

12264
06:32:41,200 --> 06:32:42,766
READY TO DO THAT YET.

12265
06:32:42,766 --> 06:32:44,800
WE'RE STAYING WITH TELEVISION

12266
06:32:44,800 --> 06:32:45,866
FOR RIGHT NOW.

12267
06:32:45,866 --> 06:32:46,800
BUT I'M LISTENING TO THE GAVEL

12268
06:32:46,800 --> 06:32:48,700
AND I THINK I HEARD IT JUST

12269
06:32:48,700 --> 06:32:49,100
THEN.

12270
06:32:49,100 --> 06:32:50,566
DID I?

12271
06:32:50,566 --> 06:32:51,400
NOT YET.

12272
06:32:51,400 --> 06:32:53,766
SOL WISENBERG, IT IS QUITE

12273
06:32:53,766 --> 06:32:56,300
SOMETHING TO SEE A COMMITTEE

12274
06:32:56,300 --> 06:32:59,433
THAT'S STILL ACCORDING TO LISA

12275
06:32:59,433 --> 06:33:01,333
DESJARDINS REPORTING, STILL

12276
06:33:01,333 --> 06:33:02,600
UNDECIDED ABOUT HOW TO MOVE

12277
06:33:02,600 --> 06:33:03,166
AHEAD ON THIS.

12278
06:33:03,166 --> 06:33:04,933
>> YES.

12279
06:33:04,933 --> 06:33:05,966
NOT A GOOD SIGN.

12280
06:33:05,966 --> 06:33:07,833
YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF SHOWING

12281
06:33:07,833 --> 06:33:08,800
THAT YOU'RE IN CONTROL AND

12282
06:33:08,800 --> 06:33:10,533
YOU'VE GOT A PLAN.

12283
06:33:10,533 --> 06:33:11,866
JUST THE WHOLE WAY IT'S BEEN

12284
06:33:11,866 --> 06:33:12,733
PLIGHT UP.

12285
06:33:12,733 --> 06:33:14,766
>> MEETING WILL COME TO ORDER.

12286
06:33:14,766 --> 06:33:19,300
>> WE ARE MOVING NOW BACK TO THE

12287
06:33:19,300 --> 06:33:19,633
HEARING.

12288
06:33:19,633 --> 06:33:22,633
OUR LIVE TELEVISION COVERAGE

12289
06:33:22,633 --> 06:33:23,333
WILL CONTINUE.

12290
06:33:23,333 --> 06:33:25,233
WE'RE GOING TO BE CARRYING THE

12291
06:33:25,233 --> 06:33:25,766
HEARINGS LIVE.

12292
06:33:25,766 --> 06:33:27,400
WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE

12293
06:33:27,400 --> 06:33:29,366
CONTINUING TO CARRY THEM

12294
06:33:29,366 --> 06:33:29,733
DIGITALLY.

12295
06:33:29,733 --> 06:33:30,766
IN THE MEANTIME WE'RE GOING TO

12296
06:33:30,766 --> 06:33:32,433
TAKE A BREAK GET READY FOR

12297
06:33:32,433 --> 06:33:33,933
TONIGHT'S NEWSHOUR BUT PLEASE DO

12298
06:33:33,933 --> 06:33:36,100
KEEP WATCHING OUR SPECIAL LIVE

12299
06:33:36,100 --> 06:33:36,766
COVERAGE RIGHT HERE.

12300
06:33:36,766 --> 06:33:37,700
TUNE IN TONIGHT AT YOUR REGULAR

12301
06:33:37,700 --> 06:33:40,233
TIME FOR FULL ANALYSIS ON THE

12302
06:33:40,233 --> 06:33:40,766
PBS NEWSHOUR.

12303
06:33:40,766 --> 06:33:41,933
I'M JUDY WOODRUFF.

12304
06:33:41,933 --> 06:33:45,466
THANK YOU FOR STAYING WITH US.

12305
06:33:45,466 --> 06:33:47,100
>> THE PRESIDENT SAID I WOULD

12306
06:33:47,100 --> 06:33:48,633
LIKE YOU TO DO ME, THE PRESIDENT

12307
06:33:48,633 --> 06:33:51,133
SAID I WOULD LIKE YOU TO DO ME A

12308
06:33:51,133 --> 06:33:51,433
FAVOR.

12309
06:33:51,433 --> 06:33:53,300
THAT IS INACCURATE.

12310
06:33:53,300 --> 06:33:55,300
IT WAS FINALLY CLEAR IN THAT

12311
06:33:55,300 --> 06:33:56,833
COLLOQUY AND I'M GOING TO READ

12312
06:33:56,833 --> 06:33:58,966
IT TO YOU I'M GOING TO DO US A

12313
06:33:58,966 --> 06:34:00,333
FAVOR THOUGH BECAUSE OUR COUNTRY

12314
06:34:00,333 --> 06:34:02,033
HAS BEEN THROUGH A LOT.

12315
06:34:02,033 --> 06:34:03,266
ONE OF YOU SAID BECAUSE THE

12316
06:34:03,266 --> 06:34:05,066
PRESIDENT WAS USING THE ROYAL

12317
06:34:05,066 --> 06:34:05,333
WE.

12318
06:34:05,333 --> 06:34:06,600
HERE THE PRESIDENT'S TALKING

12319
06:34:06,600 --> 06:34:07,633
ABOUT THE COUNTRY.

12320
06:34:07,633 --> 06:34:10,366
THAT'S WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.

12321
06:34:10,366 --> 06:34:12,133
IT'S AUDACIOUS TO SAY HE'S USING

12322
06:34:12,133 --> 06:34:13,066
THE ROYAL WE.

12323
06:34:13,066 --> 06:34:14,266
THAT'S ROYAL ALL RIGHT BUT IT

12324
06:34:14,266 --> 06:34:15,900
AIN'T THE ROYAL WE.

12325
06:34:15,900 --> 06:34:17,866
AND I'LL JUST TELL YOU, WHEN YOU

12326
06:34:17,866 --> 06:34:21,000
COME IN WITH A PRECONCEIVED

12327
06:34:21,000 --> 06:34:22,466
NOTION, IT BECOMES OBVIOUS.

12328
06:34:22,466 --> 06:34:24,700
ONE OF YOU JUST SAID,

12329
06:34:24,700 --> 06:34:26,233
MR. FELDMAN AND I'M GOING TO

12330
06:34:26,233 --> 06:34:27,333
QUOTE HERE ROUGHLY I THINK THIS

12331
06:34:27,333 --> 06:34:29,133
IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID THOUGH.

12332
06:34:29,133 --> 06:34:31,066
UNTIL THE CALL ON JULY 25TH, I

12333
06:34:31,066 --> 06:34:34,366
WAS AN IMPEACHMENT SCHEDULE

12334
06:34:34,366 --> 06:34:39,266
PART --SKEPTIC TOO.

12335
06:34:39,266 --> 06:34:40,766
I WAS LOOKING AT A PUBLICATION

12336
06:34:40,766 --> 06:34:43,433
WHERE YOU SAID IF PRESIDENT

12337
06:34:43,433 --> 06:34:47,833
DONALD TRUMP PARDONS JOE ARPAIO

12338
06:34:47,833 --> 06:34:49,666
IS AN IM35E67ABLE OFFENSE.

12339
06:34:49,666 --> 06:34:51,233
HE DID PARDON HIM.

12340
06:34:51,233 --> 06:34:54,100
IN 2017 THE NEW YORK BOOK

12341
06:34:54,100 --> 06:34:57,500
REVIEW, REVIEW OF BOOKS,

12342
06:34:57,500 --> 06:34:58,933
MR. FELDMAN, PROFESSOR FELDMAN

12343
06:34:58,933 --> 06:35:02,366
SAID DEFAMATION BY TWEET IS AN

12344
06:35:02,366 --> 06:35:02,900
IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE.

12345
06:35:02,900 --> 06:35:04,600
AND I THINK OF THE HISTORY OF

12346
06:35:04,600 --> 06:35:10,000
THIS COUNTRY AND I THINK IF

12347
06:35:10,000 --> 06:35:11,166
DEFAMATION ORB LIABLE OR SLARNLD

12348
06:35:11,166 --> 06:35:13,400
IS AN IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE I

12349
06:35:13,400 --> 06:35:14,733
CAN'T HELP BUT REFLECT ABOUT

12350
06:35:14,733 --> 06:35:16,333
JOHN ADAMS AND THOMAS JEFFERSON

12351
06:35:16,333 --> 06:35:23,466
WHO RUE TANLY PILLOW REED THEIR

12352
06:35:23,466 --> 06:35:24,000
POLITICAL OPPONENTS.

12353
06:35:24,000 --> 06:35:25,900
TED THEIR PARTIES ACTUALLY

12354
06:35:25,900 --> 06:35:28,766
BOUGHT NEWALS TO ATTACK THEIR

12355
06:35:28,766 --> 06:35:34,133
POLITICAL OPPONENTS.

12356
06:35:34,133 --> 06:35:35,466
THIS RATHER GENEROUS VIEW YOU

12357
06:35:35,466 --> 06:35:37,366
HAVE ON WHAT CONSTITUTES

12358
06:35:37,366 --> 06:35:38,666
IMPEACHMENT IS A REAL PROBLEM.

12359
06:35:38,666 --> 06:35:41,366
THIS MORNING ONE OF YOU

12360
06:35:41,366 --> 06:35:42,933
MENTIONED THE CONSTITUTIONAL,

12361
06:35:42,933 --> 06:35:44,633
ONE OF YOU MENTIONED MR. DAVIES

12362
06:35:44,633 --> 06:35:45,833
AND MENTIONED THE CONSTITUTION

12363
06:35:45,833 --> 06:35:46,300
AL COMMISSION.

12364
06:35:46,300 --> 06:35:48,100
IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I READ

12365
06:35:48,100 --> 06:35:50,133
THE MINUTES.

12366
06:35:50,133 --> 06:35:51,100
I JUST BRIEFLY REVIEWED BECAUSE

12367
06:35:51,100 --> 06:35:53,300
I REMEMBER THE DISCUSSION ON THE

12368
06:35:53,300 --> 06:35:56,066
IMPEACHMENT AS BEING MORE

12369
06:35:56,066 --> 06:35:56,433
PERVASIVE.

12370
06:35:56,433 --> 06:35:58,066
A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPANDED.

12371
06:35:58,066 --> 06:36:03,500
AND ON JULY 20TH, 1787, IT

12372
06:36:03,500 --> 06:36:08,666
WASN'T 1798, IT WAS 1787, JULY

12373
06:36:08,666 --> 06:36:09,733
20TH, ABOUT EX MINUTE IS

12374
06:36:09,733 --> 06:36:11,500
DISCUSSING IMPEACHMENT OF A

12375
06:36:11,500 --> 06:36:12,200
DUTCH LEADER.

12376
06:36:12,200 --> 06:36:14,100
ASK AND HE TALKS SPECIFICALLY

12377
06:36:14,100 --> 06:36:17,733
ABOUT WHAT HE WOULD ANTICIPATES

12378
06:36:17,733 --> 06:36:19,100
AN IMPEACHMENT TO LOOK LIKE.

12379
06:36:19,100 --> 06:36:21,733
HE SAID IT WOULD BE A REGULAR

12380
06:36:21,733 --> 06:36:23,300
AND PEACEFUL INQUIRY.

12381
06:36:23,300 --> 06:36:27,333
THERE WOULD BE A PUNISHMENT IF

12382
06:36:27,333 --> 06:36:28,533
ACQUITTED AND WOULD BE RESTORED

12383
06:36:28,533 --> 06:36:30,833
TO THE CONFIDENCE OF THE PUBLIC.

12384
06:36:30,833 --> 06:36:33,100
THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN INTO

12385
06:36:33,100 --> 06:36:41,700
ACCOUNT AS WELL.

12386
06:36:41,700 --> 06:36:44,433
ON MAY 20, 2017 ARTICLE A

12387
06:36:44,433 --> 06:36:46,700
DISCUSSION ABOUT I PEACHMENT,

12388
06:36:46,700 --> 06:36:51,333
BECAUSE PRESIDENT TRUMP HAD

12389
06:36:51,333 --> 06:36:51,833
FIRED JAMES COMEY.

12390
06:36:51,833 --> 06:36:53,300
IT WAS HARD TO MAKE THE

12391
06:36:53,300 --> 06:36:54,466
OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE CASE WITH

12392
06:36:54,466 --> 06:36:56,700
THE SACKING AWK LOAN.

12393
06:36:56,700 --> 06:36:59,200
THE PRESIDENT HAD CLEAR LEGAL

12394
06:36:59,200 --> 06:37:01,066
AUTHORITY AND WAS PROPER AND

12395
06:37:01,066 --> 06:37:02,833
OTHER REASONS PUT FORTH FOR

12396
06:37:02,833 --> 06:37:03,300
FIRING HIM.

12397
06:37:03,300 --> 06:37:09,633
YET WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS THIS

12398
06:37:09,633 --> 06:37:18,033
INSISTENCE BY MI MS. GU GEAR HET

12399
06:37:18,033 --> 06:37:20,666
THAT WAS IMPEACHMENT.

12400
06:37:20,666 --> 06:37:26,500
MAY 20, 2017,BBC.

12401
06:37:26,500 --> 06:37:27,833
WHAT I'M SUGGESTING TO YOU TODAY

12402
06:37:27,833 --> 06:37:30,133
IS A RECKLESS BIAS COMING IN

12403
06:37:30,133 --> 06:37:30,666
HERE.

12404
06:37:30,666 --> 06:37:33,600
YOU'RE NOT FACT WITNESSES.

12405
06:37:33,600 --> 06:37:35,133
YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE TALKING

12406
06:37:35,133 --> 06:37:36,566
ABOUT WHAT THE LAW IS BUT YOU

12407
06:37:36,566 --> 06:37:38,366
CAME IN WITH A PRECONCEIVED

12408
06:37:38,366 --> 06:37:39,066
NOTION OF BIAS.

12409
06:37:39,066 --> 06:37:41,300
I WANT TO READ ONE LAST THING

12410
06:37:41,300 --> 06:37:43,466
HERE IF I CAN FIND IT FROM ONE

12411
06:37:43,466 --> 06:37:47,466
OF OUR WITNESSES HERE AND IT'S

12412
06:37:47,466 --> 06:37:49,533
DEALING WITH SOMETHING THAT WAS

12413
06:37:49,533 --> 06:37:55,566
SAID IN MARYLAND LAW REVIEW

12414
06:37:55,566 --> 06:38:00,800
ARTICLE IN 1999.

12415
06:38:00,800 --> 06:38:02,300
HE'S TALKING ABOUT BEING

12416
06:38:02,300 --> 06:38:05,200
CRITICAL OF LACK OF SELF DOUBT

12417
06:38:05,200 --> 06:38:06,966
AND AN OVERWHELMING ARROGANCE ON

12418
06:38:06,966 --> 06:38:08,766
THE PART OF LAW PROFESSORS WHO

12419
06:38:08,766 --> 06:38:11,266
COME IN AND OPINE ON

12420
06:38:11,266 --> 06:38:11,666
IMPEACHMENT.

12421
06:38:11,666 --> 06:38:13,600
THAT WOULD BE YOU MR. GEAR

12422
06:38:13,600 --> 06:38:22,000
HELAWRT --GEAR HEARTED.

12423
06:38:22,000 --> 06:38:23,333
THAT'S BEEN ON DISPLAY WITH THIS

12424
06:38:23,333 --> 06:38:24,633
COMMITTEE TODAY AND WITH THAT I

12425
06:38:24,633 --> 06:38:25,033
YIELD BACK.

12426
06:38:25,033 --> 06:38:27,100
>> THE GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK.

12427
06:38:27,100 --> 06:38:29,000
A LITTLE WHILE AGO MR. GAETZ

12428
06:38:29,000 --> 06:38:31,033
ASKED THAT CERTAIN MATERIAL BE

12429
06:38:31,033 --> 06:38:34,233
INCERTAIN INTO THE RECORD BY

12430
06:38:34,233 --> 06:38:34,766
UNANIMOUS CONTENT.

12431
06:38:34,766 --> 06:38:37,766
I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW

12432
06:38:37,766 --> 06:38:39,466
IT, MATERIAL WILL BE INCERTAIN

12433
06:38:39,466 --> 06:38:47,466
WITH THAT OBJECTION.

12434
06:38:47,466 --> 06:38:47,833
MR. LIEU.

12435
06:38:47,833 --> 06:38:48,500
>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

12436
06:38:48,500 --> 06:38:49,433
I WAS SWORN OATH TO THE

12437
06:38:49,433 --> 06:38:50,666
CONSTITUTION WHEN I WAS

12438
06:38:50,666 --> 06:38:51,466
COMMISSIONED AS AN OFFICER IN

12439
06:38:51,466 --> 06:38:52,633
THE UNITED STATES AIR FORCE.

12440
06:38:52,633 --> 06:38:54,766
THE OATH I TOOK WAS NOT TO A

12441
06:38:54,766 --> 06:38:56,333
POLITICAL PARTY OR TO A

12442
06:38:56,333 --> 06:38:58,200
PRESIDENT OR TO A KING.

12443
06:38:58,200 --> 06:39:01,133
IT WAS A DOCUMENT THAT MADE

12444
06:39:01,133 --> 06:39:03,033
AMERICA THE GREATEST NATION ON

12445
06:39:03,033 --> 06:39:03,333
EARTH.

12446
06:39:03,333 --> 06:39:05,200
I NEVER IMAGINED WE WOULD NOW BE

12447
06:39:05,200 --> 06:39:07,433
IN A SITUATION WHERE THE

12448
06:39:07,433 --> 06:39:09,166
PRESIDENT OR COMMANDER IN CHIEF

12449
06:39:09,166 --> 06:39:11,200
IS ACCUSED OF USING HIS OFFICE

12450
06:39:11,200 --> 06:39:12,100
FOR PERSONAL PLIGHT CAN CULL

12451
06:39:12,100 --> 06:39:14,033
GAIN THAT BETRAYED U.S. NATIONAL

12452
06:39:14,033 --> 06:39:16,433
SECURITY HURT OUR ALLY UKRAINE

12453
06:39:16,433 --> 06:39:19,500
AND HELPED OUR ADVERSARY,

12454
06:39:19,500 --> 06:39:24,500
RUSSIA.

12455
06:39:24,500 --> 06:39:26,033
WITH THE PRESIDENT'S ABUSE OF

12456
06:39:26,033 --> 06:39:28,566
POWER AND BETRAYAL OF OUR

12457
06:39:28,566 --> 06:39:30,433
NATIONAL INTEREST IS SO EXTREME

12458
06:39:30,433 --> 06:39:33,200
IT WARRANTS IMPEACHMENT AND

12459
06:39:33,200 --> 06:39:33,533
REMOVAL.

12460
06:39:33,533 --> 06:39:36,300
IT SEEMS REASONABLE WITH ALL

12461
06:39:36,300 --> 06:39:39,466
THOSE OFFENSES THEY DO HAVE

12462
06:39:39,466 --> 06:39:42,133
ENUMERATED BRIBERY IS ONE OF

12463
06:39:42,133 --> 06:39:42,400
TWO.

12464
06:39:42,400 --> 06:39:45,266
PROFESSOR FELDMAN WHY WOULD THE

12465
06:39:45,266 --> 06:39:47,466
FRAMERS SHOULD BRIBERY OF ALL OF

12466
06:39:47,466 --> 06:39:48,100
THE OFFENSES.

12467
06:39:48,100 --> 06:39:49,700
>> BRIBERY WAS THE CLASSIC

12468
06:39:49,700 --> 06:39:51,666
EXAMPLE FOR THEM OF HIGH CRIME

12469
06:39:51,666 --> 06:39:53,333
AND MISDEMEANOR FOR ABUSE OF

12470
06:39:53,333 --> 06:39:54,733
OFFICE FOR PERSONAL GAIN BECAUSE

12471
06:39:54,733 --> 06:39:58,200
IF YOU TAKE SOMETHING OF VALUE

12472
06:39:58,200 --> 06:39:59,600
WHILE, WHEN YOU'RE ABLE TO

12473
06:39:59,600 --> 06:40:01,566
EFFECT AN OUTCOME FOR SOMEBODY

12474
06:40:01,566 --> 06:40:03,166
ELSE, YOU'RE SERVING YOUR OWN

12475
06:40:03,166 --> 06:40:03,933
INTERESTS AND NOT THE INTERESTS

12476
06:40:03,933 --> 06:40:05,600
OF THE PEOPLE.

12477
06:40:05,600 --> 06:40:07,466
THAT WAS COMMONLY USED IN

12478
06:40:07,466 --> 06:40:09,133
IMPEACHMENT OFFENSES IN ENGLAND

12479
06:40:09,133 --> 06:40:10,866
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS

12480
06:40:10,866 --> 06:40:11,900
THAT THEY SPECIFIED IT.

12481
06:40:11,900 --> 06:40:12,900
>> THANK YOU.

12482
06:40:12,900 --> 06:40:14,966
NOW EARLIER IN THIS HEARING,

12483
06:40:14,966 --> 06:40:16,433
PROFESSOR KARLAN MADE A POINT

12484
06:40:16,433 --> 06:40:19,433
THAT BRIBERY IS ENFIGURED BY THE

12485
06:40:19,433 --> 06:40:20,666
FRAMERS WITH A -- ENVISIONED BY

12486
06:40:20,666 --> 06:40:23,200
THE FRAMERS IS MUCH BROADER THAN

12487
06:40:23,200 --> 06:40:24,466
THE FEDERAL CRIMINAL STATUTE OF

12488
06:40:24,466 --> 06:40:25,000
BRIBE REEF.

12489
06:40:25,000 --> 06:40:27,433
I THINK THE REASON FOR THAT IS

12490
06:40:27,433 --> 06:40:27,766
OBVIOUS.

12491
06:40:27,766 --> 06:40:29,233
WE'RE NOT IN A CRIMINAL

12492
06:40:29,233 --> 06:40:29,633
PROCEEDING.

12493
06:40:29,633 --> 06:40:31,433
WE'RE NOT DECIDING WHETHER TO

12494
06:40:31,433 --> 06:40:35,300
SEND PRESIDENT TRUMP TO PRISON.

12495
06:40:35,300 --> 06:40:36,933
THIS IS A CIVIL ACTION AN

12496
06:40:36,933 --> 06:40:37,666
IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS WHETHER

12497
06:40:37,666 --> 06:40:38,800
OR NOT WE REMOVE DONALD TRUMP

12498
06:40:38,800 --> 06:40:41,233
FROM HIS JOB.

12499
06:40:41,233 --> 06:40:42,466
SO PROFESSOR KARLAN, IT'S TRUE,

12500
06:40:42,466 --> 06:40:44,300
ISN'T IT, WE DON'T HAVE TO MEET

12501
06:40:44,300 --> 06:40:46,266
THE STANDARDS OF A FEDERAL

12502
06:40:46,266 --> 06:40:48,000
BRIBERY STATUTE IN ORDER TO MEET

12503
06:40:48,000 --> 06:40:50,100
THE STANDARDS FOR IMPEACHABLE

12504
06:40:50,100 --> 06:40:50,433
OFFENSE.

12505
06:40:50,433 --> 06:40:52,866
>> THAT'S CORRECT.

12506
06:40:52,866 --> 06:40:54,466
>> THANK YOU.

12507
06:40:54,466 --> 06:40:56,833
YESTERDAY, SCALIA LAW PROFESSOR

12508
06:40:56,833 --> 06:40:59,433
J.W. BARRETT WAS A LIFE LONG

12509
06:40:59,433 --> 06:41:00,700
REPUBLICAN FORMER REPUBLICAN

12510
06:41:00,700 --> 06:41:03,466
STAFF WHO ADD RISED THE TRUMP --

12511
06:41:03,466 --> 06:41:05,400
ADVISED THE TRUMP TRANSITION

12512
06:41:05,400 --> 06:41:07,266
TEAM MADE THE FOLLOWING PUBLIC

12513
06:41:07,266 --> 06:41:08,433
STATEMENT ABOUT DONALD TRUMP'S

12514
06:41:08,433 --> 06:41:08,766
CONDUCT.

12515
06:41:08,766 --> 06:41:11,100
THE CALL WASN'T PERFECT.

12516
06:41:11,100 --> 06:41:13,133
HE COMMITTED IMPEACHABLE

12517
06:41:13,133 --> 06:41:15,233
OFFENSES INCLUDING BRIBERY.

12518
06:41:15,233 --> 06:41:16,633
PROFESSOR KARLAN, I'M NOW GOING

12519
06:41:16,633 --> 06:41:19,433
TO SHOW YOU TWO VIDEO CLIPS OF

12520
06:41:19,433 --> 06:41:22,566
THE WITNESS TESTIMONY ABOUT THE

12521
06:41:22,566 --> 06:41:23,433
PRESIDENT'S WITHHOLDING OF THE

12522
06:41:23,433 --> 06:41:26,533
WHITE HOUSE MEETING IN EXCHANGE

12523
06:41:26,533 --> 06:41:29,000
FOR THE PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT OF

12524
06:41:29,000 --> 06:41:31,433
INVESTIGATION INTO HIS POLITICAL

12525
06:41:31,433 --> 06:41:31,733
RIVAL.

12526
06:41:31,733 --> 06:41:37,133
>> AS I TESTIFIED PREVIOUSLY,

12527
06:41:37,133 --> 06:41:38,366
MR. GIULIANI REQUESTS FOR A QUID

12528
06:41:38,366 --> 06:41:39,900
PRO QUO FOR ARRANGING A WHITE

12529
06:41:39,900 --> 06:41:42,700
HOUSE VISIT FOR PRESIDENT

12530
06:41:42,700 --> 06:41:43,066
ZELENSKY.

12531
06:41:43,066 --> 06:41:44,833
>> BY MID JULY IT WAS BECOMING

12532
06:41:44,833 --> 06:41:48,166
CLEAR THAT THE MEETING PRESIDENT

12533
06:41:48,166 --> 06:41:50,133
ZELENSKY WANT WAS CONYOU HAD

12534
06:41:50,133 --> 06:41:52,933
OFFED ON BURISMA AND THE ALLEGED

12535
06:41:52,933 --> 06:41:54,433
INTERFERENCE OF THE 2016

12536
06:41:54,433 --> 06:41:54,800
ELECTIONS.

12537
06:41:54,800 --> 06:41:58,166
>> I WANT TO SHOW YOU ONE MORE

12538
06:41:58,166 --> 06:42:00,366
VIDEO CLIP REGARDING TO THE

12539
06:42:00,366 --> 06:42:03,033
PRESIDENT'S DECISION TO WITHHOLD

12540
06:42:03,033 --> 06:42:06,333
ASSISTANCE CONGRESS HAD

12541
06:42:06,333 --> 06:42:08,933
APPROPRIATED AND GAIN FOR HIS

12542
06:42:08,933 --> 06:42:09,466
POLITICAL RIVAL.

12543
06:42:09,466 --> 06:42:13,466
>> IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY

12544
06:42:13,466 --> 06:42:14,433
CREDIBLE EXPLANATION FOR

12545
06:42:14,433 --> 06:42:15,633
SUSPENSION OF AID I LATER CAME

12546
06:42:15,633 --> 06:42:17,700
TO BELIEVE THAT THE RESUMPTION

12547
06:42:17,700 --> 06:42:19,433
OF SECURITY AID WOULD NOT E CUR

12548
06:42:19,433 --> 06:42:21,300
UNTIL THERE WAS A PUBLIC

12549
06:42:21,300 --> 06:42:23,300
STATEMENT FROM UKRAINE

12550
06:42:23,300 --> 06:42:24,233
COMMITTING TO THE INVESTIGATIONS

12551
06:42:24,233 --> 06:42:28,166
OF THE 2016 ELECTIONS AND

12552
06:42:28,166 --> 06:42:32,066
BURISMA AS MR. GIULIANI HAD

12553
06:42:32,066 --> 06:42:32,433
DEMANDED.

12554
06:42:32,433 --> 06:42:33,733
>> PROFESSOR KARLAN, DOES THAT

12555
06:42:33,733 --> 06:42:35,433
EVIDENCE AS WELL AS THE EVIDENCE

12556
06:42:35,433 --> 06:42:37,633
IN THE RECORD TEND TO SHOW THAT

12557
06:42:37,633 --> 06:42:39,666
THE PRESIDENT MET THE STANDARDS

12558
06:42:39,666 --> 06:42:42,133
FOR BRIBERY AS ENVISIONED IN THE

12559
06:42:42,133 --> 06:42:42,566
CONSTITUTION?

12560
06:42:42,566 --> 06:42:43,633
>> YES, IT DOES.

12561
06:42:43,633 --> 06:42:46,500
>> I'M ALSO A FORMER PROSECUTOR.

12562
06:42:46,500 --> 06:42:48,433
I BELIEVE THE RECORD WOULD ALSO

12563
06:42:48,433 --> 06:42:51,366
MEET THE STANDARDS FOR CRIMINAL

12564
06:42:51,366 --> 06:42:51,866
BRIBERY.

12565
06:42:51,866 --> 06:42:54,266
THE SUPREME COURT'S DECISION IN

12566
06:42:54,266 --> 06:42:56,400
MCDONALD WAS PRIMELY ABOUT WHAT

12567
06:42:56,400 --> 06:42:58,733
CONSTITUTES AN OFFICIAL ACT.

12568
06:42:58,733 --> 06:43:00,666
THE KEY FINDING WAS AN OFFICIAL

12569
06:43:00,666 --> 06:43:01,766
MUST INVOLVE A FORMAL EXERCISE

12570
06:43:01,766 --> 06:43:03,766
OF GOVERNMENTAL POWER ON

12571
06:43:03,766 --> 06:43:04,633
SOMETHING SPECIFIC PENDING

12572
06:43:04,633 --> 06:43:06,966
BEFORE A PUBLIC OFFICIAL.

12573
06:43:06,966 --> 06:43:08,600
PRETTY CLEAR WE GOT THAT HERE.

12574
06:43:08,600 --> 06:43:10,166
WE HAVE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF

12575
06:43:10,166 --> 06:43:12,466
DOLLARS OF MILITARY AID THAT

12576
06:43:12,466 --> 06:43:13,400
CONGRESS SPECIFICALLY

12577
06:43:13,400 --> 06:43:13,833
APPROPRIATED.

12578
06:43:13,833 --> 06:43:15,466
THE FREEZING AND UNFREEZING OF

12579
06:43:15,466 --> 06:43:19,466
THAT AID IS A FORMAL EXERCISE OF

12580
06:43:19,466 --> 06:43:20,433
GOVERNMENTAL POWER.

12581
06:43:20,433 --> 06:43:22,533
BUT WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO TALK

12582
06:43:22,533 --> 06:43:24,466
ABOUT THE CRIME OF BRIBERY.

12583
06:43:24,466 --> 06:43:26,466
THERE'S ANOTHER CRIME HERE WHICH

12584
06:43:26,466 --> 06:43:30,366
IS THE SOLICITATION OF FEDERAL,

12585
06:43:30,366 --> 06:43:31,466
ASSISTANCE OF A FOREIGN

12586
06:43:31,466 --> 06:43:32,766
GOVERNMENT IN A FEDERAL ELECTION

12587
06:43:32,766 --> 06:43:35,200
CAMPAIGN THAT'S STRAIGHT UP

12588
06:43:35,200 --> 06:43:36,566
VIOLATES THE FEDERAL ELECTION

12589
06:43:36,566 --> 06:43:40,533
CAMPAIGN AT 52USC3031 AND BY THE

12590
06:43:40,533 --> 06:43:42,266
WAY THAT'S ONE REASON MICHAEL

12591
06:43:42,266 --> 06:43:44,500
COHEN IS SITTING IN PRISON RIGHT

12592
06:43:44,500 --> 06:43:44,766
NOW.

12593
06:43:44,766 --> 06:43:45,233
I YIELD BACK.

12594
06:43:45,233 --> 06:43:47,633
>> THE GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK.

12595
06:43:47,633 --> 06:43:48,100
MR. MCCLINTOCK.

12596
06:43:48,100 --> 06:43:49,866
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

12597
06:43:49,866 --> 06:43:51,666
COULD I WITH A SHOW OF HANDS HOW

12598
06:43:51,666 --> 06:43:53,366
MANY ON THE PANEL ACTUALLY VOTED

12599
06:43:53,366 --> 06:43:55,433
FOR DONALD TRUMP IN 2016?

12600
06:43:55,433 --> 06:43:56,733
>> I DON'T THINK WE'RE ABLE

12601
06:43:56,733 --> 06:43:58,466
GATED TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT HOW

12602
06:43:58,466 --> 06:44:00,200
WE CAST OUR BLAST.

12603
06:44:00,200 --> 06:44:02,666
BALLOTS.

12604
06:44:02,666 --> 06:44:04,533
>> JUST SHOW OF HAND.

12605
06:44:04,533 --> 06:44:07,466
>> I THINK YOU MADE YOUR

12606
06:44:07,466 --> 06:44:07,866
POSITION --

12607
06:44:07,866 --> 06:44:12,900
>> I WILL SUSPEND THE CLOCK TOO.

12608
06:44:12,900 --> 06:44:15,300
>> EXCUSE ME YOU MAY ASK --

12609
06:44:15,300 --> 06:44:17,600
>> STOP FOR THE MOMENT.

12610
06:44:17,600 --> 06:44:19,466
THE GENTLEMAN MAY ASK THE

12611
06:44:19,466 --> 06:44:19,833
QUESTION.

12612
06:44:19,833 --> 06:44:23,066
THE WITNESSES DON'T HAVE TO

12613
06:44:23,066 --> 06:44:23,400
RESPOND.

12614
06:44:23,400 --> 06:44:25,800
>> -- DONALD TRUMP IN 2016.

12615
06:44:25,800 --> 06:44:27,133
SHOW OF HANDS.

12616
06:44:27,133 --> 06:44:27,533
THANK YOU.

12617
06:44:27,533 --> 06:44:31,466
>> NOT RAISING OUR HANDS IS NOT

12618
06:44:31,466 --> 06:44:33,600
AN INDICATION OF ANN SIR.

12619
06:44:33,600 --> 06:44:34,966
>> THIS HAS BEEN PRESIDENT

12620
06:44:34,966 --> 06:44:36,633
INDICATED ON SOME RATHER

12621
06:44:36,633 --> 06:44:38,666
DISTURBING LEGAL DRAWING

12622
06:44:38,666 --> 06:44:39,000
TERRAIN.

12623
06:44:39,000 --> 06:44:39,966
ONE DEMOCRAT ASSERTED HEARSAY

12624
06:44:39,966 --> 06:44:41,233
CAN BE BETTER EVIDENCE THAN

12625
06:44:41,233 --> 06:44:42,066
DIRECT EVIDENCE.

12626
06:44:42,066 --> 06:44:43,100
SPEAKER PELOSI AND OTHERS HAVE

12627
06:44:43,100 --> 06:44:45,600
SAID THAT THE PRESIDENT'S

12628
06:44:45,600 --> 06:44:47,433
RESPONSIBILITY IS TO PRESENT

12629
06:44:47,433 --> 06:44:50,700
EVIDENCE TO PROVE HIS INNOCENCE.

12630
06:44:50,700 --> 06:44:51,733
CHAIRMAN SCHIFF ASSERTED AND WE

12631
06:44:51,733 --> 06:44:53,633
HEARD A DISCUSSION FROM SOME OF

12632
06:44:53,633 --> 06:44:55,133
YOUR COLLEAGUES TODAY THAT IF

12633
06:44:55,133 --> 06:44:56,500
YOU INVOKE LEGAL RIGHTS IN

12634
06:44:56,500 --> 06:44:59,266
DEFENSE OF CRIMINAL ACCUSATIONS,

12635
06:44:59,266 --> 06:45:02,266
IPSO FACTO THAT'S AN OBSTRUCTION

12636
06:45:02,266 --> 06:45:04,666
OF JUSTICE AND EVIDENCE OF

12637
06:45:04,666 --> 06:45:04,966
GUILT.

12638
06:45:04,966 --> 06:45:06,266
MY QUESTION TO YOU WHAT DOES IT

12639
06:45:06,266 --> 06:45:07,800
MEAN TO OUR AMERICAN JUSTICE

12640
06:45:07,800 --> 06:45:09,300
SYSTEM IF THESE DOCTRINES TAKE

12641
06:45:09,300 --> 06:45:10,333
ROOT IN OUR COUNTRY.

12642
06:45:10,333 --> 06:45:13,366
>> WHAT CONCERNS ME THE MOST IS

12643
06:45:13,366 --> 06:45:15,466
THAT THERE ARE NO LIMITING

12644
06:45:15,466 --> 06:45:17,866
PRINCIPLES THAT I CAN SEE IN

12645
06:45:17,866 --> 06:45:19,333
SOME OF THE DEFINITIONS MY

12646
06:45:19,333 --> 06:45:21,500
COLLEAGUES HAVE PUT FORWARD.

12647
06:45:21,500 --> 06:45:23,466
MORE IMPORTANTLY SOME OF THESE

12648
06:45:23,466 --> 06:45:25,666
IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES I ONLY

12649
06:45:25,666 --> 06:45:26,600
HEARD ABOUT TODAY.

12650
06:45:26,600 --> 06:45:28,933
I'M NOT TOO SURE WHAT ATTEMPTING

12651
06:45:28,933 --> 06:45:32,300
TO ABUSE OFFICE MEANS OR HOW YOU

12652
06:45:32,300 --> 06:45:32,866
RECOGNIZE IT.

12653
06:45:32,866 --> 06:45:35,466
BUT I'M PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT

12654
06:45:35,466 --> 06:45:37,833
NOBODY ON THIS COMMITTEE TRULY

12655
06:45:37,833 --> 06:45:40,266
WANTS THE NEW STANDARD OF

12656
06:45:40,266 --> 06:45:43,233
IMPEACHMENT TO BE BET BETRAYAL F

12657
06:45:43,233 --> 06:45:44,233
THE NATIONAL INTEREST.

12658
06:45:44,233 --> 06:45:45,833
THAT IS GOING TO BE THE BASIS

12659
06:45:45,833 --> 06:45:46,833
FOR IMPEACHMENT --

12660
06:45:46,833 --> 06:45:49,166
>> HOW MANY REPUBLICANS DO YOU

12661
06:45:49,166 --> 06:45:51,066
THINK WOULD SAY THAT BARACK

12662
06:45:51,066 --> 06:45:53,200
OBAMA VIOLATED THAT STANDARD.

12663
06:45:53,200 --> 06:45:55,333
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT JAMES

12664
06:45:55,333 --> 06:45:56,733
MADISON WARNED YOU AGAINST IS

12665
06:45:56,733 --> 06:45:58,733
THAT YOU WOULD CREATE

12666
06:45:58,733 --> 06:46:00,633
EFFECTIVELY A VOTE OF NO

12667
06:46:00,633 --> 06:46:02,333
CONFIDENCE STANDARD IN OUR

12668
06:46:02,333 --> 06:46:02,766
CONSTITUTION.

12669
06:46:02,766 --> 06:46:03,966
>> ARE WE IN DANGER OF ABUSING

12670
06:46:03,966 --> 06:46:07,500
OUR OWN POWER OF DOING ENORMOUS

12671
06:46:07,500 --> 06:46:09,500
VIOLENCE TO OUR CONSTITUTION?

12672
06:46:09,500 --> 06:46:11,500
MY COLLEAGUES ARE SEARCHING FOR

12673
06:46:11,500 --> 06:46:12,933
A PRETEXT FOR IMPEACHMENT SINCE

12674
06:46:12,933 --> 06:46:14,166
BEFORE THE PRESIDENT WAS SWORN

12675
06:46:14,166 --> 06:46:15,933
IN ON THIS PANEL.

12676
06:46:15,933 --> 06:46:17,166
PROFESSOR KARLAN CALLED

12677
06:46:17,166 --> 06:46:19,633
PRESIDENT TRUMP'S ELECTION

12678
06:46:19,633 --> 06:46:20,700
ILLEGITIMATE IN 2017.

12679
06:46:20,700 --> 06:46:21,933
SHE IMPLIED EMME.

12680
06:46:21,933 --> 06:46:24,933
WAS A REMEDY.

12681
06:46:24,933 --> 06:46:27,066
PROFESSOR FELDMAN ADVOCATING

12682
06:46:27,066 --> 06:46:28,366
IMPEACHING THE PRESIDENT OVER A

12683
06:46:28,366 --> 06:46:30,866
TWEET IN MARCH OF 2017.

12684
06:46:30,866 --> 06:46:33,100
THAT'S 7 YEARS AFTER HIS

12685
06:46:33,100 --> 06:46:33,533
INAUGURATION.

12686
06:46:33,533 --> 06:46:35,133
ARE WE IN DANGER OF COMING TO

12687
06:46:35,133 --> 06:46:36,933
THE MAXIMUM OF LEWIS CARROLL'S

12688
06:46:36,933 --> 06:46:40,833
RED QUEEN SENTENCE FIRST BURIED

12689
06:46:40,833 --> 06:46:41,233
AFTERWARDS.

12690
06:46:41,233 --> 06:46:42,200
>> THIS IS PART OF THE PROBLEM

12691
06:46:42,200 --> 06:46:44,433
HOW YOUR VIEW OF THE PRESIDENT

12692
06:46:44,433 --> 06:46:46,933
CAN AFFECT YOUR ASSUMPTIONS,

12693
06:46:46,933 --> 06:46:49,166
YOUR INFERENCES, YOUR VIEW OF

12694
06:46:49,166 --> 06:46:51,433
CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.

12695
06:46:51,433 --> 06:46:54,233
I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT THE

12696
06:46:54,233 --> 06:46:56,433
EVIDENCE IF IT WAS FULLY

12697
06:46:56,433 --> 06:46:57,666
INVESTIGATED IF IT WOULD COME

12698
06:46:57,666 --> 06:46:59,000
OUT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

12699
06:46:59,000 --> 06:47:01,300
WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE'RE NOT

12700
06:47:01,300 --> 06:47:03,500
DEALING WITH THE REALM OF THE

12701
06:47:03,500 --> 06:47:03,900
UNKNOWABLE.

12702
06:47:03,900 --> 06:47:04,733
WE HAVE TO ASK.

12703
06:47:04,733 --> 06:47:06,633
WE BURNED TWO MONTHS IN THIS

12704
06:47:06,633 --> 06:47:07,966
HOUSE, TWO MONTHS YOU COULD HAVE

12705
06:47:07,966 --> 06:47:10,366
BEEN IN COURT SEEKING A SUBPOENA

12706
06:47:10,366 --> 06:47:11,500
FOR THESE WITNESSES.

12707
06:47:11,500 --> 06:47:13,700
IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO WAIT

12708
06:47:13,700 --> 06:47:15,500
FOREVER BUT YOU COULD HAVE

12709
06:47:15,500 --> 06:47:16,466
GOTTEN AN ORDER BY NOW.

12710
06:47:16,466 --> 06:47:19,200
YOU COULD HAVE ALLOWED THE

12711
06:47:19,200 --> 06:47:22,500
PRESIDENT TO RAISE AN EXECUTIVE

12712
06:47:22,500 --> 06:47:22,866
PREVIOUS.

12713
06:47:22,866 --> 06:47:25,466
>> THE CONSTITUTION SAYS THE

12714
06:47:25,466 --> 06:47:26,533
EXECUTIVE AUTHORITY SHALL BE

12715
06:47:26,533 --> 06:47:27,266
VESTED IN THE PRESIDENT OF THE

12716
06:47:27,266 --> 06:47:27,733
UNITED STATES.

12717
06:47:27,733 --> 06:47:29,300
DOES THAT MEAN SOME EXECUTIVE

12718
06:47:29,300 --> 06:47:32,833
AUTHORITY OR ALL OF IT.

12719
06:47:32,833 --> 06:47:34,633
>> THERE ARE CHECKS AND BALANCES

12720
06:47:34,633 --> 06:47:36,133
BUT THE AUTHORITY OBVIOUSLY

12721
06:47:36,133 --> 06:47:37,366
RESTS WITH THE PRESIDENT BUT

12722
06:47:37,366 --> 06:47:41,100
THESE ARE ALL SHARED POWERS.

12723
06:47:41,100 --> 06:47:42,666
AND I DON'T BEGRUDGE THE

12724
06:47:42,666 --> 06:47:44,033
INVESTIGATION OF THE UKRAINE

12725
06:47:44,033 --> 06:47:44,433
CONTROVERSY.

12726
06:47:44,433 --> 06:47:45,966
I THINK IT WAS A LEGITIMATE

12727
06:47:45,966 --> 06:47:47,466
INVESTIGATION.

12728
06:47:47,466 --> 06:47:52,000
WHAT I BEGRUDGE IS HOW IT WAS

12729
06:47:52,000 --> 06:47:52,366
CONDUCTED.

12730
06:47:52,366 --> 06:47:54,166
>> THE CONSTITUTION DEMANDS THE

12731
06:47:54,166 --> 06:47:56,066
PRESIDENT TAKES CARE THAT THE

12732
06:47:56,066 --> 06:47:57,366
LAWS BE ENFORCED.

12733
06:47:57,366 --> 06:47:59,000
THAT DOES IN EFFECT MAKE HIM THE

12734
06:47:59,000 --> 06:48:01,666
CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER IN

12735
06:48:01,666 --> 06:48:02,366
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES IT

12736
06:48:02,366 --> 06:48:02,633
NOT.

12737
06:48:02,633 --> 06:48:03,500
>> THAT'S COMMONLY EXPRESSED

12738
06:48:03,500 --> 06:48:04,900
THAT WAY, YES.

12739
06:48:04,900 --> 06:48:06,833
>> IF PROBABLE CAUSE EXISTS THAT

12740
06:48:06,833 --> 06:50:21,266
A CRIME WAS COMMITTED

12741
06:50:21,266 --> 06:50:23,433
POWER TELL US ABOUT THE

12742
06:50:23,433 --> 06:50:24,933
PRESIDENT'S CLAIM THAT THE

12743
06:50:24,933 --> 06:50:27,300
CONSTITUTION ALLOWS HIM TO DO

12744
06:50:27,300 --> 06:50:27,800
WHATEVER HE WANTS.

12745
06:50:27,800 --> 06:50:31,566
>> IT PLO BLOWS IT OUT OF THE W.

12746
06:50:31,566 --> 06:50:34,833
>> IF HE'S RIGHT AND WE ACCEPT

12747
06:50:34,833 --> 06:50:36,266
THIS RADICAL CLAIM THAT HE CAN

12748
06:50:36,266 --> 06:50:38,866
DO WHATEVER HE WANTS, ALL FUTURE

12749
06:50:38,866 --> 06:50:40,066
PRESIDENTS SEEKING RE-ELECTION

12750
06:50:40,066 --> 06:50:43,400
WILL BE ABLE TO BRING FOREIGN

12751
06:50:43,400 --> 06:50:44,166
GOVERNMENTS INTO OUR CAMPAIGNS

12752
06:50:44,166 --> 06:50:45,833
TO TARGET THEIR RIVALS AND TO

12753
06:50:45,833 --> 06:50:50,733
SPREAD PRAW PROPAGANDA.

12754
06:50:50,733 --> 06:50:52,300
THAT'S A ASTOUNDING.

12755
06:50:52,300 --> 06:50:53,733
IF WE LET THE PRESIDENT GET AWAY

12756
06:50:53,733 --> 06:50:55,233
WITH THIS CONDUCT EVERY

12757
06:50:55,233 --> 06:50:56,766
PRESIDENT CAN GET AWAY WITH

12758
06:50:56,766 --> 06:50:57,066
THAT.

12759
06:50:57,066 --> 06:50:59,033
DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT PROFESSOR

12760
06:50:59,033 --> 06:50:59,366
FELDMAN.

12761
06:50:59,366 --> 06:50:59,700
>> I DO.

12762
06:50:59,700 --> 06:51:03,300
RICHARD NIXON SENT BURGLARS TO

12763
06:51:03,300 --> 06:51:05,533
SEND PEOPLE TO BREAK INTO THE

12764
06:51:05,533 --> 06:51:06,400
HEADQUARTERS BUT PRESIDENT TRUMP

12765
06:51:06,400 --> 06:51:08,200
JUST MADE A PHONE CALL AND

12766
06:51:08,200 --> 06:51:09,633
SOUGHT INTERVENTION IN AMERICAN

12767
06:51:09,633 --> 06:51:10,000
ELECTIONS.

12768
06:51:10,000 --> 06:51:11,466
>> THIS IS A BIG MOMENT FOR

12769
06:51:11,466 --> 06:51:13,033
AMERICA ISN'T IT?

12770
06:51:13,033 --> 06:51:15,233
IF ELIJAH CUMMINGS WERE HERE HE

12771
06:51:15,233 --> 06:51:16,966
WOULD SAY LISTEN UP PEOPLE

12772
06:51:16,966 --> 06:51:17,833
LISTEN UP.

12773
06:51:17,833 --> 06:51:19,433
HOW WE RESPOND WILL DETERMINE

12774
06:51:19,433 --> 06:51:21,700
THE CHARACTER OF OUR DEMOCRACY

12775
06:51:21,700 --> 06:51:23,433
FOR GENERATIONS.

12776
06:51:23,433 --> 06:51:27,066
NOW, PROFESSORS FELDMAN, KARLAN

12777
06:51:27,066 --> 06:51:28,866
AND GERHARDT TOLD US THREE

12778
06:51:28,866 --> 06:51:31,066
REASONS FOR WHY WE NEEDED AN

12779
06:51:31,066 --> 06:51:32,400
IMPEACHMENT POWER.

12780
06:51:32,400 --> 06:51:33,933
BROADLY SPEAKING, IT WAS AN

12781
06:51:33,933 --> 06:51:35,433
INSTRUMENT OF POPULAR

12782
06:51:35,433 --> 06:51:36,866
SELF-DEFENSE AGAINST THE

12783
06:51:36,866 --> 06:51:38,366
PRESIDENT BEHAVING LIKE A KING

12784
06:51:38,366 --> 06:51:40,033
AND TRAMPLING THE RULE OF LAW

12785
06:51:40,033 --> 06:51:42,900
BUT NOT JUST IN THE NORMAL ROYAL

12786
06:51:42,900 --> 06:51:46,100
SISENSE OF SHOWING CRUELTY AND

12787
06:51:46,100 --> 06:51:48,000
VANITY AND TREACHERY AND GREED

12788
06:51:48,000 --> 06:51:50,566
AND AVARICE AND SO ON BUT WHEN

12789
06:51:50,566 --> 06:51:51,900
PRESIDENTS THREATENED THE BASIC

12790
06:51:51,900 --> 06:51:54,633
CHARACTER OF OUR GOVERNMENT IN

12791
06:51:54,633 --> 06:51:57,066
THE CONSTITUTION, THAT'S WHAT

12792
06:51:57,066 --> 06:51:57,733
IMPEACHMENT WAS ABOUT.

12793
06:51:57,733 --> 06:51:59,000
THE FRAMERS INVOKED THREE

12794
06:51:59,000 --> 06:52:01,166
SPECIFIC KINDS OF MISCONDUCT SO

12795
06:52:01,166 --> 06:52:03,933
SERIOUS AND EGREGIOUS THAT THEY

12796
06:52:03,933 --> 06:52:05,766
THOUGHT THEY WARRANTED

12797
06:52:05,766 --> 06:52:06,166
IMPEACHMENT.

12798
06:52:06,166 --> 06:52:08,066
FIRST THE PRESIDENT MIGHT HAVE

12799
06:52:08,066 --> 06:52:09,900
USED HIS POWER BY CORRUPTLY

12800
06:52:09,900 --> 06:52:11,900
USING HIS OFFICE FOR PERSONAL

12801
06:52:11,900 --> 06:52:13,666
POLITICAL OR FINANCIAL GAIN.

12802
06:52:13,666 --> 06:52:14,533
WELL PROFESSOR FELDMAN, WHAT'S

12803
06:52:14,533 --> 06:52:15,566
SO WRONG WITH THAT?

12804
06:52:15,566 --> 06:52:17,733
IF THE PRESIDENT BELONGS TO MY

12805
06:52:17,733 --> 06:52:19,000
PARTY AND I GENERALLY LIKE HIM

12806
06:52:19,000 --> 06:52:20,333
WHAT'S SO WRONG WITH HIM USING

12807
06:52:20,333 --> 06:52:23,233
HIS OFFICE TO ADVANCE HIS OWN

12808
06:52:23,233 --> 06:52:23,800
POLITICAL AMBITIONS.

12809
06:52:23,800 --> 06:52:24,566
>> BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT OF THE

12810
06:52:24,566 --> 06:52:26,133
UNITED STATES WORKS FOR THE

12811
06:52:26,133 --> 06:52:28,133
PEOPLE AND SO IF HE SEEKS

12812
06:52:28,133 --> 06:52:30,300
PERSONAL GAIN, HE'S NOT SERVING

12813
06:52:30,300 --> 06:52:32,066
THE INTERESTS OF THE PEOPLE,

12814
06:52:32,066 --> 06:52:33,400
HE'S RATHER SERVING THE

12815
06:52:33,400 --> 06:52:34,133
INTERESTS THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO

12816
06:52:34,133 --> 06:52:36,600
HIM AND THAT MEANS HE'S ABUSING

12817
06:52:36,600 --> 06:52:37,666
THE OFFICE AND HE'S DOING THINGS

12818
06:52:37,666 --> 06:52:39,700
THEY CAN ONLY GET AWAY WITH

12819
06:52:39,700 --> 06:52:40,533
BECAUSE HE'S THE PRESIDENT AND

12820
06:52:40,533 --> 06:52:44,900
THAT IS NECESSARILY SUBJECT TO

12821
06:52:44,900 --> 06:52:45,300
IMPEACHMENT.

12822
06:52:45,300 --> 06:52:47,100
>> SECOND AND THIRD THE FOUNDERS

12823
06:52:47,100 --> 06:52:48,433
EXPRESSED FEAR THE PRESIDENT

12824
06:52:48,433 --> 06:52:50,666
COULD SUBVERT OUR DEMOCRACY BY

12825
06:52:50,666 --> 06:52:54,166
BETRAYING HIS TRUST TO OWNER

12826
06:52:54,166 --> 06:52:55,400
INFLUENCE IN INTERFERENCE AND

12827
06:52:55,400 --> 06:52:58,033
ALSOY CORRUPTING THE ELECTION

12828
06:52:58,033 --> 06:52:58,366
PROCESS.

12829
06:52:58,366 --> 06:53:00,233
PROFESSOR KARLAN YOU'RE ONE OF

12830
06:53:00,233 --> 06:53:02,166
AMERICA'S LADLING ELECTION LAW

12831
06:53:02,166 --> 06:53:02,533
SCHOLARS.

12832
06:53:02,533 --> 06:53:04,000
WHAT ROLE DOES IMPEACHMENT PLAY

12833
06:53:04,000 --> 06:53:05,700
IN PROTECTING THE INTEGRITY OF

12834
06:53:05,700 --> 06:53:08,533
OUR ELECTIONS ESPECIALLY IN THE

12835
06:53:08,533 --> 06:53:10,100
INTERNATIONAL CONTEXT IN WHICH

12836
06:53:10,100 --> 06:53:12,766
VLADIMIR PUTIN AND OTHER TYRANTS

12837
06:53:12,766 --> 06:53:15,466
AND DECEMBER PUDDLE ARE

12838
06:53:15,466 --> 06:53:20,100
INTERFERE -- DECEMBER PUTTS

12839
06:53:20,100 --> 06:53:22,166
DESHYPOTHESES INTERFERENCE IN --

12840
06:53:22,166 --> 06:53:23,866
>> SO THERE ISN'T INFLUENCE IN

12841
06:53:23,866 --> 06:53:25,066
OUR ELECTION AND ALLOWING THE

12842
06:53:25,066 --> 06:53:26,466
PRESIDENT TO CIRCUMVENT THAT

12843
06:53:26,466 --> 06:53:29,266
PRINCIPLE IS A PROBLEM AND AS

12844
06:53:29,266 --> 06:53:31,433
I'VE ALREADY TESTIFIED SEFLT

12845
06:53:31,433 --> 06:53:33,000
TIMES, AMERICA IS NOT JUST THE

12846
06:53:33,000 --> 06:53:35,200
LAST BEST HOPE AS MR. JEFFRIES

12847
06:53:35,200 --> 06:53:36,666
SAYS IT'S THE SHINING CITY ON

12848
06:53:36,666 --> 06:53:38,733
THE HILL AND WE CAN'T BE THE

12849
06:53:38,733 --> 06:53:40,266
SHINING CITY ON THE HILL AND

12850
06:53:40,266 --> 06:53:41,266
PROMOTE DEMOCRACY AROUND THE

12851
06:53:41,266 --> 06:53:42,533
WORLD AND WE'RE NOT PROMOTING IT

12852
06:53:42,533 --> 06:53:43,166
HERE AT HOME.

12853
06:53:43,166 --> 06:53:45,066
>> ANY ONE OF THESE ACTIONS

12854
06:53:45,066 --> 06:53:46,533
ALONE WOULD BE SUFFICIENT TO

12855
06:53:46,533 --> 06:53:47,433
IMPEACH THE PRESIDENT ACCORDING

12856
06:53:47,433 --> 06:53:49,133
TO THE FOUNDERS BUT IS IT FAIR

12857
06:53:49,133 --> 06:53:52,200
TO SAY ALL THREE CAUSES FOR

12858
06:53:52,200 --> 06:53:55,433
IMPEACHMENT EXPLUS ULY CONTELL

12859
06:53:55,433 --> 06:53:57,100
PLAIFTD BY THE FOUNDERS, ABUSIVE

12860
06:53:57,100 --> 06:54:00,200
POWER BETRAYAL OF OUR NATIONAL

12861
06:54:00,200 --> 06:54:01,533
SECURITY OF OUR ELECTION IS

12862
06:54:01,533 --> 06:54:03,200
PRESENT IN THIS PRESIDENT'S

12863
06:54:03,200 --> 06:54:03,533
CONDUCT.

12864
06:54:03,533 --> 06:54:04,300
YES OR NO, PROFESSOR FELDMAN.

12865
06:54:04,300 --> 06:54:05,300
>> YES.

12866
06:54:05,300 --> 06:54:07,466
>> PROFESSOR GERHARDT.

12867
06:54:07,466 --> 06:54:08,766
>> YES SIR.

12868
06:54:08,766 --> 06:54:09,866
>> PROFESSOR KARLAN.

12869
06:54:09,866 --> 06:54:10,466
>> YES.

12870
06:54:10,466 --> 06:54:11,733
>> YOU ALL AGREE.

12871
06:54:11,733 --> 06:54:13,866
ARE ANY OF YOU AWARE OF ANY

12872
06:54:13,866 --> 06:54:16,233
OTHER PRESIDENT WHO HAS

12873
06:54:16,233 --> 06:54:17,633
ESSENTIALLY TRIGGERED ALL THREE

12874
06:54:17,633 --> 06:54:19,066
CONCERNS THAT ANIMATED THE

12875
06:54:19,066 --> 06:54:19,433
FOUNDERS.

12876
06:54:19,433 --> 06:54:19,733
>> NO.

12877
06:54:19,733 --> 06:54:20,433
>> NO.

12878
06:54:20,433 --> 06:54:23,466
>> NO AS WELL.

12879
06:54:23,466 --> 06:54:25,700
>> MR. CHAIRMAN IT'S HARD TO

12880
06:54:25,700 --> 06:54:28,466
THINK OF A MORE MAMAN CULL

12881
06:54:28,466 --> 06:54:29,500
ISN'TMENT TO DO WHATEVER I WANT

12882
06:54:29,500 --> 06:54:30,966
AS PRESIDENT AND I YIELD BACK.

12883
06:54:30,966 --> 06:54:33,700
>> GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK.

12884
06:54:33,700 --> 06:54:34,066
MS. LESKO.

12885
06:54:34,066 --> 06:54:35,466
>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

12886
06:54:35,466 --> 06:54:37,666
MR. CHAIR I ASK UNANIMOUS

12887
06:54:37,666 --> 06:54:39,466
CONSENT TO INSERT INTO THE

12888
06:54:39,466 --> 06:54:41,800
RECORD A LETTER I WROTE AND SENT

12889
06:54:41,800 --> 06:54:44,200
TO YOU ASKING, CALLING ON YOU TO

12890
06:54:44,200 --> 06:54:46,800
CANCEL ANY AND ALL FUTURE

12891
06:54:46,800 --> 06:54:48,533
IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS AND

12892
06:54:48,533 --> 06:54:49,633
OUTLINING HOW THE PROCESS --

12893
06:54:49,633 --> 06:54:51,433
>> WITHOUT OBJECTION THE LETTER

12894
06:54:51,433 --> 06:54:53,300
WILL BE ENTERED INTO THE RECORD.

12895
06:54:53,300 --> 06:54:54,566
>> THANK YOU.

12896
06:54:54,566 --> 06:54:59,433
>> DURING AN INTERVIEW

12897
06:54:59,433 --> 06:55:01,566
MR. CHAIRMAN ON MSNBC MORNING

12898
06:55:01,566 --> 06:55:01,833
JOE.

12899
06:55:01,833 --> 06:55:04,533
ON NOVEMBER 26, 2018, CHAIRMAN

12900
06:55:04,533 --> 06:55:07,466
NADLER OUTLINED A THREE-PRONGED

12901
06:55:07,466 --> 06:55:09,200
TEST THAT HE SAID WOULD ALLOW

12902
06:55:09,200 --> 06:55:12,866
FOR A LEGITIMATE IMPEACHMENT

12903
06:55:12,866 --> 06:55:13,566
PROCEEDING.

12904
06:55:13,566 --> 06:55:21,800
NOW I QUOTE CHAIRMAN NADLER'S

12905
06:55:21,800 --> 06:55:22,133
REMARKS.

12906
06:55:22,133 --> 06:55:23,300
THIS WAS WHAT HE SAID.

12907
06:55:23,300 --> 06:55:25,666
THERE REALLY ARE THREE

12908
06:55:25,666 --> 06:55:27,466
QUESTIONS, I THINK.

12909
06:55:27,466 --> 06:55:29,400
FIRST HAS THE PRESIDENT

12910
06:55:29,400 --> 06:55:33,766
COMMITTED IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES?

12911
06:55:33,766 --> 06:55:34,100
SECOND.

12912
06:55:34,100 --> 06:55:35,533
DO THOSE OFFENSES RISE TO THE

12913
06:55:35,533 --> 06:55:37,033
GRAVITY THAT'S WORTH PUTTING THE

12914
06:55:37,033 --> 06:55:39,266
COUNTRY THROUGH THE DRAMA OF

12915
06:55:39,266 --> 06:55:39,666
IMPEACHMENT.

12916
06:55:39,666 --> 06:55:40,400
AND NUMBER THREE, BECAUSE YOU

12917
06:55:40,400 --> 06:55:42,600
DON'T WANT TO TEAR THE COUNTRY

12918
06:55:42,600 --> 06:55:44,400
APART, YOU DON'T WANT HALF OF

12919
06:55:44,400 --> 06:55:45,966
THE COUNTRY TO SAY TO THE OTHER

12920
06:55:45,966 --> 06:55:49,633
HALF FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS.

12921
06:55:49,633 --> 06:55:52,200
WE WON THE ELECTION, YOU STOLE

12922
06:55:52,200 --> 06:55:52,900
IT FROM US.

12923
06:55:52,900 --> 06:55:54,600
YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO THINK AT

12924
06:55:54,600 --> 06:55:56,366
THE BEGINNING OF THE IMPEACHMENT

12925
06:55:56,366 --> 06:55:59,066
PROCESS THAT THE EVIDENCE IS SO

12926
06:55:59,066 --> 06:56:03,433
CLEAR OF OFFENSES SO GRAVE THAT

12927
06:56:03,433 --> 06:56:05,700
ONCE YOU'VE LAID OUT ALL OF THE

12928
06:56:05,700 --> 06:56:08,700
EVIDENCE, A GOOD FRACTION OF THE

12929
06:56:08,700 --> 06:56:10,600
OPPOSITION, THE VOTERS WILL

12930
06:56:10,600 --> 06:56:11,733
RELUCTANTLY ADMIT TO THEMSELVES

12931
06:56:11,733 --> 06:56:14,600
THEY HAD TO DO IT.

12932
06:56:14,600 --> 06:56:18,366
OTHERWISE, YOU HAVE A PARTISAN

12933
06:56:18,366 --> 06:56:20,566
IMPEACHMENT WHICH WILL TEAR THE

12934
06:56:20,566 --> 06:56:21,800
COUNTRY APART.

12935
06:56:21,800 --> 06:56:24,233
IF YOU MEET THESE THREE TESTS,

12936
06:56:24,233 --> 06:56:26,866
THEN I THINK YOU DO THE

12937
06:56:26,866 --> 06:56:27,566
IMPEACHMENT AND THOSE WERE THE

12938
06:56:27,566 --> 06:56:29,900
WORDS OF CHAIRMAN NADLER.

12939
06:56:29,900 --> 06:56:33,600
NOW, LET'S SEE IF CHAIRMAN

12940
06:56:33,600 --> 06:56:35,466
NADLER'S THREE-PRONGED TEST HAS

12941
06:56:35,466 --> 06:56:38,766
BEEN MET.

12942
06:56:38,766 --> 06:56:39,600
FIRST HAS THE PRESIDENT

12943
06:56:39,600 --> 06:56:42,266
COMMITTED AN IMPEACHABLE

12944
06:56:42,266 --> 06:56:42,600
OFFENSE?

12945
06:56:42,600 --> 06:56:42,866
NO.

12946
06:56:42,866 --> 06:56:45,433
THE EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY HAS

12947
06:56:45,433 --> 06:56:49,666
NOT REVEALED ANY IMPEACHABLE

12948
06:56:49,666 --> 06:56:51,033
OFFENSE.

12949
06:56:51,033 --> 06:56:52,533
SECOND, DO THOSE OFFENSES RISE

12950
06:56:52,533 --> 06:56:53,933
TO THE GRAVITY THAT'S WORTH

12951
06:56:53,933 --> 06:56:54,966
PUTTING THE COUNTRY THROUGH THE

12952
06:56:54,966 --> 06:56:56,900
DRAMA OF IMPEACHMENT?

12953
06:56:56,900 --> 06:56:59,033
AGAIN THE ANSWER IS NO.

12954
06:56:59,033 --> 06:57:00,700
THERE'S NOTHING HERE THAT RISES

12955
06:57:00,700 --> 06:57:02,400
TO THE GRAVITY THAT'S WORTH

12956
06:57:02,400 --> 06:57:04,000
PUTTING THE COUNTRY THROUGH THE

12957
06:57:04,000 --> 06:57:10,366
DRAMA OF IMPEACHMENT AND THIRD

12958
06:57:10,366 --> 06:57:12,400
HAVE THE DEMOCRATS LAID OUT A

12959
06:57:12,400 --> 06:57:13,700
CASE SO CLEAR THAT EVEN THE

12960
06:57:13,700 --> 06:57:18,633
OPPOSITION HAS TO AGREE.

12961
06:57:18,633 --> 06:57:19,200
ABSOLUTELY NOT.

12962
06:57:19,200 --> 06:57:23,500
YOU AND HOUSE DEMOCRAT

12963
06:57:23,500 --> 06:57:25,766
LEADERSHIP ARE TEARING APART THE

12964
06:57:25,766 --> 06:57:26,100
COUNTRY.

12965
06:57:26,100 --> 06:57:26,833
YOU SAID THE EVIDENCE NIETZSCHE

12966
06:57:26,833 --> 06:57:30,433
TO BE CLEAR IT IS NOT.

12967
06:57:30,433 --> 06:57:33,833
YOU SAID OFFENSES NEED TO BE

12968
06:57:33,833 --> 06:57:34,133
GRAVE.

12969
06:57:34,133 --> 06:57:35,033
THEY ARE NOT.

12970
06:57:35,033 --> 06:57:36,566
YOU SAID ONCE THE EVIDENCE IS

12971
06:57:36,566 --> 06:57:38,100
LAID OUT THAT THE OPPOSITION

12972
06:57:38,100 --> 06:57:42,933
WILL ADMIT THEY HAD TO DO IT.

12973
06:57:42,933 --> 06:57:43,533
THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED.

12974
06:57:43,533 --> 06:57:45,433
IN FACT POLLING AND THE FACT

12975
06:57:45,433 --> 06:57:49,866
THAT NOT ONE SINGLE REPUBLICAN

12976
06:57:49,866 --> 06:57:54,333
VOTED ON THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY

12977
06:57:54,333 --> 06:57:55,433
RESOLUTION OR ON THE SCHIFF

12978
06:57:55,433 --> 06:58:01,366
REPORT REVEAL THE OPPOSITE IS

12979
06:58:01,366 --> 06:58:01,666
TRUE.

12980
06:58:01,666 --> 06:58:03,733
IN FACT WHAT YOU AND YOUR

12981
06:58:03,733 --> 06:58:04,900
DEMOCRATIC COLLEAGUES HAVE DONE

12982
06:58:04,900 --> 06:58:06,700
IS OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU SAID HAD

12983
06:58:06,700 --> 06:58:07,500
TO BE DONE.

12984
06:58:07,500 --> 06:58:11,000
THIS IS A PARTISAN IMPEACHMENT

12985
06:58:11,000 --> 06:58:12,800
AND IT IS TEARING THE COUNTRY

12986
06:58:12,800 --> 06:58:13,100
APART.

12987
06:58:13,100 --> 06:58:17,066
I TAKE THIS ALL TO MEAN THAT

12988
06:58:17,066 --> 06:58:18,666
CHAIRMAN NADLER ALONG WITH THE

12989
06:58:18,666 --> 06:58:23,333
REST OF THE DEMOCRATIC CAUCUS IS

12990
06:58:23,333 --> 06:58:24,866
PREPARED TO CONTINUE THESE

12991
06:58:24,866 --> 06:58:26,133
ENTIRELY PARTISAN UNFAIR

12992
06:58:26,133 --> 06:58:30,100
PROCEEDINGS AND TRAUMATIZE THE

12993
06:58:30,100 --> 06:58:31,466
AMERICAN PEOPLE ALL FOR

12994
06:58:31,466 --> 06:58:32,133
POLITICAL PURPOSE.

12995
06:58:32,133 --> 06:58:37,766
I THINK THAT'S A SHAME.

12996
06:58:37,766 --> 06:58:39,600
THAT'S NOT LEADERSHIP THAT'S A

12997
06:58:39,600 --> 06:58:39,900
SHAM.

12998
06:58:39,900 --> 06:58:46,466
SO I ASKED MR. TURLEY, HAS

12999
06:58:46,466 --> 06:58:47,966
MR. CHAIRMAN SATISFIED HIS

13000
06:58:47,966 --> 06:58:49,533
THREE-PRONGED TEST FOR

13001
06:58:49,533 --> 06:58:49,933
IMPEACHMENT.

13002
06:58:49,933 --> 06:58:51,300
>> WH ALL DIE RESPECT TO THE

13003
06:58:51,300 --> 06:58:52,133
CHAIRMAN I DO NOT BELIEVE THOSE

13004
06:58:52,133 --> 06:58:53,033
FACTORS WERE SATISFIED.

13005
06:58:53,033 --> 06:58:53,500
>> THANK YOU.

13006
06:58:53,500 --> 06:58:55,266
AND I WANT TO CORRECT SOMETHING

13007
06:58:55,266 --> 06:58:59,800
ARE TO THE RECORD AS WELL.

13008
06:58:59,800 --> 06:59:02,000
REPEATEDLY TODAY AND OTHER DAYS

13009
06:59:02,000 --> 06:59:03,133
DEMOCRATS HAVE REPEATED WHAT WAS

13010
06:59:03,133 --> 06:59:08,466
SAID IN THE TEXT OF THE CALL.

13011
06:59:08,466 --> 06:59:11,000
DO ME A FAVOR AND THEY IMPLIED

13012
06:59:11,000 --> 06:59:13,866
IT WAS AGAINST PRESIDENT BIDEN

13013
06:59:13,866 --> 06:59:15,500
TO INVESTIGATE PRESIDENT BIDEN.

13014
06:59:15,500 --> 06:59:17,066
IT WAS NOT, IN FACT LET ME READ

13015
06:59:17,066 --> 06:59:19,866
WHAT THE TRANSCRIPT SAYS.

13016
06:59:19,866 --> 06:59:21,700
IT SAYS TO PRESIDENT TRUMP I

13017
06:59:21,700 --> 06:59:23,233
WOULD LIKE YOU TO DO US A FAVOR

13018
06:59:23,233 --> 06:59:24,066
THOUGH BECAUSE OUR COUNTRY HAS

13019
06:59:24,066 --> 06:59:25,433
BEEN THROUGH A LOT AND UKRAINE

13020
06:59:25,433 --> 06:59:27,866
KNOWS A LOT ABOUT IT.

13021
06:59:27,866 --> 06:59:29,200
I WOULD LIKE YOU TO FIND OUT

13022
06:59:29,200 --> 06:59:31,100
WHAT HAPPENED WITH THIS WHOLE

13023
06:59:31,100 --> 06:59:32,833
SITUATION WITH UKRAINE.

13024
06:59:32,833 --> 06:59:34,033
THEY SAY CROWDSTRIKE.

13025
06:59:34,033 --> 06:59:36,733
I GUESS YOU HAVE ONE OF YOUR OWN

13026
06:59:36,733 --> 06:59:37,900
WEALTHY PEOPLE.

13027
06:59:37,900 --> 06:59:40,933
IT SAYS NOTHING ABOUT THE BIDENS

13028
06:59:40,933 --> 06:59:43,433
SO PLEASE STOP RIRCHESSING THOSE

13029
06:59:43,433 --> 06:59:46,133
TWO TOGETHER AND I YIELD BACK.

13030
06:59:46,133 --> 06:59:48,200
>> GENTLELADY YIELDS BACK.

13031
06:59:48,200 --> 06:59:48,833
>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

13032
06:59:48,833 --> 06:59:50,500
THIS IS A DEEPLY GRAVE MOMENT

13033
06:59:50,500 --> 06:59:52,966
THAT WE FIND OURSELVES IN AND I

13034
06:59:52,966 --> 06:59:54,333
THOUGHT THE THREAT TO OUR

13035
06:59:54,333 --> 06:59:56,000
NARRATION WAS WELL ARTICULATED

13036
06:59:56,000 --> 06:59:58,200
EARLIER TODAY BY PROFESSOR

13037
06:59:58,200 --> 07:00:00,533
FELDMAN WHEN YOU SAID IF WE

13038
07:00:00,533 --> 07:00:02,266
CANNOT IMPEACH A PRESIDENT WHO

13039
07:00:02,266 --> 07:00:04,633
ABUSES HIS OFFICE FOR PERSONAL

13040
07:00:04,633 --> 07:00:06,633
ADVANTAGE, WE NO LONGER LIVE IN

13041
07:00:06,633 --> 07:00:09,400
A DEMOCRACY, WE LIVE IN A

13042
07:00:09,400 --> 07:00:12,033
MONARCHY OR WE LIVE UNDER A

13043
07:00:12,033 --> 07:00:12,466
DICTATORSHIP.

13044
07:00:12,466 --> 07:00:15,400
MY VIEW IS THAT IF PEOPLE CANNOT

13045
07:00:15,400 --> 07:00:16,600
DEPEND ON THE FAIRNESS OF OUR

13046
07:00:16,600 --> 07:00:18,933
ELECTIONS, THEN WHAT PEOPLE ARE

13047
07:00:18,933 --> 07:00:20,866
CALLING DIVISIVE TODAY WILL BE

13048
07:00:20,866 --> 07:00:22,433
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING COMPARED TO

13049
07:00:22,433 --> 07:00:27,833
THE SHREDDING OF OUR DEMOCRACY.

13050
07:00:27,833 --> 07:00:29,833
AFTERNOON THE EVENTS OF UKRAINE

13051
07:00:29,833 --> 07:00:31,433
UNFOLDED THE PRESIDENT SAID THE

13052
07:00:31,433 --> 07:00:32,933
REASON HE REQUESTED AN

13053
07:00:32,933 --> 07:00:33,666
INVESTIGATION INTO HIS POLITICAL

13054
07:00:33,666 --> 07:00:36,433
AWE TONIGHT AND WITHHELD

13055
07:00:36,433 --> 07:00:37,633
DESPERATELY NEEDED MILITARY AID

13056
07:00:37,633 --> 07:00:38,733
FOR UKRAINE WAS SUPPOSED BECAUSE

13057
07:00:38,733 --> 07:00:41,000
HE WAS WORRIED ABOUT CUPPION.

13058
07:00:41,000 --> 07:00:43,400
HOWEVER, CONTRARY TO PRESIDENT'S

13059
07:00:43,400 --> 07:00:45,633
STATEMENTS, VARIOUS WITNESSES

13060
07:00:45,633 --> 07:00:46,966
INCLUDING VICE PRESIDENT PENCE'S

13061
07:00:46,966 --> 07:00:49,366
SPECIAL ADVISOR JENNIFER

13062
07:00:49,366 --> 07:00:51,400
WILLIAMS TESTIFIED THAT THE

13063
07:00:51,400 --> 07:00:52,466
PRESIDENT'S REQUEST WAS

13064
07:00:52,466 --> 07:00:52,833
POLITICAL.

13065
07:00:52,833 --> 07:00:53,266
TAKE A LISTEN.

13066
07:00:53,266 --> 07:00:55,233
>> I FOUND THE JULY 25TH PHONE

13067
07:00:55,233 --> 07:00:57,666
CALL UNUSUAL BECAUSE IN CONTRAST

13068
07:00:57,666 --> 07:00:59,600
TO OTHER PRESIDENTIAL CALLS I

13069
07:00:59,600 --> 07:01:01,500
HAD OBSERVED, IT INVOLVED

13070
07:01:01,500 --> 07:01:02,066
DISCUSSIONS OF MATTER.

13071
07:01:02,066 --> 07:01:03,200
PROFESSOR KARLAN IS IT COMMON

13072
07:01:03,200 --> 07:01:05,900
FOR SOMEONE WHO GETS CAUGHT TO

13073
07:01:05,900 --> 07:01:08,000
DENY THEIR BEHAVIOR IS

13074
07:01:08,000 --> 07:01:08,433
IMPERMISSIBLE?

13075
07:01:08,433 --> 07:01:08,933
>> ALMOST ALWAYS.

13076
07:01:08,933 --> 07:01:09,666
>> AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS

13077
07:01:09,666 --> 07:01:11,966
BEFORE US IS WHETHER THE

13078
07:01:11,966 --> 07:01:13,500
PRESIDENT'S CLAIM THAT HE CARED

13079
07:01:13,500 --> 07:01:15,433
ABOUT CORRUPTION IS ACTUALLY

13080
07:01:15,433 --> 07:01:15,800
CREDIBLE.

13081
07:01:15,800 --> 07:01:16,666
NOW YOU HAVE ARGUED BEFORE THE

13082
07:01:16,666 --> 07:01:18,200
SUPREME COURT AND THE SUPREME

13083
07:01:18,200 --> 07:01:19,933
COURT DETERMINED THAT WHEN

13084
07:01:19,933 --> 07:01:21,133
ASSESSING CREDIBILITY WE SHOULD

13085
07:01:21,133 --> 07:01:24,200
LOOK AT A NUMBER OF FACTORS

13086
07:01:24,200 --> 07:01:25,133
INCLUDING IMPACT, HISTORICAL

13087
07:01:25,133 --> 07:01:26,766
BACKGROUND AND WHETHER THERE ARE

13088
07:01:26,766 --> 07:01:28,866
DEPARTURES FROM NORMAL PRAWRS.

13089
07:01:28,866 --> 07:01:29,200
CORRECT.

13090
07:01:29,200 --> 07:01:29,733
>> THAT IS CORRECT.

13091
07:01:29,733 --> 07:01:30,500
>> SO WHAT WE ARE ULTIMATELY

13092
07:01:30,500 --> 07:01:34,600
TRYING TO DO IS FIGURE OUT IF

13093
07:01:34,600 --> 07:01:35,433
SOMEONE'S EXPLANATION FITS WITH

13094
07:01:35,433 --> 07:01:37,866
THE FACTS AND IF IT DOESN'T THEN

13095
07:01:37,866 --> 07:01:39,333
THE EXPLANATION MAY NOT BE TRUE.

13096
07:01:39,333 --> 07:01:41,733
SO LET'S EXPLORE THAT.

13097
07:01:41,733 --> 07:01:42,400
LIEUTENANT COLONEL VINDMAN

13098
07:01:42,400 --> 07:01:43,966
TESTIFIED THAT HE PREPARED

13099
07:01:43,966 --> 07:01:46,200
TALKING POINTS ON

13100
07:01:46,200 --> 07:01:46,900
ANTI-CORRUPTION REFORM FOR

13101
07:01:46,900 --> 07:01:49,700
PRESIDENT TRUMP'S CALL WITH

13102
07:01:49,700 --> 07:01:51,366
UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT ZELENSKY,

13103
07:01:51,366 --> 07:01:52,966
HOWEVER BASED ON THE TRANSCRIPTS

13104
07:01:52,966 --> 07:01:54,666
RELEASED OF THOSE CALLS THIS

13105
07:01:54,666 --> 07:01:57,500
APRIL AND JULY PRESIDENT TRUMP

13106
07:01:57,500 --> 07:01:59,933
NEVER MENTIONED THESE POINTS OF

13107
07:01:59,933 --> 07:02:00,400
CORRUPTION.

13108
07:02:00,400 --> 07:02:02,000
HE ACTUALLY NEVER MENTIONED THE

13109
07:02:02,000 --> 07:02:03,266
WORD CORRUPTION.

13110
07:02:03,266 --> 07:02:05,333
DOES THAT GO TO ANY OF THOSE

13111
07:02:05,333 --> 07:02:05,700
FACTORS?

13112
07:02:05,700 --> 07:02:06,266
IS THAT SIGNIFICANT?

13113
07:02:06,266 --> 07:02:08,633
>> YES, IT GOES TO THE ONE ABOUT

13114
07:02:08,633 --> 07:02:09,466
PROCEDURAL IRREGULARITIES AND

13115
07:02:09,466 --> 07:02:10,766
ALSO GOES TO THE ONE THAT SAYS

13116
07:02:10,766 --> 07:02:13,400
YOU LOOK AT THE KIND OF THINGS

13117
07:02:13,400 --> 07:02:14,766
THAT LED UP TO THE DECISION THAT

13118
07:02:14,766 --> 07:02:16,033
YOU ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT

13119
07:02:16,033 --> 07:02:17,333
SOME OF THESE MOTIVES ABOUT.

13120
07:02:17,333 --> 07:02:19,433
>> LET'S TRY ANOTHER ONE,

13121
07:02:19,433 --> 07:02:20,800
AMBASSADOR VOLKER TESTIFIED THE

13122
07:02:20,800 --> 07:02:22,200
PRESIDENT NEVER EXPRESSED MY

13123
07:02:22,200 --> 07:02:24,333
CONCERNS TO HIM ABOUT CORRUPTION

13124
07:02:24,333 --> 07:02:26,700
IN ANY COUNTRY OTHER THAN

13125
07:02:26,700 --> 07:02:27,033
UKRAINE.

13126
07:02:27,033 --> 07:02:28,166
WOULD THAT BE RELEVANT TO YOUR

13127
07:02:28,166 --> 07:02:28,566
ASSESSMENT?

13128
07:02:28,566 --> 07:02:29,333
>> YES, IT WOULD.

13129
07:02:29,333 --> 07:02:31,433
IT GOES TO THE FACTOR ABOUT

13130
07:02:31,433 --> 07:02:32,633
SUBSTANTIVE DEPARTURES.

13131
07:02:32,633 --> 07:02:34,666
>> AND PROFESSOR KARLAN, THERE

13132
07:02:34,666 --> 07:02:39,433
IS, IN FACT, AND MY COLLEAGUE,

13133
07:02:39,433 --> 07:02:40,600
MR. MCCLINTOCK MENTIONED THIS

13134
07:02:40,600 --> 07:02:41,866
EARLIER, PROCESS OUTLINED IN THE

13135
07:02:41,866 --> 07:02:42,800
NATIONAL DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION

13136
07:02:42,800 --> 07:02:44,900
ACT TO ASSESS WHETHER COUNTRIES

13137
07:02:44,900 --> 07:02:46,566
THAT ARE RECEIVING MILITARY AID

13138
07:02:46,566 --> 07:02:49,233
HAVE DONE ENOUGH TO FIGHT

13139
07:02:49,233 --> 07:02:49,633
CORRUPTION.

13140
07:02:49,633 --> 07:02:51,833
IN MAY OF 2019, MY REPUBLICAN

13141
07:02:51,833 --> 07:02:53,500
COLLEAGUE DID NOT SAY THIS, THE

13142
07:02:53,500 --> 07:02:54,566
DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE ACTUALLY

13143
07:02:54,566 --> 07:02:57,400
WROTE A LETTER DETERMINING THAT

13144
07:02:57,400 --> 07:02:59,433
UKRAINE PASSED THIS ASSESSMENT

13145
07:02:59,433 --> 07:03:01,900
AND YET PRESIDENT TRUMP SET

13146
07:03:01,900 --> 07:03:03,400
ASIDE THAT ASSESSMENT AND

13147
07:03:03,400 --> 07:03:05,700
WITHHELD THE CONGRESSIONALLY

13148
07:03:05,700 --> 07:03:08,333
APPROVED AID TO UKRAINE ANYWAY

13149
07:03:08,333 --> 07:03:11,200
IN DIRECT CONTRADICTION TO THE

13150
07:03:11,200 --> 07:03:12,733
ESTABLISHED PROCEDURES HE SHOULD

13151
07:03:12,733 --> 07:03:15,466
HAVE FOLLOWED HAD HE CARED ABOUT

13152
07:03:15,466 --> 07:03:15,866
CORRUPTION.

13153
07:03:15,866 --> 07:03:17,000
IS THAT ASSESSMENT -- IS THAT

13154
07:03:17,000 --> 07:03:17,666
RELEVANT TO YOUR ASSESSMENT?

13155
07:03:17,666 --> 07:03:19,066
>> YES, THAT WOULD ALSO GO TO

13156
07:03:19,066 --> 07:03:21,266
THE FACTORS THE SUPREME COURT

13157
07:03:21,266 --> 07:03:21,633
DISCUSSED.

13158
07:03:21,633 --> 07:03:22,566
>> AND WHAT ABOUT THE FACT AND I

13159
07:03:22,566 --> 07:03:24,333
THINK YOU MENTIONED THIS EARLIER

13160
07:03:24,333 --> 07:03:27,433
AS ONE OF THE KEY THINGS THAT

13161
07:03:27,433 --> 07:03:28,966
YOU READ IN THE TESTIMONY THAT

13162
07:03:28,966 --> 07:03:31,433
PRESIDENT TRUMP WANTED THE

13163
07:03:31,433 --> 07:03:33,366
INVESTIGATIONS OF BURISMA AND

13164
07:03:33,366 --> 07:03:36,100
THE BIDE DENSE, BIDENS ANNOUNCED

13165
07:03:36,100 --> 07:03:38,000
BUT ACTUALLY DIDN'T CARE WHETHER

13166
07:03:38,000 --> 07:03:40,333
THEY WERE CONNECTED.

13167
07:03:40,333 --> 07:03:41,700
THAT WAS AMBASSADOR SONDLAND'S

13168
07:03:41,700 --> 07:03:42,833
TESTIMONY, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY

13169
07:03:42,833 --> 07:03:43,233
ABOUT THAT?

13170
07:03:43,233 --> 07:03:43,966
>> THAT GOES TO WHETHER THE

13171
07:03:43,966 --> 07:03:47,233
CLAIM THAT THIS IS ABOUT

13172
07:03:47,233 --> 07:03:48,633
POLITICS IS A PERSUASIVE CLAIM

13173
07:03:48,633 --> 07:03:49,933
BECAUSE THAT GOES TO THE FACT

13174
07:03:49,933 --> 07:03:51,733
THAT IT IS BEING ANNOUNCED

13175
07:03:51,733 --> 07:03:52,633
PUBLICLY WHICH IS AN ODD THING.

13176
07:03:52,633 --> 07:03:55,066
I MEAN, MAYBE MR. SWALWELL CAN

13177
07:03:55,066 --> 07:03:56,133
PROBABLY ANSWER THIS BETTER THAN

13178
07:03:56,133 --> 07:03:57,333
I BECAUSE HE WAS A PROSECUTOR

13179
07:03:57,333 --> 07:03:59,033
BUT GENERALLY YOU DON'T ANNOUNCE

13180
07:03:59,033 --> 07:04:01,433
THE INVESTIGATION IN A CRIMINAL

13181
07:04:01,433 --> 07:04:02,300
CASE BEFORE YOU CONDUCT IT

13182
07:04:02,300 --> 07:04:04,066
BECAUSE IT PUTS THE PERSON ON

13183
07:04:04,066 --> 07:04:04,633
NOTICE.

13184
07:04:04,633 --> 07:04:06,366
, THAT THEY ARE UNDER

13185
07:04:06,366 --> 07:04:06,800
INVESTIGATION.

13186
07:04:06,800 --> 07:04:08,700
>> AND GIVEN ALL OF THESE FACTS

13187
07:04:08,700 --> 07:04:10,300
AND THERE ARE MORE WE DON'T HAVE

13188
07:04:10,300 --> 07:04:13,100
TIME TO GET TO, HOW WOULD YOU

13189
07:04:13,100 --> 07:04:14,766
ASSESS THE CREDIBILITY OF THE

13190
07:04:14,766 --> 07:04:16,200
PRESIDENT'S CLAIM THAT HE WAS

13191
07:04:16,200 --> 07:04:16,833
WORRIED ABOUT CORRUPTION?

13192
07:04:16,833 --> 07:04:18,200
>> WELL I THINK YOU OUGHT TO

13193
07:04:18,200 --> 07:04:19,900
MAKE THAT CREDIBILITY

13194
07:04:19,900 --> 07:04:20,833
DETERMINATION BECAUSE YOU HAVE

13195
07:04:20,833 --> 07:04:22,433
THE SOLE POWER OF IMPEACHMENT.

13196
07:04:22,433 --> 07:04:23,933
IF I WERE A MEMBER OF THE HOUSE

13197
07:04:23,933 --> 07:04:25,333
OF REPRESENTATIVES, I WOULD WITH

13198
07:04:25,333 --> 07:04:26,800
INFER FROM THIS THAT HE WAS

13199
07:04:26,800 --> 07:04:28,400
DOING IT FOR POLITICAL REASONS.

13200
07:04:28,400 --> 07:04:31,233
IF WE DON'T STAND UP NOW TO A

13201
07:04:31,233 --> 07:04:32,866
PRESIDENT WHO ABUSES HIS POWER,

13202
07:04:32,866 --> 07:04:35,133
WE RISK SENDING A MENTAL TO ALL

13203
07:04:35,133 --> 07:04:37,133
FUTURE PRESIDENTS THAT THEY CAN

13204
07:04:37,133 --> 07:04:39,433
PUT THEIR OWN PERSONAL POLITICAL

13205
07:04:39,433 --> 07:04:40,800
INTERESTS AHEAD OF THE AMERICAN

13206
07:04:40,800 --> 07:04:41,633
PEOPLE, OUR NATIONAL SECURITY

13207
07:04:41,633 --> 07:04:44,000
AND OUR ELECTIONS AND THAT IS

13208
07:04:44,000 --> 07:04:45,933
THE GRAVEST OF THREATS TO OUR

13209
07:04:45,933 --> 07:04:48,433
DEMOCRACY, I YIELD BACK.

13210
07:04:48,433 --> 07:04:49,966
>> GENTLELADY YIELDS BACK.

13211
07:04:49,966 --> 07:04:55,066
I NOW RECORD MR. GO METERS.

13212
07:04:55,066 --> 07:04:55,433
>> GOMER.

13213
07:04:55,433 --> 07:04:59,366
>> I WOULD ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT

13214
07:04:59,366 --> 07:05:01,866
TO DA OFFER AN ARTICLE BY DANIEL

13215
07:05:01,866 --> 07:05:02,166
HUFF.

13216
07:05:02,166 --> 07:05:03,233
>> WITHOUT OBJECTION THE ARTICLE

13217
07:05:03,233 --> 07:05:04,266
WILL BE ENTERED INTO THE RECORD.

13218
07:05:04,266 --> 07:05:06,233
>> THANK YOU.

13219
07:05:06,233 --> 07:05:07,500
THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES MR. GRESH

13220
07:05:07,500 --> 07:05:09,500
THAT WILLER, TO QUESTION THE

13221
07:05:09,500 --> 07:05:10,400
WITNESSES.

13222
07:05:10,400 --> 07:05:12,633
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

13223
07:05:12,633 --> 07:05:13,500
STARTING OFF TODAY I AM DOING

13224
07:05:13,500 --> 07:05:15,466
SOMETHING THAT WROTE NORMALLY DO

13225
07:05:15,466 --> 07:05:16,566
AND I AM GOING TO QUOTE SPEAKER

13226
07:05:16,566 --> 07:05:19,266
OF THE HOUSE NANCY PELOSI.

13227
07:05:19,266 --> 07:05:20,700
IN MARCH THE SPEAKER TOLD THE

13228
07:05:20,700 --> 07:05:23,000
"WASHINGTON POST" I AM GOING TO

13229
07:05:23,000 --> 07:05:24,733
QUOTE THIS.

13230
07:05:24,733 --> 07:05:25,700
IMPEACHMENT IS SO DIVISIVE TO

13231
07:05:25,700 --> 07:05:27,766
THE COUNTRY THAT UNLESS THERE IS

13232
07:05:27,766 --> 07:05:30,766
SOMETHING SO COMPELLING AND

13233
07:05:30,766 --> 07:05:31,533
OVERWHELMING AND BIPARTISAN I

13234
07:05:31,533 --> 07:05:33,066
DON'T THINK WE SHOULD GO DOWN

13235
07:05:33,066 --> 07:05:36,733
THAT PATH BECAUSE IT DIVIDES THE

13236
07:05:36,733 --> 07:05:37,400
COUNTRY.

13237
07:05:37,400 --> 07:05:38,733
WELL ON THAT THE SPEAKER AND I

13238
07:05:38,733 --> 07:05:39,200
BOTH AGREE.

13239
07:05:39,200 --> 07:05:40,966
YOU KNOW WHO ELSE AGREES?

13240
07:05:40,966 --> 07:05:42,866
THE FOUNDING FATHERS.

13241
07:05:42,866 --> 07:05:45,166
THE FOUNDING FATHERS RECOGNIZES

13242
07:05:45,166 --> 07:05:46,833
THAT CRIMES WORTHY OF

13243
07:05:46,833 --> 07:05:48,300
IMPEACHMENT MUST BE SO SEVERE

13244
07:05:48,300 --> 07:05:49,100
REGARDLESS OF POLITICAL PARTY

13245
07:05:49,100 --> 07:05:53,333
THAT THERE IS AN AGREEMENT THE

13246
07:05:53,333 --> 07:05:54,200
ACTIONS ARE IMPEACHABLE.

13247
07:05:54,200 --> 07:05:56,300
WELL LET'S GO BACK TO SPEAKER

13248
07:05:56,300 --> 07:05:58,100
PELOSI'S WORDS, JUST ONE MORE

13249
07:05:58,100 --> 07:05:58,400
TIME.

13250
07:05:58,400 --> 07:06:01,600
SPEAKER SAYS THE CASE FOR

13251
07:06:01,600 --> 07:06:02,433
IMPEACHMENT MUST BE ALSO

13252
07:06:02,433 --> 07:06:02,833
COMPELLING.

13253
07:06:02,833 --> 07:06:04,666
WELL AFTER LAST MONTH'S SHIVER

13254
07:06:04,666 --> 07:06:06,033
SHOW THIS IS WHAT WE LEARNED.

13255
07:06:06,033 --> 07:06:08,033
THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT THE

13256
07:06:08,033 --> 07:06:10,400
PRESIDENT DIRECTED ANYONE TO

13257
07:06:10,400 --> 07:06:12,266
TELL THE UKRAINIANS THAT AID WAS

13258
07:06:12,266 --> 07:06:14,566
CONDITIONED ON INVESTIGATION.

13259
07:06:14,566 --> 07:06:16,633
ASIDE FROM THE MERE PRESUMPTIONS

13260
07:06:16,633 --> 07:06:19,466
BY BALANCES DO SONDLAND THERE IS

13261
07:06:19,466 --> 07:06:21,200
NO EVIDENCE THAT TRUMP WAS

13262
07:06:21,200 --> 07:06:21,833
CONDITIONING AID ON

13263
07:06:21,833 --> 07:06:22,900
INVESTIGATION AND IF YOU DOUBT

13264
07:06:22,900 --> 07:06:25,366
ME JUST GO BACK TO THE ACTUAL

13265
07:06:25,366 --> 07:06:26,100
TRANSCRIPT BECAUSE NEVER IN THAT

13266
07:06:26,100 --> 07:06:29,000
CALL WAS THE 2020 ELECTION

13267
07:06:29,000 --> 07:06:29,366
MENTIONED.

13268
07:06:29,366 --> 07:06:31,300
NEVER IN THAT CALL WAS MILITARY

13269
07:06:31,300 --> 07:06:32,000
AID MENTIONED.

13270
07:06:32,000 --> 07:06:34,666
IN FACT, PRESIDENT TRUMP TOLD

13271
07:06:34,666 --> 07:06:36,133
SENATOR JOHNSON ON 31 AUGUST

13272
07:06:36,133 --> 07:06:41,866
THAT AID WAS NOT CONDITIONED ON

13273
07:06:41,866 --> 07:06:42,300
INVESTIGATION.

13274
07:06:42,300 --> 07:06:43,400
RATHER, PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS

13275
07:06:43,400 --> 07:06:45,333
RIGHTFULLY SKEPTICAL ABOUT THE

13276
07:06:45,333 --> 07:06:46,500
UKRAINIANS, THEIR COUNTRY HAS A

13277
07:06:46,500 --> 07:06:47,733
HISTORY OF CORRUPTION AND MERELY

13278
07:06:47,733 --> 07:06:49,433
WANTED THE EUROPEANS TO

13279
07:06:49,433 --> 07:06:50,633
CONTRIBUTE MORE TO A PROBLEM IN

13280
07:06:50,633 --> 07:06:53,233
THEIR OWN BACKYARD.

13281
07:06:53,233 --> 07:06:55,133
I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE IT IS

13282
07:06:55,133 --> 07:06:56,700
APPROPRIATE FOR THE PRESIDENT AS

13283
07:06:56,700 --> 07:06:58,366
STEWARD OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO

13284
07:06:58,366 --> 07:07:01,566
ENSURE THAT OUR MONEY ISN'T

13285
07:07:01,566 --> 07:07:02,033
WASTED.

13286
07:07:02,033 --> 07:07:04,700
II SAY I WASN'T GOING TO GO BACK

13287
07:07:04,700 --> 07:07:06,266
TO SPEAKER PELOSI BUT I DO WANT

13288
07:07:06,266 --> 07:07:08,533
TO GO BACK BECAUSE I FORGOT SHE

13289
07:07:08,533 --> 07:07:09,533
ALSO SAID IMPEACHMENT SHOULD

13290
07:07:09,533 --> 07:07:11,400
ONLY BE PURSUED WHEN IT IS QUOTE

13291
07:07:11,400 --> 07:07:12,500
UNQUOTE OVERWHELMING SO IT IS

13292
07:07:12,500 --> 07:07:13,900
PROBABLY NOT GOOD FOR THE

13293
07:07:13,900 --> 07:07:15,500
DEMOCRATS THAT NONE OF THE

13294
07:07:15,500 --> 07:07:17,433
WITNESSES WHO TESTIFIED BEFORE

13295
07:07:17,433 --> 07:07:19,166
THE INTEL COMMITTEE WERE ABLE TO

13296
07:07:19,166 --> 07:07:22,500
PROVIDE FIRSTHAND EVIDENCE OF A

13297
07:07:22,500 --> 07:07:23,233
QUID PRO QUO.

13298
07:07:23,233 --> 07:07:24,633
THEY ARE CALLING IT BRIBERY

13299
07:07:24,633 --> 07:07:25,866
AFTER THE FOCUS GROUP LAST A

13300
07:07:25,866 --> 07:07:27,233
WEEK AND THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF

13301
07:07:27,233 --> 07:07:28,500
BRIBERY EITHER.

13302
07:07:28,500 --> 07:07:30,700
INSTEAD, THE TWO PEOPLE DID HAVE

13303
07:07:30,700 --> 07:07:32,033
FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE, THE

13304
07:07:32,033 --> 07:07:33,066
PRESIDENT, AND PRESIDENT

13305
07:07:33,066 --> 07:07:34,100
ZELENSKY BOTH SAY THERE WAS NO

13306
07:07:34,100 --> 07:07:35,466
PRESSURE ON THE UKRAINIANS.

13307
07:07:35,466 --> 07:07:38,166
AND AGAIN, THE TRANSCRIPT, THE

13308
07:07:38,166 --> 07:07:40,400
JULY 25TH BACKS THIS UP.

13309
07:07:40,400 --> 07:07:42,300
AND TO GO BACK TO NANCY PELOSI

13310
07:07:42,300 --> 07:07:44,033
ONE MORE TIME, SHE SAID THAT THE

13311
07:07:44,033 --> 07:07:45,933
MOVEMENT FOR IMPEACHMENT SHOULD

13312
07:07:45,933 --> 07:07:48,100
BE QUOTE UNQUOTE BIPARTISAN.

13313
07:07:48,100 --> 07:07:49,733
WHICH IS ACTUALLY THE SAME

13314
07:07:49,733 --> 07:07:52,033
SENTIMENT ECHOED BY OUR CHAIRMAN

13315
07:07:52,033 --> 07:07:53,900
JERRY NADLER WHO IN 1998 SAID

13316
07:07:53,900 --> 07:07:56,000
AND I QUOTE THERE MUST NEVER BE

13317
07:07:56,000 --> 07:07:58,433
A NARROWLY VOTED IMPEACHMENT

13318
07:07:58,433 --> 07:08:00,766
SUPPORTED BY ONE OF THE MAJOR

13319
07:08:00,766 --> 07:08:02,900
POLITICAL PARTIES AND OPPOSED BY

13320
07:08:02,900 --> 07:08:03,233
ANOTHER.

13321
07:08:03,233 --> 07:08:04,833
WELL, WHEN THE HOUSE VOTED ON

13322
07:08:04,833 --> 07:08:05,900
THE DEMOCRATS IMPEACHMENT

13323
07:08:05,900 --> 07:08:08,033
INQUIRY THERE WAS JUST THAT, IT

13324
07:08:08,033 --> 07:08:10,100
WAS ONLY BIPARTISAN VOTE WAS THE

13325
07:08:10,100 --> 07:08:12,066
ONE IMPOSING THE INQUIRY.

13326
07:08:12,066 --> 07:08:13,366
THE PARTISAN VOTE WAS THE ONE TO

13327
07:08:13,366 --> 07:08:15,500
MOVE FORWARD WITH THE INQUIRY.

13328
07:08:15,500 --> 07:08:21,433
SO WE ARE 0 FOR 3.

13329
07:08:21,433 --> 07:08:23,333
LET'S FACE IT, THIS IS A SHAM

13330
07:08:23,333 --> 07:08:25,400
IMPEACHMENT AGAINST PRESIDENT

13331
07:08:25,400 --> 07:08:25,700
TRUMP.

13332
07:08:25,700 --> 07:08:26,266
IT IS NOT COMPELLING.

13333
07:08:26,266 --> 07:08:28,033
IT IS NOT OVERWHELMING AND IT IS

13334
07:08:28,033 --> 07:08:28,600
NOT BIPARTISAN.

13335
07:08:28,600 --> 07:08:31,366
SO EVEN BY THE SPEAKER'S OWN

13336
07:08:31,366 --> 07:08:32,966
CRITERIA THIS HAS FAILED.

13337
07:08:32,966 --> 07:08:34,800
RATHER WHAT THIS IS IS NOTHING

13338
07:08:34,800 --> 07:08:36,900
MORE THAN A PARTISAN WITCH-HUNT

13339
07:08:36,900 --> 07:08:38,033
THAT DENIES FUNDAMENTAL FAIRNESS

13340
07:08:38,033 --> 07:08:40,266
OF OUR AMERICAN JUSTICE SYSTEM

13341
07:08:40,266 --> 07:08:42,800
AND DENIES DUE PROCESS TO THE

13342
07:08:42,800 --> 07:08:43,633
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

13343
07:08:43,633 --> 07:08:46,166
THE DEMOCRATS CASE IS BASED ON

13344
07:08:46,166 --> 07:08:47,666
NOTHING MORE THAN THOUGHTS,

13345
07:08:47,666 --> 07:08:50,466
FEELINGS AND CONJECTURES AND A

13346
07:08:50,466 --> 07:08:52,400
FEW THOUGHTS AND FEELINGS OF A

13347
07:08:52,400 --> 07:08:55,200
FEW UNELECTED CAREER BUREAUCRATS

13348
07:08:55,200 --> 07:08:55,600
BUREAUCRATS.

13349
07:08:55,600 --> 07:08:56,900
AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE

13350
07:08:56,900 --> 07:08:57,733
ABSOLUTELY FED UP.

13351
07:08:57,733 --> 07:08:58,766
INSTEAD OF WASTING OUR TIME ON

13352
07:08:58,766 --> 07:09:00,566
THIS WE SHOULD BE DOING THINGS

13353
07:09:00,566 --> 07:09:03,266
LIKE PASS THE USMCA, LOWERING

13354
07:09:03,266 --> 07:09:04,700
THE COST OF PRESCRIPTION DRUGS

13355
07:09:04,700 --> 07:09:07,500
AND WORKING ON A FAILING

13356
07:09:07,500 --> 07:09:09,600
INFRASTRUCTURE IN THIS COUNTRY.

13357
07:09:09,600 --> 07:09:10,333
WITH WITH THAT MR. TURLEY I

13358
07:09:10,333 --> 07:09:12,166
WATCH HOW YOUR WORDS HAVE BEEN

13359
07:09:12,166 --> 07:09:14,000
TWISTED AND MANGLED ALL

13360
07:09:14,000 --> 07:09:14,366
YEARLONG.

13361
07:09:14,366 --> 07:09:15,400
IS THERE, ALL DAY LONG IS THERE

13362
07:09:15,400 --> 07:09:16,966
ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO

13363
07:09:16,966 --> 07:09:17,300
CLARIFY?

13364
07:09:17,300 --> 07:09:19,133
>> ONLY THIS, I THINK ONE OF THE

13365
07:09:19,133 --> 07:09:20,133
DISAGREEMENTS WE HAD OR I HAD

13366
07:09:20,133 --> 07:09:26,033
WITH MY ESTEEMED COLLEAGUES IS

13367
07:09:26,033 --> 07:09:28,333
WHAT MAKES A LEGITIMATE

13368
07:09:28,333 --> 07:09:30,800
IMPEACHMENT, NOT WHAT

13369
07:09:30,800 --> 07:09:31,366
TECHNICALLY SATISFIES

13370
07:09:31,366 --> 07:09:32,233
IMPEACHMENT, THERE ARE VERY FEW

13371
07:09:32,233 --> 07:09:33,300
TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS OF AN

13372
07:09:33,300 --> 07:09:33,700
IMPEACHMENT.

13373
07:09:33,700 --> 07:09:35,700
THE QUESTION IS WHAT IS EXPECTED

13374
07:09:35,700 --> 07:09:38,600
OF YOU AND MY OBJECTION IS THAT

13375
07:09:38,600 --> 07:09:40,733
THERE IS A CONSTANT PREFERENCE

13376
07:09:40,733 --> 07:09:43,133
FOR INFERENCE OVER INFORMATION

13377
07:09:43,133 --> 07:09:44,033
OR PRESUMPTIONS OVER PROOF.

13378
07:09:44,033 --> 07:09:46,133
THAT'S BECAUSE THIS RECORD

13379
07:09:46,133 --> 07:09:47,833
HASN'T BEEN DEVELOPED AND IF YOU

13380
07:09:47,833 --> 07:09:49,266
ARE GOING TO REMOVE A PRESIDENT,

13381
07:09:49,266 --> 07:09:50,866
IF YOU BELIEVE IN DEMOCRACY, IF

13382
07:09:50,866 --> 07:09:53,700
YOU ARE GOING TO REMOVE A

13383
07:09:53,700 --> 07:09:55,200
SITTING PRESIDENT THEN YOU HAVE

13384
07:09:55,200 --> 07:09:57,300
AN OBLIGATION NOT TO RELY ON

13385
07:09:57,300 --> 07:09:59,400
INFERENCE WHEN THERE IS STILL

13386
07:09:59,400 --> 07:10:00,233
INFORMATION YOU CAN GATHER.

13387
07:10:00,233 --> 07:10:01,633
AND THAT'S WHAT I AM SAYING, IT

13388
07:10:01,633 --> 07:10:03,866
IS POT THAT YOU CAN'T DO THIS.

13389
07:10:03,866 --> 07:10:08,533
YOU JUST CAN'T DO IT THIS WAY.

13390
07:10:08,533 --> 07:10:09,166
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

13391
07:10:09,166 --> 07:10:11,433
>> THE GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK.

13392
07:10:11,433 --> 07:10:13,333
I NOW RECOGNIZE JACKSON LEE FOR

13393
07:10:13,333 --> 07:10:15,433
THE PURPOSE OF A UNANIMOUS

13394
07:10:15,433 --> 07:10:17,466
CONSENT REQUEST.

13395
07:10:17,466 --> 07:10:19,666
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN I WOULD

13396
07:10:19,666 --> 07:10:20,400
LIKE UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO PLACE

13397
07:10:20,400 --> 07:10:21,933
IN A RECORD, A NEW STATEMENT

13398
07:10:21,933 --> 07:10:22,866
FROM CHECKS AND BALANCES ON

13399
07:10:22,866 --> 07:10:24,566
PRESIDENT TRUMP'S ABUSE OF

13400
07:10:24,566 --> 07:10:24,933
OFFICE --

13401
07:10:24,933 --> 07:10:25,566
>> WITHOUT OBJECTION --

13402
07:10:25,566 --> 07:10:27,100
THE REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRATIC

13403
07:10:27,100 --> 07:10:27,633
ATTORNEY GENERAL --

13404
07:10:27,633 --> 07:10:29,933
>> ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT.

13405
07:10:29,933 --> 07:10:31,433
>> WITHOUT OBJECTION, I NOW

13406
07:10:31,433 --> 07:10:33,266
RECOGNIZE MS. DEMOCRAT MENTION

13407
07:10:33,266 --> 07:10:35,066
FIVE QUESTIONS FOR, DEMINGS,

13408
07:10:35,066 --> 07:10:38,133
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMANS AS

13409
07:10:38,133 --> 07:10:40,466
FORMER LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL

13410
07:10:40,466 --> 07:10:41,800
I KNOW FIRSTHAND THAT THE RULE

13411
07:10:41,800 --> 07:10:46,266
OF LAW IS THE STRENGTH OF OUR

13412
07:10:46,266 --> 07:10:46,633
DEMOCRACY.

13413
07:10:46,633 --> 07:10:49,966
AND NO ONE IS ABOVE IT.

13414
07:10:49,966 --> 07:10:53,900
NOT OUR NEIGHBORS IN OUR VARIOUS

13415
07:10:53,900 --> 07:10:55,066
COMMUNITIES, NOT OUR COWORKERS

13416
07:10:55,066 --> 07:10:55,933
AND NOT THE PRESIDENT OF THE

13417
07:10:55,933 --> 07:10:58,500
UNITED STATES.

13418
07:10:58,500 --> 07:10:59,900
YET THE PRESIDENT HAS SAID HE

13419
07:10:59,900 --> 07:11:03,000
CANNOT BE PROSECUTED FOR

13420
07:11:03,000 --> 07:11:04,133
CRIMINAL CONDUCT THAT HE NEED

13421
07:11:04,133 --> 07:11:07,466
NOT COMPLY WITH CONGRESSIONAL

13422
07:11:07,466 --> 07:11:08,633
REQUESTS AND SUBPOENAS.

13423
07:11:08,633 --> 07:11:09,666
AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE

13424
07:11:09,666 --> 07:11:12,900
PRESIDENT IS TRYING TO ABSORB

13425
07:11:12,900 --> 07:11:15,000
HIMSELF, ABSOLVE HIMSELF OF ANY

13426
07:11:15,000 --> 07:11:15,466
ACCOUNTABILITY.

13427
07:11:15,466 --> 07:11:16,866
SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE

13428
07:11:16,866 --> 07:11:18,833
INVESTIGATION IN EARLY

13429
07:11:18,833 --> 07:11:19,200
SEPTEMBER.

13430
07:11:19,200 --> 07:11:21,800
THE HOUSE SENT MULTIPLE LETTERS,

13431
07:11:21,800 --> 07:11:23,433
DOCUMENT REQUESTS AND SUBPOENAS

13432
07:11:23,433 --> 07:11:25,133
TO THE WHITE HOUSE.

13433
07:11:25,133 --> 07:11:28,100
YET THE PRESIDENT HAS REFUSED TO

13434
07:11:28,100 --> 07:11:30,200
PRODUCE DOCUMENTS AND HAS

13435
07:11:30,200 --> 07:11:34,033
DIRECTED OTHERS NOT TO PRODUCE

13436
07:11:34,033 --> 07:11:34,400
DOCUMENTS.

13437
07:11:34,400 --> 07:11:37,500
HE HAS PREVENTED, HE, WHITE

13438
07:11:37,500 --> 07:11:39,466
HOUSE OFFICIALS KEY WHITE HOUSE

13439
07:11:39,466 --> 07:11:41,800
OFFICIALS FROM TESTIFYING.

13440
07:11:41,800 --> 07:11:43,100
THE PRESIDENT'S 0 OBSTRUCTION OF

13441
07:11:43,100 --> 07:11:44,733
CONGRESS IS PERVASIVE.

13442
07:11:44,733 --> 07:11:46,500
SINCE HOUSE BEGAN ITS

13443
07:11:46,500 --> 07:11:49,100
INVESTIGATION, THE WHITE HOUSE

13444
07:11:49,100 --> 07:11:52,666
HAS PRODUCED ZERO SUBPOENAED

13445
07:11:52,666 --> 07:11:53,033
DOCUMENTS.

13446
07:11:53,033 --> 07:11:55,400
IN ADDITION, AT THE PRESIDENT'S

13447
07:11:55,400 --> 07:11:57,866
DIRECTION MORE THAN A DOZEN

13448
07:11:57,866 --> 07:11:59,400
MEMBERS OF HIS ADMINISTRATION

13449
07:11:59,400 --> 07:12:03,466
HAVE DEFIED CONGRESSIONAL

13450
07:12:03,466 --> 07:12:04,000
SUBPOENAS.

13451
07:12:04,000 --> 07:12:05,533
THE FOLLOWING SLIDES SHOWS THOSE

13452
07:12:05,533 --> 07:12:09,500
WHO HAVE REFUSED TO COMPLY AT

13453
07:12:09,500 --> 07:12:11,466
THE PRESIDENT'S DIRECTION.

13454
07:12:11,466 --> 07:12:15,466
WE ARE FACING A CATEGORICAL

13455
07:12:15,466 --> 07:12:18,466
BLOCKADE BAY PRESIDENT WHO IS

13456
07:12:18,466 --> 07:12:20,166
DESPERATE TO PREVENT ANY

13457
07:12:20,166 --> 07:12:23,466
INVESTIGATION INTO HIS

13458
07:12:23,466 --> 07:12:26,000
WRONGDOING.

13459
07:12:26,000 --> 07:12:28,666
PROFESSOR GERHARDT, HAS A

13460
07:12:28,666 --> 07:12:30,033
PRESIDENT EVER REFUSED TO

13461
07:12:30,033 --> 07:12:33,466
COOPERATE IN AN IMPEACHMENT

13462
07:12:33,466 --> 07:12:33,900
INVESTIGATION?

13463
07:12:33,900 --> 07:12:37,966
>> NONE UNTIL NOW.

13464
07:12:37,966 --> 07:12:40,666
>> AND ANY PRESIDENT WHO -- I

13465
07:12:40,666 --> 07:12:43,433
KNOW NIXON DELAYED OR TRIED TO

13466
07:12:43,433 --> 07:12:47,433
DELAY A TURNING OVER

13467
07:12:47,433 --> 07:12:47,833
INFORMATION.

13468
07:12:47,833 --> 07:12:48,600
WHEN THAT OCCURRED, WAS IT AT

13469
07:12:48,600 --> 07:12:51,566
THE SAME LEVEL THAT WE ARE

13470
07:12:51,566 --> 07:12:53,400
SEEING TODAY?

13471
07:12:53,400 --> 07:12:57,100
>> DASH COOPERATE AND TESTIFY,

13472
07:12:57,100 --> 07:12:59,133
DIDN'T SHUT DOWN IN ANY EVENT.

13473
07:12:59,133 --> 07:13:01,333
HE PRODUCED DOCUMENTS AND THERE

13474
07:13:01,333 --> 07:13:02,866
WERE TIMES, THERE WERE CERTAINLY

13475
07:13:02,866 --> 07:13:04,033
DISAGREEMENTS BUT THERE WAS NOT

13476
07:13:04,033 --> 07:13:06,100
A WHOLESALE, BROAD SCALE ACROSS

13477
07:13:06,100 --> 07:13:08,866
THE BOARD REFUSAL TO EVEN

13478
07:13:08,866 --> 07:13:10,400
RECOGNIZE THE LEGITIMACY OF THIS

13479
07:13:10,400 --> 07:13:12,433
HOUSE DOING AN INQUIRY.

13480
07:13:12,433 --> 07:13:14,233
>> PRESIDENT NIXON'S OBSTRUCTION

13481
07:13:14,233 --> 07:13:18,600
RESULT IN AN ARTICLE OF

13482
07:13:18,600 --> 07:13:19,000
IMPEACHMENT?

13483
07:13:19,000 --> 07:13:19,433
>> YES, MA'AM.

13484
07:13:19,433 --> 07:13:19,800
ARTICLE 3.

13485
07:13:19,800 --> 07:13:20,733
>> PROFESSOR FELDMAN, IS IT FAIR

13486
07:13:20,733 --> 07:13:23,466
TO SAY THAT IF A PRESIDENT

13487
07:13:23,466 --> 07:13:25,033
STONEWALLS AN INVESTIGATION LIKE

13488
07:13:25,033 --> 07:13:28,133
WE ARE CLEARLY SEEING TODAY AND

13489
07:13:28,133 --> 07:13:30,700
TO WHETHER HE HAS COMMITTED AN

13490
07:13:30,700 --> 07:13:31,833
IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE HE RISKS

13491
07:13:31,833 --> 07:13:34,233
RENDERING THE IMPEACHMENT POWER

13492
07:13:34,233 --> 07:13:34,533
MOOT?

13493
07:13:34,533 --> 07:13:34,866
>> YES.

13494
07:13:34,866 --> 07:13:36,700
AND INDEED THAT'S THE INEVITABLE

13495
07:13:36,700 --> 07:13:38,100
EFFECT OF A PRESIDENT REFUSING

13496
07:13:38,100 --> 07:13:38,600
TO PARTICIPATE.

13497
07:13:38,600 --> 07:13:41,166
HE IS DENYING THE POWER OF

13498
07:13:41,166 --> 07:13:42,333
CONGRESS UNDER THE CONSTITUTION

13499
07:13:42,333 --> 07:13:44,300
TO OVERSEE HIM AS TO EXERCISE

13500
07:13:44,300 --> 07:13:46,333
ITS CAPACITY TO IMPEACH.

13501
07:13:46,333 --> 07:13:48,233
>> PROFESSOR GERHARDT, WHEN A

13502
07:13:48,233 --> 07:13:51,433
PRESIDENT PREVENTS WITNESSES

13503
07:13:51,433 --> 07:13:52,233
FROM COMPLYING WITH

13504
07:13:52,233 --> 07:13:54,133
CONGRESSIONAL SUBPOENAS, ARE WE

13505
07:13:54,133 --> 07:13:56,833
ENTITLED TO MAKE ANY

13506
07:13:56,833 --> 07:13:57,500
PRESUMPTIONS ABOUT WHAT THEY

13507
07:13:57,500 --> 07:13:58,833
WOULD SAY IF THEY TESTIFIED?

13508
07:13:58,833 --> 07:13:59,433
>> YES, MA'AM.

13509
07:13:59,433 --> 07:13:59,933
YOU ARE.

13510
07:13:59,933 --> 07:14:02,000
AND I MIGHT JUST POINT OUT THAT

13511
07:14:02,000 --> 07:14:03,433
ONE OF THE DIFFICULTIES WITH

13512
07:14:03,433 --> 07:14:05,333
ASKING FOR MORE THOROUGH

13513
07:14:05,333 --> 07:14:06,400
INVESTIGATION IS THAT'S EXACTLY

13514
07:14:06,400 --> 07:14:07,500
WHAT THE HOUSE HAS TRIED TO

13515
07:14:07,500 --> 07:14:08,500
CONDUCT HERE AND THE PRESIDENT

13516
07:14:08,500 --> 07:14:09,700
HAS REFUSED TO COMPLY WITH

13517
07:14:09,700 --> 07:14:11,600
SUBPOENAS AND OTHER REQUESTS FOR

13518
07:14:11,600 --> 07:14:12,000
INFORMATION.

13519
07:14:12,000 --> 07:14:12,900
THAT IS WHERE THE BLOCKAGE

13520
07:14:12,900 --> 07:14:13,233
OCCURS.

13521
07:14:13,233 --> 07:14:14,866
THAT'S WHY THERE ARE DOCUMENTS

13522
07:14:14,866 --> 07:14:16,800
NOT PRODUCED AND WHILE THERE ARE

13523
07:14:16,800 --> 07:14:18,133
PEOPLE NOT TESTIFYING AND PEOPLE

13524
07:14:18,133 --> 07:14:19,466
HAVE SAID HERE TODAY THEY WANT

13525
07:14:19,466 --> 07:14:19,966
TO HEAR FROM.

13526
07:14:19,966 --> 07:14:22,700
IN RELATION TO WHAT YOU JUST

13527
07:14:22,700 --> 07:14:24,600
SAID, AMBASSADOR SO SONDLAND

13528
07:14:24,600 --> 07:14:25,566
TESTIFIED EVERYONE WAS IN THE

13529
07:14:25,566 --> 07:14:25,866
LOOP.

13530
07:14:25,866 --> 07:14:26,866
IT WAS NO SEEBT.

13531
07:14:26,866 --> 07:14:30,766
PROFESSOR GERHARDT, HOW IS

13532
07:14:30,766 --> 07:14:31,700
AMBASSADOR SONDLAND'S TESTIMONY

13533
07:14:31,700 --> 07:14:32,133
RELEVANT HERE?

13534
07:14:32,133 --> 07:14:34,433
>> HIS TESTIMONY IS RELEVANT, IT

13535
07:14:34,433 --> 07:14:36,400
IS ALSO RATHER CHILLING TO HEAR

13536
07:14:36,400 --> 07:14:37,966
HIM SAY THAT EVERYBO IS IN THE

13537
07:14:37,966 --> 07:14:39,533
LOOP AND WHEN HE SAYS THAT HE IS

13538
07:14:39,533 --> 07:14:41,066
TALKING ABOUT THE PEP AT THE

13539
07:14:41,066 --> 07:14:42,633
HIGHEST LEVELS OF OUR GOVERNMENT

13540
07:14:42,633 --> 07:14:44,500
ALL OF WHOM ARE REFUSING TO

13541
07:14:44,500 --> 07:14:46,566
TESTIFY UNDER OATH OR COMPLY

13542
07:14:46,566 --> 07:14:47,366
WITH SUBPOENAS.

13543
07:14:47,366 --> 07:14:48,233
>> PROFESSORS I WANT TO THANK

13544
07:14:48,233 --> 07:14:50,833
YOU FOR YOUR TESTIMONY.

13545
07:14:50,833 --> 07:14:51,933
THE PRESIDENT USED THE POWER OF

13546
07:14:51,933 --> 07:14:54,133
HIS OFFICE TO PRESSURE A FOREIGN

13547
07:14:54,133 --> 07:14:57,133
HEAD OF STATE TO INVESTIGATE AN

13548
07:14:57,133 --> 07:14:59,433
AMERICAN CITIZEN IN ORDER TO

13549
07:14:59,433 --> 07:15:02,633
BENEFIT HIS DOMESTIC POLITICAL

13550
07:15:02,633 --> 07:15:03,000
SITUATION.

13551
07:15:03,000 --> 07:15:05,200
AFTER HE WAS CAUGHT AND I DO

13552
07:15:05,200 --> 07:15:08,400
KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THAT, THIS

13553
07:15:08,400 --> 07:15:09,266
PRESIDENT PROCEEDED TO COVER IT

13554
07:15:09,266 --> 07:15:13,166
UP AND REFUSED TO COMPLY WITH

13555
07:15:13,166 --> 07:15:14,433
VALID CONGRESSIONAL SUBPOENAS.

13556
07:15:14,433 --> 07:15:18,100
THE FRAMERS INCLUDED IMPEACHMENT

13557
07:15:18,100 --> 07:15:21,866
IN THE CONSTITUTION TO ENSURE

13558
07:15:21,866 --> 07:15:26,733
THAT NO ONE, NO ONE IS ABOVE THE

13559
07:15:26,733 --> 07:15:29,433
LAW, INCLUDING AND ESPECIALLY

13560
07:15:29,433 --> 07:15:32,533
THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED

13561
07:15:32,533 --> 07:15:32,866
STATES.

13562
07:15:32,866 --> 07:15:33,433
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

13563
07:15:33,433 --> 07:15:35,133
AND I YIELD BACK.

13564
07:15:35,133 --> 07:15:37,566
>> GENTLELADY YIELDS BACK.

13565
07:15:37,566 --> 07:15:38,733
MR. KLEIN IS RECOGNIZED.

13566
07:15:38,733 --> 07:15:40,466
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, IT IS

13567
07:15:40,466 --> 07:15:41,600
JUST PAST 5:00 O'CLOCK AND A LOT

13568
07:15:41,600 --> 07:15:42,633
OF FAMILIES ARE JUST GETTING

13569
07:15:42,633 --> 07:15:44,000
HOME FROM WORK RIGHNOW AND

13570
07:15:44,000 --> 07:15:45,566
DURING ON THE TV AND THEY ARE

13571
07:15:45,566 --> 07:15:46,333
WONDERING WHAT THEY ARE WATCHING

13572
07:15:46,333 --> 07:15:46,766
ON TV.

13573
07:15:46,766 --> 07:15:48,866
THEY ARE ASKING THEMSELVES, IS

13574
07:15:48,866 --> 07:15:50,133
THIS A RERUN?

13575
07:15:50,133 --> 07:15:51,100
BECAUSE I THOUGHT I SHAW A

13576
07:15:51,100 --> 07:15:52,800
COUNSEL OF WEEKS AGO, BUT NO

13577
07:15:52,800 --> 07:15:54,566
THIS IS NOT A RERUN,

13578
07:15:54,566 --> 07:15:56,033
UNFORTUNATELY THIS IS ACT 2 OF

13579
07:15:56,033 --> 07:15:57,366
THE THREE PART TRAGEDY OF THE

13580
07:15:57,366 --> 07:15:58,666
IMPEACHMENT OF PRESIDENT TRUMP.

13581
07:15:58,666 --> 07:16:02,966
AND WHAT WE ARE SEEING HERE IS

13582
07:16:02,966 --> 07:16:05,166
SEVERAL VERY ACCOMPLISHED

13583
07:16:05,166 --> 07:16:07,666
CONSTITUTIONAL SCHOLARS

13584
07:16:07,666 --> 07:16:09,933
ATTEMPTING TO DIVINE THE INTENT,

13585
07:16:09,933 --> 07:16:13,233
WHETHER IT IS OF THE PRESIDENT

13586
07:16:13,233 --> 07:16:16,766
OR OF THE VARIOUS WITNESSES WHO

13587
07:16:16,766 --> 07:16:19,866
APPEARED DURING THE SCHIFF

13588
07:16:19,866 --> 07:16:20,966
HEARINGS AND IT IS VERY

13589
07:16:20,966 --> 07:16:23,033
FRUSTRATING TO ME AS A MEMBER OF

13590
07:16:23,033 --> 07:16:24,433
THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE WHY WE

13591
07:16:24,433 --> 07:16:26,966
ARE WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

13592
07:16:26,966 --> 07:16:28,933
I ASKED TO BE A MEMBER OF THIS

13593
07:16:28,933 --> 07:16:31,033
COMMITTEE BECAUSE OF ITS STORIED

13594
07:16:31,033 --> 07:16:32,966
HISTORY, BECAUSE IT WAS THE

13595
07:16:32,966 --> 07:16:36,000
DEFENDER OF THE CONSTITUTION.

13596
07:16:36,000 --> 07:16:38,933
BECAUSE IT WAS ONE OF THE OLDEST

13597
07:16:38,933 --> 07:16:41,033
COMMITTEES IN CONGRESS IN THE

13598
07:16:41,033 --> 07:16:43,066
CONGRESS ESTABLISHED BY ANOTHER

13599
07:16:43,066 --> 07:16:44,266
VIRGINIAN JEAN-GEORGE JACKSON.

13600
07:16:44,266 --> 07:16:45,633
IT IS BECAUSE TWO OF MY

13601
07:16:45,633 --> 07:16:47,733
IMMEDIATE PREDECESSORS,

13602
07:16:47,733 --> 07:16:49,133
CONGRESSMAN BOB GOOD LAD, WHO

13603
07:16:49,133 --> 07:16:51,766
CHAIRED THIS COMMITTEE, AND

13604
07:16:51,766 --> 07:16:54,133
CONGRESSMAN CALDWELL BUTLER ALSO

13605
07:16:54,133 --> 07:16:56,133
SERVED ON THIS COMMITTEE.

13606
07:16:56,133 --> 07:16:59,333
THE COMMITTEE THEY SERVED UNDER,

13607
07:16:59,333 --> 07:17:00,566
SERVED ON IS DEAD.

13608
07:17:00,566 --> 07:17:02,633
THAT COMMITTEE DOESN'T EXIST

13609
07:17:02,633 --> 07:17:02,966
ANYMORE.

13610
07:17:02,966 --> 07:17:04,633
THAT COMMITTEE IS GONE.

13611
07:17:04,633 --> 07:17:06,500
APPARENTLY NOW WE DON'T EVEN GET

13612
07:17:06,500 --> 07:17:08,700
TO SIT IN THE JUDICIARY

13613
07:17:08,700 --> 07:17:09,166
COMMITTEE ROOM.

13614
07:17:09,166 --> 07:17:12,000
WE ARE IN THE WAYS AND MEANS

13615
07:17:12,000 --> 07:17:12,466
COMMITTEE ROOM.

13616
07:17:12,466 --> 07:17:13,300
I DON'T KNOW WHY, MAYBE BECAUSE

13617
07:17:13,300 --> 07:17:14,833
THERE IS MORE ROOM.

13618
07:17:14,833 --> 07:17:17,700
MAYBE BECAUSE THE PORTRAITS OF

13619
07:17:17,700 --> 07:17:20,433
THE VARIOUS CHAIR -- CHAIRMEN

13620
07:17:20,433 --> 07:17:22,833
WHO WOULD BE STARING DOWN AT US

13621
07:17:22,833 --> 07:17:25,900
MIGHT JUST INTIMIDATE THE OTHER

13622
07:17:25,900 --> 07:17:28,000
SIDE AS THEY ATTEMPT WHAT IS

13623
07:17:28,000 --> 07:17:29,500
ESSENTIALLY A SHAM IMPEACHMENT

13624
07:17:29,500 --> 07:17:31,500
OF THIS PRESIDENT.

13625
07:17:31,500 --> 07:17:36,100
YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT WHERE WE

13626
07:17:36,100 --> 07:17:39,866
ARE, THE LACK OF THE USE OF THE

13627
07:17:39,866 --> 07:17:42,333
RODINO RULES IN THIS PROCESS IS

13628
07:17:42,333 --> 07:17:42,700
SHAMEFUL.

13629
07:17:42,700 --> 07:17:44,933
THE FACT THAT WE GOT WITNESS

13630
07:17:44,933 --> 07:17:47,400
TESTIMONY FOR THIS HEARING THIS

13631
07:17:47,400 --> 07:17:47,966
MORNING IS SHAMEFUL.

13632
07:17:47,966 --> 07:17:50,033
THE FACT THAT WE GOT THE

13633
07:17:50,033 --> 07:17:53,500
INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE REPORT

13634
07:17:53,500 --> 07:17:55,900
YESTERDAY, 300 PAGES OF IT IS

13635
07:17:55,900 --> 07:17:56,266
SHAMEFUL.

13636
07:17:56,266 --> 07:17:58,400
I WATCHED THE INTELLIGENCE

13637
07:17:58,400 --> 07:17:59,566
COMMITTEE HEARINGS FROM THE

13638
07:17:59,566 --> 07:18:00,966
BACK, ALTHOUGH I COULDN'T WATCH

13639
07:18:00,966 --> 07:18:04,200
THEM ALL BECAUSE THE JUDICIARY

13640
07:18:04,200 --> 07:18:04,866
COMMITTEE ACTUALLY SCHEDULED

13641
07:18:04,866 --> 07:18:06,700
BUSINESS DURING THE INTELLIGENCE

13642
07:18:06,700 --> 07:18:08,833
COMMITTEE HEARINGS, SO THE

13643
07:18:08,833 --> 07:18:09,566
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE MEMBERS WITH

13644
07:18:09,566 --> 07:18:10,466
RESPECT ABLE TO WATCH ALL OF

13645
07:18:10,466 --> 07:19:23,033
AT &F &C1 &D0 &Q6 S37=5 N0 &K0AD

13646
07:19:23,033 --> 07:19:26,600
THIS PRESIDENT IN 2016 AND IT IS

13647
07:19:26,600 --> 07:19:30,233
THE PEOPLE WHO SHOULD HAVE THE

13648
07:19:30,233 --> 07:19:31,100
CHOICE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT TO

13649
07:19:31,100 --> 07:19:34,233
VOTE FOR THIS PRESIDENT IN 2020,

13650
07:19:34,233 --> 07:19:36,566
NOT THE MEMBERS OF THIS

13651
07:19:36,566 --> 07:19:38,066
COMMITTEE, NOT SPEAKER NANCY

13652
07:19:38,066 --> 07:19:41,700
PELOSI AND NOT THE MEMBERS OF

13653
07:19:41,700 --> 07:19:42,466
THIS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.

13654
07:19:42,466 --> 07:19:43,966
IT SHOULD BE THE PEOPLE OF THE

13655
07:19:43,966 --> 07:19:47,133
UNITED STATES WHO GET TO DECIDE

13656
07:19:47,133 --> 07:19:50,300
WHO THEIR PRESIDENT IS IN 2020.

13657
07:19:50,300 --> 07:19:53,333
I ASKED SEVERAL QUESTIONS ABOUT

13658
07:19:53,333 --> 07:19:55,466
OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE TO

13659
07:19:55,466 --> 07:19:58,933
MR. MUELLER WHEN HE TESTIFIED.

13660
07:19:58,933 --> 07:20:00,766
MR. TURLEY, I KNOW THAT YOU

13661
07:20:00,766 --> 07:20:02,100
MENTIONED OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE

13662
07:20:02,100 --> 07:20:03,800
SEVERAL TIMES IN YOUR TESTIMONY.

13663
07:20:03,800 --> 07:20:05,700
I WANT TO YIELD TO MR. RATCLIFFE

13664
07:20:05,700 --> 07:20:07,433
TO ASK A CONCISE QUESTION ABOUT

13665
07:20:07,433 --> 07:20:08,900
THAT ISSUE.

13666
07:20:08,900 --> 07:20:12,933
>> I TAKE, I THANK THE GENTLEMAN

13667
07:20:12,933 --> 07:20:13,700
FOR YIELDING.

13668
07:20:13,700 --> 07:20:14,666
PROFESSOR TURLEY DESPITE NO

13669
07:20:14,666 --> 07:20:16,533
QUESTIONS TO ANY WITNESSES

13670
07:20:16,533 --> 07:20:17,400
DURING THE FIRST TWO MONTHS OF

13671
07:20:17,400 --> 07:20:19,333
THE FIRST PHASE OF THIS

13672
07:20:19,333 --> 07:20:20,600
IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY THAT THE

13673
07:20:20,600 --> 07:20:22,700
DEMOCRATS MAY BE DUSTING OFF THE

13674
07:20:22,700 --> 07:20:24,100
OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE PORTION

13675
07:20:24,100 --> 07:20:25,866
OF THE MUELLER REPORT.

13676
07:20:25,866 --> 07:20:28,300
IT SEEMS TO ME WE ALL REMEMBER

13677
07:20:28,300 --> 07:20:30,833
HOW PAINFUL IT WAS TO LISTEN TO

13678
07:20:30,833 --> 07:20:32,233
SPECIAL COUNSEL'S ANALYSIS OF

13679
07:20:32,233 --> 07:20:35,433
THE OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE

13680
07:20:35,433 --> 07:20:36,866
PORTION OF THAT REPORT.

13681
07:20:36,866 --> 07:20:38,600
I WOULD LIKE YOU TO ADDRESS THE

13682
07:20:38,600 --> 07:20:40,466
FATAL FLAWS FROM YOUR

13683
07:20:40,466 --> 07:20:41,666
PERSPECTIVE WITH REGARD TO THE

13684
07:20:41,666 --> 07:20:43,400
OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE PORTION

13685
07:20:43,400 --> 07:20:43,766
OF THAT --

13686
07:20:43,766 --> 07:20:45,700
>> THE GENTLEMAN'S TIME HAS

13687
07:20:45,700 --> 07:20:47,033
EXPIRED THE WITNESS MAY ANSWER

13688
07:20:47,033 --> 07:20:47,600
THE QUESTION BRIEFLY.

13689
07:20:47,600 --> 07:20:49,900
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

13690
07:20:49,900 --> 07:20:53,266
I HAVE BEEN A CRITIC OF THE

13691
07:20:53,266 --> 07:20:55,300
OBSTRUCTION THEORY BEHIND THE

13692
07:20:55,300 --> 07:20:56,900
RUSSIAN -- RUSSIA INVESTIGATION

13693
07:20:56,900 --> 07:20:57,800
BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN IT DOESN'T

13694
07:20:57,800 --> 07:20:59,433
MEET WHAT I THINK ARE THE CLEAR

13695
07:20:59,433 --> 07:21:02,500
STANDARDS FOR OBSTRUCTION.

13696
07:21:02,500 --> 07:21:04,700
WORDS THE MUELLER ADDRESSED THE

13697
07:21:04,700 --> 07:21:05,966
ONLY ONE THAT RAISED A SERIOUS

13698
07:21:05,966 --> 07:21:07,033
ISSUE QUITE FRANKLY WAS THE

13699
07:21:07,033 --> 07:21:08,800
MATTER WITH DON MCBEGAN.

13700
07:21:08,800 --> 07:21:11,233
THERE IS A DISAGREEMENT ABOUT

13701
07:21:11,233 --> 07:21:11,533
THAT.

13702
07:21:11,533 --> 07:21:12,266
BUT ALSO THE DEPARTMENT OF

13703
07:21:12,266 --> 07:21:13,800
JUSTICE REJECTED THE OBSTRUCTION

13704
07:21:13,800 --> 07:21:15,466
OF JUSTICE CLAIM AND IT WAS NOT

13705
07:21:15,466 --> 07:21:16,666
JUST THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.

13706
07:21:16,666 --> 07:21:18,833
IT WAS ALSO THE DEPUTY ATTORNEY

13707
07:21:18,833 --> 07:21:20,566
GENERAL, ROB ROSE ROSENSTEIN.

13708
07:21:20,566 --> 07:21:22,000
>> THE GENTLEMAN IS WELL

13709
07:21:22,000 --> 07:21:23,433
EXPIRED, THE GENTLEMAN'S TIME IS

13710
07:21:23,433 --> 07:21:25,366
WELL EXPIRED.

13711
07:21:25,366 --> 07:21:25,900
MR. CORREA.

13712
07:21:25,900 --> 07:21:27,433
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN AND I

13713
07:21:27,433 --> 07:21:28,366
WOULD LIKE TO THANK OUR

13714
07:21:28,366 --> 07:21:30,033
WITNESSES FOR BEING HERE TODAY.

13715
07:21:30,033 --> 07:21:31,800
I CAN ASSURE YOUR TESTIMONY IS

13716
07:21:31,800 --> 07:21:34,333
IMPORTANT NOT ONLY TO THIS

13717
07:21:34,333 --> 07:21:36,100
TO AMERICA THAT IS LISTENING

13718
07:21:36,100 --> 07:21:38,366
VERY INTENTLY ON WHAT THE ISSUES

13719
07:21:38,366 --> 07:21:41,533
BEFORE US ARE AND WHY IT IS SO

13720
07:21:41,533 --> 07:21:44,566
IMPORTANT THAT ALL OF US

13721
07:21:44,566 --> 07:21:47,433
UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES BEFORE US.

13722
07:21:47,433 --> 07:21:50,600
PROFESSOR FELDMAN, IT WAS JUST

13723
07:21:50,600 --> 07:21:52,033
DISCUSSED THANK PRESIDENT TRUMPS

13724
07:21:52,033 --> 07:21:54,033
ORDERED THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH TO

13725
07:21:54,033 --> 07:21:55,400
COMPLETELY BLOCKADE THE EFFORTS

13726
07:21:55,400 --> 07:21:57,533
OF THIS HOUSE TO INVESTIGATE

13727
07:21:57,533 --> 07:21:59,433
WHETHER HE COMMITTED HIGH CRIMES

13728
07:21:59,433 --> 07:22:00,966
AND MISDEMEANORS.

13729
07:22:00,966 --> 07:22:02,133
IN HIS DEALINGS WITH THE

13730
07:22:02,133 --> 07:22:02,766
UKRAINE; IS THAT CORRECT?

13731
07:22:02,766 --> 07:22:04,100
>> YES, IT IS.

13732
07:22:04,100 --> 07:22:05,666
>> PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS ALSO

13733
07:22:05,666 --> 07:22:09,300
ASSERTED THAT MANY OFFICIALS ARE

13734
07:22:09,300 --> 07:22:11,800
SOMEHOW ABSOLUTELY IMMUNE FROM

13735
07:22:11,800 --> 07:22:14,366
TESTIFYING IN THIS IMPEACHMENT

13736
07:22:14,366 --> 07:22:14,700
INQUIRY.

13737
07:22:14,700 --> 07:22:16,966
ON THE SCREEN BEHIND YOU, IS THE

13738
07:22:16,966 --> 07:22:18,433
OPINION BY JUDGE JACKSON, A

13739
07:22:18,433 --> 07:22:22,533
FEDERAL JUDGE HERE IN DC THAT

13740
07:22:22,533 --> 07:22:25,400
REJECT'S PRESIDENT TRUMP'S

13741
07:22:25,400 --> 07:22:26,333
ASSERTION.

13742
07:22:26,333 --> 07:22:27,766
PROFESSOR FELDMAN, DO YOU AGREE

13743
07:22:27,766 --> 07:22:29,533
WITH JUDGE JACKSON'S RULING THAT

13744
07:22:29,533 --> 07:22:32,500
PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS INVOKED A

13745
07:22:32,500 --> 07:22:34,233
NONEXISTENCE LEGAL BASIS TO

13746
07:22:34,233 --> 07:22:35,966
BLOCK WITNESSES FROM TESTIFYING

13747
07:22:35,966 --> 07:22:37,866
IN THIS IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY?

13748
07:22:37,866 --> 07:22:42,433
>> I AGREE WITH THE THRUST OF

13749
07:22:42,433 --> 07:22:43,933
JUDGE JACKSON'S OPINION, I THINK

13750
07:22:43,933 --> 07:22:45,800
SHE CORRECTLY HELD THERE IS NO

13751
07:22:45,800 --> 07:22:48,633
ABSOLUTE IMMUNITY WHICH WOULD

13752
07:22:48,633 --> 07:22:49,566
PROTECT A PRESIDENTIAL ADVISOR

13753
07:22:49,566 --> 07:22:51,666
FROM HAVING TO APPEAR BEFORE THE

13754
07:22:51,666 --> 07:22:53,100
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND

13755
07:22:53,100 --> 07:22:53,433
TESTIFY.

13756
07:22:53,433 --> 07:22:54,733
SHE DID NOT MAKE A RULING AS TO

13757
07:22:54,733 --> 07:22:55,433
WHETHER EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE

13758
07:22:55,433 --> 07:22:57,533
WOULD APPLY TO ANY GIVEN

13759
07:22:57,533 --> 07:22:58,700
SITUATION, AND I THINK THAT WAS

13760
07:22:58,700 --> 07:23:00,466
ALSO APPROPRIATE BECAUSE THE

13761
07:23:00,466 --> 07:23:01,566
ISSUE HAD NOT YET ARISEN.

13762
07:23:01,566 --> 07:23:04,533
LET ME QUOTE JUDGE JACKSON, THE

13763
07:23:04,533 --> 07:23:06,700
PRIMARY TAKE AWAY FROM THE PAST

13764
07:23:06,700 --> 07:23:10,466
250 YEARS OF RECORDED AMERICAN

13765
07:23:10,466 --> 07:23:13,666
HISTORY IS THAT PRESIDENTS ARE

13766
07:23:13,666 --> 07:23:16,033
NOT KINGS." PROFESSOR FELDMAN,

13767
07:23:16,033 --> 07:23:18,500
IN THE FRAMERS' VIEW DOES THE

13768
07:23:18,500 --> 07:23:19,466
PRESIDENT ACT MORE LIKE A LEADER

13769
07:23:19,466 --> 07:23:22,966
OF DEMOCRACY OR MORE LIKE A

13770
07:23:22,966 --> 07:23:25,066
MONARCH WHEN HE ORDERS OFFICIALS

13771
07:23:25,066 --> 07:23:27,466
TO DENY CONGRESS AS IT TRIES

13772
07:23:27,466 --> 07:23:30,466
INVESTIGATE ABUSE OF POWER AND

13773
07:23:30,466 --> 07:23:31,066
CORRUPTION OF ELECTED?

13774
07:23:31,066 --> 07:23:32,933
>> SIR, I DON'T EVEN THINK THE

13775
07:23:32,933 --> 07:23:33,700
REMAINERS COULD HAVE IMAGINED

13776
07:23:33,700 --> 07:23:35,433
THAT A PRESIDENT WOULD FLATLY

13777
07:23:35,433 --> 07:23:37,666
REFUSE TO PARTICIPATE IN AN

13778
07:23:37,666 --> 07:23:38,733
IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY, GIVEN THAT

13779
07:23:38,733 --> 07:23:41,033
THEY GAVE THE POWER OF

13780
07:23:41,033 --> 07:23:41,700
IMPEACHMENT TO THE HOUSE OF

13781
07:23:41,700 --> 07:23:43,366
REPRESENTATIVES AND ASSUMED THAT

13782
07:23:43,366 --> 07:23:44,166
STRUCTURE OF THE CONSTITUTION

13783
07:23:44,166 --> 07:23:45,866
WOULD ALLOW THE HOUSE TO OVERSEE

13784
07:23:45,866 --> 07:23:46,900
THE PRESIDENT.

13785
07:23:46,900 --> 07:23:48,166
THANK YOU.

13786
07:23:48,166 --> 07:23:49,133
PROFESSOR GERHARDT --

13787
07:23:49,133 --> 07:23:49,633
>> YES.

13788
07:23:49,633 --> 07:23:52,466
>> -- WHERE CAN WE LOOK IN THE

13789
07:23:52,466 --> 07:23:53,100
CONSTITUTION TO UNDERSTAND

13790
07:23:53,100 --> 07:23:54,366
WHETHER THE PRESIDENT MUST

13791
07:23:54,366 --> 07:23:56,900
COMPLY WITH THE IMPEACHMENT

13792
07:23:56,900 --> 07:23:57,366
INVESTIGATIONS?

13793
07:23:57,366 --> 07:23:58,233
>> I THINK YOU CAN LOOK

13794
07:23:58,233 --> 07:24:01,200
THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE

13795
07:24:01,200 --> 07:24:01,633
CONSTITUTION.

13796
07:24:01,633 --> 07:24:03,133
AA GOOD PLACE INCLUDES THE

13797
07:24:03,133 --> 07:24:04,500
SUPREMACY 0 CLAUSE THE PRESIDENT

13798
07:24:04,500 --> 07:24:06,500
TAKES AN OATH, TAKES AN OATH TO

13799
07:24:06,500 --> 07:24:07,266
SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE

13800
07:24:07,266 --> 07:24:08,100
CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED

13801
07:24:08,100 --> 07:24:08,633
STATES.

13802
07:24:08,633 --> 07:24:10,600
THAT MEANS THAT HE IS ASSUMING

13803
07:24:10,600 --> 07:24:13,233
OFFICE WITH CERTAIN CONSTRAINTS

13804
07:24:13,233 --> 07:24:14,733
ON WHAT HE MAY DO AND THAT THERE

13805
07:24:14,733 --> 07:24:17,033
ARE MEASURES FOR ACCOUNTABILITY

13806
07:24:17,033 --> 07:24:19,866
FOR ANY FAILURE TO OL' HIS DUTY

13807
07:24:19,866 --> 07:24:23,033
OR FOLLOW THE CONSTITUTION.

13808
07:24:23,033 --> 07:24:24,566
>> THANK YOU.

13809
07:24:24,566 --> 07:24:26,400
AND THE PRESIDENT HAS SAID HE IS

13810
07:24:26,400 --> 07:24:28,333
ABOVE THE LAW, THAT ARTICLE 2 OF

13811
07:24:28,333 --> 07:24:31,033
THE CONSTITUTION ALLOWS HIM TO,

13812
07:24:31,033 --> 07:24:34,233
AND I QUOTE, DO WHATEVER I WANT.

13813
07:24:34,233 --> 07:24:35,966
THAT CAN'T BE TRUE, JUDGE

13814
07:24:35,966 --> 07:24:37,233
JACKSON HAS SAID THAT NO ONE IS

13815
07:24:37,233 --> 07:24:40,733
ABOVE THE LAW.

13816
07:24:40,733 --> 07:24:43,433
PERSONALLY, I GREW UP IN

13817
07:24:43,433 --> 07:24:45,366
CALIFORNIA IN THE 1960S, IT WAS

13818
07:24:45,366 --> 07:24:47,300
A TIME WHEN WE WERE GOING TO

13819
07:24:47,300 --> 07:24:48,700
BEAT THE RUSSIANS TO THE MOON.

13820
07:24:48,700 --> 07:24:52,000
WE WERE FULL OF OPTIMISM.

13821
07:24:52,000 --> 07:24:53,500
WE BELIEVED IN THE AMERICAN

13822
07:24:53,500 --> 07:24:53,866
DEMOCRACY.

13823
07:24:53,866 --> 07:24:55,433
WE WERE THE BEST IN THE WORLD.

13824
07:24:55,433 --> 07:24:57,833
AND BACK HOME ON MAIN STREET, MY

13825
07:24:57,833 --> 07:25:01,233
MOM AND DAD STRUGGLED TO SURVIVE

13826
07:25:01,233 --> 07:25:01,966
DAY TO DAY.

13827
07:25:01,966 --> 07:25:04,900
MY MOM WORKED AS A MAID CLEANING

13828
07:25:04,900 --> 07:25:07,166
HOTEL ROOMS FOR A BUCK-50 AN

13829
07:25:07,166 --> 07:25:09,500
HOUR AND MY DAD WORKED AT A

13830
07:25:09,500 --> 07:25:11,200
LOCAL PAPER MILL TRYING TO

13831
07:25:11,200 --> 07:25:13,300
SURVIVE DAY TO DAY AND WHAT GOT

13832
07:25:13,300 --> 07:25:14,633
US UP IN THE MORNING WAS THE

13833
07:25:14,633 --> 07:25:16,466
BELIEF, THE OPTIMISM THAT

13834
07:25:16,466 --> 07:25:19,466
TOMORROW WAS GOING TO BE BETTER

13835
07:25:19,466 --> 07:25:20,333
THAN TODAY.

13836
07:25:20,333 --> 07:25:23,466
WE ARE A NATION OF PREMIUM,

13837
07:25:23,466 --> 07:25:25,133
DEMOCRACY, ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY

13838
07:25:25,133 --> 07:25:26,966
AND WE ALWAYS KNOW THAT TOMORROW

13839
07:25:26,966 --> 07:25:30,666
IS GOING TO BE BETTER AND TODAY

13840
07:25:30,666 --> 07:25:32,366
I PERSONALLY SENSE AS A

13841
07:25:32,366 --> 07:25:38,933
TESTAMENT FOR GREATNESS OF THIS

13842
07:25:38,933 --> 07:25:39,466
NATION.

13843
07:25:39,466 --> 07:25:43,266
AND I SIT HERE IN THIS COMMITTEE

13844
07:25:43,266 --> 07:25:45,333
ROOM ALSO WITH ONE VERY

13845
07:25:45,333 --> 07:25:46,400
IMPORTANT MISSION, WHICH IS TO

13846
07:25:46,400 --> 07:25:48,300
KEEP THE AMERICAN DREAM ALIVE,

13847
07:25:48,300 --> 07:25:50,900
TO ENSURE THAT ALL OF US ARE

13848
07:25:50,900 --> 07:25:52,700
EQUAL, TO ENSURE THAT NOBODY,

13849
07:25:52,700 --> 07:25:55,400
NOBODY IS ABOVE THE LAW AND TO

13850
07:25:55,400 --> 07:25:58,100
ENSURE THAT OUR CONSTITUTION AND

13851
07:25:58,100 --> 07:26:00,266
THAT OUR CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT

13852
07:26:00,266 --> 07:26:02,966
OF THE PRESIDENCY IS STILL

13853
07:26:02,966 --> 07:26:06,466
SOMETHING WITH MEANING.

13854
07:26:06,466 --> 07:26:08,300
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

13855
07:26:08,300 --> 07:26:08,766
I YIELD BACK.

13856
07:26:08,766 --> 07:26:11,500
>> THE GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK.

13857
07:26:11,500 --> 07:26:11,933
MR. ARMSTRONG.

13858
07:26:11,933 --> 07:26:12,633
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

13859
07:26:12,633 --> 07:26:13,500
YOU KNOW, ALL DAY LONG WE HAVE

13860
07:26:13,500 --> 07:26:14,866
BEEN SITTING HERE AND LISTENING

13861
07:26:14,866 --> 07:26:17,000
TO MY FRIENDS INTRODUCES AISLE

13862
07:26:17,000 --> 07:26:19,100
AND THEIR WITNESSES CLAIM THAT

13863
07:26:19,100 --> 07:26:20,966
PRESIDENT DEMANDED UKRAINE DO US

13864
07:26:20,966 --> 07:26:22,333
A FAVOR.

13865
07:26:22,333 --> 07:26:24,900
BY ASSISTING IN 2020 REELECTION

13866
07:26:24,900 --> 07:26:26,966
CAMPAIGN BEFORE HE WOULD RELEASE

13867
07:26:26,966 --> 07:26:27,933
THE MILITARY AID.

13868
07:26:27,933 --> 07:26:30,066
THIS IS LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE IN

13869
07:26:30,066 --> 07:26:31,466
THIS SHAM IMPEACHMENT

13870
07:26:31,466 --> 07:26:32,966
PURPOSEFULLY MISLEADING AND NOT

13871
07:26:32,966 --> 07:26:34,200
BASED ON THE FACTS.

13872
07:26:34,200 --> 07:26:36,700
SO LET'S REVIEW THE ACTUAL

13873
07:26:36,700 --> 07:26:37,433
TRANSCRIPT OF THE CALL.

13874
07:26:37,433 --> 07:26:39,800
NEVER MENTIONED THE 2020

13875
07:26:39,800 --> 07:26:40,433
ELECTION.

13876
07:26:40,433 --> 07:26:42,100
HE NEVER MENTIONED MILITARY AID.

13877
07:26:42,100 --> 07:26:45,466
IT DOES, HOWEVER, CLEARLY SHOW

13878
07:26:45,466 --> 07:26:47,466
THAT THE FAVOR THE PRESIDENT

13879
07:26:47,466 --> 07:26:49,100
REQUESTED WAS SISTER STANCE WITH

13880
07:26:49,100 --> 07:26:50,633
THE ONGOING INVESTIGATION INTO

13881
07:26:50,633 --> 07:26:51,466
THE 2016 ELECTION.

13882
07:26:51,466 --> 07:26:53,500
THOSE INVESTIGATIONS

13883
07:26:53,500 --> 07:26:55,433
PARTICULARLY THE ONE DONE, BEING

13884
07:26:55,433 --> 07:26:57,933
RUN BY U.S. ATTORNEY JEFF --

13885
07:26:57,933 --> 07:26:59,466
SHOULD CONCERN DEMOCRATS.

13886
07:26:59,466 --> 07:27:01,200
AND THE TRANSCRIPT OF THIS CALL

13887
07:27:01,200 --> 07:27:02,833
SHOWS THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS

13888
07:27:02,833 --> 07:27:04,266
WORRIED ABOUT THE EFFORTS OF THE

13889
07:27:04,266 --> 07:27:06,733
UKRAINE RELATING TO THE 2016

13890
07:27:06,733 --> 07:27:07,100
ELECTION.

13891
07:27:07,100 --> 07:27:08,833
WE KNOW THIS AND NOTICE I AM

13892
07:27:08,833 --> 07:27:11,033
USING THE WORD KNOW, AND NOT THE

13893
07:27:11,033 --> 07:27:11,666
WORD INFER.

13894
07:27:11,666 --> 07:27:13,466
FROM READING THE READING THE TRD

13895
07:27:13,466 --> 07:27:15,500
BECAUSE HE SPOKE ABOUT IT ENDING

13896
07:27:15,500 --> 07:27:16,466
WITH MUELLER.

13897
07:27:16,466 --> 07:27:18,266
WE KNOW THIS BECAUSE HE WANT IT

13898
07:27:18,266 --> 07:27:19,500
IS ATTORNEY GENERAL TO GET IN

13899
07:27:19,500 --> 07:27:22,700
TOUCH WITH UKRAINIANS ABOUT THE

13900
07:27:22,700 --> 07:27:23,000
ISSUE.

13901
07:27:23,000 --> 07:27:25,133
WE HAVE A TRADE DEAL WITH

13902
07:27:25,133 --> 07:27:26,500
UKRAINE GOVERNING THESE SORT OF

13903
07:27:26,500 --> 07:27:27,233
INTERNATIONAL INVESTIGATIONS BUT

13904
07:27:27,233 --> 07:27:28,366
LIKE SO MANY OTHER THINGS THESE

13905
07:27:28,366 --> 07:27:29,866
FACTS ARE INCONVENIENT FOR

13906
07:27:29,866 --> 07:27:31,500
DEMOCRATS, THEY DON'T FIT THE

13907
07:27:31,500 --> 07:27:32,966
IMPEACHMENT NARRATIVE SO THEY

13908
07:27:32,966 --> 07:27:35,066
ARE MISREPRESENTED OR IGNORED.

13909
07:27:35,066 --> 07:27:36,566
AND I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT WHEN

13910
07:27:36,566 --> 07:27:38,966
WE TALK ABOUT THIS, AND WHATEVER

13911
07:27:38,966 --> 07:27:39,700
THE BURDEN OF PROOF, BEYOND A

13912
07:27:39,700 --> 07:27:41,033
REASONABLE DOUBT, CLEAR AND

13913
07:27:41,033 --> 07:27:41,900
CONVINCING EVIDENCE, WHETHER IT

13914
07:27:41,900 --> 07:27:43,566
IS A JUDICIAL HEARING, A QUASI

13915
07:27:43,566 --> 07:27:44,866
JUDICIAL HEARING OR

13916
07:27:44,866 --> 07:27:45,566
CONGRESSIONAL HEARING, AND WE

13917
07:27:45,566 --> 07:27:47,000
ARE TALKING ABOUT THESE ISSUES I

13918
07:27:47,000 --> 07:27:48,033
THINK WE NEED TO START WITH HOW

13919
07:27:48,033 --> 07:27:50,933
WE LOOK AT IT AND I AM NOT A

13920
07:27:50,933 --> 07:27:51,666
CONSTITUTIONAL LAW PROFESSOR, I

13921
07:27:51,666 --> 07:27:53,200
AM JUST AN OLD CRIMINAL DEFENSE

13922
07:27:53,200 --> 07:27:55,100
ATTORNEY BUT WHEN I WALKED INTO

13923
07:27:55,100 --> 07:27:56,433
A COURTROOM I THINK OF THREE

13924
07:27:56,433 --> 07:27:57,733
THINGS WHAT IS THE CRIME

13925
07:27:57,733 --> 07:27:58,566
CHARGED, WHAT THE CONDUCT AND

13926
07:27:58,566 --> 07:27:59,466
WHO IS VICTIM?

13927
07:27:59,466 --> 07:28:01,333
AND WE HAVE MANAGED TO MAKE IT

13928
07:28:01,333 --> 07:28:02,066
UNTIL 5:00 O'CLOCK TODAY BEFORE

13929
07:28:02,066 --> 07:28:03,100
WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE ALLEGED

13930
07:28:03,100 --> 07:28:05,300
VICTIM OF THE CRIME AND THAT ARE

13931
07:28:05,300 --> 07:28:07,266
A IS PRESIDENT ZELENSKY, AT

13932
07:28:07,266 --> 07:28:09,500
THREE DIFFERENT TIMES PRESIDENT

13933
07:28:09,500 --> 07:28:10,100
ZELENSKY AT LEAST THREE

13934
07:28:10,100 --> 07:28:12,133
DIFFERENT TIMES HAS DENIED BEING

13935
07:28:12,133 --> 07:28:13,300
PRESSURED BY THE REAL ESTATE,

13936
07:28:13,300 --> 07:28:13,800
PRESIDENT.

13937
07:28:13,800 --> 07:28:18,266
THE CALL SHOWS LAUGHTER,

13938
07:28:18,266 --> 07:28:19,366
PLEASANTRIES, CORDIALITY,

13939
07:28:19,366 --> 07:28:20,233
SEPTEMBER 25TH, PRESIDENT

13940
07:28:20,233 --> 07:28:22,033
ZELENSKY STATES, NO, YOU HEARD

13941
07:28:22,033 --> 07:28:23,500
THAT WE HAD A GOOD PHONE CALL.

13942
07:28:23,500 --> 07:28:26,066
IT WAS NORMAL, WE SPOKE ABOUT

13943
07:28:26,066 --> 07:28:27,666
MANY THINGS, I THINK YOU READ IT

13944
07:28:27,666 --> 07:28:29,600
AND NOBODY PUSHED ME.

13945
07:28:29,600 --> 07:28:31,466
OCTOBER -- OCTOBER 10TH

13946
07:28:31,466 --> 07:28:32,900
PRESIDENT ZELENSKY HAD A YES,

13947
07:28:32,900 --> 07:28:34,533
SIR CONFERENCE AND I ENCOURAGE

13948
07:28:34,533 --> 07:28:36,200
EVERYBODY TO WATCH IT EVEN IF

13949
07:28:36,200 --> 07:28:37,200
YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND IT,

13950
07:28:37,200 --> 07:28:38,566
90 PERCENT OF COMMUNICATION IS

13951
07:28:38,566 --> 07:28:39,466
NONVERBAL YOU TELL ME IF YOU

13952
07:28:39,466 --> 07:28:40,100
THINK SHE LYING.

13953
07:28:40,100 --> 07:28:43,466
THERE WAS NO BLACKMAIL.

13954
07:28:43,466 --> 07:28:44,666
DECEMBER 2ND, THIS MONDAY, I

13955
07:28:44,666 --> 07:28:46,433
NEVER TALKED TO THE PRESIDENT

13956
07:28:46,433 --> 07:28:48,766
FROM THE POSITION OF QUID PRO

13957
07:28:48,766 --> 07:28:49,433
QUO.

13958
07:28:49,433 --> 07:28:51,700
SO WE HAVE THE ALLEGED VICTIM OF

13959
07:28:51,700 --> 07:28:54,366
QUID PRO QUO, BRIBERY, EX-, TO,

13960
07:28:54,366 --> 07:28:56,800
WHATEVER WE ARE DEALING WITH NOW

13961
07:28:56,800 --> 07:28:57,900
REPEATEDLY AND ADAMANTLY

13962
07:28:57,900 --> 07:28:59,333
SHOUTING FROM THE ROOFTOPS THAT

13963
07:28:59,333 --> 07:29:01,466
HE NEVER FELT PRESSURE, THAT HE

13964
07:29:01,466 --> 07:29:03,800
WAS NOT THE VICTIM OF ANYTHING.

13965
07:29:03,800 --> 07:29:06,166
SO IN ORDER FOR THIS WHOLE THING

13966
07:29:06,166 --> 07:29:08,100
TO STICK WE HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT

13967
07:29:08,100 --> 07:29:10,566
PRESIDENT ZELENSKY IS A

13968
07:29:10,566 --> 07:29:12,466
PATHOLOGICAL LIAR OR THAT THE

13969
07:29:12,466 --> 07:29:13,366
UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT AND THE

13970
07:29:13,366 --> 07:29:15,833
COUNTRY ARE SO WEAK THAT HE HAS

13971
07:29:15,833 --> 07:29:17,700
NO CHOICE BUT TO PARADE HIMSELF

13972
07:29:17,700 --> 07:29:19,500
OUT THERE, DEMORAL LIES HIMSELF

13973
07:29:19,500 --> 07:29:21,933
FOR THE GOOD OF HIS COUNTRY.

13974
07:29:21,933 --> 07:29:23,500
EITHER OF THESE TWO ASSERTIONS

13975
07:29:23,500 --> 07:29:25,166
WEAKENS THEIR COUNTRIES AND

13976
07:29:25,166 --> 07:29:26,966
HARMS OUR EFFORTS TO HELP

13977
07:29:26,966 --> 07:29:27,500
UKRAINE.

13978
07:29:27,500 --> 07:29:29,800
AND ALSO BEGS THE QUESTION OF

13979
07:29:29,800 --> 07:29:32,533
HOW ON EARTH DID PRESIDENT

13980
07:29:32,533 --> 07:29:34,500
ZELENSKY WITHSTAND THIS ILLEGAL

13981
07:29:34,500 --> 07:29:35,900
AND IMPEACHABLE PRESSURE TO

13982
07:29:35,900 --> 07:29:37,900
BEGIN WITH BECAUSE THIS FACT

13983
07:29:37,900 --> 07:29:39,700
STILL HAS NOT CHANGED.

13984
07:29:39,700 --> 07:29:42,433
THE AID WAS RELEASED TO UKRAINE

13985
07:29:42,433 --> 07:29:44,633
AND DID NOT TAKE ANY ACTION FROM

13986
07:29:44,633 --> 07:29:46,066
THEM IN ORDER FOR IT TO FLOW AND

13987
07:29:46,066 --> 07:29:47,366
WITH THAT I YIELD TO MY FRIEND,

13988
07:29:47,366 --> 07:29:47,766
MR. JORDAN.

13989
07:29:47,766 --> 07:29:49,966
>> I THANK THE GENTLEMAN FOR

13990
07:29:49,966 --> 07:29:50,333
YIELDING.

13991
07:29:50,333 --> 07:29:51,433
PROFESSOR KARLAN CONTEXT IS

13992
07:29:51,433 --> 07:29:51,966
IMPORTANT, ISN'T IT?

13993
07:29:51,966 --> 07:29:52,400
>> YES, SIR.

13994
07:29:52,400 --> 07:29:53,766
>> YES BECAUSE JUST A FEW

13995
07:29:53,766 --> 07:29:56,233
MINUTES AGO WHEN OUR COLLEAGUE

13996
07:29:56,233 --> 07:29:57,433
FROM FLORIDA PRESENTED A

13997
07:29:57,433 --> 07:29:58,300
STATEMENT YOU MADE, YOU SAID

13998
07:29:58,300 --> 07:29:59,366
WELL YOU HAVE GOT TO TAKE THAT

13999
07:29:59,366 --> 07:30:00,733
STATEMENT IN CONTEXT BUT IT

14000
07:30:00,733 --> 07:30:02,233
SEEMS TO ME YOU DON'T WANT TO

14001
07:30:02,233 --> 07:30:03,266
EXTEND THE SAME OR APPLY THE

14002
07:30:03,266 --> 07:30:05,100
SAME STANDARD TO THE PRESIDENT

14003
07:30:05,100 --> 07:30:06,466
BECAUSE THE NOW FAMOUS QUOTE I

14004
07:30:06,466 --> 07:30:07,833
WOULD LIKE YOU TO DO US A FAVOR

14005
07:30:07,833 --> 07:30:09,500
YOU SAID ABOUT AN HOUR AND A

14006
07:30:09,500 --> 07:30:11,300
HALF AGO THAT DIDN'T MEAN, IT

14007
07:30:11,300 --> 07:30:13,066
DIDN'T MEAN US, IT MEANT THE

14008
07:30:13,066 --> 07:30:14,266
PRESIDENT HIMSELF.

14009
07:30:14,266 --> 07:30:15,600
BUT THAT IS THE CLEAR READING OF

14010
07:30:15,600 --> 07:30:17,400
THIS, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO DO US

14011
07:30:17,400 --> 07:30:19,133
A FAVOR, THOUGH -- YOU KNOW WHAT

14012
07:30:19,133 --> 07:30:20,633
THE NEXT TWO WORDS ARE?

14013
07:30:20,633 --> 07:30:21,333
>> I DON'T HAVE THE DOCUMENT.

14014
07:30:21,333 --> 07:30:23,600
>> I WILL TELL YOU BECAUSE OUR

14015
07:30:23,600 --> 07:30:24,733
COUNTRY, HE DIDN'T SAY I WOULD

14016
07:30:24,733 --> 07:30:26,633
LIKE YOU TO DO ME A FAVOR THOUGH

14017
07:30:26,633 --> 07:30:28,533
BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN THROUGH A

14018
07:30:28,533 --> 07:30:29,866
LOT, HE SAID I WANT YOU TO DO US

14019
07:30:29,866 --> 07:30:31,500
A FAVOR THOUGH BECAUSE OUR

14020
07:30:31,500 --> 07:30:32,833
COUNTRY HAS BEEN THROUGH A LOT.

14021
07:30:32,833 --> 07:30:34,700
YOU KNOW WHAT THIS HAPPENED?

14022
07:30:34,700 --> 07:30:35,700
IT HAPPENED THE DAY AFTER

14023
07:30:35,700 --> 07:30:38,000
MUELLER WAS IN FRONT OF IN

14024
07:30:38,000 --> 07:30:38,900
COMMITTEE, OF COURSE OUR COUNTRY

14025
07:30:38,900 --> 07:30:40,366
WAS PUT THROUGH TWO YEARS OF

14026
07:30:40,366 --> 07:30:41,966
THIS AND THE IDEA YOU ARE NOT

14027
07:30:41,966 --> 07:30:43,200
GOING TO SAY OH THIS IS THE

14028
07:30:43,200 --> 07:30:45,033
ROYAL WE AND HE IS TALKING ABOUT

14029
07:30:45,033 --> 07:30:46,866
HIMSELF IGNORES THE ENTIRE

14030
07:30:46,866 --> 07:30:48,366
CONTEXT OF HIS STATEMENT, THAT

14031
07:30:48,366 --> 07:30:50,033
WHOLE PARAGRAPH YOU KNOW WHAT HE

14032
07:30:50,033 --> 07:30:51,800
ENDS THAT PARAGRAPH WITH TALKING

14033
07:30:51,800 --> 07:30:53,966
ABOUT BOB MUELLER AND THIS IS

14034
07:30:53,966 --> 07:30:55,466
THE BASIS FOR THIS IMPEACHMENT?

14035
07:30:55,466 --> 07:30:56,466
THIS CALL?

14036
07:30:56,466 --> 07:30:58,233
IT COULDN'T BE FURTHER FROM THE

14037
07:30:58,233 --> 07:31:00,166
TRUTH YOU WANT THE STANDARD TO

14038
07:31:00,166 --> 07:31:01,966
APPLY WHEN REPRESENTATIVE GATES

14039
07:31:01,966 --> 07:31:03,300
MAKES ONE OF YOUR STATEMENTS OH

14040
07:31:03,300 --> 07:31:04,566
YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CONTEXT

14041
07:31:04,566 --> 07:31:05,300
BUT WHEN THE PRESIDENT OF THE

14042
07:31:05,300 --> 07:31:07,133
UNITED STATES IS CLEAR YOU TRY

14043
07:31:07,133 --> 07:31:08,366
TO CHANGE HIS WORDING WHEN THE

14044
07:31:08,366 --> 07:31:09,933
CON NEXT IS CLEAR HE IS TALKING

14045
07:31:09,933 --> 07:31:11,700
ABOUT THE TWO YEARS THAT THIS

14046
07:31:11,700 --> 07:31:12,466
COUNTRY WENT THROUGH BECAUSE OF

14047
07:31:12,466 --> 07:31:13,966
THIS MUELLER REPORT SOMEHOW THAT

14048
07:31:13,966 --> 07:31:15,166
STANDARD DOESN'T APPLY TO THE

14049
07:31:15,166 --> 07:31:15,533
PRESIDENT.

14050
07:31:15,533 --> 07:31:16,466
THAT IS RIDICULOUS.

14051
07:31:16,466 --> 07:31:19,433
>> THE GENTLEMAN'S TIME IS

14052
07:31:19,433 --> 07:31:20,266
EXPIRED.

14053
07:31:20,266 --> 07:31:20,666
MS. SCANLON.

14054
07:31:20,666 --> 07:31:22,300
I WANT TO THANK OUR

14055
07:31:22,300 --> 07:31:23,966
CONSTITUTIONAL EXPERTS FOR

14056
07:31:23,966 --> 07:31:25,366
WALKING US THROUGH THE FRAMER'S

14057
07:31:25,366 --> 07:31:26,900
THINKING ON IMPEACHMENT AND WHY

14058
07:31:26,900 --> 07:31:29,333
THEY DECIDED IT WAS A NECESSARY

14059
07:31:29,333 --> 07:31:31,033
PART OF OUR CONSTITUTION.

14060
07:31:31,033 --> 07:31:32,733
I AM GOING TO ASK YOU TO HELP US

14061
07:31:32,733 --> 07:31:34,633
UNDERSTAND THE IMPLICATIONS OF

14062
07:31:34,633 --> 07:31:38,266
THE PRESIDENT'S OBSTRUCTION OF

14063
07:31:38,266 --> 07:31:38,966
CONGRESS'S INVESTIGATION INTO

14064
07:31:38,966 --> 07:31:42,366
THE USE OF THE OFFICE OF THE

14065
07:31:42,366 --> 07:31:43,433
PRESIDENT TO SQUEEZE THE

14066
07:31:43,433 --> 07:31:44,833
UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT TO HELP THE

14067
07:31:44,833 --> 07:31:46,200
TRUMP REELECTION CAMPAIGN AND

14068
07:31:46,200 --> 07:31:47,166
THERE IS CERTAINLY HUNDREDS OF

14069
07:31:47,166 --> 07:31:52,066
PAGES ON HOW ONE REACHES THAT

14070
07:31:52,066 --> 07:31:52,633
CONCLUSION.

14071
07:31:52,633 --> 07:31:54,333
WITH, WE KNOW THE PRESIDENT'S

14072
07:31:54,333 --> 07:31:55,400
OBSTRUCTION DID NOT BEGIN WITH

14073
07:31:55,400 --> 07:31:56,033
THE UKRAINE INVESTIGATION.

14074
07:31:56,033 --> 07:31:58,466
INSTEAD HIS CONDUCT IS PART OF A

14075
07:31:58,466 --> 07:32:00,066
PATTERN AND I WILL DIRECT YOUR

14076
07:32:00,066 --> 07:32:02,600
ATTENTION TO THE TIMELINE ON THE

14077
07:32:02,600 --> 07:32:02,966
SCREEN.

14078
07:32:02,966 --> 07:32:04,666
IN THE LEFT-HAND COLUMN WE SEE

14079
07:32:04,666 --> 07:32:05,733
THE PRESIDENT'S STATEMENT FROM

14080
07:32:05,733 --> 07:32:07,466
HIS JULY COLUMN WHICH HE

14081
07:32:07,466 --> 07:32:09,733
PRESSURED UKRAINE, A FOREIGN

14082
07:32:09,733 --> 07:32:12,033
GOVERNMENT, TO MEDDLE IN OUR

14083
07:32:12,033 --> 07:32:12,400
ELECTIONS.

14084
07:32:12,400 --> 07:32:13,800
ANDAND THEN ONCE CONGRESS GOT WD

14085
07:32:13,800 --> 07:32:14,966
OF IT THE PRESIDENT TRIED TO

14086
07:32:14,966 --> 07:32:17,600
COVER UP HIS INVOLVEMENT BY

14087
07:32:17,600 --> 07:32:18,500
OBSTRUCTING THE CONGRESSIONAL

14088
07:32:18,500 --> 07:32:20,333
INVESTIGATION A IN RE, AND

14089
07:32:20,333 --> 07:32:21,066
REFUSING TO COOPERATE BUT THIS

14090
07:32:21,066 --> 07:32:21,966
ISN'T THE FIRST TIME WE HAVE

14091
07:32:21,966 --> 07:32:24,100
SEEN THIS KIND OF OBSTRUCTION.

14092
07:32:24,100 --> 07:32:27,433
IN THE RIGHT HAND COLUMN WE CAN

14093
07:32:27,433 --> 07:32:28,366
FLASHBACK TO THE 2016 ELECTION

14094
07:32:28,366 --> 07:32:31,433
WHEN THE PRESIDENT WELCOMED AND

14095
07:32:31,433 --> 07:32:33,833
USED RUSSIANS AND INTERFERENCE

14096
07:32:33,833 --> 07:32:35,733
IN OUR ELECTION AND 15 WHEN THE

14097
07:32:35,733 --> 07:32:37,000
SPECIAL COUNSEL AND THEN THIS

14098
07:32:37,000 --> 07:32:38,200
COMMITTEE TRIED TO INVESTIGATE

14099
07:32:38,200 --> 07:32:40,300
THE EXTENT OF HIS INVOLVEMENT HE

14100
07:32:40,300 --> 07:32:42,533
DID EVERYTHING HE COULD TO COVER

14101
07:32:42,533 --> 07:32:44,166
IT UP SO IT APPEARS THE

14102
07:32:44,166 --> 07:32:45,600
PRESIDENT'S OBSTRUCTION OF

14103
07:32:45,600 --> 07:32:47,300
INVESTIGATIONS IS PART OF A

14104
07:32:47,300 --> 07:32:47,633
PATTERN.

14105
07:32:47,633 --> 07:32:49,133
FIRST HE INVITES, INVITES

14106
07:32:49,133 --> 07:32:50,633
FOREIGN POWERS TO INTERFERE IN

14107
07:32:50,633 --> 07:32:52,033
OUR ELECTIONS AND THEN HE COVERS

14108
07:32:52,033 --> 07:32:53,866
IT UP AND FINALLY HE OBSTRUCTS

14109
07:32:53,866 --> 07:32:55,300
LAWFUL INQUIRIES INTO HIS

14110
07:32:55,300 --> 07:32:57,400
BEHAVIOR WHETHER BY CONGRESS OR

14111
07:32:57,400 --> 07:32:57,900
LAW ENFORCEMENT.

14112
07:32:57,900 --> 07:33:00,433
AND THEN HE DOES IT AGAIN.

14113
07:33:00,433 --> 07:33:01,433
SO PROFESSOR GERHARDT, HOW DOES

14114
07:33:01,433 --> 07:33:03,733
THE EXISTENCE OF SUCH A PATTERN

14115
07:33:03,733 --> 07:33:05,533
HELP DETERMINE WHETHER THE

14116
07:33:05,533 --> 07:33:06,600
PRESIDENT'S CONDUCT IS

14117
07:33:06,600 --> 07:33:07,000
IMPEACHABLE?

14118
07:33:07,000 --> 07:33:09,600
>> THE PATTERN OF COURSE GIVES

14119
07:33:09,600 --> 07:33:11,333
US A TREMENDOUS INSIGHT INTO THE

14120
07:33:11,333 --> 07:33:12,766
CONTEXT OF HIS BEHAVIOR.

14121
07:33:12,766 --> 07:33:14,800
WHEN HE IS ACTING AND HOW DO WE

14122
07:33:14,800 --> 07:33:16,066
EXPLAIN THOSE ACTIONS BY LOOKING

14123
07:33:16,066 --> 07:33:18,533
AT THE PATTERN AND WE CAN INFER

14124
07:33:18,533 --> 07:33:20,933
VERY -- I THINK A VERY STRONG

14125
07:33:20,933 --> 07:33:22,933
INFERENCE OF FACT IS THAT THIS

14126
07:33:22,933 --> 07:33:26,666
IS DEVIATING FROM THE USUAL

14127
07:33:26,666 --> 07:33:28,633
PRACTICE AND HE HAS BEEN

14128
07:33:28,633 --> 07:33:31,400
SYSTEMATICALLY HEADING TOWARDS A

14129
07:33:31,400 --> 07:33:32,900
CULMINATION WHERE HE CAN ASK

14130
07:33:32,900 --> 07:33:34,666
THIS QUESTION, BY THE WAY --

14131
07:33:34,666 --> 07:33:37,733
JULY 25TH CALL THE MONEY IS NOT

14132
07:33:37,733 --> 07:33:38,300
YET RELEASED.

14133
07:33:38,300 --> 07:33:39,300
AND THERE IS ON GOING

14134
07:33:39,300 --> 07:33:40,033
CONVERSATIONS WE LEARNED FROM

14135
07:33:40,033 --> 07:33:41,833
OTHER TESTIMONY THAT ESSENTIALLY

14136
07:33:41,833 --> 07:33:43,433
THE MONEY IS BEING WITHHELD

14137
07:33:43,433 --> 07:33:44,400
BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT WANTED TO

14138
07:33:44,400 --> 07:33:46,400
MAKE SURE THE DELIVERABLE WAS

14139
07:33:46,400 --> 07:33:48,900
GOING TO HAPPEN, THAT IS, THE

14140
07:33:48,900 --> 07:33:49,433
ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE

14141
07:33:49,433 --> 07:33:49,866
INVESTIGATION.

14142
07:33:49,866 --> 07:33:50,666
>> AND IN ADDITION TO THE MONEY

14143
07:33:50,666 --> 07:33:51,500
NOT BEING RELEASED THERE ALSO

14144
07:33:51,500 --> 07:33:53,666
WAS NOT THE WHITE HOUSE MEETING

14145
07:33:53,666 --> 07:33:56,933
WHICH WAS SO IMPORTANT TO

14146
07:33:56,933 --> 07:33:57,566
UKRAINIAN SECURITY, RIGHT?

14147
07:33:57,566 --> 07:33:58,033
>> THAT'S RIGHT.

14148
07:33:58,033 --> 07:33:58,433
>> OKAY.

14149
07:33:58,433 --> 07:34:01,266
PROFESSOR FELDMAN, WE NOTED

14150
07:34:01,266 --> 07:34:02,400
PREVIOUSLY THAT FEDERAL DISTRICT

14151
07:34:02,400 --> 07:34:04,033
COURT RECENTLY REJECTED THE

14152
07:34:04,033 --> 07:34:05,900
PRESIDENT'S ATTEMPT TO BLOCK

14153
07:34:05,900 --> 07:34:07,366
WITNESSES FROM TESTIFYING TO

14154
07:34:07,366 --> 07:34:09,466
CONGRESS SAYING THAT PRESIDENTS

14155
07:34:09,466 --> 07:34:10,166
ARE NOT KINGS.

14156
07:34:10,166 --> 07:34:11,733
THE FOUNDERS INCLUDED TWO

14157
07:34:11,733 --> 07:34:12,733
CRITICAL PROVISIONS IN OUR

14158
07:34:12,733 --> 07:34:14,400
CONSTITUTION TO PREVENT OUR

14159
07:34:14,400 --> 07:34:16,100
PRESIDENT FROM BECOMING A KING

14160
07:34:16,100 --> 07:34:17,900
AND OUR DEMOCRACY FROM BECOMING

14161
07:34:17,900 --> 07:34:19,200
A MONARCHY.

14162
07:34:19,200 --> 07:34:21,300
AND THOSE PROTECTIONS WERE

14163
07:34:21,300 --> 07:34:23,133
PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS AND

14164
07:34:23,133 --> 07:34:23,700
IMPEACHMENT, CORRECT?

14165
07:34:23,700 --> 07:34:25,466
>> CORRECT.

14166
07:34:25,466 --> 07:34:26,833
>> BASED ON THE PATTERN OF

14167
07:34:26,833 --> 07:34:27,600
CONDUCT WE ARE DISCUSSING TODAY,

14168
07:34:27,600 --> 07:34:29,600
THE PATTERN OF INVITING FOREIGN

14169
07:34:29,600 --> 07:34:30,900
INTERFERENCE IN OUR ELECTIONS

14170
07:34:30,900 --> 07:34:33,433
FOR POLITICAL GAIN AND THEN

14171
07:34:33,433 --> 07:34:34,866
OBSTRUCTING LAWFUL

14172
07:34:34,866 --> 07:34:36,433
INVESTIGATION, THAT PRESIDENT

14173
07:34:36,433 --> 07:34:37,466
UNDERMINED BOTH OF THOSE

14174
07:34:37,466 --> 07:34:37,866
PROTECTIONS?

14175
07:34:37,866 --> 07:34:38,600
>> HE HAS.

14176
07:34:38,600 --> 07:34:41,066
AND IT IS CRUCIAL TO NOTE THAT

14177
07:34:41,066 --> 07:34:43,100
THE VICTIM OF A HIGH CRIME AND

14178
07:34:43,100 --> 07:34:44,500
HIS FOR SUCH AS THE PRESIDENT IS

14179
07:34:44,500 --> 07:34:46,133
ALLEGED TO HAVE COMMITTED IS NOT

14180
07:34:46,133 --> 07:34:47,300
PRESIDENT ZELENSKY AND IS NOT

14181
07:34:47,300 --> 07:34:48,833
THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE.

14182
07:34:48,833 --> 07:34:50,033
THE VICTIM OF THE HIGH CRIME AND

14183
07:34:50,033 --> 07:34:52,233
MISDEMEANOR IS THE AMERICAN

14184
07:34:52,233 --> 07:34:52,566
PEOPLE.

14185
07:34:52,566 --> 07:34:54,166
AND ALEXANDER HAMILTON SAID VERY

14186
07:34:54,166 --> 07:34:55,433
CLEARLY THE NATURE OF A HIGH

14187
07:34:55,433 --> 07:34:56,333
CRIME AND MISDEMEANOR IS THAT

14188
07:34:56,333 --> 07:34:57,633
THEY ARE RELATED TO INJURIES

14189
07:34:57,633 --> 07:35:02,000
DONE TO THE SOCIETY ITSELF.

14190
07:35:02,000 --> 07:35:03,500
WE THE MEASURE PEOPLE ARE THE

14191
07:35:03,500 --> 07:35:04,333
VICTIMS OF THE HIGH CRIME AND

14192
07:35:04,333 --> 07:35:05,133
MISS FOR.

14193
07:35:05,133 --> 07:35:06,533
AND WHAT IS THE REMEDY IN SUCH A

14194
07:35:06,533 --> 07:35:06,966
CIRCUMSTANCE?

14195
07:35:06,966 --> 07:35:10,300
>> THE FRAMERS CREATED ONE REN

14196
07:35:10,300 --> 07:35:11,000
RECOMMEND DIFFICULT TO RESPOND

14197
07:35:11,000 --> 07:35:11,766
TO HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS

14198
07:35:11,766 --> 07:35:12,800
AND THAT WAS IMPEACHMENT.

14199
07:35:12,800 --> 07:35:13,300
>> THANK YOU.

14200
07:35:13,300 --> 07:35:15,233
YOU KNOW, I HAVE SPENT OVER 30

14201
07:35:15,233 --> 07:35:18,200
YEARS WORKING TO HELP CLIENTS

14202
07:35:18,200 --> 07:35:19,600
AND .. SCHOOL CHILDREN

14203
07:35:19,600 --> 07:35:20,666
UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF OUR

14204
07:35:20,666 --> 07:35:22,600
CONSTITUTIONAL SYSTEM, AND THE

14205
07:35:22,600 --> 07:35:25,066
IMPORTANT OF THE RULE OF LAW, SO

14206
07:35:25,066 --> 07:35:27,466
THE PRESIDENT'S BEHAVIOR IS

14207
07:35:27,466 --> 07:35:29,766
DEEPLY, DEEPLY TROUBLING.

14208
07:35:29,766 --> 07:35:31,200
THE PRESIDENT WELCOMED AND USED

14209
07:35:31,200 --> 07:35:33,533
ELECTION INTERFERENCE BY RUSSIA,

14210
07:35:33,533 --> 07:35:35,266
PUBLICLY ADMITTED HE WOULD DO IT

14211
07:35:35,266 --> 07:35:37,100
AGAIN AND DID, IN FACT, DO IT

14212
07:35:37,100 --> 07:35:39,633
AGAIN BY SOLICITING ELECTION

14213
07:35:39,633 --> 07:35:40,733
INTERFERING FROM UKRAINE AND

14214
07:35:40,733 --> 07:35:42,466
THROUGHOUT THE PRESIDENT HAS

14215
07:35:42,466 --> 07:35:44,933
TRIED TO COVER UP HIS

14216
07:35:44,933 --> 07:35:45,333
MISCONDUCT.

14217
07:35:45,333 --> 07:35:46,366
THIS ISN'T COMPLICATED.

14218
07:35:46,366 --> 07:35:48,766
THE FOUNDERS WERE CLEAR AND WE

14219
07:35:48,766 --> 07:35:51,533
MUST BE TOO, SUCH BEHAVIOR IN A

14220
07:35:51,533 --> 07:35:53,566
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

14221
07:35:53,566 --> 07:35:55,466
IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.

14222
07:35:55,466 --> 07:35:57,533
I YIELD BACK.

14223
07:35:57,533 --> 07:36:02,366
>> THE GENTLELADY YIELDS BACK.

14224
07:36:02,366 --> 07:36:04,566
MS. CITIES CICILLINE WE RECOGNIR

14225
07:36:04,566 --> 07:36:05,200
UNANIMOUS CONSENT REQUEST.

14226
07:36:05,200 --> 07:36:07,333
>> I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT A

14227
07:36:07,333 --> 07:36:09,166
DOCUMENT WHICH LISTS THE 400

14228
07:36:09,166 --> 07:36:11,500
PIECES OF LEGISLATION PASSED BY

14229
07:36:11,500 --> 07:36:14,300
THE HOUSE, 275 BIPARTISAN BILLS,

14230
07:36:14,300 --> 07:36:15,300
80 PERCENT WHICH REMAIN

14231
07:36:15,300 --> 07:36:16,800
LANGUISHING IN THE SAT BE MADE A

14232
07:36:16,800 --> 07:36:18,733
PART OF THE RECORD IN RESPONSE

14233
07:36:18,733 --> 07:36:20,633
TO MR. GATES CLAIM WE ARE NOT

14234
07:36:20,633 --> 07:36:21,033
MAKING THE.

14235
07:36:21,033 --> 07:36:23,133
>> THE DOCUMENT WILL BE MADE A

14236
07:36:23,133 --> 07:36:24,266
PART OF THE RECORD.

14237
07:36:24,266 --> 07:36:25,933
MS. BIGS IS RECOGNIZED.

14238
07:36:25,933 --> 07:36:29,300
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I SEEK AN

14239
07:36:29,300 --> 07:36:29,600
EMPTY.

14240
07:36:29,600 --> 07:36:31,466
THE DOCUMENTS AND ITEMS WHICH

14241
07:36:31,466 --> 07:36:32,666
PREVIOUSLY HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED.

14242
07:36:32,666 --> 07:36:33,600
>> WITHOUT OBJECTION THE

14243
07:36:33,600 --> 07:36:34,300
DOCUMENTS WILL BE ENTERED INTO

14244
07:36:34,300 --> 07:36:36,433
THE RECORD.

14245
07:36:36,433 --> 07:36:37,100
MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I HAVE --

14246
07:36:37,100 --> 07:36:38,200
>> WHAT PURPOSE DOES THE

14247
07:36:38,200 --> 07:36:38,600
GENTLEMAN --

14248
07:36:38,600 --> 07:36:39,933
>> MR. CHAIRMAN I ASK UNANIMOUS

14249
07:36:39,933 --> 07:36:41,566
CONSENT THIS ARTICLE THAT US WAS

14250
07:36:41,566 --> 07:36:43,166
JUST PUBLISHED ABOUT 15 MINUTES

14251
07:36:43,166 --> 07:36:44,833
AGO ENTITLED LAW PROFESSOR

14252
07:36:44,833 --> 07:36:46,066
JONATHAN TURLEY SAYS DEMOCRATS

14253
07:36:46,066 --> 07:36:48,300
ARE SETTING A RECORD FOR A FAST

14254
07:36:48,300 --> 07:36:49,333
IMPEACHMENT, THAT IS

14255
07:36:49,333 --> 07:36:49,933
DEMONSTRABLY FALSE.

14256
07:36:49,933 --> 07:36:50,933
BE MADE A PART OF THE RECORD.

14257
07:36:50,933 --> 07:36:53,433
>> WITHOUT OBJECTION,

14258
07:36:53,433 --> 07:36:53,866
MR. CHAIRMAN.

14259
07:36:53,866 --> 07:36:54,500
>> WITHOUT OBJECTION THE

14260
07:36:54,500 --> 07:36:55,433
DOCUMENT WILL BE MADE A PART OF

14261
07:36:55,433 --> 07:36:57,533
THE RECORD.

14262
07:36:57,533 --> 07:36:59,466
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, FOR WHAT

14263
07:36:59,466 --> 07:37:01,466
PURPOSE DOES THE GENTLEMAN SEEK

14264
07:37:01,466 --> 07:37:01,866
RECOGNITION.

14265
07:37:01,866 --> 07:37:03,500
>> TO PUT INTO THE RECORD A

14266
07:37:03,500 --> 07:37:05,100
TWEET THAT FIRST LADY OF THE USE

14267
07:37:05,100 --> 07:37:06,433
JUST ISSUED WITHIN THE HOUR THAT

14268
07:37:06,433 --> 07:37:08,133
SAYS, QUOTE, A MINOR CHILD

14269
07:37:08,133 --> 07:37:09,600
DESERVES PRIVACY AND SHOULD BE

14270
07:37:09,600 --> 07:37:10,900
KEPT OUT OF POLITICS, PAMELA

14271
07:37:10,900 --> 07:37:12,133
KARLAN YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF

14272
07:37:12,133 --> 07:37:14,900
YOUR VERY ANGRY AND OBVIOUSLY

14273
07:37:14,900 --> 07:37:15,966
BYPASSED PANDERING AND USING A

14274
07:37:15,966 --> 07:37:17,433
CHILD TO DO IT, WITHOUT

14275
07:37:17,433 --> 07:37:19,500
OBJECTION THE DOCUMENT WILL BE

14276
07:37:19,500 --> 07:37:21,133
ENTERED INTO THE RECORD.

14277
07:37:21,133 --> 07:37:22,633
>> MR. STOOB BY IS RECOGNIZED

14278
07:37:22,633 --> 07:37:23,966
FOR THE PURPOSE OF QUESTIONING

14279
07:37:23,966 --> 07:37:25,600
THE WITNESSES.

14280
07:37:25,600 --> 07:37:34,266
>> I AM SORRY -- NOT HERE

14281
07:37:34,266 --> 07:37:34,666
MOMENTARILY.

14282
07:37:34,666 --> 07:37:35,300
MS. GARCIA IS RECOGNIZED.

14283
07:37:35,300 --> 07:37:37,133
>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN AND I

14284
07:37:37,133 --> 07:37:38,300
TOO WANT TO THANK A ALL OF THE

14285
07:37:38,300 --> 07:37:39,466
WITNESSES FOR THEIR TIME AND

14286
07:37:39,466 --> 07:37:40,100
YOUR PATIENCE TODAY.

14287
07:37:40,100 --> 07:37:43,033
I KNOW IT HAS BEEN A LONG DAY,

14288
07:37:43,033 --> 07:37:44,000
BUT THE END IS IN SIGHT.

14289
07:37:44,000 --> 07:37:51,500
AS MY COLLEAGUE MS. KARLAN

14290
07:37:51,500 --> 07:37:52,900
RECOGNIZED, HIS CONDUCT IN THE

14291
07:37:52,900 --> 07:37:53,700
SPECIAL COUNSEL INVESTIGATION

14292
07:37:53,700 --> 07:37:55,466
ARE HARD TO IGNORE.

14293
07:37:55,466 --> 07:38:00,866
IN FACT, WE ARE SEEING IT AS A

14294
07:38:00,866 --> 07:38:02,066
PATTERN OF PRESIDENTIAL ABUSE OF

14295
07:38:02,066 --> 07:38:02,400
POWER.

14296
07:38:02,400 --> 07:38:03,533
THE PRESIDENT CALLED THE UKRAINE

14297
07:38:03,533 --> 07:38:05,600
JAB INVESTIGATION, UKRAINIAN

14298
07:38:05,600 --> 07:38:06,800
INVESTIGATION A HOAX AND THE

14299
07:38:06,800 --> 07:38:07,933
MUELLER INVESTIGATION A WITCH

14300
07:38:07,933 --> 07:38:09,366
HUNT, HE HAS THREATENED THE

14301
07:38:09,366 --> 07:38:11,300
UKRAINE WHISTLEBLOWER FOR NOT

14302
07:38:11,300 --> 07:38:12,900
TESTIFYING, LIKE HE THREATENED

14303
07:38:12,900 --> 07:38:15,500
TO FIRE HIS ATTORNEY GENERAL FOR

14304
07:38:15,500 --> 07:38:19,500
NOT OBSTRUCTING THE RUSSIA

14305
07:38:19,500 --> 07:38:23,433
INVESTIGATION.

14306
07:38:23,433 --> 07:38:25,633
THE PRESIDENT FIRED AMBASSADOR

14307
07:38:25,633 --> 07:38:26,533
YOVANOVITCH MUCH IN THE SAME WAY

14308
07:38:26,533 --> 07:38:28,266
HE FIRED HIS WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL

14309
07:38:28,266 --> 07:38:31,466
AND PUBLICLY ATTACKED HIS

14310
07:38:31,466 --> 07:38:33,300
INTEGRITY.

14311
07:38:33,300 --> 07:38:35,466
AND FINALLY THE PRESIDENT

14312
07:38:35,466 --> 07:38:37,500
ATTACKED THE CIVIL SERVANTS WHO

14313
07:38:37,500 --> 07:38:38,366
TESTIFIED ABOUT UKRAINE JUST

14314
07:38:38,366 --> 07:38:40,300
LIKE HE ATTACKED CAREER

14315
07:38:40,300 --> 07:38:41,066
OFFICIALS OF THE DEPARTMENT OF

14316
07:38:41,066 --> 07:38:43,000
JUSTICE FOR INVESTIGATING HIS

14317
07:38:43,000 --> 07:38:45,566
OBSTRUCTION OF THE RUSSIA

14318
07:38:45,566 --> 07:38:46,000
INVESTIGATION.

14319
07:38:46,000 --> 07:38:47,466
UNDER ANY OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES

14320
07:38:47,466 --> 07:38:50,733
SUCH BEHAVIOR BY ANY AMERICAN

14321
07:38:50,733 --> 07:38:52,266
PRESIDENT WOULD BE SHOCKING, BUT

14322
07:38:52,266 --> 07:38:55,466
HERE IT IS A REPEAT OF WHAT WE E

14323
07:38:55,466 --> 07:38:57,533
HAVE ALREADY SEEN IN THE SPECIAL

14324
07:38:57,533 --> 07:38:58,333
COUNSEL'S INVESTIGATION.

14325
07:38:58,333 --> 07:39:00,766
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOMENT TO

14326
07:39:00,766 --> 07:39:02,266
DISCUSS THE PRESIDENT'S EFFORTS

14327
07:39:02,266 --> 07:39:05,966
TO OBSTRUCT THE SPECIAL

14328
07:39:05,966 --> 07:39:06,900
COUNSEL'S INVESTIGATION A

14329
07:39:06,900 --> 07:39:08,700
SUBJECT THIS COMMITTEE HAS BEEN

14330
07:39:08,700 --> 07:39:09,533
INVESTIGATING SINCE MARCH.

14331
07:39:09,533 --> 07:39:12,633
HERE ARE TWO SLIDES, THE FIRST

14332
07:39:12,633 --> 07:39:16,533
ONE WILL SHOW AS HE DID WITH --

14333
07:39:16,533 --> 07:39:18,366
AS THE PRESIDENTS HE DID WITH

14334
07:39:18,366 --> 07:39:23,066
UKRAINE, TRIED TO COVE HIS,

14335
07:39:23,066 --> 07:39:25,933
COERCE HIS -- BY FOREIGN SPECIAL

14336
07:39:25,933 --> 07:39:27,500
COUNSEL MUELLER.

14337
07:39:27,500 --> 07:39:31,200
THE SECOND SLIDE THIS SHOWS WHEN

14338
07:39:31,200 --> 07:39:32,400
THE NEWS BROKE OUT OF THE

14339
07:39:32,400 --> 07:39:34,766
PRESIDENT'S ORDER, THE PRESIDENT

14340
07:39:34,766 --> 07:39:39,466
DIRECTED HIS ADVISORS TO FALSELY

14341
07:39:39,466 --> 07:39:41,500
DENY HE HAD MADE THE ORDER

14342
07:39:41,500 --> 07:39:42,200
PROFESSOR GERHARDT ARE YOU

14343
07:39:42,200 --> 07:39:43,566
FAMILIAR WITH THE FACTS RELATING

14344
07:39:43,566 --> 07:39:45,566
TO THESE THREE EPISODES AS

14345
07:39:45,566 --> 07:39:47,200
DESCRIBED IN THE MUELLER REPORT,

14346
07:39:47,200 --> 07:39:48,933
YES OR NO, PLEASE?

14347
07:39:48,933 --> 07:39:49,366
>> YES, MA'AM.

14348
07:39:49,366 --> 07:39:50,733
>> SO ACCEPTING THE SPECIAL

14349
07:39:50,733 --> 07:39:53,233
COUNSEL'S EVIDENCE AS TRUE, IS

14350
07:39:53,233 --> 07:39:55,266
THIS PATTERN OF CONDUCT

14351
07:39:55,266 --> 07:39:55,866
OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE?

14352
07:39:55,866 --> 07:39:57,433
>> IT IS CLEARLY OBSTRUCTION OF

14353
07:39:57,433 --> 07:39:57,766
JUSTICE.

14354
07:39:57,766 --> 07:40:03,400
>> AND WHY WOULD YOU SAY SO, SIR

14355
07:40:03,400 --> 07:40:03,666
SIR?

14356
07:40:03,666 --> 07:40:05,500
>> THE OBVIOUS OBJECT OF THIS

14357
07:40:05,500 --> 07:40:06,900
ACTIVITY IS TO SHUT DOWN AN

14358
07:40:06,900 --> 07:40:08,166
INVESTIGATION, IN FACT, THE ACTS

14359
07:40:08,166 --> 07:40:09,300
OF THE PRESIDENT, ACCORDING TO

14360
07:40:09,300 --> 07:40:11,433
THESE FACTS, EACH TIME IS TO USE

14361
07:40:11,433 --> 07:40:13,500
THE POWER THAT HE HAS UNIQUE TO

14362
07:40:13,500 --> 07:40:15,033
HIS OFFICE, BUT IN A WAY THAT IS

14363
07:40:15,033 --> 07:40:18,033
GOING TO HELP HIM FRUSTRATE THE

14364
07:40:18,033 --> 07:40:18,466
INVESTIGATION.

14365
07:40:18,466 --> 07:40:19,900
>> SO DOES THIS CONDUCT FIT

14366
07:40:19,900 --> 07:40:23,366
WITHIN THE FRAMERRERS' VIEW OF

14367
07:40:23,366 --> 07:40:23,933
IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES?

14368
07:40:23,933 --> 07:40:24,500
>> I BELIEVE IT DOES.

14369
07:40:24,500 --> 07:40:26,566
I DON'T -- I MEAN THE ENTIRE

14370
07:40:26,566 --> 07:40:27,433
CONSTITUTION, INCLUDING

14371
07:40:27,433 --> 07:40:28,300
SEPARATION OF POWERS, IS

14372
07:40:28,300 --> 07:40:31,233
DESIGNED TO PUT LIMITS ON HOW

14373
07:40:31,233 --> 07:40:32,500
SOMEBODY MAY GO ABOUT

14374
07:40:32,500 --> 07:40:33,900
FRUSTRATING THE ACTIVITY OF

14375
07:40:33,900 --> 07:40:34,366
ANOTHER BRANCH.

14376
07:40:34,366 --> 07:40:36,166
>> SO YOU WOULD SAY THAT THIS

14377
07:40:36,166 --> 07:40:38,200
ALSO WOULD BE AN IMPEACHABLE

14378
07:40:38,200 --> 07:40:38,533
OFFENSE?

14379
07:40:38,533 --> 07:40:39,000
>> YES, MA'AM.

14380
07:40:39,000 --> 07:40:39,533
>> THANK YOU.

14381
07:40:39,533 --> 07:40:41,833
BECAUSE I AGREE WITH YOU.

14382
07:40:41,833 --> 07:40:42,900
THE PRESIDENT'S ACTIONS AND

14383
07:40:42,900 --> 07:40:44,166
BEHAVIOR DO MATTER.

14384
07:40:44,166 --> 07:40:46,166
THE PRESIDENT'S OBSTRUCTION OF

14385
07:40:46,166 --> 07:40:49,033
JUSTICE DEFINITELY MATTERS, AS A

14386
07:40:49,033 --> 07:40:51,033
FORMER JUNE AND AS A MEMBER OF

14387
07:40:51,033 --> 07:40:53,100
CONGRESS, I RAISE MY RIGHT HAND

14388
07:40:53,100 --> 07:40:55,400
AND PUT MY LEFT HAND ON A BIBLE

14389
07:40:55,400 --> 07:40:57,333
MORE THAN ONCE AND I HAVE SWORN

14390
07:40:57,333 --> 07:40:59,600
TO UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION AND

14391
07:40:59,600 --> 07:41:01,800
LAWS OF THIS COUNTRY.

14392
07:41:01,800 --> 07:41:03,566
THIS HEARING IS ABOUT THAT, BUT

14393
07:41:03,566 --> 07:41:07,466
IT IS ALSO ABOUT DECOR OF THE,

14394
07:41:07,466 --> 07:41:08,733
THE CORE OF OUR AMERICAN VALUES,

14395
07:41:08,733 --> 07:41:12,233
THE VALUES OF DUTY, HONOR, AND

14396
07:41:12,233 --> 07:41:12,566
LOYALTY.

14397
07:41:12,566 --> 07:41:14,533
IT IS ABOUT THE RULE OF LAW.

14398
07:41:14,533 --> 07:41:16,400
WHEN THE PRESIDENT ASKS UKRAINE

14399
07:41:16,400 --> 07:41:19,166
FOR A FAVOR, HE DID SO FOR HIS

14400
07:41:19,166 --> 07:41:21,500
PERSONAL POLITICAL GAIN AND NOT

14401
07:41:21,500 --> 07:41:22,866
ON BEHALF OF THE AMERICAN

14402
07:41:22,866 --> 07:41:24,666
PEOPLE, AND IF THIS IS TRUE, HE

14403
07:41:24,666 --> 07:41:27,433
WOULD HAVE BETRAYED HIS OATH AND

14404
07:41:27,433 --> 07:41:30,900
BETRAYED HIS LOYALTY TO THIS

14405
07:41:30,900 --> 07:41:31,233
COUNTRY.

14406
07:41:31,233 --> 07:41:32,733
AND A FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLE OF

14407
07:41:32,733 --> 07:41:34,566
OUR DEMOCRACY IS THAT MOBILE IS

14408
07:41:34,566 --> 07:41:37,066
ABOVE THE LAW, AND NOT ANY ONE

14409
07:41:37,066 --> 07:41:39,900
OF YOU PROFESSORS NOT ANY ONE OF

14410
07:41:39,900 --> 07:41:41,066
US MEMBER APPEAR, MEMBERS OF

14411
07:41:41,066 --> 07:41:42,133
CONGRESS, NOT EVEN THE PRESIDENT

14412
07:41:42,133 --> 07:41:43,700
OF THE UNITED STATES, THAT IS

14413
07:41:43,700 --> 07:41:45,500
HIGH WE SHOULD HOLD HIM

14414
07:41:45,500 --> 07:41:47,433
ACCOUNTABLE FOR HIS ACTIONS AND

14415
07:41:47,433 --> 07:41:50,566
THAT IS WHY I AGAIN THANK YOU

14416
07:41:50,566 --> 07:41:52,833
FOR TESTIFYING TODAY IN HELPING

14417
07:41:52,833 --> 07:41:54,533
US WALK THROUGH ALL OF THIS TO

14418
07:41:54,533 --> 07:41:57,366
PREPARE FOR WHAT MAY COME.

14419
07:41:57,366 --> 07:41:57,833
THANK YOU, SIR.

14420
07:41:57,833 --> 07:41:59,233
>> I YIELD BACK.

14421
07:41:59,233 --> 07:42:03,000
>> GENTLELADY YIELDS BACK.

14422
07:42:03,000 --> 07:42:03,366
MR. NAGUS.

14423
07:42:03,366 --> 07:42:04,100
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, AND THANK

14424
07:42:04,100 --> 07:42:05,166
YOU TO EACH OF THE FOUR

14425
07:42:05,166 --> 07:42:07,033
WITNESSES FOR YOUR TESTIMONY

14426
07:42:07,033 --> 07:42:07,333
TODAY.

14427
07:42:07,333 --> 07:42:09,433
I WOULD LIKE TO START BY TALKING

14428
07:42:09,433 --> 07:42:11,466
ABOUT INTIMIDATION OF WITNESSES.

14429
07:42:11,466 --> 07:42:14,766
AS MY COLLEAGUE CONGRESSWOMAN

14430
07:42:14,766 --> 07:42:15,500
GARCIA NOTED, PRESIDENT TRUMP

14431
07:42:15,500 --> 07:42:17,700
HAS TRIED TO INTERFERE IN BOTH

14432
07:42:17,700 --> 07:42:19,466
THE UKRAINE INVESTIGATION AND

14433
07:42:19,466 --> 07:42:21,200
SPECIAL COUNSEL MUELLER'S

14434
07:42:21,200 --> 07:42:22,033
INVESTIGATION IN ORDER TO TRY TO

14435
07:42:22,033 --> 07:42:23,866
COVER UP HIS OWN MISCONDUCT.

14436
07:42:23,866 --> 07:42:26,300
AND IN BOTH THE UKRAINE

14437
07:42:26,300 --> 07:42:27,433
INVESTIGATION AND SPECIAL

14438
07:42:27,433 --> 07:42:29,633
COUNSEL MUELLER'S INVESTIGATION

14439
07:42:29,633 --> 07:42:30,833
THE PRESIDENT ACTIVELY

14440
07:42:30,833 --> 07:42:32,966
DISCOURAGED WITNESSES FROM

14441
07:42:32,966 --> 07:42:33,933
COOPERATING, INTIMIDATED WITNESS

14442
07:42:33,933 --> 07:42:35,533
WHOSE CAME FORWARD AND PRAISED

14443
07:42:35,533 --> 07:42:39,000
THOSE WHO REFUSED TO COOPERATE.

14444
07:42:39,000 --> 07:42:40,600
FOR AN EXAMPLE IN THE UKRAINE

14445
07:42:40,600 --> 07:42:42,433
INVESTIGATION THE PRESIDENT

14446
07:42:42,433 --> 07:42:43,400
HARASSED AND INTIMIDATED THE

14447
07:42:43,400 --> 07:42:46,800
BRAVE PUBLIC SERVANTS WHO CAME

14448
07:42:46,800 --> 07:42:47,133
FORWARD.

14449
07:42:47,133 --> 07:42:49,133
HE PUBLICLY CALLED THE

14450
07:42:49,133 --> 07:42:50,566
WHISTLEBLOWER A QUOTE DISGRACE

14451
07:42:50,566 --> 07:42:52,266
TO OUR COUNTRY.

14452
07:42:52,266 --> 07:42:54,800
AND SAID THAT HIS IDENTITY

14453
07:42:54,800 --> 07:42:55,400
SHOULD BE REVEALED.

14454
07:42:55,400 --> 07:42:57,500
HE SUGGESTED THAT THOSE INVOLVED

14455
07:42:57,500 --> 07:42:58,400
IN THE WHISTLEBLOWER COMPLAINT

14456
07:42:58,400 --> 07:42:59,866
SHOULD BE DEALT WITH IN THE WAY

14457
07:42:59,866 --> 07:43:03,333
THAT WE QUOTE USED TO DO END

14458
07:43:03,333 --> 07:43:05,566
QUOTE FOR SPIES AND TREASON.

14459
07:43:05,566 --> 07:43:08,700
HE CALLED AMBASSADOR TAYLOR A

14460
07:43:08,700 --> 07:43:09,566
FORMER MILITARY OFFICER WITH

14461
07:43:09,566 --> 07:43:11,466
MORE THAN 40 YEARS OF PUBLIC

14462
07:43:11,466 --> 07:43:15,466
SERVICE A QUOTE NEVER TRUMPER

14463
07:43:15,466 --> 07:43:17,333
END, NEVER TRUMPER ON THE SAME

14464
07:43:17,333 --> 07:43:19,466
DAY HE CALLED NEVER TRUMPERS

14465
07:43:19,466 --> 07:43:21,066
QUOTE SCUM.

14466
07:43:21,066 --> 07:43:22,666
THE PRESIDENT ALSO TWEETED

14467
07:43:22,666 --> 07:43:24,200
ACCUSATIONS ABOUT MANY OF THE

14468
07:43:24,200 --> 07:43:26,000
OTHER PUBLIC SERVANTS WHO

14469
07:43:26,000 --> 07:43:28,400
TESTIFIED, INCLUDING JENNIFER

14470
07:43:28,400 --> 07:43:29,066
WILLIAMS AND AMBASSADOR

14471
07:43:29,066 --> 07:43:31,966
YOVANOVITCH, AND AS WE KNOW, THE

14472
07:43:31,966 --> 07:43:33,400
PRESIDENT'S LATTER TWEET

14473
07:43:33,400 --> 07:43:35,800
HAPPENED LITERALLY DURING THE

14474
07:43:35,800 --> 07:43:37,100
AMBASSADOR'S TESTIMONY IN THIS

14475
07:43:37,100 --> 07:43:38,466
ROOM, IN FRONT OF THE

14476
07:43:38,466 --> 07:43:40,366
INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE WHICH SHE

14477
07:43:40,366 --> 07:43:43,300
MADE CLEAR WAS INTIMIDATING.

14478
07:43:43,300 --> 07:43:45,000
CONVERSECONVERSELY WE KNOW THATE

14479
07:43:45,000 --> 07:43:46,566
PRESIDENT HAS PRAISED WITNESSES

14480
07:43:46,566 --> 07:43:49,833
WHO HAVE REFUSED TO COOPERATE.

14481
07:43:49,833 --> 07:43:52,400
FOR EXAMPLE, DURING THE SPECIAL

14482
07:43:52,400 --> 07:43:53,733
COUNSEL'S INVESTIGATION THE

14483
07:43:53,733 --> 07:43:55,333
PRESIDENT PRAISED PAUL MANAFORT,

14484
07:43:55,333 --> 07:43:57,533
HIS FORMER CAMPAIGN MANAGER, FOR

14485
07:43:57,533 --> 07:43:59,133
NOT COOPERATING.

14486
07:43:59,133 --> 07:44:01,566
YOU CAN SEE THE TWEET UP ON THE

14487
07:44:01,566 --> 07:44:02,566
SCREEN TO MY SIDE.

14488
07:44:02,566 --> 07:44:03,966
AS ANOTHER TELLING EXAMPLE THE

14489
07:44:03,966 --> 07:44:05,666
PRESIDENT INITIALLY PRAISED

14490
07:44:05,666 --> 07:44:07,633
AMBASSADOR SONDLAND FOR NOT

14491
07:44:07,633 --> 07:44:10,433
COOPERATING, CALLING HIM QUOTE A

14492
07:44:10,433 --> 07:44:11,466
REALLY GOOD MAN AND A GREAT

14493
07:44:11,466 --> 07:44:13,966
AMERICAN BUT AFTER AMBASSADOR

14494
07:44:13,966 --> 07:44:15,466
SONDLAND TESTIFIED AND CONFIRMED

14495
07:44:15,466 --> 07:44:17,466
THAT THERE WAS INDEED A QUID PRO

14496
07:44:17,466 --> 07:44:19,033
QUO BETWEEN THE WHITE HOUSE

14497
07:44:19,033 --> 07:44:20,733
VISIT AND THE REQUEST FOR

14498
07:44:20,733 --> 07:44:21,500
INVESTIGATIONS .. THE PRESIDENT

14499
07:44:21,500 --> 07:44:25,300
CLAIMED THAT HE QUOTE HARDLY

14500
07:44:25,300 --> 07:44:26,500
KNEW THE AMBASSADOR.

14501
07:44:26,500 --> 07:44:27,433
PROFESSOR GERHARDT, YOU HAVE

14502
07:44:27,433 --> 07:44:28,900
TOUCHED ON IT PREVIOUSLY BUT I

14503
07:44:28,900 --> 07:44:30,766
WOULD LIKE YOU TO JUST EXPLAIN,

14504
07:44:30,766 --> 07:44:33,566
IS THE PRESIDENT'S INTERFERENCE

14505
07:44:33,566 --> 07:44:35,333
IN THESE INVESTIGATIONS BY

14506
07:44:35,333 --> 07:44:36,500
INTIMIDATING WITNESSES ALSO THE

14507
07:44:36,500 --> 07:44:38,133
KIND OF CONDUCT THAT THE FRAMERS

14508
07:44:38,133 --> 07:44:39,100
WERE WORRIED ABOUT?

14509
07:44:39,100 --> 07:44:40,000
AND IF SO, WHY?

14510
07:44:40,000 --> 07:44:41,633
>> IT IS CLEARLY CONDUCT THAT I

14511
07:44:41,633 --> 07:44:42,733
THINK THAT WORRIED THE FRAMERS

14512
07:44:42,733 --> 07:44:44,033
AS REFLECTED IN THE CONSTITUTION

14513
07:44:44,033 --> 07:44:45,533
THEY HAVE GIVEN US AND THE

14514
07:44:45,533 --> 07:44:48,233
STRUCTURE OF THAT CONSTITUTION.

14515
07:44:48,233 --> 07:44:49,033
THE ACTIVITIES YOU ARE TALKING

14516
07:44:49,033 --> 07:44:51,533
ABOUT HERE ARE CONSISTENT WITH

14517
07:44:51,533 --> 07:44:53,033
THE, BUT THE OTHER ACTIVITY WE

14518
07:44:53,033 --> 07:44:55,433
HAVE SEEN THE PRESIDENT TRYING

14519
07:44:55,433 --> 07:44:57,400
TO STOP INVESTIGATIONS BY EITHER

14520
07:44:57,400 --> 07:44:59,233
MR. MUELLER OR BY CONGRESS AS

14521
07:44:59,233 --> 07:45:03,033
WELL AS TO ASK WITNESSES TO MAKE

14522
07:45:03,033 --> 07:45:05,200
FALSE DOCUMENTS ABOUT TESTIMONY

14523
07:45:05,200 --> 07:45:07,466
AND ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT KINDS

14524
07:45:07,466 --> 07:45:08,966
OF ACTIVITIES ARE NOT THE KINDS

14525
07:45:08,966 --> 07:45:10,600
OF ACTIVITIES THE FRAMERS

14526
07:45:10,600 --> 07:45:11,466
EXPECTED THE PRESIDENT TO BE

14527
07:45:11,466 --> 07:45:12,133
ABLE TO TAKE.

14528
07:45:12,133 --> 07:45:13,300
THEY EXPECTED THE PRESIDENT TO

14529
07:45:13,300 --> 07:45:15,400
BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR IT AND

14530
07:45:15,400 --> 07:45:16,000
NOT JUST IN ELECTIONS.

14531
07:45:16,000 --> 07:45:18,000
>> PROFESSOR TURLEY, YOU HAVE

14532
07:45:18,000 --> 07:45:19,500
STUDIED THE IMPEACHMENTS OF

14533
07:45:19,500 --> 07:45:21,033
PRESIDENT JOHNSON, PRESIDENT

14534
07:45:21,033 --> 07:45:23,466
NIXON, PRESIDENT CLINTON, AM I

14535
07:45:23,466 --> 07:45:24,466
RIGHT THAT PRESIDENT NIXON

14536
07:45:24,466 --> 07:45:25,733
ALLOWED SENIOR WHITE HOUSE

14537
07:45:25,733 --> 07:45:26,833
OFFICIALS INCLUDING THE WHITE

14538
07:45:26,833 --> 07:45:27,600
HOUSE COUNSEL AND THE WHITE

14539
07:45:27,600 --> 07:45:29,133
HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF TO TESTIFY

14540
07:45:29,133 --> 07:45:30,600
IN HOUSE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY?

14541
07:45:30,600 --> 07:45:31,400
>> YES.

14542
07:45:31,400 --> 07:45:33,500
>> AND YOU ARE AWARE THAT

14543
07:45:33,500 --> 07:45:34,733
PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS REFUSED TO

14544
07:45:34,733 --> 07:45:36,066
ALLOW HIS CHIEF OF STAFF OR

14545
07:45:36,066 --> 07:45:37,133
WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL TO TESTIFY

14546
07:45:37,133 --> 07:45:39,033
IN THIS INQUIRY, CORRECT?

14547
07:45:39,033 --> 07:45:39,300
HE.

14548
07:45:39,300 --> 07:45:40,133
>> YES.

14549
07:45:40,133 --> 07:45:41,533
BUT VARIOUS OFFICIALS DID

14550
07:45:41,533 --> 07:45:43,166
TESTIFY AND THEY ARE REMAINING

14551
07:45:43,166 --> 07:45:43,733
IN FEDERAL EMPLOYMENT.

14552
07:45:43,733 --> 07:45:45,566
>> AND THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE

14553
07:45:45,566 --> 07:45:47,433
WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL NOR THE

14554
07:45:47,433 --> 07:45:48,233
WHITE COUNSEL CHIEF OF STAFF.

14555
07:45:48,233 --> 07:45:51,433
>> THAT'S RIGHT.

14556
07:45:51,433 --> 07:45:53,633
>> AND PRESIDENT CLINTON

14557
07:45:53,633 --> 07:45:54,933
PROVIDED RESPONSES TO THE

14558
07:45:54,933 --> 07:45:55,466
IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY.

14559
07:45:55,466 --> 07:45:56,300
>> I BELIEVE THAT IS

14560
07:45:56,300 --> 07:45:56,700
CREDIBILITY.

14561
07:45:56,700 --> 07:45:58,200
>> SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT AND YOU

14562
07:45:58,200 --> 07:45:58,833
ARE AWARE PRESIDENT TRUMP

14563
07:45:58,833 --> 07:45:59,766
REFUSED ANY REQUEST FOR

14564
07:45:59,766 --> 07:46:00,833
INFORMATION SUBMIT BID THE

14565
07:46:00,833 --> 07:46:02,266
INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE IN IN

14566
07:46:02,266 --> 07:46:02,800
IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY?

14567
07:46:02,800 --> 07:46:03,300
>> I HAVE, YES.

14568
07:46:03,300 --> 07:46:05,700
>> ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE

14569
07:46:05,700 --> 07:46:09,600
LETTER ISSUED BY WHITE HOUSE

14570
07:46:09,600 --> 07:46:10,900
COUNSEL SIX LOAN WRITTEN ON

14571
07:46:10,900 --> 07:46:12,033
BEHALF OF PRESIDENT TRUMP AND IN

14572
07:46:12,033 --> 07:46:14,933
EFFECT INSTRUCTING EXECUTIVE

14573
07:46:14,933 --> 07:46:15,733
BRANCH OFFICIALS NOT TO TESTIFY

14574
07:46:15,733 --> 07:46:19,333
IN THIS IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY.

14575
07:46:19,333 --> 07:46:20,333
>> --

14576
07:46:20,333 --> 07:46:20,566
A.

14577
07:46:20,566 --> 07:46:24,533
>> AM I CORRECT NO PRESIDENT IN

14578
07:46:24,533 --> 07:46:26,400
THE HISTORY OF THE HISTORY OF

14579
07:46:26,400 --> 07:46:27,933
THE REPUBLIC BEFORE PRESIDENT

14580
07:46:27,933 --> 07:46:29,266
TRUMP INSTRUCTED THE EXECUTIVE

14581
07:46:29,266 --> 07:46:30,200
BRANCH OFFICIALS NOT TO TESTIFY

14582
07:46:30,200 --> 07:46:32,500
IN AN IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY?

14583
07:46:32,500 --> 07:46:34,366
>> THAT'S WHERE I AM NOT SURE I

14584
07:46:34,366 --> 07:46:37,033
CAN ANSWER THAT AFFIRMATIVELY.

14585
07:46:37,033 --> 07:46:39,066
PRESIDENT MIXON IN FACT WENT TO

14586
07:46:39,066 --> 07:46:40,933
COURT OVER ACCESS TO

14587
07:46:40,933 --> 07:46:42,133
INFORMATION, DOCUMENTS AND THE

14588
07:46:42,133 --> 07:46:42,900
LIKE AND HE LOST.

14589
07:46:42,900 --> 07:46:45,100
>> WELL, PROFESSOR TURLEY, I

14590
07:46:45,100 --> 07:46:46,266
WOULD JUST AGAIN REFER YOU BACK

14591
07:46:46,266 --> 07:46:48,300
TO THE HISTORY THAT HAS BEEN

14592
07:46:48,300 --> 07:46:49,900
RECOUNTED BY EACH OF THE

14593
07:46:49,900 --> 07:46:50,800
DISTINGUISHED SCHOLARS HERE

14594
07:46:50,800 --> 07:46:53,100
TODAY BECAUSE WE KNOW AS WE HAVE

14595
07:46:53,100 --> 07:46:54,400
THESE EXAMPLES THAT PRESIDENT

14596
07:46:54,400 --> 07:46:55,433
NIXON DID IN FACT ALLOW HIS

14597
07:46:55,433 --> 07:46:57,766
CHIEF OF STAFF AND HIS CHIEF

14598
07:46:57,766 --> 07:46:59,266
COUNSEL TO TESTIFY AND THIS

14599
07:46:59,266 --> 07:46:59,866
PRESIDENT HAS NOT.

14600
07:46:59,866 --> 07:47:02,633
WE KNOW THAT PRESIDENT CLINTON

14601
07:47:02,633 --> 07:47:03,300
RESPONDED TO INTERROGATORIES

14602
07:47:03,300 --> 07:47:04,633
PROPOUNDED BY THAT IMPEACHMENT

14603
07:47:04,633 --> 07:47:06,366
INQUIRY AND THIS PRESIDENT HAS

14604
07:47:06,366 --> 07:47:06,633
NOT.

14605
07:47:06,633 --> 07:47:09,066
AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS

14606
07:47:09,066 --> 07:47:11,466
CONGRESS AND THIS COMMITTEE HAS

14607
07:47:11,466 --> 07:47:13,933
AN OBLIGATION TO ENSURE THAT LAW

14608
07:47:13,933 --> 07:47:15,700
IS ENFORCED AND WITH THAT I WILL

14609
07:47:15,700 --> 07:47:17,766
YIELD BACK THE BALANCE OF MY

14610
07:47:17,766 --> 07:47:18,066
TIME.

14611
07:47:18,066 --> 07:47:21,133
>> THE GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK.

14612
07:47:21,133 --> 07:47:21,533
MS. MACBETH.

14613
07:47:21,533 --> 07:47:22,200
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

14614
07:47:22,200 --> 07:47:26,533
AND PROFESSORS I WANT TO THANK

14615
07:47:26,533 --> 07:47:27,233
YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR SPENDING

14616
07:47:27,233 --> 07:47:27,966
THIS ARDUOUS HOURS WITH US

14617
07:47:27,966 --> 07:47:28,266
TODAY.

14618
07:47:28,266 --> 07:47:29,866
THANK YOU SO MUCH OR BEING HERE.

14619
07:47:29,866 --> 07:47:32,533
FOLLOWING UP ON MY COLLEAGUE,

14620
07:47:32,533 --> 07:47:33,333
MR. NAGUS'S QUESTIONS I WOULD

14621
07:47:33,333 --> 07:47:37,000
LIKE TO BRIEFLY GO THROUGH ONE

14622
07:47:37,000 --> 07:47:38,266
PARTICULAR EXAMPLE OF PRESIDENT

14623
07:47:38,266 --> 07:47:42,066
-- THE PRESIDENT'S WITNESS

14624
07:47:42,066 --> 07:47:44,200
INTIMIDATION, THAT I FIND TRULY

14625
07:47:44,200 --> 07:47:45,800
DISTURBING AND VERY DEVASTATING

14626
07:47:45,800 --> 07:47:47,800
BECAUSE I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT

14627
07:47:47,800 --> 07:47:50,800
THAT WE ALL TRULY SEE WHAT IS

14628
07:47:50,800 --> 07:47:51,533
GOING ON HERE.

14629
07:47:51,533 --> 07:47:54,933
AS THE SLIDE SHOWS ON HIS

14630
07:47:54,933 --> 07:47:56,866
JULY 25TH CALL, PRESIDENT TRUMP

14631
07:47:56,866 --> 07:47:58,866
SAID THAT FORMER AMBASSADOR

14632
07:47:58,866 --> 07:48:01,666
YOVANOVITCH WOULD AND I QUOTE,

14633
07:48:01,666 --> 07:48:04,633
GO THROUGH SOME THINGS.

14634
07:48:04,633 --> 07:48:05,866
AMBASSADOR YOVANOVITCH TESTIFIED

14635
07:48:05,866 --> 07:48:08,033
ABOUT HOW LEARNING ABOUT THE

14636
07:48:08,033 --> 07:48:11,400
PRESIDENT'S STATEMENTS MADE HER

14637
07:48:11,400 --> 07:48:11,700
FEEL.

14638
07:48:11,700 --> 07:48:12,766
WHAT DID YOU THINK WHEN

14639
07:48:12,766 --> 07:48:14,833
PRESIDENT TRUMP TOLD PRESIDENT

14640
07:48:14,833 --> 07:48:15,800
ZELENSKY AND YOU READ THAT YOU

14641
07:48:15,800 --> 07:48:18,900
WERE GOING TO GO THROUGH SOME

14642
07:48:18,900 --> 07:48:19,233
THINGS?

14643
07:48:19,233 --> 07:48:22,066
>> I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK.

14644
07:48:22,066 --> 07:48:23,500
BUT I WAS VERY CONCERNED.

14645
07:48:23,500 --> 07:48:28,166
>> WHAT WERE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT

14646
07:48:28,166 --> 07:48:28,466
ABOUT?

14647
07:48:28,466 --> 07:48:31,133
>> SHE IS GOING TO GO THROUGH

14648
07:48:31,133 --> 07:48:33,333
SOME THINGS IT DIDN'T SOUND

14649
07:48:33,333 --> 07:48:33,633
GOOD.

14650
07:48:33,633 --> 07:48:35,833
IT SOUNDED LIKE A THREAT.

14651
07:48:35,833 --> 07:48:39,466
>> DID YOU FEEL THREATENED?

14652
07:48:39,466 --> 07:48:42,966
>> I DID.

14653
07:48:42,966 --> 07:48:43,200
>>

14654
07:48:43,200 --> 07:48:47,466
>> AND AS WE ALL WITNESSED IN

14655
07:48:47,466 --> 07:48:50,166
REAL-TIME IN THE MIDDLE OF

14656
07:48:50,166 --> 07:48:52,933
AMBASSADOR YOVANOVITCH'S LIVE

14657
07:48:52,933 --> 07:48:54,800
TESTIMONY THE PRESIDENT TWEETED

14658
07:48:54,800 --> 07:48:57,866
ABOUT THE BALANCE DOOR,

14659
07:48:57,866 --> 07:48:59,266
AMBASSADORDISCREDITING HER

14660
07:48:59,266 --> 07:49:03,000
SERVICE IN SOMALIA AND THE

14661
07:49:03,000 --> 07:49:03,333
UKRAINE.

14662
07:49:03,333 --> 07:49:04,266
AMBASSADOR YOVANOVITCH TESTIFIED

14663
07:49:04,266 --> 07:49:05,866
THAT PRESIDENT'S TWEET WAS, AND

14664
07:49:05,866 --> 07:49:10,600
I QUOTE, VERY INTIMIDATING.

14665
07:49:10,600 --> 07:49:11,500
PROFESSOR GERHARDT, THESE

14666
07:49:11,500 --> 07:49:14,666
ATTACKS ON A CAREER PUBLIC

14667
07:49:14,666 --> 07:49:17,133
SERVANT ARE DEEPLY UPSETTING,

14668
07:49:17,133 --> 07:49:20,266
BUT HOW DO THEY FIT INTO OUR

14669
07:49:20,266 --> 07:49:22,000
UNDERSTANDING OF WHETHER THE

14670
07:49:22,000 --> 07:49:23,500
PRESIDENT HAS COMMITTED HIGH

14671
07:49:23,500 --> 07:49:24,566
CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS?

14672
07:49:24,566 --> 07:49:27,433
AND HOW DO THEY FIT INTO OUR

14673
07:49:27,433 --> 07:49:29,000
BROADER PATTERN OF BEHAVIOR BY

14674
07:49:29,000 --> 07:49:33,300
THIS PRESIDENT TO COVER UP AND

14675
07:49:33,300 --> 07:49:33,933
OBSTRUCT HIS MISCONDUCT?

14676
07:49:33,933 --> 07:49:35,633
>> ONE WAY IN WHICH IT

14677
07:49:35,633 --> 07:49:37,300
CONTRIBUTES TO THE OBSTRUCTION

14678
07:49:37,300 --> 07:49:39,466
OF CONGRESS IS THAT IT DOESN'T

14679
07:49:39,466 --> 07:49:43,366
JUST DEGAME AMBASSADOR

14680
07:49:43,366 --> 07:49:44,366
YOVANOVITCH.

14681
07:49:44,366 --> 07:49:46,233
BY EVERY OTHER ACCOUNT SHE HAS

14682
07:49:46,233 --> 07:49:48,833
BEEN AN EXEMPLARY PUBLIC SERVANT

14683
07:49:48,833 --> 07:49:50,600
SO WHAT HE IS SUGGESTING THERE

14684
07:49:50,600 --> 07:49:51,466
MAY NOT BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT

14685
07:49:51,466 --> 07:49:53,533
WE KNOW AS FACTS.

14686
07:49:53,533 --> 07:49:55,333
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ALSO

14687
07:49:55,333 --> 07:49:56,600
HAPPENS WHEN HE SENDS OUT

14688
07:49:56,600 --> 07:49:58,366
SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IT

14689
07:49:58,366 --> 07:49:59,266
INTIMIDATES EVERYBODY ELSE WHO

14690
07:49:59,266 --> 07:50:01,566
IS THINKING ABOUT TESTIFYING,

14691
07:50:01,566 --> 07:50:03,466
ANY OTHER PUBLIC SERVANTS WHO

14692
07:50:03,466 --> 07:50:04,400
THINK THEY SHOULD COME FORWARD.

14693
07:50:04,400 --> 07:50:06,733
THEY ARE GOING TO WORRY THAT

14694
07:50:06,733 --> 07:50:07,566
THEY ARE GOING TO GET PUNISHED

14695
07:50:07,566 --> 07:50:09,266
IN SOME WAY, THEY ARE GOING TO

14696
07:50:09,266 --> 07:50:17,800
FACE THINGS THAT SHE HAS FACED.

14697
07:50:17,800 --> 07:50:21,600
THAT IS THE WOMAN PRESIDENT

14698
07:50:21,600 --> 07:50:22,933
TRUMP HAS THREATENED BEFORE YOU.

14699
07:50:22,933 --> 07:50:25,300
AND I CAN ASSURE YOU I

14700
07:50:25,300 --> 07:50:26,733
PERSONALLY KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE

14701
07:50:26,733 --> 07:50:31,200
TO BE UNFAIRLY ATTACKED.

14702
07:50:31,200 --> 07:50:32,933
PUBLICLY FOR YOUR SENSE OF DUTY

14703
07:50:32,933 --> 07:50:35,433
TO AMERICA.

14704
07:50:35,433 --> 07:50:37,066
AMBASSADOR YOVANOVITCH DESERVES

14705
07:50:37,066 --> 07:50:37,400
BETTER.

14706
07:50:37,400 --> 07:50:40,900
NO MATTER YOUR PARTY, WHETHER

14707
07:50:40,900 --> 07:50:42,333
YOU ARE A DEMOCRAT OR

14708
07:50:42,333 --> 07:50:45,066
REPUBLICAN, I DON'T THINK ANY OF

14709
07:50:45,066 --> 07:50:47,400
US THINKS THAT THIS IS OKAY.

14710
07:50:47,400 --> 07:50:50,333
IT IS PLAINLY WRONG FOR THE

14711
07:50:50,333 --> 07:50:52,166
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

14712
07:50:52,166 --> 07:50:54,433
TO ATTACK A CAREER PUBLIC

14713
07:50:54,433 --> 07:50:56,900
SERVANT JUST FOR TELLING THE

14714
07:50:56,900 --> 07:50:58,600
TRUTH AS SHE KNOWS IT.

14715
07:50:58,600 --> 07:50:59,733
AND I YIELD BACK THE BALANCE OF

14716
07:50:59,733 --> 07:51:03,400
MY TIME.

14717
07:51:03,400 --> 07:51:06,566
>> GENTLELADY YIELDS BACK.

14718
07:51:06,566 --> 07:51:06,966
MR. STANTON.

14719
07:51:06,966 --> 07:51:08,266
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH,

14720
07:51:08,266 --> 07:51:09,100
MR. CHAIRMAN AND THANK YOU TO

14721
07:51:09,100 --> 07:51:12,733
OUR OUTSTANDING WITNESSES HERE

14722
07:51:12,733 --> 07:51:13,033
TODAY.

14723
07:51:13,033 --> 07:51:16,366
PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS -- WITH

14724
07:51:16,366 --> 07:51:17,333
CONGRESSIONAL SUBPOENAS.

14725
07:51:17,333 --> 07:51:18,833
THIS BLANKET CATEGORICAL

14726
07:51:18,833 --> 07:51:21,233
DISREGARD OF THE LEGISLATIVE

14727
07:51:21,233 --> 07:51:22,800
BRANCH BEGAN WITH THE

14728
07:51:22,800 --> 07:51:24,100
PRESIDENT'S REFUSAL TO COOPERATE

14729
07:51:24,100 --> 07:51:26,466
WITH REGULAR CONGRESSIONAL

14730
07:51:26,466 --> 07:51:28,666
OVERSIGHT AND HAS NOW EXTENDED

14731
07:51:28,666 --> 07:51:30,433
TO THE HOUSE'S CONSTITUTIONAL

14732
07:51:30,433 --> 07:51:31,366
DUTY ON IMPEACHMENT, THE REASON

14733
07:51:31,366 --> 07:51:33,633
WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY.

14734
07:51:33,633 --> 07:51:35,633
THIS DISREGARD HAS BEEN ON

14735
07:51:35,633 --> 07:51:37,566
DISPLAY FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

14736
07:51:37,566 --> 07:51:40,266
WHEN ASKED IF HE WOULD COMPLY

14737
07:51:40,266 --> 07:51:41,666
WITH THE DON MCGAHN SUBPOENA

14738
07:51:41,666 --> 07:51:44,466
PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID, QUOTE,

14739
07:51:44,466 --> 07:51:47,433
WELL, WE ARE FIGHTING ALL THE

14740
07:51:47,433 --> 07:51:49,566
SUBPOENAS UNQUOTE.

14741
07:51:49,566 --> 07:51:51,833
NOW WE HAVE DISCUSSED HERE TODAY

14742
07:51:51,833 --> 07:51:55,166
THE OBSTRUCTION OF CONGRESS,

14743
07:51:55,166 --> 07:51:56,533
ARTICLE OF IMPEACHMENT AGAINST

14744
07:51:56,533 --> 07:51:57,033
PRESIDENT NIXON.

14745
07:51:57,033 --> 07:51:59,433
I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO GO A

14746
07:51:59,433 --> 07:52:01,500
LITTLE BIT DEEPER INTO THAT

14747
07:52:01,500 --> 07:52:03,166
DISCUSSION AND JUXTAPOSE IT WITH

14748
07:52:03,166 --> 07:52:04,966
WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP'S ACTIONS.

14749
07:52:04,966 --> 07:52:06,533
PROFESSOR GERHARDT, CAN YOU

14750
07:52:06,533 --> 07:52:08,933
ELABORATE ON HOW PROFESSOR NIXON

14751
07:52:08,933 --> 07:52:10,666
OBSTRUCTED CONGRESS AND HOW IT

14752
07:52:10,666 --> 07:52:13,233
COMPARES TO PRESIDENT TRUMP'S

14753
07:52:13,233 --> 07:52:13,566
ACTIONS?

14754
07:52:13,566 --> 07:52:14,833
>> AS WE WERE DISCUSSING

14755
07:52:14,833 --> 07:52:16,366
EARLIER, AND I AM INCLUDING MY

14756
07:52:16,366 --> 07:52:18,300
WRITTEN STATEMENT, PRESIDENT

14757
07:52:18,300 --> 07:52:19,266
NIXON ULTIMATELY REFUSED TO

14758
07:52:19,266 --> 07:52:20,833
COMPLY WITH FOUR LEGISLATIVE

14759
07:52:20,833 --> 07:52:22,733
SUBPOENAS. THESE WERE SEARCH ZG

14760
07:52:22,733 --> 07:52:25,200
IN ON THE MOST INCRIMINATING

14761
07:52:25,200 --> 07:52:26,100
EVIDENCE HE HAD IN HIS

14762
07:52:26,100 --> 07:52:27,333
POSSESSION SO HE REFUSED TO

14763
07:52:27,333 --> 07:52:29,033
COMPLY WITH THOSE SUBPOENAS AND

14764
07:52:29,033 --> 07:52:31,033
BECAME THE BASIS FOR THE THIRD

14765
07:52:31,033 --> 07:52:33,800
ARTICLE AND HE RESIGNED A FEW

14766
07:52:33,800 --> 07:52:35,066
DAYS LATER.

14767
07:52:35,066 --> 07:52:36,066
PROFESSOR FELDMAN, WHAT ARE THE

14768
07:52:36,066 --> 07:52:37,866
CONSEQUENCES OF THIS

14769
07:52:37,866 --> 07:52:39,100
UNPRECEDENTED OBSTRUCTION OF

14770
07:52:39,100 --> 07:52:41,100
CONGRESS TO OUR DEMOCRACY?

14771
07:52:41,100 --> 07:52:43,433
>> FOR THE PRESIDENT TO REFUSE

14772
07:52:43,433 --> 07:52:47,033
TO PARTICIPATE IN ANYWAY IN THE

14773
07:52:47,033 --> 07:52:48,533
HOUSE'S CONSTITUTIONAL

14774
07:52:48,533 --> 07:52:49,866
OBLIGATION OF SUPERVISING HIM,

14775
07:52:49,866 --> 07:52:52,300
TO IMPEACH HIM BREAKS THE

14776
07:52:52,300 --> 07:52:54,333
CONSTITUTION, IT BASICALLY SAYS,

14777
07:52:54,333 --> 07:52:56,033
NOBODY CAN OVERSEE ME, NOBODY

14778
07:52:56,033 --> 07:52:56,833
CAN IMPEACH ME.

14779
07:52:56,833 --> 07:52:58,500
FIRST I WILL BLOCK WITNESSES

14780
07:52:58,500 --> 07:52:59,933
FROM APPEARING, THEN I WILL

14781
07:52:59,933 --> 07:53:01,600
REFUSE TO PARTICIPATE IN ANYWAY

14782
07:53:01,600 --> 07:53:02,366
AND THEN I WILL SAY YOU DON'T

14783
07:53:02,366 --> 07:53:04,200
HAVE ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO IMPEACH

14784
07:53:04,200 --> 07:53:04,500
ME.

14785
07:53:04,500 --> 07:53:05,633
AND ULTIMATELY THE EFFECT OF

14786
07:53:05,633 --> 07:53:07,466
THAT IS TO GUARANTEE THAT THE

14787
07:53:07,466 --> 07:53:09,000
PRESIDENT IS ABOVE THE LAW AND

14788
07:53:09,000 --> 07:53:10,866
CAN'T BE CHECKED AND SINCE WE

14789
07:53:10,866 --> 07:53:12,100
KNOW THE TRAILERS PUT

14790
07:53:12,100 --> 07:53:13,233
IMPEACHMENT IN THE CONSTITUTION

14791
07:53:13,233 --> 07:53:14,733
TO CHECK THE PRESIDENT, IF THE

14792
07:53:14,733 --> 07:53:17,500
PRESIDENT CAN'T BE CHECKED, HE

14793
07:53:17,500 --> 07:53:19,433
IS NO LONGER SUBJECT TO THE LAW.

14794
07:53:19,433 --> 07:53:20,800
>> PROFESSOR GERHARDT WOULD YOU

14795
07:53:20,800 --> 07:53:22,700
AGREE THAT THE PRESIDENT'S

14796
07:53:22,700 --> 07:53:25,466
REFUSAL TO COMPLY WITH

14797
07:53:25,466 --> 07:53:27,466
CONGRESSIONAL SUBPOENAS INVOKES

14798
07:53:27,466 --> 07:53:29,666
THE FRAMERS' WORST FEARS AND

14799
07:53:29,666 --> 07:53:31,233
ENDANGERS OUR DEMOCRACY?

14800
07:53:31,233 --> 07:53:32,333
>> DOES.

14801
07:53:32,333 --> 07:53:33,466
AND ONE WAY TO UNDERSTAND THAT

14802
07:53:33,466 --> 07:53:35,766
IS TO PUT ALL OF HIS ARGUMENTS

14803
07:53:35,766 --> 07:53:37,133
TOGETHER AND THEN SEE WHAT THE

14804
07:53:37,133 --> 07:53:38,266
RAMIFICATIONS ARE.

14805
07:53:38,266 --> 07:53:39,733
HE SAYS HE IS ENTITLED NOT TO

14806
07:53:39,733 --> 07:53:42,033
COMPLY WITH ALL SUBPOENAS.

14807
07:53:42,033 --> 07:53:43,433
HE SAYS SHE NOT SUBJECT TO ANY

14808
07:53:43,433 --> 07:53:45,200
KIND OF CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION

14809
07:53:45,200 --> 07:53:46,233
WHY HE IS PRESIDENT OF THE

14810
07:53:46,233 --> 07:53:46,666
UNITED STATES.

14811
07:53:46,666 --> 07:53:48,233
HE IS IMMUNE TO THAT AND

14812
07:53:48,233 --> 07:53:50,800
ENTITLED TO KEEP ALL INFORMATION

14813
07:53:50,800 --> 07:53:51,466
CONFIDENTIAL FROM CONGRESS.

14814
07:53:51,466 --> 07:53:54,200
DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO GIVE A

14815
07:53:54,200 --> 07:53:54,533
REASON.

14816
07:53:54,533 --> 07:53:56,266
WHEN YOU PUT ALL OF THOSE THINGS

14817
07:53:56,266 --> 07:53:57,700
TOGETHER .. HE BLOCKED OFF EVERY

14818
07:53:57,700 --> 07:53:59,433
WAY TO HOLD HIMSELF ACCOUNTABLE

14819
07:53:59,433 --> 07:54:00,933
EXCEPT FOR ELECTIONS AND THE

14820
07:54:00,933 --> 07:54:02,000
CRITICAL THING TO UNDERSTAND

14821
07:54:02,000 --> 07:54:03,900
HERE IS THAT IS PRECISELY WHAT

14822
07:54:03,900 --> 07:54:06,233
HE WAS TRYING TO UNDERMINE IN

14823
07:54:06,233 --> 07:54:07,466
THE UKRAINE SITUATION.

14824
07:54:07,466 --> 07:54:08,433
>> MR. KARLAN, DO YOU HAVE

14825
07:54:08,433 --> 07:54:12,300
ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT ANALYSIS

14826
07:54:12,300 --> 07:54:12,666
ANALYSIS?

14827
07:54:12,666 --> 07:54:14,300
>> I THINK THAT IS CORRECT, AND

14828
07:54:14,300 --> 07:54:15,833
IF I CAN JUST SAY ONE THING.

14829
07:54:15,833 --> 07:54:16,466
>> PLEASE.

14830
07:54:16,466 --> 07:54:19,666
>> I WANT TO APOLOGIZE FOR WHAT

14831
07:54:19,666 --> 07:54:21,900
I SAID EARLIER ABOUT THE

14832
07:54:21,900 --> 07:54:23,300
PRESIDENT'S SON, IT WAS WRONG OF

14833
07:54:23,300 --> 07:54:24,533
ME TO DO THAT.

14834
07:54:24,533 --> 07:54:26,500
I WISH THE PRESIDENT WOULD

14835
07:54:26,500 --> 07:54:27,466
APOLOGIZE OBVIOUSLY FOR THE

14836
07:54:27,466 --> 07:54:28,833
THINGS HE THAT HE HAS DONE IS

14837
07:54:28,833 --> 07:54:30,266
WRONG BUT I DO REGRET HAVING

14838
07:54:30,266 --> 07:54:30,666
SAID THAT.

14839
07:54:30,666 --> 07:54:32,766
>> THANK YOU, PROFESSOR.

14840
07:54:32,766 --> 07:54:35,033
>> ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT

14841
07:54:35,033 --> 07:54:37,500
QUESTIONS THAT EVERY MEMBER OF

14842
07:54:37,500 --> 07:54:39,000
THIS COMMITTEE MUST DECIDE IS

14843
07:54:39,000 --> 07:54:41,533
WHETHER WE ARE A NATION OF LAWS

14844
07:54:41,533 --> 07:54:42,633
AND NOT MEN.

14845
07:54:42,633 --> 07:54:45,033
IT USED TO BE AN EASY ANSWER.

14846
07:54:45,033 --> 07:54:47,433
ONE, WE COULD ALL AGREE ON.

14847
07:54:47,433 --> 07:54:49,366
WHEN PRESIDENT NIXON DEFIES THE

14848
07:54:49,366 --> 07:54:51,566
LAW AND OBSTRUCTED JUSTICE HE

14849
07:54:51,566 --> 07:54:54,866
WAS HELD TO ACCOUNT BY PEOPLE ON

14850
07:54:54,866 --> 07:54:57,766
BOTH SIDES WHO KNEW THAT FOR A

14851
07:54:57,766 --> 07:54:59,433
REPUBLIC TO ENDURE WE MUST HAVE

14852
07:54:59,433 --> 07:55:01,633
FIDEL THE TOY OUR COUNTRY,

14853
07:55:01,633 --> 07:55:04,633
RATHER THAN ONE PARTY OR ONE MAN

14854
07:55:04,633 --> 07:55:06,300
AND THE OBSTRUCTION WE ARE

14855
07:55:06,300 --> 07:55:09,066
LOOKING AT TODAY IS FAR WORSE

14856
07:55:09,066 --> 07:55:12,900
THAN PRESIDENT NIXON'S BEHAVIOR.

14857
07:55:12,900 --> 07:55:15,000
FUTURE GENERATIONS WILL MEASURE

14858
07:55:15,000 --> 07:55:17,800
US EVERY SINGLE MEMBER OF THIS

14859
07:55:17,800 --> 07:55:19,466
COMMITTEE BY HOW WE CHOOSE TO

14860
07:55:19,466 --> 07:55:21,433
ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

14861
07:55:21,433 --> 07:55:23,466
I HOPE WE GET IT RIGHT.

14862
07:55:23,466 --> 07:55:26,533
I YIELD BACK.

14863
07:55:26,533 --> 07:55:29,333
>> THE GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK.

14864
07:55:29,333 --> 07:55:29,866
MR. STOOB BY.

14865
07:55:29,866 --> 07:55:31,133
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, I

14866
07:55:31,133 --> 07:55:32,166
ONLY HAVE BEEN IN CONGRESS SINCE

14867
07:55:32,166 --> 07:55:33,466
JANUARY OF THIS YEAR AND ON THE

14868
07:55:33,466 --> 07:55:35,066
VERY FIRST DAY OF MY SWEARING IN

14869
07:55:35,066 --> 07:55:37,466
A EM IN MY CLASS CALLED FOR

14870
07:55:37,466 --> 07:55:38,733
IMPEACHMENT OF THE REAL ESTATE

14871
07:55:38,733 --> 07:55:40,366
ON DAY ONE.

14872
07:55:40,366 --> 07:55:41,866
USING MUCH MORE COLORFUL

14873
07:55:41,866 --> 07:55:43,600
LANGUAGE THAN I WOULD EVER USE.

14874
07:55:43,600 --> 07:55:44,900
SINCE THEN THIS COMMITTEE

14875
07:55:44,900 --> 07:55:47,000
FOCUSED ON THE MUELLER REPORT IN

14876
07:55:47,000 --> 07:55:50,966
THE RUSSIA COLLUSION THEORY AND

14877
07:55:50,966 --> 07:55:54,633
LISTENED TO MR. MUELLER UNIF, HE

14878
07:55:54,633 --> 07:55:55,433
GIVECALLY STATE THERE WAS NO,

14879
07:55:55,433 --> 07:55:57,066
PRESIDENT TRUMP DIDN'T COLLUDE

14880
07:55:57,066 --> 07:55:58,000
AND CHANGED THEIR TALKING POINTS

14881
07:55:58,000 --> 07:56:00,433
AND MOVED TO THE OBSTRUCTION OF

14882
07:56:00,433 --> 07:56:02,066
JUSTICE THEORY, THE PRESIDENT

14883
07:56:02,066 --> 07:56:03,866
OBSTRUCTED JUSTICE AND THAT

14884
07:56:03,866 --> 07:56:06,000
FIZZLED AND AFTER COORDINATING

14885
07:56:06,000 --> 07:56:07,500
WITH CHAIRMAN STIFF'S STAFF THE

14886
07:56:07,500 --> 07:56:09,633
WHISTLEBLOWER FILED A REPORT

14887
07:56:09,633 --> 07:56:11,666
BASED COMPLETELY ON HEARSAY AND

14888
07:56:11,666 --> 07:56:13,333
HEARD THEM TALK ABOUT A PHONE

14889
07:56:13,333 --> 07:56:14,866
CALL BETWEEN TWO WORLD LEADERS

14890
07:56:14,866 --> 07:56:17,400
WHICH LED TO THE INTEL COMMITTEE

14891
07:56:17,400 --> 07:56:18,100
SO-CALLED IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY

14892
07:56:18,100 --> 07:56:20,833
THAT VIOLATED ALL PAST

14893
07:56:20,833 --> 07:56:22,366
HISTORICAL PRECEDENT, DENIED

14894
07:56:22,366 --> 07:56:24,366
PRESIDENT BASIC DUE PROCESS

14895
07:56:24,366 --> 07:56:25,366
RIGHTS AND FUNDAMENTAL FAIRNESS

14896
07:56:25,366 --> 07:56:26,900
BY CONDUCTING THIS SO-CALLED

14897
07:56:26,900 --> 07:56:29,200
INQUIRY IN SECRET WITHOUT THE

14898
07:56:29,200 --> 07:56:30,300
MINORITY'S ABILITY TO CALL

14899
07:56:30,300 --> 07:56:31,633
WITNESSES AND DENIED THE

14900
07:56:31,633 --> 07:56:33,133
PRESIDENT THE ABILITY TO HAVE

14901
07:56:33,133 --> 07:56:34,700
HIS LAWYERS CROSS-EXAMINE

14902
07:56:34,700 --> 07:56:37,133
WITNESSES, A RIGHT AFFORDED TO

14903
07:56:37,133 --> 07:56:37,933
PRESIDENT CLINTON AND EVERY

14904
07:56:37,933 --> 07:56:39,466
DEFENDANT IN OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM,

14905
07:56:39,466 --> 07:56:41,433
INCLUDING RAPISTS AND MURDERERS.

14906
07:56:41,433 --> 07:56:42,266
THE REPUBLICANS ON THIS

14907
07:56:42,266 --> 07:56:43,800
COMMITTEE HAVE REPEATEDLY

14908
07:56:43,800 --> 07:56:45,066
REQUESTED ALL EVIDENCE COLLECTED

14909
07:56:45,066 --> 07:56:46,800
BY THE INTEL COMMITTEE AS WE SIT

14910
07:56:46,800 --> 07:56:48,833
HERE TODAY, WE STILL DON'T HAVE

14911
07:56:48,833 --> 07:56:50,633
THE UNDERLYING EVIDENCE THAT WE

14912
07:56:50,633 --> 07:56:51,400
HAVE BEEN REQUESTING.

14913
07:56:51,400 --> 07:56:53,533
AGAIN A RIGHT AFFORDED EVERY

14914
07:56:53,533 --> 07:56:54,666
CRIMINAL DEFENDANT IN THE UNITED

14915
07:56:54,666 --> 07:56:55,333
STATES.

14916
07:56:55,333 --> 07:56:58,033
SO INSTEAD, WE SIT HERE GETTING

14917
07:56:58,033 --> 07:56:59,400
LECTURES FROM LAW PROFESSORS

14918
07:56:59,400 --> 07:57:02,633
ABOUT THEIR OPINIONS, THEIR

14919
07:57:02,633 --> 07:57:03,633
OPINIONS, NOT FACTS, I GUESS THE

14920
07:57:03,633 --> 07:57:04,233
DEMOCRATS NEEDED A

14921
07:57:04,233 --> 07:57:06,733
CONSTITUTIONAL LAW REFRESHER

14922
07:57:06,733 --> 07:57:07,166
COURSE.

14923
07:57:07,166 --> 07:57:08,766
THE REPUBLICANS DON'T.

14924
07:57:08,766 --> 07:57:09,333
MR. CHAIRMAN YOU HAVE

14925
07:57:09,333 --> 07:57:11,500
ACKNOWLEDGED AND I QUOTE, THE

14926
07:57:11,500 --> 07:57:13,200
HOUSE QUOTE POWER OF IMPEACHMENT

14927
07:57:13,200 --> 07:57:15,233
DEMANDS A RIGOROUS LEVEL OF DUE

14928
07:57:15,233 --> 07:57:15,566
PROCESS.

14929
07:57:15,566 --> 07:57:17,766
DUE PROCESS MEANS THE RIGHT TO

14930
07:57:17,766 --> 07:57:19,033
CONFRONT WITNESSES AGAINST YOU.

14931
07:57:19,033 --> 07:57:20,966
TO CALL YOUR OWN WITNESSES AND

14932
07:57:20,966 --> 07:57:22,366
TO HAVE THE ASSISTANCE OF

14933
07:57:22,366 --> 07:57:22,700
COUNSEL.

14934
07:57:22,700 --> 07:57:25,266
THOSE ARE YOUR WORDS,

14935
07:57:25,266 --> 07:57:25,866
MR. CHAIRMAN, NOT MINE.

14936
07:57:25,866 --> 07:57:26,466
WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF?

14937
07:57:26,466 --> 07:57:28,266
LET THE MINORITY CALL WITNESSES.

14938
07:57:28,266 --> 07:57:30,566
LET THE PRESIDENT CALL

14939
07:57:30,566 --> 07:57:30,933
WITNESSES.

14940
07:57:30,933 --> 07:57:32,300
CLINTON ALONE CALLED 14

14941
07:57:32,300 --> 07:57:33,066
WITNESSES TO TESTIFY.

14942
07:57:33,066 --> 07:57:35,433
LET THE PRESIDENT'S COUNSEL

14943
07:57:35,433 --> 07:57:36,900
CROSS-EXAMINE THE WHISTLEBLOWER

14944
07:57:36,900 --> 07:57:37,766
LET THE PRESIDENT'S COUNSEL

14945
07:57:37,766 --> 07:57:41,166
CROSS-EXAMINE THE INTEL STAFF,

14946
07:57:41,166 --> 07:57:41,900
INCLUDING THE WHISTLEBLOWER, IN

14947
07:57:41,900 --> 07:57:42,633
YOUR OWN WORDS THOSE ARE THE

14948
07:57:42,633 --> 07:57:44,300
RIGHT THAT SHOULD BE AFFORDED TO

14949
07:57:44,300 --> 07:57:45,000
THE PRESIDENT.

14950
07:57:45,000 --> 07:57:46,800
RIGHTS EVERY CRIMINAL DEFENDANT

14951
07:57:46,800 --> 07:57:48,800
IS AFFORDED, EVEN TERRORISTS IN

14952
07:57:48,800 --> 07:57:50,300
IRAQ WERE AFFORDED MORE DUE

14953
07:57:50,300 --> 07:57:51,900
PROCESS THAN YOU AND THE

14954
07:57:51,900 --> 07:57:53,233
DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY HAVE

14955
07:57:53,233 --> 07:57:53,833
AFFORDED THE PRESIDENT.

14956
07:57:53,833 --> 07:57:56,133
I KNOW BECAUSE I SERVED IN IRAQ

14957
07:57:56,133 --> 07:57:57,300
AND I PROSECUTED TERRORISTS IN

14958
07:57:57,300 --> 07:57:59,466
IRAQ AND WE PROVIDED TERRORISTS

14959
07:57:59,466 --> 07:58:02,133
IN IRAQ MORE RIGHTS AND DUE

14960
07:58:02,133 --> 07:58:03,433
PROCESS IN THE CENTRAL CRIMINAL

14961
07:58:03,433 --> 07:58:04,800
COURT OF IRAQ THAN YOU AND

14962
07:58:04,800 --> 07:58:05,866
CHAIRMAN SHIVER HAVE AFFORDED

14963
07:58:05,866 --> 07:58:07,700
THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED

14964
07:58:07,700 --> 07:58:08,333
STATES.

14965
07:58:08,333 --> 07:58:10,433
NO COLLUSION, NO OBSTRUCTION, NO

14966
07:58:10,433 --> 07:58:13,766
QUID PRO QUO, NO EVIDENCE OF

14967
07:58:13,766 --> 07:58:14,766
BRIBERY, EXCEPT OPINION, NO

14968
07:58:14,766 --> 07:58:15,833
EVIDENCE OF TREASON, NO EVIDENCE

14969
07:58:15,833 --> 07:58:17,900
OF HIGH CRIME OR MISDEMEANORS,

14970
07:58:17,900 --> 07:58:20,000
WE HAVE A BUNCH OF OPINIONS FROM

14971
07:58:20,000 --> 07:58:21,133
PARTISAN DEMOCRATS WHO HAVE

14972
07:58:21,133 --> 07:58:22,000
STATED FROM DAY ONE THAT THEY

14973
07:58:22,000 --> 07:58:23,333
WANT TO IMPEACH THE REAL ESTATE.

14974
07:58:23,333 --> 07:58:26,166
AND NOT ONLY THIS THEORY BUT ON

14975
07:58:26,166 --> 07:58:27,133
MULTIPLE OTHER THEORIES.

14976
07:58:27,133 --> 07:58:29,800
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE SMARTER

14977
07:58:29,800 --> 07:58:31,466
THAN YOUR ABC'S OF IMPEACHMENT

14978
07:58:31,466 --> 07:58:33,233
YOU HAVE HAD ON THE SCREEN.

14979
07:58:33,233 --> 07:58:35,366
THAT WERE LAID OUT TODAY AND IT

14980
07:58:35,366 --> 07:58:36,633
IS EXTREMELY DEMONSTRATIVE OF

14981
07:58:36,633 --> 07:58:38,900
YOUR LACK OF EVIDENCE GIVING,

14982
07:58:38,900 --> 07:58:39,966
YOU CALLED LAW PROFESSORS TO

14983
07:58:39,966 --> 07:58:42,200
GIVE THEIR OPINIONS AND NOT FACT

14984
07:58:42,200 --> 07:58:43,333
WITNESSES TO GIVE THEIR

14985
07:58:43,333 --> 07:58:45,133
TESTIMONY TODAY TO BE

14986
07:58:45,133 --> 07:58:45,833
CROSS-EXAMINED AND THE RIGHTS

14987
07:58:45,833 --> 07:58:47,166
AFFORDED TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE

14988
07:58:47,166 --> 07:58:48,333
UNITED STATES.

14989
07:58:48,333 --> 07:58:49,700
MR. CHAIRMAN, WHEN CAN WE

14990
07:58:49,700 --> 07:58:50,633
ANTICIPATE THAT YOU WILL CHOOSE

14991
07:58:50,633 --> 07:58:54,366
A DATE FOR THE MINORITY DAY OF

14992
07:58:54,366 --> 07:58:55,533
HEARINGS?

14993
07:58:55,533 --> 07:58:57,933
MR. CHAIRMAN I AM ASKING YOU A

14994
07:58:57,933 --> 07:58:58,300
QUESTION.

14995
07:58:58,300 --> 07:58:59,033
>> WHEN CAN WE ANTICIPATE THAT

14996
07:58:59,033 --> 07:59:01,766
YOU WILL CHOOSE A DATE FOR THE

14997
07:59:01,766 --> 07:59:02,433
MINORITY DAY OF HEARINGS A?

14998
07:59:02,433 --> 07:59:05,966
>> THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED

14999
07:59:05,966 --> 07:59:07,466
FOR THE PURPOSE OF QUESTIONING

15000
07:59:07,466 --> 07:59:09,133
THE WITNESSES NOT FOR COLLOQUY

15001
07:59:09,133 --> 07:59:10,266
WITH COLLEAGUES.

15002
07:59:10,266 --> 07:59:11,300
WELL THEN I WILL DO HEREINAFTER

15003
07:59:11,300 --> 07:59:12,133
MY TIME.

15004
07:59:12,133 --> 07:59:14,333
I YIELD THE REMAINDER OF MY TIME

15005
07:59:14,333 --> 07:59:15,066
TO MR. RATCLIFFE.

15006
07:59:15,066 --> 07:59:16,833
>> I THANK MY COLLEAGUE FROM

15007
07:59:16,833 --> 07:59:17,633
FLORIDA FOR YIELDING.

15008
07:59:17,633 --> 07:59:20,333
PROFESSOR TURLEY, SINCE WE LAST

15009
07:59:20,333 --> 07:59:21,066
TALKED, BASED ON TEN QUESTIONING

15010
07:59:21,066 --> 07:59:22,466
FROM MY COLLEAGUES ACROSS THE

15011
07:59:22,466 --> 07:59:23,500
AISLE IT DOES IN FACT APPEAR

15012
07:59:23,500 --> 07:59:25,800
THAT THE DEMOCRATS DO INTEND TO

15013
07:59:25,800 --> 07:59:27,233
PURSUE ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT

15014
07:59:27,233 --> 07:59:29,400
OR OBSTRUCTION OF JUST BASED ON

15015
07:59:29,400 --> 07:59:30,900
THE MUELLER REPORT.

15016
07:59:30,900 --> 07:59:32,066
I ASKED YOU A QUESTION ABOUT

15017
07:59:32,066 --> 07:59:33,500
THAT AND YOU DIDN'T REALLY GIVE

15018
07:59:33,500 --> 07:59:36,466
A CHANCE TO GIVE A COMPLETE

15019
07:59:36,466 --> 07:59:39,466
ANSWER AND IN YOUR STATEMENT

15020
07:59:39,466 --> 07:59:41,566
TODAY YOU MAYBE THIS STATEMENT.

15021
07:59:41,566 --> 07:59:43,300
I BELIEVE AN OBSTRUCTION CLAIM

15022
07:59:43,300 --> 07:59:44,333
BASED ON THE MUELLER REPORT

15023
07:59:44,333 --> 07:59:45,466
WOULD BE AT ODDS WITH THE RECORD

15024
07:59:45,466 --> 07:59:47,733
AND THE CONTROLLING LAW.

15025
07:59:47,733 --> 07:59:50,366
USE OF AN OBSTRUCTION THEORY

15026
07:59:50,366 --> 07:59:52,366
FROM THE MUELLER REPORT WOULD BE

15027
07:59:52,366 --> 07:59:54,100
UNSUPPORTABLE IN THE HOUSE AND

15028
07:59:54,100 --> 07:59:55,733
UNSUSTAINABLE IN THE SENATE.

15029
07:59:55,733 --> 07:59:56,433
DO YOU REMEMBER WRITING THAT?

15030
07:59:56,433 --> 07:59:56,900
>> YES, I DO.

15031
07:59:56,900 --> 07:59:58,200
>> WHY DID YOU WRITE THAT?

15032
07:59:58,200 --> 08:00:01,600
>> BECAUSE I THINK IT IS TRUE.

15033
08:00:01,600 --> 08:00:04,900
THE FACT IS THAT THIS WAS

15034
08:00:04,900 --> 08:00:07,466
REVIEWED BY JUSTICE, THE SPECIAL

15035
08:00:07,466 --> 08:00:09,833
COUNSEL DID NOT REACH A

15036
08:00:09,833 --> 08:00:11,433
CONCLUSION OF OBSTRUCTION AND

15037
08:00:11,433 --> 08:00:15,433
SHOULD HAVE THE -- THE ABSURD IN

15038
08:00:15,433 --> 08:00:18,566
NOT REACHING AN CONCLUSION, BUT

15039
08:00:18,566 --> 08:00:18,833
THE.

15040
08:00:18,833 --> 08:00:19,466
>> ATTORNEY:, ATTORNEY,

15041
08:00:19,466 --> 08:00:21,833
ATTORNEY GENERAL DID AND THIS IS

15042
08:00:21,833 --> 08:00:23,300
THE RIGHT CONCLUSION.

15043
08:00:23,300 --> 08:00:25,733
THIS IS NOT A RIPE CAPE FOR

15044
08:00:25,733 --> 08:00:28,033
OBSTRUCTION BUT THIS BODY WOULD

15045
08:00:28,033 --> 08:00:30,133
IMFEATURE PRESIDENT BASED ON THE

15046
08:00:30,133 --> 08:00:30,666
INVERSE CONCLUSION.

15047
08:00:30,666 --> 08:00:31,933
I DON'T BELIEVE IT WOULD BE

15048
08:00:31,933 --> 08:00:32,333
APPROPRIATE.

15049
08:00:32,333 --> 08:00:34,933
>> THE GENTLEMAN'S TIME IS

15050
08:00:34,933 --> 08:00:35,433
EXPIRED.

15051
08:00:35,433 --> 08:00:35,800
MS. DEAN.

15052
08:00:35,800 --> 08:00:38,933
>> I, MR. THANK YOU,

15053
08:00:38,933 --> 08:00:39,733
MR. CHAIRMAN, WORDS MATTER, IN

15054
08:00:39,733 --> 08:00:41,666
MY EARLIER LIFE, PROFESSORS, I

15055
08:00:41,666 --> 08:00:43,166
WAS A PROFESSOR OF WRITING, I

15056
08:00:43,166 --> 08:00:44,833
TAUGHT MY STUDENTS TO BE CAREFUL

15057
08:00:44,833 --> 08:00:47,400
AND CLEAR ABOUT WHAT THEY PUT TO

15058
08:00:47,400 --> 08:00:47,966
PAPER.

15059
08:00:47,966 --> 08:00:49,733
THAT IS A LESSON THAT THE

15060
08:00:49,733 --> 08:00:50,966
FRAMERS OF OUR CONSTITUTION

15061
08:00:50,966 --> 08:00:52,666
UNDERSTOOD FAR BETTER THAN

15062
08:00:52,666 --> 08:00:53,000
ANYONE.

15063
08:00:53,000 --> 08:00:54,200
THEY WERE LAYING THE FOUNDATION

15064
08:00:54,200 --> 08:00:56,166
FOR A NEW FORM OF GOVERNMENT,

15065
08:00:56,166 --> 08:00:58,900
ONE THAT ENSHRINES DEPENDENT

15066
08:00:58,900 --> 08:01:00,333
PRINCIPLES AND PROTECTS AGAINST

15067
08:01:00,333 --> 08:01:01,733
THOSE WHO WOULD SEEK TO

15068
08:01:01,733 --> 08:01:03,466
UNDERMINE THEM.

15069
08:01:03,466 --> 08:01:04,500
THE CONSTITUTION EXPLICITLY LAYS

15070
08:01:04,500 --> 08:01:06,633
OUT THAT A PRESIDENT MAY BE

15071
08:01:06,633 --> 08:01:10,000
IMPEACHED FOR TREASON, BRIBERY,

15072
08:01:10,000 --> 08:01:10,700
HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS.

15073
08:01:10,700 --> 08:01:12,933
WE HEARD A LOT OF WORDS TODAY,

15074
08:01:12,933 --> 08:01:14,900
FOREIGN INTERFERENCE, BRIBERY,

15075
08:01:14,900 --> 08:01:16,100
OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE, A

15076
08:01:16,100 --> 08:01:16,800
PROFESSORS I WOULD LIKE TO GO

15077
08:01:16,800 --> 08:01:19,433
THROUGH THE PRESIDENT'S CONDUCT.

15078
08:01:19,433 --> 08:01:20,866
AND THE PUBLIC HARMS WE HAVE

15079
08:01:20,866 --> 08:01:22,100
DISCUSSED TODAY AND ASK IF THEY

15080
08:01:22,100 --> 08:01:25,033
WOULD FIT INTO WHAT THE

15081
08:01:25,033 --> 08:01:25,933
FOREFATHERS CONTEMPLATED WHEN

15082
08:01:25,933 --> 08:01:28,966
CRAFTING THOSE WORDS OF THE

15083
08:01:28,966 --> 08:01:29,866
IMPEACHMENT CLAUSE.

15084
08:01:29,866 --> 08:01:31,400
PROFESSOR KARLAN, I WOULD LIKE

15085
08:01:31,400 --> 08:01:33,133
TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE FOREIGN

15086
08:01:33,133 --> 08:01:35,233
INTERFERENCE IN ELECTIONS, AS

15087
08:01:35,233 --> 08:01:38,266
AMERICANS WE CAN AGREE FOREIGN

15088
08:01:38,266 --> 08:01:39,366
INTERFERENCE, FOREIGN INFLUENCE

15089
08:01:39,366 --> 08:01:40,933
ERODES THE INTEGRITY OF OUR

15090
08:01:40,933 --> 08:01:43,333
ELECTIONS AND AS YOU SAID SO

15091
08:01:43,333 --> 08:01:46,333
PLAINLY, IT MAKES US LESS FREE.

15092
08:01:46,333 --> 08:01:50,266
YET ON JULY 25TH, 2019 THE

15093
08:01:50,266 --> 08:01:51,400
PRESIDENT COERCED UKRAINIAN

15094
08:01:51,400 --> 08:01:52,533
PRESIDENT ZELENSKY TO ANNOUNCE

15095
08:01:52,533 --> 08:01:54,466
AN INVESTIGATION INTO HIS

15096
08:01:54,466 --> 08:01:56,066
POLITICAL RIVAL, TRUMP'S

15097
08:01:56,066 --> 08:01:56,966
POLITICAL RIVAL.

15098
08:01:56,966 --> 08:01:59,033
WHICH WAS CORROBORATED BY

15099
08:01:59,033 --> 08:02:00,433
MULTIPLE WITNESSES THROUGHOUT

15100
08:02:00,433 --> 08:02:03,466
THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE

15101
08:02:03,466 --> 08:02:04,333
HEARINGS.

15102
08:02:04,333 --> 08:02:05,533
PROFESSOR KARLAN CAN YOU EXPLAIN

15103
08:02:05,533 --> 08:02:06,266
FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE IN YOUR

15104
08:02:06,266 --> 08:02:08,300
OPINION WHETHER THE FRAMERS

15105
08:02:08,300 --> 08:02:10,500
CONSIDERED SOLICITATION OF

15106
08:02:10,500 --> 08:02:11,466
FOREIGN INTERFERENCE, WOULD THEY

15107
08:02:11,466 --> 08:02:13,666
HAVE CONSIDERED IT A HIGH CRIME

15108
08:02:13,666 --> 08:02:14,166
OR MISDEMEANOR?

15109
08:02:14,166 --> 08:02:15,466
>> AND THE DOES THE PRESIDENT'S

15110
08:02:15,466 --> 08:02:17,933
CONDUCT RISE TO THAT LEVEL?

15111
08:02:17,933 --> 08:02:20,300
>> THE FRAMERS OF OUR

15112
08:02:20,300 --> 08:02:21,100
CONSTITUTION WOULD HAVE

15113
08:02:21,100 --> 08:02:22,633
CONSIDERED IT ABHORRENT AND

15114
08:02:22,633 --> 08:02:23,666
CONSIDERED IT THE ESSENCE OF A

15115
08:02:23,666 --> 08:02:26,200
HIGH CRIME OR MISDEMEANOR FOR A

15116
08:02:26,200 --> 08:02:28,766
PRESIDENT TO INVITE IN FOREIGN

15117
08:02:28,766 --> 08:02:29,733
INFLUENCE EITHER IN DECIDING

15118
08:02:29,733 --> 08:02:31,433
WHETHER HE WILL BE REELECTED OR

15119
08:02:31,433 --> 08:02:34,033
DECIDING WHO HIS SUCCESSOR WOULD

15120
08:02:34,033 --> 08:02:34,300
BE.

15121
08:02:34,300 --> 08:02:34,766
>> THANK YOU.

15122
08:02:34,766 --> 08:02:36,166
>> PROFESSOR FELDMAN I WOULD

15123
08:02:36,166 --> 08:02:37,700
LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT

15124
08:02:37,700 --> 08:02:38,033
BRIBERY.

15125
08:02:38,033 --> 08:02:39,100
DURING THE COURSE OF THE

15126
08:02:39,100 --> 08:02:40,400
INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE HEARINGS,

15127
08:02:40,400 --> 08:02:42,366
MULTIPLE WITNESSES GAVE SWORN

15128
08:02:42,366 --> 08:02:43,100
UNREBUTTED TESTIMONY THAT THE

15129
08:02:43,100 --> 08:02:47,000
PRESIDENT WITHHELD NEARLY

15130
08:02:47,000 --> 08:02:47,833
$400 MILLION IN CONGRESSIONALLY

15131
08:02:47,833 --> 08:02:50,000
APPROVED AID ON THE CONDITION

15132
08:02:50,000 --> 08:02:51,433
THAT RUSSIA -- EXCUSE ME -- THAT

15133
08:02:51,433 --> 08:02:52,433
ARE

15134
08:02:52,433 --> 08:02:53,400
UKRAINE ANNOUNCE INVESTIGATIONS

15135
08:02:53,400 --> 08:02:56,033
INTO HIS CHIEF POLITICAL

15136
08:02:56,033 --> 08:02:56,400
ADVERSARY.

15137
08:02:56,400 --> 08:02:58,233
PROFESSOR IN YOUR OPINION, GIVEN

15138
08:02:58,233 --> 08:03:00,666
THOSE FACTS AND THE FRAMERS

15139
08:03:00,666 --> 08:03:01,666
SPECIFIC CONCERNS, WOULD YOU

15140
08:03:01,666 --> 08:03:03,000
DESCRIBE THE PRESIDENT'S

15141
08:03:03,000 --> 08:03:04,833
BEHAVIOR HERE AND THE USE OF HIS

15142
08:03:04,833 --> 08:03:07,000
PUBLIC OFFICE FOR A PRIVATE

15143
08:03:07,000 --> 08:03:08,300
POSSESS AS RISING TO THOSE

15144
08:03:08,300 --> 08:03:08,633
LEVELS?

15145
08:03:08,633 --> 08:03:11,200
>> THE FRAMERS CONSIDERED AS YOU

15146
08:03:11,200 --> 08:03:13,100
SAID, BRIBERY TO CONSIST,

15147
08:03:13,100 --> 08:03:14,366
BRIBERY UNDER THE CONSTITUTION

15148
08:03:14,366 --> 08:03:16,833
TO CONSIST OF THE PRESIDENT

15149
08:03:16,833 --> 08:03:19,466
ABUSING HIS OFFICE CORRUPTLY FOR

15150
08:03:19,466 --> 08:03:20,300
PERSONAL GAIN.

15151
08:03:20,300 --> 08:03:23,033
IF THIS HOUSE DETERMINES AND IF

15152
08:03:23,033 --> 08:03:24,200
THIS COMMITTEE DETERMINES THAT

15153
08:03:24,200 --> 08:03:27,466
THE REAL ESTATE WAS IN FACT

15154
08:03:27,466 --> 08:03:29,133
SEEKING PERSONAL THE PRESIDENT

15155
08:03:29,133 --> 08:03:30,866
WAS IN FACT SEEKING PERSONAL

15156
08:03:30,866 --> 08:03:31,633
GAME IN THE THINGS HE ASKED FOR

15157
08:03:31,633 --> 08:03:33,200
THEN THAT WOULD CONSTITUTE

15158
08:03:33,200 --> 08:03:34,533
BRIBERY UNDER THE CONSTITUTION.

15159
08:03:34,533 --> 08:03:35,433
>> THANK YOU.

15160
08:03:35,433 --> 08:03:37,200
PROFESSOR GERHARDT I WOULD LIKE

15161
08:03:37,200 --> 08:03:39,433
TO ASK YOU QUNL ABOUT .. ASK YOU

15162
08:03:39,433 --> 08:03:40,600
ABOUT THE OBSTRUCTION OF

15163
08:03:40,600 --> 08:03:40,933
JUSTICE.

15164
08:03:40,933 --> 08:03:42,733
THE PRESIDENT CATEGORICALLY

15165
08:03:42,733 --> 08:03:45,466
REFUSED TO 0 PRODUCE ANY

15166
08:03:45,466 --> 08:03:48,200
DOCUMENTS PURSUANT TO SUBPOENAS,

15167
08:03:48,200 --> 08:03:50,633
ATTACKED ACTUALLY WITNESSES

15168
08:03:50,633 --> 08:03:52,266
INCLUDING CAREER CIVIL AND

15169
08:03:52,266 --> 08:03:54,200
MILITARY SERVANTS AS DISCUSSED

15170
08:03:54,200 --> 08:03:56,266
HERE LIKE AMBASSADOR

15171
08:03:56,266 --> 08:03:57,200
YOVANOVITCH, LIEUTENANT COLONEL

15172
08:03:57,200 --> 08:03:58,400
VINDMAN, AMBASSADOR TAYLOR,

15173
08:03:58,400 --> 08:03:59,433
JENNIFER WILLIAMS AND OTHERS AND

15174
08:03:59,433 --> 08:04:02,000
HE DIRECTED ALL CURRENT AND

15175
08:04:02,000 --> 08:04:02,766
FORMER ADMINISTRATION WITNESSES

15176
08:04:02,766 --> 08:04:06,566
TO DEFY CONGRESSIONAL SUBPOENAS.

15177
08:04:06,566 --> 08:04:07,600
PROFESSOR, BASED ON THAT SET OF

15178
08:04:07,600 --> 08:04:09,000
FACTS, DOES THIS CONDUCT MEET

15179
08:04:09,000 --> 08:04:11,033
THE THRESHOLD FOR OBSTRUCTION OF

15180
08:04:11,033 --> 08:04:12,833
JUSTICE AS ENVISIONED IN THE

15181
08:04:12,833 --> 08:04:13,266
CONSTITUTION?

15182
08:04:13,266 --> 08:04:14,433
>> YES, MA'AM, I BELIEVE IT

15183
08:04:14,433 --> 08:04:14,733
DOES.

15184
08:04:14,733 --> 08:04:16,000
I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS HERE 21

15185
08:04:16,000 --> 08:04:18,833
YEARS AGO, ALONG WITH PROFESSOR

15186
08:04:18,833 --> 08:04:20,300
TURLEY, TESTIFYING BEFORE A

15187
08:04:20,300 --> 08:04:21,266
DIFFERENTLY CONSTITUTED

15188
08:04:21,266 --> 08:04:22,933
COMMITTEE ON A VERY SERIOUS

15189
08:04:22,933 --> 08:04:23,666
QUESTION REGARDING IMPEACHMENT

15190
08:04:23,666 --> 08:04:26,133
AND I REMEMBER A NUMBER OF LAW

15191
08:04:26,133 --> 08:04:27,466
PROFESSORS VERY ELOQUENTLY

15192
08:04:27,466 --> 08:04:29,433
TALKING ABOUT PRESIDENT

15193
08:04:29,433 --> 08:04:30,766
CLINTON'S MISCONDUCT AS AN

15194
08:04:30,766 --> 08:04:31,933
ATTACK ON THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM.

15195
08:04:31,933 --> 08:04:33,800
AND THAT'S WHAT YOU JUST

15196
08:04:33,800 --> 08:04:34,433
DESCRIBED TO ME.

15197
08:04:34,433 --> 08:04:36,233
>> THANK YOU.

15198
08:04:36,233 --> 08:04:36,966
AND THANK YOU, PROFESSORS, ALL

15199
08:04:36,966 --> 08:04:38,833
OF YOU, ALL FOUR OF YOU, WHAT

15200
08:04:38,833 --> 08:04:40,033
YOU DID TODAY IS YOU BROUGHT

15201
08:04:40,033 --> 08:04:42,033
PART OF OUR CONSTITUTION TO LIFE

15202
08:04:42,033 --> 08:04:43,966
AND I THANK YOU FOR THAT.

15203
08:04:43,966 --> 08:04:46,000
YOU HAVE SHOWN WHAT THE FRAMERS

15204
08:04:46,000 --> 08:04:47,666
WERE MINDFUL OF WHEN THEY WROTE

15205
08:04:47,666 --> 08:04:49,633
THE IMPEACHMENT CLAUSE OF OUR

15206
08:04:49,633 --> 08:04:50,066
CONSTITUTION.

15207
08:04:50,066 --> 08:04:51,433
THEY CHOSE THEIR WORDS AND THEIR

15208
08:04:51,433 --> 08:04:52,600
WORDS MATTER.

15209
08:04:52,600 --> 08:04:54,266
YOU KNOW, IT WAS MY FATHER BOB

15210
08:04:54,266 --> 08:04:56,533
DEAN, A TERRIFIC DAD AND A

15211
08:04:56,533 --> 08:04:58,333
TALENTED WRITER WHO INSTILLED IN

15212
08:04:58,333 --> 08:05:00,266
ME AND MY BROTHERS AND SISTER A

15213
08:05:00,266 --> 08:05:01,800
LOVE OF LANGUAGE.

15214
08:05:01,800 --> 08:05:03,500
HE TAUGHT US OUR WORDS MATTER,

15215
08:05:03,500 --> 08:05:05,100
THE TRUTH MATTERS.

15216
08:05:05,100 --> 08:05:06,700
IT IS THROUGH THAT LENS WHICH I

15217
08:05:06,700 --> 08:05:08,333
SEE ALL OF THE SERIOUS AND

15218
08:05:08,333 --> 08:05:10,200
SOMBER THINGS WE ARE SPEAKING

15219
08:05:10,200 --> 08:05:11,466
ABOUT TODAY, FOREIGN

15220
08:05:11,466 --> 08:05:13,400
INTERFERENCE, BRIBERY,

15221
08:05:13,400 --> 08:05:14,333
OBSTRUCTION, THE FRAMERS LIKELY

15222
08:05:14,333 --> 08:05:16,133
COULD NOT HAVE IMAGINED ALL

15223
08:05:16,133 --> 08:05:17,933
THREE CONCERNS EMBODIED IN A

15224
08:05:17,933 --> 08:05:19,333
SINGLE LEADER, BUT THEY WERE

15225
08:05:19,333 --> 08:05:21,700
CONCERNED ENOUGH TO CRAFT THE

15226
08:05:21,700 --> 08:05:23,033
REMEDY.

15227
08:05:23,033 --> 08:05:23,433
IMPEACHMENT.

15228
08:05:23,433 --> 08:05:25,200
THE TIMES HAVE FOUND US.

15229
08:05:25,200 --> 08:05:28,233
I AM PRAYERFUL FOR OUR

15230
08:05:28,233 --> 08:05:29,866
PRESIDENT, FOR OUR COUNTRY, FOR

15231
08:05:29,866 --> 08:05:30,233
OURSELVES.

15232
08:05:30,233 --> 08:05:32,200
THAT WE THE PEOPLE ALWAYS HOLD

15233
08:05:32,200 --> 08:05:33,866
HIGH THE DECENCY AND PROMISE AND

15234
08:05:33,866 --> 08:05:36,000
AMBITION OF OUR FOUNDING AND OF

15235
08:05:36,000 --> 08:05:38,300
THE WORDS THAT MATTER AND OF THE

15236
08:05:38,300 --> 08:05:38,733
TRUTH.

15237
08:05:38,733 --> 08:05:39,966
WITH THAT I YIELD BACK,

15238
08:05:39,966 --> 08:05:40,400
MR. CHAIRMAN.

15239
08:05:40,400 --> 08:05:43,600
>> THE GENTLELADY YIELDS BACK.

15240
08:05:43,600 --> 08:05:44,000
MS. POWELL.

15241
08:05:44,000 --> 08:05:45,900
>> THANK YOU, AND THANK YOU

15242
08:05:45,900 --> 08:05:46,966
PROFESSORS FOR YOUR TIME TODAY

15243
08:05:46,966 --> 08:05:47,566
IT HAS BEEN A LONG DAY.

15244
08:05:47,566 --> 08:05:49,233
I WANT TO TELL YOU, I DID NOT

15245
08:05:49,233 --> 08:05:51,000
HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF BEING BORN

15246
08:05:51,000 --> 08:05:53,000
INTO THIS COUNTRY.

15247
08:05:53,000 --> 08:05:54,600
AS AN IMMIGRANT WHEN I BECAME A

15248
08:05:54,600 --> 08:05:56,266
CITIZEN TO THIS GREAT NATION, I

15249
08:05:56,266 --> 08:05:58,300
TOOK AN OATH TO PROTECT AND

15250
08:05:58,300 --> 08:06:00,333
DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION FROM ALL

15251
08:06:00,333 --> 08:06:01,900
FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC ENEMIES,

15252
08:06:01,900 --> 08:06:03,633
AND I HAD THE FORTUNE OF TAKING

15253
08:06:03,633 --> 08:06:06,266
THAT OATH ONCE AGAIN WHEN I

15254
08:06:06,266 --> 08:06:08,333
BECAME A MEMBER OF CONGRESS AND

15255
08:06:08,333 --> 08:06:09,766
THAT INCLUDES THE RESPONSIBILITY

15256
08:06:09,766 --> 08:06:12,466
TO PROTECT OUR NATION FROM

15257
08:06:12,466 --> 08:06:14,333
CONTINUING THREATS FROM A

15258
08:06:14,333 --> 08:06:15,866
PRESIDENT, ANY PRESIDENT.

15259
08:06:15,866 --> 08:06:17,400
YOU TESTIFIED THAT THE

15260
08:06:17,400 --> 08:06:19,166
PRESIDENT'S ACTIONS ARE A

15261
08:06:19,166 --> 08:06:21,600
CONTINUING RISK TO OUR NATION

15262
08:06:21,600 --> 08:06:22,100
AND DEMOCRACY.

15263
08:06:22,100 --> 08:06:23,466
MEANING THAT THIS IS NOT A

15264
08:06:23,466 --> 08:06:24,866
ONE-TIME PROBLEM.

15265
08:06:24,866 --> 08:06:26,266
THERE IS A PATTERN OF BEHAVIOR

15266
08:06:26,266 --> 08:06:29,400
BY THE REAL ESTATE THAT IS

15267
08:06:29,400 --> 08:06:31,266
PUTTING AT RISK FAIR AND FREE

15268
08:06:31,266 --> 08:06:32,466
ELECTIONS AND I THINK THAT WE

15269
08:06:32,466 --> 08:06:34,933
ARE HERE TODAY BECAUSE THE

15270
08:06:34,933 --> 08:06:36,300
AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE TO KNOW

15271
08:06:36,300 --> 08:06:38,300
WHETHER WE NEED TO REMOVE THE

15272
08:06:38,300 --> 08:06:39,400
PRESIDENT BECAUSE OF IT.

15273
08:06:39,400 --> 08:06:41,866
DURING THE NIXON IMPEACHMENT THE

15274
08:06:41,866 --> 08:06:43,400
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE SAID, QUOTE,

15275
08:06:43,400 --> 08:06:46,800
THE PURPOSE OF IMPEACHMENT IS

15276
08:06:46,800 --> 08:06:47,433
NOT PERSONAL PUNISHMENT.

15277
08:06:47,433 --> 08:06:51,466
ITITS FUNCTION IS PRIMARILY TO

15278
08:06:51,466 --> 08:06:53,600
MAINTAIN CONSTITUTIONAL

15279
08:06:53,600 --> 08:06:54,000
GOVERNMENT.

15280
08:06:54,000 --> 08:06:55,466
PROFESSOR KARLAN, TO ME THAT

15281
08:06:55,466 --> 08:06:58,200
MEANS THAT IMPEACHMENT SHOULD BE

15282
08:06:58,200 --> 08:07:01,000
USED WHEN WE MUST PROTECT OUR

15283
08:07:01,000 --> 08:07:01,566
AMERICAN DEMOCRACY.

15284
08:07:01,566 --> 08:07:05,700
IT IS RESERVED FOR OFFENSES THAT

15285
08:07:05,700 --> 08:07:08,066
PRESENT A CONTINUING RISK TO OUR

15286
08:07:08,066 --> 08:07:08,733
DEMOCRACY; IS THAT CORRECT?

15287
08:07:08,733 --> 08:07:09,933
>> YES IT IS.

15288
08:07:09,933 --> 08:07:11,166
THANK YOU AND I WANT TO SHOW YOU

15289
08:07:11,166 --> 08:07:13,466
AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE PRESIDENT

15290
08:07:13,466 --> 08:07:15,433
SAID JUST ONE WEEK AFTER THE

15291
08:07:15,433 --> 08:07:17,166
TRANSCRIPT OF THE JULY 25TH CALL

15292
08:07:17,166 --> 08:07:19,166
WAS RELEASED WHEN A REPORTER

15293
08:07:19,166 --> 08:07:20,566
ASKED THE PRESIDENT WHAT HE

15294
08:07:20,566 --> 08:07:21,866
WANTED FROM PRESIDENT AND HE LEN

15295
08:07:21,866 --> 08:07:24,366
SKI, AND HE RESPONDED WITH THIS.

15296
08:07:24,366 --> 08:07:25,633
>> FROM PRESIDENT ZELENSKY.

15297
08:07:25,633 --> 08:07:27,800
>> I WOULD THINK IF THEY WERE

15298
08:07:27,800 --> 08:07:30,733
HONEST ABOUT IT THEY WOULD START

15299
08:07:30,733 --> 08:07:33,566
A MAJOR INVESTIGATION INTO THE

15300
08:07:33,566 --> 08:07:34,200
BIDENS IT IS A VERY SIMPLE

15301
08:07:34,200 --> 08:07:35,466
ANSWER .. THEY SHOULD

15302
08:07:35,466 --> 08:07:37,200
INVESTIGATE THE BIDENS BECAUSE

15303
08:07:37,200 --> 08:07:39,233
HOW DOES A COMPANY THAT IS NEWLY

15304
08:07:39,233 --> 08:07:41,633
FORMED AND ALL OF THESE

15305
08:07:41,633 --> 08:07:44,033
COMPANIES, AND BY THE WAY,

15306
08:07:44,033 --> 08:07:47,033
LIKEWISE, CHINA SHOULD START AN

15307
08:07:47,033 --> 08:07:48,700
INVESTIGATION INTO THE BIDENS,

15308
08:07:48,700 --> 08:07:50,033
BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED TO CHINA

15309
08:07:50,033 --> 08:07:54,033
IS JUST ABOUT AS BAD AS WHAT

15310
08:07:54,033 --> 08:07:55,866
HAPPENED WITH UKRAINE.

15311
08:07:55,866 --> 08:07:59,600
>> SO WE HAVE HEARD TODAY

15312
08:07:59,600 --> 08:08:01,500
CONFLICTING DIALOGUE FROM BOTH

15313
08:08:01,500 --> 08:08:03,500
SIDES AND I JUST WANT TO ASK,

15314
08:08:03,500 --> 08:08:07,266
MR. FELDMAN, IS THIS CLEAR

15315
08:08:07,266 --> 08:08:09,433
EVIDENCE FROM A PRESIDENT ASKING

15316
08:08:09,433 --> 08:08:12,800
FROM -- FOR A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT

15317
08:08:12,800 --> 08:08:14,333
TO INTERFERE IN OUR ELECTIONS?

15318
08:08:14,333 --> 08:08:16,566
>> CONGRESSWOMAN, I AM HERE FOR

15319
08:08:16,566 --> 08:08:18,100
THE CONSTITUTION.

15320
08:08:18,100 --> 08:08:20,166
WE ARE HERE FOR THE

15321
08:08:20,166 --> 08:08:20,600
CONSTITUTION.

15322
08:08:20,600 --> 08:08:22,333
AND WHEN THE PRESIDENT OF THE

15323
08:08:22,333 --> 08:08:23,200
UNITED STATES ASKS FOR

15324
08:08:23,200 --> 08:08:25,133
ASSISTANCE FROM A FOREIGN POWER

15325
08:08:25,133 --> 08:08:28,866
TO DISTORT OUR ELECTIONS FOR HIS

15326
08:08:28,866 --> 08:08:31,233
PERSONAL ADVANTAGE THAT THAT

15327
08:08:31,233 --> 08:08:32,300
CONSTITUTES AN ABUSE OF OFFICE

15328
08:08:32,300 --> 08:08:33,966
AND COUNTS AS A HIGH CRIME AND

15329
08:08:33,966 --> 08:08:34,800
MISDEMEANOR AND THAT'S WHAT THE

15330
08:08:34,800 --> 08:08:36,166
CONSTITUTION IS HERE TO PROTECT

15331
08:08:36,166 --> 08:08:36,633
US AGAINST.

15332
08:08:36,633 --> 08:08:38,600
>> THANK YOU AND PROFESSOR

15333
08:08:38,600 --> 08:08:42,166
KARLAN, ARE THE PRESIDENT'S

15334
08:08:42,166 --> 08:08:43,466
ACTIONS A CONTINUING RISK THAT

15335
08:08:43,466 --> 08:08:45,800
THE FRAMERS INTENDED IMPEACHMENT

15336
08:08:45,800 --> 08:08:47,466
TO BE USED FOR?

15337
08:08:47,466 --> 08:08:48,066
>> YES.

15338
08:08:48,066 --> 08:08:49,633
THIS TAKES US BACK TO THE

15339
08:08:49,633 --> 08:08:51,433
QUOTATION FROM WILLIAM DAVY WE

15340
08:08:51,433 --> 08:08:54,400
ALL USED SEVERAL TIMES IN OUR

15341
08:08:54,400 --> 08:08:56,100
TESTIMONY WHICH IS A PRESIDENT

15342
08:08:56,100 --> 08:08:57,733
WITHOUT IMPEACHMENT, A PRESIDENT

15343
08:08:57,733 --> 08:08:59,900
WILL DO ANYTHING TO GET

15344
08:08:59,900 --> 08:09:00,333
REELECTED.

15345
08:09:00,333 --> 08:09:01,433
>> THANK YOU AND I WANT TO SHOW

15346
08:09:01,433 --> 08:09:02,800
YOU ONE MORE EXAMPLE FROM THE

15347
08:09:02,800 --> 08:09:05,066
PRESIDENT'S CHIEF OF STAFF WHEN

15348
08:09:05,066 --> 08:09:07,066
ASKED ABOUT THE PRESIDENT -- THE

15349
08:09:07,066 --> 08:09:08,433
EVENTS WITH THE UKRAINIAN

15350
08:09:08,433 --> 08:09:08,800
PRESIDENT.

15351
08:09:08,800 --> 08:09:10,466
>> CLEARLY DESCRIBED AS A QUID

15352
08:09:10,466 --> 08:09:10,966
PRO QUO.

15353
08:09:10,966 --> 08:09:14,066
IT IS FUNDING WILL NOT FLOW

15354
08:09:14,066 --> 08:09:17,000
UNLESS THE INVESTIGATION INTO

15355
08:09:17,000 --> 08:09:18,266
THE DEMOCRAT SERVER HAPPENED AS

15356
08:09:18,266 --> 08:09:18,566
WELL.

15357
08:09:18,566 --> 08:09:20,333
>> WE DO -- WE DO THAT ALL THE

15358
08:09:20,333 --> 08:09:23,400
TIME WITH FOREIGN POLICY.

15359
08:09:23,400 --> 08:09:24,233
MCKINNEY SAID YESTERDAY HE WAS

15360
08:09:24,233 --> 08:09:26,033
REALLY UPSET WITH THE POLITICAL

15361
08:09:26,033 --> 08:09:27,500
INFLUENCE IN FOREIGN POLICY.

15362
08:09:27,500 --> 08:09:28,533
THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS HE

15363
08:09:28,533 --> 08:09:30,266
WAS SO UPSET ABOUT THIS.

15364
08:09:30,266 --> 08:09:31,500
AND I HAVE NEWS FOR EVERYBODY,

15365
08:09:31,500 --> 08:09:32,466
GET OVER IT.

15366
08:09:32,466 --> 08:09:33,866
THERE IS GOING TO BE A POLITICAL

15367
08:09:33,866 --> 08:09:36,733
INFLUENCE IN FOREIGN POLICY.

15368
08:09:36,733 --> 08:09:42,433
>> PROFESSOR KARLAN, I THINK

15369
08:09:42,433 --> 08:09:44,333
THAT MR. MULVANEY IS CONFLATING

15370
08:09:44,333 --> 08:09:45,500
OR CONFUSING TWO DIFFERENT

15371
08:09:45,500 --> 08:09:47,200
NOTIONS OF POLITICS.

15372
08:09:47,200 --> 08:09:48,166
YES, THERE IS POLITICAL

15373
08:09:48,166 --> 08:09:50,300
INFLUENCE ON OUR FOREIGN AFFAIRS

15374
08:09:50,300 --> 08:09:51,466
BECAUSE PRESIDENT TRUMP WON THE

15375
08:09:51,466 --> 08:09:53,666
ELECTION IN 2016 WE HAVE EXITED

15376
08:09:53,666 --> 08:09:55,366
CLIMATE ACCORDS, WE HAVE TAKEN A

15377
08:09:55,366 --> 08:09:56,300
DIFFERENT POSITION ON NATO THAN

15378
08:09:56,300 --> 08:09:58,000
WE WOULD HAVE TAKEN HAD HIS

15379
08:09:58,000 --> 08:09:59,233
OPPONENT WON BUT THAT IS

15380
08:09:59,233 --> 08:10:01,700
DIFFERENT THAN SAYING THAT

15381
08:10:01,700 --> 08:10:03,466
PARTISAN POLITICS IN THE SENSE

15382
08:10:03,466 --> 08:10:05,366
OF ELECTORAL MANIPULATION IS

15383
08:10:05,366 --> 08:10:06,833
SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO GET

15384
08:10:06,833 --> 08:10:08,600
OVER OR GET USED TO.

15385
08:10:08,600 --> 08:10:10,700
IF WE GET OVER THAT OR WE GET

15386
08:10:10,700 --> 08:10:12,600
USED TO THAT, WE WILL CEASE TO

15387
08:10:12,600 --> 08:10:14,300
BECOME THE DEMOCRACY THAT WE ARE

15388
08:10:14,300 --> 08:10:14,966
RIGHT NOW.

15389
08:10:14,966 --> 08:10:16,533
>> THANK YOU AND I THINK THAT

15390
08:10:16,533 --> 08:10:19,700
THAT IS OUR GREATEST FEAR AND

15391
08:10:19,700 --> 08:10:20,033
THREAT.

15392
08:10:20,033 --> 08:10:21,966
AND I DON'T THINK THAT ANYONE IS

15393
08:10:21,966 --> 08:10:24,266
ABOVE THE LAW, THE CONSTITUTION

15394
08:10:24,266 --> 08:10:25,300
ESTABLISHES THAT.

15395
08:10:25,300 --> 08:10:27,366
THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOR CANNOT BE

15396
08:10:27,366 --> 08:10:28,666
TOLERATED FROM ANY PRESIDENT,

15397
08:10:28,666 --> 08:10:31,433
NOT NOW, NOT IN THE FUTURE AND I

15398
08:10:31,433 --> 08:10:32,966
YIELD BACK.

15399
08:10:32,966 --> 08:10:40,833
>> THE GENTLELADY YIELDS BACK --

15400
08:10:40,833 --> 08:10:42,866
I AM SORRY.

15401
08:10:42,866 --> 08:10:43,266
MS. ESCOBAR.

15402
08:10:43,266 --> 08:10:44,266
I HAD HER CHECKED OFF --

15403
08:10:44,266 --> 08:10:45,566
>> MS. ESCOBAR IS RECOGNIZED.

15404
08:10:45,566 --> 08:10:47,900
>> THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.

15405
08:10:47,900 --> 08:10:48,666
PROFESSORS THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR

15406
08:10:48,666 --> 08:10:50,700
YOUR TESTIMONY AND TIME TODAY.

15407
08:10:50,700 --> 08:10:52,733
MANY FACTS INCLUDING THE

15408
08:10:52,733 --> 08:10:53,700
PRESIDENT'S OWN WORDS IN THAT

15409
08:10:53,700 --> 08:10:55,300
FAMOUS PHONE CALL HAVE BEEN LAID

15410
08:10:55,300 --> 08:10:57,566
OUT BEFORE OUR VERY EYES AND

15411
08:10:57,566 --> 08:11:01,000
EARS FOR MONTHS, DESPITE THE

15412
08:11:01,000 --> 08:11:02,533
PRESIDENT'S REPEATED EFFORTS AT

15413
08:11:02,533 --> 08:11:04,200
A COVER UP BUT IT APPEARS SOME

15414
08:11:04,200 --> 08:11:05,733
HAVE CHOSEN TO IGNORE THOSE

15415
08:11:05,733 --> 08:11:06,033
FACTS.

15416
08:11:06,033 --> 08:11:07,400
WHAT WE HAVE SEEN TODAY FROM

15417
08:11:07,400 --> 08:11:09,366
THOSE WHO CHOOSE TO TURN A BLIND

15418
08:11:09,366 --> 08:11:11,466
EYE IS NOT A DEFENSE OF THE

15419
08:11:11,466 --> 08:11:13,100
PRESIDENT'S ACTIONS úECAUSE

15420
08:11:13,100 --> 08:11:15,966
FRANKLY THOSE OFFENSES ARE

15421
08:11:15,966 --> 08:11:16,400
INDEFENSIBLE.

15422
08:11:16,400 --> 08:11:18,366
INSTEAD WE SEE THEM ATTACK THE

15423
08:11:18,366 --> 08:11:20,233
PROCESS AND ATTEMPT TO IMPUGN

15424
08:11:20,233 --> 08:11:23,366
YOUR INTEGRITY, FOR THAT I AM

15425
08:11:23,366 --> 08:11:23,666
SORRY.

15426
08:11:23,666 --> 08:11:25,266
NOW TO MY QUESTIONS.

15427
08:11:25,266 --> 08:11:27,033
SOME HAVE OPINED INSTEAD OF

15428
08:11:27,033 --> 08:11:27,866
CONSIDERING IMPEACHMENT WE

15429
08:11:27,866 --> 08:11:29,366
SHOULD JUST LET THIS PASS AND

15430
08:11:29,366 --> 08:11:31,433
ALLOW THE PEOPLE TO DECIDE WHAT

15431
08:11:31,433 --> 08:11:35,133
TO DO NEXT OR WHAT TO DO ABOUT

15432
08:11:35,133 --> 08:11:36,700
THE PRESIDENT'S BEHAVIOR IN THE

15433
08:11:36,700 --> 08:11:37,166
NEXT ELECTION.

15434
08:11:37,166 --> 08:11:40,433
THE FRAMERS OF OUR CONSTITUTION

15435
08:11:40,433 --> 08:11:41,200
SPECIFICALLY CONSIDERED WHETHER

15436
08:11:41,200 --> 08:11:43,933
TO JUST USE ELECTIONS AND NOT

15437
08:11:43,933 --> 08:11:46,000
HAVE IMPEACHMENT AND REJECTED

15438
08:11:46,000 --> 08:11:47,166
THAT NOTION.

15439
08:11:47,166 --> 08:11:48,400
ONE STATEMENT FROM THE FRAMERS

15440
08:11:48,400 --> 08:11:50,266
REALLY STUCK WITH ME AND IT IS

15441
08:11:50,266 --> 08:11:52,166
UP ON THE SCREEN.

15442
08:11:52,166 --> 08:11:53,633
GEORGE MASON ASKED SHALL THE MAN

15443
08:11:53,633 --> 08:11:55,433
WHO HAS PRACTICED CORRUPTION AND

15444
08:11:55,433 --> 08:11:58,066
BY THAT MEANS PROCURED HIS

15445
08:11:58,066 --> 08:11:59,000
APPOINTMENT IN THE FIRST

15446
08:11:59,000 --> 08:12:01,166
INSTANCE BE SUFFERED TO ESCAPE

15447
08:12:01,166 --> 08:12:03,033
PUNISHMENT BY REPEATING HIS

15448
08:12:03,033 --> 08:12:03,433
GUILT?

15449
08:12:03,433 --> 08:12:05,900
PROFESSOR FELDMAN, I HAVE TWO

15450
08:12:05,900 --> 08:12:07,300
QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

15451
08:12:07,300 --> 08:12:08,566
BRIEFLY CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN

15452
08:12:08,566 --> 08:12:10,866
WHY THE FRAMERS DECIDED THAT A

15453
08:12:10,866 --> 08:12:12,966
CORRUPT EXECUTIVE COULD NOT BE

15454
08:12:12,966 --> 08:12:15,233
SOLVED THROUGH ELECTIONS AND CAN

15455
08:12:15,233 --> 08:12:17,400
YOU TELL US WHY IMPEACHMENT IS

15456
08:12:17,400 --> 08:12:19,466
THE APPROPRIATE OPTION AT THIS

15457
08:12:19,466 --> 08:12:20,233
POINT?

15458
08:12:20,233 --> 08:12:21,433
CONSIDERING ALL OF THE EVIDENCE

15459
08:12:21,433 --> 08:12:23,466
AMERICANS HAVE SEEN AND HEARD

15460
08:12:23,466 --> 08:12:24,900
RATHER THAN JUST LETTING THIS BE

15461
08:12:24,900 --> 08:12:27,166
DECIDED IN THE NEXT ELECTION?

15462
08:12:27,166 --> 08:12:28,966
>> THE FRAMERS UNDERSTOOD HUMAN

15463
08:12:28,966 --> 08:12:29,833
MOTIVATION EXTREMELY WELL, AND

15464
08:12:29,833 --> 08:12:31,200
THEY KNEW THAT A PRESIDENT WOULD

15465
08:12:31,200 --> 08:12:33,700
HAVE A GREAT MOTIVE TO CORRUPT

15466
08:12:33,700 --> 08:12:35,966
THE ELECTORAL PROCESS TO GET

15467
08:12:35,966 --> 08:12:37,066
REELECTED AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHY

15468
08:12:37,066 --> 08:12:39,000
THEY THOUGHT THAT IT WASN'T GOOD

15469
08:12:39,000 --> 08:12:40,766
ENOUGH TO WAIT FOR THE NEXT

15470
08:12:40,766 --> 08:12:41,900
ELECTION BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT

15471
08:12:41,900 --> 08:12:44,133
COULD CHEAT AND COULD MAKE THE

15472
08:12:44,133 --> 08:12:45,800
NEXT ELECTION ILLEGITIMATE,

15473
08:12:45,800 --> 08:12:46,800
THAT'S WHY THEY REQUIRED

15474
08:12:46,800 --> 08:12:49,666
IMPEACHMENT AND IF THEY COULDN'T

15475
08:12:49,666 --> 08:12:51,166
IMPEACH, IMPOO ETCH A CORRUPT

15476
08:12:51,166 --> 08:12:52,666
PRESIDENT JAMES MADISON SAID

15477
08:12:52,666 --> 08:12:54,833
THAT COULD BE FATAL TO THE

15478
08:12:54,833 --> 08:12:55,200
REPUBLIC.

15479
08:12:55,200 --> 08:12:56,266
>> THE REASON THAT IT IS

15480
08:12:56,266 --> 08:12:58,900
NECESSARY TO TAKE ACTION NOW ASK

15481
08:12:58,900 --> 08:13:01,133
THAT WE HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO HAS

15482
08:13:01,133 --> 08:13:03,466
IN FACT SOUGHT TO CORRUPT THE

15483
08:13:03,466 --> 08:13:05,000
ELECTORAL PROCESS FOR PERSONAL

15484
08:13:05,000 --> 08:13:05,833
ADVANTAGE.

15485
08:13:05,833 --> 08:13:07,133
UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES THE

15486
08:13:07,133 --> 08:13:08,700
FRAMERS REMEDY OF IMPEACHMENT IS

15487
08:13:08,700 --> 08:13:11,133
THE ONLY OPTION AVAILABLE.

15488
08:13:11,133 --> 08:13:12,966
>> THANK YOU.

15489
08:13:12,966 --> 08:13:14,000
I WANT TO PLAY TWO CLIPS, THE

15490
08:13:14,000 --> 08:13:16,066
FIRST TO PRESIDENT NIXON AND THE

15491
08:13:16,066 --> 08:13:18,033
SECOND OF PRESIDENT TRUMP.

15492
08:13:18,033 --> 08:13:19,466
>> WHEN THE PRESIDENT DOES IT

15493
08:13:19,466 --> 08:13:21,700
THAT MEAN IT IS NOT ILLEGAL.

15494
08:13:21,700 --> 08:13:25,200
>> THERE WE HAVE AN ARTICLE.

15495
08:13:25,200 --> 08:13:28,166
>> DO WHAT I WANT THIS

15496
08:13:28,166 --> 08:13:29,833
PRESIDENT, TWO PRESIDENTS OPENLY

15497
08:13:29,833 --> 08:13:32,300
STATING THAT THEY ARE ABOVE THE

15498
08:13:32,300 --> 08:13:33,000
LAW.

15499
08:13:33,000 --> 08:13:34,633
PROFESSOR KARLAN, WHAT HAPPENS

15500
08:13:34,633 --> 08:13:37,333
TO OUR REPUBLIC, TO OUR COUNTRY

15501
08:13:37,333 --> 08:13:39,733
IF WE DO NOTHING IN THE FACE OF

15502
08:13:39,733 --> 08:13:41,166
THE PRESIDENT WHO SEES HIMSELF

15503
08:13:41,166 --> 08:13:43,433
ABOVE THE LAW, WHO WILL ABUSE

15504
08:13:43,433 --> 08:13:46,066
HIS POWER, WHO WILL ASK FOREIGN

15505
08:13:46,066 --> 08:13:47,433
GOVERNMENTS TO MEDDLE IN OUR

15506
08:13:47,433 --> 08:13:49,366
ELECTIONS AND WHO WILL ATTACK

15507
08:13:49,366 --> 08:13:51,133
ANY WITNESS WHO STANDS UP TO

15508
08:13:51,133 --> 08:13:52,133
TELL THE TRUTH?

15509
08:13:52,133 --> 08:13:54,833
WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T FOLLOW

15510
08:13:54,833 --> 08:13:56,666
OUR CONSTITUTIONAL OBLIGATION OF

15511
08:13:56,666 --> 08:13:58,300
IMPEACHMENT TO REMOVE THAT

15512
08:13:58,300 --> 08:13:58,866
PRESIDENT FROM OFFICE?

15513
08:13:58,866 --> 08:14:02,333
>> WE WILL CEASE TO BE A

15514
08:14:02,333 --> 08:14:02,700
REPUBLIC.

15515
08:14:02,700 --> 08:14:03,900
>> THANK YOU.

15516
08:14:03,900 --> 08:14:05,966
I REPRESENT A COMMUNITY THAT A

15517
08:14:05,966 --> 08:14:08,566
LITTLE OVER A DECADE AGO WAS

15518
08:14:08,566 --> 08:14:11,466
MARRED BY CORRUPTION AT THE

15519
08:14:11,466 --> 08:14:13,866
LOCAL GOVERNMENT LEGAL THERE WAS

15520
08:14:13,866 --> 08:14:15,833
NO RETREAT INTO A PARTISAN

15521
08:14:15,833 --> 08:14:18,533
CORNER OR AN EFFORT BY ANYONE TO

15522
08:14:18,533 --> 08:14:19,533
EXPLAIN IT AWAY.

15523
08:14:19,533 --> 08:14:21,333
WE ALSO DIDN'T WAIT FOR AN

15524
08:14:21,333 --> 08:14:24,000
ELECTION TO CURE THE CANCER OF

15525
08:14:24,000 --> 08:14:26,300
CORRUPTION THAT OCCURRED ON OUR

15526
08:14:26,300 --> 08:14:26,600
WATCH.

15527
08:14:26,600 --> 08:14:28,966
WE WERE UNITED AS A COMMUNITY IN

15528
08:14:28,966 --> 08:14:30,600
OUR OUTRAGE OVER IT.

15529
08:14:30,600 --> 08:14:32,566
IT WAS INTOLERABLE TO US BECAUSE

15530
08:14:32,566 --> 08:14:35,466
WE KNEW THAT IT WAS A THREAT TO

15531
08:14:35,466 --> 08:14:37,733
OUR INSTITUTIONS, INSTITUTIONS

15532
08:14:37,733 --> 08:14:38,233
THAT BELONG TO US.

15533
08:14:38,233 --> 08:14:41,066
WHAT WE FACE TODAY IS THE SAME

15534
08:14:41,066 --> 08:14:43,433
KIND OF TEST, ONLY ONE FAR MORE

15535
08:14:43,433 --> 08:14:45,033
GRAVE AND HISTORIC.

15536
08:14:45,033 --> 08:14:47,433
FROM THE FOUNDING OF OUR COUNTRY

15537
08:14:47,433 --> 08:14:50,266
TO TODAY ONE TRUTH REMAINS

15538
08:14:50,266 --> 08:14:52,333
CLEAR, THE IMPEACHMENT POWER IS

15539
08:14:52,333 --> 08:14:54,666
RESERVED FOR CONDUCT THAT ENDANG

15540
08:14:54,666 --> 08:14:57,833
VS. DEMOCRACY AND IMPERIALS OUR

15541
08:14:57,833 --> 08:14:58,266
CONSTITUTION.

15542
08:14:58,266 --> 08:15:00,366
TODAY'S HEARING HAS HELPED US TO

15543
08:15:00,366 --> 08:15:02,566
BETTER UNDERSTAND HOW WE

15544
08:15:02,566 --> 08:15:04,000
PRESERVE PUBLIC AND THE TEST

15545
08:15:04,000 --> 08:15:05,700
THAT LIES AHEAD FOR US.

15546
08:15:05,700 --> 08:15:07,466
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, I YIELD

15547
08:15:07,466 --> 08:15:09,900
BACK MY TIME.

15548
08:15:09,900 --> 08:15:12,366
>> THE GENTLELADY YIELDS BACK.

15549
08:15:12,366 --> 08:15:14,433
THAT CONCLUDES THE TESTIMONY

15550
08:15:14,433 --> 08:15:16,733
UNDER THE FIVE MINUTE RULE.

15551
08:15:16,733 --> 08:15:19,500
I NOW RECOGNIZE THE RANKING

15552
08:15:19,500 --> 08:15:22,166
MEMBER FOR ANY CONCLUDING

15553
08:15:22,166 --> 08:15:22,700
REMARKS HE MAY HAVE.

15554
08:15:22,700 --> 08:15:25,233
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

15555
08:15:25,233 --> 08:15:26,566
WELL TODAY HAS BEEN INTERESTING,

15556
08:15:26,566 --> 08:15:30,733
I GUESS, TO SAY THE LEAST.

15557
08:15:30,733 --> 08:15:31,666
IT HAS BEEN -- WE HAVE FOUND

15558
08:15:31,666 --> 08:15:34,100
MANY THINGS, IN FACT, THREE OF

15559
08:15:34,100 --> 08:15:35,466
OUR FOUR WITNESSES HERE TODAY

15560
08:15:35,466 --> 08:15:37,200
ALLEGED NUMEROUS CRIMES

15561
08:15:37,200 --> 08:15:38,166
COMMITTED BY THE REAL ESTATE AND

15562
08:15:38,166 --> 08:15:40,266
AT TIMES IT SEEMS LIKE WE WERE

15563
08:15:40,266 --> 08:15:42,066
EVEN TRYING TO MAKE UP CRIMES,

15564
08:15:42,066 --> 08:15:43,866
WELL IF IT WASN'T THIS IT WAS

15565
08:15:43,866 --> 08:15:44,433
THE INTENT TO DO IT.

15566
08:15:44,433 --> 08:15:47,000
IT WENT ALONG THAT IT IS

15567
08:15:47,000 --> 08:15:47,733
INTERESTING TODAY AS I STARTED

15568
08:15:47,733 --> 08:15:49,466
THIS DAY AND COME BACK TO IT NOW

15569
08:15:49,466 --> 08:15:51,133
AS MUCH AS I RESPECT THESE WHO

15570
08:15:51,133 --> 08:15:53,233
CAME BEFORE US TODAY THIS IS WAY

15571
08:15:53,233 --> 08:15:53,966
TOO EARLY.

15572
08:15:53,966 --> 08:15:55,433
BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT AS A

15573
08:15:55,433 --> 08:15:57,933
COMMITTEE DONE OUR JOB.

15574
08:15:57,933 --> 08:16:00,433
WE HAVE NOT AS A COMMITTEE COME

15575
08:16:00,433 --> 08:16:02,600
TOGETHER LOOKED AT EVIDENCE,

15576
08:16:02,600 --> 08:16:04,266
TAKEN FACT WITNESSES, PUT THEM

15577
08:16:04,266 --> 08:16:06,233
IN FRONT OF US UNDER OATH TO SAY

15578
08:16:06,233 --> 08:16:07,366
WHAT HAPPENED AND HOW DID IT

15579
08:16:07,366 --> 08:16:08,600
HAPPEN AND WHY DID IT HAPPEN?

15580
08:16:08,600 --> 08:16:14,033
WE ARE TAKING THE WORK OF THE

15581
08:16:14,033 --> 08:16:15,866
INTEL COMMIT FEE AND THE OTHER

15582
08:16:15,866 --> 08:16:17,033
COMMITTEES, WE ARE TAKING IT AS

15583
08:16:17,033 --> 08:16:18,733
SEEM MY AT FACE VALUE AND I WILL

15584
08:16:18,733 --> 08:16:20,600
REMIND ALL THAT THE CHAIRMAN

15585
08:16:20,600 --> 08:16:22,500
EVEN IS THE BIGGEST PROPONENT OF

15586
08:16:22,500 --> 08:16:23,466
THIS NOT HAPPENING IN HIS

15587
08:16:23,466 --> 08:16:24,500
EARLIER STATEMENTS ALMOST 20

15588
08:16:24,500 --> 08:16:26,566
YEARS AGO WHEN HE SAID WE SHOULD

15589
08:16:26,566 --> 08:16:27,833
NOT TAKE A REPORT FROM ANOTHER

15590
08:16:27,833 --> 08:16:30,100
ENTITY AND JUST ACCEPT IT

15591
08:16:30,100 --> 08:16:35,300
OTHERWISE WE ARE A RUBBER STAMP.

15592
08:16:35,300 --> 08:16:36,966
NO TO MY DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY

15593
08:16:36,966 --> 08:16:38,100
THEY MAY NOT CARE AS I SAID

15594
08:16:38,100 --> 08:16:39,466
BEFORE THIS IS ABOUT A CLOCK AND

15595
08:16:39,466 --> 08:16:40,700
A CALENDAR.

15596
08:16:40,700 --> 08:16:43,666
THE CLOCK AND A CALENDAR, THEY

15597
08:16:43,666 --> 08:16:47,000
ARE SO OBSESSED WITH THE

15598
08:16:47,000 --> 08:16:48,533
ELECTION NEXT YEAR THAT THEY

15599
08:16:48,533 --> 08:16:50,300
JUST GLOSS OVER THINGS.

15600
08:16:50,300 --> 08:16:51,600
IN FACT, WHAT IS INTERESTING AS

15601
08:16:51,600 --> 08:16:53,000
I SAID EARLIER, THREE OF THE

15602
08:16:53,000 --> 08:16:55,233
FOUR WITNESSES ALLEGE NUMEROUS

15603
08:16:55,233 --> 08:16:55,833
CRIMES COMMITTED BY THE

15604
08:16:55,833 --> 08:16:57,800
PRESIDENT, HOWEVER DURING THE

15605
08:16:57,800 --> 08:16:59,066
INTEL COMMITTEE HEARINGS NONE OF

15606
08:16:59,066 --> 08:17:00,833
THE FACT WITNESSES IDENTIFIED A

15607
08:17:00,833 --> 08:17:02,000
CRIME.

15608
08:17:02,000 --> 08:17:03,133
IF YOU ARE WRITING ABOUT THIS,

15609
08:17:03,133 --> 08:17:05,500
THAT SHOULD ALARM YOU.

15610
08:17:05,500 --> 08:17:07,033
SO THIS IMPEACHMENT NARRATIVE

15611
08:17:07,033 --> 08:17:08,900
BEING SPUN BY THE MAJORITY IS A

15612
08:17:08,900 --> 08:17:10,533
FAKE ONE.

15613
08:17:10,533 --> 08:17:12,166
IT IS MAJORITY THREE PERCENT,

15614
08:17:12,166 --> 08:17:13,933
SPINNING THREE PERCENT OF THE

15615
08:17:13,933 --> 08:17:14,700
FACTS WHILE IGNORING 90 PERCENT

15616
08:17:14,700 --> 08:17:18,133
OF THE OTHER, IN FACT PROFESSOR

15617
08:17:18,133 --> 08:17:19,500
TURLEY SAID PREEVMENT NEEDS

15618
08:17:19,500 --> 08:17:20,600
PROOF NOT PRESUMPTION WE HAVE

15619
08:17:20,600 --> 08:17:22,500
ONE OF THE FACT WITNESSES IN THE

15620
08:17:22,500 --> 08:17:24,266
INTEL COMMITTEE, I PRESUME THAT

15621
08:17:24,266 --> 08:17:28,033
WAS WHAT WAS GOING ON.

15622
08:17:28,033 --> 08:17:28,633
MR. SONDLAND.

15623
08:17:28,633 --> 08:17:30,666
YOU KNOW, WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE

15624
08:17:30,666 --> 08:17:32,566
TODAY ALSO WE FOUND OUT TODAY

15625
08:17:32,566 --> 08:17:34,500
THIS IS INTERESTING THE

15626
08:17:34,500 --> 08:17:35,400
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE AND FOUND

15627
08:17:35,400 --> 08:17:37,400
OUT SOMETHING TODAY THAT FACTS

15628
08:17:37,400 --> 08:17:38,233
DON'T MATTER IN FACT, FACTS

15629
08:17:38,233 --> 08:17:39,200
DON'T MATTER ALSO THIS WE CAN

15630
08:17:39,200 --> 08:17:41,400
FIT THOSE FACTS TO FIT THE

15631
08:17:41,400 --> 08:17:42,800
NARRATIVE WE WANT TO SPIN BEFORE

15632
08:17:42,800 --> 08:17:45,566
THIS COMMITTEE AND THE AMERICAN

15633
08:17:45,566 --> 08:17:45,900
PEOPLE.

15634
08:17:45,900 --> 08:17:49,133
IF THEY DON'T MATTER, WE ALSO

15635
08:17:49,133 --> 08:17:51,033
HEARD ONE OF THE WITNESSES STATE

15636
08:17:51,033 --> 08:17:52,066
TODAY IT DOESN'T MATTER IF AID

15637
08:17:52,066 --> 08:17:54,366
WAS RELEASED OR NOT.

15638
08:17:54,366 --> 08:17:56,500
OF COURSE IT MATTERS.

15639
08:17:56,500 --> 08:17:57,233
BUT UNFORTUNATELY THE ONLY ONE

15640
08:17:57,233 --> 08:18:00,533
OF THE MANY FACTS IGNORED BY THE

15641
08:18:00,533 --> 08:18:00,900
MAJORITY.

15642
08:18:00,900 --> 08:18:01,933
THEY ARE IGNORING A TON OF FACTS

15643
08:18:01,933 --> 08:18:03,200
THAT MATTER, IT APPARENTLY

15644
08:18:03,200 --> 08:18:04,766
DOESN'T MATTER TO THE DEMOCRATS

15645
08:18:04,766 --> 08:18:06,733
THAT AMBASSADOR VOLKER MADE

15646
08:18:06,733 --> 08:18:09,533
CLEAR IN HIS TESTIMONY THERE WAS

15647
08:18:09,533 --> 08:18:10,633
NO CONDITIONALITY ON THE WHITE

15648
08:18:10,633 --> 08:18:12,166
HOUSE MEETING OR THE AID.

15649
08:18:12,166 --> 08:18:13,700
THE DEMOCRATS AND THEIR

15650
08:18:13,700 --> 08:18:14,600
WITNESSES HAVEN'T MENTIONED THAT

15651
08:18:14,600 --> 08:18:18,133
BECAUSE IT IS UNHELPFUL TO THE

15652
08:18:18,133 --> 08:18:18,800
NARRATIVE THEY ARE SPINNING.

15653
08:18:18,800 --> 08:18:21,566
IT APPARENTLY DOESN'T MATTER TO

15654
08:18:21,566 --> 08:18:22,866
DEMOCRATS, TO THE DEMOCRATS AND

15655
08:18:22,866 --> 08:18:24,200
THE MAJORITY HERE THAT THE

15656
08:18:24,200 --> 08:18:25,233
PRESIDENT DID NOT CONDITION HIS

15657
08:18:25,233 --> 08:18:28,566
AID ON AN INVESTIGATION IN FACT,

15658
08:18:28,566 --> 08:18:29,633
MR. SONDLAND'S STATEMENT TO THE

15659
08:18:29,633 --> 08:18:31,300
CONTRARY WAS PRESUMPTION, IT WAS

15660
08:18:31,300 --> 08:18:33,333
RIGHT HERE IN THIS ROOM HE

15661
08:18:33,333 --> 08:18:35,466
CALLED IT A GUESS, RIGHT WHERE

15662
08:18:35,466 --> 08:18:36,833
YOU ARE SITTING.

15663
08:18:36,833 --> 08:18:38,566
HE CALLED IT A GUESS.

15664
08:18:38,566 --> 08:18:41,133
A PRESUMPTION, THAT'S WHAT HE

15665
08:18:41,133 --> 08:18:41,833
THOUGHT.

15666
08:18:41,833 --> 08:18:43,466
GOD FORBID IF WE WALK INTO OUR

15667
08:18:43,466 --> 08:18:45,200
COURTROOMS OR OUR PROCEEDINGS TO

15668
08:18:45,200 --> 08:18:46,366
FIND SOMEBODY GUILTY OF

15669
08:18:46,366 --> 08:18:47,100
SOMETHING WE ARE CALLING A CRIME

15670
08:18:47,100 --> 08:18:48,300
AND WALK INTO COURT AND ALL OF A

15671
08:18:48,300 --> 08:18:49,733
SUDDEN WELL I THOUGHT IT WAS,

15672
08:18:49,733 --> 08:18:51,333
THE WITNESS SAID I PRESUMED IT

15673
08:18:51,333 --> 08:18:54,266
WAS, GOD FORBID THIS IS WHERE WE

15674
08:18:54,266 --> 08:18:55,100
ARE AT.

15675
08:18:55,100 --> 08:18:57,066
BUT YOU KNOW WE ALSO HEARD TODAY

15676
08:18:57,066 --> 08:18:58,233
THAT YOU MAKE INFERENCE, THOUGH,

15677
08:18:58,233 --> 08:19:01,400
IT IS OKAY IF YOU ARE JUST

15678
08:19:01,400 --> 08:19:01,766
INFERRING.

15679
08:19:01,766 --> 08:19:02,600
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE

15680
08:19:02,600 --> 08:19:04,933
PROFESSORS HERE FOR OF THOSE OFS

15681
08:19:04,933 --> 08:19:06,733
ON COURT ON BOTH SIDES OF A

15682
08:19:06,733 --> 08:19:08,133
AISLE, I SAID JUST INFER WHAT

15683
08:19:08,133 --> 08:19:09,233
YOU THINK THEY MEANT AND THAT

15684
08:19:09,233 --> 08:19:10,533
WILL BE ENOUGH.

15685
08:19:10,533 --> 08:19:12,866
IT IS NOT INFERENCE.

15686
08:19:12,866 --> 08:19:14,300
YOU KNOW, PROBABLY DOESN'T

15687
08:19:14,300 --> 08:19:15,066
MATTER, THE PRESIDENT DIDN'T

15688
08:19:15,066 --> 08:19:16,733
CONDITION A MEETING ON AN

15689
08:19:16,733 --> 08:19:17,166
INVESTIGATION.

15690
08:19:17,166 --> 08:19:19,500
HE NET WITH ZELENSKY WITH NO

15691
08:19:19,500 --> 08:19:21,166
PRECONDITIONS, ZELENSKY DIDN'T

15692
08:19:21,166 --> 08:19:22,633
FIND OUT ABOUT THE HOLD OF AID

15693
08:19:22,633 --> 08:19:23,866
UNTIL A MONTH AFTER THE CALL

15694
08:19:23,866 --> 08:19:26,033
WHEN HE READ IT IN POLITICO, THE

15695
08:19:26,033 --> 08:19:28,133
AID WAS RELEASED SHORTLY

15696
08:19:28,133 --> 08:19:29,500
THEREAFTER AND UKRAINE DIDN'T DO

15697
08:19:29,500 --> 08:19:31,933
ANYTHING TO GET THE AID

15698
08:19:31,933 --> 08:19:32,333
RELEASED.

15699
08:19:32,333 --> 08:19:34,033
LETHAL AID WAS GIVEN AS WELL, IF

15700
08:19:34,033 --> 08:19:35,500
YOU THINK THAT DIDN'T MATTER,

15701
08:19:35,500 --> 08:19:36,600
THERE WAS FIVE MEETING BETWEEN

15702
08:19:36,600 --> 08:19:38,266
THE AID WAS STOPPED AND RELEASED

15703
08:19:38,266 --> 08:19:39,966
AND IN NONE OF THOSE MEETINGS

15704
08:19:39,966 --> 08:19:42,200
BETWEEN BASS DORS AND OTHERS,

15705
08:19:42,200 --> 08:19:43,333
INCLUDING THE VICE PRESIDENT AND

15706
08:19:43,333 --> 08:19:45,433
SENATORS, NONE OF THAT WAS EVER

15707
08:19:45,433 --> 08:19:48,133
CONNECTED TO A PROMISE OF

15708
08:19:48,133 --> 08:19:49,633
ANYTHING ON THE AID, NOTHING WAS

15709
08:19:49,633 --> 08:19:50,666
EVER CONNECTED, FIVE TIMES, AND

15710
08:19:50,666 --> 08:19:53,166
TWO OF THOSE WERE AFTER

15711
08:19:53,166 --> 08:19:54,166
PRESIDENT ZELENSKY LEARNED THAT

15712
08:19:54,166 --> 08:19:55,833
AID WAS BEING HELD.

15713
08:19:55,833 --> 08:19:57,366
TELL ME THERE IS NOT A PROBLEM

15714
08:19:57,366 --> 08:19:58,066
HERE WITH THE STORY.

15715
08:19:58,066 --> 08:20:00,966
THAT'S WHY FACT WITNESSES AREN'T

15716
08:20:00,966 --> 08:20:01,466
HERE RIGHT NOW.

15717
08:20:01,466 --> 08:20:02,566
THE EVIDENCE AGAINST THE

15718
08:20:02,566 --> 08:20:04,666
PRESIDENT IS REALLY ABOUT POLICY

15719
08:20:04,666 --> 08:20:05,466
DIFFERENCES, IN FACT, THREE OF

15720
08:20:05,466 --> 08:20:07,100
THE DEMOCRATIC STAR WITNESSES,

15721
08:20:07,100 --> 08:20:09,033
HILL, TAYLOR AND KENT WERE,

15722
08:20:09,033 --> 08:20:10,566
WEREN'T EVEN ON THE THE CALL

15723
08:20:10,566 --> 08:20:11,466
THEY READ TRANSCRIPTS LIKE

15724
08:20:11,466 --> 08:20:13,233
EVERYBODY ELSE.

15725
08:20:13,233 --> 08:20:16,033
ZELENSKY MET WITH VOLKER AND --

15726
08:20:16,033 --> 08:20:17,633
SON LAN MET SEVERAL MORE TIMES,

15727
08:20:17,633 --> 08:20:19,433
NO REFERENCES BUT NONE OF THOSE

15728
08:20:19,433 --> 08:20:21,933
-- NONE OF THESE INCONVENIENT

15729
08:20:21,933 --> 08:20:23,433
FACTS OR SO MANY OTHER

15730
08:20:23,433 --> 08:20:25,633
INCONVENIENT FACTS MATTER TO THE

15731
08:20:25,633 --> 08:20:26,000
MAJORITY.

15732
08:20:26,000 --> 08:20:27,433
WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IF

15733
08:20:27,433 --> 08:20:28,700
ADDITIONAL HEARINGS WE WILL HAVE

15734
08:20:28,700 --> 08:20:29,966
TO ADDRESS OTHER FACTS.

15735
08:20:29,966 --> 08:20:33,600
THIS IS THE PART THAT BOTHERS ME

15736
08:20:33,600 --> 08:20:33,933
GREATLY.

15737
08:20:33,933 --> 08:20:35,433
IT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE SEEN

15738
08:20:35,433 --> 08:20:38,066
FROM JANUARY OF THIS REAR.

15739
08:20:38,066 --> 08:20:40,266
NO CONCERN ABOUT A PROCESS THAT

15740
08:20:40,266 --> 08:20:43,433
WORKS BUT SIMPLY GETTING TO AN

15741
08:20:43,433 --> 08:20:44,066
END WE WANT.

15742
08:20:44,066 --> 08:20:46,200
YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH PROFESSOR

15743
08:20:46,200 --> 08:20:46,833
FELDMAN, HE MAY FIND THAT

15744
08:20:46,833 --> 08:20:48,766
STRANGE BUT I DO AGREE WITH YOU

15745
08:20:48,766 --> 08:20:49,300
ON SOMETHING.

15746
08:20:49,300 --> 08:20:50,866
IT IS NOT HIS JOB TO ASSESS THE

15747
08:20:50,866 --> 08:20:52,266
CREDIBILITY OF THE WITNESSES, IT

15748
08:20:52,266 --> 08:20:55,366
IS THIS COMMITTEE'S JOB AND I

15749
08:20:55,366 --> 08:20:55,666
AGREE.

15750
08:20:55,666 --> 08:20:57,066
BUT THIS COMMITTEE CAN'T DO OUR

15751
08:20:57,066 --> 08:20:58,166
JOBS IF NONE OF THE WITNESSES

15752
08:20:58,166 --> 08:20:59,566
TESTIFY BEFORE OUR COMMITTEE

15753
08:20:59,566 --> 08:21:01,200
EVEN ONES WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT

15754
08:21:01,200 --> 08:21:02,200
CALLING TODAY AND THE MAJORITY

15755
08:21:02,200 --> 08:21:05,500
HAVE SAID WE DON'T WANT.

15756
08:21:05,500 --> 08:21:07,466
THROUGH THAT WE STILL DON'T HAVE

15757
08:21:07,466 --> 08:21:09,400
AN ANSWER ON WHAT THE COMMITTEE

15758
08:21:09,400 --> 08:21:10,433
WILL DO ONCE THIS END.

15759
08:21:10,433 --> 08:21:11,866
THE COMMITTEE RECEIVED CHAIRMAN

15760
08:21:11,866 --> 08:21:12,766
SCHIFF'S REPORT YESTERDAY BUT WE

15761
08:21:12,766 --> 08:21:15,466
STILL DON'T HAVE THE UNDERLYING

15762
08:21:15,466 --> 08:21:15,833
EVIDENCE.

15763
08:21:15,833 --> 08:21:17,400
THE RULES EVEN SET UP BY THIS

15764
08:21:17,400 --> 08:21:19,500
BODY ARE NOT BEING FOLLOWED TO O

15765
08:21:19,500 --> 08:21:20,933
THIS DAY BUT YET NOBODY TALKS

15766
08:21:20,933 --> 08:21:23,200
ABOUT IT ON THE MAJORITY SIDE.

15767
08:21:23,200 --> 08:21:24,566
THE WITNESSES PRODUCED BY

15768
08:21:24,566 --> 08:21:25,766
CHAIRMAN SCHIFF AND THE AMERICAN

15769
08:21:25,766 --> 08:21:27,100
PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THEIR A

15770
08:21:27,100 --> 08:21:28,666
FEELINGS, THEIR GUESSES THEIR

15771
08:21:28,666 --> 08:21:30,300
PRESUMPTIONS BUT EVEN THOUGH THE

15772
08:21:30,300 --> 08:21:32,466
FACTS MAY NOT MATTER TO THE

15773
08:21:32,466 --> 08:21:33,400
MAJORITY, 97 PERCENT OF THE

15774
08:21:33,400 --> 08:21:35,433
OTHER FACTS DO MATTER TO THE

15775
08:21:35,433 --> 08:21:36,233
AMERICAN PEOPLE.

15776
08:21:36,233 --> 08:21:39,133
SO MY PROBLEM IS THIS.

15777
08:21:39,133 --> 08:21:42,833
AS THE RANKING MEMBER OF THIS

15778
08:21:42,833 --> 08:21:44,000
COMMITTEE, ONE OF THE OLDEST

15779
08:21:44,000 --> 08:21:46,033
MOST SHOULD BE FACT BASED LEGAL

15780
08:21:46,033 --> 08:21:47,866
BASED COMMITTEES WE HAVE HERE,

15781
08:21:47,866 --> 08:21:48,633
WHERE IMPEACHMENT SHOULD HAVE

15782
08:21:48,633 --> 08:21:49,866
BEEN ALL ALONG, I HAVE A GROUP

15783
08:21:49,866 --> 08:21:51,700
OF MEMBERS WHO HAVE NO IDEA

15784
08:21:51,700 --> 08:21:53,366
WHERE WE ARE HEADED NEXT I BET

15785
08:21:53,366 --> 08:21:55,266
YOU THOUGH IF I ASKED THE

15786
08:21:55,266 --> 08:21:56,466
MAJORITY MEMBERS OUTSIDE OF THE

15787
08:21:56,466 --> 08:21:59,433
CHAIRMAN THEY DON'T HAVE A CLUE

15788
08:21:59,433 --> 08:21:59,766
EITHER.

15789
08:21:59,766 --> 08:22:00,300
VERY MUCH ONE.

15790
08:22:00,300 --> 08:22:02,233
SO IF THEY HAVE IT THEY SHOULD

15791
08:22:02,233 --> 08:22:03,200
SHARE IT BECAUSE THERE IS NOT A

15792
08:22:03,200 --> 08:22:05,033
TIME TO PLAY HIDE THE BALL.

15793
08:22:05,033 --> 08:22:06,533
THIS IS NOT A TIME TO SAY, WE

15794
08:22:06,533 --> 08:22:08,233
ARE GOING FIGURE IT OUT ON THE

15795
08:22:08,233 --> 08:22:08,500
FLY.

15796
08:22:08,500 --> 08:22:11,000
YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT

15797
08:22:11,000 --> 08:22:11,733
OVERTURNING 63 MILLION VOTES OF

15798
08:22:11,733 --> 08:22:13,066
A PRESIDENT DULY ELECTED WHO IS

15799
08:22:13,066 --> 08:22:16,266
DOING HIS JOB EVERY DAY.

15800
08:22:16,266 --> 08:22:17,500
AND BY THE WAY WAS OVERSEAS

15801
08:22:17,500 --> 08:22:19,466
TODAY WHILE WE ARE DOING THIS.

15802
08:22:19,466 --> 08:22:22,333
WORKING WITH OUR NATO ALLIES.

15803
08:22:22,333 --> 08:22:23,866
SO THE QUESTION I HAVE IS WHERE

15804
08:22:23,866 --> 08:22:24,800
DO WE HEAD NEXT?

15805
08:22:24,800 --> 08:22:27,433
WE HEARD THIS AMBIGUOUS

15806
08:22:27,433 --> 08:22:28,500
PRESENTATION BUT HERE IS MY

15807
08:22:28,500 --> 08:22:29,366
CHALLENGE, I ALREADY HAVE BEEN

15808
08:22:29,366 --> 08:22:34,500
VOTED DOWN IN TABLE TODAY.

15809
08:22:34,500 --> 08:22:36,466
MR. SCHIFF SHOULD TESTIFY.

15810
08:22:36,466 --> 08:22:37,800
CHAIRMAN SCHIFF NOT HIS STAFF

15811
08:22:37,800 --> 08:22:38,533
MUST APPEAR BEFORE THIS

15812
08:22:38,533 --> 08:22:39,700
COMMITTEE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS

15813
08:22:39,700 --> 08:22:41,833
ABOUT THE CONTEXT OF HIS REPORT,

15814
08:22:41,833 --> 08:22:43,100
THAT IS WHAT KEN STARR DID 20

15815
08:22:43,100 --> 08:22:44,800
YEARS AGO AN HISTORY DEMANDED

15816
08:22:44,800 --> 08:22:45,133
IT.

15817
08:22:45,133 --> 08:22:46,433
I TOLD THE CHAIRMAN JUST A WHILE

15818
08:22:46,433 --> 08:22:48,366
AGO AND A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO

15819
08:22:48,366 --> 08:22:49,533
WHEN DOING A MARKUP,

15820
08:22:49,533 --> 08:22:50,533
MR. CHAIRMAN THE HISTORY LIGHTS

15821
08:22:50,533 --> 08:22:52,766
ARE ON US, US, IT IS TIME WE

15822
08:22:52,766 --> 08:22:54,366
TALK AND SHARE HOW WE ARE GOING

15823
08:22:54,366 --> 08:22:54,733
FORWARD.

15824
08:22:54,733 --> 08:22:56,233
I AM STILL WAITING FOR THEIR

15825
08:22:56,233 --> 08:22:56,566
ANSWERS.

15826
08:22:56,566 --> 08:22:59,433
SO MR. CHAIRMAN, AS WE LOOK

15827
08:22:59,433 --> 08:23:02,433
AHEAD, AS THE DEMOCRATIC

15828
08:23:02,433 --> 08:23:03,333
MAJORITY PROMISED THAT IN WAS

15829
08:23:03,333 --> 08:23:05,133
GOING TO BE A FAIR PROCESS WHEN

15830
08:23:05,133 --> 08:23:07,466
IT GOT TO JUDICIARY FOR THE

15831
08:23:07,466 --> 08:23:09,033
PRESIDENT AND OTHERS, THE

15832
08:23:09,033 --> 08:23:10,133
PRESIDENT AM YOU MAY SAY HE

15833
08:23:10,133 --> 08:23:11,566
COULD HAVE COME TODAY, WHAT

15834
08:23:11,566 --> 08:23:13,733
WOULD THIS HAVE DONE?

15835
08:23:13,733 --> 08:23:14,066
NOTHING.

15836
08:23:14,066 --> 08:23:15,433
THERE IS NO FACT WITNESSES HERE,

15837
08:23:15,433 --> 08:23:16,233
NOTHING TO REBUT IN FACT IT HAS

15838
08:23:16,233 --> 08:23:17,633
BEEN A GOOD TIME JUST TO SEE

15839
08:23:17,633 --> 08:23:18,633
THAT REALLY NOTHING CAME OF IT

15840
08:23:18,633 --> 08:23:20,933
AT THE END OF THE DAY.

15841
08:23:20,933 --> 08:23:22,633
SO WHY SHOULD HE BE HERE?

15842
08:23:22,633 --> 08:23:23,700
LET'S BRING FACT WITNESSES IN.

15843
08:23:23,700 --> 08:23:25,000
LET'S BRING PEOPLE IN BECAUSE AS

15844
08:23:25,000 --> 08:23:27,566
YOU SAID, MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU

15845
08:23:27,566 --> 08:23:29,600
SAID, YOUR WORDS, WE SHOULD

15846
08:23:29,600 --> 08:23:31,966
NEVER ON THIS COMMITTEE ACCEPT

15847
08:23:31,966 --> 08:23:33,833
AN ENTITY GIVING US A REPORT AND

15848
08:23:33,833 --> 08:23:35,433
NOT INVESTIGATING IT OURSELVES,

15849
08:23:35,433 --> 08:23:36,300
UNDOUBT THINK WE ARE WELL ON OUR

15850
08:23:36,300 --> 08:23:38,533
WAY OF DOING THAT BECAUSE OF A

15851
08:23:38,533 --> 08:23:40,233
CALENDAR AND A CLOCK.

15852
08:23:40,233 --> 08:23:41,433
SO MR. CHAIRMAN I KNOW YOU ARE

15853
08:23:41,433 --> 08:23:42,233
ABOUT TO GIVE A STATEMENT AND

15854
08:23:42,233 --> 08:23:43,233
THEY WORKED ON IT AND YOU WORKED

15855
08:23:43,233 --> 08:23:45,233
ON IT VERY HARD I AM SURE BUT I

15856
08:23:45,233 --> 08:23:46,566
WANT TO, BEFORE YOU BAFFLE THIS

15857
08:23:46,566 --> 08:23:47,666
HEARING, BEFORE YOU START YOUR

15858
08:23:47,666 --> 08:23:49,666
STATEMENT, BEFORE YOU GO ANY

15859
08:23:49,666 --> 08:23:50,433
FURTHER, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW

15860
08:23:50,433 --> 08:23:52,433
TWO THINGS, NUMBER ONE, WHEN DO

15861
08:23:52,433 --> 08:23:54,733
YOU PLAN ON SCHEDULING OUR

15862
08:23:54,733 --> 08:23:57,033
MINORITY HEARING DAY AND NUMBER

15863
08:23:57,033 --> 08:23:59,766
2, WHY ARE WE -- WHEN ARE WE

15864
08:23:59,766 --> 08:24:01,166
ACTUALLY GOING TO HAVE REAL

15865
08:24:01,166 --> 08:24:03,433
WITNESSES HERE THAT ARE FACT

15866
08:24:03,433 --> 08:24:05,966
WITNESSES IN THIS CASE?

15867
08:24:05,966 --> 08:24:06,866
WHEN?

15868
08:24:06,866 --> 08:24:10,900
OR WHAT YOU SAID MANY YEARS AGO

15869
08:24:10,900 --> 08:24:14,166
HAS FADED JUST LIKE THE LEAVES

15870
08:24:14,166 --> 08:24:16,533
IN FALL, I DON'T REALLY CARE

15871
08:24:16,533 --> 08:24:17,966
ANYMORE THAT SOMEBODY ELSE GIVES

15872
08:24:17,966 --> 08:24:19,233
US A REPORT, UNDOUBTEDLY

15873
08:24:19,233 --> 08:24:20,833
CHAIRMAN SCHIFF IS CHAIRMAN OVER

15874
08:24:20,833 --> 08:24:22,300
EVERYTHING WITH IMPEACHMENT, AND

15875
08:24:22,300 --> 08:24:24,400
HE DOESN'T GET TO TESTIFY. HE

15876
08:24:24,400 --> 08:24:26,933
IS GOING TO SEND A STAFF MEMBER.

15877
08:24:26,933 --> 08:24:27,900
BUT I NEED THOUGH IF WE ARE

15878
08:24:27,900 --> 08:24:29,233
GOING TO HAVE A HEARING PAST

15879
08:24:29,233 --> 08:24:30,333
THAT TO FIGURE OUT ANYTHING THAT

15880
08:24:30,333 --> 08:24:32,400
HAS BEEN GOING ON.

15881
08:24:32,400 --> 08:24:35,466
SO MY QUESTION THAT I STARTED

15882
08:24:35,466 --> 08:24:37,433
OUT TODAY IS WHERE IS FAIRNESS?

15883
08:24:37,433 --> 08:24:40,266
IT WAS PROMISED, IT IS NOT BEING

15884
08:24:40,266 --> 08:24:40,633
DELIVERED.

15885
08:24:40,633 --> 08:24:43,233
THE FACTS TAWT TALKED ABOUT ARE

15886
08:24:43,233 --> 08:24:44,533
NOT FACTS DELIVERED.

15887
08:24:44,533 --> 08:24:47,433
THIS PRESIDENT, DID NOTHING

15888
08:24:47,433 --> 08:24:49,733
WRONG, NOTHING TO BE IMMELMAN

15889
08:24:49,733 --> 08:24:50,500
IMPEACH AND NOTHING FOR WHY WE

15890
08:24:50,500 --> 08:24:51,933
ARE HERE AND IN THE WORDS OF ONE

15891
08:24:51,933 --> 08:24:54,833
OF OUR WITNESS MRS. TURLEY, IF

15892
08:24:54,833 --> 08:24:56,266
YOU RUSH THROUGH THIS, YOU DO IT

15893
08:24:56,266 --> 08:24:57,566
ON FLIMSY GROUNDS, THE AMERICAN

15894
08:24:57,566 --> 08:24:58,866
PEOPLE WILL NOT FORGET THE LIGHT

15895
08:24:58,866 --> 08:24:59,433
OF HISTORY.

15896
08:24:59,433 --> 08:25:01,733
SO TODAY, BEFORE YOU GIVE YOUR

15897
08:25:01,733 --> 08:25:04,800
OPENING STATEMENT, YOUR CLOSING

15898
08:25:04,800 --> 08:25:06,233
STATEMENT, BEFORE YOU GIVE THIS

15899
08:25:06,233 --> 08:25:07,200
TIME MY QUESTION IS, WILL YOU

15900
08:25:07,200 --> 08:25:08,566
TALK TO THIS COMMITTEE A?

15901
08:25:08,566 --> 08:25:11,266
YOU ARE CHAIRMAN, YOU HOLD A

15902
08:25:11,266 --> 08:25:12,600
VERY PRESTIGIOUS ROLE, WILL YOU

15903
08:25:12,600 --> 08:25:14,333
LET US KNOW WHERE WE ARE GOING?

15904
08:25:14,333 --> 08:25:16,366
ARE WE GOING TO ADJOURN FROM

15905
08:25:16,366 --> 08:25:17,800
HEREAFTER YOU SUM UP EVERYTHING

15906
08:25:17,800 --> 08:25:19,466
SAYING THEY ALL DID GOOD AND GO

15907
08:25:19,466 --> 08:25:22,133
OUT FROM HERE, WE ARE STILL

15908
08:25:22,133 --> 08:25:22,500
WONDERING.

15909
08:25:22,500 --> 08:25:23,466
THE LIGHTS ARE ON.

15910
08:25:23,466 --> 08:25:26,366
IT IS TIME TO ANSWER THE

15911
08:25:26,366 --> 08:25:26,733
QUESTION.

15912
08:25:26,733 --> 08:25:27,166
I YIELD BACK.

15913
08:25:27,166 --> 08:25:30,166
>> THE GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK.

15914
08:25:30,166 --> 08:25:33,066
I WANT TO, BEFORE MY CLOSING

15915
08:25:33,066 --> 08:25:34,833
STATEMENT, ACKNOWLEDGE I

15916
08:25:34,833 --> 08:25:35,700
RECEIVED A LETTER TODAY

15917
08:25:35,700 --> 08:25:37,633
REQUESTING A MINORITY DAY OF

15918
08:25:37,633 --> 08:25:38,733
TESTIMONY UNDER RULE 11.

15919
08:25:38,733 --> 08:25:40,566
I HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO READ

15920
08:25:40,566 --> 08:25:42,566
THE LETTER, I LOOK FORWARD TO

15921
08:25:42,566 --> 08:25:43,233
CONFERRING WITH THE RANKING

15922
08:25:43,233 --> 08:25:44,566
MEMBER ABOUT THIS REQUEST AFTER

15923
08:25:44,566 --> 08:25:46,700
I HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW

15924
08:25:46,700 --> 08:25:46,966
IT.

15925
08:25:46,966 --> 08:25:47,733
MR. CHAIRMAN I HAVE A QUESTION

15926
08:25:47,733 --> 08:25:49,033
-- YOU CAN'T REVIEW A LETTER, IT

15927
08:25:49,033 --> 08:25:50,366
IS A DEMAND THAT WE HAVE.

15928
08:25:50,366 --> 08:25:52,466
>> THE GENTLEMAN IS NOT

15929
08:25:52,466 --> 08:25:52,866
RECOGNIZED.

15930
08:25:52,866 --> 08:25:55,433
THERE IS NOTHING FOR YOU TO

15931
08:25:55,433 --> 08:25:55,800
REVIEW.

15932
08:25:55,800 --> 08:25:58,866
AND I NOW RECOGNIZE MYSELF FOR

15933
08:25:58,866 --> 08:25:59,900
CLOSING STATEMENT.

15934
08:25:59,900 --> 08:26:01,800
GEORGE WASHINGTON'S FAREWELL

15935
08:26:01,800 --> 08:26:03,966
ADDRESS WARNS OF A MOMENT WHEN

15936
08:26:03,966 --> 08:26:05,900
CUNNING AMBITIOUS AND

15937
08:26:05,900 --> 08:26:06,766
UNPRINCIPLED MEN WILL BE ENABLED

15938
08:26:06,766 --> 08:26:08,600
TO SUBVERT THE POWER OF THE

15939
08:26:08,600 --> 08:26:10,566
PEOPLE AND TO USURP FOR

15940
08:26:10,566 --> 08:26:13,233
THEMSELVES THE REINS OF

15941
08:26:13,233 --> 08:26:13,800
GOVERNMENT.

15942
08:26:13,800 --> 08:26:14,933
PRESIDENT TRUMP PLACED HIS OWN

15943
08:26:14,933 --> 08:26:16,300
PERSONAL AND POLITICAL INTERESTS

15944
08:26:16,300 --> 08:26:18,600
ABOVE OUR NATIONAL INTERESTS,

15945
08:26:18,600 --> 08:26:21,000
ABOVE THE SECURITY OF OUR

15946
08:26:21,000 --> 08:26:22,600
COUNTRY AND MOST IMPORTANTLY

15947
08:26:22,600 --> 08:26:24,333
ABOVE OUR MOST PRECIOUS RIGHT,

15948
08:26:24,333 --> 08:26:25,766
THE ABILITY OF EACH AND EVERY

15949
08:26:25,766 --> 08:26:28,400
ONE OF US TO PARTICIPATE IN FAIR

15950
08:26:28,400 --> 08:26:31,033
ELECTIONS, FREE OF CORRUPTION.

15951
08:26:31,033 --> 08:26:32,566
THE CONSTITUTION HAS A SOLUTION

15952
08:26:32,566 --> 08:26:35,366
FOR A PRESIDENT WHO PLACES HIS

15953
08:26:35,366 --> 08:26:36,300
PERSONAL OR POLITICAL INTERESTS

15954
08:26:36,300 --> 08:26:38,566
OF THOSE ABOVE THE NATION, THE

15955
08:26:38,566 --> 08:26:40,600
POWER OF IMPEACHMENT.

15956
08:26:40,600 --> 08:26:42,533
AS ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES POINTED

15957
08:26:42,533 --> 08:26:45,033
OUT I HAVE IN THE PAST

15958
08:26:45,033 --> 08:26:45,933
ARTICULATED A THREE PART TEST

15959
08:26:45,933 --> 08:26:48,400
FOR IMPEACHMENT, LET ME BE CLEAR

15960
08:26:48,400 --> 08:26:50,133
ARE ALL THREE PARTS OF THAT TEST

15961
08:26:50,133 --> 08:26:51,166
HAVE BEEN MET.

15962
08:26:51,166 --> 08:26:53,533
FIRST, YES, THE PRESIDENT HAS

15963
08:26:53,533 --> 08:26:55,266
COMMITTED AN IMPEACHABLE

15964
08:26:55,266 --> 08:26:55,600
OFFENSE.

15965
08:26:55,600 --> 08:26:56,733
THE PRESIDENT ASKED THE FOREIGN

15966
08:26:56,733 --> 08:26:59,000
GOVERNMENT TO INTERVENE IN OUR

15967
08:26:59,000 --> 08:27:02,233
ELECTIONS, THEN GOT CAUGHT, THEN

15968
08:27:02,233 --> 08:27:04,233
OBSTRUCTED THE INVESTIGATORS.

15969
08:27:04,233 --> 08:27:04,733
TWICE.

15970
08:27:04,733 --> 08:27:07,266
OUR WITNESSES TOLD US IN NO

15971
08:27:07,266 --> 08:27:09,800
UNCERTAIN TERMS THIS CONDUCT

15972
08:27:09,800 --> 08:27:10,666
CONSTITUTED, CONSTITUTES HIGH

15973
08:27:10,666 --> 08:27:13,766
CRIMES AND MISS AUTHORIZE,

15974
08:27:13,766 --> 08:27:15,666
INCLUDING ABUSE OF POWER.

15975
08:27:15,666 --> 08:27:16,833
SECOND.

15976
08:27:16,833 --> 08:27:18,966
YES, THE PRESIDENT'S ALLEGED

15977
08:27:18,966 --> 08:27:19,933
OFFENSES PRESENT A DIRECT THREAT

15978
08:27:19,933 --> 08:27:22,600
TO THE CONSTITUTIONAL ORDER.

15979
08:27:22,600 --> 08:27:24,533
PROFESSOR KARLAN WARNED, DRAWING

15980
08:27:24,533 --> 08:27:26,500
A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT INTO OUR

15981
08:27:26,500 --> 08:27:27,900
ELECTION PROCESS IS AN

15982
08:27:27,900 --> 08:27:29,666
ESPECIALLY SERIOUS ABUSE OF

15983
08:27:29,666 --> 08:27:31,500
POWER BECAUSE IT UNDERMINES

15984
08:27:31,500 --> 08:27:34,000
DEMOCRACY ITSELF.

15985
08:27:34,000 --> 08:27:36,233
PROFESSOR FELDMAN ECHOED IF WE

15986
08:27:36,233 --> 08:27:38,100
CANNOT IMPEACH A PRESIDENT WHO

15987
08:27:38,100 --> 08:27:40,600
ABUSES HIS OFFICE FOR PERSONAL

15988
08:27:40,600 --> 08:27:42,133
ADVANTAGE, WE NO LONGER LIVE IN

15989
08:27:42,133 --> 08:27:42,966
A DEMOCRACY.

15990
08:27:42,966 --> 08:27:46,866
WE LIVE IN A MONARCHY OR UNDER A

15991
08:27:46,866 --> 08:27:47,466
DICTATOR SHIP.

15992
08:27:47,466 --> 08:27:51,200
PROFESSOR GERHARDT REMINDS US US

15993
08:27:51,200 --> 08:27:53,033
IF WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS

15994
08:27:53,033 --> 08:27:58,000
NOT IMPEACHABLE THEN NOTHING IS

15995
08:27:58,000 --> 08:27:58,400
IMPEACHABLE.

15996
08:27:58,400 --> 08:27:59,466
PRESIDENT TRUMP'S ACTS REPRESENT

15997
08:27:59,466 --> 08:28:00,333
A THREAT TO OUR NATIONAL

15998
08:28:00,333 --> 08:28:01,833
SECURITY AND URGENT THREAT TO

15999
08:28:01,833 --> 08:28:05,733
THE INTEGRITY OF THE NEXT

16000
08:28:05,733 --> 08:28:06,233
ELECTION.

16001
08:28:06,233 --> 08:28:08,100
THIRD, YES, WE SHOULD NOT

16002
08:28:08,100 --> 08:28:09,133
PROCEED UNLESS AT LEAST SOME OF

16003
08:28:09,133 --> 08:28:11,433
THE CITIZENS WHO SUPPORTED THE

16004
08:28:11,433 --> 08:28:12,266
PRESIDENT IN THE LAST ELECTION

16005
08:28:12,266 --> 08:28:14,566
ARE WILLING TO COME WITH US.

16006
08:28:14,566 --> 08:28:16,266
A MAJORITY OF THIS COUNTRY IS

16007
08:28:16,266 --> 08:28:19,500
CLEARLY PREPARED TO IMPEACH AND

16008
08:28:19,500 --> 08:28:21,700
REMOVE PRESIDENT TRUMP.

16009
08:28:21,700 --> 08:28:23,433
RATHER THAN RESPOND TO THE

16010
08:28:23,433 --> 08:28:26,200
UNSETTLING AND DANGEROUS

16011
08:28:26,200 --> 08:28:27,533
EVIDENCE, MY REPUBLICAN

16012
08:28:27,533 --> 08:28:28,466
COLLEAGUES HAVE CALLED THIS

16013
08:28:28,466 --> 08:28:29,133
PROCESS UNFAIR.

16014
08:28:29,133 --> 08:28:30,766
IT IS NOT.

16015
08:28:30,766 --> 08:28:31,933
NOR IS IN ARGUMENT NEW.

16016
08:28:31,933 --> 08:28:33,633
MY COLLEAGUES ON THE OTHER SIDE

16017
08:28:33,633 --> 08:28:35,700
OF THE AISLE UNABLE TO DEFEND

16018
08:28:35,700 --> 08:28:37,466
THE BEHAVIOR OF THE PRESIDENT

16019
08:28:37,466 --> 08:28:40,666
HAVE USED THIS ARGUMENT BEFORE.

16020
08:28:40,666 --> 08:28:42,566
FIRST THEY SAID THAT THESE

16021
08:28:42,566 --> 08:28:43,466
PROCEEDINGS WERE NOT

16022
08:28:43,466 --> 08:28:45,500
CONSTITUTIONAL BECAUSE WE DID

16023
08:28:45,500 --> 08:28:47,033
NOT HAVE A FLOOR VOTE, WE THEN

16024
08:28:47,033 --> 08:28:47,833
HAD A FLOOR VOTE.

16025
08:28:47,833 --> 08:28:49,700
THEN THEY SAID THAT OUR

16026
08:28:49,700 --> 08:28:51,466
PROCEEDINGS WERE NOT

16027
08:28:51,466 --> 08:28:53,166
CONSTITUTIONAL BECAUSE THEY

16028
08:28:53,166 --> 08:28:53,900
COULD NOT CALL WITNESSES.

16029
08:28:53,900 --> 08:28:55,433
REPUBLICANS CALLED THREE OF THE

16030
08:28:55,433 --> 08:28:56,266
WITNESSES IN THE LIVE HEARINGS

16031
08:28:56,266 --> 08:28:58,333
OF THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE,

16032
08:28:58,333 --> 08:28:58,633
AND

16033
08:28:58,633 --> 08:28:59,766
AND WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO

16034
08:28:59,766 --> 08:29:01,733
REQUEST WITNESSES IN THIS

16035
08:29:01,733 --> 08:29:02,933
COMMITTEE AS WELL.

16036
08:29:02,933 --> 08:29:05,033
NEXT, THEY SAID THAT OUR REGION

16037
08:29:05,033 --> 08:29:06,333
WERE NOT CONSTITUTIONAL BECAUSE

16038
08:29:06,333 --> 08:29:08,600
THE PRESIDENT COULD NOT

16039
08:29:08,600 --> 08:29:09,000
PARTICIPATE.

16040
08:29:09,000 --> 08:29:10,600
WHEN THE COMMITTEE INVITED THE

16041
08:29:10,600 --> 08:29:13,200
PRESIDENT TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS

16042
08:29:13,200 --> 08:29:14,033
HEARING HE DECLINED.

16043
08:29:14,033 --> 08:29:17,066
THE SIMPLE FACT IS THAT ALL OF

16044
08:29:17,066 --> 08:29:18,766
THESE PROCEEDINGS HAVE ALL THE

16045
08:29:18,766 --> 08:29:21,200
PROTECTIONS AFFORDED PRIOR

16046
08:29:21,200 --> 08:29:21,666
PRESIDENTS.

16047
08:29:21,666 --> 08:29:23,500
THIS PROCESS FOLLOWS THE

16048
08:29:23,500 --> 08:29:25,066
CONSTITUTIONAL AND LEGAL

16049
08:29:25,066 --> 08:29:25,966
PRECEDENTS.

16050
08:29:25,966 --> 08:29:27,866
SO I AM LEFT TO CONCLUDE THAT

16051
08:29:27,866 --> 08:29:29,900
THE ONLY REASON THAT MY

16052
08:29:29,900 --> 08:29:31,200
COLLEAGUES RUSH FROM ONE PROCESS

16053
08:29:31,200 --> 08:29:33,000
COMPLAINT TO THE NEXT IS BECAUSE

16054
08:29:33,000 --> 08:29:35,500
THERE IS NO FACTUAL DEFENSE FOR

16055
08:29:35,500 --> 08:29:38,133
PRESIDENT TRUMP.

16056
08:29:38,133 --> 08:29:39,466
UP LIKE ANY OTHER PRESIDENT

16057
08:29:39,466 --> 08:29:41,933
BEFORE HIM, PRESIDENT TRUMP

16058
08:29:41,933 --> 08:29:44,133
OPENLY HAS REJECTED COMING'S

16059
08:29:44,133 --> 08:29:46,266
RIGHT AS A COEQUAL BRANCH OF

16060
08:29:46,266 --> 08:29:46,666
GOVERNMENT.

16061
08:29:46,666 --> 08:29:48,500
HE HAS DEFIED OUR SUBPOENAS. HE

16062
08:29:48,500 --> 08:29:50,533
HAS REFUSED TO PRODUCE ANY

16063
08:29:50,533 --> 08:29:54,366
DOCUMENTS AND HE DIRECTED HIS

16064
08:29:54,366 --> 08:29:54,966
AIDS NOT TO TESTIFY.

16065
08:29:54,966 --> 08:29:56,600
PRESIDENTPRESIDENT TRUMP ALSO AE

16066
08:29:56,600 --> 08:29:58,733
FOREIGN GOVERNMENTTESTIFY.

16067
08:29:58,733 --> 08:30:00,333
PRESIDENT TRUMP ALSO ASKED A

16068
08:30:00,333 --> 08:30:01,466
FOREIGN GOVERNMENT TO INTERVENE

16069
08:30:01,466 --> 08:30:03,133
IN OUR ELECTIONS AND HE HAS MADE

16070
08:30:03,133 --> 08:30:06,000
CLEAR THAT IF LEFT UNCHECKED, HE

16071
08:30:06,000 --> 08:30:07,033
WILL DO IT AGAIN.

16072
08:30:07,033 --> 08:30:07,466
WHY?

16073
08:30:07,466 --> 08:30:09,366
BECAUSE HE BELIEVES THAT IN HIS

16074
08:30:09,366 --> 08:30:12,600
OWN WORDS, QUOTE, I CAN DO

16075
08:30:12,600 --> 08:30:13,600
WHATEVER I WANT, UNQUOTE.

16076
08:30:13,600 --> 08:30:15,933
THAT IS WHY WE MUST ACT NOW.

16077
08:30:15,933 --> 08:30:18,366
IN THIS COUNTRY, THE PRESIDENT

16078
08:30:18,366 --> 08:30:20,366
CANNOT DO WHATEVER HE WANTS.

16079
08:30:20,366 --> 08:30:22,400
IN THIS COUNTRY, NO ONE, NOT

16080
08:30:22,400 --> 08:30:25,433
EVEN THE PRESIDENT IS ABOVE THE

16081
08:30:25,433 --> 08:30:25,700
LAW.

16082
08:30:25,700 --> 08:30:27,433
TODAY WE BEGAN OUR CONVERSATION

16083
08:30:27,433 --> 08:30:29,566
WHERE WE SHOULD, WITH THE TECT

16084
08:30:29,566 --> 08:30:31,433
OF THE CONSTITUTION -- TEXT OF

16085
08:30:31,433 --> 08:30:32,200
THE CONSTITUTION.

16086
08:30:32,200 --> 08:30:34,033
WE HAVE HEARD CLEARLY FROM OUR

16087
08:30:34,033 --> 08:30:36,333
WITNESSES THAT THE CONSTITUTION

16088
08:30:36,333 --> 08:30:36,966
COMPELS ACTION.

16089
08:30:36,966 --> 08:30:38,733
INDEED EVERY WITNESS INCLUDING

16090
08:30:38,733 --> 08:30:40,933
THE WITNESS SELECTED BY

16091
08:30:40,933 --> 08:30:42,833
REPUBLICAN SIDE AGREED IF THE

16092
08:30:42,833 --> 08:30:45,200
PRESIDENT TRUMP DID WHAT THE

16093
08:30:45,200 --> 08:30:46,066
INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE FOUND HIM

16094
08:30:46,066 --> 08:30:48,400
TO HAVE DONE AFTER COMPELLING

16095
08:30:48,400 --> 08:30:50,500
WITNESSES FROM THE TRUMP

16096
08:30:50,500 --> 08:30:51,666
ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS, HE

16097
08:30:51,666 --> 08:30:53,466
COMMITTED IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES.

16098
08:30:53,466 --> 08:30:54,233
WHILE THE REPUBLICAN WITNESS MAY

16099
08:30:54,233 --> 08:30:55,966
NOT BE CONVINCED THERE IS

16100
08:30:55,966 --> 08:30:56,633
SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE THAT THE

16101
08:30:56,633 --> 08:30:58,733
PRESIDENT ENGAGED IN THESE ACTS,

16102
08:30:58,733 --> 08:31:00,300
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND THE

16103
08:31:00,300 --> 08:31:01,766
MAJORITY OF THIS COMMITTEE

16104
08:31:01,766 --> 08:31:02,133
DISAGREE.

16105
08:31:02,133 --> 08:31:04,466
I ALSO THINK THAT THE REPUBLICAN

16106
08:31:04,466 --> 08:31:05,966
WITNESS, PROFESSOR TURLEY,

16107
08:31:05,966 --> 08:31:08,566
ISSUED A SAGE WARNING IN 1998

16108
08:31:08,566 --> 08:31:09,866
THAT HE WAS A LEADING ADVOCATE

16109
08:31:09,866 --> 08:31:12,133
FOR THE IMPEACHMENT OF BILL

16110
08:31:12,133 --> 08:31:12,466
CLINTON.

16111
08:31:12,466 --> 08:31:14,266
HE SAID, QUOTE, IF YOU DECIDE

16112
08:31:14,266 --> 08:31:17,033
THAT CERTAIN ACTS DO NOT RISE TO

16113
08:31:17,033 --> 08:31:20,566
IMPEACIMPEACHABLE OFFENSES YOU L

16114
08:31:20,566 --> 08:31:22,433
EXPAND THE SPACE FOR EXECUTIVE

16115
08:31:22,433 --> 08:31:23,433
CONDUCT, CLOSE QUOTE.

16116
08:31:23,433 --> 08:31:26,100
THAT WAS THE PROFESSION OF

16117
08:31:26,100 --> 08:31:29,900
PROFESSOR TURLEY IN 198 IN THE

16118
08:31:29,900 --> 08:31:30,933
IMPEACHMENT OF PRESIDENT

16119
08:31:30,933 --> 08:31:31,266
CLINTON.

16120
08:31:31,266 --> 08:31:32,333
THAT QUESTION SHOULD GUIDE US

16121
08:31:32,333 --> 08:31:33,133
ALL TODAY.

16122
08:31:33,133 --> 08:31:34,700
BUT ANY ACCOUNT THAT WARNING IS

16123
08:31:34,700 --> 08:31:36,800
MORE APPLICABLE TO THE ABUSES OF

16124
08:31:36,800 --> 08:31:38,533
POWER WE ARE CONTEMPLATING

16125
08:31:38,533 --> 08:31:38,833
TODAY.

16126
08:31:38,833 --> 08:31:42,166
BECAUSE AS WE ALL KNOW, IF THESE

16127
08:31:42,166 --> 08:31:43,233
ABUSES GO UNCHECKED, THEY WILL

16128
08:31:43,233 --> 08:31:45,400
ONLY CONTINUE AND ONLY GROW

16129
08:31:45,400 --> 08:31:45,700
WORSE.

16130
08:31:45,700 --> 08:31:46,800
EACH OF US TOOK AN OATH TO

16131
08:31:46,800 --> 08:31:48,166
DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION.

16132
08:31:48,166 --> 08:31:49,833
THE PRESIDENT IS A CONTINUING

16133
08:31:49,833 --> 08:31:51,166
THREAT TO THAT CONSTITUTION AND

16134
08:31:51,166 --> 08:31:53,500
TO OUR DEMOCRACY.

16135
08:31:53,500 --> 08:31:56,533
I WILL HONOR MY OATH, AND AS I

16136
08:31:56,533 --> 08:32:00,100
SIT HERE TODAY, HAVING HEARD

16137
08:32:00,100 --> 08:32:01,466
CONSISTENT CLEAR AND COMPELLING

16138
08:32:01,466 --> 08:32:03,466
EVIDENCE THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS

16139
08:32:03,466 --> 08:32:06,166
ABUSED HIS POWER, ATTEMPTED TO

16140
08:32:06,166 --> 08:32:07,200
UNDERMIND THE CONSTITUTIONAL

16141
08:32:07,200 --> 08:32:08,500
ROLE OF CONGRESS AND CORRUPTED

16142
08:32:08,500 --> 08:32:11,000
OUR ELECTIONS, I URGE MY

16143
08:32:11,000 --> 08:32:12,266
COLLEAGUES STAND BEHIND THE OATH

16144
08:32:12,266 --> 08:32:14,500
YOU HAVE TAKEN.

16145
08:32:14,500 --> 08:32:15,933
OUR DEMOCRACY DEPENDS ON IT.

16146
08:32:15,933 --> 08:32:17,900
THIS CONCLUDES TODAY'S HEARING.

16147
08:32:17,900 --> 08:32:19,933
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE ONE

16148
08:32:19,933 --> 08:32:20,233
THING.

16149
08:32:20,233 --> 08:32:22,466
>> FOR WHAT PURPOSES DOES THE

16150
08:32:22,466 --> 08:32:23,133
GENTLEMAN SEEK RECOGNITION.

16151
08:32:23,133 --> 08:32:24,500
>> PURSUANT TO COMMITTEE RULE

16152
08:32:24,500 --> 08:32:25,933
I'M GIVING NOTICE OF INTEND TO

16153
08:32:25,933 --> 08:32:27,433
FILE THE SAME THING OF

16154
08:32:27,433 --> 08:32:29,800
COMMITTEE'S REPORT FOR

16155
08:32:29,800 --> 08:32:30,866
CONSTITUTIONAL GROUNDS OF

16156
08:32:30,866 --> 08:32:31,500
PRESIDENTIAL IMPEACHMENT.

16157
08:32:31,500 --> 08:32:32,266
>> NOTED.

16158
08:32:32,266 --> 08:32:34,800
>> THIS CONCLUDES TODAY'S

16159
08:32:34,800 --> 08:32:35,133
HEARING.

16160
08:32:35,133 --> 08:32:36,366
WE THANK ALL OF OUR WITNESSES

16161
08:32:36,366 --> 08:32:37,266
FOR PARTICIPATING.

16162
08:32:37,266 --> 08:32:38,266
>> MR. CHAIRMAN --

16163
08:32:38,266 --> 08:32:40,566
>> WITHOUT OBJECTION ALL MEMBERS

16164
08:32:40,566 --> 08:32:42,000
WILL HAVE FIVE LEGISLATIVE DAYS

16165
08:32:42,000 --> 08:32:43,366
TO SUBMIT ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS

16166
08:32:43,366 --> 08:32:45,400
FOR WITNESSES OR ADDITIONAL --

16167
08:32:45,400 --> 08:32:47,233
>> I HAVE A QUESTION.

16168
08:32:47,233 --> 08:32:51,200
>> THE WITNESSES ARE

16169
08:32:51,200 --> 08:32:51,633
ADDITIONAL --

16170
08:32:51,633 --> 08:32:53,400
>> WITHOUT OBJECTION THE HEARING

16171
08:32:53,400 --> 08:32:53,866
IS ADJOURNED.

16172
08:32:53,866 --> 08:32:59,433
>> JUST TYPICAL, ISN'T IT, JUST

16173
08:32:59,433 --> 08:33:31,500
TYPICAL.