1 00:00:04,604 --> 00:00:05,338 >> Sreenivasan: ON THIS EDITION 2 00:00:05,338 --> 00:00:07,574 FOR SATURDAY, MAY 12: IRAQIS GO 3 00:00:07,574 --> 00:00:08,975 TO THE POLLS FOR THE FIRST TIME 4 00:00:08,975 --> 00:00:11,678 SINCE THE DEFEAT OF ISIS; IN OUR 5 00:00:11,678 --> 00:00:13,113 SIGNATURE SEGMENT, MOTHERS 6 00:00:13,113 --> 00:00:14,714 RAISING THEIR BABIES WHILE DOING 7 00:00:14,714 --> 00:00:17,417 TIME IN PRISON; AND, WHAT'S 8 00:00:17,417 --> 00:00:18,852 BEHIND THE DECISION OF MUSIC 9 00:00:18,852 --> 00:00:20,787 STREAMING SERVICES TO STOP "HATE 10 00:00:20,787 --> 00:00:24,024 CONTENT"? 11 00:00:21,521 --> 00:00:25,258 NEXT ON PBS NEWSHOUR WEEKEND. 12 00:00:25,258 --> 00:00:27,594 FROM THE TISCH WNET STUDIOS AT 13 00:00:27,594 --> 00:00:29,295 LINCOLN CENTER IN NEW YORK, 14 00:00:29,295 --> 00:00:30,497 HARI SREENIVASAN. 15 00:00:30,497 --> 00:00:31,197 >> Sreenivasan: GOOD EVENING, 16 00:00:31,197 --> 00:00:32,065 AND THANKS FOR JOINING US. 17 00:00:32,065 --> 00:00:33,933 WITH THE U.S.-NORTH KOREA SUMMIT 18 00:00:33,933 --> 00:00:35,201 NOW SET FOR JUNE 12 IN 19 00:00:35,201 --> 00:00:36,936 SINGAPORE, NORTH KOREA SAYS IT 20 00:00:36,936 --> 00:00:38,405 WILL DESTROY AN UNDERGROUND 21 00:00:38,405 --> 00:00:40,306 NUCLEAR TEST SITE LESS THAN TWO 22 00:00:40,306 --> 00:00:41,841 WEEKS FROM NOW, AND WILL INVITE 23 00:00:41,841 --> 00:00:43,810 JOURNALISTS AS WITNESSES. 24 00:00:43,810 --> 00:00:44,844 NORTH KOREA'S FOREIGN MINISTRY 25 00:00:44,844 --> 00:00:46,446 SAID TUNNELS AT THE SITE WILL BE 26 00:00:46,446 --> 00:00:48,214 BLOWN UP SOME TIME BETWEEN MAY 27 00:00:48,214 --> 00:00:50,050 23 AND 25, DEPENDING ON WEATHER 28 00:00:50,050 --> 00:00:50,950 CONDITIONS. 29 00:00:50,950 --> 00:00:52,952 RESEARCH FACILITIES WILL ALSO BE 30 00:00:52,952 --> 00:00:53,853 DESTROYED. 31 00:00:53,853 --> 00:00:55,422 NORTH KOREA SAID IT WOULD INVITE 32 00:00:55,422 --> 00:00:57,290 AND ESCORT JOURNALISTS FROM FIVE 33 00:00:57,290 --> 00:00:58,792 COUNTRIES-- THE UNITED STATES, 34 00:00:58,792 --> 00:01:00,360 SOUTH KOREA, CHINA, RUSSIA AND 35 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,362 BRITAIN-- TO COVER THE EVENT. 36 00:01:02,362 --> 00:01:03,430 THERE WAS NO MENTION OF ALLOWING 37 00:01:03,430 --> 00:01:05,165 WEAPONS INSPECTORS OR NUCLEAR 38 00:01:05,165 --> 00:01:07,300 EXPERTS AT THE SITE. 39 00:01:07,300 --> 00:01:08,835 PRESIDENT TRUMP'S LAWYER, RUDY 40 00:01:08,835 --> 00:01:10,537 GIULIANI, IS WALKING BACK HIS 41 00:01:10,537 --> 00:01:11,771 STATEMENT THAT THE PRESIDENT 42 00:01:11,771 --> 00:01:13,740 "DENIED THE MERGER" OF AT&T AND 43 00:01:13,740 --> 00:01:14,641 TIME WARNER. 44 00:01:14,641 --> 00:01:16,209 THIS MORNING, CNN REPORTED THAT 45 00:01:16,209 --> 00:01:17,277 GIULIANI NOW SAYS THAT THE 46 00:01:17,277 --> 00:01:18,812 PRESIDENT "DIDN'T INTERFERE" IN 47 00:01:18,812 --> 00:01:21,748 THE PROPOSED $85 BILLION MERGER. 48 00:01:21,748 --> 00:01:23,083 IN AN INTERVIEW YESTERDAY WITH 49 00:01:23,083 --> 00:01:24,050 THE "HUFFINGTON POST" THAT 50 00:01:24,050 --> 00:01:25,218 FOCUSED ON PAYMENTS, THE 51 00:01:25,218 --> 00:01:26,486 PRESIDENT'S LONG-TIME PERSONAL 52 00:01:26,486 --> 00:01:28,221 LAWYER MICHAEL COHEN RECEIVED 53 00:01:28,221 --> 00:01:29,589 FROM CORPORATIONS INCLUDING 54 00:01:29,589 --> 00:01:31,958 AT&T, GIULIANI SAID, "THE 55 00:01:31,958 --> 00:01:33,293 PRESIDENT DENIED THE MERGER. 56 00:01:33,293 --> 00:01:34,394 THEY DIDN'T GET THE RESULT THEY 57 00:01:34,394 --> 00:01:35,361 WANTED." 58 00:01:35,361 --> 00:01:37,330 COHEN RECEIVED $600,000 FROM 59 00:01:37,330 --> 00:01:39,632 AT&T FOR ADVICE, A PAYMENT 60 00:01:39,632 --> 00:01:41,401 AT&T'S C.E.O. CALLED A "BIG 61 00:01:41,401 --> 00:01:42,435 MISTAKE." 62 00:01:42,435 --> 00:01:43,970 OKLAHOMA GOVERNOR MARY FALLIN, 63 00:01:43,970 --> 00:01:45,238 A REPUBLICAN, VETOED A 64 00:01:45,238 --> 00:01:47,107 CONTROVERSIAL GUN RIGHTS BILL 65 00:01:47,107 --> 00:01:48,741 LATE LAST NIGHT AND SIGNED 66 00:01:48,741 --> 00:01:51,111 ANOTHER ON FAITH-BASED ADOPTION 67 00:01:51,111 --> 00:01:51,911 SERVICES. 68 00:01:51,911 --> 00:01:53,513 FALLIN VETOED A BILL THAT WOULD 69 00:01:53,513 --> 00:01:54,948 HAVE ALLOWED ADULTS TO CARRY 70 00:01:54,948 --> 00:01:56,683 FIREARMS WITHOUT A PERMIT OR 71 00:01:56,683 --> 00:01:58,318 TRAINING, ANGERING THE NATIONAL 72 00:01:58,318 --> 00:02:00,353 RIFLE ASSOCIATION BUT PLEASING 73 00:02:00,353 --> 00:02:01,354 THE STATE BUREAU OF 74 00:02:01,354 --> 00:02:02,555 INVESTIGATION. 75 00:02:02,555 --> 00:02:03,890 THE GOVERNOR SIGNED A LAW THAT 76 00:02:03,890 --> 00:02:04,891 PROTECTS FAITH-BASED 77 00:02:04,891 --> 00:02:06,759 ORGANIZATIONS THAT REFUSE TO 78 00:02:06,759 --> 00:02:09,129 PLACE CHILDREN IN L.G.B.T.Q. 79 00:02:09,129 --> 00:02:10,063 HOMES. 80 00:02:10,063 --> 00:02:11,998 FREEDOM OKLAHOMA, AN L.G.B.T.Q. 81 00:02:11,998 --> 00:02:13,299 RIGHTS GROUP, IS THREATENING TO 82 00:02:13,299 --> 00:02:15,735 SUE THE STATE OVER THE MEASURE. 83 00:02:15,735 --> 00:02:17,470 THE KILAUEA VOLCANO ON HAWAII'S 84 00:02:17,470 --> 00:02:18,838 BIG ISLAND IS STILL ERUPTING, 85 00:02:18,838 --> 00:02:20,106 AND NOW THERE ARE NEW CONCERNS 86 00:02:20,106 --> 00:02:21,341 ABOUT WHAT COMES NEXT. 87 00:02:21,341 --> 00:02:22,942 SCIENTISTS ARE WARNING THAT LAVA 88 00:02:22,942 --> 00:02:24,911 LEVELS INSIDE THE VOLCANO MAY 89 00:02:24,911 --> 00:02:26,646 DROP BELOW THE WATER TABLE, 90 00:02:26,646 --> 00:02:28,515 WHICH COULD CREATE A VOLCANIC 91 00:02:28,515 --> 00:02:30,517 STEAM-DRIVEN ERUPTION. 92 00:02:30,517 --> 00:02:31,885 HAWAII CIVIL DEFENSE OFFICIALS 93 00:02:31,885 --> 00:02:33,953 SAY THAT COULD SEND BOULDERS AS 94 00:02:33,953 --> 00:02:36,055 LARGE AS REFRIGERATORS HALF A 95 00:02:36,055 --> 00:02:37,790 MILE INTO THE AIR ALONG WITH 96 00:02:37,790 --> 00:02:40,160 20,000-FOOT ASH PLUMES. 97 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:41,561 THE HAWAII NATIONAL GUARD SAYS 98 00:02:41,561 --> 00:02:43,196 IT IS PREPARED TO RESCUE SOME 99 00:02:43,196 --> 00:02:47,534 2,000 PEOPLE BY CONVOY, TROOP 100 00:02:45,365 --> 00:02:57,610 VEHICLES OR HELICOPTER. 101 00:02:57,610 --> 00:02:58,278 >> Sreenivasan: IRAQ HELD A 102 00:02:58,278 --> 00:02:59,579 NATIONAL ELECTION TODAY, THE 103 00:02:59,579 --> 00:03:00,513 FIRST SINCE PRIME MINISTER 104 00:03:00,513 --> 00:03:02,081 HAIDER AL-ABADI DECLARED VICTORY 105 00:03:02,081 --> 00:03:03,283 OVER THE ISLAMIC STATE IN 106 00:03:03,283 --> 00:03:04,217 DECEMBER. 107 00:03:04,217 --> 00:03:05,318 RESULTS ARE EXPECTED WITHIN THE 108 00:03:05,318 --> 00:03:06,452 NEXT TWO DAYS, BUT IT WILL 109 00:03:06,452 --> 00:03:07,887 LIKELY BE MONTHS BEFORE A PRIME 110 00:03:07,887 --> 00:03:09,322 MINISTER IS CHOSEN AND A NEW 111 00:03:09,322 --> 00:03:10,723 GOVERNMENT IS FORMED. 112 00:03:10,723 --> 00:03:12,025 FOR SOME ANALYSIS OF WHAT'S AT 113 00:03:12,025 --> 00:03:13,526 STAKE, I'M JOINED VIA SKYPE FROM 114 00:03:13,526 --> 00:03:14,928 BAGHDAD BY "NEW YORK TIMES" 115 00:03:14,928 --> 00:03:16,296 BUREAU CHIEF MARGARET COKER. 116 00:03:16,296 --> 00:03:16,863 THANKS FOR JOINING US. 117 00:03:16,863 --> 00:03:18,898 SO, THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT WE 118 00:03:18,898 --> 00:03:20,066 HAVEN'T SEEN ANY WIDESPREAD 119 00:03:20,066 --> 00:03:21,734 VIOLENCE OR ATTACKS, SOMETHING 120 00:03:21,734 --> 00:03:23,570 THE COUNTRY WAS CONCERNED ABOUT 121 00:03:23,570 --> 00:03:24,938 FOR TODAY. 122 00:03:24,938 --> 00:03:25,305 >> RIGHT. 123 00:03:25,305 --> 00:03:27,040 IT'S REALLY AMAZING, ACTUALLY. 124 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,042 IN 2014, A THIRD OF THE NATION 125 00:03:29,042 --> 00:03:30,777 HAD BEEN OVERRUN BY ISLAMIC 126 00:03:30,777 --> 00:03:31,711 STATE. 127 00:03:31,711 --> 00:03:32,612 PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE 128 00:03:32,612 --> 00:03:33,780 END OF IRAQ. 129 00:03:33,780 --> 00:03:35,715 AND NOW, WE'VE HAD A NATIONAL 130 00:03:35,715 --> 00:03:39,485 ELECTION, ALMOST NO VIOLENCE, A 131 00:03:39,485 --> 00:03:41,254 FEW IRREGULARITIES, BUT PEOPLE 132 00:03:41,254 --> 00:03:43,122 WERE PRETTY FREE TO COME AND... 133 00:03:43,122 --> 00:03:44,123 AND VOTE AS THEY CHOSE. 134 00:03:44,123 --> 00:03:44,791 >> Sreenivasan: WHAT DID YOU 135 00:03:44,791 --> 00:03:45,792 OR YOUR REPORTERS SEE AT THE 136 00:03:45,792 --> 00:03:47,293 POLLING STATIONS TODAY? 137 00:03:47,293 --> 00:03:48,228 >> WELL, I WAS IN BAGHDAD. 138 00:03:48,228 --> 00:03:50,496 I WENT AROUND THE BIG CAPITAL 139 00:03:50,496 --> 00:03:51,965 CITY TO FIVE OR SIX DIFFERENT 140 00:03:51,965 --> 00:03:53,466 POLLING STATIONS IN DIFFERENT 141 00:03:53,466 --> 00:03:55,668 PARTS OF THE CITY, AND TURNOUT 142 00:03:55,668 --> 00:03:56,803 WAS VERY LOW. 143 00:03:56,803 --> 00:03:57,937 YOU KNOW, THERE'S A GENERAL MOOD 144 00:03:57,937 --> 00:04:00,540 HERE OF JUST UTTER EXHAUSTION. 145 00:04:00,540 --> 00:04:02,242 THERE WAS ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF 146 00:04:02,242 --> 00:04:04,444 BATTLE, A LOT OF SACRIFICE, A 147 00:04:04,444 --> 00:04:05,712 LOT OF LIVES LOST OVER THE LAST 148 00:04:05,712 --> 00:04:07,213 THREE AND A HALF YEARS. 149 00:04:07,213 --> 00:04:08,615 PEOPLE ARE EXHAUSTED. 150 00:04:08,615 --> 00:04:11,217 AND SECURITY IS SO GOOD NOW THAT 151 00:04:11,217 --> 00:04:13,519 EVERYONE IS CONCERNED AGAIN WITH 152 00:04:13,519 --> 00:04:14,988 QUALITY-OF-LIFE ISSUES-- A LACK 153 00:04:14,988 --> 00:04:16,389 OF INFRASTRUCTURE, A LACK OF 154 00:04:16,389 --> 00:04:18,258 SCHOOLS, A LACK OF JOBS. 155 00:04:18,258 --> 00:04:19,626 AND SO, YOU HAVE ALL OF THESE 156 00:04:19,626 --> 00:04:21,828 ROUTINE PROBLEMS THAT APPEAR 157 00:04:21,828 --> 00:04:23,663 OVERWHELMING, BUT, ALSO, THERE'S 158 00:04:23,663 --> 00:04:25,031 A LACK OF TRUST IN THE POLITICAL 159 00:04:25,031 --> 00:04:26,699 LEADERSHIP ABOUT HOW THESE 160 00:04:26,699 --> 00:04:28,134 THINGS CAN GET SOLVED. 161 00:04:28,134 --> 00:04:30,703 SO, THE MOOD ON THE STREET IS... 162 00:04:30,703 --> 00:04:32,538 IS PRETTY SUBDUED. 163 00:04:32,538 --> 00:04:33,273 >> Sreenivasan: LET'S TALK A 164 00:04:33,273 --> 00:04:34,240 LITTLE BIT ABOUT KIND OF THE... 165 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:35,241 THE BIGGER PICTURE, THINGS THAT 166 00:04:35,241 --> 00:04:36,276 ARE HAPPENING IN THE BACKGROUND 167 00:04:36,276 --> 00:04:36,943 HERE. 168 00:04:36,943 --> 00:04:39,712 WHAT IS THE ROLE OF PERHAPS IRAN 169 00:04:39,712 --> 00:04:41,281 IN... IN THE INFLUENCE THAT IRAN 170 00:04:41,281 --> 00:04:43,716 WIELDS IN IRAQ RIGHT NOW, OR HOW 171 00:04:43,716 --> 00:04:45,885 LONG THE UNITED STATES WILL STAY 172 00:04:45,885 --> 00:04:47,320 IN IRAQ AND IN KIND OF WHAT 173 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:48,721 CAPACITY? 174 00:04:48,721 --> 00:04:50,356 >> YEAH, SO, ONE OF THE AMAZING 175 00:04:50,356 --> 00:04:53,793 THINGS ABOUT LAST FALL AND INTO 176 00:04:53,793 --> 00:04:55,595 THE WINTER WHEN IRAQ DECLARED 177 00:04:55,595 --> 00:04:57,430 VICTORY OVER ISLAMIC STATE, 178 00:04:57,430 --> 00:04:59,265 THERE'S THIS TREMENDOUS SURGE OF 179 00:04:59,265 --> 00:05:01,234 PATRIOTISM AND NATIONALISM. 180 00:05:01,234 --> 00:05:02,302 PEOPLE ARE PROUD AGAIN TO BE 181 00:05:02,302 --> 00:05:04,270 IRAQIS, AND THERE'S QUITE A LOT 182 00:05:04,270 --> 00:05:06,439 OF BREATHING SPACE RIGHT NOW FOR 183 00:05:06,439 --> 00:05:07,840 IRAQI NATIONALISTS TO COME TO 184 00:05:07,840 --> 00:05:08,541 THE FORE. 185 00:05:08,541 --> 00:05:10,977 I MEAN, PEOPLE WHO EITHER PULLED 186 00:05:10,977 --> 00:05:12,545 ONE WAY TOWARDS IRAN OR PULLED 187 00:05:12,545 --> 00:05:14,213 ONE WAY TOWARDS AMERICA TEN 188 00:05:14,213 --> 00:05:16,215 YEARS AGO ARE NOW TRYING TO 189 00:05:16,215 --> 00:05:17,183 REPOSITION THEMSELVES 190 00:05:17,183 --> 00:05:18,785 POLITICALLY AS BEING 191 00:05:18,785 --> 00:05:20,353 NATIONALISTS FIRST AND IN THE 192 00:05:20,353 --> 00:05:21,254 MIDDLE OF THE POLITICAL 193 00:05:21,254 --> 00:05:22,088 SPECTRUM. 194 00:05:22,088 --> 00:05:24,223 AND THERE'S A VERY, VERY STRONG 195 00:05:24,223 --> 00:05:25,358 SENSE AMONG THE IRAQI 196 00:05:25,358 --> 00:05:27,293 POPULATION THAT SECTARIANISM-- 197 00:05:27,293 --> 00:05:29,629 WHICH THEY BLAME A LOT FOR ALL 198 00:05:29,629 --> 00:05:31,130 OF THE BLOODSHED THAT HAS 199 00:05:31,130 --> 00:05:32,598 BEFALLEN IRAQ OVER THE LAST 200 00:05:32,598 --> 00:05:34,567 DECADE-- THEY SAY THAT THE ERA 201 00:05:34,567 --> 00:05:36,035 OF SECTARIANISM IS OVER. 202 00:05:36,035 --> 00:05:37,837 AND SO, WHAT THAT MEANS IN A 203 00:05:37,837 --> 00:05:40,740 CODED FASHION IS THAT POLITICAL 204 00:05:40,740 --> 00:05:42,508 PARTIES THAT LOOK TOO CLOSE TO 205 00:05:42,508 --> 00:05:44,444 IRAN OR TOO CLOSE TO ANY OTHER 206 00:05:44,444 --> 00:05:45,945 OF THE REGIONAL POWERS, THEY'RE 207 00:05:45,945 --> 00:05:47,046 NOT GOING TO DO WELL IN THESE 208 00:05:47,046 --> 00:05:47,980 POLLS. 209 00:05:47,980 --> 00:05:48,614 >> Sreenivasan: ALL RIGHT, 210 00:05:48,614 --> 00:05:50,016 MARGARET COKER, "NEW YORK TIMES" 211 00:05:50,016 --> 00:05:51,117 BUREAU CHIEF, JOINING US VIA 212 00:05:51,117 --> 00:05:52,151 SKYPE FROM BAGHDAD TONIGHT. 213 00:05:52,151 --> 00:05:53,753 THANKS SO MUCH. 214 00:05:52,852 --> 00:06:03,896 >> YOU'RE WELCOME. 215 00:06:03,896 --> 00:06:04,630 >> Sreenivasan: WHEN A PREGNANT 216 00:06:04,630 --> 00:06:06,366 WOMAN GOES TO PRISON, MOST OFTEN 217 00:06:06,366 --> 00:06:08,101 SHE HAS TO GIVE UP HER BABY TO A 218 00:06:08,101 --> 00:06:10,069 RELATIVE OR ANOTHER CAREGIVER 219 00:06:10,069 --> 00:06:11,471 UNTIL SHE FINISHES SERVING HER 220 00:06:11,471 --> 00:06:12,305 SENTENCE. 221 00:06:12,305 --> 00:06:13,973 TONIGHT, IN THE FIRST OF A TWO- 222 00:06:13,973 --> 00:06:15,575 PART REPORT ABOUT CHILDREN WHOSE 223 00:06:15,575 --> 00:06:17,143 PARENTS ARE INCARCERATED, 224 00:06:17,143 --> 00:06:18,244 NEWSHOUR WEEKEND'S MEGAN 225 00:06:18,244 --> 00:06:19,712 THOMPSON HAS THE STORY OF AN 226 00:06:19,712 --> 00:06:21,481 INNOVATIVE PRISON PROGRAM THAT 227 00:06:21,481 --> 00:06:25,418 ALLOWS MOTHER AND CHILD TO STAY 228 00:06:23,416 --> 00:06:28,121 TOGETHER BEHIND BARS. 229 00:06:28,121 --> 00:06:28,821 >> Reporter: BRENDA SINGER IS 230 00:06:28,821 --> 00:06:30,590 SERVING TWO YEARS AT THE INDIANA 231 00:06:30,590 --> 00:06:32,692 WOMEN'S PRISON IN INDIANAPOLIS 232 00:06:32,692 --> 00:06:34,293 FOR OPIOID POSSESSION AND 233 00:06:34,293 --> 00:06:35,428 FAILING TO SHOW UP AT A WORK 234 00:06:35,428 --> 00:06:36,829 RELEASE PROGRAM. 235 00:06:36,829 --> 00:06:37,663 WHEN SHE ARRIVED HERE IN 236 00:06:37,663 --> 00:06:39,665 JANUARY, SHE WAS ALMOST NINE 237 00:06:39,665 --> 00:06:40,900 MONTHS PREGNANT. 238 00:06:40,900 --> 00:06:42,668 IT MEANT SHE'D GIVE BIRTH BEHIND 239 00:06:42,668 --> 00:06:45,004 BARS AND POSSIBLY BE SEPARATED 240 00:06:45,004 --> 00:06:48,341 FROM HER BABY JUST HOURS LATER. 241 00:06:48,341 --> 00:06:49,942 >> I WAS SCARED. 242 00:06:49,942 --> 00:06:50,810 I WAS REALLY WORRIED. 243 00:06:50,810 --> 00:06:52,111 I WOULD HAVE HAD A LITTLE UNDER 244 00:06:52,111 --> 00:06:53,212 24 HOURS WITH HER. 245 00:06:53,212 --> 00:06:54,814 BUT THAT'S... THAT WOULD HAVE 246 00:06:54,814 --> 00:06:56,015 BEEN JUST, LIKE, HAVING HER AND 247 00:06:56,015 --> 00:06:57,950 PUSHING HER AWAY. 248 00:06:57,950 --> 00:06:58,785 >> Reporter: BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT 249 00:06:58,785 --> 00:06:59,819 HAPPENED. 250 00:06:59,819 --> 00:07:01,454 TWO WEEKS AFTER GETTING HERE, 251 00:07:01,454 --> 00:07:02,688 SINGER GAVE BIRTH TO HER 252 00:07:02,688 --> 00:07:04,123 DAUGHTER, DORIS. 253 00:07:04,123 --> 00:07:06,292 LITTLE DORIS NOW LIVES HERE IN 254 00:07:06,292 --> 00:07:08,194 THE PRISON WITH HER MOTHER, IN A 255 00:07:08,194 --> 00:07:10,963 SPECIAL UNIT CALLED THE "WEE 256 00:07:09,695 --> 00:07:12,965 ONES' NURSERY." 257 00:07:12,965 --> 00:07:14,267 >> SHE'S AMAZING. 258 00:07:14,267 --> 00:07:16,035 FIRST SMILE BREAKS YOUR HEART. 259 00:07:16,035 --> 00:07:16,736 ( LAUGHS ) 260 00:07:16,736 --> 00:07:18,805 JUST MELT, YOU KNOW? 261 00:07:18,805 --> 00:07:19,539 >> Reporter: AND YOU GOT TO SEE 262 00:07:19,539 --> 00:07:20,039 IT. 263 00:07:20,039 --> 00:07:21,007 >> YEAH. 264 00:07:21,007 --> 00:07:22,675 THANKS TO WEE ONES. 265 00:07:22,675 --> 00:07:23,376 >> SO, TODAY, DORIS HAS AN 266 00:07:23,376 --> 00:07:24,877 APPOINTMENT AT 9:00 A.M. 267 00:07:24,877 --> 00:07:25,311 >> OKAY. 268 00:07:25,311 --> 00:07:25,945 >> I JUST WANT TO GO OVER 269 00:07:25,945 --> 00:07:26,712 EVERYTHING. 270 00:07:26,712 --> 00:07:27,480 >> Reporter: LEAH HESSION IS THE 271 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:28,881 NURSERY'S DIRECTOR. 272 00:07:28,881 --> 00:07:30,183 >> WEE ONES WAS STARTED IN APRIL 273 00:07:30,183 --> 00:07:32,652 OF 2008 AS A WAY FOR PREGNANT 274 00:07:32,652 --> 00:07:34,387 LOW-LEVEL OFFENDERS TO BE ABLE 275 00:07:34,387 --> 00:07:36,522 TO KEEP THEIR CHILDREN AFTER... 276 00:07:36,522 --> 00:07:37,690 AFTER DELIVERY WHILE THE 277 00:07:37,690 --> 00:07:39,926 MOTHER'S STILL INCARCERATED. 278 00:07:39,926 --> 00:07:40,827 >> Reporter: THE UNITED STATES 279 00:07:40,827 --> 00:07:42,829 PUTS MORE FEMALES IN PRISON THAN 280 00:07:42,829 --> 00:07:44,931 ANY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, 281 00:07:44,931 --> 00:07:46,532 AND THE MAJORITY OF INCARCERATED 282 00:07:46,532 --> 00:07:48,334 WOMEN ARE MOTHERS. 283 00:07:48,334 --> 00:07:50,369 BUT PRISON NURSERIES ARE RARE; 284 00:07:50,369 --> 00:07:51,537 THERE ARE ONLY EIGHT IN THE 285 00:07:51,537 --> 00:07:52,572 COUNTRY. 286 00:07:52,572 --> 00:07:54,507 FOR SOME PEOPLE WATCHING THIS, 287 00:07:54,507 --> 00:07:55,274 IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT 288 00:07:55,274 --> 00:07:57,844 SURPRISING TO SEE BABIES IN A 289 00:07:57,844 --> 00:07:58,678 PRISON. 290 00:07:58,678 --> 00:07:59,812 IS IT GOOD FOR A BABY TO BE 291 00:07:59,812 --> 00:08:01,380 LIVING IN A PRISON? 292 00:08:01,380 --> 00:08:02,215 >> I THINK SO. 293 00:08:02,215 --> 00:08:03,049 THESE ARE INFANTS. 294 00:08:03,049 --> 00:08:04,684 THESE ARE BABIES WHO ARE MONTHS 295 00:08:04,684 --> 00:08:06,018 OLD, WHO JUST WANT TO BE HELD 296 00:08:06,018 --> 00:08:06,919 AND NURSED AND LOVED BY THEIR 297 00:08:06,919 --> 00:08:07,687 MOTHERS. 298 00:08:07,687 --> 00:08:08,488 AND... AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE 299 00:08:08,488 --> 00:08:09,722 ABLE TO PROVIDE IN A SAFE 300 00:08:09,722 --> 00:08:10,389 ENVIRONMENT. 301 00:08:10,389 --> 00:08:11,057 >> Reporter: THE NURSERY IS 302 00:08:11,057 --> 00:08:12,959 HOUSED IN ITS OWN DORMITORY, 303 00:08:12,959 --> 00:08:14,427 WHERE MOTHERS LIVE SEPARATED 304 00:08:14,427 --> 00:08:15,728 FROM THE NEARLY 600 OTHER 305 00:08:15,728 --> 00:08:16,896 PRISONERS. 306 00:08:16,896 --> 00:08:17,597 >> SO, THIS IS ONE OF OUR 307 00:08:17,597 --> 00:08:18,965 MOTHER'S ROOMS. 308 00:08:18,965 --> 00:08:20,233 YOU'LL NOTICE THAT IT ONLY HAS 309 00:08:20,233 --> 00:08:21,133 ONE BED. 310 00:08:21,133 --> 00:08:22,268 A TYPICAL OFFENDER ROOM'S GOING 311 00:08:22,268 --> 00:08:23,669 TO HAVE A BUNK BED, SO IT'LL BE 312 00:08:23,669 --> 00:08:25,238 TWO OFFENDERS TO A ROOM. 313 00:08:25,238 --> 00:08:26,239 WITH OUR MOTHER'S ROOM, WE ONLY 314 00:08:26,239 --> 00:08:27,807 HAVE ONE BED AND ROOM FOR THE 315 00:08:27,807 --> 00:08:29,175 CRIB, SO IT GIVES THE MOTHER AND 316 00:08:29,175 --> 00:08:31,544 CHILD TIME TO BOND. 317 00:08:31,544 --> 00:08:32,245 >> Reporter: WHEN WE VISITED, 318 00:08:32,245 --> 00:08:33,346 THERE WERE FOUR BABIES IN THE 319 00:08:33,346 --> 00:08:34,180 NURSERY. 320 00:08:34,180 --> 00:08:36,015 THERE'S ROOM FOR UP TO TEN. 321 00:08:36,015 --> 00:08:37,183 PREGNANT PRISONERS CAN LIVE 322 00:08:37,183 --> 00:08:38,117 HERE, TOO. 323 00:08:38,117 --> 00:08:39,418 >> OVER HERE, THIS IS ALSO A 324 00:08:39,418 --> 00:08:40,386 NURSERY. 325 00:08:40,386 --> 00:08:41,387 THIS NURSERY DOES HAVE A 326 00:08:41,387 --> 00:08:42,455 TELEVISION IN IT. 327 00:08:42,455 --> 00:08:44,023 IT'S GOT TWO OF THE ELECTRIC 328 00:08:44,023 --> 00:08:45,424 SWINGS, SO IT'S A LITTLE MORE... 329 00:08:45,424 --> 00:08:46,292 LITTLE MORE POPULAR. 330 00:08:46,292 --> 00:08:47,293 BUT THIS HERE IS OUR SUPPLY 331 00:08:47,293 --> 00:08:48,227 CLOSET. 332 00:08:48,227 --> 00:08:49,128 >> Reporter: OFFICIALS SAY THE 333 00:08:49,128 --> 00:08:50,630 WEE ONES' NURSERY IS FUNDED 334 00:08:50,630 --> 00:08:52,532 ENTIRELY BY PRIVATE DONATIONS 335 00:08:52,532 --> 00:08:54,166 AND GRANTS, INCLUDING ALL THE 336 00:08:54,166 --> 00:08:55,568 DIAPERS AND WIPES. 337 00:08:55,568 --> 00:08:56,502 >> WE HAVE TWO CLOSETS. 338 00:08:56,502 --> 00:08:57,336 WE HAVE A BOYS' CLOSET AND A 339 00:08:57,336 --> 00:08:58,237 GIRLS' CLOSET. 340 00:08:58,237 --> 00:08:58,938 >> Reporter: SAME GOES FOR THE 341 00:08:58,938 --> 00:08:59,872 BABY CLOTHES. 342 00:08:59,872 --> 00:09:01,507 MOST OF THEM ARE DONATED AND 343 00:09:01,507 --> 00:09:02,642 THEN REUSED. 344 00:09:02,642 --> 00:09:03,376 >> THE MOTHERS ARE ABLE TO COME 345 00:09:03,376 --> 00:09:05,111 AND EXCHANGE CLOTHES EVERY OTHER 346 00:09:05,111 --> 00:09:06,679 WEEK JUST AS THEIR CHILD GROWS 347 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:08,281 SO MUCH IN THE FIRST YEAR. 348 00:09:08,281 --> 00:09:09,282 >> LUNCH! 349 00:09:09,282 --> 00:09:10,583 >> Reporter: TO LIVE HERE, WOMEN 350 00:09:10,583 --> 00:09:12,652 MUST BE LOW-LEVEL OFFENDERS WITH 351 00:09:12,652 --> 00:09:14,220 ZERO HISTORY OF VIOLENCE. 352 00:09:14,220 --> 00:09:15,388 AND THEIR SENTENCES MUST BE 353 00:09:15,388 --> 00:09:16,856 RELATIVELY SHORT SO THEY'LL BE 354 00:09:16,856 --> 00:09:18,391 RELEASED BY THE TIME THEIR CHILD 355 00:09:18,391 --> 00:09:19,425 TURNS TWO. 356 00:09:19,425 --> 00:09:20,860 >> I GOT SOME WOMEN WHO NEED TO 357 00:09:20,860 --> 00:09:21,327 GO... 358 00:09:21,327 --> 00:09:21,994 >> Reporter: THE STAKES ARE 359 00:09:21,994 --> 00:09:22,595 HIGH. 360 00:09:22,595 --> 00:09:24,063 IF THEY BREAK THE RULES, THEY 361 00:09:24,063 --> 00:09:25,698 COULD GET KICKED OUT. 362 00:09:25,698 --> 00:09:26,732 >> WE HAVE EXPECTATIONS FROM 363 00:09:26,732 --> 00:09:28,634 ROOM INSPECTIONS TO CLASSES AND 364 00:09:28,634 --> 00:09:29,669 THINGS LIKE THAT THAT SHE MUST 365 00:09:29,669 --> 00:09:30,570 COMPLETE. 366 00:09:30,570 --> 00:09:31,437 SHE'S GOING TO HAVE A POSITIVE 367 00:09:31,437 --> 00:09:32,572 ATTITUDE AND A WILLINGNESS TO 368 00:09:32,572 --> 00:09:33,839 CHANGE HER LIFE. 369 00:09:33,839 --> 00:09:34,674 >> I HATE BEING ON DRUGS. 370 00:09:34,674 --> 00:09:36,208 I HATE THAT LIFE. 371 00:09:36,208 --> 00:09:38,511 BUT I CAN'T LET IT HOLD ON TO ME 372 00:09:38,511 --> 00:09:39,278 BECAUSE I'M READY TO MOVE 373 00:09:39,278 --> 00:09:40,246 FORWARD. 374 00:09:40,246 --> 00:09:41,480 I'M READY TO BE A BETTER PERSON. 375 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,449 I'M READY TO BE A BETTER MOM 376 00:09:43,449 --> 00:09:44,850 MORE THAN ANYTHING. 377 00:09:44,850 --> 00:09:45,851 WHAT IS THAT? 378 00:09:45,851 --> 00:09:46,986 >> Reporter: 28-YEAR-OLD JAMIE 379 00:09:46,986 --> 00:09:49,021 BEAM HAS BATTLED ADDICTION SINCE 380 00:09:49,021 --> 00:09:50,823 SHE WAS 14 YEARS OLD. 381 00:09:50,823 --> 00:09:52,158 SHE SAYS HER DRUG OF CHOICE IS 382 00:09:52,158 --> 00:09:53,492 METHAMPHETAMINE. 383 00:09:53,492 --> 00:09:54,660 SHE WAS CONVICTED LAST YEAR OF 384 00:09:54,660 --> 00:09:55,895 BURGLARY AND OF ILLEGAL 385 00:09:55,895 --> 00:09:57,563 POSSESSION OF A FIREARM. 386 00:09:57,563 --> 00:09:58,531 WHEN SHE WAS LOCKED UP LAST 387 00:09:58,531 --> 00:09:59,832 SUMMER, SHE WAS ABOUT FIVE 388 00:09:59,832 --> 00:10:01,100 MONTHS PREGNANT. 389 00:10:01,100 --> 00:10:02,001 >> I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE WE WOULD 390 00:10:02,001 --> 00:10:03,069 BE. 391 00:10:03,069 --> 00:10:05,371 I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN, 392 00:10:05,371 --> 00:10:07,239 WHO... WHO SHE'D BE WITH. 393 00:10:07,239 --> 00:10:08,541 I DIDN'T HAVE ANY ANSWERS, AND I 394 00:10:08,541 --> 00:10:09,675 WAS VERY SCARED. 395 00:10:09,675 --> 00:10:10,576 THERE YOU GO. 396 00:10:10,576 --> 00:10:11,577 ALL BETTER NOW. 397 00:10:11,577 --> 00:10:12,612 >> Reporter: KHLOE WAS BORN IN 398 00:10:12,612 --> 00:10:13,846 DECEMBER. 399 00:10:13,846 --> 00:10:15,982 >> SHE IS SUCH A HAPPY BABY. 400 00:10:15,982 --> 00:10:17,617 SHE'S FULL OF SMILES. 401 00:10:17,617 --> 00:10:19,218 JUST VERY HAPPY. 402 00:10:19,218 --> 00:10:22,154 AND I'M SO GLAD THAT I DIDN'T 403 00:10:22,154 --> 00:10:24,323 HAVE TO MISS OUT ON THAT. 404 00:10:24,323 --> 00:10:25,358 >> Reporter: BEAM HAS RAISED TWO 405 00:10:25,358 --> 00:10:26,559 OTHER YOUNG DAUGHTERS WHO ARE 406 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:27,727 NOW LIVING WITH THEIR DAD IN 407 00:10:27,727 --> 00:10:28,728 MICHIGAN. 408 00:10:28,728 --> 00:10:29,895 >> IT'S OKAY. 409 00:10:29,895 --> 00:10:31,030 ( LAUGHS ) 410 00:10:31,030 --> 00:10:32,498 >> Reporter: IN HERE, SOBER, 411 00:10:32,498 --> 00:10:34,266 BEAM FEELS SHE'S ABLE TO FOCUS 412 00:10:34,266 --> 00:10:36,235 MORE ON KHLOE THAN SHE WAS WITH 413 00:10:36,235 --> 00:10:37,770 HER OTHER CHILDREN. 414 00:10:37,770 --> 00:10:39,238 >> OH, I DO, BUNNY, BUNNY, 415 00:10:39,238 --> 00:10:40,172 BUNNY. 416 00:10:40,172 --> 00:10:43,075 I NOTICE A LOT MORE PARENTING, 417 00:10:43,075 --> 00:10:45,177 YOU KNOW, THINGS THAN I DID WITH 418 00:10:45,177 --> 00:10:46,712 MY OTHER GIRLS JUST BECAUSE 419 00:10:46,712 --> 00:10:50,082 BEING ON THE... THE OUTSIDE, 420 00:10:50,082 --> 00:10:51,150 THERE'S DISTRACTIONS. 421 00:10:51,150 --> 00:10:52,418 THERE'S COMING AND GOING, YOU 422 00:10:52,418 --> 00:10:54,487 KNOW, VERSUS ME AND KHLOE WHERE 423 00:10:54,487 --> 00:10:56,355 IT'S JUST, LIKE, ONE ON ONE, ALL 424 00:10:56,355 --> 00:10:59,191 THE TIME, EVERY DAY. 425 00:10:59,191 --> 00:11:01,093 YOU KNOW, TO BE ABLE TO SHOW HER 426 00:11:01,093 --> 00:11:02,461 SHE'S GOT A MOM WHO LOVES HER 427 00:11:02,461 --> 00:11:03,529 AND IS GOING TO TAKE CARE OF HER 428 00:11:03,529 --> 00:11:04,463 AND BE THERE FOR HER. 429 00:11:04,463 --> 00:11:05,665 I... I DON'T KNOW IF LATER IN 430 00:11:05,665 --> 00:11:07,833 THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, IF WE 431 00:11:07,833 --> 00:11:09,402 DIDN'T HAVE THIS BOND, WHERE OUR 432 00:11:09,402 --> 00:11:10,736 RELATIONSHIP WOULD BE. 433 00:11:10,736 --> 00:11:12,138 BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT'S... 434 00:11:12,138 --> 00:11:14,073 THAT BOND IS GOING TO BE HOW HER 435 00:11:14,073 --> 00:11:16,842 WHOLE LIFE MIGHT TURN OUT. 436 00:11:16,842 --> 00:11:18,411 SOUNDS CRAZY, BUT, YEAH. 437 00:11:18,411 --> 00:11:19,478 >> Reporter: ANGELA TOMLIN SAYS 438 00:11:19,478 --> 00:11:21,313 THAT'S NOT CRAZY AT ALL. 439 00:11:21,313 --> 00:11:22,982 SHE'S A PSYCHOLOGIST AND EXPERT 440 00:11:22,982 --> 00:11:24,617 IN EARLY CHILDHOOD DEVELOPMENT 441 00:11:24,617 --> 00:11:26,285 AT THE INDIANA UNIVERSITY SCHOOL 442 00:11:26,285 --> 00:11:27,353 OF MEDICINE. 443 00:11:27,353 --> 00:11:28,254 >> IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR 444 00:11:28,254 --> 00:11:29,522 KIDS TO HAVE THAT EARLY 445 00:11:29,522 --> 00:11:30,956 ATTACHMENT TO THEIR PARENTS. 446 00:11:30,956 --> 00:11:31,957 >> Reporter: TOMLIN NOTES THAT 447 00:11:31,957 --> 00:11:33,492 THE BRAINS OF INFANTS ARE STILL 448 00:11:33,492 --> 00:11:35,194 DEVELOPING, AND BABIES NEED 449 00:11:35,194 --> 00:11:36,929 CERTAIN SOCIAL EXPERIENCES TO 450 00:11:36,929 --> 00:11:38,597 HELP THEIR BRAINS FORM. 451 00:11:38,597 --> 00:11:39,632 >> AND THAT SOCIAL EXPERIENCE 452 00:11:39,632 --> 00:11:40,933 THAT IS MOST IMPORTANT IS THAT 453 00:11:40,933 --> 00:11:42,535 RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PARENT. 454 00:11:42,535 --> 00:11:43,803 SO, WE NEED, OVER AND OVER 455 00:11:43,803 --> 00:11:45,304 AGAIN, DAY TO DAY, MOMENT-BY- 456 00:11:45,304 --> 00:11:47,239 MOMENT EXPERIENCES OF HAVING 457 00:11:47,239 --> 00:11:49,575 THE PARENT SEE THE BABY, 458 00:11:49,575 --> 00:11:51,110 UNDERSTAND THE BABY'S NEED AND 459 00:11:51,110 --> 00:11:53,145 FULFILL IT OVER TIME. 460 00:11:53,145 --> 00:11:54,213 AND WHAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT 461 00:11:54,213 --> 00:11:55,915 HAPPENS THROUGH THAT PROCESS IS 462 00:11:55,915 --> 00:11:57,917 THAT THE CHILD COMES TO KNOW IN, 463 00:11:57,917 --> 00:11:59,719 LIKE, A REAL WAY THAT THEY ARE 464 00:11:59,719 --> 00:12:01,220 PSYCHOLOGICALLY AND PHYSICALLY 465 00:12:01,220 --> 00:12:02,254 SAFE. 466 00:12:02,254 --> 00:12:03,789 AND THAT SENSE OF SAFETY OR 467 00:12:03,789 --> 00:12:05,224 TRUST IS WHAT WE THINK OF WHEN 468 00:12:05,224 --> 00:12:06,258 WE THINK OF AS A SECURE 469 00:12:06,258 --> 00:12:07,293 ATTACHMENT. 470 00:12:07,293 --> 00:12:09,128 THAT SECURE ATTACHMENT HAS SO 471 00:12:09,128 --> 00:12:10,596 MANY BENEFITS DOWN THE ROAD-- 472 00:12:10,596 --> 00:12:11,864 DOING WELL IN SCHOOL, GETTING 473 00:12:11,864 --> 00:12:13,933 ALONG WITH OTHER PEOPLE AND 474 00:12:13,933 --> 00:12:16,168 REALLY GROWING UP TO BE A 475 00:12:16,168 --> 00:12:17,770 SENSITIVE PARENT THEMSELVES. 476 00:12:17,770 --> 00:12:18,437 >> Reporter: RESEARCHERS AT 477 00:12:18,437 --> 00:12:19,905 COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY COMPARED 478 00:12:19,905 --> 00:12:21,273 BABIES WHO LIVED IN PRISON 479 00:12:21,273 --> 00:12:22,575 NURSERIES TO THOSE RAISED BY 480 00:12:22,575 --> 00:12:24,143 MOTHERS OUTSIDE WITH SIMILAR 481 00:12:24,143 --> 00:12:25,344 RISK FACTORS LIKE DRUG 482 00:12:25,344 --> 00:12:26,378 ADDICTION. 483 00:12:26,378 --> 00:12:27,980 THEY FOUND THAT A LARGER NUMBER 484 00:12:27,980 --> 00:12:29,648 OF THE PRISON-NURSERY BABIES 485 00:12:29,648 --> 00:12:31,684 DEVELOPED SECURE ATTACHMENTS. 486 00:12:31,684 --> 00:12:33,152 ANOTHER COLUMBIA STUDY FOUND 487 00:12:33,152 --> 00:12:35,054 THESE CHILDREN WERE LESS ANXIOUS 488 00:12:35,054 --> 00:12:36,689 AND LESS DEPRESSED ONCE THEY GOT 489 00:12:36,689 --> 00:12:38,491 TO PRESCHOOL COMPARED TO BABIES 490 00:12:38,491 --> 00:12:39,892 WHO'D BEEN SEPARATED FROM THEIR 491 00:12:39,892 --> 00:12:41,727 INCARCERATED MOMS. 492 00:12:41,727 --> 00:12:43,929 AND MOST CHILDREN ARE SEPARATED. 493 00:12:43,929 --> 00:12:45,097 ALL THE MOMS IN THE WEE ONES' 494 00:12:45,097 --> 00:12:46,665 NURSERY AND OF MOST THE OTHER 495 00:12:46,665 --> 00:12:48,400 INMATES HERE HAVE OLDER KIDS 496 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,069 THEY HAD TO LEAVE BEHIND. 497 00:12:50,069 --> 00:12:51,370 >> ANY TIME A CHILD IS SEPARATED 498 00:12:51,370 --> 00:12:52,872 FROM THEIR PARENT, THAT HAS THE 499 00:12:52,872 --> 00:12:54,607 POTENTIAL TO BE EXPERIENCED AS A 500 00:12:54,607 --> 00:12:55,508 TRAUMA. 501 00:12:55,508 --> 00:12:56,709 >> Reporter: TOMLIN SAYS IT CAN 502 00:12:56,709 --> 00:12:57,977 BE ESPECIALLY TRAUMATIC FOR 503 00:12:57,977 --> 00:12:59,278 CHILDREN WHEN A MOTHER GOES TO 504 00:12:59,278 --> 00:13:01,080 PRISON BECAUSE SHE'S USUALLY THE 505 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:02,414 PRIMARY CAREGIVER. 506 00:13:02,414 --> 00:13:03,849 >> SO, IF DAD GOES TO PRISON, 507 00:13:03,849 --> 00:13:05,618 MOM OFTEN IS STILL THERE FOR THE 508 00:13:05,618 --> 00:13:06,585 CHILD. 509 00:13:06,585 --> 00:13:08,154 WHEN MOM GOES TO PRISON, A LOT 510 00:13:08,154 --> 00:13:09,488 OF TIMES IT'S NOT THE DAD WHO'S 511 00:13:09,488 --> 00:13:10,623 AVAILABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THE 512 00:13:10,623 --> 00:13:11,090 CHILD. 513 00:13:11,090 --> 00:13:12,858 IT MAY BE ANOTHER FAMILY MEMBER. 514 00:13:12,858 --> 00:13:14,126 THE CHILD MAY BE IN A FOSTER 515 00:13:14,126 --> 00:13:16,195 CARE SITUATION. 516 00:13:16,195 --> 00:13:16,862 >> Reporter: WHILE KIDS CAN 517 00:13:16,862 --> 00:13:18,264 DEVELOP SECURE ATTACHMENTS TO 518 00:13:18,264 --> 00:13:19,598 OTHER CAREGIVERS, LIKE 519 00:13:19,598 --> 00:13:21,667 GRANDPARENTS, REGULAR VISITS TO 520 00:13:21,667 --> 00:13:22,902 THEIR MOTHERS IN PRISON CAN 521 00:13:22,902 --> 00:13:23,969 HELP, TOO. 522 00:13:23,969 --> 00:13:25,104 >> EVERY TIME HE COMES DOWN 523 00:13:25,104 --> 00:13:26,172 HERE, THAT'S WHAT HE WANTS, IS 524 00:13:26,172 --> 00:13:27,173 THE DINOSAURS. 525 00:13:27,173 --> 00:13:28,007 >> Reporter: THE INDIANA WOMEN'S 526 00:13:28,007 --> 00:13:29,542 PRISON "FAMILY PRESERVATION 527 00:13:29,542 --> 00:13:31,911 PROGRAM" HAS A HUGE PLAY AREA 528 00:13:31,911 --> 00:13:33,145 WHERE VISITING KIDS CAN RUN 529 00:13:33,145 --> 00:13:33,879 FREE. 530 00:13:33,879 --> 00:13:35,014 >> I PERSONALLY PRETTY MUCH JUST 531 00:13:35,014 --> 00:13:37,483 PRETEND LIKE IT'S HOME. 532 00:13:37,483 --> 00:13:38,250 >> Reporter: JESSICA INHOLT 533 00:13:38,250 --> 00:13:39,752 DIDN'T QUALIFY FOR THE WEE ONES' 534 00:13:39,752 --> 00:13:41,587 NURSERY BECAUSE HER SENTENCE FOR 535 00:13:41,587 --> 00:13:43,923 DEALING HEROIN WAS TOO LONG. 536 00:13:43,923 --> 00:13:45,658 BUT HER MOM FAITHFULLY BRINGS 537 00:13:45,658 --> 00:13:47,626 HER TWO-YEAR-OLD SON, TRIPP, TO 538 00:13:47,626 --> 00:13:50,062 VISIT EVERY WEEKEND. 539 00:13:50,062 --> 00:13:51,130 >> YOU KNOW, I SET SNACKS OUT 540 00:13:51,130 --> 00:13:54,900 FOR HIM AND MAKE SURE HE'S NOT 541 00:13:54,900 --> 00:13:55,768 GOING TO HURT HIMSELF PLAYING 542 00:13:55,768 --> 00:13:56,535 AROUND. 543 00:13:56,535 --> 00:13:58,204 BEING A FIRST-TIME MOM AND BEING 544 00:13:58,204 --> 00:14:00,272 IN PRISON, I JUST TRY AND DO THE 545 00:14:00,272 --> 00:14:01,707 BEST THAT I CAN TO LEARN HOW TO 546 00:14:01,707 --> 00:14:04,577 BE A MOM WHILE I'M HERE, SO... 547 00:14:04,577 --> 00:14:05,277 >> Reporter: PLAY ROOMS LIKE 548 00:14:05,277 --> 00:14:07,146 THIS ONE GO A LONG WAY TOWARDS 549 00:14:07,146 --> 00:14:08,280 HELPING MOMS DEVELOP AND 550 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:09,548 MAINTAIN RELATIONSHIPS WITH 551 00:14:09,548 --> 00:14:10,749 THEIR CHILDREN, SAYS ANGELA 552 00:14:10,749 --> 00:14:12,852 TOMLIN, ESPECIALLY COMPARED TO 553 00:14:12,852 --> 00:14:14,820 TYPICAL PRISON VISITING ROOMS 554 00:14:14,820 --> 00:14:16,422 WHERE PRISONERS OFTEN CAN'T HOLD 555 00:14:16,422 --> 00:14:18,157 THEIR CHILDREN OR EVEN MIGHT BE 556 00:14:18,157 --> 00:14:19,658 SITTING BEHIND GLASS. 557 00:14:19,658 --> 00:14:20,593 >> THE CHILD NEEDS TO SEE THE 558 00:14:20,593 --> 00:14:22,494 PARENT AS A CAREGIVER. 559 00:14:22,494 --> 00:14:23,729 SO, WE NEED AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE 560 00:14:23,729 --> 00:14:25,130 THE CHILD CAN BEHAVE IN A 561 00:14:25,130 --> 00:14:26,866 TYPICAL WAY, AND THE PARENT CAN 562 00:14:26,866 --> 00:14:28,500 HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO 563 00:14:28,500 --> 00:14:30,402 THE CHILD IN A TYPICAL WAY. 564 00:14:30,402 --> 00:14:31,971 >> HI, BABY! 565 00:14:31,971 --> 00:14:32,638 >> Reporter: BACK IN THE WEE 566 00:14:32,638 --> 00:14:34,440 ONES' NURSERY BRENDA SINGER 567 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:35,774 STAYS IN TOUCH WITH HER FIVE 568 00:14:35,774 --> 00:14:37,710 OTHER CHILDREN WITH PHONE CALLS. 569 00:14:37,710 --> 00:14:39,778 MOST OF THEM LIVE IN OHIO, TOO 570 00:14:39,778 --> 00:14:41,313 FAR AWAY FOR REGULAR VISITS. 571 00:14:41,313 --> 00:14:43,549 >> AW, YOU GOT A BELLY ACHE? 572 00:14:43,549 --> 00:14:44,350 >> Reporter: SINGER, WHO'S BEEN 573 00:14:44,350 --> 00:14:46,218 INCARCERATED AT LEAST FOUR TIMES 574 00:14:46,218 --> 00:14:48,854 BEFORE, TRIES TO CALL EVERY DAY. 575 00:14:48,854 --> 00:14:51,223 >> I HOPE YOU FEEL BETTER. 576 00:14:51,223 --> 00:14:55,761 I DO WORRY ABOUT THEM HAVING 577 00:14:55,761 --> 00:14:57,796 TRUST WITH ME. 578 00:14:57,796 --> 00:15:00,399 MY OLDEST DAUGHTERS, I HAD QUITE 579 00:15:00,399 --> 00:15:02,201 A BIT OF CONFRONTATION WITH THEM 580 00:15:02,201 --> 00:15:03,769 BECAUSE THEY JUST FELT LIKE, YOU 581 00:15:03,769 --> 00:15:05,571 KNOW, "WE'RE TIRED, MOM. 582 00:15:05,571 --> 00:15:07,106 SO, EITHER GET IT RIGHT THIS 583 00:15:07,106 --> 00:15:09,541 TIME OR, YOU KNOW, LIKE, YOU 584 00:15:09,541 --> 00:15:10,576 KNOW, I... YOU'RE NOT GOING TO 585 00:15:10,576 --> 00:15:12,544 BE MY MOM," PRETTY MUCH IS HOW I 586 00:15:12,544 --> 00:15:13,712 GOT IT. 587 00:15:13,712 --> 00:15:15,147 SO, IT HURTS THEM. 588 00:15:15,147 --> 00:15:16,615 YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY DO WE DO THE 589 00:15:16,615 --> 00:15:17,917 TIME, BUT THEY DO. 590 00:15:17,917 --> 00:15:20,753 SO, WE LET THEM DOWN. 591 00:15:20,753 --> 00:15:22,955 I LET THEM DOWN, I SHOULD SAY. 592 00:15:22,955 --> 00:15:23,656 >> Reporter: DOING TIME IN THE 593 00:15:23,656 --> 00:15:25,324 NURSERY IS SUPPOSED TO GIVE MOMS 594 00:15:25,324 --> 00:15:26,725 THE CHANCE TO TURN THINGS 595 00:15:26,725 --> 00:15:28,661 AROUND, AND PROPONENTS OF THIS 596 00:15:28,661 --> 00:15:30,329 PROGRAM SAY IT CAN HELP MAKE 597 00:15:30,329 --> 00:15:31,563 THAT HAPPEN. 598 00:15:31,563 --> 00:15:33,832 A 2013 STUDY BY THE UNIVERSITY 599 00:15:33,832 --> 00:15:35,567 OF INDIANAPOLIS FOLLOWED WOMEN 600 00:15:35,567 --> 00:15:36,802 WHO SPENT TIME IN THE WEE ONES' 601 00:15:36,802 --> 00:15:37,770 NURSERY. 602 00:15:37,770 --> 00:15:39,204 COMPARED TO WOMEN SEPARATED FROM 603 00:15:39,204 --> 00:15:40,706 THEIR BABIES, THEY WERE ABOUT 604 00:15:40,706 --> 00:15:42,374 HALF AS LIKELY TO RETURN TO 605 00:15:42,374 --> 00:15:43,876 PRISON WITHIN THEIR FIRST YEAR 606 00:15:43,876 --> 00:15:45,010 OF RELEASE. 607 00:15:45,010 --> 00:15:46,211 TO MAKE SURE THE NEW MOMS CAN GO 608 00:15:46,211 --> 00:15:48,047 TO THERAPY AND CLASSES, THERE'S 609 00:15:48,047 --> 00:15:49,782 CHILDCARE PROVIDED BY OTHER, 610 00:15:49,782 --> 00:15:51,417 LOW-LEVEL OFFENDERS WHO LIVE ON 611 00:15:51,417 --> 00:15:53,152 THE UNIT, TOO. 612 00:15:53,152 --> 00:15:54,687 WHILE HER BABY'S LOOKED AFTER, 613 00:15:54,687 --> 00:15:56,322 JAMIE BEAM ATTENDS A COCAINE 614 00:15:56,322 --> 00:15:58,190 ANONYMOUS GROUP, A 12-STEP 615 00:15:58,190 --> 00:15:59,892 PROGRAM AND CULINARY ARTS 616 00:15:59,892 --> 00:16:01,126 CLASSES. 617 00:16:01,126 --> 00:16:02,728 THE PRISON ALSO OFFERS PRENATAL, 618 00:16:02,728 --> 00:16:04,630 POSTNATAL AND PARENTING CLASSES. 619 00:16:04,630 --> 00:16:06,098 >> BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IF I 620 00:16:06,098 --> 00:16:07,666 WEREN'T TO BE WITH HER, I'D 621 00:16:07,666 --> 00:16:09,068 PROBABLY NOT BE ABLE TO WORK ON 622 00:16:09,068 --> 00:16:10,803 MYSELF AS QUICK AS I HAVE BEEN, 623 00:16:10,803 --> 00:16:12,271 JUST BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE I WOULD 624 00:16:12,271 --> 00:16:14,273 BE MISSING A VERY IMPORTANT TIME 625 00:16:14,273 --> 00:16:16,075 OF KHLOE'S LIFE. 626 00:16:16,075 --> 00:16:17,343 >> Reporter: BRENDA SINGER IS 627 00:16:17,343 --> 00:16:18,644 GOING THROUGH A REHABILITATION 628 00:16:18,644 --> 00:16:20,779 PROGRAM HERE, TOO. 629 00:16:20,779 --> 00:16:22,548 YOU'VE BEEN INCARCERATED BEFORE. 630 00:16:22,548 --> 00:16:23,248 >> RIGHT. 631 00:16:23,248 --> 00:16:24,049 >> Reporter: IS THERE SOMETHING 632 00:16:24,049 --> 00:16:26,952 ABOUT THIS TIME, THIS PLACE, 633 00:16:26,952 --> 00:16:28,887 THIS STAY THAT MEANS YOU'RE 634 00:16:28,887 --> 00:16:30,689 GOING TO TURN IT AROUND? 635 00:16:30,689 --> 00:16:33,092 >> OH, YEAH. 636 00:16:33,092 --> 00:16:35,160 I MISSED A LOT. 637 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:36,328 I'M GOING TO MISS MY GRANDSON'S 638 00:16:36,328 --> 00:16:39,465 BIRTH, AND THAT TEARS ME UP. 639 00:16:39,465 --> 00:16:41,834 BUT I MADE THOSE CHOICES. 640 00:16:41,834 --> 00:16:43,669 SO, IF THIS WASN'T A SMACK IN 641 00:16:43,669 --> 00:16:46,472 THE FACE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT 642 00:16:46,472 --> 00:16:47,773 WOULD BE. 643 00:16:47,773 --> 00:16:48,407 >> Reporter: WHEN DORIS IS 644 00:16:48,407 --> 00:16:50,743 OLDER, WHEN SHE'S GROWN UP, WHAT 645 00:16:50,743 --> 00:16:51,577 ARE YOU GOING TO TELL HER ABOUT 646 00:16:51,577 --> 00:16:53,512 THIS CHAPTER OF HER LIFE? 647 00:16:53,512 --> 00:16:56,181 >> THAT MOM... MOM LEARNED A LOT 648 00:16:56,181 --> 00:16:57,516 JUST BY HAVING HER WITH ME. 649 00:16:57,516 --> 00:16:58,951 SHE'S MY COACH. 650 00:16:58,951 --> 00:17:00,085 AS I CALL HER, SHE'S MY BOSS 651 00:17:00,085 --> 00:17:01,587 RIGHT NOW. 652 00:17:01,587 --> 00:17:03,589 AND IT'S... IT'S GREAT BECAUSE I 653 00:17:03,589 --> 00:17:04,123 NEED THAT. 654 00:17:04,123 --> 00:17:07,026 I NEED THAT MENTALLY, TO BE 655 00:17:07,026 --> 00:17:09,194 FIXATED ON WHAT'S IMPORTANT. 656 00:17:09,194 --> 00:17:10,662 AND IT'S NOT ABOUT THE DRUGS. 657 00:17:10,662 --> 00:17:12,865 IT'S NOT ABOUT PILLS OR, YOU 658 00:17:12,865 --> 00:17:15,167 KNOW, ROLLING THE NEXT BLUNT OR 659 00:17:15,167 --> 00:17:16,402 DRINKING MY NEXT DRINK. 660 00:17:16,402 --> 00:17:18,437 IT'S ABOUT DORIS AT THE END OF 661 00:17:18,437 --> 00:17:20,472 THE DAY AND ALL DAY. 662 00:17:20,472 --> 00:17:21,306 IT'S ABOUT HER. 663 00:17:21,306 --> 00:17:23,075 SO, I THINK THAT'S MENTALLY 664 00:17:23,075 --> 00:17:28,480 MAKING ME FIT, YOU KNOW, FOR... 665 00:17:27,579 --> 00:17:38,957 FOR THE OUTSIDE. 666 00:17:38,957 --> 00:17:39,658 >> Sreenivasan: THIS WEEK, THE 667 00:17:39,658 --> 00:17:41,627 MUSIC STREAMING SERVICE SPOTIFY 668 00:17:41,627 --> 00:17:44,063 REMOVED R&B SINGER R. KELLY FROM 669 00:17:44,063 --> 00:17:45,697 ITS PLAYLISTS, WHICH MEANS 670 00:17:45,697 --> 00:17:47,633 FEWER LISTENERS WILL DISCOVER OR 671 00:17:47,633 --> 00:17:48,901 HEAR HIS MUSIC. 672 00:17:48,901 --> 00:17:49,768 WHY R. KELLY? 673 00:17:49,768 --> 00:17:51,470 IN PART, BECAUSE OF THE ONLINE 674 00:17:51,470 --> 00:17:54,206 CAMPAIGN #MuteRKelly. 675 00:17:54,206 --> 00:17:55,140 THERE ARE DEMANDS FOR 676 00:17:55,140 --> 00:17:57,076 INVESTIGATIONS INTO ALLEGATIONS 677 00:17:57,076 --> 00:17:58,877 HE ABUSED WOMEN OF COLOR OVER 678 00:17:58,877 --> 00:18:00,412 THE PAST 20 YEARS. 679 00:18:00,412 --> 00:18:01,747 KELLY PERFORMED LAST NIGHT IN 680 00:18:01,747 --> 00:18:02,548 NORTH CAROLINA. 681 00:18:02,548 --> 00:18:03,615 THE SINGER IS NOT CURRENTLY 682 00:18:03,615 --> 00:18:05,517 CHARGED WITH ANY CRIMES. 683 00:18:05,517 --> 00:18:07,352 SPOTIFY CITED ITS NEW "HATE 684 00:18:07,352 --> 00:18:09,321 CONTENT AND HATEFUL CONDUCT" 685 00:18:09,321 --> 00:18:11,657 POLICY AS JUSTIFICATION, AND 686 00:18:11,657 --> 00:18:12,825 OTHER STREAMING SERVICES HAVE 687 00:18:12,825 --> 00:18:14,426 ALSO REMOVED R. KELLY FROM 688 00:18:14,426 --> 00:18:16,428 PLAYLISTS, ALTHOUGH HIS MUSIC IS 689 00:18:16,428 --> 00:18:18,063 STILL AVAILABLE ON THESE 690 00:18:18,063 --> 00:18:18,831 PLATFORMS. 691 00:18:18,831 --> 00:18:20,332 JOINING ME NOW IS JOAN SOLSMAN, 692 00:18:20,332 --> 00:18:21,667 SENIOR REPORTER FOR "CNET," WHO 693 00:18:21,667 --> 00:18:23,135 IS FOLLOWING THIS ISSUE. 694 00:18:23,135 --> 00:18:24,303 THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY A 695 00:18:24,303 --> 00:18:25,637 CONVERSATION ABOUT R. KELLY, 696 00:18:25,637 --> 00:18:26,972 BUT REALLY ABOUT THE... THE STEP 697 00:18:26,972 --> 00:18:28,640 THAT SPOTIFY HAS TAKEN. 698 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:30,943 WHAT MAKES THIS SUCH A BIG DEAL? 699 00:18:30,943 --> 00:18:33,078 >> WELL, FOR ONE, SPOTIFY IS THE 700 00:18:33,078 --> 00:18:35,247 BIGGEST STREAMING MUSIC SERVICE 701 00:18:35,247 --> 00:18:37,049 AT A TIME WHEN MUSIC STREAMING 702 00:18:37,049 --> 00:18:38,417 IS BECOMING THE MOST POPULAR, 703 00:18:38,417 --> 00:18:39,418 MOST COMMON WAY THAT PEOPLE ARE 704 00:18:39,418 --> 00:18:40,252 LISTENING TO MUSIC. 705 00:18:40,252 --> 00:18:43,188 SO, IT'S A STAKE IN THE GROUND, 706 00:18:43,188 --> 00:18:45,724 A VERY DEFINITIVE STEP THAT IT 707 00:18:45,724 --> 00:18:47,192 WILL MAKE EDITORIAL JUDGMENTS 708 00:18:47,192 --> 00:18:48,827 ABOUT NOT ONLY THE CONTENT OF 709 00:18:48,827 --> 00:18:50,362 MUSIC BUT THE CONDUCT OF THE 710 00:18:50,362 --> 00:18:51,530 ARTIST ITSELF. 711 00:18:51,530 --> 00:18:53,265 AND THOSE JUDGMENTS CAN HAVE 712 00:18:53,265 --> 00:18:54,800 REAL REPERCUSSIONS ON ARTISTS' 713 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:55,701 LIVELIHOOD. 714 00:18:55,701 --> 00:18:56,635 >> Sreenivasan: THERE'S A PART 715 00:18:56,635 --> 00:18:58,070 OF THEIR POLICY THAT I WANT TO 716 00:18:58,070 --> 00:18:58,604 PULL OUT. 717 00:18:58,604 --> 00:18:59,938 IT SAYS, "WHAT ABOUT HATEFUL 718 00:18:59,938 --> 00:19:02,207 CONDUCT BY AN ARTIST?" 719 00:19:01,306 --> 00:19:22,761 IT SAYS: 720 00:19:22,761 --> 00:19:24,663 THAT'S A PORTION OF THIS CONDUCT 721 00:19:24,663 --> 00:19:26,198 POLICY THAT THEY CHANGED. 722 00:19:26,198 --> 00:19:27,933 THAT SEEMS WELL AND GOOD, BUT 723 00:19:27,933 --> 00:19:30,369 WHAT IS THE THRESHOLD FOR WHEN 724 00:19:30,369 --> 00:19:32,004 IT'S DETERMINED THAT SOMEONE 725 00:19:32,004 --> 00:19:32,938 ACTUALLY DID SOMETHING? 726 00:19:32,938 --> 00:19:34,139 IF HE HASN'T BEEN CONVICTED OF A 727 00:19:34,139 --> 00:19:36,275 CRIME, USUALLY YOU CAN SAY, 728 00:19:36,275 --> 00:19:36,975 "WELL, THIS IS A CRIMINAL 729 00:19:36,975 --> 00:19:37,442 CONVICTION. 730 00:19:37,442 --> 00:19:38,610 A JURY OF YOUR PEERS HAVE FOUND 731 00:19:38,610 --> 00:19:40,245 THAT YOU DID THIS WRONG." 732 00:19:40,245 --> 00:19:41,246 THIS ISN'T THAT. 733 00:19:41,246 --> 00:19:41,847 >> EXACTLY. 734 00:19:41,847 --> 00:19:43,649 THAT'S WHY IT'S INTERESTING. 735 00:19:43,649 --> 00:19:45,050 R. KELLY HASN'T HAD A CRIMINAL 736 00:19:45,050 --> 00:19:45,584 CONVICTION. 737 00:19:45,584 --> 00:19:46,418 HE'S NOT CHARGED WITH ANYTHING 738 00:19:46,418 --> 00:19:47,152 RIGHT NOW. 739 00:19:47,152 --> 00:19:48,253 AND THERE'S ANOTHER ARTIST THAT 740 00:19:48,253 --> 00:19:49,655 THEY HAVE ALSO SAID AT THE SAME 741 00:19:49,655 --> 00:19:50,556 TIME THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO 742 00:19:50,556 --> 00:19:51,590 BE PROMOTING. 743 00:19:51,590 --> 00:19:53,659 HE HASN'T BEEN CONVICTED OF ANY 744 00:19:53,659 --> 00:19:55,027 CRIME, EITHER. 745 00:19:55,027 --> 00:19:56,295 SO, WHAT IT DOES, EVEN THOUGH IT 746 00:19:56,295 --> 00:19:57,930 MAKES A FIRM STAKE IN THE GROUND 747 00:19:57,930 --> 00:19:59,631 THAT SPOTIFY IS WILLING TO EXERT 748 00:19:59,631 --> 00:20:00,899 THIS EDITORIAL JUDGMENT, IT 749 00:20:00,899 --> 00:20:02,401 MUDDIES THE WATERS ABOUT WHAT 750 00:20:02,401 --> 00:20:03,669 THAT JUDGMENT IS AND HOW THEY'RE 751 00:20:03,669 --> 00:20:04,369 GOING TO BE APPLYING IT. 752 00:20:04,369 --> 00:20:05,103 >> Sreenivasan: AND WHAT KIND OF 753 00:20:05,103 --> 00:20:06,205 REVENUE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT 754 00:20:06,205 --> 00:20:07,573 WHEN... I MEAN, ON THE ONE HAND, 755 00:20:07,573 --> 00:20:08,640 ARTISTS ALWAYS COMPLAIN THAT 756 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:09,575 THEY'RE GETTING SUCH LITTLE 757 00:20:09,575 --> 00:20:10,309 MONEY FROM ROYALTY. 758 00:20:10,309 --> 00:20:11,543 BUT IF YOU'RE NOT SOMEBODY WHO'S 759 00:20:11,543 --> 00:20:12,744 LIKE R. KELLY AND WHO'S STILL 760 00:20:12,744 --> 00:20:15,480 TOURING, HOW MUCH DOES SPOTIFY 761 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:16,815 ACTUALLY END UP HELPING YOUR 762 00:20:16,815 --> 00:20:17,482 MUSIC? 763 00:20:17,482 --> 00:20:19,518 >> SPOTIFY IS NOT CRITICAL, BUT 764 00:20:19,518 --> 00:20:20,719 IT'S A CRUCIAL ELEMENT TO AN 765 00:20:20,719 --> 00:20:22,187 ARTIST'S LIVELIHOOD, ESPECIALLY 766 00:20:22,187 --> 00:20:26,024 AS CONSUMPTION OF MUSIC MIGRATES 767 00:20:26,024 --> 00:20:27,859 OVER TO STREAMING RATHER THAN 768 00:20:27,859 --> 00:20:29,294 GETTING AN iTUNES DOWNLOAD OR 769 00:20:29,294 --> 00:20:31,063 BUYING A CD. 770 00:20:31,063 --> 00:20:32,531 TOURING, OF COURSE, IS A GIANT 771 00:20:32,531 --> 00:20:33,899 ELEMENT TO HOW... HOW ARTISTS 772 00:20:33,899 --> 00:20:34,366 MAKE MONEY. 773 00:20:34,366 --> 00:20:36,668 BUT THAT RECURRING REVENUE COMES 774 00:20:36,668 --> 00:20:39,972 FROM, MORE OFTEN, STREAMING. 775 00:20:39,972 --> 00:20:42,641 AND IN THE CASE OF SPOTIFY, IT'S 776 00:20:42,641 --> 00:20:44,176 THE BIGGEST STREAMING 777 00:20:44,176 --> 00:20:45,444 SUBSCRIPTION SERVICE. 778 00:20:45,444 --> 00:20:47,112 AND ITS SUBSCRIPTIONS PAY A LOT 779 00:20:47,112 --> 00:20:49,281 BETTER THAN IF YOU WERE TO 780 00:20:49,281 --> 00:20:51,216 STREAM AN R. KELLY SONG ON 781 00:20:51,216 --> 00:20:52,618 YOUTUBE AND JUST WATCH THE 782 00:20:52,618 --> 00:20:54,987 VIDEO-- "WATCH THE VIDEO"-- BUT 783 00:20:54,987 --> 00:20:55,854 LISTEN TO THE SONG. 784 00:20:55,854 --> 00:20:58,290 THAT PAYS A LOT LESS THAN WHAT 785 00:20:58,290 --> 00:20:59,825 YOU WOULD GET PAID AS AN ARTIST 786 00:20:59,825 --> 00:21:02,060 IF A SUBSCRIBER LISTENS TO YOUR 787 00:21:02,060 --> 00:21:02,628 MUSIC. 788 00:21:02,628 --> 00:21:03,395 >> Sreenivasan: THERE'S A LONG 789 00:21:03,395 --> 00:21:06,898 LIST OF ARTISTS WHOSE BEHAVIOR 790 00:21:06,898 --> 00:21:09,301 WE HAVE EITHER TOLERATED OR SET 791 00:21:09,301 --> 00:21:11,637 ASIDE TO ENJOY THEIR MUSIC, 792 00:21:11,637 --> 00:21:11,970 RIGHT? 793 00:21:11,970 --> 00:21:15,073 SO, WHAT IS THE... KIND OF HOW 794 00:21:15,073 --> 00:21:16,408 FAR BACK DO THEY GO? 795 00:21:16,408 --> 00:21:18,410 IS SPOTIFY WILLING TO PUT ALL OF 796 00:21:18,410 --> 00:21:20,245 THESE DIFFERENT ARTISTS AND ALL 797 00:21:20,245 --> 00:21:21,747 OF THAT MUSIC OFF OF THEIR 798 00:21:21,747 --> 00:21:22,814 PLAYLISTS IF THAT'S THE STEP 799 00:21:22,814 --> 00:21:24,216 THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO TAKE? 800 00:21:24,216 --> 00:21:24,950 >> THESE POPULAR PLAYLISTS, THEY 801 00:21:24,950 --> 00:21:26,318 CAN MAKE AND BREAK ARTISTS. 802 00:21:26,318 --> 00:21:28,353 AND SO, IF SPOTIFY IS GOING TO 803 00:21:28,353 --> 00:21:33,792 USE CONDUCT AS A DECISION-MAKING 804 00:21:33,792 --> 00:21:35,761 TOOL IN WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT 805 00:21:35,761 --> 00:21:38,263 TO PROMOTE AN ARTIST, THEN IT... 806 00:21:38,263 --> 00:21:39,865 IT RAISES QUESTIONS ABOUT WILL 807 00:21:39,865 --> 00:21:42,334 THE ARTISTS THAT BECOME HUGE BE 808 00:21:42,334 --> 00:21:43,135 DIFFERENT? 809 00:21:43,135 --> 00:21:44,436 WILL WE HAVE DIFFERENT ART 810 00:21:44,436 --> 00:21:45,470 BECAUSE OF THESE DECISIONS. 811 00:21:45,470 --> 00:21:46,104 >> Sreenivasan: ALL RIGHT. 812 00:21:46,104 --> 00:21:46,738 THESE ARE ALL IMPORTANT 813 00:21:46,738 --> 00:21:47,272 QUESTIONS. 814 00:21:47,272 --> 00:21:48,106 JOAN SOLSMAN FROM CNET, THANKS 815 00:21:48,106 --> 00:21:49,608 SO MUCH FOR JOINING US. 816 00:21:48,707 --> 00:21:51,310 >> THANK YOU. 817 00:21:51,310 --> 00:21:51,977 >> Sreenivasan: FOR A LONGER 818 00:21:51,977 --> 00:21:53,378 CONVERSATION ON MUSIC STREAMING 819 00:21:53,378 --> 00:21:54,913 SERVICES AND "HATE CONTENT," 820 00:21:54,913 --> 00:21:58,450 VISIT OUR FACEBOOK PAGE AT 821 00:21:56,315 --> 00:22:03,689 facebook.com/newshour. 822 00:22:03,689 --> 00:22:07,192 >> THIS IS PBS NEWSHOUR WEEKEND, 823 00:22:06,258 --> 00:22:11,863 SATURDAY. 824 00:22:11,863 --> 00:22:12,597 >> Sreenivasan: A BRITISH-BASED 825 00:22:12,597 --> 00:22:13,699 HUMAN RIGHTS GROUP SAYS THE 826 00:22:13,699 --> 00:22:15,167 ISRAELI AIR STRIKES ON MILITARY 827 00:22:15,167 --> 00:22:16,301 TARGETS IN SYRIA THIS WEEK 828 00:22:16,301 --> 00:22:18,403 KILLED 42 PEOPLE, INCLUDING 19 829 00:22:18,403 --> 00:22:19,338 IRANIANS. 830 00:22:19,338 --> 00:22:20,872 ISRAEL SAID IT ATTACKED 831 00:22:20,872 --> 00:22:22,307 SUSPECTED IRANIAN MILITARY 832 00:22:22,307 --> 00:22:24,609 OUTPOSTS IN SYRIA IN RESPONSE TO 833 00:22:24,609 --> 00:22:26,244 WHAT THEY SAY WAS A BARRAGE OF 834 00:22:26,244 --> 00:22:28,547 IRANIAN ROCKETS LAUNCHED INTO 835 00:22:28,547 --> 00:22:29,748 THE ISRAELI-OCCUPIED GOLAN 836 00:22:29,748 --> 00:22:31,550 HEIGHTS THE DAY BEFORE. 837 00:22:31,550 --> 00:22:32,884 GERMAN CHANCELLOR ANGELA MERKEL 838 00:22:32,884 --> 00:22:33,985 VISITED THE BASILICA OF ST. 839 00:22:33,985 --> 00:22:36,421 FRANCIS IN ASSISI, ITALY, TODAY, 840 00:22:36,421 --> 00:22:37,222 WHERE SHE RECEIVED THE 841 00:22:37,222 --> 00:22:39,091 FRANCISCAN ORDER'S "LAMP OF 842 00:22:39,091 --> 00:22:40,926 PEACE" FOR HER WORK PROTECTING 843 00:22:40,926 --> 00:22:42,728 SYRIAN WAR REFUGEES. 844 00:22:42,728 --> 00:22:43,862 CHANCELLOR MERKEL CALLED THE 845 00:22:43,862 --> 00:22:45,230 CIVIL WAR IN SYRIA "ONE OF THE 846 00:22:45,230 --> 00:22:47,065 GREATEST HUMANITARIAN CRISES OF 847 00:22:47,065 --> 00:22:48,166 OUR TIME" AND CALLED ON THE 848 00:22:48,166 --> 00:22:49,768 INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY TO HELP 849 00:22:49,768 --> 00:22:50,836 END THE WAR. 850 00:22:50,836 --> 00:22:51,603 SHE SAID PRESIDENT TRUMP'S 851 00:22:51,603 --> 00:22:53,105 DECISION TO PULL OUT OF THE IRAN 852 00:22:53,105 --> 00:22:54,606 NUCLEAR DEAL MAKES THE MIDDLE 853 00:22:54,606 --> 00:22:55,941 EAST SITUATION "EVEN MORE 854 00:22:55,941 --> 00:22:57,075 DIFFICULT." 855 00:22:57,075 --> 00:22:58,377 IN YEMEN, OFFICIALS SAY AT LEAST 856 00:22:58,377 --> 00:23:00,879 115 PEOPLE WERE KILLED OVER TWO 857 00:23:00,879 --> 00:23:02,447 DAYS OF FIGHTING THIS WEEK IN 858 00:23:02,447 --> 00:23:04,082 THE WESTERN PART OF THE COUNTRY. 859 00:23:04,082 --> 00:23:05,250 AT LEAST FIVE CIVILIANS WERE 860 00:23:05,250 --> 00:23:06,385 KILLED BY MISSILE STRIKES IN THE 861 00:23:06,385 --> 00:23:07,853 NORTHWESTERN CITY OF SAADA ON 862 00:23:07,853 --> 00:23:08,620 THURSDAY. 863 00:23:08,620 --> 00:23:10,188 THIS CAME A DAY AFTER THE 864 00:23:10,188 --> 00:23:11,456 HOUTHIS, WHO CONTROL MUCH OF 865 00:23:11,456 --> 00:23:12,791 WESTERN YEMEN, INCLUDING THE 866 00:23:12,791 --> 00:23:14,025 NATION'S CAPITAL, CLAIMED 867 00:23:14,025 --> 00:23:15,560 RESPONSIBILITY FOR LAUNCHING 868 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:16,862 MISSILES AT SAUDI ARABIA'S 869 00:23:16,862 --> 00:23:18,330 CAPITAL OF RIYADH. 870 00:23:18,330 --> 00:23:20,298 THE IRAN-ALLIED HOUTHIS ARE 871 00:23:20,298 --> 00:23:21,833 FIGHTING A U.S.-BACKED, 872 00:23:21,833 --> 00:23:23,802 SAUDI-LED MILITARY COALITION 873 00:23:23,802 --> 00:23:25,370 THAT SUPPORTS THE GOVERNMENT OF 874 00:23:25,370 --> 00:23:27,539 YEMEN'S EXILED PRESIDENT. 875 00:23:27,539 --> 00:23:29,274 A GUN AND MACHETE ATTACK IN THE 876 00:23:29,274 --> 00:23:30,709 EAST AFRICAN NATION OF BURUNDI 877 00:23:30,709 --> 00:23:32,544 HAS LEFT 26 PEOPLE DEAD AND 878 00:23:32,544 --> 00:23:33,712 SEVEN OTHERS WOUNDED. 879 00:23:33,712 --> 00:23:35,113 THE ATTACK HAPPENED LATE LAST 880 00:23:35,113 --> 00:23:36,348 NIGHT IN A SMALL VILLAGE AND 881 00:23:36,348 --> 00:23:37,883 COMES LESS THAN A WEEK BEFORE A 882 00:23:37,883 --> 00:23:39,317 SCHEDULED REFERENDUM ON A 883 00:23:39,317 --> 00:23:41,019 CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT THAT 884 00:23:41,019 --> 00:23:42,821 WOULD EXTEND PRESIDENTIAL TERMS 885 00:23:42,821 --> 00:23:44,856 FROM FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS. 886 00:23:44,856 --> 00:23:46,258 OFFICIALS ARE NOT RULING OUT 887 00:23:46,258 --> 00:23:47,893 VOTER INTIMIDATION IN LAST 888 00:23:47,893 --> 00:23:49,027 NIGHT'S ASSAULT. 889 00:23:49,027 --> 00:23:50,295 WHEN BURUNDI'S PRESIDENT, PIERRE 890 00:23:50,295 --> 00:23:52,063 NKURUNZIZA, RAN FOR A THIRD TERM 891 00:23:52,063 --> 00:23:53,899 IN 2015, HIS VICTORY WAS MET 892 00:23:53,899 --> 00:23:55,500 WITH VIOLENT OPPOSITION. 893 00:23:55,500 --> 00:23:56,868 A "YES" VOTE WOULD ALLOW 894 00:23:56,868 --> 00:23:58,770 NKURUNZIZA TO RUN FOR TWO MORE 895 00:23:58,770 --> 00:24:00,472 CONSECUTIVE TERMS, POSSIBLY 896 00:24:00,472 --> 00:24:03,742 EXTENDING HIS RULE TO THE YEAR 897 00:24:02,140 --> 00:24:12,284 2034. 898 00:24:12,284 --> 00:24:13,051 >> Sreenivasan: AND A REMINDER 899 00:24:13,051 --> 00:24:14,319 TO JOIN US ON PBS NEWSHOUR 900 00:24:14,319 --> 00:24:15,821 WEEKEND SUNDAY FOR PART TWO OF 901 00:24:15,821 --> 00:24:16,955 MEGAN THOMPSON'S REPORT FROM 902 00:24:16,955 --> 00:24:19,057 INDIANA ON INCARCERATED PARENTS 903 00:24:19,057 --> 00:24:20,292 AND THEIR CHILDREN. 904 00:24:20,292 --> 00:24:21,893 TOMORROW, MENTORING THE KIDS 905 00:24:21,893 --> 00:24:23,662 LEFT BEHIND WHEN PARENTS GO TO 906 00:24:23,662 --> 00:24:24,229 PRISON. 907 00:24:24,229 --> 00:24:25,163 >> JOSH, HE WORKS. 908 00:24:25,163 --> 00:24:26,264 HE GOES TO SCHOOL. 909 00:24:26,264 --> 00:24:27,833 THAT IS BEING THE INFLUENCE THAT 910 00:24:27,833 --> 00:24:28,500 HE NEEDS. 911 00:24:28,500 --> 00:24:29,234 >> WOULD IT MAKE YOU FEEL BETTER 912 00:24:29,234 --> 00:24:30,635 IF I TOLD YOU I HAD TO DO 913 00:24:30,635 --> 00:24:32,404 HOMEWORK ON SPRING BREAK, TOO? 914 00:24:32,404 --> 00:24:33,071 >> YEAH. 915 00:24:33,071 --> 00:24:33,905 >> YEAH? 916 00:24:33,905 --> 00:24:34,706 >> Sreenivasan: THAT'S ALL FOR 917 00:24:34,706 --> 00:24:35,674 THIS EDITION OF PBS NEWSHOUR 918 00:24:35,674 --> 00:24:36,208 WEEKEND. 919 00:24:36,208 --> 00:24:37,142 I'M HARI SREENIVASAN. 920 00:24:37,142 --> 00:24:38,710 THANKS FOR WATCHING. 921 00:24:37,809 --> 00:24:38,743 HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.