1 00:00:01,933 --> 00:00:05,066 JUDY WOODRUFF: Today, Ambassador John Bolton gave his first official speech as President 2 00:00:05,066 --> 00:00:07,433 Trump's national security adviser. 3 00:00:07,433 --> 00:00:12,166 Bolton spoke to the Federalist Society, the conservative and libertarian organization. 4 00:00:12,166 --> 00:00:15,900 And he took aim at the International Criminal Court. 5 00:00:15,900 --> 00:00:20,433 But Bolton also targeted the Palestine Liberation Organization. 6 00:00:20,433 --> 00:00:24,533 And he announced the closure the PLO's office in Washington. 7 00:00:24,533 --> 00:00:27,466 Our foreign affairs correspondent, Nick Schifrin, was in the room. 8 00:00:27,466 --> 00:00:28,733 And he joins us now. 9 00:00:28,733 --> 00:00:31,700 So, Nick, why are they closing the PLO office? 10 00:00:31,700 --> 00:00:35,266 NICK SCHIFRIN: The main reason that Ambassador Bolton and the State Department said today 11 00:00:35,266 --> 00:00:39,033 was Palestinians' use of the International Criminal Court, the ICC. 12 00:00:39,033 --> 00:00:44,000 The ICC is based in The Hague and is designed to tackle some of humanity's toughest challenges, 13 00:00:45,233 --> 00:00:47,300 war crimes, crimes against humanity. 14 00:00:47,300 --> 00:00:51,766 The Palestinians have said that they would go to the ICC over Israeli settlements in 15 00:00:54,166 --> 00:00:57,333 the West Bank, over seizure of Israeli property, over what Palestinian officials call Israelis' 16 00:00:57,333 --> 00:00:59,866 use of force inside of the West Bank. 17 00:00:59,866 --> 00:01:02,433 That's number one. 18 00:01:02,433 --> 00:01:05,866 Number two reason why the U.S. says that it's closing the PLO office here is that the Palestinians 19 00:01:07,433 --> 00:01:09,533 aren't being helpful when it comes to peace talks and peace efforts. 20 00:01:09,533 --> 00:01:14,066 Jason Greenblatt and Jared Kushner, the two advisers to President Trump who are creating 21 00:01:14,066 --> 00:01:19,066 a peace plan, the Palestinians have refused to meet them since the U.S. moved the embassy 22 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,633 from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem a few months ago. 23 00:01:22,633 --> 00:01:27,433 And they have also been disparaging some of the work that the two of them have done, even 24 00:01:27,433 --> 00:01:29,433 though that work isn't done. 25 00:01:29,433 --> 00:01:33,166 And so what you heard Bolton say today is that, one, the ICC, the International Criminal 26 00:01:33,166 --> 00:01:38,166 Court, shouldn't be investigating what he called Israeli housing projects, not settlements, 27 00:01:40,233 --> 00:01:43,500 and, two, that the -- that the office here in Washington had blocked efforts toward peace. 28 00:01:43,500 --> 00:01:46,933 JOHN BOLTON, U.S. National Security Adviser: The Trump administration will not keep the 29 00:01:46,933 --> 00:01:51,900 office open when the Palestinians refuse to take steps to start direct and meaningful 30 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:54,733 negotiations with Israel. 31 00:01:54,733 --> 00:01:59,300 The United States supports a direct and robust peace process. 32 00:01:59,300 --> 00:02:04,266 And we will not allow the ICC or any other organization to constrain Israel's right to 33 00:02:05,300 --> 00:02:07,333 self-defense. 34 00:02:07,333 --> 00:02:10,966 NICK SCHIFRIN: I talked to Ambassador Husam Zomlot, the ambassador to the U.S. for the 35 00:02:10,966 --> 00:02:12,433 Palestinians. 36 00:02:12,433 --> 00:02:14,066 He said: Look, this is not going to change our behavior. 37 00:02:14,066 --> 00:02:16,500 We are going to take the Israelis to the ICC. 38 00:02:16,500 --> 00:02:21,000 And we're going to continue not to help Jared Kushner and Jason Greenblatt's peace effort. 39 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:26,000 And he later released a statement, saying: "We stand firm in our decision not to cooperate 40 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,433 in this ongoing campaign to liquidate our rights and cause. 41 00:02:30,433 --> 00:02:32,000 Our rights or not for sale. 42 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,300 We will block any attempts at booing and blackmailing us." 43 00:02:35,300 --> 00:02:39,233 JUDY WOODRUFF: So, Nick, this reveals not just frustration about what's going on right 44 00:02:39,233 --> 00:02:42,233 now, but longstanding frustrations with the Palestinians. 45 00:02:42,233 --> 00:02:45,666 NICK SCHIFRIN: Longstanding frustrations and real frustrations with the Trump administration 46 00:02:45,666 --> 00:02:50,700 over the last few months, one, the move of the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, and 47 00:02:50,700 --> 00:02:53,700 President Trump saying, well, we took Jerusalem off the table. 48 00:02:53,700 --> 00:02:58,133 Palestinians, of course, want Jerusalem, East Jerusalem as a future capital. 49 00:02:58,133 --> 00:03:03,100 Number two, $200 million in humanitarian aid being canceled by the U.S. administration 50 00:03:04,966 --> 00:03:08,033 that went to things like hospitals in East Jerusalem that provided cancer treatment, 51 00:03:08,033 --> 00:03:10,066 for example. 52 00:03:10,066 --> 00:03:13,233 The Palestinian Authority can't provide that treatment, and those hospitals have lost that 53 00:03:13,233 --> 00:03:15,300 money. 54 00:03:15,300 --> 00:03:19,033 And, number three, $300 million for UNRWA, the U.N. agency that helps Palestinian refugees, 55 00:03:19,033 --> 00:03:24,033 again, providing schools, health care, things that no one else in the West Bank or Gaza 56 00:03:24,966 --> 00:03:27,033 can provide. 57 00:03:27,033 --> 00:03:30,566 Now, U.S. and Israel say that those UNRWA schools, those U.N. schools, were being used 58 00:03:30,566 --> 00:03:35,566 by Hamas to house rockets, and also that that organization was kind of skewing the definition 59 00:03:37,500 --> 00:03:39,466 of a refugee. 60 00:03:39,466 --> 00:03:43,900 In the past, the U.S. has provided aid and separately hoped for a political solution. 61 00:03:45,900 --> 00:03:50,600 Palestinians believe that this is the U.S. taking away aid to blackmail them and force 62 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:52,066 them toward a political solution. 63 00:03:52,066 --> 00:03:54,766 JUDY WOODRUFF: So where does this negotiation stand? 64 00:03:54,766 --> 00:03:56,366 We haven't seen any peace plan, have we? 65 00:03:56,366 --> 00:03:58,400 NICK SCHIFRIN: We have not seen any peace plan. 66 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,966 U.S. officials are hoping to release something by the end of the year. 67 00:04:01,966 --> 00:04:04,000 And they describe a different approach. 68 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:08,966 Rather than a blueprint for talks, negotiation between two sides, they really are going to 69 00:04:10,266 --> 00:04:12,866 release a robust, significant long peace plan. 70 00:04:12,866 --> 00:04:17,633 And a lot of it has to do with economic incentives for the Palestinians, rather necessarily than 71 00:04:18,733 --> 00:04:21,366 answering every Palestinian grievance. 72 00:04:21,366 --> 00:04:24,466 JUDY WOODRUFF: So you were saying that Bolton spent most of his time talking about the International 73 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:26,400 Criminal Court, the ICC. 74 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,200 What is this -- what's behind this? 75 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,066 NICK SCHIFRIN: This is part of John Bolton's world view. 76 00:04:31,066 --> 00:04:36,066 It really is, that states are the most important body in the international arena, and states 77 00:04:38,466 --> 00:04:41,600 should never give up any sovereignty ever, especially to any kind of international organization. 78 00:04:43,066 --> 00:04:46,300 And the way to have influence in the world is not through allies. 79 00:04:46,300 --> 00:04:48,300 It's not through alliances. 80 00:04:48,300 --> 00:04:52,566 It's not through influence and multilateral institutions, but, as he put it today, power. 81 00:04:54,466 --> 00:04:57,600 JOHN BOLTON: The hard men of history or not deterred by fantasies of international law, 82 00:04:59,466 --> 00:05:01,600 such as the ICC. 83 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:06,466 Time and again, history has proven that the only deterrent to evil and atrocity is what 84 00:05:08,466 --> 00:05:12,366 Franklin Roosevelt once called the righteous might of the United States and its allies. 85 00:05:13,466 --> 00:05:15,133 JUDY WOODRUFF: That's pretty direct. 86 00:05:15,133 --> 00:05:16,533 So how does that play out in policy? 87 00:05:16,533 --> 00:05:19,333 NICK SCHIFRIN: It hasn't changed policy dramatically yet. 88 00:05:19,333 --> 00:05:24,300 But we are seeing Bolton's ideology play out across the administration's foreign policy 89 00:05:24,300 --> 00:05:29,300 priorities, threatening the use of force against Syrian President Assad and his ally Russia 90 00:05:31,300 --> 00:05:35,400 if there's another chemical weapons attack inside of Syria, threatening European countries, 91 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:40,200 European allies, if they try and help Iran, basically calling their bluff, saying that 92 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:45,200 they don't have the military, economic or political way to convince Iran to stay inside 93 00:05:45,933 --> 00:05:46,733 the nuclear deal. 94 00:05:46,733 --> 00:05:48,766 And in North Korea. 95 00:05:48,766 --> 00:05:52,733 North Korea needs to give up all of its nuclear weapons before the U.S. gives in very much. 96 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:55,633 That is Bolton's philosophy. 97 00:05:55,633 --> 00:05:58,733 North Korea and, frankly, South Korean officials say: That's not how it should work. 98 00:05:58,733 --> 00:06:00,533 We will take steps if you take steps. 99 00:06:00,533 --> 00:06:02,200 That's what the Koreans say. 100 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,800 That's not a philosophy that John Bolton adheres to. 101 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:05,800 JUDY WOODRUFF: Nick Schifrin, we thank you. 102 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:05,933 NICK SCHIFRIN: Thank you.