WEBVTT 00:01.400 --> 00:02.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - [Voice Over] This program was made possible 00:02.600 --> 00:03.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% by contributions to your PBS station 00:03.833 --> 00:06.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% from viewers like you, thank you. 00:07.500 --> 00:09.000 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - This is now a standard 00:09.000 --> 00:11.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% on all the interviews the moving sideways camera. 00:11.266 --> 00:13.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Yeah. - But I always find it odd 00:13.066 --> 00:15.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to cut to someone who's not talking, 00:15.133 --> 00:16.800 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% who'd be talking into camera. 00:16.800 --> 00:18.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - But you know, you've always struggled. 00:18.200 --> 00:19.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Remember when you struggled with the talkies, 00:19.866 --> 00:21.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% when the talkies given you were always, 00:21.766 --> 00:23.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - I had to work on my voice (mumbles). 00:23.800 --> 00:25.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Then don't keep looking at him remember we're being taped. 00:25.633 --> 00:26.700 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - Argh, just relax. 00:26.700 --> 00:27.633 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - Okay. 00:27.633 --> 00:30.800 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% (bright upbeat music) 00:35.333 --> 00:38.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Hi everyone, this is Beyond The Canvas. 00:38.000 --> 00:40.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% From PBS News Hour, I'm Amna Nawaz. 00:40.733 --> 00:43.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% In this episode, we'll meet masters 00:43.133 --> 00:47.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% of the art of movie-making, Oscar winners and nominees. 00:47.000 --> 00:50.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% You'll hear from comedy icon, Steve Martin and Martin Short, 00:50.900 --> 00:52.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% costume designer, Ruth Carter, 00:52.933 --> 00:56.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% documentarians, Jimmy Chin and Chai Vasarhelyi 00:56.100 --> 00:58.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and legendary actress, Rita Moreno. 00:58.966 --> 01:00.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% On this episode, you'll meet the people 01:00.700 --> 01:03.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% in front of the camera and behind it. 01:03.533 --> 01:05.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Comedian Steve Martin knows all too well 01:05.933 --> 01:08.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% the highs and lows of the Oscars. 01:08.433 --> 01:10.100 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% He's hosted three times 01:10.100 --> 01:13.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and picked up an honorary award in 2013. 01:13.233 --> 01:15.233 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% His enduring legacy in Hollywood 01:15.233 --> 01:17.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% is matched by his lifelong friendship 01:17.533 --> 01:19.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% with fellow comedian Martin Short. 01:19.800 --> 01:22.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% They recently teamed up for a Netflix special called, 01:22.600 --> 01:24.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Now You See Them, Soon You Won't. 01:24.900 --> 01:27.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% My colleague, Steve Goldbloom sat down with them 01:27.500 --> 01:31.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% for this special edition of brief, but spectacular. 01:31.300 --> 01:33.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - It's hard to make a career in show business, 01:33.266 --> 01:36.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% possibly even harder to sustain a career in show business. 01:36.433 --> 01:40.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Did you ever think that you would be relevant for this long? 01:41.233 --> 01:42.866 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - I guess he's talking to me. 01:42.866 --> 01:44.633 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% (Laughing) 01:44.633 --> 01:46.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Lemme just say Steve, what an honor it is, 01:46.700 --> 01:49.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% for me to be standing next to a man who is a novelist, 01:49.533 --> 01:52.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% a playwright, a musician, a composer, 01:52.233 --> 01:53.866 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and a legendary comedian. 01:53.866 --> 01:56.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - And let me say, what an honor it is for me 01:56.733 --> 01:58.666 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% to be standing next to the man 01:58.666 --> 02:00.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% who is standing next to that man. 02:00.766 --> 02:02.133 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% (audience laughing) 02:02.133 --> 02:03.666 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - Seeing you work together, 02:03.666 --> 02:05.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% it feels like it commands the attention the same way 02:05.100 --> 02:07.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% like an Oscar's monologue commands attention. 02:07.400 --> 02:10.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And then you slow things down and you become reflective 02:10.000 --> 02:11.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and you're talking about each other's work. 02:11.500 --> 02:14.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Tell me about the design of your special in your tour. 02:14.533 --> 02:16.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - This was a real moment for both of us, 02:16.333 --> 02:19.800 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% when we were totally rehearsed, 02:19.800 --> 02:21.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% we'd done the show a hundred times, 02:21.666 --> 02:26.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% everything was just in its beautiful little comedic place. 02:26.033 --> 02:28.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - You know, it was a work in progress as we developed it... 02:28.700 --> 02:29.933 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - And still is. 02:29.933 --> 02:30.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - I mean, there would be times we'd think, 02:30.900 --> 02:32.166 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% jeez, should we cut the chat? 02:32.166 --> 02:34.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% It's a chat slow it down and someone else to say, 02:34.433 --> 02:36.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% "No, no, no, that's like having dinner with you guys." 02:36.900 --> 02:39.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - The banjo that helps slow things down a little bit. 02:39.566 --> 02:40.800 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - Yeah, lemme get it. 02:40.800 --> 02:43.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - No, no, no, no, he just mentioned it. 02:43.033 --> 02:45.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Just 'cause you mentioned a banjo doesn't mean (mumbles). 02:45.066 --> 02:46.033 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - I gotta back of the apartment. 02:46.033 --> 02:47.500 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - No, no, no. 02:47.500 --> 02:48.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Steve what is your relationship to the banjo, 02:48.900 --> 02:51.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Martin what is your relationship to Steve's banjo? 02:51.366 --> 02:53.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - I dated Steve's banjo for many years. 02:53.566 --> 02:55.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - I started playing in the sixties. 02:55.166 --> 02:56.866 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I've been playing for 55 years. 02:56.866 --> 02:58.566 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I know I should be better. 02:58.566 --> 03:00.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% You know, we're in show business, 03:00.100 --> 03:01.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% but I have another life as a musician. 03:01.866 --> 03:03.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% You have a whole other set of friends 03:03.833 --> 03:05.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that, you know, kind of levels you out? 03:05.600 --> 03:06.866 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% It's really nice. 03:06.866 --> 03:08.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% That's why you're unleveled. 03:08.933 --> 03:10.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Well, in the show that I saw last year, 03:10.966 --> 03:12.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% it seems like there's an honest mistake. 03:12.666 --> 03:15.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Steve you say Greenville Martin, you say Greenville, 03:15.133 --> 03:16.433 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and you say, you tell me Steve, 03:16.433 --> 03:17.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% if you were having a stroke, wouldn't you? 03:17.900 --> 03:19.133 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - Yeah. 03:19.133 --> 03:20.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - And it looked like, is that a real mistake? 03:20.700 --> 03:22.200 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% Are there real mistakes? 03:22.200 --> 03:23.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - [Steve And Short] No, no, no mistake (murmurs) yeah. 03:23.766 --> 03:25.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - We will never intentionally make a mistake. 03:25.433 --> 03:26.700 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - Yeah. 03:26.700 --> 03:27.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Sometimes we, 'cause that looks phony 03:27.633 --> 03:28.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I think the audience smells it. 03:28.900 --> 03:30.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% But if something happens, we exploit it. 03:30.133 --> 03:32.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - In your work together, lefthanded compliments 03:32.433 --> 03:34.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% play a big role, and you talk about a lot of them. 03:34.833 --> 03:37.500 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% What are some of your favorites? 03:37.500 --> 03:40.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - One of the great things about touring around the country 03:40.500 --> 03:43.433 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% with Marty Short, no paparazzi. 03:43.433 --> 03:45.333 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - Ah, this is good. 03:46.366 --> 03:47.833 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - We are not, (mumbles) 03:47.833 --> 03:49.000 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - Thank you. 03:49.000 --> 03:50.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - The crew's been instructed not to laugh. 03:50.433 --> 03:52.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - It's just like our audiences, that must be what happens. 03:52.500 --> 03:54.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - There is a Martin Short on Twitter, 03:54.666 --> 03:56.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% but it's a nutritionist in London. 03:56.800 --> 03:58.033 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - Really? 03:58.033 --> 03:58.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - [Goldbloom] You're not on Twitter. 03:58.733 --> 04:00.000 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - No, I'm not. 04:00.000 --> 04:01.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Okay, Steve you're very good at Twitter? 04:01.333 --> 04:02.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - I stopped, I thought it was too dangerous. 04:02.600 --> 04:03.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Just that you might say something 04:03.700 --> 04:04.800 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% that would offend people. 04:04.800 --> 04:06.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - You can say the most innocuous thing 04:06.300 --> 04:08.966 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and suddenly you're in the news. 04:08.966 --> 04:10.433 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - I feel this is unanimous. 04:10.433 --> 04:12.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% You two are the greatest talk show guests in history. 04:12.933 --> 04:15.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% In fact, Martin, you were considered the greatest 04:15.766 --> 04:17.066 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% by a magazine... - No. 04:17.066 --> 04:18.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - I mean, not that it's a competition, 04:18.533 --> 04:20.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% but I believe (mumbles) - No, its not a competition. 04:20.033 --> 04:23.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% But when that came out in the New Yorker, June 17th, 2017, 04:25.633 --> 04:28.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% of course, no one was happier than me. 04:28.233 --> 04:29.666 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And I had to deal with it. 04:29.666 --> 04:31.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Can you describe the moment when you first met? 04:31.566 --> 04:33.466 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - I went to Steve's house 04:33.466 --> 04:35.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to pick up a script for Three Amigos. 04:35.633 --> 04:38.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I couldn't believe how great and beautiful this house was, 04:38.833 --> 04:41.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% a Picasso here and a Bacon there. 04:43.066 --> 04:45.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And I said to Steve, how did you get this rich, 04:45.166 --> 04:47.266 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% 'cause I've seen your work? 04:47.266 --> 04:48.733 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% You know what you said? 04:48.733 --> 04:50.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - I said, could you get this script to Marty Short? 04:50.466 --> 04:51.666 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% (laughing) 04:51.666 --> 04:53.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - This is a special question for Martin. 04:53.366 --> 04:57.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Is there a moment when you recognized the genius of Steve? 04:57.200 --> 04:58.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And of course, this question is special 04:58.533 --> 05:00.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% because it was submitted by Steve. 05:00.266 --> 05:03.133 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% (laughing) 05:03.133 --> 05:07.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - I met Steve in 1985, 10 years after... 05:07.533 --> 05:09.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - By the way I object to the phrase genius. 05:09.233 --> 05:10.500 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% I don't agree with that. 05:10.500 --> 05:12.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I can't just sit here, but anyway, go ahead. 05:12.233 --> 05:14.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - And by the way, you're not alone. 05:14.100 --> 05:15.533 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - Yeah. 05:15.533 --> 05:17.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - I think it kind of takes a genius to be open 05:17.300 --> 05:19.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to the people around him that can make them even better. 05:19.833 --> 05:21.733 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% The whole package is a genius. 05:21.733 --> 05:23.400 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - I actually remember a moment. 05:23.400 --> 05:24.633 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I can't identify the year, 05:24.633 --> 05:26.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% but we were gonna look at his special. 05:26.300 --> 05:29.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% It was so extreme, and I thought, 05:29.033 --> 05:31.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% "Wow, you are really unafraid." 05:31.900 --> 05:34.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And I remember that, I remember thinking this is really bizarre, 05:34.533 --> 05:36.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I've got to respect this guy more. 05:36.433 --> 05:38.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% If you could add a third wheel to your act 05:38.900 --> 05:41.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that you haven't worked with, who would it be? 05:41.366 --> 05:43.266 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - For box office I'd say Bieber. 05:43.266 --> 05:45.566 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% (laughing) 05:45.566 --> 05:48.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - I'd say Jerry Seinfeld is too good, so we don't want him. 05:48.700 --> 05:50.266 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah. 05:50.266 --> 05:53.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - [Martin] John Mulaney maybe, as a younger voice. 05:53.133 --> 05:54.066 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - He doesn't need us. 05:54.066 --> 05:55.566 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - No, he doesn't need us. 05:55.566 --> 05:57.100 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - Hi, I'm Steve Martin. 05:57.100 --> 05:58.600 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - And I'm Martin Short. 05:58.600 --> 06:01.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - And this is our brief, but spectacular take on... 06:01.266 --> 06:05.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Our fabulously popular and undeserved success. 06:07.033 --> 06:08.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% You know, Steve of all the people 06:08.500 --> 06:10.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that I have a fake show business relationship with, 06:10.933 --> 06:13.033 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I feel fake closest to you. 06:13.033 --> 06:13.833 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - Aw, buddy. 06:13.833 --> 06:16.466 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% (audience laughing) 06:16.466 --> 06:18.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - It's clear that is a friendship 06:18.033 --> 06:20.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that will keep us laughing for years to come. 06:20.933 --> 06:22.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Now, when we think of the Oscars, 06:22.433 --> 06:24.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% we usually think of actors and directors. 06:24.833 --> 06:26.566 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% But there are so many elements 06:26.566 --> 06:28.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that go into the making of a movie. 06:28.933 --> 06:32.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Black Panther, which was widely praised for its messages, 06:32.200 --> 06:33.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% its vision and its style, 06:33.900 --> 06:35.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% certainly drives that point home. 06:35.966 --> 06:37.633 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Costume designer, Ruth Carter 06:37.633 --> 06:40.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% is largely responsible for the film's look. 06:40.233 --> 06:42.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% NewsHour's Jeffrey Brown met up with her 06:42.300 --> 06:45.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% on the Eve of her Oscar win back in 2019. 06:45.633 --> 06:48.400 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% (drums thumping) 06:48.400 --> 06:50.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - [Brown] By now it's well established. 06:50.666 --> 06:53.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Black Panther has been both a box office 06:53.733 --> 06:57.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% blockbuster and historically groundbreaking. 06:57.533 --> 07:00.233 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% (air whooshing) 07:01.300 --> 07:04.333 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - Ooh, the entire suit 07:04.333 --> 07:07.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% fits within the teeth of the necklace. 07:07.100 --> 07:10.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - [Brown] And more than half a century since Marvel Comics 07:10.400 --> 07:14.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% first introduced the fictional African nation of Wakanda, 07:14.166 --> 07:16.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% the film featured a new look, 07:16.300 --> 07:19.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that has itself become a cultural phenomenon. 07:19.500 --> 07:22.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Ruth E. Carter not only helped bring to life 07:22.500 --> 07:25.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% the latest iteration of the Black Panther suit, 07:25.600 --> 07:29.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% she also designed some 1500 costumes for the film. 07:29.666 --> 07:33.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% The goal she says was to make fantasy familiar. 07:33.333 --> 07:35.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - We have to really base it on real life 07:35.733 --> 07:37.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% in order for people to believe it. 07:37.666 --> 07:41.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% It's not a place that we can make so completely 07:41.033 --> 07:44.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% a fantasy that, it feels like it's a sci-fi 07:44.433 --> 07:49.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% or it's a fantastical place that no one could go to. 07:49.400 --> 07:54.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% We base it on so many rooted ideas and cultural things 07:54.066 --> 07:56.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that people feel like they can actually buy a ticket 07:56.733 --> 07:59.333 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and fly to Wakanda (laughing). 08:00.533 --> 08:02.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - [Brown] To that end, Carter researched 08:02.333 --> 08:05.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and found inspiration in the real Africa and it's people. 08:05.966 --> 08:10.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Such as the Dogon of Mali, the Tuareg in North Africa, 08:10.033 --> 08:11.866 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% the Himba of Namibia. 08:11.866 --> 08:14.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% The costumes and the film in general, 08:14.300 --> 08:17.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% also celebrate the concept of Afrofuturism. 08:17.733 --> 08:21.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% A blending of technology and futuristic themes 08:21.066 --> 08:23.166 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% with Black history and culture. 08:23.166 --> 08:26.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Carter points to the costume of Ramonda, 08:26.000 --> 08:29.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% King to T'Challa's mother, as one of her favorites. 08:29.133 --> 08:32.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Both have intricate crown and shoulder mantel, 08:32.000 --> 08:33.566 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% were 3D printed. 08:33.566 --> 08:37.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - We still really want to honor what the fans 08:37.433 --> 08:39.600 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% who believe that Wakanda is. 08:39.600 --> 08:41.000 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% And in that way, 08:41.000 --> 08:44.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% it stays really rooted in the superhero realm, 08:44.100 --> 08:47.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% in the comic realm, in the fantasy realm. 08:47.533 --> 08:50.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% But you know, this was an opportunity to take, you know, 08:50.466 --> 08:54.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% the Afro future or the aesthetics of African diaspora 08:54.866 --> 08:58.633 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and infuse it into this culture 08:58.633 --> 09:00.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and bring it to life in that way. 09:00.933 --> 09:03.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% The process of creating superhero costumes 09:03.666 --> 09:06.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% is very different than tailoring a suit. 09:06.700 --> 09:08.200 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - Yeah. 09:08.200 --> 09:12.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - And so that process was new to me, but as I got into it, 09:13.833 --> 09:15.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I could see that there were lots of things 09:15.766 --> 09:19.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% where I could implement my ideas and my art. 09:19.166 --> 09:21.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% But it's very intimidating at first. 09:21.700 --> 09:23.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Intimidating until you got over it. 09:23.600 --> 09:25.133 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - Till you get over it. 09:25.133 --> 09:27.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - [Brown] Ruth Carter grew up in Springfield, Massachusetts 09:27.600 --> 09:29.333 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% in an artistic household. 09:29.333 --> 09:32.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% She was introduced to drama through after school programs, 09:32.666 --> 09:35.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and studied theater, arts and design in college. 09:35.933 --> 09:39.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Now 58, her big break into Hollywood 09:39.133 --> 09:40.633 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% came through Spike Lee, 09:40.633 --> 09:44.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% with whom she's worked on many films, including Malcolm X, 09:44.400 --> 09:48.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% which brought the first of her now three Oscar nominations. 09:48.300 --> 09:51.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% At the time, she was the first African American 09:51.033 --> 09:54.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to receive a nomination for costume design. 09:54.100 --> 09:58.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Among her many other films, Steven Spielberg's Amistad, 09:58.300 --> 10:02.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Ava DuVernay's Selma and Lee Daniels's The Butler. 10:02.733 --> 10:05.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - This is what Oprah's, and then this was Cecil Gaines 10:05.333 --> 10:08.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% who was played by Forest Whitaker, who was the Butler. 10:08.800 --> 10:10.066 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - [Brown] Some of her creations 10:10.066 --> 10:13.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% are still housed at the Western costume company. 10:13.166 --> 10:16.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% A massive shop and warehouse in North Hollywood 10:16.333 --> 10:17.966 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% where we met and talked. 10:17.966 --> 10:20.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I'm not sure that many people myself included 10:20.966 --> 10:24.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% understand your job, costume designer. 10:24.800 --> 10:26.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Yeah. - How do you define it? 10:26.700 --> 10:29.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - A costume designer is a storyteller. 10:29.833 --> 10:34.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% She tells or he tells stories through wearable art. 10:34.300 --> 10:38.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And it's not only just like buying a shirt and a jacket 10:38.266 --> 10:40.266 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% or creating something original, 10:40.266 --> 10:44.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% it's also giving it a little bit more of a story. 10:44.266 --> 10:45.666 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% It's just not 2D. 10:45.666 --> 10:48.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% A costume designer's job does not end 10:48.166 --> 10:50.433 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% with a photograph or a sketch. 10:50.433 --> 10:54.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% There is that part that makes it come alive. 10:54.233 --> 10:58.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And that's molding and shaping and creating 10:58.000 --> 11:00.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% a character composition, color palette. 11:00.933 --> 11:03.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% All of those things come into play. 11:03.000 --> 11:05.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - This is not a field, this is not an industry 11:05.466 --> 11:07.133 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% that's been very inclusive... 11:07.133 --> 11:08.100 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% - Right. - Historically. 11:08.100 --> 11:09.033 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - Yeah. 11:09.033 --> 11:10.666 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - Why is that? 11:10.666 --> 11:14.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% What did that mean for you coming up and finding your way? 11:15.633 --> 11:17.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - I guess as I entered Hollywood, 11:17.600 --> 11:20.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I didn't see a very many people like me, 11:20.533 --> 11:25.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% even though I looked and researched if there were, 11:25.266 --> 11:28.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and there was maybe one doing television, 11:28.566 --> 11:31.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% there was another person who was supervising, 11:31.033 --> 11:34.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% but not really in a design capacity. 11:34.000 --> 11:35.933 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% And I was really firm 11:35.933 --> 11:38.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that I wanted to be a costume designer 11:38.466 --> 11:40.533 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% once I landed in Hollywood. 11:40.533 --> 11:42.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - [Brown] Beyond the individual films, 11:42.733 --> 11:45.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Carter says she's felt a larger mission, 11:45.566 --> 11:49.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to help create an authentic portrait of African Americans. 11:49.433 --> 11:51.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - People think I got into this industry 11:51.266 --> 11:54.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% because I like, you know, fashion and Dior, 11:54.300 --> 11:57.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% but it was really like, you know, James Baldwin 11:57.333 --> 11:59.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and Nikki Giovanni and Sonia Sanchez 11:59.800 --> 12:01.600 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% that told these rich stories 12:01.600 --> 12:03.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that really made me want to get into theater, 12:03.866 --> 12:05.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and what made me want to be a part of this. 12:05.900 --> 12:08.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And I found that costume design was a way 12:08.533 --> 12:12.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% where I could be an artist and a storyteller, you know, 12:12.333 --> 12:14.533 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and contribute to a medium 12:14.533 --> 12:17.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that I felt had a great voice. 12:17.033 --> 12:19.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - So what is the Oscar nomination mean for you? 12:20.533 --> 12:23.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - I've been reflecting on that quite a bit. 12:25.500 --> 12:30.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% It means that I'm an example to a lot of young girls 12:32.200 --> 12:35.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% who, wow, I'm getting choked up, wow. 12:35.333 --> 12:38.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% You know, a lot of young girls who like me, 12:39.966 --> 12:42.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% want this for themselves, this profession, 12:42.933 --> 12:46.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% wanna get into it and really kind of don't know how, 12:46.300 --> 12:48.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% but are maybe forging their own way. 12:48.633 --> 12:51.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I feel like I represent like that hope 12:51.333 --> 12:53.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that they can go to the highest level. 12:55.933 --> 12:57.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - And she certainly does. 12:57.933 --> 13:00.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Like Carter filmmakers, Jimmy Chin, 13:00.166 --> 13:02.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and Chai Vasarhelyi climb to new heights, 13:02.333 --> 13:04.766 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% both figuratively and literally. 13:04.766 --> 13:06.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Jimmy Chin is a world class mountain climber 13:06.966 --> 13:08.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and adventure photographer. 13:08.300 --> 13:11.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And Chai Vasarhelyi is a documentary filmmaker, 13:11.133 --> 13:14.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% with a string of awards for projects shot around the world. 13:14.766 --> 13:17.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% The pair turned their cameras on a 3000 foot high 13:17.900 --> 13:20.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% slab of granite in Yosemite National Park, 13:20.733 --> 13:23.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% known as El Capitan or El Cap for short. 13:23.666 --> 13:27.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Their film, Free Solo about climber Alex Honnold's quest 13:27.400 --> 13:31.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to climb El Cap with no ropes, won them an Oscar. 13:31.133 --> 13:32.766 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% My colleague, Steve Goldbloom 13:32.766 --> 13:34.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% spoke to the married documentarians 13:34.733 --> 13:38.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% about capturing someone's story in a life or death moment. 13:41.433 --> 13:44.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - In journalism and photography as well, 13:44.366 --> 13:46.700 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% you hope to kind of disappear. 13:46.700 --> 13:49.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% You're really trying to capture the moments as they happen 13:49.400 --> 13:52.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and trying not to influence a moment. 13:52.333 --> 13:54.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - It gets to like the existential ethical question 13:54.833 --> 13:56.100 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% at the heart of the film, 13:56.100 --> 13:58.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% which is in the act of filming by filming him. 13:58.433 --> 14:00.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Are we in some way gonna 'cause him to fall? 14:00.200 --> 14:02.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Is he more likely to fall if we're filming? 14:02.333 --> 14:05.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - We were really focused on the moment 14:05.233 --> 14:07.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and doing exactly what we were supposed to do. 14:07.700 --> 14:09.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And I told the crew that the day before I was like, 14:09.700 --> 14:11.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% don't get distracted thinking about Alex. 14:11.833 --> 14:15.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% You stay focused on exactly what you're doing, no mistakes. 14:15.466 --> 14:18.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - I think that you had to wrestle with that 14:18.566 --> 14:20.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% before we even turned on the camera for the first time. 14:20.900 --> 14:24.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - I got the sense that Alex wanted to be filmed, 14:24.833 --> 14:27.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% but he didn't want to feel filmed. 14:27.033 --> 14:29.733 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - I think he got the concept 14:29.733 --> 14:32.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% of actually free soloing El Cap was film worthy. 14:32.533 --> 14:34.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And that idea of like someone doing justice 14:34.666 --> 14:37.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to this incredible athletic feat actually capturing it 14:37.066 --> 14:38.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% in a way that could live on for posterity... 14:38.933 --> 14:40.166 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - [Goldbloom] Right. 14:40.166 --> 14:42.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Was something that was very appealing to him. 14:42.066 --> 14:45.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% The actual experience of what that was going to entail, 14:45.666 --> 14:48.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I think was more of a discovery process for him. 14:48.000 --> 14:49.666 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - Being a professional climber 14:49.666 --> 14:52.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and having worked on both sides of the lens, 14:52.166 --> 14:55.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I'm quite sensitive to what it feels like 14:55.200 --> 14:58.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% when a camera's introduced to a situation 14:58.200 --> 15:00.500 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and that sensitivity to it. 15:00.500 --> 15:05.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% You know, we hoped to apply in how we filmed with him 15:05.166 --> 15:10.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to make it as easy and non-intrusive as possible. 15:10.000 --> 15:12.433 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - The remote, cameras 15:12.433 --> 15:15.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% because we want to stay out of Alex's line of sight 15:15.333 --> 15:17.000 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% when he is doing it. 15:17.000 --> 15:19.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - What risk does the crew take on? 15:19.866 --> 15:22.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - We really tried to mitigate the risk 15:22.533 --> 15:24.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% on the very front end, by the team that we built. 15:24.900 --> 15:27.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% You know, the first criteria to be on the high angle team 15:27.666 --> 15:30.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% was that you had to be an elite professional climber. 15:30.400 --> 15:32.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% The second criteria is they had to be 15:32.633 --> 15:34.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% amazing cinematographers as well. 15:34.933 --> 15:38.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So there's not a very big pool to pull from. 15:38.900 --> 15:43.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I needed people who could climb El Cap casually in a day. 15:43.166 --> 15:46.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And there aren't that many people who can do that. 15:46.100 --> 15:49.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% We really spent two years on the wall. 15:49.833 --> 15:52.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% As Alex was practicing his climb, 15:52.333 --> 15:55.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% we were practicing how we were gonna shoot it. 15:55.033 --> 15:57.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - We actually had zero margin for error. 15:57.566 --> 16:01.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% The risks were so high and so they had to just be perfect. 16:01.000 --> 16:05.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Did you ever get to a point where you could justify 16:05.233 --> 16:08.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% the worst case scenario being okay, 16:08.000 --> 16:12.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% filming what would be someone's tragic death? 16:12.433 --> 16:14.233 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% It came down to a few things. 16:14.233 --> 16:16.633 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% One was Alex thought more 16:16.633 --> 16:18.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% about his own mortality than mostly anyone. 16:18.733 --> 16:20.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And he chooses to do this with his life. 16:20.466 --> 16:23.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Like he wants to live every day with intention. 16:23.833 --> 16:25.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And did we believe in that, we did. 16:25.933 --> 16:27.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And then secondly, did we trust Alex, 16:27.900 --> 16:29.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and did we trust his decision making? 16:29.733 --> 16:31.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% As you see in the film, he turns around once. 16:31.733 --> 16:34.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So, and that was actually a very good day for us, 16:34.866 --> 16:36.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% because we understood we made the right decision 16:36.500 --> 16:37.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% to trust his decision making. 16:37.933 --> 16:40.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And then the third was like, did we trust ourselves 16:40.233 --> 16:42.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to treat our subject with respect at all times? 16:42.866 --> 16:44.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% We did not think he was gonna fall 16:44.233 --> 16:45.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% or else we wouldn't have been there. 16:45.366 --> 16:46.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% But people ask us this question a lot, 16:46.866 --> 16:49.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and I would say probably the film is gonna be the same film. 16:49.266 --> 16:51.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% It wasn't gonna be redone saying, 16:51.700 --> 16:53.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% look how horrible this is, what this guy does. 16:53.533 --> 16:55.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% It was always about honoring who Alex is. 16:55.933 --> 16:59.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Relationships anchor the movie, and there's a moment 16:59.200 --> 17:02.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% where Alex realizes that human connection 17:02.200 --> 17:05.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% comes with the obligation to maximize lifespan. 17:05.366 --> 17:07.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Is there a moment where you recognize 17:07.733 --> 17:10.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% this snippet of dialogue and questioned whether you could, 17:10.833 --> 17:13.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% you should continue making the movie? 17:13.366 --> 17:15.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Alex was a kid who began free soloing 17:15.033 --> 17:17.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% because it was less scary to go out without a rope 17:17.600 --> 17:20.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and without a partner than to speak to another person. 17:20.200 --> 17:23.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% But he also always kind of had the vision 17:23.166 --> 17:24.966 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and kind of craved connection. 17:24.966 --> 17:26.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So he saw that other people ate vegetables 17:26.800 --> 17:28.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and it seemed to be good for them. 17:28.300 --> 17:30.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So he taught himself how to eat veggies like he wasn't hugged, 17:30.400 --> 17:31.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% but he saw that other people hug. 17:31.533 --> 17:33.133 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% So he tried to learn how to hug. 17:33.133 --> 17:35.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% We could never have anticipated his meeting Sanni. 17:35.466 --> 17:37.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% You know, she is emotionally intelligent, 17:37.000 --> 17:39.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% she is self confident not to push back on him, 17:39.166 --> 17:41.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and say this makes me uncomfortable, 17:41.100 --> 17:42.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% but I'm gonna try to love you for who you are. 17:42.866 --> 17:46.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And that sentence is like a revelation for Alex. 17:46.033 --> 17:50.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - One of the, kind of core ideas of the film as well, 17:50.133 --> 17:53.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% whether, you know, it's not necessarily how long you live. 17:53.366 --> 17:56.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% It's like the quality of life he's saying. 17:56.166 --> 17:58.033 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I thought about my mortality, 17:58.033 --> 18:02.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% it's important for me to pursue what I am passionate about 18:02.933 --> 18:05.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and that I love deeply in this moment, you know, 18:07.433 --> 18:10.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that's really important to me and live with great intention. 18:10.866 --> 18:14.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - You've said there wasn't a day in the two years of filming 18:14.800 --> 18:17.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that you didn't think about him falling. 18:17.166 --> 18:18.466 align:left position:40% line:83% size:50% - Mmh. - Yeah. 18:18.466 --> 18:19.700 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I've definitely said that. 18:19.700 --> 18:21.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Can you describe what it feels like 18:21.466 --> 18:23.433 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% to walk around with that? 18:23.433 --> 18:26.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - I would wake up, I could feel the burden 18:26.900 --> 18:29.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and then I would remember, I'd be like, what am I feeling? 18:29.666 --> 18:32.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And then I would think about what it was 18:32.066 --> 18:33.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% that I was weighing on me. 18:33.933 --> 18:37.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And my mind would go to the worst case scenario. 18:37.300 --> 18:39.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - I think everybody on the team carried a certain weight, 18:39.966 --> 18:41.466 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% but that was kind of the point. 18:41.466 --> 18:43.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Like there's also a commitment that came with that weight. 18:43.266 --> 18:46.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% We'd trusted Alex and believed in what he was doing. 18:46.000 --> 18:48.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - There's a breathtaking moment in the movie 18:48.100 --> 18:51.466 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% where Alex does a karate kick 18:51.466 --> 18:54.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to a foothold at 3000 feet on El Cap. 18:54.600 --> 18:57.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And it's a move that he had failed several times 18:57.566 --> 18:59.066 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% when he was using ropes. 18:59.066 --> 19:02.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Can you describe coming to that pivotal moment in the movie? 19:02.533 --> 19:07.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% My heart was in my throat, and time stood still, 19:08.100 --> 19:09.600 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% and then he made it. 19:09.600 --> 19:14.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And it just was this like, I don't know, kind of such pride 19:15.700 --> 19:17.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% came like over me and like understanding that Alex 19:17.600 --> 19:21.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% must've been so happy in that moment, it was beautiful. 19:21.466 --> 19:23.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And then you say like, okay, it's not done yet. 19:23.633 --> 19:25.033 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% Okay, be nervous again. 19:25.033 --> 19:27.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - I was hanging on the wall around the corner. 19:27.133 --> 19:30.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So I just knew that within this kind of 10, 19:30.100 --> 19:34.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% 15 minute timeframe that he was in that spot, 19:34.166 --> 19:37.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% the thing for me on that moment while we were filming 19:37.100 --> 19:40.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% was just that we had so much to think about 19:40.500 --> 19:43.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and choreograph and so many things to think about 19:43.333 --> 19:44.866 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% in terms of the climbing, 19:44.866 --> 19:47.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% in terms of like not making a mistake climbing as well, 19:47.900 --> 19:50.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% in a way that was really helpful because like, 19:50.200 --> 19:51.466 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% you'd start thinking about it 19:51.466 --> 19:53.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and you'd be like, okay, wait, okay. 19:53.166 --> 19:55.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Cameras, batteries, all set media cards, 19:55.533 --> 19:57.466 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% everything's audio is running. 19:57.466 --> 19:58.700 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% Once he passes me, 19:58.700 --> 20:00.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I'm gonna have the rope thrown down to me. 20:00.300 --> 20:01.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And then I'm gonna jug out this way, you know, 20:01.900 --> 20:05.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I mean, you just keep going through your checklist. 20:05.266 --> 20:06.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I didn't have that much time to like, 20:06.966 --> 20:09.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% let my gut come up into my chest. 20:09.000 --> 20:11.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% But I was very emotional when he made it to the top. 20:11.666 --> 20:16.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And I got to the top, the moment after he's halved out. 20:16.366 --> 20:19.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% It was just this huge emotional welling, 20:19.900 --> 20:23.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% because I'd only allowed myself to think about the execution 20:23.633 --> 20:25.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% up to the point that he tapped out. 20:25.766 --> 20:28.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I didn't think about what, I didn't let myself indulge 20:28.833 --> 20:30.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and what it would feel like for him to do it, 20:30.633 --> 20:32.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and to feel like the crew had accomplished everything 20:32.933 --> 20:35.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that we wanted to have it in the can. 20:35.033 --> 20:37.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And that moment was really incredible. 20:37.633 --> 20:39.900 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% (bright upbeat music) 20:39.900 --> 20:43.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Like Chin and Vasarhelyi, actress and singer Rita Moreno 20:43.633 --> 20:45.800 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% has worked her way to the top. 20:45.800 --> 20:48.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% She fought typecasting and industry pressure, 20:48.200 --> 20:50.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% to become the first Latina EGOT. 20:50.933 --> 20:54.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% That's a winner of an Emmy, Grammy, Oscar and a Tony. 20:54.566 --> 20:57.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Moreno gives her brief, but spectacular take 20:57.200 --> 20:59.500 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% on a lifetime in show business. 20:59.500 --> 21:03.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Being the house ethnic was destroying my life 21:03.266 --> 21:04.833 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% and my sense of myself 21:04.833 --> 21:09.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% because, I had been consigned to play every dusky maiden 21:11.033 --> 21:13.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% you've ever seen in your life and movies. 21:13.333 --> 21:16.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So if I was playing a Hawaiian girl, I talked like this 21:16.433 --> 21:19.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and I was playing an Arabian girl, I still talk like this. 21:19.966 --> 21:21.433 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% I didn't know. 21:21.433 --> 21:24.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% But I was trying, I was really trying to improve things. 21:24.733 --> 21:26.000 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% Nobody gave a damn. 21:26.000 --> 21:29.166 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% (bright upbeat music) 21:31.033 --> 21:36.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Moving to Los Angeles, I was then about, yeah, just 16. 21:37.066 --> 21:38.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% 'cause I remember that I went there 21:38.500 --> 21:42.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% under contract to MGM studios, the studio of my dreams 21:42.066 --> 21:44.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% because that's where all the great musicals were made. 21:44.800 --> 21:47.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Life magazine decided to do a story about a young actress 21:47.833 --> 21:52.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% in Hollywood in 1954 and I made the cover. 21:52.000 --> 21:53.666 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And I remember that the fellow 21:53.666 --> 21:55.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% who's doing the story on me said, 21:55.666 --> 21:58.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% "Listen, kid, I just want you to know if Eisenhower 21:58.400 --> 22:01.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% gets a cold you're off the cover. 22:01.033 --> 22:04.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I auditioned for West Side Story just like everybody else, 22:04.033 --> 22:05.500 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and I nearly had a heart attack 22:05.500 --> 22:07.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% because I hadn't danced in about, 22:07.766 --> 22:09.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% well, I don't know, about 15 years. 22:09.433 --> 22:13.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I got a friend of mine who had played Anita on the road 22:13.200 --> 22:16.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% in West Side Story to teach me some steps, 22:16.133 --> 22:18.366 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% which she warned me that, 22:18.366 --> 22:20.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% they don't always teach you the same steps. 22:20.266 --> 22:23.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And to my astonishment, the first part of the audition, 22:23.666 --> 22:25.366 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% the dance director said, 22:25.366 --> 22:28.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% "Okay, let me teach you these steps from America." 22:28.100 --> 22:30.633 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% And I went, "Mmh, okay." 22:30.633 --> 22:32.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And it was the steps that this girl had taught me. 22:32.900 --> 22:34.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% When I was nominated for the Oscar, 22:34.666 --> 22:37.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I was absolutely positive that Judy Garland would win 22:37.833 --> 22:39.700 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% for Judgment at Nuremberg. 22:39.700 --> 22:44.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And then they call my name, and I was absolutely poleaxed. 22:45.866 --> 22:48.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And I remember walking down to the stage 22:48.733 --> 22:50.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and saying to myself, "Don't run. 22:50.900 --> 22:52.800 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% "It's not dignified." 22:52.800 --> 22:56.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I got up there, and I said the following, unbelievable. 22:56.600 --> 22:58.766 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% (audience clapping) 22:58.766 --> 23:00.566 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% I can't believe it! 23:00.566 --> 23:01.500 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% (audience laughing) 23:01.500 --> 23:02.333 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% Good lord! 23:03.466 --> 23:04.700 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% I leave you with that. 23:06.133 --> 23:10.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Oh my God, the things I could have said it just killed me. 23:10.166 --> 23:11.266 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% There's something about sex 23:11.266 --> 23:14.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that always brings out the funny in me. 23:14.300 --> 23:15.433 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I think it's because we make 23:15.433 --> 23:17.733 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% such fools of ourselves over it. 23:17.733 --> 23:18.966 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% You know, get laid, 23:18.966 --> 23:22.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% oh my god, people will do just about anything. 23:22.333 --> 23:25.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I think people get won over too by a woman's, 23:25.300 --> 23:27.266 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% you know, kind of sexuality. 23:27.266 --> 23:30.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And that's what I was trying to achieve (laughing), 23:30.533 --> 23:33.000 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% when I sang, Fever with Animal, 23:33.000 --> 23:35.000 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% the drummer from the Muppets. 23:35.000 --> 23:38.566 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% ♪ Fever when you hold me tight ♪ 23:38.566 --> 23:43.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% ♪ Fever (drums thumping), in the ♪ morning ♪ 23:45.000 --> 23:46.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Well, I think it's one of the funniest things I've ever done. 23:46.866 --> 23:49.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I really had a hard time, not laughing. 23:49.100 --> 23:53.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I've always wanted to sing and dance all my life, 23:53.066 --> 23:54.733 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% but there is one song 23:54.733 --> 23:59.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that absolutely captures the essence of who I am. 23:59.433 --> 24:02.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% ♪ As I approach the prime of my ♪ life ♪ 24:02.833 --> 24:07.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% ♪ I find I have the time of my ♪ life ♪ 24:09.000 --> 24:13.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% ♪ Learning to explore at my ♪ leisure ♪ 24:14.766 --> 24:17.800 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% ♪ Every single pleasure ♪ 24:17.800 --> 24:22.800 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% ♪ And so I happily can see ♪ 24:25.433 --> 24:30.133 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% ♪ This is all I ask ♪ 24:30.133 --> 24:33.300 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% ♪ This is all I need ♪ 24:39.600 --> 24:41.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I'm Rita Moreno, and this is my brief, 24:41.666 --> 24:43.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% but spectacular take on me. 24:45.333 --> 24:48.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - And that is a beautiful note to end on. 24:48.400 --> 24:50.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Like Moreno, all the artists we've seen today 24:50.900 --> 24:54.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% have shown a deep love and appreciation for storytelling. 24:54.533 --> 24:58.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Despite hardships and roadblocks they stuck to their craft 24:58.333 --> 25:00.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and achieved greatness along the way. 25:00.666 --> 25:02.533 align:left position:10% line:83% 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