1 00:00:01,933 --> 00:00:05,533 JUDY WOODRUFF: Now to a surprising way to make money: the sneaker resale market, where 2 00:00:07,466 --> 00:00:10,700 used Nikes and Adidas can sell for hundreds, sometimes thousands of dollars. 3 00:00:12,166 --> 00:00:14,766 Our economics correspondent, Paul Solman, has the story. 4 00:00:14,766 --> 00:00:18,633 It's part of our series Making Sense, which airs every Thursday. 5 00:00:18,633 --> 00:00:23,633 PAUL SOLMAN: In the back of New York's Javits Convention Center, buyers and sellers, teenage 6 00:00:26,733 --> 00:00:30,433 boys mostly, haggled in the trading pit. 7 00:00:30,433 --> 00:00:35,133 Here's one of the hottest markets in America I knew almost nothing about, sneakers. 8 00:00:35,133 --> 00:00:38,600 YU-MING WU, Founder, Sneaker Con: This weekend, we're going to have 20,000 people. 9 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:43,600 PAUL SOLMAN: When Yu-Ming Wu founded Sneaker Con nine years ago, just 800 people showed 10 00:00:44,100 --> 00:00:46,200 up. 11 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,133 This year, eight conventions of so-called sneakerheads are planned around the country. 12 00:00:49,133 --> 00:00:51,200 New York's is the biggest. 13 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:55,233 YU-MING WU: We created this space for anyone to come in to buy a pair of sneakers, to sell 14 00:00:56,766 --> 00:00:58,966 a pair of sneakers, or trade a pair of sneakers. 15 00:00:58,966 --> 00:01:01,566 PAUL SOLMAN: So, in a sense, this is a physical eBay? 16 00:01:01,566 --> 00:01:05,466 YU-MING WU: It is a physical eBay, yes, correct, for sneakers. 17 00:01:05,466 --> 00:01:10,466 PAUL SOLMAN: Much-hyped limited releases of Nike Air Jordans, as in Michael, and Adidas 18 00:01:12,300 --> 00:01:16,266 Yeezys, the brand of Kanye West, have spurred a billion-dollar resale market. 19 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,733 When they appear, they bring chaos, sometimes even violence, to the few stores that have 20 00:01:23,566 --> 00:01:26,800 them, and then bring premium prices on the secondary market, like here. 21 00:01:28,466 --> 00:01:29,966 Sneaker-monger Matt Bogy. 22 00:01:29,966 --> 00:01:31,500 MATT BOGY, Sneaker Reseller: So these are the Red Octobers. 23 00:01:31,500 --> 00:01:34,666 They're worth about five to $6,000 on average per pair. 24 00:01:34,666 --> 00:01:36,633 PAUL SOLMAN: That's what you're selling him for or... 25 00:01:36,633 --> 00:01:37,866 MATT BOGY: Yes. 26 00:01:37,866 --> 00:01:39,866 That's what I'm selling them for. 27 00:01:39,866 --> 00:01:41,400 And I also have a pair signed by Kim Kardashian, which is Kanye West's wife. 28 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,366 Those are -- I price those at about $7,000, $8,000. 29 00:01:43,366 --> 00:01:47,900 PAUL SOLMAN: Wait a minute, thousands of dollars for a pair of sneakers? 30 00:01:48,733 --> 00:01:49,800 As a mom here put it: 31 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:51,933 WOMAN: It is insane. 32 00:01:51,933 --> 00:01:55,866 And we're having a ton of fun, but it's incredible to see how much sneakers cost. 33 00:01:57,066 --> 00:01:59,366 PAUL SOLMAN: But there were some bargains. 34 00:01:59,366 --> 00:02:03,866 Sneakerhead Tyre Coles was hocking used kicks from his own ever-burgeoning collection. 35 00:02:03,866 --> 00:02:06,666 TYRE COLES, Sneaker Reseller: I love Nikes to the bottom of my heart. 36 00:02:06,666 --> 00:02:08,766 I buy any pair. 37 00:02:08,766 --> 00:02:12,700 PAUL SOLMAN: Nickson Descas was selling a pair of Nike Air Max trophies he'd bought 38 00:02:12,700 --> 00:02:14,333 for $300. 39 00:02:14,333 --> 00:02:15,133 NICKSON DESCAS, Sneaker Reseller: I have been wearing them a lot. 40 00:02:15,133 --> 00:02:16,600 They're a little beat. 41 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:17,766 So, I will try to sell them around $150, maybe $200. 42 00:02:17,766 --> 00:02:19,933 PAUL SOLMAN: For used sneakers? 43 00:02:19,933 --> 00:02:21,333 What's going on here? 44 00:02:21,333 --> 00:02:23,166 Well, one thing, says, Nickson Descas: 45 00:02:23,166 --> 00:02:24,566 NICKSON DESCAS: We just love the hustle. 46 00:02:24,566 --> 00:02:26,066 We just love the game. 47 00:02:26,066 --> 00:02:28,466 PAUL SOLMAN: Ah, the hustle and bustle of the marketplace. 48 00:02:28,466 --> 00:02:31,433 GIOVANNI TORQUATO, Sneakerhead: I like buying the shoes, selling the shoes, trading the 49 00:02:31,433 --> 00:02:33,466 shoes. 50 00:02:33,466 --> 00:02:36,000 CINDY SHORE, Sneakerhead Mom: It's a great way for young kids to learn about business 51 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,966 and how to make money and sometimes lose money, and based upon the decisions that they make. 52 00:02:41,300 --> 00:02:42,533 Why not learn early? 53 00:02:42,533 --> 00:02:44,100 PAUL SOLMAN: And not just sneakers. 54 00:02:44,100 --> 00:02:45,400 Brandon Shore dealt in leather. 55 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,166 BRANDON SHORE, Sneakerhead: I bought this. 56 00:02:47,166 --> 00:02:49,566 And then I was able to sell it for more, and then buy a second one. 57 00:02:49,566 --> 00:02:52,700 PAUL SOLMAN: But sneakerhead culture drives the market. 58 00:02:52,700 --> 00:02:57,700 And it is, above all, about identity, by proxy, for example, through the Michael Jordans and 59 00:02:58,766 --> 00:03:00,366 Kanye Wests. 60 00:03:00,366 --> 00:03:03,033 Vlogger: Wow. 61 00:03:03,033 --> 00:03:05,066 Smells like a brand-new pair of denim. 62 00:03:05,066 --> 00:03:09,366 PAUL SOLMAN: Or a new breed of celebs, like Kice Omar (ph), who vlog, video blog, that 63 00:03:10,233 --> 00:03:12,300 is, about sneakers on YouTube. 64 00:03:12,300 --> 00:03:16,800 Mainly, though, through peer-to-peer connection and competition. 65 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:21,666 GIOVANNI TORQUATO: There's a term, it's called a hypebeast, where someone just gets an item 66 00:03:21,666 --> 00:03:26,033 just to like brag about everyone that they have the newest, coolest item, even if they 67 00:03:26,033 --> 00:03:27,400 don't like it. 68 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,100 PAUL SOLMAN: Again, convention founder Yu-Ming Wu: 69 00:03:29,100 --> 00:03:32,966 YU-MING WU: I always say they want to look fresher than the next. 70 00:03:32,966 --> 00:03:37,966 They want to look cooler than their peers, their friends, their classmates, and also 71 00:03:38,833 --> 00:03:39,800 have some level of status. 72 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:41,533 I have something cooler. 73 00:03:41,533 --> 00:03:43,533 I have this rarer pair. 74 00:03:43,533 --> 00:03:47,166 I have something that you weren't -- not that you couldn't afford, but that you couldn't 75 00:03:47,166 --> 00:03:49,633 get. 76 00:03:49,633 --> 00:03:51,666 STEVEN QUARTZ, California Institute of Technology: Cool began in the 1950s as rebel cool. 77 00:03:51,666 --> 00:03:54,533 PAUL SOLMAN: Steven Quartz has studied cool as a Caltech neuro-economist. 78 00:03:54,533 --> 00:03:56,633 His theory: 79 00:03:56,633 --> 00:04:00,733 STEVEN QUARTZ: What happened in the 1950s was that, as we began to increase our standard 80 00:04:03,100 --> 00:04:06,566 of living, in a hierarchical society, it really created what we can think of as a status dilemma. 81 00:04:07,700 --> 00:04:10,066 There just wasn't enough status to go around. 82 00:04:10,066 --> 00:04:14,500 And what people began to do, especially kids began to do, was create alternative status 83 00:04:14,500 --> 00:04:16,966 systems. 84 00:04:16,966 --> 00:04:20,500 PAUL SOLMAN: At his Nashville showroom, sneaker reseller Yuanrun "Z" Zheng also drew a connection 85 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,466 to the increased inequality of recent decades. 86 00:04:24,466 --> 00:04:29,466 Sure, the sneaker market is status-driven, he says, but it's affordable status. 87 00:04:31,966 --> 00:04:33,800 YUANRUN "Z" ZHENG, Sneaker Reseller: The retail of any sneakers, I will say, have never eclipsed 88 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,733 over $350, until that Nike came with the crazy self-lacing shoe that cost $800. 89 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,266 But that's an outlier in itself. 90 00:04:41,266 --> 00:04:46,066 So people with no money or some people with no financial means can also get the limited 91 00:04:48,500 --> 00:04:51,100 edition sneaker, just like a person with a lot of money. 92 00:04:51,100 --> 00:04:55,600 PAUL SOLMAN: Back at Sneaker Con, it was clear that sneaker culture has taken on a commercial 93 00:04:55,600 --> 00:05:00,600 life of its own, with prize pairs so sought-after, counterfeits now abound, hence the long lines 94 00:05:02,566 --> 00:05:07,566 at the convention's legit check table, where Bryan Mora, among others, ferreted out fakes. 95 00:05:09,533 --> 00:05:12,666 BRYAN MORA, Legit Checker: It'll be the glue smell . It will be the way the shoe is shaped. 96 00:05:12,666 --> 00:05:14,233 PAUL SOLMAN: How many fakes have you guys caught today? 97 00:05:14,233 --> 00:05:15,466 How many fakes? 98 00:05:15,466 --> 00:05:17,500 BRYAN MORA: We caught about like 30 pairs. 99 00:05:17,500 --> 00:05:21,833 PAUL SOLMAN: There's even a lone ranger of kicks, who calls himself Yeezy Busta, and 100 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,166 he's built a brand around busting knock-offs. 101 00:05:25,166 --> 00:05:28,800 YEEZY BUSTA, Yeezy Shoe Expert: The reason why I wear my mask is because what I do is, 102 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:30,866 I call out celebrities who wear fake Yeezys. 103 00:05:30,866 --> 00:05:35,866 And some of them wanted to come after me and sue me, so I decided I wouldn't reveal my 104 00:05:36,333 --> 00:05:38,333 face. 105 00:05:38,333 --> 00:05:42,066 PAUL SOLMAN: Now, fans or family members of the Busta fam can get their own branded masks 106 00:05:42,666 --> 00:05:44,133 for only $20. 107 00:05:44,133 --> 00:05:46,266 I would imagine this is also fairly healthy, right? 108 00:05:46,266 --> 00:05:51,133 YEEZY BUSTA: Yes, I mean, if anybody's sick and somebody tries to cough on you, you don't 109 00:05:51,133 --> 00:05:52,400 get it in your mouth. 110 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:53,400 You know? 111 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,500 (LAUGHTER) 112 00:05:55,500 --> 00:05:58,600 PAUL SOLMAN: OK, so sneakers are fun and instructive to trade, a mark of status, comfortable of 113 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:03,100 course, and finally, argues, Yu-Ming Wu, works of art. 114 00:06:03,100 --> 00:06:07,833 YU-MING WU: I believe that sneakers are mass-produced sculptures. 115 00:06:07,833 --> 00:06:12,833 We have incredible artists, incredible designers who design and create these incredible shoes 116 00:06:15,100 --> 00:06:19,800 PAUL SOLMAN: Most famously, Tinker Hatfield, the Nike designer behind the most iconic Air 117 00:06:20,333 --> 00:06:22,333 Jordans. 118 00:06:22,333 --> 00:06:24,900 TINKER HATFIELD, Nike Designer: It's not just scribbling on a piece of paper and coming 119 00:06:24,900 --> 00:06:26,400 up with a design. 120 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:30,066 It's a lot of effort that goes into trying to be meaningful 121 00:06:30,066 --> 00:06:35,066 PAUL SOLMAN: A legend in the sneaker world, he got mainstream attention via a Netflix 122 00:06:35,666 --> 00:06:37,700 documentary. 123 00:06:37,700 --> 00:06:41,200 YU-MING WU: He saw architecture as inspiration for sneakers, and I believe he is a Leonardo 124 00:06:45,066 --> 00:06:47,700 da Vinci of the sneaker world. 125 00:06:47,700 --> 00:06:52,600 PAUL SOLMAN: So when you say Tinker Hatfield is the Leonardo of sneakers, are you equating 126 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,100 the achievements of Leonardo, say? 127 00:06:55,100 --> 00:07:00,166 YU-MING WU: Centuries from today, we will look back at Tinker Hatfield and consider 128 00:07:01,300 --> 00:07:03,566 him to be one of the most incredible artists. 129 00:07:03,566 --> 00:07:08,566 PAUL SOLMAN: And centuries from now, maybe a pair of Air Jordans will sell for $450 million, 130 00:07:10,033 --> 00:07:13,700 as da Vinci's Salvator Mundi recently did. 131 00:07:13,700 --> 00:07:16,400 Who knows? 132 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,666 As concert promoter Darryll Brooks put it: 133 00:07:18,666 --> 00:07:19,666 DARRYLL BROOKS, Concert Promoter: Value is in the eye of the beholder. 134 00:07:19,666 --> 00:07:20,866 Some people collect things. 135 00:07:20,866 --> 00:07:22,933 I'm a collector, but not of sneakers. 136 00:07:22,933 --> 00:07:23,966 When you were a kid, when they were collecting G.I. 137 00:07:23,966 --> 00:07:25,466 Joes, you had a set of G.I. 138 00:07:25,466 --> 00:07:26,466 Joes. 139 00:07:26,466 --> 00:07:27,566 Don't tell me you didn't. 140 00:07:27,566 --> 00:07:29,200 PAUL SOLMAN: I didn't. 141 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:30,733 I never had a G.I. 142 00:07:30,733 --> 00:07:32,633 Joe in my life. 143 00:07:32,633 --> 00:07:36,733 But I did collect a variety of things, minerals, baseball cards. 144 00:07:38,266 --> 00:07:40,100 DARRYLL BROOKS: Same thing, different generation. 145 00:07:40,100 --> 00:07:41,400 I got old cars. 146 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,500 But these kids wouldn't look at my cars. 147 00:07:44,500 --> 00:07:46,033 They would say, ah. 148 00:07:46,033 --> 00:07:47,500 What would they do with a 1976 Eldorado convertible? 149 00:07:47,500 --> 00:07:48,733 They probably wouldn't know what the heck that was. 150 00:07:48,733 --> 00:07:50,066 It would look like a big boat to them. 151 00:07:50,066 --> 00:07:51,500 But it isn't a big boat to me. 152 00:07:51,500 --> 00:07:52,500 I love it. 153 00:07:52,500 --> 00:07:54,566 (LAUGHTER) 154 00:07:54,566 --> 00:07:57,233 PAUL SOLMAN: As the 20,000 people in New York for the convention, and millions more around 155 00:07:57,233 --> 00:08:01,700 the country, love their sneakers, so long as they're the real thing. 156 00:08:01,700 --> 00:08:06,533 For the "PBS NewsHour," this is economics correspondent Paul Solman,, the real Paul 157 00:08:06,533 --> 00:08:11,533 Solman.