1 00:00:02,936 --> 00:00:06,006 >> THIS IS NC SPIN, AN UNREHEARSED DISCUSSION 2 00:00:06,106 --> 00:00:08,641 ON ISSUES OF INTEREST TO NORTH CAROLINIANS. 3 00:00:08,742 --> 00:00:11,578 NOW, HERE'S YOUR MODERATOR, TOM CAMPBELL. 4 00:00:12,979 --> 00:00:15,215 >> THANKS FOR WATCHING THIS WEEK'S NC SPIN. 5 00:00:15,315 --> 00:00:16,950 IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS STUDENTS IN 6 00:00:17,050 --> 00:00:19,819 TRADITIONAL SCHOOLS WILL RETURN TO THE CLASSROOM 7 00:00:19,919 --> 00:00:22,188 AND THIS WEEK WE ASK OUR PANEL TO COMMENT ON 8 00:00:22,288 --> 00:00:24,991 SEVERAL HOT-BUTTON EDUCATION ISSUES. 9 00:00:25,091 --> 00:00:27,193 WE ALSO DISCUSS A BILL BEFORE THE LEGISLATURE 10 00:00:27,293 --> 00:00:30,397 THAT COULD CHANGE THE WAY ELECTRIC RATES ARE DECIDED. 11 00:00:30,497 --> 00:00:32,665 AND, AS ALWAYS, WE ASK THE PANEL TO TELL US SOMETHING 12 00:00:32,766 --> 00:00:33,967 WE DON'T KNOW. 13 00:00:34,067 --> 00:00:35,735 THIS WEEK'S PANEL INCLUDES 14 00:00:35,835 --> 00:00:42,809 DONNA MARTINEZ, JOHN LOCKE FOUNDATION/WPTF RADIO 15 00:00:42,909 --> 00:00:45,745 JOHN HOOD, SYNDICATED COLUMNIST AND AUTHOR 16 00:00:45,845 --> 00:00:48,415 CHRIS FITZSIMON, DIRECTOR, THE NEWSROOM 17 00:00:48,515 --> 00:00:51,818 ROB SCHOFIELD, DIRECTOR, NC POLICY WATCH 18 00:00:51,918 --> 00:00:54,287 WE BEGIN OUR UNINTERRUPTED DEBATE AFTER THESE BRIEF 19 00:00:54,387 --> 00:00:56,456 MESSAGES FROM OUR UNDERWRITERS. 20 00:00:59,159 --> 00:01:01,327 >> FROM CREATING THE NEWEST MEMBER OF YOUR FAMILY 21 00:01:01,428 --> 00:01:04,230 TO HELPING A LOVED ONE MAKE END OF LIFE DECISIONS 22 00:01:04,330 --> 00:01:07,333 YOUR FAMILY PHYSICIAN IS WITH YOU EVERY STEP, 23 00:01:07,434 --> 00:01:10,837 FOR EVERY STAGE OF LIFE FOR EVERY MEMBER OF YOUR FAMILY. 24 00:01:10,937 --> 00:01:12,872 DESPITE A HEALTH CARE LANDSCAPE FRAUGHT 25 00:01:12,972 --> 00:01:16,609 WITH POTENTIAL LANDMINES FAMILY PHYSICIANS ACROSS NORTH CAROLINA 26 00:01:17,043 --> 00:01:19,712 ARE PROVIDING YOU A LIFETIME OF COMMITTED 27 00:01:19,813 --> 00:01:21,648 DEPENDABLE MEDICAL CARE. 28 00:01:22,282 --> 00:01:26,219 FAMILY PHYSICIANS YOUR TRUSTED HEALTH CARE ADVISOR FOR LIFE. 29 00:01:28,955 --> 00:01:31,191 - [WOMAN] LIFE'S BUSY BUT YOU'RE IN CONTROL. 30 00:01:31,291 --> 00:01:33,093 AS AN ELECTRIC COOPERATIVE MEMBER, 31 00:01:33,193 --> 00:01:35,495 YOU HAVE ACCESS TO LOTS OF TOOLS TO HELP MANAGE 32 00:01:35,595 --> 00:01:37,697 YOUR HOME ENERGY USE AND BUDGET, 33 00:01:37,797 --> 00:01:40,600 SO YOU CAN FOCUS ON WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT. 34 00:01:42,335 --> 00:01:44,237 - [PRESENTER] NC SPIN IS BROUGHT TO YOU IN PART 35 00:01:44,337 --> 00:01:46,239 BY THE NORTH CAROLINA FARM BUREAU. 36 00:01:46,339 --> 00:01:48,041 THE FARM BUREAU AND AGRICULTURE, 37 00:01:48,141 --> 00:01:50,276 WE KEEP NORTH CAROLINA GROWING. 38 00:01:51,411 --> 00:01:52,445 >> LET'S GET TO IT. 39 00:01:52,545 --> 00:01:55,181 IT WON'T BE LONG BEFORE SCHOOL BELLS RING IN A NEW 40 00:01:55,281 --> 00:01:57,484 YEAR BUT FEWER STUDENTS WILL BE ATTENDING OUR 41 00:01:57,584 --> 00:01:58,885 TRADITIONAL SCHOOLS. 42 00:01:58,985 --> 00:02:00,920 WE WANT TO ASK OUR PANEL ABOUT THE POSSIBLE 43 00:02:01,020 --> 00:02:04,357 RE-SEGREGATION OF OUR SCHOOLS, TESTING, A 44 00:02:04,457 --> 00:02:07,927 CONTROVERSY SURROUNDING READING ASSESSMENTS AND 45 00:02:08,027 --> 00:02:09,362 OTHER HOT-BUTTON EDUCATION ISSUES. 46 00:02:09,462 --> 00:02:11,798 ROB SCHOFIELD, RECENTLY IT 47 00:02:11,898 --> 00:02:14,434 WAS REVEALED THAT ONLY 80 PERCENT OF K-12 STUDENTS 48 00:02:14,534 --> 00:02:16,903 NOW ATTEND TRADITIONAL SCHOOLS. 49 00:02:17,003 --> 00:02:19,973 THE NUMBER ATTENDING CHARTERS, PRIVATE AND HOME 50 00:02:20,073 --> 00:02:22,142 SCHOOLED HAS SURGED IN RECENT YEARS. 51 00:02:22,242 --> 00:02:24,477 IS THIS A RESULT OF THE SCHOOL CHOICE MOVEMENT? 52 00:02:24,577 --> 00:02:26,012 >> WELL TOM THIS A BIG TOPIC I THINK WE WE COULD SPEND THE 53 00:02:26,112 --> 00:02:28,681 WHOLE HALF HOUR JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS TOPIC ALONE, BUT 54 00:02:28,781 --> 00:02:30,183 THHERE'S 3 QUICK POINTS, I WANT TO MAKE. 55 00:02:30,283 --> 00:02:31,851 NUMBER ONE, I THINK IT'S A BAD THING. 56 00:02:31,951 --> 00:02:34,487 I THINK IT SCHOOLS ARE PUBLIC SCHOOLS OR WHERE WE 57 00:02:34,587 --> 00:02:36,990 COME TOGETHER AS A SOCIETY WHERE KIDS LEARN TO READ AND 58 00:02:37,090 --> 00:02:39,626 WRITE AND TO THINK IN ALL THOSE IMPORTANT THINGS BUT IT'S ALSO 59 00:02:39,726 --> 00:02:42,195 WHAT WE LEARNED SOCIAL VALUES THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE SOCIAL 60 00:02:42,295 --> 00:02:46,032 COHESION IS SO CRITICAL TO OUR SOCIETY. GOING FORWARD OUR KIDS 61 00:02:46,132 --> 00:02:48,635 NEED TO LEARN TO LIVE WITH OTHER PEOPLE NUMBER 2 SCHOOL 62 00:02:48,735 --> 00:02:51,204 CHOICE MOVEMENT CLEARLY PLAYING A ROLE IN THAT I ALSO THINK THE 63 00:02:51,304 --> 00:02:54,107 MOVE TO RE SEGREGATE ARE SCHOOLS THAT YOU ALLUDED TO IS 64 00:02:54,207 --> 00:02:57,143 A BIG DRIVER OF THIS. AND THE 3RD POINT I'LL MAKE IS THAT, 65 00:02:57,243 --> 00:02:59,445 I THINK IT'S REALLY BEING DRIVEN FIRST AND FOREMOST BY 66 00:02:59,546 --> 00:03:02,081 ARE SUSTAINED US INVESTMENT AND PUBLIC EDUCATION, THE REASON 67 00:03:02,182 --> 00:03:04,684 PARENTS ARE OPTING OUT IN MANY INSTANCES OF SENDING THEIR 68 00:03:04,784 --> 00:03:06,786 PARENT THEIR KIDS TO TRADITIONAL SCHOOLS. IT'S 69 00:03:06,886 --> 00:03:08,821 BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE SMALL CLASS SIZES. THEY DON'T HAVE 70 00:03:08,922 --> 00:03:11,491 THE ONE ON ONE ATTENTION THAT THEY WANT FOR THE KIDS THAT 71 00:03:11,591 --> 00:03:13,793 WILL HAVE THE TEXTBOOKS, THE MATERIALS ALL THOSE THINGS THAT 72 00:03:13,893 --> 00:03:16,296 WE'RE UNDER FUNDING IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS. 73 00:03:16,396 --> 00:03:17,964 >> LET'S BEAR DOWN ON SOME OF THIS. 74 00:03:18,064 --> 00:03:19,232 WE'VE SEEN SOME REPORTS THAT 75 00:03:19,332 --> 00:03:25,205 SHOW THAT 30% OF THE CHARTER SCHOOLS ARE 80% WHITE, WHICH IS 76 00:03:25,305 --> 00:03:29,042 A STARK CONTRAST TO THE MAJORITY OF THE TRADITIONAL 77 00:03:29,142 --> 00:03:32,812 SCHOOLS, ONLY 14% HAVE THAT MUCH IN 30% OF THE STUDENTS ARE 78 00:03:32,912 --> 00:03:37,183 LOW INCOME IN CHARTERS WHERE IS IT'S 50 50 IN MOST TRADITIONAL 79 00:03:37,283 --> 00:03:41,621 SCHOOLS. A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY THE PART OF THE REASON FOR THIS 80 00:03:41,721 --> 00:03:44,157 IS THE FACT THAT CHARTER SCHOOLS DON'T HAVE TO PROVIDE 81 00:03:44,257 --> 00:03:46,559 TRANSPORTATION FOR THEIR STUDENTS AND THEY ALSO DON'T 82 00:03:46,659 --> 00:03:51,297 HAVE TO PROVIDE A BREAKFAST IN MUCH THE HOW BIG A FACTOR DO 83 00:03:51,397 --> 00:03:53,633 YOU THINK THIS IS IN THE POSSIBLE 84 00:03:53,733 --> 00:03:55,468 RESEGREGATING OF SCHOOLS? 85 00:03:55,568 --> 00:03:58,705 >> PARENTS ARE MAKING CHOICES AND IN SOME CASES PARENTS ARE 86 00:03:58,805 --> 00:04:02,675 BANDING TOGETHER. AND SO THEY CAN CAR POOL THEY CAN DO 87 00:04:02,775 --> 00:04:06,412 THINGS AND NO DOUBT THAT EVERY FAMILY LOOKS AT DIFFERENT 88 00:04:06,512 --> 00:04:09,449 THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO THEM AIRPORT AND TO THEIR KIDS 89 00:04:09,549 --> 00:04:12,151 I DON'T THINK YOU CAN JUST SAY WELL, IT'S BECAUSE OF THIS OR 90 00:04:12,252 --> 00:04:16,155 IT'S BECAUSE OF THAT. FOR ME MY VIEW IS THAT WHAT'S WINNING IS 91 00:04:16,256 --> 00:04:20,593 A STORY REALLY OF HOPE. IT'S A STORY OF OPPORTUNITY NO LONGER 92 00:04:20,693 --> 00:04:24,230 DEPEND PARENTS HAVE TO JUST SAY WELL, THIS IS IT IF MY SON OR 93 00:04:24,330 --> 00:04:27,500 DAUGHTER IS DOING WELL GREAT. BUT MY SON OR DAUGHTER ISN'T 94 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:31,170 DOING WELL. I DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A CHOICE TO DO SOMETHING 95 00:04:31,271 --> 00:04:34,073 ELSE SO I DON'T SEE THIS AS A NEGATIVE AT ALL NO ONE'S BEING 96 00:04:34,173 --> 00:04:37,610 COERCED TO DO ANYTHING THIS IS ABOUT PARENTS FINALLY HAVING 97 00:04:37,710 --> 00:04:38,878 MORE OF A SAY. 98 00:04:38,978 --> 00:04:42,382 >> JOHN THAT THE FACTS ARE INESCAPABLE WE LOST 6500 KIDS 99 00:04:42,482 --> 00:04:44,384 IN TRADITIONAL SCHOOLS LAST YEAR. 100 00:04:44,484 --> 00:04:47,153 >> WHO IS WE, EXACTLY? >> THE TRADITIONAL SCHOOLS. 101 00:04:47,253 --> 00:04:49,956 >> THE DISTRICT SCHOOLS HAD A DECLINE IN ENROLLMENT 102 00:04:50,056 --> 00:04:52,425 MUCH OF IT BECAUSE OF HOME SCHOOLING AND CHARTER SCHOOLING 103 00:04:52,525 --> 00:04:55,428 AND A LITTLE BIT IN THE PRIVATE SCHOOLING AREA, I 104 00:04:55,528 --> 00:04:58,364 DISAGREE WITH ROB ABOUT HIS FINAL EXPLANATION, I JUST DON'T 105 00:04:58,464 --> 00:05:01,501 THINK IT COMPORT WITH REALITY THESE ARE THESE ARE FAMILIES 106 00:05:01,601 --> 00:05:03,670 THAT ARE LEAVING THE VAST MAJORITY OF CASES TO SCHOOLS 107 00:05:03,770 --> 00:05:06,406 THAT HAVE LESS MONEY THE DISH RISK ULTIMATELY DID BECAUSE 108 00:05:06,506 --> 00:05:09,709 ADDITIONAL SCHOOLS, BLACK MONEY BECAUSE OTHERWISE THEY WHY 109 00:05:09,809 --> 00:05:12,345 WOULD THEY LEAVE THEY'RE GOING TO PRIVATE SCHOOLS THAT ARE 110 00:05:12,445 --> 00:05:16,549 ALMOST ALWAYS LOWER COSTS AND LOWER REVENUE OR TO CHARTER 111 00:05:16,649 --> 00:05:18,751 SCHOOLS WHICH HAVE LOWER AMOUNTS OF MONEY THAN THE 112 00:05:18,851 --> 00:05:21,921 DISTRICT'S SCHOOLS. I THINK IT IS A CHOICE DISCUSSION. I THINK 113 00:05:22,021 --> 00:05:24,524 IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THERE ARE SOME AFFECTS IN THE 114 00:05:24,624 --> 00:05:26,693 COMPOSITION OF THE ROLE THAT DOES HAVE TO DO WITH THINGS 115 00:05:26,793 --> 00:05:29,796 LIKE TRANSPORTATION. I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY TRUE, BUT I 116 00:05:29,896 --> 00:05:32,765 ALSO THINK THAT FOR EXAMPLE, CHARTER SCHOOLS DON'T HAVE A 117 00:05:32,865 --> 00:05:35,134 LOWER PERCENTAGE OF AFRICAN AMERICAN STUDENTS, THE DISTRICT 118 00:05:35,234 --> 00:05:37,804 SCHOOLS TO THE REAL DIFFERENCES, HISPANIC STUDENTS 119 00:05:37,904 --> 00:05:40,173 THAT'S WHERE THE THAT'S WHERE THERE'S A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF 120 00:05:40,273 --> 00:05:43,076 WHITE STUDENTS, A LOW PERCENTAGE OF HISPANIC STUDENTS 121 00:05:43,176 --> 00:05:45,478 IN CHARTER SCHOOLS IS NOT SO MUCH ABOUT AFRICAN-AMERICANS. 122 00:05:45,578 --> 00:05:47,480 >> THIS WAS GREAT, BUT ONE THING WE'VE LEFT A LITTLE BIT 123 00:05:47,580 --> 00:05:50,016 AS THE NOT JUST THE BUDGET MEMBER WE'RE FUNDING PUBLIC 124 00:05:50,116 --> 00:05:51,517 SCHOOLS, ROB IS RIGHT, LESS PER CAPITA THAN WE WERE BEFORE THE 125 00:05:51,617 --> 00:05:55,154 GREAT RECESSION. BUT WE ALSO BEEN THROUGH A PERIOD OF ATTACK 126 00:05:55,254 --> 00:05:57,924 ON PUBLIC SCHOOLS, GOVERNMENT MONOPOLY SCHOOLS. WE GIVE 127 00:05:58,024 --> 00:06:00,093 SCHOOLS AN "F" IF THEY HAVE A LOT OF POOR KIDS IN THEM 128 00:06:00,193 --> 00:06:02,862 AUTOMATICALLY, IMAGINE IF YOUR KID SOMEWHERE, NORTH CAROLINA 129 00:06:02,962 --> 00:06:05,264 AND YOUR KIDS DOING OKAY IN SCHOOL AND YOU GET A BIG FAT F 130 00:06:05,365 --> 00:06:08,534 IN THE MAIL OR YOU SEE OH MY GOSH MY 131 00:06:08,634 --> 00:06:11,170 KID'S SCHOOL IS TERRIBLE, WHEN IT'S ACTUALLY NOT AND THE 132 00:06:11,270 --> 00:06:13,706 KIDS ARE IMPROVING. THERE'S A LOT OF THAT MIXED MESSAGES THAT 133 00:06:13,806 --> 00:06:15,675 HAVE BEEN SAID ABOUT PUBLIC EDUCATION BY THE FOLKS IN 134 00:06:15,775 --> 00:06:18,511 CHARGE AND WE ALSO I THINK PROBABLY HAVE FLIPPED OUT 135 00:06:18,611 --> 00:06:21,447 ANOTHER DRIVING FORCE WHICH IS A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE MAKING A 136 00:06:21,547 --> 00:06:23,282 LOT OF MONEY ON THE PRIVATIZATION OF PUBLIC 137 00:06:23,383 --> 00:06:25,685 EDUCATION CHARTER SCHOOL CHAINS, EVEN THOUGH THE 138 00:06:25,785 --> 00:06:28,087 CHARTERS THERE ARE NONPROFITS ARE LEASING FIRM FOR PROFIT 139 00:06:28,187 --> 00:06:30,857 CORPORATIONS, THERE'S BIG MONEY IN EDUCATION THAT THE STATE 140 00:06:30,957 --> 00:06:32,925 USED TO PAY FOR THAT NOW PRIVATE COMPANIES ARE MAKING 141 00:06:33,025 --> 00:06:34,227 MONEY OFF. 142 00:06:34,327 --> 00:06:36,562 >> I AGREE THAT THIS IS ANTI PUBLIC SCHOOL WHATSOEVER THAT 143 00:06:36,662 --> 00:06:38,898 TRADITIONAL PUBLIC SCHOOL CLASSROOMS -- 144 00:06:38,998 --> 00:06:40,833 >> DIDN'T SAY ANYONE IS MAKING MONEY OFF OF IT. 145 00:06:40,933 --> 00:06:42,335 >> IT'S NOT ANTI PUBLIC SCHOOL 146 00:06:42,435 --> 00:06:44,404 TO WANT TO GIVE PARENTS CHOICES SO WITH 147 00:06:44,504 --> 00:06:46,906 YOUR EXAMPLE CHRIS, WHAT THAT IMAGINE THAT YOU'RE THE 148 00:06:47,006 --> 00:06:50,143 PARENT WHOSE CHILD COMES HOME AND ISN'T DOING WELL FOR ALL 149 00:06:50,243 --> 00:06:53,012 SORTS OF REASONS, MAYBE IF YOUR CHILD IS BEING BULLIED MAYBE 150 00:06:53,112 --> 00:06:56,182 THEY HAVE AN APTITUDE IT'S NOT BEING ADDRESSED MAYBE THEY JUST 151 00:06:56,282 --> 00:07:00,052 THEY CAN'T DO WELL IN A LARGE CLASSROOM OR SMALL CLASSROOM. 152 00:07:00,153 --> 00:07:01,387 WHY WOULD A PARENT 153 00:07:01,487 --> 00:07:04,524 NOT BE ABLE TO SAY, LOOK THIS IS MY CHILD I WANT THE BEST FOR 154 00:07:04,624 --> 00:07:06,192 THAT CHILD. >> THEY CAN SAY THAT. 155 00:07:06,292 --> 00:07:09,128 [BOTH DEBATING] 156 00:07:09,228 --> 00:07:09,962 >> THEY'VE ALWAYS A CHOICE 157 00:07:10,062 --> 00:07:11,664 THE QUESTION IS SHOULD WE PAY - 158 00:07:11,764 --> 00:07:14,300 SHOULD WE LITERALLY TAXPAYER MONEY BE PAID TO TELL KIDS THAT 159 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:19,338 TO TELL KIDS THAT DINOSAURS AND HUMANS SHARED THE EARTH -- 160 00:07:19,439 --> 00:07:21,007 [ALL TALKING] 161 00:07:21,107 --> 00:07:22,975 >> THE MONEY SHOULD FOLLOW THE STUDENTS. 162 00:07:23,075 --> 00:07:24,177 >> NO MATTER WHAT NO MATTER WHAT THE PARENT WANTS 163 00:07:24,277 --> 00:07:25,812 THE MATTER IF THEY WANT TO TELL KIDS THAT ARE THINGS ARE 164 00:07:25,912 --> 00:07:29,816 ABSOLUTELY WRONG TO TAXPAYERS SUBSIDIZE A TERRIBLY FLAWED 165 00:07:29,916 --> 00:07:31,984 >> YOU'RE TALKING PRIMARILY ABOUT PRIVATE SCHOOLS. 166 00:07:32,084 --> 00:07:33,986 >> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PRIVAATE SCHOOLS. 167 00:07:34,086 --> 00:07:36,422 >> WELL, WE WE'RE TALKING MORE ABOUT CHARTERS 168 00:07:36,522 --> 00:07:38,057 >> SHOULD THE TAXPAYERS SUBSIDIZED A PUBLIC 169 00:07:38,157 --> 00:07:39,392 CLASSROOM THAT ISN'T WORKING? 170 00:07:39,492 --> 00:07:40,726 >> YOU DIDN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION FIRST. 171 00:07:40,827 --> 00:07:42,061 >> WELL YOU ANSWER MINE TOO. 172 00:07:42,161 --> 00:07:43,362 >> WHAT THE TAXPAYERS TO DO IS FIX THE 173 00:07:43,463 --> 00:07:45,598 SCHOOL WE HAVE WE HAVE THE ELECTIONS FOR SCHOOL BOARDS. 174 00:07:45,698 --> 00:07:47,967 WE HAVE PUBLIC INPUT, WE HAVE MAGNET PROGRAM THEY HAVE A LOT 175 00:07:48,067 --> 00:07:50,803 CHOICE IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS. >> WE CAN ALWAYS MAYBE 176 00:07:50,903 --> 00:07:53,940 KIND OF SEVERAL YEARS FROM NOW INFLUENCE A SCHOOL BOARD 177 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,944 ELECTION IS A VERY -- [ALL JUMPING IN, DEBATING] 178 00:07:58,044 --> 00:08:00,246 >> WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION IN OUR 179 00:08:00,346 --> 00:08:02,548 FAMILY FRANKLY, AND THEN OPTED TO GO TO A PRIVATE SCHOOL 180 00:08:02,648 --> 00:08:05,485 AT THE BY THE WAY ABOUT DISCLOSURE OF GOT TO TELL YOU I 181 00:08:05,585 --> 00:08:08,054 HAVE WRITTEN A COLUMN ABOUT THAT THIS WEEK'S COLUMN OF MY 182 00:08:08,154 --> 00:08:12,492 SPIN ON NCSPIN.COM IS ABOUT THIS. ROB, THE BIG THING 183 00:08:12,592 --> 00:08:15,795 THOUGH IS THAT WHEN CHARTER SCHOOLS WERE FIRST AND VISION 184 00:08:15,895 --> 00:08:18,931 SO THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE LABORATORIES OF INNOVATION THEY 185 00:08:19,031 --> 00:08:23,569 WERE GIVEN CONSENT BILLY MORE LEEWAY THAN WERE TRADITIONAL 186 00:08:23,669 --> 00:08:27,440 SCHOOLS OR AS JOHN CALLS AND DISSED SCHOOLS WHICH INCLUDED 187 00:08:27,540 --> 00:08:31,344 THINGS LIKE THE ACADEMIC CALENDAR TEACHER WORK DAYS, 188 00:08:31,444 --> 00:08:35,181 CURRICULUM TEACHER CHOIR MONTHS, CLASS SIZE THINGS OF 189 00:08:35,281 --> 00:08:38,918 THIS NATURE, MY QUESTION IN THE POINT I GET TO IN MY COLUMN IS 190 00:08:39,018 --> 00:08:42,755 OK IF THAT IT AND THE RESULTS BY THE WAY INDICATE THAT 191 00:08:42,855 --> 00:08:47,460 CHARTERS ARE DOING ABOUT AS WELL ON ALL PAR WITH OUR 192 00:08:47,560 --> 00:08:51,230 TRADITIONAL SCHOOLS. SHOULDN'T WE GIVE THIS SAME FLEXIBILITY 193 00:08:51,330 --> 00:08:54,600 TO OUR DISTRICT SCHOOLS, OUR TRADITIONAL SCHOOLS IF IT WORKS 194 00:08:54,700 --> 00:08:55,902 LET'S DO IT. 195 00:08:56,002 --> 00:08:59,472 >> IF SOME OF THOSE IDEAS ARE WORTH, EMULATING SURE THAT WHEN 196 00:08:59,572 --> 00:09:02,074 WE ALLOW THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS TO MAKE THOSE USES OR THAT 197 00:09:02,174 --> 00:09:04,043 THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE DEFINITELY CAN GET MORE FREEDOM 198 00:09:04,143 --> 00:09:06,913 TO BUT THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE SEEING THESE GREAT 199 00:09:07,013 --> 00:09:09,048 IDEAS THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO GET FROM THE CHARTERS ARE NOT 200 00:09:09,148 --> 00:09:11,183 PERCOLATING BACK TO THE SCHOOLS BECAUSE THE GREAT IDEAS ARE 201 00:09:11,284 --> 00:09:14,620 THINGS LIKE SMALLER CLASS SIZES HAVING TEXT BOOKS FOR KIDS, 202 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,156 BASIC STUFF THAT ALL SCHOOLS ARE TO PROVIDE AND IF WE DID 203 00:09:17,256 --> 00:09:19,325 PROVIDE THEM IN THE TRADITIONAL PUBLIC SCHOOLS, PEOPLE WOULDN'T 204 00:09:19,425 --> 00:09:21,861 BE OPTING OUT YOU ASKED WHY THEY GO TO A CHARTER THEY GO 205 00:09:21,961 --> 00:09:24,297 A VOUCHER SCHOOL, I WANT A SMALLER CLASS SIZE AND WANT 206 00:09:24,397 --> 00:09:25,765 MORE INDIVIDUALIZED ATTENTION. 207 00:09:25,865 --> 00:09:27,099 THAT'S WHAT THEY'LL SAY -- 208 00:09:27,199 --> 00:09:28,901 >> AND NOT TO ARGUE, BUT RESULTS AND 209 00:09:29,001 --> 00:09:32,638 PERFORMANCE SEEM TO TRACK SO FAR AS TRADITIONAL SCHOOLS ARE 210 00:09:32,738 --> 00:09:35,675 CONCERNED I WILL SWITCH OVER TO ANOTHER TOPIC IT BACK AND 211 00:09:35,775 --> 00:09:38,611 THERE'S A BIG CONTROVERSY HAS BEEN GOING ON THE LAST COUPLE 212 00:09:38,711 --> 00:09:41,948 OF WEEKS SUPERINTENDENT OF PUBLIC INSTRUCTION MARK JOHNSON 213 00:09:42,048 --> 00:09:45,952 AWARDED THE CONTRACT FROM NORTH CAROLINA'S K 3 DIAGNOSTIC 214 00:09:46,052 --> 00:09:49,388 READING ASSESSMENT NOW HE CLAIMED IT WAS BECAUSE OF A 215 00:09:49,488 --> 00:09:52,959 RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS MADE BY AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE NOW WE 216 00:09:53,059 --> 00:09:56,329 FUNDING THAT HE DIDN'T FOLLOW THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE'S CHOICE 217 00:09:56,429 --> 00:09:59,098 IS THIS HUBBUB JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE WE'RE UPSET WITH THE 218 00:09:59,198 --> 00:10:01,934 FARMING CHOSE OR THAT HE MISREPRESENTED HIS ACTIONS. 219 00:10:02,034 --> 00:10:04,403 >> I THINK BOTH I MEAN IT'S PRETTY AMAZING THAT HE WOULD 220 00:10:04,503 --> 00:10:06,572 MAKE A REPRESENTATION OF SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN 221 00:10:06,672 --> 00:10:09,475 AND THEN TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT. I THINK 222 00:10:09,575 --> 00:10:11,677 THAT'S WHY YOU SAW A MOVE IN THE LEGISLATURE FROM DEMOCRATIC 223 00:10:11,777 --> 00:10:14,347 SENATORS ARE SAYING WHAT'S THAT SUSPEND THIS FOR YEARS SO MAKE 224 00:10:14,447 --> 00:10:17,583 A DECISION FOR YEAR THE COMPANY THAT HE CHOSE NOT HAVE NEARLY 225 00:10:17,683 --> 00:10:19,919 AS GOOD A RECORD DEALING WITH KIDS WITH LEARNING DISABILITIES 226 00:10:20,019 --> 00:10:23,389 DYSLEXIA AND OTHER THINGS. I THINK THE SUPER 10 WAS CAUGHT 227 00:10:23,489 --> 00:10:26,425 HERE MAKING A POLITICAL DECISION AND NOW IT'S TRYING TO 228 00:10:26,525 --> 00:10:28,461 GET BACK OUT OF IT. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD LET HIM. 229 00:10:28,561 --> 00:10:30,796 >> SHOULD WE VOID THIS CONTRACT? 230 00:10:30,896 --> 00:10:33,032 >> WELL, I'D LIKE TO LEARN A LOT MORE ABOUT IT 231 00:10:33,132 --> 00:10:35,401 THE SUPERINTENDENT'S POSITION AS I UNDERSTAND IT IS 232 00:10:35,501 --> 00:10:37,870 THAT THAT THAT ADVISORY REVIEW, 233 00:10:37,970 --> 00:10:40,373 WAS IT SELF TAINTED BY SOME CONFLICTS OF INTEREST. 234 00:10:40,473 --> 00:10:42,041 >> YES, BUT AT FIRST, HE SAID HE WAS 235 00:10:42,141 --> 00:10:43,909 FOLLOWING THE ADVICE OF THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE 236 00:10:44,010 --> 00:10:46,779 >> I THINK WE NEED TO LEARN MORE OF THE DETAILS. 237 00:10:46,879 --> 00:10:49,815 >> THE COMPANY IS THREATENING THE TEACHERS WHO EXPOSE 238 00:10:49,915 --> 00:10:52,318 THIS WITH CEASE AND DESIST ORDERS WHEN WE MIGHT WANT TO BE 239 00:10:52,418 --> 00:10:54,654 CAREFUL WE MIGHT GET ONE OF THOSE ON NC SPIN IF -- 240 00:10:54,754 --> 00:10:57,623 >> CEASE AND DESIST? [ALL TALKING] 241 00:10:57,723 --> 00:11:00,092 >> WOULD THAT MEAN WE'D HAVE TO DUCT TAPE OUR MOUTHS? 242 00:11:00,192 --> 00:11:02,695 >> WE MIGHT, THAT COULD HAPPEN. 243 00:11:02,795 --> 00:11:04,296 DONNA THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF 244 00:11:04,397 --> 00:11:07,967 TURNOVER IN DPI SINCE MARK JOHNSON HAS BECOME OR OUR STATE 245 00:11:08,067 --> 00:11:11,137 SUPERINTENDENT, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE QUESTIONING IS THIS 246 00:11:11,237 --> 00:11:14,840 BECAUSE NEW LEADERSHIP IN AND OF ITSELF IS GOING TO PUT 247 00:11:14,940 --> 00:11:18,711 PEOPLE AND THAT THEY FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH OR IS IT A 248 00:11:18,811 --> 00:11:21,347 COMMENTARY. OMAR, JOHNSON'S LEADERSHIP. 249 00:11:21,447 --> 00:11:25,518 >> I THINK THAT TURNOVER IS NOT NECESSARILY A BAD THING, 250 00:11:25,618 --> 00:11:30,122 BUT YOU HAD LEADERSHIP DPI THAT WAS PRETTY CONSISTENT FOR YEAR 251 00:11:30,222 --> 00:11:33,259 AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR PEOPLE GOT COMFORTABLE, IF PEOPLE 252 00:11:33,359 --> 00:11:36,362 WANTED TO STAY SOME PEOPLE STAY BECAUSE THEY BELIEVED IN THE 253 00:11:36,462 --> 00:11:39,331 FOCUS THEY BELIEVED IN THAT THE LEADERSHIP. OTHER PEOPLE LOOKED 254 00:11:39,432 --> 00:11:41,934 AT IT LIKE THIS IS MY JOB, I HAVE A CAREER HERE, BUT IF 255 00:11:42,034 --> 00:11:44,570 SOMEONE COMES IN HAPPENS IN ANY ORGANIZATION, WHETHER IT'S 256 00:11:44,670 --> 00:11:47,573 STATE GOVERNMENT OR PRIVATE ENTERPRISE OR NONPROFIT, 257 00:11:47,673 --> 00:11:50,009 BECAUSE SOMEONE WHO THINKS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY. SOME 258 00:11:50,109 --> 00:11:51,077 PEOPLE REACT WELL. 259 00:11:51,177 --> 00:11:52,745 AND RISE TO THE OCCASION, OTHERS DON'T. 260 00:11:52,845 --> 00:11:53,979 >> SO LET ME ASK YOU ROB, THE 261 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:58,350 TURNOVER IS THIS IS JUST BECAUSE, AS DONNA SAYS, A NEW 262 00:11:58,451 --> 00:12:01,754 LEADERSHIP CAN CHOOSE NEW PEOPLE OR IS IT A COMMENTARY ON 263 00:12:01,854 --> 00:12:03,122 MARK JOHNSON'S LEADERSHIP. 264 00:12:03,222 --> 00:12:05,558 >> IT IS MOSTLY THE LATTER WE HAD A STORY BY OUR REPORTER 265 00:12:05,658 --> 00:12:07,560 GREG CHILDRESS DIDN'T SEE POLICY WATCH WROTE A STORY 266 00:12:07,660 --> 00:12:09,195 ABOUT THIS EARLIER THIS WEEK, THE NUMBERS ARE PRETTY 267 00:12:09,295 --> 00:12:11,897 IMPRESSIVE PRETTY STRIKING AT HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TO 268 00:12:11,997 --> 00:12:15,000 HAVE TRANSITIONED OUT A LOT OF THE PEOPLE JUST GOT SICK OF IT. 269 00:12:15,101 --> 00:12:17,269 THEY WERE DISGUSTED WITH THE SITUATION THEY LEFT BECAUSE 270 00:12:17,369 --> 00:12:20,172 THEY WERE DEDICATED EDUCATORS AND I THINK SOME OF THE PEOPLE. 271 00:12:20,272 --> 00:12:22,341 THE JOHNSON HAS BROUGHT IN HAVE NOW LEFT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT 272 00:12:22,441 --> 00:12:24,643 REALLY EDUCATORS THEIR INTEREST IN A POLITICAL CAREER WHICH I 273 00:12:24,744 --> 00:12:27,146 THINK MIGHT ACTUALLY BE THE CASE WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT. 274 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,483 >> CERTAINLY IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD WATCH AS WE GO 275 00:12:30,583 --> 00:12:33,285 FORWARD AND LET'S MOVE OVER THE QUESTION OF TESTING WE'VE 276 00:12:33,385 --> 00:12:35,888 TALKED ABOUT THIS TIME MANY YEARS WE TALK ABOUT TESTING ON 277 00:12:35,988 --> 00:12:38,557 NC SPIN, JOHN? >> IS THAT A TEST? 278 00:12:38,657 --> 00:12:42,862 [ALL TALKING] >> I SAY THREE! 279 00:12:42,962 --> 00:12:45,865 >> PEOPLE HAVE COMPLAINED FOR YEARS ABOUT TOO MANY TEST BEING 280 00:12:45,965 --> 00:12:48,667 GIVEN TO OUR STUDENTS AND THE LEGISLATURE WANTED TO REDUCE 281 00:12:48,768 --> 00:12:52,171 THE NUMBER OF TEST BOTH THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE PASSED 282 00:12:52,271 --> 00:12:57,476 BILLS WHICH WOULD DO THAT FOR THE ELEMENT TREE MIDDLE AND 283 00:12:57,576 --> 00:13:00,513 HIGH SCHOOLS, BUT THE NORTH CAROLINA CHAMBER SAID NOT SO 284 00:13:00,613 --> 00:13:04,216 FAST HERE. WE NEED MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS AND 285 00:13:04,316 --> 00:13:05,551 WHAT TO REDUCE. 286 00:13:05,651 --> 00:13:08,420 WHAT'S YOUR OPINION ABOUT THIS TESTING? 287 00:13:08,521 --> 00:13:11,190 >> WELL, I UNDERSTAND THE NEED AND HAVE ADVOCATED FOR A LONG 288 00:13:11,290 --> 00:13:14,093 TIME THE NEED TO CHANGE OR OR ADAPTERS IN SOME CASES 289 00:13:14,193 --> 00:13:16,462 STREAMLINE OUR TESTING PROGRAM I THINK THE CHAMBER WAS 290 00:13:16,562 --> 00:13:20,032 CONCERNED I SUSPECT NOT AS MUCH ABOUT THE HIGH SCHOOL CHANGE 291 00:13:20,132 --> 00:13:23,035 THAT MAY BE THE HIGH SCHOOL CHANGES TO GET RID OF SOME TASK 292 00:13:23,135 --> 00:13:25,838 BECAUSE WE'RE NOW AT MINISTERING THE A C T TO ALL OF 293 00:13:25,938 --> 00:13:28,574 OUR HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS WHICH IS A CONSISTENT NATIONAL START 294 00:13:28,674 --> 00:13:32,511 I LIKE HAVING CONSISTENT INDEPENDENT NATIONAL TO BE ANY 295 00:13:32,611 --> 00:13:35,581 BETTER IMPAIRED OTHER STAR AT YOU SO, BUT I THINK THE CONCERN 296 00:13:35,681 --> 00:13:39,485 IS PROBABLY GREATER IN THE A 3 TO 8 GRADE BECAUSE WHAT THEY'RE 297 00:13:39,585 --> 00:13:42,121 DOING IS TAKEN INTO GREAT COURSES AND THEY'RE REPLACING 298 00:13:42,221 --> 00:13:45,057 THEM WITH WHAT IS NOW CALLED AND WILL BE CHANGED ITS NAME 299 00:13:45,157 --> 00:13:48,961 EVENTUALLY THE CALL CHECKINS 3 TESTS A YEAR AND YOU BASICALLY 300 00:13:49,061 --> 00:13:52,398 USE THEM TOGETHER NOW THAT SOUNDS ODD BECAUSE IF YOU TALK 301 00:13:52,498 --> 00:13:55,367 ABOUT TOO MANY TESTING AND MORE TEST THAT SOUNDS CONFUSING THE 302 00:13:55,467 --> 00:13:58,304 ARGUMENT IS THAT A NUMBER OF DISTRICTS ALREADY USING 3 TESTS 303 00:13:58,404 --> 00:14:01,607 A YEAR PLUS THE END OF GREAT YEAH, AND SO YOU WOULD TRY TO 304 00:14:01,707 --> 00:14:04,176 USE THE FACT THAT I AM CONCERNED I I AGREE WITH THE 305 00:14:04,276 --> 00:14:08,347 CHAMBER, I'M CONCERNED IF THAT INSTRUMENT IS REALLY VALID AND 306 00:14:08,447 --> 00:14:12,551 REALLY HELPFUL BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS WORK ON AT LEAST HAS 307 00:14:12,651 --> 00:14:16,121 AND I'M QUESTIONING THE TASK AT LEAST WE HAVE A LONG HISTORY OF 308 00:14:16,222 --> 00:14:19,024 GIVING SOMETHING LIKE THE SAME TEST OVER A LONG PERIOD TIME 309 00:14:19,124 --> 00:14:21,493 AND THAT HAS ALLOWED RESEARCHERS NOT JUST NORTH 310 00:14:21,594 --> 00:14:24,763 CAROLINA, BUT ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO EVALUATE AND STUDY 311 00:14:24,864 --> 00:14:26,265 EDUCATION REFORMS IN NORTH CAROLINA. 312 00:14:26,365 --> 00:14:27,766 >> FOR YEARS AND YEARS - I WILL HAVE TO SAY THIS - 313 00:14:27,867 --> 00:14:29,735 FOR YEARS AND YEARS THE NORTH CAROLINA CHAMBER HED 314 00:14:29,835 --> 00:14:34,073 BEEN AN INTEGRAL PARTNER IN PLAYER IN PUBLIC EDUCATION IN 315 00:14:34,173 --> 00:14:36,842 NORTH CAROLINA AND FOR YEARS THAT KIND OF DISAPPEARED, 316 00:14:36,942 --> 00:14:39,511 GARY SALAMIDO WHO'S THE INTERIM OR ACTING 317 00:14:39,612 --> 00:14:40,846 >> I THINK THEY'RE TRYING 318 00:14:40,946 --> 00:14:42,348 TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER CHANGES THEY 319 00:14:42,448 --> 00:14:46,252 MIGHT MAKE BECAUSE THERE IS SOME PRESSURE ABOUT TEST DON'T 320 00:14:46,352 --> 00:14:48,921 TAKE AWAY INFORMATION THAT WE NEED TO EVALUATE NOT JUST 321 00:14:49,021 --> 00:14:51,590 INDIVIDUAL STUDENTS WHICH IS PART OF THE REASON BUT ALSO 322 00:14:51,690 --> 00:14:55,060 EVALUATE SCHOOLS OF IWATE WAYS OF TEACHING OF IWATE POLICY 323 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:59,398 CHANGES OF IT AT THE STATE OR LOCAL LEVEL THIS IS IMPORTANT 324 00:14:59,498 --> 00:15:01,033 GOVERNMENTS MATERIAL WE NEED. 325 00:15:01,133 --> 00:15:04,103 >> YOU'VE BEEN VERY POLITE WAITING FOR YOUR TURN. GO AHEAD. 326 00:15:04,203 --> 00:15:05,437 >> THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A HIGH STAKES TEST 327 00:15:05,537 --> 00:15:07,106 THAT THE CHILD MIGHT ACTUALLY BE HELD 328 00:15:07,206 --> 00:15:10,209 BACK OR PUNISHED AS A RESULT AND FEEL THAT INTENSE PRESSURE 329 00:15:10,309 --> 00:15:14,013 FROM A TEST THAT IS DIAGNOSTIC SYSTEMWIDE KIND OF DIAGNOSES 330 00:15:14,113 --> 00:15:16,448 WERE TOO AND TO DO WITH IT ON THIS CRAZY ROLLER COASTER WHEN 331 00:15:16,548 --> 00:15:18,717 IT COMES TO TESTING FIRST WE HAD TO DO LOTS OF TESTING 332 00:15:18,817 --> 00:15:20,953 BECAUSE WE WANT MORE ACCOUNTABILITY IN SCHOOLS NOW 333 00:15:21,053 --> 00:15:22,888 SOME OF THE SAME PEOPLE WHO PUSHED INITIALLY ARE PUSHING 334 00:15:22,988 --> 00:15:25,224 BACK THE OTHER DIRECTION GOT TO FIND SOME COMMON GROUND AT ALL 335 00:15:25,324 --> 00:15:27,293 COME BACK TO THAT THEME. I MENTIONED EARLIER AS IF WE 336 00:15:27,393 --> 00:15:29,762 INVESTED ENOUGH FOR SCHOOLS AND GAVE THE TEACHERS THE TOOLS 337 00:15:29,862 --> 00:15:32,364 THEY NEED TO EDUCATE OUR KIDS THE TESTING ISSUE WOULDN'T BE 338 00:15:32,464 --> 00:15:33,565 SUCH A CONTROVERSY. 339 00:15:33,666 --> 00:15:35,868 >> WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON GROWTH. THAT'S WHY 340 00:15:35,968 --> 00:15:38,337 I LIKE THE IDEA OF MULTIPLE TESTS DURING THE YEAR BECAUSE 341 00:15:38,437 --> 00:15:42,241 YOU'RE MEASURING A CHILD'S GROWTH. IS THAT CHILD LEARNING - 342 00:15:42,341 --> 00:15:44,143 >> FROM START OF YEAR >> YEAH, EXACTLY. 343 00:15:44,243 --> 00:15:45,778 ARE THEY LEARNING OR ARE THEY NOT 344 00:15:45,878 --> 00:15:48,914 AND THEN WHAT ARE THEY LEARNING AND YOU CAN GO FORWARD THE 345 00:15:49,014 --> 00:15:52,985 ENTIRE WORLD IS GOING TOWARDS ON DEMAND MORE PERSONALIZED 346 00:15:53,085 --> 00:15:54,453 EVERYTHING. 347 00:15:54,553 --> 00:15:55,988 THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE TO GO. WITH EDUCATION. 348 00:15:56,088 --> 00:15:58,724 >> I WANT TO SWITCH OVER TO A TOPIC THAT YOU GOT STARTED 349 00:15:58,824 --> 00:16:01,527 ON AND I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO FOLLOW UP ON IT, 350 00:16:01,627 --> 00:16:05,230 BUT I WANT TO DO IT. AND THAT IS THE THE GRADING OF SCHOOL. 351 00:16:05,331 --> 00:16:07,533 THE SUBJECT OF THAT AND AGAIN THIS IS ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE 352 00:16:07,633 --> 00:16:10,369 SUBJECTS AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FOR YEARS ON IN SEAS AND 353 00:16:10,469 --> 00:16:14,573 BASICALLY THE WAY IT WORKS RIGHT NOW IS THAT SCHOOLS ARE 354 00:16:14,673 --> 00:16:18,677 GRADED 80% ACCORDING TO THE TEST SCORES OF THEIR STUDENTS 355 00:16:18,777 --> 00:16:22,581 AND 20% ACCORDING TO HOW THEY GROW AS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT 356 00:16:22,681 --> 00:16:25,718 THEY PUT THEM ON A 15 POINT SCALE WHICH I'M NOT SURE I 357 00:16:25,818 --> 00:16:29,221 TOTALLY UNDERSTAND BUT HAVE DECIDED TO DO THAT. BUT NOW 358 00:16:29,321 --> 00:16:31,690 THERE'S SOME THINKING THAT MAYBE THIS WHOLE FORMULA NEEDS 359 00:16:31,790 --> 00:16:35,127 TO BE CHANGED IN THE LEGISLATURE. AND LET ME GIVES 360 00:16:35,227 --> 00:16:37,629 THEM SOME KUDOS HERE RATHER THAN MAKING THE DECISION 361 00:16:37,730 --> 00:16:41,100 THEMSELVES THEY TOSSED IT BACK TO MARK JOHNSON IN IN THE STATE 362 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,336 BOARD OF EDUCATION AND SAID YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT IT AND COME TO 363 00:16:44,436 --> 00:16:45,671 US WITH SOME RECOMMENDATION. 364 00:16:45,771 --> 00:16:47,239 >> WELL THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THAT THE SENATE LEADERSHIP 365 00:16:47,339 --> 00:16:49,041 HAS REFUSED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT THE 366 00:16:49,141 --> 00:16:52,044 LAST SEVERAL SESSIONS, THE REPUBLICAN HOUSE LEADERSHIP ONE 367 00:16:52,144 --> 00:16:55,447 TIME IN THE BUDGET ONE COMMON THE BILL AS CHANGE THE GRATING 368 00:16:55,547 --> 00:16:58,951 FORMULA TO BE 50% TO SCORE 50% GROWTH WHICH MAKES A LOT MORE 369 00:16:59,051 --> 00:17:01,954 SENSE. SOME PEOPLE JOHN AMONG THEM HAVE ADVOCATED TO 2 370 00:17:02,054 --> 00:17:04,890 SEPARATE MEASUREMENTS. SO THERE ARE REPUBLICANS EVEN CRAIG 371 00:17:04,990 --> 00:17:07,226 CORNER DISAGREE WITH QUITE A BIT ON A LOT OF EDUCATION 372 00:17:07,326 --> 00:17:09,828 ISSUES HAS BEEN A PROPONENT CHANGING THE FORMULA. THE 373 00:17:09,928 --> 00:17:12,364 SENATE LEADERSHIP HAS REFUSED A YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR 374 00:17:12,464 --> 00:17:14,533 WE'VE HAD ALL THE SCHOOLS CLAIMING THAT THEY'RE FAILING 375 00:17:14,633 --> 00:17:16,235 WHEN THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING PRETTY WILL TO HELP 376 00:17:16,335 --> 00:17:18,804 ECONOMICALLY DISADVANTAGED KIDS. THE STUDY IS BETTER THAN 377 00:17:18,904 --> 00:17:20,706 NOTHING BUT I THINK THIS IS ROCKET SCIENCE WE COULD HAVE 378 00:17:20,806 --> 00:17:22,007 ALREADY CHANGED IT. 379 00:17:22,107 --> 00:17:24,043 >> BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT EDUCATION ISSUES 380 00:17:24,143 --> 00:17:27,346 AND I MAKE A PLEDGE THAT WERE GOING TO DO PARTICULARLY 381 00:17:27,446 --> 00:17:29,281 SCHOOL IS GETTING READY TO START AGAIN WE'RE GOING TO BE 382 00:17:29,381 --> 00:17:30,616 DOING MORE OF THAT. 383 00:17:30,716 --> 00:17:32,384 >> THERE WILL BE A TEST AT THE END OF THE QUARTER. 384 00:17:32,484 --> 00:17:36,021 >> THANK YOU. >> IT'S GOING TO BE 50-50. 385 00:17:36,121 --> 00:17:37,990 >> AFRAID I WAS GOING TO GET AN F THERE. 386 00:17:38,090 --> 00:17:39,391 LET'S SWITCH TOPICS. PUBLIC UTILITY 387 00:17:39,491 --> 00:17:42,728 COMPANIES ARE CALLED REGULATED MONOPOLIES WITH 388 00:17:42,828 --> 00:17:46,765 REGULATORS ALLOWING RATES. THEY PROVIDE REASONABLE RETURNS 389 00:17:46,865 --> 00:17:49,635 TO THEIR INVESTORS WHILE ENSURING GOOD SERVICE TO 390 00:17:49,735 --> 00:17:52,504 CUSTOMERS BUT WE'VE NOT SEEN ANYTHING IN RECENT MEMORY IS 391 00:17:52,604 --> 00:17:55,808 CONTENTIOUS. AS THE ARGUMENTS OVER WHAT'S NOW CALLED SENATE 392 00:17:55,908 --> 00:18:00,779 BILL 5.59. IF IT'S PASSED AND GOVERNOR COOPER SIGNS IT WILL 393 00:18:00,879 --> 00:18:03,015 MAKE A MAJOR SHIFT IN THE WAY RIGHT WE'RE GOING TO BE 394 00:18:03,115 --> 00:18:06,452 ESTABLISHED OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS GIVING DUKE ENERGY MORE 395 00:18:06,552 --> 00:18:10,322 LEEWAY IN ESTABLISHING THEIR RIGHTS. A MAJOR CAMPAIGN HAS 396 00:18:10,422 --> 00:18:14,359 BEEN WAGED IN OPPOSITION TO THIS URGING THE GOVERNOR TO 397 00:18:14,460 --> 00:18:18,197 VETO THE BILL DONNA THIS CAMPAIGN IN OPPOSITION TO THE 398 00:18:18,297 --> 00:18:20,866 SENATE BILL 5.59 IS THAT THE REASON IT 399 00:18:20,966 --> 00:18:23,535 HASN'T PASSED THE HOUSE? 400 00:18:23,635 --> 00:18:25,037 >> THE REASON IT HASN'T PASSED THE HOUSE IS BECAUSE THERE'S NO 401 00:18:25,137 --> 00:18:28,307 CONSENSUS AMONG HOUSE LEADERSHIP ABOUT WHAT TO DO HERE. 402 00:18:28,407 --> 00:18:32,144 THIS IS A REALLY COMPLEX BILL COMPLEX THE SITUATION AND 403 00:18:32,244 --> 00:18:34,646 SO REPRESENTATIVE DAVID LEWIS CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE RULES 404 00:18:34,746 --> 00:18:37,816 COMMITTEE. THE SIGNALED HIS SUPPORT FOR THIS, BUT THEY'RE 405 00:18:37,916 --> 00:18:40,586 LAW THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SAYING BEHIND THE SCENES, WHAT IS THIS 406 00:18:40,686 --> 00:18:43,422 REALLY ALL ABOUT ALL OF THESE PROVISIONS, LET'S NOT MOVE TOO 407 00:18:43,522 --> 00:18:47,826 QUICKLY. I SEE IT IS REALLY AN ISSUE OF TRYING TO PROTECT RATE 408 00:18:47,926 --> 00:18:50,762 PAYERS AND THAT'S WHY I LIKE THIS A REVIEW EVERY TIME 409 00:18:50,863 --> 00:18:53,432 THERE'S A REQUEST, I'M WEARY OF THIS IDEA -- 410 00:18:53,532 --> 00:18:54,766 >> SO YOU'RE NOT -- 411 00:18:54,867 --> 00:18:56,702 WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING IS YOU'RE NOT CRAZY ABOUT THE 412 00:18:56,802 --> 00:18:58,270 SENATE BILL 5.59. 413 00:18:58,370 --> 00:19:00,172 >> I'M NOT CRAZY ABOUT IT. I I WANT TO PROTECT -- 414 00:19:00,272 --> 00:19:04,610 >> SEEMS LIKE IT IT NEGATES THE POWERS OF THE STATE UTILITY, 415 00:19:04,710 --> 00:19:06,712 >> BUT HERE'S THE THING I THINK DUKE HAS LEGITIMATE 416 00:19:06,812 --> 00:19:09,882 CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT TO DO WITH AGING 417 00:19:09,982 --> 00:19:13,418 INFRASTRUCTURE. AND SO THAT'S WHY I SAY WE DO HAVE TO LOOK AT 418 00:19:13,519 --> 00:19:15,587 THOSE QUESTIONS WE DO HAVE TO PAY FOR IT. 419 00:19:15,687 --> 00:19:17,089 >> ROB, THE WAY THIS WORKS IS THAT IT'S A 420 00:19:17,189 --> 00:19:18,724 2 PART BILL BASICALLY THE FIRST IS GOING TO 421 00:19:18,824 --> 00:19:22,895 ALLOW DUKE OR DOMINION TO BE ABLE TO SELL BONDS IS IN THE 422 00:19:22,995 --> 00:19:24,897 EVENT OF ANOTHER HURRICANE OR STORM DAMAGE OR 423 00:19:24,997 --> 00:19:27,266 WHATEVER LIKE THAT >> THAT'S NOT CONTROVERSIAL. 424 00:19:27,366 --> 00:19:28,534 >> THAT'S NOT CONTROVERSIAL AT ALL. 425 00:19:28,634 --> 00:19:34,506 THE SECOND PART ALLOWS THEM TO ASK FOR RIGHT SUCCESSIVE 426 00:19:34,606 --> 00:19:38,076 RATE INCREASES OVER A 5 YEAR PERIOD OF TIME INSTEAD OF GOING 427 00:19:38,177 --> 00:19:40,979 BACK AS DONNA WAS SAYING TO THE UTILITIES COMMISSION IS TIME TO 428 00:19:41,079 --> 00:19:45,017 MAKE THE CASE IS IT WHAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH THIS? 429 00:19:45,117 --> 00:19:47,753 IT DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF CONSTITUENTS. 430 00:19:47,853 --> 00:19:50,589 >> I THINK - THE CONSTITUENT IS DUKE THAT'S WHO'S BEHIND IT - 431 00:19:50,689 --> 00:19:51,924 THERE'S NOT NECESSARILY A PROBLEM 432 00:19:52,024 --> 00:19:53,692 WITH GIVING MULTIPLE YOU'RE A REAL 433 00:19:53,792 --> 00:19:55,861 HAVE MULTIPLE YEAR RATE CASES, THE ISSUE OF IT. 434 00:19:55,961 --> 00:19:58,330 >> HAS TO DO WITH THE CRITERIA THAT ARE USED FOR ASSESSING 435 00:19:58,430 --> 00:20:01,366 WHETHER THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL OR NOT WE HAVE AN EXISTENTIAL 436 00:20:01,466 --> 00:20:05,270 CLIMATE CRISIS IN OUR SOCIETY RIGHT NOW DUKE ENERGY IS LIKE 437 00:20:05,370 --> 00:20:08,840 IT OR NOT AT THE CENTER OF THAT THEY ARE THE HUGE CARBON FUEL 438 00:20:08,941 --> 00:20:13,278 USER THEY ARE SENDING PLUMES OF SEE CO 2 INTO OUR ATMOSPHERE 439 00:20:13,378 --> 00:20:16,882 WE'VE GOT TO MAKE IT A CRITICAL COMPONENT OF THAT THAT WE MOVE 440 00:20:16,982 --> 00:20:18,817 SWIFTLY TO A RENEWABLE ENERGY. 441 00:20:18,917 --> 00:20:21,186 >> YOU'RE ARGUING FOR RATE INCREASES 442 00:20:21,286 --> 00:20:25,357 >> NOT NECESSARILY BECAUSE ACTUALLY DAY IF THEY 443 00:20:25,457 --> 00:20:28,026 FOR INSTANCE MOVED TO A SMART GRID SYSTEM WHICH COULD 444 00:20:28,126 --> 00:20:30,495 ACTUALLY WHICH ACTUALLY WOULD REDUCE THE NEED TO PRODUCE 445 00:20:30,596 --> 00:20:34,066 ELECTRICITY AND SEND OUT JUST AS MUCH AS NEEDED OUT ON TO THE 446 00:20:34,166 --> 00:20:37,169 GRID, WE CAN ACTUALLY DO THAT -- [ALL TALKING] 447 00:20:37,269 --> 00:20:41,607 IT'S GOING TO COST $13 BILLION. 448 00:20:41,707 --> 00:20:44,509 I'M NOT TAKING THEIR SIDE NECESSARILY LOW AS 449 00:20:44,610 --> 00:20:48,013 35 STATES ALREADY HAVE SOME VERSION THIS DON'T THAT DON'T 450 00:20:48,113 --> 00:20:51,283 >> THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THERE ARE WAYS TO DO THIS SO THAT THE 451 00:20:51,383 --> 00:20:54,253 ALL THE MONEY DOESN'T GO TO THE SHAREHOLDER THERE LABELED S P 452 00:20:54,353 --> 00:20:57,189 500 DOES NOT HAVE HAPPENING IS THAT THE SENATE IS NOT 453 00:20:57,289 --> 00:21:01,226 CONFIRMING GOVERNOR COOPER'S NOMINEES THE UTILITIES 454 00:21:01,326 --> 00:21:04,029 COMMISSION WE HAVE ONLY FOR THE 7 MEMBERS ON THERE NOW OR EVEN 455 00:21:04,129 --> 00:21:06,665 SERVING THE COMMISSION IS GREATLY DEPLETED THAT WOULD BE 456 00:21:06,765 --> 00:21:08,000 ANOTHER THING WE SHOULD DO TO GET THIS MOVING. 457 00:21:08,100 --> 00:21:10,502 >> FAR AS IT GOES THIS NC WARN 458 00:21:10,602 --> 00:21:14,873 CHRIS IS THE ORGANIZATION THAT IS I MEAN HUGE NEWSPAPER 459 00:21:14,973 --> 00:21:17,376 ADS TELEVISION ADS SO FEELS LIKE THEY'RE AND THEY'RE CITING 460 00:21:17,476 --> 00:21:22,447 THE FACT THAT THERE'S BEEN OVER $1.6 MILLION IN CAMPAIGN 461 00:21:22,547 --> 00:21:25,317 CONTRIBUTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN GIVEN TO SENATOR BYRD OR 462 00:21:25,417 --> 00:21:29,388 SENATOR MORE THAN BLUE DAVID LEWIS. THEY SAY THE RIGHT 463 00:21:29,488 --> 00:21:32,824 YOU'RE GOING TO BE INCREASED BY 50% IF THIS BILL PASSED AND 464 00:21:32,924 --> 00:21:35,560 MORE COST ARE GOING TO BE PAID BY SHAREHOLDERS AND THEN BY 465 00:21:35,661 --> 00:21:39,131 BY RATE PAYERS THAN SHAREHOLDERS. 466 00:21:39,231 --> 00:21:41,199 >> OVERRIDING THINGS ARE GETTING IN THE WEEDS, THIS FIRST OF ALL 467 00:21:41,300 --> 00:21:42,367 DOES ANYBODY THINK 468 00:21:42,467 --> 00:21:46,305 THAT DUKE POWER, DUKE ENERGY, DOMINION DON'T HAVE A 469 00:21:46,405 --> 00:21:50,175 ENOUGH INFLUENCE OVER RATES AND DON'T GET THEIR WAY 95% OF THE 470 00:21:50,275 --> 00:21:52,344 TIME ALREADY IN NORTH CAROLINA, SO FIRST OF ALL WHAT 471 00:21:52,444 --> 00:21:53,679 ARE THEY SCREAMING ABOUT? 472 00:21:53,779 --> 00:21:54,980 AND THE SECOND THING IS WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS 473 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,883 IN THIS DRAMATIC A FASHION WITHOUT A LINK THAT WE TALKED 474 00:21:57,983 --> 00:22:00,752 ABOUT STUDYING THINGS EARLIER WHY WOULD YOU NOT STUDY THIS 475 00:22:00,852 --> 00:22:03,355 HAVE PEOPLE HAVE CONSUMER ADVOCATE SAID THE UTILITY 476 00:22:03,455 --> 00:22:05,957 EXPERTS HAVE EVERYBODY DO THIS IN A THOUGHTFUL WAY THAN RUN 477 00:22:06,058 --> 00:22:08,627 THIS IS THE LEGISLATURE THIS WAY I THINK WHAT THE NC WARN IS 478 00:22:08,727 --> 00:22:10,929 ON TO SOMETHING ALWAYS NECESSARILY AGREE THEM I THINK 479 00:22:11,029 --> 00:22:13,598 IN THIS CASE WE NEED TO NOT DO THIS THIS YEAR 480 00:22:13,699 --> 00:22:14,599 AT THE VERY LEAST. 481 00:22:14,700 --> 00:22:15,600 >> THIS IS REALLY RARE. 482 00:22:15,701 --> 00:22:17,235 I'M FINDING THAT THERE'S CONSENSUS ON THIS 483 00:22:17,336 --> 00:22:18,570 PANEL BUT ON THIS ISSUE. 484 00:22:18,670 --> 00:22:20,105 >> YEAH, I'M WITH YOU ON THE STUDY, 485 00:22:20,205 --> 00:22:24,109 BUT AMONG THE EVERYBODY HAS TO BE AN ECONOMIST, AN ECONOMIST 486 00:22:24,209 --> 00:22:28,613 [ALL TALKING] 487 00:22:28,714 --> 00:22:30,315 >> JOHN, IF THIS PASSES, WILL COOPER VETO IT? 488 00:22:31,883 --> 00:22:35,387 >> I THINK THE RELATIONSHIP WAS BETWEEN THE GOVERNOR AND DUKE 489 00:22:35,487 --> 00:22:39,124 IS NOT EXACTLY HUNKY DORY SO WOULD BE BETTING ON IT IF I WAS 490 00:22:39,224 --> 00:22:41,860 ON THE DUKE SIDE OR MAYBE HE WOULD DEMAND SOMETHING TO GET 491 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,696 HIS SIGNATURE THERE'S BEEN A HISTORY OF THE GOVERNOR HOLD 492 00:22:44,796 --> 00:22:46,665 THINGS UP UNTIL DO GIVEN WHAT HE WANTS. 493 00:22:46,765 --> 00:22:49,167 >> ALL RIGHT, LET'S TURN AROUND TO THE PART OF THE PROGRAM 494 00:22:49,267 --> 00:22:51,169 WHERE WE ASK THE PANEL TO TELL US SOMETHING WE DON'T KNOW 495 00:22:51,269 --> 00:22:52,371 CHRIS? 496 00:22:52,471 --> 00:22:54,172 >> FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS REPUBLICANS AND MANY 497 00:22:54,272 --> 00:22:56,742 PEOPLE ON THIS PANEL COMPLAINED ABOUT PORK BARREL SPENDING AND 498 00:22:56,842 --> 00:22:59,411 LOCAL PROJECTS GETTING MONEY WHEN DEMOCRATS ARE IN POWER W 499 00:22:59,511 --> 00:23:03,448 REAL RELEASED A DATABASE THIS WEEK ALMOST $400 MILLION WORTH 500 00:23:03,548 --> 00:23:06,318 OF SINGLE DIRECTED LOCAL PROJECTS ARE REALLY PORK 501 00:23:06,418 --> 00:23:08,787 BARREL. IRONICALLY THAT'S ROUGHLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF 502 00:23:08,887 --> 00:23:11,089 MONEY WOULD COST NORTH CAROLINA FOR ITS SHARE OF MEDICAID 503 00:23:11,189 --> 00:23:13,692 EXPANSION. WE HAVE A BUDGET THAT IS CHOCK FULL OF PORK 504 00:23:13,792 --> 00:23:16,128 BARREL. I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY CONSERVATIVES -- 505 00:23:16,228 --> 00:23:18,730 OR REPUBLICANS SAY A WORD ABOUT IT. 506 00:23:18,830 --> 00:23:20,065 THAT WAS ONE OF THE DEFINING ISSUES 507 00:23:20,165 --> 00:23:21,266 WHEN THEY WERE NOT IN POWER. 508 00:23:21,366 --> 00:23:23,602 >> I'LL HAVE TO GO LOOK AT IT BECAUSE I SOMEHOW KNOW 509 00:23:23,702 --> 00:23:24,936 THAT THAT ESCAPE ME. 510 00:23:25,036 --> 00:23:26,938 ROB SCHOFIELD TELL US SOMETHING WE DON'T KNOW. 511 00:23:27,038 --> 00:23:28,974 ONE BIG STORY WE HAD ON NC POLICY WATCH THIS WEEK 512 00:23:29,074 --> 00:23:31,443 WAS THE FACT THAT THERE IS A MOVE AFOOT 513 00:23:31,543 --> 00:23:32,677 IN CONGRESS TO RENAME LEJUNE 514 00:23:32,778 --> 00:23:36,047 HIGH SCHOOL ON THE CAMPUS OF THE CAN WE DO TO MAKE IT. 515 00:23:36,148 --> 00:23:39,851 WALTER JONES HIGH SCHOOL IT HAS PRODUCED A FIRESTORM OF 516 00:23:39,951 --> 00:23:43,021 OPPOSITION WE HAVE GOTTEN 10'S OF THOUSANDS OF SHARES AND 517 00:23:43,121 --> 00:23:46,291 STORY ON OUR WEB SITE DOESN'T SCORES OF NEGATIVE COMMENTS. 518 00:23:46,391 --> 00:23:48,360 I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. 519 00:23:48,460 --> 00:23:50,695 >> DONNA MARTINEZ TELL US SOMETHING WE DON'T KNOW. 520 00:23:50,796 --> 00:23:52,731 >> SOCIAL MEDIA INFLUENCERS, 521 00:23:52,831 --> 00:23:54,433 SO WE ALL KNOW WHAT THEY ARE AND WE THINK OF THEM IN 522 00:23:54,533 --> 00:23:56,835 TERMS OF FASHION AND ENTERTAINMENT. BUT THERE'S A 523 00:23:56,935 --> 00:24:01,406 GROWING TREND IN SOCIAL MEDIA INFLUENCERS OF YOUNG FARMERS 524 00:24:01,506 --> 00:24:04,376 ACROSS THIS COUNTRY. THEY HAVE YOUTUBE CHANNELS WHERE THEY 525 00:24:04,476 --> 00:24:07,846 HAVE 10'S 100'S OF THOUSANDS OF FOLLOWERS AND THEY ARE HELPING 526 00:24:07,946 --> 00:24:10,715 PEOPLE UNDERSTAND NOT ONLY WHERE FOOD COMES FROM ABOUT THE 527 00:24:10,816 --> 00:24:13,852 INDUSTRY ABOUT LOVE THE LAND ABOUT SELF-RELIANCE AND ALL 528 00:24:13,952 --> 00:24:16,655 THAT I HOPE THAT TREND COMES TO NORTH CAROLINA WE NEED THAT. 529 00:24:16,755 --> 00:24:18,290 >> JOHN HOOD TO TELL US SOMETHING WE DON'T KNOW. 530 00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:19,524 >> AN INDIVIDUAL FROM TEXAS NAMED 531 00:24:19,624 --> 00:24:21,827 PICO VISITED NORTH CAROLINA'S OUTER BANKS. 532 00:24:21,927 --> 00:24:22,861 >> IS THIS ANOTHER EMU, 533 00:24:22,961 --> 00:24:24,362 >> NO, IT IS NOT. >> ALL RIGHT. 534 00:24:24,463 --> 00:24:27,232 >> AND LAST YEAR PICO VISITED NEW YORK BUT STAYED CAPTORS 535 00:24:27,332 --> 00:24:31,269 DON'T A SOLID TEXAS, HE IS A 7 A HALF FOOT MACO SHARK. 536 00:24:31,369 --> 00:24:34,105 AND I BELIEVE THAT PICO IS VISITING THESE OTHER STATES BUT 537 00:24:34,206 --> 00:24:36,441 HE'S GOING TO KEEP HIS DOMICILE IN TEXAS BECAUSE IT HAS NO 538 00:24:36,541 --> 00:24:37,776 INCOME TAX. 539 00:24:37,876 --> 00:24:40,612 [LAUGHTER] >> I HOPE SO. 540 00:24:40,712 --> 00:24:44,416 >> YOU KNOW FOLKS, JOHN LAST -- >> KIND OF A LOAN SHARK WHEN YOU 541 00:24:44,516 --> 00:24:48,553 THINK ABOUT IT -- [ALL MOANING] 542 00:24:48,653 --> 00:24:52,324 >> THIS IS REALLY GETTING WORSE. WELL, I JUST GOT TO TELL YOU, 543 00:24:52,424 --> 00:24:54,793 THIS IS A BIG BIRTHDAY WEEKEND FOR SOME OF THE NC SPIN 544 00:24:54,893 --> 00:24:57,963 FAMILY, FORMER HOUSE SPEAKER JOE MAVERITIC IS 545 00:24:58,063 --> 00:25:02,734 CELEBRATING A BIRTHDAY FORMER SENATOR HOWARD LEE FORMER HEAD 546 00:25:02,834 --> 00:25:06,605 OF THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION AND YOURS TRULY SO BUT DAYS 547 00:25:06,705 --> 00:25:12,577 GREETINGS WERE ALL IN THE SIGNS OF LEO. 548 00:25:12,677 --> 00:25:14,479 WELL, YOU'VE HEARD OUR SPIN ON THE ISSUES OF THE DAY. 549 00:25:14,579 --> 00:25:16,248 TO STAY INFORMED ALL DURING THE WEEK, 550 00:25:16,348 --> 00:25:18,884 SIGN UP FOR OUR FREE WEEKLY EMAIL NEWSLETTER, 551 00:25:18,984 --> 00:25:22,687 GIVE YOUR FEEDBACK AND READ MY WEEKLY COLUMN VISIT OUR WEBSITE 552 00:25:22,787 --> 00:25:25,156 NCSPIN.COM OR CATCH NC SPIN ON FACEBOOK. 553 00:25:25,257 --> 00:25:26,725 JOIN US NEXT WEEK WHEN WE WILL HAVE MORE 554 00:25:26,825 --> 00:25:28,360 BALANCED DEBATE FOR THE OLD NORTH STATE. 555 00:25:28,460 --> 00:25:31,563 UNTIL THEN, STAY INFORMED AND WATCH OUT FOR THE SPIN. 556 00:25:32,163 --> 00:25:42,173 ♪ 557 00:25:43,174 --> 00:25:45,844 >> FROM CREATING THE NEWEST MEMBER OF YOUR FAMILY 558 00:25:45,944 --> 00:25:47,779 TO HELPING A LOVED ONE MAKE END OF LIFE 559 00:25:47,879 --> 00:25:51,850 DECISIONS YOUR FAMILY PHYSICIAN IS WITH YOU EVERY STEP. 560 00:25:51,950 --> 00:25:55,353 FOR EVERY STAGE OF LIFE FOR EVERY MEMBER OF YOUR FAMILY. 561 00:25:55,453 --> 00:25:57,389 DESPITE A HEALTH CARE LANDSCAPE FRAUGHT 562 00:25:57,489 --> 00:26:01,126 WITH POTENTIAL LANDMINES FAMILY PHYSICIANS ACROSS NORTH CAROLINA 563 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,296 ARE PROVIDING YOU A LIFETIME OF COMMITTED 564 00:26:04,396 --> 00:26:06,231 DEPENDABLE MEDICAL CARE. 565 00:26:06,865 --> 00:26:10,802 FAMILY PHYSICIANS YOUR TRUSTED HEALTH CARE ADVISOR FOR LIFE. 566 00:26:13,538 --> 00:26:15,774 - [WOMAN] LIFE'S BUSY BUT YOU'RE IN CONTROL. 567 00:26:15,874 --> 00:26:17,676 AS AN ELECTRIC COOPERATIVE MEMBER, 568 00:26:17,776 --> 00:26:20,078 YOU HAVE ACCESS TO LOTS OF TOOLS TO HELP MANAGE 569 00:26:20,178 --> 00:26:22,280 YOUR HOME ENERGY USE AND BUDGET, 570 00:26:22,380 --> 00:26:25,183 SO YOU CAN FOCUS ON WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT. 571 00:26:26,918 --> 00:26:28,820 - [PRESENTER] NC SPIN IS BROUGHT TO YOU IN PART 572 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,822 BY THE NORTH CAROLINA FARM BUREAU. 573 00:26:30,922 --> 00:26:32,624 THE FARM BUREAU AND AGRICULTURE, 574 00:26:32,724 --> 00:26:36,461 WE KEEP NORTH CAROLINA GROWING. 575 00:26:39,864 --> 00:26:41,566 - NORTH CAROLINA CHANNEL IS MADE POSSIBLE 576 00:26:41,666 --> 00:26:44,302 BY THE FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTIONS OF VIEWERS LIKE YOU, 577 00:26:44,402 --> 00:26:46,705 WHO SUPPORT THE UNC-TV NETWORK.