>> THIS IS NC SPIN, AN
UNREHEARSED DISCUSSION
ON ISSUES OF INTEREST TO NORTH
CAROLINIANS.
NOW, HERE'S YOUR MODERATOR, TOM
CAMPBELL.
>> THANKS FOR WATCHING
THIS WEEK'S NC SPIN.
IN THE NEXT COUPLE
OF WEEKS STUDENTS IN
TRADITIONAL SCHOOLS WILL
RETURN TO THE CLASSROOM
AND THIS WEEK WE ASK
OUR PANEL TO COMMENT ON
SEVERAL HOT-BUTTON
EDUCATION ISSUES.
WE ALSO DISCUSS A BILL
BEFORE THE LEGISLATURE
THAT COULD CHANGE THE
WAY ELECTRIC RATES ARE DECIDED.
AND, AS ALWAYS, WE ASK THE
PANEL TO TELL US SOMETHING
WE DON'T KNOW.
THIS WEEK'S PANEL INCLUDES
DONNA MARTINEZ, JOHN LOCKE
FOUNDATION/WPTF RADIO
JOHN HOOD, SYNDICATED
COLUMNIST AND AUTHOR
CHRIS FITZSIMON,
DIRECTOR, THE NEWSROOM
ROB SCHOFIELD, DIRECTOR,
NC POLICY WATCH
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>> LET'S GET TO IT.
IT WON'T BE LONG BEFORE
SCHOOL BELLS RING IN A NEW
YEAR BUT FEWER STUDENTS
WILL BE ATTENDING OUR
TRADITIONAL SCHOOLS.
WE WANT TO ASK OUR PANEL
ABOUT THE POSSIBLE
RE-SEGREGATION OF OUR
SCHOOLS, TESTING, A
CONTROVERSY SURROUNDING
READING ASSESSMENTS AND
OTHER HOT-BUTTON
EDUCATION ISSUES.
ROB SCHOFIELD, RECENTLY IT
WAS REVEALED THAT ONLY 80
PERCENT OF K-12 STUDENTS
NOW ATTEND
TRADITIONAL SCHOOLS.
THE NUMBER ATTENDING
CHARTERS, PRIVATE AND HOME
SCHOOLED HAS SURGED
IN RECENT YEARS.
IS THIS A RESULT OF THE
SCHOOL CHOICE MOVEMENT?
>> WELL TOM THIS A BIG TOPIC I
THINK WE WE COULD SPEND THE
WHOLE HALF HOUR JUST TALKING
ABOUT THIS TOPIC ALONE, BUT
THHERE'S 3 QUICK POINTS, I WANT
TO MAKE.
NUMBER ONE, I THINK IT'S A BAD
THING.
I THINK IT SCHOOLS
ARE PUBLIC SCHOOLS OR WHERE WE
COME TOGETHER AS A SOCIETY
WHERE KIDS LEARN TO READ AND
WRITE AND TO THINK IN ALL THOSE
IMPORTANT THINGS BUT IT'S ALSO
WHAT WE LEARNED SOCIAL VALUES
THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE SOCIAL
COHESION IS SO CRITICAL TO OUR
SOCIETY. GOING FORWARD OUR KIDS
NEED TO LEARN TO LIVE WITH
OTHER PEOPLE NUMBER 2 SCHOOL
CHOICE MOVEMENT CLEARLY PLAYING
A ROLE IN THAT I ALSO THINK THE
MOVE TO RE SEGREGATE ARE
SCHOOLS THAT YOU ALLUDED TO IS
A BIG DRIVER OF THIS. AND THE
3RD POINT I'LL MAKE IS THAT,
I THINK IT'S REALLY BEING
DRIVEN FIRST AND FOREMOST BY
ARE SUSTAINED US INVESTMENT AND
PUBLIC EDUCATION, THE REASON
PARENTS ARE OPTING OUT IN MANY
INSTANCES OF SENDING THEIR
PARENT THEIR KIDS TO
TRADITIONAL SCHOOLS. IT'S
BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE SMALL
CLASS SIZES. THEY DON'T HAVE
THE ONE ON ONE ATTENTION THAT
THEY WANT FOR THE KIDS THAT
WILL HAVE THE TEXTBOOKS, THE
MATERIALS ALL THOSE THINGS THAT
WE'RE UNDER FUNDING IN PUBLIC
SCHOOLS.
>> LET'S BEAR DOWN ON SOME OF
THIS.
WE'VE SEEN SOME REPORTS THAT
SHOW THAT 30% OF THE CHARTER
SCHOOLS ARE 80% WHITE, WHICH IS
A STARK CONTRAST TO THE
MAJORITY OF THE TRADITIONAL
SCHOOLS, ONLY 14% HAVE THAT
MUCH IN 30% OF THE STUDENTS ARE
LOW INCOME IN CHARTERS WHERE IS
IT'S 50 50 IN MOST TRADITIONAL
SCHOOLS. A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY
THE PART OF THE REASON FOR THIS
IS THE FACT THAT CHARTER
SCHOOLS DON'T HAVE TO PROVIDE
TRANSPORTATION FOR THEIR
STUDENTS AND THEY ALSO DON'T
HAVE TO PROVIDE A BREAKFAST IN
MUCH THE HOW BIG A FACTOR DO
YOU THINK THIS IS IN THE
POSSIBLE
RESEGREGATING OF SCHOOLS?
>> PARENTS ARE MAKING CHOICES
AND IN SOME CASES PARENTS ARE
BANDING TOGETHER. AND SO
THEY CAN CAR POOL THEY CAN DO
THINGS AND NO DOUBT THAT EVERY
FAMILY LOOKS AT DIFFERENT
THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO
THEM AIRPORT AND TO THEIR KIDS
I DON'T THINK YOU CAN JUST SAY
WELL, IT'S BECAUSE OF THIS OR
IT'S BECAUSE OF THAT. FOR ME MY
VIEW IS THAT WHAT'S WINNING IS
A STORY REALLY OF HOPE. IT'S A
STORY OF OPPORTUNITY NO LONGER
DEPEND PARENTS HAVE TO JUST SAY
WELL, THIS IS IT IF MY SON OR
DAUGHTER IS DOING WELL GREAT.
BUT MY SON OR DAUGHTER ISN'T
DOING WELL. I DON'T HAVE TO
HAVE A CHOICE TO DO SOMETHING
ELSE SO I DON'T SEE THIS AS A
NEGATIVE AT ALL NO ONE'S BEING
COERCED TO DO ANYTHING THIS IS
ABOUT PARENTS FINALLY HAVING
MORE OF A SAY.
>> JOHN THAT THE FACTS ARE
INESCAPABLE WE LOST 6500 KIDS
IN TRADITIONAL SCHOOLS LAST
YEAR.
>> WHO IS WE, EXACTLY?
>> THE TRADITIONAL SCHOOLS.
>> THE DISTRICT SCHOOLS HAD A
DECLINE IN ENROLLMENT
MUCH OF IT BECAUSE OF HOME
SCHOOLING AND CHARTER SCHOOLING
AND A LITTLE BIT IN THE
PRIVATE SCHOOLING AREA, I
DISAGREE WITH ROB ABOUT HIS
FINAL EXPLANATION, I JUST DON'T
THINK IT COMPORT WITH REALITY
THESE ARE THESE ARE FAMILIES
THAT ARE LEAVING THE VAST
MAJORITY OF CASES TO SCHOOLS
THAT HAVE LESS MONEY THE DISH
RISK ULTIMATELY DID BECAUSE
ADDITIONAL SCHOOLS, BLACK MONEY
BECAUSE OTHERWISE THEY WHY
WOULD THEY LEAVE THEY'RE GOING
TO PRIVATE SCHOOLS THAT ARE
ALMOST ALWAYS LOWER COSTS AND
LOWER REVENUE OR TO CHARTER
SCHOOLS WHICH HAVE LOWER
AMOUNTS OF MONEY THAN THE
DISTRICT'S SCHOOLS. I THINK IT
IS A CHOICE DISCUSSION. I THINK
IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THERE ARE
SOME AFFECTS IN THE
COMPOSITION OF THE ROLE THAT
DOES HAVE TO DO WITH THINGS
LIKE TRANSPORTATION. I THINK
THAT'S PROBABLY TRUE, BUT I
ALSO THINK THAT FOR EXAMPLE,
CHARTER SCHOOLS DON'T HAVE A
LOWER PERCENTAGE OF AFRICAN
AMERICAN STUDENTS, THE DISTRICT
SCHOOLS TO THE REAL
DIFFERENCES, HISPANIC STUDENTS
THAT'S WHERE THE THAT'S WHERE
THERE'S A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF
WHITE STUDENTS, A LOW
PERCENTAGE OF HISPANIC STUDENTS
IN CHARTER SCHOOLS IS NOT SO
MUCH ABOUT AFRICAN-AMERICANS.
>> THIS WAS GREAT, BUT ONE
THING WE'VE LEFT A LITTLE BIT
AS THE NOT JUST THE BUDGET
MEMBER WE'RE FUNDING PUBLIC
SCHOOLS, ROB IS RIGHT, LESS PER
CAPITA THAN WE WERE BEFORE THE
GREAT RECESSION. BUT WE ALSO
BEEN THROUGH A PERIOD OF ATTACK
ON PUBLIC SCHOOLS, GOVERNMENT
MONOPOLY SCHOOLS. WE GIVE
SCHOOLS AN "F" IF THEY HAVE A
LOT OF POOR KIDS IN THEM
AUTOMATICALLY, IMAGINE IF YOUR
KID SOMEWHERE, NORTH CAROLINA
AND YOUR KIDS DOING OKAY IN
SCHOOL AND YOU GET A BIG FAT F
IN THE MAIL OR YOU SEE OH MY
GOSH MY
KID'S SCHOOL IS TERRIBLE, WHEN
IT'S ACTUALLY NOT AND THE
KIDS ARE IMPROVING. THERE'S A
LOT OF THAT MIXED MESSAGES THAT
HAVE BEEN SAID ABOUT PUBLIC
EDUCATION BY THE FOLKS IN
CHARGE AND WE ALSO I THINK
PROBABLY HAVE FLIPPED OUT
ANOTHER DRIVING FORCE WHICH IS
A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE MAKING A
LOT OF MONEY ON THE
PRIVATIZATION OF PUBLIC
EDUCATION CHARTER SCHOOL
CHAINS, EVEN THOUGH THE
CHARTERS THERE ARE NONPROFITS
ARE LEASING FIRM FOR PROFIT
CORPORATIONS, THERE'S BIG MONEY
IN EDUCATION THAT THE STATE
USED TO PAY FOR THAT NOW
PRIVATE COMPANIES ARE MAKING
MONEY OFF.
>> I AGREE THAT THIS IS ANTI
PUBLIC SCHOOL WHATSOEVER THAT
TRADITIONAL PUBLIC SCHOOL
CLASSROOMS --
>> DIDN'T SAY ANYONE IS MAKING
MONEY OFF OF IT.
>> IT'S NOT ANTI PUBLIC SCHOOL
TO WANT
TO GIVE PARENTS CHOICES SO WITH
YOUR EXAMPLE CHRIS, WHAT
THAT IMAGINE THAT YOU'RE THE
PARENT WHOSE CHILD COMES HOME
AND ISN'T DOING WELL FOR ALL
SORTS OF REASONS, MAYBE IF YOUR
CHILD IS BEING BULLIED MAYBE
THEY HAVE AN APTITUDE IT'S NOT
BEING ADDRESSED MAYBE THEY JUST
THEY CAN'T DO WELL IN A LARGE
CLASSROOM OR SMALL CLASSROOM.
WHY WOULD A PARENT
NOT BE ABLE TO SAY, LOOK THIS IS
MY CHILD I WANT THE BEST FOR
THAT CHILD.
>> THEY CAN SAY THAT.
[BOTH DEBATING]
>> THEY'VE ALWAYS A CHOICE
THE QUESTION IS SHOULD WE PAY -
SHOULD WE LITERALLY TAXPAYER
MONEY BE PAID TO TELL KIDS THAT
TO TELL KIDS THAT DINOSAURS AND
HUMANS SHARED THE EARTH --
[ALL TALKING]
>> THE MONEY SHOULD FOLLOW THE
STUDENTS.
>> NO MATTER WHAT NO
MATTER WHAT THE PARENT WANTS
THE MATTER IF THEY WANT TO TELL
KIDS THAT ARE THINGS ARE
ABSOLUTELY WRONG TO TAXPAYERS
SUBSIDIZE A TERRIBLY FLAWED
>> YOU'RE TALKING PRIMARILY
ABOUT PRIVATE SCHOOLS.
>> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PRIVAATE
SCHOOLS.
>> WELL, WE WE'RE TALKING MORE
ABOUT CHARTERS
>> SHOULD THE
TAXPAYERS SUBSIDIZED A PUBLIC
CLASSROOM THAT ISN'T WORKING?
>> YOU DIDN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION
FIRST.
>> WELL YOU ANSWER MINE TOO.
>> WHAT THE
TAXPAYERS TO DO IS FIX THE
SCHOOL WE HAVE WE HAVE THE
ELECTIONS FOR SCHOOL BOARDS.
WE HAVE PUBLIC INPUT, WE HAVE
MAGNET PROGRAM THEY HAVE A LOT
CHOICE IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
>> WE CAN ALWAYS MAYBE
KIND OF SEVERAL YEARS FROM NOW
INFLUENCE A SCHOOL BOARD
ELECTION IS A VERY --
[ALL JUMPING IN, DEBATING]
>> WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION IN
OUR
FAMILY FRANKLY, AND THEN
OPTED TO GO TO A PRIVATE SCHOOL
AT THE BY THE WAY ABOUT
DISCLOSURE OF GOT TO TELL YOU I
HAVE WRITTEN A COLUMN ABOUT
THAT THIS WEEK'S COLUMN OF MY
SPIN ON NCSPIN.COM IS
ABOUT THIS. ROB, THE BIG THING
THOUGH IS THAT WHEN CHARTER
SCHOOLS WERE FIRST AND VISION
SO THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE
LABORATORIES OF INNOVATION THEY
WERE GIVEN CONSENT BILLY MORE
LEEWAY THAN WERE TRADITIONAL
SCHOOLS OR AS JOHN CALLS AND
DISSED SCHOOLS WHICH INCLUDED
THINGS LIKE THE ACADEMIC
CALENDAR TEACHER WORK DAYS,
CURRICULUM TEACHER CHOIR
MONTHS, CLASS SIZE THINGS OF
THIS NATURE, MY QUESTION IN THE
POINT I GET TO IN MY COLUMN IS
OK IF THAT IT AND THE RESULTS
BY THE WAY INDICATE THAT
CHARTERS ARE DOING ABOUT AS
WELL ON ALL PAR WITH OUR
TRADITIONAL SCHOOLS. SHOULDN'T
WE GIVE THIS SAME FLEXIBILITY
TO OUR DISTRICT SCHOOLS, OUR
TRADITIONAL SCHOOLS IF IT WORKS
LET'S DO IT.
>> IF SOME OF THOSE IDEAS ARE
WORTH, EMULATING SURE THAT WHEN
WE ALLOW THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS
TO MAKE THOSE USES OR THAT
THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE
DEFINITELY CAN GET MORE FREEDOM
TO BUT THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT
WHAT WE'RE SEEING THESE GREAT
IDEAS THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO
GET FROM THE CHARTERS ARE NOT
PERCOLATING BACK TO THE SCHOOLS
BECAUSE THE GREAT IDEAS ARE
THINGS LIKE SMALLER CLASS SIZES
HAVING TEXT BOOKS FOR KIDS,
BASIC STUFF THAT ALL SCHOOLS
ARE TO PROVIDE AND IF WE DID
PROVIDE THEM IN THE TRADITIONAL
PUBLIC SCHOOLS, PEOPLE WOULDN'T
BE OPTING OUT YOU ASKED WHY
THEY GO TO A CHARTER THEY GO
A VOUCHER SCHOOL, I WANT A
SMALLER CLASS SIZE AND WANT
MORE INDIVIDUALIZED ATTENTION.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'LL SAY --
>> AND
NOT TO ARGUE, BUT RESULTS AND
PERFORMANCE SEEM TO TRACK SO
FAR AS TRADITIONAL SCHOOLS ARE
CONCERNED I WILL SWITCH OVER TO
ANOTHER TOPIC IT BACK AND
THERE'S A BIG CONTROVERSY HAS
BEEN GOING ON THE LAST COUPLE
OF WEEKS SUPERINTENDENT OF
PUBLIC INSTRUCTION MARK JOHNSON
AWARDED THE CONTRACT FROM NORTH
CAROLINA'S K 3 DIAGNOSTIC
READING ASSESSMENT NOW HE
CLAIMED IT WAS BECAUSE OF A
RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS MADE BY
AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE NOW WE
FUNDING THAT HE DIDN'T FOLLOW
THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE'S CHOICE
IS THIS HUBBUB JUST BECAUSE
PEOPLE WE'RE UPSET WITH THE
FARMING CHOSE OR THAT HE
MISREPRESENTED HIS ACTIONS.
>> I THINK BOTH I MEAN IT'S
PRETTY AMAZING THAT HE WOULD
MAKE A REPRESENTATION OF
SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN
AND THEN TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW
TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT. I THINK
THAT'S WHY YOU SAW A MOVE IN
THE LEGISLATURE FROM DEMOCRATIC
SENATORS ARE SAYING WHAT'S THAT
SUSPEND THIS FOR YEARS SO MAKE
A DECISION FOR YEAR THE COMPANY
THAT HE CHOSE NOT HAVE NEARLY
AS GOOD A RECORD DEALING WITH
KIDS WITH LEARNING DISABILITIES
DYSLEXIA AND OTHER THINGS.
I THINK THE SUPER 10 WAS CAUGHT
HERE MAKING A POLITICAL
DECISION AND NOW IT'S TRYING TO
GET BACK OUT OF IT. I DON'T
THINK WE SHOULD LET HIM.
>> SHOULD WE VOID
THIS CONTRACT?
>> WELL, I'D LIKE TO LEARN A LOT
MORE ABOUT IT
THE SUPERINTENDENT'S
POSITION AS I UNDERSTAND IT IS
THAT THAT THAT ADVISORY REVIEW,
WAS IT SELF TAINTED BY SOME
CONFLICTS OF INTEREST.
>> YES, BUT AT FIRST, HE SAID HE
WAS
FOLLOWING THE
ADVICE OF THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE
>> I THINK WE NEED TO LEARN
MORE OF THE DETAILS.
>> THE COMPANY IS THREATENING
THE TEACHERS WHO EXPOSE
THIS WITH CEASE AND DESIST
ORDERS WHEN WE MIGHT WANT TO BE
CAREFUL WE MIGHT GET ONE OF
THOSE ON NC SPIN IF --
>> CEASE AND DESIST?
[ALL TALKING]
>> WOULD THAT MEAN WE'D HAVE TO
DUCT TAPE OUR MOUTHS?
>> WE MIGHT, THAT COULD
HAPPEN.
DONNA THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF
TURNOVER IN DPI SINCE MARK
JOHNSON HAS BECOME OR OUR STATE
SUPERINTENDENT, AND A LOT OF
PEOPLE ARE QUESTIONING IS THIS
BECAUSE NEW LEADERSHIP IN AND
OF ITSELF IS GOING TO PUT
PEOPLE AND THAT THEY FEEL MORE
COMFORTABLE WITH OR IS IT A
COMMENTARY. OMAR, JOHNSON'S
LEADERSHIP.
>> I THINK THAT TURNOVER IS NOT
NECESSARILY A BAD THING,
BUT YOU HAD LEADERSHIP DPI THAT
WAS PRETTY CONSISTENT FOR YEAR
AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR PEOPLE
GOT COMFORTABLE, IF PEOPLE
WANTED TO STAY SOME PEOPLE STAY
BECAUSE THEY BELIEVED IN THE
FOCUS THEY BELIEVED IN THAT THE
LEADERSHIP. OTHER PEOPLE LOOKED
AT IT LIKE THIS IS MY JOB, I
HAVE A CAREER HERE, BUT IF
SOMEONE COMES IN HAPPENS IN ANY
ORGANIZATION, WHETHER IT'S
STATE GOVERNMENT OR PRIVATE
ENTERPRISE OR NONPROFIT,
BECAUSE SOMEONE WHO THINKS A
LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY. SOME
PEOPLE REACT WELL.
AND RISE TO THE OCCASION, OTHERS
DON'T.
>> SO
LET ME ASK YOU ROB, THE
TURNOVER IS THIS IS JUST
BECAUSE, AS DONNA SAYS, A NEW
LEADERSHIP CAN CHOOSE NEW
PEOPLE OR IS IT A COMMENTARY ON
MARK JOHNSON'S LEADERSHIP.
>> IT IS MOSTLY THE LATTER WE
HAD A STORY BY OUR REPORTER
GREG CHILDRESS DIDN'T SEE
POLICY WATCH WROTE A STORY
ABOUT THIS EARLIER THIS WEEK,
THE NUMBERS ARE PRETTY
IMPRESSIVE PRETTY STRIKING AT
HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TO
HAVE TRANSITIONED OUT A LOT OF
THE PEOPLE JUST GOT SICK OF IT.
THEY WERE DISGUSTED WITH THE
SITUATION THEY LEFT BECAUSE
THEY WERE DEDICATED EDUCATORS
AND I THINK SOME OF THE PEOPLE.
THE JOHNSON HAS BROUGHT IN HAVE
NOW LEFT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT
REALLY EDUCATORS THEIR INTEREST
IN A POLITICAL CAREER WHICH I
THINK MIGHT ACTUALLY BE THE
CASE WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT.
>> CERTAINLY IT'S SOMETHING
THAT WE SHOULD WATCH AS WE GO
FORWARD AND LET'S MOVE OVER THE
QUESTION OF TESTING WE'VE
TALKED ABOUT THIS TIME MANY
YEARS WE TALK ABOUT TESTING ON
NC SPIN, JOHN?
>> IS THAT A TEST?
[ALL TALKING]
>> I SAY THREE!
>> PEOPLE HAVE COMPLAINED FOR
YEARS ABOUT TOO MANY TEST BEING
GIVEN TO OUR STUDENTS AND THE
LEGISLATURE WANTED TO REDUCE
THE NUMBER OF TEST BOTH THE
SENATE AND THE HOUSE PASSED
BILLS WHICH WOULD DO THAT FOR
THE ELEMENT TREE MIDDLE AND
HIGH SCHOOLS, BUT THE NORTH
CAROLINA CHAMBER SAID NOT SO
FAST HERE. WE NEED MORE
DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS AND
WHAT TO REDUCE.
WHAT'S YOUR OPINION ABOUT THIS
TESTING?
>> WELL, I UNDERSTAND THE NEED
AND HAVE ADVOCATED FOR A LONG
TIME THE NEED TO CHANGE OR OR
ADAPTERS IN SOME CASES
STREAMLINE OUR TESTING PROGRAM
I THINK THE CHAMBER WAS
CONCERNED I SUSPECT NOT AS MUCH
ABOUT THE HIGH SCHOOL CHANGE
THAT MAY BE THE HIGH SCHOOL
CHANGES TO GET RID OF SOME TASK
BECAUSE WE'RE NOW AT
MINISTERING THE A C T TO ALL OF
OUR HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS WHICH
IS A CONSISTENT NATIONAL START
I LIKE HAVING CONSISTENT
INDEPENDENT NATIONAL TO BE ANY
BETTER IMPAIRED OTHER STAR AT
YOU SO, BUT I THINK THE CONCERN
IS PROBABLY GREATER IN THE A 3
TO 8 GRADE BECAUSE WHAT THEY'RE
DOING IS TAKEN INTO GREAT
COURSES AND THEY'RE REPLACING
THEM WITH WHAT IS NOW CALLED
AND WILL BE CHANGED ITS NAME
EVENTUALLY THE CALL CHECKINS 3
TESTS A YEAR AND YOU BASICALLY
USE THEM TOGETHER NOW THAT
SOUNDS ODD BECAUSE IF YOU TALK
ABOUT TOO MANY TESTING AND MORE
TEST THAT SOUNDS CONFUSING THE
ARGUMENT IS THAT A NUMBER OF
DISTRICTS ALREADY USING 3 TESTS
A YEAR PLUS THE END OF GREAT
YEAH, AND SO YOU WOULD TRY TO
USE THE FACT THAT I AM
CONCERNED I I AGREE WITH THE
CHAMBER, I'M CONCERNED IF THAT
INSTRUMENT IS REALLY VALID AND
REALLY HELPFUL BECAUSE ONE OF
THE THINGS WORK ON AT LEAST HAS
AND I'M QUESTIONING THE TASK AT
LEAST WE HAVE A LONG HISTORY OF
GIVING SOMETHING LIKE THE SAME
TEST OVER A LONG PERIOD TIME
AND THAT HAS ALLOWED
RESEARCHERS NOT JUST NORTH
CAROLINA, BUT ACROSS THE
COUNTRY TO EVALUATE AND STUDY
EDUCATION REFORMS IN NORTH
CAROLINA.
>> FOR YEARS AND YEARS - I
WILL HAVE TO SAY THIS -
FOR YEARS AND YEARS
THE NORTH CAROLINA CHAMBER HED
BEEN AN INTEGRAL PARTNER IN
PLAYER IN PUBLIC EDUCATION IN
NORTH CAROLINA AND FOR YEARS
THAT KIND OF DISAPPEARED,
GARY SALAMIDO WHO'S THE
INTERIM OR ACTING
>> I THINK THEY'RE TRYING
TO MAKE SURE
THAT WHATEVER CHANGES THEY
MIGHT MAKE BECAUSE THERE IS
SOME PRESSURE ABOUT TEST DON'T
TAKE AWAY INFORMATION THAT
WE NEED TO EVALUATE NOT JUST
INDIVIDUAL STUDENTS WHICH IS
PART OF THE REASON BUT ALSO
EVALUATE SCHOOLS OF IWATE WAYS
OF TEACHING OF IWATE POLICY
CHANGES OF IT AT THE STATE OR
LOCAL LEVEL THIS IS IMPORTANT
GOVERNMENTS MATERIAL WE NEED.
>> YOU'VE BEEN VERY POLITE
WAITING FOR YOUR TURN. GO AHEAD.
>> THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
A HIGH STAKES TEST
THAT THE
CHILD MIGHT ACTUALLY BE HELD
BACK OR PUNISHED AS A RESULT
AND FEEL THAT INTENSE PRESSURE
FROM A TEST THAT IS DIAGNOSTIC
SYSTEMWIDE KIND OF DIAGNOSES
WERE TOO AND TO DO WITH IT ON
THIS CRAZY ROLLER COASTER WHEN
IT COMES TO TESTING FIRST WE
HAD TO DO LOTS OF TESTING
BECAUSE WE WANT MORE
ACCOUNTABILITY IN SCHOOLS NOW
SOME OF THE SAME PEOPLE WHO
PUSHED INITIALLY ARE PUSHING
BACK THE OTHER DIRECTION GOT TO
FIND SOME COMMON GROUND AT ALL
COME BACK TO THAT THEME.
I MENTIONED EARLIER AS IF WE
INVESTED ENOUGH FOR SCHOOLS AND
GAVE THE TEACHERS THE TOOLS
THEY NEED TO EDUCATE OUR KIDS
THE TESTING ISSUE WOULDN'T BE
SUCH A CONTROVERSY.
>> WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON
GROWTH. THAT'S WHY
I LIKE THE IDEA OF MULTIPLE
TESTS DURING THE YEAR BECAUSE
YOU'RE MEASURING A CHILD'S
GROWTH. IS THAT CHILD LEARNING -
>> FROM START OF YEAR
>> YEAH, EXACTLY.
ARE
THEY LEARNING OR ARE THEY NOT
AND THEN WHAT ARE THEY LEARNING
AND YOU CAN GO FORWARD THE
ENTIRE WORLD IS GOING TOWARDS
ON DEMAND MORE PERSONALIZED
EVERYTHING.
THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE TO GO.
WITH EDUCATION.
>> I WANT TO SWITCH OVER
TO A TOPIC THAT YOU GOT STARTED
ON AND I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO
FOLLOW UP ON IT,
BUT I WANT TO DO IT. AND THAT
IS THE THE GRADING OF SCHOOL.
THE SUBJECT OF THAT AND AGAIN
THIS IS ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE
SUBJECTS AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT
FOR YEARS ON IN SEAS AND
BASICALLY THE WAY IT WORKS
RIGHT NOW IS THAT SCHOOLS ARE
GRADED 80% ACCORDING TO THE
TEST SCORES OF THEIR STUDENTS
AND 20% ACCORDING TO HOW THEY
GROW AS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT
THEY PUT THEM ON A 15 POINT
SCALE WHICH I'M NOT SURE I
TOTALLY UNDERSTAND BUT HAVE
DECIDED TO DO THAT. BUT NOW
THERE'S SOME THINKING THAT
MAYBE THIS WHOLE FORMULA NEEDS
TO BE CHANGED IN THE
LEGISLATURE. AND LET ME GIVES
THEM SOME KUDOS HERE RATHER
THAN MAKING THE DECISION
THEMSELVES THEY TOSSED IT BACK
TO MARK JOHNSON IN IN THE STATE
BOARD OF EDUCATION AND SAID YOU
GUYS TALK ABOUT IT AND COME TO
US WITH SOME RECOMMENDATION.
>> WELL THE PROBLEM WITH THAT
IS THAT THE SENATE LEADERSHIP
HAS REFUSED TO HAVE A
CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT THE
LAST SEVERAL SESSIONS, THE
REPUBLICAN HOUSE LEADERSHIP ONE
TIME IN THE BUDGET ONE COMMON
THE BILL AS CHANGE THE GRATING
FORMULA TO BE 50% TO SCORE 50%
GROWTH WHICH MAKES A LOT MORE
SENSE. SOME PEOPLE JOHN AMONG
THEM HAVE ADVOCATED TO 2
SEPARATE MEASUREMENTS. SO THERE
ARE REPUBLICANS EVEN CRAIG
CORNER DISAGREE WITH QUITE A
BIT ON A LOT OF EDUCATION
ISSUES HAS BEEN A PROPONENT
CHANGING THE FORMULA. THE
SENATE LEADERSHIP HAS REFUSED A
YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR
WE'VE HAD ALL THE SCHOOLS
CLAIMING THAT THEY'RE FAILING
WHEN THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING
PRETTY WILL TO HELP
ECONOMICALLY DISADVANTAGED
KIDS. THE STUDY IS BETTER THAN
NOTHING BUT I THINK THIS IS
ROCKET SCIENCE WE COULD HAVE
ALREADY CHANGED IT.
>> BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE WE'VE
TALKED ABOUT EDUCATION ISSUES
AND I MAKE A PLEDGE THAT
WERE GOING TO DO PARTICULARLY
SCHOOL IS GETTING READY TO
START AGAIN WE'RE GOING TO BE
DOING MORE OF THAT.
>> THERE WILL BE A TEST AT THE
END OF THE QUARTER.
>> THANK YOU.
>> IT'S GOING TO BE 50-50.
>> AFRAID I WAS GOING TO GET AN
F THERE.
LET'S SWITCH
TOPICS. PUBLIC UTILITY
COMPANIES ARE CALLED REGULATED
MONOPOLIES WITH
REGULATORS ALLOWING RATES.
THEY PROVIDE REASONABLE RETURNS
TO THEIR INVESTORS WHILE
ENSURING GOOD SERVICE TO
CUSTOMERS BUT WE'VE NOT SEEN
ANYTHING IN RECENT MEMORY IS
CONTENTIOUS. AS THE ARGUMENTS
OVER WHAT'S NOW CALLED SENATE
BILL 5.59. IF IT'S PASSED AND
GOVERNOR COOPER SIGNS IT WILL
MAKE A MAJOR SHIFT IN THE WAY
RIGHT WE'RE GOING TO BE
ESTABLISHED OVER THE NEXT 10
YEARS GIVING DUKE ENERGY MORE
LEEWAY IN ESTABLISHING THEIR
RIGHTS. A MAJOR CAMPAIGN HAS
BEEN WAGED IN OPPOSITION TO
THIS URGING THE GOVERNOR TO
VETO THE BILL DONNA THIS
CAMPAIGN IN OPPOSITION TO THE
SENATE BILL 5.59 IS THAT THE
REASON IT
HASN'T PASSED THE HOUSE?
>> THE REASON IT HASN'T PASSED
THE HOUSE IS BECAUSE THERE'S NO
CONSENSUS AMONG HOUSE LEADERSHIP
ABOUT WHAT TO DO HERE.
THIS IS A REALLY COMPLEX
BILL COMPLEX THE SITUATION AND
SO REPRESENTATIVE DAVID LEWIS
CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE RULES
COMMITTEE. THE SIGNALED HIS
SUPPORT FOR THIS, BUT THEY'RE
LAW THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SAYING
BEHIND THE SCENES, WHAT IS THIS
REALLY ALL ABOUT ALL OF THESE
PROVISIONS, LET'S NOT MOVE TOO
QUICKLY. I SEE IT IS REALLY AN
ISSUE OF TRYING TO PROTECT RATE
PAYERS AND THAT'S WHY I LIKE
THIS A REVIEW EVERY TIME
THERE'S A REQUEST, I'M WEARY OF
THIS IDEA --
>> SO YOU'RE NOT --
WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING IS
YOU'RE NOT CRAZY ABOUT THE
SENATE BILL 5.59.
>> I'M NOT CRAZY
ABOUT IT. I I WANT TO PROTECT --
>> SEEMS LIKE IT IT NEGATES THE
POWERS OF THE STATE UTILITY,
>> BUT HERE'S THE THING I
THINK DUKE HAS LEGITIMATE
CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS ABOUT
WHAT TO DO WITH AGING
INFRASTRUCTURE. AND SO THAT'S
WHY I SAY WE DO HAVE TO LOOK AT
THOSE QUESTIONS WE DO HAVE TO
PAY FOR IT.
>> ROB, THE WAY THIS WORKS IS
THAT IT'S A
2 PART BILL
BASICALLY THE FIRST IS GOING TO
ALLOW DUKE OR DOMINION TO BE
ABLE TO SELL BONDS IS IN THE
EVENT OF ANOTHER HURRICANE OR
STORM DAMAGE OR
WHATEVER LIKE THAT
>> THAT'S NOT CONTROVERSIAL.
>> THAT'S NOT CONTROVERSIAL AT
ALL.
THE SECOND PART ALLOWS THEM
TO ASK FOR RIGHT SUCCESSIVE
RATE INCREASES OVER A 5 YEAR
PERIOD OF TIME INSTEAD OF GOING
BACK AS DONNA WAS SAYING TO THE
UTILITIES COMMISSION IS TIME TO
MAKE THE CASE IS IT WHAT'S THE
PROBLEM WITH THIS?
IT DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE A WHOLE
LOT OF CONSTITUENTS.
>> I THINK - THE CONSTITUENT IS
DUKE THAT'S WHO'S BEHIND IT -
THERE'S NOT NECESSARILY A
PROBLEM
WITH
GIVING MULTIPLE YOU'RE A REAL
HAVE MULTIPLE YEAR RATE CASES,
THE ISSUE OF IT.
>> HAS TO DO WITH THE CRITERIA
THAT ARE USED FOR ASSESSING
WHETHER THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL OR
NOT WE HAVE AN EXISTENTIAL
CLIMATE CRISIS IN OUR SOCIETY
RIGHT NOW DUKE ENERGY IS LIKE
IT OR NOT AT THE CENTER OF THAT
THEY ARE THE HUGE CARBON FUEL
USER THEY ARE SENDING PLUMES OF
SEE CO 2 INTO OUR ATMOSPHERE
WE'VE GOT TO MAKE IT A CRITICAL
COMPONENT OF THAT THAT WE MOVE
SWIFTLY TO A RENEWABLE ENERGY.
>> YOU'RE ARGUING FOR RATE
INCREASES
>> NOT NECESSARILY BECAUSE
ACTUALLY DAY IF THEY
FOR INSTANCE MOVED TO A SMART
GRID SYSTEM WHICH COULD
ACTUALLY WHICH ACTUALLY WOULD
REDUCE THE NEED TO PRODUCE
ELECTRICITY AND SEND OUT JUST
AS MUCH AS NEEDED OUT ON TO THE
GRID, WE CAN ACTUALLY DO THAT --
[ALL TALKING]
IT'S GOING TO COST
$13 BILLION.
I'M NOT TAKING
THEIR SIDE NECESSARILY LOW AS
35 STATES ALREADY HAVE SOME
VERSION THIS DON'T THAT DON'T
>> THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THERE
ARE WAYS TO DO THIS SO THAT THE
ALL THE MONEY DOESN'T GO TO THE
SHAREHOLDER THERE LABELED S P
500 DOES NOT HAVE HAPPENING IS
THAT THE SENATE IS NOT
CONFIRMING GOVERNOR COOPER'S
NOMINEES THE UTILITIES
COMMISSION WE HAVE ONLY FOR THE
7 MEMBERS ON THERE NOW OR EVEN
SERVING THE COMMISSION IS
GREATLY DEPLETED THAT WOULD BE
ANOTHER THING WE SHOULD DO TO
GET THIS MOVING.
>> FAR AS IT GOES THIS NC WARN
CHRIS IS THE ORGANIZATION
THAT IS I MEAN HUGE NEWSPAPER
ADS TELEVISION ADS SO FEELS
LIKE THEY'RE AND THEY'RE CITING
THE FACT THAT THERE'S BEEN OVER
$1.6 MILLION IN CAMPAIGN
CONTRIBUTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN
GIVEN TO SENATOR BYRD OR
SENATOR MORE THAN BLUE DAVID
LEWIS. THEY SAY THE RIGHT
YOU'RE GOING TO BE INCREASED BY
50% IF THIS BILL PASSED AND
MORE COST ARE GOING TO BE PAID
BY SHAREHOLDERS AND THEN BY
BY RATE PAYERS
THAN SHAREHOLDERS.
>> OVERRIDING THINGS ARE GETTING
IN THE WEEDS, THIS FIRST OF ALL
DOES ANYBODY THINK
THAT DUKE POWER, DUKE
ENERGY, DOMINION DON'T HAVE A
ENOUGH INFLUENCE OVER RATES AND
DON'T GET THEIR WAY 95% OF THE
TIME ALREADY IN NORTH CAROLINA,
SO FIRST OF ALL WHAT
ARE THEY SCREAMING ABOUT?
AND THE SECOND
THING IS WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS
IN THIS DRAMATIC A FASHION
WITHOUT A LINK THAT WE TALKED
ABOUT STUDYING THINGS EARLIER
WHY WOULD YOU NOT STUDY THIS
HAVE PEOPLE HAVE CONSUMER
ADVOCATE SAID THE UTILITY
EXPERTS HAVE EVERYBODY DO THIS
IN A THOUGHTFUL WAY THAN RUN
THIS IS THE LEGISLATURE THIS
WAY I THINK WHAT THE NC WARN IS
ON TO SOMETHING ALWAYS
NECESSARILY AGREE THEM I THINK
IN THIS CASE WE NEED TO NOT DO
THIS THIS YEAR
AT THE VERY LEAST.
>> THIS IS REALLY RARE.
I'M FINDING
THAT THERE'S CONSENSUS ON THIS
PANEL BUT ON THIS ISSUE.
>> YEAH, I'M WITH YOU ON
THE STUDY,
BUT AMONG THE EVERYBODY HAS TO
BE AN ECONOMIST, AN ECONOMIST
[ALL TALKING]
>> JOHN, IF THIS PASSES, WILL
COOPER VETO IT?
>> I THINK THE RELATIONSHIP WAS
BETWEEN THE GOVERNOR AND DUKE
IS NOT EXACTLY HUNKY DORY SO
WOULD BE BETTING ON IT IF I WAS
ON THE DUKE SIDE OR MAYBE HE
WOULD DEMAND SOMETHING TO GET
HIS SIGNATURE THERE'S BEEN A
HISTORY OF THE GOVERNOR HOLD
THINGS UP UNTIL DO GIVEN WHAT
HE WANTS.
>> ALL RIGHT, LET'S TURN AROUND
TO THE PART OF THE PROGRAM
WHERE WE ASK THE PANEL TO
TELL US SOMETHING WE DON'T KNOW
CHRIS?
>> FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND
YEARS REPUBLICANS AND MANY
PEOPLE ON THIS PANEL COMPLAINED
ABOUT PORK BARREL SPENDING AND
LOCAL PROJECTS GETTING MONEY
WHEN DEMOCRATS ARE IN POWER W
REAL RELEASED A DATABASE THIS
WEEK ALMOST $400 MILLION WORTH
OF SINGLE DIRECTED LOCAL
PROJECTS ARE REALLY PORK
BARREL. IRONICALLY THAT'S
ROUGHLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF
MONEY WOULD COST NORTH CAROLINA
FOR ITS SHARE OF MEDICAID
EXPANSION. WE HAVE A BUDGET
THAT IS CHOCK FULL OF PORK
BARREL. I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY
CONSERVATIVES --
OR REPUBLICANS
SAY A WORD ABOUT IT.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE DEFINING
ISSUES
WHEN THEY WERE NOT IN
POWER.
>> I'LL HAVE TO GO LOOK AT IT
BECAUSE I SOMEHOW KNOW
THAT THAT ESCAPE ME.
ROB SCHOFIELD
TELL US SOMETHING WE DON'T KNOW.
ONE BIG STORY WE HAD ON NC
POLICY WATCH THIS WEEK
WAS THE FACT THAT THERE IS A
MOVE AFOOT
IN CONGRESS TO RENAME LEJUNE
HIGH SCHOOL ON THE CAMPUS OF
THE CAN WE DO TO MAKE IT.
WALTER JONES HIGH SCHOOL IT HAS
PRODUCED A FIRESTORM OF
OPPOSITION WE HAVE GOTTEN 10'S
OF THOUSANDS OF SHARES AND
STORY ON OUR WEB SITE DOESN'T
SCORES OF NEGATIVE COMMENTS.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO
HAPPEN.
>> DONNA MARTINEZ TELL US
SOMETHING WE DON'T KNOW.
>> SOCIAL MEDIA INFLUENCERS,
SO WE ALL KNOW WHAT
THEY ARE AND WE THINK OF THEM IN
TERMS OF FASHION AND
ENTERTAINMENT. BUT THERE'S A
GROWING TREND IN SOCIAL MEDIA
INFLUENCERS OF YOUNG FARMERS
ACROSS THIS COUNTRY. THEY HAVE
YOUTUBE CHANNELS WHERE THEY
HAVE 10'S 100'S OF THOUSANDS OF
FOLLOWERS AND THEY ARE HELPING
PEOPLE UNDERSTAND NOT ONLY
WHERE FOOD COMES FROM ABOUT THE
INDUSTRY ABOUT LOVE THE LAND
ABOUT SELF-RELIANCE AND ALL
THAT I HOPE THAT TREND COMES TO
NORTH CAROLINA WE NEED THAT.
>> JOHN HOOD TO TELL US
SOMETHING WE DON'T KNOW.
>> AN INDIVIDUAL FROM TEXAS
NAMED
PICO VISITED NORTH CAROLINA'S
OUTER BANKS.
>> IS THIS ANOTHER EMU,
>> NO, IT IS NOT.
>> ALL RIGHT.
>> AND LAST YEAR PICO VISITED
NEW YORK BUT STAYED CAPTORS
DON'T A SOLID TEXAS, HE IS A 7
A HALF FOOT MACO SHARK.
AND I BELIEVE THAT PICO IS
VISITING THESE OTHER STATES BUT
HE'S GOING TO KEEP HIS DOMICILE
IN TEXAS BECAUSE IT HAS NO
INCOME TAX.
[LAUGHTER]
>> I HOPE SO.
>> YOU KNOW FOLKS, JOHN LAST --
>> KIND OF A LOAN SHARK WHEN YOU
THINK ABOUT IT --
[ALL MOANING]
>> THIS IS REALLY GETTING WORSE.
WELL, I JUST GOT TO TELL YOU,
THIS IS A BIG BIRTHDAY
WEEKEND FOR SOME OF THE NC SPIN
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SPEAKER JOE MAVERITIC IS
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SENATOR HOWARD LEE FORMER HEAD
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