1 00:00:03,536 --> 00:00:06,506 >> THIS IS NC SPIN, AN UNREHEARSED DISCUSSION 2 00:00:06,606 --> 00:00:09,175 ON ISSUES OF INTEREST TO NORTH CAROLINIANS. 3 00:00:09,275 --> 00:00:12,212 NOW HERE'S YOUR MODERATOR, TOM CAMPBELL. 4 00:00:14,414 --> 00:00:17,384 >> HELLO, EVERYONE ON WELCOME TO NC SPIN, I'M BRAD CRONE 5 00:00:17,484 --> 00:00:20,487 SITTING IN THIS WEEK FOR TOM CAMPBELL WHO'S ON VACATION. 6 00:00:20,587 --> 00:00:22,522 ON THIS MEMORIAL DAY EDITION, WE LOOK AT THE 7 00:00:22,622 --> 00:00:25,759 GROWING CONCERNS ABOUT THE RISING TOLL OF STUDENT DEBT; 8 00:00:25,859 --> 00:00:28,228 LOCAL EFFORTS TO POLICE THE POLICE AND WE 9 00:00:28,328 --> 00:00:31,698 PREVIEW THE MAJOR CAMPAIGNS DEVELOPING RIGHT NOW. 10 00:00:31,798 --> 00:00:33,266 JOINING US ON THE PANEL THIS WEEK ARE: 11 00:00:33,366 --> 00:00:35,602 BECKI GRAY, WITH THE JOHN LOCKE FOUNDATION, 12 00:00:35,702 --> 00:00:39,139 JOHN HOOD, SYNDICATED COLUMNIST AND AUTHOR, 13 00:00:39,239 --> 00:00:41,841 ROB SCHOFIELD, WITH NC POLICY WATCH, 14 00:00:41,941 --> 00:00:44,744 AND HOWARD LEE, FORMER STATE SENATOR. 15 00:00:44,844 --> 00:00:47,480 THIS MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND, EVERYONE AT NC SPIN WOULD 16 00:00:47,580 --> 00:00:49,716 LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT AND PAY TRIBUTE TO THE MEN AND 17 00:00:49,816 --> 00:00:53,186 WOMEN WHO HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES IN DEFENSE OF OUR NATION. 18 00:00:53,286 --> 00:00:55,155 AND TO SAY THANK YOU TO THEIR FAMILIES WHO HAVE 19 00:00:55,255 --> 00:00:57,157 SACRIFICED SO MUCH. 20 00:00:57,257 --> 00:00:59,459 NORTH CAROLINA HAS GIVEN MANY WHO HAVE FOUGHT AND 21 00:00:59,559 --> 00:01:02,796 SACRIFICED SO WE MIGHT LIVE IN PEACE. 22 00:01:02,896 --> 00:01:05,031 THIS WEEKEND OUR HEARTS ARE HEAVY 23 00:01:05,131 --> 00:01:07,300 WITH PRIDE AND GRATITUDE. 24 00:01:07,934 --> 00:01:10,804 WE BEGIN OUR UNINTERRUPTED DEBATE AFTER THESE BRIEF 25 00:01:10,904 --> 00:01:12,505 MESSAGES FROM OUR UNDERWRITERS. 26 00:01:15,975 --> 00:01:17,544 - [ANNOUNCER] THEY'RE UP BEFORE DAWN, 27 00:01:17,644 --> 00:01:20,180 AND WORK LATE INTO THE NIGHT. 28 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,149 THEY BELIEVE IN HARD WORK, FAMILY, 29 00:01:23,249 --> 00:01:25,652 AND DOING THE RIGHT THING. 30 00:01:25,752 --> 00:01:27,987 THEY STAND UP FOR THEIR COMMUNITIES 31 00:01:28,088 --> 00:01:30,623 WHEN OTHERS WALK AWAY. 32 00:01:30,723 --> 00:01:33,660 THEY'RE GOOD PEOPLE WHO JUST WANT A FAIR SHAKE. 33 00:01:34,527 --> 00:01:36,062 THEY ARE FARMERS. 34 00:01:36,996 --> 00:01:39,032 AT NORTH CAROLINA FARM BUREAU, 35 00:01:39,132 --> 00:01:41,968 WE ARE PROUD TO STAND WITH OUR FARMERS. 36 00:01:43,369 --> 00:01:45,438 - [ANNOUNCER] TODAY'S TOOLS MAKE YOU A REAL DIYER, 37 00:01:45,538 --> 00:01:47,474 AND AS A MEMBER OF AN ELECTRIC COOPERATIVE, 38 00:01:47,574 --> 00:01:50,810 YOU HAVE LOTS OF VALUABLE TOOLS TO HELP YOU DO IT YOURSELF 39 00:01:50,910 --> 00:01:53,313 IN CONTROLLING YOUR HOME ENERGY USE AND BUDGET, 40 00:01:53,413 --> 00:01:57,884 LEAVING YOU FREE TO BE DAD. 41 00:01:58,751 --> 00:02:00,887 >> PARTNERS FOR INNOVATION IN HEALTH CARE. 42 00:02:00,987 --> 00:02:03,056 WE ARE SUPPORTING COMMON SENSE SOLUTIONS 43 00:02:03,156 --> 00:02:05,692 FOR NORTH CAROLINA'S HEALTH CARE DELIVERY SYSTEM. 44 00:02:05,792 --> 00:02:09,929 PROMOTING ACCESS, AFFORDABILITY, QUALITY CARE, AND INNOVATION. 45 00:02:10,029 --> 00:02:13,566 VISIT US ON THE WEB AT PIHC.INFO 46 00:02:14,267 --> 00:02:16,636 >> PRODUCTION UNDERWRITING PROVIDED BY THE NORTH CAROLINA 47 00:02:16,736 --> 00:02:18,972 ACADEMY OF FAMILY PHYSICIANS. 48 00:02:19,072 --> 00:02:22,742 FAMILY PHYSICIANS, YOUR TRUSTED HEALTHCARE ADVISOR FOR LIFE. 49 00:02:24,511 --> 00:02:25,512 LET'S GET STARTED. 50 00:02:26,146 --> 00:02:28,948 CAMPAIGN 2020 IS TAKING SHAPE WITH BOTH PARTIES 51 00:02:29,048 --> 00:02:31,184 WORKING TO RECRUIT CANDIDATES AND PUT 52 00:02:31,284 --> 00:02:33,820 TOGETHER A SLATE FOR NEXT YEAR'S GENERAL ELECTION. 53 00:02:33,920 --> 00:02:35,822 ONE OF THE MOST INTERESTING RACES SO FAR 54 00:02:35,922 --> 00:02:38,158 IS THE US SENATE WHERE INCUMBENT THOM TILLIS IS 55 00:02:38,258 --> 00:02:40,527 FACING A CREDIBLE PRIMARY CHALLENGER AND THE 56 00:02:40,627 --> 00:02:43,463 DEMOCRATS HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIND A CANDIDATE. 57 00:02:44,397 --> 00:02:47,400 QUESTION 1 TO BECKI - HOW SERIOUS SHOULD SEN. TILLIS 58 00:02:47,500 --> 00:02:50,003 TAKE THE GARLAND TUCKER CAMPAIGN? 59 00:02:50,103 --> 00:02:52,939 >> ANY CANDIDATE INCUMBENT SHOULD TAKE A CHALLENGE VERY 60 00:02:53,039 --> 00:02:55,909 SERIOUSLY AND I DON'T THINK THIS IS ANY DIFFERENT AT ALL. 61 00:02:56,009 --> 00:03:00,146 ON SENATOR TILLIS HAS A RECORD TO RUN ON AND ON WE'LL 62 00:03:00,246 --> 00:03:03,449 BE HEARING A LOT ABOUT THAT THINK THE SENATOR TILLIS 63 00:03:03,550 --> 00:03:06,419 SHOULD LOOK AT THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO LET THE VOTERS 64 00:03:06,519 --> 00:03:09,055 KNOW WHAT HE'S DONE HAS A LONG RECORD NOT JUST IN THE US 65 00:03:09,155 --> 00:03:11,491 SENATE, BUT ALSO IN THE NORTH CAROLINA HOUSE DON'T FORGET HE 66 00:03:11,591 --> 00:03:14,694 WAS THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE. I THINK TO EXPECT THAT HE WOULD 67 00:03:14,794 --> 00:03:17,797 NOT HAVE A CHALLENGER FOR THIS FIRST TIME THAT HE'S LOOKING 68 00:03:17,897 --> 00:03:21,201 FOR REELECTION WOULD HAVE BEEN TOTALLY UNREALISTIC AND I THINK 69 00:03:21,301 --> 00:03:24,971 COMPETITION IS GOOD. I THINK MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR VOTERS 70 00:03:25,071 --> 00:03:27,273 TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE CANDIDATES MAKES THE WHOLE 71 00:03:27,373 --> 00:03:31,077 PROCESS RICHER AND SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS. 72 00:03:31,177 --> 00:03:33,179 >> JOHN IS THIS A PHILOSOPHICAL FIGHT WITH 73 00:03:33,279 --> 00:03:37,517 THE RIGHT WING SAYING WE DON'T REALLY LIKE THOM TILLIS WE SEE 74 00:03:37,617 --> 00:03:41,621 HIM AS A MODERATE AND CENTRIST AND WILL TILLIS EVER BE ABLE 75 00:03:41,721 --> 00:03:43,790 TO PLACATE THE ULTRA CONSERVATIVES? 76 00:03:43,890 --> 00:03:47,460 >> WELL, I THINK THAT PEOPLE WANT TO PUT THE TILLIS PRIMARY 77 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,496 WITH GARLAND TUCKER AND PERHAPS OTHERS WE DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW 78 00:03:50,597 --> 00:03:53,800 IN A STRICTLY IT A LOGICAL BOX I THINK IT'S HARD TO DO THAT IF 79 00:03:53,900 --> 00:03:56,569 YOU LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED WHEN GARLAND TUCKER ANNOUNCED, 80 00:03:56,669 --> 00:03:59,005 OF COURSE TUCKER LIKE A LOT OF CONSERVATIVES HAD EXPRESSED 81 00:03:59,105 --> 00:04:03,676 CONCERNS ABOUT TRUMP DURING THAT 2015 2016 PERIOD, TILLIS 82 00:04:03,776 --> 00:04:06,312 SUPPORTERS TYPICALLY PEOPLE IN CONGRESS, THE PEOPLE WHO WORK 83 00:04:06,412 --> 00:04:08,648 FOR PEOPLE IN CONGRESS WENT IN AND PULLED THOSE THINGS AND 84 00:04:08,748 --> 00:04:12,352 CALLED GARLAND TUCKER AND OUT OF TOUCH LIBERAL WHO IS AGAINST 85 00:04:12,452 --> 00:04:15,221 DONALD TRUMP NOW THAT IS NOT THE KIND OF RHETORIC WE WOULD 86 00:04:15,321 --> 00:04:18,524 TYPICALLY SEE IN A MODERATE VERSUS CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN 87 00:04:18,625 --> 00:04:21,995 PRIMARY CIRCA 1980 OR SOMETHING IT JUST A DIFFERENT THING. 88 00:04:22,095 --> 00:04:25,398 BOTH SIDES ARE CLAIMING TO BE CLOSER TO TRUMP THAN THE OTHER, 89 00:04:25,498 --> 00:04:27,834 I THINK IT'S HARD TO JAM THAT INTO ANY IDEOLOGICAL BOX. 90 00:04:27,934 --> 00:04:31,104 >> I WOULD SUBMIT TO YOU THAT THE YOUNG PERSON WHO WROTE THAT 91 00:04:31,204 --> 00:04:34,574 PRESS RELEASE ABOUT GARLAND TUCKER BEING LIBERAL AND CARTER 92 00:04:34,674 --> 00:04:37,744 BEING OUT OF TOUCH. CARTER HAS FORGOTTEN MORE ABOUT NORTH 93 00:04:37,844 --> 00:04:39,746 CAROLINA POLITICS THAN THEY WILL EVER REALLY KNOW. 94 00:04:39,846 --> 00:04:41,748 ROB, LET'S LOOK AT THE DEMOCRAT SIDE. 95 00:04:41,848 --> 00:04:47,120 YOU HAVE JANET COWELL BEING COURTED BY THE DSCC 96 00:04:47,220 --> 00:04:50,290 ERIC MANSFIELD A FORMER STATE SENATOR PHYSICIAN OUT OF 97 00:04:50,390 --> 00:04:54,527 FAYETTEVILLE HERE IN RALEIGH, STATE SENATOR ERICA SMITH HELD 98 00:04:54,627 --> 00:04:59,299 A CAMPAIGN KICKOFF LAST WEEK. FORMER STATE SENATOR CAL 99 00:04:59,399 --> 00:05:01,934 CUNNINGHAM IS RUNNING FOR LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR BUT IS 100 00:05:02,035 --> 00:05:06,639 BEING HEAVILY COURTED BY THE DSCC. THEY CONTEND THAT THERE 101 00:05:06,739 --> 00:05:09,542 AS POLLING DATA THAT CAL CUNNINGHAM WOULD PERFORM VERY 102 00:05:09,642 --> 00:05:12,612 WELL IN A MATCHUP AGAINST THOM TILLIS WHERE'S THE DEMOCRATIC 103 00:05:12,712 --> 00:05:13,913 SLATE RIGHT NOW. 104 00:05:14,013 --> 00:05:15,715 >> WELL I THINK IT'S A VERY COMPETITIVE GROUP. I MEAN THE 105 00:05:15,815 --> 00:05:19,552 REALITY IS THAT TILLIS HIMSELF DIDN'T ANNOUNCE FOR 2014 UNTIL 106 00:05:19,652 --> 00:05:22,355 ABOUT THIS TIME IN 2013, SO IT'S NOT SURPRISING THAT IT'S 107 00:05:22,455 --> 00:05:25,124 NOT CLARIFIED THAT IT'S A IT'S A GROUP OF VERY STRONG 108 00:05:25,224 --> 00:05:27,460 CANDIDATES, I HAVE TO MAKE A DISCLOSURE THAT ERIC MANSFIELD 109 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:29,762 DOCUMENT STILL SERVES ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE 110 00:05:29,862 --> 00:05:32,699 PARENT ORGANIZATION OF NC POLICY WATCH BUT I CAN SAY THAT 111 00:05:32,799 --> 00:05:35,702 THEY'RE ALL VERY COMPETITIVE. STRONG CANDIDATES. TILLIS IS 112 00:05:35,802 --> 00:05:38,438 NUMBERS ARE HAVE BEEN AROUND LOW 30'S EVER SINCE HE'S BEEN 113 00:05:38,538 --> 00:05:41,007 ELECTED, HE'S A VERY VULNERABLE. KENNEDY WON A VERY 114 00:05:41,107 --> 00:05:43,976 NARROW ELECTION VICTORY OVER KAY HAGAN IN 24 TO REMEMBER 115 00:05:44,077 --> 00:05:47,013 THAT WAS THE WHOLE BOWL, LOOK SUPPOSE A CRISIS THAT CAME AT 116 00:05:47,113 --> 00:05:49,916 THE LAST MINUTE THAT MAY HAVE TIPPED IN HIS FAVOR SO HE'S GOT 117 00:05:50,016 --> 00:05:52,819 A HE'S GOT A TOUGH ROAD TO HOPE WHOEVER THE DEMOCRATS 118 00:05:52,919 --> 00:05:55,455 >> WOULD YOU SAY JANET COWELL AND CAL CUNNINGHAM 119 00:05:55,555 --> 00:05:56,689 WOULD BE THE TOP 2 120 00:05:56,789 --> 00:05:58,858 FAVORITES FOR THE DEMOCRATIC SENATE CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE? 121 00:05:58,958 --> 00:06:00,193 >> I THINK IT'S EXPECTED THAT THAT BOTH 122 00:06:00,293 --> 00:06:01,594 WILL HAVE A LOT OF SUCCESS RAISING MONEY, 123 00:06:01,694 --> 00:06:03,329 I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF DEMOCRATS WHO 124 00:06:03,429 --> 00:06:05,798 THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WE HAVE A VERY DIVERSE TICKET. 125 00:06:05,898 --> 00:06:08,868 THE DEMOCRATS PUT FORTH A CANDIDATE OF COLOR FOR SOME HIGH 126 00:06:08,968 --> 00:06:11,704 OFFICE AND I THINK THAT IS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE AS WELL. 127 00:06:11,804 --> 00:06:13,206 THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T UNDERESTIMATE 128 00:06:13,306 --> 00:06:15,141 ERICA SMITH EITHER. 129 00:06:15,241 --> 00:06:17,910 >> HOWARD LEE IN THE SCHEME OF NATIONAL POLITICS IN STATE 130 00:06:18,010 --> 00:06:21,714 POLITICS ACROSS THE STATE. HOW DO YOU SEE 2020 DEVELOP IN 131 00:06:21,814 --> 00:06:24,417 THE US SENATE RACE, IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING LIKE WE SAW IN 132 00:06:24,517 --> 00:06:29,422 1984 WITH THE HELMS HOT RACE OR IN 1990 WITH THE GAP HELMS 133 00:06:29,522 --> 00:06:32,759 RACE WILL IT BE A A NATIONAL STAGE RACE. 134 00:06:32,859 --> 00:06:34,761 >> I THINK NORTH CAROLINA CERTAINLY 135 00:06:34,861 --> 00:06:38,398 HAS POSITIONED ITSELF TO GET A LOT OF NATIONAL ATTENTION 136 00:06:38,498 --> 00:06:41,334 THAT REASON BEING THAT ALL STATE SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE MORE 137 00:06:41,434 --> 00:06:44,337 BALANCED AND MORE CLOSE TO A PURPLE STATE, THE MANY OF THOSE 138 00:06:44,437 --> 00:06:48,574 AND THEREFORE PEOPLE WILL BE LOOKING TO US TO HOPE FOR MOOD 139 00:06:48,674 --> 00:06:52,512 BRING SOME BALANCE INTO THIS INTO THIS PROCESS I THINK TOM 140 00:06:52,612 --> 00:06:56,616 HAS REALLY MR. WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW A LEVEL OF 141 00:06:56,716 --> 00:07:00,453 STRAIGHT AS HE BEFORE AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SEEN HIM BE 142 00:07:00,553 --> 00:07:03,556 MORE AGGRESSIVE IN TERMS OF PROTECTING THE INTERESTS OF THE 143 00:07:03,656 --> 00:07:06,526 PEOPLE, BUT I THINK IS GOING TO BE NOT GET A LOT OF NATIONAL 144 00:07:06,626 --> 00:07:07,827 ATTENTION. 145 00:07:07,927 --> 00:07:09,662 >> BECKI ANOTHER RACE PEOPLE ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO ACROSS 146 00:07:09,762 --> 00:07:12,398 THE STATE IS DEVELOPING PRIMARY IN THE REPUBLICAN 147 00:07:12,498 --> 00:07:15,535 PARTY FOR GOVERNOR THERE'S TALK THAT STATE REPRESENTATIVE HOLLY 148 00:07:15,635 --> 00:07:18,504 GRANGE FROM WILMINGTON IS PLANNING TO MOUNT A CHALLENGE 149 00:07:18,604 --> 00:07:20,940 AGAINST INCUMBENT LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR DAN FAR. 150 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:22,975 >> I DON'T THINK IT'S ANY SECRET, SHE'S LOOKING AT THAT 151 00:07:23,075 --> 00:07:24,444 RACE, I SPOKE TO HER LAST WEEK I DON'T THINK SHE'S MADE A 152 00:07:24,544 --> 00:07:28,614 DECISION FOR SURE, BUT YOU KNOW AGAIN FOR THE SHOULD NOT COME 153 00:07:28,714 --> 00:07:32,084 AS A SURPRISE TO ANYBODY WHEN YOU LOOK ACROSS THE HORIZON AT 154 00:07:32,185 --> 00:07:34,754 THE RISING STARS IN BOTH PARTIES MEAN YOU JUST MENTIONED 155 00:07:34,854 --> 00:07:36,989 SOME OF THESE FOLKS THAT MAY GET INTO THE DEMOCRATIC RACE 156 00:07:37,089 --> 00:07:40,259 FOR THE US SENATE RICE ON YOU KNOW WE SEE THIS HOLLY GRANGE 157 00:07:40,359 --> 00:07:42,462 IS A GREAT CANDIDATE. SHE WAS ONE OF THE FEW WOMEN THAT HAVE 158 00:07:42,562 --> 00:07:46,999 BEEN THROUGH WEST POINT SHE'S A VETERAN SHE'S REPRESENTED HER 159 00:07:47,099 --> 00:07:49,836 DISTRICT REALLY WELL WITH SOME REAL CONTROVERSY LYCIAN OF THE 160 00:07:49,936 --> 00:07:53,506 GEN X AND FILM CREDITS AND LOTS OF THINGS LIKE THAT YOU KNOW 161 00:07:53,606 --> 00:07:57,443 THAT SHE WOULD WANT TO OR LOOK TO A HIGHER AND YOU KNOW A 162 00:07:57,543 --> 00:08:01,314 STATEWIDE RACE SHOULDN'T BE A SURPRISE TO ANYBODY. 163 00:08:01,414 --> 00:08:04,183 >> ROB, ON THE DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL SIDE 23 CANDIDATES 164 00:08:04,283 --> 00:08:08,120 AND COUNTING RIGHT NOW MAYBE 24. 165 00:08:08,221 --> 00:08:10,523 IS BIDEN FRONT RUNNER STATUS IN THE STATE RIGHT NOW? 166 00:08:10,623 --> 00:08:12,525 >> I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY DOUBT THAT HE'S WAY AHEAD. 167 00:08:12,625 --> 00:08:15,495 SANDERS AND YOU HAVE THAT OPERATE NAME RECOGNITION. 168 00:08:15,595 --> 00:08:18,297 IT'S POSSIBLE, I COULD SEE A COUPLE OF ONE OR 2 PEOPLE 169 00:08:18,397 --> 00:08:20,967 EMERGING FROM THE PACK AND MY GOSH WHAT A SCRUM I THINK AT 170 00:08:21,067 --> 00:08:24,670 THIS POINT BIDEN HAS A WELLSPRING OF SUPPORT. HE'S IS 171 00:08:24,770 --> 00:08:28,374 NAME RECOGNITION IS HIGH. HE HAS THE CONNECTION TO OBAMA 172 00:08:28,474 --> 00:08:31,844 I THINK YOU'LL UNLESS SOMETHING DRAMATIC CHANGES HE'S GOING TO 173 00:08:31,944 --> 00:08:33,112 HAVE A REAL LEG UP. 174 00:08:33,212 --> 00:08:35,414 >> AS THESE CAMPAIGNS AND UNFOLD IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE 175 00:08:35,515 --> 00:08:36,749 AN INTERESTING SUMMER. 176 00:08:36,849 --> 00:08:38,885 LET'S SHIFT TO ANOTHER TOPIC. 177 00:08:38,985 --> 00:08:41,220 LAST WEEK BILLIONAIRE INVESTOR ROBERT SMITH TOLD STUDENTS AT 178 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,524 MOREHOUSE COLLEGE IN ATLANTA THAT HIS FOUNDATION WAS WIPING 179 00:08:44,624 --> 00:08:45,858 OUT THEIR STUDENT LOANS. 180 00:08:45,958 --> 00:08:48,628 THAT'S A $40 MILLION ACT OF GENEROSITY. 181 00:08:48,728 --> 00:08:50,329 REMINDS US THAT THE NORTH CAROLINA STATE 182 00:08:50,429 --> 00:08:53,099 CONSTITUTION PROMISES STUDENTS AN AFFORDABLE TUITION TO OUR 183 00:08:53,199 --> 00:08:56,135 SECONDARY SCHOOLS WITH GRADUATION IS OVER THE STAR 184 00:08:56,235 --> 00:08:59,472 REALITY SETS IN AND OUT OF STUDENTS PAY BACK THEIR DEBT. 185 00:08:59,572 --> 00:09:01,707 QUESTION ONE TO HOWARD LEE SENATOR IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE 186 00:09:01,807 --> 00:09:04,944 REALLY PUTTING IT TO THE NEXT GENERATION WHEN WE SETTLED IN 187 00:09:05,044 --> 00:09:06,712 WITH SUCH DEBT TO PAY FOR COLLEGE. 188 00:09:06,812 --> 00:09:08,047 WHAT'S THE ANSWER? 189 00:09:08,147 --> 00:09:10,683 >> WELL, I CERTAINLY THINK ONE OPTION IS 190 00:09:10,783 --> 00:09:13,052 FOR STUDENTS NOT TO THINK THEY HAVE TO GO TO THE CADILLAC 191 00:09:13,152 --> 00:09:16,822 COLLEGES OF THEY CAN BEGIN THEIR EDUCATION AT A NOON 192 00:09:16,923 --> 00:09:19,959 COLLEGE WAS A LOT CHEAPER, IT CERTAINLY WON'T REQUIRE THE 193 00:09:20,059 --> 00:09:24,163 MARKET TO OF OF THEIR LIVES, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US PUT A HECK 194 00:09:24,263 --> 00:09:27,800 OF A LOT MORE EMPHASIS ON ENCOURAGING STUDENTS ALSO TO 195 00:09:27,900 --> 00:09:31,003 RECOGNIZE THAT THEY CAN WORK WHILE THEY GO TO SCHOOL SOME OF 196 00:09:31,103 --> 00:09:35,107 US DID DO THAT AND OF COURSE OF NOT HAVE TO BORROW MONEY TO PAY 197 00:09:35,207 --> 00:09:37,543 THE TUITION. SO I THINK THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OPTIONS THAT 198 00:09:37,643 --> 00:09:40,880 ARE AVAILABLE BUT SOMEHOW STUDENTS FEEL THAT THEY HAVE TO 199 00:09:40,980 --> 00:09:43,616 BE IN THE TOP INSTITUTIONS AND IN SO DOING IT'S GOING TO COST 200 00:09:43,716 --> 00:09:45,918 A LOT. 201 00:09:46,018 --> 00:09:48,387 >> NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. DON CURTIS WILL ATTEST TO WORK FULL 202 00:09:48,487 --> 00:09:52,491 TIME AT WPTF WHILE GOING TO NC STATE, MY TUITION WAS $365 A 203 00:09:52,592 --> 00:09:57,563 SEMESTER IN THE EARLY 80'S, ROB, HOW DO THE CHILDREN HOW TO 204 00:09:57,663 --> 00:10:00,366 THE MILLENNIALS DEAL WITH THIS RISING COST OF COLLEGE 205 00:10:00,466 --> 00:10:01,367 EDUCATION? 206 00:10:01,467 --> 00:10:03,135 >> MY TUITION WAS $100. 207 00:10:03,235 --> 00:10:06,339 A TRIMESTER AT UCLA BACK IN THE LATE 70'S AND EARLY 208 00:10:06,439 --> 00:10:09,275 1980'S. I MEAN THAT BESPEAKS THE FACT THAT WE'VE JUST 209 00:10:09,375 --> 00:10:11,944 INVESTED IN HIGH THEIR EDUCATION, WE'RE NOT MAKING IT 210 00:10:12,044 --> 00:10:14,380 AS AFFORDABLE AS IT SHOULD BE OUR CONSTITUTION SAYS IS FREE 211 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,983 AS PRACTICABLE I MEAN I THINK THAT'S AN INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT 212 00:10:17,083 --> 00:10:19,986 ISSUE THERE'S ALSO THE ISSUE THAT A LOT OF THESE LOANS THAT 213 00:10:20,086 --> 00:10:22,355 KIDS HAVE GOTTEN THEMSELVES INTO NOT EVERYBODY'S GOT A LOW 214 00:10:22,455 --> 00:10:25,191 COST FEDERAL GOVERNMENT GUARANTEE LONG LOT OF KIDS GET 215 00:10:25,291 --> 00:10:28,294 INTO HIGH INTEREST CREDIT CARDS, PREDATORY LOANS AND LOAN 216 00:10:28,394 --> 00:10:31,097 SERVICERS WHO WORK ON BEHALF OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OFTEN 217 00:10:31,197 --> 00:10:34,166 EMPLOYED PREDATORY TACTICS, I MEAN THIS IS A HUGE CRISIS IN 218 00:10:34,266 --> 00:10:36,035 OUR COUNTRY AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE REASON THE 219 00:10:36,135 --> 00:10:40,406 CANDIDATES THAT ARE PUSHING THE IDEA OF AFFORDABLE FREE PUBLIC 220 00:10:40,506 --> 00:10:43,275 HIGHER EDUCATION AS THEY HAVE IN WESTERN EUROPE IN SO MANY 221 00:10:43,376 --> 00:10:45,878 COUNTRIES ARE GOING TO BE MET WITH A LOT OF SUPPORT I THINK 222 00:10:45,978 --> 00:10:47,313 IT'S THE DIRECTION WE NEED TO GO. 223 00:10:47,413 --> 00:10:50,282 >> JOHN LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS FOR US MAGAZINE SAYS THE 224 00:10:50,383 --> 00:10:53,686 AVERAGE STUDENT LOAN DEBT IN THE STATE AND WORK ON US 26,000 225 00:10:53,786 --> 00:10:58,057 $614 THE AVERAGE NATIONAL AVERAGE THE NATIONAL AVERAGE 226 00:10:58,157 --> 00:11:04,697 33,310 THAT'S A MONTHLY LOAN PAYMENT OF $393 A MONTH. 227 00:11:04,797 --> 00:11:07,133 >> YEAH, THAT THESE ARE LARGE NUMBERS TO WISH A NORTH 228 00:11:07,233 --> 00:11:10,102 CAROLINA HAS INCREASED SUBSTANTIALLY OVER TIME IT IS 229 00:11:10,202 --> 00:11:13,105 STILL VERY LOW BY NATIONAL STANDARDS, IT'S ONE OF THE MOST 230 00:11:13,205 --> 00:11:16,075 GENEROUSLY FUNDED UNIVERSITY SYSTEMS IN THE COUNTRY. IT 231 00:11:16,175 --> 00:11:22,114 CONTINUES TO BE SO I THINK THAT THE THE FOCUS ON WHICH GROUP OF 232 00:11:22,214 --> 00:11:25,651 PEOPLE PAYS THE BILL SHOULD THE TAXPAYERS SHOULD BE PARENTS AND 233 00:11:25,751 --> 00:11:28,387 THEIR IN THEIR STATE SHOULD BE STUDENTS LATER LIFE PAY BACK 234 00:11:28,487 --> 00:11:30,790 LOANS THAT'S AN IMPORTANT QUESTION IT'S NOT THE MOST 235 00:11:30,890 --> 00:11:33,559 BORING QUESTION. MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE COST OF 236 00:11:33,659 --> 00:11:37,329 EDUCATION, NOT WHO PAYS IT THAT'S THE PRICE QUESTION AND I 237 00:11:37,430 --> 00:11:40,032 THINK THAT WE NEED TO BE FOCUSING ON IS DELIVERING AID 238 00:11:40,132 --> 00:11:42,735 AND HOWARD WAS TALK ABOUT THIS IN THE CONTEXT OF COMMUNITY 239 00:11:42,835 --> 00:11:45,538 COLLEGE VERSUS A FOUR-YEAR SCHOOL TO START WITH BUT IT 240 00:11:45,638 --> 00:11:49,041 GOES BEYOND THAT JUST DIFFERENT WAYS TO DELIVER THE SERVICES SO 241 00:11:49,141 --> 00:11:52,645 THEY ARE MORE AFFORDABLE SIMPLY SHIFTING THIS TIME BILL AROUND 242 00:11:52,745 --> 00:11:53,913 IS NOT THE ANSWER. 243 00:11:54,013 --> 00:11:57,116 >> BECKI, COLLEGE DEBTS, A NATIONAL ISSUE ON THE ECONOMY 244 00:11:57,216 --> 00:12:03,923 FRONT ONLY ECONOMIC FRONT. A 1.5 $7 TRILLION 5.1 MILLION 245 00:12:04,023 --> 00:12:08,594 BORROWERS AND ONE 3RD OF THOSE LOANS RIGHT NOW ARE PASS TO 60 246 00:12:08,694 --> 00:12:10,096 DAYS. 247 00:12:10,196 --> 00:12:11,497 >> YEAH, I MEAN THIS IS A IT'S A NORTH CAROLINA PROBLEM AND 248 00:12:11,597 --> 00:12:15,801 IT'S A NATIONAL PROBLEM IS YOU DESCRIBE I READ THAT UM STUDENT 249 00:12:15,901 --> 00:12:19,071 LOAN IS SECOND ONLY TO MORTGAGE LINES. I THINK NOW SO IT'S A 250 00:12:19,171 --> 00:12:21,006 BIG DEAL. BUT THE THING THAT I THINK IS MISSING IN THIS 251 00:12:21,107 --> 00:12:23,909 DISCUSSION IN MANY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS IS HIM FRED, YOU 252 00:12:24,009 --> 00:12:27,580 INTRODUCED THIS IS THE WE HAVE SADDLED THE STUDENTS WITH THIS 253 00:12:27,680 --> 00:12:31,484 DEBT WE HAVEN'T SETTLED IN THE BODY WITH DEBT. THOSE PEOPLE 254 00:12:31,584 --> 00:12:34,620 HAVE MADE DECISIONS STATEMENTS THEIR FAMILIES, YOU KNOW 255 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,190 WHATEVER CIRCUMSTANCES THINK THE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY 256 00:12:38,290 --> 00:12:41,127 PIECE OF THIS AND NOW LOOKING FOR WAYS TO MAKE COLLEGE MORE 257 00:12:41,227 --> 00:12:43,662 AFFORDABLE LIKE WE'VE DONE IN NORTH CAROLINA AND I THINK 258 00:12:43,763 --> 00:12:46,198 WE'VE DONE A FABULOUS JOB WITH OUR NORTH CAROLINA PROMISE 259 00:12:46,298 --> 00:12:50,369 WHERE TUITION IS $500 AT 3 OF OUR UNIVERSITIES MAKING 260 00:12:50,469 --> 00:12:54,106 COMMUNITY COLLEGE IS AN OPTION TO BEGIN STUDENTS STOP AND THEN 261 00:12:54,206 --> 00:12:56,375 THE OTHER THING THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY IS GOING TO REQUIRE 262 00:12:56,475 --> 00:12:58,644 FINANCIAL LITERACY AS PART OF THE CURRICULUM IN NORTH 263 00:12:58,744 --> 00:13:02,882 CAROLINA HIGH SCHOOLS, JOHN IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT SAID 264 00:13:02,982 --> 00:13:05,184 THAT PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THEY'RE WALKING INTO. 265 00:13:05,284 --> 00:13:08,521 >> VALUE IS REALLY IMPORTANT YOU'RE CORRECT. THEY MADE THE 266 00:13:08,621 --> 00:13:12,424 CONSUMER MADE THE DECISION ON WHAT CHOICE THEY WERE GOING TO 267 00:13:12,525 --> 00:13:14,026 PROCEED WITH. 268 00:13:14,126 --> 00:13:16,529 PROTESTERS WERE OUTSIDE THE EXECUTIVE MANSION IN RALEIGH 269 00:13:16,629 --> 00:13:18,764 THIS WEEK DEMANDING THE GOVERNOR GET INVOLVED IN RECENT 270 00:13:18,864 --> 00:13:21,667 POLICE SHOOTING INCIDENTS IN CHARLOTTE AND RALEIGH LAST WEEK 271 00:13:21,767 --> 00:13:24,103 CITIZEN STORM AROUND THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING SHUTTING IT 272 00:13:24,203 --> 00:13:28,240 DOWN DEMANDING A CITIZEN REVIEW PANEL IN CHARLOTTE WBTV HAD TO 273 00:13:28,340 --> 00:13:31,343 SUE THE CITY TO GET ACCESS TO A VIDEO OF A POLICE SHOOTING. 274 00:13:31,443 --> 00:13:35,014 EARLIER IN THE MONTH WE'RE HEARING MORE AND MORE CALLS FOR 275 00:13:35,114 --> 00:13:38,350 CITIZEN REVIEW AND OVERSIGHT PANELS AT THE LOCAL LEVEL. 276 00:13:38,450 --> 00:13:41,620 WILL WE POLICE THE POLICE? QUESTION ONE TO ROB, WHY DO 277 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:43,289 LOCAL GOVERNMENTS OPPOSE HAVING 278 00:13:43,389 --> 00:13:44,957 A CITIZEN POLICE OVERSIGHT PANEL. 279 00:13:45,057 --> 00:13:46,792 >> WELL, I MEAN THERE WAS A STORY IN RALEIGH NEWS AND 280 00:13:46,892 --> 00:13:49,461 OBSERVER THIS WEEK THAT HIGHLIGHTED WHY THEY DON'T LIKE 281 00:13:49,562 --> 00:13:51,897 THE IDEA OF OVERSIGHT, IT'S IT'S NATURAL WHO WANTS TO HAVE 282 00:13:51,997 --> 00:13:53,766 SOMEBODY LOOKING OVER YOUR SHOULDER SECOND GUESSING THE 283 00:13:53,866 --> 00:13:58,237 WORK YOU DO ESPECIALLY IN SUCH AN IMPORT AREA, BUT THE REALITY 284 00:13:58,337 --> 00:14:01,407 IS THAT WE HAVE TO THIS IS AN AREA IN WHICH I MEAN PEOPLE ARE 285 00:14:01,507 --> 00:14:03,843 MAKING LIFE AND DEATH DECISIONS, WE KNOW THAT YOUNG 286 00:14:03,943 --> 00:14:06,712 MEN PARTICULARLY YOUNG MEN OF COLOR ARE BEING KILLED IN THE 287 00:14:06,812 --> 00:14:10,583 STATE IN THIS COUNTRY AND ITS UNDERSTANDABLE THAT COMMUNITIES 288 00:14:10,683 --> 00:14:13,219 FEEL WRONGED AND THEY WANT TO HAVE AN EXPLANATION OF WHAT THE 289 00:14:13,319 --> 00:14:16,755 HECK'S GOING ON WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE CITIZEN REVIEW PANELS 290 00:14:16,856 --> 00:14:19,091 FOR MAYBE 200 POLICE DEPARTMENTS AROUND THE COUNTRY, 291 00:14:19,191 --> 00:14:20,759 NOT VERY MANY OF THE THOUSANDS THAT THERE ARE AND HAVE BEEN 292 00:14:20,860 --> 00:14:23,996 MIXED REVIEWS AS TO HOW SUCCESSFUL THEY ARE SOME PEOPLE 293 00:14:24,096 --> 00:14:26,765 SAY WE BE DO WE DO BETTER WITH AN INDEPENDENT INSPECTOR 294 00:14:26,866 --> 00:14:30,536 GENERAL IN SOME INSTANCES THAN HAVING A POLITICAL BODY BUT THE 295 00:14:30,636 --> 00:14:32,905 BOTTOM LINE IS WE'VE. IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SUCCESSFUL 296 00:14:33,005 --> 00:14:35,307 POLICING THE POLICE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO GET ALONG WITH THE 297 00:14:35,407 --> 00:14:37,476 COMMUNITY THEY HAVE TO HAVE FAITH IN EACH OTHER IS NOT TO 298 00:14:37,576 --> 00:14:40,913 BE AN ADVERSARIAL RELATIONSHIP AND THESE KINDS OF PANELS CAN 299 00:14:41,013 --> 00:14:42,381 PLAY A ROLE IN MAKING THAT HAPPEN. 300 00:14:42,481 --> 00:14:45,050 >> JOHN IN NASH COUNTY, THE SHERIFF DOWN THERE KEYSTONE'S 301 00:14:45,150 --> 00:14:47,953 ACTUALLY PUT TOGETHER CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND HAS BEEN 302 00:14:48,053 --> 00:14:49,421 VERY SUCCESSFUL. 303 00:14:49,521 --> 00:14:50,756 CAN WE REPLICATE THAT MODEL? 304 00:14:50,856 --> 00:14:52,491 >> I THINK YOU CAN REPLICATE IT IF 305 00:14:52,591 --> 00:14:54,960 YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT ROB WAS GETTING AT 306 00:14:55,060 --> 00:14:57,496 REGARDING THE THE DIFFERENT PERFORMANCE OF DIFFERENT MODELS 307 00:14:57,596 --> 00:15:00,733 ACROSS THE COUNTRY. WE SIMPLY COULDN'T CONCLUDE FOR WHAT WE 308 00:15:00,833 --> 00:15:03,969 KNOW RIGHT NOW ACROSS THE COUNTRY AT LEAST THAT THESE 309 00:15:04,069 --> 00:15:06,839 REVIEW COMMISSIONS NECESSARILY MAKE THINGS BETTER SOMETIMES 310 00:15:06,939 --> 00:15:09,575 THEY DO SOMETIMES MAKE THEM WORSE BECAUSE IT CREATES 311 00:15:09,675 --> 00:15:12,444 ADDITIONAL ACRIMONY MAKES IT HARDER FOR THE RELATIONSHIPS TO 312 00:15:12,544 --> 00:15:15,047 BE DEVELOPED. I THINK WHAT'S HAPPENED IN ASHE COUNTY IS A 313 00:15:15,147 --> 00:15:17,883 MORE CONSTRUCTIVE APPROACH WHERE YOU REALLY ARE INVOLVING 314 00:15:17,983 --> 00:15:21,387 THE COMMUNITY. BUT YOU'RE NOT SUGGESTING THAT POLICE OFFICERS 315 00:15:21,487 --> 00:15:24,723 ARE GOING TO BE A TREATED IN A WAY THAT THEY WOULD FEEL IS 316 00:15:24,823 --> 00:15:27,960 GROSSLY UNFAIR THAT'S NOT GOING TO HELP ANYBODY BECAUSE POLICE 317 00:15:28,060 --> 00:15:32,264 OFFICERS WALK INTO HARM'S WAY RIGHT ROUTINELY. AND OF COURSE 318 00:15:32,364 --> 00:15:34,333 THAT WHEN THEY MAKE MISTAKES HAVE TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR 319 00:15:34,433 --> 00:15:38,170 THAT THEY NEED TO KNOW THAT ON THE WHOLE WE HAVE THEIR BACK 320 00:15:38,270 --> 00:15:41,507 THEY WERE NOT THAT THAT POLICE OFFICERS ARE IN A SITUATION 321 00:15:41,607 --> 00:15:44,877 WHERE THEY ARE SO SCARED OF WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN THAT THEY 322 00:15:44,977 --> 00:15:48,547 ACTUALLY PUT PEOPLE'S LIVES AT RISK WHICH IS A REAL DANGER. 323 00:15:48,647 --> 00:15:50,983 >> HOWARD, WHAT ROLE DOES THE GOVERNOR PLAY IN 324 00:15:51,083 --> 00:15:52,818 THIS THERE WERE PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF THE MOUNTAIN 325 00:15:52,918 --> 00:15:55,521 TWICE IN THE LAST WEEK JUST RAISE AND 326 00:15:55,621 --> 00:15:57,423 ALL TYPES OF SAND. 327 00:15:57,523 --> 00:15:59,258 WE NEED TO HEAR THE GOVERNOR'S VOICE HERE? 328 00:15:59,358 --> 00:16:03,595 >> WELL, I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. THIS IS A 329 00:16:03,696 --> 00:16:06,799 LOCAL DECISION BASICALLY IT'S A WOMAN ON THE COMMUNITY TO ADOPT 330 00:16:06,899 --> 00:16:10,803 THUS THIS PROCESS. I WAS HEARING ABOUT THE CITIZEN 331 00:16:10,903 --> 00:16:14,206 REVIEW COMMISSIONS WHEN I WAS MAYOR OF CHAPEL HILL 50 YEARS 332 00:16:14,306 --> 00:16:17,609 AGO, SO THIS IS NOTHING NEW BUT THE THING THAT BOTHERS ME IS 333 00:16:17,710 --> 00:16:20,546 PEOPLE THINK THEY CAN SET UP THE CITIZEN REVIEW COMMISSION 334 00:16:20,646 --> 00:16:23,582 AND THEN THAT THAT SOLVES THE PROBLEM THAT DOES NOT SOLVE THE 335 00:16:23,682 --> 00:16:26,518 PROBLEM CITIZENS HAVE TO TAKE SOME RESPONSIBILITY TO THEM 336 00:16:26,618 --> 00:16:29,355 SALES. ON THE OTHER HAND POLICEMEN ARE BEING KILLED 337 00:16:29,455 --> 00:16:32,992 EVERY DAY BY PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY AND MANY OF THE 338 00:16:33,092 --> 00:16:36,528 CITIZEN KNOW WHO THESE THREATS AWE AND THEY WANT TO SAY TO TRY 339 00:16:36,628 --> 00:16:39,732 TO BRING YOU TO THE ATTENTION OF THE POLICE. THE PANEL I JUST 340 00:16:39,832 --> 00:16:43,669 THINK THAT THOUGH WE SEE THESE SIMPLE SOLUTIONS AND THINK THAT 341 00:16:43,769 --> 00:16:45,938 THIS WOULD BE THE ANSWER TO ALL OF OUR PROBLEMS AND THAT'S NOT 342 00:16:46,038 --> 00:16:47,206 THE CASE. 343 00:16:47,306 --> 00:16:49,441 >> BECKI IS THERE ANY ROOM FOR COMPROMISE HERE CAN WE GET 344 00:16:49,541 --> 00:16:50,776 THE MIDDLE GROUND. 345 00:16:50,876 --> 00:16:52,845 >> THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE A MINUTE SENATOR LEE YOU JUST 346 00:16:52,945 --> 00:16:55,214 SPOKE ABOUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME SORT OF 347 00:16:55,314 --> 00:16:58,083 COMPROMISE. THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME SORT OF MUTUAL TRUST ME IF 348 00:16:58,183 --> 00:17:00,986 THERE'S A CORE FUNCTION OF GOVERNMENT THAT I THINK WE CAN 349 00:17:01,086 --> 00:17:04,923 ALL AGREE ON IT'S PUBLIC SAFETY IS THAT CITIZENS HAVE TO HAVE 350 00:17:05,024 --> 00:17:08,460 THE CONFIDENCE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND LAW ENFORCEMENT 351 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:10,963 HAS TO HAVE THE CONFIDENCE IN ORDER TO GO INTO THOSE 352 00:17:11,063 --> 00:17:13,665 DANGEROUS SITUATIONS AND DO THEIR JOB SO I THINK WE'RE 353 00:17:13,766 --> 00:17:15,734 GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A COMPROMISE BECAUSE IT'S IN 354 00:17:15,834 --> 00:17:18,504 EVERYBODY'S BEST INTEREST TO DO WHAT WE DO DON'T WANT TO HAVE 355 00:17:18,604 --> 00:17:22,074 AS YOU ALLUDED TO SENATOR LEE IS A CHILLING EFFECT OF WHERE 356 00:17:22,174 --> 00:17:25,544 POLICE OFFICERS WOULD NOT GO INTO THOSE DANGEROUS SITUATIONS 357 00:17:25,644 --> 00:17:28,213 WHERE WE NEED FOR THEM TO BE TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THE 358 00:17:28,313 --> 00:17:29,948 COMMUNITIES AND AT THE SAME TIME WE WANT THE CITIZENS TO 359 00:17:30,049 --> 00:17:33,318 HAVE A VOICE AND THANKS SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND A 360 00:17:33,419 --> 00:17:35,988 COMPROMISE ON THIS, BUT I THINK IT COMES BACK TO LEADERSHIP AND 361 00:17:36,088 --> 00:17:39,124 THAT'S WHY I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHO IS SERVING AN THE 362 00:17:39,224 --> 00:17:42,628 POLICE CHIEF ROLES WHO ARE SERVING AS SHERIFFS ACROSS THE 363 00:17:42,728 --> 00:17:45,798 COUNTY ARE ACROSS THE STATE AND LAW ENFORCEMENT YOU MENTIONED 364 00:17:45,898 --> 00:17:48,100 THE GOVERNOR I THINK ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT NEED TO BE 365 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:49,334 INVOLVED IN THIS. 366 00:17:49,435 --> 00:17:51,303 >> ROB HOW IMPORTANT IS IT GOING TO BE DEESCALATION IN THE 367 00:17:51,403 --> 00:17:54,440 TRAINING - WHEN WE WERE TRAINING YOUNG LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS. 368 00:17:54,540 --> 00:17:55,774 DEESCALATION IS REALLY IMPORTANT. 369 00:17:55,874 --> 00:17:59,211 >> NO DOUBT ABOUT IT, I MEAN IT'S A IT'S AN INCREDIBLY 370 00:17:59,311 --> 00:18:02,114 DIFFICULT JOB WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT THE AND THE REALITY IS 371 00:18:02,214 --> 00:18:05,517 THAT IT WITH MODERN TECHNOLOGY WITH EVERYBODY HAVING A PHONE 372 00:18:05,617 --> 00:18:07,019 EVERYBODY HAVING A CAMERA PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE TAKEN 373 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:10,389 SECOND AND 3RD LOOK JUST LIKE SPORTS WHERE REFEREES DON'T 374 00:18:10,489 --> 00:18:12,791 WANT TO HAVE SECOND LOOKS AT THEIR CALLS AND GAMES. BUT THE 375 00:18:12,891 --> 00:18:15,194 REALITY WE'RE NOT GOING GET AWAY FROM THAT SO THERE'S GOING 376 00:18:15,294 --> 00:18:17,162 TO HAVE TO BE OVERSIGHT AND YES, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO 377 00:18:17,262 --> 00:18:19,531 TEACH OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, THE REALITY OF 378 00:18:19,631 --> 00:18:23,001 GETTING ALONG WITH THE COMMUNITY. IT MAKES THEIR OF 379 00:18:23,102 --> 00:18:25,904 THEIR MAKE THEM SAFER MAKES THE COMMUNITY SAFER, IT'S A 380 00:18:26,004 --> 00:18:27,673 DIFFICULT TASK TO PULL OFF. 381 00:18:27,773 --> 00:18:29,341 >> SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FOLLOW FOR SURE. 382 00:18:29,441 --> 00:18:30,676 MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND 383 00:18:30,776 --> 00:18:33,612 USUALLY SIGNIFIES THE START OF THE PEAK SEASON FOR 384 00:18:33,712 --> 00:18:36,682 TRAVEL AND TOURISM IN NORTH CAROLINA. OUR BEAUTIFUL BEACHES 385 00:18:36,782 --> 00:18:39,852 AND MAJESTIC MOUNTAINS ARE CLARIANT FOR THOSE SEEKING REST 386 00:18:39,952 --> 00:18:43,188 AND REFUGE. TRAVEL AND TOURISM IN NORTH CAROLINA IS BIG 387 00:18:43,288 --> 00:18:48,260 BUSINESS. IN 2017 MISTER SPENT NEARLY $24 BILLION THAT $65 388 00:18:48,360 --> 00:18:53,298 MILLION A DAY WITH ONE IN 50 RESIDENTS EMPLOYED DIRECTLY BY 389 00:18:53,398 --> 00:18:56,135 TRAVEL AND TOURISM QUESTION ONE THAT JOHN CLEARLY NORTH 390 00:18:56,235 --> 00:18:59,104 CAROLINA HAS A SUCCESSFUL RECORD. WHAT'S WORKING AND WHAT 391 00:18:59,204 --> 00:19:01,140 CAN WE IMPROVE WHERE WE HAVE. 392 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,176 >> NATURAL RESOURCES ASSETS THAT WOULD BE HARD TO MESS UP 393 00:19:04,276 --> 00:19:06,445 THOUGH SOMETIMES THEY CAN'T MESS TO ONE OF THINGS IS 394 00:19:06,545 --> 00:19:08,981 PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT AS I LOOKED INTO THE DATA ABOUT 395 00:19:09,081 --> 00:19:11,350 TRAVEL AND TOURISM OF COURSE NORTH CHINA'S NOT THAT 396 00:19:11,450 --> 00:19:13,585 DIFFERENT FROM MOST STATES WERE TRAVEL AND TOURISM IS NUMBER 397 00:19:13,685 --> 00:19:16,588 ONE NUMBER TO ANOTHER 3 BECAUSE OF HOW BROADLY THE CATEGORIES 398 00:19:16,688 --> 00:19:19,224 TO FIND BUT ONE OF THE THINGS NORTH CAROLINA HISTORICALLY 399 00:19:19,324 --> 00:19:21,660 DEAD. AND I THINK IT IN THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS HAS GOTTEN 400 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,730 BACK INTO THE HABIT. HE'S FOCUSING ON ROAD ACCESS. 401 00:19:24,830 --> 00:19:27,299 SOME OF THE TRANSFER SOME OF THE TRAVEL AND TOURISM INDUSTRY 402 00:19:27,399 --> 00:19:30,602 IS REALLY A DEPENDABLE HOW FAST CAN PEOPLE GET SOMEWHERE AND 403 00:19:30,702 --> 00:19:32,905 THEY SENT THAT WE'VE BEEN ADDING LANES RECENTLY WOULD 404 00:19:33,005 --> 00:19:35,707 HAVE SOME BYPASSES AROUND SOME THE MAJOR CITIES THAT DOES 405 00:19:35,807 --> 00:19:38,443 FACILITATE THE KIND OF TRAVEL AND TOURISM THAT IS 406 00:19:38,544 --> 00:19:41,813 PARTICULARLY DEPENDENT UPON AUTOMOBILE TRAFFIC. 407 00:19:41,914 --> 00:19:47,152 >> THE TRAVEL AND TOURISM TAX REVENUE MEANS OF $512 SAVINGS 408 00:19:47,252 --> 00:19:50,656 PER FAMILY IN THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA CAN WE GO OUT 409 00:19:50,756 --> 00:19:52,758 THE INDUSTRY AND EVEN SAY MORE. 410 00:19:52,858 --> 00:19:55,627 >> OH ABSOLUTELY I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE STATE HAVE A 411 00:19:55,727 --> 00:19:59,364 ROLE IN THIS IN PROMOTING TOURISM ON IF YOU HAVEN'T GO TO 412 00:19:59,464 --> 00:20:02,901 VISIT IN SEE WEBSITE. THERE'S UP JUST A WEALTH OF INFORMATION 413 00:20:03,001 --> 00:20:06,872 ON THERE. OUR TOURISM DOLLARS HAVE INCREASED EVERY YEAR FROM 414 00:20:06,972 --> 00:20:09,775 ABOUT OWN HAVE PROBABLY AS LONG AS THEY'VE BEEN KEEPING RECORDS 415 00:20:09,875 --> 00:20:12,778 OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY ASKED THE PROGRAM EVALUATION DIVISION 416 00:20:12,878 --> 00:20:16,481 TO LOOK AT THAT TO DO A STUDY OF COMMERCE AND THE PRODUCT 417 00:20:16,582 --> 00:20:19,851 PUBLIC PARTNERSHIPS THAT WE HAVE AND THE PD REPORT CAME 418 00:20:19,952 --> 00:20:22,854 BACK WITH A COUPLE INTERESTING THINGS ONE ON 2 WOMEN AT SOME 419 00:20:22,955 --> 00:20:26,491 OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE COST AND THE TOURISM OFFICE IS THE 420 00:20:26,592 --> 00:20:29,228 ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS WERE DUPLICATED IN MANY CASES, 421 00:20:29,328 --> 00:20:32,397 YOU KNOW YOU COULD USE THOSE DOLLARS FOR SOMETHING ELSE AND 422 00:20:32,497 --> 00:20:35,334 THEN INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH THE FARM BILL THIS YEAR THAT IS 423 00:20:35,434 --> 00:20:39,404 JUST BEGINNING TO GET SOME ATTENTION IN THE SENATE WOULD 424 00:20:39,504 --> 00:20:44,810 ADD SPORTING SHOOTING SPORTS ON SPORTS. UNLIKE THANKS VISHING 425 00:20:44,910 --> 00:20:48,513 HUNTING AS PART OF AGRIBUSINESS AND FOCUSING ON THAT AS WELL 426 00:20:48,614 --> 00:20:50,682 WHICH I THINK THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AROUND THE COUNTRY IN A 427 00:20:50,782 --> 00:20:53,752 LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE TO DO THOSE KIND OF ACTIVITIES. I CARVE 428 00:20:53,852 --> 00:20:56,421 TROUT STREAMS WILL COMPETE WITH ANY IN THE COUNTRY WANT TO MAKE 429 00:20:56,521 --> 00:20:57,589 USE OF IT. 430 00:20:57,689 --> 00:20:59,925 >> ROB NATURAL RESOURCE, AN IMPORTANT PART OF OUR TRAVEL 431 00:21:00,025 --> 00:21:01,026 AND TOURISM INDUSTRY. 432 00:21:01,126 --> 00:21:02,794 >> WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT THIS ISSUE WITHOUT TALKING 433 00:21:02,894 --> 00:21:04,963 ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL CRISIS THAT OUR STATE IS IN THE MIDST 434 00:21:05,063 --> 00:21:06,932 OF SUMMER BEACHES ARE GOING TO BE UNDER WATER AND A FEW 435 00:21:07,032 --> 00:21:10,736 DECADES, I MEAN THIS IS A THIS IS AN EXISTENTIAL CRISIS WE 436 00:21:10,836 --> 00:21:13,805 FACE ENVIRONMENTALLY IT'S IT'S PREPOSTEROUS TO TALK ABOUT OUR 437 00:21:13,905 --> 00:21:16,074 BEACHES ARE MOUNTAINS THE DEFORESTATION THAT'S GOING ON 438 00:21:16,174 --> 00:21:18,577 THERE TALK ABOUT THE POISONING OF OUR WATERS IN THE STATE 439 00:21:18,677 --> 00:21:21,380 THAT'S GOING ON WE'VE GOT TO GET A FOCUS ON THAT OR THERE 440 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:22,881 ISN'T GOING TO BE A TRAVEL AND TOURISM INDUSTRY.. 441 00:21:22,981 --> 00:21:26,551 >> SENATOR YOU REALLY - A SECRETARY BACK IN JIM 442 00:21:26,652 --> 00:21:29,554 HUNT'S FIRST ADMINISTRATION REALLY PUT OUR STATE PARKS ON 443 00:21:29,655 --> 00:21:30,889 THE MAP. 444 00:21:30,989 --> 00:21:33,458 >> ABSOLUTELY AND I THINK ONE THING WE CAN BE VERY PROUD OF 445 00:21:33,558 --> 00:21:36,161 IS THAT WE DO HAVE A GREAT VARIETY OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR 446 00:21:36,261 --> 00:21:39,264 PEOPLE TO COME AND ENJOY OF THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA 447 00:21:39,364 --> 00:21:41,800 TRAVELING HERE THIS MORNING ON INTERSTATE 40 I DIDN'T FEEL WE 448 00:21:41,900 --> 00:21:44,636 HAVE A SHORTAGE OF TOURISM GOES IN THE 5TH IN TRAFFIC WAS 449 00:21:44,736 --> 00:21:47,873 REALLY A HORRENDOUS BUT I THINK THAT'S WONDERFUL. BUT LOOK AT 450 00:21:47,973 --> 00:21:50,776 ALL OF THE RESOURCES. WE HAVE THAT AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE TO 451 00:21:50,876 --> 00:21:54,846 COME AND VISIT AND SEE, BUT I THINK ROB IS CORRECT AS WELL WE 452 00:21:54,946 --> 00:21:59,685 DO REALLY NEED TO BE VIGILANT. PROTECTING OUR ENVIRONMENT I 453 00:21:59,785 --> 00:22:02,654 HAD THAT PROBLEM WHEN I WAS SECRETARY OF NATURAL RESOURCES 454 00:22:02,754 --> 00:22:05,123 TRYING TO PROTECT MANY OF THE STREAMS BECAUSE WE WOULD 455 00:22:05,223 --> 00:22:08,393 DUMPING POISON INTO THE INTO THE WATERS. I THINK THE STATE 456 00:22:08,493 --> 00:22:11,029 HAS SHOWN REMARKABLE PROGRESS IN TRYING TO TACKLE THE 457 00:22:11,129 --> 00:22:12,297 PROBLEM. 458 00:22:12,397 --> 00:22:15,467 >> AND JUST THIS WEEK WE HAD NEWS REPORTS ABOUT CONCERNS 459 00:22:15,567 --> 00:22:19,338 ABOUT SOME OF THE FISHERIES IN THE NEUSE RIVER. CLEARLY, 460 00:22:19,438 --> 00:22:22,607 37 MILLION TRAVELERS ON THE ROADS THIS WEEKEND. SO IT'S 461 00:22:22,708 --> 00:22:26,678 GOING TO BE A BUSY TRAVEL AND TOURISM WEEKEND FOR SURE WE'RE 462 00:22:26,778 --> 00:22:29,514 ON PEOPLE TO BE SAFE OUT THERE ON THE ROADS. NOW IT'S TIME FOR 463 00:22:29,614 --> 00:22:31,016 THE SHOW TO FOR OUR PANELISTS 464 00:22:31,116 --> 00:22:33,151 TO TELL US SOMETHING WE DON'T KNOW 465 00:22:33,251 --> 00:22:35,120 I'LL START WITH SENATOR LEE. 466 00:22:35,220 --> 00:22:38,256 >> WELL, 50 YEARS AGO, I GOT ELECTED. MAYOR OF CHAPEL HILL 467 00:22:38,357 --> 00:22:42,127 WHICH WAS A PROUD MOMENT MY LIFE, BUT I'M THE POINT I WANT 468 00:22:42,227 --> 00:22:44,930 TO MAKE IS THAT I WAS INVITED BACK MY ALMA MATER ONE OF THOSE 469 00:22:45,030 --> 00:22:49,000 CHEAP COLLEGES IN SOUTH GEORGIA. AND THEY HONORED ME 470 00:22:49,101 --> 00:22:52,637 WITH NAMING ARE OWED HIM OUT ON A AND I'VE NEVER SEEN MY NAME 471 00:22:52,738 --> 00:22:55,574 ON A ROAD SIGN BEFORE. THAT WAS QUITE GRATIFYING.. 472 00:22:55,674 --> 00:22:58,744 >> CONGRATULATIONS. JOHN, TELL US SOMETHING WE DON'T KNOW.. 473 00:22:58,844 --> 00:23:01,480 >> THE MOST RECENT CIVITAS POLL ASKED A COUPLE OF 474 00:23:01,580 --> 00:23:04,516 INTERESTING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LONG-RUNNING ROBERT MULLER 475 00:23:04,616 --> 00:23:07,519 INVESTIGATION ON THE ONE HAND MOST NORTH CAROLINA VOTERS, 476 00:23:07,619 --> 00:23:12,090 A PLURALITY AT LEAST. WORD SAYS SHOWED APPROVAL OF ROBERT 477 00:23:12,190 --> 00:23:15,427 MUELLER'S PERFORMANCE ISN'T ABOUT COUNCIL ROLE, BUT ALSO 478 00:23:15,527 --> 00:23:18,797 PROUD IN NORTH CAROLINA NORTH CAROLINIANS THINK THAT IT GOT 479 00:23:18,897 --> 00:23:21,133 TOO MUCH ATTENTION THAT THE ISSUE HAS GOTTEN TOO MUCH NEWS 480 00:23:21,233 --> 00:23:23,935 MEDIA COVERAGE OF LAST 2 YEARS. THAT'S INTERESTING 481 00:23:24,035 --> 00:23:27,773 JUXTAPOSITION OF OF BELIEFS, BUT I THINK NOT NECESSARILY 482 00:23:27,873 --> 00:23:28,940 INCONSISTENT. 483 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:30,609 >> ROB TELL US SOMETHING WE DON'T KNOW. 484 00:23:30,709 --> 00:23:32,110 >> IT'S MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND. 485 00:23:32,210 --> 00:23:34,946 10'S OF THOUSANDS OF OF NORTH CAROLINA VETERANS 486 00:23:35,046 --> 00:23:37,849 DESPITE BECAUSE WE HAVE THE BENEFITS FOR MOST VETERANS, 487 00:23:37,949 --> 00:23:40,619 BUT 10'S OF THOUSANDS ARE STILL IN THE COVERAGE GAP IF WE WOULD 488 00:23:40,719 --> 00:23:43,555 EXPAND MEDICAID COVERAGE IN THE STATE HAS BEEN DONE IN 30 PLUS 489 00:23:43,655 --> 00:23:46,291 STATES AROUND THE COUNTRY THEY AND THEIR FAMILIES COULD GET 490 00:23:46,391 --> 00:23:49,060 HEALTH CARE AND THEY HAD MUCH BETTER RESULTS FOR VETERANS IN 491 00:23:49,161 --> 00:23:50,662 THESE OTHER STATES WHERE THEY'VE TAKEN THAT STEP IT'S 492 00:23:50,762 --> 00:23:52,597 SOMETHING WE OUGHT TO DO IN NORTH CAROLINA. 493 00:23:52,697 --> 00:23:53,665 >> BECKI? 494 00:23:53,765 --> 00:23:55,901 >> A BILL MOVING THROUGH THE SENATE THIS WEEK IS 495 00:23:56,001 --> 00:24:01,039 THE REGULATORY REFORM ACT OF 2019 WHEN REPUBLICANS TOOK 496 00:24:01,139 --> 00:24:04,176 OVER THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY IN 2011 SENATOR BERGER INTRODUCED 497 00:24:04,276 --> 00:24:07,446 THE REGULATORY REFORM ACT OF 2011 AND SAID THERE WOULD BE 498 00:24:07,546 --> 00:24:11,383 ONE EVERY SINGLE YEAR UNTIL REGULATIONS WERE OFF THE BACKS 499 00:24:11,483 --> 00:24:14,719 OF GOVERNMENT AND OUR GOVERNMENT WAS OFF THE BACKS OF 500 00:24:14,820 --> 00:24:17,222 BUSINESSES AND PEOPLE ACROSS NORTH CAROLINA HE'S MADE GOOD 501 00:24:17,322 --> 00:24:21,092 ON THAT AND THIS LATEST BILL CAME UP REGULATIONS HAVE A COST 502 00:24:21,193 --> 00:24:23,595 AND GETTING RID OF THEM AND LOOSENING THOSE IS 503 00:24:23,695 --> 00:24:24,830 THE THING TO DO. 504 00:24:24,930 --> 00:24:27,632 >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. ONE CLOSING COMMENT, WE WOULD 505 00:24:27,732 --> 00:24:30,836 LIKE TO EXTEND OUR SYMPATHIES TO THE FAMILIES OF LONGTIME 506 00:24:30,936 --> 00:24:33,872 ORANGE COUNTY SHERIFF LINDY PENDERGRASS AND FORMER DUNN 507 00:24:33,972 --> 00:24:35,540 MAYOR IN HARNETT COUNTY COMMISSIONER, 508 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,410 ABE ELMORE WHO BOTH PASSED AWAY THIS WEEK 509 00:24:38,510 --> 00:24:40,612 BOTH MEN TRUE PUBLIC SERVANTS AND ALWAYS 510 00:24:40,712 --> 00:24:43,849 LOYAL TO THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA, WE EXTEND HEARTFELT, 511 00:24:43,949 --> 00:24:47,185 THANKS FOR THEIR SERVICE. 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