>> THIS IS AN NC SPIN AND
UNREHEARSED DISCUSSION
ON ISSUES OF INTEREST
TO NORTH CAROLINIANS.
NOW HERE IS YOUR
MODERATOR TOM CAMPBELL.
>> IT'S BEEN ANOTHER
INTERESTING WEEK IN THE
TAR HEEL STATE.
WE OBSERVED THE MARTIN
LUTHER KING HOLIDAY, HAD
PARADES AND DEMONSTRATIONS
IN FREEZING COLD
TEMPERATURES, STAYED UP
LATE FOR THE BLOOD MOON
ECLIPSE AND SAW HEATED
ARGUMENTS BETWEEN
REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS
OVER THE 9TH CONGRESSIONAL
ELECTION OUTCOME.
THE PACE PICKED UP ON
JONES STREET AS WE READY
FOR THE NEW LEGISLATIVE
SESSION THAT BEGINS NEXT
WEDNESDAY, AND WE WANT OUR
PANEL TO COMMENT ON WHAT
WE CAN EXPECT.
PLUS WE ASK OUR ANALYSTS
TO TELL US SOMETHING WE
DON'T KNOW.
WE'VE GOT A GREAT PANEL
FOR YOU THIS WEEK.
THEY INCLUDE: BECKI GRAY, FROM
THE JOHN LOCKE FOUNDATION
JOHN HOOD, SYNDICATED
COLUMNIST AND AUTHOR
CHRIS FITZSIMON,
DIRECTOR OF THE NEWSROOM
AND ROB SCHOFIELD,
OF NC POLICY WATCH.
WE BEGIN OUR UNINTERRUPTED
DEBATE AFTER THESE BRIEF
MESSAGES FROM OUR
UNDERWRITERS.
>> THEY ARE UP BEFORE DAWN, AND
WORK LATE INTO THE NIGHT.
>> THEY BELIEVE IN HARD
WORK, FAMILY,
AND DOING THE RIGHT THING.
THEY STAND UP FOR
THEIR COMMUNITIES
WHEN OTHERS WALK AWAY.
THEY ARE GOOD PEOPLE WHO JUST
WANT A FAIR SHAKE.
THEY ARE FARMERS.
AT NORTH CAROLINA
FARM BUREAU.
WE ARE PROUD TO STAND
WITH OUR FARMERS.
>> TODAY'S TOOLS MAKE
YOUR REAL DIYER,
AND AS A MEMBER
OF AN ELECTRIC COOPERATIVE
YOU HAVE LOTS OF VALUABLE TOOLS
TO HELP YOU DO IT YOURSELF
IN CONTROLLING YOUR HOME
ENERGY USE AND BUDGET
LEAVING YOU FREE TO BE DAD.
>> 12,000 NORTH CAROLINA
VETERANS ARE UNINSURED
WITH NO OPTIONS TO BUY
HEALTH INSURANCE.
THEY FOUGHT FOR US, NOW LET'S
FIGHT FOR THEM.
LET'S CREATE A NORTH
CAROLINA SOLUTION
FOR COVERING THE UNINSURED.
TO LEARN MORE, VISIT:
>> PRODUCTION UNDERWRITING
PROVIDED BY:
FAMILY PHYSICIANS, YOUR TRUSTED
HEALTHCARE ADVISOR FOR LIFE.
LET'S GET STARTED.
IT WAS A MADE FOR TV MOMENT.
DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS FACING
OFF IN COURT OVER THE 9TH
CONGRESSIONAL
DISTRICT ELECTION.
REPUBLICANS CLAIMED THAT
CERTIFYING MARK HARRIS AS
WINNER HAD TAKEN FAR
LONGER THAN WAS PRESCRIBED
BY LAW.
DEMOCRATS SAID THE BOARD
OF ELECTIONS WAS CORRECT
IN NOT CERTIFYING A WINNER
BECAUSE OF CLEAR EVIDENCE
OF VOTING IRREGULARITIES
AND FRAUD.
ROB, JUDGE
PAUL RIDGEWAY HEARD THE
CASE AND RULED ALMOST
IMMEDIATELY IN DENYING
MARK HARRIS BE CERTIFIED
AS THE WINNER.
WERE YOU SURPRISED HE
RULED SO QUICKLY?
>> NO ACTUALLY IT WASN'T.
AND I THINK WHEN HE TOOK A LOOK
AT SIX HUNDRED
AND TWENTY EIGHT PAGES
THAT HAVE BEEN FILED WITH HIM
BY MARK HARRIS
I THINK I'M SURPRISED
HE DIDN'T JUST DISMISS
THE CASE THAT AT THAT POINT
BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT
TO READ 628 PAGES.
BUT SERIOUSLY THIS WAS
A THIS WAS A HAIL MARY.
BY MARK HARRIS IT WAS A FOURTH
IN 20 YARDS TO GO
AND I DON'T THINK HE OR
OR DALLAS WOODHOUSE OR TOM BRADY
I DON'T THINK
THEY HAD A SHOT HERE.
>> GO WORK THE SUPER BOWL.
>> IT WAS A BIG LONG SHOT.
I MEAN I DON'T THINK
ANYBODY EXPECTED TO RULE
IT MAYBE YOU KNOW MAYBE
HE WOULD HAVE TAKEN A DAY
I SUPPOSE YOU MIGHT HAVE
EXPECTED IT
BUT HE KNEW THE JUDGE KNEW
THAT THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS
IS COMING TOGETHER IN THE COMING
DAYS, IN A FEW DAYS IT WAS
GOING TO BE DECIDED BY THEN WHY
WOULDN'T HE HAND IT OFF.
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN
AN EXTRAORDINARY ACTION.
>> YOU CAN UNDERSTAND MARK
HARRIS
BEING ANXIOUS TO GO IN
AND GET THIS THING BEHIND HIM.
SO WHERE ARE WE RIGHT NOW BECKI.
>> WELL WE'RE SORT OF WAITING
WE'RE IN A WAITING PATTERN.
THE LAW THAT THE GENERAL
ASSEMBLY PASSED IN DECEMBER
SETS UP THE NEW STATE BOARD
OF ELECTIONS
TO TAKE OVER
ON JANUARY 30 FIRST.
WHAT WE EXPECT IS IN A COUPLE
OF WEEKS BEGINNING OF FEBRUARY
WE SHOULD HAVE
THE STATE BOARD OF ELECTIONS
IN PLACE LOOKING AT THIS.
IN THE MEANTIME THE EMPLOYEES
AND THE STAFF
AT THE STATE BOARD OF ELECTIONS
HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH A LOT
OF THIS INVESTIGATIVE DOCUMENTS
AND CATALOGING THINGS
AND YOU KNOW IT'S LIKE IT'S NOT
LIKE NOTHING HAS BEEN HAPPENING
BUT WE CAN'T TAKE ACTION ON IT
UNTIL THIS NEW BOARD
OF ELECTIONS IS SEATED.
>> ON THE OTHER HAND
THE REPUBLICANS
HAVE NOW NOMINATED PEOPLE
THAT IT APPEARS VIOLATE THE LAW
THAT'S GOING TO
GIVE ALLOW THEM TO BE HEARD.
>> SO THAT THROWS A WHOLE
NOTHER WRENCH INTO IT
AND IT'S SORT OF
THE LATEST EXAMPLE.
IT'S JUST IT'S INFURIATING
THAT WE KEEP PLAYING POLITICS
WITH THIS BOARD
AND NOT FOLLOWING THE LAW.
>> I WANT TO GET TO THAT
IN A SECOND.
BUT FOLLOWING UP ON THE POINT
THAT BECKI MADE.
SO WE'VE GOT
THE STATE BOARD OF ELECTIONS
DOING THEIR INVESTIGATIONS
AND AT THE SAME TIME
WAKE COUNTY D.A.
LAUREN FREEMAN HERSELF
IS INVESTIGATING ALL THIS.
ARE THESE TWO WORKING TOGETHER
OR ARE THEY SEPARATE.
WHAT'S THE PURPOSE
OF HAVING BOTH OF THEM.
>> WELL THEY'RE SEPARATE
MATTERS,
ACTUALLY, BECAUSE WHAT
THE STATE BOARD OF ELECTIONS
IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT
IS SHOULD THEY CERTIFY
OR SHOULD THEY NOT
CERTIFY SPECIFY
SPECIFYING THE REASONS WHY.
THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY THE D.A. JOB
THE D.A.
IS JOBS DETERMINE WHETHER CRIMES
HAVE BEEN COMMITTED
AND GO AFTER CRIMINALS
WHICH IS A DIFFERENT MATTER.
YOU COULD CERTIFY
AND ALSO GO AFTER PEOPLE
WHO'VE MISHANDLED BALLOTS
ARGUING THAT THERE AREN'T
ENOUGH MISHANDLED BALLOTS
TO TURN THE OUTCOME
OF THE ELECTION
OR COULD GO THE OTHER WAY.
YOU COULD END UP THROWING IT OUT
BUT THEY'RE NOT HAVE ENOUGH
EVIDENCE TO FILE
CRIMINAL CHARGES.
>> TALKING ABOUT
CRIMINAL CHARGES
ONE OF THE PERSONS OF INTEREST
IN ALL OF THIS IS A FELLOW MAN
IN BLATANT COUNTY
NAMED MCCRAY DALLAS
WHO IS BEEN CERTIFIED
AS A PERSON OF INTEREST
WHATEVER THAT MAY MEAN LEGALLY.
>> THE STATEMENT OF THE YEAR.
>> HOWEVER HE'S REFUSED
TO BE INTERVIEWED HERE.
CAN THEY SUBPOENA HIM?
>> OF COURSE THEY CAN
SUBPOENA HIM AND LAUREN FREEMAN
CAN SUBPOENA HIM
AND LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS
CAN INTERVIEW HIM, MCCRAY
DALLAS WILL TALK AT SOME POINT.
IT IS INTERESTING THAT WE CAN
NEVER HAVE SOMEBODY INVOLVED
IN THESE THINGS
IT HAS A NAME LIKE JIM SMITH.
>> I KNOW.
>> MCCRAY DALLAS ALONE OUGHT
TO BE A REASON TO INVESTIGATE.
>> WELL SPEAKING OF NAMES
WE'VE GOT JOSH MALCOLM
WHO WAS THE FORMER CHAIR
OF THE STATE BOARD OF ELECTIONS
WHO SAYS HE'S NOT GOING TO SERVE
AT ALL NOT AS CHAIR
NOT AS A MEMBER.
RIGHT NOW REPUBLICANS ACCUSE HIM
OF BEING TOO COZY
WITH SOME OF THE PEOPLE
DOWN THERE IN BLADEN COUNTY.
>> I THINK HE HAD SOME SPECIAL
KNOWLEDGE ABOUT WHAT GOES ON
IN BLADEN COUNTY
WAS ONE OF THE REASONS
HE WAS VERY CONCERNED
ABOUT THE THESE TERRIBLE RESULTS
THAT WERE GOING ON DOWN THERE
WITH THAT
WITH THE VOTE TAMPERING.
I MEAN DON'T YOU THINK
THE BOTTOM LINE HERE IS THAT
EVEN IF WE SOMEHOW MIRACULOUSLY
THAT THE BOARD CERTIFIED IT
WHICH I THINK
IS A REMARKABLE LONGSHOT
STILL CONGRESS
HAS TO SEAT THIS PERSON.
I FIND IT HARD TO IMAGINE
UNLESS THERE'S JUST
SOME REMARKABLE TURN OF EVENTS
AND WE GET A TOTALLY CLEAN SLATE
THAT THE PEOPLE RUNNING
THE UNITED STATES HOUSE
ARE GOING TO SAY
OK COME ON MARK.
WE'LL SEE. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE
YOU KNOW VERY LONG SHOT.
>> I USED TO THINK THAT ROB, BUT
WHAT I'VE BEEN HEARING
FROM FOLKS LATELY ABOUT
IS THERE ARE SOME DEMOCRAT
STENY HOYER WAS VERY EXPLICIT.
HE SAID YOU KNOW FORGET
IT WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THEM.
BUT OTHER DEMOCRATS
AND REPUBLICANS
BOTH ARE A LITTLE NERVOUS
ABOUT THE PRECEDENT.
AGAIN THIS IS A QUESTION --
>> OF INTERFERING WITH STATE
ELECTIONS
>> IF YOU HAD A CLEAR SENSE
THAT THERE WERE ENOUGH BALLOTS
IT COULD HAVE BEEN
CAST ILLEGALLY
OR THROWN AWAY
HAD ENOUGH EVIDENCE
THAT IT WOULD TURN
THE OUTCOME OF THE ELECTION.
THAT'S ONE THING.
BUT IF THEY END UP SAYING
WE'RE NOT QUITE SURE ABOUT
THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE
WE'RE GOING
TO REFUSE TO SEAT HIM ANYWAY
EVEN THOUGH THE STATE CORE
EVEN THOUGH THE STATE
HAS CERTIFIED HIM
THERE ARE SOME MEMBER INCUMBENT
MEMBERS OF THE U.S. HOUSE
IN BOTH PARTIES WHO MIGHT
BE NERVOUS ABOUT THAT.
>> OK. SO BECKI WE'VE GOT
A NEW STATE BOARD OF ELECTIONS
WHICH IS DUE TO BE SEATED
JANUARY 30 FIRST NEXT.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE
THREE MEMBERS
OF THE GOVERNOR'S PARTY
MEETING THREE DEMOCRATS
TWO MEMBERS
OF THE OPPOSITION PARTY
MEANING TWO
REPUBLICANS SO FAR AS IT GOES.
CHRIS RAISED THE POINT
ABOUT THIS
WHETHER THEY'RE ELIGIBLE OR NOT.
>> AND IN READING THE LAW
IT SAYS
THAT THEY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED
IN ELECTIONEERING
WITHIN THE PAST 48 MONTHS.
>> WHAT DOES
ELECTIONEERING MEAN?
>> THAT MEANS THAT YOU'VE WORKED
TO GET PEOPLE ELECTED
AND SO WHAT I THINK THEY WANT
IS PEOPLE
WHO HAVE NOT ACTIVELY WORKED IT
THROUGH THE ELECTION PROCESS
TO GET PEOPLE ELECTED
BUT TOM HERE'S A SUGGESTION.
SO THE BOARD NEEDS
TO BE FIVE PEOPLE.
THEY'RE HAVING A REALLY HARD
TIME FINDING QUALIFIED PEOPLE
AS CHRIS POINTED OUT.
YOU KNOW REPUBLICANS HAVE
PROBLEMS WITH THE DEMOCRATS.
DEMOCRATS HAVE PROBLEMS
WITH THE REPUBLICANS
THEY'VE GOT A FIVE MEMBER BOARD
THERE'S FIVE OF US
SITTING AROUND THIS TABLE.
>> BRING IT OVER HERE.
WE'LL GET MORE STRAIGHTENED OUT
BEFORE WE HEAD OVER.
WE HAVE SOLVED ONE OF
THE STATE'S NAGGING PROBLEMS.
>> AND NONE OF US HAS ENGAGED
IN ELECTIONEERING
IN THE LAST 48 HOURS.
>> 48 HOURS!
[LAUGHTER]
>> ALL RIGHT.
SO LET'S LOOK AT HIM.
>> OK. THE REPUBLICANS HAVE
NAMED FRANCIS DELUCA
FORMER HEAD OF
CIVITAS STACY EGGERS.
WHO WAS A BOONE ATTORNEY
AND A FORMER MEMBER
OF THE STATE BOARD OF ELECTIONS
BUCK NEWTON FROM WILSON
WHO IS A FORMER SENATOR
RAN FOR ATTORNEY GENERAL.
AND EDDIE WOODHOUSE
WHO'S A FORMER WHITE COUNTY
BOARD OF ELECTIONS MEMBER
BUT RAN FOR CITY COUNCIL
IN IN 2015.
DEMOCRATS SAY NONE OF THEM
ARE QUALIFIED.
[ALL TALKING]
>> EGGERS IS QUALIFIED.
>> WOODHOUSE WAS A CANDIDATE,
BUCK WAS A CANDIDATE
AND WORKED ON A CONSTITUTIONAL
AMENDMENT EFFORT.
FRANCIS OF COURSE THERE'S A C4
THAT CIVITAS HAS.
THAT DOES SOME SOME WORK
IN ELECTION CYCLES.
SO THAT'S THE ARGUMENT.
>> SO WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
ARE THEY RIGHT?
>> I THINK THEY ARE RIGHT
AND I THINK IT WOULD DO THEM
WELL TO COME UP
WITH SOME DIFFERENT NAMES.
MY GOODNESS.
ALL JOKING ASIDE
THERE ARE PLENTY OF QUALIFIED
PEOPLE WHO COULD BE FORTH
AND WE NEED TO POINT OUT THAT
ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE IN ADDITION
TO HAVING BEEN INVOLVED
IN ELECTIONEERING
ARE EXTREME PARTISANS.
THEY ARE NOT JUST RESPECTED
MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY
THEY ARE ALL VERY DEDICATED
POLITICAL POLITICIANS
IF YOU WILL
AND THAT WELL THAT'S NOT
WHO WE NEED TO HAVE ON THEM.
>> DON'T FORGET TOO, REPUBLICANS
HAVE SOME COMPLAINTS
WITH SOME OF THE IDEAS
THAT HAVE BEEN
GOING TO RUMINATED OR MENTIONED
BY THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY
SO, THIS IS NOT EASY.
THIS IS THIS IS ONE OF THOSE
HIGHLY PARTISAN THINGS.
>> THE LAW SAYS YOU CAN'T BE
INVOLVED IN ELECTIONEERING.
HALF THE PEOPLE OR MORE
THAT YOU KNOW
HAVE BEEN IN ELECTIONEERING.
>> AND AS ROB SAID THERE'S
PLENTY OF OTHER PEOPLE OUT THERE
SO I EXPECT REPUBLICAN NAMES.
>> THEY DON'T SEEM TO HAVE
ANY QUALMS
ABOUT THE SPECIFIC PEOPLE
THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY
NAMED SO MUCH AS THEY DO SAYING
THIS IS JUST ANOTHER EFFORT
BY GOVERNOR COOPER
TRYING TO STACK
THE ELECTION PROCESS.
>> THEY DID HAVE
SPECIFIC CONCERNS.
I DIDN'T HEAR THAT. WHO?
>> BUT AGAIN I WOULD SAY THAT
THE --
I SUSPECT THAT THAT RULE
THEY SIMPLY WEREN'T AWARE OF IT
OR MAYBE WEREN'T AWARE
OF THE TIME FRAME INVOLVED.
THEY HAVE AN ARGUMENT AGAINST IT
BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE SMARTER
FOR THEM TO JUST GO AHEAD
AND COME UP
WITH SOME DIFFERENT IDEAS.
>> ALL RIGHT. LET'S
PLAY WHAT IF.
OK WE GET THIS NEW
BOARD IN PLACE,
ASSUMING ALL FIVE OF US
ARE WILLING TO SERVE
AND ARE WILLING TO BE SWORN IN
INSTEAD OF SWORN AT.
WHICH WOULD BE SORT OF UNUSUAL.
WE GET THIS NEW BOARD IN PLACE.
THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LISTEN
TO THE EVIDENCE
THAT WAS ACCUMULATED
BY THE STATE BOARD
OF ELECTIONS INVESTIGATORS
AS WELL AS INTERVIEWS
THAT THEY DO IN PERSON.
HOW LONG IS THIS PROCESS
GOING TO TAKE BECKI?
>> HOPEFULLY NOT TOO LONG.
I MEAN AS I MENTIONED
EARLIER THE STAFF
AT THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS
UNDER KIM STRIKE'S DIRECTION
HAS BEEN DOING THIS
AND PUTTING THESE THINGS
IN ORDER
THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO START
AT SQUARE ONE
WHEN THEY ARE SWORN IN.
>> BUT THE TERM EXPIRES IN
MARCH. DOESN'T IT.
>> WELL THEY THIS BOARD
ALLEGEDLY HOPEFULLY WILL GO INTO
PLACE AT THE END OF JANUARY
BEGIN THEIR WORK IMMEDIATELY
AND START TO REVIEW THINGS
AND I'M SURE THEY'LL ASK
FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION
BUT HOPEFULLY IT'LL MOVE
ALONG PRETTY QUICKLY.
>> THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR
IS A GUBERNATORIAL APPOINTMENT?
IS THAT CORRECT?
>> YOU KNOW HONESTLY
I DON'T KNOW.
>> I THINK THAT'S
THE CASE WHETHER IF IT IS
IF IT IS DE FACTO OR DE JURE
A THAT IS ESSENTIALLY CORRECT.
>> OK. SO SO LET'S ASSUME WE GET
OUT OF THIS FIVE MEMBER BOARD
LET'S ASSUME WE GET A A VERDICT
SO FAR
AS WHETHER TO CERTIFY
OR HOLD A NEW ELECTION.
COULD THAT DECISION
BE CHALLENGED IN COURT?
>> SURE. MARK HARRIS COULD -
I MEAN THAT'S WHAT JUDGE
RIDGEWAY SAID, RIGHT?
IT WOULD BE A QUESTION WHETHER
HE WANTS TO TAKE THAT STEP.
I THINK WHAT JUDGE RIDGWAY SAID
IS YOU KNOW
THAT'S WHEN YOU GO TO COURT
AT THAT POINT.
>> IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS
ELECTION WHAT DO YOU THINK
IT COULD BE THIS FALL.
>> YOU'D HOPE SOONER THAN THAT.
YOU'D HOPE FOR THE SPRING.
>> IF YOU COULD HAVE A PRIMARY
IN THE SPRING OR LATE SPRING
AND HAVING
A GENERAL ELECTION AFTER THAT --
IT'S ALSO WORTH POINTING OUT
THE REASON
WE HAVE SUCH A CONFUSING
BOARD OF ELECTIONS
IS THAT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY
HAS TRIED 150 TIMES
NOT MUCH AN EXAGGERATION
TO RECONSTITUTE IT
IF THEY HADN'T TINKERED
AROUND WITH THIS
WE WOULD HAVE A SITTING BOARD
WHICH HAVE ALREADY HEARD IT
AND MADE A DECISION.
>> AND WE ARE CLEAR ABOUT THIS
IF THE STATE --
IF I THINK I'M RIGHT ABOUT THIS
BUT I'M SURE THE VIEWERS
WILL LET US KNOW IF I'M WRONG
WHICH IS - THEY NEVER
HESITATE TO DO.
BUT IF THE STATE ORDERS A NEW
ELECTION WE WOULDN'T START OVER
WITH PRIMARIES NECESSARILY
DEPENDS ON WHAT THEY FELT.
>> THE LEGISLATURE PASSED A LAW
SAYING THAT WE WOULD.
>> BUT IN THE MEANTIME
THAT DISTRICT HAS
NO REPRESENTATION IN CONGRESS
ALSO ACROSS THE STATE THE
INTEGRITY OF OUR ELECTIONS --
>> THAT'S NOT ENTIRELY TRUE
BECAUSE THE LEGISLATURE ITSELF
HAS APPOINTED A GROUP OF PEOPLE
TO SERVE THE CONSTITUENTS
>> CONSTITUENT SERVICES
BUT NOT CASTING THOSE VOTES
ON VERY IMPORTANT ISSUES.
>> BUT YOU WERE TALKING
ABOUT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.
WHO'S TO SAY THEY'RE NOT
GOING TO PASS
SOME MORE LEGISLATION
IN THIS SESSION
TO TINKER FURTHER WITH
THE STATE BOARD OF ELECTIONS
IN NEXT WEDNESDAY.
THEY RETURNED TO RALLY
TO GET DOWN TO BUSINESS SO FAR
WE'VE HEARD THE TRADITIONAL
PLEDGES OF HARMONY
THE APPOINTMENTS
OF COMMITTEE CHAIRS
AND MEMBERS PROMISES
TO PASS THE BUDGET
AND ADJOURN BY JULY 4TH.
AND WE'VE HAD THE NORMAL
ENTERTAINING GAME
OF MUSICAL CHAIRS
BEING PLAYED AS LAWMAKERS
MOVE TO NEW OFFICES
BUT COME WEDNESDAY
THE REAL WORK BEGINS
AND WE WANT OUR PANEL
TO GIVE US A PREVIEW
OF WHAT TO EXPECT
IN THIS SESSION.
I WANT TO START WITH BECKI
WE HEARD PLEDGES OF HARMONY
AND BIPARTISAN SUPPORT.
IT'S TRUE REPUBLICANS DON'T HAVE
THAT VETO PROOF MAJORITY
THAT THEY'VE HAD IN MANY YEARS.
YOU THINK REALLY WE'LL SEE
HARMONY IN THIS SESSION
OR ARE WE GOING TO GO BACK
TO THE SAME KIND OF CAT
FIGHTING WE'VE SEEN.
>> I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE
SOME OF BOTH.
TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THEY'RE
GOING TO BE DISAGREEMENTS
THERE ALREADY ARE THINGS
LIKE MEDICAID EXPANSION
WHETHER TO SAVE MONEY OR SPEND
MORE MONEY ON REDISTRICTING
AND THE ELECTIONS YOU KNOW
THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT
THERE'S GOING TO BE PLENTY
TO FIGHT ABOUT.
BUT THERE'S ALSO PLENTY
THAT THERE IS BIPARTISAN SUPPORT
FOR THINGS
LIKE ALCOHOL BEVERAGE SYSTEM
REFORMS REMOVING REGULATIONS
SO THAT CRAFT BREWERIES
AND CRAFT DISTILLERIES CAN GROW
AND CREATE JOBS OF COURSE
ACROSS NORTH CAROLINA.
THE GOVERNOR THE SPEAKER
OF THE HOUSE
AND THE SUPERINTENDENT
OF PUBLIC INSTRUCTION
HAVE COME OUT IN SUPPORT
OF A TWO BILLION DOLLAR SCHOOL
CONSTRUCTION BOND.
I THINK EVERYBODY AGREES HEALTH
CARE COSTS ARE OUT OF CONTROL.
THE SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE
IS UNSUSTAINABLE.
LOOKING AT EXPANDING SCOPE
OF PRACTICE
REMOVING CERTIFICATE OF NEED
SOME OF THOSE KIND THINGS
OPENING UP THE INSURANCE MARKET
WHERE YOU'RE TAUGHT HEARING TALK
OF ASSOCIATION INSURANCE PLANS
TO OFFER MORE COMPETITION
WITH HEALTH INSURANCE.
>> SO I THINK THERE'S PLENTY
OF AREAS
>> YOU JUST CHECKED OFF ALL THE
BOXES I HAD
TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT.
I THINK FOR THE REST
OF THE PROGRAM
WE'LL JUST TAKE A BREAK.
ACTUALLY,
JOHN YOU WROTE AN INTERESTING
COLUMN THIS WEEK SAYING
THAT BETWEEN UNDERSPENDING
OF APPROPRIATED FUNDS
AND SURPLUSES IN REVENUE
FROM WHAT WAS FORECAST.
WE'VE GOT APPROXIMATELY
FIVE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS
IN AVAILABLE DOLLARS.
IS THAT CORRECT.
>> WELL, YEAH, I MEAN
ESSENTIALLY IT'S THE FIRST
SIX MONTHS OF THE FISCAL YEAR.
THE REVENUES RUN IN
A COUPLE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS
ABOVE THE PREVIOUS FORECAST.
YOU'VE ALSO GOT A CASH SURPLUS
FOR THE CURRENT YEAR MONEY
VERSUS SPENDING SHARES IN THE
400 MILLION DOLLAR RANGE OR SO.
SO IT'S A LITTLE HIGHER
THAN THAT NUMBER TOM
BUT WE ARE WE'VE BEEN AROUND
LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW
THAT THERE HAVE BEEN YEARS
WHEN THAT SURPLUS
WAS HEADED UP TOWARDS A BILLION
WHERE THE REVENUE OVERAGE
WOULD BE HALF OF THAT.
WE MIGHT GET THERE THROUGH
THE IN FISCAL YEAR
BUT IT'S STILL TOO EARLY
TO START
SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY.
WE HAVEN'T COLLECTED YET.
>> AND THESE
APPROPRIATIONS CHAIRS
ARE QUICK TO TELL US
THIS IS ONE TIME MONEY
YOU CAN'T GO --
>> SOME OF IT IS RECURRING.
>> GOVERNOR COOPER CHRIS,
HAS GOT A LONG LIST OF PROJECTS
THAT HE WANTS TO SEE
THE LEGISLATURE
SPENDING SOME MONEY ON.
NONE THE LEAST OF WHICH
IS TEACHER PAY INCREASES
BRINGING US UP
TO THE NATIONAL AVERAGE
AND PER PUPIL EXPENDITURE.
>> RIGHT. AND REMEMBER PER PUPIL
EXPENDITURES WERE STILL BELOW
WHERE WE WERE BEFORE THE
GREAT RECESSION HIT
WHICH IS NOT A BADGE OF HONOR.
I STILL THINK THERE ARE COUPLE
OVERRIDING THEMES OF THE SESSION
YOU HIT ON ONE OF THEM WHICH IS
THE VETO PROOF MAJORITY IS GONE.
SO THERE BE MUCH MORE
NEGOTIATION BEHIND THE SCENES.
I THINK MEDICAID EXPANSION
DESPITE WHAT BECKI SAID
THERE ARE A LOT OF REPUBLICANS
IN THE HOUSE.
DR. MURPHY GREGG MURPHY IN
THE HOUSE A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE
DON'T BELIEVE
WE SHOULD EXPAND MEDICAID
NOT MAYBE THE WAY
THAT I WOULDN'T WANT.
THAT'S GOING TO BE A GIANT ISSUE
IT'S NOT JUST PARTISAN.
THERE ARE REPUBLICANS
WHO SUPPORT IT.
ONE THING WE HAVEN'T TALKED
ABOUT ONCE AGAIN THIS WEEK
SPEAKER MOORE ENTERS THE SESSION
UNDER AN ETHICAL CLOUD.
WE HEARD ANOTHER SCANDAL
BREAK THIS PAST WEEK
WHERE HE PAID
A FORMER EMPLOYEE NINETY
FOUR THOUSAND DOLLARS
WHEN HE LEFT
FOR WORKING FOR YOU.
I THINK THIS IS THE FOURTH
OR FIFTH THING
THAT PEOPLE ARE UPSET
ABOUT SOME ACTIVE FEDERAL
AND STATE INVESTIGATIONS
HE'S HIRED A LAWYER.
THIS IS NOT A SMALL THING
ON JONES STREET
BECAUSE WHETHER THESE THINGS
COME TO FRUITION
THE SESSION MEMBERS ON CAUCUS
HAVE TO BE STARTING TO WONDER
WHAT'S GOING ON IN
THE SPEAKER'S OFFICE.
THAT IS A BIG DEAL.
>> IN THE CLOUDS OF LEADERSHIP
LET ME GO AROUND THE TABLE
VERY QUICKLY
BECAUSE CHRIS RAISED THIS ISSUE
ABOUT MEDICAID EXPANSION
RIGHT IN ASKING HIM
THE QUESTION: WHO THINKS THIS IS
GOING TO HAPPEN IN THIS SESSION?
>> I THINK IT'S
A GOOD SHOT AT IT.
I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE
VERY DIFFICULT
BUT I THINK THERE'S A SHOT.
>> JOHN?
>> I'D BE MORE LIKE 50/50 ON IT
AT BEST.
>> BECKI.
>> I DO NOT BELIEVE
THAT WILL HAPPEN.
I THINK THAT
FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY
LOOKING AT THE ENTIRE BUDGET.
YOU KNOW CHRIS MENTIONED TEACHER
PAY INCREASES
MORE MONEY TOWARDS EDUCATION.
THERE'S A LOT OF NEEDS
IN THE STATE
AND OR IN MEDICAID EXPANSION.
WE CAN'T DO EVERYTHING.
>> I THINK IT'LL PASS THE HOUSE
AND YOU BELIEVE
A LOT OF REPUBLICANS
LIKE DR. MURPHY
AND OTHERS
ARE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE.
MAYBE SO BUT I THINK IT'LL PASS
THE HOUSE WE'LL SEE
IN THE SENATE THE GOVERNOR
AND HOUSE WANT TO DO IT.
>> ROB WE'RE CERTAIN TO HAVE
MORE REQUESTS
AND MORE APPROPRIATION
FOR HURRICANE RECOVERY
ARE WE NOT
WE'VE SPENT EIGHT HUNDRED --
WE ALLOCATED $850
MILLION DOLLARS.
YOU THINK THERE'S GONNA BE MORE?
>> I DON'T DOUBT IT.
AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT
FOR US TO REMEMBER
THAT HAD WE LEFT TAXES
WHERE THEY WERE FIVE YEARS AGO
WHEN NORTH CAROLINA WAS ALREADY
RANKED HIGH IN THE STATES
AMONGST MOST DESIRABLE
FOR RELOCATING YOUR BUSINESS
WE'D HAVE FOUR BILLION DOLLARS
ACTUALLY IN RECURRING SPENDING
IN OUR BUDGET THIS YEAR.
WE'D HAVE ALL KINDS OF
WE'D HAVE THAT TEACHER
PAY PROBLEM ADDRESSED.
WE COULD HAVE EXPANDED MEDICAID
THERE'S SO MUCH
WE COULD HAVE DONE THERE WAS
TO BE A LOT OF PENT UP DEMAND
TO GET AFTER
THAT WE HAVE NEGLECTED
AND SYSTEMATICALLY UNDER
INVESTED IN SO MANY PROGRAM
NO DOUBT ANYBODY THAT CAN WALK
AND CHEW GUM
IS GOING TO BE WANT MORE MONEY.
>> BUT ONE
OF THE PHILOSOPHIES
OVER IN THIS LEGISLATURE
FOR THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS
SINCE 2012 CERTAINLY HAS BEEN
A MORE CONSERVATIVE PHILOSOPHY
SO FAR AS SAVINGS ARE CONCERNED.
WE HAD A TWO BILLION DOLLAR
RAINY DAY FUND
FROM WHICH WE COULD DRAW
THESE FUNDS
FOR HURRICANE APPROPRIATIONS
ARE WE GOING TO SEE
MORE MOVEMENT
TO SOCK MORE MONEY
INTO RAINY DAY.
>> WE'VE SPENT OUT
OF THE RAINY DAY.
SO WE'RE DOWN TO ONE POINT TWO
PLUS YOU'VE GOT
SEVERAL HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS
IN OTHER ACCOUNTS.
IT'S A HEALTHY AMOUNT IT'S NOT
AS MUCH AS WE HAD TWO YEARS AGO.
I THINK THERE WILL BE
SIGNIFICANT PRESSURE
IN THE LEGISLATURE
AND I AGREE WITH IT
TO MAKE ONE OF THE PRIORITIES
BE RESTORE
SOME OF THE MONEY
THAT WAS TAKEN OUT.
>> I THINK ONE OF THE SLEEPER
ISSUES OF THIS SESSION
IS WE WILL ELECT MEMBERS
OF THE BOARD OF GOVERNORS
SOMETIME THIS SPRING
WE DO IT EVERY LONG SESSION
NORMALLY PEOPLE SORT OUT
A LITTLE BIT PAY ATTENTION TO IT
THAT GOES UNDER THE RADAR --
>> DID WE MAKE NOMINATIONS?
>> WELL IT'S NOT GOING TO BE
UNDER THE RADAR THIS YEAR.
>> WE'RE ALL ON THE BOARD
OF ELECTIONS.
WE CAN'T ALSO BE ON THE UNC
BOARD OF GOVERNORS.
>> TELL YOU WHAT - I'LL TRADE MY
PLACE ON THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS!
I'LL GET ON THE BOG!
>> THIS IS THE MOST ATTENTION
PAID TO THOSE ELECTIONS
IN A LONG TIME.
>> I THINK YOU'RE
RIGHT ABOUT THAT.
>> I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE
A LOT OF VETTING
OF THOSE CANDIDATES.
>> HOW ABOUT THIS READ TO
ACHIEVE PROGRAM.
WE JUST RECEIVED RESULTS
ABOUT THE FACT
THAT IT IS NOT ACCOMPLISHING
WHAT WE HAD INTENDED.
CERTAINLY SENATOR PHIL BERGER
INTENDED TO ACCOMPLISH.
YOU THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE
SOME EITHER MORE APPROPRIATIONS
OR SOME TWEAKING
OF THAT PROGRAM?
>> I THINK WE CERTAINLY NEED TO.
I THINK THAT THERE CLEARLY
IS A NEED.
I THINK EVERYBODY AGREES THAT WE
ARE KIDS COMING OUT OF SCHOOL
NEED TO KNOW HOW TO READ.
NOW IF WE DO THAT
AT THE THIRD GRADE LEVEL
OR MANY PEOPLE ARE ARGUING
THAT WE REALLY NEED TO TAKE
IT BACK TO PRESCHOOL PROGRAMS
AND PUT MORE MONEY
INTO THE PRESCHOOL PROGRAMS.
I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE
A LOT OF STUDIES DONE.
I THINK THAT WE NEED TO LOOK
AT WHAT OTHER STATES ARE DOING
AND THEY'RE DOING WELL
AND WHERE THE RESULTS ARE.
I THINK WE NEED TO PUT THE MONEY
WHERE WE KNOW
WE'RE GOING TO GET THE RESULTS
BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THE
RESPONSIBILITY IS TO THE KIDS.
>> THAT'S WHAT THE
BUSINESS LEADERS SAID THIS WEEK.
THEY'RE TELLING US BUSINESS
LEADERS IN NORTH CAROLINA
ARE SAYING INVEST IN PRE-K.
WE NEED TO BRING THIS NURTURING
APPROACH LET'S GROW OUR CHILDREN
LET'S HELP THEM EARLY
ON LET'S NOT JUST DEMAND RESULTS
WITH A TEST YOU KNOW LATER ON
IN THIRD GRADE
AND HOLD THEM BACK
IT'S THAT PUNITIVE APPROACH
AS OPPOSED TO HELPING THEM
ALONG APPROACH.
>> AND VERY QUICKLY
IS THE SCHOOL BOND
REFERENDUM IDEA
GOING TO GET PASSED
AND WILL WE BE VOTING
ON IT THIS YEAR
OR WILL IT BE 2020? QUICKLY.
>> IT'LL DEFINITELY PASS.
THE ARGUMENT WILL BE
WHAT'S IN IT.
I MEAN IT'S EASY TO SAY
EVERYBODY'S FOR IT.
WHEN YOU START DIVIDING IT UP
THERE'LL BE A BIG BATTLE
BETWEEN URBAN AND RURAL AREA
>> THIS YEAR OR NEXT YEAR?
>> I THINK 2020 PROBABLY
BUT THERE'S EIGHT BILLION
DOLLARS IN NEED NOT JUST TWO.
>> I THINK SO TOO BECAUSE --
>> NOT ONLY THAT, BUT
TRANSPORTATION BONDS
WE GOT WATER AND SEWER,
>> EXACTLY, BUT MORE VOTER
TURNOUT MORE PARTICIPATION
MORE PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO VOICE
WHETHER OR NOT THEY SUPPORT
A TWO BILLION DOLLAR BOND
>> PRIVATIZING ABC YES OR NO?
>> DO I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA,
OR DO I THINK IT'S
GOING TO HAPPEN?
>> I DON'T THINK SO.
>> NOT IT'S GONNA BE ONE
OF THE MOST HOTLY LOBBIED ISSUES
IN THIS GENERAL ASSEMBLY JOHN
PASSED
I HOPE IT PASSES I'M NOT GOING
TO BET ON IT THIS YEAR
I HOPE IT PASSES TOO
BUT THIS IS ONE OF THOSE ISSUES
THAT INCREMENTAL CHANGES
WILL GET US TO THE END GO
AND IT DOESN'T
ALL HAVE TO BE DONE IN ONE YEAR.
>> WE GOING TO SEE
PRISON REFORM?
>> I HOPE SO.
I THINK THAT'S THAT'S MORE
LIKELY THAN ABC PRIVATIZATION
BECAUSE IT'S A CONSERVATIVE
OR THE RELIGIOUS CONSERVATIVES
IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY
WILL FIGHT THAT.
I MEAN THAT WOULD BE THEIR ONE
OF THEIR PRIORITIES
OF THE SESSION.
IT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT.
>> HOWEVER THEY ACTUALLY
AND OTHERS WILL BE ADVOCATES
OF PRISON REFORM.
THAT'S RIGHT.
>> THAT'S ONE AREA WHERE LEFT
AND RIGHT
TEND TO KIND OF COME TOGETHER.
>> WE'RE HEARING THERE MAY BE
A PUSH TO LEGALIZE MARIJUANA.
>> I THINK THERE WILL BE A PUSH.
>> THERE'S ALWAYS A PUSH TO
LEGALIZE MARIJUANA.
THAT'S ANOTHER
EXAMPLE OF WHY WE NEED
TO REALLY TAKE A LOOK
AT THE ABC SYSTEM
AND GET BACK IN GOOD
WORKING ORDER
IF WE'RE GOING TO AT SOME POINT
LEGALIZE MARIJUANA IN THE STATE
BECAUSE THE TWO COULD REALLY BE
CONNECTED WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT
AND OVERSIGHT
IN THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
SO IT'S THOSE TWO THINGS
ARE CONNECTED IN MY MIND.
>> SENATOR HARRY BROWN,
JOHN, IS GOING TO WANT US
TO SPEND MORE MONEY ON BROADBAND
INTERNET INTERNET
CONNECTIVITY FOR RURAL AREAS.
>> THERE IS GONNA BE A PUSH
FOR THAT THIS YEAR.
YOU THINK IT'S GOING TO PASS?
>> I THINK IT'S SOMEWHAT TRADES
OFF OF THE SCHOOL
CONSTRUCTION BOND.
I MEAN THERE'S A CERTAIN
AMOUNT OF MONEY
YOU GO SPEND ON INFRASTRUCTURE
WHICH IS THAT WHICH IS
THE HIGHEST PRIORITY OF COURSE
YOU KNOW INVESTING
IN INFRASTRUCTURE COULD.
THERE ARE SOME PRIVATE
SECTOR INITIATIVES
THAT ARE SORT OF LEAPFROGGING
THE NEXT WAVE OF WIRES
THAT ARE GOING TO AFFECT RURAL
AREAS IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS
AND WE NEED TO BE THINKING
VERY CAREFULLY
ABOUT WHAT WE SPEND
PUBLIC DOLLARS ON.
>> ALL RIGHT.
REGULATORY REFORM.
BECKI MENTIONED THIS
PARTICULARLY LICENSING REFORM
SO FAR AS REGULATIONS ON SMALL
BUSINESSES AND BUSINESSES
IN NORTH CAROLINA.
>> ANYTHING THAT CERTIFICATE
OF NEED CERTAINLY?
>> THE CHALLENGE
WITH LICENSING REFORMS,
THE INDUSTRIES
THAT ARE CURRENTLY LICENSED
ARE ACTUALLY THE ADVOCATES
OF LICENSING REFORM.
THEY DON'T WANT TO DEREGULATE
THEIR INDUSTRY
AND FACE COMPETITION
AND SO THEY'RE GOING TO FIGHT
THAT.
>> ONE PERSON'S LICENSING REFORM
IS ONE PERSON'S ATTACK -
ANOTHER PERSON'S ATTACK
ON CONSUMER PROTECTION.
>> I WENT FOR THE LICENSES
WHY DON'T WE JUST HAVE
RECIPROCITY WITH OTHER STATES.
IF YOU OPEN THAT UP
AND ALLOW PEOPLE
TO HAVE A LICENSE IN ONE STATE
TO COME TO NORTH CAROLINA
>> ARE THEY GOING
TO ADJOURN JULY 4TH
LIKE THEY'RE SAYING?
>> [ALL] NO.
IT SEEMS LIKE A REAL LONG SHOT.
>> ARE THEY GOING TO PASS A
BUDGET IT'S IN
WITHOUT A WHOLE LOT OF ANGST?
>> NO.
>> THIS IS A DIFFERENT STORY NOW
BECAUSE OF THE VETO PROOF
MAJORITY
NO LONGER BEING IN PLACE.
>> IT'S ALSO A DIFFERENT STORY
BECAUSE IN 2016 THERE WAS A LAW
THAT PASSED THAT SAID
IF THEY CAN'T PASS A BUDGET
THEY CAN JUST REVERT
TO LAST YEAR'S BUDGET
SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO BUT
THEY CAN ALSO CHANGE THE LAW.
>> I GOT TWO MINUTES LEFT.
TELL US SOMETHING WE DON'T KNOW.
>> INTERESTING VOTES OR NON
VOTES
TO SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT
THIS PAST
THIS PAST WEEK OR TODAY.
THIS THURSDAY THE ONLY U.S.
SENATOR
WHO VOTED ON ONE OF THE BILLS
VOTED FOR TRUMP'S BILL
AND DID NOT VOTE
ON THE DEMOCRATIC BILL
SENATOR RICHARD BURR
OF NORTH CAROLINA.
AND HE HAS YET TO EXPLAIN
WHY HE DIDN'T VOTE.
>> ALL RIGHT ROB TELL US
SOMETHING WE DON'T KNOW.
>> INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH
THE LOWER CAPE FEAR RIVER
WE HAD A STORY ON THIS WEEK
THIS WEEK ON NC POLICY
WATCH WE THINK OF IT AS A RIVER.
IT'S NOW BEING IT'S CLASSIFIED
AS A SWAMP BY SOME OFFICIALS
AND THE POLLUTERS
LIKE IT THAT WAY.
>> I DON'T THINK THE PEOPLE
IN SOUTHEASTERN CAROLINA
WOULD LIKE YOU TO
CONSIDER IT A SWAMP.
>> I DON'T THINK SO EITHER
BUT THAT'S HOW THE RULES --
THAT'S WHAT THEY SAY RIGHT NOW
WE NEED TO GET IT BACK.
>> THAT BECAUSE OF THE
POLLUTION?
>> YEAH.
IT'S BEEN CAUSED
BY HOG FARM POLLUTION
AND BY OTHER DISCHARGES.
>> BECKI TELL US SOMETHING
WE DON'T KNOW.
>> 12,000
DEVELOPMENTALLY DISABLED
VICTIMS OF SUBSTANCE ABUSE
ARE ON A WAITING LIST TO RECEIVE
MEDICAID SUPPORT SERVICES.
LAST YEAR THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY
ALLOCATED MONEY FOR ABOUT
40 OF 400 OF THOSE PEOPLE.
WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT
INSTEAD OF EXPANDING MEDICAID.
>> ALL RIGHT, JOHN TELL US
SOMETHING WE DON'T --
>> SCHOOL CHOICE IS GOING TO BE
A HOT TOPIC IN THE LEGISLATURE
WE DIDN'T MENTION BOTH ATTEMPTS
TO EXPAND CURRENT PROGRAMS
AND ATTEMPT TO INCREASE
REGULATION ON THE EXISTING ONES.
>> WOW.
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>> THEY ARE UP BEFORE DAWN, AND
WORK LATE INTO THE NIGHT.
>> THEY BELIEVE IN HARD
WORK, FAMILY,
AND DOING THE RIGHT THING.
THEY STAND UP FOR
THEIR COMMUNITIES
WHEN OTHERS WALK AWAY.
THEY ARE GOOD PEOPLE WHO JUST
WANT A FAIR SHAKE.
THEY ARE FARMERS.
AT NORTH CAROLINA
FARM BUREAU.
WE ARE PROUD TO STAND
WITH OUR FARMERS.
>> TODAY'S TOOLS MAKE
YOUR REAL DIYER,
AND AS A MEMBER
OF AN ELECTRIC COOPERATIVE
YOU HAVE LOTS OF VALUABLE TOOLS
TO HELP YOU DO IT YOURSELF
IN CONTROLLING YOUR HOME
ENERGY USE AND BUDGET
LEAVING YOU FREE TO BE DAD.
>> 12,000 NORTH CAROLINA
VETERANS ARE UNINSURED
WITH NO OPTIONS TO BUY
HEALTH INSURANCE.
THEY FOUGHT FOR US, NOW LET'S
FIGHT FOR THEM.
LET'S CREATE A NORTH
CAROLINA SOLUTION
FOR COVERING THE UNINSURED.
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