WEBVTT 00:03.703 --> 00:06.706 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% >> This is NC Spin and unrehearsed discussion 00:06.806 --> 00:08.775 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% on issues of interest in North Carolina. 00:09.476 --> 00:11.811 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% Now here is your moderator Tom Campbell. 00:15.615 --> 00:18.284 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% We're not superstitious but we want to welcome you 00:18.385 --> 00:21.354 align:left position:12.5%,start line:5% size:77.5% to the Friday the 13th edition of balance debate 00:21.454 --> 00:22.789 align:left position:30%,start line:5% size:60% for the old state 00:22.889 --> 00:26.926 align:left position:12.5%,start line:5% size:77.5% which by the way happens to be our 13th show on UNC-TV. 00:27.560 --> 00:30.530 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% Well temperatures aren't the only thing warming up this week. 00:30.630 --> 00:32.632 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% Our panel will debate the ongoing wars 00:32.732 --> 00:34.968 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% between the executive and legislative branches 00:35.068 --> 00:37.270 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% and talk about the latest court verdicts. 00:37.370 --> 00:39.572 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% We'll examine the potential for trade wars 00:39.672 --> 00:41.808 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% and how they could affect our state's economy. 00:41.908 --> 00:44.711 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% And four weeks before the May 8 primary 00:44.811 --> 00:46.179 align:left position:27.5%,start line:5% size:62.5% the only fireworks 00:46.279 --> 00:49.049 align:left position:12.5%,start line:5% size:77.5% seemed to be in the courtroom. We'll talk about it. 00:49.149 --> 00:51.684 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% And you wouldn't won't let us go without our panel 00:51.785 --> 00:53.286 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% telling us something we don't know. 00:53.953 --> 00:55.789 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% Joining us this week on the panel 00:55.889 --> 00:58.958 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% are Brad Crone political consultant and analyst 00:59.859 --> 01:03.530 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% John Hood's syndicated columnist and author 01:03.630 --> 01:06.866 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% Chris Fitzsimon Political Analyst and columnist. 01:06.966 --> 01:09.335 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% And Anna Beavon Gravely welcome to the show. 01:09.436 --> 01:11.571 align:left position:27.5%,start line:5% size:62.5% For the first time political analyst 01:11.671 --> 01:13.406 align:left position:27.5%,start 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01:39.899 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% with potential landmines family physicians across North Carolina 01:40.433 --> 01:43.069 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% are providing you a lifetime of committed 01:43.169 --> 01:46.372 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% dependable medical care family physicians 01:46.473 --> 01:48.908 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% your trusted health care adviser for life. 01:52.645 --> 01:54.314 align:left position:32.5%,start line:5% size:57.5% >> Agriculture. 01:54.414 --> 01:58.485 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% It's North Carolina's number one economic driver. 01:59.219 --> 02:03.890 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% >> It puts people to work it powers our economy. 02:04.657 --> 02:09.362 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% And as agriculture grows so does our quality of life. 02:10.263 --> 02:14.501 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% North Carolina Farm Bureau is proud to support agriculture 02:14.601 --> 02:18.004 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% and our farmers because agriculture. 02:18.104 --> 02:20.106 align:left position:27.5%,start line:5% size:62.5% >> Connects us all. 02:21.441 --> 02:23.009 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% >> Let's get started. 02:23.109 --> 02:24.310 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% The war between the executive 02:24.410 --> 02:26.346 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% and legislative branches of our government 02:26.446 --> 02:29.415 align:left position:12.5%,start line:5% size:77.5% which started when Pat McCrory was governor has escalated 02:29.516 --> 02:33.219 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% to the point where just about any action either side takes 02:33.319 --> 02:35.788 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% is surely going to result in a lawsuit from the other. 02:36.489 --> 02:38.625 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% Some court cases resulted in lawsuits 02:38.725 --> 02:40.927 align:left position:30%,start line:5% size:60% by the Republican led legislature. 02:41.027 --> 02:43.763 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% Others handed verdicts against the executive branch. 02:43.863 --> 02:46.432 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% The latest ruling dealt with who had the authority 02:46.533 --> 02:49.802 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% to determine how millions of dollars in settlements 02:49.903 --> 02:53.072 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% from this to the state from Volkswagen would be spent. 02:53.173 --> 02:54.707 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% And a three judge panel affirmed 02:54.807 --> 02:56.476 align:left position:30%,start line:5% size:60% the legislature has the authority 02:56.576 --> 02:59.479 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% to appropriate that money even in court settlements. 02:59.579 --> 03:01.147 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% Chris let's start with the basics here. 03:02.115 --> 03:04.484 align:left position:30%,start line:5% size:60% It is well known and acknowledged 03:04.584 --> 03:06.019 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% we have one of the we guess 03:06.119 --> 03:09.122 align:left position:27.5%,start line:5% size:62.5% executive branches of all the states 03:09.222 --> 03:10.390 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% and the legislature has 03:10.490 --> 03:12.258 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% the majority of power in North Carolina. 03:12.358 --> 03:16.696 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% And this was originally done when the columnists were fed up 03:16.796 --> 03:19.732 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% with the tyrannical king in England. 03:19.832 --> 03:21.467 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% The question many are asking right now 03:21.568 --> 03:23.636 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% is is this balance of power 03:23.736 --> 03:26.940 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% tilting too far in favor of the legislative branch. 03:27.040 --> 03:28.708 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% >> Well you know we even had a weaker governor up 03:28.808 --> 03:30.043 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% until the veto power 03:30.143 --> 03:31.544 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% was passed we were the only state in the veto 03:31.644 --> 03:33.279 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% for many years that the governor didn't have the veto 03:33.379 --> 03:34.981 align:left position:32.5%,start line:5% size:57.5% it gets changed in the mid 90s 03:36.115 --> 03:37.383 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% and now I think our governor 03:37.483 --> 03:39.252 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% is a little more powerful than he or she was. 03:39.352 --> 03:40.653 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% But there's a couple of things going on here. 03:40.753 --> 03:42.789 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% One is I do think we constantly need to look at this 03:42.889 --> 03:45.725 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% and the balance of powers but what appalls me frankly 03:45.825 --> 03:47.160 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% is the way we're looking at it this time 03:47.260 --> 03:48.661 align:left position:30%,start line:5% size:60% remember a lot of these big battles 03:48.761 --> 03:51.397 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% started in a special session. Nobody knew was going to happen. 03:51.497 --> 03:53.399 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% It was wasn't called until five minutes 03:53.499 --> 03:54.667 align:left position:12.5%,start line:5% size:77.5% before it was held in December 03:54.767 --> 03:56.336 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% after Roy Cooper was elected governor. 03:57.003 --> 03:58.371 align:left position:27.5%,start line:5% size:62.5% And other than the Volkswagen suit 03:58.471 --> 04:02.175 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% and whatever you want to say about the pipeline fund 04:02.275 --> 04:03.843 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% I think for the most part Governor Cooper 04:03.943 --> 04:05.745 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% hasn't been trying to seize more power. 04:05.845 --> 04:08.181 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% He's been fending off bizarre 04:08.281 --> 04:09.782 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% attempts to take power away from him again. 04:09.882 --> 04:11.651 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% I'm not saying necessarily we have the right balance 04:11.751 --> 04:14.287 align:left position:12.5%,start line:5% size:77.5% but what we have is a terrible process to figure it out 04:14.387 --> 04:16.356 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% before we make significant changes in power. 04:16.456 --> 04:18.024 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% We need a thoughtful process. 04:18.124 --> 04:21.060 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% >> John, from where I sit it almost looks like this 04:21.160 --> 04:24.297 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% legislature is deliberately trying to devise legislation 04:24.397 --> 04:28.001 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% that pushes the limits of power for the executive branch 04:28.101 --> 04:31.070 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% and to pick fights with them. Is that fair. 04:31.170 --> 04:33.439 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% >> Well I think they would argue that they are defending 04:33.539 --> 04:37.610 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% the legislature's preeminent role in state government. 04:37.710 --> 04:39.779 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% They've fully in fact both parties back 04:39.879 --> 04:41.214 align:left position:27.5%,start line:5% size:62.5% when the Democrats were in charge 04:41.314 --> 04:43.316 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% they made no bones about the fact that the legislature 04:43.416 --> 04:44.784 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% isn't an equal branch of government 04:44.884 --> 04:47.387 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% with the governor and the Supreme Court. 04:47.487 --> 04:49.289 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% It's a superior branch. That's their argument. 04:49.389 --> 04:50.857 align:left position:12.5%,start line:5% size:77.5% They're very explicit about it 04:50.957 --> 04:52.725 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% and that's a pretty good reading of the Constitution. 04:52.825 --> 04:54.093 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% I think in this particular case 04:54.193 --> 04:56.696 align:left position:27.5%,start line:5% size:62.5% with the settlement dollars for example 04:56.796 --> 04:58.264 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% I don't agree with Chris about this. 04:58.364 --> 05:01.167 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% I think this wasn't a step for the governor to assert power 05:01.267 --> 05:03.903 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% that no previous governor has ever really enjoyed. 05:04.003 --> 05:06.906 align:left position:12.5%,start line:5% size:77.5% That is pretty clearly not justified by the Constitution. 05:07.006 --> 05:08.608 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% The notion that you can accept money 05:09.108 --> 05:10.143 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% from the federal government 05:10.243 --> 05:11.678 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% or from a settlement or something 05:11.778 --> 05:14.447 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% and directed without the legislature's control is odd 05:14.547 --> 05:16.449 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% and I'm surprised that wasn't a unanimous decision. 05:16.549 --> 05:18.951 align:left position:12.5%,start line:5% size:77.5% >> We've been having these arguments going back and forth 05:19.052 --> 05:21.120 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% even before Governor Cooper 05:21.220 --> 05:24.290 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% came oh was facing -- >> The late 1790s. 05:24.390 --> 05:26.492 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% >> So -- >> Tom remembers that! 05:26.592 --> 05:29.195 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% >> I was a young boy at the time. 05:30.229 --> 05:33.199 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% Here's my question who's keeping score here. 05:33.299 --> 05:35.802 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% Who's winning the legislature winning. 05:35.902 --> 05:38.237 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% The governor winning? Or is it kind of a draw. 05:39.172 --> 05:41.107 align:left position:27.5%,start line:5% size:62.5% >> Finally if I was keeping score 05:41.607 --> 05:43.109 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% I would say the is winning. 05:43.209 --> 05:45.278 align:left position:12.5%,start line:5% size:77.5% The legislature has always won 05:45.378 --> 05:47.947 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% and based on our state constitution 05:48.047 --> 05:53.986 align:left position:12.5%,start line:5% size:77.5% from the development of it in 1790 to 1793 post Civil War 05:54.087 --> 05:56.656 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% and even the new development of the state constitution 05:56.756 --> 06:00.827 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% in the late 1960s the legislatures won 06:00.927 --> 06:02.295 align:left position:12.5%,start line:5% size:77.5% and they will continue to win. 06:02.395 --> 06:03.696 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% Now I would argue with you 06:03.796 --> 06:05.665 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% about whether or not we have a weak governorship. 06:06.366 --> 06:08.501 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% I contend our governorship strength 06:08.601 --> 06:10.937 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% is based on the individual of the governor 06:11.037 --> 06:13.573 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% and in particular for example Jim Hunt 06:13.673 --> 06:15.575 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% was a very powerful governor 06:15.675 --> 06:19.145 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% and use the leverage that he had had we had powerful governors 06:19.245 --> 06:21.881 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% since Jim Hunt left office in 2001. 06:21.981 --> 06:23.383 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% That's a big question mark. 06:23.483 --> 06:26.786 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% >> Anna, I think a lot of people would say 06:26.886 --> 06:28.788 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% regardless of Brad's keeping score 06:28.888 --> 06:31.758 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% as to who's winning who's losing the people of North Carolina 06:31.858 --> 06:33.526 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% probably are the ones that are losing 06:33.626 --> 06:36.662 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% because we're having to pay all these exorbitant court costs 06:36.763 --> 06:39.799 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% and get tied up when we could be talking about issues 06:39.899 --> 06:42.502 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% instead of going to court. Would you agree. 06:42.602 --> 06:44.036 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% >> Absolutely. I mean you're absolutely right. 06:44.137 --> 06:46.005 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% I think the part that stands out to me more than anything 06:46.105 --> 06:48.508 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% is just the power of the judicial branch 06:48.608 --> 06:51.744 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% and this conversation is how so many things are going to court 06:51.844 --> 06:53.679 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% so many things are being decided by 06:54.313 --> 06:57.417 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% by small panels of judges and that's what's confusing. 06:57.517 --> 06:59.719 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% >> That's a good point because we're really kind of tilt power 06:59.819 --> 07:01.521 align:left position:12.5%,start line:5% size:77.5% over toward them a little bit. 07:01.621 --> 07:03.356 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% >> Absolutely and I think that's what's most confusing. 07:03.456 --> 07:06.025 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% >> So let's look at this latest verdict 07:06.125 --> 07:07.794 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% that came out, three judge panel 07:07.894 --> 07:11.531 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% ruled that the legislature alone has the power 07:11.631 --> 07:13.499 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% to determine the Volkswagen settlement money 07:13.599 --> 07:16.302 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% which by the way is 92 million dollars. 07:17.336 --> 07:19.038 align:left position:27.5%,start line:5% size:62.5% Senate President Pro Tem Phil Berger 07:19.138 --> 07:20.873 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% applauded the decision from the court 07:20.973 --> 07:24.477 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% saying the Constitution gives the appropriations authority 07:24.577 --> 07:27.547 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% to 170 people not one. 07:28.548 --> 07:30.116 align:left position:27.5%,start line:5% size:62.5% Agree or disagree. 07:30.216 --> 07:31.784 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% >> I think that we're going to see I don't think this is over. 07:31.884 --> 07:33.786 align:left position:12.5%,start line:5% size:77.5% You know this is a three judge panel this is going to go like 07:33.886 --> 07:36.689 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% all these decisions the Supreme Court which is four to three. 07:36.789 --> 07:39.826 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% I think tilting more toward the Democratic point of view 07:39.926 --> 07:42.061 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% although I think there's easily an argument to be made 07:42.161 --> 07:43.496 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% that the legislature should do this. 07:43.596 --> 07:44.831 align:left position:12.5%,start line:5% size:77.5% What has happened in the past. 07:44.931 --> 07:46.999 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% The most famous examples the golden leaf fund 07:47.099 --> 07:48.734 align:left position:30%,start line:5% size:60% the legislature has the authority 07:48.835 --> 07:50.102 align:left position:12.5%,start line:5% size:77.5% but the governor works closely 07:50.203 --> 07:51.604 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% with the legislature and comes up with a plan. 07:51.704 --> 07:53.573 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% I think the best thing would be if they could figure out a way 07:53.673 --> 07:56.576 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% to cooperate in these areas and give the governor input. 07:56.676 --> 07:58.044 align:left position:12.5%,start line:5% size:77.5% The other thing I think it's important to jump in here 07:58.144 --> 07:59.846 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% and say one of the things that most distressing is that 07:59.946 --> 08:02.582 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% when Senator Berger's reaction to this decision 08:02.682 --> 08:04.784 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% when Senator Berger wins he praises the court. 08:04.884 --> 08:06.552 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% When Senator Berger loses and his allies 08:06.652 --> 08:08.087 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% they'll question whether or not the judge 08:08.187 --> 08:09.822 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% should take off their robes and run for the legislature 08:09.922 --> 08:11.324 align:left position:12.5%,start line:5% size:77.5% and they're outraged -- >> The legitimacy of the court 08:11.424 --> 08:12.492 align:left position:12.5%,start line:5% size:77.5% >> The legitimacy of the court 08:12.592 --> 08:14.293 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% I think it's worth noting Governor Cooper 08:14.393 --> 08:16.829 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% and others are disappointed in the decisions 08:16.929 --> 08:18.698 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% but they're not questioning the very process 08:18.798 --> 08:21.367 align:left position:12.5%,start line:5% size:77.5% by which judges make decisions and that's a big difference. 08:21.467 --> 08:23.669 align:left position:30%,start line:5% size:60% >> OK, so help us understand Brad, 08:23.769 --> 08:26.339 align:left position:30%,start line:5% size:60% the opportunity scholarships part 08:26.439 --> 08:28.307 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% of that decision that came out. 08:29.509 --> 08:33.913 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% It said as I understood it dealing vouchers 08:34.013 --> 08:35.114 align:left position:27.5%,start line:5% size:62.5% for private schools 08:35.214 --> 08:36.782 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% that the governor should include 08:36.883 --> 08:39.585 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% an additional ten million dollars per year 08:39.685 --> 08:42.355 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% in his budget proposals for the coming year. 08:42.455 --> 08:43.856 align:left position:27.5%,start line:5% size:62.5% Now Governor Cooper is looking at this 08:43.956 --> 08:46.959 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% and saying hey they got the ability and authority 08:47.059 --> 08:48.861 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% to to appropriate money 08:48.961 --> 08:50.997 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% but they can't tell me how to craft a budget. 08:51.097 --> 08:52.598 align:left position:30%,start line:5% size:60% >> I think he's absolutely right. 08:52.698 --> 08:56.769 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% I think the prescription process is flawed in that ruling Tom. 08:57.336 --> 09:00.540 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% Clearly the legislature has the constitutional authority 09:00.640 --> 09:02.141 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% to appropriate money 09:02.241 --> 09:04.310 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% but I don't think that it's right for the courts 09:04.410 --> 09:08.881 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% to prescribe how the governor should recommend 09:08.981 --> 09:11.817 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% to the legislature the appropriation of state funds. 09:11.918 --> 09:14.020 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% >> I might suggest I disagree about that. 09:14.120 --> 09:17.290 align:left position:12.5%,start line:5% size:77.5% And here's the reason: the governor's current process 09:17.390 --> 09:20.126 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% by which he follows to get all the stuff 09:20.226 --> 09:21.561 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% from the various departments 09:21.661 --> 09:23.729 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% and proposed budget legislature that's statutory. 09:23.829 --> 09:24.664 align:left position:42.5%,start line:5% size:47.5% >> Yes. 09:24.764 --> 09:25.565 align:left position:27.5%,start line:5% size:62.5% >> There's nothing in the constitution 09:25.665 --> 09:26.999 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% that lays all that out. 09:27.099 --> 09:28.601 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% >> But there's nothing in the Constitution that tells him 09:28.701 --> 09:29.936 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% he's got to appropriate a certain amount of money -- 09:30.036 --> 09:30.970 align:left position:27.5%,start line:5% size:62.5% >> What I'm saying 09:31.070 --> 09:33.205 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% is the legislature has this can pass a law 09:33.306 --> 09:35.474 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% that determines how the governor puts his budget together. 09:35.575 --> 09:37.076 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% That's the system we currently live in, 09:37.176 --> 09:40.513 align:left position:27.5%,start line:5% size:62.5% that was created by the legislature. 09:40.613 --> 09:42.415 align:left position:27.5%,start line:5% size:62.5% >> May be that this panel also said 09:42.515 --> 09:44.250 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% that the legislature had the power 09:44.350 --> 09:48.287 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% to shrink the size of the court of appeals from 15 down 09:48.387 --> 09:53.125 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% to 12 members reading article 4 section 7 of the Constitution. 09:53.225 --> 09:57.330 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% It clearly says that the general assembly has the authority 09:57.430 --> 09:59.465 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% from time to time to increase or decrease. 09:59.999 --> 10:03.636 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% The governor said that it limited his authority 10:03.736 --> 10:06.872 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% to be able to appoint judges when a vacancy is created. 10:08.207 --> 10:11.410 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% We're not lawyers but does that argument make sense to you? 10:11.510 --> 10:12.912 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% >> That argument does not make sense to me. 10:13.012 --> 10:14.213 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% He still has the authority 10:14.313 --> 10:16.882 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% to be able to appoint vacancies to the court. 10:16.983 --> 10:18.217 align:left position:27.5%,start line:5% size:62.5% >> And I think that still stands. 10:18.317 --> 10:19.318 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% >> I want to jump in little bit on the 10:19.418 --> 10:21.020 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% the issue about the opportunity scholarships. 10:21.120 --> 10:22.355 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% If you follow John's logic 10:22.455 --> 10:25.057 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% which please don't ever follow the logic 10:25.157 --> 10:27.526 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% it's done loads of good to the legislature 10:27.627 --> 10:31.631 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% could conceivably hypothetically pass a law in 2018 10:31.731 --> 10:34.533 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% saying here is what the governor has to recommend in 2019 10:34.634 --> 10:36.102 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% and write a whole budget 10:36.202 --> 10:37.703 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% and say here's what the governor Cooper has to recommend. 10:37.803 --> 10:40.139 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% Now does anybody think that that would be that. 10:40.239 --> 10:42.008 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% That's the logic of this argument which is they can tell 10:42.108 --> 10:43.309 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% the governor every single thing he has to recommend -- 10:43.409 --> 10:46.312 align:left position:35%,start line:5% size:55% [all talking] 10:46.412 --> 10:48.581 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% >> I mean why not have the discretion once it gets there 10:48.681 --> 10:50.082 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% to do what they want to 10:50.182 --> 10:51.384 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% so why put handcuffs on the governor? 10:51.484 --> 10:52.618 align:left position:12.5%,start line:5% size:77.5% >> I understand that argument. 10:52.718 --> 10:54.220 align:left position:27.5%,start line:5% size:62.5% That's a good prudential argument 10:54.320 --> 10:55.988 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% against putting handcuffs on the governor. 10:56.088 --> 10:57.490 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% This is not about that. The judges 10:57.590 --> 10:59.325 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% and this is where Berger is right about this. 10:59.425 --> 11:02.028 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% This is not the judge it's not the job of Supreme Court Justice 11:02.128 --> 11:04.563 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% to determine the best budget process. 11:04.664 --> 11:06.465 align:left position:12.5%,start line:5% size:77.5% Their job is only to determine 11:06.565 --> 11:08.167 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% whether the legislatures enactments 11:08.267 --> 11:10.236 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% the legislatures led legislation 11:10.336 --> 11:11.737 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% is consistent with the constitution 11:11.837 --> 11:14.306 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% or not say all of y'all are making good arguments 11:14.407 --> 11:16.342 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% as to why you might want to structure the budget process 11:16.442 --> 11:18.411 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% in a certain way that the governor does not have 11:18.511 --> 11:20.246 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% inherent constitutional authority -- 11:20.346 --> 11:24.250 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% >> So the legislature is coming back into town May 16th. 11:24.350 --> 11:27.953 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% some of you guys hang out around the legislature. 11:28.054 --> 11:29.288 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% >> Signing day for all of us. 11:29.388 --> 11:30.289 align:left position:37.5%,start line:5% size:52.5% [laughter] 11:30.389 --> 11:32.391 align:left position:27.5%,start line:5% size:62.5% >> Any indication what kind of items 11:32.491 --> 11:35.061 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% might be on the agenda when we come back. 11:35.161 --> 11:36.162 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% For instance judicial 11:36.262 --> 11:37.530 align:left position:27.5%,start line:5% size:62.5% redistricting are we going to see 11:37.630 --> 11:40.132 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% that the short session definitely heard a lot 11:40.232 --> 11:41.600 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% about judicial selection. 11:41.701 --> 11:44.570 align:left position:12.5%,start line:5% size:77.5% >> There's a huge conversation a lot of amendments 11:44.670 --> 11:46.739 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% has continued to continue to be push 11:46.839 --> 11:49.709 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% which is a constitutional constitutional amendment. 11:50.409 --> 11:53.045 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% They've been pushed back from special session special session 11:53.145 --> 11:56.382 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% and now being hopeful going to land in the short session. 11:56.482 --> 11:59.385 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% >> I think there may be three or four constitutional amendments 11:59.485 --> 12:01.053 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% on the ballot in November. 12:01.153 --> 12:04.590 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% >> Interesting. Well the war between the executive 12:04.690 --> 12:06.525 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% and legislative branches in North Carolina 12:06.625 --> 12:08.127 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% is not the only one going on. 12:08.227 --> 12:10.863 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% President Trump has taken a had line stance on our nation's 12:10.963 --> 12:13.065 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% imbalance between imports and exports. 12:13.599 --> 12:16.135 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% He's instituted tariffs on many foreign products 12:16.235 --> 12:17.603 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% coming into our country 12:17.703 --> 12:20.606 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% and some especially China are retaliating. 12:20.706 --> 12:24.076 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% Trump says he isn't shy about engaging in trade wars. 12:24.176 --> 12:27.480 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% But people in North Carolina are worried that these wars 12:27.580 --> 12:29.115 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% might make them casualties 12:29.215 --> 12:33.452 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% and even China seems intent to hurt those states 12:33.953 --> 12:37.123 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% and the state economies where Trump won in 2016. 12:38.157 --> 12:40.493 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% In our state the farmers particularly are concerned 12:40.593 --> 12:44.063 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% about exports of tobacco soybeans corn and poultry. 12:44.163 --> 12:47.933 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% Your organization AFP has come out in opposition 12:48.033 --> 12:49.401 align:left position:30%,start line:5% size:60% to these tariffs. Tell us why. 12:49.969 --> 12:51.937 align:left position:12.5%,start line:5% size:77.5% >> Well tariffs are a tax plan and simple. 12:52.037 --> 12:57.009 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% And we see that tariffs increase costs and decrease competition 12:57.109 --> 12:58.844 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% and really limit choices 12:58.944 --> 13:01.647 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% and it really takes a step backwards from the gains 13:01.747 --> 13:03.082 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% have been made by the jobs. 13:03.682 --> 13:07.887 align:left position:12.5%,start line:5% size:77.5% The tax cuts and Jobs Act that was signed in December of 2017 13:07.987 --> 13:12.458 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% where we have over 500 business businesses countrywide 13:12.558 --> 13:15.528 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% that are increasing salaries for their employees 13:15.628 --> 13:16.762 align:left position:27.5%,start line:5% size:62.5% and their workers. 13:16.862 --> 13:19.532 align:left position:27.5%,start line:5% size:62.5% And we have just we have 22 over 22 13:19.632 --> 13:23.068 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% in North Carolina from Apple to Chipotle 13:23.169 --> 13:25.137 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% who are seeing value in doing that. 13:25.805 --> 13:27.640 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% And we in North Carolina have history 13:27.740 --> 13:29.675 align:left position:12.5%,start line:5% size:77.5% that shows that lowering taxes 13:29.775 --> 13:31.811 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% and decreasing economic burden on businesses 13:31.911 --> 13:34.113 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% all businesses create a better environment. 13:34.213 --> 13:36.882 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% >> We're talking about $2.3 billion in products 13:36.982 --> 13:40.686 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% that we export to China and much of that is in agriculture. 13:40.786 --> 13:43.022 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% >> Here's the underreported story in the state 13:43.122 --> 13:44.890 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% of North Carolina in rural North Carolina. 13:44.990 --> 13:48.194 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% Right now our farmers are not only in a recession. 13:48.294 --> 13:50.129 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% Many of them are in a depression. 13:50.229 --> 13:52.565 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% They've had collapses in the soybean market 13:52.665 --> 13:55.234 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% the cotton market and tobacco in particular. 13:55.334 --> 13:58.537 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% So there are cash poor and trying to get credit 13:58.637 --> 14:01.106 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% from the traditional farm credit services Tom 14:01.207 --> 14:02.875 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% is like pulling hen's teeth. 14:02.975 --> 14:06.478 align:left position:27.5%,start line:5% size:62.5% >> Commodity prices have tanked -- 14:06.579 --> 14:09.114 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% >> Right, you add the threat of a tariff on soybeans 14:09.215 --> 14:11.517 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% and on pork products even though Smithfield's 14:11.617 --> 14:12.918 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% are biggest pork producers 14:13.018 --> 14:15.187 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% Chinese own, they'll will be hurting themselves 14:15.287 --> 14:17.523 align:left position:32.5%,start line:5% size:57.5% there is very threatening -- 14:17.623 --> 14:19.692 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% >> John you study economies quite a bit. 14:19.792 --> 14:21.026 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% You're our resident economists. 14:21.126 --> 14:23.696 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% >> I don't have that credential. 14:23.796 --> 14:26.632 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% >> But if this if these tariffs do go into effect 14:26.732 --> 14:28.200 align:left position:30%,start line:5% size:60% not only are they going to impact 14:28.300 --> 14:30.536 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% the agricultural sector of our economy 14:30.636 --> 14:32.338 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% it's going to play out all the way through 14:32.438 --> 14:34.106 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% North Carolina's economy is it not? 14:34.206 --> 14:36.275 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% >> Well it is and in fact we don't have to wonder 14:36.375 --> 14:38.711 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% whether the Chinese imposed tariffs will hurt 14:38.811 --> 14:40.646 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% North Carolina exporters. 14:40.746 --> 14:43.716 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% The American tariffs hurt North Carolina exports remember 14:43.816 --> 14:45.584 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% that some of our biggest export businesses you 14:45.684 --> 14:48.220 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% all talked about agriculture and that's important 14:48.320 --> 14:51.223 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% but we export a lot of motor vehicles 14:51.323 --> 14:53.025 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% and motor vehicle parts. We don't make cars. 14:53.125 --> 14:55.327 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% We make lots of trucks and tractors and so forth 14:55.427 --> 14:58.564 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% and we export aircraft and aircraft parts. 14:58.664 --> 15:00.766 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% These are industries that require 15:00.866 --> 15:03.302 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% affordable steel and aluminum 15:03.402 --> 15:05.037 align:left position:32.5%,start line:5% size:57.5% and to raise -- 15:05.137 --> 15:06.772 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% I mean there's a whole bunch of things 15:06.872 --> 15:09.708 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% that we're harming ourselves in the notion 15:09.808 --> 15:12.077 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% that we're going to ultimately help ourselves in North Carolina 15:12.177 --> 15:13.379 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% it's not a good plan. 15:13.479 --> 15:16.482 align:left position:12.5%,start line:5% size:77.5% >> Chris there are some people who are saying 15:17.049 --> 15:19.752 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% that Trump's actually right about this situation 15:19.852 --> 15:21.186 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% so far as China's concerned 15:21.287 --> 15:24.290 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% they don't practice fair trade practices 15:24.390 --> 15:25.858 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% and up to this point. 15:25.958 --> 15:28.928 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% Every president we've had has tried to negotiate tried 15:29.028 --> 15:32.798 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% to come up with solutions and Trump's the only one so far 15:32.898 --> 15:34.133 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% that's taken any action. 15:34.233 --> 15:36.101 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% >> Several things first of all I don't think anybody would argue 15:36.201 --> 15:37.803 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% that they engage in intellectual property 15:37.903 --> 15:39.972 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% theft talk to anybody in the tech world. 15:40.072 --> 15:44.009 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% >> SAS, Apple. All these people who develop programs China 15:44.109 --> 15:45.210 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% will imitate them steal them 15:45.311 --> 15:46.946 align:left position:27.5%,start line:5% size:62.5% and then sell them at cheaper prices. 15:47.513 --> 15:49.214 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% And we haven't figured out how to deal with that 15:49.315 --> 15:51.116 align:left position:12.5%,start line:5% size:77.5% on the tariff thing which is that this is fascinating to me 15:51.216 --> 15:52.751 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% because this is one area. 15:52.851 --> 15:56.655 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% President Trump I'm no fan but this is what he promised to do. 15:56.755 --> 15:58.023 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% He hasn't done it yet. 15:58.123 --> 16:01.293 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% He ran in many of these blue collar areas 16:01.393 --> 16:02.795 align:left position:27.5%,start line:5% size:62.5% manufacturing areas 16:02.895 --> 16:04.229 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% saying I'm going to put tariffs on these goods 16:04.330 --> 16:05.731 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% I'm going to protect American jobs. 16:05.831 --> 16:08.267 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% Now we can argue whether or not it will protect American jobs 16:08.367 --> 16:10.970 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% but everybody should have known this was coming. 16:11.070 --> 16:12.538 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% I do think the other thing that's interesting 16:12.638 --> 16:14.974 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% this gets into the free trade argument overall he's. 16:15.074 --> 16:16.909 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% He's complained about that free trade agreements. 16:17.009 --> 16:18.477 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% I do think he has a sympathetic audience 16:18.577 --> 16:21.313 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% among a broad spectrum of folks when he talks about NAFTA 16:21.413 --> 16:23.816 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% and TPP although now this past week he came back 16:23.916 --> 16:26.318 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% and said maybe we'll get back in it we'll do TPP after all. 16:26.418 --> 16:28.320 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% >> So I wonder if he realizes that Mexico is one of the 16:28.420 --> 16:30.389 align:left position:27.5%,start line:5% size:62.5% signators for TPP? 16:30.489 --> 16:33.859 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% >> Basically the bottom line is he doesn't have it 16:33.959 --> 16:35.728 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% doesn't seem to have any kind of coherent plan. 16:35.828 --> 16:37.930 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% That's the biggest issue. We can't even have an honest debate 16:38.030 --> 16:39.465 align:left position:27.5%,start line:5% size:62.5% because you start talking about trade 16:39.565 --> 16:41.300 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% and he's changed his position back and forth in a week. 16:41.400 --> 16:44.003 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% >> Brad the president says yes there will be 16:44.103 --> 16:45.604 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% some short term pain 16:46.405 --> 16:48.574 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% particularly in the agricultural sector. 16:49.775 --> 16:53.245 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% Then he turns around and he says but our farmers are patriots. 16:53.345 --> 16:56.515 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% Well I'm just wondering how patriotic are these farmers 16:56.615 --> 16:58.550 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% when their very lives existence 16:58.650 --> 17:00.119 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% and incomes are going to be threatened. 17:00.219 --> 17:04.523 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% >> Yeah I don't know and does the farmers rural North Carolina 17:04.623 --> 17:07.593 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% has been practically the base for Trump 17:07.693 --> 17:09.395 align:left position:27.5%,start line:5% size:62.5% here in the state of North Carolina. 17:09.495 --> 17:11.797 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% So it's definitely going to take a chunk 17:11.897 --> 17:14.800 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% out of their hide economic hide as they move forward. 17:14.900 --> 17:17.069 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% >> To reaffirm what you're saying, 17:17.169 --> 17:19.805 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% eighty five percent of North Carolina farmers are white. 17:20.406 --> 17:24.243 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% 87 percent are men. The average age is around 60. 17:25.244 --> 17:28.914 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% These have been Republican red voters for many years 17:29.014 --> 17:31.183 align:left position:27.5%,start line:5% size:62.5% in North Carolina. Is a trade war 17:31.283 --> 17:34.386 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% going to swing them into a blue territory Anna? 17:34.486 --> 17:36.155 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% >> I think they'll definitely think about it. 17:36.255 --> 17:39.158 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% A Quinnipiac poll that came out this past month said 17:39.258 --> 17:41.593 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% that two thirds of Americans think a trade war 17:41.693 --> 17:43.128 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% is bad for our economy. 17:43.228 --> 17:46.165 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% >> Yeah well it's not much of a transmission transition 17:46.265 --> 17:47.599 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% to move to our next topic 17:47.699 --> 17:49.034 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% and for weeks we're going to be asked to vote 17:49.134 --> 17:51.136 align:left position:12.5%,start line:5% size:77.5% in the 2018 primary elections. 17:51.236 --> 17:54.473 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% So far the only real excitement has come in the courtroom 17:54.573 --> 17:58.510 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% and not with ideological battles between candidates. 17:59.178 --> 18:02.548 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% Can't we expect these primary contests to ever heat up 18:02.648 --> 18:04.249 align:left position:12.5%,start line:5% size:77.5% is the fact that it's so quiet 18:05.184 --> 18:06.618 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% due to the fact that candidates 18:06.718 --> 18:08.420 align:left position:27.5%,start line:5% size:62.5% are having trouble raising money. 18:08.520 --> 18:11.423 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% They aren't any real issues in the contest 18:11.523 --> 18:14.193 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% or are they conducting their campaigns differently. 18:14.293 --> 18:15.527 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% You do this for a living. 18:15.627 --> 18:17.396 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% >> I think the campaigns are being conducted differently. 18:17.496 --> 18:19.698 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% You're seeing a lot more digital communications 18:19.798 --> 18:24.703 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% so much more communications on the various social platforms 18:25.204 --> 18:26.772 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% Facebook in particular 18:26.872 --> 18:28.674 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% and how they communicate with the post 18:28.774 --> 18:31.043 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% and then were paid advertising on Facebook. 18:31.143 --> 18:35.714 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% So it's not as visual as we've seen in the past. 18:35.814 --> 18:39.485 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% But Tom I will tell you I think he got some really hot primaries 18:39.585 --> 18:40.853 align:left position:30%,start line:5% size:60% across the state 18:40.953 --> 18:43.555 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% especially on the Republican side in Charlotte 18:43.655 --> 18:45.190 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% for example on the Democratic side 18:45.290 --> 18:48.727 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% the state Senate contest down there involving Senator 18:48.827 --> 18:51.630 align:left position:27.5%,start line:5% size:62.5% for the State House Rodney Moore. 18:51.730 --> 18:53.799 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% Those are hotly contested race. 18:53.899 --> 18:56.301 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% The there are several sheriffs races 18:56.401 --> 18:59.304 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% the Chatham County Sheriff's race Pitt County sheriff's 18:59.404 --> 19:01.473 align:left position:27.5%,start line:5% size:62.5% race Duplin County sheriff's race. 19:01.573 --> 19:03.575 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% >> And I want to get into more of that in a minute 19:03.675 --> 19:05.010 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% if you don't mind Chris. 19:06.278 --> 19:07.980 align:left position:27.5%,start line:5% size:62.5% >> Let's talk about the Supreme Court 19:08.080 --> 19:10.516 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% ruling that came down a short while ago 19:10.616 --> 19:14.019 align:left position:30%,start line:5% size:60% that essentially changed the face 19:14.119 --> 19:16.155 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% of this primary election from the standpoint 19:16.255 --> 19:17.656 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% that the U.S. Supreme Court 19:17.756 --> 19:20.025 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% said that the redistricting 19:20.125 --> 19:23.028 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% and the maps were drawn primarily by Nate Persily. 19:23.128 --> 19:25.697 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% The professor from out in California 19:25.797 --> 19:29.334 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% could be used with the exception of Wake 19:29.434 --> 19:30.903 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% and Mecklenburg County now. 19:31.570 --> 19:33.906 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% So what's going to happen there we're going to go back 19:34.006 --> 19:35.374 align:left position:30%,start line:5% size:60% to the 2011 maps 19:35.474 --> 19:38.110 align:left position:12.5%,start line:5% size:77.5% are we going to go to the maps that the legislature drew 19:38.210 --> 19:41.747 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% after the maps were declared racially biased. 19:41.847 --> 19:43.182 align:left position:12.5%,start line:5% size:77.5% What are we going to be using. 19:43.282 --> 19:44.883 align:left position:27.5%,start line:5% size:62.5% >> Well think again I'm not positive 19:44.983 --> 19:46.285 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% I think we're going to use the maps that were drawn 19:46.385 --> 19:48.120 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% by the legislature not the judge 19:48.220 --> 19:49.655 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% I mean that's what the ruling is counting 19:49.755 --> 19:51.290 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% in those counties right and this is in the counties. 19:51.390 --> 19:53.725 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% >> But here's the real issue -- >> They've asked for a stay. 19:53.825 --> 19:57.429 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% >> We're probably past that, we've got the maps. 19:57.529 --> 19:59.364 align:left position:12.5%,start line:5% size:77.5% >> The interesting thing about this whole one of the things 19:59.464 --> 20:00.766 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% they haven't talked about and you just hit on it 20:00.866 --> 20:02.467 align:left position:12.5%,start line:5% size:77.5% one reason why other primaries haven't heated up 20:02.568 --> 20:04.636 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% is something a lot of people candidates a lot of other folks 20:04.736 --> 20:05.904 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% didn't know what district they were going to be 20:06.004 --> 20:07.406 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% and there a lot of uncertainty. 20:07.506 --> 20:09.775 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% The second thing is there are some isolated primaries 20:09.875 --> 20:12.945 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% but this entire election is about I think 20:13.045 --> 20:15.480 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% and Republicans are going to try to make it about something else 20:15.581 --> 20:18.016 align:left position:12.5%,start line:5% size:77.5% is about the direction of the country under President Trump. 20:18.116 --> 20:19.551 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% He's sucking all the for the wind 20:19.651 --> 20:21.620 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% and there are so many people used to follow state politics 20:21.720 --> 20:23.121 align:left position:27.5%,start line:5% size:62.5% and they still do. 20:23.222 --> 20:24.289 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% But when I asked them the first thing they want to talk about 20:24.389 --> 20:26.091 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% is what is Trump doing today. 20:26.191 --> 20:27.893 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% And that's it. That's a big it's going to be a big issue 20:27.993 --> 20:29.828 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% but this whole campaign >> A.B. do you agree with that? 20:29.928 --> 20:31.163 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% >> This is all about Trump. 20:31.797 --> 20:34.066 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% >> I think it's not going to be about Trump actually. 20:34.166 --> 20:36.802 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% What's interesting to me is that it feels like 20:36.902 --> 20:38.337 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% we're in the eye of a hurricane 20:38.437 --> 20:39.871 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% and we know something is coming. 20:40.539 --> 20:43.008 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% We've seen across the country focus on different races 20:43.108 --> 20:44.943 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% whether it's the Virginia governor's race 20:45.043 --> 20:46.845 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% or the Wisconsin judicial race. 20:46.945 --> 20:50.148 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% Lots of focus is being shifted around the country. 20:50.249 --> 20:51.583 align:left position:27.5%,start line:5% size:62.5% But waiting for it to happen here 20:51.683 --> 20:54.386 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% is definitely something that is top on the list. 20:54.486 --> 20:55.988 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% >> I like your analogy. 20:56.088 --> 20:58.190 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% We're in the it's kind of quiet there in the eye. 20:58.290 --> 20:59.591 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% The winds are blowing all over. 21:00.626 --> 21:04.796 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% So let's do get to some of these particular races. 21:04.896 --> 21:06.798 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% Brad you mentioned some of them I think one of them 21:06.898 --> 21:10.736 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% this is the particularly related to white count 21:10.836 --> 21:12.638 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% is House District 11 John 21:12.738 --> 21:14.806 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% where we've got Dwayne Hall a Democrat 21:14.906 --> 21:16.308 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% facing two challengers. 21:17.509 --> 21:19.077 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% Lot of noise made about the fat 21:19.177 --> 21:21.346 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% he's been accused of sexual harassment 21:21.446 --> 21:22.781 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% a claim that he denies. 21:23.315 --> 21:25.250 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% The governor and many prominent Democrats 21:25.350 --> 21:28.654 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% have asked him to step down but he's refused. 21:29.955 --> 21:32.524 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% How might that affect his election. 21:32.624 --> 21:35.260 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% >> Well there's is just one challenger now. 21:35.360 --> 21:36.762 align:left position:12.5%,start line:5% size:77.5% So it's a it's a two way race. 21:36.862 --> 21:41.066 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% But I would say that race got a lot of initial attention. 21:41.166 --> 21:43.735 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% I think he has not given up on winning that primary. 21:43.835 --> 21:45.837 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% And I wouldn't count it out entirely. 21:47.005 --> 21:48.607 align:left position:27.5%,start line:5% size:62.5% But there are there are many race 21:48.707 --> 21:50.542 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% and I agree with Brad about that nature. 21:50.642 --> 21:52.711 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% Like I'm not the target audience for that race. 21:52.811 --> 21:54.146 align:left position:30%,start line:5% size:60% I haven't gotten all the messaging 21:54.680 --> 21:56.848 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% but I've been watching some of the other primaries 21:56.948 --> 21:58.016 align:left position:30%,start line:5% size:60% around the state 21:58.116 --> 22:00.719 align:left position:27.5%,start line:5% size:62.5% that are vicious and very emotional 22:00.819 --> 22:03.955 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% and lot you know you know 150 comments on face. 22:04.056 --> 22:05.557 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% There are lots of very active primaries. 22:05.657 --> 22:07.959 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% It's just there isn't as much news media attention 22:08.060 --> 22:09.761 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% to some of these legislative news media. 22:09.861 --> 22:11.229 align:left position:37.5%,start line:5% size:52.5% Absolutely. 22:11.330 --> 22:13.665 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% >> I want to I want to get a couple of other things. 22:13.765 --> 22:16.802 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% Number one the Rucho election 22:16.902 --> 22:19.938 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% obviously is something -- >> Four candidates in that race. 22:20.038 --> 22:21.640 align:left position:12.5%,start line:5% size:77.5% >> And it is worth remembering that he used to live 22:21.740 --> 22:23.208 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% in Charlotte moving Iredell county and he's 22:23.308 --> 22:25.077 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% running in a district -- >> The race I really want 22:25.177 --> 22:26.611 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% to talk about as a congressional race. 22:26.712 --> 22:27.946 align:left position:12.5%,start line:5% size:77.5% >> I think that's the only one 22:28.046 --> 22:30.916 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% that is the 3rd District congressional race. 22:31.016 --> 22:36.221 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% >> Walter Jones running against a Craven County commissioner 22:36.321 --> 22:39.157 align:left position:12.5%,start line:5% size:77.5% and a Marine and a >> Had a big blow up this week 22:40.258 --> 22:43.195 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% over I can't remember what the issue was but 22:43.295 --> 22:44.796 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% >> It doesn't matter really. 22:46.665 --> 22:49.634 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% >> Well no doubt we'll be talking about this more 22:49.735 --> 22:51.536 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% as we get closer to the May 8 primaries 22:51.636 --> 22:55.474 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% but I right now have to stop and ask the question 22:55.574 --> 22:58.143 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% that the viewers would be irate if I didn't get to 22:58.243 --> 23:00.245 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% and that is tell us something we don't know, John Hood. 23:00.345 --> 23:04.216 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% >> The taxpayers of North Carolina appropriate 23:04.316 --> 23:06.318 align:left position:27.5%,start line:5% size:62.5% about ten thousand dollars per student 23:06.418 --> 23:08.220 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% on average in the UNC system. 23:09.054 --> 23:11.690 align:left position:12.5%,start line:5% size:77.5% This is current. This is not - well it used to be that way. 23:11.790 --> 23:14.159 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% It has been radically cut by the radical Republicans. 23:14.693 --> 23:17.696 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% It is still depending by how you compute at the second 23:17.796 --> 23:20.065 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% or fifth highest level of state 23:20.165 --> 23:22.300 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% spending on universities in the United States. 23:22.401 --> 23:25.604 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% In North Carolina the taxpayers are extremely generous 23:25.704 --> 23:27.172 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% to the University of North Carolina system 23:27.739 --> 23:29.141 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% by national standards. 23:29.241 --> 23:30.375 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% >> Tell us something we don't know. 23:30.475 --> 23:32.711 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% >> National Crime Victims Rights Week. 23:32.811 --> 23:35.213 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% And one of the constitutional amendments we were talking about 23:35.313 --> 23:36.915 align:left position:27.5%,start line:5% size:62.5% that's going to be under consideration 23:37.015 --> 23:39.184 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% in the state Senate will be Marcy's Law. 23:39.284 --> 23:41.686 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% Whether or not victims of crime in North Carolina 23:41.787 --> 23:44.589 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% have constitutional rights. >> Get compensated for it. 23:44.689 --> 23:46.591 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% Anna Beavon tell us something we don't know. 23:46.691 --> 23:49.494 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% >> This week CEO of Facebook Mark Zuckerberg 23:49.594 --> 23:50.896 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% testified before both House 23:50.996 --> 23:53.398 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% and Senate congressional committees 23:53.498 --> 23:55.867 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% and mixed reaction across the Internet. 23:55.967 --> 23:59.504 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% But what's the big takeaway that his stock for Facebook 23:59.604 --> 24:02.841 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% went up 4.5 percent which is a large state game it happened t. 24:02.941 --> 24:04.109 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% >> Interesting Chris. 24:04.209 --> 24:05.710 align:left position:17.5%,start line:5% size:72.5% Fitzsimon tell us something we don't know. 24:05.811 --> 24:07.345 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% >> Talking about the campaigns and I'm not saying I believe it 24:07.446 --> 24:09.080 align:left position:27.5%,start line:5% size:62.5% but there are a lot of Democratic folks 24:09.181 --> 24:10.816 align:left position:25%,start line:5% size:65% saying at events now 24:10.916 --> 24:12.617 align:left position:22.5%,start line:5% size:67.5% that they're they think they're going to break 24:12.717 --> 24:14.286 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% not only break the super majority in the House 24:14.386 --> 24:16.121 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% but they're starting to think they have an outside chance 24:16.221 --> 24:17.656 align:left position:20%,start line:5% size:70% of taking the state House 24:17.756 --> 24:19.524 align:left position:10%,start line:5% size:80% which would dramatically change the calculus in North Carolina. 24:19.624 --> 24:22.494 align:left position:12.5%,start line:5% size:77.5% I'm not I'm a believer yet but the fact that that's being 24:22.594 --> 24:24.563 align:left position:15%,start line:5% size:75% that's the rhetoric out there is sort of interesting. 24:24.663 --> 24:26.131 align:left position:32.5%,start line:5% 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