1 00:00:01,034 --> 00:00:03,036 [UPBEAT MUSIC] 2 00:00:03,570 --> 00:00:05,205 - [ANNOUNCER] THIS IS NC SPIN, 3 00:00:05,305 --> 00:00:07,607 AN UNREHEARSED DISCUSSION ON ISSUES OF INTEREST 4 00:00:07,707 --> 00:00:09,075 TO NORTH CAROLINIANS. 5 00:00:09,175 --> 00:00:12,612 NOW, HERE IS YOUR MODERATOR, TOM CAMPBELL. 6 00:00:15,215 --> 00:00:17,250 THANK YOU FOR JOINING THIS WEEK'S NC SPIN. 7 00:00:17,350 --> 00:00:19,319 THERE IS MUCH TO TALK ABOUT THIS WEEK INCLUDING 8 00:00:19,419 --> 00:00:23,590 A DISTURBING DOWNWARD TREND IN FIGHTING COVID-19. 9 00:00:23,690 --> 00:00:26,493 WE TALK ABOUT THAT PLUS ORDERS TO CLOSE A SPEEDWAY. 10 00:00:26,593 --> 00:00:28,762 WE WILL LOOK AT SEVERAL PROPOSALS IN RESPONSE TO 11 00:00:28,862 --> 00:00:31,765 RACIAL VIOLENCE AND ASK HOW THINGS MIGHT CHANGE 12 00:00:31,865 --> 00:00:33,900 AND WE LOOK AT NEW GUIDELINES FOR SENDING OUR 13 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:35,969 CHILDREN BACK TO SCHOOL AND WANT TO KNOW 14 00:00:36,069 --> 00:00:37,137 IF THEY CAN BE SAFE. 15 00:00:37,237 --> 00:00:39,839 PLUS OUR PANEL WILL TELL US SOMETHING WE DON'T KNOW. 16 00:00:40,340 --> 00:00:41,608 JOINING OUR PANEL THIS WEEK ARE: 17 00:00:42,275 --> 00:00:45,745 CHRIS FITZSIMON, DIRECTOR, OF THE STATES NEWSROOM 18 00:00:45,845 --> 00:00:50,116 ANNA BEAVON GRAVELY, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF NC FREE 19 00:00:50,216 --> 00:00:52,385 HOWARD LEE, FORMER STATE SENATOR 20 00:00:52,485 --> 00:00:56,456 AND FORMER CHAIRMAN OF THE STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION 21 00:00:56,556 --> 00:00:59,793 AND JOHN HOOD, SYNDICATED COLUMNIST AND AUTHOR. 22 00:00:59,893 --> 00:01:02,095 WE WILL BEGIN OUR UNINTERRUPTED DISCUSSION 23 00:01:02,195 --> 00:01:04,864 AFTER THESE BRIEF MESSAGES FROM OUR UNDERWRITERS. 24 00:01:05,665 --> 00:01:07,400 IN MORE THAN 21 YEARS ON NC SPIN, 25 00:01:07,500 --> 00:01:09,736 I NEVER ENDORSED A PRODUCT OR SPONSORED 26 00:01:09,836 --> 00:01:13,573 BUT I VOLUNTEERED TO DO THIS MESSAGE FOR FAMILY PHYSICIANS. 27 00:01:13,673 --> 00:01:15,008 OVER THE PAST 40 YEARS, 28 00:01:15,108 --> 00:01:17,811 MY FAMILY DOCTOR COULD QUICKLY DIAGNOSE MY ILLNESSES 29 00:01:17,911 --> 00:01:19,846 BECAUSE HE KNEW MY MEDICAL HISTORY. 30 00:01:19,946 --> 00:01:21,881 EVIDENCE SUGGESTS I'LL LIVE LONGER, 31 00:01:21,981 --> 00:01:23,383 HAVE A HIGHER QUALITY OF LIFE 32 00:01:23,483 --> 00:01:26,019 AND SAVE 33% ON HEALTH CARE COSTS. 33 00:01:26,119 --> 00:01:27,754 I BELIEVE IN MY TRUSTED RELATIONSHIP 34 00:01:27,854 --> 00:01:29,489 WITH MY FAMILY PHYSICIAN. 35 00:01:29,589 --> 00:01:30,757 - [ANNOUNCER] FAMILY PHYSICIANS, 36 00:01:30,857 --> 00:01:33,626 YOUR TRUSTED HEALTH CARE ADVISOR FOR LIFE. 37 00:01:36,329 --> 00:01:37,697 [UPBEAT MUSIC] 38 00:01:37,797 --> 00:01:39,599 - [ANNOUNCER] LIFE'S BUSY, BUT YOU'RE IN CONTROL. 39 00:01:39,699 --> 00:01:41,267 AS AN ELECTRIC COOPERATIVE MEMBER, 40 00:01:41,367 --> 00:01:43,036 YOU HAVE ACCESS TO LOTS OF TOOLS 41 00:01:43,136 --> 00:01:45,839 TO HELP MANAGE YOUR HOME ENERGY USE AND BUDGET 42 00:01:45,939 --> 00:01:49,175 SO YOU CAN FOCUS ON WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT. 43 00:01:50,743 --> 00:01:52,879 >> BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE WANT TO WELCOME NICK FUCHS 44 00:01:52,979 --> 00:01:55,548 BACK TO THE PRODUCER'S CHAIR OF OUR SHOW. 45 00:01:55,648 --> 00:01:56,649 WE'VE MISSED HIM. 46 00:01:56,749 --> 00:01:57,851 LET'S GET BEGIN THE SPIN. 47 00:01:57,951 --> 00:02:00,453 ON MAY 22ND NORTH CAROLINA ENTERED INTO PHASE TWO OF 48 00:02:00,553 --> 00:02:05,058 REOPENING. IT WOULD TAKE ABOUT 14 DAYS TO SEE THE 49 00:02:05,158 --> 00:02:07,627 EFFECTS OF THESE SMALL STEPS. 50 00:02:07,727 --> 00:02:10,130 OVER THE LAST WEEK WE SAW THOSE EFFECTS... 51 00:02:10,230 --> 00:02:12,398 A SURGE IN NUMBERS OF CASES, INCREASE IN THE 52 00:02:12,499 --> 00:02:15,335 PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE TESTING POSITIVE AND A BIG 53 00:02:15,435 --> 00:02:17,770 JUMP IN THE NUMBER OF HOSPITALIZATIONS DUE TO 54 00:02:17,871 --> 00:02:19,072 COVID-19. 55 00:02:19,172 --> 00:02:21,641 HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES SECRETARY MANDY COHEN SAID 56 00:02:21,741 --> 00:02:24,844 OUR TRENDS WERE GOING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION AND WE 57 00:02:24,944 --> 00:02:27,313 NEEDED TO CONTINUE TO WORK TO KEEP FROM OVERWHELMING 58 00:02:27,413 --> 00:02:28,448 OUR HEALTHCARE SYSTEM. 59 00:02:29,048 --> 00:02:30,917 ANNA BEAVON, ONE OF THE BIG 60 00:02:31,017 --> 00:02:34,020 STORIES THIS WEEK WAS THAT THE ACE SPEEDWAY IN 61 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,689 ALAMANCE COUNTY HAD A SECOND INSTANCE OF 62 00:02:36,789 --> 00:02:40,260 DISOBEYING EXECUTIVE ORDERS AND HAD 2,000 FANS 63 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,162 AT A RACE LAST SATURDAY NIGHT. 64 00:02:42,262 --> 00:02:44,864 GOVERNOR COOPER SAID LOCAL AUTHORITIES WOULDN'T 65 00:02:44,964 --> 00:02:47,467 ENFORCE THE PHASE TWO ORDER AND HE DECLARED THE 66 00:02:47,567 --> 00:02:50,770 SPEEDWAY AN IMMINENT DANGER AND ORDERED IT CLOSED. 67 00:02:50,870 --> 00:02:53,473 THE SPEEDWAY SAYS IT WON'T COMPLY. 68 00:02:53,573 --> 00:02:56,142 THE STATE HAS FILED FOR A TRO. 69 00:02:56,242 --> 00:02:59,245 THE JUDGE GRANTED IT, YOUR REACTION TO ALL OF THIS? 70 00:03:00,079 --> 00:03:02,148 >> WELL THE BIG TAKE AWAY FROM ME IS THAT THE PEOPLE OF NORTH 71 00:03:02,248 --> 00:03:05,752 CAROLINA ARE JUST TIRED. THEY ARE TIRED OF BEING TOLD TO SIT 72 00:03:05,852 --> 00:03:09,889 AND WAIT AND BE PATIENT, SIT AND WAIT AND BE PATIENT. AS 73 00:03:09,989 --> 00:03:13,693 BUSINESSES CONTINUE TO GO UNDER AND UNEMPLOYMENT CLIMBS AND IT 74 00:03:13,793 --> 00:03:15,728 SORT OF JUST FEELS LIKE WE'RE PLAYING THE ROLE OF THE 75 00:03:15,828 --> 00:03:19,399 STEREOTYPICAL RESTRICTED HIGH SCHOOLER THAT THE MOMENT THEY 76 00:03:19,499 --> 00:03:23,036 GET TO COLLEGE, THEY GO WILD WITH EXCITEMENT 77 00:03:23,136 --> 00:03:27,640 AND THE FREEDOM THAT EXISTS. AND IT TURNS OUT THAT IF THE 78 00:03:27,740 --> 00:03:30,843 GOVERNOR AND HIS ADMINISTRATION CONTINUES TO 79 00:03:30,944 --> 00:03:33,680 TELL US TO SIT AND WAIT AND BE PATIENT, WE'RE GOING TO SEE 80 00:03:33,780 --> 00:03:36,216 MORE OF THIS. 81 00:03:36,316 --> 00:03:38,685 >> LIKE THE FELLOW SAID LORD GIVE ME PATIENCE AND I WANT IT 82 00:03:38,785 --> 00:03:42,622 RIGHT NOW. HOWARD THE SPEEDWAY OWNER SAID THAT COOPER'S 83 00:03:42,722 --> 00:03:46,492 EXECUTIVE ORDER WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL. JUDGE TOM 84 00:03:46,593 --> 00:03:51,164 LAMBETH JR. DIDN'T APPEAR TO ADDRESS THAT CHARGE, BUT HE DID 85 00:03:51,264 --> 00:03:54,334 ISSUE THE RESTRAINING ORDER AND SAY HE WOULD TAKE THIS ISSUE 86 00:03:54,434 --> 00:03:56,469 BACK UP JUNE 19TH. 87 00:03:56,569 --> 00:03:58,871 THIS COULD BE A PRETTY IMPORTANT HEARING, COULDN'T IT? 88 00:03:58,972 --> 00:04:01,941 ISN'T GOING TO FOCUS ON THE CONSTITUTIONALITY OF THE 89 00:04:02,041 --> 00:04:05,144 GOVERNOR TO ISSUE ORDERS? 90 00:04:05,245 --> 00:04:07,180 >> I THINK IT POSSIBLY COULD. 91 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,783 I DO THINK THE GOVERNOR IS ON SOLID GROUND. 92 00:04:10,883 --> 00:04:14,621 I THINK WHAT HAPPENED AT THAT SPEEDWAY IS WHAT I THOUGHT 93 00:04:14,721 --> 00:04:17,257 SHOULD BE DONE ACROSS THE BOARD ANYWAY, IS THE GOVERNOR AND 94 00:04:17,357 --> 00:04:21,728 HIS STAFF SET STANDARDS, EXPECT PEOPLE TO LIVE UP TO THOSE 95 00:04:21,828 --> 00:04:25,098 STANDARDS AND THEN LET THEM MAKE THE DECISION WITHIN THAT 96 00:04:25,198 --> 00:04:28,635 GUIDELINE AND IF THEY DON'T, COME DOWN HARD ON THEM. 97 00:04:28,735 --> 00:04:30,903 SO IN THE CASE OF THE SPEEDWAY 98 00:04:31,004 --> 00:04:32,105 THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED AND I THINK THE 99 00:04:32,205 --> 00:04:34,307 GOVERNOR'S ON SOLID GROUND. BUT CERTAINLY THINK THAT 100 00:04:34,407 --> 00:04:37,910 HEARING IS GOING TO BE AN IMPORTANT DECISION FOR 101 00:04:38,011 --> 00:04:40,947 SETTING THE STAGE FOR OUR FUTURE AND HOW GOVERNMENTS CAN BEHAVE. 102 00:04:41,047 --> 00:04:43,816 >> JOHN THE OWNERS OF THE SPEEDWAY SAID THEY WERE BEING 103 00:04:43,916 --> 00:04:46,085 SINGLED OUT. 104 00:04:46,185 --> 00:04:49,455 IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE AND THAT OTHER PEOPLE WERE 105 00:04:49,555 --> 00:04:53,960 CONDUCTING RACES AND BIG EVENTS AND SO FORTH LIKE THAT. 106 00:04:54,060 --> 00:04:58,331 IS THIS EVIDENCE WE'RE SEEING ALAMANCE COUNTY WITH A BIG 107 00:04:58,431 --> 00:05:02,635 SPIKE IN THE NUMBER OF CASES, THE NUMBER OF HOSPITALIZATIONS 108 00:05:02,735 --> 00:05:07,407 REQUIRED, IS THIS EVIDENCE FROM THE RACE AND THEY HELD 2 WEEKS 109 00:05:07,507 --> 00:05:12,478 AGO, IS THIS GOING TO YIELD BIG SPIKES AGAIN? 110 00:05:12,578 --> 00:05:16,549 >> I DOUBT IT BECAUSE IT DIDN'T DO IT THE FIRST TIME. THE SPIKES 111 00:05:16,649 --> 00:05:19,452 DO NOT APPEAR TO BE RELATED TO THE RACING OF ALAMANCE 112 00:05:19,552 --> 00:05:24,090 COUNTY. I THINK THAT THE BEST ARGUMENT THE RACETRACK 113 00:05:24,190 --> 00:05:27,493 FOLKS HAVE IS THE SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT ARGUMENT, THAT THEY 114 00:05:27,593 --> 00:05:31,364 WERE TARGETED OTHER RACETRACKS INCLUDING THE NASCAR RACE, 115 00:05:31,464 --> 00:05:34,767 THE NASCAR RACE DID NOT HAVE A LARGE AUDIENCE, IT STILL HAD 116 00:05:34,867 --> 00:05:39,038 HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE TOGETHER IN AN OUTDOOR VENUE WHICH IS 117 00:05:39,138 --> 00:05:42,208 LIKE APPARENT VIOLATION OF THE GOVERNOR'S ORDER. AND YET IT 118 00:05:42,308 --> 00:05:46,079 WAS DONE IN CONJUNCTION IN NEGOTIATION WITH THE 119 00:05:46,179 --> 00:05:49,082 ADMINISTRATION. I THINK THAT IS THE VULNERABILITY PROBABLY NOT 120 00:05:49,182 --> 00:05:51,417 THE CONSTITUTIONAL ARGUMENT AT THIS MOMENT, BUT IT'S A 121 00:05:51,517 --> 00:05:54,420 SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT ARGUMENT THAT IF ANYTHING WERE TO 122 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:55,755 PREVAIL IT WOULD BE THAT ONE. 123 00:05:55,855 --> 00:05:58,358 >> FOLLOWING UP ON THAT CHRIS DOES THAT MEAN WE'RE GOING TO 124 00:05:58,458 --> 00:06:03,262 SEE THE SAME KIND OF ORDERS BEING ISSUED OTHER SPEEDWAYS 125 00:06:03,363 --> 00:06:07,300 AND OTHER VENUES. PEOPLE DISOBEYING THE EXECUTIVE 126 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:08,568 ORDERS. 127 00:06:08,668 --> 00:06:10,770 >> WELL, I GUESS THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE I THINK PART OF 128 00:06:10,870 --> 00:06:14,707 THE CHALLENGE HERE AS A BED AND SAID ARE EXAMPLES LIKE THE 129 00:06:14,807 --> 00:06:17,910 PEOPLE ON SPRING WHAT PEOPLE GET GOING TO THE UNIVERSITY OR 130 00:06:18,010 --> 00:06:20,646 PEOPLE GOING TO COLLEGE AND WANTED TO BE FREE AND ALL THAT 131 00:06:20,747 --> 00:06:23,082 THE ONLY PROBLEM IS WE'RE DEALING WITH A DEADLY 132 00:06:23,182 --> 00:06:25,952 INFECTIOUS DISEASE. WE HAVE RECORD NUMBERS OF 133 00:06:26,052 --> 00:06:28,921 HOSPITALIZATIONS FOR SEVERAL DAYS IN A ROW, AND WHAT'S SO 134 00:06:29,021 --> 00:06:31,657 STUNNING TO ME AND WHILE THAT'S ALL GOING ON WE'RE DEBATING ALL 135 00:06:31,758 --> 00:06:34,627 THIS SOME OF THE SAME PEOPLE WHO DEMAND THAT WE HAVE NO 136 00:06:34,727 --> 00:06:38,398 RESTRICTIONS OR DEMAND THAT WE OPEN, REFUSED TO WEAR MASKS TO 137 00:06:38,498 --> 00:06:41,033 PROTECT OTHER PEOPLE WHICH IS THE SINGLE NOW MOST IMPORTANT 138 00:06:41,134 --> 00:06:44,003 THING WE CAN DO. THIS IS EVEN SPREAD PRIMARILY THROUGH 139 00:06:44,103 --> 00:06:46,406 PERSONAL CONTACTS. YOU PROTECT OTHER PEOPLE BY WEARING MASKS WE 140 00:06:46,506 --> 00:06:50,810 HAVE LEADERS AND ADVOCATES WHO ARE THING WE NEED TO OPEN 141 00:06:50,910 --> 00:06:53,546 BUSINESSES THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WILL IF WE'RE GOING TO DO 142 00:06:53,646 --> 00:06:56,449 IT FOR GOODNESS SAKES WHY CAN'T WE DO IT SAFELY? I'M STILL 143 00:06:56,549 --> 00:06:59,152 PERPLEXED THAT WE SEE PICTURES AND IMAGES ALL OVER 144 00:06:59,252 --> 00:07:01,821 THE PLACE OF PEOPLE BESIDE EACH OTHER THEY THINK SOMEHOW IT'S 145 00:07:01,921 --> 00:07:04,690 NOT MANLY TO WEAR A MASK TO PROTECT YOUR NEIGHBOR. 146 00:07:04,791 --> 00:07:07,660 >> ANNA BEAVON THIS WAS NOT THE ONLY RESTRAINING ORDER THAT WAS 147 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:12,198 SOUGHT THIS PAST WEEK, SEVERAL OWNERS OF GYMS TRIED TO GET A 148 00:07:12,298 --> 00:07:16,502 RESTRAINING ORDER TO KEEP UP A GOVERNOR COOPER FROM REFUSING 149 00:07:16,602 --> 00:07:21,140 TO LET THEM OPEN. AND THE JUDGE WOULD NOT GRANT THAT 150 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:25,778 RESTRAINING ORDER IN THE MEANTIME THE LEGISLATURE 151 00:07:25,878 --> 00:07:31,751 PASSED A BILL WHICH SAID GYMS AND BARS COULD OPEN. IT'S 152 00:07:31,851 --> 00:07:35,421 SITTING ON GOVERNOR COOPER'S DESK. THEY DIDN'T WRITE OR TO 153 00:07:35,521 --> 00:07:38,291 OVERRIDE THE VETO. THE FIRST TIME AROUND WHEN GOVERNOR 154 00:07:38,391 --> 00:07:42,995 COOPER VETOED IT ARE THEY GOING TO OVERRIDE THIS BILL FROM HIS 155 00:07:43,095 --> 00:07:45,465 THE DETAILER GOING TO TEMPT OVERRIDE IT. 156 00:07:45,565 --> 00:07:46,866 >> I THINK THEY'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO 157 00:07:46,966 --> 00:07:48,501 ATTEMPT TO OVERRIDE THIS ONE, 158 00:07:48,601 --> 00:07:51,671 I THINK THE FIRST ONE WAS A CHANCE FOR THE GOVERNOR TO 159 00:07:51,771 --> 00:07:54,273 PLAY NICE WITH THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OR THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY 160 00:07:54,373 --> 00:07:57,910 TO PLAY NICE WITH THE GOVERNOR. WHEN IT COMES TO GETTING MORE 161 00:07:58,010 --> 00:08:01,113 OF NORTH CAROLINA BACK TO WORK. BUT I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE 162 00:08:01,214 --> 00:08:04,317 ONE OF THOSE TIMES WHERE THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY US GOING 163 00:08:04,417 --> 00:08:06,452 MAKE THIS A REALITY. 164 00:08:06,552 --> 00:08:09,689 >> HOWARD YOU SAT IN THAT CHAMBER FOR MANY YEARS. CAN THEY 165 00:08:09,789 --> 00:08:13,092 GET THE 3/5THS VOTE THAT THEY NEED TO OVERRIDE THE VETO IN 166 00:08:13,192 --> 00:08:15,194 BOTH HOUSES? 167 00:08:15,294 --> 00:08:18,431 >> I DON'T THINK SO AND I'M NOT SURE THAT IT WILL BE A SMART 168 00:08:18,531 --> 00:08:22,835 THING TO DO. YOU CAN QUESTION THE SYSTEM THE GOVERNOR IS 169 00:08:22,935 --> 00:08:26,172 USING IN THE PROCESS OF MAKING THESE DECISIONS. BUT AT THE 170 00:08:26,272 --> 00:08:30,810 SAME TIME AS CHRIS SAID THIS IS A VERY DEADLY DISEASE. AND I'M 171 00:08:30,910 --> 00:08:33,980 JUST DISAPPOINTED THAT MANY OF THE INFLUENTIAL LEADERS DON'T 172 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:38,117 THEMSELVES EVEN WEAR THE MASK TO PROTECT THEMSELVES. SO WHEN 173 00:08:38,217 --> 00:08:41,153 I LOOK AT THE LEGISLATIVE CHAMBER, I CERTAINLY THINK THAT 174 00:08:41,254 --> 00:08:44,724 THEY'RE GOING TO BE A CLOSE CALL. IF I WAS SITTING THERE I 175 00:08:44,824 --> 00:08:47,660 WOULD NOT VOTE TO OVERRIDE. I THINK IT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAT 176 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,329 PEOPLE'S HEALTH THAN IT IS TO TRY 177 00:08:50,429 --> 00:08:52,965 AND OVERRIDE A VETO AT THIS POINT. 178 00:08:53,065 --> 00:08:55,935 >> BUT THEY HAD SOME DEMOCRATS VOTES IN PASSING THIS 179 00:08:56,035 --> 00:08:58,671 INITIATION TO BEGIN WITH DIDN'T THEY JOHN? 180 00:08:58,771 --> 00:09:01,841 >> THEY DID. IN FACT I THINK THE I WOULD BE OVER IN THE SENATE 181 00:09:01,941 --> 00:09:04,677 JUST A QUESTION OF WHETHER WILL BE OVERRIDDEN IN THE HOUSE. 182 00:09:04,777 --> 00:09:06,045 I THINK IT'S AT LEAST CONCEIVABLE THAT 183 00:09:06,145 --> 00:09:07,980 IT COULD BE OVERRIDDEN. 184 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:12,552 THIS REVISED LEGISLATION ALLOWS THE GOVERNOR TO REENACT 185 00:09:12,652 --> 00:09:16,122 THIS TIME I HOPE ACTUALLY THE LAW WOULD MAKE IT CLEARER THAT 186 00:09:16,222 --> 00:09:19,492 HE WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW THE ORIGINAL STATUTE WHICH INVOLVES 187 00:09:19,592 --> 00:09:21,761 COUNCIL STATE APPROVAL. 188 00:09:21,861 --> 00:09:25,765 BUT I THINK THE BOTTOM LINE HERE IS PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT 189 00:09:25,865 --> 00:09:28,434 LEVELS OF RISK PREFERENCE, THEY HAVE DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS 190 00:09:28,534 --> 00:09:32,004 OF THE DATA, THE RIGHT OF POSITIVE TESTS HAS 191 00:09:32,104 --> 00:09:35,308 BEEN ABOUT BUT IT'S BOUNCING AROUND TO 18% SINCE THE 192 00:09:35,408 --> 00:09:37,577 REOPENING AND IN MAY 22ND. 193 00:09:37,677 --> 00:09:41,380 AND THE EVIDENCE OF THE HOSPITALIZATIONS IS ACTUALLY 194 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:42,715 RATHER MONEY 195 00:09:42,815 --> 00:09:45,051 BECAUSE WE ARE IN FACT HAVING MORE PEOPLE GOING TO THE 196 00:09:45,151 --> 00:09:47,787 HOSPITALS TO HAVE OTHER CONDITIONS ADDRESSED AND 197 00:09:47,887 --> 00:09:50,489 SURGERIES THAT WERE DEFERRED HAVE OTHER THINGS AND YES, 198 00:09:50,590 --> 00:09:53,526 THEY'RE ALL BEING TESTED SO WE'RE INTERESTED IN IS HOW MANY 199 00:09:53,626 --> 00:09:56,963 PEOPLE WERE HOSPITALIZED BECAUSE THEY HAD COVID GIVEN 200 00:09:57,063 --> 00:09:59,298 THE FACT THAT THE OTHER METRIC THAT THE STATE HAS BEEN 201 00:09:59,398 --> 00:10:02,501 TRACKING WHICH IS THE SHERIFF EMERGENCY ROOM ADMISSIONS HAVE 202 00:10:02,602 --> 00:10:05,671 TO HAVE COVID HAS NOT BEEN GOING UP THAT SUGGESTS THAT THE 203 00:10:05,771 --> 00:10:08,941 STATE ARE MORE COMPLICATED. THEY THEY REQUIRE MORE 204 00:10:09,041 --> 00:10:12,211 CAREFUL CONSIDERATION. BUT FRANKLY, EITHER SIDE IS 205 00:10:12,311 --> 00:10:15,848 CURRENTLY THE POLITICAL THE POLITICIZATION OF THIS MOMENT I 206 00:10:15,948 --> 00:10:17,049 THINK IS MISTAKEN. 207 00:10:17,149 --> 00:10:20,453 >> WELL IT IS HIGHLY POLITICIZED IS NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. 208 00:10:20,553 --> 00:10:23,055 CHRIS THE LEGISLATURE PASSED BILL AND PUT IT ON THE 209 00:10:23,155 --> 00:10:27,893 SENATE TO THE GOVERNOR'S DESK. THAT WOULD REQUIRE HOSPITALS TO 210 00:10:27,994 --> 00:10:32,064 ALLOW AT LEAST ONE FAMILY MEMBER TO VISIT PEOPLE WHO ARE 211 00:10:32,164 --> 00:10:37,003 HOSPITALIZED. THE RULING OF COURSE HAD BEEN WITH NURSING 212 00:10:37,103 --> 00:10:40,840 HOMES AND WITH OTHER. THE CONGREGATE CARE KINDS OF 213 00:10:40,940 --> 00:10:44,310 FACILITIES THEY WOULDN'T ALLOW PEOPLE TO COME IN AND VISIT 214 00:10:44,410 --> 00:10:48,014 IS COOPER GOING TO VETO THIS BILL? 215 00:10:48,114 --> 00:10:50,850 >> I'M NOT SURE BUT I CONTINUE TO BE SURPRISED THAT 216 00:10:50,950 --> 00:10:53,285 PEOPLE IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY BELIEVE THEY KNOW MORE ABOUT 217 00:10:53,386 --> 00:10:56,956 HOSPITAL ADMISSION POLICY, INFECTION RATES AND DISEASE THAN 218 00:10:57,056 --> 00:11:00,426 THE PEOPLE WHO RUN HOSPITALS AND THE PUBLIC HEALTH PROFESSIONALS, 219 00:11:00,526 --> 00:11:02,061 AND I THINK, I SAY THIS EVERY WEEK, THE ELEPHANT IN 220 00:11:02,161 --> 00:11:05,297 THE ROOM HERE, IS WHEN THE LAST TIME WE HEARD FROM DOCTOR FAUCI 221 00:11:05,398 --> 00:11:09,201 THE CDC, NATIONAL MESSAGING, WE ARE LITERALLY LEADER-LESS 222 00:11:09,301 --> 00:11:11,837 IN THIS COUNTRY. AND SO WE'RE TURNING TO GOVERNORS. 223 00:11:11,937 --> 00:11:14,440 ARIZONA'S HOSPITALIZATION RATE IS GOING 224 00:11:14,540 --> 00:11:17,677 THROUGH THE ROOF, THE VIRUS IS MOVING INTO THE SOUTH AND 225 00:11:17,777 --> 00:11:20,913 THE WEST, THE DATA IS PRETTY CLEAR ABOUT THAT. AND YET WE'RE 226 00:11:21,013 --> 00:11:23,716 ALL WE'RE ARGUING ABOUT BARS AND RESTAURANTS WHICH I 227 00:11:23,816 --> 00:11:25,951 APPRECIATE THAT THEY'RE STRUGGLING. I HOPE THAT THEY 228 00:11:26,052 --> 00:11:28,220 GOT RELIEF FROM THE LOAN PROGRAM, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW THE 229 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,290 DETAILS OF WHO RELEASED THAT. WE'RE LIVING IN A VACUUMLESS, 230 00:11:31,390 --> 00:11:34,460 A LEADER-LESS TIME AND WERE ALL FLAILING ABOUT WHILE WE 231 00:11:34,560 --> 00:11:37,363 HAVE AN INFECTIOUS DISEASE ON THE RISE. IT'S FRANKLY STUNNING. 232 00:11:37,463 --> 00:11:40,833 >> AND AND ON TOP OF ALL OF THAT IS THE CONTROVERSY 233 00:11:40,933 --> 00:11:44,270 SURROUNDING THE GOP CONVENTION. THEY ANNOUNCED THIS WEEK THAT 234 00:11:44,370 --> 00:11:48,741 THE CONVENTION - THE BIG RALLY FOR THE CONVENTION WOULD BE 235 00:11:48,841 --> 00:11:53,713 HELD IN FLORIDA. AFTER THE DUST HAS SETTLED A LITTLE BIT HERE, 236 00:11:53,813 --> 00:11:56,782 WE'VE GOT A 1000 NEW CASES EVERY DAY, WE'VE GOT RECORD 237 00:11:56,882 --> 00:12:01,987 NUMBERS OF PEOPLE IN HOSPITALS DUE TO COVID-19 ACCORDING TO 238 00:12:02,088 --> 00:12:07,126 SECRETARY COHEN AND SO THE QUESTION IS REGARDING THIS GOP 239 00:12:07,226 --> 00:12:11,430 CONVENTION WHO WON TRUMP OR COOPER? 240 00:12:11,530 --> 00:12:13,265 I'M GOING TO ASK EVERYBODY. JOHN? 241 00:12:13,365 --> 00:12:16,502 >> COOPER GOT WHAT HE WANTED HE DIDN'T WANT THE CONVENTION SO 242 00:12:16,602 --> 00:12:19,505 AGAIN HE GOT WHAT HE WANTED. HE GOT THAT. I THINK THAT IN THE 243 00:12:19,605 --> 00:12:22,675 LONG RUN IT WILL HURT HIM HE'S BASICALLY SAYING RALLY IF I 244 00:12:22,775 --> 00:12:25,177 AGREE WITH YOU THAT'S OK. 245 00:12:25,277 --> 00:12:28,481 RALLY AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE TOGETHER RALLY THAT'S OKAY. 246 00:12:28,581 --> 00:12:30,783 BUT IF I DON'T AGREE WITH YOU CAN'T HAVE A RALLY. REMEMBER 247 00:12:30,883 --> 00:12:33,519 THIS IS - THIS LARGE EVENT THAT'S GOING TO BE HELD WILL 248 00:12:33,619 --> 00:12:36,756 PROBABLY BE OUTSIDE IN JACKSONVILLE FLORIDA. 249 00:12:36,856 --> 00:12:38,591 I THINK THAT I COULD'VE WORKED THAT OUT. 250 00:12:38,691 --> 00:12:42,027 >> THEY'RE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT DOING INSIDE IN AN ARENA. 251 00:12:42,128 --> 00:12:43,329 >> [JOHN] EVEN THEN -- 252 00:12:43,429 --> 00:12:46,465 TRUMP IS HAVING A RALLY IN TULSA FRIDAY NIGHT WITH 19,000 253 00:12:46,565 --> 00:12:49,769 PEOPLE IN AN ARENA, HE'S ASKED THEM TO SIGN SOMETHING SAYING -- 254 00:12:49,869 --> 00:12:52,004 >> [TOM] THEY GOTTA SIGN A WAIVER! 255 00:12:52,104 --> 00:12:54,073 >> THEY HAVE TO SIGN A WAIVER THAT'S WHAT COOPER DOESN'T WANT 256 00:12:54,173 --> 00:12:57,109 IN NORTH CAROLINA IS 19,000 PEOPLE INSIDE THE BUILDING 257 00:12:57,209 --> 00:12:59,512 AND THEN GOING AROUND TO THE REST OF THE STATE. 258 00:12:59,612 --> 00:13:02,615 >> THEY SHOULD'VE WORKED IT OUT TO DO THIS BIG CORONATION 259 00:13:02,715 --> 00:13:05,284 EVENT OUTSIDE, THAT'S MY OPINION. 260 00:13:05,384 --> 00:13:06,786 >> AND THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE WAS NEGOTIATING 261 00:13:06,886 --> 00:13:08,487 WITH THE RNC AND TRUMP INTERVENED WITH 262 00:13:08,587 --> 00:13:11,957 A TWEET BLAMING GOVERNOR COOPER. COOPER AND PUBLIC HEALTH WON 263 00:13:12,057 --> 00:13:12,825 THAT'S WHO WON. 264 00:13:12,925 --> 00:13:16,195 >> ALL RIGHT SO. COOPER, WON CHRIS. 265 00:13:16,295 --> 00:13:17,296 HOWARD WHO WON? 266 00:13:17,396 --> 00:13:19,498 >> I THINK WE WON AS NORTH CAROLINIANS 267 00:13:19,598 --> 00:13:21,934 BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE 19,000 PEOPLE SHOULDER TO 268 00:13:22,034 --> 00:13:23,969 SHOULDER IN AN ARENA IN A PANDEMIC. 269 00:13:24,069 --> 00:13:26,505 >> ALL RIGHT HOWARD TRUMP OR COOPER? 270 00:13:26,605 --> 00:13:30,075 >> I WAS GOING TO SAY THE PEOPLE OF NORTH CAROLINA WON BECAUSE 271 00:13:30,176 --> 00:13:31,877 I'VE BEEN VERY NERVOUS ABOUT THIS CONVENTION AND THAT NUMBER 272 00:13:31,977 --> 00:13:36,415 OF PEOPLE BEING HELD IN AN ARENA, AND I THINK THE CHANCES 273 00:13:36,515 --> 00:13:38,984 OF SPREADING THE DISEASE IN THIS STATE, IT'S GETTING MORE 274 00:13:39,084 --> 00:13:43,756 AND MORE POSSIBLE ALL ALONG. I JUST DISAGREE WITH 275 00:13:43,856 --> 00:13:45,791 THINKING THAT WE CAN HOLD THE CONVENTION AND THAT'S MORE 276 00:13:45,891 --> 00:13:47,827 IMPORTANT THAN PROTECTING PEOPLE'S HEALTH. 277 00:13:47,927 --> 00:13:50,196 SO I GIVE IT TO THE PEOPLE IN NORTH CAROLINA 278 00:13:50,296 --> 00:13:52,131 AND PARTIALLY TO COOPER. 279 00:13:52,231 --> 00:13:53,666 >> ANNA BEAVON WHO WON? 280 00:13:53,766 --> 00:13:56,135 >> I THINK THEY'RE BOTH GOING TO CLAIM VICTORY HERE. 281 00:13:56,235 --> 00:13:57,436 THEY'RE STILL DISCUSSION OF HAVING THE 282 00:13:57,536 --> 00:14:01,607 BUSINESS SESSION IN CHARLOTTE. SO SOME OF THESE CONTRACTS WILL 283 00:14:01,707 --> 00:14:05,678 STILL HOLD. BUT TRUMP HIMSELF WILL NOT BE HERE SO HE WILL 284 00:14:05,778 --> 00:14:06,912 CLAIM VICTORY. 285 00:14:07,012 --> 00:14:09,682 >> BUT THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION COMMITTEE HAS 286 00:14:09,782 --> 00:14:14,286 LIMITED EVERY STATE TO HAVING 6 DELEGATES. SO 287 00:14:14,386 --> 00:14:17,022 EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY BE HONORING THE LETTER OF THE LAW 288 00:14:17,122 --> 00:14:18,791 ON SOME OF THESE CONTRACTS. 289 00:14:18,891 --> 00:14:21,493 CHARLOTTE'S NOT GOING TO SEE SUCH A BIG ECONOMIC 290 00:14:21,594 --> 00:14:23,929 >> ABSOLUTELY NOT. ABSOLUTELY NOT. 291 00:14:24,029 --> 00:14:26,332 THEY LOST IN THIS WHOLE STORY. 292 00:14:26,432 --> 00:14:28,767 >> LET'S SWITCH GEARS A LITTLE BIT. MOST EVERYBODY IN NORTH 293 00:14:28,868 --> 00:14:32,671 CAROLINA AGREES NORTH CAROLINA'S 1.6 MILLION K TO 12 294 00:14:32,771 --> 00:14:36,275 GRADE SCHOOL CHILDREN NEED TO RETURN TO CLASS. NOW THE BIG 295 00:14:36,375 --> 00:14:39,311 QUESTION IS HOW TO DO IT SAFELY. THIS WEEK WE'VE GOT 296 00:14:39,411 --> 00:14:42,314 SOME GUIDELINES AS TO HOW THAT MIGHT HAPPEN. THE DEPARTMENT OF 297 00:14:42,414 --> 00:14:44,516 HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC 298 00:14:44,617 --> 00:14:47,686 INSTRUCTION, THE STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION OF ISSUED WHAT THEY 299 00:14:47,786 --> 00:14:53,025 CALLED LIGHTING THE WAY FORWARD. THIS PLAN HAS 3 PHASES RANGING 300 00:14:53,125 --> 00:14:57,763 FROM MINIMAL SOCIAL DISTANCING MODERATE SOCIAL DISTANCING AND 301 00:14:57,863 --> 00:15:02,134 A RETURN TO ONLINE INSTRUCTION. THE DECISION AS TO WHICH PHASE 302 00:15:02,234 --> 00:15:05,304 IS SELECTED WILL DEPEND ON HOW NORTH CAROLINA'S MANAGING 303 00:15:05,404 --> 00:15:08,374 COVID-19. HOWARD LEE YOU WERE CHAIRMAN OF OUR STATE BOARD OF 304 00:15:08,474 --> 00:15:11,477 EDUCATION AND YOU CONTINUE TO WORK WITH SCHOOL CHILDREN 305 00:15:11,577 --> 00:15:15,314 ACROSS OUR STATE. SECRETARY COHEN SAYS WHILE YOUNG CHILDREN 306 00:15:15,414 --> 00:15:19,018 CAN CERTAINLY BE INFECTED, THEY DON'T SEEM AS SUSCEPTIBLE 307 00:15:19,118 --> 00:15:22,254 AS OLDER PEOPLE. AND WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE SPECIFICS OF 308 00:15:22,354 --> 00:15:25,557 THIS PLAN, BUT I WANT TO HEAR YOUR REACTION TO THE LIGHT THE 309 00:15:25,658 --> 00:15:28,294 WAY FORWARD PLAN. 310 00:15:28,394 --> 00:15:32,097 >> WELL, I LOVE THE SLOGANS THAT PEOPLE THROW OUT THESE DAYS. 311 00:15:32,197 --> 00:15:36,101 I THINK THE GUIDELINES ARE FAIRLY CLEAR AND CERTAINLY GIVE 312 00:15:36,201 --> 00:15:39,571 AN INDICATION OF WHAT POSSIBLE DIRECTIONS WE CAN GO. 313 00:15:39,672 --> 00:15:43,108 I LIKE THE THOUGHT THAT THEY WILL LISTEN TO THE GOVERNOR 314 00:15:43,208 --> 00:15:47,146 BY JULY 1, TO DETERMINE IF THE CONDITIONS ARE SUCH THAT 315 00:15:47,246 --> 00:15:51,216 THEY CAN PROCEED FORWARD. I DO SEE SOME REAL POSITIVES IN 316 00:15:51,317 --> 00:15:55,120 THE GUIDELINES WOULD THINK THAT KIDS CAN BE MANAGED 317 00:15:55,220 --> 00:15:57,790 SAFELY IN THE CLASSROOM AND I'M DELIGHTED THAT WE'RE MOVING IN 318 00:15:57,890 --> 00:16:00,793 THAT DIRECTION, BUT WE'VE GOT TO BE VERY CAREFUL BECAUSE IN 319 00:16:00,893 --> 00:16:04,830 SPITE OF THAT WE STILL HAVE ONE CHILD A AND OTHERS 320 00:16:04,930 --> 00:16:08,467 COULD CONTRACT THE DISEASE AND WE CAN HAVE OTHER DEATHS 321 00:16:08,567 --> 00:16:09,902 BY PUTTING THEM ALL TOGETHER. 322 00:16:10,002 --> 00:16:13,005 >> ALL RIGHT SO THE BASICS OF THE PLAN IS MINIMAL SOCIAL 323 00:16:13,105 --> 00:16:15,941 DISTANCING, WHICH MEANS ESSENTIALLY, 324 00:16:16,041 --> 00:16:17,743 KIDS GO BACK TO SCHOOL THE WAY THEY WERE 325 00:16:17,843 --> 00:16:20,779 BEFORE THE PANDEMIC HIT. THE MODERATE OR 326 00:16:20,879 --> 00:16:24,950 PLAN B IS A MODERATE SOCIAL DISTANCING WHICH WOULD REQUIRE 327 00:16:25,050 --> 00:16:29,088 SOME SEPARATIONS 6 FEET SEPARATIONS AND VARIOUS THINGS 328 00:16:29,188 --> 00:16:32,458 LIKE THAT. AND THEN THE 3RD OPTION IS WE JUST GO BACK TO 329 00:16:32,558 --> 00:16:35,361 ONLINE LEARNING, WHICH I THINK IS THE LEAST PALATABLE FOR 330 00:16:35,461 --> 00:16:36,729 EVERYBODY. 331 00:16:36,829 --> 00:16:40,366 GOVERNOR COOPER GETS TO MAKE THAT DECISION AND HE SUPPOSED 332 00:16:40,466 --> 00:16:43,969 TO MAKE IT BY JULY 1ST THAT'S 2 WEEKS FROM NOW JOHN. WHAT ARE WE 333 00:16:44,069 --> 00:16:47,006 GOING TO KNOW THEN THAT WE DON'T KNOW NOW? 334 00:16:47,106 --> 00:16:49,408 >> I'M NOT SURE THAT PEOPLE WILL HAVE CHANGED THEIR VIEWS 335 00:16:49,508 --> 00:16:52,044 ONE WAY THE OTHER VERY MUCH ON THIS. TOM, I THINK YOU'RE 336 00:16:52,144 --> 00:16:55,214 BEING CHARITABLE VERY CHAIRITABLE. PLAN A 337 00:16:55,314 --> 00:16:58,217 IS NOT MINIMAL, WHATEVER TERM THEY WANT TO DESCRIBE IT 338 00:16:58,317 --> 00:17:01,887 HAS LOTS OF REQUIREMENTS IN IT, I THINK IT IS LIKELY TO 339 00:17:01,987 --> 00:17:06,859 BE IMPRACTICAL JUST PLAN A. PLAN B INVOLVES PROBABLY ALTERNATING 340 00:17:06,959 --> 00:17:10,229 BETWEEN DAY SO STUDENTS WOULD GO TO SCHOOL ON MONDAY 341 00:17:10,329 --> 00:17:11,864 AND NOT ON TUESDAY. 342 00:17:11,964 --> 00:17:14,299 I THINK THEY WILL ALSO FIND THAT IN PRACTICAL 343 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:15,834 I UNDERSTAND THAT THE MOTIVATION, 344 00:17:15,934 --> 00:17:18,771 THIS IS AS HOWARD SAID IT'S A CHALLENGING TOPIC. 345 00:17:18,871 --> 00:17:21,573 BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE VERY REALISTIC ABOUT WHAT 346 00:17:21,673 --> 00:17:24,777 IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN A SCHOOL SOMETIMES IN SOME PARTS OF THE 347 00:17:24,877 --> 00:17:27,646 STATE OVER ALREADY IN AN OVERCROWDED SCHOOL 348 00:17:27,746 --> 00:17:31,550 WITH LOTS OF KIDS COMING IN WHO ARE NOT KNOWN FOR FOLLOWING, 349 00:17:31,650 --> 00:17:34,286 YOU KNOW, SECOND GRADERS ARE NOT KNOWN FOR FOLLOWING 350 00:17:34,386 --> 00:17:36,321 INSTRUCTIONS EASILY. 351 00:17:36,422 --> 00:17:39,158 WE HAVE TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT WHAT IS REALISTIC HERE. IT IS 352 00:17:39,258 --> 00:17:42,928 ALSO NOT REALISTIC TO HAVE SEMESTER AT HOME AGAIN. I THINK 353 00:17:43,028 --> 00:17:45,697 YOU'LL HAVE A SIGNIFICANT REBELLION AGAINST THAT. 354 00:17:45,798 --> 00:17:47,833 >> I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THAT. ANNA BEAVON, YOU COME 355 00:17:47,933 --> 00:17:50,636 FROM A FAMILY OF EDUCATORS THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE 356 00:17:50,736 --> 00:17:53,806 SUGGESTING WAIT A MINUTE THIS SHOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE A 357 00:17:53,906 --> 00:17:56,975 STATEWIDE DECISION ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS. WE OUGHT TO 358 00:17:57,076 --> 00:18:00,612 TURN THIS OVER TO THE LEA'S LOCAL EDUCATION AUTHORITIES IN 359 00:18:00,712 --> 00:18:06,118 EACH COUNTY TO LET THEM DECIDE ON A PLAN A, PLAN B, PLAN C. 360 00:18:06,218 --> 00:18:07,419 WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT. 361 00:18:07,519 --> 00:18:10,322 >> I DEFINITELY THINK THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO GO. NOT EVERY 362 00:18:10,422 --> 00:18:14,126 PART OF THE STATE HAS BEEN IMPACTED THE SAME WAY BY COVID 363 00:18:14,226 --> 00:18:19,131 AND GIVING SCHOOLS THE OPPORTUNITIES TO BE ABLE TO 364 00:18:19,231 --> 00:18:22,734 TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WORKS BEST FOR THEN WE'LL REALLY ENSURE 365 00:18:22,835 --> 00:18:25,437 THE GREATEST AMOUNT OF SUCCESS. THE PART THAT WAS INTERESTING 366 00:18:25,537 --> 00:18:30,042 TO ME ABOUT THE PLAN IS THAT, OR THE PROPOSAL IS THAT PLAN B 367 00:18:30,142 --> 00:18:34,346 WAS THE ONE THAT HAD THE MOST ENERGY PUT INTO THE SOLUTIONS 368 00:18:34,446 --> 00:18:37,182 THAT HAVE THE GREATEST RANGE OF ALTERNATIVES 369 00:18:37,282 --> 00:18:40,252 WHERE I REALLY THINK THAT DISTANCE-LEARNING OR ONLINE 370 00:18:40,352 --> 00:18:45,057 LEARNING IS GOING TO BE WAY MORE IMPACTFUL MOVING FORWARD 371 00:18:45,157 --> 00:18:47,259 AND THERE REALLY JUST DIDN'T SEEM TO BE A LOT OF SOLUTIONS 372 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:48,794 TO FIX THAT. >> THAT IS THE LEAST PALATABLE 373 00:18:48,894 --> 00:18:50,963 OF ALL THE SOLUTIONS TO EVERYBODY I THINK. 374 00:18:51,063 --> 00:18:52,698 >> [ANNA] OH FOR SURE. YES. 375 00:18:52,798 --> 00:18:55,167 WE WANT TO GET OUR KIDS BACK IN CLASSROOMS. 376 00:18:55,267 --> 00:18:57,503 CHRIS ARE A LOT OF PARENTS ARE SAYING 377 00:18:57,603 --> 00:18:59,905 YOU KNOW WE'RE GOING TO SIT AND WATCH THIS. 378 00:19:00,005 --> 00:19:02,441 THEY ARE UPSET BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT REQUIRED 379 00:19:02,541 --> 00:19:06,044 STUDENTS AND TEACHERS AND PERSONNEL WERE NOT REQUIRED TO 380 00:19:06,145 --> 00:19:10,048 WEAR FACE COVERINGS AND THEY'RE SAYING WE WANT TO WAIT AND SEE 381 00:19:10,149 --> 00:19:13,185 HOW WE THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE -- WHAT HAPPENS 382 00:19:13,285 --> 00:19:15,854 IF A LARGE NUMBER OF PARENTS JUST REFUSED TO SEND THEIR KIDS 383 00:19:15,954 --> 00:19:17,523 BACK TO SCHOOL? 384 00:19:17,623 --> 00:19:20,292 >> WELL I THINK THAT COULD HAPPEN IN SOME AREAS, I THINK 385 00:19:20,392 --> 00:19:22,427 THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO BE SO CAREFUL AND MAKE SURE THAT 386 00:19:22,528 --> 00:19:25,764 PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE RISKS, UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PLANS ARE, I 387 00:19:25,864 --> 00:19:29,501 DO THINK IT'S GOING TO BE SOME VERSION OF COMING AND GOING 388 00:19:29,601 --> 00:19:31,670 BACK TO SCHOOL. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY THINKS IT'S GOING TO BE 389 00:19:31,770 --> 00:19:35,007 ONLINE ONLY UNLESS THINGS GET MUCH WORSE 390 00:19:35,107 --> 00:19:37,242 WHICH I HOPE THEY DON'T BETWEEN NOW AND AUGUST. 391 00:19:37,342 --> 00:19:38,977 THE HARD PART OF COURSE 392 00:19:39,077 --> 00:19:40,479 IS THERE'S NOT ONLY CHILDREN IN SCHOOL 393 00:19:40,579 --> 00:19:42,281 THERE ARE STAFF MEMBERS. 394 00:19:42,381 --> 00:19:43,949 THERE ARE TEACHERS WHO ARE OVER THAN 60 395 00:19:44,049 --> 00:19:47,886 YEARS OLD, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT HAVE HEALTH MALADIES THAT 396 00:19:47,986 --> 00:19:50,822 MAKE THEM MORE AT RISK, I'M A LITTLE WORRIED ABOUT HOW WE 397 00:19:50,923 --> 00:19:55,160 WE STAFF A SCHOOL SAFELY DURING THIS PANDEMIC. IT'S NOT 398 00:19:55,260 --> 00:19:57,629 SOMETHING WE CAN'T OVERCOME, BUT I THINK THAT ONE OF THE PRIMARY 399 00:19:57,729 --> 00:20:01,900 RISKS. THE PEOPLE AT RISK HERE ARE THE ADULTS IN THE SCHOOL. 400 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,871 >> HOWARD, LET'S LOOK AT THIS THING FROM A TODAY PERSPECTIVE. 401 00:20:05,971 --> 00:20:08,574 IF THE GOVERNOR HAD TO MAKE THIS DECISION TODAY,I THINK HE'D 402 00:20:08,674 --> 00:20:13,612 HAVE A HARD TIME ADOPTING PLAN A WHICH IS THE MINIMAL KIND OF 403 00:20:13,712 --> 00:20:17,115 OPENING AND CERTAINLY NOBODY WANTS TO GO TO PLAN C WHICH IS 404 00:20:17,216 --> 00:20:23,522 GOING BACK TO ONLINE LEARNING. THE QUESTION HERE IS IF WE HAVE 405 00:20:23,622 --> 00:20:27,826 TO GO TO THE PLAN B WHICH INCLUDES PERHAPS CHILDREN GOING 406 00:20:27,926 --> 00:20:31,430 TO SCHOOL HALF A DAY IN STAYING HOME HALF A DAY, YOU'RE GOING 407 00:20:31,530 --> 00:20:34,132 ONE DAY IN STAYING HOME THE OTHER THIS IS GOING TO PUT AN 408 00:20:34,233 --> 00:20:38,470 INCREDIBLE HARDSHIP ON PARENTS WHO HAVE TO WORK ISN'T IT? 409 00:20:38,570 --> 00:20:43,842 >> IT WILL AND OF COURSE I FIND PLAN B TO BE THE MOST 410 00:20:43,942 --> 00:20:48,814 ACCEPTABLE. BUT YET THE MOST DIFFICULT TO MANAGE, BUT IT HAS 411 00:20:48,914 --> 00:20:53,151 BEEN DONE BEFORE WE HAVE HAD A PRESSURE THAT HAD US GO TO 412 00:20:53,252 --> 00:20:56,255 HALF DAY SCHOOLS WITH KIDS COMING IN THE MORNING, 413 00:20:56,355 --> 00:20:58,657 THEN ANOTHER GROUP COMING IN THE AFTERNOON. 414 00:20:58,757 --> 00:21:00,325 SO WE COULD MAKE IT WORK AND 415 00:21:00,425 --> 00:21:03,328 CERTAINLY I THINK IT WOULD BE THE SAFEST. BUT I'M ALSO 416 00:21:03,428 --> 00:21:07,332 CONCERNED ABOUT THE BEING ABLE TO TRANSPORT KIDS, 417 00:21:07,432 --> 00:21:09,468 10 AND 20 KIDS ON THE BUS. 418 00:21:09,568 --> 00:21:11,370 WHICH I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE. 419 00:21:11,470 --> 00:21:12,404 >> WELL NOT ONLY THAT, 420 00:21:12,504 --> 00:21:14,773 BUT THE LEGISLATURE THIS PAST WEEK, G JOHN 421 00:21:14,873 --> 00:21:16,875 PASSED A BILL IN WHICH THEY 422 00:21:16,975 --> 00:21:21,747 ROBBED THE FUND FOR BUS REPLACEMENTS AND REPAIRS 423 00:21:21,847 --> 00:21:25,717 IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO HELP SHORE UP BUDGET SOMEWHERE ELSE. 424 00:21:25,817 --> 00:21:27,853 IS THIS GOING TO BE ANOTHER BILL THAT GOVERNOR COOPER'S 425 00:21:27,953 --> 00:21:29,021 GOING TO VETO? 426 00:21:29,121 --> 00:21:32,958 >> THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING. IS VERY CLEAR THAT 427 00:21:33,058 --> 00:21:35,927 THAT WE WILL NOT BE SPENDING ON CAPITAL THE WAY PEOPLE 428 00:21:36,028 --> 00:21:38,397 ANTICIPATED THAT INCLUDES SCHOOL BUILDING BECAUSE WE HAD 429 00:21:38,497 --> 00:21:43,802 BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN UPCOMING BUDGET DEFICITS AND EVEN 430 00:21:43,902 --> 00:21:47,806 WITHOUT REPLACING SCHOOL BUSES WHICH IS WHAT THAT FUND IS FOR 431 00:21:47,906 --> 00:21:52,044 AS HOWARD SAYS PLAN A AND FACT FORGET PLANT BEFORE SECOND 432 00:21:52,144 --> 00:21:55,514 WHICH ACTUALLY DON'T THINK LAB PLAN WOULD REQUIRE SOME 433 00:21:55,614 --> 00:21:58,750 ADDITIONAL EXPENSE PERHAPS A LOT OF ADDITIONAL EXPENSE. 434 00:21:58,850 --> 00:22:00,719 >> AND ONE OF THOSE ADDITIONAL EXPENSES 435 00:22:00,819 --> 00:22:05,891 IS TEACHERS AND NURSES IN EVERY SCHOOL FOR SCHOOLS THAT 436 00:22:05,991 --> 00:22:09,761 ARE ALREADY COMPLAINING ABOUT NOT HAVING FUNDING AND WITH 437 00:22:09,861 --> 00:22:13,432 US WITH A TEACHER SHORTAGE CHRIS, THIS COULD BE VERY 438 00:22:13,532 --> 00:22:17,202 PROBLEMATIC, WITH A NUMBER OF OUR TEACHERS ARE ALREADY, 439 00:22:17,302 --> 00:22:22,607 YOU KNOW, REACHING SOME AGE IF I CAN SAY THAT IS DELICATELY AS 440 00:22:22,708 --> 00:22:25,677 POSSIBLE AND MIGHT NOT FEEL SAFE GOING BACK INTO THE 441 00:22:25,777 --> 00:22:28,680 CLASSROOM THIS YEAR. SO THIS PRESENT SOME REAL PROBLEMS 442 00:22:28,780 --> 00:22:30,015 DOESN'T IT? 443 00:22:30,115 --> 00:22:32,250 >> IT DOES. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING AT WITH EARLIER WHICH 444 00:22:32,351 --> 00:22:35,487 IS THAT THE STAFFING AND THE SORT OF SENIOR TEACHERS 445 00:22:35,587 --> 00:22:39,191 SENIOR IN AGE, TEACHERS AND STAFF. I THINK WILL CERTAINLY 446 00:22:39,291 --> 00:22:42,160 HAVE SOME CONCERNS. IT DOES REMIND US THAT WE NEEDED TO BE 447 00:22:42,260 --> 00:22:44,696 A LONG TIME AGO WE NEEDED TO SPEND MORE ON SCHOOL NURSES AND 448 00:22:44,796 --> 00:22:47,733 MAKE SURE THEY WERE THERE. IT'S ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT NOW 449 00:22:47,833 --> 00:22:49,234 DURING THIS PANDEMIC. 450 00:22:49,334 --> 00:22:52,671 >> WELL THE JULY 4TH PERIOD IS GOING TO BE VERY EXCITING 451 00:22:52,771 --> 00:22:57,409 AROUND HERE BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A LOT OF JUDICIAL DECISIONS. 452 00:22:57,509 --> 00:22:59,644 THE GOVERNOR'S GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS ON SCHOOLS 453 00:22:59,745 --> 00:23:01,480 AND WE CERTAINLY ARE GOING TO BE 454 00:23:01,580 --> 00:23:04,649 TALKING ABOUT THEM AS TIME GOES ON. THE ONE THING I THINK 455 00:23:04,750 --> 00:23:07,219 EVERYBODY CAN AGREE ABOUT IS THAT WE REALLY DO WANT TO GET 456 00:23:07,319 --> 00:23:10,222 OUR KIDS BACK IN SCHOOL AND RIGHT NOW WE REALLY DO WANT TO 457 00:23:10,322 --> 00:23:12,257 GET THE PANEL TO TELL US SOMETHING WE DON'T KNOW. 458 00:23:12,357 --> 00:23:16,495 HOWARD LEE START US OFF TELL US SOMETHING WE DON'T KNOW. 459 00:23:16,595 --> 00:23:19,231 >> YOU KNOW WHEN I LOOK AT THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON RIGHT 460 00:23:19,331 --> 00:23:26,905 NOW, TO ME IT'S KIND OF LIKE LIVING ALONG DREADED NIGHTMARE. 461 00:23:27,005 --> 00:23:29,908 JULY 19TH IS SOMETHING CALLED JUNETEENTH 462 00:23:30,008 --> 00:23:32,577 AND THAT'S THE DAY THE SLAVES WERE FREED. 463 00:23:32,677 --> 00:23:37,048 AND IT DISTURBS ME THAT TULSA, OKLAHOMA CERTAINLY 464 00:23:37,149 --> 00:23:41,987 ENDED UP BEING THE MASSACRE THAT WE ALL GREW UP READING ABOUT. 465 00:23:42,087 --> 00:23:46,825 AND FOR THE PRESIDENT TO GO AND HOLD A RALLY ON THAT DAY IN 466 00:23:46,925 --> 00:23:50,429 THAT COMMUNITY SIMPLY OPEN UP A LOT OF OLD WOUNDS, 467 00:23:50,529 --> 00:23:52,264 AND I THINK IT'S GOING 468 00:23:52,364 --> 00:23:55,934 TO SPREAD IN A WAY THAT WON'T BE DESIRABLE. 469 00:23:56,034 --> 00:23:58,703 >> CHRIS FITZSIMON TELL US SOMETHING WE DON'T KNOW. 470 00:23:58,804 --> 00:24:01,273 >> ONE OF THE MOST INTERESTING ISSUES I THINK IS 471 00:24:01,373 --> 00:24:04,576 THAT THE MILITARY PLAYING A ROLE IN WHAT'S HAPPENING. 472 00:24:04,676 --> 00:24:07,012 IN OUR COUNTRY IN THE MOOD FOR RACIAL JUSTICE, THE JOINT THE 473 00:24:07,112 --> 00:24:09,948 CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF THIS WEEK APOLOGIZED, 474 00:24:10,048 --> 00:24:13,118 FOR MARCHING TO THE CHURCH WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP. THE 475 00:24:13,218 --> 00:24:16,588 MILITARY LEADERS ARE OPEN TO RENAMING BASES THAT ARE 476 00:24:16,688 --> 00:24:19,791 NAMED AFTER CONFEDERATE GENERALS A REPUBLICAN COMMITTEE THIS 477 00:24:19,891 --> 00:24:23,895 WEEK VOTED TO DO THAT WITHIN 3 YEARS. SENATOR TILLIS OBJECTED 478 00:24:23,995 --> 00:24:26,598 SO HE DISAGREES WITH IT LOOKS LIKE THE MILITARY AND A 479 00:24:26,698 --> 00:24:28,867 REPUBLICAN COMMITTEE THAT'S GOING TO BE A BIG ISSUE I THINK 480 00:24:28,967 --> 00:24:30,402 IN THE CAMPAIGN. 481 00:24:30,502 --> 00:24:31,369 >> GOT ABOUT A MINUTE 30 LEFT. 482 00:24:31,470 --> 00:24:33,839 AB TELL US SOMETHING WE DON'T KNOW. 483 00:24:33,939 --> 00:24:37,442 >> SO THE MILLENNIAL GENERATION HAS BEEN NAMED TO THE MOST 484 00:24:37,542 --> 00:24:43,181 UNLUCKY GENERATION IN HISTORY. YEAH, IT'S A BUMMER. BUT 59% OF 485 00:24:43,281 --> 00:24:45,851 MILLENNIALS ARE ACTUALLY WITHDRAWING FROM THEIR 401K 486 00:24:45,951 --> 00:24:50,121 RETIREMENT PLANS EARLY. AND ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS IS 487 00:24:50,222 --> 00:24:54,159 BECAUSE OF THE FINANCIAL RESTRAINT FROM COVID. 488 00:24:54,259 --> 00:24:56,228 >> WOULD YOU KNOW ANYONE IN THAT GENERATION? 489 00:24:56,328 --> 00:24:58,263 >> I DO KNOW QUITE A FEW 490 00:24:58,363 --> 00:24:59,498 >> JOHN TELL US SOMETHING WE DON'T KNOW. 491 00:24:59,598 --> 00:25:00,699 WE GOT ABOUT A MINUTE. 492 00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:02,434 >> ALL RIGHT WELL NORTH CAROLINA LAST ABOUT A LITTLE 493 00:25:02,534 --> 00:25:07,305 OVER 50,000 JOBS AND IN MARCH AND APRIL IN THE AREA OF HEALTH 494 00:25:07,405 --> 00:25:09,541 CARE AND SOCIAL ASSISTANCE. 495 00:25:09,641 --> 00:25:11,510 WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE 496 00:25:11,610 --> 00:25:15,080 FOR MAY YET, WE'LL HAVE THOSE ANOTHER WEEK OR SO, BUT IT IS 497 00:25:15,180 --> 00:25:17,616 LIKELY THAT A LOT OF THOSE JOBS WILL RETURN A LOT OF DENTAL 498 00:25:17,716 --> 00:25:21,987 PRACTICES DOCTOR PRACTICES HAVE BEEN ADDED BACK IN DAYCARES 499 00:25:22,087 --> 00:25:24,356 WHICH IS ANOTHER AREA THAT HAS LOST SOME EMPLOYMENT WILL HAVE 500 00:25:24,456 --> 00:25:28,026 SOME RECOVERY SO THAT WOULD AT LEAST I THINK WILL IMPROVE IN 501 00:25:28,126 --> 00:25:30,295 MAY WE'LL HAVE TO SEE. >> WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK 502 00:25:30,395 --> 00:25:31,963 AT THOSE NUMBERS. WELL YOU'VE HEARD OUR SPIN ON THE ISSUES 503 00:25:32,063 --> 00:25:33,265 OF THE DAY. 504 00:25:33,365 --> 00:25:35,734 TO STAY INFORMED ALL DURING THE WEEK SIGN UP FOR OUR FREE 505 00:25:35,834 --> 00:25:38,537 WEEKLY EMAIL NEWSLETTER GIVE YOUR FEEDBACK AND READ MY 506 00:25:38,637 --> 00:25:42,374 WEEKLY COLUMN, VISIT OUR WEBSITE NCSPIN.COM, OR CATCH NC SPIN 507 00:25:42,474 --> 00:25:46,411 ON FACEBOOK. WHILE THERE BE SURE TO SUBSCRIBE TO OUR NEWSLETTER 508 00:25:46,511 --> 00:25:50,015 UNTIL NEXT WEEK, PAY ATTENTION WATCH OUT FOR THE SPIN. 509 00:25:53,084 --> 00:25:54,819 IN MORE THAN 21 YEARS ON NC SPIN, 510 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,155 I NEVER ENDORSED A PRODUCT OR SPONSORED 511 00:25:57,255 --> 00:26:00,992 BUT I VOLUNTEERED TO DO THIS MESSAGE FOR FAMILY PHYSICIANS. 512 00:26:01,092 --> 00:26:02,427 OVER THE PAST 40 YEARS, 513 00:26:02,527 --> 00:26:05,297 MY FAMILY DOCTOR COULD QUICKLY DIAGNOSE MY ILLNESSES 514 00:26:05,397 --> 00:26:07,332 BECAUSE HE KNEW MY MEDICAL HISTORY. 515 00:26:07,432 --> 00:26:09,367 EVIDENCE SUGGESTS I'LL LIVE LONGER, 516 00:26:09,467 --> 00:26:10,869 HAVE A HIGHER QUALITY OF LIFE 517 00:26:10,969 --> 00:26:13,505 AND SAVE 33% ON HEALTH CARE COSTS. 518 00:26:13,605 --> 00:26:15,240 I BELIEVE IN MY TRUSTED RELATIONSHIP 519 00:26:15,340 --> 00:26:16,975 WITH MY FAMILY PHYSICIAN. 520 00:26:17,075 --> 00:26:18,243 - [ANNOUNCER] FAMILY PHYSICIANS, 521 00:26:18,343 --> 00:26:21,112 YOUR TRUSTED HEALTH CARE ADVISOR FOR LIFE. 522 00:26:23,815 --> 00:26:25,183 [UPBEAT MUSIC] 523 00:26:25,283 --> 00:26:27,085 - [ANNOUNCER] LIFE'S BUSY, BUT YOU'RE IN CONTROL. 524 00:26:27,185 --> 00:26:28,753 AS AN ELECTRIC COOPERATIVE MEMBER, 525 00:26:28,853 --> 00:26:30,522 YOU HAVE ACCESS TO LOTS OF TOOLS 526 00:26:30,622 --> 00:26:33,325 TO HELP MANAGE YOUR HOME ENERGY USE AND BUDGET 527 00:26:33,425 --> 00:26:36,761 SO YOU CAN FOCUS ON WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT. 528 00:26:40,131 --> 00:26:41,833 - NORTH CAROLINA CHANNEL IS MADE POSSIBLE THROUGH 529 00:26:41,933 --> 00:26:44,569 THE FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTIONS OF VIEWERS LIKE YOU. 530 00:26:44,669 --> 00:26:46,805 WHO SUPPORT THE UNC-TV NETWORK.