WEBVTT 00:06.639 --> 00:08.375 align:left position:27.5%,start line:65% size:62.5% >> From 90.7 WFAE. 00:08.475 --> 00:10.210 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% This is a special edition of Charlotte Talks 00:10.310 --> 00:12.278 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% a public conversation. 00:12.379 --> 00:16.649 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% Unrest in the Queen City One Year Later. 00:16.750 --> 00:18.118 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% I'm Mike Collins, we're coming to you from Spirit Square's 00:18.218 --> 00:20.453 align:left position:27.5%,start line:65% size:62.5% McGlohon Theater in downtown Charlotte. 00:20.553 --> 00:24.858 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% At this time a year ago tonight September 20th 2016 00:24.958 --> 00:28.228 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% just hours after the shooting by police of Keith Lamont 00:28.328 --> 00:30.497 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% Scott a group of demonstrators 00:30.597 --> 00:32.799 align:left position:27.5%,start line:65% size:62.5% began to gather at Old Concord Road 00:32.899 --> 00:34.401 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% in the University City area. 00:35.201 --> 00:38.271 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% By the next night those protests would filter into downtown 00:38.371 --> 00:40.607 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% Charlotte building in intensity 00:40.707 --> 00:42.675 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% eventually becoming a riot 00:42.776 --> 00:45.578 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% or as some prefer to call it resistance. 00:46.279 --> 00:48.481 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% Whatever you call it. The response to the shooting 00:48.581 --> 00:50.984 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% puts Charlotte in the national spotlight 00:51.084 --> 00:52.852 align:left position:30%,start line:65% size:60% in a way it had never been before 00:52.952 --> 00:55.288 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% and shook the city to its core. 00:55.922 --> 00:57.290 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% It started conversations 00:57.390 --> 00:58.992 align:left position:27.5%,start line:65% size:62.5% in every nook and cranny of our town. 00:59.092 --> 01:01.995 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% Indeed across the state that continued today 01:02.095 --> 01:05.031 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% and which will certainly continue over the next few hours 01:05.865 --> 01:09.269 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% we all have a stake in where these conversations take us 01:09.369 --> 01:12.939 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% and that is why this program is being broadcast statewide. 01:13.473 --> 01:16.276 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% In addition to Charlotte and hickory we're joined 01:16.376 --> 01:18.511 align:left position:27.5%,start line:65% size:62.5% by listeners from Raleigh Durham 01:18.611 --> 01:21.514 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% Chapel Hill Fayetteville and points in between. 01:21.614 --> 01:23.850 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% Thanks to our friends at WNC. 01:24.851 --> 01:26.853 align:left position:27.5%,start line:65% size:62.5% The purpose of this special two hour 01:26.953 --> 01:30.123 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% Charlotte talks is not to rehash the events of last year 01:30.223 --> 01:33.993 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% but to look more closely at what has come from the shooting 01:34.094 --> 01:36.763 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% and the disturbances and soul searching that followed 01:37.330 --> 01:38.865 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% as well as what is left to do. 01:39.566 --> 01:42.769 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% However before we do that a brief reminder 01:42.869 --> 01:44.337 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% of what brought us here tonight. 01:45.905 --> 01:48.875 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% >> This has been a difficult couple of days 01:48.975 --> 01:51.478 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% for the city of Charlotte. Don't let them break the window. 01:56.182 --> 02:02.122 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% >> Keith don't do it. Keith! >> Get out the car! 02:03.389 --> 02:05.725 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% Keith! Keith don't you do it! 02:05.825 --> 02:08.361 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% Keith! Keith! Keith! 02:08.461 --> 02:09.362 align:left position:35%,start line:65% size:55% Don't you... 02:09.462 --> 02:13.166 align:left position:30%,start line:65% size:60% [rapid gun shots] 02:13.266 --> 02:14.667 align:left position:27.5%,start line:65% size:62.5% Did you shoot him? 02:14.767 --> 02:16.669 align:left position:27.5%,start line:65% size:62.5% Did you shoot him!! 02:16.769 --> 02:18.171 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% >> Handcuffs, handcuffs. 02:18.271 --> 02:19.272 align:left position:37.5%,start line:65% size:52.5% Handcuffs. 02:25.311 --> 02:26.579 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% >> I'm not gonna come near you! 02:27.046 --> 02:28.414 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% I'm gonna record you! 02:28.515 --> 02:30.150 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% I'm not coming near you! 02:30.250 --> 02:31.584 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% He'd better be alive! 02:31.684 --> 02:34.020 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% >> Roughly 1000 protesters marched through portions 02:34.120 --> 02:35.989 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% of the university area last night 02:36.089 --> 02:37.390 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% and early this morning in response 02:37.490 --> 02:40.293 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% to a police shooting death of an African-American man. 02:40.393 --> 02:42.262 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% >> The victim is 43 year old Keith Lamont 02:42.362 --> 02:44.130 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% Scott Sahira Whiteside 02:44.230 --> 02:46.633 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% a student at Central Piedmont Community College 02:46.733 --> 02:49.969 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% says she came out enjoying the protest and is frustrated. 02:50.069 --> 02:53.706 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% >> I can't watch another black man on another Facebook page 02:53.806 --> 02:56.509 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% another newscast I can't keep watching it happen 02:56.609 --> 02:59.112 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% and not nobody else is doing nothing about it. 03:00.880 --> 03:03.917 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% And just as the 11 o'clock freight train past protesters 03:04.017 --> 03:05.952 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% began throwing rocks and water bottles. 03:06.886 --> 03:08.121 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% >> And smashing in the windows. 03:09.422 --> 03:11.691 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% Song so badly they had to be towed from the scene. 03:12.759 --> 03:15.195 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% And then once police in riot gear 03:15.295 --> 03:17.163 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% Dawn gas masks and helmets. 03:18.698 --> 03:20.967 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% And began shooting rounds of tear gas into the crowd. 03:23.703 --> 03:25.772 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% >> About 100 people stood in silent protest 03:25.872 --> 03:27.540 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% in front of Bank of America headquarters 03:27.640 --> 03:29.242 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% at the end of the workday. 03:29.342 --> 03:32.845 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% Signs read legalize being black stop killing my brothers 03:32.946 --> 03:34.314 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% and black lives matter. 03:34.414 --> 03:40.320 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% As the crowd grew people began chanting. 03:42.021 --> 03:45.425 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% Then they marched us to police headquarters for more chanting 03:45.525 --> 03:46.726 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% and then to marshal park 03:46.826 --> 03:49.362 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% where a larger and more disorganized protest gathered. 03:53.266 --> 03:54.767 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% >> There were hundreds of protesters 03:54.867 --> 03:56.069 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% on the street last night. 03:56.169 --> 03:58.438 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% Originally it was about the police shooting death 03:58.538 --> 04:00.873 align:left position:30%,start line:65% size:60% of a 43 year old African-American 04:00.974 --> 04:02.642 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% named Keith Lamont Scott. 04:02.742 --> 04:05.778 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% But the anger over Scott's death was quickly overtaken 04:05.878 --> 04:07.647 align:left position:30%,start line:65% size:60% when word of last night's shooting 04:07.747 --> 04:09.849 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% spread from person to person. 04:09.949 --> 04:11.951 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% They again blamed the police. 04:14.554 --> 04:17.090 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% The situation escalated. 04:20.526 --> 04:23.229 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% More riot police were called in banging their batons 04:23.329 --> 04:25.365 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% against their shields as they walked in line 04:25.465 --> 04:27.267 align:left position:27.5%,start line:65% size:62.5% before stopping at an intersection 04:27.367 --> 04:29.068 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% where protesters met them 04:29.168 --> 04:32.105 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% yelling just inches from the officers faces. 04:34.274 --> 04:36.943 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% The police stood silently for a time 04:37.043 --> 04:38.845 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% then through concussion grenades. 04:41.781 --> 04:43.449 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% >> And tear gas canisters. 04:46.119 --> 04:48.688 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% A steady breeze carried the gas throughout the crowd. 04:53.726 --> 04:55.228 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% >> The protesters retreated down the street regrouped 04:55.328 --> 04:57.363 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% and went back again and again. 04:57.463 --> 05:00.266 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% >> Here comes round three as the crowd is growing. 05:01.634 --> 05:03.236 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% >> The Charlotte-Mecklenburg police officer 05:03.336 --> 05:05.638 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% who shot and killed an African -American man in September 05:05.738 --> 05:08.775 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% will not face any charges. Mecklenburg County D.A. 05:08.875 --> 05:11.177 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% said today all the evidence supports officer 05:11.277 --> 05:13.546 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% Brantly Vinson's claim that he felt threatened 05:13.646 --> 05:14.981 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% and that the fall of Mr. Scott 05:15.081 --> 05:17.450 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% that we watched is long simmering frustrations 05:17.550 --> 05:19.552 align:left position:35%,start line:65% size:55% boiled over. 05:20.486 --> 05:23.423 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% >> I heard observers say this is not a charlatan. 05:24.490 --> 05:28.294 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% This is not the city that we love but it is. 05:28.928 --> 05:30.196 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% >> This is Charlotte. 05:31.164 --> 05:34.067 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% This is where our friends families neighbors 05:34.167 --> 05:36.302 align:left position:27.5%,start line:65% size:62.5% and colleagues felt so passionate 05:36.402 --> 05:38.671 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% that they marched on our streets is a call for change. 05:38.771 --> 05:40.340 align:left position:30%,start line:65% size:60% But the fact that criminal charges 05:40.873 --> 05:43.309 align:left position:27.5%,start line:65% size:62.5% are not appropriate under the law 05:43.409 --> 05:46.579 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% in this particular case does not mean we can dismiss the concerns 05:46.679 --> 05:49.015 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% expressed by those who raise their voices 05:49.115 --> 05:51.451 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% to raise the consciousness of this community. 05:52.618 --> 05:54.787 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% I think it's high time that all of us recognize 05:54.887 --> 05:56.289 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% that this is Charlotte 05:56.389 --> 05:58.725 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% and not everyone experiences the same Charlotte. 05:59.726 --> 06:02.228 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% >> That last voice was that of Mecklenburg County District 06:02.328 --> 06:03.830 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% Attorney Andrew Murray 06:03.930 --> 06:06.466 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% stating something that might not have been obvious 06:06.566 --> 06:08.835 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% to much of this city a year ago. 06:09.402 --> 06:12.505 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% The fact that not everyone experiences the same Charbel 06:12.605 --> 06:16.609 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% is a realization that emerged from last year's disturbances 06:16.709 --> 06:19.345 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% and served as a wakeup call to work toward change. 06:19.445 --> 06:23.683 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% So tonight we examine three key areas economic opportunity 06:23.783 --> 06:26.819 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% and how it impacted the unrest as well as what is being done 06:26.919 --> 06:30.089 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% to address economic disparities activism 06:30.189 --> 06:31.824 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% not just during the disturbance 06:31.924 --> 06:34.127 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% but in the days and months afterward. 06:34.227 --> 06:36.996 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% Was this the catalyst for people to engage with others 06:37.096 --> 06:38.931 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% in the city to make improvements. 06:39.031 --> 06:42.402 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% And of course policing which here and around the country 06:42.502 --> 06:44.303 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% has been undergoing scrutiny 06:44.404 --> 06:46.172 align:left position:27.5%,start line:65% size:62.5% what is being done to build trust. 06:46.272 --> 06:50.576 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% And Will reformer's work for both police and the citizenry. 06:50.676 --> 06:52.345 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% And that is where we start. 06:52.445 --> 06:54.981 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% We're joined by Vicky Foster assistant chief 06:55.081 --> 06:56.916 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% of the Charlotte Mecklenburg Police Department. 06:57.016 --> 06:58.551 align:left position:27.5%,start line:65% size:62.5% Thank you for being here tonight. 06:58.651 --> 07:00.019 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% We thank you for having me. 07:00.119 --> 07:03.322 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% Robert Dawkins's the state organizer for SAVE Coalition 07:03.423 --> 07:06.459 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% and see that's a nonprofit founded in 2013 07:06.559 --> 07:08.194 align:left position:30%,start line:65% size:60% to promote police accountability. 07:08.294 --> 07:09.762 align:left position:35%,start line:65% size:55% Welcome back. Thanks Mike. 07:09.862 --> 07:11.197 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% And because the events of last year 07:11.297 --> 07:12.999 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% did not spring out of nowhere 07:13.099 --> 07:14.967 align:left position:30%,start line:65% size:60% because they have deep seeded roots 07:15.067 --> 07:17.670 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% we'll be hearing throughout the program from Brenda Tindle 07:17.770 --> 07:19.439 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% she is the staff historian 07:19.539 --> 07:21.674 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% at the Levine Museum of the new self. 07:21.774 --> 07:24.277 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% Welcome back to you as well. Thank you so much for having me. 07:24.377 --> 07:26.412 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% Vickie let me start with you Vicky Foster 07:26.512 --> 07:29.816 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% due to the rash of violence or the rash of videos 07:29.916 --> 07:32.452 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% I should say that are usually taken by camera phones 07:32.552 --> 07:35.154 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% by bystanders to these incidents involving police. 07:35.688 --> 07:37.924 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% The nation at large has been exposed over time 07:38.024 --> 07:42.495 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% to the confrontations between police and usually black men 07:42.595 --> 07:44.864 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% and we're seeing something that the black community has known 07:44.964 --> 07:46.365 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% about for a very long time 07:46.466 --> 07:48.534 align:left position:27.5%,start line:65% size:62.5% which came as news to many people 07:48.634 --> 07:50.236 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% who are not in that community. 07:50.336 --> 07:52.738 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% And of course the Scott shooting followed on the heels 07:52.839 --> 07:56.476 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% of many of those incidents last year that were on television. 07:57.677 --> 08:01.614 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% >> So how would you assess your department's Europe 08:01.714 --> 08:05.718 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% Department's interactions with the African-American community 08:05.818 --> 08:07.987 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% in our city then and now. 08:08.955 --> 08:12.658 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% Well I think you know after the riots we took a look at. 08:13.192 --> 08:16.262 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% >> What we've always known is that there is still distrust 08:16.362 --> 08:17.897 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% within the African-American community. 08:18.431 --> 08:21.901 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% And so what we learned was that it was a little deeper 08:22.001 --> 08:23.569 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% than what we thought. 08:23.669 --> 08:27.206 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% And our focus since then has been on continuing 08:27.306 --> 08:28.841 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% to build relationships 08:28.941 --> 08:31.110 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% in our African-American communities. 08:31.210 --> 08:33.646 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% And so we've done a lot of different things. 08:34.180 --> 08:36.682 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% And some of those things have worked really well 08:37.283 --> 08:39.685 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% and some of those things were continuing to improve. 08:40.253 --> 08:42.488 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% You know one of the things that we did right after the riots 08:42.588 --> 08:45.925 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% where we started construction conversation teams 08:46.025 --> 08:48.661 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% what we learned was that people wanted to be heard 08:49.228 --> 08:52.398 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% and people were not being heard at that particular time. 08:53.065 --> 08:55.768 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% And we learned that that was one of the key elements 08:55.868 --> 08:57.003 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% is that people want to be heard. 08:57.103 --> 09:00.473 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% They want to be able to express their feelings. 09:00.573 --> 09:03.442 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% And so these teams now if we have an incident 09:04.076 --> 09:06.312 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% we have 40 plus officers trained 09:06.412 --> 09:09.015 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% that actually deploy to the actual incident 09:09.115 --> 09:12.218 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% and they are the ones that talk to citizens 09:12.318 --> 09:14.887 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% and try to tell them you know OK what's going on 09:14.987 --> 09:16.689 align:left position:27.5%,start line:65% size:62.5% and try to let off 09:16.789 --> 09:19.559 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% and let citizens understand exactly what's going on 09:19.659 --> 09:21.294 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% because at that particular time 09:21.394 --> 09:23.529 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% they're not able to get the answers that they want. 09:24.397 --> 09:26.499 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% >> So we've had two black police chiefs. 09:26.599 --> 09:27.900 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% You're the assistant police chief. 09:28.000 --> 09:29.702 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% You're also African-American. 09:29.802 --> 09:32.138 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% Does it what does what when things like this happen 09:32.238 --> 09:34.073 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% when you see these shootings on television 09:34.173 --> 09:36.542 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% and when you and you're at the head of your own departments 09:36.642 --> 09:38.044 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% What do you think what goes through your mind. 09:39.078 --> 09:41.948 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% >> Well you know for me and I can only speak for myself 09:42.048 --> 09:45.718 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% I mean any time I see a officer involved shooting 09:45.818 --> 09:48.020 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% whether it's CMPD or across the country. 09:48.120 --> 09:49.755 align:left position:30%,start line:65% size:60% I mean obviously I'm disheartened. 09:50.623 --> 09:53.225 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% I do think that there are shootings that. 09:53.326 --> 09:54.961 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% Have really really caused 09:55.061 --> 09:56.762 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% some serious problems in our community 09:56.862 --> 09:59.732 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% because there were not what people would consider 09:59.832 --> 10:01.267 align:left position:32.5%,start line:65% size:57.5% to be justice. 10:01.367 --> 10:04.837 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% And so I would say that every time I see that I'm concerned 10:05.705 --> 10:08.207 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% depending on the circumstances of that actual particular 10:08.307 --> 10:10.109 align:left position:30%,start line:65% size:60% shooting you know I have questions 10:10.209 --> 10:11.711 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% just as well as anybody else. 10:11.811 --> 10:14.413 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% You know I'm still human even though I'm a police officer 10:14.513 --> 10:15.915 align:left position:30%,start line:65% size:60% I'm still human. 10:16.015 --> 10:19.085 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% So I'm always disheartened by officer involved shootings. 10:19.185 --> 10:20.720 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% >> If there has been anything good 10:20.820 --> 10:22.188 align:left position:30%,start line:65% size:60% that has come out of this shooting 10:22.288 --> 10:23.623 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% and all the other shootings 10:23.723 --> 10:26.959 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% it is that there is a raised public awareness about things 10:27.059 --> 10:29.328 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% that have been well-known in the African-American community. 10:29.428 --> 10:30.863 align:left position:27.5%,start line:65% size:62.5% Robert Dawkins one of those things 10:30.963 --> 10:33.866 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% is profiling a lot of African-Americans 10:33.966 --> 10:35.701 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% allege that they're pulled over by police 10:35.801 --> 10:37.903 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% or follow through department stores by security guards 10:38.004 --> 10:40.306 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% because of the color of their skin. 10:40.406 --> 10:43.409 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% And your organization SAVE Coalition and C 10:43.509 --> 10:45.344 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% has been working on what you are working 10:45.444 --> 10:49.448 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% on ending what you call discriminatory profiling. 10:49.548 --> 10:50.916 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% How prevalent would you say 10:51.017 --> 10:54.253 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% that has been in Charlotte and throughout North Carolina. 10:54.353 --> 10:57.556 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% >> It's been prevalent since 1865. 10:57.657 --> 10:59.892 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% And every city in every state of the country. 11:02.428 --> 11:06.265 align:left position:30%,start line:65% size:60% But what we found 11:06.365 --> 11:10.036 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% from what Charlotte found from Keith Lamont Scotts 11:10.136 --> 11:12.538 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% when African-Americans is not known for years 11:12.638 --> 11:14.874 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% that there is a basis for us to say 11:14.974 --> 11:16.809 align:left position:35%,start line:65% size:55% that the that 11:16.909 --> 11:20.913 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% there is mistrusts with us from the police department. 11:21.013 --> 11:26.485 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% I mean this goes back from you know slavery and slave catchers 11:26.585 --> 11:30.122 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% to peonage to all of the other things 11:30.222 --> 11:32.324 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% that the police department and the sheriff's department 11:32.425 --> 11:36.362 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% were the legalized people 11:36.462 --> 11:38.164 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% to round up African-Americans 11:38.264 --> 11:39.632 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% and to punish African-Americans 11:39.732 --> 11:41.434 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% and I think that the police department 11:41.534 --> 11:45.171 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% is making an attempt to fix that history. 11:45.771 --> 11:49.608 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% But every time more incidents like this happens it pulls 11:49.709 --> 11:50.843 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% that Band-Aid off again. 11:50.943 --> 11:52.445 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% >> But you work around the state of them. 11:52.545 --> 11:54.780 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% If I understand this correctly you work around the state. 11:54.880 --> 11:57.316 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% So are there areas of the state that are more receptive 11:57.416 --> 12:00.453 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% to seeing this as a problem that has been ongoing. 12:00.553 --> 12:02.421 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% No. I want to work to fix it. 12:02.521 --> 12:05.591 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% Are there areas of the state reluctance to do that. 12:05.691 --> 12:07.893 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% >> So there are cities in the state 12:07.993 --> 12:09.729 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% that may pay more attention 12:09.829 --> 12:14.333 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% and may pay more lip service to it like ash 12:14.433 --> 12:16.769 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% fell to Chapel Hill at Durham. 12:16.869 --> 12:19.405 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% But at the same time they pay more attention to it. 12:19.505 --> 12:22.007 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% They speak more about it and within the same off 12:22.108 --> 12:23.609 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% somebody that's African-American 12:23.709 --> 12:28.314 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% will still be be arrested or shot by police. 12:28.414 --> 12:31.550 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% So I don't think that that's helped fix the problem either. 12:33.686 --> 12:36.055 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% >> Some say this stems from racism some say it stems from 12:36.155 --> 12:38.824 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% fear perhaps it stems from both there seems to be a fear 12:38.924 --> 12:40.126 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% in some of the people 12:40.226 --> 12:42.828 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% in the public of African-American men 12:42.928 --> 12:44.597 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% in particular particularly at night 12:44.697 --> 12:46.265 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% and and in certain situations. 12:46.999 --> 12:48.901 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% Brenda you were at the Levine Museum of the new stuff 12:49.001 --> 12:52.705 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% you've done lots of exhibits on this you've done more programs 12:52.805 --> 12:56.175 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% probably than we have on this issue. Where 12:56.275 --> 12:59.445 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% >> does this suspicion of African-Americans 12:59.545 --> 13:04.116 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% and this fear of African-American men come from. 13:04.216 --> 13:10.055 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% >> Historically historically I think to to your point 13:10.589 --> 13:13.359 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% that that is really deeply embedded 13:13.459 --> 13:15.394 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% in the history of slavery. 13:16.095 --> 13:21.066 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% And I would argue that you know the 13th amendment in particular 13:21.167 --> 13:25.771 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% which was meant to provide the constitutional teeth 13:26.405 --> 13:30.409 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% for the dismantling of the institution of slavery 13:30.509 --> 13:33.145 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% that the 13th Amendment actually has a loophole 13:33.245 --> 13:37.383 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% that criminalizes black men in particular. 13:38.417 --> 13:40.953 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% And so when we talk about the ways in which 13:41.053 --> 13:45.057 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% that suspicion is sort of nurtured. 13:45.157 --> 13:51.063 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% I mean it's in our legislation it is in our social mores. 13:51.163 --> 13:54.166 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% It is in it's in the ground. 13:55.267 --> 13:58.237 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% Most of us don't invention of the contemporary period. 13:58.337 --> 13:59.805 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% >> Right. I would wager that most of us 13:59.905 --> 14:02.107 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% don't know that about the Constitution. 14:02.208 --> 14:07.379 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% So if we don't know what how is it that we have it in our genes. 14:10.115 --> 14:11.550 align:left position:27.5%,start line:65% size:62.5% >> I don't know that I'm suggesting 14:11.650 --> 14:13.485 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% that it's in our genes what I'm suggesting 14:13.586 --> 14:19.758 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% is that the laws often inform the social realities. 14:19.859 --> 14:21.827 align:left position:27.5%,start line:65% size:62.5% >> Is there any empirical evidence 14:21.927 --> 14:25.097 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% historically speaking that justifies the sphere. 14:25.998 --> 14:27.633 align:left position:27.5%,start line:65% size:62.5% >> Absolutely not. 14:27.733 --> 14:29.501 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% >> I knew you would say it 14:29.602 --> 14:30.936 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% but I wanted to ask the question. 14:32.137 --> 14:34.874 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% Kurt Putney's Deputy Chief Kerr Putney 14:34.974 --> 14:37.643 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% promised to take steps to ease the tensions 14:37.743 --> 14:41.146 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% that we saw last year with these protests and riots. 14:41.247 --> 14:45.284 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% The city hired an organization called the police foundation 14:45.384 --> 14:47.519 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% a group out of Washington to study the department. 14:47.620 --> 14:49.989 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% Their report has yet to be released I'm told. 14:50.089 --> 14:53.826 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% Putney's says that CMPD has changed nonetheless. 14:53.926 --> 14:56.729 align:left position:27.5%,start line:65% size:62.5% Critics say reforms haven't happened so 14:56.829 --> 14:59.231 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% while we've been waiting for this Police Foundation 14:59.331 --> 15:02.067 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% report what has CMPD done. 15:02.167 --> 15:04.436 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% Vicki Foster to improve things. 15:04.536 --> 15:06.572 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% >> So you know as I started talking about 15:06.672 --> 15:08.407 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% just constructing teams 15:08.507 --> 15:11.010 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% you know we did transparency workshops. 15:11.110 --> 15:13.646 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% What we found is that a lot of people felt on the rise 15:13.746 --> 15:15.014 align:left position:27.5%,start line:65% size:62.5% that we weren't being transparent. 15:15.915 --> 15:18.884 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% They felt that we were not selling everything 15:18.984 --> 15:21.420 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% and so we started doing transparency workshops 15:21.520 --> 15:25.824 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% which are for our citizens it is an abbreviated Citizen's Academy 15:25.925 --> 15:27.993 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% where they can come out and learn why we do 15:28.093 --> 15:30.663 align:left position:27.5%,start line:65% size:62.5% what we do learn about our policies 15:30.763 --> 15:32.031 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% learn about our procedures 15:32.131 --> 15:34.934 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% so they can understand sometimes not always 15:35.034 --> 15:36.368 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% because no matter what people are not going 15:36.468 --> 15:38.871 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% to always understand why we do what we do. 15:38.971 --> 15:40.406 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% But we did do those workshops 15:40.506 --> 15:41.874 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% and we are continuing to do those. 15:41.974 --> 15:44.476 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% We've had over 100 citizens to go through those. 15:44.576 --> 15:47.012 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% We implemented de-escalation training 15:47.112 --> 15:50.616 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% which we have always done de-escalation training. 15:50.716 --> 15:53.419 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% It was within other areas of our training. 15:53.519 --> 15:56.021 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% We now have a specific block that is two hours 15:56.121 --> 15:57.589 align:left position:30%,start line:65% size:60% that all officers have gone through 15:58.223 --> 15:59.591 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% for de-escalation training. 16:00.326 --> 16:04.697 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% On top of you know the Chief does so many community forms. 16:05.197 --> 16:08.300 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% He's out in the community as often as he possibly can 16:08.400 --> 16:09.568 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% and they're very open 16:09.668 --> 16:11.904 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% and candid it forms if you've ever attended 16:12.004 --> 16:13.539 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% where he gives people the opportunity 16:13.639 --> 16:15.374 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% to ask what they want to ask. 16:15.474 --> 16:16.942 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% Is it making a difference do you think. 16:17.543 --> 16:18.944 align:left position:27.5%,start line:65% size:62.5% I think he's making a big difference 16:19.044 --> 16:21.113 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% because whenever you are able to ask 16:21.213 --> 16:22.915 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% the leader of an organization 16:23.015 --> 16:26.218 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% whatever you want to ask and you get an answer. 16:26.318 --> 16:28.020 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% I absolutely think he's making a difference. 16:28.654 --> 16:30.055 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% >> Go ahead Robert, you want to jump in there? 16:30.155 --> 16:33.092 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% >> And I do think the chief has done wonderful things 16:33.192 --> 16:35.427 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% with have in his transparency workshops. 16:35.527 --> 16:38.998 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% But you have workshops you talk about transparency 16:39.098 --> 16:42.568 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% but transparency you've got to be either totally transparent 16:43.068 --> 16:44.603 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% or you're not going to be transparent at all 16:44.703 --> 16:46.105 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% and there's no middle ground. 16:46.205 --> 16:48.774 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% So at the same time that you have transparency workshops 16:48.874 --> 16:52.778 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% you have in January the shooting of housewife Diaz 16:52.878 --> 16:53.879 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% and the police department 16:53.979 --> 16:55.347 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% doesn't want to release that video 16:55.447 --> 16:56.849 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% and they say they don't want to release the video 16:56.949 --> 16:58.851 align:left position:27.5%,start line:65% size:62.5% because the officer was undercover. 16:58.951 --> 17:00.619 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% Well you could block out the officers face 17:00.719 --> 17:02.254 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% and still show the video. 17:02.354 --> 17:04.790 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% Then last week when citizens review board 17:04.890 --> 17:05.991 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% made recommendations 17:06.091 --> 17:07.626 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% we didn't get all of the recommendations. 17:07.726 --> 17:09.395 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% We only got part recommendations. 17:09.928 --> 17:12.731 align:left position:32.5%,start line:65% size:57.5% So transparency has to be 360. 17:13.332 --> 17:16.035 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% It can't be half of that or you'll never build public trust. 17:16.935 --> 17:19.705 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% >> One of the things that you mentioned a second ago 17:20.272 --> 17:23.242 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% was that you want people to understand how the police works 17:23.342 --> 17:24.743 align:left position:27.5%,start line:65% size:62.5% and why they do the things they do. 17:24.843 --> 17:26.712 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% One of the big questions a lot of people 17:26.812 --> 17:30.549 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% have is why do police have to resort more times 17:30.649 --> 17:33.986 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% than not it seems to the use of deadly force. 17:34.086 --> 17:37.389 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% We have tasers and things like that so many times 17:37.489 --> 17:39.925 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% this deadly force is used against minorities 17:40.025 --> 17:41.593 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% not just black people but other minorities. 17:41.693 --> 17:44.396 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% It seems that way to outsiders from your point of view 17:44.496 --> 17:45.831 align:left position:27.5%,start line:65% size:62.5% is that what it is. 17:45.931 --> 17:48.434 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% >> Well what I can tell you is when you say use more times 17:48.534 --> 17:53.672 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% than not we have over six hundred thousand contacts 17:53.772 --> 17:56.542 align:left position:27.5%,start line:65% size:62.5% close contacts with citizens every day. 17:56.642 --> 18:00.312 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% So regardless one officer involved shooting is too many. 18:00.412 --> 18:03.582 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% But when you say more often than not that's a little misleading 18:03.682 --> 18:07.753 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% because we work 24 hours a day 365 days a year. 18:07.853 --> 18:09.555 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% We have contacts with citizens all day. 18:09.655 --> 18:12.124 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% So it's what we see. It's what it sounds see 18:12.224 --> 18:13.992 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% and it's the ones that are the most important. 18:14.093 --> 18:16.728 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% I mean someone losing their life is the most important. 18:16.829 --> 18:18.363 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% That's the most important piece. 18:18.464 --> 18:20.799 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% But to say that is is a little misleading 18:20.899 --> 18:24.703 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% because we have 600000 contacts with citizens a year 18:24.803 --> 18:27.206 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% so that's a little misleading. 18:27.306 --> 18:28.841 align:left position:32.5%,start line:65% size:57.5% >> Ok, Robert? 18:28.941 --> 18:31.143 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% >> And again I agree with the assistant chief. 18:31.243 --> 18:33.178 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% But like citizens review board 18:34.246 --> 18:36.915 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% we can't just talk about officer involved shootings. 18:37.015 --> 18:41.353 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% There's cases that either just go to the sergeant level 18:41.453 --> 18:44.590 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% which are smaller infractions to larger cases 18:44.690 --> 18:46.625 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% they get heard by command staff 18:46.725 --> 18:48.927 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% to cases that make it to internal affairs 18:49.027 --> 18:52.664 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% so the whole experience of being disenfranchised 18:52.764 --> 18:55.601 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% and profound isn't just a police shooting. 18:55.701 --> 18:57.436 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% It's also a traffic stop. 18:57.536 --> 18:59.304 align:left position:27.5%,start line:65% size:62.5% It's also being at the bus terminal 18:59.404 --> 19:02.141 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% and the transit police treat people to a different way. 19:02.241 --> 19:05.344 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% It's you know going in the neighborhoods 19:05.444 --> 19:06.645 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% that they don't believe that you should be 19:06.745 --> 19:09.248 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% in having a stop that you can't justify. 19:09.348 --> 19:12.451 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% Even though now we're do an articulable reasons 19:12.551 --> 19:14.553 align:left position:30%,start line:65% size:60% for traffic stops 19:15.053 --> 19:16.321 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% there is still there is a thing 19:16.421 --> 19:18.757 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% so I don't want it all to be confined to the two 19:18.857 --> 19:20.659 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% or three police shootings. 19:20.759 --> 19:22.928 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% This is a compensating problem 19:23.028 --> 19:25.864 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% that African-Americans and Latinos and LGBTQ 19:25.964 --> 19:27.232 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% people go through daily 19:27.332 --> 19:28.600 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% which raises the temperature 19:28.700 --> 19:30.936 align:left position:27.5%,start line:65% size:62.5% of any contact with police does it not. 19:31.036 --> 19:33.071 align:left position:32.5%,start line:65% size:57.5% >> Yes it does. 19:33.172 --> 19:36.275 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% >> Your organization worked on reforms in 2012 19:36.375 --> 19:38.610 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% on the Citizen Review Board 19:38.710 --> 19:42.281 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% and those reforms led to I'm told more cases 19:42.381 --> 19:45.350 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% including the Scott case to be granted fact finding hearings. 19:45.450 --> 19:48.120 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% But in all the years of its existence 19:48.754 --> 19:50.556 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% the citizen review review board 19:50.656 --> 19:55.227 align:left position:27.5%,start line:65% size:62.5% has never sided against the police 19:55.327 --> 19:58.764 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% and in the most recent situation with the Scott 19:58.864 --> 20:02.334 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% shooting the review board took the side of Chief Putney 20:02.901 --> 20:07.506 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% saying that the officer involved had the right to do what he did 20:07.606 --> 20:08.840 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% was he was following policy 20:08.941 --> 20:11.643 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% he was within it within policy of doing what he did. 20:13.345 --> 20:15.647 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% But they did that on a four four split decision. 20:16.281 --> 20:18.483 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% That's because the entire complement of the board 20:18.584 --> 20:22.287 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% wasn't there for I think a slightly specious reasons. 20:22.387 --> 20:27.926 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% So given their record has the board always sided with police 20:28.026 --> 20:32.297 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% because police have always been right and done the right thing 20:32.397 --> 20:34.866 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% or is there a fundamental problem 20:34.967 --> 20:36.602 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% with the Citizen Review Board? 20:36.702 --> 20:39.771 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% >> There's a fundamental problem at the citizen's review board. 20:39.871 --> 20:46.178 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% First problem [applause] with the citizens review board 20:46.278 --> 20:49.081 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% is not an independent police board it's a board 20:49.181 --> 20:51.850 align:left position:27.5%,start line:65% size:62.5% that you are making that is hearing. 20:53.318 --> 20:55.687 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% Following up on an internal affairs investigation 20:55.787 --> 20:57.289 align:left position:27.5%,start line:65% size:62.5% and basically what you're trying to do 20:57.389 --> 20:59.858 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% is poke holes in the internal affairs -- 20:59.958 --> 21:03.295 align:left position:30%,start line:65% size:60% the internal affairs decision. 21:03.395 --> 21:04.763 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% It has no power to go in 21:04.863 --> 21:07.666 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% and independently investigate its own cases. 21:07.766 --> 21:09.434 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% It has no subpoena power 21:09.534 --> 21:12.571 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% to subpoena witnesses to come before it. 21:12.671 --> 21:15.240 align:left position:27.5%,start line:65% size:62.5% And of course it's a advisory board 21:15.340 --> 21:16.875 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% so it can't make any decisions 21:16.975 --> 21:18.310 align:left position:35%,start line:65% size:55% to terminate 21:18.410 --> 21:20.412 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% or discipline an officer. 21:21.046 --> 21:23.148 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% How does the police review the police advisory 21:23.248 --> 21:24.650 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% board the Citizen Review Board. 21:26.318 --> 21:28.553 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% >> How does police view this as it were. 21:29.187 --> 21:30.555 align:left position:27.5%,start line:65% size:62.5% I mean I don't know that I can answer 21:30.656 --> 21:32.190 align:left position:32.5%,start line:65% size:57.5% how police view 21:32.291 --> 21:33.425 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% this citizens review board. 21:33.525 --> 21:35.527 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% >> I mean they've never sided against you. So 21:35.627 --> 21:39.131 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% >> I mean well it's not about whether they side against us 21:39.231 --> 21:43.035 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% or whether they you know side you know for us or against us. 21:43.135 --> 21:45.070 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% I mean we are appreciative of the fact 21:45.170 --> 21:47.072 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% that there is an independent group 21:47.172 --> 21:50.075 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% that takes a look at the investigation. 21:50.175 --> 21:52.544 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% I mean the people that are on that board 21:52.644 --> 21:54.179 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% are not people that we selected 21:54.279 --> 21:55.847 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% is not people we put on the board. 21:56.415 --> 21:58.216 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% So you know even though people don't want to say 21:58.317 --> 22:00.552 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% it's an independent board we don't have you 22:00.652 --> 22:02.054 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% know connections we didn't have anything to do 22:02.154 --> 22:03.655 align:left position:27.5%,start line:65% size:62.5% with the people that are on there. 22:03.755 --> 22:05.857 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% And I will say this I do think 22:05.957 --> 22:08.327 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% that from the civil service board 22:08.427 --> 22:09.928 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% to the Citizen Review Board 22:10.028 --> 22:12.431 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% I do think you have to look at anybody's motive 22:12.531 --> 22:14.833 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% that wants to be on any board 22:14.933 --> 22:16.868 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% and whether that is pro-police 22:16.968 --> 22:19.771 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% and whether that is against police officers. 22:19.871 --> 22:21.106 align:left position:27.5%,start line:65% size:62.5% So I do think that 22:21.206 --> 22:22.874 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% that's one of the things that needs to be looked at 22:22.974 --> 22:25.610 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% and there's not really many qualifications 22:25.711 --> 22:27.713 align:left position:27.5%,start line:65% size:62.5% to be on the board. 22:28.547 --> 22:31.917 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% >> Will we ever hear the full recommendations 22:32.017 --> 22:33.952 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% that they put out following the Keith Scutt shooting 22:34.052 --> 22:35.754 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% will we ever see those recommendations. 22:35.854 --> 22:37.022 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% >> I mean I can't answer that 22:37.122 --> 22:38.724 align:left position:27.5%,start line:65% size:62.5% because I'm not the chief of police 22:38.824 --> 22:41.960 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% but I would tell you that you know the untransparent 22:42.060 --> 22:43.261 align:left position:32.5%,start line:65% size:57.5% is what he does 22:43.362 --> 22:45.130 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% so I can't tell you what well actually I have 22:45.230 --> 22:46.832 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% these I have a minute left in this segment 22:46.932 --> 22:48.533 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% and transparency is one of the big things 22:48.633 --> 22:50.736 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% to come out of this shooting of last year. 22:50.836 --> 22:52.404 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% >> And there's a new law on the books 22:52.504 --> 22:56.641 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% that prevents police from releasing the videos 22:56.742 --> 22:58.877 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% from body and dash cam and even security cameras 22:58.977 --> 23:01.113 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% not even elected officials can see them 23:01.213 --> 23:04.216 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% or without the permission of a judge correct. 23:04.316 --> 23:07.486 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% Is that a wise law given the political tenor 23:07.586 --> 23:09.221 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% and the and the frustration seething 23:09.321 --> 23:10.989 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% throughout the community. 23:11.089 --> 23:14.159 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% >> Well I'm not going to say that it's a wise law I mean 23:14.259 --> 23:17.229 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% because the people that need to see it immediately such 23:17.329 --> 23:19.331 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% as the family the people that are involved 23:19.865 --> 23:21.366 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% they do have the ability to petition 23:21.466 --> 23:23.635 align:left position:32.5%,start line:65% size:57.5% to see you know 23:23.735 --> 23:25.570 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% whether it's it's right 23:25.670 --> 23:27.973 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% for it to have to go to a judge to be released. 23:28.073 --> 23:30.575 align:left position:15%,start line:65% size:75% I don't know but what I will tell you is that if you 23:30.675 --> 23:33.645 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% leave that in the hands of individual police chiefs 23:33.745 --> 23:35.414 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% and then you will have a difference 23:35.514 --> 23:37.649 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% and who releases what and who doesn't. 23:37.749 --> 23:40.218 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% So I think that there had to be some type of law 23:40.318 --> 23:41.686 align:left position:12.5%,start line:65% size:77.5% with some type of requirements 23:41.787 --> 23:44.189 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% as to when and how you released a video. 23:44.289 --> 23:45.590 align:left position:35%,start line:65% size:55% So I do agree 23:45.690 --> 23:49.694 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% that you have to have some type of rules as to when you can. 23:50.529 --> 23:51.663 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% >> You have 10 seconds. 23:51.763 --> 23:53.899 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% That's not exactly how the law is worded. 23:53.999 --> 23:55.834 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% The law is worded that the police chief 23:55.934 --> 23:57.669 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% gets to make a decision. 23:57.769 --> 24:00.038 align:left position:20%,start line:65% size:70% If your image is captured in the video 24:00.138 --> 24:03.008 align:left position:25%,start line:65% size:65% to release the video within 36 hours 24:03.108 --> 24:05.444 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% if you do not grant it 24:05.544 --> 24:07.913 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% then you can ask a judge to have the video released. 24:08.013 --> 24:11.249 align:left position:17.5%,start line:65% size:72.5% >> Robert Dawkins with SAVE Coalition North Carolina 24:11.349 --> 24:13.185 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% Vicky Foster assistant chief of CMPD. 24:13.285 --> 24:15.053 align:left position:22.5%,start line:65% size:67.5% They'll return later in the program as well. 24:15.153 --> 24:16.988 align:left position:10%,start line:65% size:80% Brenda Tindal a staff historian 24:17.088 --> 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