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McLeod Farms in McBee 
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This family farm offers 
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Well, hello. Welcome to Making 
It Grow. We're so glad

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that you can join us. We are 
going to do something

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that really is fun. 
We're going to visit

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people's gardens. So that 
you get to enjoy all the

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hard work they've done and 
just take in the beauty

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from the comfort of your 
own living room.

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The first place we're 
going to go is to the

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top of Paris Mountain

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outside Greenville. Davis 
Sanders took us up there and

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introduced us to this 
lovely couple the Bradshaws.

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You know some husbands 
and wives can't

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garden together because 
sometimes one person has

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a strong idea or the other 
person doesn't agree.

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This couple seems to have a 
wonderful relationship

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and the transformations 
they take into this tip top

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garden are absolutely 
phenomenal.

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We are at the top of 
Paris Mountain near

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Greenville, South Carolina 
in a garden that

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appropriately is called 
Stoney Waters. And this is

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the garden of Dee 
and Bill Bradshaw.

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Bill this is a wonderful garden 
and

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y'all knew 
a little bit about gardening

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in this kind 
of zone or environment because

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of being from Arkansas. 
But you didn't know

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what was going to 
happen when you tried

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to put a shovel 
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Right. This soil is

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very much like Crush and 
Run except it's red.

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So what we did was build 
terrace walls and then dig

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out the more native soil 
and sift it to get the

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gravel, the larger pieces 
of gravel. And then we

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brought in about 
120 cubic yards of

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good soil to mix in with 
the native soil. But you

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had a beautiful bedroom. 
You have a post-and-beam

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house and you wanted a 
view from your bedroom.

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And I think that started it. 
Yeah, actually I decided

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to build the house so that 
every room has a window

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that looks out on what 
would eventually become a

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garden. And so over the 
seven years that we built

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the gardens around the 
house, we would add to the

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garden for each of the 
windows. And the first one

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was the triangle the first 
one was the triangle

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garden, which is what we 
could see from the master

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bedroom. And let's talk a 
little bit about that one.

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Well the most prominent 
feature that it has is

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a hibiscus that is

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red and about the size of my 
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and we have some images 
with about 40 flowers on

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that hardy hibiscus but 
you also everywhere we look

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have lots of 
hydrangeas, the white woody

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hydrangeas. Some being the 
native oak leaves and

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some being the 
paniculatas yes. And

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they are a feature that we 
see repeated throughout

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the garden and we see a 
lot of them there too and

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everywhere we look we see 
plants for pollinators

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the echinacea and 
Rudbeckia is just evident

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when they talk about 
repetition how wonderful

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that you're using 
something and so

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valuable to the 
native- We have a lot of

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native pollinators. 
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different kinds too. And 
then we go from the

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triangle. You finally 
decided that you would

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since we were on top of a 
mountain that maybe you should

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use some curves to what I 
think is a crescent garden

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Yeah, virtually all the 
rest of the garden are curves.

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We tend to like 
curves more than straight

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lines. When you sent me the 
original pictures of the

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garden I thought it was 
acres and acres and

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actually. It's about an 
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you feel like you've gone 
around the world

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and so I go to the Crescent 
Garden and that's kind

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of out there more open and a 
very sunny spot.

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It's a good bit. Just a nice 
variety of things.

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And you said that's kind of 
typical of y'all.

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That's not a master 
plan behind it.

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No we just did each section.

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We'd finish a 
section like in the Fall.

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And then we do another 
one in the Spring and then

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during the summer we just 
coast through and

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try and keep everything alive.

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No wonder. Because you don't 
have you irrigation.

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No. We do not 
we water everything by

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hand or with over 
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As we move on around we get 
to a little

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Charleston garden which is very 
sweet and has a little fountain.

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Then we come to what I 
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but I think very 
beautiful and that's that

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hillside shade garden. Right. 
And that's the

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termination point of one 
of our streams.

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And it's a shade garden that's 
built into a rocky hillside.

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Everywhere I look is rocky. 
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brought a lot of 
amendments up here,

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but the one amendment 
you did not

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have to bring was rocks. 
Most of the rocks

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in fact all of the 
rocks that are

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in the upper garden 
are what

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we call the mountain garden

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where we're sitting now 
have come out of these

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beds. They've been dug to 
about 18 inches in depth

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and you find a tremendous 
number of red native

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rocks when you start 
digging in these hills. And

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then as we move on around, 
I don't know why

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Dee thought that she was 
going to sit and enjoy

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breakfast and a second cup 
of coffee at all. But she

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did. And so she planned I 
think that was the

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first water feature 
perhaps. Yes.

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So tell us about 
that water feature.

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Well, in Little Rock 
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there for seven years, we 
did have a small very

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small pond right outside 
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When we decided to move 
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she wanted to duplicate that.

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So we did it on a grander scale

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But it is one that you 
can look down from the

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breakfast area into the 
pond and then we have two

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waterfalls that go into 
the pond.

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And moving uphill from that 
we have kind of a grand pool.

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That's the 3000 
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it is primarily useful to us in 
terms of

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water lilies. And we 
have pictures with 18, 20

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water lilies blooming 
at one time in that pond.

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So you really haven't 
limited yourself to one

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particular type of plant 
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You have a lot of flowering

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perennials that come back 
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a lot of shade 
loving perennials you

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have woody plant material 
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that I think is a cohesive 
force and really makes it all

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fit together on this 
mountainside is your use of

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conifers. We enjoy the full 
year view that they provide us.

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Yes. They also make 
a nice transition

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because your property 
very fortunately abuts

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a park. Right! Paris Mountain 
State Park is one of our

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neighbors, the neighbor to 
the east. So the Sun rises

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over Paris Mountain State 
Park into our bedroom.

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Then when you thought 
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rest on your laurels 
a piece of property

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up mountainside came available. 
Right! Where we're sitting right

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now is a piece of property 
that we bought the lower

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half of. It's roughly 200 
feet by 70 feet from our

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driveway and we've spent 
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developing gardens in this 
space. And I think

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one of the most beautiful 
aspects of this garden is

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the sunset garden, which 
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And this is the time to see 
it with the day lilies

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blooming although we do 
try and have it also

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continue through the 
summer with coleus. But the

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day lilies are the 
showiest part of

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the sunset garden. And we got 
that idea out of a book

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I read that Monet had both 
a sunrise and a sunset

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garden where the plant 
material gave the colors

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of the two times of day, 
so we decided to focus on

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the sunset. Bill, there are very 
few times when you were

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sitting and getting to 
enjoy the fruits of these

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labors. I think you told 
me that y'all spend in a

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thousand hours. Well 
between the two of us,

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we're spending about 700 
hours each in gardening

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activities. Now that 
includes going to buy

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plants as well as 
planting and watering and

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going to dump with the 
plant material that's

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being trimmed and thrown 
away. But this is a garden

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that looks like it would 
be a garden at an estate

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where there were full-time 
gardeners and yet I think

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it's remarkable that you 
and your wife have

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put your passion for 
nature and

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your love for the 
outdoors and in

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creating this and in sharing it 
with people.

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I know that you have 
fundraisers here

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and it helps 
support a garden in

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downtown Greenville. And 
and we want to appreciate

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your opening the garden 
to Making It Grow today.

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Well, we're happy to 
have you visit.

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Thank you.

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When I first heard

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about this garden I thought it 
was several acres, because

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it's so many complex 
different features. There

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are some that reflect 
Asian influence. They're very

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interested in that. And 
then there are others

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that have a French 
influence which has

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particularly been 
accomplished through using color

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I think they call that 
the Monet garden.

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And then water is such an 
important aspect. They

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have lots of different 
filtration systems. It was

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quite an education for us 
to go there. They have

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waterfalls. They designed the 
garden so that as you

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move throughout the 
property, not only do you

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have all these different 
themes, but also as you sit

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at the breakfast table, 
look out from the

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windows upstairs, you see 
different parts of the

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garden that been enhanced 
and really have different

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thematic situations that 
they've managed to

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accomplish. Bob Smith 
lives not too far away

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the Paris Mountain. He's in 
downtown Greenville, right

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outside of Greenville. And 
he is interested in Koi.

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Of course Koi have been 
the rage for a while.

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They're such beautiful 
fish and many people

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simply just have a 
Koi pond. Not Bob Smith.

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He's turned his entire 
backyard into an area

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that reflects the Asian 
influence of this fish

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and uses water in many 
different aspects.

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Of course, he has the pond 
that has the fish in it,

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but then he has water 
tumbling over. He takes

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advantage of the natural 
elevation of his property

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to have waterfalls and 
then twisting areas.

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He brings in plants that 
reflect the Asian

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influence of the Koi. It 
really was a wonderful

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journey and we want to 
thank Danny Howard, a

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friend of ours who 
introduced us to Mr. Smith.

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We are in Greenville, South 
Carolina

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in the Japanese themed garden of

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Bob Smith. Bob, when you 
came here, this was I

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think one of those yards 
that gets yard of the month

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for overall neatness and 
tidiness because it was

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nothing but turf grass and 
trees. No, it was a

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blank canvas is what 
it was. And is that what

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you wanted? That's what I 
wanted,

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So I could create my own garden 
which is what I have done.

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Greenville and the upstate 
are notorious for infertile, not

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infertile but hard to 
deal with clay soil.

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Did you feel like you needed 
to transform the soil?

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I brought in about 20 truck 
loads of soil,

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topsoil and river sand and I 
mixed it together

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and formed berms around the 
entire yard, which

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I use for plantings for the 
larger trees,

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which gives 
us total privacy.

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One of the ways you also 
created the privacy here

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is through your use of sound, 
natural sound, the way

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you allow nature to 
provide music for you.

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Let's talk about 
how that operates. Sure.

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The number one thing for 
me is the waterfalls

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I have surrounding me. 
And then, two, we have a lot

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of large chimes 
throughout the yard to

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take advantage of the wind and 
I have made a 2000-year-old

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concept called Mohican wind 
harp,

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when the wind goes prevailing 
wind goes through

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strands of nylon it

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creates a very low harmonious 
sound going through the yard.

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Kind of a [humming sound]

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Exactly. Sets you in a 
meditative mood after

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you've been working all 
day and need to cool off.

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And sleep. So I always go down 
and my wife calls a hermit

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shed but I call 
it my teahouse.

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So I go down there.

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Imagine if you were down 
there and she needs you to

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take care of a very 
important honeydew

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she can take that little 
mallet and strike that bell?

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Now that my hearing gets 
very poor when I get down there.

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[laughter] let's talk 
about the beautiful bell.

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Thank you. The bell was 
originated

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back in 140 years ago 30 
miles south of Beijing, China.

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It was at the front 
of a monastery.

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A lot of times these 
older artifacts are

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taken to the market to be 
sold and I had

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a friend of mine in town that 
had a business

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who would go to China twice

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a year and shop for 
those types of things.

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Everything I had my yard 
is at least

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100 years old. It's usually 
hand-carved, granite

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or stone or like this 
bronze bell which

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I have and we had it 
now for about a year.

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We came up here today because 
we did not know about the

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beauty of the landscape.

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We came to talk about the 
Koi ponds and you said it

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wasn't so much the fish 
but the water associated

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with it that brought 
it all together.

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Let's talk about this 
beautiful Koi pond.

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Sure. If you study the Japanese 
garden you know

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it has to have a Koi 
pond in it right?

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I started with a waterfall 
concept and I had to decide

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how big I wanted the Koi pond to 
be which is measured

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in gallons of water.

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The one behind us 
is 3500 gallons.

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Right now, it has too 
many Koi because

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of the reproductive habits.

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So, I will be giving some of 
those away to

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the Clemson University 
for Dr. Beecher.

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He's coming next 
week. I'll give

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him a lot of Koi from 
my lower pond

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which is twice the 
size of this one

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and also hopefully 
he'll take some

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of my gold fish which 
are getting big also.

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So, they are small but 
they grow very quickly.

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They do.

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We are about 20 pounds and 
28 inches on

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some of the Koi down 
here in three years.

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They started like that.

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There's a technique that 
you need to use

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when you're 
establishing a Koi pond.

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Quickly explain to the 
viewers how you go about that.

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What you do, basically, 
decide what shape you want the

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Koi pond to be and 
how large it needs to be.

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Then you want to plan the 
specific like waterfall

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steps coming into the pond.

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This only has two.

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That one has five because 
it's about a 60 foot

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long waterfall stream.

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So, what that does is create 
a variation in the pond.

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You want that and you 
need aeration, if you have

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a lot of fish. So, that's 
important.

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I have five aeration devices 
in the lower pond and

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three in this one for that 
purpose.

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And I really I enjoyed seeing 
the different

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types of stones within the pond. 
The stones are round.

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And then on top 
they seem to be more angular.

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Is there a reason for that?

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The reason is you have 
Koi when they are spawning.

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the female Koi are 
bigger than the male Koi.

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They move around slower.

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What they do is 
they'll move around

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the edge of the 
pond and you will see

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them get chased by 
two or three male Koi

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around the edge of 
the pond and they'll

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hit the female on 
the side like this

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You can hear 
them, slapping.

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And causes the egg 
to be released

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and the males fertilize it

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and it comes out 
in a very sticky ribbon and

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attaches itself to the 
walls of the pond.

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These walls are made from 
river rock,

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which is rounded going 
down by water.

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That prevents the 
female from getting hurt

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against angular rocks. 
So she's pushed against the

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wall and she won't be injured.

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But then above that you 
have a different type.

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Tennessee field stone 
and it's flatter and

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sharper 
and easier to stack.

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As we look up here 
on the upper pond,

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there is what looks 
like a precariously balanced

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structure of stone.

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You said that has 
an interesting story.

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The karen was 
originated in China.

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Went to Japan and then came 
to Ireland and Scotland.

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This was 2000 years ago.

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Why did they- 
You said there were

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-- trail markers 
and signs of good luck.

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So I have a karen here and one 
down here in my sand area.

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Again, I want to create as 
much luck as possible.

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You have a good bit of 
bamboo here

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and you said 
you do keep after it.

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You have to.

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Even though, these are 
theoretically noninvasive

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bamboos. I have 
black and yellow.

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They are invasive 
so you have to keep

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your eye on them 
because in a few days you see

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strands growing from here 
to 15 feet away.

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They will grow up to 30 
feet high within six weeks.

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You have to be 
careful with them.

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The black bamboo is 
very beautiful and use

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that from a commercial 
source in the creation

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of your lovely teahouse.

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I did.

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I purchased it from a 
group in California.

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I picked black bamboo because 
I like that color and

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we stained it a similar color.

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It's stranded together with 
steel wire

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so it comes in rolls. 
It's easy.

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You just have to cut it 
which is not easy to do.

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which is so hard but you 
cut it to size you need

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and put it up as a wall.

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And then as we look around, 
you have so much privacy

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although you are in the 
middle of the subdivision.

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You've used many 
Asian seeming plants.

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Particularly the conifers 
and the Japanese Maples.

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Let's talk about 
the conifers first.

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Some of them have 
such a variety of color.

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These are all different shades 
of green and pretty hardy.

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That's why I like them. 
And then of course,

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since we do 
have an Asian theme,

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the Japanese 
Maples are so beautiful.

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Yes. I enjoy them. 
That's my favorite tree.

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The one that is beside you 
stays burgundy all summer.

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It is an old one. It's probably 
12 - 15 years old.

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I purchased it when it was not 
too much smaller than this.

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I have probably 25 
different Japanese Maples

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throughout the yard. They grow 
pretty aggressively here.

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Then, I just can't imagine

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how many rocks you have 
picked up and moved but

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there's also a spring bed 
because you have

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a fairly steep slope here 
and that area down there

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could have been just a morass.

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It was much like a bog 
when I first got here.

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Like you see that section, 
the full riverbed,

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So I put in, I dug 
a slight hole, a ditch

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that's about 115 feet long

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into a drain but then 
goes under my burn

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and goes on out to the 
national regular topography.

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And so, then you put in weed 
block, rubber liner and stone.

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The water flows 
down that slowly.

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It filters out. 
It'll also feed your

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yard, but it won't sit there, 
it keeps moving.

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This has been like a 
trip to Asia for me.

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I love history and to 
understand the reasons

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00:20:40,305 --> 00:20:42,307
behind architecture 
and why certain things

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00:20:42,407 --> 00:20:45,310
are done in different ways 
and how to interpret it.

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00:20:45,410 --> 00:20:48,413
It's connection with the 
past is just fascinating.

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I wonder if we could almost 
consider this,

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00:20:50,916 --> 00:20:52,117
It's certainly for me

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00:20:52,217 --> 00:20:53,418
it's been an education 
and maybe

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00:20:53,518 --> 00:20:56,255
we can signal the end of 
class by going

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down and striking 
that 150 year old bell.

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00:20:58,323 --> 00:20:59,524
That would be fine. Okay.

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00:20:59,625 --> 00:21:01,893
Bob Smith, thank you for 
sharing this beautiful creation.

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00:21:01,994 --> 00:21:02,861
Thank you very much.

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00:21:02,961 --> 00:21:12,070
♪

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(bell gongs)

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One of the things we most

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enjoyed about going to 
Bob Smith's garden was that

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as you went into the 
backyard, you felt like

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you've gotten off a plane 
in a different country.

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00:21:28,687 --> 00:21:31,390
It really was that dramatic a 
setting that he had

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created very effectively 
to give you the Asian

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feel. Everything in it 
was perfectly designed. He

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even has made a 
collection of Asian

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objects that add to that 
feeling and sense of being in a

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whole nother country. But 
it all took place right

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outside of Greenville. And then 
into my home community of

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Calhoun County, There is a 
garden that is perhaps

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00:21:52,611 --> 00:21:55,080
one of my very all time 
favorites. I don't get to

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travel very much. But 
thanks to Erline Wiles,

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00:21:57,749 --> 00:22:01,186
who does travel, I get to 
enjoy all the knowledge

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00:22:01,286 --> 00:22:03,822
that she's gained on her 
European trips and has

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00:22:03,922 --> 00:22:08,093
brought home to a large 
garden in Fort Motte.

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00:22:08,193 --> 00:22:11,063
Erline's husband, Kelly 
Wiles was a famous farmer,

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00:22:11,163 --> 00:22:14,900
very accomplished and he 
encouraged her in her

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00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,969
garden work and helped 
her. Erline still is out

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00:22:18,070 --> 00:22:20,205
there at the crack of 
dawn. She's a good farmer's

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00:22:20,305 --> 00:22:23,575
wife, working in her garden. 
This is not a garden where

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00:22:23,675 --> 00:22:26,445
Erline says please do 
this. Please do that. This

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00:22:26,545 --> 00:22:29,481
is a garden where Erline 
herself does so much of

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00:22:29,581 --> 00:22:32,751
the work and it is her 
creation. And she still

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00:22:32,851 --> 00:22:35,387
tends it very beautifully 
to this day.

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♪

445
00:23:02,848 --> 00:23:04,049
We are visiting with my friend

446
00:23:04,149 --> 00:23:06,885
Erline Wiles in 
Fort Motte, South Carolina.

447
00:23:06,985 --> 00:23:08,420
Fort Motte is a wonderful

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00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,790
farming community. 
To which you are bought

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as a young bride in 1949.

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00:23:15,060 --> 00:23:16,228
That's correct.

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00:23:16,328 --> 00:23:18,296
You grew up in a family 
down in Barnwell

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00:23:18,397 --> 00:23:20,332
and y'all farmed. That's 
correct.

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00:23:20,432 --> 00:23:26,405
You helped your mother some. 
I did. I did. I guess.

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00:23:26,505 --> 00:23:29,775
I guess we are just born with 
the instinct

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00:23:29,875 --> 00:23:33,178
of loving flowers and 
working with flowers.

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00:23:33,278 --> 00:23:35,781
I think I have had 
all my life.

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00:23:35,881 --> 00:23:37,983
When you came here 
there was a neighbor

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00:23:38,083 --> 00:23:39,184
who encouraged you.

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00:23:39,284 --> 00:23:40,051
Who was that, Erline?

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00:23:40,152 --> 00:23:42,587
That was Ms Ethel Keith.

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00:23:42,687 --> 00:23:47,392
She was a hardworker 
and such a nice lady.

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00:23:47,492 --> 00:23:52,264
She had beautiful flowers 
and she helped me

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00:23:52,364 --> 00:23:56,768
so much getting started with my 
yard.

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00:23:56,868 --> 00:24:00,739
She had access to a 
place that we could buy

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00:24:00,839 --> 00:24:03,175
the azaleas very cheap.

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00:24:03,275 --> 00:24:05,444
She got me about 100.

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00:24:05,544 --> 00:24:09,714
They were not very big but 
they grew to be very big.

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00:24:09,815 --> 00:24:12,250
That was quite 
a gift I guess.

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00:24:12,350 --> 00:24:16,321
It was. That's right.

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00:24:16,421 --> 00:24:20,959
And from there I just 
got it started doing

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00:24:21,059 --> 00:24:25,163
little beds and putting 
things here and there.

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00:24:25,263 --> 00:24:27,933
I love the stories of how you 
branched out into roses.

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00:24:28,033 --> 00:24:31,470
Would you like 
me to tell you? I would.

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00:24:31,570 --> 00:24:34,739
One day the salesman 
came by to talk

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00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,875
to my husband and 
he was trying to sell him

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00:24:36,975 --> 00:24:40,612
some grain bins and Pauley 
told him

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00:24:40,712 --> 00:24:45,550
I am not interested grain bins. 
I really have enough right now.

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00:24:45,650 --> 00:24:48,920
He says, if I can't sell you 
some, grain bins, how about you

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00:24:49,020 --> 00:24:51,790
let me 
show you some rose bushes.

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00:24:51,890 --> 00:24:53,191
Of course, Pauley 
being a farmer,

481
00:24:53,291 --> 00:24:54,860
he was not in to flowers.

482
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,063
He said I am not interested 
but go by the house

483
00:24:58,163 --> 00:25:01,433
and my wife might 
like to have some.

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00:25:01,533 --> 00:25:04,870
He came by the house 
and talked to me.

485
00:25:04,970 --> 00:25:06,905
Told me to come to Columbia

486
00:25:07,005 --> 00:25:12,310
and he has at the co-op, 
so I went to Columbia

487
00:25:12,410 --> 00:25:14,379
and he helped me 
pick out some.

488
00:25:14,479 --> 00:25:17,983
And I planted a little 
bed. And I fell in love

489
00:25:18,083 --> 00:25:19,518
with them, no doubt about it.

490
00:25:19,618 --> 00:25:23,021
And eventually that led to a 
very formal part.

491
00:25:23,121 --> 00:25:26,124
One of the first things 
you have formalized.

492
00:25:26,224 --> 00:25:28,126
Mr Prickett from town 
came to help

493
00:25:28,226 --> 00:25:30,595
you lay out the rose bed 
which had a brick border.

494
00:25:30,695 --> 00:25:32,430
And now it's 
a feature as you drive in.

495
00:25:32,531 --> 00:25:34,432
That's right. That's right.

496
00:25:34,533 --> 00:25:36,601
Tell me how that evolved 
into more

497
00:25:36,701 --> 00:25:41,172
of the mixed aspect that the 
rose garden has now, Erline.

498
00:25:41,273 --> 00:25:47,546
Well, at one time I just 
had roses and nothing else.

499
00:25:47,646 --> 00:25:51,216
I had a trip to 
England and I saw

500
00:25:51,316 --> 00:25:54,953
how they had mixed the 
perennials and things

501
00:25:55,053 --> 00:25:58,056
with the roses and 
how pretty it looked.

502
00:25:58,156 --> 00:26:01,560
I got back home and I 
started putting

503
00:26:01,660 --> 00:26:07,465
perennials and I love 
the perennial flocks.

504
00:26:07,566 --> 00:26:09,801
I put a lot of those and 
all kind of different

505
00:26:09,901 --> 00:26:13,505
perennials and things in it. 
People love it.

506
00:26:13,605 --> 00:26:16,174
Although you don't like 
invasive plants, there a couple

507
00:26:16,274 --> 00:26:18,443
of things that you 
make an exception for.

508
00:26:18,543 --> 00:26:20,845
I think, the Larkspur and Queen 
Anne's lace.

509
00:26:20,946 --> 00:26:22,080
That's right.

510
00:26:22,180 --> 00:26:25,784
That comes up from 
seed every year.

511
00:26:25,884 --> 00:26:28,486
I just leave a lot of it.

512
00:26:28,587 --> 00:26:31,990
What I do is if I don't want 
a lot of it, I take the

513
00:26:32,090 --> 00:26:35,493
the bushes out 
after they have seeded.

514
00:26:35,594 --> 00:26:39,798
I just scatter a few of the 
seed about and so I won't

515
00:26:39,898 --> 00:26:42,133
have a tremendous amount of it

516
00:26:42,233 --> 00:26:44,536
coming up in the bed 
because I do love it.

517
00:26:44,636 --> 00:26:49,541
It is so pretty in 
flower arrangements. It is.

518
00:26:49,641 --> 00:26:53,044
Although we might think 
those sheep are out there

519
00:26:53,144 --> 00:26:55,747
in lieu of lawnmowers, I 
believe those sheep represent

520
00:26:55,847 --> 00:26:59,651
some things you enjoy bringing 
back from the trips to

521
00:26:59,751 --> 00:27:01,753
England and Scotland, 
is that correct?

522
00:27:01,853 --> 00:27:03,221
That's correct.

523
00:27:03,321 --> 00:27:06,391
When I went to England we saw 
so many sheep.

524
00:27:06,491 --> 00:27:08,893
And we are not used 
to seeing pastures

525
00:27:08,994 --> 00:27:13,064
of sheep everywhere like 
you do in England.

526
00:27:13,164 --> 00:27:15,300
It kind of impressed me.

527
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,670
When I got back I had a 
catalog that I saw them

528
00:27:18,770 --> 00:27:21,506
in and I ordered a pair.

529
00:27:21,606 --> 00:27:24,609
And then I went to Ireland a 
couple of years ago

530
00:27:24,709 --> 00:27:28,013
and I saw so many 
sheep and they had so many of

531
00:27:28,113 --> 00:27:33,385
them that had the blackheads 
and the blackfeet.

532
00:27:33,485 --> 00:27:35,820
So, I had to get a set 
of those too.

533
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,022
[laughter]

534
00:27:37,122 --> 00:27:39,924
You brought a little of Great 
Britain home with you.

535
00:27:40,025 --> 00:27:43,428
That's right! Erline, you have 
beautiful hydrangeas.

536
00:27:43,528 --> 00:27:45,196
What an incredible 
array of colors.

537
00:27:45,296 --> 00:27:47,766
I think you rooted 
a good many of them.

538
00:27:47,866 --> 00:27:49,434
I do.

539
00:27:49,534 --> 00:27:53,238
Hydrangeas are 
very easy to root.

540
00:27:53,338 --> 00:27:57,208
They grow pretty fast.

541
00:27:57,308 --> 00:28:01,846
They have new ones now 
that will bloom all summer.

542
00:28:01,946 --> 00:28:06,651
A lot of them could take 
more sun than the older variety.

543
00:28:06,751 --> 00:28:09,421
One thing I love is the 
way you have them tucked

544
00:28:09,521 --> 00:28:11,556
under the pine trees.

545
00:28:11,656 --> 00:28:13,425
It's hot in South 
Carolina and you are not

546
00:28:13,525 --> 00:28:15,326
somebody that thinks 
it's got to be

547
00:28:15,427 --> 00:28:16,761
a blazing meadow.

548
00:28:16,861 --> 00:28:20,265
I think hydrangea is the back 
of the house under the pines.

549
00:28:20,365 --> 00:28:23,201
And you've unified 
them with things

550
00:28:23,301 --> 00:28:27,038
like high stone ferns. I have.

551
00:28:27,138 --> 00:28:30,875
I even have azaleas with 
camellias that bloom early.

552
00:28:30,975 --> 00:28:37,649
Then the hydrangeas come in. 
And, usually all along

553
00:28:37,749 --> 00:28:40,852
And then, across the way, 
after Hugo, when there was

554
00:28:40,952 --> 00:28:44,589
all that destruction you 
kind of opened up a new area.

555
00:28:44,689 --> 00:28:45,724
Goodness.

556
00:28:45,824 --> 00:28:48,593
I would've been so glad 
to relax at that point.

557
00:28:48,693 --> 00:28:52,430
There is a big beautiful new 
garden over there and you have a

558
00:28:52,530 --> 00:28:54,999
lot of large shade 
trees there, Erline.

559
00:28:55,100 --> 00:28:59,471
I do. They grow really fast.

560
00:29:00,739 --> 00:29:04,042
You got some that are unusual. 
You got a wing nut.

561
00:29:04,142 --> 00:29:07,178
Yeah! And I love that tree. 
It's beautiful.

562
00:29:07,278 --> 00:29:09,380
You want to know 
where it came from?

563
00:29:09,481 --> 00:29:12,150
It came from the 
zoo in Columbia.

564
00:29:12,250 --> 00:29:15,620
They used to have a plant sale 
in the spring

565
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,389
and in the fall. 
One year I was there

566
00:29:18,490 --> 00:29:20,458
and they had this 
tree for sale

567
00:29:20,558 --> 00:29:24,129
and I bought it. 
Everyone loves that tree.

568
00:29:24,229 --> 00:29:25,830
It is so pretty.

569
00:29:25,930 --> 00:29:29,834
And a willow tree that seems to 
have almost a twisted leaf.

570
00:29:29,934 --> 00:29:31,669
A weeping willow. 
It's weeping willow.

571
00:29:31,770 --> 00:29:33,772
But a different one.

572
00:29:33,872 --> 00:29:36,541
It's nice for flower 
arrangements too.

573
00:29:36,641 --> 00:29:38,710
Also, you have a 
lot of structure

574
00:29:38,810 --> 00:29:42,447
that comes from some viburnum.

575
00:29:42,547 --> 00:29:44,149
You believe in structure.

576
00:29:44,249 --> 00:29:47,118
Why be been attracted 
to the viburnum's?

577
00:29:47,218 --> 00:29:51,122
Because of the blooms 
and the foliage.

578
00:29:51,222 --> 00:29:52,791
It is very attractive.

579
00:29:52,891 --> 00:29:54,926
It's very easy to grow.

580
00:29:55,026 --> 00:29:57,495
The cold does not hurt them.

581
00:29:57,595 --> 00:30:00,465
It is a nice plant to have.

582
00:30:00,565 --> 00:30:04,369
It has been so much fun 
to look at the plants today.

583
00:30:04,469 --> 00:30:05,603
and see the insects on them

584
00:30:05,703 --> 00:30:09,073
and the flower 
just seems to be a magnet.

585
00:30:09,174 --> 00:30:11,943
I walked out there this morning 
kind of early

586
00:30:12,043 --> 00:30:13,611
and I've never seen so many 
butterflies on

587
00:30:13,711 --> 00:30:17,615
those cone flowers 
and things out there.

588
00:30:17,715 --> 00:30:20,385
They were just fantastic.

589
00:30:20,485 --> 00:30:22,287
you said you don't take the 
heads off -

590
00:30:22,387 --> 00:30:24,656
you leave them for 
the birds? For the birds.

591
00:30:24,756 --> 00:30:27,292
They love the seeds.

592
00:30:27,392 --> 00:30:30,061
If you want some to plant 
yourself,

593
00:30:30,161 --> 00:30:33,798
you have to get them 
and scatter them or whatever.

594
00:30:33,898 --> 00:30:36,868
The birds will eat 
every one of them.

595
00:30:36,968 --> 00:30:39,037
Of course we are here in 
the glory of the garden.

596
00:30:39,137 --> 00:30:41,706
You just had your 90th 
and a half birthday.

597
00:30:41,806 --> 00:30:44,709
I'm afraid so. A great party to 
celebrate the garden.

598
00:30:44,809 --> 00:30:47,946
You have made sure things 
all throughout the year

599
00:30:48,046 --> 00:30:50,515
by trees and other shrubs.

600
00:30:50,615 --> 00:30:53,451
How about crepe myrtle and 
Japanese maples and things?

601
00:30:53,551 --> 00:30:56,454
Oh yes! I love those too.

602
00:30:56,554 --> 00:30:59,324
There's not many flowers 
I don't love.

603
00:30:59,424 --> 00:31:02,393
And they have unusual colors 
in the Fall and Spring.

604
00:31:02,493 --> 00:31:05,296
The Fall and Spring, that's 
right.

605
00:31:05,396 --> 00:31:07,632
And you have conifers and 
different things for the plant

606
00:31:07,732 --> 00:31:09,634
materials and the 
leaves this color.

607
00:31:09,734 --> 00:31:13,905
I like the contrast in the 
flowers and the

608
00:31:14,005 --> 00:31:18,409
conifers and different 
leaves on the plants.

609
00:31:18,509 --> 00:31:22,647
I think they complement each 
other.

610
00:31:22,747 --> 00:31:24,482
Your husband, Pauley 
Wiles was a premier farmer

611
00:31:24,582 --> 00:31:26,050
in South Carolina.

612
00:31:26,150 --> 00:31:28,920
Although he did not come out 
and pull weeds with you,

613
00:31:29,020 --> 00:31:32,857
you credit Pauley with 
supporting

614
00:31:32,957 --> 00:31:36,694
you in your gardening. 
I certainly do.

615
00:31:36,794 --> 00:31:39,464
He was not good 
with a hoe and a rake

616
00:31:39,564 --> 00:31:42,600
but any time any of 
my equipment was,

617
00:31:42,700 --> 00:31:46,070
he provided me with good 
equipment to work with.

618
00:31:46,170 --> 00:31:49,140
Sprayers and hoses and rakes 
and he

619
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:56,581
made a wonderful box 
like trash pickup for me.

620
00:31:56,681 --> 00:31:59,250
We can just go 
to the pile of trash

621
00:31:59,350 --> 00:32:01,419
and put that 
trash in there

622
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:05,823
and it picks up to take it off.

623
00:32:05,924 --> 00:32:08,927
He was good at inventing 
those kinds of things.

624
00:32:09,027 --> 00:32:13,031
Anytime a sprayer or lawnmower 
or anything broke down,

625
00:32:13,131 --> 00:32:15,733
he would fix it for me.

626
00:32:15,833 --> 00:32:18,236
He was a big part 
of this garden.

627
00:32:18,336 --> 00:32:20,772
Erline, for this 
birthday party,

628
00:32:20,872 --> 00:32:23,841
you realized something you 
wanted to do for

629
00:32:23,942 --> 00:32:26,244
many years as if you 
didn't have enough gardens,

630
00:32:26,344 --> 00:32:27,712
there's a new garden.

631
00:32:27,812 --> 00:32:31,215
Let's end our conversation 
by discussing the new garden.

632
00:32:31,316 --> 00:32:33,985
I have had this 
in my mind for years.

633
00:32:34,085 --> 00:32:38,890
I had just not got 
to implement it.

634
00:32:38,990 --> 00:32:42,527
So when we were going to have 
this party,

635
00:32:42,627 --> 00:32:45,296
I decided I would do 
something in special

636
00:32:45,396 --> 00:32:49,233
in remembrance of it.

637
00:32:49,334 --> 00:32:53,104
I had in my mind 
what I wanted to do and

638
00:32:53,204 --> 00:32:56,774
I happen to be at a very 
nice nursery in Columbia

639
00:32:56,874 --> 00:33:00,611
and I saw the two pots that I 
had envisioned for years.

640
00:33:00,712 --> 00:33:01,579
(laughs)

641
00:33:01,679 --> 00:33:03,381
They were on sale.

642
00:33:03,481 --> 00:33:07,652
So, it may be that much 
more anxious

643
00:33:07,752 --> 00:33:10,588
to get 
them and start my bed.

644
00:33:11,823 --> 00:33:15,727
I had a wonderful man that 
helped me do the work.

645
00:33:15,827 --> 00:33:16,728
I designed it.

646
00:33:16,828 --> 00:33:20,865
I think it turned out 
really pretty and

647
00:33:20,965 --> 00:33:23,601
I've had a lot of 
compliments on it.

648
00:33:23,701 --> 00:33:26,571
And we enjoyed doing it.

649
00:33:26,671 --> 00:33:28,506
Erline, when I come back 
for the next

650
00:33:28,606 --> 00:33:31,376
birthday party I want to 
see that native honeysuckle

651
00:33:31,476 --> 00:33:33,277
all the way.

652
00:33:33,378 --> 00:33:35,380
I hope you will. 
I hope you will.

653
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,281
Erline, one thing about 
this garden is

654
00:33:37,382 --> 00:33:39,784
that you haven't been 
in a hurry and it shows many

655
00:33:39,884 --> 00:33:41,552
years of devotion and care.

656
00:33:41,652 --> 00:33:42,920
Thank you for 
sharing it with us.

657
00:33:43,021 --> 00:33:44,789
It's been my pleasure.

658
00:33:44,889 --> 00:33:48,693
It really has. 
You have a very nice show.

659
00:33:48,793 --> 00:33:51,496
I enjoy it and I'm sure 
a lot of other people do.

660
00:33:51,596 --> 00:33:53,731
Thank you for 
your kind words.

661
00:33:53,831 --> 00:33:54,365
All right.

662
00:33:54,465 --> 00:34:08,246
♪

663
00:34:08,346 --> 00:34:11,315
For a garden that started 
with a traveling salesman

664
00:34:11,416 --> 00:34:13,484
and a few roses, there has

665
00:34:13,584 --> 00:34:15,586
certainly been a 
transformation in the

666
00:34:15,686 --> 00:34:19,657
acreage that Erline has 
created and still tends

667
00:34:19,757 --> 00:34:21,826
to this day. And one of 
the things that I think I

668
00:34:21,926 --> 00:34:24,195
enjoyed most about that 
garden is that she

669
00:34:24,295 --> 00:34:26,764
unifies it through the 
use of large trees. It is

670
00:34:26,864 --> 00:34:30,301
a large space. And so she 
uses the natural trees

671
00:34:30,401 --> 00:34:32,570
that were there, plus 
trees that she's added,

672
00:34:32,670 --> 00:34:36,240
kind of as a cohesive 
force. Her backyard is

673
00:34:36,340 --> 00:34:39,277
very intimate as you saw 
and then as you move on

674
00:34:39,377 --> 00:34:41,813
out from the house, there's an 
expansive garden.

675
00:34:41,913 --> 00:34:44,115
Erline keeps up with all the new 
plants. She doesn't just

676
00:34:44,215 --> 00:34:47,018
rely on the old standards. 
There's always something

677
00:34:47,118 --> 00:34:50,855
new that's happening out in 
Fort Motte with Erline Wiles.

678
00:34:50,955 --> 00:34:56,294
Bill Lyddan is in downtown 
Charleston from lots of acreage

679
00:34:56,394 --> 00:34:59,897
to a postage stamp garden, but 
one that is equally well

680
00:34:59,997 --> 00:35:02,700
thought out and planned. 
His house there which is

681
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,836
of course is an 
antebellum home and

682
00:35:04,936 --> 00:35:08,306
reflects that classical 
architecture is very

683
00:35:08,406 --> 00:35:10,775
symmetrical. And he has 
taken that as the

684
00:35:10,875 --> 00:35:13,878
influence for his small 
but complex, and well

685
00:35:13,978 --> 00:35:17,081
thought out, mostly white 
and green garden. And

686
00:35:17,181 --> 00:35:19,917
even when he was able to 
make some major changes

687
00:35:20,017 --> 00:35:22,954
including a fountain and the 
stairs, he looked to

688
00:35:23,054 --> 00:35:26,791
antique and classical 
influences as his design.

689
00:35:26,891 --> 00:36:02,093
♪

690
00:36:02,193 --> 00:36:04,562
I'm in Charleston South 
Carolina visiting with Bill

691
00:36:04,662 --> 00:36:07,899
Lyddan and his beautiful house 
in Downtown Charleston.

692
00:36:07,999 --> 00:36:10,234
Bill it's a treat to be with 
you. Thank you.

693
00:36:10,334 --> 00:36:12,937
Thank you very much. It's 
wonderful having you here.

694
00:36:13,037 --> 00:36:15,540
You've had an interesting 
career and lived a lot

695
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,142
of places. So give us a little 
background about your life

696
00:36:18,242 --> 00:36:21,779
before you came here. Yeah, 
I've lived all over the place

697
00:36:21,879 --> 00:36:23,181
So, a long time in New York,

698
00:36:23,281 --> 00:36:25,550
and Los Angeles, 
Chicago, Minneapolis in the

699
00:36:25,650 --> 00:36:29,420
advertising business. 
I came here in 1977.

700
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,924
Absolutely loved it. No real 
jobs in advertising here.

701
00:36:33,024 --> 00:36:36,794
But we came back in 2010 
and we love it.

702
00:36:36,894 --> 00:36:38,629
It's a wonderful 
wonderful place.

703
00:36:38,729 --> 00:36:42,133
I think that you really are a 
general contractor at heart.

704
00:36:42,233 --> 00:36:44,168
Tell our viewers how many

705
00:36:44,268 --> 00:36:47,939
homes you have redone. We have 
done in Los Angeles,

706
00:36:48,039 --> 00:36:50,274
Connecticut, here eighteen 
houses.

707
00:36:50,374 --> 00:36:53,477
And in Charleston itself? Four. 
This is number four.

708
00:36:53,578 --> 00:36:55,780
We've been here just about ten 
years.

709
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,250
Do you know where your 
toothbrush is at night now?

710
00:36:59,350 --> 00:37:06,123
I hope I do. I know it's we 
love the old. We love old

711
00:37:06,224 --> 00:37:10,027
houses, old things, antiques 
and this is, We got a lot of

712
00:37:10,127 --> 00:37:15,366
them. Well you have a what I 
think is a manageable garden.

713
00:37:15,466 --> 00:37:17,635
But when you came here there 
was no way to get up to the

714
00:37:17,735 --> 00:37:18,970
main floor of the house.

715
00:37:19,070 --> 00:37:21,639
So let's talk about the stairs 
and why they are so different

716
00:37:21,739 --> 00:37:24,308
looking from what would have 
been the stairs here. Exactly!

717
00:37:24,408 --> 00:37:27,945
When we bought the house we were 
told that

718
00:37:28,045 --> 00:37:31,349
this house probably had a set of 
stairs to the main floor.

719
00:37:31,449 --> 00:37:32,917
Because when we bought the

720
00:37:33,017 --> 00:37:35,720
house you enter through a small 
entrance with two small

721
00:37:35,820 --> 00:37:39,023
bedrooms. We realized there 
probably were stairs. Now there

722
00:37:39,123 --> 00:37:41,726
was a huge earthquake here in 
eighteen eighty six.

723
00:37:41,826 --> 00:37:44,629
The entire front of 
the building was lost. And

724
00:37:44,729 --> 00:37:47,231
this is all new piazza. 
You can tell that because it's

725
00:37:47,331 --> 00:37:50,234
a Victorian style. So we were 
able to go to the board of

726
00:37:50,334 --> 00:37:52,336
Architectural Review and they 
were very nice about it.

727
00:37:52,436 --> 00:37:53,638
And they said yes you could

728
00:37:53,738 --> 00:37:57,308
you can put in a new stairs, 
which we did. And that kind of

729
00:37:57,408 --> 00:37:59,910
dictated the entire garden. 
Because everything came off

730
00:38:00,011 --> 00:38:03,314
the stairs. And I was telling 
you earlier Chicora wood

731
00:38:03,414 --> 00:38:06,484
which is a beautiful plantation 
up near Myrtle Beach was kind of

732
00:38:06,584 --> 00:38:10,187
our inspiration for the style of 
it. And it all worked

733
00:38:10,288 --> 00:38:14,492
out very well. Interesting that 
you said although you think

734
00:38:14,592 --> 00:38:18,429
everything would have to be just 
correct and relate to the

735
00:38:18,529 --> 00:38:20,498
period. That's not the current

736
00:38:20,598 --> 00:38:24,402
style. So let's talk about why 
these stairs are not exactly

737
00:38:24,502 --> 00:38:27,538
copies of what would have been 
there. Exactly the current

738
00:38:27,638 --> 00:38:31,309
thinking and preservation and 
this is throughout the country

739
00:38:31,409 --> 00:38:35,146
is that you don't want to 
recreate something that was

740
00:38:35,246 --> 00:38:40,451
there if it wasn't. If it wasn't 
there originally it has to be

741
00:38:40,551 --> 00:38:44,889
look like frankly, it's new and 
added on. So and this is the

742
00:38:44,989 --> 00:38:47,491
case. Now the style of it comes 
from a Chicora wood which is

743
00:38:47,591 --> 00:38:50,561
very traditional. But it's in 
cement as opposed to wood.

744
00:38:50,661 --> 00:38:53,397
They don't want to kind of 
fool the eye and add a

745
00:38:53,497 --> 00:38:55,800
reproduction elements on 
to the old houses.

746
00:38:55,900 --> 00:38:59,203
So that's how we 
approached it. It's still we

747
00:38:59,303 --> 00:39:03,841
think very pretty and it's 
still graceful. But it is

748
00:39:03,941 --> 00:39:09,847
technically new in style. It's 
also not attached to the house.

749
00:39:09,947 --> 00:39:12,483
Technically it's not attached to 
the house although it looks

750
00:39:12,583 --> 00:39:17,188
like it is. But it's a 
traditional house

751
00:39:17,288 --> 00:39:20,391
with a traditional style 
staircase.

752
00:39:20,491 --> 00:39:28,599
But actually it almost serves 
as a statue or a piece of art.

753
00:39:28,699 --> 00:39:33,170
Exactly. And that's the 
way the B.A.R felt about this.

754
00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:35,840
You know this is going to be a 
major major element in your

755
00:39:35,940 --> 00:39:38,743
garden which it is. 
So it kind of dictated all

756
00:39:38,843 --> 00:39:41,412
the geometry of the garden 
itself and

757
00:39:41,512 --> 00:39:42,713
we created what's 
basically

758
00:39:42,813 --> 00:39:46,650
we call a French style partir 
garden with gravel walkways.

759
00:39:46,751 --> 00:39:50,154
But it all comes off the stairs 
so you can you know gracefully

760
00:39:50,254 --> 00:39:53,557
go up to the main floor of the 
house and still enjoy the garden

761
00:39:53,657 --> 00:39:54,258
at the same time.

762
00:39:55,860 --> 00:39:58,763
Reveal conceal is a little bit I 
believe the way the fountain is

763
00:39:58,863 --> 00:40:02,633
located. Yes. You know the 
Japanese theory of gardening is

764
00:40:02,733 --> 00:40:05,569
that you don't want to see 
everything in one view. You want

765
00:40:05,669 --> 00:40:09,840
to be surprised and be able to 
discover various parts of

766
00:40:09,940 --> 00:40:12,943
the garden as you walk around 
it. And that's the case. We

767
00:40:13,043 --> 00:40:15,546
wanted to have a fountain. We 
wanted the noise of a fountain.

768
00:40:15,646 --> 00:40:18,549
The sound of it is so wonderful 
but we didn't necessarily want

769
00:40:18,649 --> 00:40:20,851
to have a major thing in the 
middle of everything. So we

770
00:40:20,951 --> 00:40:24,855
wound up putting it next to 
the staircase and you can even

771
00:40:24,955 --> 00:40:29,427
hear it but not necessarily see 
it. And it really blends

772
00:40:29,527 --> 00:40:32,430
beautifully with the somewhat 
contemporary aspect of the

773
00:40:32,530 --> 00:40:35,266
stairs. It's a very particular 
thing. It is. You know

774
00:40:35,366 --> 00:40:40,104
we found it on the Internet. 
And it's made in Pennsylvania.

775
00:40:40,204 --> 00:40:43,941
It's absolutely perfect. We had 
a spot for it. Did a lot of

776
00:40:44,041 --> 00:40:49,947
research. And I said that's it 
you know. We bought it.

777
00:40:50,047 --> 00:40:52,516
Had it brought in. 
It's extremely heavy.

778
00:40:52,616 --> 00:40:54,218
Put in place and looked 
like it's always been here.

779
00:40:54,318 --> 00:40:55,753
And you are actually 
interested in

780
00:40:55,853 --> 00:40:58,055
timepieces I understand. You 
actually have a watch on.

781
00:40:58,155 --> 00:41:03,828
Yes. That's a digital watch. 
And you have a timepiece in the

782
00:41:03,928 --> 00:41:09,333
garden? Well we have...Yes we 
do. It's called an analemmary,

783
00:41:09,433 --> 00:41:12,770
which is a fancy name for a 
sundial. And again we found that

784
00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:16,073
on the Internet and it. You'll 
see them in the pictures.

785
00:41:16,173 --> 00:41:18,108
That it is a nice 
complement to the stairs.

786
00:41:18,209 --> 00:41:21,312
It gives you a little bit of 
elevation. And it seems very

787
00:41:21,412 --> 00:41:23,948
authentic very kind of 
Charlestonian in nature.

788
00:41:24,048 --> 00:41:28,152
And you said also the wall at 
the very end was not what you

789
00:41:28,252 --> 00:41:31,489
wanted to be the closure 
of your view. I think.

790
00:41:31,589 --> 00:41:33,724
Does the analemmary serve 
as a place

791
00:41:33,824 --> 00:41:36,427
for your eye to rest? 
Exactly! You know everything is

792
00:41:36,527 --> 00:41:37,995
a matter of perspective in 
gardening.

793
00:41:38,095 --> 00:41:39,897
And you want, 
normally you want symmetry.

794
00:41:39,997 --> 00:41:42,833
You want the 
eye to be calm. And you want

795
00:41:42,933 --> 00:41:47,238
your view to go somewhere. And 
ultimately we thought the view

796
00:41:47,338 --> 00:41:49,406
could stop at the analemmary 
and I think it does.

797
00:41:49,507 --> 00:41:53,844
And interesting plant material. 
You were fortunate

798
00:41:53,944 --> 00:41:55,813
in that you have some marvelous

799
00:41:55,913 --> 00:42:00,718
shade trees. Absolutely! We have 
some beautiful Live Oaks

800
00:42:00,818 --> 00:42:03,988
just classic Low Country. Messy!

801
00:42:04,088 --> 00:42:06,490
(laughter) But Yeah!

802
00:42:06,590 --> 00:42:11,695
They lose leaves constantly 
but we have seven

803
00:42:11,795 --> 00:42:18,002
very very nice olive trees. And 
also you'll see four beautiful

804
00:42:18,102 --> 00:42:22,740
beautiful pretty rare tree 
formed Azaleas,

805
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,276
which you know add a whole 
different dimension to a garden

806
00:42:25,376 --> 00:42:27,444
quite a different look for an 
Azalea.

807
00:42:27,545 --> 00:42:29,480
And you were able actually 
through

808
00:42:29,580 --> 00:42:33,584
the help of a very accomplished 
horticulturist/gardener to save

809
00:42:33,684 --> 00:42:35,386
some of the original plant 
material although

810
00:42:35,486 --> 00:42:38,989
this design is completely 
different and your design

811
00:42:39,089 --> 00:42:42,760
because you like to garden and 
do things yourself. Yeah we love

812
00:42:42,860 --> 00:42:45,896
design. We love art. And so on. 
Robert O'Dell is

813
00:42:45,996 --> 00:42:49,300
our landscaper did a marvelous 
job of saving the box woods.

814
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,702
Cause when we bought this house 
there were thirty-three

815
00:42:51,802 --> 00:42:52,903
beautiful box woods in

816
00:42:53,003 --> 00:42:56,874
the ground and normally when you 
transplant you always...

817
00:42:56,974 --> 00:42:59,677
We had these four beautiful tree 
formed Azaleas also in

818
00:42:59,777 --> 00:43:02,880
the ground. He was able to save 
them all and put them back in

819
00:43:02,980 --> 00:43:06,550
the earth a year later. It's it 
was good job on his part.

820
00:43:06,650 --> 00:43:07,451
And although

821
00:43:09,053 --> 00:43:13,357
color can be a lot of fun in 
this garden in order. I think

822
00:43:13,457 --> 00:43:16,660
partially perhaps because 
of it's size and also your

823
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:21,165
inspiration this is mostly one 
color as far as farm. That's

824
00:43:21,265 --> 00:43:25,169
right we like green and 
white. You know and I was saying

825
00:43:25,269 --> 00:43:28,872
earlier. it's like a black dress 
with white pearl. Its classic.

826
00:43:28,973 --> 00:43:31,742
It always looks good and we 
think it's the same thing

827
00:43:31,842 --> 00:43:34,845
with a garden. It's calming 
with many different shades of

828
00:43:34,945 --> 00:43:37,648
green of course and many 
different shades of white. But

829
00:43:37,748 --> 00:43:39,617
the uniformity we think is 
pleasing to the eye.

830
00:43:39,717 --> 00:43:42,820
At least for us. I would think 
that these box woods

831
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,321
and all that were so well 
established

832
00:43:44,421 --> 00:43:45,856
don't require as much irrigation

833
00:43:45,956 --> 00:43:48,859
and you do not have a lawn. I 
don't see a lawn at all.

834
00:43:48,959 --> 00:43:51,762
We have no lawn. We didn't want 
a lawn. We wanted it to be very

835
00:43:51,862 --> 00:43:56,634
classic French with a 
limestone walkways.

836
00:43:56,734 --> 00:44:00,571
Simple and we hope 
elegant. We have drip irrigation

837
00:44:00,671 --> 00:44:03,907
which is great, It's a great way 
to save water. And you'll

838
00:44:04,008 --> 00:44:07,611
notice this huge big Podocarpus 
hedge. That was created

839
00:44:07,711 --> 00:44:10,814
with twenty two massive 
Podocarpus from Florida.

840
00:44:10,914 --> 00:44:12,716
Big big job to put those in.

841
00:44:12,816 --> 00:44:15,686
They were all drip irrigated. 
So it, you know, it conserves

842
00:44:15,786 --> 00:44:18,989
water and they seem to be doing 
fine. Well it was interesting

843
00:44:19,089 --> 00:44:21,825
because when we first tried to 
start filming there was a lot of

844
00:44:21,925 --> 00:44:23,927
mowing, blowing noise coming. 
Yes. And this

845
00:44:24,028 --> 00:44:27,931
garden actually contributes to 
the quiet, We hope so. ...of

846
00:44:28,032 --> 00:44:30,634
the neighborhood. We hope so. 
I think you know

847
00:44:30,734 --> 00:44:34,938
it's nice to have a quiet 
environment to read a book, just

848
00:44:35,039 --> 00:44:38,308
to enjoy the other beautiful 
nature here. Before we

849
00:44:38,409 --> 00:44:41,011
close I want to ask you this 
flag looks like it doesn't have

850
00:44:41,111 --> 00:44:44,314
a lot of stars on it. Is there a 
story behind that? There is

851
00:44:44,415 --> 00:44:46,116
This house was built in 1835.

852
00:44:46,216 --> 00:44:51,922
In 1835, the American flag was 
24 stars. And that's what this.

853
00:44:52,022 --> 00:44:55,426
A 24 star flag. And you can, 
thanks to the Internet you

854
00:44:55,526 --> 00:44:58,929
can find that out and you can go 
buy it. Well Bill Lyddan, I am

855
00:44:59,029 --> 00:45:01,131
happy that although you 
have an appreciation

856
00:45:01,231 --> 00:45:05,202
for history you also have 
brought this wonderful house

857
00:45:05,302 --> 00:45:09,707
into the more modern times in 
such a graceful and beautiful

858
00:45:09,807 --> 00:45:14,778
way. And my garden too. Big 
credit to my wife Hildy.

859
00:45:14,878 --> 00:45:19,283
It's fun we love it. We love 
these old houses and you know

860
00:45:19,383 --> 00:45:22,953
we're stewards of them and we 
hope we can add something to

861
00:45:23,053 --> 00:45:25,456
the beauty of Charleston. 
Charleston is very fortunate

862
00:45:25,556 --> 00:45:26,724
that you've made this 
your home.

863
00:45:26,824 --> 00:45:28,859
Thank you. Thank you very much. 
We're happy to be here.

864
00:45:35,933 --> 00:45:36,934
Our next stop is in

865
00:45:37,034 --> 00:45:40,204
downtown Beaufort where 
Linda Peters for many

866
00:45:40,304 --> 00:45:42,706
many years had a 
Montessori kindergarten

867
00:45:42,806 --> 00:45:45,142
and she created a garden 
that not only spoke to

868
00:45:45,242 --> 00:45:48,345
children, but also was a 
naturalized spot in the

869
00:45:48,445 --> 00:45:49,446
heart of the city.

870
00:45:49,546 --> 00:46:44,735
♪

871
00:46:44,835 --> 00:46:45,836
I'm in Beaufort,

872
00:46:45,936 --> 00:46:48,939
South Carolina in a downtown 
tropical paradise.

873
00:46:49,039 --> 00:46:51,775
I'm speaking with Linda 
Peters. And we are in her

874
00:46:51,875 --> 00:46:55,679
five acre garden, which 
she and nature have made.

875
00:46:55,779 --> 00:46:57,614
Linda, thank you for 
letting us come. You grew

876
00:46:57,714 --> 00:47:00,384
up with farmer's daughter, I 
believe. I did and I

877
00:47:00,484 --> 00:47:03,253
loved every second of it. 
but it wasn't a place

878
00:47:03,353 --> 00:47:06,657
where you go tropical no 
it was a dairy farm we

879
00:47:06,757 --> 00:47:10,627
had a hundred acre dairy 
farm and we milk the cows

880
00:47:10,727 --> 00:47:15,232
and corn and wheat 
and that sort of thing.

881
00:47:15,332 --> 00:47:17,301
You came to Beaufort and you 
were educated as a

882
00:47:17,401 --> 00:47:21,872
Montessori teacher. And so 
I think this garden and

883
00:47:21,972 --> 00:47:24,508
property serve two 
purposes. It was your home,

884
00:47:24,608 --> 00:47:28,579
your school and your 
creation.

885
00:47:28,679 --> 00:47:31,548
Home schooling what I 
love to do. What age children

886
00:47:31,648 --> 00:47:33,784
did you have? Three to 
six year olds. And how many

887
00:47:33,884 --> 00:47:36,820
did you have? 20 every year. 
Well and we start right

888
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:38,922
here where we are, with 
something that's very

889
00:47:39,022 --> 00:47:43,060
child size. And lots of 
people use them. And I

890
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,562
think it's like a little 
fairy land. It's our

891
00:47:45,662 --> 00:47:49,566
little fairy garden. Yes 
the wagon my husband

892
00:47:49,666 --> 00:47:52,169
found. It's an antique 
wagon. When he brought it

893
00:47:52,269 --> 00:47:57,107
home, he said 
do something with it

894
00:47:57,207 --> 00:47:58,475
Oh that'll make

895
00:47:58,575 --> 00:48:03,714
a great little fairy garden. 
So he fixed it and put soil in

896
00:48:03,814 --> 00:48:05,082
and then the moss and stuff

897
00:48:05,182 --> 00:48:07,017
and add the little 
fairies and of course

898
00:48:07,117 --> 00:48:10,354
the little miniature 
turtles and lizards

899
00:48:10,454 --> 00:48:13,624
and things and then we 
made a beautiful fairy garden.

900
00:48:13,724 --> 00:48:18,729
And for mothers and grandmothers 
and fathers and grandfathers,

901
00:48:18,829 --> 00:48:20,697
how does that help 
children develop their

902
00:48:20,797 --> 00:48:24,601
minds in a nontraditional 
teaching and looking in a

903
00:48:24,701 --> 00:48:27,204
book way? Well we have a 
lot of vocabulary in

904
00:48:27,304 --> 00:48:30,941
there, a lot of 
colors and

905
00:48:31,041 --> 00:48:34,311
different creatures and 
moss. And we get

906
00:48:34,411 --> 00:48:37,214
mushrooms in there. And 
they love to walk around

907
00:48:37,314 --> 00:48:40,017
because there are different 
things on every side.

908
00:48:40,117 --> 00:48:42,719
For them it's like the 
perfect vantage point for

909
00:48:42,819 --> 00:48:45,789
them because they can 
just look in it's right

910
00:48:45,889 --> 00:48:48,926
there at their eye level. It 
was wonderful for them.

911
00:48:49,026 --> 00:48:51,995
I'm sure it was. As we move 
back into the woods

912
00:48:52,095 --> 00:48:54,164
what's one of the first 
fun little areas that we

913
00:48:54,264 --> 00:48:57,134
encounter? 
Well we have, the

914
00:48:57,234 --> 00:49:00,871
first maybe fun 
area is the

915
00:49:00,971 --> 00:49:04,474
prehistoric lane, where 
I have a lot of

916
00:49:04,574 --> 00:49:07,444
dinosaurs hidden and 
tropical like plants and

917
00:49:07,544 --> 00:49:10,180
I have a dinosaur and 
that I made out of

918
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:14,818
concrete. And we have a 
pterodactyl that flies in

919
00:49:14,918 --> 00:49:19,189
the sky and 
the mother dinosaur,

920
00:49:19,289 --> 00:49:23,060
she's a topiary, 
with a big red bow and

921
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,262
the children love. 
That might be their

922
00:49:25,362 --> 00:49:27,464
favorite area 
just because they love

923
00:49:27,564 --> 00:49:31,568
dinosaurs. And of 
course there again a

924
00:49:31,668 --> 00:49:34,438
teaching spot because which

925
00:49:34,538 --> 00:49:37,107
dinosaurs are meat eaters? 
And what about their

926
00:49:37,207 --> 00:49:39,009
body allows them to do 
that? How can you tell

927
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:42,079
this is a prey animal? Yes. 
All the names they love

928
00:49:42,179 --> 00:49:45,148
the names of the dinosaurs. 
Yeah, which is wonderful from

929
00:49:45,248 --> 00:49:47,784
so many ways to learn to 
pronounce things. That just

930
00:49:47,884 --> 00:49:50,821
trains your tongue and helps 
your memory as well.

931
00:49:50,921 --> 00:49:52,723
So survived getting through 
the dinosaurs.

932
00:49:52,823 --> 00:49:54,157
(laughs)

933
00:49:54,257 --> 00:49:56,493
And we now go on to 
another section of the

934
00:49:56,593 --> 00:49:59,429
garden. We pass through 
the orchids and then we

935
00:49:59,529 --> 00:50:01,832
went to the fish pond, 
a Koi pond.

936
00:50:01,932 --> 00:50:04,468
Which is pretty large and I have

937
00:50:04,568 --> 00:50:08,205
some really large Koi in 
there. And you said that

938
00:50:08,305 --> 00:50:10,974
it's fun because we all 
have different

939
00:50:11,074 --> 00:50:14,945
topics to study. And so 
we walked back there and

940
00:50:15,045 --> 00:50:17,647
here are these enormous fish. 
And you feed them

941
00:50:17,748 --> 00:50:19,216
probably more than you 
feed yourself and your

942
00:50:19,316 --> 00:50:22,119
husband. My husband 
would say they

943
00:50:22,219 --> 00:50:24,187
definitely get fed more 
than he does.

944
00:50:24,287 --> 00:50:25,922
(laughs)

945
00:50:26,023 --> 00:50:29,659
And yes we do and 
we so study fish

946
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:33,163
We go out and actually 
one day it was sometime

947
00:50:33,263 --> 00:50:36,033
in summer school and I said okay 
children take off your

948
00:50:36,133 --> 00:50:39,169
shoes and they said, 'Oh Oh!' 
So they did and I

949
00:50:39,269 --> 00:50:41,872
let them all sit on the edge 
with their feet in the

950
00:50:41,972 --> 00:50:44,141
water. One little girl 
looked at me and said

951
00:50:44,241 --> 00:50:47,377
This is the best day of 
my life. Wonderful.

952
00:50:47,477 --> 00:50:52,249
Yeah. It was beautiful. As we 
move on and out,

953
00:50:52,349 --> 00:50:53,984
what's the next area that 
the children are gonna

954
00:50:54,084 --> 00:50:56,186
be fascinated by? I've been 
fascinated by every place

955
00:50:56,286 --> 00:50:59,322
you took me today. After the 
pond we went by the

956
00:50:59,423 --> 00:51:02,426
peacocks and the chickens. 
The children always love

957
00:51:02,526 --> 00:51:05,695
to see the animals. They love 
the animals. And you've got

958
00:51:05,796 --> 00:51:08,432
chicken sitting by you 
right now with you. Yes I do.

959
00:51:08,532 --> 00:51:11,034
And also in that, with 
the peacocks and chickens

960
00:51:11,134 --> 00:51:13,537
you have somebody came 
hear unexpectedly.

961
00:51:13,637 --> 00:51:16,740
A Lillie Egypt goose. Lucy the 
Loose.

962
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,776
And she just flew in. She looked 
real happy this morning.

963
00:51:19,876 --> 00:51:22,646
She's very happy. She has the 
new flight feathers.

964
00:51:22,746 --> 00:51:24,381
Well and surrounding 
us now

965
00:51:24,481 --> 00:51:26,383
you've got those 
wonderful groves of

966
00:51:26,483 --> 00:51:30,654
clumping bamboo and I can 
hear a lot of happy birds

967
00:51:30,754 --> 00:51:32,722
in those. Yes the 
redwing blackbirds

968
00:51:32,823 --> 00:51:36,226
especially right now. They 
love that bamboo. And they

969
00:51:36,326 --> 00:51:39,930
stay pretty good 
for a long time actually.

970
00:51:40,030 --> 00:51:42,632
You like to make things 
in your spare time...

971
00:51:42,732 --> 00:51:43,800
(laughs)

972
00:51:43,900 --> 00:51:46,770
but, you're good at it. 
You use these allocacia

973
00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:50,207
colacacia leaves and cast them. 
I do.

974
00:51:50,307 --> 00:51:54,211
I have a table out of there 
we passed by and I put

975
00:51:54,311 --> 00:51:57,147
the sand on and the leaf 
on upside down and then I

976
00:51:57,247 --> 00:52:00,684
mix up the concrete and I found 
the concrete on and then

977
00:52:00,784 --> 00:52:03,620
leave it there for a few 
days and tip it and

978
00:52:03,720 --> 00:52:06,590
then it makes a beautiful 
bird bath or whatever you

979
00:52:06,690 --> 00:52:10,994
want. In the bog garden, I 
guess do bullfrogs and

980
00:52:11,094 --> 00:52:14,064
all use that for habitat? 
Absolutely, we have

981
00:52:14,164 --> 00:52:17,434
so many frogs and 
bullfrogs and toads and

982
00:52:17,534 --> 00:52:20,937
everything loves that 
garden. But you even got roses.

983
00:52:21,037 --> 00:52:23,273
I do. I have a rose garden. 
Well, right now it's a

984
00:52:23,373 --> 00:52:25,475
salvia garden because 
a salvia always thinks over.

985
00:52:25,575 --> 00:52:28,712
But I did grow amazing 
roses. And of course,

986
00:52:28,812 --> 00:52:31,615
salvia like many of the 
plants you have, is

987
00:52:31,715 --> 00:52:34,684
attracted to the pollinators 
and insects. That's why

988
00:52:34,784 --> 00:52:37,420
it's there. The 
bees and hummingbirds,

989
00:52:37,521 --> 00:52:40,790
they love it. 
and butterflies. So that's

990
00:52:40,891 --> 00:52:42,893
why they're there. As a 
dairy farmer's daughter,

991
00:52:42,993 --> 00:52:44,895
you have to have some 
cows, but I think you've

992
00:52:44,995 --> 00:52:47,430
got em little smaller. We 
do, we have a

993
00:52:47,531 --> 00:52:50,834
little miniature garden 
with a miniature houses

994
00:52:50,934 --> 00:52:53,870
and miniature animals and 
miniature cows, miniature

995
00:52:53,970 --> 00:52:57,874
pigs and little 
paths and a little pond that

996
00:52:57,974 --> 00:53:00,777
I made out of 
concrete. So your students

997
00:53:00,877 --> 00:53:05,148
probably know that milk 
and eggs aren't manufactured

998
00:53:05,248 --> 00:53:07,584
in the back of the store? 
I imagine this was part of

999
00:53:07,684 --> 00:53:09,553
their learning experience. 
Definitely. When we

1000
00:53:09,653 --> 00:53:12,489
had all the citrus trees, 
when the

1001
00:53:12,589 --> 00:53:14,958
oranges are ready 
I say let's go harvesting.

1002
00:53:15,058 --> 00:53:17,027
We take the ladder 
and the wagon. We

1003
00:53:17,127 --> 00:53:19,829
fill it up. We come and make 
orange juice. Whatever

1004
00:53:19,930 --> 00:53:21,431
with our lemon, 
we're going to make

1005
00:53:21,531 --> 00:53:24,568
a lemon pie. Whatever would 
bloom that week,

1006
00:53:24,668 --> 00:53:27,170
we do it. You do have some 
beautiful citrus. What are

1007
00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:29,039
some of the things that 
you're going back there?

1008
00:53:29,139 --> 00:53:33,610
We have some calamondins 
and comprods. And then we

1009
00:53:33,710 --> 00:53:37,347
have a few orange trees. 
And we have that

1010
00:53:37,447 --> 00:53:40,116
lemon that you love, 
that ponderosa lemon.

1011
00:53:40,217 --> 00:53:42,719
It's enormous. It 
has to have its own

1012
00:53:42,819 --> 00:53:45,222
little table to hold it up. 
I've actually had it

1013
00:53:45,322 --> 00:53:47,891
break that branches because 
it's so large and

1014
00:53:47,991 --> 00:53:50,460
heavy. And then you've got 
a swing tree. We have a

1015
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,063
swinging tree with several 
swings on it. There's

1016
00:53:53,163 --> 00:53:55,498
nothing more beautiful 
than seeing a group of

1017
00:53:55,599 --> 00:53:59,035
children swinging on the 
tree. And then I was

1018
00:53:59,135 --> 00:54:00,904
getting a little tired 
and needed a place to sit

1019
00:54:01,004 --> 00:54:03,673
down and I found some 
friends who looked like

1020
00:54:03,773 --> 00:54:06,843
they had been tired a 
long time ago. They did.

1021
00:54:06,943 --> 00:54:10,914
It's Jack and Jill, the 
skeletons.

1022
00:54:11,014 --> 00:54:12,949
They're waiting for 
people to come by and

1023
00:54:13,049 --> 00:54:17,153
there sign said we've been 
waiting a long time.

1024
00:54:17,254 --> 00:54:20,156
One of my favorite native 
plants is sparkleberry

1025
00:54:20,257 --> 00:54:23,326
Nexium. And you have 
sparkle berry lane and

1026
00:54:23,426 --> 00:54:26,129
it's even more sparkly 
than normal. Yes we have

1027
00:54:26,229 --> 00:54:28,832
danglers that we 
got out of an ad in the

1028
00:54:28,932 --> 00:54:31,434
newspaper and we hung all the 
danglers

1029
00:54:31,534 --> 00:54:35,005
and the children 
love it. And then we kind

1030
00:54:35,105 --> 00:54:38,575
of end up our wonderful 
walk through the garden with a

1031
00:54:38,675 --> 00:54:41,678
festival coming back to 
the house. Well those

1032
00:54:41,778 --> 00:54:45,649
magazines. I saw a Mardi 
Gras tree in a magazines so

1033
00:54:45,749 --> 00:54:49,319
we gotta have a 
Mardi Gras tree so we,

1034
00:54:49,419 --> 00:54:51,288
I chose the tree and then 
we got a

1035
00:54:51,388 --> 00:54:53,423
ton of beads and 
everybody that's been

1036
00:54:53,523 --> 00:54:57,093
here has thrown some 
beads in to the tree.

1037
00:54:57,193 --> 00:55:00,997
It's great fun. And then 
we're so now we're back

1038
00:55:01,097 --> 00:55:02,899
at what had been the 
playground for the

1039
00:55:02,999 --> 00:55:06,603
children. And I imagine 
that in the coming years

1040
00:55:06,703 --> 00:55:08,905
since the children will 
be coming back to the visit of

1041
00:55:09,005 --> 00:55:11,408
course. They always come 
back and visit but this

1042
00:55:11,508 --> 00:55:13,710
is now another space and 
I imagine that things

1043
00:55:13,810 --> 00:55:16,980
will start happening here. 
I may.

1044
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:21,718
Linda Peters what a 
wonderful opportunity

1045
00:55:21,818 --> 00:55:25,822
and head start to life 
you gave children and to

1046
00:55:25,922 --> 00:55:28,258
have children who are 
going to remember this

1047
00:55:28,358 --> 00:55:31,494
joyful experience of 
nature. And I bet you've

1048
00:55:31,594 --> 00:55:34,798
made a contribution to 
the environmental leaders

1049
00:55:34,898 --> 00:55:39,102
of the future. 
I actually know I have.

1050
00:55:39,202 --> 00:55:41,638
A lot of them. Thank you 
very much and my pleasure.

1051
00:55:47,610 --> 00:55:50,413
Thanks to Laura Lee Rose, 
Linda taught both Laura Lee's

1052
00:55:50,513 --> 00:55:53,316
son Sam and also her 
granddaughter Clara. And thank

1053
00:55:53,416 --> 00:55:55,452
you for being with us 
tonight. We hope you

1054
00:55:55,552 --> 00:55:58,288
enjoyed going to visit gardens 
across the state. And we'll do

1055
00:55:58,388 --> 00:56:01,124
more of this in the future, 
because it is Making it Grow.

1056
00:56:01,224 --> 00:56:13,136
♪

1057
00:56:13,236 --> 00:56:14,671
Making It Grow is brought

1058
00:56:14,771 --> 00:56:17,407
to you in part by the 
South Carolina Department

1059
00:56:17,507 --> 00:56:20,577
of Agriculture certified 
South Carolina grown

1060
00:56:20,677 --> 00:56:23,980
helps consumers identify 
find and buy South

1061
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:27,417
Carolina products. McLeod 
Farms in McBee

1062
00:56:27,517 --> 00:56:30,387
South Carolina. This 
family farm offers

1063
00:56:30,487 --> 00:56:32,922
seasonal produce 
including over twenty two

1064
00:56:33,022 --> 00:56:36,192
varieties of peaches. 
Additional funding

1065
00:56:36,292 --> 00:56:39,462
provided by International 
Paper and the South

1066
00:56:39,562 --> 00:56:41,831
Carolina Farm Bureau 
Federation and Farm

1067
00:56:41,931 --> 00:56:42,932
Bureau Insurance.