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good evening. Good evening.

Thank you so much for
joining us for making it grow.

Coming to you from
downtown sumtersouth

carolina. My name's amanda
mcnulty I'm an

extension agent over here. Get
to come on tuesdays.

To be people who knows
a lot and try to answer

your questions. I'm so glad
to have such a wonderful

crew as always. Tonight
I'm happy to welcome john

nelson.
The curator of the

ac moore herbarium. At the
university of south carolina.

How is the botaniizing? Going?
Every day of the week

in some form or another.
Got to go out last week.

To look for a rare plant
and various carolina vase.

Orange burg county. Ok.

And
you are I today,

we came early. Thank you,
and we did podcast.

We've got a good many
podcast now.

If any of y'all are interested
in podcast. They are called

making it grow extra and
you go to s. C.

You go to south carolina public
radio, and they have

podcasts there, and you
can find the making it grow

1's,
and today we talked about

something that is very
interesting to chase

smoak.
Because he

really enjoys obtaining, and we
talked about

carolina vase. It's
2 fascinating subjects

and Dr. John and i

talked a little bit earlier
and there. They're kind of

an enigma about how these
things occurred and

he had to do some really
cool research back in the

day going out and doing
it the other survey on

these. Correct?
Back in the 8ies when

I was with steve bennett
at the south carolina

wildlife department.
It was fantastic.

It sounds fantastic.
Which is now dr and i

think you've got 1 we may tromp
around soon which is

fantastic. They say this could
be fun. Yeah I hope so.

Chase is the horticulture
agent here in sumter,

and we're so happy to
have you here.

Vicky bertagnolli is a
horticulturist

and though she is a
entomologist

and but she's learned a
lot of course. Ok

and aiken what's going
on your way. Today we

had 4 h.
Natural resources camp

and so we went over to
you silver bluff audubon

and I have a classroom
there and joy cox. The

4 h. Agent in aiken
county.

We had we were showing
the kids

different wildlife that
happens to be in our

backyards,
and sean poppy from

savannah river ecology
lab came over and

brought a variety of
critters that

we got to see owls and we
got the

titles and alligators and
it was wonderful.

They sure had a
wonderful time.

It was awesome. Yeah
and I'm the audubon

society is very active in
south carolina. We thank

them for what they're
doing here.

Ok.
Terasa lott is in charge

of the master gardener
programs. The

administration of it and
she's got 10 so it's easy

to report your time,
and she still has time.

Thank goodness she makes
time,

for us here
because she does all

about social media. Terasa lott
what you got

for us tonight?
Well

it is now easier than
ever to interact with

making it grow or to
watch when you don't have

access to cable or if you
happen to be traveling and

or out of state and that
is because we are getting

up to date by using
facebook live.

Although I understand we
may have a small issue

with sound from streaming
this evening. So

I do invite you to join.
It's a great way and

you can comment on there
you don't have to log in.

So there's no extra
requirements for that

and it's really cool
there are some little

I think they're called
emoticons.

Or little icons in if
you put those, if you

click the little thumbs
up button now see little

thumbs up flowed across
the screen which always

makes me happy so great
when asking questions

if you don't want to
perhaps call in or if you

want to talk with other
people who are viewing.

Recently we added a new
feature. The question of

the week and this is
in10ded to provide the

panel with a way to give
a more in depth the

detailed response to a
question

that might not be
available to a

particular caller. So
let's jump into that.

Since dr john is here I
thought we would have a

plant i.d. Questions of
this is from

anne willy in
summerville.

She said she's been
trying for weeks to catch

the live program so she
can ask the question that

seems she was never
available

during that time frame.
She's hopeful we can help

her to identify this
grassy weed that has

taken over her saint
augustine lawn.

She said she's tried 2
different chemicals

atrazine and tryclopere
. But with no success.

She initially thought it
might be a type of crab

grass but it doesn't have
the finger like

appearance.
It forms an upright

bunches of individual
shoots. But the seeds do

look a lot like out of
crabgrass. She reports.

She would like our
assistance and thanks us

so I'm going to turn it
over to the talented

panel of experts and see
if they have an id

and possibly some control
recommendations for this

grassy weed.
Well vicky think you got to

take a pass on this. I'm an
entomologist. I seen

no insects on there so.

Chase you like to i.d.
Things I think he kind of

had an idea of what this
1 was. I do and I try to

learn as much as I can when dr
john is around and we're out

in the field looking at these
plants. He is a

really good teacher.
I thank you better all

like Dr. John said we're
told that earlier it

looks like a witch grass,
but

they can be really hard
to get down to the

species sometimes.
And john we

did so what's the genus is for

the witch grass?
Which grass is a really

interesting group and
they are complicated

and
they are actually

closely related to the
panic grasses. Yes

and there used to be
considered as part of the

the genus panicum.
About now they're

they're considered their
own genus the dichanthium

of the world
and

I just have to say to
anybody he wants to get a

grass i.d.ed properly. Yes.
Really

needs to get it to a
botanist.

With a specimen because
it's so hard

to identify the grass
even if it has spikelets

on it. It's gonna have a
spiklets. What is the

spikelets?
So here's,

now i'll hold it real still.
Thank you.

And
this is a

blooming we decided
that this is a

goose grass
and you say it's got all

the vegetative parts down
here

and now it is the middle
of the summer late summer

it's decided to bloom.
So these are the

spikelets now the
spikelets are not

always look the same
from grass to grass.

But in order to really
get a good identification

you really need to have
these things the best

thing to do is
get it to your local

herbarium. All right and
your local

botanist. Ok. And let
them do the

work. Ok.
And then adam gore, since

this is the kind of
complicated thing adam

gore is
1 of our excision

agents.. He is based in
abbeville and he's been

on the show and he's
getting his phd in turf

and
since grasses

particularly I think
we've

got 10 grassy weeds are
weeds in general. Can be a

problem and
in turf grass

week asked adam if you
would help us out with

this. Are you there adam?
I'm not hearing you i

hope, talk a little bit
more.

Well I can hear y'all
certainly.

But
the issue that we're

having is that this is
saint augustine grass but

we're trying to
keep

while trying to save or
yeah we'll try to get rid

of this which grass
so the issue with that is

that saint augustine is
very temperamental about

the herbicides that you
use on it.

There aren't really
anything

there's not really much
available

in terms of selective
grass control.

A homeowner can spray on
saint augustine.

Can I ask you something
adam?

Yes ma'am.
So just because your

neighbor
used to certain

herbicides own
bermuda grass that

doesn't mean that you can
use that on

saint augustine. You have
to read the label is that

correct?
Yes ma'am I don't know

how many times I have to
say read the label.

Because just because you
see your neighbors spray on

bermuda. If you go in
spray that

same thing on your st
augustine.

You're gonna be calling
your extension agents

saying why is all my
grass dead?

So we really her only
option is you can try it

right now is a product
called celsius.

But that comes with some
hazards.

We're here in the middle
of the summer

and celsius cannot be
sprayed when it is about

eighty 5 degrees.
So she really going to

have to either spray in
the early morning or in

the evening.
The other issue is that

by this point that grass
is mature so

so
herbicides don't

aren't as effective on
older more mature plants.

So control is

gonna be spotty.
So what she really has to

do is look at
late february early march

if this is indeed an
annual.

She really needs to put
out a pre emergent

herbicide.
Ok,

and if it
is a perennial and if we

can get more of this
grass sent to dr.

Nelson he can
get it down to the

species and find out
if it were a perennial

then he would have to
make a

post emergent labeled for
saint augustine well that

read was very small for a
real control

yes ma'am
this

type of grass we really
want to hit it when it's

young
is more susceptible to

our herbicides.
Otherwise it's awful

you're looking at a
complete renovation of

the area. Well I know
nobody wants to do that.

We appreciate your going
down to the office

and I'm a seeing a
wonderful duck head behind

you. Yes ma'am. Poster on the
wall.

Thank you so much for all
your help and we look

forward to having you
right here in the studio

again soon.
Y'all have a good

evening thanks a lot.
Terasa I think you've

got something else for us.
Well I was just kind of

wrapped up in my own
little world over here.

Someone was asking about
control of an aquatic

plant. Which can be
equally complicated or

just as important to get
a proper i. D. On the plant

and
because. You know we want

to make sure that
whatever you're going to

use is going to actually
address that particular

plant. Then in
water. It

maybe it might be even a
little more complicated

because we need to make
sure that it is safe for

aquatic use. An then if there
are fish

involved, that we're not
going to inadvertently

harm any other aquatic
life.

I think it's time for our
gardens of the week. Which

is also relatively new
feature where we get to

take a virtual field trip
around the state and see

what all of you are doing
in your yards big and

small. So
let's get started first

up we have Steve Edwards
in fort mill, South

Carolina and I think this
must be the ultimate

container garden. I
imagine he's spending

quite a lot of time out
there watering those pots

with our summer
temperatures but they all

look like they're doing
very well.

Next we have Cynthia Sinclair in
Due West, South

Carolina I just like
the angle at which this

photo was taken and I
believe it's a trellist

or staked
tomatoes that are growing

in there. What a neat
architectural shot.

Next we have Pamela
Rivers who has

tiny pineapples
what a cute picture I

must say i've never tried
to

to grow a pineapple but
looks like pamela is

having some success.
Our 4th stop is James

Kenneth Faircloth who
has an assortment of

raised beds. I especially
like that he's got the

areas in between
with a mulch layer of

straw it looks like
that's going to keep down

weeds.
And I must say that i

wish that is what my
garden look like it does

not look nearly as lush
as that.

We're going to wrap up
this week's gardens of

the week with I think
it's Makaylynn and Callie

in Campobello, South
Carolina.

What better thing to do
in the summer than take a

romp around the corn
field with your best

K9 pal. Thanks to everyone who

shared their photographs
I enjoy them each week

tomorrow i'll be putting
out a call on our

facebook page.
If you'd like to submit

something please do
include your city or town

and remember that
vertical, I'm sorry

horizontal or landscape
pictures work much better

on tv
then your

portrait or vertical
photos. So I look forward

to seeing what you send
in. Amanda back to you.

Thank you all so much and
Terasa's desk got a paint

job
my husband

Edward came over and
painted it for her

last week and
I hope she's gonna like

it. Nancy's
in Mount Pleasant

Nancy we're happy to hear
from you and how can we

help you tonight.
Thank you so much for

taking my call.
We have a crepe myrtle

that is at least twenty
years old and it

thirty feet tall forty
feet tall

and what the problem is

that this disease looking
area at the bottom and i

had a tree person
come out and look at the

tree. And he said
there's nothing I can do

that it has the disease
called canker

and that eventually we
will lose the tree and

all we can do now is to
water it

and
fertilize it. And

I wondered if you had any
more

information about a
disease called canker.

Well let's see if Chase
who's of

knows a lot about crepe myrtles.

Cankers can be caused by
quite a few different

problems.
The most common one I

see in the landscaper
industry is caused by the weed

eaters or other people
messing around by the base

of the tree.
And that may be what

happened to this tree. It
definitely can in fact I

looked at two different
trees that folks know

today that have been
injured down towards the

bottom of the tree
and you know sometimes.=

the tree will heal back if
it's a small nick but if

he gets a pretty good
chances of it coming back

are kind of slim sometimes
but

what gets it most the
time as a secondary

problem that comes in
afterwards.

And kind of takes the tree
out.

If you're going to have

someone come in and
examine it

is there a specific
certification that

you should try to make
certain that your

arborist has.
Certainly and there's an

ISA certification that
arborist can get.

And it kind of gives them
a little bit more

you know professional, something
that gives us a

little bit more courage
and hiring these guys

bring this has hey they
know what they're talking

about they've proven it with

the certificates. And I
think it's pretty easy to

find that if you go, how do you
find that Vicky.

You can use your search
engine and look for

the international society
of Arbor culture.

Or their web site is
ISA/arbor

and you can find it. And I
believe if you do that

then you can find ones in
your state. And then yes

there's a feature so
it used to be a behind

another page and now you
just scroll down on the

page and you can search
in your area.

International society of
arborist.

Very important to find
someone who

knows what he says
because as john said eariler

sometimes if we take a
plant

like a weed to
a store.

They may try to tell us
what it is but if they

tell us the wrong thing. then
your stuck.

Yeah. If you believe them.

And I'm not
discounting the person

who went to see this
person but I think the

more
professionalism

you can bring to solving
a problem

the better
the result.

Well we have so many
trained professionals out

there why not take
advantage of them.

They're working food for
us. That's right. Ok.

Public servants.
The main thing is a

good picture though.
Is that right.

Or the real thing. Ok

very very good.
All righty.

I think we got some show and
tell, so who wants to

bring up there's.
Well we could probably do

two
about the same time. Sure.

So
very special guest

tonight. I hope that little
fellow is moving

around like he's nervous about
being on TV.

It's his first time. So this is
a

Torreya Taxifolia.

Torreya Taxifolia. Torreya
Taxifolia

Florida Torreya or stinking
cedar or some folks might call

it. Which is kind of funny
name because it really

does not smell all that bad,
but the these guys are

actually federally
endangered plants

and they occur in three
counties along the

apalachicola river
in the northern part of

Florida. And I believe
have been seen where they

span about a mile into Georgia.

Wow. Yep but there is
there is a twig and

leaf blight that has
gotten into these plants

and it really wipes them
out before they reach

maturity enough to you
know reproduce.

And they have had problems with
that and deforestation.

Even the
feral pigs get in there

route the trees up.
They believe they're only

probably about eight hundred or
less left.

And it was actually
one of the very first

plants to end up on the
endangered species list.

When they invented the

that list for
demarcating a rare

species that were in trouble.
So I brought along just

for show and tell
an actual specimen of

the same plant.
And this was this 1 was

actually taken from
a Gadsden County Florida

back in the early
eighties. One of the sites

where it grows. Right.
And

probably not a good idea
to keep making specimens

of it.
But I think you're

going to use this one in
a very exciting way do

you have a big
project going on with

your friend. Yeah we do
we have

on the north side of Swan
Lake in Sumter

we talked about a bit
last week a little bit

more natural over there.
And what we do is create

this functional native
plant habitat so

schools can use as a
resource and come in and

teach kids, and adults too

about these plants they
normally would get to see.

And that's being funded
by a grant through

Keep America Beautiful,
which is

you know put on by Palmetto
Pride

our state litter agency. So
we're so happy to

work with them
and

the way were using it as
a kind of cutting down on some

litter problems and there's
kind of

a grown up a little bit
and makes more sense when

puts his teaching
component in there and.

That is very exciting. I think
one of the

things you're doing is
you're only going to

partner to
put in something to

capture some of the
litter,

which comes down from
Shot Patch Creek.

Right. When you do that I think

you go let us come out
and film that we're

really excited to show
what happens when

state agencies
work together to try to

solve some of these big
problems. Yes ma'am. Thank

you so much.
Ok

Thomas in Mount Pleasant
too just like Nancy was and

Tom
if you got a crepe myrtle

problem or is it
something else.

Hello Tom.
Yes.

Hello
you have a question for

us.
Yeah i've got a

pomegranate bush I
planted about three years

ago. It's about six foot tall
now

and towards the end of
spring

it seemed like it had a
little flower on it and

then a little small pomegranate
about the size of a pea and then

a couple days later it
all off.

I don't know if that's normal or
it's

just one pomegranate plant
do I need to have two.

You don't need to have two
but

some pomegranates set
fruit easily and some

don't I believe. And there
some

you know I don't know
which type he has but

their some
cold hearty

cultivator varieties that
come at a rush I believe.

I know when I was in
afghanistan I used to love

when I was
patrolling through the streets

then have some pomegranates and
eat off of them

but
yeah.

John on
it

has a how large an
area do pomegranates grow in

naturally
over and over in that

part of the world.
We're

basically asking the
wrong person about that

but I can tell you they
are

very interesting plants a
gorgeous flower

and that thing that you
see that's actually

surrounding the seeds.
Yes.

That's not really the
fruit, that's actually

the hypanthium.
I know this sounds like

double talk. One thing that.
What is a hypanthium? It is

just the floral tube. Really

That surrounds the flower.
Yeah

well.
And so the one that I've

got in my backyard
has been there for about

twelve years now and my
neighbor across the

street gave it to me.
And for the longest time

it never put us
it would occasionally

make flowers
now it's making fruits

regularly. So I just
wonder that maybe the

they're developing fruits
might be sort of an age

effect. They've got to be a
certain age before they

can start
making fruits. Well when

ever I went to Taiwan I some
them they were in pots and

they were small and were
lladen with fruit.

Some pomegranates from what i've
read

make beautiful flowers
and I'm growing well for

the flowers.
And then some are more

specific for producing
fruit.

It may be that you have
one that's

particular for its
flowers. there's

one across the
street from me that is

known for beauty that's one that
was selected for

beautiful flowers
and not fruit.

In my backyard I have one that
makes fruit. When they

get to a certain age
though

they do stop producing. So
if you've got one that's

forty years old
don't expect much from it

get a new one.
And do some research and

find out which ones
are going to if you want

the fruit are going to be good

for fruit. I think that
stand

the citrus man propagates
pomegranates per

specifically for ones
that make fruit.

And
stand, where is the stand

Mackenzie
down there and

the place where you get a
traffic ticket if you go

too fast. (Laughter)
Ok.

All right
we always enjoy our work

with the South Carolina
specialty foods

association, which is one
of the divisions of the

South Carolina County State
Department of Agriculture.

And they bring in
entrepreneurs

who sometimes have family
recipes that they've

decided to perfect an
offer to the public and

then sometimes they have
their own ideas that

they've come up with.
And we were

really tickled last week
because we had a visit

from lilies of charleston.

It's a special day for Making
It Grow and Susie Ellison with

the South Carolina Department
of Agriculture's specialty food

division comes down. Suzy we're
so happy to have you and

remind our viewers about what
the Specialty Foods division is

Well Specialty Foods is just a
very wide array of specialty

food products and they range all
over the state, Upstate, PeeDee,

Lowcountry, Midlands, all over.
Hot sauces, barbeque sauces,

rice, dumplings honey, teas,
coffees, you name it and we have

a ton of different products. We
have creative people in South

Carolina and I think you
brought one with you today. I

did. Tracey Richardson from
Lilies in Charleston. Tracey,

I'm so happy that you're with us
and you have a lovely story

about how the name of this
product came about. Thank you

for having me. The name Lilies
is named after my father's aunt,

my great aunt Lily and when we
were, when my father was

stationed in the service in New
Jersey we would go visit my

great-aunt Lily on Sundays to
have our Southern Sunday dinners

And so then your father came
back to South Carolina and I

think he was a restaurateur.
Yes. He had a restaurant called

The Rib Shack on King Street and
growing up my sister and I work

the restaurants in summer is
when we were in college and

people were always asking for
the sauce.

He'd go to the back

and he'd get them samples of
the sauce for them to take home

and after the restaurant closed
people were still asking for it.

So my sister and I decided
to start bottling it. And that's

how we got Lily's of Charleston.
And Suzy I think everything

that she's brought today has
some of the product in it. Why

don't you start with what's
down there near you?

A nice cool refreshing beverage
right in the middle of the

summer. You call this the
Palmetto mule? Yes

Okay your version of the Moscow
Mule. Exactly.

What goes in it? So we have
ginger beer,

sweet tea can't go do anything
without sweet tea in the South.

And we have vodka and lime
juice and then we rend it

with a specially-made salt that
has our hot sauce in it. So it's

got the hot sauce, sugar and
salt mixture with a little bit

of black pepper. Nice. Hopefully
you can package that one day.

I would love to. And I believe
you have two hot sauces

so tell us what
the difference is please. Sure

so the Lowcountry logo is a hot
version. All of our sauces have

a lot of flavor. So the heat
sort of sneaks up on you. A lot

of our customers call it
sneaky eat and the special

blend is a milder version. So if
you want still the hot sauce

flavor you can use it and it
doesn't have a lot of heat

and our products all are low in
sodium and Suzy we were

talking about the hot sauces.
They're not watery they're

kind of a wonderful texture.
It's more of a condiment.

slash sauce. The Lowcountry Loco
is my favorite. Because it's..

Anyone that knows me
knows that I drink the stuff

literally. (laughing)

And then I think we have a hors
devourers? Yes so what we did

was we made hummus and we

swirled the hot sauce in with
it and with a little olive oil

and some black sesame seeds. Oh
I was wondering what the

what the decoration was. How
perfect for South Carolina

is that we need to say benne
seeds... Yes exactly!

(laughing) And then Suzy let's
learn, see what we're going to

get in this one. I don't know I
was thinking maybe a dirty rice

but it's It's a Gullah rice.
Gullah rice. Gullah red rice

actually. Gullah red rice So we
put sausage and shrimp in our

red rice with a mixture of like
vegetables with have onions,

celery, red bell peppers. You
make the liquids first then you

add the rice to it and the meat
and then we cook it on the stove

just till it boils. And then put
it in the oven to sort of dry

out. And again because your
sauces are not just a liquid in

front of heat that they're
really as Suzy said more like a

condiment you can use it in this
way to really bind everything

together. Right. Our hot sauce
is so thick that a lot of people

use it as an ingredient when
they're cooking. You can use it

for your greens. You can use it
when you make chili. There's a

lot of recipes on our website
and which it shows you how you

can use the hot sauce as an
ingredient besides just the

condiment like on your eggs. And
although you didn't bring

anything with the mustard on
it today, Suzy see if you can

get some ideas from her of how
we can use these mustard sauces.

Well they have their barbecue
sauces. Their, that's probably

not really a good term cause
barbecue sauces have the cliche

and these things are more like
a condiment. Right.

And plus you have some dry
product that are fixing to be

introduced very shortly.
Don't you? Yes, sort of like our

salt. We're going to be

introducing some rubs and
poultry brine. So we'll have a

chicken poultry brine. We'll
have a mild chicken rub and a

hot chicken rub. And then we'll
also have like this nice sweet

pork rub. And Suzy if people
want to see the listings of the

South Carolina specialty food
products and that wonderful

array that just celebrates the
creativity of our South

Carolinians what how do they get
to your website?

The website is scsfa.org and or
you can

just google South Carolina
Specialty Foods.

It's easy to find. It pops right
up. Well I want to thank you so

much for coming and sharing
your family's history and

and all the wonderful things
that y'all are cooking and

Suzy, thank you for coming as
always. It's always my pleasure.

We really do appreciate
the South Carolina Department of

Agriculture and all the
things they do to try to

help
people in South Carolina,

not just the farmers but
the people who are coming

up with these wonderful
new ideas.

Be sure to support your
local farmers and

entrepreneurs in
everyway you can.

The ETV Endowment of South
Carolina is the reason

that Making It Grow and
so many of the programs

that I hope you enjoy
on South Carolina

Public Television and
South Carolina Public

Radio South Carolina
public radio are

available and as they say
when you watch those

fancy things like
victoria

through the contributions
of viewers like you. I am

going to do an event for
the ETV Endowment down at

Brook Green on August the
fifteenth and talk about

rice.
The rice culture in South

Carolina.
And

that all
became possible

and really
became the driving

economic force in South
Carolina's growth and

wealth
when there was a

conversion of knowledge
that was brought by the

enslaved
people

from the west coast of
africa. Sierra Leone and

surrounding countries.
When they were brought to

the low country of South
Carolina

and
in the eighteen fifties

or
forties and fifties when

they really started
moving and clearing with

incredible
toil

those coastal areas
and creating the rice

fields with dykes
is when everything really

took off.
And

in West Africa those
people had been growing

rice for for
centuries and centuries

and centuries
using the Tidal rivers

that were the same ones
that you found from Cape

Fear down into parts of
Georgia.

And they were using
hollow logs to

passively
use the force of the water

on high tides to
water the rice fields.

And the low country they
ditched

and had rice fields on
either on and it's on the

inside of the ditches the
river on this side.

And they develop these
trunks.

My brother made this
wonderful model of a rice

trunk for me. This would
have been buried

in the rice dyke
this side when there was

going to be a high tide
the fresh water rose on

top of the sea water
and this

gate could be lifted up so
that the water could

enter.
This pivoting gate

then as the force of the
water came in would be

a swing wide open
and the field would be

flooded.
As the water began to

recede
this gate would swing

shut
and the rice

the field would be
covered with water.

Which was necessary for
parts of the growth.

And then it could be
managed the other way.

My brother is going to
explain this if you come

down there he's much
better at than I am and

he made it for me. I'm
very appreciative.

But I'm going to bring
my rice pot

and I'm going to teach
you

a very wonderful way to
make rice so that every

grain will stand up by
itself.

so I hope that I get
to see some of you

at Brook Green garden onAaugust
the fifteenth

to support the ETV Endowment
and the programs

that you enjoy.
Thank you so much.

Now we going to go to Terasa.
Well in trying to fix an

issue there was no sound
through our stream, which

some of our facebook live
viewers alerted us to when

we tried to fix it,
unfortunately I in

trying to do that
when we stopped the stream

and now are unable to get
it loaded. Isn't

technology wonderful.
In any case I spent

sometime this weekend out
in my yard observing

and happen to find what I
think is really neat. So

this is a close up
photograph

of
a cauliflower

and you might not
be able to make out what

is on there but what you
can probably notice is

that there's been some
chewing activity that has

gone on this flower
it looks

like it's been munched on.
And this is

a caterpillar,
a master of disguise

caterpillar what it is
doing is adorning itself

with little plant parts.
What better way to

disguise yourself from
the enemy, perhaps a bird

that would want to come
by and eat you,

you just make yourself
look like a flower and

not a big
juicy caterpillar that

might be used to
feed a baby songbirds

brood. So
I am certainly not an

entomologist that would
be

Vicky in the insect world.
She might be able to comment

I think this is one of
the ceclor species.

Which are geometrics I
believe so I don't want

to put Vicky on the
spot but maybe she could

add a little bit
about caterpillars that

have interesting ways
of disguising themselves.

Vicky you know
anything about these

little guys. Yeah there is
there is a good number of

insects that are debris
caring

and a lot of them use it
for camouflage

like what Teresa is saying.
And then you've also got

predators that are using
it as camouflage to

ambush
and the lace wings are

really good at that
and you know they're out

there chasing aphids down.
But

like I said there's a
whole bunch of things

that are debris caring
and it's

it's neat that they've
it's not that they learned

how to use the tool, there
not they're not

intelligent like that
but it's neat that they

developed this behavior
for camouflage

purposes.
Well and as Teresa

said to keep
birds from coming and

eating them
at the end of the show. At

the end of the show I am a
debris carrier. I put plant

debris on my head. So I hope
that if a coyote comes after me

and he will go and find
his supper somewhere else.

Gail is in Charleston. Gail were
mighty happy to hear from you

and how can we
help you tonight.

yeah
I have a lot of dollar weed

coming in
my backyard I

live on a marsh. I don't want to
use chemicals

and what if anything I
can do about it.

Oh goodness gracious Chase
Dollar weed can certainly be a

problem.
They can be.

And I think Vicky

if I am correct it has a
lot to do with the soil

moisture. Yeah the
University of Florida did

some work on that and
they showed that either

cutting back on the
irrigation

or
changing the way that the

architecture in the yard
so that it cuts down on

the moisture in there
drastically reduced

how much dollar weed was
present

in landscape. Chase how many
people do you

think over irrigate their
turf grass.

I would say probably
about

being conservative
probably ninty-five

percent of people
yeah. Yeah a last last

week when it was raining
so hard pouring down the

way to the studio I
counted seven yeah seven

yards that irrigation
going during the rain

and
I live probably about

a mile and a half away
from the studio. So

it and it happens it's
just our lives get busy and

we just don't pay
attention to be really

got stay on top of it. Or
it can cause more problems.

Isn't there a leaf or Teresa

can I interrupt you. You can.
But whether or not I mean

I can answer the question
that's a whole nother

story.
Because water quality was

something you were so
involved with. An you used to

tell us about these
sensitive

features you could add to
your irrigation that

would make it cut off I
believe it was raining, is

that correct.
Yes so

there are a number of
different devices there

are rain sensors that can
usually be retrofitted to

almost any existing
system

that will cut off at a
pre programmed amount of

rain.
And then there are smart

controllers that can work
on a number of

different
characteristics or

properties. There are some
that are soil sensors,

soil moisture based,
some are weather based,

some can be sort of crop
based, so you can pre

program for them for your
water needs.

But there yes there are
lots of great ways

because irrigation is not
like set it and forget it

right.
We only need to

supplement when mother
nature is providing and

whenever we have
extra irrigation not only

can it be detrimental to
our plants but it can

carry potential
pollutants into our local

water way. So thanks for
asking Amanda.

Thank you for sharing
that information.

My friend Elizabeth Adams
teachers in the women's

studies department at Clemson
and she came down

to see us one time and she said
I just went to the most

fascinating place I've
ever been in my life. And

she said I just stumbled
in it,

while I was walking
across the Clemson

campus
and it's the Bob and

Betsy
Campbell Natural History

Museum
it is just about the most

remarkable place
i've ever been. I can't

tell you how exciting it
was

and I'm gonna do we gonna
give you a preview of it

now.
And I sure hope that you

make an effort to find it
the next time you're up

there at Clemson.

She is a pretty unusal looking
person. She is a cool Chick.

I'm with Melissa Fuentes who's
the curator here.

And tell us what
this museum's all about. So this

museum is geared towards what
it looks like, a vertebrate

collections. So we have many
animals from around the world

specifically to cater to
students and researchers at

want to come in and look at
animals that they wouldn't be

able to see in the wild
otherwise. And fortunately since

of course professors are always
getting and collecting things,

she had several professors who
had amassed fairly large

collections. I believe Doctor
Wourms was a fish specialist.

Oh yes! Yes! He
specialized in the study of

embryology in fish. So whenever
he would study a certain

species he would collect the
animals that he studied and he

would donate them to the
universities. So we have about

close to twenty thousand or more
specimens he alone donated

to the collection. And then
there's someone who's still very

active in collecting. That's
right. Doctor Blob. He's also

without him this Museum
wouldn't be what it is today.

He's helped us immensely in
gathering and housing and

storing most of the specimens
that you will see. Another

person important to the history
of this museum was Stanlee. That

was his first name. Miller who
became the curator but he

himself went out and
collected all the time. Oh yes.

Vast. He focused mostly on some
songbirds and warblers but he

would reach out to zoos and
other universities and museums

and they, we acquired so many
specimens thanks to him. And the

one that was just an amazing
occurrence was when he talked

to the York County museum. Yes
the York County museum and us

are in very good standing,
really good relationship with

them. They donated about ninety
percent of the animals mounted

or specimen wise that we have.
So to give back we are now

donating animals that we've
recently done native to

the Piedmont in South Carolina
area. Oh yes. That is their new

focus. So we are giving back to
them animals that they

wouldn't
be able to have otherwise. And

you have many many of those
animals that would be found in

this area but the backbone of

their collection came from the
Mellon family of great wealth.

And so this collection includes
things from every continent,

every square foot of the world.
Exactly right! Yes and many of

them are mounted which is good
for the students and

researchers that come in. So
they can see what they look

like alive instead of having
them just in a flat skin. But

there are different ways of
preserving things. Let's talk

about some of those ways. So
there are study skins which are

animals filled with cotton
batting. Then there are

taxidermy mounts. So it's
typically what you see

your parents or your
grandparents

having hung on the
wall. So a whitetail deer hung

or any animal that's
been stuffed with foam.

And they'll have little glass
eyes. Right. Really realistic.

Absolutely right. And then we
have simple

skins just a flat hide that
doesn't really have any

physical characteristics but
you can see what the animal is.

The pattern what the hair
texture was. Exactly right!

And then skeletons are also very
important. Also. Yes. We have

a colony of domestic beetles,
which are flesh-eating beetles.

So everything that we do we do
in-house. We press. We preserve.

We can serve. We restore. We
beetle clean. And we repair.

Mercy! And you yourself are a
taxidermist. Yes.

That's right I've been doing it
for about nine years now.

And you explained to me
that when we look at something

I see the veins in the neck.
You often get a mount that's

just kind of the bare bones of
what the animal was like and

everything else has to be
reproduced by you acting as

a sculptor. And fortunately you
had a background in art. I do.

I have a background in art with
a major in sculpting so every

muscle, every vein, every little
wrinkle and fold has to be put

in by hand. And that's done
right here. Yes that is. As one

of the wonderful things is in
your relationship with some of

the other institutions with whom
you have trading back and forth

and reciprocity you can
sometimes help them if they

don't have that. Absolutely and
most of the time we are grateful

that we do have these facilities
many other places don't.

So we offer our hand and help.

They help us. We
help them. They get to help

their students and anyone else
that benefits from

having these kinds of animals
there. We benefit because I now

have volunteers that I'm
training to become conservators

and preparators. And could you
use more volunteers? Absolutely!

I think I'd like to talk a

little bit about Mister
Campbell because I think it's

such an interesting story. He
was a South Carolinian who

graduated from Clemson went off
to the war and then started a

very important mining company
and became a very wealthy. And

he and his wife wanted to show
their appreciation of Clemson.

The geology museum is named for
Mister Campbell. But this museum

is named for both. And why is
that? Misses Campbell

was very adamant about
women's rights, women's rights

to attend universities, to have
higher paying jobs, to be able

to afford things that they
couldn't otherwise. So when it

came to naming this museum it's
not the Bob Campbell museum it's

the Bob and Betsy Campbell
Museum of Natural History.

Now you work with professors
here on campus but you work with

groups in other places too.
Apparently we have a wonderful

ability to share and let people
learn from these specimens in

other places. That's right.
We not only deal with

University students. We also
deal with elementary kids, high

school kids, any age group and
even families that want to come

in and have a private tour
of the museum.

So if we get called out
on assignment we pack up as

many specimens as we can
focusing on what the students

are focusing on. So if they're
learning food webs we take

animals that are
relative to that.

And we take the museum to them.
And in many cases you've got

you have the animal that's been
taxidermied. You may have the

skin.
You may have some of the bones

from the animal. And in the
case of birds you may have

the eggs. Oh yes
absolutely! We have

several specimens that are here
throughout the museum with

eggs inside or eggs on the side
of them so you can see

the relationship between egg and
how it fits inside the body

of the bird. Well and how that
kiwi gets that egg out is a

great mystery to me. I'm so glad
that I don't have to see it in

action. Definitely. I just think
we are so very fortunate

and of course many of the things
are not on display and

many of the things need to be
updated.

And there's just a great task
and I think we are

so fortunate that you're here.
And also within this facility

you've got a wonderful companion
Dixie Damrel who's in charge of

the Herbarium. Yes. Exactly
right. We are grateful

to have her. The Herbarium is
one of the

largest in South Carolina. So
it's a wonderful research tool

actively used by anyone in the
state or out-of-state that they

can come and research plants and
see where plants have been

found and if any new species
have been found as well. And

this is well worth the drive.
And y'all apparently are

so accommodating and welcoming
to people when they come.

So if people want to come and
visit with you

what's the best way to get in
touch with you?

The best way
would be through email.

So it would be my email Fuente
the number two at clemson.edu.

And if not, look us up in our
catalog. It would be under

biological sciences. We're all
there. Give us

Give us your information and
we'll book a tour.

Well and the next time I get an
animal that's very interesting

I'm going to put it in the
freezer

and bring it right up to you.
Please do.

(laughs)

You can't get enough. Can not.
Thank you so much for an

amazing visit. Thank you and
come again please.

(guitar strumming)

All the fun people in the
world put great color in

their hair don't they Vicky.
And I'll tell you

she was certainly fun and
just

thrilling
to talk to and so excited

about what she was doing.
Find that her

bond that wonderful space
on

the
Natural History Museum

and go because you'll
just have the best time.

Really is a treasure on
Clemson's campus.

Well my hats kind of
kind of bleak

gathering
not great a great one but

anyway

little green leaf
and that's a native

one of our
holly's. And I just think it's

beautiful and could be
used a lot more

in the landscape instead
of some other things that

have a lot of problems
kind of like a substitute

for boxwood I would
think.

And the male ones when
they bloom I've seen him

discolored of
pollenators.

Bees.
You know because they

want that pollen and so
look

for it.
And there is improved ones

out there now I think.
And then

there's this little
beautiful green thing is

a hydrangea paniculata

this one is a little line. And
this is dry and

look at that beautiful
color. Isn't that pretty.

And then I had that spikelet
that Dr. John

was showing from the goose grass

put that in my head
being glad it wasn't

really a goose because
goose

their

you don't want a goose in
your head for many many reasons.

We have a goose problem

place ponds here near
Sumter and they are not

fun they can be a problem.
Greg is in Belmont, North

Carolina were so glad to hear
from you Greg what's

happening up there in North
Carolina.

Well it's hot here
as anywhere and

just want to say thank
you for taking my call I

really like your show and
I know the title is

Making It Grow but
I need to know how to

kill a crepe myrtle
stump.

I have tried everything
but dynamite. Really.

Ok.
So it keeps re-sprouting.

Everywhere it keeps sprouting
from the stump. I

have drilled holes in it
and put round up in the holes

and kinda filled them up
with wax.

Somebody said if I would
take

copper nails and drive
down in it that

would kill them.
Don't make that

trip to the hardware
store.

John explain where the
vascular tissue

in a crepe myrtle or
woody plants is.

Well in any
dei carceri the

the
cambium the

the
merry stem that's

called a lateral merry
stem is just under the

bark.
The growing part. Right

that's what makes a tree
able to get fatter.

Now
and this is a reason if

you girdle a tree it'll
generally kill it

because you're
disrupting all of the

the vascular tissue.
And so that's what the

tree is trying to grow
back from

an especially if there
are any

buds left. That
the

vascular cambium can
serve as a source of

new growth.
And so he's trying to do

all this stuff to the
interior

of the
stump

and so tell me tell him
what he can do

now
to successfully

stop this.
So

I guess we'll talk about
reverse propagation for a second

and
what I found to be

effective is to
cut this cut the tree

down.
You have the stump

and what you'll see is
that regeneration a new

growth that starts to
come back up

and once that starts to
come back up that tissue is

much younger and you can
treat it with chemicals

specially if you take
like a paint brush with

life to say concentrate
you can go right around

outside
hit that vasular tissue.

You can paint the whole
stump too if you want to,

but that's much more
effective

and it's kind of like a
game of attrition with

these crepe myrtles. You hear me
harp on all

the time about pretty
sure they can survive

nuclear blast,
and they're tough plants.

So it may take more than
one treatment. Right you're

gonna have to knock it
down until it runs at

energy and can't re grow
that.

And I have a lot of
trouble with some

berries and
on cherry in my yard

and I just go out there
and

I cut him and then as
soon as I do

before has time to kind
of heal over

I'll paint with that full
strength. What is it forty

four percent or something. Forty
one.

Percent
and

and with a cheap little paint
brush we hope

that will certainly
be more effective in

doing stuff to the
interior

because as John explain
to you

the actively growing
areas right there towards

the outside.
Teresa thank you so

much for all you do for us
and we really are

just
thnking that the

plants of the week are so
much fun

and can people see those
if they got a facebook

page.
They absolutely can so

they're probably a bit
buried now because we

started just making a
call once a month so

you'd have to scroll down
the page

and some people also
posted photos over in the

section called post by
others

but just browse through
there. You'll find lots of

good
information hopefully and

maybe some questions will
be answered that you had.

Now earlier I showed a
picture of that

caterpillar disguising
itself so I thought we

keep with the
lepidoptera theme

someone sent in a
photograph of a butterfly

on the fig tree and
wanted to know if this

was a concern.
And this is a I believe a

red admiral butterfly
and what is really crazy

about them is you
probably think about

them feeding on the
nectar from flowers.

However that is not their
preferred food source.

They actually would
prefer sap flows in trees,

bird droppings and
fermented

fruit. So they're only
going to visit flowers

when those other things
are not available but

the fig tree is not the
host plant.

Host plants are things in
efficacy

Family so things like
false metal

and wood metal so
go out and take time when

you're maybe when you're
getting to work in the

morning or even in your
own yard or visit a park

on the weekend and just
stop and take a look at

the world around you.
There is so much to

marvel at if we just take
the time.

Amanda back to you.
Thank you Chase I think

you've got another one of
the treasures you going to be

putting in at Swan lake. I do we
have fifty

two new species that have never
been in Swan Lake

before. If
your a plant person, you

love it
like I do

come on out once we get this
thing completed and

I'm sure you're
really enjoy it.

So yeah here we have a
sarcina flava

as I like to call it as Dr. John
says you call it flavor

as well.
It rolls off the tongue

every easy.

And it's just really cool.

This a pitcher plant
yellow pitcher plant,

correct.
And

it's a great plant you
can cooperate into areas

of your yard
presence. I built a

ball garden in our old house
and it just adds up to

this specialty area
that's really neat to

give you something to
talk about.

They're kind of strict
about the soil

requirements you don't
want to any type of

fertilizer to them.
Of course the little

insects that fall down
into the tubes

these used for nutrients there
digested

and
they may even have some

pretty neat little
flowers on there. John

talk about this flower
a little bit explain it

to us. Chase I am glad you
pointed

that out. That
a lot of times I'm

leaving the field trip
and we'll see this thing

and
people will look at this

tubular leaf and say oh
what a pretty flower.

Of course it's not the
flower.

The flowers come up
generally in nature

long time before the
leaves do.

So here's the flowering
of course it has

your standard flower
parts the petals have

fallen off.
And so have the stamens.

So this is an older flower.

And this really weird
looking

cup that looks like a
what you call it like an

umbrella
is that actually the

female part of the flower, the
stigma.

So it gets pollinated on
this lower side of it.

So where
the pollen.

This
were inside here.

Ok. They've all fallen out.
So what kind of insects

go in there to do the
pollination.

You want to give it. Go for it.
With this one

from what I've read you
know a lot of times I

guess
folks in the past

strictly associate it with
bees and flies and

those types inscets but
really with this one I

believe It's
bees in particular. Excuse me

bees before beatles and

flies.
Ok.

Kind of has a little bit of a
pungent odor to alot of the

flowers too.
But with this one I

believe
bees

and
bees and even tree frogs

will get into them
sometimes. Tree Frogs!!

Place to hide.
There is even a fly

called sarcina fly
that you know

strictly associated with
this.

This little
upside down umbrella will

catch that pollen as it comes
down and as those

pollinators wingle into it they
take it out with them.

It's
really neat. That's

more fun than the
play station's at

mcdonald's. That's right.
And john just we have

thirty four seconds I
will let you pick. I wanna

show a hedge nettle and alot of

people want to complain
about

Florida batoni.
This is a native

cousin
this one is called thin

leafed hedgenettle and I have it
growing

like crazy in my
backyard.

Very pretty stuff.
This is a cousin

of the despised Florida Batoni.

Tenuifolia. Tenuifolia

An with that tenuous goodbye we
will say we'll see you right

here next week on
Making it Grow.

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