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Thank you so much for 
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Coming to you from 
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carolina. My name's amanda 
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extension agent over here. Get 
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To be people who knows 
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your questions. I'm so glad 
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crew as always. Tonight 
I'm happy to welcome john

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nelson. 
The curator of the

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ac moore herbarium. At the 
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How is the botaniizing? Going? 
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To look for a rare plant 
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Orange burg county. Ok.

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1's, 
and today we talked about

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something that is very 
interesting to chase

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smoak. 
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really enjoys obtaining, and we 
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carolina vase. It's 
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talked a little bit earlier 
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an enigma about how these 
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these. Correct? 
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wildlife department. 
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It sounds fantastic. 
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think you've got 1 we may tromp 
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fantastic. They say this could 
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Chase is the horticulture 
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and aiken what's going 
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different wildlife that 
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plant i.d. Questions of 
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her to identify this 
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atrazine and tryclopere 
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grass but it doesn't have 
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bunches of individual 
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look a lot like out of 
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so I'm going to turn it 
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and possibly some control 
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grassy weed. 
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take a pass on this. I'm an 
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Chase you like to i.d. 
Things I think he kind of

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learn as much as I can when dr 
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in the field looking at these 
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really good teacher. 
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like Dr. John said we're 
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looks like a witch grass, 
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species sometimes. 
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did so what's the genus is for

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the witch grass? 
Which grass is a really

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interesting group and 
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the genus panicum. 
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of the world 
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I just have to say to 
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grass i.d.ed properly. Yes. 
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With a specimen because 
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to identify the grass 
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on it. It's gonna have a 
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spikelets? 
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now i'll hold it real still. 
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blooming we decided 
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goose grass 
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the vegetative parts down 
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and now it is the middle 
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it's decided to bloom. 
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spikelets now the 
spikelets are not

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always look the same 
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you really need to have 
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thing to do is 
get it to your local

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herbarium. All right and 
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botanist. Ok. And let 
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work. Ok. 
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this is the kind of 
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gore is 
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agents.. He is based in 
abbeville and he's been

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on the show and he's 
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got 10 grassy weeds are 
weeds in general. Can be a

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week asked adam if you 
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this. Are you there adam? 
I'm not hearing you i

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hope, talk a little bit 
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Well I can hear y'all 
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But 
the issue that we're

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having is that this is 
saint augustine grass but

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we're trying to 
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while trying to save or 
yeah we'll try to get rid

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of this which grass 
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that saint augustine is 
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the herbicides that you 
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There aren't really 
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there's not really much 
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in terms of selective 
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A homeowner can spray on 
saint augustine.

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Can I ask you something 
adam?

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Yes ma'am. 
So just because your

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neighbor 
used to certain

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herbicides own 
bermuda grass that

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doesn't mean that you can 
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saint augustine. You have 
to read the label is that

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correct? 
Yes ma'am I don't know

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how many times I have to 
say read the label.

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Because just because you 
see your neighbors spray on

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bermuda. If you go in 
spray that

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same thing on your st 
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You're gonna be calling 
your extension agents

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saying why is all my 
grass dead?

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So we really her only 
option is you can try it

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right now is a product 
called celsius.

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But that comes with some 
hazards.

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We're here in the middle 
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and celsius cannot be 
sprayed when it is about

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eighty 5 degrees. 
So she really going to

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have to either spray in 
the early morning or in

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the evening. 
The other issue is that

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by this point that grass 
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so 
herbicides don't

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aren't as effective on 
older more mature plants.

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So control is

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gonna be spotty. 
So what she really has to

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do is look at 
late february early march

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if this is indeed an 
annual.

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She really needs to put 
out a pre emergent

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herbicide. 
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and if it 
is a perennial and if we

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can get more of this 
grass sent to dr.

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Nelson he can 
get it down to the

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species and find out 
if it were a perennial

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then he would have to 
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post emergent labeled for 
saint augustine well that

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read was very small for a 
real control

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yes ma'am 
this

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type of grass we really 
want to hit it when it's

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young 
is more susceptible to

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our herbicides. 
Otherwise it's awful

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you're looking at a 
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the area. Well I know 
nobody wants to do that.

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We appreciate your going 
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and I'm a seeing a 
wonderful duck head behind

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you. Yes ma'am. Poster on the 
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Thank you so much for all 
your help and we look

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forward to having you 
right here in the studio

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again soon. 
Y'all have a good

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evening thanks a lot. 
Terasa I think you've

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got something else for us. 
Well I was just kind of

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wrapped up in my own 
little world over here.

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Someone was asking about 
control of an aquatic

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plant. Which can be 
equally complicated or

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just as important to get 
a proper i. D. On the plant

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and 
because. You know we want

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to make sure that 
whatever you're going to

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use is going to actually 
address that particular

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plant. Then in 
water. It

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maybe it might be even a 
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because we need to make 
sure that it is safe for

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aquatic use. An then if there 
are fish

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involved, that we're not 
going to inadvertently

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harm any other aquatic 
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I think it's time for our 
gardens of the week. Which

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is also relatively new 
feature where we get to

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take a virtual field trip 
around the state and see

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what all of you are doing 
in your yards big and

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small. So 
let's get started first

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up we have Steve Edwards 
in fort mill, South

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Carolina and I think this 
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container garden. I 
imagine he's spending

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quite a lot of time out 
there watering those pots

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with our summer 
temperatures but they all

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look like they're doing 
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Next we have Cynthia Sinclair in 
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Carolina I just like 
the angle at which this

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photo was taken and I 
believe it's a trellist

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or staked 
tomatoes that are growing

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in there. What a neat 
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Next we have Pamela 
Rivers who has

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tiny pineapples 
what a cute picture I

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must say i've never tried 
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to grow a pineapple but 
looks like pamela is

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having some success. 
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Kenneth Faircloth who 
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raised beds. I especially 
like that he's got the

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areas in between 
with a mulch layer of

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straw it looks like 
that's going to keep down

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weeds. 
And I must say that i

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wish that is what my 
garden look like it does

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not look nearly as lush 
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We're going to wrap up 
this week's gardens of

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the week with I think 
it's Makaylynn and Callie

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in Campobello, South 
Carolina.

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What better thing to do 
in the summer than take a

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romp around the corn 
field with your best

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K9 pal. Thanks to everyone who

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shared their photographs 
I enjoy them each week

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tomorrow i'll be putting 
out a call on our

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facebook page. 
If you'd like to submit

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something please do 
include your city or town

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and remember that 
vertical, I'm sorry

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horizontal or landscape 
pictures work much better

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on tv 
then your

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portrait or vertical 
photos. So I look forward

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to seeing what you send 
in. Amanda back to you.

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Thank you all so much and 
Terasa's desk got a paint

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job 
my husband

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Edward came over and 
painted it for her

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last week and 
I hope she's gonna like

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it. Nancy's 
in Mount Pleasant

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Nancy we're happy to hear 
from you and how can we

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help you tonight. 
Thank you so much for

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taking my call. 
We have a crepe myrtle

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that is at least twenty 
years old and it

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thirty feet tall forty 
feet tall

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and what the problem is

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that this disease looking 
area at the bottom and i

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had a tree person 
come out and look at the

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tree. And he said 
there's nothing I can do

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that it has the disease 
called canker

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and that eventually we 
will lose the tree and

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all we can do now is to 
water it

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and 
fertilize it. And

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I wondered if you had any 
more

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information about a 
disease called canker.

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Well let's see if Chase 
who's of

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knows a lot about crepe myrtles.

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Cankers can be caused by 
quite a few different

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problems. 
The most common one I

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see in the landscaper 
industry is caused by the weed

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eaters or other people 
messing around by the base

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of the tree. 
And that may be what

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happened to this tree. It 
definitely can in fact I

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looked at two different 
trees that folks know

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today that have been 
injured down towards the

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bottom of the tree 
and you know sometimes.=

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the tree will heal back if 
it's a small nick but if

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he gets a pretty good 
chances of it coming back

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are kind of slim sometimes 
but

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what gets it most the 
time as a secondary

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problem that comes in 
afterwards.

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And kind of takes the tree 
out.

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If you're going to have

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someone come in and 
examine it

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is there a specific 
certification that

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you should try to make 
certain that your

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arborist has. 
Certainly and there's an

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ISA certification that 
arborist can get.

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And it kind of gives them 
a little bit more

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you know professional, something 
that gives us a

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little bit more courage 
and hiring these guys

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bring this has hey they 
know what they're talking

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about they've proven it with

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the certificates. And I 
think it's pretty easy to

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find that if you go, how do you 
find that Vicky.

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You can use your search 
engine and look for

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the international society 
of Arbor culture.

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Or their web site is 
ISA/arbor

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and you can find it. And I 
believe if you do that

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then you can find ones in 
your state. And then yes

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there's a feature so 
it used to be a behind

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another page and now you 
just scroll down on the

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page and you can search 
in your area.

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International society of 
arborist.

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Very important to find 
someone who

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knows what he says 
because as john said eariler

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sometimes if we take a 
plant

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like a weed to 
a store.

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They may try to tell us 
what it is but if they

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tell us the wrong thing. then 
your stuck.

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Yeah. If you believe them.

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And I'm not 
discounting the person

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who went to see this 
person but I think the

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more 
professionalism

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you can bring to solving 
a problem

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the better 
the result.

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Well we have so many 
trained professionals out

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there why not take 
advantage of them.

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They're working food for 
us. That's right. Ok.

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Public servants. 
The main thing is a

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good picture though. 
Is that right.

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Or the real thing. Ok

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very very good. 
All righty.

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I think we got some show and 
tell, so who wants to

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bring up there's. 
Well we could probably do

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two 
about the same time. Sure.

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So 
very special guest

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tonight. I hope that little 
fellow is moving

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around like he's nervous about 
being on TV.

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It's his first time. So this is 
a

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Torreya Taxifolia.

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Torreya Taxifolia. Torreya 
Taxifolia

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Florida Torreya or stinking 
cedar or some folks might call

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it. Which is kind of funny 
name because it really

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does not smell all that bad, 
but the these guys are

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actually federally 
endangered plants

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and they occur in three 
counties along the

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apalachicola river 
in the northern part of

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Florida. And I believe 
have been seen where they

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span about a mile into Georgia.

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Wow. Yep but there is 
there is a twig and

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leaf blight that has 
gotten into these plants

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and it really wipes them 
out before they reach

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maturity enough to you 
know reproduce.

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And they have had problems with 
that and deforestation.

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Even the 
feral pigs get in there

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route the trees up. 
They believe they're only

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probably about eight hundred or 
less left.

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And it was actually 
one of the very first

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plants to end up on the 
endangered species list.

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When they invented the

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that list for 
demarcating a rare

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species that were in trouble. 
So I brought along just

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for show and tell 
an actual specimen of

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the same plant. 
And this was this 1 was

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actually taken from 
a Gadsden County Florida

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back in the early 
eighties. One of the sites

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where it grows. Right. 
And

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probably not a good idea 
to keep making specimens

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of it. 
But I think you're

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going to use this one in 
a very exciting way do

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you have a big 
project going on with

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your friend. Yeah we do 
we have

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on the north side of Swan 
Lake in Sumter

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we talked about a bit 
last week a little bit

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more natural over there. 
And what we do is create

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this functional native 
plant habitat so

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schools can use as a 
resource and come in and

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teach kids, and adults too

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about these plants they 
normally would get to see.

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And that's being funded 
by a grant through

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Keep America Beautiful, 
which is

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you know put on by Palmetto 
Pride

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our state litter agency. So 
we're so happy to

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work with them 
and

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the way were using it as 
a kind of cutting down on some

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litter problems and there's 
kind of

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a grown up a little bit 
and makes more sense when

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puts his teaching 
component in there and.

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That is very exciting. I think 
one of the

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things you're doing is 
you're only going to

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partner to 
put in something to

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capture some of the 
litter,

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which comes down from 
Shot Patch Creek.

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Right. When you do that I think

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you go let us come out 
and film that we're

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really excited to show 
what happens when

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state agencies 
work together to try to

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solve some of these big 
problems. Yes ma'am. Thank

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you so much. 
Ok

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Thomas in Mount Pleasant 
too just like Nancy was and

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Tom 
if you got a crepe myrtle

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problem or is it 
something else.

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Hello Tom. 
Yes.

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Hello 
you have a question for

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us. 
Yeah i've got a

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pomegranate bush I 
planted about three years

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ago. It's about six foot tall 
now

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and towards the end of 
spring

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it seemed like it had a 
little flower on it and

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then a little small pomegranate 
about the size of a pea and then

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a couple days later it 
all off.

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I don't know if that's normal or 
it's

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just one pomegranate plant 
do I need to have two.

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You don't need to have two 
but

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some pomegranates set 
fruit easily and some

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don't I believe. And there 
some

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you know I don't know 
which type he has but

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their some 
cold hearty

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cultivator varieties that 
come at a rush I believe.

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I know when I was in 
afghanistan I used to love

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when I was 
patrolling through the streets

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then have some pomegranates and 
eat off of them

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but 
yeah.

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John on 
it

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has a how large an 
area do pomegranates grow in

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naturally 
over and over in that

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part of the world. 
We're

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basically asking the 
wrong person about that

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but I can tell you they 
are

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very interesting plants a 
gorgeous flower

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and that thing that you 
see that's actually

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surrounding the seeds. 
Yes.

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That's not really the 
fruit, that's actually

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the hypanthium. 
I know this sounds like

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double talk. One thing that. 
What is a hypanthium? It is

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just the floral tube. Really

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That surrounds the flower. 
Yeah

487
00:21:55,213 --> 00:21:56,748
well. 
And so the one that I've

488
00:21:56,848 --> 00:21:59,484
got in my backyard 
has been there for about

489
00:21:59,584 --> 00:22:01,687
twelve years now and my 
neighbor across the

490
00:22:01,787 --> 00:22:04,323
street gave it to me. 
And for the longest time

491
00:22:04,423 --> 00:22:06,892
it never put us 
it would occasionally

492
00:22:06,992 --> 00:22:09,561
make flowers 
now it's making fruits

493
00:22:09,661 --> 00:22:13,065
regularly. So I just 
wonder that maybe the

494
00:22:13,165 --> 00:22:15,867
they're developing fruits 
might be sort of an age

495
00:22:15,967 --> 00:22:18,203
effect. They've got to be a 
certain age before they

496
00:22:18,303 --> 00:22:21,973
can start 
making fruits. Well when

497
00:22:22,074 --> 00:22:24,509
ever I went to Taiwan I some 
them they were in pots and

498
00:22:24,609 --> 00:22:28,513
they were small and were 
lladen with fruit.

499
00:22:28,613 --> 00:22:31,083
Some pomegranates from what i've 
read

500
00:22:31,183 --> 00:22:33,385
make beautiful flowers 
and I'm growing well for

501
00:22:33,485 --> 00:22:35,554
the flowers. 
And then some are more

502
00:22:35,654 --> 00:22:37,756
specific for producing 
fruit.

503
00:22:37,856 --> 00:22:39,558
It may be that you have 
one that's

504
00:22:39,658 --> 00:22:41,360
particular for its 
flowers. there's

505
00:22:41,460 --> 00:22:43,462
one across the 
street from me that is

506
00:22:43,562 --> 00:22:45,764
known for beauty that's one that 
was selected for

507
00:22:45,864 --> 00:22:47,866
beautiful flowers 
and not fruit.

508
00:22:47,966 --> 00:22:50,001
In my backyard I have one that 
makes fruit. When they

509
00:22:50,102 --> 00:22:51,536
get to a certain age 
though

510
00:22:51,636 --> 00:22:53,805
they do stop producing. So 
if you've got one that's

511
00:22:53,905 --> 00:22:57,109
forty years old 
don't expect much from it

512
00:22:57,209 --> 00:22:59,778
get a new one. 
And do some research and

513
00:22:59,878 --> 00:23:02,247
find out which ones 
are going to if you want

514
00:23:02,347 --> 00:23:03,415
the fruit are going to be good

515
00:23:03,515 --> 00:23:05,317
for fruit. I think that 
stand

516
00:23:05,417 --> 00:23:08,120
the citrus man propagates 
pomegranates per

517
00:23:08,220 --> 00:23:10,389
specifically for ones 
that make fruit.

518
00:23:10,489 --> 00:23:12,591
And 
stand, where is the stand

519
00:23:12,691 --> 00:23:14,459
Mackenzie 
down there and

520
00:23:14,559 --> 00:23:16,161
the place where you get a 
traffic ticket if you go

521
00:23:16,261 --> 00:23:21,333
too fast. (Laughter) 
Ok.

522
00:23:21,433 --> 00:23:23,502
All right 
we always enjoy our work

523
00:23:23,602 --> 00:23:25,537
with the South Carolina 
specialty foods

524
00:23:25,637 --> 00:23:27,939
association, which is one 
of the divisions of the

525
00:23:28,039 --> 00:23:30,108
South Carolina County State 
Department of Agriculture.

526
00:23:30,208 --> 00:23:32,377
And they bring in 
entrepreneurs

527
00:23:32,477 --> 00:23:35,013
who sometimes have family 
recipes that they've

528
00:23:35,113 --> 00:23:37,949
decided to perfect an 
offer to the public and

529
00:23:38,049 --> 00:23:39,684
then sometimes they have 
their own ideas that

530
00:23:39,785 --> 00:23:41,520
they've come up with. 
And we were

531
00:23:41,620 --> 00:23:43,789
really tickled last week 
because we had a visit

532
00:23:43,889 --> 00:23:49,961
from lilies of charleston.

533
00:23:50,061 --> 00:23:52,964
It's a special day for Making 
It Grow and Susie Ellison with

534
00:23:53,064 --> 00:23:56,168
the South Carolina Department 
of Agriculture's specialty food

535
00:23:56,268 --> 00:23:59,271
division comes down. Suzy we're 
so happy to have you and

536
00:23:59,371 --> 00:24:02,574
remind our viewers about what 
the Specialty Foods division is

537
00:24:02,674 --> 00:24:08,213
Well Specialty Foods is just a 
very wide array of specialty

538
00:24:08,313 --> 00:24:13,118
food products and they range all 
over the state, Upstate, PeeDee,

539
00:24:13,218 --> 00:24:19,357
Lowcountry, Midlands, all over. 
Hot sauces, barbeque sauces,

540
00:24:19,458 --> 00:24:25,530
rice, dumplings honey, teas, 
coffees, you name it and we have

541
00:24:25,630 --> 00:24:28,333
a ton of different products. We 
have creative people in South

542
00:24:28,433 --> 00:24:30,735
Carolina and I think you 
brought one with you today. I

543
00:24:30,836 --> 00:24:34,439
did. Tracey Richardson from 
Lilies in Charleston. Tracey,

544
00:24:34,539 --> 00:24:37,609
I'm so happy that you're with us 
and you have a lovely story

545
00:24:37,709 --> 00:24:41,213
about how the name of this 
product came about. Thank you

546
00:24:41,313 --> 00:24:47,118
for having me. The name Lilies 
is named after my father's aunt,

547
00:24:47,219 --> 00:24:50,489
my great aunt Lily and when we 
were, when my father was

548
00:24:50,589 --> 00:24:55,327
stationed in the service in New 
Jersey we would go visit my

549
00:24:55,427 --> 00:25:00,765
great-aunt Lily on Sundays to 
have our Southern Sunday dinners

550
00:25:00,866 --> 00:25:05,270
And so then your father came 
back to South Carolina and I

551
00:25:05,370 --> 00:25:09,474
think he was a restaurateur. 
Yes. He had a restaurant called

552
00:25:09,574 --> 00:25:13,879
The Rib Shack on King Street and 
growing up my sister and I work

553
00:25:13,979 --> 00:25:17,582
the restaurants in summer is 
when we were in college and

554
00:25:17,682 --> 00:25:19,584
people were always asking for 
the sauce.

555
00:25:19,684 --> 00:25:20,919
He'd go to the back

556
00:25:21,019 --> 00:25:23,889
and he'd get them samples of 
the sauce for them to take home

557
00:25:23,989 --> 00:25:26,992
and after the restaurant closed 
people were still asking for it.

558
00:25:27,092 --> 00:25:29,895
So my sister and I decided 
to start bottling it. And that's

559
00:25:29,995 --> 00:25:33,298
how we got Lily's of Charleston. 
And Suzy I think everything

560
00:25:33,398 --> 00:25:35,500
that she's brought today has 
some of the product in it. Why

561
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:36,902
don't you start with what's 
down there near you?

562
00:25:37,002 --> 00:25:40,805
A nice cool refreshing beverage 
right in the middle of the

563
00:25:40,906 --> 00:25:43,708
summer. You call this the 
Palmetto mule? Yes

564
00:25:43,808 --> 00:25:47,913
Okay your version of the Moscow 
Mule. Exactly.

565
00:25:48,013 --> 00:25:50,081
What goes in it? So we have 
ginger beer,

566
00:25:50,181 --> 00:25:53,184
sweet tea can't go do anything 
without sweet tea in the South.

567
00:25:53,285 --> 00:25:58,990
And we have vodka and lime 
juice and then we rend it

568
00:25:59,090 --> 00:26:02,594
with a specially-made salt that 
has our hot sauce in it. So it's

569
00:26:02,694 --> 00:26:06,565
got the hot sauce, sugar and 
salt mixture with a little bit

570
00:26:06,665 --> 00:26:11,369
of black pepper. Nice. Hopefully 
you can package that one day.

571
00:26:11,469 --> 00:26:13,972
I would love to. And I believe 
you have two hot sauces

572
00:26:14,072 --> 00:26:16,007
so tell us what 
the difference is please. Sure

573
00:26:16,107 --> 00:26:21,346
so the Lowcountry logo is a hot 
version. All of our sauces have

574
00:26:21,446 --> 00:26:24,849
a lot of flavor. So the heat 
sort of sneaks up on you. A lot

575
00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:28,353
of our customers call it 
sneaky eat and the special

576
00:26:28,453 --> 00:26:31,957
blend is a milder version. So if 
you want still the hot sauce

577
00:26:32,057 --> 00:26:35,660
flavor you can use it and it 
doesn't have a lot of heat

578
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,364
and our products all are low in 
sodium and Suzy we were

579
00:26:39,464 --> 00:26:43,134
talking about the hot sauces. 
They're not watery they're

580
00:26:43,234 --> 00:26:46,771
kind of a wonderful texture. 
It's more of a condiment.

581
00:26:46,871 --> 00:26:51,543
slash sauce. The Lowcountry Loco 
is my favorite. Because it's..

582
00:26:51,643 --> 00:26:54,346
Anyone that knows me 
knows that I drink the stuff

583
00:26:54,446 --> 00:26:56,314
literally. (laughing)

584
00:26:56,414 --> 00:27:00,285
And then I think we have a hors 
devourers? Yes so what we did

585
00:27:00,385 --> 00:27:02,754
was we made hummus and we

586
00:27:02,854 --> 00:27:06,324
swirled the hot sauce in with 
it and with a little olive oil

587
00:27:06,424 --> 00:27:10,128
and some black sesame seeds. Oh 
I was wondering what the

588
00:27:10,228 --> 00:27:14,366
what the decoration was. How 
perfect for South Carolina

589
00:27:14,466 --> 00:27:16,968
is that we need to say benne 
seeds... Yes exactly!

590
00:27:17,068 --> 00:27:21,406
(laughing) And then Suzy let's 
learn, see what we're going to

591
00:27:21,506 --> 00:27:25,043
get in this one. I don't know I 
was thinking maybe a dirty rice

592
00:27:25,143 --> 00:27:28,346
but it's It's a Gullah rice. 
Gullah rice. Gullah red rice

593
00:27:28,446 --> 00:27:32,384
actually. Gullah red rice So we 
put sausage and shrimp in our

594
00:27:32,484 --> 00:27:37,722
red rice with a mixture of like 
vegetables with have onions,

595
00:27:37,822 --> 00:27:43,161
celery, red bell peppers. You 
make the liquids first then you

596
00:27:43,261 --> 00:27:47,499
add the rice to it and the meat 
and then we cook it on the stove

597
00:27:47,599 --> 00:27:50,335
just till it boils. And then put 
it in the oven to sort of dry

598
00:27:50,435 --> 00:27:58,109
out. And again because your 
sauces are not just a liquid in

599
00:27:58,209 --> 00:28:01,913
front of heat that they're 
really as Suzy said more like a

600
00:28:02,013 --> 00:28:04,783
condiment you can use it in this 
way to really bind everything

601
00:28:04,883 --> 00:28:08,286
together. Right. Our hot sauce 
is so thick that a lot of people

602
00:28:08,386 --> 00:28:10,789
use it as an ingredient when 
they're cooking. You can use it

603
00:28:10,889 --> 00:28:14,192
for your greens. You can use it 
when you make chili. There's a

604
00:28:14,292 --> 00:28:17,295
lot of recipes on our website 
and which it shows you how you

605
00:28:17,395 --> 00:28:20,799
can use the hot sauce as an 
ingredient besides just the

606
00:28:20,899 --> 00:28:24,903
condiment like on your eggs. And 
although you didn't bring

607
00:28:25,003 --> 00:28:27,505
anything with the mustard on 
it today, Suzy see if you can

608
00:28:27,605 --> 00:28:30,108
get some ideas from her of how 
we can use these mustard sauces.

609
00:28:30,208 --> 00:28:34,779
Well they have their barbecue 
sauces. Their, that's probably

610
00:28:34,879 --> 00:28:39,484
not really a good term cause 
barbecue sauces have the cliche

611
00:28:39,584 --> 00:28:43,121
and these things are more like 
a condiment. Right.

612
00:28:43,221 --> 00:28:46,991
And plus you have some dry 
product that are fixing to be

613
00:28:47,092 --> 00:28:51,029
introduced very shortly. 
Don't you? Yes, sort of like our

614
00:28:51,129 --> 00:28:52,263
salt. We're going to be

615
00:28:52,363 --> 00:28:56,701
introducing some rubs and 
poultry brine. So we'll have a

616
00:28:56,801 --> 00:29:00,605
chicken poultry brine. We'll 
have a mild chicken rub and a

617
00:29:00,705 --> 00:29:04,242
hot chicken rub. And then we'll 
also have like this nice sweet

618
00:29:04,342 --> 00:29:08,146
pork rub. And Suzy if people 
want to see the listings of the

619
00:29:08,246 --> 00:29:11,149
South Carolina specialty food 
products and that wonderful

620
00:29:11,249 --> 00:29:14,819
array that just celebrates the 
creativity of our South

621
00:29:14,919 --> 00:29:17,055
Carolinians what how do they get 
to your website?

622
00:29:17,155 --> 00:29:21,559
The website is scsfa.org and or 
you can

623
00:29:21,659 --> 00:29:25,063
just google South Carolina 
Specialty Foods.

624
00:29:25,163 --> 00:29:28,466
It's easy to find. It pops right 
up. Well I want to thank you so

625
00:29:28,566 --> 00:29:31,369
much for coming and sharing 
your family's history and

626
00:29:31,469 --> 00:29:33,571
and all the wonderful things 
that y'all are cooking and

627
00:29:33,671 --> 00:29:36,574
Suzy, thank you for coming as 
always. It's always my pleasure.

628
00:29:41,312 --> 00:29:43,181
We really do appreciate 
the South Carolina Department of

629
00:29:43,281 --> 00:29:45,016
Agriculture and all the 
things they do to try to

630
00:29:45,116 --> 00:29:46,651
help 
people in South Carolina,

631
00:29:46,751 --> 00:29:48,720
not just the farmers but 
the people who are coming

632
00:29:48,820 --> 00:29:50,455
up with these wonderful 
new ideas.

633
00:29:50,555 --> 00:29:52,524
Be sure to support your 
local farmers and

634
00:29:52,624 --> 00:29:54,626
entrepreneurs in 
everyway you can.

635
00:29:54,726 --> 00:29:57,095
The ETV Endowment of South 
Carolina is the reason

636
00:29:57,195 --> 00:29:59,097
that Making It Grow and 
so many of the programs

637
00:29:59,197 --> 00:30:01,533
that I hope you enjoy 
on South Carolina

638
00:30:01,633 --> 00:30:03,902
Public Television and 
South Carolina Public

639
00:30:04,002 --> 00:30:06,504
Radio South Carolina 
public radio are

640
00:30:06,604 --> 00:30:08,473
available and as they say 
when you watch those

641
00:30:08,573 --> 00:30:10,842
fancy things like 
victoria

642
00:30:10,942 --> 00:30:12,911
through the contributions 
of viewers like you. I am

643
00:30:13,011 --> 00:30:14,946
going to do an event for 
the ETV Endowment down at

644
00:30:15,046 --> 00:30:17,182
Brook Green on August the 
fifteenth and talk about

645
00:30:17,282 --> 00:30:18,983
rice. 
The rice culture in South

646
00:30:19,083 --> 00:30:20,385
Carolina. 
And

647
00:30:20,485 --> 00:30:23,788
that all 
became possible

648
00:30:23,888 --> 00:30:25,757
and really 
became the driving

649
00:30:25,857 --> 00:30:28,359
economic force in South 
Carolina's growth and

650
00:30:28,459 --> 00:30:31,296
wealth 
when there was a

651
00:30:31,396 --> 00:30:33,965
conversion of knowledge 
that was brought by the

652
00:30:34,065 --> 00:30:36,067
enslaved 
people

653
00:30:36,167 --> 00:30:39,237
from the west coast of 
africa. Sierra Leone and

654
00:30:39,337 --> 00:30:42,207
surrounding countries. 
When they were brought to

655
00:30:42,307 --> 00:30:44,142
the low country of South 
Carolina

656
00:30:44,242 --> 00:30:46,544
and 
in the eighteen fifties

657
00:30:46,644 --> 00:30:48,112
or 
forties and fifties when

658
00:30:48,213 --> 00:30:51,649
they really started 
moving and clearing with

659
00:30:51,749 --> 00:30:53,418
incredible 
toil

660
00:30:53,518 --> 00:30:56,521
those coastal areas 
and creating the rice

661
00:30:56,621 --> 00:30:59,724
fields with dykes 
is when everything really

662
00:30:59,824 --> 00:31:01,426
took off. 
And

663
00:31:01,526 --> 00:31:04,062
in West Africa those 
people had been growing

664
00:31:04,162 --> 00:31:06,197
rice for for 
centuries and centuries

665
00:31:06,297 --> 00:31:08,933
and centuries 
using the Tidal rivers

666
00:31:09,033 --> 00:31:10,768
that were the same ones 
that you found from Cape

667
00:31:10,869 --> 00:31:12,604
Fear down into parts of 
Georgia.

668
00:31:12,704 --> 00:31:14,973
And they were using 
hollow logs to

669
00:31:15,073 --> 00:31:18,643
passively 
use the force of the water

670
00:31:18,743 --> 00:31:22,113
on high tides to 
water the rice fields.

671
00:31:22,213 --> 00:31:24,215
And the low country they 
ditched

672
00:31:24,315 --> 00:31:27,552
and had rice fields on 
either on and it's on the

673
00:31:27,652 --> 00:31:30,121
inside of the ditches the 
river on this side.

674
00:31:30,221 --> 00:31:32,190
And they develop these 
trunks.

675
00:31:32,290 --> 00:31:34,759
My brother made this 
wonderful model of a rice

676
00:31:34,859 --> 00:31:36,694
trunk for me. This would 
have been buried

677
00:31:36,794 --> 00:31:39,731
in the rice dyke 
this side when there was

678
00:31:39,831 --> 00:31:43,434
going to be a high tide 
the fresh water rose on

679
00:31:43,534 --> 00:31:46,504
top of the sea water 
and this

680
00:31:46,604 --> 00:31:48,740
gate could be lifted up so 
that the water could

681
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,909
enter. 
This pivoting gate

682
00:31:51,009 --> 00:31:54,279
then as the force of the 
water came in would be

683
00:31:54,379 --> 00:31:56,514
a swing wide open 
and the field would be

684
00:31:56,614 --> 00:31:58,349
flooded. 
As the water began to

685
00:31:58,449 --> 00:32:00,151
recede 
this gate would swing

686
00:32:00,251 --> 00:32:02,020
shut 
and the rice

687
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,589
the field would be 
covered with water.

688
00:32:04,689 --> 00:32:07,258
Which was necessary for 
parts of the growth.

689
00:32:07,358 --> 00:32:09,994
And then it could be 
managed the other way.

690
00:32:10,094 --> 00:32:12,330
My brother is going to 
explain this if you come

691
00:32:12,430 --> 00:32:14,065
down there he's much 
better at than I am and

692
00:32:14,165 --> 00:32:16,134
he made it for me. I'm 
very appreciative.

693
00:32:16,234 --> 00:32:17,902
But I'm going to bring 
my rice pot

694
00:32:18,002 --> 00:32:19,237
and I'm going to teach 
you

695
00:32:19,337 --> 00:32:21,639
a very wonderful way to 
make rice so that every

696
00:32:21,739 --> 00:32:24,042
grain will stand up by 
itself.

697
00:32:24,142 --> 00:32:25,944
so I hope that I get 
to see some of you

698
00:32:26,044 --> 00:32:28,246
at Brook Green garden onAaugust 
the fifteenth

699
00:32:28,346 --> 00:32:30,448
to support the ETV Endowment 
and the programs

700
00:32:30,548 --> 00:32:32,984
that you enjoy. 
Thank you so much.

701
00:32:33,084 --> 00:32:37,555
Now we going to go to Terasa. 
Well in trying to fix an

702
00:32:37,655 --> 00:32:40,591
issue there was no sound 
through our stream, which

703
00:32:40,692 --> 00:32:42,894
some of our facebook live 
viewers alerted us to when

704
00:32:42,994 --> 00:32:46,030
we tried to fix it, 
unfortunately I in

705
00:32:46,130 --> 00:32:48,599
trying to do that 
when we stopped the stream

706
00:32:48,700 --> 00:32:50,668
and now are unable to get 
it loaded. Isn't

707
00:32:50,768 --> 00:32:53,871
technology wonderful. 
In any case I spent

708
00:32:53,972 --> 00:32:57,408
sometime this weekend out 
in my yard observing

709
00:32:57,508 --> 00:33:00,445
and happen to find what I 
think is really neat. So

710
00:33:00,545 --> 00:33:03,081
this is a close up 
photograph

711
00:33:03,181 --> 00:33:05,016
of 
a cauliflower

712
00:33:05,116 --> 00:33:07,986
and you might not 
be able to make out what

713
00:33:08,086 --> 00:33:11,155
is on there but what you 
can probably notice is

714
00:33:11,255 --> 00:33:14,092
that there's been some 
chewing activity that has

715
00:33:14,192 --> 00:33:16,894
gone on this flower 
it looks

716
00:33:16,995 --> 00:33:19,263
like it's been munched on. 
And this is

717
00:33:19,364 --> 00:33:22,333
a caterpillar, 
a master of disguise

718
00:33:22,433 --> 00:33:25,336
caterpillar what it is 
doing is adorning itself

719
00:33:25,436 --> 00:33:27,839
with little plant parts. 
What better way to

720
00:33:27,939 --> 00:33:30,575
disguise yourself from 
the enemy, perhaps a bird

721
00:33:30,675 --> 00:33:32,477
that would want to come 
by and eat you,

722
00:33:32,577 --> 00:33:35,313
you just make yourself 
look like a flower and

723
00:33:35,413 --> 00:33:37,582
not a big 
juicy caterpillar that

724
00:33:37,682 --> 00:33:40,218
might be used to 
feed a baby songbirds

725
00:33:40,318 --> 00:33:43,187
brood. So 
I am certainly not an

726
00:33:43,287 --> 00:33:45,256
entomologist that would 
be

727
00:33:45,356 --> 00:33:47,725
Vicky in the insect world. 
She might be able to comment

728
00:33:47,825 --> 00:33:51,396
I think this is one of 
the ceclor species.

729
00:33:51,496 --> 00:33:54,298
Which are geometrics I 
believe so I don't want

730
00:33:54,399 --> 00:33:56,267
to put Vicky on the 
spot but maybe she could

731
00:33:56,367 --> 00:33:59,504
add a little bit 
about caterpillars that

732
00:33:59,604 --> 00:34:02,173
have interesting ways 
of disguising themselves.

733
00:34:02,273 --> 00:34:03,441
Vicky you know 
anything about these

734
00:34:03,541 --> 00:34:06,344
little guys. Yeah there is 
there is a good number of

735
00:34:06,444 --> 00:34:09,380
insects that are debris 
caring

736
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,084
and a lot of them use it 
for camouflage

737
00:34:13,184 --> 00:34:15,686
like what Teresa is saying. 
And then you've also got

738
00:34:15,787 --> 00:34:18,356
predators that are using 
it as camouflage to

739
00:34:18,456 --> 00:34:21,592
ambush 
and the lace wings are

740
00:34:21,692 --> 00:34:24,695
really good at that 
and you know they're out

741
00:34:24,796 --> 00:34:27,131
there chasing aphids down. 
But

742
00:34:27,231 --> 00:34:28,766
like I said there's a 
whole bunch of things

743
00:34:28,866 --> 00:34:30,435
that are debris caring 
and it's

744
00:34:30,535 --> 00:34:32,603
it's neat that they've 
it's not that they learned

745
00:34:32,703 --> 00:34:34,238
how to use the tool, there 
not they're not

746
00:34:34,338 --> 00:34:36,674
intelligent like that 
but it's neat that they

747
00:34:36,774 --> 00:34:40,244
developed this behavior 
for camouflage

748
00:34:40,344 --> 00:34:42,847
purposes. 
Well and as Teresa

749
00:34:42,947 --> 00:34:44,782
said to keep 
birds from coming and

750
00:34:44,882 --> 00:34:46,451
eating them 
at the end of the show. At

751
00:34:46,551 --> 00:34:53,157
the end of the show I am a 
debris carrier. I put plant

752
00:34:53,257 --> 00:34:55,960
debris on my head. So I hope 
that if a coyote comes after me

753
00:34:56,060 --> 00:35:00,865
and he will go and find 
his supper somewhere else.

754
00:35:00,965 --> 00:35:03,000
Gail is in Charleston. Gail were 
mighty happy to hear from you

755
00:35:03,101 --> 00:35:06,571
and how can we 
help you tonight.

756
00:35:06,671 --> 00:35:09,474
yeah 
I have a lot of dollar weed

757
00:35:09,574 --> 00:35:12,510
coming in 
my backyard I

758
00:35:12,610 --> 00:35:15,847
live on a marsh. I don't want to 
use chemicals

759
00:35:15,947 --> 00:35:19,250
and what if anything I 
can do about it.

760
00:35:19,350 --> 00:35:21,752
Oh goodness gracious Chase 
Dollar weed can certainly be a

761
00:35:21,853 --> 00:35:24,255
problem. 
They can be.

762
00:35:24,355 --> 00:35:25,523
And I think Vicky

763
00:35:25,623 --> 00:35:27,358
if I am correct it has a 
lot to do with the soil

764
00:35:27,458 --> 00:35:30,128
moisture. Yeah the 
University of Florida did

765
00:35:30,228 --> 00:35:33,097
some work on that and 
they showed that either

766
00:35:33,197 --> 00:35:36,267
cutting back on the 
irrigation

767
00:35:36,367 --> 00:35:39,170
or 
changing the way that the

768
00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:41,639
architecture in the yard 
so that it cuts down on

769
00:35:41,739 --> 00:35:45,576
the moisture in there 
drastically reduced

770
00:35:45,676 --> 00:35:47,778
how much dollar weed was 
present

771
00:35:47,879 --> 00:35:49,780
in landscape. Chase how many 
people do you

772
00:35:49,881 --> 00:35:51,983
think over irrigate their 
turf grass.

773
00:35:52,083 --> 00:35:54,919
I would say probably 
about

774
00:35:55,019 --> 00:35:56,554
being conservative 
probably ninty-five

775
00:35:56,654 --> 00:35:59,056
percent of people 
yeah. Yeah a last last

776
00:35:59,157 --> 00:36:01,192
week when it was raining 
so hard pouring down the

777
00:36:01,292 --> 00:36:03,661
way to the studio I 
counted seven yeah seven

778
00:36:03,761 --> 00:36:05,997
yards that irrigation 
going during the rain

779
00:36:06,097 --> 00:36:07,932
and 
I live probably about

780
00:36:08,032 --> 00:36:10,201
a mile and a half away 
from the studio. So

781
00:36:10,301 --> 00:36:13,137
it and it happens it's 
just our lives get busy and

782
00:36:13,237 --> 00:36:14,472
we just don't pay 
attention to be really

783
00:36:14,572 --> 00:36:16,908
got stay on top of it. Or 
it can cause more problems.

784
00:36:17,008 --> 00:36:20,478
Isn't there a leaf or Teresa

785
00:36:20,578 --> 00:36:23,181
can I interrupt you. You can. 
But whether or not I mean

786
00:36:23,281 --> 00:36:24,782
I can answer the question 
that's a whole nother

787
00:36:24,882 --> 00:36:26,984
story. 
Because water quality was

788
00:36:27,084 --> 00:36:28,686
something you were so 
involved with. An you used to

789
00:36:28,786 --> 00:36:31,055
tell us about these 
sensitive

790
00:36:31,155 --> 00:36:33,124
features you could add to 
your irrigation that

791
00:36:33,224 --> 00:36:35,293
would make it cut off I 
believe it was raining, is

792
00:36:35,393 --> 00:36:37,195
that correct. 
Yes so

793
00:36:37,295 --> 00:36:39,096
there are a number of 
different devices there

794
00:36:39,197 --> 00:36:42,466
are rain sensors that can 
usually be retrofitted to

795
00:36:42,567 --> 00:36:44,535
almost any existing 
system

796
00:36:44,635 --> 00:36:47,371
that will cut off at a 
pre programmed amount of

797
00:36:47,471 --> 00:36:49,040
rain. 
And then there are smart

798
00:36:49,140 --> 00:36:51,609
controllers that can work 
on a number of

799
00:36:51,709 --> 00:36:54,011
different 
characteristics or

800
00:36:54,111 --> 00:36:56,581
properties. There are some 
that are soil sensors,

801
00:36:56,681 --> 00:36:59,817
soil moisture based, 
some are weather based,

802
00:36:59,917 --> 00:37:02,086
some can be sort of crop 
based, so you can pre

803
00:37:02,186 --> 00:37:04,956
program for them for your 
water needs.

804
00:37:05,056 --> 00:37:07,491
But there yes there are 
lots of great ways

805
00:37:07,592 --> 00:37:10,361
because irrigation is not 
like set it and forget it

806
00:37:10,461 --> 00:37:12,129
right. 
We only need to

807
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:15,032
supplement when mother 
nature is providing and

808
00:37:15,132 --> 00:37:18,202
whenever we have 
extra irrigation not only

809
00:37:18,302 --> 00:37:20,271
can it be detrimental to 
our plants but it can

810
00:37:20,371 --> 00:37:22,873
carry potential 
pollutants into our local

811
00:37:22,974 --> 00:37:25,142
water way. So thanks for 
asking Amanda.

812
00:37:25,243 --> 00:37:26,944
Thank you for sharing 
that information.

813
00:37:27,044 --> 00:37:29,080
My friend Elizabeth Adams 
teachers in the women's

814
00:37:29,180 --> 00:37:30,915
studies department at Clemson 
and she came down

815
00:37:31,015 --> 00:37:33,284
to see us one time and she said 
I just went to the most

816
00:37:33,384 --> 00:37:35,419
fascinating place I've 
ever been in my life. And

817
00:37:35,519 --> 00:37:36,954
she said I just stumbled 
in it,

818
00:37:37,054 --> 00:37:38,656
while I was walking 
across the Clemson

819
00:37:38,756 --> 00:37:40,925
campus 
and it's the Bob and

820
00:37:41,025 --> 00:37:42,860
Betsy 
Campbell Natural History

821
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,896
Museum 
it is just about the most

822
00:37:45,997 --> 00:37:48,933
remarkable place 
i've ever been. I can't

823
00:37:49,033 --> 00:37:50,735
tell you how exciting it 
was

824
00:37:50,835 --> 00:37:52,703
and I'm gonna do we gonna 
give you a preview of it

825
00:37:52,803 --> 00:37:54,405
now. 
And I sure hope that you

826
00:37:54,505 --> 00:37:56,374
make an effort to find it 
the next time you're up

827
00:37:56,474 --> 00:38:04,181
there at Clemson.

828
00:38:04,282 --> 00:38:07,485
She is a pretty unusal looking 
person. She is a cool Chick.

829
00:38:07,585 --> 00:38:08,786
I'm with Melissa Fuentes who's 
the curator here.

830
00:38:08,886 --> 00:38:11,389
And tell us what 
this museum's all about. So this

831
00:38:11,489 --> 00:38:15,693
museum is geared towards what 
it looks like, a vertebrate

832
00:38:15,793 --> 00:38:18,996
collections. So we have many 
animals from around the world

833
00:38:19,096 --> 00:38:22,099
specifically to cater to 
students and researchers at

834
00:38:22,199 --> 00:38:25,002
want to come in and look at 
animals that they wouldn't be

835
00:38:25,102 --> 00:38:28,406
able to see in the wild 
otherwise. And fortunately since

836
00:38:28,506 --> 00:38:31,008
of course professors are always 
getting and collecting things,

837
00:38:31,108 --> 00:38:34,211
she had several professors who 
had amassed fairly large

838
00:38:34,312 --> 00:38:37,348
collections. I believe Doctor 
Wourms was a fish specialist.

839
00:38:37,448 --> 00:38:39,517
Oh yes! Yes! He 
specialized in the study of

840
00:38:39,617 --> 00:38:42,920
embryology in fish. So whenever 
he would study a certain

841
00:38:43,020 --> 00:38:46,324
species he would collect the 
animals that he studied and he

842
00:38:46,424 --> 00:38:48,192
would donate them to the 
universities. So we have about

843
00:38:48,292 --> 00:38:52,296
close to twenty thousand or more 
specimens he alone donated

844
00:38:52,396 --> 00:38:54,532
to the collection. And then 
there's someone who's still very

845
00:38:54,632 --> 00:38:58,803
active in collecting. That's 
right. Doctor Blob. He's also

846
00:38:58,903 --> 00:39:00,905
without him this Museum 
wouldn't be what it is today.

847
00:39:01,005 --> 00:39:04,575
He's helped us immensely in 
gathering and housing and

848
00:39:04,675 --> 00:39:07,578
storing most of the specimens 
that you will see. Another

849
00:39:07,678 --> 00:39:10,715
person important to the history 
of this museum was Stanlee. That

850
00:39:10,815 --> 00:39:13,784
was his first name. Miller who 
became the curator but he

851
00:39:13,884 --> 00:39:16,887
himself went out and 
collected all the time. Oh yes.

852
00:39:16,987 --> 00:39:20,758
Vast. He focused mostly on some 
songbirds and warblers but he

853
00:39:20,858 --> 00:39:22,960
would reach out to zoos and 
other universities and museums

854
00:39:23,060 --> 00:39:27,765
and they, we acquired so many 
specimens thanks to him. And the

855
00:39:27,865 --> 00:39:30,768
one that was just an amazing 
occurrence was when he talked

856
00:39:30,868 --> 00:39:33,337
to the York County museum. Yes 
the York County museum and us

857
00:39:33,437 --> 00:39:36,273
are in very good standing, 
really good relationship with

858
00:39:36,374 --> 00:39:39,777
them. They donated about ninety 
percent of the animals mounted

859
00:39:39,877 --> 00:39:43,180
or specimen wise that we have. 
So to give back we are now

860
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,884
donating animals that we've 
recently done native to

861
00:39:46,984 --> 00:39:50,721
the Piedmont in South Carolina 
area. Oh yes. That is their new

862
00:39:50,821 --> 00:39:53,891
focus. So we are giving back to 
them animals that they

863
00:39:53,991 --> 00:39:55,760
wouldn't 
be able to have otherwise. And

864
00:39:55,860 --> 00:39:59,163
you have many many of those 
animals that would be found in

865
00:39:59,263 --> 00:40:00,564
this area but the backbone of

866
00:40:00,664 --> 00:40:03,701
their collection came from the 
Mellon family of great wealth.

867
00:40:03,801 --> 00:40:08,072
And so this collection includes 
things from every continent,

868
00:40:08,172 --> 00:40:11,675
every square foot of the world. 
Exactly right! Yes and many of

869
00:40:11,776 --> 00:40:14,078
them are mounted which is good 
for the students and

870
00:40:14,178 --> 00:40:15,880
researchers that come in. So 
they can see what they look

871
00:40:15,980 --> 00:40:20,384
like alive instead of having 
them just in a flat skin. But

872
00:40:20,484 --> 00:40:22,987
there are different ways of 
preserving things. Let's talk

873
00:40:23,087 --> 00:40:26,857
about some of those ways. So 
there are study skins which are

874
00:40:26,957 --> 00:40:29,059
animals filled with cotton 
batting. Then there are

875
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,929
taxidermy mounts. So it's 
typically what you see

876
00:40:32,029 --> 00:40:34,098
your parents or your 
grandparents

877
00:40:34,198 --> 00:40:36,333
having hung on the 
wall. So a whitetail deer hung

878
00:40:36,434 --> 00:40:39,703
or any animal that's 
been stuffed with foam.

879
00:40:39,804 --> 00:40:43,908
And they'll have little glass 
eyes. Right. Really realistic.

880
00:40:44,008 --> 00:40:46,076
Absolutely right. And then we 
have simple

881
00:40:46,177 --> 00:40:50,080
skins just a flat hide that 
doesn't really have any

882
00:40:50,181 --> 00:40:52,783
physical characteristics but 
you can see what the animal is.

883
00:40:52,883 --> 00:40:56,020
The pattern what the hair 
texture was. Exactly right!

884
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,490
And then skeletons are also very 
important. Also. Yes. We have

885
00:40:59,590 --> 00:41:01,659
a colony of domestic beetles, 
which are flesh-eating beetles.

886
00:41:01,759 --> 00:41:05,930
So everything that we do we do 
in-house. We press. We preserve.

887
00:41:06,030 --> 00:41:10,534
We can serve. We restore. We 
beetle clean. And we repair.

888
00:41:10,634 --> 00:41:13,671
Mercy! And you yourself are a 
taxidermist. Yes.

889
00:41:13,771 --> 00:41:15,940
That's right I've been doing it 
for about nine years now.

890
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,442
And you explained to me 
that when we look at something

891
00:41:18,542 --> 00:41:22,746
I see the veins in the neck. 
You often get a mount that's

892
00:41:22,847 --> 00:41:26,350
just kind of the bare bones of 
what the animal was like and

893
00:41:26,450 --> 00:41:29,553
everything else has to be 
reproduced by you acting as

894
00:41:29,653 --> 00:41:32,556
a sculptor. And fortunately you 
had a background in art. I do.

895
00:41:32,656 --> 00:41:35,926
I have a background in art with 
a major in sculpting so every

896
00:41:36,026 --> 00:41:40,731
muscle, every vein, every little 
wrinkle and fold has to be put

897
00:41:40,831 --> 00:41:44,068
in by hand. And that's done 
right here. Yes that is. As one

898
00:41:44,168 --> 00:41:46,937
of the wonderful things is in 
your relationship with some of

899
00:41:47,037 --> 00:41:50,741
the other institutions with whom 
you have trading back and forth

900
00:41:50,841 --> 00:41:53,744
and reciprocity you can 
sometimes help them if they

901
00:41:53,844 --> 00:41:57,014
don't have that. Absolutely and 
most of the time we are grateful

902
00:41:57,114 --> 00:42:00,351
that we do have these facilities 
many other places don't.

903
00:42:00,451 --> 00:42:02,820
So we offer our hand and help.

904
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,723
They help us. We 
help them. They get to help

905
00:42:05,823 --> 00:42:07,992
their students and anyone else 
that benefits from

906
00:42:08,092 --> 00:42:10,995
having these kinds of animals 
there. We benefit because I now

907
00:42:11,095 --> 00:42:14,698
have volunteers that I'm 
training to become conservators

908
00:42:14,798 --> 00:42:20,738
and preparators. And could you 
use more volunteers? Absolutely!

909
00:42:20,838 --> 00:42:22,006
I think I'd like to talk a

910
00:42:22,106 --> 00:42:25,309
little bit about Mister 
Campbell because I think it's

911
00:42:25,409 --> 00:42:27,311
such an interesting story. He 
was a South Carolinian who

912
00:42:27,411 --> 00:42:30,714
graduated from Clemson went off 
to the war and then started a

913
00:42:30,814 --> 00:42:35,719
very important mining company 
and became a very wealthy. And

914
00:42:35,819 --> 00:42:40,591
he and his wife wanted to show 
their appreciation of Clemson.

915
00:42:40,691 --> 00:42:45,596
The geology museum is named for 
Mister Campbell. But this museum

916
00:42:45,696 --> 00:42:48,899
is named for both. And why is 
that? Misses Campbell

917
00:42:48,999 --> 00:42:51,902
was very adamant about 
women's rights, women's rights

918
00:42:52,002 --> 00:42:55,606
to attend universities, to have 
higher paying jobs, to be able

919
00:42:55,706 --> 00:42:58,809
to afford things that they 
couldn't otherwise. So when it

920
00:42:58,909 --> 00:43:01,912
came to naming this museum it's 
not the Bob Campbell museum it's

921
00:43:02,012 --> 00:43:04,882
the Bob and Betsy Campbell 
Museum of Natural History.

922
00:43:04,982 --> 00:43:08,452
Now you work with professors 
here on campus but you work with

923
00:43:08,552 --> 00:43:11,488
groups in other places too. 
Apparently we have a wonderful

924
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:15,859
ability to share and let people 
learn from these specimens in

925
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,362
other places. That's right. 
We not only deal with

926
00:43:18,462 --> 00:43:21,865
University students. We also 
deal with elementary kids, high

927
00:43:21,966 --> 00:43:25,569
school kids, any age group and 
even families that want to come

928
00:43:25,669 --> 00:43:27,438
in and have a private tour 
of the museum.

929
00:43:27,538 --> 00:43:30,474
So if we get called out 
on assignment we pack up as

930
00:43:30,574 --> 00:43:33,477
many specimens as we can 
focusing on what the students

931
00:43:33,577 --> 00:43:36,380
are focusing on. So if they're 
learning food webs we take

932
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,015
animals that are 
relative to that.

933
00:43:38,115 --> 00:43:42,186
And we take the museum to them. 
And in many cases you've got

934
00:43:42,286 --> 00:43:44,888
you have the animal that's been 
taxidermied. You may have the

935
00:43:44,989 --> 00:43:46,957
skin. 
You may have some of the bones

936
00:43:47,057 --> 00:43:49,360
from the animal. And in the 
case of birds you may have

937
00:43:49,460 --> 00:43:51,929
the eggs. Oh yes 
absolutely! We have

938
00:43:52,029 --> 00:43:54,765
several specimens that are here 
throughout the museum with

939
00:43:54,865 --> 00:43:57,368
eggs inside or eggs on the side 
of them so you can see

940
00:43:57,468 --> 00:44:00,270
the relationship between egg and 
how it fits inside the body

941
00:44:00,371 --> 00:44:03,374
of the bird. Well and how that 
kiwi gets that egg out is a

942
00:44:03,474 --> 00:44:06,577
great mystery to me. I'm so glad 
that I don't have to see it in

943
00:44:06,677 --> 00:44:10,347
action. Definitely. I just think 
we are so very fortunate

944
00:44:10,447 --> 00:44:14,051
and of course many of the things 
are not on display and

945
00:44:14,151 --> 00:44:15,953
many of the things need to be 
updated.

946
00:44:16,053 --> 00:44:19,256
And there's just a great task 
and I think we are

947
00:44:19,356 --> 00:44:22,226
so fortunate that you're here. 
And also within this facility

948
00:44:22,326 --> 00:44:25,229
you've got a wonderful companion 
Dixie Damrel who's in charge of

949
00:44:25,329 --> 00:44:27,698
the Herbarium. Yes. Exactly 
right. We are grateful

950
00:44:27,798 --> 00:44:29,433
to have her. The Herbarium is 
one of the

951
00:44:29,533 --> 00:44:32,336
largest in South Carolina. So 
it's a wonderful research tool

952
00:44:32,436 --> 00:44:37,141
actively used by anyone in the 
state or out-of-state that they

953
00:44:37,241 --> 00:44:39,743
can come and research plants and 
see where plants have been

954
00:44:39,843 --> 00:44:42,046
found and if any new species 
have been found as well. And

955
00:44:42,146 --> 00:44:44,848
this is well worth the drive. 
And y'all apparently are

956
00:44:44,948 --> 00:44:47,418
so accommodating and welcoming 
to people when they come.

957
00:44:47,518 --> 00:44:49,486
So if people want to come and 
visit with you

958
00:44:49,586 --> 00:44:51,088
what's the best way to get in 
touch with you?

959
00:44:51,188 --> 00:44:52,456
The best way 
would be through email.

960
00:44:52,556 --> 00:44:57,227
So it would be my email Fuente 
the number two at clemson.edu.

961
00:44:57,327 --> 00:45:01,131
And if not, look us up in our 
catalog. It would be under

962
00:45:01,231 --> 00:45:05,035
biological sciences. We're all 
there. Give us

963
00:45:05,135 --> 00:45:07,037
Give us your information and 
we'll book a tour.

964
00:45:07,137 --> 00:45:09,606
Well and the next time I get an 
animal that's very interesting

965
00:45:09,707 --> 00:45:10,607
I'm going to put it in the 
freezer

966
00:45:10,708 --> 00:45:12,076
and bring it right up to you. 
Please do.

967
00:45:12,176 --> 00:45:13,277
(laughs)

968
00:45:13,377 --> 00:45:15,913
You can't get enough. Can not. 
Thank you so much for an

969
00:45:16,013 --> 00:45:19,116
amazing visit. Thank you and 
come again please.

970
00:45:19,216 --> 00:45:20,451
(guitar strumming)

971
00:45:24,621 --> 00:45:26,957
All the fun people in the 
world put great color in

972
00:45:27,057 --> 00:45:30,327
their hair don't they Vicky. 
And I'll tell you

973
00:45:30,427 --> 00:45:33,063
she was certainly fun and 
just

974
00:45:33,163 --> 00:45:35,566
thrilling 
to talk to and so excited

975
00:45:35,666 --> 00:45:38,168
about what she was doing. 
Find that her

976
00:45:38,268 --> 00:45:40,137
bond that wonderful space 
on

977
00:45:40,237 --> 00:45:41,872
the 
Natural History Museum

978
00:45:41,972 --> 00:45:43,974
and go because you'll 
just have the best time.

979
00:45:44,074 --> 00:45:47,444
Really is a treasure on 
Clemson's campus.

980
00:45:47,544 --> 00:45:50,714
Well my hats kind of 
kind of bleak

981
00:45:50,814 --> 00:45:52,983
gathering 
not great a great one but

982
00:45:53,083 --> 00:45:54,852
anyway

983
00:45:54,952 --> 00:45:57,755
little green leaf 
and that's a native

984
00:45:57,855 --> 00:46:00,491
one of our 
holly's. And I just think it's

985
00:46:00,591 --> 00:46:02,559
beautiful and could be 
used a lot more

986
00:46:02,659 --> 00:46:04,862
in the landscape instead 
of some other things that

987
00:46:04,962 --> 00:46:07,531
have a lot of problems 
kind of like a substitute

988
00:46:07,631 --> 00:46:08,999
for boxwood I would 
think.

989
00:46:09,099 --> 00:46:11,769
And the male ones when 
they bloom I've seen him

990
00:46:11,869 --> 00:46:15,906
discolored of 
pollenators.

991
00:46:16,006 --> 00:46:17,007
Bees. 
You know because they

992
00:46:17,107 --> 00:46:18,876
want that pollen and so 
look

993
00:46:18,976 --> 00:46:21,178
for it. 
And there is improved ones

994
00:46:21,278 --> 00:46:22,913
out there now I think. 
And then

995
00:46:23,013 --> 00:46:25,816
there's this little 
beautiful green thing is

996
00:46:25,916 --> 00:46:27,684
a hydrangea paniculata

997
00:46:27,785 --> 00:46:30,921
this one is a little line. And 
this is dry and

998
00:46:31,021 --> 00:46:32,856
look at that beautiful 
color. Isn't that pretty.

999
00:46:32,956 --> 00:46:34,725
And then I had that spikelet 
that Dr. John

1000
00:46:34,825 --> 00:46:36,326
was showing from the goose grass

1001
00:46:36,426 --> 00:46:39,263
put that in my head 
being glad it wasn't

1002
00:46:39,363 --> 00:46:41,398
really a goose because 
goose

1003
00:46:41,498 --> 00:46:43,066
their

1004
00:46:43,167 --> 00:46:47,905
you don't want a goose in 
your head for many many reasons.

1005
00:46:48,005 --> 00:46:49,807
We have a goose problem

1006
00:46:49,907 --> 00:46:52,576
place ponds here near 
Sumter and they are not

1007
00:46:52,676 --> 00:46:54,778
fun they can be a problem. 
Greg is in Belmont, North

1008
00:46:54,878 --> 00:46:56,680
Carolina were so glad to hear 
from you Greg what's

1009
00:46:56,780 --> 00:46:58,982
happening up there in North 
Carolina.

1010
00:46:59,082 --> 00:47:02,486
Well it's hot here 
as anywhere and

1011
00:47:02,586 --> 00:47:05,255
just want to say thank 
you for taking my call I

1012
00:47:05,355 --> 00:47:07,925
really like your show and 
I know the title is

1013
00:47:08,025 --> 00:47:10,994
Making It Grow but 
I need to know how to

1014
00:47:11,094 --> 00:47:15,265
kill a crepe myrtle 
stump.

1015
00:47:15,365 --> 00:47:19,303
I have tried everything 
but dynamite. Really.

1016
00:47:19,403 --> 00:47:23,040
Ok. 
So it keeps re-sprouting.

1017
00:47:23,140 --> 00:47:25,576
Everywhere it keeps sprouting 
from the stump. I

1018
00:47:25,676 --> 00:47:28,679
have drilled holes in it 
and put round up in the holes

1019
00:47:28,779 --> 00:47:32,115
and kinda filled them up 
with wax.

1020
00:47:32,216 --> 00:47:34,284
Somebody said if I would 
take

1021
00:47:34,384 --> 00:47:36,954
copper nails and drive 
down in it that

1022
00:47:37,054 --> 00:47:41,024
would kill them. 
Don't make that

1023
00:47:41,124 --> 00:47:42,426
trip to the hardware 
store.

1024
00:47:42,526 --> 00:47:45,128
John explain where the 
vascular tissue

1025
00:47:45,229 --> 00:47:47,831
in a crepe myrtle or 
woody plants is.

1026
00:47:47,931 --> 00:47:51,501
Well in any 
dei carceri the

1027
00:47:51,602 --> 00:47:54,371
the 
cambium the

1028
00:47:54,471 --> 00:47:56,373
the 
merry stem that's

1029
00:47:56,473 --> 00:47:58,642
called a lateral merry 
stem is just under the

1030
00:47:58,742 --> 00:48:01,011
bark. 
The growing part. Right

1031
00:48:01,111 --> 00:48:04,181
that's what makes a tree 
able to get fatter.

1032
00:48:04,281 --> 00:48:05,682
Now 
and this is a reason if

1033
00:48:05,782 --> 00:48:08,151
you girdle a tree it'll 
generally kill it

1034
00:48:08,252 --> 00:48:10,621
because you're 
disrupting all of the

1035
00:48:10,721 --> 00:48:13,557
the vascular tissue. 
And so that's what the

1036
00:48:13,657 --> 00:48:15,626
tree is trying to grow 
back from

1037
00:48:15,726 --> 00:48:17,427
an especially if there 
are any

1038
00:48:17,527 --> 00:48:19,529
buds left. That 
the

1039
00:48:19,630 --> 00:48:23,233
vascular cambium can 
serve as a source of

1040
00:48:23,333 --> 00:48:25,869
new growth. 
And so he's trying to do

1041
00:48:25,969 --> 00:48:27,771
all this stuff to the 
interior

1042
00:48:27,871 --> 00:48:29,940
of the 
stump

1043
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,910
and so tell me tell him 
what he can do

1044
00:48:33,010 --> 00:48:35,479
now 
to successfully

1045
00:48:35,579 --> 00:48:37,147
stop this. 
So

1046
00:48:37,247 --> 00:48:40,350
I guess we'll talk about 
reverse propagation for a second

1047
00:48:40,450 --> 00:48:42,619
and 
what I found to be

1048
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,555
effective is to 
cut this cut the tree

1049
00:48:45,656 --> 00:48:47,524
down. 
You have the stump

1050
00:48:47,624 --> 00:48:49,593
and what you'll see is 
that regeneration a new

1051
00:48:49,693 --> 00:48:51,828
growth that starts to 
come back up

1052
00:48:51,929 --> 00:48:54,331
and once that starts to 
come back up that tissue is

1053
00:48:54,431 --> 00:48:56,333
much younger and you can 
treat it with chemicals

1054
00:48:56,433 --> 00:48:58,502
specially if you take 
like a paint brush with

1055
00:48:58,602 --> 00:49:01,471
life to say concentrate 
you can go right around

1056
00:49:01,571 --> 00:49:04,608
outside 
hit that vasular tissue.

1057
00:49:04,708 --> 00:49:06,944
You can paint the whole 
stump too if you want to,

1058
00:49:07,044 --> 00:49:08,245
but that's much more 
effective

1059
00:49:08,345 --> 00:49:10,314
and it's kind of like a 
game of attrition with

1060
00:49:10,414 --> 00:49:12,883
these crepe myrtles. You hear me 
harp on all

1061
00:49:12,983 --> 00:49:14,584
the time about pretty 
sure they can survive

1062
00:49:14,685 --> 00:49:17,020
nuclear blast, 
and they're tough plants.

1063
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:18,822
So it may take more than 
one treatment. Right you're

1064
00:49:18,922 --> 00:49:20,524
gonna have to knock it 
down until it runs at

1065
00:49:20,624 --> 00:49:23,360
energy and can't re grow 
that.

1066
00:49:23,460 --> 00:49:25,562
And I have a lot of 
trouble with some

1067
00:49:25,662 --> 00:49:28,598
berries and 
on cherry in my yard

1068
00:49:28,699 --> 00:49:29,666
and I just go out there 
and

1069
00:49:29,766 --> 00:49:32,169
I cut him and then as 
soon as I do

1070
00:49:32,269 --> 00:49:34,738
before has time to kind 
of heal over

1071
00:49:34,838 --> 00:49:37,274
I'll paint with that full 
strength. What is it forty

1072
00:49:37,374 --> 00:49:40,010
four percent or something. Forty 
one.

1073
00:49:40,110 --> 00:49:41,211
Percent 
and

1074
00:49:41,311 --> 00:49:43,580
and with a cheap little paint 
brush we hope

1075
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,515
that will certainly 
be more effective in

1076
00:49:45,615 --> 00:49:47,250
doing stuff to the 
interior

1077
00:49:47,351 --> 00:49:49,086
because as John explain 
to you

1078
00:49:49,186 --> 00:49:51,722
the actively growing 
areas right there towards

1079
00:49:51,822 --> 00:49:55,425
the outside. 
Teresa thank you so

1080
00:49:55,525 --> 00:49:57,861
much for all you do for us 
and we really are

1081
00:49:57,961 --> 00:49:59,296
just 
thnking that the

1082
00:49:59,396 --> 00:50:02,065
plants of the week are so 
much fun

1083
00:50:02,165 --> 00:50:04,468
and can people see those 
if they got a facebook

1084
00:50:04,568 --> 00:50:07,304
page. 
They absolutely can so

1085
00:50:07,404 --> 00:50:09,840
they're probably a bit 
buried now because we

1086
00:50:09,940 --> 00:50:11,775
started just making a 
call once a month so

1087
00:50:11,875 --> 00:50:13,677
you'd have to scroll down 
the page

1088
00:50:13,777 --> 00:50:16,079
and some people also 
posted photos over in the

1089
00:50:16,179 --> 00:50:18,248
section called post by 
others

1090
00:50:18,348 --> 00:50:20,884
but just browse through 
there. You'll find lots of

1091
00:50:20,984 --> 00:50:23,053
good 
information hopefully and

1092
00:50:23,153 --> 00:50:25,655
maybe some questions will 
be answered that you had.

1093
00:50:25,756 --> 00:50:27,891
Now earlier I showed a 
picture of that

1094
00:50:27,991 --> 00:50:30,093
caterpillar disguising 
itself so I thought we

1095
00:50:30,193 --> 00:50:32,462
keep with the 
lepidoptera theme

1096
00:50:32,562 --> 00:50:34,965
someone sent in a 
photograph of a butterfly

1097
00:50:35,065 --> 00:50:37,234
on the fig tree and 
wanted to know if this

1098
00:50:37,334 --> 00:50:41,338
was a concern. 
And this is a I believe a

1099
00:50:41,438 --> 00:50:45,042
red admiral butterfly 
and what is really crazy

1100
00:50:45,142 --> 00:50:47,677
about them is you 
probably think about

1101
00:50:47,778 --> 00:50:49,746
them feeding on the 
nectar from flowers.

1102
00:50:49,846 --> 00:50:53,050
However that is not their 
preferred food source.

1103
00:50:53,150 --> 00:50:56,787
They actually would 
prefer sap flows in trees,

1104
00:50:56,887 --> 00:50:58,989
bird droppings and 
fermented

1105
00:50:59,089 --> 00:51:01,124
fruit. So they're only 
going to visit flowers

1106
00:51:01,224 --> 00:51:03,527
when those other things 
are not available but

1107
00:51:03,627 --> 00:51:05,595
the fig tree is not the 
host plant.

1108
00:51:05,695 --> 00:51:07,764
Host plants are things in 
efficacy

1109
00:51:07,864 --> 00:51:10,033
Family so things like 
false metal

1110
00:51:10,133 --> 00:51:14,571
and wood metal so 
go out and take time when

1111
00:51:14,671 --> 00:51:17,140
you're maybe when you're 
getting to work in the

1112
00:51:17,240 --> 00:51:19,943
morning or even in your 
own yard or visit a park

1113
00:51:20,043 --> 00:51:22,112
on the weekend and just 
stop and take a look at

1114
00:51:22,212 --> 00:51:24,214
the world around you. 
There is so much to

1115
00:51:24,314 --> 00:51:27,184
marvel at if we just take 
the time.

1116
00:51:27,284 --> 00:51:29,853
Amanda back to you. 
Thank you Chase I think

1117
00:51:29,953 --> 00:51:31,621
you've got another one of 
the treasures you going to be

1118
00:51:31,721 --> 00:51:34,157
putting in at Swan lake. I do we 
have fifty

1119
00:51:34,257 --> 00:51:36,426
two new species that have never 
been in Swan Lake

1120
00:51:36,526 --> 00:51:38,728
before. If 
your a plant person, you

1121
00:51:38,829 --> 00:51:40,430
love it 
like I do

1122
00:51:40,530 --> 00:51:42,732
come on out once we get this 
thing completed and

1123
00:51:42,833 --> 00:51:44,468
I'm sure you're 
really enjoy it.

1124
00:51:44,568 --> 00:51:47,370
So yeah here we have a 
sarcina flava

1125
00:51:47,471 --> 00:51:49,673
as I like to call it as Dr. John 
says you call it flavor

1126
00:51:49,773 --> 00:51:52,375
as well. 
It rolls off the tongue

1127
00:51:52,476 --> 00:51:55,545
every easy.

1128
00:51:55,645 --> 00:51:57,981
And it's just really cool.

1129
00:51:58,081 --> 00:51:59,883
This a pitcher plant 
yellow pitcher plant,

1130
00:51:59,983 --> 00:52:01,384
correct. 
And

1131
00:52:01,485 --> 00:52:04,187
it's a great plant you 
can cooperate into areas

1132
00:52:04,287 --> 00:52:06,123
of your yard 
presence. I built a

1133
00:52:06,223 --> 00:52:09,493
ball garden in our old house 
and it just adds up to

1134
00:52:09,593 --> 00:52:11,995
this specialty area 
that's really neat to

1135
00:52:12,095 --> 00:52:13,897
give you something to 
talk about.

1136
00:52:13,997 --> 00:52:15,899
They're kind of strict 
about the soil

1137
00:52:15,999 --> 00:52:17,634
requirements you don't 
want to any type of

1138
00:52:17,734 --> 00:52:20,504
fertilizer to them. 
Of course the little

1139
00:52:20,604 --> 00:52:23,006
insects that fall down 
into the tubes

1140
00:52:23,106 --> 00:52:25,308
these used for nutrients there 
digested

1141
00:52:25,408 --> 00:52:27,144
and 
they may even have some

1142
00:52:27,244 --> 00:52:28,778
pretty neat little 
flowers on there. John

1143
00:52:28,879 --> 00:52:30,947
talk about this flower 
a little bit explain it

1144
00:52:31,047 --> 00:52:33,016
to us. Chase I am glad you 
pointed

1145
00:52:33,116 --> 00:52:35,886
that out. That 
a lot of times I'm

1146
00:52:35,986 --> 00:52:38,155
leaving the field trip 
and we'll see this thing

1147
00:52:38,255 --> 00:52:40,490
and 
people will look at this

1148
00:52:40,590 --> 00:52:43,860
tubular leaf and say oh 
what a pretty flower.

1149
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:45,629
Of course it's not the 
flower.

1150
00:52:45,729 --> 00:52:48,832
The flowers come up 
generally in nature

1151
00:52:48,932 --> 00:52:51,201
long time before the 
leaves do.

1152
00:52:51,301 --> 00:52:53,670
So here's the flowering 
of course it has

1153
00:52:53,770 --> 00:52:56,006
your standard flower 
parts the petals have

1154
00:52:56,106 --> 00:52:58,675
fallen off. 
And so have the stamens.

1155
00:52:58,775 --> 00:53:01,344
So this is an older flower.

1156
00:53:01,444 --> 00:53:06,016
And this really weird 
looking

1157
00:53:06,116 --> 00:53:09,753
cup that looks like a 
what you call it like an

1158
00:53:09,853 --> 00:53:12,556
umbrella 
is that actually the

1159
00:53:12,656 --> 00:53:15,358
female part of the flower, the 
stigma.

1160
00:53:15,458 --> 00:53:18,828
So it gets pollinated on 
this lower side of it.

1161
00:53:18,929 --> 00:53:21,298
So where 
the pollen.

1162
00:53:21,398 --> 00:53:23,833
This 
were inside here.

1163
00:53:23,934 --> 00:53:27,270
Ok. They've all fallen out. 
So what kind of insects

1164
00:53:27,370 --> 00:53:30,373
go in there to do the 
pollination.

1165
00:53:30,473 --> 00:53:33,276
You want to give it. Go for it. 
With this one

1166
00:53:33,376 --> 00:53:35,412
from what I've read you 
know a lot of times I

1167
00:53:35,512 --> 00:53:37,080
guess 
folks in the past

1168
00:53:37,180 --> 00:53:40,250
strictly associate it with 
bees and flies and

1169
00:53:40,350 --> 00:53:42,719
those types inscets but 
really with this one I

1170
00:53:42,819 --> 00:53:45,455
believe It's 
bees in particular. Excuse me

1171
00:53:45,555 --> 00:53:47,524
bees before beatles and

1172
00:53:47,624 --> 00:53:49,025
flies. 
Ok.

1173
00:53:49,125 --> 00:53:51,761
Kind of has a little bit of a 
pungent odor to alot of the

1174
00:53:51,861 --> 00:53:54,097
flowers too. 
But with this one I

1175
00:53:54,197 --> 00:53:55,498
believe 
bees

1176
00:53:55,599 --> 00:53:57,400
and 
bees and even tree frogs

1177
00:53:57,500 --> 00:54:01,638
will get into them 
sometimes. Tree Frogs!!

1178
00:54:01,738 --> 00:54:05,075
Place to hide. 
There is even a fly

1179
00:54:05,175 --> 00:54:07,310
called sarcina fly 
that you know

1180
00:54:07,410 --> 00:54:10,247
strictly associated with 
this.

1181
00:54:10,347 --> 00:54:12,549
This little 
upside down umbrella will

1182
00:54:12,649 --> 00:54:15,318
catch that pollen as it comes 
down and as those

1183
00:54:15,418 --> 00:54:19,222
pollinators wingle into it they 
take it out with them.

1184
00:54:19,322 --> 00:54:20,957
It's 
really neat. That's

1185
00:54:21,057 --> 00:54:22,325
more fun than the 
play station's at

1186
00:54:22,425 --> 00:54:26,062
mcdonald's. That's right. 
And john just we have

1187
00:54:26,162 --> 00:54:28,465
thirty four seconds I 
will let you pick. I wanna

1188
00:54:28,565 --> 00:54:31,401
show a hedge nettle and alot of

1189
00:54:31,501 --> 00:54:33,470
people want to complain 
about

1190
00:54:33,570 --> 00:54:36,906
Florida batoni. 
This is a native

1191
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cousin 
this one is called thin

1192
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leafed hedgenettle and I have it 
growing

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like crazy in my 
backyard.

1194
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Very pretty stuff. 
This is a cousin

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of the despised Florida Batoni.

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Tenuifolia. Tenuifolia

1197
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An with that tenuous goodbye we 
will say we'll see you right

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here next week on 
Making it Grow.

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♪

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This family farm offers 
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over 22 varieties 
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00:56:06,229 --> 00:56:09,833
Mccall farms helping south 
carolina grow with brands

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such as peanut patch, 
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1212
00:56:12,869 --> 00:56:15,505
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00:56:15,605 --> 00:56:18,942
Super sod a family-owned 
sod farm supplying the

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south with turf-grass, sod 
and seed including tif-tuf

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drought tolerant 
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00:56:34,657 --> 00:56:37,227
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paper and the south carolina 
farm bureau

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federation and farm 
bureau insurance.