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good evening. Good evening.
Thank you so much for
joining us for making it grow.
Coming to you from
downtown sumtersouth
carolina. My name's amanda
mcnulty I'm an
extension agent over here. Get
to come on tuesdays.
To be people who knows
a lot and try to answer
your questions. I'm so glad
to have such a wonderful
crew as always. Tonight
I'm happy to welcome john
nelson.
The curator of the
ac moore herbarium. At the
university of south carolina.
How is the botaniizing? Going?
Every day of the week
in some form or another.
Got to go out last week.
To look for a rare plant
and various carolina vase.
Orange burg county. Ok.
And
you are I today,
we came early. Thank you,
and we did podcast.
We've got a good many
podcast now.
If any of y'all are interested
in podcast. They are called
making it grow extra and
you go to s. C.
You go to south carolina public
radio, and they have
podcasts there, and you
can find the making it grow
1's,
and today we talked about
something that is very
interesting to chase
smoak.
Because he
really enjoys obtaining, and we
talked about
carolina vase. It's
2 fascinating subjects
and Dr. John and i
talked a little bit earlier
and there. They're kind of
an enigma about how these
things occurred and
he had to do some really
cool research back in the
day going out and doing
it the other survey on
these. Correct?
Back in the 8ies when
I was with steve bennett
at the south carolina
wildlife department.
It was fantastic.
It sounds fantastic.
Which is now dr and i
think you've got 1 we may tromp
around soon which is
fantastic. They say this could
be fun. Yeah I hope so.
Chase is the horticulture
agent here in sumter,
and we're so happy to
have you here.
Vicky bertagnolli is a
horticulturist
and though she is a
entomologist
and but she's learned a
lot of course. Ok
and aiken what's going
on your way. Today we
had 4 h.
Natural resources camp
and so we went over to
you silver bluff audubon
and I have a classroom
there and joy cox. The
4 h. Agent in aiken
county.
We had we were showing
the kids
different wildlife that
happens to be in our
backyards,
and sean poppy from
savannah river ecology
lab came over and
brought a variety of
critters that
we got to see owls and we
got the
titles and alligators and
it was wonderful.
They sure had a
wonderful time.
It was awesome. Yeah
and I'm the audubon
society is very active in
south carolina. We thank
them for what they're
doing here.
Ok.
Terasa lott is in charge
of the master gardener
programs. The
administration of it and
she's got 10 so it's easy
to report your time,
and she still has time.
Thank goodness she makes
time,
for us here
because she does all
about social media. Terasa lott
what you got
for us tonight?
Well
it is now easier than
ever to interact with
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watch when you don't have
access to cable or if you
happen to be traveling and
or out of state and that
is because we are getting
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Although I understand we
may have a small issue
with sound from streaming
this evening. So
I do invite you to join.
It's a great way and
you can comment on there
you don't have to log in.
So there's no extra
requirements for that
and it's really cool
there are some little
I think they're called
emoticons.
Or little icons in if
you put those, if you
click the little thumbs
up button now see little
thumbs up flowed across
the screen which always
makes me happy so great
when asking questions
if you don't want to
perhaps call in or if you
want to talk with other
people who are viewing.
Recently we added a new
feature. The question of
the week and this is
in10ded to provide the
panel with a way to give
a more in depth the
detailed response to a
question
that might not be
available to a
particular caller. So
let's jump into that.
Since dr john is here I
thought we would have a
plant i.d. Questions of
this is from
anne willy in
summerville.
She said she's been
trying for weeks to catch
the live program so she
can ask the question that
seems she was never
available
during that time frame.
She's hopeful we can help
her to identify this
grassy weed that has
taken over her saint
augustine lawn.
She said she's tried 2
different chemicals
atrazine and tryclopere
. But with no success.
She initially thought it
might be a type of crab
grass but it doesn't have
the finger like
appearance.
It forms an upright
bunches of individual
shoots. But the seeds do
look a lot like out of
crabgrass. She reports.
She would like our
assistance and thanks us
so I'm going to turn it
over to the talented
panel of experts and see
if they have an id
and possibly some control
recommendations for this
grassy weed.
Well vicky think you got to
take a pass on this. I'm an
entomologist. I seen
no insects on there so.
Chase you like to i.d.
Things I think he kind of
had an idea of what this
1 was. I do and I try to
learn as much as I can when dr
john is around and we're out
in the field looking at these
plants. He is a
really good teacher.
I thank you better all
like Dr. John said we're
told that earlier it
looks like a witch grass,
but
they can be really hard
to get down to the
species sometimes.
And john we
did so what's the genus is for
the witch grass?
Which grass is a really
interesting group and
they are complicated
and
they are actually
closely related to the
panic grasses. Yes
and there used to be
considered as part of the
the genus panicum.
About now they're
they're considered their
own genus the dichanthium
of the world
and
I just have to say to
anybody he wants to get a
grass i.d.ed properly. Yes.
Really
needs to get it to a
botanist.
With a specimen because
it's so hard
to identify the grass
even if it has spikelets
on it. It's gonna have a
spiklets. What is the
spikelets?
So here's,
now i'll hold it real still.
Thank you.
And
this is a
blooming we decided
that this is a
goose grass
and you say it's got all
the vegetative parts down
here
and now it is the middle
of the summer late summer
it's decided to bloom.
So these are the
spikelets now the
spikelets are not
always look the same
from grass to grass.
But in order to really
get a good identification
you really need to have
these things the best
thing to do is
get it to your local
herbarium. All right and
your local
botanist. Ok. And let
them do the
work. Ok.
And then adam gore, since
this is the kind of
complicated thing adam
gore is
1 of our excision
agents.. He is based in
abbeville and he's been
on the show and he's
getting his phd in turf
and
since grasses
particularly I think
we've
got 10 grassy weeds are
weeds in general. Can be a
problem and
in turf grass
week asked adam if you
would help us out with
this. Are you there adam?
I'm not hearing you i
hope, talk a little bit
more.
Well I can hear y'all
certainly.
But
the issue that we're
having is that this is
saint augustine grass but
we're trying to
keep
while trying to save or
yeah we'll try to get rid
of this which grass
so the issue with that is
that saint augustine is
very temperamental about
the herbicides that you
use on it.
There aren't really
anything
there's not really much
available
in terms of selective
grass control.
A homeowner can spray on
saint augustine.
Can I ask you something
adam?
Yes ma'am.
So just because your
neighbor
used to certain
herbicides own
bermuda grass that
doesn't mean that you can
use that on
saint augustine. You have
to read the label is that
correct?
Yes ma'am I don't know
how many times I have to
say read the label.
Because just because you
see your neighbors spray on
bermuda. If you go in
spray that
same thing on your st
augustine.
You're gonna be calling
your extension agents
saying why is all my
grass dead?
So we really her only
option is you can try it
right now is a product
called celsius.
But that comes with some
hazards.
We're here in the middle
of the summer
and celsius cannot be
sprayed when it is about
eighty 5 degrees.
So she really going to
have to either spray in
the early morning or in
the evening.
The other issue is that
by this point that grass
is mature so
so
herbicides don't
aren't as effective on
older more mature plants.
So control is
gonna be spotty.
So what she really has to
do is look at
late february early march
if this is indeed an
annual.
She really needs to put
out a pre emergent
herbicide.
Ok,
and if it
is a perennial and if we
can get more of this
grass sent to dr.
Nelson he can
get it down to the
species and find out
if it were a perennial
then he would have to
make a
post emergent labeled for
saint augustine well that
read was very small for a
real control
yes ma'am
this
type of grass we really
want to hit it when it's
young
is more susceptible to
our herbicides.
Otherwise it's awful
you're looking at a
complete renovation of
the area. Well I know
nobody wants to do that.
We appreciate your going
down to the office
and I'm a seeing a
wonderful duck head behind
you. Yes ma'am. Poster on the
wall.
Thank you so much for all
your help and we look
forward to having you
right here in the studio
again soon.
Y'all have a good
evening thanks a lot.
Terasa I think you've
got something else for us.
Well I was just kind of
wrapped up in my own
little world over here.
Someone was asking about
control of an aquatic
plant. Which can be
equally complicated or
just as important to get
a proper i. D. On the plant
and
because. You know we want
to make sure that
whatever you're going to
use is going to actually
address that particular
plant. Then in
water. It
maybe it might be even a
little more complicated
because we need to make
sure that it is safe for
aquatic use. An then if there
are fish
involved, that we're not
going to inadvertently
harm any other aquatic
life.
I think it's time for our
gardens of the week. Which
is also relatively new
feature where we get to
take a virtual field trip
around the state and see
what all of you are doing
in your yards big and
small. So
let's get started first
up we have Steve Edwards
in fort mill, South
Carolina and I think this
must be the ultimate
container garden. I
imagine he's spending
quite a lot of time out
there watering those pots
with our summer
temperatures but they all
look like they're doing
very well.
Next we have Cynthia Sinclair in
Due West, South
Carolina I just like
the angle at which this
photo was taken and I
believe it's a trellist
or staked
tomatoes that are growing
in there. What a neat
architectural shot.
Next we have Pamela
Rivers who has
tiny pineapples
what a cute picture I
must say i've never tried
to
to grow a pineapple but
looks like pamela is
having some success.
Our 4th stop is James
Kenneth Faircloth who
has an assortment of
raised beds. I especially
like that he's got the
areas in between
with a mulch layer of
straw it looks like
that's going to keep down
weeds.
And I must say that i
wish that is what my
garden look like it does
not look nearly as lush
as that.
We're going to wrap up
this week's gardens of
the week with I think
it's Makaylynn and Callie
in Campobello, South
Carolina.
What better thing to do
in the summer than take a
romp around the corn
field with your best
K9 pal. Thanks to everyone who
shared their photographs
I enjoy them each week
tomorrow i'll be putting
out a call on our
facebook page.
If you'd like to submit
something please do
include your city or town
and remember that
vertical, I'm sorry
horizontal or landscape
pictures work much better
on tv
then your
portrait or vertical
photos. So I look forward
to seeing what you send
in. Amanda back to you.
Thank you all so much and
Terasa's desk got a paint
job
my husband
Edward came over and
painted it for her
last week and
I hope she's gonna like
it. Nancy's
in Mount Pleasant
Nancy we're happy to hear
from you and how can we
help you tonight.
Thank you so much for
taking my call.
We have a crepe myrtle
that is at least twenty
years old and it
thirty feet tall forty
feet tall
and what the problem is
that this disease looking
area at the bottom and i
had a tree person
come out and look at the
tree. And he said
there's nothing I can do
that it has the disease
called canker
and that eventually we
will lose the tree and
all we can do now is to
water it
and
fertilize it. And
I wondered if you had any
more
information about a
disease called canker.
Well let's see if Chase
who's of
knows a lot about crepe myrtles.
Cankers can be caused by
quite a few different
problems.
The most common one I
see in the landscaper
industry is caused by the weed
eaters or other people
messing around by the base
of the tree.
And that may be what
happened to this tree. It
definitely can in fact I
looked at two different
trees that folks know
today that have been
injured down towards the
bottom of the tree
and you know sometimes.=
the tree will heal back if
it's a small nick but if
he gets a pretty good
chances of it coming back
are kind of slim sometimes
but
what gets it most the
time as a secondary
problem that comes in
afterwards.
And kind of takes the tree
out.
If you're going to have
someone come in and
examine it
is there a specific
certification that
you should try to make
certain that your
arborist has.
Certainly and there's an
ISA certification that
arborist can get.
And it kind of gives them
a little bit more
you know professional, something
that gives us a
little bit more courage
and hiring these guys
bring this has hey they
know what they're talking
about they've proven it with
the certificates. And I
think it's pretty easy to
find that if you go, how do you
find that Vicky.
You can use your search
engine and look for
the international society
of Arbor culture.
Or their web site is
ISA/arbor
and you can find it. And I
believe if you do that
then you can find ones in
your state. And then yes
there's a feature so
it used to be a behind
another page and now you
just scroll down on the
page and you can search
in your area.
International society of
arborist.
Very important to find
someone who
knows what he says
because as john said eariler
sometimes if we take a
plant
like a weed to
a store.
They may try to tell us
what it is but if they
tell us the wrong thing. then
your stuck.
Yeah. If you believe them.
And I'm not
discounting the person
who went to see this
person but I think the
more
professionalism
you can bring to solving
a problem
the better
the result.
Well we have so many
trained professionals out
there why not take
advantage of them.
They're working food for
us. That's right. Ok.
Public servants.
The main thing is a
good picture though.
Is that right.
Or the real thing. Ok
very very good.
All righty.
I think we got some show and
tell, so who wants to
bring up there's.
Well we could probably do
two
about the same time. Sure.
So
very special guest
tonight. I hope that little
fellow is moving
around like he's nervous about
being on TV.
It's his first time. So this is
a
Torreya Taxifolia.
Torreya Taxifolia. Torreya
Taxifolia
Florida Torreya or stinking
cedar or some folks might call
it. Which is kind of funny
name because it really
does not smell all that bad,
but the these guys are
actually federally
endangered plants
and they occur in three
counties along the
apalachicola river
in the northern part of
Florida. And I believe
have been seen where they
span about a mile into Georgia.
Wow. Yep but there is
there is a twig and
leaf blight that has
gotten into these plants
and it really wipes them
out before they reach
maturity enough to you
know reproduce.
And they have had problems with
that and deforestation.
Even the
feral pigs get in there
route the trees up.
They believe they're only
probably about eight hundred or
less left.
And it was actually
one of the very first
plants to end up on the
endangered species list.
When they invented the
that list for
demarcating a rare
species that were in trouble.
So I brought along just
for show and tell
an actual specimen of
the same plant.
And this was this 1 was
actually taken from
a Gadsden County Florida
back in the early
eighties. One of the sites
where it grows. Right.
And
probably not a good idea
to keep making specimens
of it.
But I think you're
going to use this one in
a very exciting way do
you have a big
project going on with
your friend. Yeah we do
we have
on the north side of Swan
Lake in Sumter
we talked about a bit
last week a little bit
more natural over there.
And what we do is create
this functional native
plant habitat so
schools can use as a
resource and come in and
teach kids, and adults too
about these plants they
normally would get to see.
And that's being funded
by a grant through
Keep America Beautiful,
which is
you know put on by Palmetto
Pride
our state litter agency. So
we're so happy to
work with them
and
the way were using it as
a kind of cutting down on some
litter problems and there's
kind of
a grown up a little bit
and makes more sense when
puts his teaching
component in there and.
That is very exciting. I think
one of the
things you're doing is
you're only going to
partner to
put in something to
capture some of the
litter,
which comes down from
Shot Patch Creek.
Right. When you do that I think
you go let us come out
and film that we're
really excited to show
what happens when
state agencies
work together to try to
solve some of these big
problems. Yes ma'am. Thank
you so much.
Ok
Thomas in Mount Pleasant
too just like Nancy was and
Tom
if you got a crepe myrtle
problem or is it
something else.
Hello Tom.
Yes.
Hello
you have a question for
us.
Yeah i've got a
pomegranate bush I
planted about three years
ago. It's about six foot tall
now
and towards the end of
spring
it seemed like it had a
little flower on it and
then a little small pomegranate
about the size of a pea and then
a couple days later it
all off.
I don't know if that's normal or
it's
just one pomegranate plant
do I need to have two.
You don't need to have two
but
some pomegranates set
fruit easily and some
don't I believe. And there
some
you know I don't know
which type he has but
their some
cold hearty
cultivator varieties that
come at a rush I believe.
I know when I was in
afghanistan I used to love
when I was
patrolling through the streets
then have some pomegranates and
eat off of them
but
yeah.
John on
it
has a how large an
area do pomegranates grow in
naturally
over and over in that
part of the world.
We're
basically asking the
wrong person about that
but I can tell you they
are
very interesting plants a
gorgeous flower
and that thing that you
see that's actually
surrounding the seeds.
Yes.
That's not really the
fruit, that's actually
the hypanthium.
I know this sounds like
double talk. One thing that.
What is a hypanthium? It is
just the floral tube. Really
That surrounds the flower.
Yeah
well.
And so the one that I've
got in my backyard
has been there for about
twelve years now and my
neighbor across the
street gave it to me.
And for the longest time
it never put us
it would occasionally
make flowers
now it's making fruits
regularly. So I just
wonder that maybe the
they're developing fruits
might be sort of an age
effect. They've got to be a
certain age before they
can start
making fruits. Well when
ever I went to Taiwan I some
them they were in pots and
they were small and were
lladen with fruit.
Some pomegranates from what i've
read
make beautiful flowers
and I'm growing well for
the flowers.
And then some are more
specific for producing
fruit.
It may be that you have
one that's
particular for its
flowers. there's
one across the
street from me that is
known for beauty that's one that
was selected for
beautiful flowers
and not fruit.
In my backyard I have one that
makes fruit. When they
get to a certain age
though
they do stop producing. So
if you've got one that's
forty years old
don't expect much from it
get a new one.
And do some research and
find out which ones
are going to if you want
the fruit are going to be good
for fruit. I think that
stand
the citrus man propagates
pomegranates per
specifically for ones
that make fruit.
And
stand, where is the stand
Mackenzie
down there and
the place where you get a
traffic ticket if you go
too fast. (Laughter)
Ok.
All right
we always enjoy our work
with the South Carolina
specialty foods
association, which is one
of the divisions of the
South Carolina County State
Department of Agriculture.
And they bring in
entrepreneurs
who sometimes have family
recipes that they've
decided to perfect an
offer to the public and
then sometimes they have
their own ideas that
they've come up with.
And we were
really tickled last week
because we had a visit
from lilies of charleston.
It's a special day for Making
It Grow and Susie Ellison with
the South Carolina Department
of Agriculture's specialty food
division comes down. Suzy we're
so happy to have you and
remind our viewers about what
the Specialty Foods division is
Well Specialty Foods is just a
very wide array of specialty
food products and they range all
over the state, Upstate, PeeDee,
Lowcountry, Midlands, all over.
Hot sauces, barbeque sauces,
rice, dumplings honey, teas,
coffees, you name it and we have
a ton of different products. We
have creative people in South
Carolina and I think you
brought one with you today. I
did. Tracey Richardson from
Lilies in Charleston. Tracey,
I'm so happy that you're with us
and you have a lovely story
about how the name of this
product came about. Thank you
for having me. The name Lilies
is named after my father's aunt,
my great aunt Lily and when we
were, when my father was
stationed in the service in New
Jersey we would go visit my
great-aunt Lily on Sundays to
have our Southern Sunday dinners
And so then your father came
back to South Carolina and I
think he was a restaurateur.
Yes. He had a restaurant called
The Rib Shack on King Street and
growing up my sister and I work
the restaurants in summer is
when we were in college and
people were always asking for
the sauce.
He'd go to the back
and he'd get them samples of
the sauce for them to take home
and after the restaurant closed
people were still asking for it.
So my sister and I decided
to start bottling it. And that's
how we got Lily's of Charleston.
And Suzy I think everything
that she's brought today has
some of the product in it. Why
don't you start with what's
down there near you?
A nice cool refreshing beverage
right in the middle of the
summer. You call this the
Palmetto mule? Yes
Okay your version of the Moscow
Mule. Exactly.
What goes in it? So we have
ginger beer,
sweet tea can't go do anything
without sweet tea in the South.
And we have vodka and lime
juice and then we rend it
with a specially-made salt that
has our hot sauce in it. So it's
got the hot sauce, sugar and
salt mixture with a little bit
of black pepper. Nice. Hopefully
you can package that one day.
I would love to. And I believe
you have two hot sauces
so tell us what
the difference is please. Sure
so the Lowcountry logo is a hot
version. All of our sauces have
a lot of flavor. So the heat
sort of sneaks up on you. A lot
of our customers call it
sneaky eat and the special
blend is a milder version. So if
you want still the hot sauce
flavor you can use it and it
doesn't have a lot of heat
and our products all are low in
sodium and Suzy we were
talking about the hot sauces.
They're not watery they're
kind of a wonderful texture.
It's more of a condiment.
slash sauce. The Lowcountry Loco
is my favorite. Because it's..
Anyone that knows me
knows that I drink the stuff
literally. (laughing)
And then I think we have a hors
devourers? Yes so what we did
was we made hummus and we
swirled the hot sauce in with
it and with a little olive oil
and some black sesame seeds. Oh
I was wondering what the
what the decoration was. How
perfect for South Carolina
is that we need to say benne
seeds... Yes exactly!
(laughing) And then Suzy let's
learn, see what we're going to
get in this one. I don't know I
was thinking maybe a dirty rice
but it's It's a Gullah rice.
Gullah rice. Gullah red rice
actually. Gullah red rice So we
put sausage and shrimp in our
red rice with a mixture of like
vegetables with have onions,
celery, red bell peppers. You
make the liquids first then you
add the rice to it and the meat
and then we cook it on the stove
just till it boils. And then put
it in the oven to sort of dry
out. And again because your
sauces are not just a liquid in
front of heat that they're
really as Suzy said more like a
condiment you can use it in this
way to really bind everything
together. Right. Our hot sauce
is so thick that a lot of people
use it as an ingredient when
they're cooking. You can use it
for your greens. You can use it
when you make chili. There's a
lot of recipes on our website
and which it shows you how you
can use the hot sauce as an
ingredient besides just the
condiment like on your eggs. And
although you didn't bring
anything with the mustard on
it today, Suzy see if you can
get some ideas from her of how
we can use these mustard sauces.
Well they have their barbecue
sauces. Their, that's probably
not really a good term cause
barbecue sauces have the cliche
and these things are more like
a condiment. Right.
And plus you have some dry
product that are fixing to be
introduced very shortly.
Don't you? Yes, sort of like our
salt. We're going to be
introducing some rubs and
poultry brine. So we'll have a
chicken poultry brine. We'll
have a mild chicken rub and a
hot chicken rub. And then we'll
also have like this nice sweet
pork rub. And Suzy if people
want to see the listings of the
South Carolina specialty food
products and that wonderful
array that just celebrates the
creativity of our South
Carolinians what how do they get
to your website?
The website is scsfa.org and or
you can
just google South Carolina
Specialty Foods.
It's easy to find. It pops right
up. Well I want to thank you so
much for coming and sharing
your family's history and
and all the wonderful things
that y'all are cooking and
Suzy, thank you for coming as
always. It's always my pleasure.
We really do appreciate
the South Carolina Department of
Agriculture and all the
things they do to try to
help
people in South Carolina,
not just the farmers but
the people who are coming
up with these wonderful
new ideas.
Be sure to support your
local farmers and
entrepreneurs in
everyway you can.
The ETV Endowment of South
Carolina is the reason
that Making It Grow and
so many of the programs
that I hope you enjoy
on South Carolina
Public Television and
South Carolina Public
Radio South Carolina
public radio are
available and as they say
when you watch those
fancy things like
victoria
through the contributions
of viewers like you. I am
going to do an event for
the ETV Endowment down at
Brook Green on August the
fifteenth and talk about
rice.
The rice culture in South
Carolina.
And
that all
became possible
and really
became the driving
economic force in South
Carolina's growth and
wealth
when there was a
conversion of knowledge
that was brought by the
enslaved
people
from the west coast of
africa. Sierra Leone and
surrounding countries.
When they were brought to
the low country of South
Carolina
and
in the eighteen fifties
or
forties and fifties when
they really started
moving and clearing with
incredible
toil
those coastal areas
and creating the rice
fields with dykes
is when everything really
took off.
And
in West Africa those
people had been growing
rice for for
centuries and centuries
and centuries
using the Tidal rivers
that were the same ones
that you found from Cape
Fear down into parts of
Georgia.
And they were using
hollow logs to
passively
use the force of the water
on high tides to
water the rice fields.
And the low country they
ditched
and had rice fields on
either on and it's on the
inside of the ditches the
river on this side.
And they develop these
trunks.
My brother made this
wonderful model of a rice
trunk for me. This would
have been buried
in the rice dyke
this side when there was
going to be a high tide
the fresh water rose on
top of the sea water
and this
gate could be lifted up so
that the water could
enter.
This pivoting gate
then as the force of the
water came in would be
a swing wide open
and the field would be
flooded.
As the water began to
recede
this gate would swing
shut
and the rice
the field would be
covered with water.
Which was necessary for
parts of the growth.
And then it could be
managed the other way.
My brother is going to
explain this if you come
down there he's much
better at than I am and
he made it for me. I'm
very appreciative.
But I'm going to bring
my rice pot
and I'm going to teach
you
a very wonderful way to
make rice so that every
grain will stand up by
itself.
so I hope that I get
to see some of you
at Brook Green garden onAaugust
the fifteenth
to support the ETV Endowment
and the programs
that you enjoy.
Thank you so much.
Now we going to go to Terasa.
Well in trying to fix an
issue there was no sound
through our stream, which
some of our facebook live
viewers alerted us to when
we tried to fix it,
unfortunately I in
trying to do that
when we stopped the stream
and now are unable to get
it loaded. Isn't
technology wonderful.
In any case I spent
sometime this weekend out
in my yard observing
and happen to find what I
think is really neat. So
this is a close up
photograph
of
a cauliflower
and you might not
be able to make out what
is on there but what you
can probably notice is
that there's been some
chewing activity that has
gone on this flower
it looks
like it's been munched on.
And this is
a caterpillar,
a master of disguise
caterpillar what it is
doing is adorning itself
with little plant parts.
What better way to
disguise yourself from
the enemy, perhaps a bird
that would want to come
by and eat you,
you just make yourself
look like a flower and
not a big
juicy caterpillar that
might be used to
feed a baby songbirds
brood. So
I am certainly not an
entomologist that would
be
Vicky in the insect world.
She might be able to comment
I think this is one of
the ceclor species.
Which are geometrics I
believe so I don't want
to put Vicky on the
spot but maybe she could
add a little bit
about caterpillars that
have interesting ways
of disguising themselves.
Vicky you know
anything about these
little guys. Yeah there is
there is a good number of
insects that are debris
caring
and a lot of them use it
for camouflage
like what Teresa is saying.
And then you've also got
predators that are using
it as camouflage to
ambush
and the lace wings are
really good at that
and you know they're out
there chasing aphids down.
But
like I said there's a
whole bunch of things
that are debris caring
and it's
it's neat that they've
it's not that they learned
how to use the tool, there
not they're not
intelligent like that
but it's neat that they
developed this behavior
for camouflage
purposes.
Well and as Teresa
said to keep
birds from coming and
eating them
at the end of the show. At
the end of the show I am a
debris carrier. I put plant
debris on my head. So I hope
that if a coyote comes after me
and he will go and find
his supper somewhere else.
Gail is in Charleston. Gail were
mighty happy to hear from you
and how can we
help you tonight.
yeah
I have a lot of dollar weed
coming in
my backyard I
live on a marsh. I don't want to
use chemicals
and what if anything I
can do about it.
Oh goodness gracious Chase
Dollar weed can certainly be a
problem.
They can be.
And I think Vicky
if I am correct it has a
lot to do with the soil
moisture. Yeah the
University of Florida did
some work on that and
they showed that either
cutting back on the
irrigation
or
changing the way that the
architecture in the yard
so that it cuts down on
the moisture in there
drastically reduced
how much dollar weed was
present
in landscape. Chase how many
people do you
think over irrigate their
turf grass.
I would say probably
about
being conservative
probably ninty-five
percent of people
yeah. Yeah a last last
week when it was raining
so hard pouring down the
way to the studio I
counted seven yeah seven
yards that irrigation
going during the rain
and
I live probably about
a mile and a half away
from the studio. So
it and it happens it's
just our lives get busy and
we just don't pay
attention to be really
got stay on top of it. Or
it can cause more problems.
Isn't there a leaf or Teresa
can I interrupt you. You can.
But whether or not I mean
I can answer the question
that's a whole nother
story.
Because water quality was
something you were so
involved with. An you used to
tell us about these
sensitive
features you could add to
your irrigation that
would make it cut off I
believe it was raining, is
that correct.
Yes so
there are a number of
different devices there
are rain sensors that can
usually be retrofitted to
almost any existing
system
that will cut off at a
pre programmed amount of
rain.
And then there are smart
controllers that can work
on a number of
different
characteristics or
properties. There are some
that are soil sensors,
soil moisture based,
some are weather based,
some can be sort of crop
based, so you can pre
program for them for your
water needs.
But there yes there are
lots of great ways
because irrigation is not
like set it and forget it
right.
We only need to
supplement when mother
nature is providing and
whenever we have
extra irrigation not only
can it be detrimental to
our plants but it can
carry potential
pollutants into our local
water way. So thanks for
asking Amanda.
Thank you for sharing
that information.
My friend Elizabeth Adams
teachers in the women's
studies department at Clemson
and she came down
to see us one time and she said
I just went to the most
fascinating place I've
ever been in my life. And
she said I just stumbled
in it,
while I was walking
across the Clemson
campus
and it's the Bob and
Betsy
Campbell Natural History
Museum
it is just about the most
remarkable place
i've ever been. I can't
tell you how exciting it
was
and I'm gonna do we gonna
give you a preview of it
now.
And I sure hope that you
make an effort to find it
the next time you're up
there at Clemson.
She is a pretty unusal looking
person. She is a cool Chick.
I'm with Melissa Fuentes who's
the curator here.
And tell us what
this museum's all about. So this
museum is geared towards what
it looks like, a vertebrate
collections. So we have many
animals from around the world
specifically to cater to
students and researchers at
want to come in and look at
animals that they wouldn't be
able to see in the wild
otherwise. And fortunately since
of course professors are always
getting and collecting things,
she had several professors who
had amassed fairly large
collections. I believe Doctor
Wourms was a fish specialist.
Oh yes! Yes! He
specialized in the study of
embryology in fish. So whenever
he would study a certain
species he would collect the
animals that he studied and he
would donate them to the
universities. So we have about
close to twenty thousand or more
specimens he alone donated
to the collection. And then
there's someone who's still very
active in collecting. That's
right. Doctor Blob. He's also
without him this Museum
wouldn't be what it is today.
He's helped us immensely in
gathering and housing and
storing most of the specimens
that you will see. Another
person important to the history
of this museum was Stanlee. That
was his first name. Miller who
became the curator but he
himself went out and
collected all the time. Oh yes.
Vast. He focused mostly on some
songbirds and warblers but he
would reach out to zoos and
other universities and museums
and they, we acquired so many
specimens thanks to him. And the
one that was just an amazing
occurrence was when he talked
to the York County museum. Yes
the York County museum and us
are in very good standing,
really good relationship with
them. They donated about ninety
percent of the animals mounted
or specimen wise that we have.
So to give back we are now
donating animals that we've
recently done native to
the Piedmont in South Carolina
area. Oh yes. That is their new
focus. So we are giving back to
them animals that they
wouldn't
be able to have otherwise. And
you have many many of those
animals that would be found in
this area but the backbone of
their collection came from the
Mellon family of great wealth.
And so this collection includes
things from every continent,
every square foot of the world.
Exactly right! Yes and many of
them are mounted which is good
for the students and
researchers that come in. So
they can see what they look
like alive instead of having
them just in a flat skin. But
there are different ways of
preserving things. Let's talk
about some of those ways. So
there are study skins which are
animals filled with cotton
batting. Then there are
taxidermy mounts. So it's
typically what you see
your parents or your
grandparents
having hung on the
wall. So a whitetail deer hung
or any animal that's
been stuffed with foam.
And they'll have little glass
eyes. Right. Really realistic.
Absolutely right. And then we
have simple
skins just a flat hide that
doesn't really have any
physical characteristics but
you can see what the animal is.
The pattern what the hair
texture was. Exactly right!
And then skeletons are also very
important. Also. Yes. We have
a colony of domestic beetles,
which are flesh-eating beetles.
So everything that we do we do
in-house. We press. We preserve.
We can serve. We restore. We
beetle clean. And we repair.
Mercy! And you yourself are a
taxidermist. Yes.
That's right I've been doing it
for about nine years now.
And you explained to me
that when we look at something
I see the veins in the neck.
You often get a mount that's
just kind of the bare bones of
what the animal was like and
everything else has to be
reproduced by you acting as
a sculptor. And fortunately you
had a background in art. I do.
I have a background in art with
a major in sculpting so every
muscle, every vein, every little
wrinkle and fold has to be put
in by hand. And that's done
right here. Yes that is. As one
of the wonderful things is in
your relationship with some of
the other institutions with whom
you have trading back and forth
and reciprocity you can
sometimes help them if they
don't have that. Absolutely and
most of the time we are grateful
that we do have these facilities
many other places don't.
So we offer our hand and help.
They help us. We
help them. They get to help
their students and anyone else
that benefits from
having these kinds of animals
there. We benefit because I now
have volunteers that I'm
training to become conservators
and preparators. And could you
use more volunteers? Absolutely!
I think I'd like to talk a
little bit about Mister
Campbell because I think it's
such an interesting story. He
was a South Carolinian who
graduated from Clemson went off
to the war and then started a
very important mining company
and became a very wealthy. And
he and his wife wanted to show
their appreciation of Clemson.
The geology museum is named for
Mister Campbell. But this museum
is named for both. And why is
that? Misses Campbell
was very adamant about
women's rights, women's rights
to attend universities, to have
higher paying jobs, to be able
to afford things that they
couldn't otherwise. So when it
came to naming this museum it's
not the Bob Campbell museum it's
the Bob and Betsy Campbell
Museum of Natural History.
Now you work with professors
here on campus but you work with
groups in other places too.
Apparently we have a wonderful
ability to share and let people
learn from these specimens in
other places. That's right.
We not only deal with
University students. We also
deal with elementary kids, high
school kids, any age group and
even families that want to come
in and have a private tour
of the museum.
So if we get called out
on assignment we pack up as
many specimens as we can
focusing on what the students
are focusing on. So if they're
learning food webs we take
animals that are
relative to that.
And we take the museum to them.
And in many cases you've got
you have the animal that's been
taxidermied. You may have the
skin.
You may have some of the bones
from the animal. And in the
case of birds you may have
the eggs. Oh yes
absolutely! We have
several specimens that are here
throughout the museum with
eggs inside or eggs on the side
of them so you can see
the relationship between egg and
how it fits inside the body
of the bird. Well and how that
kiwi gets that egg out is a
great mystery to me. I'm so glad
that I don't have to see it in
action. Definitely. I just think
we are so very fortunate
and of course many of the things
are not on display and
many of the things need to be
updated.
And there's just a great task
and I think we are
so fortunate that you're here.
And also within this facility
you've got a wonderful companion
Dixie Damrel who's in charge of
the Herbarium. Yes. Exactly
right. We are grateful
to have her. The Herbarium is
one of the
largest in South Carolina. So
it's a wonderful research tool
actively used by anyone in the
state or out-of-state that they
can come and research plants and
see where plants have been
found and if any new species
have been found as well. And
this is well worth the drive.
And y'all apparently are
so accommodating and welcoming
to people when they come.
So if people want to come and
visit with you
what's the best way to get in
touch with you?
The best way
would be through email.
So it would be my email Fuente
the number two at clemson.edu.
And if not, look us up in our
catalog. It would be under
biological sciences. We're all
there. Give us
Give us your information and
we'll book a tour.
Well and the next time I get an
animal that's very interesting
I'm going to put it in the
freezer
and bring it right up to you.
Please do.
(laughs)
You can't get enough. Can not.
Thank you so much for an
amazing visit. Thank you and
come again please.
(guitar strumming)
All the fun people in the
world put great color in
their hair don't they Vicky.
And I'll tell you
she was certainly fun and
just
thrilling
to talk to and so excited
about what she was doing.
Find that her
bond that wonderful space
on
the
Natural History Museum
and go because you'll
just have the best time.
Really is a treasure on
Clemson's campus.
Well my hats kind of
kind of bleak
gathering
not great a great one but
anyway
little green leaf
and that's a native
one of our
holly's. And I just think it's
beautiful and could be
used a lot more
in the landscape instead
of some other things that
have a lot of problems
kind of like a substitute
for boxwood I would
think.
And the male ones when
they bloom I've seen him
discolored of
pollenators.
Bees.
You know because they
want that pollen and so
look
for it.
And there is improved ones
out there now I think.
And then
there's this little
beautiful green thing is
a hydrangea paniculata
this one is a little line. And
this is dry and
look at that beautiful
color. Isn't that pretty.
And then I had that spikelet
that Dr. John
was showing from the goose grass
put that in my head
being glad it wasn't
really a goose because
goose
their
you don't want a goose in
your head for many many reasons.
We have a goose problem
place ponds here near
Sumter and they are not
fun they can be a problem.
Greg is in Belmont, North
Carolina were so glad to hear
from you Greg what's
happening up there in North
Carolina.
Well it's hot here
as anywhere and
just want to say thank
you for taking my call I
really like your show and
I know the title is
Making It Grow but
I need to know how to
kill a crepe myrtle
stump.
I have tried everything
but dynamite. Really.
Ok.
So it keeps re-sprouting.
Everywhere it keeps sprouting
from the stump. I
have drilled holes in it
and put round up in the holes
and kinda filled them up
with wax.
Somebody said if I would
take
copper nails and drive
down in it that
would kill them.
Don't make that
trip to the hardware
store.
John explain where the
vascular tissue
in a crepe myrtle or
woody plants is.
Well in any
dei carceri the
the
cambium the
the
merry stem that's
called a lateral merry
stem is just under the
bark.
The growing part. Right
that's what makes a tree
able to get fatter.
Now
and this is a reason if
you girdle a tree it'll
generally kill it
because you're
disrupting all of the
the vascular tissue.
And so that's what the
tree is trying to grow
back from
an especially if there
are any
buds left. That
the
vascular cambium can
serve as a source of
new growth.
And so he's trying to do
all this stuff to the
interior
of the
stump
and so tell me tell him
what he can do
now
to successfully
stop this.
So
I guess we'll talk about
reverse propagation for a second
and
what I found to be
effective is to
cut this cut the tree
down.
You have the stump
and what you'll see is
that regeneration a new
growth that starts to
come back up
and once that starts to
come back up that tissue is
much younger and you can
treat it with chemicals
specially if you take
like a paint brush with
life to say concentrate
you can go right around
outside
hit that vasular tissue.
You can paint the whole
stump too if you want to,
but that's much more
effective
and it's kind of like a
game of attrition with
these crepe myrtles. You hear me
harp on all
the time about pretty
sure they can survive
nuclear blast,
and they're tough plants.
So it may take more than
one treatment. Right you're
gonna have to knock it
down until it runs at
energy and can't re grow
that.
And I have a lot of
trouble with some
berries and
on cherry in my yard
and I just go out there
and
I cut him and then as
soon as I do
before has time to kind
of heal over
I'll paint with that full
strength. What is it forty
four percent or something. Forty
one.
Percent
and
and with a cheap little paint
brush we hope
that will certainly
be more effective in
doing stuff to the
interior
because as John explain
to you
the actively growing
areas right there towards
the outside.
Teresa thank you so
much for all you do for us
and we really are
just
thnking that the
plants of the week are so
much fun
and can people see those
if they got a facebook
page.
They absolutely can so
they're probably a bit
buried now because we
started just making a
call once a month so
you'd have to scroll down
the page
and some people also
posted photos over in the
section called post by
others
but just browse through
there. You'll find lots of
good
information hopefully and
maybe some questions will
be answered that you had.
Now earlier I showed a
picture of that
caterpillar disguising
itself so I thought we
keep with the
lepidoptera theme
someone sent in a
photograph of a butterfly
on the fig tree and
wanted to know if this
was a concern.
And this is a I believe a
red admiral butterfly
and what is really crazy
about them is you
probably think about
them feeding on the
nectar from flowers.
However that is not their
preferred food source.
They actually would
prefer sap flows in trees,
bird droppings and
fermented
fruit. So they're only
going to visit flowers
when those other things
are not available but
the fig tree is not the
host plant.
Host plants are things in
efficacy
Family so things like
false metal
and wood metal so
go out and take time when
you're maybe when you're
getting to work in the
morning or even in your
own yard or visit a park
on the weekend and just
stop and take a look at
the world around you.
There is so much to
marvel at if we just take
the time.
Amanda back to you.
Thank you Chase I think
you've got another one of
the treasures you going to be
putting in at Swan lake. I do we
have fifty
two new species that have never
been in Swan Lake
before. If
your a plant person, you
love it
like I do
come on out once we get this
thing completed and
I'm sure you're
really enjoy it.
So yeah here we have a
sarcina flava
as I like to call it as Dr. John
says you call it flavor
as well.
It rolls off the tongue
every easy.
And it's just really cool.
This a pitcher plant
yellow pitcher plant,
correct.
And
it's a great plant you
can cooperate into areas
of your yard
presence. I built a
ball garden in our old house
and it just adds up to
this specialty area
that's really neat to
give you something to
talk about.
They're kind of strict
about the soil
requirements you don't
want to any type of
fertilizer to them.
Of course the little
insects that fall down
into the tubes
these used for nutrients there
digested
and
they may even have some
pretty neat little
flowers on there. John
talk about this flower
a little bit explain it
to us. Chase I am glad you
pointed
that out. That
a lot of times I'm
leaving the field trip
and we'll see this thing
and
people will look at this
tubular leaf and say oh
what a pretty flower.
Of course it's not the
flower.
The flowers come up
generally in nature
long time before the
leaves do.
So here's the flowering
of course it has
your standard flower
parts the petals have
fallen off.
And so have the stamens.
So this is an older flower.
And this really weird
looking
cup that looks like a
what you call it like an
umbrella
is that actually the
female part of the flower, the
stigma.
So it gets pollinated on
this lower side of it.
So where
the pollen.
This
were inside here.
Ok. They've all fallen out.
So what kind of insects
go in there to do the
pollination.
You want to give it. Go for it.
With this one
from what I've read you
know a lot of times I
guess
folks in the past
strictly associate it with
bees and flies and
those types inscets but
really with this one I
believe It's
bees in particular. Excuse me
bees before beatles and
flies.
Ok.
Kind of has a little bit of a
pungent odor to alot of the
flowers too.
But with this one I
believe
bees
and
bees and even tree frogs
will get into them
sometimes. Tree Frogs!!
Place to hide.
There is even a fly
called sarcina fly
that you know
strictly associated with
this.
This little
upside down umbrella will
catch that pollen as it comes
down and as those
pollinators wingle into it they
take it out with them.
It's
really neat. That's
more fun than the
play station's at
mcdonald's. That's right.
And john just we have
thirty four seconds I
will let you pick. I wanna
show a hedge nettle and alot of
people want to complain
about
Florida batoni.
This is a native
cousin
this one is called thin
leafed hedgenettle and I have it
growing
like crazy in my
backyard.
Very pretty stuff.
This is a cousin
of the despised Florida Batoni.
Tenuifolia. Tenuifolia
An with that tenuous goodbye we
will say we'll see you right
here next week on
Making it Grow.
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