WEBVTT 00:01.033 --> 00:02.966 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Making it Grow is brought to you 00:03.066 --> 00:06.566 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% in part by the South Carolina Department of Agriculture. 00:06.666 --> 00:09.100 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% Certified South Carolina grown helps consumers identify 00:09.200 --> 00:13.466 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% find and buy South Carolina products. 00:13.566 --> 00:15.933 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% McLeod Farms in McBee South Carolina. 00:16.033 --> 00:18.733 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% This family farm offers seasonal produce, 00:18.833 --> 00:22.500 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% including over 22 varieties of peaches. 00:22.600 --> 00:25.200 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% Additional funding provided by International 00:25.300 --> 00:27.700 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% Paper and the South Carolina Farm Bureau 00:27.800 --> 00:30.100 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% Federation and Farm Bureau Insurance. 00:30.200 --> 00:55.600 align:left position:50% line:89% size:40% ♪ 00:55.700 --> 00:58.100 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% Well, hello and welcome to Making it Grow. 00:58.200 --> 01:01.566 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% We're so glad you could join us on this Tuesday night. 01:01.666 --> 01:04.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Things are different but we are really working 01:04.666 --> 01:09.166 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% hard all the crew here in Sumter to bring you 01:09.266 --> 01:12.100 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% shows and we so appreciate our agents out 01:12.200 --> 01:14.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% in the field. Everyone's you know we're nobody's 01:14.700 --> 01:17.266 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% back in the office but everybody's being so 01:17.366 --> 01:20.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% kind in helping us and we really appreciate that. 01:20.300 --> 01:22.266 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% I'm Amanda McNulty and I've worked with 01:22.366 --> 01:25.333 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% Clemson Extension and get to learn from all these 01:25.433 --> 01:27.900 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% super bright agents who come and share their 01:28.000 --> 01:29.733 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% expertise with us. And I'm gonna 01:29.833 --> 01:33.566 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% to start with Zack Snipes who's down there at the Coastal Rec 01:33.666 --> 01:36.966 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% down in Charleston doing fruit and vegetable work, particularly 01:37.066 --> 01:39.966 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% to try to help our growers down there. 01:40.066 --> 01:42.100 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% I'm wondering if that's somebody who 01:42.200 --> 01:44.800 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% is a specialist who's been trained to sniff out 01:44.900 --> 01:47.466 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% certain diseases in tomatoes, that your holding Zack. 01:47.566 --> 01:52.400 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% Yeah. Disease sniffing dog, I think is going to be the new 01:52.500 --> 01:56.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% vegetable specialist. But yeah, I'm out in the field two 01:56.100 --> 01:59.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to three days a week with growers and doing research. 01:59.333 --> 02:02.400 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% The other day, I got my new, with this whole 02:02.500 --> 02:06.100 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% COVID thing, I got my new co- worker here. So she keeps 02:06.200 --> 02:09.200 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% me entertained. And what is her name? 02:09.300 --> 02:12.533 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% Lexi. Lexi. Well, Hey Lexi. She looks mighty 02:12.633 --> 02:16.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% sweet. And she looks like she's got - She is a good 02:16.266 --> 02:18.166 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% choice for now because she doesn't look 02:18.266 --> 02:19.900 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% like she's the kind of dog that 02:20.000 --> 02:23.266 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% needs a hair cut very frequently. Oh no. 02:23.366 --> 02:25.433 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% Well, thanks Zack. Now we're gonna go over the 02:25.533 --> 02:28.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Beaufort where my friend Laura Lee Rose is and 02:28.600 --> 02:33.233 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% Laura Lee has affinity for flowers. She loves. 02:33.333 --> 02:37.133 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% And is an expert on all sorts of native flowers. 02:37.233 --> 02:39.900 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% And then sometimes she just gives them the things that 02:40.000 --> 02:43.333 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% are pure tea beautiful. So what I got for us Laura Lee? 02:43.433 --> 02:47.366 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% Well, I've got my blush rose here, which 02:47.466 --> 02:50.533 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% is not very fragrant but it does have beautiful open 02:50.633 --> 02:55.466 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% centers and lots of pollen for my bee friends. 02:55.566 --> 02:58.100 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% And then I've got a variety of salvia here 02:58.200 --> 03:04.000 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% called purple majesty. Which is very florific and 03:04.100 --> 03:08.333 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% also they're tubular flowers that are good for your 03:08.433 --> 03:11.000 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% pollinator friends. So that's a variety of 03:11.100 --> 03:13.266 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55% salvia that's relatively new and you would 03:13.366 --> 03:17.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% recommend that we try to find one? Yeah I think it 03:17.233 --> 03:21.400 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% four years of indigo spires for a long time and indigo spires 03:21.500 --> 03:24.666 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% while it's a beautiful plant it doesn't have the spring 03:24.766 --> 03:29.266 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% purple color. (laughs) That is pretty. 03:29.366 --> 03:32.666 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% And I've got some red honeysuckle. I don't know 03:32.766 --> 03:36.033 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% if you can see that or not. And that's our native 03:36.133 --> 03:39.500 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% honeysuckle, Laura Lee? ...honeysuckle. Probably 03:39.600 --> 03:42.700 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% Alabama Crimson. Although, it was grown by one of our 03:42.800 --> 03:47.533 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% master gardeners who been a great propagator of honeysuckle. 03:47.633 --> 03:53.000 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% Well, that's wonderful and if you've got - (laughs) 03:53.100 --> 03:56.666 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55% And I'm gonna next time we finally get 03:56.766 --> 03:59.700 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% to see each other, I'll get you to share that 03:59.800 --> 04:02.333 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% cultivar of honeysuckle because some of them tend 04:02.433 --> 04:05.333 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% to get powdered mildew and I have that problem with mine. 04:05.433 --> 04:09.000 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% I bet yours is being selective, not to have so much trouble 04:09.100 --> 04:13.033 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% with that. I never have seen that on here. That's wonderful. 04:13.133 --> 04:18.466 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% Okay. Well, Terasa Lott is stationed in Darlington now. 04:18.566 --> 04:22.766 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% And she still has an affinity for all things 04:22.866 --> 04:26.000 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% related to caring for the water quality of our 04:26.100 --> 04:29.866 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% state as we all should. But, now she's taken on the 04:29.966 --> 04:32.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% responsibility for being the master gardener 04:32.633 --> 04:36.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% coordinator. And she also is kind enough to help us out at 04:36.300 --> 04:38.833 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% Making It Grow. Terasa I hope things are 04:38.933 --> 04:42.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% going well over there and Darlington is just 04:42.900 --> 04:47.333 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% puttering along as usual. Things are going well. 04:47.433 --> 04:53.066 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% Although, slow in terms of hoping to re-open our 04:53.166 --> 04:55.466 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% doors to the public one day. 04:55.566 --> 04:58.566 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% But, still remind everyone that all the services 04:58.666 --> 05:03.033 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% extension really are still available just through the 05:03.133 --> 05:06.100 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% use of different methods or using technology, so our 05:06.200 --> 05:09.433 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% phones will still ring. We can receive emails. 05:09.533 --> 05:11.800 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% Sometimes we can use technology like Skype or 05:11.900 --> 05:15.300 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% ZOOM to do a virtual visit to someone's yard. So we are 05:15.400 --> 05:18.000 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% still here and still working for you. 05:18.100 --> 05:22.333 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% Terasa are there ways to get soil test results, still? 05:22.433 --> 05:26.800 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% There are definitely. So, people can mail the 05:26.900 --> 05:30.433 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% samples directly to the agricultural service lab. 05:30.533 --> 05:32.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% There are instructions on the #*X 05:32.766 --> 05:35.633 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% service lab website. I'll be sure to 05:35.733 --> 05:38.766 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% post those on our Facebook page. So, really 05:38.866 --> 05:41.700 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% just everything that you could normally do is still available 05:41.800 --> 05:44.766 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% now. Well good and one thing that we love that you 05:44.866 --> 05:48.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% normally do for us is to share some photographs 05:48.333 --> 05:50.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that our viewers send in. I think you said you 05:50.800 --> 05:55.466 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% have kinda a special treat for today. We do. This is a little 05:55.566 --> 05:57.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% bit different spin on our gardens of the week 05:57.900 --> 06:01.666 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% because it's just one singular garden. And that is 06:01.766 --> 06:04.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% of Dennis Gordon, Dennis is the step dad to 06:04.900 --> 06:07.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Sean Flynn, our Producer/ Director for Making It 06:08.066 --> 06:13.566 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% Grow. So, let's take a look at his Sean described it 06:13.666 --> 06:16.333 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% as his patio garden. So we have a few photos 06:16.433 --> 06:19.600 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% submitted by his wife Cindy. We have to give her 06:19.700 --> 06:22.266 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% credit for being the photographer. And you'll 06:22.366 --> 06:26.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% see we have a few garden beds he shares and 06:26.833 --> 06:29.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% some close up photographs as well. So it appears 06:29.833 --> 06:32.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that Dennis is quite the gardener. I'm going to 06:32.533 --> 06:34.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% interrupt you for just a minute and say 06:34.733 --> 06:37.866 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% that Sean's mother has about the sweetest disposition of 06:37.966 --> 06:39.933 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% anybody I know. And that's probably why 06:40.033 --> 06:42.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% he can put up with me. So hats off to you 06:42.666 --> 06:45.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Cindy for raising such a fine young man who 06:45.166 --> 06:48.300 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% occasionally rolls his eyes, but it is 06:48.400 --> 06:50.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% very patient and tolerant with me. I didn't mean to 06:51.033 --> 06:52.533 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% interrupt you, I just think she 06:52.633 --> 06:56.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% should have a special shout out. Definitely. 06:56.200 --> 06:59.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% It's always good to give her a shout out. So it was 06:59.566 --> 07:02.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% really fun to see Dennis' photographs. And I think 07:02.933 --> 07:05.066 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% it might have inspired me. We've been talking 07:05.166 --> 07:08.333 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% about adding some extra vegetable beds to our 07:08.433 --> 07:11.333 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% backyard area. So this might just give me that 07:11.433 --> 07:13.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% push I need to get going. Or perhaps I should 07:13.766 --> 07:16.333 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% say that my husband needs, because I'm lucky he does 07:16.433 --> 07:18.600 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% most of the physical labor for the ideas that 07:18.700 --> 07:20.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I want to put into place. I think you're very 07:21.033 --> 07:25.200 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% fortunate to be. Alright well thank you 07:25.300 --> 07:27.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% so much for sharing this with us Terasa 07:27.333 --> 07:30.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and thank you Dennis for submitting in to us and 07:30.200 --> 07:33.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% doing all that wonderful work around y'all's house. 07:33.966 --> 07:39.133 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% Teresa, people can post questions on Facebook and 07:39.233 --> 07:42.133 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% and often you ask questions even during the 07:42.233 --> 07:44.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Tuesday nights, when the show is streaming live on 07:44.566 --> 07:47.766 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% Facebook. And you have some is the one that 07:47.866 --> 07:52.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Laura Lee could start out with helping us with tonight. 07:52.700 --> 07:57.766 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% There sure is. So, composting is a way that 07:57.866 --> 08:00.900 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% we can turn our trash into treasure is what I 08:01.000 --> 08:04.366 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% like to say. Things that we might normally send to the 08:04.466 --> 08:07.466 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% landfill, we can use them to our benefit and 08:07.566 --> 08:09.700 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% our gardens and landscapes. So one of 08:09.800 --> 08:13.433 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% our viewers asked about vermi compost. So a special 08:13.533 --> 08:18.233 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% type of composting where we put worms into action. So Laura Lee 08:18.333 --> 08:22.866 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% can you give our viewer some tips on what is it? How do we 08:22.966 --> 08:27.666 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% get started. Tips and things to avoid. We have a co-worker 08:27.766 --> 08:30.033 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% in the Florence office who's been vermi composting right 08:30.133 --> 08:36.466 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% in the office beside hers. Worm composting is a very interesting 08:36.566 --> 08:39.233 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% hobby. And I know some people might want to even 08:39.333 --> 08:43.933 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% take it further but you can order the worm. You can order 08:44.033 --> 08:49.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% lots of supplies online. There are many avenues 08:49.266 --> 08:52.500 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% for doing that. You do know there are 08:52.600 --> 08:58.200 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% worms are red wigglers. They are tropical worms. 08:58.300 --> 09:00.733 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% So they don't want to be too hot. They don't 09:00.833 --> 09:05.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% want to be too cold. So, indoors is really a good place 09:05.566 --> 09:09.033 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% to have em. I've got em, 09:09.133 --> 09:12.566 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% at my house, I've got em out on the front porch. 09:12.666 --> 09:19.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% But, they're very well shaded by a big tree. The main thing to 09:19.600 --> 09:25.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% avoid, you don't want use meat or dairy or as some 09:26.033 --> 09:29.433 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% people would even say not too much citrus for 09:29.533 --> 09:32.933 align:left position:27.5% line:89% size:62.5% the worms and then 09:33.033 --> 09:35.666 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% one of the tips that I heard a few weeks ago, 09:35.766 --> 09:39.500 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% was that you should just feed them once a week. 09:39.600 --> 09:43.366 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% Lift up the leg and the herd that's 09:43.466 --> 09:48.300 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% there hasn't been eaten up but you don't want to be 09:48.400 --> 09:51.733 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% overfeeding em. Then you can have trouble with our 09:51.833 --> 09:55.866 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% whole supply larva and other things that you don't 09:55.966 --> 10:00.233 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55% really want. But the bedding is just as 10:00.333 --> 10:04.166 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% simple as maybe the shredded paper from your office, 10:04.266 --> 10:06.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% the newspaper as you can clear out newspaper 10:06.733 --> 10:12.066 align:left position:25% line:89% size:65% and that's about it. 10:12.166 --> 10:17.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% weird, worms and things. Sometimes I have a bin. 10:17.900 --> 10:21.133 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% And Laura Lee, what do you do with 10:21.233 --> 10:24.133 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55% what you get? That's right. So the compost 10:24.233 --> 10:28.000 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% that you - the worms are top feeders. 10:28.100 --> 10:30.866 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% They are going to the top. 10:30.966 --> 10:36.300 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% So you can actually take some of your bottom trays 10:36.400 --> 10:40.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% or you can separate worms out by hand, and take the 10:40.400 --> 10:43.866 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% compost, you can make compost tea of it 10:43.966 --> 10:46.933 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% by just putting it in a bucket and watering your 10:47.033 --> 10:52.166 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% plants with that compost tea. And you can use the compost 10:52.266 --> 10:56.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% as you would any compost around your plants, house 10:56.133 --> 10:59.433 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% plants, vegetables what have you. Right. Well, Laura Lee, 10:59.533 --> 11:01.633 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% Thank you and that sounds like something if your 11:01.733 --> 11:04.500 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% children would be a fun thing to start doing this 11:04.600 --> 11:11.466 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% summer because - Right. It's a great classroom activity 11:11.566 --> 11:14.700 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% for young children or really anybody. 11:14.800 --> 11:17.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Thank you so much. Thanks for telling us all about 11:17.566 --> 11:21.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% worms that was fun. Okay. Alrighty. 11:21.533 --> 11:23.566 align:left position:42.5% line:83% size:47.5% Terasa, I think we've got a 11:23.666 --> 11:25.933 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% vegetable expert here. You've got something Zack 11:26.033 --> 11:29.000 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% might be able to shed some light on please? 11:29.100 --> 11:32.400 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% Indeed, I do. You know this person sounded very 11:32.500 --> 11:36.500 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% desperate. He said the deer are eating my plants 11:36.600 --> 11:39.366 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% in the gardens faster than the poor plants can 11:39.466 --> 11:43.333 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% grow. Help!, with an exclamation point. 11:43.433 --> 11:47.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Deer can be a tremendous problem, very healthy appetite. 11:47.500 --> 11:52.666 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% Zack, what can be done? Well, so what I would 11:52.766 --> 11:55.000 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% recommend is put up some sort of fence. 11:55.100 --> 11:56.700 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% Then you go to Laura Lee's house 11:56.800 --> 11:58.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and get you some worms. And then you go 11:58.933 --> 12:03.800 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% fishing and not worry about it. What we've done at 12:03.900 --> 12:06.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Clemson and what a lot of small farms are doing 12:06.900 --> 12:09.800 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% that I work on, is that they have a small 12:09.900 --> 12:12.966 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% garden or area that's blocked off 12:13.066 --> 12:16.500 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% for a garden area. You can put up some fencing and 12:16.600 --> 12:19.733 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% like the hog kennel type fencing that's 12:19.833 --> 12:22.266 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% eight or ten feet high. You could put that 12:22.366 --> 12:25.066 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% up but it's very expensive to put it up. So an 12:25.166 --> 12:28.366 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% alternate what we've done, and it's worked really 12:28.466 --> 12:32.500 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55% is poly-tape. And you can buy it at 12:32.600 --> 12:35.400 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% your big box stores or you know any farm and 12:35.500 --> 12:38.800 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% garden stores. And typically it's an inch to an inch and a 12:38.900 --> 12:42.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% half plastic. Fence tape is typically used on horse 12:42.733 --> 12:46.566 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% pastures but it's impregnated with metal. And so if you put 12:46.666 --> 12:50.566 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% two of those fences up and put one on the outside 12:50.666 --> 12:52.933 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% and you want to put a strand up about 12:53.033 --> 12:57.000 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% 18 inches or two foot. And then you offset the second fence 12:57.100 --> 12:59.733 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% and you want to put a strand up about three foot 12:59.833 --> 13:01.866 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% and then another one up at about ten or 13:01.966 --> 13:04.433 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% twelve feet tall. And then you're going to hook that 13:04.533 --> 13:07.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% up to an electric solar charger. You're gonna put 13:07.166 --> 13:10.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% electricity on the fence. And what it does is it 13:10.733 --> 13:13.100 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% really messes with the deer's depth perception. They could 13:13.200 --> 13:15.366 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% easily step over the fence and then go under 13:15.466 --> 13:17.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% the second one. But they don't have really 13:17.600 --> 13:21.400 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% good depth perception because they're herbivores and they 13:21.500 --> 13:25.200 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% aren't sure how tall and wide the fence is and it flickers 13:25.300 --> 13:28.600 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% in the wind. So typically, they won't go up to the fence 13:28.700 --> 13:31.900 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% to try to jump over it. If they do up to the fence 13:32.000 --> 13:34.433 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% then they're given a little shock, which 13:34.533 --> 13:37.500 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% doesn't hurt them. It just scares them and keeps them out. 13:37.600 --> 13:41.566 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% Anyone using this, I highly 13:41.666 --> 13:44.833 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% recommended that you put the fence up before you start 13:44.933 --> 13:47.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% working the ground to plant your garden. Once deer have 13:48.033 --> 13:50.833 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% established a feeding behavior, once they know you have some 13:50.933 --> 13:52.466 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% you know succulent strawberries or 13:52.566 --> 13:54.466 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% blueberries or whatever in there. They're going to 13:54.566 --> 13:57.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% continue on that feeding pattern no matter what you do. 13:57.766 --> 14:00.466 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% So, put it up before the deer starts feeding. 14:00.566 --> 14:03.766 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% Well, that's fascinating. I have a kind of old 14:03.866 --> 14:07.366 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% fashioned electric fence where we've got these 14:07.466 --> 14:11.233 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% poles that we stepped and put in the ground and had two 14:11.333 --> 14:13.633 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% wires on. It's been a little bit of trouble 14:13.733 --> 14:16.433 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% to tell you the truth. But it has been very 14:16.533 --> 14:19.800 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% effective, But this sounds a lot easier to me to use. 14:19.900 --> 14:22.433 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% And the solar panel just sounds wonderful. 14:22.533 --> 14:26.333 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% I had to have somebody come and run a long line out. 14:26.433 --> 14:28.900 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% So, this is really, really fascinating. Thank 14:29.000 --> 14:31.566 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% you so much Zack for telling us about that. Yes ma'am. 14:31.666 --> 14:35.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% There's a fact sheet on the HGIC website on how to 14:35.400 --> 14:37.533 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% establish the fence and the cost and all 14:37.633 --> 14:39.933 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% that sort of thing. So, that's a really good 14:40.033 --> 14:42.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% resource for anybody that has a dedicated garden area. 14:42.766 --> 14:44.400 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% and wants to put up a deer fence. 14:44.500 --> 14:46.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So what's the name again that we would 14:46.566 --> 14:50.100 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% search for to look for Clemson HGIC. Yes, ma'am. You can 14:50.200 --> 14:52.800 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% just type in, once you get to the website type in 14:52.900 --> 14:54.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% deer management or if you wanted to get 14:55.000 --> 14:58.766 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% specific, you can type in two tiered fencing system for deer 14:58.866 --> 15:03.333 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% management. Okay. Thank you so much. The last 15:03.433 --> 15:05.333 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% time we can be we have a very 15:05.433 --> 15:08.633 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% interesting conversation with our entomologist and 15:08.733 --> 15:10.166 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% specialist Dr JC 15:10.266 --> 15:14.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Chong and he was talking about the very complex 15:14.366 --> 15:18.133 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% topic of neonicotinoids and the words in information 15:18.233 --> 15:20.666 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% he found out in his research. And he's gonna continue 15:20.766 --> 15:23.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% sharing some information with us now. So let's go over to the 15:24.066 --> 15:27.900 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% to the Florence Pee Dee Rec and talk to Dr. JC Chong. 15:30.666 --> 15:33.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I'm speaking today with David JC Chong. 15:33.466 --> 15:37.400 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% JC is a professor and extension specialist. 15:37.500 --> 15:42.133 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% His field is entomology and his home base is the 15:42.233 --> 15:45.400 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% Pee Dee Rec over in Florence. JC thank you for 15:45.500 --> 15:48.000 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% talking with me today. Well, great talking to you 15:48.100 --> 15:51.733 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55% again Amanda. And we spoke earlier 15:51.833 --> 15:55.633 align:left position:45% line:83% size:45% about a really hot topic. I know 15:55.733 --> 15:57.433 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% master gardeners and people are just the 15:57.533 --> 16:00.633 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% public in general got really excited about 16:00.733 --> 16:04.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% the pesticides that come under the label of 16:04.266 --> 16:08.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% neonicotinoids because of an improper use of them 16:08.166 --> 16:11.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that killed a lot of bees that are one time 16:11.600 --> 16:16.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and so everybody got all excited about it. 16:16.766 --> 16:22.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Again, our job is to use science to make decisions. 16:22.633 --> 16:25.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And so that's what we're coming to you. 16:25.433 --> 16:28.000 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% Earlier we talked about the fascinating research 16:28.100 --> 16:31.966 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55% you and other research facilities did 16:32.066 --> 16:36.000 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% and how much the plants that we go to the 16:36.100 --> 16:38.766 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% store in the Spring when we get excited about you 16:38.866 --> 16:41.266 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% know the ornamental the ornamentals and herbaceous 16:41.366 --> 16:44.266 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% perennials that we put out, how many of those 16:44.366 --> 16:46.800 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% were attracted to pollinators and had 16:46.900 --> 16:49.233 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% neonicotinoids. And people can find that 16:49.333 --> 16:52.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% if they go to the earlier podcast. But that's a 16:52.533 --> 16:57.066 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% smaller use compared to other uses of neonicotinoids. 16:57.166 --> 16:59.166 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% So let's talk about how it's used 16:59.266 --> 17:02.333 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% in other parts of the agricultural industry. 17:02.433 --> 17:05.600 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% Maybe beginning with just our field crops 17:05.700 --> 17:11.433 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% perhaps. Sure. Neonicotinoids what is one of the major 17:11.533 --> 17:13.800 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% product every year when you inspect site that 17:13.900 --> 17:17.233 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% we use in agriculture. And just about any kind 17:17.333 --> 17:19.266 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% of product that you're seeing out there doesn't 17:19.366 --> 17:23.000 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% matter it's soybean or cotton or corn. 17:23.100 --> 17:26.833 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% Some of them has been treated with 17:26.933 --> 17:28.366 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% neonicotinoids. So the treatment for neonicotinoids 17:28.466 --> 17:31.100 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% in a field crop would take the form of 17:31.200 --> 17:34.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% either spraying directly on the plant itself to kill 17:34.900 --> 17:38.133 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% the insects that are feeding on them or they can be 17:38.233 --> 17:40.933 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% seep coated on the seep is in the 17:41.033 --> 17:44.466 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% ground so that when the seedlings are germinating 17:44.566 --> 17:48.133 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% there's already insecticide around it to protect it from 17:48.233 --> 17:51.900 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% insects that are in the soil. It might be feeding on them. 17:52.000 --> 17:54.100 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% And does it also gives the little seedling 17:54.200 --> 17:57.333 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% itself some protection from insects that 17:57.433 --> 18:00.900 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% are in the air? Sure and some of them 18:01.000 --> 18:03.366 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% because neonicotinoids are a standing insecticide. 18:03.466 --> 18:05.233 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% So if you have a little bit of 18:05.333 --> 18:08.066 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% seed coating on the outside, the active ingredient can 18:08.166 --> 18:10.966 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% also be absorbed by the root of the seedling 18:11.066 --> 18:14.766 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% and bring it up to the leaves or protect them 18:14.866 --> 18:18.966 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% from some of the early seedling pests. 18:19.066 --> 18:22.500 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% JC depending upon what part of the country you're in, 18:22.600 --> 18:27.300 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% your soil types can even be a factor. 18:27.400 --> 18:32.033 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% There may or may not be a threat to your 18:32.133 --> 18:37.033 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% seeds from soil wire worms and things like that. 18:37.133 --> 18:41.433 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% But I believe that most of the product, most 18:41.533 --> 18:44.133 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% of the seats are just created because - is 18:44.233 --> 18:47.666 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% it just easier I mean it's so hard to stop 18:47.766 --> 18:50.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% you're assembly line and clean them. So even if you 18:50.433 --> 18:52.733 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% don't need it in a particular area, are you 18:52.833 --> 18:55.900 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% likely to receive seed that has been 18:56.000 --> 18:59.133 align:left position:42.5% line:83% size:47.5% coated? Yes. It's pretty likely 18:59.233 --> 19:01.533 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% that your seed will be either coated with 19:01.633 --> 19:05.200 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% a insecticide or fungicide. 19:05.300 --> 19:08.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So like you said a lot of time it's the assembly line. 19:08.300 --> 19:10.900 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% It's a lot easier for them to go and do it 19:11.000 --> 19:14.000 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% for everybody doesn't matter where they settle in the seed 19:14.100 --> 19:17.433 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% to actually stop that assembly line and say okay, 'We are 19:17.533 --> 19:20.000 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% producing seed now let's stop.' We don't need the 19:20.100 --> 19:23.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% coating. Let's not do the coating. That usually doesn't 19:23.633 --> 19:26.933 align:left position:42.5% line:83% size:47.5% happen. So and you said 19:27.033 --> 19:30.433 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% that's just I mean the tonnages is large, 19:30.533 --> 19:32.966 align:left position:37.5% line:83% size:52.5% the amount. Absolutely, so the seed 19:33.066 --> 19:36.733 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% coating itself, about ten years ago. 19:36.833 --> 19:39.833 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% We were using about two million kilos of neonicotinoids. 19:39.933 --> 19:43.533 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% just on coating seed. And that's a 19:43.633 --> 19:46.700 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% huge amount of insecticide. Now since it's water 19:46.800 --> 19:50.500 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% soluble, do they worry about it being in the 19:50.600 --> 19:54.666 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55% water supply. There's always the risk 19:54.766 --> 19:57.700 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% of them being in the water supply but the 19:57.800 --> 20:00.633 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% amount of insecticide on the seed coating side is pretty 20:00.733 --> 20:03.800 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% minute but that's not a whole lot of chemical in 20:03.900 --> 20:06.933 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% there directly. And also a lot of time they will 20:07.033 --> 20:09.733 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% also stay in the soil a lot better than just 20:09.833 --> 20:13.166 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% penetrating fluidly. Oh good. So they're not 20:13.266 --> 20:15.266 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% horribly soluble I mean they're going to tend 20:15.366 --> 20:17.333 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% to stay there. They are pretty 20:17.433 --> 20:21.600 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% soluble but you can stay in the soil. Okay 20:21.700 --> 20:25.566 align:left position:37.5% line:89% size:52.5% but it is a 20:25.666 --> 20:28.466 align:left position:37.5% line:83% size:52.5% improvement in some ways over some of 20:28.566 --> 20:31.366 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% the previous products that were available, even 20:31.466 --> 20:35.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% though it has its own set of problems, it has less 20:35.433 --> 20:38.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% toxicity in certain ways than former products that 20:38.900 --> 20:42.033 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% were used. Is that correct? Absolutely and in fact 20:42.133 --> 20:45.900 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% neonicotinoids was developed to really get 20:46.000 --> 20:50.200 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% around the high toxicity issues of the 20:50.300 --> 20:56.133 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% nicotine or the high organic phosphate insecticide. 20:56.233 --> 20:59.966 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% So if you just compare the amount of the insecticide being 21:00.066 --> 21:03.033 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% used to 50 years ago. What we are now using is much 21:03.133 --> 21:06.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% less than what were using 50 years ago. 21:07.000 --> 21:10.400 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% So, that's definitely a benefit of using something new. 21:10.500 --> 21:14.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So those are causes to be glad that we have these 21:14.333 --> 21:17.666 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% new products coming on but people 21:17.766 --> 21:20.800 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% seem to be so worried. The the pollinator situation 21:20.900 --> 21:25.600 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% seems to be so much in people's minds and 21:25.700 --> 21:28.100 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% because of that one terrible incident, 21:28.200 --> 21:32.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% people worried that it's gonna work add onto the 21:32.266 --> 21:35.666 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% problem. I always sort of joke when I get 21:35.766 --> 21:39.033 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% to follow an essay. The neonicotinoids isn't an 21:39.133 --> 21:40.466 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% insecticide and pollinators are an insecticide. 21:40.566 --> 21:45.500 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55% When you put one and one together 21:45.600 --> 21:50.166 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% of course, that's something bad is going to happen. 21:50.266 --> 21:55.066 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% So, neonicotinoids have inherent danger or risks to the 21:55.166 --> 21:57.700 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% pollinator. There's no doubt about that. So, you 21:57.800 --> 22:00.466 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% actually avoid that kind of danger when you can be thinking 22:00.566 --> 22:04.000 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% another way that people can use that product more 22:04.100 --> 22:06.533 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% safely and more effectively so we can 22:06.633 --> 22:09.833 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% actually avoid that kind of risk. So we can control the pest 22:09.933 --> 22:13.033 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% while not hurting our pollinators, I can say. 22:13.133 --> 22:14.466 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% And that has to do with 22:14.566 --> 22:18.266 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% sometimes timing. It has a lot to do with 22:18.366 --> 22:21.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% timing and where you use it and how you use it. 22:21.600 --> 22:25.266 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% For example, when the when the flowers are 22:25.366 --> 22:29.133 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% blooming and your pollinators are actually visiting flowers, 22:29.233 --> 22:33.200 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% that is not a good time to be using neonicotinoids or in fact 22:33.300 --> 22:36.333 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% any insecticide at all because when you apply an 22:36.433 --> 22:39.766 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% insecticide to a flower and the pollinators, you'll be 22:39.866 --> 22:41.700 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% getting in contact with the pollinator, you will 22:41.800 --> 22:44.766 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% kill the pollinator. Yes. And even if the pollinators are 22:44.866 --> 22:47.633 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% there if the rest stay on the flower 22:47.733 --> 22:50.766 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% itself and the pollinators walk by getting 22:50.866 --> 22:55.600 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% contact with it, it can still be impacted. 22:55.700 --> 23:00.233 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% Americans certainly do love their lawns and 23:00.333 --> 23:02.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% we know that if we really wanted to help 23:02.700 --> 23:04.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% pollinators, we ought to reduce the size of our 23:04.933 --> 23:07.166 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% lawn and put in a pollinator garden. And then some 23:07.266 --> 23:10.100 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% people are doing that. Terasa Lott, who works 23:10.200 --> 23:12.533 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% with us he's been he's been doing that and 23:12.633 --> 23:15.400 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% enjoying the results because she sees such 23:15.500 --> 23:18.300 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% wonderful things. But I think the turf industry 23:18.400 --> 23:22.800 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% itself also has found that the neonicotinoids 23:22.900 --> 23:26.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% have been affected in one of their pests in treating 23:26.466 --> 23:29.766 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% one of their pests. Right. So the neonicotinoids has 23:29.866 --> 23:32.266 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% been used in the turf industry for treatment of 23:32.366 --> 23:36.600 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% white rut quite a bit. And but there's basically 23:36.700 --> 23:39.500 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% one of the number one product is that 23:39.600 --> 23:43.200 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% neonicotinoids. And some of the study has been shown 23:43.300 --> 23:47.333 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% over the years that application of neonicotinoids 23:47.433 --> 23:51.133 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% can profoundly change the ecosystem in 23:51.233 --> 23:58.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% the enterprise. Wow! And so well but 23:58.900 --> 24:02.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% using neonicotinoids when you have a pest that's 24:02.433 --> 24:05.300 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% difficult to control neonicotinoids is your only 24:05.400 --> 24:08.633 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% options then there's not a whole of other 24:08.733 --> 24:12.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% things that you can do about it. Luckily, there are 24:12.733 --> 24:15.400 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% more new products that are coming out that 24:15.500 --> 24:20.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% are just as safe for pollinators and other animals as well. 24:20.700 --> 24:24.233 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% And are just as effective as them. Oh good. 24:24.333 --> 24:27.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Yeah definitely safer and just as effective. 24:27.400 --> 24:29.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And so that's one reason we want our professional 24:29.766 --> 24:33.000 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% applicators to take advantage of trainings so 24:33.100 --> 24:36.666 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% that they're aware of their options and 24:36.766 --> 24:38.733 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% can shift. Absolutely. 24:38.833 --> 24:41.733 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% I'll definitely recommend that and you know folks like 24:41.833 --> 24:44.866 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% me do a lot of research in that arena. 24:44.966 --> 24:48.066 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% So we could definitely share that information with you. 24:48.166 --> 24:51.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% What is good, what is the effective and what's safe. 24:51.666 --> 24:53.800 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% You said that and although sometimes it's not 24:53.900 --> 24:55.933 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% possible for a professional company 24:56.033 --> 24:59.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that's coming in to make a treatment to have a lot 24:59.200 --> 25:02.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% of laxity in timing. But you said it for instance 25:02.300 --> 25:06.133 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% if you had some clover that was blooming and 25:06.233 --> 25:08.500 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% you were going to make this application which I 25:08.600 --> 25:11.433 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% guess is a liquid application to turf, 25:11.533 --> 25:14.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% they could even - there's some cultural practices 25:14.333 --> 25:17.300 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% that could minimize the risk. Is that correct? 25:17.400 --> 25:20.600 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% Right. Some of the studies conducted in 25:20.700 --> 25:23.866 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% Kentucky basically show that if you have 25:23.966 --> 25:27.433 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% clover flowering, and you apply a new neonicotinoids insecticide 25:27.533 --> 25:30.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to the clover much of the insecticide 25:30.800 --> 25:34.766 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% will end up in the nectar. And you might have impact 25:34.866 --> 25:38.633 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% on the population. But if you mow the clover before you make 25:38.733 --> 25:41.700 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% the applications then you can actually reduce 25:41.800 --> 25:44.433 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% a lot of that risk just by reducing the 25:44.533 --> 25:47.033 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% amount of active ingredient actually ending 25:47.133 --> 25:50.000 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% up in the nectar. 25:50.100 --> 25:54.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So there are things that just being aware of 25:54.400 --> 25:57.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% look how things work and how they move in the 25:57.266 --> 25:59.766 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% plant and trying to put that whole picture 25:59.866 --> 26:03.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% together can help us all to do a better job when 26:03.566 --> 26:06.000 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% we do find that we need to make an application. 26:06.100 --> 26:08.900 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% Sometimes. And that that's probably the major 26:09.000 --> 26:12.200 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% point you have there, which is well, knowledge 26:12.300 --> 26:16.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% is really the key to the success. We are 26:16.633 --> 26:19.600 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% concerned with pollinators and we know a lot of 26:19.700 --> 26:22.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% things that we can do to make it kind of 26:23.033 --> 26:27.000 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% help and detriment to their pollinator population. 26:27.100 --> 26:31.933 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% We need to know what those are how we can actually use them. 26:32.033 --> 26:36.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% The EPA does go back and make reviews and 26:36.300 --> 26:39.866 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% sometimes they make changes in labeling or 26:39.966 --> 26:42.533 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% what's allowed. Is that correct? That's correct. 26:42.633 --> 26:47.133 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% And EPA does conduct registration review of 26:47.233 --> 26:49.266 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% different chemicals. It doesn't matter if it's insecticide 26:49.366 --> 26:53.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% or fungicide or herbicide every few years. And what 26:53.600 --> 26:55.166 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% they would do is basically during the 26:55.266 --> 26:57.966 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% review process they're putting all the new 26:58.066 --> 27:00.500 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% information. and then they're gonna look at the 27:00.600 --> 27:03.266 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% early information and that the new information and 27:03.366 --> 27:05.633 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% then make a decision as far as, is these 27:05.733 --> 27:09.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% products even safe, based on our current state of 27:09.266 --> 27:14.100 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% knowledge and whether we'll allow it to renew again. 27:14.200 --> 27:17.633 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% You said that recently there have been some 27:17.733 --> 27:20.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% reductions in the amount you could use in certain 27:20.433 --> 27:24.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% situations and so that's why once again, you 27:24.166 --> 27:25.833 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% should always read the label because if 27:25.933 --> 27:27.466 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% I've been putting out something for five 27:27.566 --> 27:31.566 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% or ten years, I might just have a way that I mix it but 27:31.666 --> 27:35.666 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% that may no longer be legal and I could still 27:35.766 --> 27:39.633 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% get control and using less product. But I 27:39.733 --> 27:43.033 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% need to read a label because the label is the 27:43.133 --> 27:47.766 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% law and it protects the environment and also 27:47.866 --> 27:50.633 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% the applicators. And people who live in the homes. 27:50.733 --> 27:52.866 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% Absolutely. And one thing I would add to that 27:52.966 --> 27:55.566 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% is you want to read the label of the product that 27:55.666 --> 27:58.400 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% you're using right now. Because the labels do 27:58.500 --> 28:02.266 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% change, the amount that you apply change, the 28:02.366 --> 28:06.166 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% name can change, the active ingredient can also change. 28:06.266 --> 28:09.966 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% And for example, I'll give an example 28:10.066 --> 28:14.733 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% Grub X, is a homeowner product for white grub control, years 28:14.833 --> 28:17.333 align:left position:37.5% line:83% size:52.5% the active ingredient is actually 28:17.433 --> 28:21.700 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% one of the neonicotinoids. And recently the active 28:21.800 --> 28:24.233 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% ingredient was actually changing another product 28:24.333 --> 28:28.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that's not even a neonicotinoid. That product is just as 28:28.933 --> 28:33.333 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% effective as neonicotinoids that's due to pollinators. 28:33.433 --> 28:36.433 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% So, because of that change in the product, you're 28:36.533 --> 28:39.700 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% basically reducing risk on the pollinator. But it also 28:39.800 --> 28:43.333 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% entailed quite a bit of changes in the label language. 28:43.433 --> 28:48.200 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% How much you apply, and things like that. So, even 28:48.300 --> 28:51.200 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% if the product is the same name, you need to 28:51.300 --> 28:53.933 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% read the label very carefully, just to make sure 28:54.033 --> 28:56.233 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% that the active ingredients and 28:56.333 --> 29:00.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% all the other information necessary. So if you have a bag 29:00.300 --> 29:02.933 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% of 20 year old products in your shed 29:03.033 --> 29:07.033 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% and get it out that's a different story, but we don't 29:07.133 --> 29:10.300 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% want to use that. It's not worth the wait. 29:10.400 --> 29:12.733 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% And fortunately our State Department of 29:12.833 --> 29:17.533 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% Agriculture does circulate the state 29:17.633 --> 29:20.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% having times when you can bring pesticides 29:20.800 --> 29:23.166 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% for safe disposal. And that's something people should 29:23.266 --> 29:25.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% keep in mind as well. You don't just put it in the 29:25.766 --> 29:28.833 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% trash and send them to the landfill. No if it goes in 29:28.933 --> 29:32.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% the landfill it probably goes into the water somewhere. 29:32.400 --> 29:35.266 align:left position:42.5% line:83% size:47.5% It's a complicated subject and I 29:35.366 --> 29:37.500 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% wanna to thank you for taking the time to shed 29:37.600 --> 29:41.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% some light on this today. And doing what you 29:41.200 --> 29:44.600 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% people do research and then and then getting 29:44.700 --> 29:47.000 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% that information to the people. Because we do want 29:47.100 --> 29:49.766 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% to make our decisions based on science and not 29:49.866 --> 29:53.433 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% on hysteria. Thank you very much JC. Thank you, Amanda. 29:56.633 --> 29:59.233 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% I do wanna thank Dr. John for sharing information with us. 29:59.333 --> 30:02.066 align:left position:37.5% line:83% size:52.5% He often is traveling the country. 30:02.166 --> 30:05.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% He is considered such an expert on these issues and 30:05.500 --> 30:08.533 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% although I'm sorry for the reason that he is not 30:08.633 --> 30:13.133 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% traveling, I really appreciate his 30:13.233 --> 30:16.333 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% knowledge and his sharing the time to share that with 30:16.433 --> 30:20.366 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% all of us. Teresa, have we got some more questions 30:20.466 --> 30:22.866 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% from some of our viewers? 30:22.966 --> 30:25.633 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% We do. The next question is about a pest 30:25.733 --> 30:29.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that always seems to find my feet and ankles, one 30:29.200 --> 30:31.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% day I will learn to wear more appropriate shoes 30:31.500 --> 30:34.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% outside. At least that's what my husband tells me 30:34.666 --> 30:37.900 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% so our viewer says, they are experiencing 30:38.000 --> 30:40.500 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% red imported fire ants in the vegetable garden 30:40.600 --> 30:43.300 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% and compost pile and they'll like to know how to 30:43.400 --> 30:46.733 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% safely manage them. Laura Lee it was so 30:46.833 --> 30:49.566 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% discouraging. You and I can remember when 30:49.666 --> 30:52.300 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% we can play outside freely in South Carolina 30:52.400 --> 30:54.333 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% and not have to worry about that. It was 30:54.433 --> 30:57.233 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% a great shock to me. But there are some things that we 30:57.333 --> 30:59.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% can do that are safe for the environment I believe 30:59.933 --> 31:02.933 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% and safe for us and fortunately not safe for 31:03.033 --> 31:07.233 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% the fire ants. So, give us help here please. 31:07.333 --> 31:10.166 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% Ants are going to be in places that are undisturbed. 31:10.266 --> 31:14.633 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% So if there's nothing in 31:14.733 --> 31:18.066 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% your garden for a little while, the ants 31:18.166 --> 31:21.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% usually will come. There fortunately is a very good 31:22.033 --> 31:27.900 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55% fact sheet on control of fire ants in 31:28.000 --> 31:31.400 align:left position:40% line:83% size:50% gardens. The same order would apply 31:31.500 --> 31:33.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% your compost pile because we're not, you don't want to 31:33.933 --> 31:37.766 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% put in harmful chemicals in your compost pile but we 31:37.866 --> 31:42.866 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% can bait around the garden and use baits around 31:42.966 --> 31:46.800 align:left position:47.5% line:83% size:42.5% our the compost pile and 31:46.900 --> 31:51.300 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% if we're using baits in the lawn too that also help 31:51.400 --> 31:54.466 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% with the your farm with the control of the fire ants. 31:54.566 --> 31:58.800 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% There are some biological controls that 31:58.900 --> 32:05.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% are available, spinoside and some of those products, 32:05.433 --> 32:09.466 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% but what I want to we caution people about 32:09.566 --> 32:15.300 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% is not to use acetate or Sevin or Ortho 32:15.400 --> 32:19.133 align:left position:37.5% line:89% size:52.5% unless it's 32:19.233 --> 32:23.600 align:left position:40% line:83% size:50% specified on the label. The label is 32:23.700 --> 32:27.266 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% the law. You've got to follow the label. Be sure that 32:27.366 --> 32:31.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% you're controlling things in an environmental friendly 32:31.766 --> 32:36.233 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% manner and we're not harming the beneficial insects. 32:36.333 --> 32:40.533 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% Basically, read the fact sheet, read the label, I always 32:40.633 --> 32:42.833 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% tell put your glasses on when you go 32:42.933 --> 32:48.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to the store. And before you even start to apply 32:48.466 --> 32:53.133 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% any kind of chemical, read the label first, so that you know 32:53.233 --> 32:57.233 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% what it can and can't do. 32:57.333 --> 32:59.966 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% Laura Lee people sometimes they're sad 33:00.066 --> 33:03.466 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% because they put out of bait and that's a 33:03.566 --> 33:06.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% wonderful product because it controls all the in 33:06.766 --> 33:10.333 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% the fire ants even the ones you don't know about. But, 33:10.433 --> 33:14.600 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% it doesn't have a very long lasting time or so 33:14.700 --> 33:16.300 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% they need to know that this is something 33:16.400 --> 33:20.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that will have to be repeated if I'm not mistaken. Repeated and 33:20.133 --> 33:22.666 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% then also you want to that's where the label 33:22.766 --> 33:25.600 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% directions come in handy too. In fact, we don't want 33:25.700 --> 33:29.566 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% to put it down until 24 hours and then the 33:29.666 --> 33:34.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% bait can be ineffective. Thank you very much. 33:34.100 --> 33:37.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Well, let's hope that we'll have a fire ant as close to 33:37.300 --> 33:40.200 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% fire ant free. We can't eliminate fire ants 33:40.300 --> 33:43.700 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% but we can try to manage them. And let me caution all of you 33:43.800 --> 33:48.000 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% that if you have a reaction that is it anyway more 33:48.100 --> 33:51.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% than localized, you need to 33:51.400 --> 33:54.166 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% if you have the slightest bit of trouble 33:54.266 --> 33:56.633 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% or start having welts, you have to go to the 33:56.733 --> 34:00.266 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% emergency room immediately. And if it's more than localized 34:00.366 --> 34:03.033 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% but not that severe, you need to speak with an 34:03.133 --> 34:06.366 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% allergist and be safe because sadly there have 34:06.466 --> 34:09.133 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% been challenges from people who are super 34:09.233 --> 34:11.733 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% sensitive to these insects. And the next time 34:11.833 --> 34:15.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% you're exposed, it could be worse than the first. 34:15.433 --> 34:19.300 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% So, even though their tiny do 34:19.400 --> 34:22.100 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% give them credit for being something that you have to 34:22.200 --> 34:22.800 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% pay attention to 34:22.900 --> 34:25.300 align:left position:25% line:89% size:65% and perhaps make some 34:25.400 --> 34:28.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% adjustments in your life. Down in Lake City, they've 34:28.666 --> 34:31.300 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% made a lot of adjustments to turn that community 34:31.400 --> 34:33.066 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% into one of the most beautiful places 34:33.166 --> 34:37.333 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% in the world and just such an incredible variety of 34:37.433 --> 34:40.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% plant material that they use and it was an old movie theatre 34:40.633 --> 34:42.833 align:left position:40% line:83% size:50% there and they left the marquee 34:42.933 --> 34:45.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% kind of everything up and left the open space and it's 34:45.933 --> 34:48.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% called the Theatre Park. And Bradley 34:48.133 --> 34:51.766 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% Roberts gave us a wonderful tour. I felt 34:51.866 --> 34:53.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% like I was sitting there and watching a movie 34:54.000 --> 34:54.966 align:left position:25% line:89% size:65% on beautiful plants. 35:11.066 --> 35:13.633 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% We're in downtown Lake City, South Carolina and 35:13.733 --> 35:16.433 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% I'm talking with Bradley Roberts, a horticulturist 35:16.533 --> 35:18.933 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% with Moore Farmers Botanical Garden. And y'all 35:19.033 --> 35:21.233 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% don't just take care of the garden, y'all bring 35:21.333 --> 35:23.833 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% your expertise downtown. That's right, 35:23.933 --> 35:26.533 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% Amanda we manage about 18 acres of 35:26.633 --> 35:28.900 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% cultivated garden space downtown. And I'm gonna 35:29.000 --> 35:31.866 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% say that although many cities have beautiful 35:31.966 --> 35:34.633 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% downtown plantings y'all's have a completely 35:34.733 --> 35:37.866 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% distinct look. Well, it does have a distinct look 35:37.966 --> 35:39.933 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% we have the you know fortune of being 35:40.033 --> 35:42.600 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% supported by a local botanical garden. Yes. 35:42.700 --> 35:44.766 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% So, we have access to a lot of different types 35:44.866 --> 35:48.500 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% of plant material. And here we are in a situation that's 35:48.600 --> 35:51.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% replicated in many older cities in the south where 35:51.400 --> 35:53.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% we had a building that I think had 35:53.700 --> 35:55.866 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% been abandoned, That's right! But 35:55.966 --> 35:57.866 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% y'all have made something so special. 35:57.966 --> 36:00.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Well thank you. This used to be that 36:00.166 --> 36:03.166 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% theatre in downtown Lake City that was abandoned. 36:03.266 --> 36:05.500 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% And we created this lovely green space here. 36:05.600 --> 36:07.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And what are some of the things you've done 36:07.566 --> 36:10.033 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% to let people know that this isn't just an 36:10.133 --> 36:13.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% abandoned space but now a welcoming venue and intimate 36:13.366 --> 36:16.566 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% place for us a little break from the busy downtown 36:16.666 --> 36:18.666 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% restaurant city? That's right. Well, we have a 36:18.766 --> 36:20.533 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% few different features out near the front 36:20.633 --> 36:23.833 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% of the facade of the space. We have seasonal planting 36:23.933 --> 36:25.633 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% containers that we have out on the sidewalk 36:25.733 --> 36:29.066 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% and invite people in. And we so have some vines some 36:29.166 --> 36:32.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% evergreen vines that kind of poke through out onto 36:32.266 --> 36:34.200 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% the street. You know to kind of let people 36:34.300 --> 36:37.200 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% know that there are is a green space here. I think it's so much 36:37.300 --> 36:39.633 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% fun to see them growing through the windows. Yeah. They're 36:39.733 --> 36:41.966 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% kinda peeking out at you. You said it kind of 36:42.066 --> 36:44.300 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% gives you a little sense of abandonment. But when you 36:44.400 --> 36:49.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% come in what a remarkably inviting and orderly but 36:49.366 --> 36:52.000 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% still full place you've created. Yeah I think so 36:52.100 --> 36:54.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% too. There's a you know a kind of a hodge podge 36:54.766 --> 36:56.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% a mix of different plant material from woodys to 36:57.000 --> 36:59.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% perennials. And then all the vines on the walls 36:59.800 --> 37:01.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% here that really kind of soften the space and 37:01.800 --> 37:03.366 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% it does kind of give it that sense 37:03.466 --> 37:06.000 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% of abandonment you're talking about. And you got several vines 37:06.100 --> 37:08.800 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% and one in particular, I was not familiar with. 37:08.900 --> 37:11.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% It's just beautiful. It's millettia. Millettia purple 37:11.633 --> 37:15.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% flowering evergreen vine. So it stays green all 37:15.166 --> 37:17.566 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% Winter long. And not invasive. Not invasive at 37:17.666 --> 37:21.233 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% all. It doesn't over seed. It has a nice full lush, 37:21.333 --> 37:23.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% green color all year. And that's important because 37:23.933 --> 37:26.633 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% this is the sunny side and to think that here 37:26.733 --> 37:29.966 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% we are on a hot day and it's still vividly green. 37:30.066 --> 37:32.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Yeah it doesn't show any signs at burn it all. 37:32.533 --> 37:34.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Then going down a little bit, our wonderful 37:34.700 --> 37:37.666 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% campsis. That's right. Campsis radicans. This 37:37.766 --> 37:40.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% one's a yellow flowering variety. You normally see 37:40.200 --> 37:42.833 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% the red flowering, but this one's yellow. It's beautiful. 37:42.933 --> 37:45.333 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% It's gorgeous. And then you got a mix of things. You've got 37:45.433 --> 37:48.733 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% some begonias and even some roses out there. We've got 37:48.833 --> 37:52.200 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% some climbing roses here to continue to give that 37:52.300 --> 37:55.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% vining effect and soften some of the hardscape. 37:55.833 --> 37:58.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Then we've got some drift roses in the landscape here too. 37:58.366 --> 37:59.800 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% Because in the Summer they'll still give 37:59.900 --> 38:01.933 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% you great color? That's right and they just keep blooming. 38:02.033 --> 38:04.233 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% So let's talk a little bit when we come 38:04.333 --> 38:07.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% in you've got a beautiful fountain, but in this old 38:07.100 --> 38:09.266 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% building gives a wonderful contrast. 38:09.366 --> 38:12.466 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% It's very modern. It is very modern. It's a modern look 38:12.566 --> 38:14.300 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% but it kind of matches the modern look 38:14.400 --> 38:18.200 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% of the pavers that are in this space. So it's kind of a nice 38:18.300 --> 38:20.833 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% mix between old and new. And a lovely little native 38:20.933 --> 38:24.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% wildflower right in front of it. That White top sedge. Yes. 38:24.366 --> 38:27.066 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% Yeah, it's gorgeous we love it and flanked by 38:27.166 --> 38:31.133 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% that fabulous upright. Those papyrus yeah. 38:31.233 --> 38:33.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% They really match a water feature. You know they're just 38:34.033 --> 38:36.500 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% meant to be next to the water. So it's a good match, 38:36.600 --> 38:38.433 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% too, to have it anchoring or flanking 38:38.533 --> 38:41.933 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% that fountain. You've got a cultivar of magnolia that's 38:42.033 --> 38:45.000 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% very beautiful. Yeah it's more of an upright growing 38:45.100 --> 38:48.500 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% variety. It's called Alta. Of our regular magnolia. 38:48.600 --> 38:51.133 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55% The southern evergreen magnolia. 38:51.233 --> 38:53.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% It's called Alta. And it grows more 38:53.600 --> 38:57.400 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% fastigate or upright. So it's good for this smaller space. 38:57.500 --> 38:59.200 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% Yeah so it can still represent the southern 38:59.300 --> 39:01.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% magnolia but not have to take up space. Yeah which it 39:01.666 --> 39:03.600 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% could easily. And really take over the 39:03.700 --> 39:05.366 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55% whole space. One thing that just 39:05.466 --> 39:08.000 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% surprises me so much is the use of conifers. This 39:08.100 --> 39:11.900 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% is a hot harsh environment. Yeah. Tell me what 39:12.000 --> 39:14.133 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% you've chosen. Full sun most of the day, but we 39:14.233 --> 39:16.166 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% have selected a few varieties to do well in 39:16.266 --> 39:18.766 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% the southeast. Chamaecyparis obtusa 39:18.866 --> 39:22.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Confucius we have in full sun. It's got great gold color, 39:22.800 --> 39:25.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% doesn't burn in the sun. And we've also got a 39:25.300 --> 39:27.733 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% variety of our native eastern red cedar it's 39:27.833 --> 39:31.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% called Brodie. Juniperus Virginiana Brodie. 39:31.766 --> 39:35.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Takes the full sun, full heat of the Summer. The color 39:35.266 --> 39:37.700 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% seems to be more vivid and it seems to be more compact. 39:37.800 --> 39:40.800 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% It's more compact and more upright. And a great place for 39:40.900 --> 39:43.633 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% wildlife in the Winter for birds. Yeah. Absolutely! 39:43.733 --> 39:46.800 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% They create little homes in nests in the interior of those 39:46.900 --> 39:49.800 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% trees. And then we've got some grasses in the front of 39:49.900 --> 39:51.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that building and then at the back you've 39:51.700 --> 39:54.566 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% got a wonderful planting of the grass. Yeah. It's one of our 39:54.666 --> 39:58.666 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% native panicums, switch grass. It's called cloud nine. 39:58.766 --> 40:01.533 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% And right now it's just exploding. It creates a great 40:01.633 --> 40:04.800 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% screen from the parking lot in the back. And then on the other 40:04.900 --> 40:08.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% side we got a little more shade and you've got some 40:08.200 --> 40:10.300 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% wonderful things that perform well there. Yeah 40:10.400 --> 40:13.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% we've got some variegated varieties of cast iron 40:13.266 --> 40:16.266 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% plant. We've got some Dasylirion. We have some 40:16.366 --> 40:20.400 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% bamboos. There's a nice mix of shade material. 40:20.500 --> 40:22.566 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% Instead of just sitting under an umbrella, we've 40:22.666 --> 40:25.133 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% got a wonderful canopy over us. Yeah I know. 40:25.233 --> 40:27.833 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% It really it matches the kind of modern feel 40:27.933 --> 40:29.933 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% of the pavers and the fountain. 40:30.033 --> 40:31.500 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% And it's something different aside from just 40:31.600 --> 40:33.600 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% planting a larger shade tree. Well, and I think it's 40:33.700 --> 40:36.500 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% fun in a city where you've got beautiful old 40:36.600 --> 40:40.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% structures to incorporate and kind of give it a little 40:40.166 --> 40:42.333 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% Ying and Yang of contemporary with old. I agree 40:42.433 --> 40:44.733 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% it gives it a kind of a fresh look. Something that's 40:44.833 --> 40:46.833 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% kind of inviting or intriguing. Y'all have a lot of 40:46.933 --> 40:49.333 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% great places to eat in Lake City and we've got a 40:49.433 --> 40:52.400 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% sculpture of it that seems to made to 40:52.500 --> 40:55.666 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% represent spoons and forks. Yeah, but like 40:55.766 --> 40:58.000 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% flowers. You know, but you're right. There are a 40:58.100 --> 41:00.666 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% lot of great places to eat but is an interesting 41:00.766 --> 41:02.233 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% interpretation and it's 41:02.333 --> 41:05.233 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% quite colorful. It's beautiful. Another fun thing that 41:05.333 --> 41:07.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% you got is since this was a theatre, you've 41:07.266 --> 41:10.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% got a theatre marquee out front. I know we do. It kind 41:10.366 --> 41:12.633 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% of makes you feel like you're in a big city or 41:12.733 --> 41:15.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% something like that. Well and you know what for 41:15.266 --> 41:18.166 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% small town, Lake City, South Carolina is kind of 41:18.266 --> 41:20.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% like the big city because of the diversity and the 41:21.000 --> 41:25.033 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% wonderful variety of stores and places to stay, places to eat, 41:25.133 --> 41:27.966 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% museum's, all kind of cultural features. If people want to know 41:28.066 --> 41:29.566 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% more about what's happening in Lake City 41:29.666 --> 41:32.466 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% or at Moore Farms Botanical Garden, how do they do that? 41:32.566 --> 41:34.766 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% You can visit our website 41:34.866 --> 41:37.066 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% It's moorefarmsbg.org. 41:37.166 --> 41:38.600 align:left position:37.5% line:83% size:52.5% And there's information there about 41:38.700 --> 41:40.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% events and happenings at the garden 41:40.433 --> 41:42.133 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% and special events in downtown Lake City. 41:42.233 --> 41:44.300 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% Thank you for spending the time with us today. 41:44.400 --> 41:46.600 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% Thank you for having me. 41:51.600 --> 41:53.300 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% I want to thank all of our friends 41:53.400 --> 41:55.133 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55% down in Lake City. Everyone has been 41:55.233 --> 41:58.100 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% always cooperative with particularly, our need 41:58.200 --> 42:00.966 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% in their Bradley Roberts. We hope that if y'all have a Sunday 42:01.066 --> 42:03.500 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% afternoon and want to take a drive there, drive down to 42:03.600 --> 42:06.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Lake City and look at the beautiful street plantings and 42:06.766 --> 42:09.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% the plantings around the building. Terasa, 42:09.633 --> 42:13.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% it's still that vegetable to grow time of year I 42:13.800 --> 42:16.066 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55% bet somebody wants to get some 42:16.166 --> 42:18.566 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% information that Zack might be able to lead them in the 42:18.666 --> 42:21.633 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% right direction. You are correct, Amanda 42:21.733 --> 42:25.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that we have a first time vegetable gardener, who 42:25.500 --> 42:28.200 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% would like some advice. He and his friends have 42:28.300 --> 42:32.300 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% started gardening. They said it feels like it rather expensive 42:32.400 --> 42:35.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% because the seeds seem to be pre packaged. So looking for 42:35.866 --> 42:38.866 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% advice on kind of the start up materials needed 42:38.966 --> 42:42.033 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% for a garden so that he and his friends each plant two or 42:42.133 --> 42:45.366 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% three things and then share the harvest. 42:45.466 --> 42:48.033 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% Okay. So, they I guess they're trying to maybe 42:48.133 --> 42:53.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% grow some transplants and don't need 50 of them, 42:53.333 --> 42:55.100 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% but would like to share them. How do you 42:55.200 --> 42:58.300 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% get started and what you need to do that, Zack? 42:58.400 --> 43:00.700 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% Yeah so what I tell people 43:00.800 --> 43:03.733 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% is really is form a group or network of friends. I 43:03.833 --> 43:07.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% think master gardener is a great place to start 43:07.433 --> 43:09.533 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% if you have some extra time on your hands just a network of 43:09.633 --> 43:12.700 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% people who are really into the same 43:12.800 --> 43:15.533 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% thing and kind of have the same gardening 43:15.633 --> 43:19.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% fun I guess. But when you start swapping plants 43:19.266 --> 43:21.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% with people, you know you can really get into some 43:21.466 --> 43:24.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% of the weirder, you know. odd and end varieties because as 43:24.300 --> 43:26.400 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% Terasa said, you know when you start looking 43:26.500 --> 43:29.166 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% at these seed catalogs and ordering online, you might 43:29.266 --> 43:32.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% pay four or five dollars for 25 seeds of 43:32.533 --> 43:35.000 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% a tomato. And you know you might just want one 43:35.100 --> 43:36.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% or two of those tomatoes, if you're starting your 43:37.033 --> 43:40.400 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% own plants. So having friends in the community 43:40.500 --> 43:42.933 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% where you can grow some of these are types tomatoes. 43:43.033 --> 43:45.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I can grow these peppers, and then you can kind of 43:45.400 --> 43:48.000 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% swap transplants as a really good way to go. 43:48.100 --> 43:51.366 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% I know all my friends at extension, we every 43:51.466 --> 43:53.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% time we see each other we trade plants. 43:53.433 --> 43:55.833 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% This year has been particularly hard with the virus. 43:55.933 --> 43:59.466 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% I haven't added as many plants swaps as normal. 43:59.566 --> 44:01.800 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% But that's a good procedure, if you're wanting to 44:01.900 --> 44:04.833 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% start your own plants, I know a lot of times big box 44:04.933 --> 44:07.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% stores and local hardware stores, you're kind of 44:07.600 --> 44:09.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% stuck with the varieties they have there. 44:09.266 --> 44:12.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Some of those are pretty good varieties actually 44:12.166 --> 44:14.333 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% If you kind of want to get off the beaten 44:14.433 --> 44:16.333 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% path and grow more heirloom type plants and 44:16.433 --> 44:19.400 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% whatnot. You know ordering online seed catalogs is a good 44:19.500 --> 44:22.166 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% idea but you can start a lot of plants in 44:22.266 --> 44:25.266 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% your home well just a fluorescent light, 44:25.366 --> 44:28.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% shop once almost a lot of people buying those many 44:28.666 --> 44:31.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% greenhouses are just hate those things. You were talking 44:31.866 --> 44:35.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% about fire ants earlier. That is a wonderful place for 44:35.700 --> 44:38.333 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% fire ants. and a lot of times they're not temperature 44:38.433 --> 44:41.533 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% regulated. I'm not a big fan of those. 44:41.633 --> 44:43.733 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% What you can do is you can build a little 44:43.833 --> 44:47.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% stand and then you can go to our store get a light 44:47.633 --> 44:51.466 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% house, just regular fluorescent bulbs and get 44:51.566 --> 44:54.733 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% some seed starting mix and some trays. And what 44:54.833 --> 44:57.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% you're gonna do is you're gonna do, the lights are 44:57.600 --> 45:00.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% typically they'll have a chain with them, if not 45:00.100 --> 45:02.866 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% you can buy a little chain. You're gonna take a 45:02.966 --> 45:05.566 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% fluorescent light and you're gonna put it right on top 45:05.666 --> 45:09.600 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% of the plant, over the soil with your seed 45:09.700 --> 45:12.633 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% starter in it. As the plants grow, you're just gonna 45:12.733 --> 45:15.666 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% keep it above them, maybe an inch or so. 45:15.766 --> 45:18.366 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% What this does, is it keeps the plant stocky and 45:18.466 --> 45:21.266 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% keeps them growing towards the light versus put 45:21.366 --> 45:22.800 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% them in a window sill where they 45:22.900 --> 45:26.000 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% tend to stretching and get leggy. You may never really 45:26.100 --> 45:28.666 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% good strong healthy plant. Let me stop you could just a 45:28.766 --> 45:32.433 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% minute. I have two questions. Is a seed starting mix 45:32.533 --> 45:36.266 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% different from potting soil? Absolutely. 45:36.366 --> 45:38.366 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% Absolutely so potting soils typically are 45:38.466 --> 45:41.666 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% heavier. And they're gonna have slowly produced 45:41.766 --> 45:44.233 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% fertilizers in them and they stay wetter. So you'll 45:44.333 --> 45:46.866 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% get a lot of damping off or a lot of 45:46.966 --> 45:49.066 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% seedling diseases do if you use potting soil because it 45:49.166 --> 45:52.933 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% stays that wet. All right. The seed starting mixes 45:53.033 --> 45:54.933 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% typically there a lot lighter. There's a lot 45:55.033 --> 45:57.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% more and then they don't have the starter 45:57.400 --> 46:01.500 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% fertilizer. You're not gonna get 46:01.600 --> 46:03.733 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% as many of those users because the pathogens are not 46:03.833 --> 46:05.500 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% gonna stick around because he's not as wet. 46:05.600 --> 46:10.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So that is that is a huge factor in growing strong 46:10.400 --> 46:13.966 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% open transplant. And then, the fluorescent light 46:14.066 --> 46:16.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% isn't going to get hot to the touch who's not 46:16.266 --> 46:19.100 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% gonna burn is that why we're using the fluorescent 46:19.200 --> 46:22.966 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% lights? Correct! Correct! And you know they're cheap. 46:23.066 --> 46:25.500 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% You can pick them up anywhere. But the key is keeping 46:25.600 --> 46:26.833 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% it right above the plant, 46:26.933 --> 46:30.666 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% not touching the plant. But right above the plant. 46:30.766 --> 46:34.600 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% Yeah right above the plant. If the plant grows, move the 46:34.700 --> 46:37.533 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% light. When the plants reach/\ two or three true 46:37.633 --> 46:39.766 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% leaf stage, what I like to do is put a best 46:39.866 --> 46:42.933 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% fan or house fan on em and it kind of gets 46:43.033 --> 46:45.733 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% wiggle on them. What that'll do is it really toughens 46:45.833 --> 46:49.433 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% them up and gets them ready to go outside to plant. 46:49.533 --> 46:53.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Okay so that that's a key and then the last two 46:53.966 --> 46:56.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% is the start taking them outside when you get 46:56.733 --> 46:59.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% closer to planting them. Take them outside for a few 46:59.833 --> 47:03.166 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% hours and then bring it back in. 47:03.266 --> 47:04.833 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% You increase that time spending outside and 47:04.933 --> 47:07.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% this is called hardening off. So once you harden off those 47:07.866 --> 47:10.733 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% plants, set them in a garden, they're gonna grow 47:10.833 --> 47:13.600 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% like crazy. So that's kind of like in the old days 47:13.700 --> 47:15.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% before you realized that you should not be 47:15.433 --> 47:18.133 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% any kind of sun tan at all, people would start off 47:18.233 --> 47:20.900 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% slowly getting the tan and then staying a bit longer. 47:21.000 --> 47:25.933 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% Is that right correct? Correct. Same thought process 47:26.033 --> 47:27.933 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% Okay. But the fan you just want to 47:28.033 --> 47:30.500 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% have it moving very slightly. You don't want to dry them out 47:30.600 --> 47:33.066 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% or anything, just very gentle fan. Correct. 47:33.166 --> 47:35.633 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55% Correct. You just to kind of move like 47:35.733 --> 47:40.600 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% this way a little bit. What it's 47:40.700 --> 47:42.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% gonna do is put a lot of carbohydrates and sugars 47:43.000 --> 47:46.166 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% and things they're making in the stem or trunk of a plant. 47:46.266 --> 47:49.566 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% And the stem is a little woody be almost like a little 47:49.666 --> 47:53.433 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% twig. That's when you know the plants ready 47:53.533 --> 47:56.033 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% to go out in the field. All righty. Thank you so 47:56.133 --> 47:58.566 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% much. Greenwood, South Carolina 47:58.666 --> 48:02.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% has beautiful gardens all over town. One that's 48:02.366 --> 48:03.933 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% a favorite was a 48:04.033 --> 48:07.433 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% pollinator garden. And they also use that as a 48:07.533 --> 48:11.400 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% research station. Rusty Wilson is a citizen 48:11.500 --> 48:14.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% scientist. And he's going to explain how he 48:14.400 --> 48:19.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% documents and takes lots are numerical factors about, 48:19.333 --> 48:21.733 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55% gets a lot of numerical data about the 48:21.833 --> 48:24.400 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% monarchs that they attract at that garden. 48:38.166 --> 48:40.400 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% I'm in downtown Greenwood, South Carolina speaking 48:40.500 --> 48:42.933 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% with Rusty Wilson who is a Clemson Master Gardener 48:43.033 --> 48:46.000 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% and also a citizen scientist. And we're in a 48:46.100 --> 48:48.666 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% beautiful and kind of unusual garden for a 48:48.766 --> 48:52.266 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% downtown city. Yes ma'am. This is the Greenwood 48:52.366 --> 48:55.100 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% County Veterans Center Pollinator Garden. It's a 48:55.200 --> 48:58.100 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% pollinator garden because flowers have been planted 48:58.200 --> 49:01.200 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% to attract pollinators such as bees, butterflies 49:01.300 --> 49:04.233 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% and things of that nature. It is also been 49:04.333 --> 49:08.200 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% designated a monarch waystation because the 49:08.300 --> 49:12.133 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% monarchs that migrate between Canada and the 49:12.233 --> 49:14.833 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% northern part of the United States will come 49:14.933 --> 49:18.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% through here on their way to Mexico and back again. 49:18.633 --> 49:21.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And this is a waystation for them to stock to 49:21.933 --> 49:25.866 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% nectar and lay eggs. And so you plant specific 49:25.966 --> 49:28.733 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% plants for the eggs to be laid on, the 49:28.833 --> 49:32.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% larvae to eat, I believe. Yes, that would 49:32.100 --> 49:34.733 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% be the milk weed. The milkweed is planted for 49:34.833 --> 49:38.666 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% the monarch butterflies for that reason. And I'm 49:38.766 --> 49:42.433 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% involved in a citizen science project 49:42.533 --> 49:45.766 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% for the monarch larva monitoring project which 49:45.866 --> 49:48.833 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% is a citizen science project sponsored by the 49:48.933 --> 49:52.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% University of Minnesota. And what I do is I count 49:52.300 --> 49:55.066 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% all of the milkweed in the garden. 49:55.166 --> 49:58.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Yes. And as I'm counting the milkweed, I'm also 49:58.733 --> 50:01.333 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% counting all of the butterflies that I see. 50:01.433 --> 50:03.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And when I'm counting the butterflies I'm 50:03.600 --> 50:07.100 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% talking about all of the stages of the monarch butterfly 50:07.200 --> 50:10.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% life cycle, after which I will report that to the 50:10.966 --> 50:15.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% monarch larva monitoring project lab website. And what 50:15.866 --> 50:19.233 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% are the stages? Well, there's the egg. 50:19.333 --> 50:21.700 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55% Yes. The egg hatches into a larva 50:21.800 --> 50:25.000 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% also known as a caterpillar. And that 50:25.100 --> 50:29.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% larva will shed its skin several times. And each 50:29.500 --> 50:32.666 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% time it shed its skin, it's in a different stage. 50:32.766 --> 50:36.866 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% It's called an instar. It has five instars in 50:36.966 --> 50:41.133 align:left position:37.5% line:83% size:52.5% that larval stage, after which it will 50:41.233 --> 50:43.800 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% go. It will pupate, which means it will 50:43.900 --> 50:48.700 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% spend a chrysalis, which will encompass the 50:48.800 --> 50:53.133 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% the insect. And while it's pupating, it will 50:53.233 --> 50:57.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% transform into an adult. When it transforms into 50:57.333 --> 51:01.366 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% an adult, it will after about one to two weeks, it 51:01.466 --> 51:06.000 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% will emerge as an adult and it will 51:06.100 --> 51:10.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% fly south presumably. And you say they come through 51:10.500 --> 51:12.766 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% sporadically, but basically two times of 51:12.866 --> 51:17.600 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% the year. The Fall and the Spring. And so perhaps in 51:17.700 --> 51:22.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% the Spring they're going from their Winter home 51:22.166 --> 51:26.133 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% towards the north? Yes. And then in the Fall, 51:26.233 --> 51:29.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% coming back down. And you said that there's not a - 51:29.433 --> 51:30.833 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% we're trying to figure out where 51:30.933 --> 51:33.833 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% they're concentrated so that we can be more mindful of 51:33.933 --> 51:35.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% protecting them. Is that one of the reasons 51:35.800 --> 51:38.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to collect this data? And find out where they are 51:38.333 --> 51:41.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% actually in the country? Yeah this status is to 51:41.866 --> 51:44.566 align:left position:37.5% line:83% size:52.5% help us to get more knowledge about 51:44.666 --> 51:46.866 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55% the butterfly distribution and 51:46.966 --> 51:50.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% abundance. And hopefully with that knowledge, we 51:50.233 --> 51:53.733 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% can inform and inspire people to take butterfly 51:53.833 --> 51:56.500 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% conservation more seriously. I've asked you if you 51:56.600 --> 51:58.300 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% had to change your eyeglass prescription 51:58.400 --> 52:00.633 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% because you took me around to show me how 52:00.733 --> 52:03.933 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% you look for things. And these are very small. And you 52:04.033 --> 52:06.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% have to look under every leaf in a long cases. 52:06.966 --> 52:10.433 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% I'm looking at each leaf. When a monarch lays its eggs 52:10.533 --> 52:13.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% more often than not, it's going to lay its 52:13.100 --> 52:15.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% eggs underneath the leaf. So I'm having to look 52:15.700 --> 52:19.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% underneath the leaves to find the eggs. Also many 52:19.966 --> 52:22.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% of the larval stages are going to be 52:22.400 --> 52:24.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% underneath the leaves. The thing is that's not exclusive, 52:24.866 --> 52:28.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% because I have found some eggs laid on top and some 52:28.966 --> 52:32.733 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% larval on top. Well, I wanna to thank you for a 52:32.833 --> 52:36.033 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% very time consuming but important part of the 52:36.133 --> 52:39.600 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% research that's going to try to help us understand how 52:39.700 --> 52:43.000 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% better to keep this beautiful insect as part 52:43.100 --> 52:46.133 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% of our natural surroundings. Thank you. 52:47.766 --> 52:56.566 align:left position:50% line:89% size:40% ♪ 52:56.666 --> 53:00.033 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% Rusty Wilson has amazing 53:00.133 --> 53:02.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% knowledge and ability to spot things. 53:02.833 --> 53:06.733 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% We were really impressed and he has been invaluable to 53:06.833 --> 53:10.233 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% the city chamber in providing information to 53:10.333 --> 53:14.666 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% the monarch alliance. Terasa, we have about two and a half 53:14.766 --> 53:17.633 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% minutes left is there something Laura Lee maybe 53:17.733 --> 53:21.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% can help us with in that amount of time? 53:21.533 --> 53:24.600 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% I think so. A viewer is having trouble with her palm 53:24.700 --> 53:26.966 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% trees saying they just don't look as healthy as 53:27.066 --> 53:30.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% they used to. She's seen fertilizer that says 53:30.466 --> 53:33.633 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% it specially made for palms. And she wants to know 53:33.733 --> 53:35.666 align:left position:25% line:89% size:65% should she use that. 53:35.766 --> 53:38.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Laura Lee people package things up in 53:38.633 --> 53:42.233 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% lots of different ways. Is this a good 53:42.333 --> 53:45.466 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% way to do it or should we kind of be like those 53:45.566 --> 53:49.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Clemson Extension people and say go do a soil test. 53:50.700 --> 53:55.433 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% There are some nutritional deficiencies 53:55.533 --> 53:57.233 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% that affect palm trees. So the 53:57.333 --> 54:01.666 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% soil test does take the guess work out but the 54:01.766 --> 54:05.333 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% symptomatic problems, you'll see certain called 54:05.433 --> 54:12.833 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% from frizzle or you'll see yellowing leaves on the 54:12.933 --> 54:16.666 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% old or you may see problems with the new growth. 54:16.766 --> 54:22.200 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% But the soil test will really take that guess work out. 54:22.300 --> 54:26.966 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% - and magnesium and potassium are all 54:27.066 --> 54:30.766 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% really important for the growth of healthy palm trees. 54:30.866 --> 54:33.766 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% So palm fertilizer is better than no fertilizer. Okay! So if 54:33.866 --> 54:35.500 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% that's all you can manage. 54:35.600 --> 54:37.366 align:left position:37.5% line:83% size:52.5% But just do follow the directions and 54:37.466 --> 54:41.700 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% don't over-fertilize. Correct!. And I think the same 54:41.800 --> 54:45.733 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% thing goes with watering too. People 54:45.833 --> 54:48.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% really should have a rain gauge. And what do they 54:48.200 --> 54:50.366 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% think about an inch a week is about 54:50.466 --> 54:56.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% normal, Laura Lee? - plants with new transplants you give 54:56.266 --> 54:59.900 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% a little more but and using native plants 55:00.000 --> 55:03.566 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% that are drought tolerant. And I'm although we know 55:03.666 --> 55:05.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% fall is the best time to plant, a lot of 55:05.900 --> 55:08.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% people just can't resist bringing things home now. 55:08.566 --> 55:10.700 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% And they will have to supply supplemental 55:10.800 --> 55:12.933 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% irrigation. And if you don't have tree bags 55:13.033 --> 55:16.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Laura Lee, sometimes I've just gotten a five gallon 55:16.200 --> 55:18.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% buckets and drew a little hole or two in 55:18.333 --> 55:21.466 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% the bottom. And then it may 55:21.566 --> 55:24.133 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% not be attractive but it's better than a dead plant. 55:24.233 --> 55:29.366 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% What do you think? Yes. Small holes seep out 55:29.466 --> 55:32.400 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% over time. And then you know how much water you 55:32.500 --> 55:35.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% actually delivered to the plant. Well I think I'm gonna 55:35.533 --> 55:37.666 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% have to stop you there and say thanks to each 55:37.766 --> 55:41.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and every one of you for answering questions and 55:41.266 --> 55:43.400 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% give information to our viewers tonight. Thank you 55:43.500 --> 55:46.100 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% and thank you all for watching. We'll be with you again 55:46.200 --> 55:48.733 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% next week. We'll have more beautiful gardens, more 55:48.833 --> 55:52.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% answers to questions. 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