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Well, welcome, welcome, 
welcome! It's Tuesday night

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and here we are with 
another Making it Grow

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still coming to you in a 
slightly different format

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but we're having a real 
good time and we hope

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that you're enjoying the 
new way that we bring

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information to you. I'm 
Amanda McNulty I'm a

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Clemson Extension agent and 
this show is wonderful

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because I get to catch up 
with some of my friends

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and you will too tonight. 
We've got a fun show

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planned. Let me introduce 
Zack Snipes. Zack is an

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extension agent and he's down 
there in Charleston and

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he does a lot of helping, 
local farmers I believe

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that's right, Zack? Yes ma'am. 
We help farmers grow crops

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so that people can enjoy 
fresh produce year round.

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And we, 
you know Certified South

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Carolina really makes a 
difference in the economy

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of our state when people 
selectively choose things

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that were grown by our 
farmers and it reduces

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the carbon footprint, too, I 
would think, don't you?

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reduces a carbon 
footprint, you get

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local food that's a lot 
fresher and fresh

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foods. The quicker you 
eat them, the more healthy

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they are for you so I'm 
always use local if you

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can. All righty. And then 
Adam Gore is in Abbeville

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and Adam is a turf 
expert. He's actually

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working towards his PhD. 
Good gracious almighty,

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but fortunately he knows 
a lot of things other

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than turf. Adam, how's 
life been up there in Abbeville

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for you? 
Abbeville's

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wonderful. You know we get 
our occasional spot

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showers which is keeping 
things well watered so

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we're, we're having a good 
year up here. And I know

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you got a yard full of 
sweet gum trees so when

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fall comes you'll have 
some fall color even

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though it may not be the 
tree of choice that you

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would have planted. 
Yes ma'am. Make sure

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to wear your shoes 
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and that's a shame 
because you got that

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wonderful soft Centipede grass, 
I mean Saint

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Augustine grass in one 
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Oh goodness, well, 
you're right, you

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don't want to step on 
those, my son when he was

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little used to call them 
sweet bumble balls which

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I think is a good name 
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there's nothing sweet about 
them. No, there really isn't.

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Although they are good for quail 
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Terasa Lott is our 
statewide master gardener

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coordinator. We're so 
proud of her and she's

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just an invaluable part 
of the Making It Great

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team. Terasa hello, 
hello, we missed you. We've

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been missing you. We're glad 
you with this today and

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you've sometimes bring us 
some beautiful pictures

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to make us, to lift our 
hearts and make us feel

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better. Is that going to 
happen this week?

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it is. I think it's become 
my favorite part of the

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show, our gardens of the 
week. I think of it sort

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of like a virtual field 
trip across the state so

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let's get started. We have 
four photographs to share

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with you today. 
We're going to start with

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Linda Tollinson Smith. She 
sent us some beautiful

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bright Hibiscus from 
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Next up, from Roebuck, 
Wanda Eller sent us flowers

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along the front side of 
her house which includes

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some vibrant orange Cosmos.

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Debbie Knebel send us 
pictures of her veggie

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garden and if you look 
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there is wire and she 
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there to protect the 
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And then we're going to end

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today with something fun. I 
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something positive and 
light hearted. This

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photograph was sent in by 
Judy Griffin and she

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found a creative way to 
reuse old pots.

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She fashioned them into a 
person of sorts and she

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says she calls it the 
queen of the garden. Dresses her

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pot person seasonally and she 
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that we all remain 
contagiously positive. < Laughs >

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That was quite a 
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and I think she put a lot 
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imagination into it, don't you?

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She sure did. I especially 
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Well, Terasa, I think 
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for specialist. We've got 
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knowledge on how should we 
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are common themes from 
our viewers and those

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that call into extension 
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weeds. Sometimes 
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it's too late really to 
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someone asked us, what can 
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proactive in terms of 
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Aha. 
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some things that people 
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some, there are different 
products that we can put

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out. What's the one that 
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What's the best and 
safest perhaps for your

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turf and for the 
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Yes ma'am. So, when we talk 
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is right that 
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calls and they were in 
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these weeds in my yard, 
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about it is now 
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like Annual Bluegrass or 
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Lawn burweed is a very 
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time. So, what we need to 
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pre emergent herbicides 
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September and going 
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October to really help

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control these weeds 
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had in the past that will 
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season. 
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pre emergent herbicides 
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called Prodiamine. It's safe on 
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warm season grasses and 
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about most of all the 
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have an issue with 
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Now you would probably 
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applications so read the 
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we would do is 
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so we would put out about 
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at the beginning of 
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weeks later we would put 
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because during December 
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South Carolina typically sees 
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weather and this rain wet 
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emergence not work as well

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but we really want to try 
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germinating in October and 
November and that gives

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us a really clean 
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and February. Adam, they 
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and broadleaf weeds 
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just a little bit? And are some 
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directed at one or the 
other and do some control

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both? Yes ma'am. So things 
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target a large majority 
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broadleaf weeds. The way 
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and process sugars 
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herbicides had different 
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having an issue with a 
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specifically again burweed, you 
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called Gallery. It 
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and Isoxaben is gonna stop just 
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all of your broadleaf 
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verses if you would use 
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Dithiopry and 
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Those target more of our grassy 
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issues with 
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and no actually cover hen 
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So we can see a little 
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the herbicide you would use. So 
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what you've experienced 
in the past and use that

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to control what you have. 
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these herbicides are 
gonna tell you what weed

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they typically see 
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but if you are looking 
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pollinator friendly so 
you wanna have some of

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our 
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flowers for pollinators. 
you may want to skip

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these herbicides. Because 
they will stop those

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weeds that you want to 
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indiscriminate in what 
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So you definitely think 
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landscape you wanna have 
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And again read that label 
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they have to be irrigated 
or water in with a

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certain amount of water 
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correct? Yes ma'am so what 
all these herbicides work

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is they are absorbed into 
the soil and they form

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almost which you could 
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when these weed seeds 
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take in some of this 
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you start seeing herbicide 
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these herbicides when you 
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be irrigated typically 
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an inch of water just to 
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soil. Adam I have one more 
question we talked about

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was 
with certain fungicides

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and things like that. That 
we should use different

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active ingredients. Is 
that an issue with these

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pre emergent herbicides 
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use the same thing year 
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want to alternate what 
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herbicides just like 
fungicides insecticides

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have different modes of 
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work in different ways. 
So on every herbicide

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label it should have a 
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what type of group 
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that group refers to is 
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typically with our pre-emergents 
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di-nitro inhibitors and DNA

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inhibitors which attack 
the first growth of the

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plant. So that's things 
like barricade in the

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dimension and 
curb and some of these

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popular herbicides. So if 
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herbicide year after year 
and we see it with a pre

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emergent and post 
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some weeds that were 
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about seven to ten years 
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those weeds become 
resistant to that

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herbicide. So each year 
you want to alternate

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that group of herbicides 
just that we don't see

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resistance ah show up 
that we've seen in the

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past. Adam I've been 
hearing about pre

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emergence and actually 
used some

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since I've been 
associated with Clemson and

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I learned a lot more than 
I knew about them and I

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thank you for giving us a 
complete coverage

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of the topic today.

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TJ Savereno is a forestry 
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agent and we asked him if 
there was some things

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that he would like to 
share with us and he has

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tried to make a 
make his home landscape

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one that is friendly to 
all sorts of wildlife so

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let's go and see what's 
going in his yard.

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Hello. This is TJ Savereno. 
I'm a Forestry and Wildlife

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Extension agent with 
Clemson Cooperative

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Extension. And I wanted to 
talk to you today a

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little about 
my backyard here in

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Sardis, South Carolina, 
in the southern part of

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Florence county and about 
some of the native plants

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that we have in and 
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Some of which we planted 
some of which volunteered

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some of which continue to 
pop up, thanks to birds

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and other species that 
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All of these plants have 
some value to wildlife

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and that's what I want to 
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A blue Jay just flew into 
the red mulberry tree

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that we planted in the 
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I suspect that he or she 
as it may be, was feeding on

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some of the fruits. 
Red mulberries are a

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fast growing native 
species that produce

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fruit early in the year. 
And when it does have

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fruit on it, you can be 
sure that it will attract

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a lot of birds until all 
the fruit is gone.

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One of the great plants 
that occur naturally in

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our landscape is the 
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And those fleshy fruits 
are irresistible to a lot

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of different birds. 
We've had a really good

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crop this year. The 
weather conditions

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must've been just perfect 
at the time flowering and

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setting fruit. Last year, we 
hardly had any at all

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but the birds 
are going to be filling

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themselves with their 
fruits this year.

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Black cherry has a very 
distinctive bark.

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It's gray and tight bark 
when it's young.

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As it gets older, the bark 
gets kind of flaky as you

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can see here. Another plant 
that volunteers very

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readily is the winged 
sumac that you see here.

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It produces clusters of 
hard red fruits later on

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in the year. 
This plant hasn't

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flowered yet, but those 
fruits are persistent

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once they set. 
They're dry fruit but

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still they're appealing 
to eastern bluebirds and

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a lot of other songbirds. 
And they stay on the

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plant a long time 
through the winter.

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So, they're available at a 
time when not a lot

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of other sources of food are 
available.

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This is one of the brush 
piles that I've

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created on the edge of our yard. 
Brush piles are

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important for wildlife as a 
escape cover

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for species like 
rabbits, small rodents and

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sometimes songbirds. 
This one has got an

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Eastern Red Cedar that 
you can see, right here

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coming up. 
A lot of these brush

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piles will be the places 
where you'll see some

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of the species that I'm 
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And this is because birds

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like to use these areas 
for perches. And since

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birds like to eat fruits, 
of course they have to

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deposit their waste 
somewhere.

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So they drop the seeds 
where they perch along

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with a nice little pack 
of fertilizer. And before

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long, you've got a start 
of some new plants,

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whether you intended to 
have them there or not.

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One of my favorite native 
plants, and one that

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the birds love as well is 
poke weed.

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It produces small white 
flowers followed by green

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berries. 
And if you're familiar

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with poke weed, you'll 
know that later on

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in the year these green berries 
will turn into very shiny

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deep purple berries that 
the birds will be

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flocking to. 
When that happens I'll

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expect to be seeing 
mockingbirds, ground

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thrashers, eastern 
bluebirds and cardinals

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come into this plant when 
the fruits ripen.

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And the thing is that not 
all the fruit always

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gets eaten. And the berries 
after they dry, later in

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the year will continue to 
drop seeds on the ground,

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which the morning doves 
and other birds will

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be picking up. 
As you can see this poke weed

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is growing at the 
base of a fence line in

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our yard. And that's 
because the birds like

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to sit on these fence lines. 
And poke weed is one

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of those plants that will 
spread through

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the distribution of seeds by 
the birds.

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However, I would like 
the plants, a lot of people

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try to get rid of them 
but I leave it where it grows.

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I like to see the 
foliage and fruits. It's a

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very photogenic plant 
and because the birds

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love it so much, I just 
tend to leave them where

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they pop up. There are 
probably a dozen or a

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dozen and a half species 
in this garden,

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including some non native 
things that sprouted up.

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But right now, the 
showcase in this garden

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is rebecium. 
And the pollinators are

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flocking to 
it. It has a very showy

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flower. It's a very 
pretty plant. Also, drought

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tolerant 
and does very well in

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poor soils. 
But there are other

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things in this garden 
that will be blooming at

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different times 
throughout the year.

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So, that's important for 
pollinators

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that they have a source 
of nectar and pollen

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throughout the season. 
And here we have one of

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our woody native 
plants that we've got in

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our native garden. 
This is beauty berry

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cala carpa. 
And you can see that it's

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flowering right now. And 
later on in the year it

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will have these twirls of 
fuchsia colored berries

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around the stem. 
A lot of people see these

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on the edges of woods and 
the fruits are also

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eaten by songbirds. 
This is a cluster of

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purple disk sunflowers. 
They haven't put up their

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flowering scape, yet, but 
when they do later on

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they will have small 
sunflower type flowers.

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And at that time, later in 
the year, the native

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pollinators will be 
swarming to them as well.

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And we shouldn't forget 
about our native grasses.

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This is little bluestem, 
one of several we planted

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in this garden. 
And it makes a great

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alternative to some of 
the non-native invasive

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species that have been 
brought in over the

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years for landscaping, 
such as Chinese silver

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grass from this campus. 
So, consider using native

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grasses when you can. 
They put down a very deep

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root system, which makes 
the drought tolerant and

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they do very well. 
This plant is a chinquapin,

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a close relative 
of our American chestnut.

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It's in the same genus, 
castanea and it also

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produces a fruit similar 
to a chestnut, except

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smaller, black, 
encased in a prickly burr

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it's almost impossible to 
get through until it

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splits open. 
Once it opens, the

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wildlife really zone 
in on it.

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You can see some of the 
flowers on this

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chinquapin that 
have turned brown

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and hopefully they've 
already been pollinated.

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Some part of the top 
inflorescence is still

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white. 
Well, thank you for taking

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the time to take a little 
tour of our yard. I hope

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you found it informative 
and enjoyable.

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And remember if you've 
got any questions about

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landscaping for wildlife 
on your property, you can

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always give us a call at 
one of the Extension offices.

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I'm in the Lee 
County office in Bishopville,

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I'll be glad to talk 
with you, any time.

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I hope you have a great day.

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TJ. has a fascinating

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landscape and I think we 
should all try to emulate

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planting things that 
don't just bring joy to

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us but also nourish 
the animals that live

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around us in the 
environment.

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Terasa I think that you've 
got a question that might

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be a good one for Zack. 
I sure do. You know certain

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plants perform better in 
South Carolina than

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others. For example, a 
tomato that I might have

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really enjoyed growing in 
my home state of New York might

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not do so well in 
the climate here in South

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Carolina. How exactly do 
we determined the best

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varieties to grow here? 
Well goodness. I guess one

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thing is that we have 
research stations

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scattered around the 
state because we have a

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lot of different areas of 
growth here. You know.

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It varies, the zones and all. 
Zack, you're down there in

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the coast where things 
are warmer.

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You do things with 
variety trials. And how does

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that reflect and how does 
that help our farmers?

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So, you have to do 
variety trials that are

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region specific because 
as Terasa mentioned,

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certain things do well in 
certain areas of the state.

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And they don't do well in

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other areas of the state 
even though

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we're a really small state. 
Luckily for me,

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I'm working a lot with the 
coastal research center.

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My brother works out 
there. So, it's a lot easier

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to get space out 
there to do research

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trials now than 
it used to be.

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but I work with a lot of 
industry, a lot of seed

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companies, 
doing variety trials on

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the varieties that are, 
what we call standard

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varieties, and then some 
of the varieties that might

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be you know a little bit 
different or a little bit

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more unique or something 
that may be a chef

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or someone at a farmers 
market is looking for.

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So, I really like to try 
to stay on top of you

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know what the industry is 
putting out well as

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far as new varieties and 
colors and tastes

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and shapes and textures and 
what not.

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And so it's really cool 
to have these research

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plots at the station. 
This past year, I did a

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pepper trial. So, peppers 
are really a cool thing to

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grow up for farmers, 
especially you know,

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this time of year when 
nothing else other than okra

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is coming in. And so

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the restaurant's really 
like peppers. Shishito

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peppers are a really hot 
item, right now. And so I

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tried a couple different 
varieties of those from a

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couple of different seed 
companies.

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And what I do is I 
grow them out, and I'll share

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them with the farmers and I'll 
taste them for myself,

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but then I also share 
plants and seeds with the

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local farmers. And so they 
get a hands on experience

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of okay I'm growing this 
Shishito pepper

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compared to my old 
variety. This new variety

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might be more productive 
or might yield more. Or it

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might come in later in 
the season when nothing

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else is. And so it really 
gives them a firsthand

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chance to try some of 
these things that I'm

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trying as well. And so Zack 
one of the things

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that I think 
happens is that in

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Charleston, where 
people sometimes are

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farming on a smaller 
acreage, they need to grow

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some of these specialty 
crops that they can

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ask a higher price for 
because of these high end

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restaurants that are 
there. And so you can

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sometimes keep them from 
making a mistake.

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Perhaps, they thought they might 
want to grow one thing

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and you said boy I tried 
that and it just didn't

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really work much for me. 
Is that one of the things

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that comes out of 
your work sometimes?

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Absolutely! And a good 
example is you know

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arugula. We hear a lot of 
arugula for salads down

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here in the restaurants. 
It's a really

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high price item. But, you 
know once arugula kind of

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caught on, everybody started 
growing the same variety

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of arugula. So this past 
year I did a variety

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trial and I had six 
different varieties.

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Well, it's all arugula but you 
know some are a little

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spicier. Some have a 
different shape, a different

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texture, a different 
crisp. And so you know

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growing those, seeing that 
I saw that two varieties

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just did not do well at 
all. And so knowing that

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and having that knowledge, 
I can pass that along to

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farmers when they ask. 'Hey! 
How does this variety of'

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'arugula do?' Well, 
it didn't do that well

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for us and you know 
getting creative with it

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on a small scale, not 
growing that one variety,

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but growing maybe four or 
five different varieties and

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bagging them together, That way 
you have a nice mix or

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something. And so you know 
really small nuances like

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that. But, the key is 
to stay ahead of it by

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trying these new 
varieties and being aware

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of them really before 
they become mainstream.

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That's interesting 
because the last time I

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was in the store they 
were two bags of arugula

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and one was regular instead 
of organic arugula.

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The other one was 
wild arugula.

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I got one of each 
because I thought well

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this is fun and I wanted 
to see what the

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differences were. So, Zack 
I know sometimes since

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you're such a skilful 
grower that you have

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some extra produce. And what 
do you do with that?

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Well, I like to 
try the produce myself

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00:24:48,353 --> 00:24:51,523
because you know 
part of it is what does

476
00:24:51,623 --> 00:24:53,792
it taste like? It's not 
worth anything if it

477
00:24:53,892 --> 00:24:56,361
doesn't taste good. So, 
you know there's only so

478
00:24:56,461 --> 00:24:59,130
many peppers or squash or 
you know salads may have

479
00:24:59,231 --> 00:25:02,367
arugula. So, I share with 
the research station, the

480
00:25:02,467 --> 00:25:05,136
the people that work out 
there. And then I'll take

481
00:25:05,237 --> 00:25:08,440
the leftovers to the 
local food bank.

482
00:25:08,540 --> 00:25:11,710
There's one on James island 
where I live that I take it to.

483
00:25:11,810 --> 00:25:14,012
And they're very 
grateful for the things

484
00:25:14,112 --> 00:25:16,281
that you know we're 
taking them and they

485
00:25:16,381 --> 00:25:18,516
can really do a 
good deed for the public

486
00:25:18,617 --> 00:25:20,352
by providing them 
fresh fruits and

487
00:25:20,452 --> 00:25:22,888
vegetables. 
A lot of times, the food

488
00:25:22,988 --> 00:25:25,190
banks, you know, people 
donate a lot of pantry

489
00:25:25,290 --> 00:25:27,826
items. And it's kind of 
rare that they get fresh

490
00:25:27,926 --> 00:25:30,161
local produce that they can 
give to the people

491
00:25:30,262 --> 00:25:32,697
who come there and shop.

492
00:25:32,797 --> 00:25:36,701
It's been very rewarding 
taking produce to them

493
00:25:36,801 --> 00:25:39,037
and getting to know the 
people that work there

494
00:25:39,137 --> 00:25:41,439
and the people that visit 
regularly. I would

495
00:25:41,539 --> 00:25:43,508
encourage anybody you 
don't think you have

496
00:25:43,608 --> 00:25:46,411
to have a farm 
or a hundred acres to

497
00:25:46,511 --> 00:25:49,381
grow food for a food bank. A 
lot of the churches, the

498
00:25:49,481 --> 00:25:52,551
local crisis ministries, 
they're really small

499
00:25:52,651 --> 00:25:55,587
operations. So, they 
might need smaller

500
00:25:55,687 --> 00:25:57,789
volumes. And so that's 
what's been nice about

501
00:25:57,889 --> 00:26:00,692
working with the one on 
James Island is you know

502
00:26:00,792 --> 00:26:02,160
they don't need 
truckloads of stuff.

503
00:26:02,260 --> 00:26:05,363
They need you know half a 
bag of this, half a bag of

504
00:26:05,463 --> 00:26:08,033
that. And so it's been 
nice being able to take

505
00:26:08,133 --> 00:26:11,236
stuff to them each week. 
Well, Zack I loved hearing

506
00:26:11,336 --> 00:26:13,405
about what you're doing. 
It sounds like you're

507
00:26:13,505 --> 00:26:16,141
finding ways to help a 
multitude of people and

508
00:26:16,241 --> 00:26:18,810
we thank you for all of 
the good service to the

509
00:26:18,910 --> 00:26:23,081
State of South Carolina. 
Thank you. Amy Dabbs is the

510
00:26:23,181 --> 00:26:26,251
coordinator for the school 
and community gardening

511
00:26:26,351 --> 00:26:29,988
program that goes on. And 
goodness gracious.

512
00:26:30,088 --> 00:26:31,990
She just needs 95 
different hats because

513
00:26:32,090 --> 00:26:35,527
this is a very complex 
but wonderful program.

514
00:26:35,627 --> 00:26:38,596
Because we are ensuring 
that we will raise a new

515
00:26:38,697 --> 00:26:41,333
generation of people 
interested in gardening

516
00:26:41,433 --> 00:27:01,019
and in fresh produce in 
South Carolina.

517
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,189
I speaking with Amy Dabbs. 
Amy and I met when she

518
00:27:04,289 --> 00:27:08,326
was a horticulture agent 
and I was too. We both

519
00:27:08,426 --> 00:27:10,629
are doing different things 
now. Tell us about your

520
00:27:10,729 --> 00:27:13,498
new job and why it 
brings such joy to your

521
00:27:13,598 --> 00:27:16,634
life. 
Thanks Amanda.

522
00:27:16,735 --> 00:27:19,037
So I am still doing horticulture 
work but I'm

523
00:27:19,137 --> 00:27:21,406
now statewide and I'm 
coordinating school and

524
00:27:21,506 --> 00:27:24,976
community gardening.

525
00:27:25,076 --> 00:27:27,679
I can remember when they 
would always be a teacher

526
00:27:27,779 --> 00:27:30,081
who would call the extension 
office

527
00:27:30,181 --> 00:27:32,917
and want to start a 
garden and it is usually

528
00:27:33,018 --> 00:27:35,720
one person and they would 
it be too big and they

529
00:27:35,820 --> 00:27:38,823
would get you know worn 
out. And it just seemed

530
00:27:38,923 --> 00:27:41,493
like and then that person 
would leave and then they

531
00:27:41,593 --> 00:27:44,396
have this place 
that was full of weeds.

532
00:27:44,496 --> 00:27:47,365
And is that kind of what 
led to the need to have

533
00:27:47,465 --> 00:27:49,734
kind of a framework and 
some guidance for these

534
00:27:49,834 --> 00:27:54,272
teachers? It absolutely did. 
One Spring, many

535
00:27:54,372 --> 00:27:57,509
years ago, we had a little 
water cooler conversation

536
00:27:57,609 --> 00:27:59,978
and several agents down 
in the Charleston office

537
00:28:00,078 --> 00:28:03,081
and I we counted up at 
least just our memory

538
00:28:03,181 --> 00:28:06,785
between us 40 to 50 
calls that we had

539
00:28:06,885 --> 00:28:09,721
gotten in the last you 
know six months about

540
00:28:09,821 --> 00:28:12,690
teachers wanting to garden 
and really not knowing

541
00:28:12,791 --> 00:28:16,394
where to start. And 
you're right. It often

542
00:28:16,494 --> 00:28:18,997
starts with kind of a 
really big idea with a

543
00:28:19,097 --> 00:28:21,433
little you know maybe a 
little out lack of

544
00:28:21,533 --> 00:28:24,302
knowledge or you know 
sort of a lack of

545
00:28:24,402 --> 00:28:27,072
confidence 
about how to get started

546
00:28:27,172 --> 00:28:29,774
with a vegetable garden 
for students to

547
00:28:29,874 --> 00:28:32,610
grow their own food in. 
So, yeah we were

548
00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:37,649
able through some initial 
funding from

549
00:28:37,749 --> 00:28:39,984
Boeing South Carolina in 
partnership with the College of

550
00:28:40,085 --> 00:28:42,220
Charleston. 
Back in 2012, we

551
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,622
were able to start a 
school gardening for

552
00:28:44,722 --> 00:28:48,059
South Carolina educators 
program. And it kind of

553
00:28:48,159 --> 00:28:50,462
pulled some of the best 
elements as you mentioned

554
00:28:50,562 --> 00:28:52,964
from the master gardener 
program. You know we just

555
00:28:53,064 --> 00:28:56,034
moved the course online 
back then. And so that was

556
00:28:56,134 --> 00:28:59,104
sort of fresh in our mind.

557
00:28:59,204 --> 00:29:01,539
You know, most teachers 
are very busy people.

558
00:29:01,639 --> 00:29:04,542
They have a lot on their plate. 
And we really wanted to

559
00:29:04,642 --> 00:29:07,345
just break it down for 
them

560
00:29:07,445 --> 00:29:09,647
where they could garden 
successfully with their

561
00:29:09,747 --> 00:29:13,985
students with as little 
guesswork as possible.

562
00:29:14,085 --> 00:29:17,155
That was the main the 
main goal. So, that's how

563
00:29:17,255 --> 00:29:20,225
we did it. Amy, you first had to

564
00:29:20,325 --> 00:29:23,061
come up with the 
curriculum that would fit

565
00:29:23,161 --> 00:29:26,264
school standards and also 
incorporate the

566
00:29:26,364 --> 00:29:28,967
horticultural basics so 
that they could be

567
00:29:29,067 --> 00:29:32,704
successful. So, how did 
y'all meld those two needs?

568
00:29:32,804 --> 00:29:36,908
Well, it sort of all came 
together. Fortunately,

569
00:29:37,008 --> 00:29:38,810
Zack Snipes, on our 
commercial horticulture

570
00:29:38,910 --> 00:29:42,580
team and I worked together 
on some seasonal planting

571
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,649
guides and calendars that 
are more like the

572
00:29:44,749 --> 00:29:47,385
technical guides. 
Teachers sign up for the

573
00:29:47,485 --> 00:29:50,188
online course. They get 
two books. They get a

574
00:29:50,288 --> 00:29:52,290
seasonal planting 
guide and calendar

575
00:29:52,390 --> 00:29:55,560
and then they get a curriculum. 
It's a K

576
00:29:55,660 --> 00:29:58,963
through eight curriculum, 
called Stem in the Garden.

577
00:29:59,063 --> 00:30:01,533
It is aligned to South 
Carolina state teaching

578
00:30:01,633 --> 00:30:04,002
standards for grades 
kindergarten through

579
00:30:04,102 --> 00:30:07,539
eighth grade, although it 
has been

580
00:30:07,639 --> 00:30:09,741
utilized by teachers and 
other grades who've been

581
00:30:09,841 --> 00:30:12,677
able to kind of make it 
fit for older kids or younger

582
00:30:12,777 --> 00:30:15,113
kids. You know if they are 
trying to work something

583
00:30:15,213 --> 00:30:18,783
in. And so far the 
response has been amazing.

584
00:30:18,883 --> 00:30:21,085
So, the cost of the 
class is $25

585
00:30:21,186 --> 00:30:24,022
per one teacher. 
And they get both

586
00:30:24,122 --> 00:30:27,225
books, the planting guide and 
the curriculum. What we

587
00:30:27,325 --> 00:30:30,295
really prefer however is 
a group or team of three

588
00:30:30,395 --> 00:30:33,097
teachers to take the course. 
We want to build

589
00:30:33,198 --> 00:30:35,466
sustainability into a 
school garden from the

590
00:30:35,567 --> 00:30:38,036
beginning. They take 
it online and then have

591
00:30:38,136 --> 00:30:40,972
some 
hands on instruction and

592
00:30:41,072 --> 00:30:43,508
how long does it take. 
Can they usually

593
00:30:43,608 --> 00:30:47,679
fit it in their schedule? 
Exactly yes!

594
00:30:47,779 --> 00:30:51,149
It's a five week class. It is 
asynchronous, self paced,

595
00:30:51,249 --> 00:30:54,285
so modules open every 
week. And each week we hit

596
00:30:54,385 --> 00:30:57,422
a different topic. 
Teachers or educators

597
00:30:57,522 --> 00:31:00,592
who are in the course, will 
do a reading, watch a

598
00:31:00,692 --> 00:31:04,262
video, 
answer discussion

599
00:31:04,362 --> 00:31:06,698
questions, maybe do 
something at the

600
00:31:06,798 --> 00:31:09,400
school, like complete 
checklist that we have in

601
00:31:09,500 --> 00:31:12,036
the workbook that they can go 
through and make sure

602
00:31:12,136 --> 00:31:14,572
they sort of thought through 
the process. And then we

603
00:31:14,672 --> 00:31:16,841
culminate with an in- 
person training. And this

604
00:31:16,941 --> 00:31:19,677
is almost a day long 
workshop.

605
00:31:19,777 --> 00:31:22,947
So much fun. It's 
really a confidence

606
00:31:23,047 --> 00:31:27,085
builder. It's a great time. 
We get together and we

607
00:31:27,185 --> 00:31:30,054
love to see the faces of 
these teachers that we

608
00:31:30,154 --> 00:31:32,724
only seen online 
for five weeks. But, I

609
00:31:32,824 --> 00:31:34,993
think what it does is it 
gives everybody the

610
00:31:35,093 --> 00:31:37,195
clear understanding that 
Clemson Extension is

611
00:31:37,295 --> 00:31:39,497
there for them. There are 
so many resources

612
00:31:39,597 --> 00:31:42,300
available to school 
learners across the state,

613
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,037
not just within our 
organization. We often

614
00:31:46,137 --> 00:31:48,206
have guest speakers from 
different groups around

615
00:31:48,306 --> 00:31:50,908
the state, South Carolina 
Farm Bureau, Ag in the

616
00:31:51,009 --> 00:31:53,544
Classroom, their 
wonderful coordinator

617
00:31:53,645 --> 00:31:56,648
Ms. Kelly is a 
frequent guest speaker

618
00:31:56,748 --> 00:31:59,350
because teachers love to 
incorporate reading into

619
00:31:59,450 --> 00:32:01,486
their school learning 
curriculum. She's got so

620
00:32:01,586 --> 00:32:06,691
many agriculturally accurate 
books that works so well

621
00:32:06,791 --> 00:32:11,129
with school garden topics. 
We also invite Ben Sease

622
00:32:11,229 --> 00:32:13,731
from the South Carolina 
Farm to School program.

623
00:32:13,831 --> 00:32:16,567
He's with the Office 
of School Nutrition.

624
00:32:16,668 --> 00:32:19,170
He comes and talks about 
grant opportunities

625
00:32:19,270 --> 00:32:21,072
across the state and 
beyond, even

626
00:32:21,172 --> 00:32:23,207
larger these bigger 
regional grants that are

627
00:32:23,308 --> 00:32:27,445
available. And we just you 
know the 4-H team is

628
00:32:27,545 --> 00:32:30,114
always in attendance. 
Sumter is always a 4-H

629
00:32:30,214 --> 00:32:32,583
Extension Agent at one of 
our workshops to really

630
00:32:32,684 --> 00:32:35,687
help teachers 
understand that one:

631
00:32:35,787 --> 00:32:37,322
there are so many 
resources available.

632
00:32:37,422 --> 00:32:40,858
And two: to model some of the 
curriculum.

633
00:32:40,958 --> 00:32:43,094
We actually will bring worms 
from our work

634
00:32:43,194 --> 00:32:45,963
compost bin and that's 
a big part of our

635
00:32:46,064 --> 00:32:48,399
curriculum is we really 
want to teach those

636
00:32:48,499 --> 00:32:51,436
cycles of life within 
and without of the

637
00:32:51,536 --> 00:32:54,072
garden, the connections. 
Teachers have such a hard

638
00:32:54,172 --> 00:32:56,140
time even getting paper 
towels sometimes with

639
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:00,378
the classroom. And I think you 
all have assembled a new

640
00:33:00,478 --> 00:33:06,017
really remarkably 
foolproof system.

641
00:33:06,117 --> 00:33:08,920
I believe that you can 
deliver kind

642
00:33:09,020 --> 00:33:11,989
of a train of raised beds 
to fit together.

643
00:33:12,090 --> 00:33:14,425
You don't even need a 
screwdriver. And then a

644
00:33:14,525 --> 00:33:18,996
remarkable assembly of 
the products to fill this

645
00:33:19,097 --> 00:33:23,167
bed with. And you even 
teach lasagna gardening.

646
00:33:23,267 --> 00:33:26,571
So, let's talk a little 
bit about how these boxes

647
00:33:26,671 --> 00:33:29,040
fit together and then 
what all you provide to

648
00:33:29,140 --> 00:33:32,076
school in mid 
months and all that.

649
00:33:32,176 --> 00:33:34,879
And then the lasagna 
gardening aspect of it,

650
00:33:34,979 --> 00:33:38,683
which is just a wonderful 
way to garden. Thank you.

651
00:33:38,783 --> 00:33:41,486
This has been really one 
of the biggest obstacles

652
00:33:41,586 --> 00:33:44,055
as you mentioned, sourcing 
material.

653
00:33:44,155 --> 00:33:47,091
A lot of times educators or 
even school district will

654
00:33:47,191 --> 00:33:50,495
get grants. But finding 
the time to research the

655
00:33:50,595 --> 00:33:53,297
right materials, 
get them ordered in and

656
00:33:53,398 --> 00:33:55,933
have them delivered to 
school or obtained for the

657
00:33:56,033 --> 00:33:57,635
school can be just so 
time consuming.

658
00:33:57,735 --> 00:34:00,371
We thought you know one of 
the things we can do

659
00:34:00,471 --> 00:34:02,573
since we're out in the 
county you know during

660
00:34:02,673 --> 00:34:06,811
the work, we can put 
together a kit that is

661
00:34:06,911 --> 00:34:10,982
like you said very simple. 
We have raised beds there

662
00:34:11,082 --> 00:34:13,451
for raised beds that fit 
together in the end to

663
00:34:13,551 --> 00:34:17,488
make a sixteen foot long 
bed. And within those four

664
00:34:17,588 --> 00:34:19,724
beds the crops that are 
planted in them are

665
00:34:19,824 --> 00:34:23,027
rotated and so 
that we can have as

666
00:34:23,127 --> 00:34:25,930
successful a garden as we 
can.

667
00:34:26,030 --> 00:34:29,066
It includes all the fill. 
And as you mentioned, we do

668
00:34:29,167 --> 00:34:33,104
teach lasagna gardening, or 
sheet composting.

669
00:34:33,204 --> 00:34:34,972
This is so fascinating 
because we're basically

670
00:34:35,072 --> 00:34:37,508
teaching kids how to make 
their own soil and they

671
00:34:37,608 --> 00:34:40,311
gets to you even save 
food scraps to put in the

672
00:34:40,411 --> 00:34:43,047
layer to show how we can 
recycle nutrients things

673
00:34:43,147 --> 00:34:45,483
that would normally go to 
the landfill can become

674
00:34:45,583 --> 00:34:48,619
part of the food system and 
they are participating in.

675
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,123
So it has 
just been very

676
00:34:52,223 --> 00:34:54,692
enlightening. A lot of the 
teachers say 'I never thought'

677
00:34:54,792 --> 00:34:57,094
'about this as 
being a way to garden.

678
00:34:57,195 --> 00:34:59,363
So then they'll go back 
into their own homes,

679
00:34:59,464 --> 00:35:01,732
which as an extension 
agent that reach

680
00:35:01,833 --> 00:35:04,435
is just, it's 
incredible when somebody takes

681
00:35:04,535 --> 00:35:06,204
something you teach that 
in one moment

682
00:35:06,304 --> 00:35:09,474
and applies it down the line. 
That is exciting.

683
00:35:09,574 --> 00:35:12,877
With the planting 
guides, y'all even source

684
00:35:12,977 --> 00:35:16,581
the transplants and have 
them delivered to the

685
00:35:16,681 --> 00:35:19,584
school at the appropriate 
time of year I believe. Yes.

686
00:35:19,684 --> 00:35:22,954
we have 
two amazing groups that

687
00:35:23,054 --> 00:35:26,724
we work with. We work with 
botanical interest seeds

688
00:35:26,824 --> 00:35:29,026
and Bonnie plants. And 
they're just so generous

689
00:35:29,127 --> 00:35:33,064
to donate materials to 
our school garden program.

690
00:35:33,164 --> 00:35:36,334
We pull out all the seeds 
that the teacher or the school

691
00:35:36,434 --> 00:35:38,903
garden will need and we 
send those for the entire

692
00:35:39,003 --> 00:35:42,573
year in one package. We 
deliver transplants four

693
00:35:42,673 --> 00:35:45,810
times a year and, I 
have to tell you, I can't

694
00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:49,547
do this - we can not do this 
without everybody in this

695
00:35:49,647 --> 00:35:52,750
system, from the 
horticulture agents, you

696
00:35:52,850 --> 00:35:55,286
know, in the county 
offices, the forestry

697
00:35:55,386 --> 00:35:58,222
agents, the rural health 
extension agent, the

698
00:35:58,322 --> 00:36:01,158
master gardeners, 
pretty much anybody I

699
00:36:01,259 --> 00:36:03,261
could rope into 
delivering a little

700
00:36:03,361 --> 00:36:06,998
basket of kale. Whatever 
it is, she was

701
00:36:07,098 --> 00:36:09,600
school near them, they do. 
And I we've really been

702
00:36:09,700 --> 00:36:12,470
overwhelmed by the 
response to these

703
00:36:12,570 --> 00:36:17,708
requests that no nobody 
resists but you know the

704
00:36:17,808 --> 00:36:20,311
opportunity to drop this 
off. Because you just you

705
00:36:20,411 --> 00:36:22,346
just get 
this huge

706
00:36:22,446 --> 00:36:25,016
satisfaction from 
dropping these plants off.

707
00:36:25,116 --> 00:36:27,852
We include a planting 
sheet with each crop,

708
00:36:27,952 --> 00:36:30,454
reminding them what 
bed it goes in so that

709
00:36:30,555 --> 00:36:33,257
their crop rotations 
stay intact.

710
00:36:33,357 --> 00:36:37,595
Little tips and hints of 
what to do and yeah

711
00:36:37,695 --> 00:36:41,332
it's been a very fun 
project to run.

712
00:36:41,432 --> 00:36:45,069
More importantly, when we get 
emails from the teacher

713
00:36:45,169 --> 00:36:47,939
of the crop that just get 
harvested and this that

714
00:36:48,039 --> 00:36:50,274
the looks on the kids 
faces. I mean they

715
00:36:50,374 --> 00:36:53,344
grow the most amazing carrots 
in those raised beds.

716
00:36:53,444 --> 00:36:56,080
Because you know South Carolina 
soils are not always

717
00:36:56,180 --> 00:36:58,583
great for carrots, 
especially those planting soils.

718
00:36:58,683 --> 00:37:01,285
So, when they pull these 
rainbow carrots out of

719
00:37:01,385 --> 00:37:04,021
the ground, I mean it's 
just, it's amazing.

720
00:37:04,121 --> 00:37:06,857
They do some really fun 
things with them too.

721
00:37:06,958 --> 00:37:09,260
But what does happen 
to the vegetables when

722
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,495
they're harvested? Do they go to 
the cafeteria?

723
00:37:11,596 --> 00:37:13,965
Did the children take them 
home?

724
00:37:14,065 --> 00:37:16,968
Does it depends from 
school to school? Yes to all

725
00:37:17,068 --> 00:37:21,138
of that. We have examples 
of all of that and more. A

726
00:37:21,238 --> 00:37:23,708
lot of schools will use 
some of the produce in

727
00:37:23,808 --> 00:37:26,978
the cafeteria. They do 
taste tests, especially

728
00:37:27,078 --> 00:37:29,313
with the younger kids. 
They do the yum, yuck

729
00:37:29,413 --> 00:37:32,049
test where they do 
smiley faces on the

730
00:37:32,149 --> 00:37:34,986
grass or a frowny face if they 
don't like it.

731
00:37:35,086 --> 00:37:37,254
But it's been it's 
been exciting to see kids

732
00:37:37,355 --> 00:37:39,290
try something that they 
grown. Maybe something that

733
00:37:39,390 --> 00:37:43,628
they wouldn't normally 
eat like kale or

734
00:37:43,728 --> 00:37:46,430
you know radishes or 
things like that.

735
00:37:46,530 --> 00:37:48,733
That is exciting. 
Amy, you

736
00:37:48,833 --> 00:37:52,103
started this when you 
were at the Botanical

737
00:37:52,203 --> 00:37:54,905
Garden. You've been 
working with children and

738
00:37:55,006 --> 00:37:58,976
gardening for a long time.

739
00:37:59,076 --> 00:38:01,812
I know it really is an 
important part of your

740
00:38:01,912 --> 00:38:04,715
soul and your 
consciousness.

741
00:38:04,815 --> 00:38:08,686
What do you hope 
twenty years from now

742
00:38:08,786 --> 00:38:10,721
some of these children 
who participated?

743
00:38:10,821 --> 00:38:14,525
What's your dream for them, Amy?

744
00:38:14,625 --> 00:38:17,895
Well, my dream for them is 
that they will enjoy

745
00:38:17,995 --> 00:38:21,499
learning as much as you 
and I do. And all the people

746
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:24,135
that we around all the 
time. I mean we we're

747
00:38:24,235 --> 00:38:26,203
around a bunch of 
gardening nerds all the

748
00:38:26,303 --> 00:38:28,806
time. All we 
talk about is plants.

749
00:38:28,906 --> 00:38:31,776
But on a bigger scale really 
you know the horticulture

750
00:38:31,876 --> 00:38:35,246
and agriculture industry 
is aging. We're not able

751
00:38:35,346 --> 00:38:38,115
to fill all the jobs that 
are out there, which is

752
00:38:38,215 --> 00:38:39,884
shame. Because you know 
that does are

753
00:38:39,984 --> 00:38:43,254
some really good jobs. They're 
very fulfilling. People who are

754
00:38:43,354 --> 00:38:45,623
in this industry always have 
jobs. We always have

755
00:38:45,723 --> 00:38:48,693
work. It maybe 
back-breaking some days and

756
00:38:48,793 --> 00:38:52,129
hot. But, usually it's very 
rewarding and can be

757
00:38:52,229 --> 00:38:54,732
quite lucrative depending 
on what you know you're

758
00:38:54,832 --> 00:38:57,034
not doing. So, I really 
just want kids to

759
00:38:57,134 --> 00:38:59,837
understand that there are 
opportunities out there.

760
00:38:59,937 --> 00:39:02,273
And I think that starts 
with you know planting

761
00:39:02,373 --> 00:39:05,810
a seed and really being 
overtaken by that moment

762
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:08,913
of awe where you realize 
that seed equates to that

763
00:39:09,013 --> 00:39:11,048
rainbow carrot. 
You know that you did

764
00:39:11,148 --> 00:39:13,350
that and you can do it 
for yourself.

765
00:39:13,451 --> 00:39:15,886
You know it's very 
empowering to be able to grow

766
00:39:15,986 --> 00:39:17,722
your own food and 
particularly for our

767
00:39:17,822 --> 00:39:20,424
students across the state 
and beyond who maybe are

768
00:39:20,524 --> 00:39:23,260
not in control of their 
day to day circumstances.

769
00:39:23,361 --> 00:39:26,497
You know, maybe there's 
not always food

770
00:39:26,597 --> 00:39:28,632
ready. I mean how 
incredible would that be

771
00:39:28,733 --> 00:39:31,001
to be able to go home 
and grow food.

772
00:39:31,102 --> 00:39:33,237
Just like the teachers are 
doing. They're taking

773
00:39:33,337 --> 00:39:35,639
these lessons home. 
They're gardening for their

774
00:39:35,740 --> 00:39:38,075
own families and we hope 
that the kids will start

775
00:39:38,175 --> 00:39:42,580
to do the same thing. So 
we are huge I think a

776
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,348
huge interest in 
gardening in particularly

777
00:39:44,448 --> 00:39:47,017
right now. You know people 
are really responding to,

778
00:39:47,118 --> 00:39:50,921
you know, pressures 
and you know stressors in

779
00:39:51,021 --> 00:39:55,226
the world by gardening. And, 
you know, just from a physical

780
00:39:55,326 --> 00:39:57,561
and nutrition level but 
all the way to more like

781
00:39:57,661 --> 00:40:00,464
you mentioned a more 
spiritual and just mental

782
00:40:00,564 --> 00:40:03,334
health release is to be 
able to go out and garden.

783
00:40:03,434 --> 00:40:05,536
Amy if people want to 
know more about this

784
00:40:05,636 --> 00:40:08,038
fascinating program, 
what's the best way to

785
00:40:08,139 --> 00:40:11,475
learn and get involved? 
Yeah, they can

786
00:40:11,575 --> 00:40:15,613
email me at 
adabbs@clemson.edu and I

787
00:40:15,713 --> 00:40:17,348
will get right back with 
them.

788
00:40:17,448 --> 00:40:19,884
Well, I hope that 
there will be a lot more

789
00:40:19,984 --> 00:40:22,820
hands in the dirt in the 
days and years to come in

790
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,889
South Carolina schools. 
And thank you and your

791
00:40:24,989 --> 00:40:28,259
team all this great work. 
Thank you, Amanda.

792
00:40:28,359 --> 00:40:52,283
♪

793
00:40:52,383 --> 00:40:54,885
Amy really is working a 
lot down there.

794
00:40:54,985 --> 00:40:58,222
Zack's been helping her a 
lot out too. So, it's one

795
00:40:58,322 --> 00:41:00,057
nice thing about 
Clemson is, everybody's

796
00:41:00,157 --> 00:41:02,726
pretty good about jumping 
in when you need a hand

797
00:41:02,827 --> 00:41:05,262
and Amy needs a lot 
of hands, because as you

798
00:41:05,362 --> 00:41:09,533
know working with school 
children, takes a lot of hands.

799
00:41:09,633 --> 00:41:11,802
I decided to make a 
socially distance hat.

800
00:41:11,902 --> 00:41:14,738
I had some okra that I was 
just going to use for

801
00:41:14,839 --> 00:41:16,674
flower arrangements and 
then I decided

802
00:41:16,774 --> 00:41:19,777
that I would make a hat 
today that I'm calling my

803
00:41:19,877 --> 00:41:23,214
warding off the COVID hat. 
So, I must say it's a

804
00:41:23,314 --> 00:41:25,382
little uncomfortable. I 
wish I had eaten this

805
00:41:25,482 --> 00:41:27,918
okra when it was 
teeny tiny. But anyway,

806
00:41:28,018 --> 00:41:30,821
it did make a fun I hope 
what you will consider

807
00:41:30,921 --> 00:41:34,091
kind of a fun hat and I'm 
okra is one of the things

808
00:41:34,191 --> 00:41:36,627
that is pretty easy to 
grow. Terasa, I know that

809
00:41:36,727 --> 00:41:38,729
people are using 
extension more than ever.

810
00:41:38,829 --> 00:41:41,632
And I bet you've got 
another question for us.

811
00:41:41,732 --> 00:41:45,135
I do, Amanda. You know Fall 
is really the best time

812
00:41:45,236 --> 00:41:47,938
to add new plants to the 
landscape. And it's right

813
00:41:48,038 --> 00:41:49,974
around the corner at 
least according to the

814
00:41:50,074 --> 00:41:53,010
calendar. We've got lots 
of great fact sheets on

815
00:41:53,110 --> 00:41:55,379
our home and garden 
information center. But

816
00:41:55,479 --> 00:41:57,715
our viewers would also 
like our personal

817
00:41:57,815 --> 00:42:02,086
recommendations. Aha! Well 
up in Abbeville I think

818
00:42:02,186 --> 00:42:06,223
that Adam is trying to 
personalize his little

819
00:42:06,323 --> 00:42:09,059
piece of the world there. 
Adam, what are some plants

820
00:42:09,159 --> 00:42:12,396
that you recommend people 
think about installing?

821
00:42:12,496 --> 00:42:14,698
Thank you, Amanda. Well, 
there's one that I will

822
00:42:14,798 --> 00:42:18,135
talk about and it might 
be my favorite landscape

823
00:42:18,235 --> 00:42:21,538
plant. 
I talk about grass a

824
00:42:21,639 --> 00:42:24,909
lot but if we're gonna talk 
landscaped shrubbery, the

825
00:42:25,009 --> 00:42:27,945
one plant I fell in love 
with in 2009

826
00:42:28,045 --> 00:42:33,384
is a fragrant tea olive. 
During this time of year

827
00:42:33,484 --> 00:42:36,086
based around October, 
November, they get this

828
00:42:36,186 --> 00:42:39,957
very sweet smelling 
little white flower.

829
00:42:40,057 --> 00:42:43,060
That smell on the right 
day can just carry for

830
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,430
miles. 
So, I really love those

831
00:42:46,530 --> 00:42:50,234
plants. I planted them. I 
plant three in my yard in

832
00:42:50,334 --> 00:42:53,904
the past year. 
And the nice thing I like

833
00:42:54,004 --> 00:42:57,174
about this is, you've got 
varieties that can stay

834
00:42:57,274 --> 00:43:00,911
four to six feet tall or 
you can get some of these

835
00:43:01,011 --> 00:43:04,448
larger varieties that 
look more like a tree.

836
00:43:04,548 --> 00:43:07,818
And they are resistant to 
most of the pests

837
00:43:07,918 --> 00:43:11,522
that some of our other 
landscape trees can find.

838
00:43:11,622 --> 00:43:15,092
So they're resistant to 
our weather,

839
00:43:15,192 --> 00:43:19,663
resistant to our pests. 
For a plant that you

840
00:43:19,763 --> 00:43:23,067
want to be able to smell, 
it's just a all out

841
00:43:23,167 --> 00:43:25,803
winner. Plus, you can get 
different colors of

842
00:43:25,903 --> 00:43:29,473
flowers. 
With us being Clemson

843
00:43:29,573 --> 00:43:31,742
there are orange flowers, 
but typically what you

844
00:43:31,842 --> 00:43:34,712
see are the creams 
to a white color.

845
00:43:34,812 --> 00:43:36,880
Really it's the smell 
that just hits you.

846
00:43:36,981 --> 00:43:39,650
It's almost like having a 
gardenia in October. They

847
00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:43,954
are incredibly fragrant. 
But it's funny, Adam.

848
00:43:44,054 --> 00:43:46,624
Sometimes, the ones that 
are close to my house and

849
00:43:46,724 --> 00:43:49,426
I planted some big ones. 
And I planted them too close.

850
00:43:49,526 --> 00:43:51,996
I'm going to remind 
people to be sure that they've

851
00:43:52,096 --> 00:43:54,765
got one of the old 
fashioned ones to give it room.

852
00:43:54,865 --> 00:43:57,334
Sometimes it's 
just dramatically

853
00:43:57,434 --> 00:43:59,636
fragrant and then one day 
it's like it's just

854
00:43:59,737 --> 00:44:02,840
decided to put a stop on 
the bottle for a day or

855
00:44:02,940 --> 00:44:05,776
two. Have you ever noticed 
that? Yes ma'am. If only

856
00:44:05,876 --> 00:44:08,245
I could just keep it going 
all year long.

857
00:44:08,345 --> 00:44:10,647
They have a beautiful 
evergreen foliage too,

858
00:44:10,748 --> 00:44:13,517
which is another plus. 
Don't you think? Yes ma'am.

859
00:44:13,617 --> 00:44:18,856
So they 
can be used as a hedge,

860
00:44:18,956 --> 00:44:22,026
general border. Some 
varieties actually hold

861
00:44:22,126 --> 00:44:25,429
up to pruning very well 
for that. The varieties I put

862
00:44:25,529 --> 00:44:28,065
in, their natural 
shape makes it where I

863
00:44:28,165 --> 00:44:30,834
don't have to prune it 
very often.

864
00:44:30,934 --> 00:44:33,804
If I want to I can prune 
them

865
00:44:33,904 --> 00:44:37,775
in late Winter, early 
Spring, because they

866
00:44:37,875 --> 00:44:42,012
flower on the new 
growth that they have

867
00:44:42,112 --> 00:44:45,349
once it gets to the Fall. 
Well, it just sounds like

868
00:44:45,449 --> 00:44:48,652
an ideal flowering 
plant, all those small

869
00:44:48,752 --> 00:44:50,954
flowers. And I hope everybody 
will install one there.

870
00:44:51,055 --> 00:44:52,956
We want to 
thank you so much for

871
00:44:53,057 --> 00:44:54,425
sharing that information 
with us.

872
00:44:55,826 --> 00:44:59,997
Well, if you think that 
a pail and a three

873
00:45:00,097 --> 00:45:03,167
legged stool is how the 
milk comes out of the

874
00:45:03,267 --> 00:45:06,370
cow that ends up in 
your local dairy, I've got

875
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:09,239
some news for you.

876
00:45:09,339 --> 00:45:11,241
If we go to Lemaster 
Dairy Farm

877
00:45:11,341 --> 00:45:15,846
at Clemson, it was the most 
amazing experience I've

878
00:45:15,946 --> 00:45:18,449
had in many, many years.

879
00:45:20,651 --> 00:45:33,597
♪

880
00:45:33,697 --> 00:45:35,933
We're at the Lemaster Dairy Farm

881
00:45:36,033 --> 00:45:39,036
at Clemson University. 
I'm speaking to Steve

882
00:45:39,136 --> 00:45:41,672
Wagner who's the manager 
of the dairy herd.

883
00:45:41,772 --> 00:45:44,541
Steve, thank you so much. And 
this has been one

884
00:45:44,641 --> 00:45:47,010
of the most remarkable tours, 
I've ever had.

885
00:45:47,111 --> 00:45:50,080
Talk about 
what y'all did

886
00:45:50,180 --> 00:45:52,649
with this cutting edge 
facility,

887
00:45:52,749 --> 00:45:55,018
the things that are 
incorporated into it, please.

888
00:45:55,119 --> 00:45:57,554
We started looking at 
this about five or six years

889
00:45:57,654 --> 00:46:00,224
ago as far as we were gonna 
have to do something.

890
00:46:00,324 --> 00:46:02,659
The old facilities were at a 
point that they were

891
00:46:02,759 --> 00:46:05,462
basically wore out and 
we were going to need to do

892
00:46:05,562 --> 00:46:08,232
something. So, we hired 
some people who are very

893
00:46:08,332 --> 00:46:10,367
knowledgeable at what 
they do. And how they

894
00:46:10,467 --> 00:46:13,003
designed these facilities. 
But we looked at these

895
00:46:13,103 --> 00:46:16,340
facility incorporated 
robotics into it as a

896
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,942
cutting edge thing. that is 
coming on now to

897
00:46:19,042 --> 00:46:22,713
benefit labor, 
health and all of the

898
00:46:22,813 --> 00:46:25,916
issues that we deal with 
on a day to day basis.

899
00:46:26,016 --> 00:46:29,219
This has been designed 
for the comfort and

900
00:46:29,319 --> 00:46:32,389
health of the cow. 
And so the design of the

901
00:46:32,489 --> 00:46:34,925
building is quite unusual 
compared to what we're used

902
00:46:35,025 --> 00:46:38,095
to seeing. It seems very 
open and airy. Yeah, what

903
00:46:38,195 --> 00:46:40,063
we're seeing nowadays 
with the design of

904
00:46:40,164 --> 00:46:43,433
these new dairy facilities is 
cow comfort. And what we're

905
00:46:43,534 --> 00:46:46,637
finding out these high 
eaves, high roofs draw

906
00:46:46,737 --> 00:46:49,373
natural ventilation. We 
actually put this dairy up on

907
00:46:49,473 --> 00:46:52,209
this hillside you know 
with the west east

908
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:54,611
would draw the 
natural ventilation in the air

909
00:46:54,711 --> 00:46:57,114
through. And you can tell 
a big difference

910
00:46:57,214 --> 00:46:59,449
especially in the Summer time 
with the

911
00:46:59,550 --> 00:47:02,753
fans and sprinkler systems, 
we have to cool the cows.

912
00:47:02,853 --> 00:47:05,489
And you even have 
apparently, they enjoy the

913
00:47:05,589 --> 00:47:08,425
tactile sensation of 
having a brush their back

914
00:47:08,525 --> 00:47:11,128
scratched. And I have the 
cow brushes down there for

915
00:47:11,228 --> 00:47:13,530
their comfort as well. And 
you know you'll see

916
00:47:13,630 --> 00:47:17,301
cows fighting over it, 
sometimes. They like

917
00:47:17,401 --> 00:47:20,938
those also. And they are 
working hard making milk

918
00:47:21,038 --> 00:47:23,941
and they do occasionally 
like to lie down. So, you

919
00:47:24,041 --> 00:47:27,477
have an unusual bedding 
system for them. We use sand

920
00:47:27,578 --> 00:47:30,914
recycle bed, sand bedding 
to keep cows comfortable.

921
00:47:31,014 --> 00:47:33,884
So, the cows are either 
laying down, producing milk

922
00:47:33,984 --> 00:47:36,687
or eating. That's what your 
goals are to have the cows

923
00:47:36,787 --> 00:47:39,990
back in a comfortable 
position to make milk.

924
00:47:40,090 --> 00:47:43,627
The bedding is designed 
so that the rear end of

925
00:47:43,727 --> 00:47:47,097
the cow it's kind of 
hanging out over a

926
00:47:47,197 --> 00:47:51,668
gully. And that allows 
the solid waste to generally

927
00:47:51,768 --> 00:47:55,239
land in that gully. And I 
believe you're using

928
00:47:55,339 --> 00:47:57,674
people aren't having to go 
out there to push brooms.

929
00:47:57,774 --> 00:48:00,911
You're using water flow to 
flush that? Yes we're

930
00:48:01,011 --> 00:48:04,181
recycling water from a 
lagoon to basically flush

931
00:48:04,281 --> 00:48:07,284
away all the solid 
materials and sand.

932
00:48:07,384 --> 00:48:09,753
The sand is settling out 
and we're re-claiming that

933
00:48:09,853 --> 00:48:12,723
sand through a wash 
system. They cow stalls are

934
00:48:12,823 --> 00:48:14,958
designed for those cows 
to be kind of sticking

935
00:48:15,058 --> 00:48:17,327
out into the alley way, so 
that manure

936
00:48:17,427 --> 00:48:20,364
naturally falls in the alleyway 
to be flushed and not

937
00:48:20,464 --> 00:48:23,867
landing in the beds for 
them to relay. But the cows

938
00:48:23,967 --> 00:48:27,404
have first of all, I think 
they've got

939
00:48:27,504 --> 00:48:30,340
one of those, what do 
people call them the spit bits?

940
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,843
It's kind of a cow fit bit, 
but it's actually

941
00:48:32,943 --> 00:48:36,113
called a pedometer, 
where it measures their steps,

942
00:48:36,213 --> 00:48:38,715
which helps us with re-probe 
issues. And also it

943
00:48:38,815 --> 00:48:41,551
can - 
be a little sick or

944
00:48:41,652 --> 00:48:44,187
offbeat or where they're not 
moving as much.

945
00:48:44,288 --> 00:48:46,523
They're not 
making as much effort to

946
00:48:46,623 --> 00:48:49,192
get to the food or milk 
products. So you could see

947
00:48:49,293 --> 00:48:52,596
that too. Since there is a 
gateway into the robotic

948
00:48:52,696 --> 00:48:55,732
milking machine, 
I believe that's

949
00:48:55,832 --> 00:48:58,035
controlled by an 
electronic device in your

950
00:48:58,135 --> 00:49:00,537
ear. Can you explain that 
to us, please? Yeah the

951
00:49:00,637 --> 00:49:02,906
RFID tag in the ear 
controls pretty much

952
00:49:03,006 --> 00:49:06,310
everything the cow does. 
When she hits the entry gate,

953
00:49:06,410 --> 00:49:08,912
it picks up her 
information sends it

954
00:49:09,012 --> 00:49:12,149
in the computer. Robotics 
are all tied to the computer.

955
00:49:12,249 --> 00:49:14,818
Once she gets determination, 
she's ready to be

956
00:49:14,918 --> 00:49:18,588
milked. She's put into the 
robot.

957
00:49:18,689 --> 00:49:21,525
Once she enters the robot, 
it picks up that tag again

958
00:49:21,625 --> 00:49:25,028
and tells the robot how 
much your expected

959
00:49:25,128 --> 00:49:28,432
production should be on 
each quart. How do you -

960
00:49:28,532 --> 00:49:31,902
how does the milk get out 
of the cow?

961
00:49:32,002 --> 00:49:34,171
Basically, by the milking 
machines. Explain that.

962
00:49:34,271 --> 00:49:36,773
They're set up on 
a vacuum thing whereas

963
00:49:36,873 --> 00:49:40,110
their on and off like a 
60- 40 ratio. It's just

964
00:49:40,210 --> 00:49:42,646
like just like you're 
milking a cow by hand.

965
00:49:42,746 --> 00:49:45,882
That control is the same control 
that's in

966
00:49:45,982 --> 00:49:49,152
that cup milks that quart from 
the cow.

967
00:49:49,252 --> 00:49:53,290
They're washed and various 
things in between. And you

968
00:49:53,390 --> 00:49:56,526
said that this is an 
improvement over the

969
00:49:56,626 --> 00:50:00,497
older machines 
where every teet was

970
00:50:00,597 --> 00:50:04,568
stripped and treated as if they 
were all for the same or

971
00:50:04,668 --> 00:50:08,071
actually each one has a 
different supply of milk.

972
00:50:08,171 --> 00:50:09,973
Right each quart gives 
a different amount.

973
00:50:10,073 --> 00:50:12,642
You can say all that 
information in the robot

974
00:50:12,743 --> 00:50:15,512
computer. And like I say, 
this is a better - we

975
00:50:15,612 --> 00:50:18,448
think is going to be better 
for health issues because

976
00:50:18,548 --> 00:50:21,818
of cows not be over- milked. 
With the old

977
00:50:21,918 --> 00:50:25,655
system, you put all four on and 
stayed on all four till they

978
00:50:25,756 --> 00:50:28,625
come off, whereas now they come 
off individually as the cow

979
00:50:28,725 --> 00:50:32,629
finishes milking that quarter. 
This also lets you see as the

980
00:50:32,729 --> 00:50:36,900
milk production hits it's apex. 
And then begin to decline

981
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:38,902
and that's a symbol and

982
00:50:39,002 --> 00:50:40,971
indicates to you when 
they would be inseminated

983
00:50:41,071 --> 00:50:43,807
and when they would be put 
back into the pasture and

984
00:50:43,907 --> 00:50:45,842
dried out for a while. 
Right. Everything is

985
00:50:45,942 --> 00:50:48,912
tracked through the computer 
that's hooked to the robot.

986
00:50:49,012 --> 00:50:51,748
Every cow that comes through is 
milked every quarter and it

987
00:50:51,848 --> 00:50:54,151
actually tracks setting. 
It'll put out a

988
00:50:54,251 --> 00:50:57,921
graph showing you what the 
lactation is doing.

989
00:50:58,021 --> 00:51:00,023
Y'all have a very large 
holding tank. Is that

990
00:51:00,123 --> 00:51:01,658
where the milk is stored?

991
00:51:01,758 --> 00:51:04,661
How often does the truck have 
to come? And where's it

992
00:51:04,761 --> 00:51:06,830
going? The trucks pick up 
every three days.

993
00:51:06,930 --> 00:51:08,565
South Carolina allows 
a three day

994
00:51:08,665 --> 00:51:11,134
pick up. It's actually picked up 
here and goes

995
00:51:11,234 --> 00:51:14,771
off to be marketed, 
wherever it needs to go.

996
00:51:14,871 --> 00:51:18,041
They actually test every 
tanker, goes in with antibiotics

997
00:51:18,141 --> 00:51:20,744
and stuff like that. So it's a 
real stringent cleaning

998
00:51:20,844 --> 00:51:23,480
before it leaves here. Even 
coming from such a

999
00:51:23,580 --> 00:51:26,082
facility, there are always 
safeguards in place to

1000
00:51:26,183 --> 00:51:28,351
protect the public. Right. 
You still have green

1001
00:51:28,452 --> 00:51:31,988
pastures with cows in them. And 
who are the cows that are out of

1002
00:51:32,088 --> 00:51:34,524
the green pastures? All 
the cows in the outside

1003
00:51:34,624 --> 00:51:37,627
pastures now are the 
young stock that's coming in

1004
00:51:37,727 --> 00:51:39,996
to replace these cows. We 
hope they'll have better

1005
00:51:40,096 --> 00:51:43,233
genetics in the next generation 
of animals coming out.

1006
00:51:43,333 --> 00:51:46,403
Also our dry cows, once 
they get a little rest period

1007
00:51:46,503 --> 00:51:48,438
before coming back in 
production, they're turned to

1008
00:51:48,538 --> 00:51:49,973
pastures. So, the ones that are

1009
00:51:50,073 --> 00:51:54,044
inside are being actively 
milked. Cows under this

1010
00:51:54,144 --> 00:51:57,848
facility are being milked 
here. And they are under a

1011
00:51:57,948 --> 00:52:00,717
watchful eye. 
While I've been here,

1012
00:52:00,817 --> 00:52:03,386
you've taken out your phone and 
looked at it several times.

1013
00:52:03,487 --> 00:52:06,389
You told me that at home 
there are several people who

1014
00:52:06,490 --> 00:52:08,391
receive alerts in case 
anything does go wrong.

1015
00:52:08,492 --> 00:52:12,095
This is the most 
incredibly monitored cow

1016
00:52:12,195 --> 00:52:14,898
comfort and health 
facility that exists in

1017
00:52:14,998 --> 00:52:18,435
the in the country today. 
I'm happy to say that our

1018
00:52:18,535 --> 00:52:22,973
our staff is really proud 
of what they do and what they

1019
00:52:23,073 --> 00:52:25,442
watch. Of course, we're 
monitored by animal

1020
00:52:25,542 --> 00:52:27,777
stuff on campus too. So, 
you know, we have

1021
00:52:27,878 --> 00:52:30,413
to be accountable for stuff. 
And this system we

1022
00:52:30,514 --> 00:52:33,884
can really keep a closer 
eye on the cows than we have

1023
00:52:33,984 --> 00:52:37,354
before. And as we move into the 
future, we know that the

1024
00:52:37,454 --> 00:52:39,823
successful farmers are 
the ones who are going to

1025
00:52:39,923 --> 00:52:43,093
embrace technology and we 
want to make certain that

1026
00:52:43,193 --> 00:52:45,428
all the areas of agriculture in 
South Carolina can

1027
00:52:45,529 --> 00:52:48,632
remain strong and healthy. 
This is an example of how

1028
00:52:48,732 --> 00:52:51,434
dairy can continue for 
centuries to come I hope.

1029
00:52:51,535 --> 00:52:54,104
Yeah, I think so and plus 
in the South Carolina

1030
00:52:54,204 --> 00:52:56,640
Dairy and even 
Dairy men in the south east are

1031
00:52:56,740 --> 00:52:58,675
interested in what's 
going on with these systems.

1032
00:52:58,775 --> 00:53:01,745
They're looking at them. 
Well, if people want to know

1033
00:53:01,845 --> 00:53:04,147
more about this 
fascinating experiment

1034
00:53:04,247 --> 00:53:07,017
and facility that's here, 
what's the best way to get

1035
00:53:07,117 --> 00:53:09,452
information? You can go to 
our Clemson

1036
00:53:09,553 --> 00:53:12,522
Research Farms website and 
the dairy farm has its

1037
00:53:12,622 --> 00:53:15,792
own website within that. 
It has information from contact

1038
00:53:15,892 --> 00:53:19,129
to me, my assistant manager or 
any way you get contact to get

1039
00:53:19,229 --> 00:53:21,831
information. Thank you for 
sharing this with us

1040
00:53:21,932 --> 00:53:24,134
today. It really has been 
an extraordinary journey.

1041
00:53:24,234 --> 00:53:25,402
You're welcome. Enjoyed it.

1042
00:53:25,502 --> 00:53:49,326
♪

1043
00:53:49,426 --> 00:53:50,627
The research that goes on

1044
00:53:50,727 --> 00:53:53,930
at Lemaster Dairy Center 
is going to make it

1045
00:53:54,030 --> 00:53:56,433
easier for people to 
remain in the dairy

1046
00:53:56,533 --> 00:53:58,902
business. And we are very 
grateful for the

1047
00:53:59,002 --> 00:54:01,438
progress that they've 
made there. Terasa, what

1048
00:54:01,538 --> 00:54:04,140
else have you got that we 
can ask these smart

1049
00:54:04,240 --> 00:54:06,142
guys while we got them 
with us tonight?

1050
00:54:06,242 --> 00:54:09,846
Well, COVID -19 has affected so 
many aspects of our daily

1051
00:54:09,946 --> 00:54:12,716
life, from the way we shop 
to the way we dine.

1052
00:54:12,816 --> 00:54:15,251
What our viewers would 
like to know is how has

1053
00:54:15,352 --> 00:54:17,887
the virus affected 
farmers.

1054
00:54:17,988 --> 00:54:20,557
Whew! Well, Zack you're down 
there with a variety of

1055
00:54:20,657 --> 00:54:23,360
farmers and I know a lot 
of them were wanting to

1056
00:54:23,460 --> 00:54:25,662
just sell wholesale to 
some of these fancy

1057
00:54:25,762 --> 00:54:28,598
restaurants. But what have 
they done?

1058
00:54:28,698 --> 00:54:30,767
Amanda, a lot of our 
farmers have had to

1059
00:54:30,867 --> 00:54:33,403
diversify. It's really 
forced them to do that.

1060
00:54:33,503 --> 00:54:36,039
So there you know they're 
selling a little to wholesale.

1061
00:54:36,139 --> 00:54:37,874
They're selling some to 
restaurants. They're selling

1062
00:54:37,974 --> 00:54:41,011
some direct market. and 
then they're having some

1063
00:54:41,111 --> 00:54:43,346
people come to the farm 
and actually do U-Picks.

1064
00:54:43,446 --> 00:54:45,682
So I think this has 
been a really good

1065
00:54:45,782 --> 00:54:48,618
thing overall for the 
farmers to kind of

1066
00:54:48,718 --> 00:54:51,621
diversify their business. 
I will say that the U-

1067
00:54:51,721 --> 00:54:54,958
pick operations of the 
strawberries, tomatoes

1068
00:54:55,058 --> 00:54:58,261
blackberries. Those 
operations have really

1069
00:54:58,361 --> 00:55:00,530
picked up business this 
year. And I think it's

1070
00:55:00,630 --> 00:55:03,433
because you know people 
were at home.

1071
00:55:03,533 --> 00:55:05,101
They're looking 
for something to do.

1072
00:55:05,201 --> 00:55:07,437
They get to go to a 
farm. They get

1073
00:55:07,537 --> 00:55:09,739
to have a family experience and 
experience some fresh

1074
00:55:09,839 --> 00:55:12,876
air, as well as meet 
their local farmers.

1075
00:55:12,976 --> 00:55:15,578
Local farmers are the 
best people. They're the salt

1076
00:55:15,679 --> 00:55:19,015
of the earth. 
And it's just really neat

1077
00:55:19,115 --> 00:55:21,251
seeing these people and the 
relationships that are

1078
00:55:21,351 --> 00:55:23,887
formed. And so a lot of 
these farmers because

1079
00:55:23,987 --> 00:55:27,223
they had such good 
a year this year, they've

1080
00:55:27,323 --> 00:55:29,993
actually plan to expand 
for the upcoming year.

1081
00:55:30,093 --> 00:55:32,228
So, what I encourage 
people to do, we're

1082
00:55:32,328 --> 00:55:35,865
planning those crops now. 
And so support your local

1083
00:55:35,965 --> 00:55:38,501
farmers next year more so 
than you did this year

1084
00:55:38,601 --> 00:55:41,604
because they planned on 
that to happen.

1085
00:55:41,705 --> 00:55:44,407
Well and when people do 
this that is going to

1086
00:55:44,507 --> 00:55:46,943
ensure that land can 
remain in farming in

1087
00:55:47,043 --> 00:55:50,013
South Carolina a goal of 
all of us. I want to thank

1088
00:55:50,113 --> 00:55:52,615
you all for joining us. I 
want to thank our

1089
00:55:52,716 --> 00:55:54,684
wonderful panel for being 
here tonight and answering

1090
00:55:54,784 --> 00:55:56,553
questions. And all 
the people behind the

1091
00:55:56,653 --> 00:55:59,456
scenes, because it takes a 
lot to have a Making It

1092
00:55:59,556 --> 00:56:02,025
Grow show. But we're 
going to be here for you

1093
00:56:02,125 --> 00:56:04,561
next Tuesday and beyond. Night 
Night Everybody.

1094
00:56:15,805 --> 00:56:17,140
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1095
00:56:17,240 --> 00:56:19,943
to you in part by the 
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1096
00:56:20,043 --> 00:56:23,113
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1097
00:56:23,213 --> 00:56:26,516
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1098
00:56:26,616 --> 00:56:29,953
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1099
00:56:30,053 --> 00:56:32,922
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family farm offers

1100
00:56:33,022 --> 00:56:35,458
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1101
00:56:35,558 --> 00:56:38,728
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1102
00:56:38,828 --> 00:56:41,998
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1103
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1104
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