1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:03,333 Making it Grow is brought to you in part by 2 00:00:03,433 --> 00:00:05,800 the South Carolina Department of Agriculture 3 00:00:05,900 --> 00:00:09,466 Certified South Carolina Grown helps consumers identify, 4 00:00:09,566 --> 00:00:13,333 find, and buy South Carolina products. 5 00:00:13,433 --> 00:00:16,233 Mcleod Farms in Mcbee, South Carolina. 6 00:00:16,333 --> 00:00:18,900 This family farm offers seasonal produce 7 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,366 including over 22 varieties of peaches, 8 00:00:22,466 --> 00:00:25,533 additional funding provided by International Paper 9 00:00:25,633 --> 00:00:28,533 and the South Carolina Farm Bureau Federation 10 00:00:28,633 --> 00:00:29,866 and Farm Bureau Insurance. 11 00:00:31,700 --> 00:00:36,733 ♪ (Making it Grow opening music) ♪ 12 00:00:36,833 --> 00:01:02,500 ♪ 13 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:04,466 Good evening and welcome to Making It Grow. 14 00:01:04,566 --> 00:01:06,833 We're so glad you can join us here tonight. 15 00:01:06,933 --> 00:01:09,466 I'm Amanda McNulty. I'm a Clemson Extension agent. 16 00:01:09,566 --> 00:01:13,233 ...I get to come over here on Tuesdays surrounded 17 00:01:13,333 --> 00:01:16,600 by people who knows so many things. I learned so much, 18 00:01:16,700 --> 00:01:19,933 and we hope that you learn as well. 19 00:01:20,033 --> 00:01:23,266 Terasa Lott is an indispensable member of our team. 20 00:01:23,366 --> 00:01:25,666 If you aren't a member, if you don't follow us on Facebook, 21 00:01:25,766 --> 00:01:27,366 you really should, because Terasa, you put so 22 00:01:27,466 --> 00:01:29,666 many wonderful pictures on there all the time. 23 00:01:29,766 --> 00:01:32,066 >> Why thank you. I try, but that's mostly thanks 24 00:01:32,166 --> 00:01:33,633 to everyone who shares their photos. 25 00:01:33,733 --> 00:01:35,800 >> Yeah, we do encourage people to send them to us 26 00:01:35,900 --> 00:01:38,100 and if they don't want to - they don't do Facebook, 27 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:39,500 they can always email you something 28 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,733 I think just at Terasa T-E-R-A-S-A. 29 00:01:42,833 --> 00:01:46,966 She's a ray of sunshine at Clemson.edu. 30 00:01:47,066 --> 00:01:48,400 Then Keith Mearns is 31 00:01:48,500 --> 00:01:51,233 the Director of Grounds, which is 32 00:01:51,333 --> 00:01:53,666 a minor description of what he has to do 33 00:01:53,766 --> 00:01:55,800 at Historic Columbia, because they have 34 00:01:55,900 --> 00:01:59,133 about seven or eight properties, >> Six properties, yeah. 35 00:01:59,233 --> 00:02:01,400 >> It's a lot or grounds. >> About 14 acres worth. 36 00:02:01,500 --> 00:02:03,033 >> It's a lot of grounds. 37 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,000 >> It's just wonderful 38 00:02:06,100 --> 00:02:08,300 and I think one of the fun things you're doing 39 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,666 in the summertime cause nothing's fun 40 00:02:10,766 --> 00:02:12,966 in the Fall when it's hot, 41 00:02:13,066 --> 00:02:16,166 but the Robert Mills House to me has got to be fascinating 42 00:02:16,266 --> 00:02:18,733 because it's going to serve as an example of 43 00:02:18,833 --> 00:02:22,433 how you could have a traditional kind of 44 00:02:22,533 --> 00:02:26,366 18th century, 19th century garden using native plants. 45 00:02:26,466 --> 00:02:28,633 >> Yeah We're switching that side over to native plants 46 00:02:28,733 --> 00:02:30,866 instilling the English landscape design. 47 00:02:30,966 --> 00:02:32,733 >> That's pretty interesting. 48 00:02:32,833 --> 00:02:34,933 Can't wait to see it when it's done. We'll come up 49 00:02:35,033 --> 00:02:37,766 and have a filming with you when the weather is cool. 50 00:02:37,866 --> 00:02:40,066 How about that? Paul Thompson is the 51 00:02:40,166 --> 00:02:42,866 Extension Agent up in York County. 52 00:02:42,966 --> 00:02:45,500 Paul, one of the things that I think you have 53 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,800 is a pretty large community garden. 54 00:02:48,900 --> 00:02:51,733 >> Yeah we have, well the master gardeners 55 00:02:51,833 --> 00:02:54,733 have to plant our own garden in Fort Mill, 56 00:02:54,833 --> 00:02:56,266 - which helps support needy organizations. 57 00:02:56,366 --> 00:02:58,733 >> Right, but I'm involved 58 00:02:58,833 --> 00:03:01,733 with community garden in Chester. 59 00:03:03,466 --> 00:03:07,566 We got 21 raised beds, 60 00:03:07,666 --> 00:03:11,133 plus some in ground stuff and grew 61 00:03:11,233 --> 00:03:16,400 watermelons under that nursery fabric I talked about. 62 00:03:16,500 --> 00:03:18,300 Just a blank area. 63 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,266 Didn't know if that would work very well 64 00:03:20,366 --> 00:03:23,166 with that black material, but the watermelons 65 00:03:23,266 --> 00:03:26,300 loved it. >> Good. >> And they were very clean. 66 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:27,533 >> Yeah? 67 00:03:27,633 --> 00:03:29,900 >> Kept the disease down and that kind of thing 68 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,400 >> I guess it did. Yeah, well good for you. 69 00:03:32,500 --> 00:03:34,833 it's fun to go up to pick a watermelon. 70 00:03:34,933 --> 00:03:36,533 You have to know when the right curly q. 71 00:03:36,633 --> 00:03:40,033 is dry or something. >> I don't know about the curly q. 72 00:03:40,766 --> 00:03:43,666 Did they taste pretty good? >> Yeah. >> Good I'm glad. 73 00:03:43,766 --> 00:03:45,466 >> We got some good watermelons out of there. 74 00:03:45,566 --> 00:03:46,700 >> I'm delighted. Okay. 75 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:48,266 I hope you had a big enough refrigerator 76 00:03:48,366 --> 00:03:50,133 to put one in and get it cool. 77 00:03:50,233 --> 00:03:51,400 That's the problem with watermelons. 78 00:03:51,500 --> 00:03:53,533 Although, now they got those little bitty ones 79 00:03:53,633 --> 00:03:57,866 Well, Terasa, I know that people are so kind 80 00:03:57,966 --> 00:04:01,900 at sharing. I hope they're proud of their gardens. 81 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:03,600 They send you pictures and we can 82 00:04:03,700 --> 00:04:05,366 start with Gardens of the Week. 83 00:04:05,466 --> 00:04:08,333 >> Absolutely, I love this part of the show 84 00:04:08,433 --> 00:04:10,300 where we get to take sort of what I've called 85 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:14,000 a virtual field trip to see your yards and gardens. 86 00:04:14,100 --> 00:04:17,133 We're going to begin with Diana O'Neal. 87 00:04:17,233 --> 00:04:19,566 She shared some lavender and sage 88 00:04:19,666 --> 00:04:23,700 that she was drying on it looked like a kitchen table. 89 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,366 Betty Simmons sent us a photo, a combination pot 90 00:04:27,466 --> 00:04:30,500 with a Datura and a Kalanchoe 91 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:32,633 and then from Debbie McGee, 92 00:04:32,733 --> 00:04:34,466 we have sort of a tropical look 93 00:04:34,566 --> 00:04:38,900 with...one of the ginger Curcuma species. 94 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:43,133 Lantana with a butterfly is the subject of a photo 95 00:04:43,233 --> 00:04:47,100 from, I believe you say it, Kim (Pain) or (Pay-own-nee) 96 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,166 I apologize if I have missed pronounced your name. 97 00:04:50,266 --> 00:04:51,633 We're going to wrap up 98 00:04:51,733 --> 00:04:55,033 with another tropical feel. This is from Shane 99 00:04:55,133 --> 00:04:59,433 who shared a bromeliad flowering in front of the pool. 100 00:04:59,533 --> 00:05:02,000 I think I would like to be in front of that pool. 101 00:05:02,100 --> 00:05:04,766 Wouldn't that be nice? >> I'd like to be in the pool 102 00:05:04,866 --> 00:05:06,066 (both laugh) 103 00:05:06,166 --> 00:05:09,300 Speaking of curcumas, 104 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,600 I think a good many shows ago, you came with - 105 00:05:12,700 --> 00:05:16,233 you and Keith talked a lot about the new varieties 106 00:05:16,333 --> 00:05:19,700 and types that are out there and I bet Sean will put 107 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:21,866 a link up to that so people could go back and 108 00:05:21,966 --> 00:05:23,800 review that because it's a field. 109 00:05:23,900 --> 00:05:26,233 When I was a little girl, there was one you could have 110 00:05:26,333 --> 00:05:29,600 and now it's a just a huge, huge area and thank you 111 00:05:29,700 --> 00:05:31,933 for sharing that information with us 112 00:05:32,033 --> 00:05:34,100 and people can always go to Historic Columbia and walk 113 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,266 around for free and see all those things in bloom. 114 00:05:36,366 --> 00:05:39,166 It's pretty fun to go up there. Well, Terasa, I 115 00:05:39,266 --> 00:05:41,366 bet we've got some questions and so let's 116 00:05:41,466 --> 00:05:44,433 start and see what we can do to help people. >> Sure thing. 117 00:05:44,533 --> 00:05:48,533 This comes in from Julia in Union. She says, 118 00:05:48,633 --> 00:05:51,866 "Help!", with an exclamation point. The deer think my 119 00:05:51,966 --> 00:05:55,200 hostas are candy. What else can I plant that 120 00:05:55,300 --> 00:05:58,366 they won't devour. Oh boy! Those deer. 121 00:05:58,466 --> 00:06:01,100 They are something. Paul, have you got any 122 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:02,200 suggestions for these people? 123 00:06:02,300 --> 00:06:05,833 >> I sure do. I have a few things right here, 124 00:06:05,933 --> 00:06:08,300 that's a good selection. 125 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:11,233 These are all one species of plants that are different 126 00:06:11,333 --> 00:06:15,333 selections of the same thing. 127 00:06:15,433 --> 00:06:17,400 >> This just represents a small sample 128 00:06:17,500 --> 00:06:19,200 I think of everything that's out there. 129 00:06:19,300 --> 00:06:26,833 >> Right. I got a picture of another one - 130 00:06:26,933 --> 00:06:28,066 The Giganteum, maybe. 131 00:06:28,166 --> 00:06:30,366 Yeah, the Giganteum. I'm trying 132 00:06:30,466 --> 00:06:33,266 to think of the genus Farfugium. Yeah. 133 00:06:33,366 --> 00:06:35,533 >> They change it on us all the time. 134 00:06:35,633 --> 00:06:39,333 ...I had been these and kind of 135 00:06:39,433 --> 00:06:42,266 thought them as being an exotic type thing for a while 136 00:06:42,366 --> 00:06:46,766 and I went down to Fripp island 137 00:06:46,866 --> 00:06:50,533 with my brothers and their wives. 138 00:06:50,633 --> 00:06:53,933 It's been a few days, and the deer were just everywhere 139 00:06:54,033 --> 00:06:56,433 on Fripp Island, and I started seeing that 140 00:06:56,533 --> 00:06:59,533 Farfugium Gigantea everywhere, 141 00:06:59,633 --> 00:07:03,566 in everybody's yards, planted in 142 00:07:03,666 --> 00:07:09,666 the similar place you would put hostas, shaded areas. 143 00:07:09,766 --> 00:07:12,533 These tolerate a little more dryness 144 00:07:12,633 --> 00:07:17,366 than hostas would, and anyway you've got 145 00:07:17,466 --> 00:07:21,266 selections here of a variegated form, 146 00:07:21,366 --> 00:07:23,866 one they just commonly refer to as a parsley 147 00:07:23,966 --> 00:07:27,566 leaf form and then one that's often 148 00:07:27,666 --> 00:07:31,700 called Leopard spot, where you have these yellow 149 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,433 polka dots that are just kind of random 150 00:07:34,533 --> 00:07:36,200 on the leaves, 151 00:07:39,033 --> 00:07:41,400 which turns some people on. 152 00:07:41,500 --> 00:07:44,700 To me, I've always looked at them and thought, 153 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,833 oh what is that leaf spot disease that plant has? 154 00:07:50,566 --> 00:07:52,233 It's still a very interesting plant 155 00:07:52,333 --> 00:07:55,600 and aside from days another plant to consider 156 00:07:55,700 --> 00:07:56,900 that's deer proof 157 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,866 is...your hellebores. 158 00:08:00,966 --> 00:08:04,266 ...Hellebores have come such a long way in the past 159 00:08:04,366 --> 00:08:07,800 10, 15 years, with all the selections 160 00:08:07,900 --> 00:08:11,133 and hybrids and flowers 161 00:08:11,233 --> 00:08:15,166 that stand up and look up at you instead of the typical 162 00:08:15,266 --> 00:08:17,833 look down at the ants, flowers, and I think 163 00:08:17,933 --> 00:08:19,733 >> They're good for dry shade, aren't they? 164 00:08:19,833 --> 00:08:21,500 They also do well in dry shade 165 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,166 and the deer won't touch them. 166 00:08:23,266 --> 00:08:25,366 There's also a lot of ferns that the deer won't touch. 167 00:08:25,466 --> 00:08:28,000 So, you've got a lot of choices other than hostas. 168 00:08:28,100 --> 00:08:31,266 >> Talk about - now this used to be called Ligularia 169 00:08:31,366 --> 00:08:34,400 and sometimes the common name is tractor seat plant, 170 00:08:34,500 --> 00:08:36,766 because the big one. >> Yeah, it looks kind of 171 00:08:36,866 --> 00:08:39,066 like the old John Deere tractor seat, 172 00:08:39,166 --> 00:08:42,100 >> And the big one I mean, they're 173 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,066 - a big, a big behind. 174 00:08:44,166 --> 00:08:45,366 (laughs) 175 00:08:45,466 --> 00:08:46,933 Yeah, but let's talk, 176 00:08:47,033 --> 00:08:49,333 also I mean, in addition to, I think 177 00:08:49,433 --> 00:08:53,500 having beautiful foliage, I think it has 178 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,300 pretty colorful, bright flowers. 179 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,000 It does. It'll have a spike of yellow flowers 180 00:08:59,100 --> 00:09:04,433 in the late summer, early fall period. 181 00:09:04,533 --> 00:09:06,666 They're kind of a surprise on the plant 182 00:09:06,766 --> 00:09:11,833 because they're a daisy like flower, and it just 183 00:09:11,933 --> 00:09:14,733 doesn't look like it belongs on this 184 00:09:14,833 --> 00:09:20,166 broad leafy, kind of herbaceous looking thing, 185 00:09:20,266 --> 00:09:23,733 but they're kind of a surprise, 186 00:09:23,833 --> 00:09:25,766 It blooms well even in the shade. 187 00:09:25,866 --> 00:09:29,666 yeah you get that for Fall interest as well. 188 00:09:29,766 --> 00:09:32,666 >> Can it take part sun or does it need deep shade? 189 00:09:32,766 --> 00:09:34,566 >> I would imagine, it could ...get a little bit 190 00:09:34,666 --> 00:09:36,633 of early morning sun and be fine. >> Okay. 191 00:09:36,733 --> 00:09:39,066 Definitely afternoon shade, for sure. 192 00:09:39,166 --> 00:09:41,766 >> Okay, all right and so at Fripp Island 193 00:09:41,866 --> 00:09:44,300 that's stunning, because I just know that 194 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,666 even plants that sometimes we say are deer resistant 195 00:09:47,766 --> 00:09:49,866 at places like that, get chewed up 196 00:09:49,966 --> 00:09:52,366 and so this one apparently, they just do not like. 197 00:09:52,466 --> 00:09:54,433 No, they won't touch them. 198 00:09:54,533 --> 00:09:57,466 That's wonderful. Thank you so much. Farfugium 199 00:09:57,566 --> 00:09:59,333 >> Farfugium. >> Or tractor seat plant. 200 00:09:59,433 --> 00:10:00,600 >>There we go. 201 00:10:00,700 --> 00:10:03,566 If you want to remember tractors. 202 00:10:03,666 --> 00:10:05,266 We had a visit recently 203 00:10:05,366 --> 00:10:07,033 from our dear friend, Tony Melton 204 00:10:07,133 --> 00:10:09,233 and it was wonderful to have him 205 00:10:09,333 --> 00:10:11,933 come over and see us as you know, Tony's retired 206 00:10:12,033 --> 00:10:16,866 but he just can't stop helping people 207 00:10:16,966 --> 00:10:19,700 with problems in their Gardens 208 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:20,933 and in their yards 209 00:10:21,033 --> 00:10:23,533 and we thought it would be fun when he came over to talk 210 00:10:23,633 --> 00:10:26,300 about Tony's early life, because he really has had 211 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,333 a fascinating career. 212 00:10:28,433 --> 00:10:32,300 So, let's have a visit with our dear friend Tony Melton. 213 00:10:34,133 --> 00:10:35,966 I'm here today happily 214 00:10:36,066 --> 00:10:38,900 sitting next to my wonderful friend Tony Melton, 215 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,266 Who, gosh Tony, I probably 216 00:10:42,366 --> 00:10:45,966 learned more about horticulture and farming 217 00:10:46,066 --> 00:10:48,300 with you sitting here on the set of Making It Grow 218 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:50,400 than all those years at Clemson. 219 00:10:50,500 --> 00:10:54,566 >> Well, I've been around. I had seen a lot of things 220 00:10:54,666 --> 00:10:58,666 in my 60 years of being out there. 221 00:10:58,766 --> 00:11:00,833 That's even, because I started picking cotton 222 00:11:00,933 --> 00:11:04,033 when I was three years old. >> You got a cute little story 223 00:11:04,133 --> 00:11:07,200 about that. Tell me. >> Yeah, My grand-daddy, 224 00:11:07,300 --> 00:11:09,500 he took a flour sack. A flour sack. 225 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:11,166 >> And put a little strap on it. 226 00:11:11,266 --> 00:11:12,733 ...and I could drag it through the fields 227 00:11:12,833 --> 00:11:14,866 and start picking cotton, 228 00:11:14,966 --> 00:11:17,500 because the cotton, they weren't tall cotton, 229 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,333 because it was short cotton, and we called it 230 00:11:19,433 --> 00:11:21,700 bumble bee cotton. >> Bumblebee? 231 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:23,833 >> Yeah, the bumblebee would bump it's butt 232 00:11:23,933 --> 00:11:26,633 against the ground when he tried to pollinate, 233 00:11:26,733 --> 00:11:28,300 because it was so short, 234 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,033 because of the dry conditions up on that sandy land 235 00:11:31,133 --> 00:11:34,000 in McBee. >> Yeah, that McBee it's hard to grow a crop there. 236 00:11:34,100 --> 00:11:36,500 >> It is. It's tough to grow anything. 237 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,800 I think it's an amazing testament 238 00:11:38,900 --> 00:11:41,000 to farmers and things they can grow 239 00:11:41,100 --> 00:11:42,500 on that type of soil. 240 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:43,600 Today we got irrigation. 241 00:11:43,700 --> 00:11:46,600 We didn't have it in those days, 242 00:11:46,700 --> 00:11:49,100 but back in those days, you had to find the right soil 243 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:53,766 and the right place, which is good to do anyway. 244 00:11:53,866 --> 00:11:58,833 It's not - just try to find a good place - quality soil 245 00:11:58,933 --> 00:12:02,600 that really makes a crop. >> - and that suits the 246 00:12:02,700 --> 00:12:06,033 crop, yeah. That's one reason, I guess that our 247 00:12:06,133 --> 00:12:09,133 wonderful friends, the McLeods, Kemp says that 248 00:12:09,233 --> 00:12:10,733 McBee's really just like the beach 249 00:12:10,833 --> 00:12:13,066 without the girls in the bathing suits, 250 00:12:13,166 --> 00:12:16,133 because you're a big sand dune, but that's good 251 00:12:16,233 --> 00:12:18,933 for peach roots. It keeps them from rotting so much. 252 00:12:19,033 --> 00:12:21,700 There's some advantages to that. >> Drainage. 253 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,200 Drainage is very important. We found that out 254 00:12:24,300 --> 00:12:28,866 the last few years. A lot of crops have drowned. 255 00:12:28,966 --> 00:12:31,600 It don't take long. I usually say about three 256 00:12:31,700 --> 00:12:34,366 hours of water. Standing? 257 00:12:34,466 --> 00:12:38,400 >> of most vegetables standing, and you could have dead fields, 258 00:12:38,500 --> 00:12:41,733 huge dead fields and then you're out of luck. 259 00:12:41,833 --> 00:12:43,733 >> People just don't realize too much water 260 00:12:43,833 --> 00:12:46,133 is just as bad as not enough sometimes. 261 00:12:46,233 --> 00:12:48,733 You went on, your family, y'all were almost kind of 262 00:12:48,833 --> 00:12:50,466 subsistence - although your father had a 263 00:12:50,566 --> 00:12:53,533 wonderful job, but, y'all really grew your food. 264 00:12:53,633 --> 00:12:58,400 >> Yep we really did. I worked. We always, all of 265 00:12:58,500 --> 00:13:00,633 us worked. We started out. 266 00:13:00,733 --> 00:13:05,200 I helped with picking cotton for grand-daddy 267 00:13:05,300 --> 00:13:08,666 I think was five cent a pound, but we always grew - 268 00:13:08,766 --> 00:13:13,166 Daddy had this large piece of land, that he grew crops 269 00:13:13,266 --> 00:13:17,200 and stuff on. We grow butter beans and peas. 270 00:13:17,300 --> 00:13:19,600 We'd pick them and he's sell of them. 271 00:13:19,700 --> 00:13:23,500 Corn, sweet corn, and we'd have some of that 272 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:25,766 and we'd grow that, and he'd sell some of it 273 00:13:25,866 --> 00:13:28,033 but most of it was used to feed our family 274 00:13:28,133 --> 00:13:29,800 >> - because you got a big family. 275 00:13:29,900 --> 00:13:34,066 >> Yep. I was number eight. I was number eight. 276 00:13:34,166 --> 00:13:40,700 I was the baby of the group and then they adopted another. 277 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:42,266 There was nine of us total, 278 00:13:42,366 --> 00:13:45,433 and then there was a lot to be growing. 279 00:13:45,533 --> 00:13:49,000 Then when I got through picking cotton, 280 00:13:49,100 --> 00:13:50,133 grand-daddy changed crops 281 00:13:50,233 --> 00:13:52,166 because he couldn't do cotton no more 282 00:13:52,266 --> 00:13:54,433 because the cotton pickers was coming around 283 00:13:54,533 --> 00:13:55,466 at the time then. 284 00:13:55,566 --> 00:13:59,300 Then we started out with butter beans. 285 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:00,300 Grand-daddy was picking. 286 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:07,433 That's like going from the frying pan - 287 00:14:07,533 --> 00:14:10,533 That's tough to get down and pick butter beans 288 00:14:10,633 --> 00:14:14,566 all day and I remember I used to make 289 00:14:14,666 --> 00:14:20,033 50 cents a bucket. >> ...Tony, you still 290 00:14:20,133 --> 00:14:23,200 butter beans and southern peas have been a large 291 00:14:23,300 --> 00:14:26,800 part of your work and research, I believe, 292 00:14:26,900 --> 00:14:29,933 even after you got to Clemson when you went to 293 00:14:30,033 --> 00:14:31,433 experimental farm, 294 00:14:31,533 --> 00:14:33,933 you would not believe Doctor Ogle did a lot 295 00:14:34,033 --> 00:14:37,000 of work on trying to get some larger southern peas. 296 00:14:37,100 --> 00:14:38,366 >> That's right. We did. 297 00:14:38,466 --> 00:14:41,033 We worked to develop the varieties, 298 00:14:41,133 --> 00:14:45,000 Colossus, Colossus 80, Hercules 299 00:14:45,100 --> 00:14:49,266 Ogle variety, and one of my biggest babies 300 00:14:49,366 --> 00:14:53,033 that I worked with totally from front to back was 301 00:14:53,133 --> 00:14:54,833 Clemson purple. Clemson purple. 302 00:14:54,933 --> 00:14:56,400 >> Clemson purple is a still good one. 303 00:14:56,500 --> 00:14:59,400 Well, they're all good, but there are bigger ones 304 00:14:59,500 --> 00:15:02,733 and people have kind of fallen away from the big seeded ones. 305 00:15:02,833 --> 00:15:04,466 They want the smaller seeded ones, 306 00:15:04,566 --> 00:15:06,666 but Clemson Purple is doing good. 307 00:15:06,766 --> 00:15:09,466 >> I think you even did some work on improving 308 00:15:09,566 --> 00:15:11,733 the okra that Clemson is so famous for. 309 00:15:11,833 --> 00:15:13,166 >> Clemson's Spineless 80. 310 00:15:13,266 --> 00:15:15,366 We went to Clemson's Spineless 311 00:15:15,466 --> 00:15:18,633 and brought it. What we did we 312 00:15:18,733 --> 00:15:20,233 selected for consistency. 313 00:15:20,333 --> 00:15:22,533 In other words, you can look out through the field 314 00:15:22,633 --> 00:15:25,000 and you can see one end to the other 315 00:15:25,100 --> 00:15:27,200 It was all the same. 316 00:15:27,300 --> 00:15:31,933 So we took the Clemson Spineless and slated it for consistency 317 00:15:32,033 --> 00:15:33,833 so it would have the same plant from 318 00:15:33,933 --> 00:15:36,833 one end to the other, so you could pick it and handle 319 00:15:36,933 --> 00:15:39,133 it a lot easier. 320 00:15:39,233 --> 00:15:41,633 Yeah, there's a lot of other crops 321 00:15:41,733 --> 00:15:45,100 including 322 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,500 Carolina Hot, which was a pepper. 323 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,866 We helped develop the Carolina hot pepper, which 324 00:15:51,966 --> 00:15:54,900 was not the Carolina reaper, but the Carolina Hot. 325 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,166 It's just not a real hot pepper. 326 00:15:58,266 --> 00:16:00,733 >> Hot enough to use without killing yourself. 327 00:16:00,833 --> 00:16:02,600 >> That's right. I tell you, these days, 328 00:16:02,700 --> 00:16:06,066 people love spicy foods, Amanda. 329 00:16:06,166 --> 00:16:09,200 >> Tony, but then you got a master's degree 330 00:16:09,300 --> 00:16:11,333 and you became an Extension Agent. 331 00:16:11,433 --> 00:16:13,300 Where did they send you first? 332 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,433 >> I came down from the horticulture department 333 00:16:16,533 --> 00:16:18,500 at Clemson where I was growing crops 334 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,833 in the Clemson bottoms. Yep, still there today. 335 00:16:21,933 --> 00:16:25,066 >> It's still there today beside the football field. 336 00:16:25,166 --> 00:16:27,166 Came down to Florence, 337 00:16:27,266 --> 00:16:30,900 Darlington County to help farmers 338 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:35,066 grow the different crops that are in that area, 339 00:16:35,166 --> 00:16:37,066 all the vegetable type crops. And then butter beans, 340 00:16:37,166 --> 00:16:41,800 still. People in South Carolina love their butter beans. 341 00:16:41,900 --> 00:16:46,500 especially their speckle. They like them and they like 342 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:52,200 that colored, we call it liquor. It's a dark liquor. 343 00:16:52,300 --> 00:16:54,666 >> The pot likker. It takes on the color from that 344 00:16:54,766 --> 00:16:56,600 speckled in the beans. 345 00:16:56,700 --> 00:16:59,000 >> That's right and they love to take the corn bread 346 00:16:59,100 --> 00:17:02,066 and sop up that pot likker. >> We all do. Yeah. 347 00:17:02,166 --> 00:17:07,333 >> Yes it's wonderful. >> So, you became a small fruit 348 00:17:07,433 --> 00:17:10,700 veg specialist and a vegetable specialist. 349 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:14,800 You've really had a lot of counties 350 00:17:14,900 --> 00:17:16,866 in which you tried to help the farmers. 351 00:17:16,966 --> 00:17:19,466 >> Moved here from down two or three counties 352 00:17:19,566 --> 00:17:24,066 and moved up to 10 or 12. 353 00:17:24,166 --> 00:17:28,833 I have been blessed to work with some of the greatest people 354 00:17:28,933 --> 00:17:30,933 on the face of this earth. 355 00:17:31,033 --> 00:17:32,966 A lot of the farmers 356 00:17:33,066 --> 00:17:36,766 and I would call each other brothers. 357 00:17:36,866 --> 00:17:39,100 If I was too old, they would call me uncle. 358 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:40,333 (laughs) 359 00:17:40,433 --> 00:17:46,566 Uncle Tony. Then, a lot of my brothers, 360 00:17:46,666 --> 00:17:48,900 we just bonded together. 361 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,166 I think that's the main thing for a County agent. 362 00:17:52,266 --> 00:17:56,466 Is the love of people. Is to love what you're doing 363 00:17:56,566 --> 00:17:59,833 and helping to people and showing them and making 364 00:17:59,933 --> 00:18:03,400 South Carolina a better place for the people 365 00:18:03,500 --> 00:18:09,733 of South Carolina and loving folks. That's county agents 366 00:18:09,833 --> 00:18:12,866 and they ...all County agents should know that. You don't work 367 00:18:12,966 --> 00:18:15,666 for Clemson University. You work for the people 368 00:18:15,766 --> 00:18:19,133 of South Carolina. You're there to help the 369 00:18:19,233 --> 00:18:23,966 people of South Carolina and make a better life 370 00:18:24,066 --> 00:18:26,266 for their folk. 371 00:18:26,366 --> 00:18:29,000 >> ...by doing that you show and tell 372 00:18:29,100 --> 00:18:32,400 them the ways to best be stewards of the land 373 00:18:32,500 --> 00:18:34,500 at the same time. >> That's right. >> So, you're 374 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,966 protecting our environment and helping 375 00:18:37,066 --> 00:18:40,800 these people stay sustainable as farmers, so 376 00:18:40,900 --> 00:18:44,000 that they can keep that land in agriculture. 377 00:18:44,100 --> 00:18:46,533 We want to keep every bit of land and agriculture. 378 00:18:46,633 --> 00:18:50,233 That's the basis of the Extension service, right there. 379 00:18:50,333 --> 00:18:54,166 It does work, that we are here 380 00:18:54,266 --> 00:18:58,033 to help folks take care of the land, take care of themselves, 381 00:18:58,133 --> 00:19:01,700 and really take care of the world around us. 382 00:19:04,333 --> 00:19:06,733 >> I know you're glad to see Tony. We sure are glad 383 00:19:06,833 --> 00:19:09,400 to have him over here with us, and thanks to Mitzi, 384 00:19:09,500 --> 00:19:11,300 his sweet bride, who drove him 385 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,300 and she said she'll bring him back to see us. 386 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,633 Well, Terasa, I think we got something else 387 00:19:16,733 --> 00:19:18,166 in your stack of questions. 388 00:19:18,266 --> 00:19:19,933 Let's try to get another one answered. 389 00:19:20,033 --> 00:19:21,200 >> Questions are endless. 390 00:19:21,300 --> 00:19:24,400 This is from Angela in Beaufort. I really like 391 00:19:24,500 --> 00:19:27,566 tropical plants but don't have enough sun for hibiscus. 392 00:19:27,666 --> 00:19:30,600 What would be a good substitute for part shade? 393 00:19:30,700 --> 00:19:33,566 My goodness. Well, Keith, you've got on 394 00:19:33,666 --> 00:19:36,633 your 17 acres or however many it is, every 395 00:19:36,733 --> 00:19:39,933 exposure in the world. Have you got a suggestion for us? 396 00:19:40,033 --> 00:19:43,633 >> Oh yes, a lot of our plantings are very sub-tropical 397 00:19:43,733 --> 00:19:47,800 in nature. So, the direction we're going...wise. 398 00:19:47,900 --> 00:19:50,400 >> Yes. >> We try to find something to 399 00:19:50,500 --> 00:19:54,600 fill all the garden niches, and there's one genus of 400 00:19:54,700 --> 00:19:56,900 plants, it's really good for a sort of part shade 401 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,400 situation and they're very tropical and that genus is 402 00:19:59,500 --> 00:20:02,533 Abutilon and the common name for 403 00:20:02,633 --> 00:20:06,666 this interestingly enough is Flowering Maple. 404 00:20:06,766 --> 00:20:10,800 The leaves do resemble a maple leaf. Alright. 405 00:20:10,900 --> 00:20:13,866 but they're not arranged in an opposite way, 406 00:20:13,966 --> 00:20:16,733 which maples are. So there's a difference there and plus 407 00:20:16,833 --> 00:20:19,200 maple trees don't quite have a flower like this. 408 00:20:19,300 --> 00:20:22,400 This is in the mallow family or the hibiscus family, 409 00:20:22,500 --> 00:20:25,333 which is obviously related to the genus hibiscus. 410 00:20:25,433 --> 00:20:27,466 ...and there's a lot actually different 411 00:20:27,566 --> 00:20:31,266 selections of Abutilon and a lot of them start 412 00:20:31,366 --> 00:20:33,333 out as house plants in conservatories and they 413 00:20:33,433 --> 00:20:35,666 function really well in that capacity, but as it 414 00:20:35,766 --> 00:20:37,900 turns out in our climate a lot of them are also 415 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,200 ground hearty, and sometimes they die 416 00:20:41,300 --> 00:20:42,833 down in the ground, and sometimes they don't, 417 00:20:42,933 --> 00:20:45,033 but most of the time they make it through, which is 418 00:20:45,133 --> 00:20:48,966 really nice. And they come up and they have a nice tropical 419 00:20:49,066 --> 00:20:52,966 feel in a part sun situation with some nice even moisture. 420 00:20:53,066 --> 00:20:55,066 >> Yes. >>...we have an example 421 00:20:55,166 --> 00:20:57,166 of one here, and this... particular one is called 422 00:20:57,266 --> 00:21:01,100 Biltmore Ballgown. I want to say it was, 423 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,100 if not discovered at least made popular 424 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,666 by Biltmore Estate. As you can see the flowers 425 00:21:07,766 --> 00:21:12,133 are pendant hanging down there. Hummingbirds actually as 426 00:21:12,233 --> 00:21:14,500 it turns out, really like these flowers, 427 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,433 and I think bumblebees too. We don't see them set 428 00:21:17,533 --> 00:21:20,333 seed too much. I've never seen any seedlings. 429 00:21:20,433 --> 00:21:22,033 ...it's not something that's going to take over 430 00:21:22,133 --> 00:21:26,800 your garden or seed around, really easily controlled. 431 00:21:26,900 --> 00:21:29,100 ...if you want to do cuttings on them, 432 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:30,500 they will root and you can have a 433 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:34,266 few house plants, as well. If you want to do that. 434 00:21:34,366 --> 00:21:37,000 >> How big do you think this is going to get? Will it 435 00:21:37,100 --> 00:21:39,233 fill up it's space nicely eventually? 436 00:21:39,333 --> 00:21:41,100 They tend not to get very wide. 437 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:42,966 They tend to grow up and to have 438 00:21:43,066 --> 00:21:46,100 a somewhat of a miniature tree look to them. 439 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:47,933 Really? >> Now, you can pinch them back, 440 00:21:48,033 --> 00:21:50,566 a little bit if you want them to be tighter, and give 441 00:21:50,666 --> 00:21:53,900 them a little bit more sun and they'll be a bit tighter. 442 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,100 >> Do they have an extended blooming time 443 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,200 throughout the summer? >> So they will 444 00:21:59,300 --> 00:22:04,933 begin blooming probably in late June. They'll just 445 00:22:05,033 --> 00:22:07,133 continue all the way until frost. >>Whenever, the 446 00:22:07,233 --> 00:22:09,700 heck that's... >> That's right. [laughs] 447 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:11,533 It could be months and months and months. 448 00:22:11,633 --> 00:22:13,300 Okay Well thanks so much. 449 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,466 So, it's pretty care free once you get it established 450 00:22:15,566 --> 00:22:17,633 >> Yeah, there's no pest problems really or diseases. 451 00:22:17,733 --> 00:22:20,866 >> Okay. Thank you so very much. 452 00:22:20,966 --> 00:22:23,333 Well, Terasa, let's see if we can knock another one off 453 00:22:23,433 --> 00:22:25,666 the list of things we need to talk about. 454 00:22:25,766 --> 00:22:29,733 Alright. This one is an identification question. 455 00:22:29,833 --> 00:22:32,233 Frederick in Moncks Corner said, I found this 456 00:22:32,333 --> 00:22:34,433 little flower growing in the woodlands on my 457 00:22:34,533 --> 00:22:38,266 property in Berkeley County. Can you identify it? 458 00:22:38,366 --> 00:22:42,200 >> My goodness, a lovely town down that way. Moncks 459 00:22:42,300 --> 00:22:46,466 Corner is really nice. Paul, I think you got to 460 00:22:46,566 --> 00:22:48,866 look at the picture and did it... 461 00:22:48,966 --> 00:22:52,133 remind you of anything? Could come up with something? 462 00:22:52,233 --> 00:22:54,633 ...well I wasn't really familiar with it at first. 463 00:22:54,733 --> 00:22:57,900 I got a little help from Keith, 464 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,366 but I immediately recognized 465 00:23:00,466 --> 00:23:03,100 it was in the mint family, 466 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:07,700 because of the way the flower looked. 467 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,366 He referred to it as being a skull cap. 468 00:23:10,466 --> 00:23:12,033 I looked a little further into it. 469 00:23:12,133 --> 00:23:15,066 There are several different species, 470 00:23:15,166 --> 00:23:21,500 and looks as though that's the integrifolia species. 471 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:27,133 Scutellaria integrifolia 472 00:23:27,233 --> 00:23:30,466 seems to have a wide range of habitats from 473 00:23:30,566 --> 00:23:36,266 wooded pine woods, hardwoods to meadows. 474 00:23:36,366 --> 00:23:42,400 ...so quite versatile perennial plant. 475 00:23:42,500 --> 00:23:44,666 >> ...for those of you who hadn't been to Moncks 476 00:23:44,766 --> 00:23:48,000 Corner, lately, they have a lovely little park there 477 00:23:48,100 --> 00:23:52,366 that has the Old Santee Canal 478 00:23:52,466 --> 00:23:55,800 gates or something. It's historic, and the 479 00:23:55,900 --> 00:23:58,000 grounds are quite lovely and it's a lovely place 480 00:23:58,100 --> 00:24:00,633 to take a picnic and walk around, and it's got some 481 00:24:00,733 --> 00:24:03,000 nice shady spots. So if you're down that way, I 482 00:24:03,100 --> 00:24:05,700 would certainly encourage you to go to the old - 483 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,366 I think it's called the Old Santee State Canal Park. 484 00:24:08,466 --> 00:24:11,000 ...it's just a lovely place to go and while 485 00:24:11,100 --> 00:24:12,666 you're there you might enjoy riding around 486 00:24:12,766 --> 00:24:17,566 Moncks Corner, a nice historic community. 487 00:24:17,666 --> 00:24:20,833 So, let's see. Terasa I know I think this is when 488 00:24:20,933 --> 00:24:23,166 we are going to have our gardens spotlights. 489 00:24:23,266 --> 00:24:26,666 ...someone who has more than just one pretty part 490 00:24:26,766 --> 00:24:29,700 of their yard, which is sometimes in 491 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,733 South Carolina it's challenging to have, 492 00:24:31,833 --> 00:24:33,600 to keep a whole yard looking good. Isn't it? 493 00:24:33,700 --> 00:24:36,966 >> Oh my goodness. Yes, it's funny that you said it 494 00:24:37,066 --> 00:24:41,333 that way, because our spotlight is from Dia Daniels of Conway. 495 00:24:41,433 --> 00:24:44,966 ...She sent me a few photos, but I needed a few more 496 00:24:45,066 --> 00:24:46,866 and she's like, "I don't know if I'm 497 00:24:46,966 --> 00:24:49,600 "ready for this spotlight garden." I was like, 498 00:24:49,700 --> 00:24:53,300 I'm sure you can find enough photographs. ...She did. 499 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,433 but Dia started in a typical kind of 500 00:24:57,533 --> 00:25:00,133 residential neighborhood, and she said it was a 501 00:25:00,233 --> 00:25:03,433 naked lot. I hope I can say that on television. 502 00:25:03,533 --> 00:25:05,733 ...she's been slowly adding natives as she 503 00:25:05,833 --> 00:25:08,266 could find them. and you can really see an amazing 504 00:25:08,366 --> 00:25:11,366 transformation in her before and after shots of 505 00:25:11,466 --> 00:25:14,533 her front yard. She's got a nice buffer along the 506 00:25:14,633 --> 00:25:16,833 water's edge which you know that's near and 507 00:25:16,933 --> 00:25:19,833 dear to my heart and it's attractive to pollinators. 508 00:25:19,933 --> 00:25:22,100 You can see, she's got some caterpillars of the 509 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,366 black swallowtail feasting on her bronze fennel, 510 00:25:25,466 --> 00:25:27,933 and then a fenced area off her screened porch 511 00:25:28,033 --> 00:25:31,700 contains some landscape beds, a compost bin and a 512 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,000 rain barrel. So she's really got the 513 00:25:34,100 --> 00:25:37,666 environmentally friendly landscaping concept going on. 514 00:25:37,766 --> 00:25:39,666 ...I was going to say if Tony were with us, 515 00:25:39,766 --> 00:25:42,166 he would remind you that if you weren't from New York 516 00:25:42,266 --> 00:25:44,300 and grown up in McBee, South Carolina, you'd 517 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,100 probably say neck-ked instead of nay-ked. 518 00:25:47,566 --> 00:25:50,866 ...but tell us why it's nice to have things planted 519 00:25:50,966 --> 00:25:54,100 around the water sources, rather than just mowed 520 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,066 down to the water, Terasa, please. 521 00:25:56,166 --> 00:25:59,700 >> So, there are lots of reasons we would do that one, 522 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,466 it's going to just help stabilize the edge of 523 00:26:02,566 --> 00:26:06,533 that pond, so your valuable property isn't washing away. 524 00:26:06,633 --> 00:26:09,066 It also protects water quality, 525 00:26:09,166 --> 00:26:12,100 because the roots of those plants are going to 526 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,733 be able to soak in and absorb things that might 527 00:26:14,833 --> 00:26:17,200 be washing across the landscape - all things, 528 00:26:17,300 --> 00:26:20,000 you know, bacteria from pet waste, 529 00:26:20,100 --> 00:26:22,733 excess fertilizers and pesticides, you name it. 530 00:26:22,833 --> 00:26:25,066 Anything that we use can potentially end up in our 531 00:26:25,166 --> 00:26:27,666 water. So that buffer is going to slow the water down. 532 00:26:27,766 --> 00:26:30,433 Allow it to soak into the ground...then 533 00:26:30,533 --> 00:26:33,000 it can just be aesthetically pleasing, 534 00:26:33,100 --> 00:26:36,466 I think to have flowers around the edge. 535 00:26:36,566 --> 00:26:38,600 >> ...I believe that you've told me that it also 536 00:26:38,700 --> 00:26:41,600 discourages the count of the geese; 537 00:26:41,700 --> 00:26:46,333 that they feel like a predator might be there, 538 00:26:46,433 --> 00:26:49,600 and although I mean I know it's 539 00:26:49,700 --> 00:26:51,800 some people interested in them and all that, but they can 540 00:26:51,900 --> 00:26:55,033 be a real nuisance around waterways and I believe 541 00:26:55,133 --> 00:26:57,400 if you have that planting there that would 542 00:26:57,500 --> 00:27:01,000 discourage them and they can make a mess of an 543 00:27:01,100 --> 00:27:04,833 area, pretty quickly. >> Yes very messy, a lot of waste 544 00:27:04,933 --> 00:27:06,800 produced by those geese and you're right. So, it can 545 00:27:06,900 --> 00:27:10,466 discourage them if you have an area where you'd 546 00:27:10,566 --> 00:27:12,733 like to start putting plants in though, 547 00:27:12,833 --> 00:27:14,733 you'll have to protect the plants from the geese 548 00:27:14,833 --> 00:27:17,633 or they will eat them down, before they have a chance 549 00:27:17,733 --> 00:27:19,533 to grow up. We do know that they have a 550 00:27:19,633 --> 00:27:22,733 voracious appetite, and they produce a voracious 551 00:27:22,833 --> 00:27:26,333 amount of waste, as well, unfortunately. 552 00:27:26,433 --> 00:27:29,833 ...one thing about voracious appetites is 553 00:27:29,933 --> 00:27:31,900 I had one the other day, fortunately, because 554 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,600 Craig Ness is one of our crew members. He's the station 555 00:27:34,700 --> 00:27:36,533 manager here, as a matter of fact, has been 556 00:27:36,633 --> 00:27:38,966 telling us about a place he and his wife Sari love 557 00:27:39,066 --> 00:27:41,800 to go eat supper and he says, " It's just so wonderful and 558 00:27:41,900 --> 00:27:44,300 he's got a wonderful garden where he produces, 559 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,366 gets a lot of the produce, and...Craig has real 560 00:27:48,466 --> 00:27:51,366 good taste. I knew the food was good, but when we went up 561 00:27:51,466 --> 00:27:53,700 there to the Mediterranean Cafe and met 562 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:58,533 Azmi Jebali and saw the - it's almost a farm that 563 00:27:58,633 --> 00:28:02,800 they have, and then what they do with the produce there, 564 00:28:02,900 --> 00:28:05,633 it's also used to supply people who are in 565 00:28:05,733 --> 00:28:08,466 need in the community, and then they bring it in to 566 00:28:08,566 --> 00:28:13,566 the cafe, between being a remarkable farmer, 567 00:28:13,666 --> 00:28:16,800 greenhouse production and then a chef 568 00:28:16,900 --> 00:28:20,166 extraordinaire. It was a day to remember. 569 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:36,500 ♪ 570 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,466 I'm with Azmi Jebali and the Lexington 571 00:28:40,566 --> 00:28:44,933 Community Garden and Azmi, this is one heck 572 00:28:45,033 --> 00:28:48,866 of a garden. ...you actually have 573 00:28:48,966 --> 00:28:52,533 a whole regular job at a cafe, a restaurant. 574 00:28:52,633 --> 00:28:55,066 >> Yes, ma'am. I own a restaurant 575 00:28:55,166 --> 00:28:57,700 called the Mediterranean Cafe. 576 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,866 This farming idea started as 577 00:29:01,966 --> 00:29:04,633 a hobby and then I incorporated it with the 578 00:29:04,733 --> 00:29:07,966 restaurant as a Farm to Table 579 00:29:08,066 --> 00:29:09,000 way of doing business. 580 00:29:09,100 --> 00:29:11,233 You grew up on a farm in Israel, 581 00:29:11,333 --> 00:29:13,800 I believe. >> Yes ma'am. >> Came here and studied and have 582 00:29:13,900 --> 00:29:18,233 done a variety of things, and obviously that need 583 00:29:18,333 --> 00:29:20,600 to have your hands in the dirt was strong. 584 00:29:20,700 --> 00:29:25,500 >> I always had this in my blood, and it's the best 585 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,233 thing...I enjoy it the most. I always enjoyed 586 00:29:29,333 --> 00:29:31,900 farming and gardening, and I'm so happy. 587 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,533 I'm always happy when I'm here. 588 00:29:33,633 --> 00:29:38,533 Y'all have a massive amount of produce coming out 589 00:29:38,633 --> 00:29:43,200 of this garden and help people who might need food. 590 00:29:43,300 --> 00:29:45,533 How do you distribute it? 591 00:29:45,633 --> 00:29:50,900 Yeah, so a friend of mine Scott Emil and his wife Susan 592 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,200 had the idea for a nonprofit organization, 593 00:29:54,300 --> 00:29:57,433 a community garden and they needed help with that 594 00:29:57,533 --> 00:30:01,933 with the growing part of it. ...So, this is our 595 00:30:02,033 --> 00:30:05,400 third year actually. We produce so much 596 00:30:05,500 --> 00:30:09,566 and we distribute it through the churches and ministries, 597 00:30:09,666 --> 00:30:11,633 the police department sometimes. 598 00:30:11,733 --> 00:30:14,200 Wherever we can help, we do it. We do that. 599 00:30:14,300 --> 00:30:15,666 It's a lot just to pick. 600 00:30:15,766 --> 00:30:18,266 I think you got some help. We do have some help. 601 00:30:18,366 --> 00:30:21,300 We have the Tyler family. Charles Tyler and his family 602 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,333 from Salley. Yes. >>...they're very generous. 603 00:30:24,433 --> 00:30:27,333 They're always here helping, and if it wasn't for them, 604 00:30:27,433 --> 00:30:29,100 really we cannot do all this work. 605 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,400 He was a nice fellow. I enjoyed meeting him. 606 00:30:31,500 --> 00:30:35,633 ...the variety that's here is just stunning, and this is a 607 00:30:35,733 --> 00:30:40,333 small part, you have several fields, but in this one 608 00:30:40,433 --> 00:30:44,133 you've got a - really good head start on everything. 609 00:30:44,233 --> 00:30:47,766 ...it's interesting to think of using okra and corn 610 00:30:47,866 --> 00:30:50,900 in the Mediterranean dishes but you said, 611 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,833 you found ways to incorporate everything. 612 00:30:52,933 --> 00:30:54,800 Okra is very popular in the Middle East 613 00:30:54,900 --> 00:30:56,766 and in the Mediterranean area anyway 614 00:30:56,866 --> 00:31:00,300 So, that was... an easy dish for us to 615 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,066 - our vegetables to handle. 616 00:31:02,166 --> 00:31:03,600 It's pretty easy to serve fried okras 617 00:31:03,700 --> 00:31:05,800 to southerners. Isn't it? Yeah. 618 00:31:05,900 --> 00:31:09,833 ...then peppers, eggplants, squash and 619 00:31:09,933 --> 00:31:12,733 cucumbers, watermelons, 620 00:31:12,833 --> 00:31:18,666 cantaloupes, potatoes, beans... 621 00:31:18,766 --> 00:31:21,500 We got it all. You sure do, and you got - we saw 622 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,033 nice pollinators out here. Yes ma'am. 623 00:31:25,133 --> 00:31:27,633 One of the things, we are on that sandy 624 00:31:27,733 --> 00:31:31,100 Lexington county soil, and you are very conservative 625 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:36,666 with water. >> Yes, ma'am. We use drip irrigation. 626 00:31:36,766 --> 00:31:39,733 It uses a whole lot less water 627 00:31:39,833 --> 00:31:42,866 and it increases the production, actually, 628 00:31:42,966 --> 00:31:45,933 as compared to the sprinkler or flooding, 629 00:31:46,033 --> 00:31:47,466 or any other method. 630 00:31:47,566 --> 00:31:49,366 - and helps with diseases, as well. 631 00:31:49,466 --> 00:31:52,100 Exactly, and prevents the weeds. 632 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,833 You have less weeds to deal with, and you apply 633 00:31:54,933 --> 00:31:58,433 the water for the plant and we also have the 634 00:31:58,533 --> 00:32:01,100 luxury of to applying the fertilizer 635 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:02,400 through the drip irrigation. 636 00:32:02,500 --> 00:32:04,400 So, we don't have to have spreaders 637 00:32:04,500 --> 00:32:07,833 or anything else like that, a waste of fertilizer. 638 00:32:07,933 --> 00:32:09,800 We use about one third of what we're supposed 639 00:32:09,900 --> 00:32:11,866 to use in a conventional way. 640 00:32:11,966 --> 00:32:15,133 ...so that protects groundwater and runoff and helps 641 00:32:15,233 --> 00:32:17,266 with all those problems that sometimes happens 642 00:32:17,366 --> 00:32:19,133 with over fertilization. Yes ma'am. 643 00:32:19,233 --> 00:32:20,766 ...then to get an early start, 644 00:32:20,866 --> 00:32:23,566 you'll start on black plastic I believe. 645 00:32:23,666 --> 00:32:26,266 So, early in the year in the early spring 646 00:32:26,366 --> 00:32:31,300 we, our mulch - We call it plastic mulch, 647 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,866 which holds the moisture and also creates heat. 648 00:32:35,966 --> 00:32:39,000 It keeps the ground warm enough and ... 649 00:32:39,100 --> 00:32:41,400 it speeds, stimulates the growth, 650 00:32:41,500 --> 00:32:45,666 and speeds the plants. Once we hit 651 00:32:45,766 --> 00:32:49,066 ...the middle of May, we switch to - the 652 00:32:49,166 --> 00:32:52,366 plastic has two sides, black and white, we switch on the, 653 00:32:52,466 --> 00:32:55,433 if we're planting something new, we use the white side, 654 00:32:55,533 --> 00:32:58,066 which reflects the light toward the plant. 655 00:32:58,166 --> 00:33:00,666 The plant will consume that light to grow 656 00:33:00,766 --> 00:33:03,600 because plants need light and it keeps the ground 657 00:33:03,700 --> 00:33:06,033 cool and prevent the weeds at the same time. 658 00:33:06,133 --> 00:33:07,966 Yes, and so you'll be harvesting 659 00:33:08,066 --> 00:33:10,566 these summer crops, because you keep planning 660 00:33:10,666 --> 00:33:12,133 and we never know when we're 661 00:33:12,233 --> 00:33:14,100 going to get a freeze in South Carolina, right now. 662 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,533 So, it's a long growing season for you. 663 00:33:16,633 --> 00:33:22,300 So, most crops you can plant up to July ten, fifteen 664 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,333 and you will not have the risk of getting frost. 665 00:33:25,433 --> 00:33:28,733 Otherwise, after that you 666 00:33:28,833 --> 00:33:30,866 there are some crops that you can grow like 667 00:33:30,966 --> 00:33:35,200 leaves and greens, and leafy greens, 668 00:33:35,300 --> 00:33:37,833 and collards, kale, You do that, as well. 669 00:33:37,933 --> 00:33:39,066 We do that too, 670 00:33:39,166 --> 00:33:42,700 - but then a green house, and your customers 671 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,600 and the wonderful people with whom 672 00:33:45,700 --> 00:33:48,266 your friends help distribute the produce 673 00:33:48,366 --> 00:33:51,133 are having tomatoes in the winter time. 674 00:33:51,233 --> 00:33:53,433 I was blown away. 675 00:33:53,533 --> 00:33:57,066 So, the greenhouse 676 00:33:57,166 --> 00:34:01,866 was my idea, because we wanted to find 677 00:34:01,966 --> 00:34:05,966 a way to have continuous supply. Yes. 678 00:34:06,066 --> 00:34:08,133 Or almost continuous supply. 679 00:34:08,233 --> 00:34:11,900 So, it's been a good experience. 680 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,933 We've been successful with it, 681 00:34:14,033 --> 00:34:17,766 and as you saw, we have some nice 682 00:34:17,866 --> 00:34:21,666 plants there, nice tomatoes, nice yield too. 683 00:34:21,766 --> 00:34:24,166 Tremendous yield, and you got determinate 684 00:34:24,266 --> 00:34:26,333 and indeterminate and then you got the English 685 00:34:26,433 --> 00:34:30,366 cucumbers and I said, you started having tomatoes, 686 00:34:30,466 --> 00:34:34,233 how early? We, around January we'll have tomatoes. 687 00:34:34,333 --> 00:34:37,433 In January. Yeah, big red, juicy, slice of tomatoes. 688 00:34:37,533 --> 00:34:40,366 That is quite an accomplishment. 689 00:34:40,466 --> 00:34:42,766 We grow in plastic bags. We don't grow 690 00:34:42,866 --> 00:34:45,433 yet directly in the ground. Plastic bags 691 00:34:45,533 --> 00:34:49,633 with peat moss and drip irrigation again. 692 00:34:49,733 --> 00:34:52,700 Again being very conservative of water 693 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,600 and fertilizer. 694 00:34:54,700 --> 00:34:57,400 It's stunning to see that you were able to, in that 695 00:34:57,500 --> 00:35:00,633 small bag get that massive production of tomatoes. 696 00:35:00,733 --> 00:35:02,633 It's a continuous feeding. 697 00:35:02,733 --> 00:35:07,033 That's what it is... >> So, even though you have this 698 00:35:07,133 --> 00:35:10,133 wonderful old fashioned Farmall tractor, this is 699 00:35:10,233 --> 00:35:15,800 one heck of a modernized situation. Isn't it? >> Yes, 700 00:35:15,900 --> 00:35:20,333 I have a hobby. I like equipment and 701 00:35:20,433 --> 00:35:24,500 I like to do mechanical work, and during the 702 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,466 winter time...when it's slow, a project like this 703 00:35:27,566 --> 00:35:29,266 would be really nice to have around the house. 704 00:35:29,366 --> 00:35:30,733 As if you didn't have enough 705 00:35:30,833 --> 00:35:31,966 going on with your cafe. 706 00:35:32,066 --> 00:35:33,500 ...the wife keeps coming to the shop, 707 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,500 "When you coming inside? When you coming inside?" 708 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,666 Well, I am very excited to go over to the cafe 709 00:35:39,766 --> 00:35:42,633 and see how you incorporate some of this wonderful 710 00:35:42,733 --> 00:35:45,700 produce in your menu. 711 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,433 >> Let's go do that. Okay. 712 00:35:47,533 --> 00:36:19,333 ♪ 713 00:36:19,433 --> 00:36:22,266 >> Azmi, after a meal like that, I feel like I 714 00:36:22,366 --> 00:36:26,433 need a good snooze. What a delicious feast we've had 715 00:36:26,533 --> 00:36:28,733 with you, and we started with a good many 716 00:36:28,833 --> 00:36:31,933 appetizers and I think they're considered 717 00:36:32,033 --> 00:36:34,866 traditional. So, let's talk about what some of them were. 718 00:36:34,966 --> 00:36:37,366 >> One of the appetizers 719 00:36:37,466 --> 00:36:42,266 was the fried eggplant appetizer. 720 00:36:42,366 --> 00:36:45,800 We take eggplant, slice it about a third of an 721 00:36:45,900 --> 00:36:49,766 inch thick and we saute it either with olive oil 722 00:36:49,866 --> 00:36:53,533 or you can deep fry it - - but you did not 723 00:36:53,633 --> 00:36:56,766 coat it. It's not breaded. 724 00:36:56,866 --> 00:36:59,900 Then we top it with tomatoes, basil, 725 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,833 garlic, lemon juice, Yes. 726 00:37:03,933 --> 00:37:05,400 A little salt. 727 00:37:05,500 --> 00:37:08,866 It was just wonderfully refreshing. 728 00:37:08,966 --> 00:37:12,366 The second appetizer was the bruschetta, 729 00:37:12,466 --> 00:37:15,300 which is roasted pita bread, topped with tomatoes, 730 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,866 basil, garlic, olive oil, balsamic vinaigrette, 731 00:37:19,966 --> 00:37:21,433 and a touch of salt. 732 00:37:21,533 --> 00:37:25,066 - but as a child growing up in Israel, 733 00:37:25,166 --> 00:37:28,133 your grandparents farmed and 734 00:37:28,233 --> 00:37:32,166 you said that really just vegetables cook rather 735 00:37:32,266 --> 00:37:36,133 simply were the main way that y'all ate most of 736 00:37:36,233 --> 00:37:41,233 the time. Is that correct? That's correct. 737 00:37:41,333 --> 00:37:47,000 Our diet is high in vegetables and I was 738 00:37:47,100 --> 00:37:48,833 fortunate to grow up on a farm,... 739 00:37:48,933 --> 00:37:50,933 my grandparents were farmers. 740 00:37:51,033 --> 00:37:54,466 And my daddy after he retired from his job, 741 00:37:54,566 --> 00:37:56,766 he moved to the farm. 742 00:37:56,866 --> 00:37:59,633 So, we have a good, good connection to the land. 743 00:37:59,733 --> 00:38:02,766 ...we always enjoyed what we have on the farm. 744 00:38:02,866 --> 00:38:04,766 Actually people used to get jealous of us. 745 00:38:04,866 --> 00:38:08,566 So, we always had the freshest, 746 00:38:08,666 --> 00:38:10,433 the best looking vegetables 747 00:38:10,533 --> 00:38:12,600 and that's how we 748 00:38:12,700 --> 00:38:16,433 use that in our diet and without cooking. 749 00:38:16,533 --> 00:38:17,666 ...and in front of us 750 00:38:17,766 --> 00:38:21,133 we have two examples of vegetables being used as 751 00:38:21,233 --> 00:38:24,366 a way that people order when they come to the restaurant. 752 00:38:24,466 --> 00:38:27,900 This is our tomato mozzarella appetizer. 753 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,800 It's fresh tomatoes topped with mozzarella cheese 754 00:38:30,900 --> 00:38:35,100 and olives, olive oil, balsamic vinaigrette 755 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,500 and served with a pita bread. 756 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,800 ...then I saw the new little basil coming up 757 00:38:39,900 --> 00:38:41,900 in the green house today when I was out there. 758 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,366 Yes, and I'll be planting those 759 00:38:44,466 --> 00:38:47,066 smaller ones too in the field soon. 760 00:38:47,166 --> 00:38:49,533 ...here we have grilled vegetables that 761 00:38:49,633 --> 00:38:53,366 just look delicious. Yes. This is our most popular 762 00:38:53,466 --> 00:38:57,033 dish during lunchtime. It's basically a grilled 763 00:38:57,133 --> 00:39:01,500 chicken breast, with grilled vegetables. 764 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,200 We bring most of these vegetables from the farm; 765 00:39:04,300 --> 00:39:08,600 squash, zucchini, onions, tomatoes and peppers. 766 00:39:08,700 --> 00:39:12,200 ...always some parsley and basil on top of everything. 767 00:39:12,300 --> 00:39:13,766 That's for garnish, yes. 768 00:39:13,866 --> 00:39:16,766 >> But it's also for freshness. Don't you like that fresh taste 769 00:39:16,866 --> 00:39:18,233 it leaves in your mouth? 770 00:39:18,333 --> 00:39:19,600 >> Yes ma'am. >> Well, I think 771 00:39:19,700 --> 00:39:22,333 everything that went in mouth today was 772 00:39:22,433 --> 00:39:24,633 absolutely delicious, and I want to thank you for 773 00:39:24,733 --> 00:39:27,333 being part of the Farm-to-Table movement 774 00:39:27,433 --> 00:39:29,933 and reminding people that things that are grown 775 00:39:30,033 --> 00:39:33,000 locally, really are outstanding in flavor, 776 00:39:33,100 --> 00:39:35,500 and it helps the farmers, and it helps the Lexington 777 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,533 community garden, which does such a wonderful job 778 00:39:38,633 --> 00:39:40,766 providing food to people who are in need. 779 00:39:40,866 --> 00:39:42,066 Thank you for what you do. 780 00:39:42,166 --> 00:39:43,333 >> Thank you for having us. 781 00:39:43,433 --> 00:39:47,466 ♪ 782 00:39:51,633 --> 00:39:53,433 >> Next time, my children come home 783 00:39:53,533 --> 00:39:55,933 I'm going to get them to drive me up to 784 00:39:56,033 --> 00:39:59,066 Lexington to that wonderful Mediterranean cafe. 785 00:39:59,166 --> 00:40:00,866 They're always telling me how good the food out 786 00:40:00,966 --> 00:40:03,266 in Los Angeles is, but I think they're going to 787 00:40:03,366 --> 00:40:06,733 say, Oh mama. Y'all yeah really have a lot better food 788 00:40:06,833 --> 00:40:10,866 in South Carolina. It really was just that delicious. 789 00:40:10,966 --> 00:40:12,200 Thank you so much, Azmi, 790 00:40:12,300 --> 00:40:15,666 and for your nice family. Y'all were so kind to us that day. 791 00:40:15,766 --> 00:40:17,900 I went out to my friend, Ann Nolte's this morning, 792 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,066 because I didn't have anything for a hat. 793 00:40:20,166 --> 00:40:23,066 She's always so kind to me. We both got about a 794 00:40:23,166 --> 00:40:25,500 dozen mosquito bites. We were running around after 795 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,700 about five minutes and we got some celosia 796 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,000 and some mums, and then I came over here and there was liriope 797 00:40:31,100 --> 00:40:34,733 outside in the studio parking lot growing, 798 00:40:34,833 --> 00:40:38,400 and I got some sun coleus from Ann. 799 00:40:38,500 --> 00:40:40,200 Thank you, Ann. You are always so kind, 800 00:40:40,300 --> 00:40:41,433 helping me find something. 801 00:40:41,533 --> 00:40:43,766 ..thank you for all the gardening you do in your garden, 802 00:40:43,866 --> 00:40:45,200 so that I don't have to always have 803 00:40:45,300 --> 00:40:48,966 something in mine. Terasa, let's see if we 804 00:40:49,066 --> 00:40:50,833 can help somebody else with something that's going on 805 00:40:50,933 --> 00:40:55,033 in their yard. >> How about Grant from Columbia, who 806 00:40:55,133 --> 00:40:58,100 said what can I grow in my home landscape that 807 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,166 would be a good filler for arrangements? 808 00:41:01,266 --> 00:41:02,700 Ooh, well that's something I'd like to sure 809 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,533 know about. Keith, I'm going to next time I do an 810 00:41:06,633 --> 00:41:07,866 arrangement, I'm going to come up there 811 00:41:07,966 --> 00:41:09,833 and see if you'll let me cut some 812 00:41:09,933 --> 00:41:12,466 at your place, because you've got so many things with - 813 00:41:12,566 --> 00:41:14,300 you got an idea of something that you've 814 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,666 noticed would work well in that situation? >> Oh, yeah. 815 00:41:17,766 --> 00:41:20,633 We do - I do cut things for little events 816 00:41:20,733 --> 00:41:23,366 here in there in Historic Columbia and one of the 817 00:41:23,466 --> 00:41:25,466 plants that we have in the garden as a foliage 818 00:41:25,566 --> 00:41:27,600 accent has turned out really well in that 819 00:41:27,700 --> 00:41:31,833 capacity, so, what it is actually 820 00:41:31,933 --> 00:41:34,333 one of the beauty berries, and a lot of us here in 821 00:41:34,433 --> 00:41:36,900 South Carolina will be familiar with Callicarpa 822 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,400 Americana, which is just starting to color up now 823 00:41:40,500 --> 00:41:42,866 with the wonderful fuchsia berries. ...this is an 824 00:41:42,966 --> 00:41:46,800 Asian species. Callicarpa dichotoma. 825 00:41:46,900 --> 00:41:50,100 That is the Japanese beauty berry, 826 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,766 and the normal version of that species 827 00:41:52,866 --> 00:41:55,466 does make little purple berries, but as it 828 00:41:55,566 --> 00:41:58,300 turns out this particular selection 829 00:41:58,400 --> 00:41:59,866 really isn't growing for the berries. 830 00:41:59,966 --> 00:42:01,366 It doesn't set fruit very often. 831 00:42:02,933 --> 00:42:07,100 It's called Shiji Murasaki and it's commonly sold 832 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,633 under a trademark name of Wine Spritzer, 833 00:42:09,733 --> 00:42:12,666 if you're looking in the store for it, but it's got this 834 00:42:12,766 --> 00:42:15,333 really beautiful purple stem, 835 00:42:15,433 --> 00:42:18,300 and the leaves have this wonderful splash white 836 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:22,500 variegation all over them. ...and as it turns out when 837 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,100 you cut these for an arrangement, they really 838 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,333 do hold up and a lot of plants with these sort 839 00:42:26,433 --> 00:42:28,533 of thin broad leaves like this would weep, but this one 840 00:42:28,633 --> 00:42:31,366 doesn't do that. In the garden, it 841 00:42:31,466 --> 00:42:34,433 functions really well, as a filler or even as 842 00:42:34,533 --> 00:42:37,800 a screen, even though it is deciduous in the winter. 843 00:42:37,900 --> 00:42:39,333 It's a very vigorous plant. 844 00:42:39,433 --> 00:42:41,466 So, it can takes the cutting very well. 845 00:42:41,566 --> 00:42:43,666 Well, how big is it going to get? 846 00:42:43,766 --> 00:42:46,000 So the ultimate size on this 847 00:42:46,100 --> 00:42:49,500 would probably be almost 15 feet tall, 848 00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:54,400 but very, very easy to keep smaller than that. 849 00:42:54,500 --> 00:42:57,233 >> You could be getting filler to your heart's desire. 850 00:42:57,333 --> 00:43:00,600 Yes. Yes. >> ...it comes back faithfully, every year. 851 00:43:00,700 --> 00:43:03,133 >> Absolutely, it's a very, very tough, vigorous plant. 852 00:43:03,233 --> 00:43:05,266 Well and I love the native one. 853 00:43:05,366 --> 00:43:08,600 It seems to want to have some shade. 854 00:43:08,700 --> 00:43:10,533 Does this one want some shade? >> You know, 855 00:43:10,633 --> 00:43:13,300 this does best, I think with a part sun situation. 856 00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,633 It takes a little bit more sun, or a little bit 857 00:43:15,733 --> 00:43:17,966 less sun than that, but really more of a 858 00:43:18,066 --> 00:43:21,566 very, very bright shade with some morning sun. 859 00:43:21,666 --> 00:43:23,900 >>...is it in the trade yet? Or would you have to go through 860 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,033 a whole lot to trouble to find one, you think? 861 00:43:26,133 --> 00:43:29,100 >>...I don't know, it's not very popular. I will 862 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,366 say that I believe the wonderful nursery in 863 00:43:32,466 --> 00:43:35,033 North Augusta, Nurseries Caroliniana does carry it 864 00:43:35,133 --> 00:43:37,533 most of the time. Okay, well I think that sounds 865 00:43:37,633 --> 00:43:39,700 like something that people who enjoy 866 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,666 flower arranging would really like, because it's just 867 00:43:42,766 --> 00:43:44,500 one, you don't want to just have flower, flower 868 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,033 flower. Things get too stiff looking when you do that. 869 00:43:47,133 --> 00:43:49,766 You need something graceful to drape over. Thank you so 870 00:43:49,866 --> 00:43:51,800 much for telling me about that. 871 00:43:51,900 --> 00:43:54,900 I'm really glad to know about it. Well, Terasa, let's hit 872 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,933 another one. >> Sure. This one is from Ben in Florence. 873 00:43:58,033 --> 00:44:00,766 This was an email to me. It's more of a request, 874 00:44:00,866 --> 00:44:03,800 I guess, than a question. "At some point, could you get 875 00:44:03,900 --> 00:44:06,400 "the experts on Making It Grow to talk about the 876 00:44:06,500 --> 00:44:10,100 "invasive hammerhead worms. I see them all the time 877 00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,200 "in my yard." And Ben included a photo for us. 878 00:44:13,300 --> 00:44:16,866 Huh! ...and, I have not seen one in my yard. 879 00:44:16,966 --> 00:44:18,900 >> Me either >> Sometimes when I'm moving things, 880 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,333 I find that flat-headed thing, 881 00:44:21,433 --> 00:44:22,966 but whatever it is but - 882 00:44:23,066 --> 00:44:26,866 >> That's it. Land Planarian. >> Oh, okay. Well I do see it. 883 00:44:26,966 --> 00:44:29,500 Yeah, it's always under the cats' water bowl, 884 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,100 but I hadn't been worried about it. 885 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:32,933 Paul, do I need to be worried about it? 886 00:44:33,033 --> 00:44:35,566 They're commonly called... flat worms. 887 00:44:35,666 --> 00:44:38,066 There are several different species. 888 00:44:38,166 --> 00:44:43,733 We have one common one here that are kind of, shovel-headed, 889 00:44:43,833 --> 00:44:46,800 couple of longitudinal dark stripes down its back. 890 00:44:46,900 --> 00:44:48,300 Uh huh! 891 00:44:49,933 --> 00:44:51,800 ...there's a lot of things on the Internet 892 00:44:51,900 --> 00:44:54,966 about them, reporting them, 893 00:44:55,066 --> 00:44:56,733 and this, that and the other, 894 00:44:56,833 --> 00:44:58,933 and yet they've been established in the United 895 00:44:59,033 --> 00:45:05,533 States for over a century. They do feed on earthworms. 896 00:45:05,633 --> 00:45:08,900 I would imagine if you were an earthworm farmer 897 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,333 trying to raise worms and these got in there, 898 00:45:11,433 --> 00:45:13,066 you would probably - 899 00:45:13,166 --> 00:45:17,200 cause problems for you, but we have a strong enough 900 00:45:17,300 --> 00:45:19,266 native worm population. They're not going 901 00:45:19,366 --> 00:45:21,300 to devastate the earth worms. 902 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:26,266 The good thing is, they also eat things like slugs. 903 00:45:26,366 --> 00:45:31,833 So...anything that eats a slug is good with me. So, it's 904 00:45:31,933 --> 00:45:34,733 really not anything to worry about. You tend not 905 00:45:34,833 --> 00:45:38,700 to see them, unless we're having a lot of rainfall. 906 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,266 That definitely brings them out. Just kind of 907 00:45:41,366 --> 00:45:43,833 like the same thing when you, 908 00:45:43,933 --> 00:45:46,500 you suddenly see earthworms on the driveway. 909 00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,800 because you've had a lot of rain. 910 00:45:48,900 --> 00:45:52,400 I have gotten a lot more calls about them this year 911 00:45:52,500 --> 00:45:54,633 than what I've typically gotten, 912 00:45:54,733 --> 00:45:57,000 but they're really nothing, 913 00:45:57,100 --> 00:45:59,500 - nothing to be concerned about. 914 00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,166 >> Have y'all had as much rain in the upstate as we have 915 00:46:02,266 --> 00:46:04,233 down here? >> Well, it's just here and there. 916 00:46:04,333 --> 00:46:06,433 >> Here and there, yeah. Heavy rains. 917 00:46:06,533 --> 00:46:10,766 >> We've certainly had some periods of some heavy downpours 918 00:46:10,866 --> 00:46:14,000 for several days of rain, but we've had plenty 919 00:46:14,100 --> 00:46:16,800 of dryness in between. >> But, those heavy rains tend to 920 00:46:16,900 --> 00:46:19,266 be when they come up and you're more likely to see them? 921 00:46:19,366 --> 00:46:21,100 Right. >> Okay, but nothing to worry about. 922 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:22,733 >> Nothing to worry about. 923 00:46:22,833 --> 00:46:24,766 >> You don't need to report them to us. 924 00:46:24,866 --> 00:46:26,800 >> Don't need to try to eliminate it 925 00:46:26,900 --> 00:46:30,133 or anything. Just go pull weeds. >> Yeah and don't cut them in 926 00:46:30,233 --> 00:46:32,133 half, thinking you're doing good, because you 927 00:46:32,233 --> 00:46:35,833 just made two worms. >> Come on. >> Cause they - yeah - 928 00:46:35,933 --> 00:46:38,766 They will procreate. In fact, any fragment the breaks 929 00:46:38,866 --> 00:46:42,700 off their rear end will go ahead within a week or so 930 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,233 something really quick. .. That's sounds pretty 931 00:46:46,333 --> 00:46:50,600 weird - Okay. Alright. Well, Sean 932 00:46:50,700 --> 00:46:52,733 Flynn, our producers wife, called the other day, and 933 00:46:52,833 --> 00:46:55,500 she was beside herself with excitement, because 934 00:46:55,600 --> 00:47:00,300 she really is a scientist at heart, and she had seen 935 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:04,400 a turtle laying eggs in the front yard, and so we 936 00:47:04,500 --> 00:47:07,333 have a video of that. ...We were so fortunate that 937 00:47:07,433 --> 00:47:11,200 because when Andrew Grosse from DNR was talking to us, 938 00:47:11,300 --> 00:47:14,000 Sean sent it to him and he looked at it and he told us 939 00:47:14,100 --> 00:47:16,866 all about it and identified the turtle. 940 00:47:16,966 --> 00:47:20,300 ...it just made it all that much more fascinating. 941 00:47:23,933 --> 00:47:26,533 I'm sitting with Andrew Grosse and he is the state 942 00:47:26,633 --> 00:47:29,100 herpetologist for the South Carolina Department of 943 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,300 Natural Resources and Andrew, we had a curious 944 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,400 thing happen with one of our crew members here. 945 00:47:35,500 --> 00:47:38,766 Sean Flynn my producer's wife called 946 00:47:38,866 --> 00:47:42,533 and she was all excited and I mean really excited, 947 00:47:42,633 --> 00:47:44,733 because there was a turtle in her front yard 948 00:47:44,833 --> 00:47:47,766 laying eggs. ...they just live in this subdivision. 949 00:47:47,866 --> 00:47:50,833 I mean, there's not a pond or anything near by 950 00:47:50,933 --> 00:47:53,300 So, we've sent you the video and I think you're 951 00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,100 going to tell us a little bit about what's going on 952 00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,166 and what kind of turtle this is Yes, so I looked 953 00:47:59,266 --> 00:48:02,200 at the video. It's a yellow belly slider, 954 00:48:02,300 --> 00:48:05,966 large female, probably the most common 955 00:48:06,066 --> 00:48:09,100 turtle species we have here in South Carolina 956 00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:13,033 throughout the spring. Not usually too much 957 00:48:13,133 --> 00:48:15,033 later than this but spring and summer is when 958 00:48:15,133 --> 00:48:18,066 they're typically nesting, and those females will come 959 00:48:18,166 --> 00:48:21,400 up out of the water. Turtles have to lay 960 00:48:21,500 --> 00:48:23,866 their eggs out of the water, so during that time 961 00:48:23,966 --> 00:48:25,866 frame, they'll come out of the water find a suitable 962 00:48:25,966 --> 00:48:29,800 place to lay those eggs 963 00:48:29,900 --> 00:48:31,966 and it's always fun to watch the nest, 964 00:48:32,066 --> 00:48:34,000 but they'll find a good spot if they're not 965 00:48:34,100 --> 00:48:36,100 disturbed, they feel comfortable enough, they'll dig 966 00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,300 a hole with their back feet, drop those eggs in there, 967 00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,966 bury them and be on their way. So, really cool 968 00:48:43,066 --> 00:48:45,133 for anyone to experience and see those 969 00:48:45,233 --> 00:48:49,166 turtles laying eggs. ...so even though they- 970 00:48:49,266 --> 00:48:52,800 this turtle spends most of his life in or near the water, 971 00:48:52,900 --> 00:48:56,033 I guess. They want a dry and higher place 972 00:48:56,133 --> 00:48:57,866 ...for the eggs. 973 00:48:57,966 --> 00:49:01,000 Is that important for the eggs to safely develop? 974 00:49:01,100 --> 00:49:06,333 Or -? >> Yes, so real interesting with turtles. 975 00:49:06,433 --> 00:49:09,433 ...their hatchlings - 976 00:49:09,533 --> 00:49:11,766 whether or not their males or females is determined by 977 00:49:11,866 --> 00:49:13,500 the temperature. We call it temperature dependent 978 00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:17,800 sex determination, and where those females lay 979 00:49:17,900 --> 00:49:21,433 their eggs is going to determine the temperature 980 00:49:21,533 --> 00:49:23,300 at which they're incubated. So, if it's an open 981 00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,466 area and the sun's shining down they maybe warmer, 982 00:49:27,566 --> 00:49:29,933 and so you might get females. So, with the 983 00:49:30,033 --> 00:49:31,733 majority of turtle species we have here in 984 00:49:31,833 --> 00:49:35,066 South Carolina, warmer temperatures make females. 985 00:49:35,166 --> 00:49:37,866 Cooler temperatures make males 986 00:49:37,966 --> 00:49:43,000 and it's really just dependant on where that female 987 00:49:43,100 --> 00:49:44,033 ...lays her eggs. 988 00:49:44,133 --> 00:49:46,500 ...then, another advantage maybe to being 989 00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,933 in more open, sunny habitat and warmer temperatures, 990 00:49:50,033 --> 00:49:53,666 those eggs incubate a little bit quicker. 991 00:49:53,766 --> 00:49:55,500 So, they're not exposed to 992 00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,266 potential predators, while being in the ground as 993 00:49:58,366 --> 00:50:01,000 long and they might come, and they might hatch sooner 994 00:50:01,100 --> 00:50:03,366 and get into the water where, 995 00:50:03,466 --> 00:50:05,000 even for hatchling turtles, it's not safe, 996 00:50:05,100 --> 00:50:08,033 but the water is a safer place than being up on land. 997 00:50:08,133 --> 00:50:10,266 How many eggs do you suppose 998 00:50:10,366 --> 00:50:13,866 a yellow bellied slider usually lays? 999 00:50:13,966 --> 00:50:16,233 That's a good question. The number 1000 00:50:16,333 --> 00:50:18,933 of eggs any turtle can lay is going to be limited 1001 00:50:19,033 --> 00:50:21,266 by how much space it has. Right? 1002 00:50:21,366 --> 00:50:24,033 ...so yellow bellied sliders are a larger species. 1003 00:50:24,133 --> 00:50:28,866 They might have eight, maybe a dozen eggs, maybe more. 1004 00:50:28,966 --> 00:50:30,700 It also depends on how big those eggs are going 1005 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,700 to be, different turtles have different 1006 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:37,533 sized eggs. ...so it's going to vary, 1007 00:50:37,633 --> 00:50:41,833 but they certainly, based on their size, can 1008 00:50:41,933 --> 00:50:44,966 probably easily do ten or twelve eggs at a time. 1009 00:50:45,066 --> 00:50:49,166 ...and so when they emerge I guess it's a mad dash 1010 00:50:49,266 --> 00:50:51,566 to try to get to safety, because, I mean here you got 1011 00:50:51,666 --> 00:50:54,666 these little turtles and they don't know where the 1012 00:50:54,766 --> 00:50:56,666 water is, but they got to figure it out and try 1013 00:50:56,766 --> 00:51:00,500 to get there pretty quick. They do. A lot of - 1014 00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,066 There's some research looking at different 1015 00:51:02,166 --> 00:51:06,533 species and how they move towards the water. 1016 00:51:06,633 --> 00:51:09,566 Certain species do like to go towards the water, 1017 00:51:09,666 --> 00:51:11,933 but when you're talking about box turtles, 1018 00:51:12,033 --> 00:51:13,266 they don't need to be in water. 1019 00:51:13,366 --> 00:51:16,833 ...they might be looking for leaf litter or something 1020 00:51:16,933 --> 00:51:20,800 else to hide in. There's also some species if it's 1021 00:51:20,900 --> 00:51:23,233 a late nest or some species that nest later 1022 00:51:23,333 --> 00:51:25,566 in the year when it's colder and the turtles 1023 00:51:25,666 --> 00:51:28,700 will hatch and actually stay underground 1024 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,200 and wait till it's warmer to come up. 1025 00:51:32,300 --> 00:51:35,233 ...a lot of times they do that anyway, 1026 00:51:35,333 --> 00:51:37,666 where the first egg will hatch and they'll stay in there 1027 00:51:37,766 --> 00:51:40,366 until most or all of the eggs hatch and they come out 1028 00:51:40,466 --> 00:51:44,433 at one time, and a lot of times 1029 00:51:44,533 --> 00:51:47,366 I would say the majority of the time, 1030 00:51:47,466 --> 00:51:49,533 you never see them, you come back out to 1031 00:51:49,633 --> 00:51:51,766 where the nest was and there's a hole in the ground 1032 00:51:51,866 --> 00:51:54,900 and they're gone. (laughs) 1033 00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:56,266 >> Well, it sure was 1034 00:51:56,366 --> 00:51:58,666 exciting for all of us and we'll be - 1035 00:51:58,766 --> 00:52:01,300 we're going to hope that when we see that hole in the ground 1036 00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,033 that we had a wonderful survival rate 1037 00:52:04,133 --> 00:52:05,933 and thank you for sharing this with us today. 1038 00:52:06,033 --> 00:52:07,900 >> Absolutely, happy to do it. 1039 00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,833 >> Well, Terasa, we've got a little bit of time left. 1040 00:52:12,933 --> 00:52:14,833 Anything we can answer quickly, maybe? 1041 00:52:14,933 --> 00:52:17,333 Let's try to help Jane from Myrtle Beach 1042 00:52:17,433 --> 00:52:18,800 who says, "We moved 1043 00:52:18,900 --> 00:52:21,166 "from the mountains of Georgia where we successfully 1044 00:52:21,266 --> 00:52:23,300 "grew Dahlias. What do we need to do" 1045 00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,066 "differently now that we are in Myrtle Beach." 1046 00:52:26,166 --> 00:52:30,033 Well, I try to have days at home and usually 1047 00:52:30,133 --> 00:52:34,066 for me they do - they come into their own in the fall 1048 00:52:34,166 --> 00:52:37,166 when it gets cooler I'll have - but my friend 1049 00:52:37,266 --> 00:52:39,633 Ann Nolte, who of course has everything that does well 1050 00:52:39,733 --> 00:52:42,366 in her yard, but even she said this year I think 1051 00:52:42,466 --> 00:52:45,200 because it hasn't been so brutally hot this summer, 1052 00:52:45,300 --> 00:52:47,300 hers are coming in earlier. So here's some 1053 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:51,000 beautiful ones from her garden, but the Georgia 1054 00:52:51,100 --> 00:52:56,200 Dahlia Society has a really nice web page, 1055 00:52:56,300 --> 00:52:59,200 several pages long that tells you, which 1056 00:52:59,300 --> 00:53:01,733 ones are good for showing, because people love to 1057 00:53:01,833 --> 00:53:04,866 show Dahlias and win prizes, and which ones will do 1058 00:53:04,966 --> 00:53:08,266 better in hotter weather and are more productive, 1059 00:53:08,366 --> 00:53:09,966 and so I would encourage people to go there 1060 00:53:10,066 --> 00:53:12,300 and see about ordering ones that might be 1061 00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,100 even better for where - because 1062 00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:15,600 Myrtle Beach is pretty different from the 1063 00:53:15,700 --> 00:53:18,133 mountains of North Georgia. ...then if you 1064 00:53:18,233 --> 00:53:21,633 have a friend who has some, because I was, Ann's so 1065 00:53:21,733 --> 00:53:24,133 sweet and I know she's going to give me... 1066 00:53:24,233 --> 00:53:26,533 some of hers and I've got one that's I've got that 1067 00:53:26,633 --> 00:53:27,866 I'm going to divide with her, 1068 00:53:27,966 --> 00:53:32,033 but...they're like a sweet potato. 1069 00:53:32,133 --> 00:53:33,933 They're not like a potato. So, when you dig it get up 1070 00:53:34,033 --> 00:53:35,866 a lot of people think if you just - 1071 00:53:35,966 --> 00:53:37,100 Keith they think, don't you 1072 00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,133 think if they just break a piece of that root 1073 00:53:40,233 --> 00:53:42,500 issue off that that's going to make a new plant, 1074 00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:46,366 but that's not true is it? >> No. 1075 00:53:46,466 --> 00:53:51,800 I found that oftentimes, Dahlia roots kind of resemble 1076 00:53:51,900 --> 00:53:53,266 larger, thicker versions of day lilly 1077 00:53:53,366 --> 00:53:56,033 roots, so you would want to, if possible try 1078 00:53:56,133 --> 00:53:59,866 to retain a tuber intact, if you can. 1079 00:53:59,966 --> 00:54:02,600 ...really the top of the tuber where it's starting out 1080 00:54:02,700 --> 00:54:05,633 is where the stems are >> - Yeah >> going to 1081 00:54:05,733 --> 00:54:08,633 emerge from. >> because it's like a white 1082 00:54:08,733 --> 00:54:12,600 potato is really a underground stem and a 1083 00:54:12,700 --> 00:54:15,933 sweet potato and a dahlia is an underground root. So 1084 00:54:16,033 --> 00:54:19,466 you need to get some of this top like on this 1085 00:54:19,566 --> 00:54:22,100 sweet potato that I found in the kitchen 1086 00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,400 and didn't eat for supper last night. ...So you'd 1087 00:54:24,500 --> 00:54:27,133 need to cut it so that you were sure you - like I 1088 00:54:27,233 --> 00:54:29,700 can probably cut this maybe at least in half or 1089 00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:34,500 maybe in fours. Then I would know that I had 1090 00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,700 enough, had some real 1091 00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,166 tissue that would produce new stems. ...you said 1092 00:54:40,266 --> 00:54:43,366 you think that drainage and moisture. >> ...Yeah. I 1093 00:54:43,466 --> 00:54:45,466 would also add that, actually Dahlias if you 1094 00:54:45,566 --> 00:54:48,933 have any above ground tissue root pretty well. 1095 00:54:49,033 --> 00:54:51,566 >> Really?! >> So, if you cut the above ground tissue 1096 00:54:51,666 --> 00:54:55,866 and put a couple of nodes >> Okay. >> And some soil with 1097 00:54:55,966 --> 00:54:58,400 some... root hormone. you'll probably get it to 1098 00:54:58,500 --> 00:55:01,400 root, which is another way to do it, and yeah I would say that 1099 00:55:01,500 --> 00:55:04,400 in a place like Myrtle Beach in the coastal plain, 1100 00:55:04,500 --> 00:55:06,533 we really want to be careful that if you have them 1101 00:55:06,633 --> 00:55:08,700 in the garden over the winter, you want to keep 1102 00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,800 the soil not saturated, like well draining soil. 1103 00:55:12,900 --> 00:55:15,200 There's a saturated cold soil that's going to lead to a lot 1104 00:55:15,300 --> 00:55:18,800 of rot in those tupurs. >> Oh, okay. And people 1105 00:55:18,900 --> 00:55:21,033 think that the beach that everything there's sandy, 1106 00:55:21,133 --> 00:55:22,766 but when you think of all the construction that 1107 00:55:22,866 --> 00:55:25,966 goes on down there, you don't have any idea what 1108 00:55:26,066 --> 00:55:29,366 may have happened... in your yard. 1109 00:55:29,466 --> 00:55:31,366 It could have been dirt, soil brought in from lord 1110 00:55:31,466 --> 00:55:33,666 knows where. >> The water table being so much higher. 1111 00:55:33,766 --> 00:55:35,533 >> Yeah all kinds of things to consider. 1112 00:55:35,633 --> 00:55:39,333 Well, do sometimes people dig them up and put them in baskets 1113 00:55:39,433 --> 00:55:42,066 over them, >> - Mmm hmm >> - and save them that way too? 1114 00:55:42,166 --> 00:55:44,266 Okay, well anyway they are nice plans to have. 1115 00:55:44,366 --> 00:55:46,833 They're real pretty and again thank Ann for letting me 1116 00:55:46,933 --> 00:55:50,700 have some. She saved my life many times with hats. 1117 00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:52,100 That's all we have time for tonight. 1118 00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:53,933 I want to say thank you so much for being with us. 1119 00:55:54,033 --> 00:55:55,166 ...we'll see you next week. 1120 00:55:55,266 --> 00:55:58,533 ♪ 1121 00:55:58,633 --> 00:56:10,133 ♪ 1122 00:56:11,866 --> 00:56:15,066 Making it Grow is brought to you in part by 1123 00:56:15,166 --> 00:56:17,533 the South Carolina Department of Agriculture 1124 00:56:17,633 --> 00:56:20,433 Certified South Carolina Grown helps consumers 1125 00:56:20,533 --> 00:56:24,666 identify, find, and buy South Carolina products, 1126 00:56:24,766 --> 00:56:27,466 McLeod Farms in Mcbee, South Carolina. 1127 00:56:27,566 --> 00:56:31,266 This family farm offers seasonal produce including 1128 00:56:31,366 --> 00:56:34,400 over 22 varieties of peaches, 1129 00:56:34,500 --> 00:56:36,466 additional funding provided by 1130 00:56:36,566 --> 00:56:38,800 International Paper and the South Carolina 1131 00:56:38,900 --> 00:56:42,333 Farm Bureau Federation and Farm Bureau Insurance.