1 00:31:32,333 --> 00:31:35,133 (water splashing) 2 00:31:36,766 --> 00:31:39,333 (birds cawing) 3 00:32:05,266 --> 00:32:08,566 (peaceful guitar music) 4 00:32:14,300 --> 00:32:17,500 - [James] We used to have a brook that ran 5 00:32:17,500 --> 00:32:18,966 throughout our neighborhood, 6 00:32:18,966 --> 00:32:22,166 and it traversed many different areas 7 00:32:22,166 --> 00:32:23,966 where the kids would gather. 8 00:32:26,233 --> 00:32:28,433 It went by the sand pit, 9 00:32:28,433 --> 00:32:32,066 where we used to jump and see how far we could get. 10 00:32:32,066 --> 00:32:34,633 It went through the woods, 11 00:32:34,633 --> 00:32:37,400 where there was an archery course. 12 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,233 It went down the hill through the cow fields, 13 00:32:40,233 --> 00:32:42,733 where we used to go to build dams. 14 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,533 Each one of us would build a dam, 15 00:32:47,533 --> 00:32:51,500 and make what looked like little communities, 16 00:32:51,500 --> 00:32:53,666 and then when we were done, 17 00:32:53,666 --> 00:32:57,933 the real fun was to bust the first dam, 18 00:32:57,933 --> 00:33:02,066 and then the next site would be inundated, 19 00:33:02,066 --> 00:33:05,666 and everything would be destroyed, 20 00:33:05,666 --> 00:33:09,700 and then it would overflow, and the next dam would be hit. 21 00:33:09,700 --> 00:33:12,566 (laughs) We loved that. 22 00:33:13,733 --> 00:33:17,100 (peaceful guitar music) 23 00:33:17,100 --> 00:33:20,933 So that brook really coursed its way through our lives. 24 00:33:26,566 --> 00:33:29,700 I had a piece called Red Water Brook, a collage, 25 00:33:29,700 --> 00:33:31,733 and I guess it's a tribute to that. 26 00:33:32,733 --> 00:33:35,900 (mellow guitar music) 27 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,233 The goal in what I'm doing 28 00:33:41,233 --> 00:33:43,300 is to make the piece work, 29 00:33:43,300 --> 00:33:47,000 and that means that the colors are working together, 30 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,333 that it's cohesive. 31 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,366 I concentrate on color, and texture, 32 00:33:53,366 --> 00:33:56,800 and how that relates one to the other. 33 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,966 (mellow guitar music) 34 00:34:11,366 --> 00:34:14,200 (paper crinkling) 35 00:34:21,233 --> 00:34:24,633 (uplifting guitar music) 36 00:34:29,433 --> 00:34:31,866 Some years ago, I was doing many residencies 37 00:34:31,866 --> 00:34:36,766 in different places, and one was at Vermont Studio Center, 38 00:34:36,766 --> 00:34:40,533 and I was there for a month, 39 00:34:40,533 --> 00:34:43,333 and at some point during the month, 40 00:34:43,333 --> 00:34:46,166 we decided we were gonna throw a ball, 41 00:34:46,166 --> 00:34:47,700 and the theme of the ball 42 00:34:47,700 --> 00:34:52,700 was martyred saints and natural disasters, 43 00:34:54,033 --> 00:34:57,966 and I came as the most obvious martyred saint, Jesus, 44 00:34:59,500 --> 00:35:04,566 with blood on my face, and wearing just a loincloth, 45 00:35:05,433 --> 00:35:09,400 and a dirty, long-haired wig, 46 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,566 and a crown of thorns, which I made 47 00:35:11,566 --> 00:35:13,200 I think out of rosebushes. 48 00:35:15,333 --> 00:35:18,233 And I did a performance at the ball, 49 00:35:18,233 --> 00:35:22,033 it was kinda like a drag performance, 50 00:35:22,033 --> 00:35:27,033 and I sang a Sonny and Cher song, "I Got You, Babe", 51 00:35:28,333 --> 00:35:30,666 in a voice that mimicked Bob Dylan, 52 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,833 and I called for two volunteers from the audience 53 00:35:37,900 --> 00:35:42,000 who were also in costume to be my backup, 54 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,533 and who would you think volunteered? 55 00:35:45,533 --> 00:35:48,633 It was Joan of Arc, and Fire (laughs). 56 00:35:52,133 --> 00:35:56,466 So they sang backup, and they did a great job. 57 00:35:59,166 --> 00:36:01,266 I was very popular after that. 58 00:36:02,466 --> 00:36:06,200 I was very popular, it was very unusual, 59 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:11,200 very unusual for me to get so much attention 60 00:36:11,933 --> 00:36:13,066 after that performance. 61 00:36:18,566 --> 00:36:22,966 (lighthearted acoustic guitar music) 62 00:36:27,366 --> 00:36:30,066 Great Wass Island is such an amazing place. 63 00:36:31,933 --> 00:36:34,866 It's wild, and we see evidence 64 00:36:34,866 --> 00:36:37,866 of both life and death everywhere, 65 00:36:37,866 --> 00:36:40,000 going through the woods, and on the beach. 66 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:45,333 (lighthearted acoustic guitar music) 67 00:36:45,333 --> 00:36:49,100 You see the span of life, you see old growth, 68 00:36:49,100 --> 00:36:50,266 you see young growth. 69 00:36:50,266 --> 00:36:52,400 You see trees that have fallen 70 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,300 that have been there for years. 71 00:36:54,300 --> 00:36:56,966 You see trees that have just fallen, 72 00:36:56,966 --> 00:37:00,533 and everything is left for nature to take care of, 73 00:37:00,533 --> 00:37:04,466 and there's no human intervention there. 74 00:37:04,466 --> 00:37:08,500 Even the National Park lands like Acadia, they're kept up, 75 00:37:08,500 --> 00:37:11,366 and Great Wass Island is unique this way, I think. 76 00:37:12,433 --> 00:37:16,833 (lighthearted acoustic guitar music) 77 00:37:21,066 --> 00:37:24,333 The many times I've been there, I've seen very few people, 78 00:37:24,333 --> 00:37:27,833 and I love being the only one there, 79 00:37:27,833 --> 00:37:29,500 and feeling the space, 80 00:37:29,500 --> 00:37:33,800 and really feeling like I fill the space. 81 00:37:39,700 --> 00:37:42,133 Great Wass Island is dramatic, 82 00:37:42,133 --> 00:37:46,366 and Little Cape Point is compelling. 83 00:37:47,766 --> 00:37:52,233 It's wild, like much of the preserve is wild, or all of it. 84 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,466 The land reaches out into the water, 85 00:37:57,466 --> 00:38:02,533 and the growth is isolated, and surrounded by stone, 86 00:38:04,466 --> 00:38:09,466 and like many promontories, they are similar that way, 87 00:38:10,533 --> 00:38:12,200 often growth surrounded by stone. 88 00:38:13,633 --> 00:38:17,533 (mellow acoustic guitar music) 89 00:38:34,333 --> 00:38:37,500 (lively guitar music) 90 00:39:04,166 --> 00:39:08,566 (introspective guitar music) 91 00:39:08,566 --> 00:39:09,833 (paper ripping) 92 00:39:09,833 --> 00:39:12,333 I grew up in a small town in Maine. 93 00:39:17,066 --> 00:39:18,900 It was a happy childhood, I guess, 94 00:39:18,900 --> 00:39:21,800 but I would also say that I was troubled 95 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,666 growing up as well, in a way. 96 00:39:27,633 --> 00:39:30,166 It got to a point that I realized 97 00:39:30,166 --> 00:39:33,966 school wasn't the most important thing to me anymore. 98 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,300 I studied a lot, and expected totally 99 00:39:39,300 --> 00:39:44,300 to go the college route, but it was my introduction 100 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,600 to dealing with bureaucracy. 101 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,733 I had all the credits to graduate as a Junior, 102 00:39:51,733 --> 00:39:54,500 only lacking Senior English as a credit, 103 00:39:54,500 --> 00:39:57,500 because I took Senior English as a Junior, 104 00:39:57,500 --> 00:40:00,366 and the whole point for me was that I wanted 105 00:40:00,366 --> 00:40:03,833 to graduate early to move to Boston, 106 00:40:03,833 --> 00:40:07,500 and to start living 107 00:40:07,500 --> 00:40:10,533 what I considered my life for the first time. 108 00:40:10,533 --> 00:40:13,300 (frenetic music) 109 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,966 So I decided to quit high school, 110 00:40:17,966 --> 00:40:22,966 and I left for Boston to really start my life, 111 00:40:24,166 --> 00:40:26,233 and that's what it felt like, 112 00:40:26,233 --> 00:40:30,466 to come out as a gay man, and to pursue my life, 113 00:40:30,466 --> 00:40:35,366 which felt hindered back in Maine. 114 00:40:35,366 --> 00:40:37,066 This was in the 1970s. 115 00:40:43,133 --> 00:40:44,566 It would have been impossible 116 00:40:44,566 --> 00:40:47,800 for me to feel comfortable there at that time. 117 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,533 (frenetic music) 118 00:41:03,266 --> 00:41:06,000 (birds chirping) 119 00:41:19,566 --> 00:41:23,666 (peaceful acoustic guitar music) 120 00:41:57,866 --> 00:42:00,833 I really feel I'm creating when I'm in the garden, 121 00:42:00,833 --> 00:42:03,866 and I think there are parallels 122 00:42:03,866 --> 00:42:08,866 to how I work outside, and how I work inside on my art. 123 00:42:15,300 --> 00:42:18,100 I am a methodical worker, 124 00:42:18,100 --> 00:42:23,066 I like to work at a slow and steady pace. 125 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:28,800 Sometimes someone will ask me, 126 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,700 "Why don't you use a wheelbarrow to move those stones?" 127 00:42:32,700 --> 00:42:35,600 And for me, that would feel laborious, 128 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:40,200 where carrying a stone in my hands 129 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:45,200 feels like a meditation, and I think in my art, too, 130 00:42:46,333 --> 00:42:49,300 I like a process that is slow in coming. 131 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,866 I don't respond to something immediate, 132 00:42:56,866 --> 00:43:00,266 like the splash of paint, creating an image that way. 133 00:43:17,766 --> 00:43:20,466 (birds chirping) 134 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,500 (cautious guitar music) 135 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,866 I like to go to cemeteries. 136 00:43:32,866 --> 00:43:36,300 It's not so much to look at the stones, 137 00:43:36,300 --> 00:43:38,766 but to look at the landscape. 138 00:43:39,966 --> 00:43:42,866 My first introduction to landscaping 139 00:43:42,866 --> 00:43:46,166 was when I worked in the cemeteries 140 00:43:46,166 --> 00:43:48,633 in my neighborhood growing up. 141 00:43:48,633 --> 00:43:53,633 (gritty guitar music) (crows cawing) 142 00:43:54,966 --> 00:43:58,900 We did some planting and care-taking. 143 00:43:58,900 --> 00:44:03,966 It was really park-like, and many cemeteries are like parks, 144 00:44:05,100 --> 00:44:07,766 with shrubs, and trees, and where I worked, 145 00:44:07,766 --> 00:44:09,733 there was a lot of attention put to 146 00:44:09,733 --> 00:44:14,000 how the grounds were presented. 147 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,333 (ethereal guitar music) 148 00:44:29,533 --> 00:44:32,933 (methodical guitar music) 149 00:44:45,233 --> 00:44:48,700 (paper ripping) 150 00:44:48,700 --> 00:44:49,900 Glue it and put it, 151 00:44:49,900 --> 00:44:52,333 so now I'm just gonna straighten it. 152 00:44:52,333 --> 00:44:56,033 (methodical acoustic guitar music) 153 00:44:56,033 --> 00:45:00,500 At 17, I decided to leave the country and go to Europe, 154 00:45:00,500 --> 00:45:04,166 and I told everyone that I knew, including my parents, 155 00:45:04,166 --> 00:45:06,700 that I wouldn't be contacting anybody. 156 00:45:06,700 --> 00:45:09,400 It turned out to be a couple of years. 157 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:14,366 I needed to see what it was that I am. 158 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:20,000 I was feeling that so much of who I am 159 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:25,000 is reflected in everyone I know, 160 00:45:26,166 --> 00:45:27,933 and I wanted to feel what it was like 161 00:45:27,933 --> 00:45:32,833 to be free of that, free of what people expected of me. 162 00:45:39,633 --> 00:45:41,300 Being in Europe, one of the things 163 00:45:41,300 --> 00:45:43,633 that impressed me most was in Spain, 164 00:45:43,633 --> 00:45:48,200 seeing the anarchist symbol graffitied on walls everywhere, 165 00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,200 and I really loved seeing that, 166 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,500 because it felt like 167 00:45:53,500 --> 00:45:56,700 there were like-minded people all around me. 168 00:45:56,700 --> 00:46:01,666 I went to Spain to do an action at Gibraltar, 169 00:46:01,666 --> 00:46:04,533 to protest, in a group, 170 00:46:04,533 --> 00:46:08,500 fighting against the border being closed 171 00:46:08,500 --> 00:46:10,166 on the Spanish side, 172 00:46:11,533 --> 00:46:14,166 and the border was closed because Spain wanted 173 00:46:14,166 --> 00:46:19,166 to force Britain to yield the island to Spain, 174 00:46:20,133 --> 00:46:23,433 and we went to the beach, 175 00:46:23,433 --> 00:46:27,966 and swam about a mile to the island, 176 00:46:27,966 --> 00:46:31,933 and were chased by the Spanish police in motorized boats, 177 00:46:31,933 --> 00:46:34,033 so we arrived on the island, 178 00:46:34,033 --> 00:46:37,833 and were arrested by the British police for illegal entry, 179 00:46:37,833 --> 00:46:42,433 and the next day, we got to the high fence 180 00:46:42,433 --> 00:46:46,533 at the Spanish border, and we climbed over it, 181 00:46:46,533 --> 00:46:49,733 and entered Spain, and for that, 182 00:46:49,733 --> 00:46:53,000 we were deported to Perpignan, France, 183 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:58,000 in an overnight truck with semi-automatics pointed at us. 184 00:47:11,133 --> 00:47:14,533 (water splashing) 185 00:47:14,533 --> 00:47:19,400 I think if I were able to choose a personality, 186 00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:24,266 I would love to be someone who was oriented toward people, 187 00:47:24,266 --> 00:47:29,266 but I'm not, and that colors my life 188 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,133 as an artist, and just as a human being. 189 00:47:33,133 --> 00:47:35,633 It is one aspect of my life 190 00:47:35,633 --> 00:47:40,066 that has posed the greatest challenge. 191 00:47:40,066 --> 00:47:42,666 (quirky music) 192 00:47:44,166 --> 00:47:46,933 (waves crashing) 193 00:47:54,966 --> 00:47:57,600 (mellow guitar music) 194 00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,133 I hadn't heard of the cliffs at Ironbound. 195 00:48:00,133 --> 00:48:03,666 I first saw them from Winter Harbor, 196 00:48:03,666 --> 00:48:08,200 and was just mesmerized, and seeing them from a distance, 197 00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:09,933 I was really intrigued. 198 00:48:11,566 --> 00:48:15,100 Even though I enjoyed seeing the cliffs up close, 199 00:48:16,266 --> 00:48:20,100 I didn't need that to depict them, 200 00:48:20,100 --> 00:48:22,966 because I could imagine how they looked. 201 00:48:24,133 --> 00:48:28,033 (man singing in foreign language) 202 00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,500 - [James] I just did different configurations, 203 00:48:32,500 --> 00:48:36,200 basically just putting shapes together. 204 00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:40,366 (man singing in foreign language) 205 00:48:52,033 --> 00:48:54,033 - There's too much happening in the sky. 206 00:48:55,166 --> 00:48:59,933 It's competing with everything else, 207 00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:05,400 especially the rocks, and the sky should be more serene, 208 00:49:08,933 --> 00:49:12,500 or the rocks should be plain, 209 00:49:12,500 --> 00:49:15,866 and not many different colors and patterns. 210 00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,066 You know, it's a peaceful scene, 211 00:49:22,066 --> 00:49:27,066 and it should convey that, and the colors 212 00:49:27,933 --> 00:49:29,466 are doing just the opposite. 213 00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,800 Yeah, I think this piece is gonna change. 214 00:49:41,300 --> 00:49:44,466 (mellow guitar music) 215 00:49:46,700 --> 00:49:51,133 Great Wass Island is wild, and nothing is tended, 216 00:49:51,133 --> 00:49:55,000 or cared for, and it's interesting to me 217 00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,400 that in the garden, I'm just the opposite, 218 00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:01,033 where I'm pulling out all the dead things that I can find, 219 00:50:01,033 --> 00:50:03,800 and I'm pulling out growth that I don't want, 220 00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,766 and I'm really controlling the environment 221 00:50:07,766 --> 00:50:11,400 in a significant way, but a garden is about 222 00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,033 bringing order into nature. 223 00:50:16,300 --> 00:50:19,200 I'm reading a book by Vita Sackville-West, 224 00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:23,300 who was an avid gardener in the late 1800s, early 1900s, 225 00:50:23,300 --> 00:50:28,300 and she says, "To be a gardener, you need to be ruthless." 226 00:50:29,166 --> 00:50:30,700 And so I keep that in mind 227 00:50:30,700 --> 00:50:33,366 as I'm pulling out the Black Eyed Susan. 228 00:50:33,366 --> 00:50:36,266 I really love the flower, but overall, 229 00:50:36,266 --> 00:50:39,600 it just is, well it's causing disorder. 230 00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,966 The garden looks disorderly, 231 00:50:41,966 --> 00:50:45,233 and so I'm replacing them with Echinacea, 232 00:50:45,233 --> 00:50:48,700 and some other plants that look good all summer, 233 00:50:48,700 --> 00:50:52,166 and don't die quickly. 234 00:50:52,166 --> 00:50:54,833 (water hissing) 235 00:50:57,466 --> 00:50:59,900 I like to go hiking a lot in this area, 236 00:50:59,900 --> 00:51:02,233 and one of the things that I do 237 00:51:02,233 --> 00:51:07,233 is pay attention to the plant life on these hikes, 238 00:51:08,333 --> 00:51:12,033 and I let that influence the choices I make 239 00:51:12,033 --> 00:51:14,866 in what I introduce into the garden. 240 00:51:16,300 --> 00:51:21,200 I grow a lot of Thyme: Creeping Thyme, Wooly Thyme both, 241 00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:25,266 and the Thyme makes me think of carpets of lichen 242 00:51:25,266 --> 00:51:27,300 that I see in the forest or in the woods. 243 00:51:28,766 --> 00:51:31,933 (mellow guitar music) 244 00:51:36,900 --> 00:51:38,500 (peaceful guitar music) 245 00:51:38,500 --> 00:51:41,033 For many years, I've been coming to Sorrento, Maine, 246 00:51:41,033 --> 00:51:43,400 for the summer, and the rest of the year 247 00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,266 I'm in the San Francisco Bay area, 248 00:51:45,266 --> 00:51:46,966 with my partner, John. 249 00:51:46,966 --> 00:51:49,766 We've been together 35 years. 250 00:51:52,700 --> 00:51:54,000 John and I were so excited 251 00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,000 when we found out that Sorrento 252 00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,500 was the smallest town in Maine 253 00:51:58,500 --> 00:52:02,900 that passed an anti-bias ordinance on behalf of gay people. 254 00:52:07,166 --> 00:52:11,566 I've noticed that if John weren't part of my life, 255 00:52:11,566 --> 00:52:15,133 being here alone feels so much different 256 00:52:15,133 --> 00:52:17,800 than how it feels, 257 00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,366 so his presence is here even though I'm alone. 258 00:52:24,300 --> 00:52:28,700 I explore the Maine Coast, which I love, 259 00:52:28,700 --> 00:52:32,333 and especially the area around here, around Acadia, 260 00:52:32,333 --> 00:52:33,400 and further down east. 261 00:52:34,633 --> 00:52:38,633 (peaceful guitar music) 262 00:52:38,633 --> 00:52:43,066 Yeah, inspiration, I get inspiration 263 00:52:43,066 --> 00:52:45,666 from the landscape around me, 264 00:52:45,666 --> 00:52:47,566 and that continues. 265 00:52:47,566 --> 00:52:50,300 I'm drawn to doing abstract work, 266 00:52:50,300 --> 00:52:54,233 but I keep going back to doing the landscape, 267 00:52:54,233 --> 00:52:58,066 and I guess it's a source of inspiration 268 00:52:58,066 --> 00:53:00,433 that doesn't dry up. 269 00:53:00,433 --> 00:53:04,766 There's always a different way to interpret what you see. 270 00:53:04,766 --> 00:53:08,100 (peaceful guitar music) 271 00:53:15,466 --> 00:53:19,100 Oh, okay, so I'm not sure how to state that. 272 00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,366 - [Rick] What I need you stating in some way 273 00:53:24,366 --> 00:53:26,333 is the name of the piece. 274 00:53:26,333 --> 00:53:28,800 Cape Little whatever it's called. 275 00:53:29,933 --> 00:53:31,233 (mellow guitar music) 276 00:53:31,233 --> 00:53:33,100 - I'm gonna say Great Wass Island, you know, 277 00:53:33,966 --> 00:53:37,366 because that I know. 278 00:53:37,366 --> 00:53:40,466 (mellow guitar music) 279 00:53:40,466 --> 00:53:42,266 - [Rick] If the name of the piece 280 00:53:42,266 --> 00:53:45,266 ends up being "Cape Point"-- - It won't be that. 281 00:53:45,266 --> 00:53:46,700 - [Rick] You said it might be-- 282 00:53:46,700 --> 00:53:50,533 - [James] Right, Promontory, One Wass Island Point, 283 00:53:51,700 --> 00:53:54,666 Great Wass Island-- - You won't say little? 284 00:53:54,666 --> 00:53:56,333 - [James] No, I'm not gonna call it that. 285 00:53:56,333 --> 00:53:58,066 - [Rick] Little, what the hell is it? 286 00:53:58,066 --> 00:53:59,600 - [James] Little Cape Point. 287 00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,266 - [Rick] Little Cape Point, yeah. 288 00:54:06,866 --> 00:54:09,700 - [James] I mean, it works okay for a piece, 289 00:54:09,700 --> 00:54:12,100 because no one's, they'll look at it and say, 290 00:54:12,100 --> 00:54:13,500 "Well, this is cute." 291 00:54:13,500 --> 00:54:15,766 And then they won't remember it, and it's fine, 292 00:54:15,766 --> 00:54:17,766 but for you, you need something 293 00:54:17,766 --> 00:54:19,566 that people will remember. 294 00:54:19,566 --> 00:54:20,900 - [Rick] No, but it could be 295 00:54:20,900 --> 00:54:23,900 a simpler version of it, like Making Cape Point. 296 00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,666 And that's its actual name. 297 00:54:27,833 --> 00:54:30,066 - [James] Yeah, but Cape Point, it's weird, 298 00:54:30,066 --> 00:54:33,166 and I find it an odd name. 299 00:54:36,100 --> 00:54:38,966 - Why? - To me, cape and point 300 00:54:38,966 --> 00:54:42,800 seem either synonymous, or close to it. 301 00:54:44,900 --> 00:54:46,400 - [Rick] It's still a beautiful point. 302 00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:47,400 - [James] It's a beautiful point, 303 00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,333 and I'm not hung up on the name. 304 00:54:49,333 --> 00:54:51,200 I don't think of the name. 305 00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,666 - [Rick] Then why not just call it Little Cape Point, 306 00:54:54,666 --> 00:54:57,733 and then we can also call the film that? 307 00:54:57,733 --> 00:54:58,966 (mellow guitar music) 308 00:54:58,966 --> 00:55:02,100 (sandpaper gritting) 309 00:55:03,666 --> 00:55:07,433 (introspective guitar music) 310 00:55:56,300 --> 00:55:58,000 - [James] The four Great Wass images that I did 311 00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,900 are each a different location on Great Wass Island. 312 00:56:03,866 --> 00:56:06,600 Great Wass Island One, 313 00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:08,633 or I guess it's called Great Wass One, 314 00:56:10,266 --> 00:56:12,666 the dominant color of that one is blue, 315 00:56:12,666 --> 00:56:14,200 and I typically avoid blue. 316 00:56:17,300 --> 00:56:21,600 In Great Wass Two, the bright green of the grass 317 00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:25,300 is central, and gives a contrast 318 00:56:25,300 --> 00:56:28,833 with the lighter scheme of the rest of the piece. 319 00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:35,133 For Great Wass Three, the bright golden yellow-orange color 320 00:56:36,433 --> 00:56:40,133 of the seaweed give it some nice contrast. 321 00:56:40,133 --> 00:56:45,133 Also, with this one, I have the high tide mark of the rock. 322 00:56:51,700 --> 00:56:53,400 I would say the dominant feature 323 00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,400 of the Great Wass Four is the sky. 324 00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:01,466 It's a very detailed and moody vision of the sky. 325 00:57:03,266 --> 00:57:06,533 It's different from the other three Great Wasses 326 00:57:06,533 --> 00:57:10,133 in that there's more nuance in the depiction. 327 00:57:12,033 --> 00:57:15,200 (mellow guitar music) 328 00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,366 (gentle guitar music) 329 00:57:49,566 --> 00:57:52,566 When I work, the image makes certain demands 330 00:57:52,566 --> 00:57:55,533 that guide the outcome of the piece I'm working on. 331 00:57:56,500 --> 00:57:58,733 In art, like in life, 332 00:57:58,733 --> 00:58:02,133 you don't always know how things are gonna turn out. 333 00:58:03,733 --> 00:58:07,066 (water splashing) 334 00:58:07,066 --> 00:58:10,233 (gentle guitar music) 335 00:58:18,433 --> 00:58:21,466 At 17, I wanted to feel what it was like 336 00:58:21,466 --> 00:58:25,666 to be free of what people expected of me, 337 00:58:26,866 --> 00:58:31,300 and I'm not sure what I discovered in that. 338 00:58:31,300 --> 00:58:34,733 (uplifting guitar music)