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(water splashing)

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(birds cawing)

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(peaceful guitar music)

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- [James] We used to
have a brook that ran

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throughout our neighborhood,

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and it traversed
many different areas

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where the kids would gather.

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It went by the sand pit,

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where we used to jump and
see how far we could get.

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It went through the woods,

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where there was
an archery course.

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It went down the hill
through the cow fields,

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where we used to
go to build dams.

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Each one of us
would build a dam,

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and make what looked
like little communities,

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and then when we were done,

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the real fun was to
bust the first dam,

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and then the next site
would be inundated,

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and everything
would be destroyed,

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and then it would overflow,
and the next dam would be hit.

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(laughs) We loved that.

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(peaceful guitar music)

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So that brook really coursed
its way through our lives.

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I had a piece called Red
Water Brook, a collage,

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and I guess it's
a tribute to that.

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(mellow guitar music)

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The goal in what I'm doing

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is to make the piece work,

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and that means that the
colors are working together,

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that it's cohesive.

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I concentrate on
color, and texture,

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and how that relates
one to the other.

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(mellow guitar music)

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(paper crinkling)

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(uplifting guitar music)

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Some years ago, I was
doing many residencies

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in different places, and one
was at Vermont Studio Center,

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and I was there for a month,

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and at some point
during the month,

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we decided we were
gonna throw a ball,

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and the theme of the ball

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was martyred saints
and natural disasters,

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and I came as the most
obvious martyred saint, Jesus,

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with blood on my face, and
wearing just a loincloth,

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and a dirty, long-haired wig,

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and a crown of
thorns, which I made

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I think out of rosebushes.

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And I did a performance
at the ball,

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it was kinda like
a drag performance,

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and I sang a Sonny and Cher
song, "I Got You, Babe",

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in a voice that
mimicked Bob Dylan,

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and I called for two
volunteers from the audience

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who were also in
costume to be my backup,

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and who would you
think volunteered?

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It was Joan of Arc,
and Fire (laughs).

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So they sang backup, and
they did a great job.

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I was very popular after that.

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I was very popular,
it was very unusual,

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very unusual for me to
get so much attention

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after that performance.

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(lighthearted
acoustic guitar music)

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Great Wass Island is
such an amazing place.

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It's wild, and we see evidence

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of both life and
death everywhere,

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going through the
woods, and on the beach.

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(lighthearted
acoustic guitar music)

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You see the span of
life, you see old growth,

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you see young growth.

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You see trees that have fallen

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that have been there for years.

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You see trees that
have just fallen,

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and everything is left for
nature to take care of,

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and there's no human
intervention there.

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Even the National Park lands
like Acadia, they're kept up,

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and Great Wass Island is
unique this way, I think.

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(lighthearted
acoustic guitar music)

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The many times I've been there,
I've seen very few people,

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and I love being
the only one there,

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and feeling the space,

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and really feeling
like I fill the space.

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Great Wass Island is dramatic,

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and Little Cape
Point is compelling.

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It's wild, like much of the
preserve is wild, or all of it.

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The land reaches
out into the water,

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and the growth is isolated,
and surrounded by stone,

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and like many promontories,
they are similar that way,

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often growth
surrounded by stone.

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(mellow acoustic guitar music)

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(lively guitar music)

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(introspective guitar music)

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(paper ripping)

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I grew up in a
small town in Maine.

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It was a happy
childhood, I guess,

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but I would also say
that I was troubled

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growing up as well, in a way.

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It got to a point
that I realized

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school wasn't the most
important thing to me anymore.

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I studied a lot,
and expected totally

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to go the college route,
but it was my introduction

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to dealing with bureaucracy.

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I had all the credits
to graduate as a Junior,

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only lacking Senior
English as a credit,

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because I took Senior
English as a Junior,

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and the whole point for
me was that I wanted

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to graduate early
to move to Boston,

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and to start living

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what I considered my
life for the first time.

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(frenetic music)

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So I decided to
quit high school,

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and I left for Boston
to really start my life,

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and that's what it felt like,

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to come out as a gay man,
and to pursue my life,

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which felt hindered
back in Maine.

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This was in the 1970s.

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It would have been impossible

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for me to feel comfortable
there at that time.

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(frenetic music)

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(birds chirping)

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(peaceful acoustic guitar music)

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I really feel I'm creating
when I'm in the garden,

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and I think there are parallels

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to how I work outside, and
how I work inside on my art.

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I am a methodical worker,

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I like to work at a
slow and steady pace.

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Sometimes someone will ask me,

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"Why don't you use a wheelbarrow
to move those stones?"

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And for me, that
would feel laborious,

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where carrying a
stone in my hands

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feels like a meditation,
and I think in my art, too,

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I like a process that
is slow in coming.

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I don't respond to
something immediate,

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like the splash of paint,
creating an image that way.

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(birds chirping)

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(cautious guitar music)

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I like to go to cemeteries.

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It's not so much to
look at the stones,

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but to look at the landscape.

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My first introduction
to landscaping

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was when I worked
in the cemeteries

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in my neighborhood growing up.

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(gritty guitar music)
(crows cawing)

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We did some planting
and care-taking.

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It was really park-like, and
many cemeteries are like parks,

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with shrubs, and trees,
and where I worked,

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there was a lot of
attention put to

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how the grounds were presented.

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(ethereal guitar music)

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(methodical guitar music)

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(paper ripping)

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Glue it and put it,

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so now I'm just
gonna straighten it.

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(methodical acoustic
guitar music)

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At 17, I decided to leave
the country and go to Europe,

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and I told everyone that I
knew, including my parents,

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that I wouldn't be
contacting anybody.

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It turned out to be
a couple of years.

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I needed to see what
it was that I am.

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I was feeling that
so much of who I am

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is reflected in everyone I know,

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and I wanted to feel
what it was like

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to be free of that, free of
what people expected of me.

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Being in Europe,
one of the things

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that impressed me
most was in Spain,

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seeing the anarchist symbol
graffitied on walls everywhere,

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and I really loved seeing that,

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because it felt like

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there were like-minded
people all around me.

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I went to Spain to do
an action at Gibraltar,

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to protest, in a group,

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fighting against the
border being closed

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on the Spanish side,

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and the border was closed
because Spain wanted

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to force Britain to yield
the island to Spain,

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and we went to the beach,

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and swam about a
mile to the island,

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and were chased by the Spanish
police in motorized boats,

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so we arrived on the island,

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and were arrested by the British
police for illegal entry,

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and the next day, we
got to the high fence

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at the Spanish border,
and we climbed over it,

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and entered Spain, and for that,

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we were deported to
Perpignan, France,

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in an overnight truck with
semi-automatics pointed at us.

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(water splashing)

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I think if I were able
to choose a personality,

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I would love to be someone who
was oriented toward people,

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but I'm not, and
that colors my life

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as an artist, and
just as a human being.

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It is one aspect of my life

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that has posed the
greatest challenge.

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(quirky music)

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(waves crashing)

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(mellow guitar music)

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I hadn't heard of the
cliffs at Ironbound.

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I first saw them
from Winter Harbor,

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and was just mesmerized, and
seeing them from a distance,

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I was really intrigued.

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Even though I enjoyed
seeing the cliffs up close,

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I didn't need that
to depict them,

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because I could imagine
how they looked.

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(man singing in
foreign language)

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- [James] I just did
different configurations,

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basically just putting
shapes together.

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(man singing in
foreign language)

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- There's too much
happening in the sky.

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It's competing with
everything else,

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especially the rocks, and the
sky should be more serene,

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or the rocks should be plain,

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and not many different
colors and patterns.

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You know, it's a peaceful scene,

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and it should convey
that, and the colors

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are doing just the opposite.

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Yeah, I think this
piece is gonna change.

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(mellow guitar music)

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Great Wass Island is wild,
and nothing is tended,

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or cared for, and
it's interesting to me

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that in the garden,
I'm just the opposite,

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where I'm pulling out all the
dead things that I can find,

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and I'm pulling out
growth that I don't want,

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and I'm really controlling
the environment

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in a significant way,
but a garden is about

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bringing order into nature.

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I'm reading a book by
Vita Sackville-West,

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who was an avid gardener in
the late 1800s, early 1900s,

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and she says, "To be a gardener,
you need to be ruthless."

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And so I keep that in mind

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as I'm pulling out
the Black Eyed Susan.

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I really love the
flower, but overall,

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it just is, well it's
causing disorder.

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The garden looks disorderly,

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and so I'm replacing
them with Echinacea,

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and some other plants
that look good all summer,

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and don't die quickly.

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(water hissing)

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I like to go hiking
a lot in this area,

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and one of the things that I do

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is pay attention to the
plant life on these hikes,

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and I let that influence
the choices I make

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in what I introduce
into the garden.

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I grow a lot of Thyme: Creeping
Thyme, Wooly Thyme both,

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and the Thyme makes me
think of carpets of lichen

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that I see in the
forest or in the woods.

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(mellow guitar music)

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(peaceful guitar music)

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For many years, I've been
coming to Sorrento, Maine,

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for the summer, and
the rest of the year

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I'm in the San
Francisco Bay area,

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with my partner, John.

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We've been together 35 years.

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John and I were so excited

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when we found out that Sorrento

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was the smallest town in Maine

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that passed an
anti-bias ordinance on
behalf of gay people.

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I've noticed that if John
weren't part of my life,

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being here alone feels
so much different

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than how it feels,

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so his presence is here
even though I'm alone.

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I explore the Maine
Coast, which I love,

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and especially the area
around here, around Acadia,

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and further down east.

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(peaceful guitar music)

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Yeah, inspiration,
I get inspiration

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from the landscape around me,

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and that continues.

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I'm drawn to doing
abstract work,

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but I keep going back
to doing the landscape,

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and I guess it's a
source of inspiration

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that doesn't dry up.

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There's always a different
way to interpret what you see.

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(peaceful guitar music)

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Oh, okay, so I'm not
sure how to state that.

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- [Rick] What I need
you stating in some way

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is the name of the piece.

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Cape Little whatever
it's called.

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(mellow guitar music)

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- I'm gonna say Great
Wass Island, you know,

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because that I know.

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(mellow guitar music)

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- [Rick] If the
name of the piece

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ends up being "Cape Point"--
- It won't be that.

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- [Rick] You said it might be--

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- [James] Right, Promontory,
One Wass Island Point,

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Great Wass Island--
- You won't say little?

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- [James] No, I'm not
gonna call it that.

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- [Rick] Little,
what the hell is it?

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- [James] Little Cape Point.

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- [Rick] Little
Cape Point, yeah.

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- [James] I mean, it
works okay for a piece,

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because no one's, they'll
look at it and say,

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"Well, this is cute."

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And then they won't
remember it, and it's fine,

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but for you, you need something

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that people will remember.

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- [Rick] No, but it could be

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a simpler version of it,
like Making Cape Point.

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And that's its actual name.

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- [James] Yeah, but
Cape Point, it's weird,

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and I find it an odd name.

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- Why?
- To me, cape and point

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seem either synonymous,
or close to it.

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- [Rick] It's still
a beautiful point.

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- [James] It's a
beautiful point,

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and I'm not hung up on the name.

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I don't think of the name.

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- [Rick] Then why not just
call it Little Cape Point,

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and then we can also
call the film that?

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(mellow guitar music)

54:58.966 --> 55:02.100 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5%
(sandpaper gritting)

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(introspective guitar music)

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- [James] The four Great
Wass images that I did

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are each a different location
on Great Wass Island.

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Great Wass Island One,

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or I guess it's
called Great Wass One,

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the dominant color
of that one is blue,

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and I typically avoid blue.

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In Great Wass Two, the
bright green of the grass

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is central, and gives a contrast

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with the lighter scheme
of the rest of the piece.

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For Great Wass Three, the bright
golden yellow-orange color

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of the seaweed give
it some nice contrast.

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Also, with this one, I have
the high tide mark of the rock.

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I would say the dominant feature

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of the Great Wass
Four is the sky.

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It's a very detailed and
moody vision of the sky.

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It's different from the
other three Great Wasses

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in that there's more
nuance in the depiction.

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(mellow guitar music)

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(gentle guitar music)

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When I work, the image
makes certain demands

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that guide the outcome of
the piece I'm working on.

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In art, like in life,

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you don't always know how
things are gonna turn out.

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(water splashing)

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(gentle guitar music)

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At 17, I wanted to
feel what it was like

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to be free of what
people expected of me,

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and I'm not sure what
I discovered in that.

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(uplifting guitar music)