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>>> SUPPORT FOR THIS PROGRAM IS

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PROVIDED BY THE FOUNDATION FOR 

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EXCELLENCE IN LOUISIANA PUBLIC 

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BROADCASTING. 

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>>> HELLO AND WELCOME TO 

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"LOUISIANA PUBLIC SQUARE." 

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I'M BETH COURTNEY, PRESIDENT OF

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LOUISIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING. 

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TONIGHT'S TOPIC IS CHARTER 

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CHECKUP.

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>> HELLO EVERYONE. 

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I'M SHAUNA SANFORD. 

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WHEN THE NEW SCHOOL YEAR BEGAN 

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LAST MONTH, NEARLY 10% OF 

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LOUISIANA'S 600,000 PUBLIC 

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SCHOOL STUDENTS BOARDED BUSES 

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BOUND TO CHARTER SCHOOLS. 

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PRIOR TO HURRICANE KATRINA, 

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CHARTER SCHOOLS WERE SOMETHING 

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OF A RARITY. 

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THEIR NUMBERS HAVE INCREASED 

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170% SINCE THE STORM. 

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WHILE THE MAJORITY ARE IN 

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ORLEANS PARISH, CHARTER SCHOOLS

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ALSO OPERATE IN 19 OTHER 

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PARISHES, INCLUDING CADDO, 

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MOREHOUSE, AVOYELLES, 

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CALCASIEU, ST. MARY, AND EAST 

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BATON ROUGE.

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>> WHAT IS THE DRIVING THE 

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GROWTH OF PUBLIC CHARTER 

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SCHOOLS IN THE STATE?

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ARE THEY DELIVERING PROMISED 

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EDUCATIONAL DIVIDENDS OR 

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PUTTING TAXPAYER DOLLARS AT 

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RISK. 

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WHEN MEASURING SUCCESS, DO 

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CHARTER SCHOOLS COMPETE WITH 

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TRADITIONAL PUBLIC SCHOOLS ON A

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LEVEL PLAYING FIELD. 

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PUBLIC SQUARE LOOKS FOR 

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ANSWERS. 

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BY ALL ACCOUNTS, ALEXIANNA WAS 

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RECEIVING A GOOD EDUCATION AT 

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HER FORMER SCHOOL. 

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ALL A'S AND ONE B ON HER REPORT

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CARD. 

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BUT HER AUNT RECEIVED A REALITY

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CHECK OF BECOMING HER LEGAL 

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GUARDIAN AND TRANSFERRING HER 

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TO THE J.K. HAYNES CHARTER 

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SCHOOL IN BATON ROUGE.

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>> WHEN SCHOOL START, I GET A 

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LETTER HOME SAYING THAT SHE 

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DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO READ OR ADD,

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AND I'M LIKE, NO, THAT'S NOT 

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SO. 

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SHE CAN READ AND ADD. 

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I KNOW SHE CAN DO ALL OF THIS 

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RIGHT HERE.

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>> AFTER SITTING DOWN WITH 

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ALEXIANNA, HER AUNT, DALE 

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MOORE, REALIZED THAT THIS CHILD

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WASN'T ABLE TO READ A SIMPLE 

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SENTENCE OR DO A BASIC MATH 

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PROBLEM.

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>> I WASN'T ASHAMED FOR HER, I 

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WAS ASHAMED BECAUSE THE SCHOOL 

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LET HER DOWN.

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>> THROUGH CLASSROOM 

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INSTRUCTION, AFTER-SCHOOL 

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TUTORING, ALEXIANNA IS NOW IN 

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THE FOURTH GRADE AND PERFORMING

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AT GRADE LEVEL. 

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ALEXIANNA IS ONE OF THE OVER 

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58,000 STUDENTS IN LOUISIANA 

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ATTENDING THE CHARTER SCHOOL. 

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OF THE STATE'S 1,303 PUBLIC 

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SCHOOLS, 110 ARE CHARTERS.

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>> PART OF WHAT IT MEANS TO BE 

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A CHARTER SCHOOL, AUTONOMY, YOU

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HEAR THAT RECORD A LOT. 

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AUTONOMY MEANS AROUND THINGS 

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YOUR BUDGETING, HIRING, FIRING,

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STUDYING YOUR CURRICULUM. 

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IT IS ABOUT PUTTING, EMPOWERING

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SCHOOL LEADERS, PRINCIPALS, 

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TEACHERS, PARENTS TO MAKE 

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DECISIONS AS CLOSE TO THE 

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STUDENT AS POSSIBLE.

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>> CAROLINE IS THE EXECUTIVE 

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DIRECTOR OF THE LOUISIANA 

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ASSOCIATION OF PUBLIC CHARTER 

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SCHOOLS. 

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ROEMER NOTES WHILE CHARTER 

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SCHOOLS ARE NOT SUBJECT TO SOME

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OF THE RULES AND REGULATIONS 

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THAT APPLY TO TRADITIONAL 

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PUBLIC SCHOOL COUNTERPARTS, 

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THEY ARE HELD TO MORE RIGOROUS 

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ACCOUNTABILITY STANDARDS.

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>> HELD ACCOUNTABLE IN 

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ACADEMICS, FINANCE, AND 

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GOVERNANCE. 

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THOSE ACCOUNTABILITY MEASURES 

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ARE PUT IN PLACE TO ENSURE THAT

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WASTE, THEFT, THAT WE ARE BEING

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GOOD STEWARDS OF TAXPAYER 

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DOLLARS AND WHEN WE'RE NOT AND 

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THERE WILL BE CASES WHERE THERE

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ARE CHARTER SCHOOLS, JUST LIKE 

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THERE HAVE BEEN SCHOOL 

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DISTRICTS, THAT ARE NOT GOOD AT

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THAT PART OF IT, WE WILL NOT 

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ALLOW THEM TO CONTINUE TO 

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OPERATE.

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>> SINCE 2000, 21 CHARTER 

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SCHOOLS HAVE CLOSED IN THE 

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STATE.

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>> WE ARE TOO QUICK TO SAY THAT

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PUBLIC SCHOOLS ARE FAILING. 

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AND THEN TRYING THESE 

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EXPERIMENTS ON OUR CHILDREN.

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>> DEBBIE IS THE PRESIDENT OF 

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THE LOUISIANA ASSOCIATION OF 

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EDUCATORS. 

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SHE SAID THAT THE LAE HAS MANY 

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CONCERNS WITH CHARTER SCHOOLS, 

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FROM INEXPERIENCED TEACH FOR 

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AMERICA INSTRUCTORS IN THE 

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CLASSROOM TO SELECTED STUDENT 

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ENROLLMENT.

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>> CHARTER SCHOOLS TEND TO 

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ADVERTISE THEMSELVES AS PUBLIC 

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SCHOOLS AND THEREFORE, THEY 

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TAKE ALL CHILDREN. 

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BUT THERE ARE SOME CHARTER 

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SCHOOLS THAT ARE SELECTIVE. 

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SOME SCHOOLS HAVE CRITERIA ON 

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THE FRONT END IN ORDER TO GET 

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INTO THEM, THEY FRONT LOAD 

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THEIR CRITERIA, AND IF YOU 

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DON'T FIT THE CRITERIA, THEN 

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YOU CANNOT BE A PART OF THE 

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SCHOOL. 

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OTHER CHARTER SCHOOLS WILL DO A

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MORE OPEN PROCESS, BUT 

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SOMETIMES THE SAME CHARTER 

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SCHOOLS WILL BACKLOAD THEIR 

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CRITERIA. 

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SO, A CHILD THAT IS TAKEN IN TO

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THE CHARTER SCHOOL SYSTEM MAY 

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HAVE TO HAVE CERTAIN CRITERIA 

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MET BY THE PARENTS. 

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THE KIDS THEMSELVES MAY HAVE TO

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MAINTAIN CERTAIN GRADE POINT 

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AVERAGES.

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>> MEAUX AND OTHER CRITICS SAY 

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THE SELECTIVE ADMISSIONS 

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PROCESS TENDS TO SKEW 

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PERFORMANCE DATA, LIKE THOSE 

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RELEASED STANFORD UNIVERSITY 

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CENTER FOR EDUCATION OUTCOMES, 

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OR CREDO. 

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THE AUGUST REPORT WHICH TRACKED

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LOUISIANA CHARTERS FROM 2005 TO

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2011, FOUND 41% OF CHARTER 

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STUDENTS SHOWED LARGER GAINS IN

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READING AND 42% LARGER GAINS IN

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MATH COMPARED TO TRADITIONAL 

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PUBLIC SCHOOL PEERS.

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>> PUBLIC SCHOOL DISTRICTS -- 

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THOSE ARE THE SCHOOLS KIDS GO 

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TO IF THEY CAN'T GET INTO A 

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CHARTER SCHOOL. 

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IF YOU ARE REALLY TAKING THE 

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LOWER PERFORMING KIDS WHO CAN'T

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GET INTO OTHER SCHOOLS, AND IT 

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ONLY STANDS TO REASON THAT THE 

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CHARTER SCHOOLS ARE GOING TO 

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OUTPERFORM THE TRADITIONAL 

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SCHOOLS.

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>> KARRAN ROYAL IS A COMMUNITY 

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ACTIVIST AND PARENT OF A 

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STUDENT IN THE NEW ORLEANS 

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PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM. 

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SHE IS CRITICAL OF CHARTER 

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PERFORMANCE AND CITES A REPORT 

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ON RESEARCH FOR REFORMS, 

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INDICATES THAT 78% OF THE 

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CHARTER SCHOOLS FALLING UNDER 

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THE RECOVERY SCHOOL DISTRICT IN

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NEW ORLEANS ARE RATED D OR F.

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>> CHARTER SCHOOLS IN AND OF 

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THEMSELVES ARE NOT THE ANSWER 

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TO WHY SOME URBAN SCHOOL 

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DISTRICTS ARE NOT SERVING SOME 

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CHILDREN WELL. 

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WE REALLY NEED TO CONTINUE TO 

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SEARCH FOR THE REAL REFORM. 

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IF CHARTER SCHOOLS WERE THE 

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ANSWER, I THINK SEVEN YEARS IN 

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NEW ORLEANS SHOULD SHOW YOU 

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SOME BETTER RESULTS THAN WHAT 

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WE'RE SEEING.

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>> AFTER KATRINA, THE RECOVERY 

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SCHOOL DISTRICT STARTED TAKING 

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ON LARGE NUMBER OF -- 

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ORIGINALLY THREE QUARTERS OF 

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THE SCHOOLS WERE F'S AND NOW A 

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TINY NUMBER ARE F'S. 

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THAT'S GREAT PROGRESS.

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>> JOHN WHITE SAYS THE NEW 

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ORLEANS SCHOOLS WERE AT A LOW 

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LEVEL WHEN THE STATE TOOK THEM 

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OVER. 

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HE EXPECTS EVEN MORE PROGRESS 

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THIS SCHOOL YEAR.

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>> I DON'T THINK THAT THIS YEAR

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IN THE RECOVERY SCHOOL DISTRICT

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THAT THE SCHOOLS WILL HAVE D 

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AND F GRADES. 

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SOME OF THEM WILL, AS IN MANY 

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DISTRICTS, BUT A LOT WILL BE 

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B'S AND C'S.

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>> STANFORD STUDY INDICATES 

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THAT CHARTER SCHOOLS ENROLL TWO

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PERCENT FEWER SPECIAL ED 

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STUDENTS THAN TRADITIONAL 

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PUBLIC SCHOOLS -- 

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>> CREDO REPORT ACTUALLY 

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HIGHLIGHTS THE FACT THAT 

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LOUISIANA CHARTER SCHOOLS ARE 

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DOG A -- ARE DOING AN 

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ESPECIALLY INCREDIBLE JOB 

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SERVING STUDENTS WITH SPECIAL 

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NEEDS.

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>> ROEMER ADMITS -- 

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>> CHARTER SCHOOLS ARE PUBLIC 

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SCHOOLS AND WHEN A FAMILY 

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CHOOSES A CHARTER SCHOOL, AND, 

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AGAIN, REMEMBER, THESE ARE 

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SCHOOLS OF CHOICE. 

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IT ONLY MAKES SENSE FOR THOSE 

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DOLLARS TO FOLLOW THOSE 

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FAMILIES.

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>> WHETHER YOU ARE A CHARTER 

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SCHOOL OR TRADITIONAL PUBLIC 

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SCHOOL ADVOCATE, ROEMER SAYS 

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THE DISCUSSION ABOUT EDUCATION 

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SOLUTIONS SHOULD FOCUS ON 

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OUTCOMES.

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>> WE'RE CONSTANTLY YOU KNOW 

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BATTLING EACH OTHER. 

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I THINK IT IS TIME TO QUIT 

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BEING SO CONTENTIOUS AND FOR 

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INSTEAD US TO BE MORE 

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COLLABORATIVE AS TEACHERS, AS 

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EDUCATORS, ADMINISTRATORS, AS 

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PARENTS AND STUDENTS, TO LOOK 

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AT SCHOOLS THAT ARE GETTING IT 

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DONE. 

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WHATEVER KIND OF SCHOOL THAT IS

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AND BE ABLE TO SHARE THOSE 

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INNOVATIONS.

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>> JOINING US FOR WHAT WE HOPE 

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WILL BE A COLLABORATIVE 

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DISCUSSION ABOUT CHARTER 

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SCHOOLS, RESIDENTS FROM THE 

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GREATER BATON ROUGE AREA. 

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ALSO JOINED BY REPRESENTATIVES 

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OF BOTH THE TRADITIONAL PUBLIC 

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AND CHARTER SCHOOLS AS WELL AS 

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TWO STUDENTS FROM THE 

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LEGISLATIVE YOUTH ADVISORY 

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COUNCIL. 

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WELCOME ALL OF YOU TO THE 

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PROGRAM. 

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IT IS SO GREAT TO HAVE YOU 

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HERE. 

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WE'RE ANXIOUS TO GET TO YOUR 

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THOUGHTS ABOUT CHARTER SCHOOLS 

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AND WE WILL DO THAT IN A 

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MOMENT. 

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BUT FIRST, LSU'S PUBLIC POLICY 

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RESEARCH LAB SURVEYED OVER 100 

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CITIZENS AROUND THE STATE ON 

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TONIGHT'S TOPIC. 

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AMONG THE SURVEY RESPONSES, 

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WHEN ASKED THEIR OPINION ABOUT 

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ALLOWING PUBLIC CHARTER SCHOOLS

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TO OPERATE INDEPENDENTLY AND 

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FREE OF MANY OF THE REGULATIONS

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IMPOSED ON TRADITIONAL PUBLIC 

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SCHOOLS, 56% OF THE RESPONDENTS

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FAVORED THE IDEA. 

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24% OPPOSED THE IDEA OF CHARTER

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SCHOOLS, AND 22% WERE UNSURE. 

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WHEN INFORMED THAT MOST 

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CHARTERS IN THE STATE ARE UNDER

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THE JURISDICTION OF THE 

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DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION, VERSUS

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A LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICT, LIKE 

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THEIR TRADITIONAL PUBLIC SCHOOL

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COUNTERPARTS, 60% OF THOSE 

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SURVEYED FAVORED HAVING LOCAL 

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CONTROL OF CHARTER SCHOOLS. 

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33% ACTUALLY SUPPORTED THE IDEA

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OF HAVING THE STATE CONTROL 

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CHARTER SCHOOLS. 

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AND 7% WERE UNSURE. 

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IT'S A CONSISTENTLY -- IF A 

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CONSISTENTLY POOR PERFORMING 

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SCHOOL -- 60% RECOMMEND KEEPING

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THE SCHOOL OPEN AND PROVIDING 

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OUTSIDE SUPPORT. 

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EQUAL PERCENTAGE OF THOSE 

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SURVEYED, 16%, WOULD REOPEN THE

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SCHOOL AS A CHARTER SCHOOL OR 

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REOPEN THE SCHOOL WITH A NEW 

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PRINCIPAL. 

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8% OF RESPONDENTS WOULD CLOSE 

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THE SCHOOL AND SEND THE 

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STUDENTS TO BETTER NEARBY 

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SCHOOLS. 

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14% WERE EITHER UNSURE OR 

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REFUSED TO ANSWER. 

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AND LASTLY, WHEN ASKED ABOUT 

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THE QUALITY OF EDUCATION THAT 

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STUDENTS RECEIVE AT A PUBLIC 

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CHARTER SCHOOL COMPARED TO A 

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TRADITIONAL PUBLIC SCHOOL, 45% 

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SAID THEY BELIEVE THAT IT 

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DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE. 

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44% BELIEVE CHARTER STUDENTS 

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WOULD RECEIVE A BETTER 

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EDUCATION, 5% BELIEVE STUDENTS 

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WOULD RECEIVE A WORSE EDUCATION

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AT A CHARTER SCHOOL. 

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WE ARE GOING TO START THERE 

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WITH OUR STUDIO AUDIENCE BASED 

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ON YOUR OPINION, PERSONAL 

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EXPERIENCE S, DO YOU THINK THAT

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PUBLIC SCHOOLS OR THAT CHARTER 

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SCHOOLS OFFER A BETTER 

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EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITY THAN 

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THE TRADITIONAL PUBLIC SCHOOLS?

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LET'S START WITH YOU, DIANA. 

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YOU OPERATE A CHARTER SCHOOL. 

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J.K. HAYNES CHARTER SCHOOL IN 

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EAST BATON ROUGE. 

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THE STUDENT WHO WE SAW IN OUR 

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PIECE ATTENDS YOUR SCHOOL. 

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HER MOTHER MADE VERY 

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INTERESTING COMMENTS. 

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I'M SURE YOU HEARD MANY TIMES 

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BEFORE FROM OTHER PARENTS. 

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BUT HELP US UNDERSTAND WHERE 

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YOU ARE ON THIS ISSUE.

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>> J.K. HAYNES HAS BEEN A 

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CHARTER SCHOOL SINCE 1997. 

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WHEN WE STARTED OUR CHARTER 

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SCHOOL, WE WERE TYPE ONE, THE 

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EDR SCHOOL SYSTEM. 

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WE WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE

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SCHOOL SYSTEM. 

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WE ARE A SCHOOL OF CHOICE. 

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WE ARE NOT TRYING TO COMPETE 

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WITH THE REGULAR PUBLIC SCHOOL.

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WE WORK TOGETHER. 

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AND WE HAVE DONE THIS FOR THE 

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PAST 15 TO 16 YEARS. 

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WE DO A LOT OF NURTURING AT 

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J.K. HAYNES CHARTER. 

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OUR STUDENTS ARE JUST 

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WONDERFUL. 

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WE HAVE A WONDERFUL PARENTAL 

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SUPPORT. 

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WE HAVE DONE A LOT WITH OUR 

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STUDENTS AT THE J.K. HAYNES 

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CHARTER.

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>> SCOTT, I'D LIKE TO GET YOUR 

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OPINION ON THIS. 

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WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT 

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CHARTER SCHOOLS AND WHAT ROLE 

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THEY SHOULD PLAY, IF ANY?

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>> SHAUNA, I THINK THE ONLY 

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OBJECTIVE WAY TO ANSWER THAT 

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TYPE OF QUESTION IS TO LOOK AT 

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THE DATA THAT EXISTS. 

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AND WHETHER WE AGREE WITH THE 

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ACCOUNTABILITY SYSTEM THAT THE 

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STATE HAS IN PLACE OR DISAGREE 

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WITH IT, IT IS WHAT JUDGES, 

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CHARTER SCHOOLS AND PUBLIC 

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SCHOOLS AND STUDENT ACHIEVEMENT

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IN LOUISIANA. 

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AND THE VAST MAJORITY OF 

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STUDENTS IN LOUISIANA ATTEND 

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SCHOOLS, TRADITIONAL PUBLIC 

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SCHOOLS RUN BY LOCAL SCHOOL 

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BOARDS, AND THE VAST MAJORITY 

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OF OUR SCHOOLS IN LOUISIANA ARE

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A, B, OR C SCHOOL DISTRICTS. 

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WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RECOVERY 

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SCHOOL DISTRICT NEW ORLEANS, 

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AND RECOVERY SCHOOL DISTRICT 

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LOUISIANA, AND YOU LOOK AT 

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THEIR LETTER GRADES -- RECOVERY

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SCHOOL DISTRICT LOUISIANA 

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CURRENT LETTER GRADE OF F. 

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RECOVERY SCHOOL DISTRICT OF NEW

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ORLEANS HAS A LETTER GRADE OF 

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D. 

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WHETHER WE AGREE OR DISAGREE ON

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THE ISSUES, THAT IS THE WAY 

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WE'RE JUDGED AS SCHOOL SYSTEMS 

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BY THE CURRENT STATE 

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ACCOUNTABILITY SYSTEM.

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>> IS IT BELINDA?

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YOUR FEELINGS.

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>> WHEN WE THINK ABOUT CHARTER 

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SCHOOLS, IT IS IMPORTANT TO 

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THINK ABOUT THE TYPE OF CHARTER

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SCHOOL THAT YOU ARE TALKING 

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ABOUT. 

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SO, FOR ME, WHEN I EXAMINE THE 

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BATON ROUGE AREA ACHIEVEMENT 

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ZONE AND LOOK AT THE CHARTER 

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SCHOOLS, I THINK THERE ARE 

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SEVEN SCHOOLS IN THE BATON 

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ROUGE ACHIEVEMENT ZONE, I THINK

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THAT THEY ARE STRUGGLING. 

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WHAT WE HAVE SEEN, THEIR TEST 

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SCORES SLIDE AFTER THEY'RE 

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TAKEN OVER BY THE RECOVERY 

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SCHOOL DISTRICT AND MOST OF THE

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SCHOOLS HAVE NOT RECOVERED YET.

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THESE HAVE SCHOOLS THAT ARE  --

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I HAVE EXPERIENCED A LOT OF 

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CONVERSATION WITH PARENTS IN 

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CHARTER SCHOOLS WHERE THEY'RE 

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FRUSTRATED ABOUT HOW LONG IT IS

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TAKING FOR CHARTERS TO BE 

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REPLACED. 

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THEY HEAR OVER AND OVER AGAIN 

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WHAT IS A QUALITY CHARTER. 

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SOME CASES -- RECOVERY SCHOOL 

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DISTRICT, DIRECT ONES WITHOUT A

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CHARTER FOR THREE YEARS NOW. 

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AND PARENTS ARE FRUSTRATED BY 

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THE TURNOVER AMONG THEIR 

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ADMINISTRATION AND NOT KNOWING 

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EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH 

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THEIR CHILDREN.

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>> YOU HAVE HAD SOME EXPERIENCE

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IN DEALING WITH CHARTERS. 

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TALK A LITTLE ABOUT YOUR 

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EXPERIENCE.

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>> WE OPERATE AT CAPITOL HIGH 

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SCHOOL FOR THREE YEARS. 

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ONE THING THAT WE LEARNED IS 

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THE CONCEPT OF SCHOOL 

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PERFORMANCE SCORES IS THE 

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PROBLEM. 

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YOU HAVE TO MEASURE STUDENTS. 

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WHEN CAPITAL WAS PUT IN THE 

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RECOVERY SCHOOL DISTRICT AND 

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MOST OF THE STUDENTS FLED TO 

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THE EDR SYSTEM, WE WERE LEFT 

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WITH A DIFFERENT STUDENT BODY 

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THAN WHAT ORIGINALLY EXISTED AT

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CAPITOL. 

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WE HAD TO COME UP WITH A WAY TO

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EDUCATE THE STUDENT BODY. 

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WE THOUGHT IT WAS A FAILED 

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MODEL. 

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AND WE RETURNED CAPITOL TO 

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THE -- AFTER THE THIRD YEAR, WE

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WERE DOING ACCEPTABLE TO BESSY 

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BUT NOT ACCEPTABLE TO US. 

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BECAUSE WE THOUGHT THE MODEL 

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WAS A FAILED MODEL.

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>> THE FRUSTRATION THAT PARENTS

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HAVE. 

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YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE PARENTS 

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ARE COMING FROM.

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>> YES. 

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THE QUESTION IS CHARTER SCHOOLS

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FOR US WAS NOT CAN A NEW 

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CHARTER SCHOOL OPEN FREE OF 

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CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS AND 

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SUCCEED?

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IT IS CAN A CHARTER OPERATOR 

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TAKE OVER A RECOVERY SCHOOL 

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DISTRICT SCHOOL, A FAILING 

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SCHOOL, AND THEN TAKE THAT 

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STUDENT BODY AND TURN THAT 

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STUDENT BODY AROUND?

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THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE HAVE TO 

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MEASURE. 

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YOU CAN'T MEASURE THE SCHOOL. 

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YOU HAVE TO MEASURE THE 

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IMPROVEMENT WITH INDIVIDUAL 

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STUDENTS. 

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AND I THINK THAT WOULD MAKE THE

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PLAYING FIELD E  EQUAL.

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>> WE HEARD IT IN THE PACKAGE 

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THAT THE CHARTER SCHOOL CAN BE 

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SELECTIVE. 

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TALKING ABOUT EDUCATING ALL 

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KIDS. 

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PUBLIC SCHOOLS DON'T HAVE THE 

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ABILITY TO TURN AWAY KIDS. 

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THEY HAVE TO EDUCATE THE KIDS 

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WHO ACTUALLY COME TO THEM. 

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YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT.

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>> I THINK IT IS AN UNTRUE 

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CONCEPT SAYING THAT CHARTER 

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SCHOOLS ARE SELECTIVE. 

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I AM HEAD OF A SCHOOL OF AN 

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OPEN ENROLL CHARTER SCHOOLS IN 

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NEW ORLEANS AND WE ARE 

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PERFORMING IN ORLEANS PARISH 

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SCHOOLING SYSTEM. 

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WE HAVE PERFORMING CHARTER 

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SCHOOLS -- I THINK THAT WE HAVE

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TO LOOK AT THE CHARTER SCHOOLS 

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FROM THE CONCEPT THAT WE ARE 

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MAKING GAINS. 

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WE ARE HAVING SUCCESSFUL 

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CHARTER SCHOOLS THAT ARE 

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IMPACTING OUR YOUTH IN NEW 

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ORLEANS AND MAKING A 

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DIFFERENCE. 

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ORLEANS PARISH, ACROSS THE 

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BOARD, OUR CHARTER SCHOOL 

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SYSTEM IS OUTPACING THE PUBLIC 

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SCHOOL SYSTEM AND -- WITH ALL 

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STUDENTS, NOT SELECTIVE 

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STUDENTS.

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>> YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE NOT 

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SELECTIVE.

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>> NOT SELECTIVE.

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>> ARE YOU SAYING ALL CHARTER 

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SCHOOLS?

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>> ALL OF US HAVE A POLICY WHEN

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IT COMES TO ENROLLMENT. 

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EVERY CHILD IN NEW ORLEANS HAS 

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THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME TO THE 

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CHARTER SCHOOLS ACROSS THE 

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BOARD CITY WIDE. 

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LET'S GET YOUR COMMENT.

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>> I PERSONALLY GO TO A CHARTER

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SCHOOL. 

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AND I MEAN, WE'RE SUCCEEDING. 

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I KNOW THAT FROM PERSONAL 

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EXPERIENCE. 

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I'VE GONE THERE SINCE 

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KINDERGARTEN. 

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BUT LIKE WITH THE WHOLE -- WE 

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OPERATE UNDER A LOTTERY SYSTEM.

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I MEAN EVERYBODY IS WELCOME TO 

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APPLY FOR OUR LOTTERY SYSTEM, 

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BUT CERTAIN ARE CHOSEN, BUT I 

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MEAN, THERE IS NO REQUIREMENTS 

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FOR IT. 

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BUT I THINK WHAT THE COMMON 

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MISCONCEPTION IS THAT WE GET 

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STUDENTS THAT ALREADY HAVE BEEN

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MOLDED, BUT WHAT WE ACTUALLY DO

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IS WE TAKE IN STUDENTS AND MOLD

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THEM INTO THE STUDENTS THAT 

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THEY NEED TO BE. 

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AND, I MEAN, IT WORKS BETTER 

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JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE ONE 

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DIRECTOR, ONE SCHOOL BOARD 

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LOOKING AFTER ONE SCHOOL, AND 

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THAT ONE SCHOOL FOCUSES ON THE 

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ONE STUDENT AND IT CREATES A 

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BETTER ENVIRONMENT FOR 

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EVERYBODY.

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>> WHAT GRADE ARE YOU IN?

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>> A SENIOR.

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>> GREAT TO HEAR FROM YOU. 

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APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. 

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TREY, YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT 

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CHARTER VERSUS TRADITIONAL.

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>> WELL, THE QUALITY OF 

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EDUCATION IN LOUISIANA, RANKS, 

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48, 49, 50. 

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IT IS NOT ONE OF OUR STRONG 

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POINTS. 

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AND, SO, I AM IN FAVOR OF 

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ANYTHING THAT GIVES THE 

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STUDENTS IN LOUISIANA A BETTER 

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CHANCE AT SUCCEEDING, NOT ONLY 

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ACADEMICALLY, BUT BEYOND 

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SCHOOL, IN LIFE, AND, YOU KNOW,

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FINDING A GOOD JOB AND 

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PROVIDING A LIFE FOR THE FAMILY

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THAT THEY HOPE TO HAVE ONE DAY.

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SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE BEST 

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POINT THAT I HEARD IN THE VIDEO

18:23.300 --> 18:25.700
THAT STARTED THE SHOW IS, YOU 

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KNOW, WE REALLY NEED TO WORK 

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TOGETHER AND FIND THINGS THAT 

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ARE WORKING WELL WITH THE 

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CHARTER SCHOOLS AND FIGURE OUT 

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HOW WE CAN INCORPORATE THAT 

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INTO PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND PRIVATE

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SCHOOLS AND BE COLLABORATIVE.

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>> I'M GLAD THAT YOU MENTIONED 

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THAT. 

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I THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT POINT 

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THAT SHE MADE AT THE END THAT 

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IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYBODY IS 

18:44.233 --> 18:45.933
ALWAYS FIGHTING EACH OTHER AND 

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THAT THERE IS NEVER, YOU KNOW, 

18:47.833 --> 18:49.367
COMING TOGETHER AND TRYING TO 

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FIND SOME SORT OF COMMON 

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GROUND. 

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IS THAT REALLY WHAT YOU ALL 

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WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE OF, SORT

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OF A COLLABORATIVE DISCUSSION, 

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MUCH LIKE WE'RE HAVING TONIGHT.

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DOES IT SEEM LIKE THERE IS 

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CONSTANT BATTLING GOING ON BACK

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AND FORTH?

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>> ABSOLUTELY. 

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WE CERTAINLY -- CHARTERS TO 

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HELP ACCESS FUNDS THAT MAYBE WE

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HAD ACCESS TO THAT WE WERE IN 

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THE ABLE TO APPLY FOR. 

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WE WORK WITH THEM TO TRY TO 

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BUILD COLLABORATION AROUND 

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PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT, 

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OPPORTUNITIES, CHANCES FOR US 

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TO WORK TOGETHER. 

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WE ARE ALL SEEKING TO SERVE THE

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SAME STUDENT. 

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RATHER THAN HAVE CONVERSATIONS 

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THAT NEVER SEEM TO END ABOUT 

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WHAT THE STRUCTURE OF THE 

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SCHOOL IS, PARENTS DON'T 

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NECESSARILY FEEL THAT 

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STRUCTURE. 

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THEY SEE A SCHOOL AND WANT TO 

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BE SURE THAT THAT SCHOOL IS 

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SERVING THEIR KIDS. 

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I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE

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NOT LOSE SIGHT OF THAT.

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>> OUR CONVERSATION IS GOING TO

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CONTINUE. 

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THAT'S IT FOR THIS PORTION OF 

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THE SHOW. 

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WHEN WE RETURN, WE WILL BE 

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JOINED BY A PANEL OF EXPERTS TO

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FURTHER EXPLORE CHARTER SCHOOLS

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IN LOUISIANA. 

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STAY TUNED. 

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WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK. 

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>> HELLO EVERYONE. 

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WELCOME BACK TO "LOUISIANA 

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PUBLIC SQUARE." 

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TONIGHT WE'RE DISCUSSING PUBLIC

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CHARTER SCHOOLS IN LOUISIANA. 

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JOINING US IS OUR PANEL OF 

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EXPERTS. 

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VERONICA BROOKS IS THE POLICY 

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DIRECTOR AT THE LOUISIANA 

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ASSOCIATION OF PUBLIC CHARTER 

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>> MICHAEL DESHOTELS, A RETIRED

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EDUCATOR, SERVED AS HEAD OF THE

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LOUISIANA ASSOCIATION OF 

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EDUCATORS.

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>> CHRIS MEYER, FOUNDER OF NEW 

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SCHOOLS FOR BATON ROUGE, 

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NONPROFIT DEDICATED FOR 

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CREATING NEW SCHOOLS FOR THE 

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1,200 STUDENTS THAT CURRENTLY 

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ATTEND A FAILING SCHOOL.

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>> AND DR. BEEBE, MEMBER OF 

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LOUISIANA BOARD OF ELEMENTARY 

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AND SECONDARY EDUCATION AND 

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SUPERINTENDENT OF THE 

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ST. MARTIN PARISH SCHOOL 

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SYSTEM. 

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IT IS SO WONDERFUL TO HAVE YOU 

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ALL HERE. 

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BEFORE WE GET TO THE AUDIENCE, 

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AND I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE BEEN 

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LISTENING IN ON THE 

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CONVERSATION, PLEASE SHARE WITH

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US WHERE YOU ARE ON CHARTERS, 

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VERSUS TRADITIONAL SCHOOLS. 

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AND WE WILL START WITH YOU, 

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VERONICA.

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>> SURE. 

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SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT 

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SAYING CHARTERS VERSUS 

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TRADITIONAL SCHOOLS, A FALSE 

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DICHOTOMY ACTUALLY. 

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I THINK REALLY WHAT WE SHOULD 

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BE TALKING ABOUT IS WHAT IS 

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GOOD FOR KIDS AND HOW WE'RE 

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GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF 

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OUR KIDS ARE PREPARED FOR A 

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COMPETITIVE ECONOMY YOU KNOW, 

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NOT JUST LOUISIANA, NOT 

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NATIONALLY, BUT ON A GLOBAL 

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SCALE. 

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WHETHER THAT IS A CHARTER 

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SCHOOL, OR TRADITIONAL PUBLIC 

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SCHOOL, I PERSONALLY DON'T 

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REALLY CARE AS LONG AS THE WORK

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IS GETTING DONE. 

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AND I THINK THAT WE CAN REALLY 

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USE CHARTER SCHOOLS AS A 

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VEHICLE TO DO THAT. 

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AS IT RELATES TO ONE VERSUS THE

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OTHER, I THINK THAT IS A FALSE 

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DICHOTOMY. 

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WE DON'T NEED TO MAKE A 

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DECISION.

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>> MIKE, WHAT ABOUT YOU, YOUR 

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THOUGHTS.

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>> I AGREE THAT YOU CAN'T 

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CLASSIFY ONE TYPE OF SCHOOL AS 

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GOOD OR BAD BECAUSE OF ITS 

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NAME, BUT I DO HAVE BIG 

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CONCERNS ABOUT CERTAIN TYPES OF

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CHARTER SCHOOLS, PARTICULARLY 

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THE SCHOOLS THAT HAVE BEEN 

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TAKE-OVER SCHOOLS WHERE THE 

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STATE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION 

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HAS TAKEN OVER CERTAIN SCHOOLS 

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FROM LOCAL SCHOOL SYSTEMS, AND 

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HANDED THEM OVER TO CHARTER 

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OPERATIONS. 

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I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF 

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POTENTIAL FOR ABUSE, AND I 

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THINK THAT REALLY SCHOOLS WORK 

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BETTER WHEN THEY'RE RUN BY THE 

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LOCAL SCHOOL SYSTEM, BY THE 

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LOCAL SCHOOL BOARDS. 

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AND I THINK SOME OF THOSE LOCAL

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SCHOOL BOARDS HAVE SET-UPS AND 

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EXCELLENT CHARTER SCHOOLS AND 

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THERE IS NO PROBLEM. 

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WHEN YOU TAKE AWAY A SCHOOL AND

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GIVE IT TO THE STATE AND YOU 

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TAKE IT AWAY FROM THE PEOPLE 

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WHO VOTED FOR THE TAXES FOR 

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THOSE SCHOOLS, THAT'S A BIG 

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MISTAKE. 

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AND IT TAKES AWAY THE PUBLIC 

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INPUT INTO THOSE SCHOOLS.

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>> CHRIS.

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>> YOU KNOW, I THINK LIKE 

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VERONICA WAS SAYING, IT IS MORE

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A QUESTION ABOUT QUALITY AND 

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EXCELLENT, REGARDLESS OF 

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WHETHER IT IS A PRIVATE SCHOOL 

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WHICH HAS A LONG TRADITION 

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HERE. 

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PARTICULARLY IN SOUTH 

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LOUISIANA, A PUBLIC SCHOOL OR 

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PUBLIC CHARTER SCHOOL. 

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THE QUESTIONS WE OUGHT TO BE 

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ASKING, ONE, WHAT ARE THE 

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OUTCOMES AND RESULTS THAT THOSE

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SCHOOLS ARE GETTING?

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WE SEE EXAMPLES ACROSS THE 

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STATE AND COUNTRY, SCHOOLS, 

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REGARDLESS OF KIDS' 

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BACKGROUNDS, EXCELLENT ACADEMIC

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OUTCOMES FOR THE KIDS. 

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CAN THE LEADER OF THOSE 

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SCHOOLS, FOR EXAMPLE, CONTROL 

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ALL OF THE DECISIONS ABOUT WHAT

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HAPPENS IN THAT SCHOOL, TO BEST

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MAKE DECISIONS FOR THE KIDS AND

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DO PARENTS HAVE ACCESS TO 

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CHOOSE A SCHOOL THAT BEST FITS 

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THE NEEDS OF THEIR KIDS?

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FINALLY THIS QUESTION OF 

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ACCOUNTABILITY, FOR SCHOOLS 

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THAT AREN'T PERFORMING WELL, 

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WHAT IS OUR ANSWER REGARDLESS 

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IF IT IS PRIVATE, PUBLIC, OR 

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CHARTER SCHOOL PUBLIC, WHAT IS 

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OUR ANSWER WHEN A SCHOOL IS NOT

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PERFORMING WELL VERSUS ONE THAT

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IS DOING WELL.

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>> DR. BEEBE.

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>> I'M A STRONG PROPONENT OF 

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TRADITIONAL PUBLIC SCHOOLS. 

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I AM A GRADUATE OF A 

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TRADITIONAL PUBLIC SCHOOL AND 

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I'M A SUPERINTENDENT OF A 

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TRADITIONAL PUBLIC SCHOOL 

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SYSTEM AND I PERSONALLY BELIEVE

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THAT WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY 

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TO EDUCATE ALL CHILDREN AND 

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WITH THE MONEY THAT IS SIPHONED

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AWAY FROM TRADITIONAL PUBLIC 

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SYSTEMS -- IN FACT, I DO 

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BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE A 

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RESPONSIBILITY AS EDUCATIONAL 

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LEADERS TO PROVIDE QUALITY 

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EDUCATIONAL EXPERIENCES FOR 

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CHILDREN. 

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YOU KNOW, WE ADVOCATE CHOICE 

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FOR PARENTS, BUT OFTENTIMES THE

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CHOICE IS FROM TRANSFER FROM A 

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FAILING SCHOOL TO ANOTHER 

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FAILING SCHOOL TO ANOTHER 

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FAILING SCHOOL AND THEN WHEN WE

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LOOK AT THE PERFORMANCE THUS 

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FAR IN THE RSD, IT LEAVES 

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CERTAINLY A QUESTION IN MY 

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MIND, WHY DON'T WE ALLOCATE THE

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RESOURCES TO TRADITIONAL 

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SYSTEMS, WORK WITH TRADITIONAL 

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SYSTEMS, AND I KNOW THOSE 

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CRITICS WILL SAY THAT, YOU 

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KNOW, WE HAVE FAILED WITHIN THE

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PUBLIC SYSTEM, TRADITIONAL 

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SYSTEM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, 

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FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS, WE 

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HAVE HAD MONEY TAKEN AWAY -- IN

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FACT, THE 2.75% INCREASE, WE 

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HAVE NOT RECEIVED IT AS 

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TRADITIONAL SCHOOL SYSTEMS. 

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SO, IT MAKES IT QUITE 

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CHALLENGING TO MEET THE NEEDS 

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OF ALL OF OUR STUDENTS, BUT I 

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THINK WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY,

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AS EDUCATIONAL LEADERS WITHIN 

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THE TRADITIONAL SYSTEMS TO MAKE

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THAT HAPPEN.

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>> YOU MENTIONED STUDENTS AND 

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WE ARE FORTUNATE TO HAVE 

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STUDENTS HERE WITH US TONIGHT. 

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WE ARE GOING TO BEGIN WITH 

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THEM. 

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WE WILL START WITH YOU HALEY.

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>> I AM A SENIOR OF -- 

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>> 

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>> THE LEGISLATURE JUST 

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RECENTLY PASSED A NEW LAW THAT 

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EXEMPTED CHARTER SCHOOLS FROM 

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HAVING CERTIFIED TEACHERS. 

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I THINK THAT IS A TERRIBLE 

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MISTAKE, AND IT DIMINISHES THE 

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EDUCATION PROFESSION. 

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THERE IS NO REASON WE SHOULDN'T

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REQUIRE CERTIFIED TEACHERS OF 

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ALL SCHOOLS.

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>> SO, THE OVERWHELMING 

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MAJORITY OF TEACHERS IN CHARTER

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SCHOOLS ARE CERTIFIED. 

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THAT LAW WAS PASSED FOR THE 

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OCCASIONAL EXCEPTION, RIGHT. 

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SO, LET'S SAY YOU HAVE A 

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CHARTER SCHOOL THAT IS TEACHING

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ADVANCED PHYSICS, AND IN SOME 

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AREAS, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO 

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FIND A CERTIFIED PHYSICS 

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TEACHER, BUT THERE MAY BE A 

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LOCAL UNIVERSITY, FOR EXAMPLE, 

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WHERE THERE IS A RETIRED 

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PROFESSOR, OR, YOU KNOW, 

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ADJUNCT PROFESSOR WHO MIGHT 

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WANT TO TEACH IN THAT SCHOOL. 

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AND I THINK IT IS REALLY 

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IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT, YOU

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KNOW, REALLY WHAT WE WANT TO 

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SEE ARE OUTCOMES, NOT JUST 

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INPUTS. 

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SO, YOU KNOW, HAVING 

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CERTIFICATION IS ON THE FRONT 

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END THAT WE WOULD HOPE WOULD 

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SUGGEST THAT THAT IS GOING TO 

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BE A QUALITY TEACHER. 

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BUT THERE IS A LOT OF RESEARCH 

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THAT SAYS IT IS A MIXED BAG. 

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SOMETIMES YOU GET A GREAT 

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CERTIFIED TEACHER, AND 

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SOMETIMES YOU DON'T. 

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AND I THINK THAT, AGAIN, REALLY

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I THINK CHRIS MENTIONED 

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OUTCOMES, AND I THINK IT IS 

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IMPORTANT THAT WE FOCUS ON 

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MAKING SURE THAT ALL OF OUR 

27:13.967 --> 27:15.900
TEACHERS, REGARDLESS OF THEIR 

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CREDENTIALS, ARE REALLY SERVING

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KIDS WELL.

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>> AND IT IS A GREAT QUESTION 

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THAT SHE ASKED. 

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IF YOU'RE BEING HELD TO A 

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HIGHER STANDARD, THEN WHY 

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AREN'T TEACHERS BEING HELD TO A

27:24.967 --> 27:25.800
HIGHER STANDARD?

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THAT IS A FAIR QUESTION. 

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WHEN YOU LOOK A THE CHARTER 

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SCHOOL SYSTEM, A LOT OF 

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TEACHERS COME FROM TEACH FOR 

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AMERICA, THAT WOULD BE AN 

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ACCURATE WAY OF SAYING THAT. 

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THEY'RE NOT REQUIRE FD TO BE 

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CERTIFIED TEACHERS.

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>> TEACH FOR AMERICA TEACHERS 

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ARE CERTIFIED -- 

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>> ALL OF THEM ARE CERTIFIED --

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>> THEY WORK TOWARDS THEIR 

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CERTIFICATION -- 

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>> THEY'RE WORKING TOWARDS 

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THEIR CERTIFICATION WHILE 

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TEACHING BUT -- THEY'RE NOT 

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REQUIRED TO BE CERTIFIED?

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>> THROUGH THIS NEW LAW THEY 

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WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED.

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>> WOULD NOT BE.

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>> BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT

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THEY ARE BEING HELD 

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ACCOUNTABLE. 

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IF THAT TEACHER IS NOT 

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PERFORMING WELL, THAT SCHOOL 

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LEADER HAS AN OBLIGATION, AND 

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THAT IS TRUE TRADITIONAL OR 

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CHARTER, TO EITHER PROVIDE 

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RESOURCES TO THAT TEACHER TO 

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HELP THEM GET BETTER OR TO 

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REMOVE THAT TEACHER FROM THE 

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CLASSROOM. 

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AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, 

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CHARTER SCHOOLS ARE HELD 

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ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR RESULTS. 

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IF THEY CAN'T PERFORM, THEN, 

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YOU KNOW, THEY CAN BE SHUT DOWN

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AND WE HAVE SHUT DOWN POOR 

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PERFORMING CHARTER SCHOOLS. 

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IN TERMS OF TEACHERS, IT 

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BEHOOVES YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT 

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YOU HAVE AN EXCELLENT TEACHER 

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IN EVERY CLASSROOM REGARDLESS 

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OF HOW THEY GOT INTO THE 

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CLASSROOM.

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>> I THINK YOU BRING UP ANOTHER

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EXCELLENT POINT. 

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IF THE CHARTERS ARE NOT 

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WORKING, WHAT HAPPENS. 

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CHRIS, YOU MENTIONED THAT AS 

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WELL. 

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HOW LONG DO YOU HAVE TO 

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DETERMINE WHETHER A CHARTER 

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SCHOOL IS WORKING?

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>> WHAT OUR STATE HAS ACTUALLY 

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BEEN A LEADER ON IN THE ENTIRE 

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COUNTRY, BESSY BOARD HAS DONE 

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IN HOLDING CHARTER SCHOOLS 

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ACCOUNTABLE. 

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AT THE THREE-YEAR MARK, A 

29:06.167 --> 29:08.733
CHECK-IN BASED ON PERFORMANCE, 

29:08.733 --> 29:12.700
PERFORMAN

29:12.700 --> 29:13.633
PERFORMANCE, FINANCIALS, AND 

29:13.633 --> 29:14.600
GOVERNANCE. 

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LOUISIANA, AS THE VIDEO SHOWS, 

29:17.167 --> 29:18.567
HAS BEEN CONSISTENT. 

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IF YOU DON'T MEET THE BAR, THAT

29:20.133 --> 29:25.667
SCHOOL IS NOT -- IS REMOVED. 

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IT IS A MINIMAL BAR. 

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PARTICULARLY OUT OF NEW 

29:29.067 --> 29:30.500
ORLEANS, I WAS A TEACHER IN NEW

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ORLEANS BEFORE THE HURRICANE, 

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AND THE LAST THING WE WERE 

29:32.667 --> 29:35.300
DOING IN THAT SYSTEM WAS 

29:35.300 --> 29:36.033
EDUCATING KIDS. 

29:36.033 --> 29:37.367
IT WAS DYSFUNCTIONAL. 

29:37.367 --> 29:40.033
THE REALITY IS THAT THE CHARTER

29:40.033 --> 29:41.633
SCHOOL MOVEMENT ALLOWED THIS 

29:41.633 --> 29:43.267
EMPOWERMENT OF EDUCATORS, PART 

29:43.267 --> 29:45.400
OF A TRADITIONAL SYSTEM AND 

29:45.400 --> 29:46.633
OTHERWISE, FINALLY HAVE CONTROL

29:46.633 --> 29:47.800
OVER THEIR BUDGET AND OVER 

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THEIR TIME AND THE RESOURCES. 

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AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I 

29:50.833 --> 29:52.867
THINK WE NEED TO TALK MORE 

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ABOUT, WHAT ARE WE DOING IN ALL

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SCHOOLS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE 

29:55.967 --> 29:57.267
RESOURCES, DECISION-MAKING 

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POWER IS ACTUALLY AT THE SCHOOL

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LEVEL TO EMPOWER THOSE SCHOOLS 

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TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR KIDS. 

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THAT'S THE REALITY WE SEE HERE.

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AND KNOWING THAT OUR SCHOOL 

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DISTRICTS COULD MODEL 

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THEMSELVES, AND MANY DO, BUT 

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AFTER BESSY. 

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LOOK AT THE HIGH STANDARDS -- 

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WHY AREN'T ALL OF OUR SCHOOLS 

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HELD TO A THREE-YEAR LOOK IN 

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PERFORMANCE.

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>> WE HAVE NATHANIEL, ANOTHER 

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STUDENTS WITH A QUESTION.

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>> MY QUESTION IS, I ATTEND A 

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CHARTER SCHOOL, AND THE GENERAL

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CONSENSUS IS THAT CHARTER 

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SCHOOLS IN MORE URBAN AREAS 

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PERFORM BETTER THAN CHARTERS IN

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SUBURBAN AND RURAL AREAS?

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CAN YOU TELL ME WHY THAT IS?

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>> I MEAN I'LL JUMP IN. 

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I THINK YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE

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CREDO STUDY OUT OF STANFORD 

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UNIVERSITY, WHICH NATIONALLY 

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FOUND THAT CHARTER SCHOOLS 

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DIDN'T PERFORM ANY BETTER OR 

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WORSE THAN THE SCHOOLS. 

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IN LOUISIANA, THE CHARTER 

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SCHOOLS HERE OUTPERFORM ON 

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AVERAGE TRADITIONAL SCHOOLS. 

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WHEN WE DUG IN MORE CLOSELY, IT

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SAID THE SCHOOLS IN NEW ORLEANS

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SPECIFICALLY WERE 

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OUTPERFORMING -- THERE WAS THIS

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INTENSE FOCUS. 

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WHAT DOES AUTONOMY REALLY MEAN.

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EVERY SCHOOL IS OPERATING IN A 

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WAY THAT ALL OF THE PRINCIPALS 

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HAD DECISION MAKING POWER, A 

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LOT MORE COLLABORATION, 

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COMPETITION, AND PRESSURE, JUST

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SCHOOL TO SCHOOL. 

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NO TRADITIONAL VERSUS CHARTER. 

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MORE WE KNOW WE HAVE TO GET 

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RESULTS. 

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WE HAVE TO KEEP OUR BEST 

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TALENT. 

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IF WE HAVE A TALENT THAT IS NOT

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WORKING OUT FOR THE KIDS NEEDS 

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TO BE MOVED OUT QUICKLY. 

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I THINK THAT ECOSYSTEM ISN'T 

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FELT AS MUCH IN OTHER PARTS OF 

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THE STATE. 

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LOTS OF PEOPLE DOING PIONEERING

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THINGS IN OTHER PARTS. 

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SCHOOLS, BECAUSE OF THE RULES 

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OF THE STATE BOARD AND 

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OTHERWISE, WILL BE HELD 

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ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR RESULTS. 

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IF THEY ARE NOT GETTING IT 

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DONE -- 

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>> GO AHEAD.

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>> I DISAGREE WITH THE CREDO 

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STU

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STUDY CLASSIFYING THE SUBURBAN 

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SCHOOLS AS LESS THOROUGH AND 

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NOT AS EFFECTIVE. 

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I THINK THE WAY THE STUDY WAS 

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STRUCTURED WAS WRONG. 

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THEY COMPARED THE NEW ORLEANS 

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CHARTER SCHOOLS TO THE NEW 

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ORLEANS DIRECT RUN SCHOOLS. 

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AND THOSE ARE THE VERY POOREST 

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SCHOOLS IN THE STATE. 

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WHEN YOU COMPARE THE CHARTER 

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SCHOOLS TO THE POOREST RUN 

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SCHOOL IN THE STATE, OBVIOUSLY 

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YOU HAVE AN IMPROVEMENT OR A 

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BETTER PERFORMANCE. 

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THE SUBURBAN SCHOOLS ARE BEING 

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COMPARED TO THE LOCAL SCHOOL 

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SYSTEMS WHERE THEY ARE LOCATED.

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THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS. 

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IF YOU LOOK AT THE SCORES OF 

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THE STUDENT, YOU GUYS ARE DOING

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BETTER THAN THE SCHOOLS ARE IN 

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THE NEW ORLEANS AREA. 

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I CAN ASSURE YOU ON THE 

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AVERAGE, MUCH BETTER.

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>> VERONICA, DO YOU WANT TO 

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JUMP IN?

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>> I WANTED TO MAKE A QUICK 

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CLARIFICATION. 

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I WILL GET SUPER NERDY REALLY 

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QUICKLY, WHICH IS ME ALL OF THE

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TIME. 

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ACTUALLY THE CREDO STUDY USED A

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VIRTUAL TWIN MODEL, WHICH MEANS

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THAT YOU ARE NOT COMPARING THE 

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SCHOOL AND THE TRADITIONAL 

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SCHOOLS TO THE CHARTER 

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SCHOOLS -- WHAT YOU DO FOR EACH

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INDIVIDUAL STUDENTS, YOU LOOK 

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AT THEIR DEMOGRAPHIC. 

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WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO FIND 

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ANOTHER KID IN THE STATE OF 

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LOUISIANA WHO MATCHES MATT 

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DEMOGRAPHICS FOR THE MOST PART.

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AND WHEN WE USE THE CREDO 

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STUDY, AND WE SAY THAT CHARTERS

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ARE OUTPERFORMING TRADITIONAL 

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SCHOOLS OR WHENEVER WE'RE 

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TALKING ABOUT DATA IN THAT 

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STUDY, YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER 

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THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE 

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ENTIRE STATE AND FINDING KIDS 

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IN THE AGGREGATE WHO LOOK LIKE 

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THE KIDS WHO ARE IN THE 

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CHARTERS, AS WELL. 

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SO, IT COULD BE THAT THE 

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SUBURBAN RURAL SCHOOLS, SOME OF

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THE KIDS WHO MATCH YOU 

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DEMOGRAPHICALLY ELSEWHERE WERE 

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DOING WELL, BUT PERHAPS SITTING

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IN THE DISTRICT THAT YOU'RE IN,

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YOU'RE ACTUALLY OUTPERFORMING 

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THAT DISTRICT. 

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SO, I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT 

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CLARIFICATION.

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>> IF I MAY INTERJECT, I'M 

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ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT THE 

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STUDIES THAT WE HEAR ABOUT FOR 

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VARIOUS THINGS, AND IT JUST 

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GIVES THE PUBLIC A FALSE SENSE 

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OF UNDERSTANDING WHAT IS 

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HAPPENING IN OUR CHARTER 

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SCHOOLS. 

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AND, ONCE AGAIN, MY REAL ISSUE 

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IS WITH THE FACT THAT WE ARE 

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SIPHONING OFF THE FUNDING, THE 

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FUNDING IS NOT PUT IN PLACE TO 

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ASSIST ALL CHILDREN WITHIN THE 

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PUBLIC SETTING. 

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AGAIN, WHEN I LOOK AT CHARTER 

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SCHOOLS AND WE -- AS PUBLIC 

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SYSTEMS, PUBLIC SCHOOLS, I SEE 

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THEM AS PRIVATE SCHOOLS USING 

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PUBLIC FUNDS. 

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AND, AGAIN, I THINK WE HAVE A 

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RESPONSIBILITY TO EDUCATE THE 

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CHILDREN, PROVIDE THOSE 

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OUTCOMES AND WE COULD DO IT IF 

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WE WORK TOGETHER AND WE WEREN'T

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IN COMPETITION WHILE WE'RE 

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SAYING THAT WE DON'T WANT THE 

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COMPETITION, THE COMPETITION IS

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THERE. 

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IT'S VERY EVIDENT. 

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AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE WILL 

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EVER GET ON THE SAME PAGE.

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>> I'M HEARING A LOT ABOUT BEST

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PRACTICES AND STANDARDS HERE. 

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WE ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION OF 

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CLARANCE ABOUT STANDARDS.

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>> HOW DOES THE DEPARTMENTOF 

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EDUCATION, SHARING THE DATA 

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WITH THE REST OF THE LOUISIANA 

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PUBLIC SCHOOLS?

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>> I'M -- I AM A SUPERINTENDENT

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OF A TRADITIONAL SYSTEM, AS I 

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POINTED OUT. 

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AND WE ARE MAKING IT HAPPEN 

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WITHIN OUR DISTRICT. 

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AND THAT'S WHY I -- MY BELIEF 

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IS THAT WHEN YOU HIRE LEADERS 

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WITHIN A DISTRICT, THOSE 

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LEADERS SHOULD TAKE THE 

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INITIATIVE AND MAKE GREAT 

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THINGS HAPPEN. 

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THEY NEED TO DO THEIR RESEARCH.

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THEY NEED TO IMPLEMENT THE BEST

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PRACTICES, AND I, AS A BESSY 

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MEMBER, ALSO TELL 

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SUPERINTENDENT WHITE AT THE 

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MEETINGS THAT I DON'T BELIEVE 

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THAT HE IS DOING ENOUGH AS OUR 

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STATE SUPERINTENDENT OF 

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EDUCATION TO SUPPORT OUR 

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TRADITIONAL SYSTEMS. 

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THE FOCUS IS ON CHARTERS. 

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AND I FEEL THAT HE IS 

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NEGLECTING IN THAT SENSE, AND I

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FEEL THAT WE NEED 

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INDIVIDUALS -- INDIVIDUALS 

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WOULD AGREE WITH ME.

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>> THE WHOLE MONEY ISSUE THAT 

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IS INVOLVED AND COMPANIES 

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COMING IN AND SETTING UP 

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SCHOOLS, CHARTER SCHOOLS, IS 

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THAT A REAL CONCERN THAT IT IS 

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A MONEY-MAKING VENTURE FOR A 

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LOT OF THE COMPANIES AND HOW 

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DOES THAT FACTOR INTO THE REAL 

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EDUCATION OF OUR STUDENTS?

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>> THE -- MANY OF THE CHARTER 

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SCHOOLS ARE RUN, EVEN IF 

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THEY'RE NONPROFITS, THEY'RE 

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ACTUALLY RUN BY A PROFIT-MAKING

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ORGANIZATION. 

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THE EDISON COMPANY THAT HANDLED

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THE CAPITAL SCHOOL -- DON'T 

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ASSUME THAT IF IT SAYS 

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NONPROFIT THAT IT IS REALLY 

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NONPROFIT. 

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THEY CAN MILK THE CITY FOR HOW 

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MUCH MONEY THEY CAN MAKE BY 

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HIRING THE LEAST EXPENSIVE 

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TEACHERS. 

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ANOTHER THING THEY DO WHICH I 

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THINK WE SHOULD ALL BE AGAINST,

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THEY'RE EXEMPTED FROM BEING 

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PART OF THE TEACHER RETIREMENT 

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SYSTEM. 

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LEGISLATURE ASSESSES A SPECIAL 

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ASSESSMENT TO ALL LOCAL SCHOOL 

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SYSTEMS TO PAY FOR THE UNFUNDED

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LIABILITY OF THE TEACHERS 

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RETIREMENT SYSTEM. 

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WHEN THE SCHOOL IS ALLOWED TO 

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ESCAPE THE RETIREMENT SYSTEM, 

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THEY ARE SAVING AT LEAST 20% OF

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THE COST OF THE SALARIES BY 

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SHORT-CHANGING THE LOUISIANA 

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SYSTEM. 

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THAT'S A BIG MISTAKE. 

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AND IT JUST PUTS A BIGGER AND 

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BIGGER BURDEN ON THE REST OF 

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THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS.

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>> IN TERMS OF RETIREMENT, 120 

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CHARTER SCHOOLS CURRENTLY IN 

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THE STATE. 

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OVER HALF OF THEM BELONG TO THE

37:36.400 --> 37:38.600
TRSL SYSTEM AND THE ONES THAT 

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DON'T PROVIDE A DIFFERENT 

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RETIREMENT PLAN FOR THEIR 

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TEACHERS -- 

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>> I THINK THE POINT HE'S 

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MAKING IS IT IS OPTIONAL.

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>> THE UAL THAT MIKE IS TALKING

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ABOUT IS HUGE AND IT IS A BIG 

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PROBLEM FOR TRADITIONAL SCHOOLS

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AND SCHOOLS THAT ARE IN -- BUT 

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THE REASON WHY IT SITS AT 

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$18.3 -- 

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>> UAL.

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>> UNFUNDED ACCRUED 

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LIABILITY -- IS BECAUSE IT WAS 

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MISMANAGED. 

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THERE IS A LEGISLATIVE 

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AUDITOR'S REPORT THAT TALKS 

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ABOUT OVER THE YEARS IT WAS 

38:12.500 --> 38:13.133
MISMANAGED. 

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IF YOU PUT IN ALL OF THE 

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SCHOOLS THAT AREN'T IN TRSL 

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INTO IT, YOU GENERATE OF TO $10

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MILLION. 

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THAT IS 1-500th OF THE UAL. 

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I AGREE WITH MIKE IN THE SENSE 

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THAT IT IS A BIG PROBLEM, BUT 

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IT IS NOT BECAUSE OF CHARTERS. 

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IT IS AN ISSUE THAT WE AS A 

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STATE, WE AS A PEOPLE IN 

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LOUISIANA NEED TO ENCOURAGE OUR

38:36.233 --> 38:38.000
LEGISLATORS TO HELP US FIGURE 

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OUT HOW IT'S FIXED.

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>> CHRIS, DO YOU WANT TO -- 

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>> I THINK THAT POINT 

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EXACTLY -- THIS IS ONE OF THOSE

38:45.400 --> 38:46.767
INNOVATIONS THAT WE COULD 

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ACTUALLY LEARN FROM FROM 

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PRIVATE SCHOOLS AND CHARTER 

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SCHOOLS AND OTHERS.

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OUR DISTRICTS HAVE BEEN ASKING 

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FOR RELIEF ON THIS. 

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WHY IS IT FORCED ON EVERYONE TO

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BE IN A SYSTEM TO PROMISE 100% 

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OF SALARY FOR MORE YEARS THAN 

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YOU SPEND IN THE CLASSROOM?

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I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN UPSIDE 

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DOWN IN THAT WORK AND IT IS 

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PUTTING A BURDEN -- SCHOOLS 

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COMPETING FOR STUDENTS, THE 

39:12.667 --> 39:13.667
DEBATE EVOLVES BACK INTO A 

39:13.667 --> 39:15.867
QUESTION OF MONEY. 

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GOING BACK TO THE CORE -- WE 

39:17.500 --> 39:19.067
SHOULD HAVE OUR SCHOOLS 

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COMPETING FOR ALL OF OUR KIDS. 

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THAT HAPPENS AT THE COLLEGE AND

39:22.667 --> 39:23.533
UNIVERSITY LEVEL. 

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WHY IS IT NOT HAPPENING IN THE 

39:27.133 --> 39:28.833
NEIGHBORHOODS -- ACHIEVEMENT 

39:28.833 --> 39:30.700
ZONE -- WHY AREN'T WE GOING IN 

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THERE AND SAYING WE WANT YOUR 

39:32.267 --> 39:34.433
CHILD TO HAVE THE BEST 

39:34.433 --> 39:35.000
OPPORTUNITY. 

39:35.000 --> 39:36.667
HERE IS WHAT THIS PROGRAM 

39:36.667 --> 39:37.067
OFFERS. 

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AND HERE IS WHAT THIS ONE 

39:38.667 --> 39:40.033
OFFERS AND ALLOWING THE 

39:40.033 --> 39:41.067
OPPORTUNITIES TO COMPETE SO 

39:41.067 --> 39:42.167
LONG AS WE MAKE SURE THAT 

39:42.167 --> 39:46.033
GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS FOCUS ON, 

39:46.033 --> 39:47.100
AGAIN, OUTCOMES. 

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GOVERNMENT SHOULD MANAGE TO THE

39:48.800 --> 39:50.100
OUTCOMES AND ACCOUNTABILITY, 

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NOT WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THE 

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FRONT END OR DAY-TO-DAY IN 

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SCHOOLS -- 

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>> WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SCHOOLS

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AND WHETHER THE SCHOOL SYSTEM 

40:00.433 --> 40:01.533
ATTRACTS BUSINESS AND NEW 

40:01.533 --> 40:02.400
PEOPLE TO THE STATE. 

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PATTY HAS A QUESTION ALONG 

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THOSE LINES.

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>> YES, RIGHT. 

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AND THAT WAS MY QUESTION IS DO 

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YOU THINK THAT HAVING THE 

40:10.233 --> 40:11.800
OPTION OF HAVING CHARTER 

40:11.800 --> 40:12.733
SCHOOLS HERE AND DIFFERENT 

40:12.733 --> 40:14.767
TYPES OF SCHOOLS THROUGH THE 

40:14.767 --> 40:16.500
CHARTERS IS ATTRACTIVE TO 

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BUSINESSES COMING INTO 

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LOUISIANA?

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>> I MEAN, TO MY ORGANIZATION, 

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SCHOOLS FOR BATON ROUGE, 

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SPECIFICALLY FOCUSED ON 

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RECRUITING ORGANIZATIONS 

40:25.833 --> 40:28.967
LOCALLY AND NATIONALLY WITH 

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EXCEPTIONAL TRACK RECORDS AND 

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ASKING THEM TO DO MORE. 

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DO ANOTHER SCHOOL. 

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I THINK ANY BUSINESS ASKS ABOUT

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THAT. 

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IN FACT, PARTNERSHIPS WITH 

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LOCAL BUSINESSES AND 

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INDUSTRIES, WE HEAR IT ALL OF 

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THE TIME. 

40:42.767 --> 40:44.333
FOLKS SAYING WE DON'T SEE A 

40:44.333 --> 40:45.533
GREAT OPTION IN THE PUBLIC 

40:45.533 --> 40:46.800
SYSTEM SO THAT WE HAVE TO PAY 

40:46.800 --> 40:48.333
OUR WORKERS MORE TO STAY WITH 

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US SO THEY CAN AFFORD THE 

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PRIVATE SCHOOL TUITION. 

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I THINK BECAUSE OF -- INVESTING

40:55.167 --> 40:57.167
A LOT OF DOLLARS IN SCHOOLS IN 

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LOUISIANA. 

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OVER $8 BILLION ANNUALLY IS 

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SPENT ON PUBLIC EDUCATION AND 

41:01.600 --> 41:03.100
CONSISTENTLY, THE LAST 20 

41:03.100 --> 41:05.133
YEARS, RESULTS HAVE BASICALLY 

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BEEN FLAT. 

41:05.700 --> 41:07.367
I THINK AT SOME POINT WE HAVE 

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TO START ASKING OURSELVES WHAT 

41:08.800 --> 41:12.167
ARE WE DOING DIFFERENTLY. 

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IT IS GOING TO TAKE ALL OF US. 

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IT CAN'T JUST BE A CHARTER, 

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TRADITIONAL OR PRIVATE 

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SOLUTION. 

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IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE 

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DON'T FIX, I DON'T THINK WE 

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WILL SEE THE WINS WE HAVE SEEN 

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RECENTLY -- 

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>> DOCTOR, I WANT TO GET YOUR 

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TAKE ON THAT. 

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YOU SAID IT CAN'T BE A PUBLIC, 

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CHARTER OR PRIVATE SCHOOL 

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SOLUTION. 

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DO YOU FEEL THAT THE SOLUTION 

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HAS MANY DIFFERENT TIERS TO IT?

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>> ONCE AGAIN, I THINK THE 

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CHARTER SCHOOLS HAVE A ROLE. 

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BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO AN

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EXPERIENCE JUST RECENTLY IN A 

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NEIGHBORING DISTRICT. 

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THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR A TYPE 

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ONE CHARTER, AND THE COMMUNITY,

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THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY GOT 

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INVOLVED, BUT -- AND THEN IT 

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WAS BASED, NOT BECAUSE THE 

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SCHOOL DISTRICT WAS FAILING, 

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BUT BECAUSE OF ATTEMPTS TO PASS

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A BOND, TAXPAYERS DIDN'T 

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SUPPORT IT, AND SO THEN THERE 

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IS A LACK OF -- THERE IS A LACK

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OF FACILITY SPACE, AND SO THE 

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GROUP THAT CAME IN, THE CHARTER

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GROUP, INSTEAD OF BUILDING THE 

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FACILITIES IN AN AREA THAT IS 

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MOST AT RISK, THEY WERE PUTTING

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THE FACILITY IN A MOST 

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PROMINENT AREA, WHICH IT WOULD 

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NOT CATER TO THE STUDENTS MOST 

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IN NEED, BUT TO THE MORE 

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AFFLUENT POPULATION, AND THAT'S

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A BIG CONCERN I HAVE. 

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I MEAN, LET'S PUT THE FACTS ON 

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THE TABLE. 

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WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY, AS I 

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SEE THE CHARTER SCHOOLS TO PLAY

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A ROLE IN ADDRESSING THE MOST 

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AT-RISK POPULATION, BUT THAT, 

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YOU KNOW, AND THE EXPERIENCES 

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THAT I'VE HAD WITH CHARTER 

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OPERATORS, THE INTENT AS I SEE 

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IT, THE OBJECTIVE IS TO SECURE 

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THOSE STUDENTS WHO ARE MOST 

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LIKELY TO SUCCEED.

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>> UH-HMM, YEAH, VERY 

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INTERESTING.

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>> YES.

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>> MY QUESTION WOULD BE, YOU 

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TALKED ABOUT THE THREE-YEAR 

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GRADING SYSTEM, AND IF I WERE 

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OPERATING A CHARTER SCHOOL AND 

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IN THREE YEARS I WAS EXPECTED 

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TO MEET CERTAIN STANDARDS, 

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MY -- IF I HAD A FAILING 

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SCHOOL, I MIGHT BE MORE PRONE 

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TO -- FAILING GRADE, SOME 

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KIDS -- I MIGHT BE MORE PRONE 

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TO TAKE THE KIDS ABOVE TO HAVE 

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A BETTER CHANCE OF PASSING THAT

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REQUIREMENT. 

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AND I WAS WONDERING WHAT IS IN 

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PLACE TO PREVENT -- ONE GREAT 

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THING ABOUT PUBLIC EDUCATION, A

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PROMISE TO CALL KIDS TO HAVE 

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THAT EDUCATION. 

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WHAT IS TO PREVENT A CHARTER 

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SCHOOL FROM JUST TAKING THE 

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TOP?

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>> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 

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IF YOU THOUGHT OF GOVERNMENT 

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WORKING MORE AS A REGULATOR OF 

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OUTCOMES. 

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CERTAIN FAIR RULES OF A GAME. 

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CERTAIN RULES EVERYONE KNOWS TO

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PLAY BY AND YOU WORK AS HARD AS

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YOU CAN TO HAVE A COMPETITIVE 

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TEAM TO WIN ON A FIELD. 

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IN NEW ORLEANS, RECOGNIZING 

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THAT MOST OF THE SCHOOLS WERE 

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CHARTERS AND HAD INDEPENDENT 

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LOTTERIES, YOU KNOW, THERE 

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COULD BE EXAMPLES, THERE COULD 

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BE TIMES THAT FOLKS WOULD 

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MANEUVER THE SYSTEM. 

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GOVERNMENT SAID IT ACTUALLY 

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MAKES SENSE TO WORK WITH 

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ORLEANS SCHOOL DISTRICT, 

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PRIVATE SCHOOLS, CHARTER 

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SCHOOLS AUTHORIZED BY THE STATE

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TO HAVE ONE COMMON ENROLLMENT 

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SYSTEM WHERE PARENTS COULD 

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EXERCISE CHOICE AT ANY SCHOOL. 

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AS A PARENT, IT DIDN'T MATTER 

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IF THE FIRST CHOICE WAS A -- 

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YOU MADE YOUR CHOICE BASED ON 

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WHAT YOU THOUGHT THE QUALITY 

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WAS. 

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IF YOU LOOK AT THE RESULTS OF 

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THOSE, PARENTS HAVE 

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OVERWHELMINGLY FAVORED THE 

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SCHOOLS WITH HIGHER GROWTH AND 

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HIGHER PERFORMANCE LEVELS. 

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PARENTS ALREADY -- TRYING TO 

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GET INTO THE SCHOOLS WITH THE 

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BEST RESULTS. 

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IN THIS CASE, GOVERNMENT COULD 

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ACT AS THE -- LET'S MAKE SURE 

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THAT EVERY KID HAS FAIR ACCESS.

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I AGREE, I THINK THAT IS A 

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PROPER ROLE THAT GOVERNMENT CAN

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PLAY WITHOUT MANAGING THE 

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DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS OF THE 

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SCHOOL.

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>> I DON'T THINK THE GOVERNMENT

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IS DOING THEIR JOB ON THAT. 

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I THINK IT IS AN EXCELLENT 

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QUESTION TO ASK. 

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WILL THEY TRY TO REMOVE THE 

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STUDENTS THAT ARE NOT 

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PERFORMING?

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WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE 

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SELECTIVE DISMISSALS OUTS OF 

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THE SCHOOL. 

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WE KNOW THERE ARE CHILDREN 

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BEING COUNCILED OUT OF THE 

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SCHOOLS BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT 

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PERFORMING. 

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DISCIPLINE POLICIES IN MANY OF 

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THE CHARTER SCHOOLS IS A WAY OF

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REMOVING KIDS THAT ARE NOT 

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PERFORMING. 

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USUALLY THE KIDS THAT ARE NOT 

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PERFORMING WELL OR DISCIPLINE 

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PROBLEMS. 

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ALL OF THE SUDDEN YOU HAVE A 

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SELF-FULFILLING PROPHECY, THE 

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CHARTER SCHOOL LOOKS GREAT 

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BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO 

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CULL OUT SOME OF OF THE 

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STUDENTS.

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>> I HAVE TO BRING YOU IN ON 

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THIS. 

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YOU WERE ADAMANT EARLIER WHEN 

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YOU SAID THAT THE CHARTER 

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SCHOOLS WERE NOT SELECTIVE. 

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WE HAVE HEARD THAT IN FACT THEY

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ARE. 

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MIKE YOU JUST SAID THAT WE KNOW

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THIS, THAT THEY ARE. 

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WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSE TO WHAT 

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YOU'RE HEARING?

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>> I CAN ONLY SPEAK TO THE 

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CHARTER SCHOOLS THAT I'M AWARE 

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OF IN NEW ORLEANS, FOLLOWING 

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THE PROCESS THAT CALL KIDS IN 

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NEW ORLEANS RECEIVE THE QUALITY

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EDUCATION. 

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ONE OF THE BIGGEST 

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MISCONCEPTIONS, WE ARE ACTING 

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LIKE THE EDUCATION SYSTEM IN 

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LOUISIANA IS WORKING. 

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WHEN WE LOOK AT THE PERFORMANCE

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SCORE OF OUR KIDS, AND LOOK AT 

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OUR NATIONAL RANKING, ALL OF 

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OUR KIDS ARE AT RISK. 

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ALL OF OUR KIDS ARE AT RISK OF 

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NOT SUCCEEDING. 

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SOMETHING HAD TO HAPPEN. 

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EVERY PARENT ACTIVELY WALKING 

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WITH THEIR FEET TO DECIDE ON 

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WHICH SCHOOL TO SEND THEIR 

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CHILD TO AND ACTIVELY INVOLVED 

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IN THE PROCESS TO MAKE SURE 

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THAT THEIR CHILD IS RECEIVING A

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QUALITY EDUCATION. 

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I BELIEVE ALL KIDS IN LOUISIANA

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ARE AT RISK AND I BELIEVE 

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CHARTER SCHOOLS ARE PROVIDING 

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ALL OF THE KIDS THE OPPORTUNITY

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TO HAVE SUCCESS. 

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IN NEW ORLEANS, WE ARE NOT 

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SELECTIVE. 

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THE KIDS AND FAMILIES ARE 

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ACTIVELY GETTING INVOLVED IN 

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THE EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM TO BE 

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PROACTIVE, TO MAKE SURE THAT 

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THEIR KIDS ACTUALLY HAVE A 

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CHANCE TO SUCCEED.

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>> GO AHEAD.

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>> AND JUST TO RESPOND TO YOUR 

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COMMENTS, IN FACT, I HAVE 

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VISITED NEW ORLEANS AND I HAVE 

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DISCUSSED WITH PARENTS OF THOSE

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SCHOOLS THAT HAVE A MISSION 

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FOCUS, AND MY OPINION, THAT IF 

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SELECTED ADMISSIONS -- ONE OF 

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THE SUPPORTERS OF A CHARTER 

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SCHOOL THERE WITH THE MISSION 

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FOCUS INDICATED THAT AS PART OF

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THE INTERVIEW PROCESS, THEY 

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SEEK OUT LEADERS. 

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AND I HAD THE SAME PROGRAM IN 

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ONE OF MY SCHOOLS IN ST. MARTIN

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PARISH, AND THE GENTLEMAN TOLD 

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ME HE WAS LOOKING FOR LEADERS. 

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WELL, MY TEACHER IS NOT 

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AFFORDED TO THE OPPORTUNITY TO 

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DISMISS STUDENTS WHO ARE NOT 

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THE LEADERS HE HAS IDENTIFIED. 

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SO, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN SAY

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THERE IS NO SELECTIVE 

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ADMISSION, BUT WE KNOW BETTER.

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>> YOU TALK ABOUT PARENTS. 

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YOU KNOW, POUNDING THE 

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PAVEMENT, LOOKING FOR THE BEST 

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OPTION FOR THEIR KIDS, IT JUST 

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SEEMS LIKE IT IS SO CONFUSING. 

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HOW DO PARENTS REALLY NAVIGATE 

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THE SCHOOL, THE OPTIONS THAT 

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THEY DO HAVE?

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IT SEEMS LIKE IT COULD BE 

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OVERWHELMING FOR PARENTS AND 

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THEY REALLY DO NEED TO BE 

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PROACTIVE. 

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WHAT DO YOU SAY TO PARENTS TO 

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HELP THEM FIGURE THIS ALL OUT?

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>> SURE. 

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I WILL TAKE THAT QUESTION AND 

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ALSO TO CLARIFY, THERE ARE 120 

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CHARTER SCHOOLS IN THE STATE OF

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LOUISIANA. 

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60 TYPE FIVE CHARTER SCHOOLS, 

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OPEN ENROLLMENT AND THEY CAN'T 

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HAVE SELECTIVE CRITERIA. 

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I WANT TO BE SURE THAT PEOPLE 

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UNDERSTAND THAT IN NEW ORLEANS,

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THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF 

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CHARTER SCHOOLS ARE ABSOLUTELY 

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OPEN ENROLLMENT AND THEY ARE 

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NOT CHOOSING WHO COMES IN AND 

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WHO LEAVES. 

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IN TERMS OF THE SYSTEM THOUGH, 

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I DO AGREE IT CAN BE CONFUSING.

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THERE ARE FIVE DIFFERENT TYPES 

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OF CHARTER SCHOOLS. 

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IN THE FUTURE, THERE COULD BE 

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SEVEN. 

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THERE ARE TWO ADDITIONAL ONES 

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ON THE BOOKS RIGHT NOW. 

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AND THERE ARE -- THERE ARE 

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RESOURCES FOR THOSE PARENTS. 

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CHARTER SCHOOL ASSOCIATION, LA 

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SCHOOL FINDER, WHICH IS SORT OF

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LIKE CAR FACTS IF YOU HAVE 

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OTHER LOOKED FOR A CAR ONLINE. 

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THE SCHOOL FINDER IS LIKE THAT.

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YOU PUT IN INFORMATION FOR WHAT

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YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AND IT SHOWS

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YOU VARIOUS DIFFERENT SCHOOLS. 

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ALSO, IN NEW ORLEANS, 

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SPECIFICALLY, THERE IS A PARENT

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GUIDE THAT COMES OUT THAT HELPS

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PARENTS. 

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BUT I DO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, 

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IN GENERAL, I THINK THAT IS A 

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FAIR STATEMENT THAT IT CAN BE A

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LITTLE OVERWHELMING.

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>> OKAY. 

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I'M SORRY, MIKE, DID YOU WANT 

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TO GET IN THERE?

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>> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT

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IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO HAVE THE

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PARENTS TRY TO DECIDE WHAT 

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SCHOOL THEIR CHILD SHOULD 

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ATTEND UNLESS IT IS A VERY 

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SPECIFIC THING IF THERE IS A 

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SCHOOL OFFERING A TECHNICAL 

49:58.233 --> 49:59.367
PROGRAM AND THEIR CHILD WANTS 

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TO BE A WELDER OR A TECHNICIAN 

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OF SOME TYPE, MAYBE A COMPUTER 

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PROGRAMMER, CERTAINLY THAT 

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WOULD BE THE SCHOOL THAT YOU 

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COULD CHOOSE. 

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SO, BUT MOST SCHOOLS, WHAT WE 

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NEED TO HAVE IN LOUISIANA IS TO

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HAVE EVERY SCHOOL THAT HAS 

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EXCELLENT TEACHERS AND TO MAKE 

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SURE THAT WE HAVE A BROAD 

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PROGRAM OFFERED TO ALL CHILDREN

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SO THAT NO MATTER WHAT CHILD 

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COMES TO THAT SCHOOL, HE OR SHE

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WILL GET A GOOD EDUCATION. 

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WE NEED TO PUT OUR PARENTS' 

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MINDS TO REST BY MAKING SURE 

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THAT ALL SCHOOLS ARE GOOD.

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>> YES.

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>> I VISITED A SCHOOL TODAY, 

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AND IT'S IDENTIFIED, LABELED A 

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C. 

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MY GRANDSON ATTENDS THAT 

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SCHOOL. 

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AND I SAW SOME VERY EXEMPLARY 

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TEACHING TODAY, AND BY BESSY'S 

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DEFINITION, A C IS FAILURE. 

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OUR GOVERNOR WAS ON NATIONAL 

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NEWS, POINTING OUT THAT 

50:52.233 --> 50:54.433
ST. MARTIN PARISH SCHOOL SYSTEM

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HAD SIX STUDENTS WHO WERE 

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AFFORDED A VOUCHER BECAUSE THEY

50:57.533 --> 50:59.567
WERE ATTENDING AN F SCHOOL. 

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WELL, THE SCHOOL IS NOT AN F 

51:03.267 --> 51:03.867
SCHOOL. 

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BUT BY BESSY'S DEFINITION, IT 

51:07.233 --> 51:08.367
IS A FAILING SCHOOL. 

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WHEN I GREW UP, WHEN I WENT 

51:10.700 --> 51:12.000
THROUGH THE TRADITIONAL 

51:12.000 --> 51:12.500
PROGRAM. 

51:12.500 --> 51:13.500
A C WAS AVERAGE. 

51:13.500 --> 51:16.867
TODAY I SIT WITH A DOCTORATE, 

51:16.867 --> 51:19.633
AND, AGAIN, I MADE A FEW C'S IN

51:19.633 --> 51:20.300
MY LIFE. 

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THAT DOESN'T MEAN I'M A 

51:22.833 --> 51:23.267
FAILURE. 

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I THINK WORK ETHIC IS VERY 

51:25.033 --> 51:25.600
IMPORTANT. 

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OUR STUDENTS NEED THOSE WORK 

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ETHICS. 

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THAT NEEDS TO BE INSTILLED 

51:29.333 --> 51:30.233
WITHIN THEM. 

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WE NEED THE QUALITY TEACHERS 

51:31.900 --> 51:34.000
AND WE NEED TO PROVIDE THE 

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PROFESSIONAL LEARNING. 

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OFTEN WE HEAR OF VARIED 

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COUNTRIES AND HOW EXCELLENT 

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EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS THEY HAVE,

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BUT THEY PROVIDE THE 

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PROFESSIONAL LEARNING FOR THEIR

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TEACHERS, JOB EMBEDDED DURING 

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THE DAY, AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN 

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WHEN WE HOLD UP THESE OTHER 

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COUNTRIES, WE NEED TO INFORM 

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THE PUBLIC THAT WE ARE DOING 

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THINGS DIFFERENTLY AND PERHAPS 

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IF WE FOLLOW THEIR LEAD, WE 

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COULD DO A BETTER JOB AT WHAT 

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WE DO.

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>> LET'S BRING IN AUDIENCE 

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MEMBERS. 

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YOUR QUESTION.

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>> MY QUESTION WAS WHAT IS THE 

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DEMAND FOR ENROLLMENT?

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HOW MANY STUDENTS ENROLL AND 

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ARE NOT ABLE TO GET INTO A 

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CHARTER SCHOOL AND ULTIMATELY 

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WHAT DO THEY DO?

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>> CHRIS, DO YOU WANT TO TAKE 

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THAT?

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>> YEAH, SO IN NEW ORLEANS, YOU

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HAD WAIT LIST, YOU KNOW, WHEN 

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THERE WAS INDIVIDUAL -- WAIT 

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LISTS IN THE HUNDREDS. 

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FAMILIES WANTED TO GO THERE. 

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MOST RECENT APPLICATIONS, 

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EVERYONE CAN PUT UP TO EIGHT 

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CHOICES WHERE THEY WANT TO DO. 

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YOU SEE A TREND OF THE HIGHER 

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PERFORMING SCHOOLS, SCHOOLS 

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GROWING MORE ACADEMICALLY ARE 

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THE ONES GETTING MORE AND MORE 

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PARENTS SAYING WE WANT TO GO TO

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THAT SCHOOL. 

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WE MAY BE SELLING PARENTS A 

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LITTLE SHORT BY NOT SAYING THEY

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CAN NAVIGATE THIS AND WE FIGURE

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OUT HOW TO NAVIGATE A LOT OF 

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CHOICES IN OUR LIFE. 

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WHAT YOU SEE FOR NEW ORLEANS, 

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GO IN FOR A SCHOOL SEARCH -- IT

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LOOKS LIKE ELECTION DAYS. 

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OUR SCHOOL DOES THIS. 

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HERE IS OUR TEST SCORES. 

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YOU WILL NEVER BELIEVE 

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PEOPLE -- MY KID GOES TO THE 

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FASTEST GROWING SCHOOLS IN ALL 

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OF LOUISIANA. 

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THESE ARE THINGS THAT PARENTS 

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RALLY AROUND AND THEY FIGURE 

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OUT HOW TO NAVIGATE.

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>> WHAT IS GOING ON IN NEW 

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ORLEANS?

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IS THAT ALL BEING REPLICATED IN

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OTHER PARISHES WHERE THERE ARE 

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CHARTER SCHOOLS -- 

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>> BATON ROUGE, IN BATON ROUGE,

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IT IS JUST THE OPPOSITE. 

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INSTEAD OF STUDENTS FLOCKING TO

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THE NINE CHARTER SCHOOLS IN 

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BATON ROUGE, THEY HAVE BEEN 

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LEAVING THE CHARTER SCHOOLS AND

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THE ENROLLMENT DROPPED TO LESS 

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THAN HALF OF WHAT IT STARTED 

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OFF BEING. 

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I GUESS IF YOU HAD A SYSTEM 

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THAT IS ALMOST 100% CHARTER 

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SCHOOLS, CERTAINLY YOU ARE 

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GOING TO HAVE COMPETITION TO 

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WHERE -- WHICH CHARTER SCHOOLS 

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DO I WANT TO ATTEND. 

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IN THE BATON ROUGE AREA, IT IS 

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JUST THE OPPOSITE. 

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CHILDREN HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SAY 

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OR PARENTS HAVE SAID I THINK I 

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WOULD RATHER STAY WITH THE 

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TRADITIONAL SCHOOLS IN MANY 

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CASES.

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>> YOUR QUESTION.

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>> ACTUALLY -- ACTUALLY TOUCHED

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ON MY QUESTION, AND VERONICA 

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ACTUALLY ANSWERED THE QUESTION.

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BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM 

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THE OTHER PANELISTS ON DO 

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TEACHERS IN THE CHARTER 

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SCHOOLS, DO THEY HAVE TO BE 

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CERTIFIED?

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AND IF NOT, WHY IS IT FLIP-FLOP

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FROM CHARTERS AND IT'S NOT IN 

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THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS, THEY HAVE 

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TO DO -- 

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>> YOU WOULD HAVE TO ASK A 

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LEGISLATOR THAT, PART OF THE 

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LEGISLATION PASSED IN 2012. 

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AND I QUESTION THAT DAILY. 

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AS A SUPERINTENDENT AND A 

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FORMER PERSONNEL DIRECTOR, I 

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HAD TO SEEK CERTIFIED TEACHERS.

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AND I CERTAINLY ADVOCATE 

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CERTIFIED TEACHERS IN THE 

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CLASSROOM, BECAUSE THEY MEET 

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THAT STANDARD. 

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I OFTEN TELL PEOPLE IF I GO TO 

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A SURGEON, I WANT TO BE SURE 

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THAT THAT SURGEON IS 

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CREDENTIALED. 

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AND I BELIEVE OUR TEACHERS NEED

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TO HAVE THAT TEACHER 

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CERTIFICATION, AND CRITICS WHO 

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SAY I AGREE OFTENTIMES YOU WILL

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FIND -- AN INEQUALITY. 

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THEY ARE NATURAL-BORN TEACHERS,

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BUT I BELIEVE THE STANDARDS 

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SHOULD BE MET AND IT WAS 

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THROUGH LEGISLATION, HOWEVER, 

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IN POLICY, IT SAYS THAT PUBLIC 

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SCHOOLTEACHERS SHOULD POSSESS A

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CERTIFICATION, BUT, AGAIN, THE 

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LEGISLATURE IN 2012, INDICATED 

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THAT THIS IS NOT A REQUIREMENT.

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>> WE ARE RUNNING VERY, VERY 

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SHORT ON TIME. 

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CHRIS YOU LOOK LIKE YOU WANTED 

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TO -- 

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>> WELL QUICKLY, THERE IS A LOT

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OF SURGEONS AROUND THE WORLD, 

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BUT WHEN YOU NEEDED THE HEALTH 

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CARE, YOU COME TO THE UNITED 

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STATES BECAUSE YOU ARE LOOKING 

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FOR SPECIFIC SKILL SETS AND 

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PEOPLE. 

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CHARTER SCHOOLS HAVE A PRESSURE

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BECAUSE OF THE ACCOUNTABILITY 

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STANDARDS, IF THEY DON'T 

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PRODUCE RESULTS AND DON'T BUILD

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THE BEST TEAM TO HELP THEM 

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PRODUCE RESULTS, THEY WILL BE 

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PUT OUT OF BUSINESS. 

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THAT IS THE APPROPRIATE 

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PLACE -- 

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>> THAT WAS AN ABSOLUTE STEP 

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BACKWARDS TO REMOVE THE 

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REQUIREMENT FOR CERTIFICATION.

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>> WE ARE GOING TO LET THAT BE 

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THE LAST WORD. 

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THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. 

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WE HAVE RUN OUT OF TIME FOR OUR

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Q AND A SEGMENT. 

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WE WOULD LIKE TO THANK ALL OF 

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OUR PANELISTS. 

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THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING 

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HERE. 

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WHEN WE COME BACK, WE WILL HAVE

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A FEW CLOSING COMMENTS.

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>> SHAUNA, CHARTER SCHOOLS ARE 

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CERTAINLY A BIG TOPIC IN NEW 

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ORLEANS, BATON ROUGE, I SEE 

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THIS CONVERSATION SPREADING 

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ACROSS THE STATE FOR ALL OF OUR

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VIEWERS AROUND LOUISIANA. 

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I THINK IT HAS BEEN VERY 

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THOUGHTFUL AND A LOT OF 

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QUESTIONS THAT STILL NEED 

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FURTHER FLUSHING OUT.

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>> AND VERY COLLABORATIVE. 

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WE WANTED THIS TO BE A 

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COLLABORATIVE DISCUSSION. 

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ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT CAME

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OUT FOR ME IS THAT IT SEEMS TO 

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BE A CONSENSUS AMONG AUDIENCE 

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MEMBERS AND PANELISTS, IT IS 

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NOT TRADITIONAL VERSUS 

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CHARTERS. 

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CHARTERS ARE HERE AND HERE TO 

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STAY AND THERE SEEMS TO BE A 

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PLACE FOR ALL OF THEM.

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>> WE DIDN'T GET INTO ALL OF 

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THE VIRTUAL, ONLINE THINGS THAT

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YOU TALK ABOUT.

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>> CONSTANT CONVERSATION.

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>> ABSOLUTELY.

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>> THAT IS ALL OF THE TIME WE 

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HAVE FOR THIS EDITION OF 

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"LOUISIANA PUBLIC SQUARE." 

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VISIT OUR WEB SITE. 

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WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU 

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AS WE DID FROM VIEWERS 

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FOLLOWING LAST MONTH'S PROGRAM,

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GAY IN LOUISIANA. 

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SCOTT WRITES I WAS DENIED 

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EMPLOYMENT IN THE HOUSING 

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DEPARTMENT OF A MAJOR TEXAS 

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UNIVERSITY BASED ON THE 

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RELIGIOUS BELIEFS OF MY 

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SUPERVISOR. 

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HIS RELIGION TOLD HIM GOING GAY

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WAS UNACCEPTABLE. 

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MY RELIGIOUS BELIEFS WOULD NOT 

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BE CONSIDERED. 

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YUSEF WRITES THE WORD GAY MEANS

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HAPPY AND -- 

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>> AND JOHN WRITES, THANK YOU 

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LPB FOR PRODUCING PUBLIC 

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SQUARE, A PROGRAM THAT 

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LOUISIANANS ARE FORTUNATE TO 

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HAVE. 

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IT FOSTERS INLIGHTENING 

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DISCUSSIONS ABOUT TONIGHT'S 

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TOPIC AND OTHERS. 

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THANK YOU TO EVERYONE FOR THEIR

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COMMENTS. 

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