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HELLO AND WELCOME TO "LOUISIANA PUBLIC SQUARE."

 

I'M BETH COURTNEY, PRESIDENT OF LPB AND JOINING US TO MODERATE

 

TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION ON THE NEWS MEDIA IS A JOURNALIST AND

 

PROFESSOR AT THE LSU MANCHIN SCHOOL OF MASS COMMUNICATION,

 

BOB MANN. WELCOME BOB.

 

THANK YOU BETH. AS SOMEONE WHO PREPARES STUDENTS

 

FOR THIS FIELD I'M VERY INTERESTED IN THIS TOPIC AND

 

IT'S AN INDUSTRY THAT HAS CHANGED -- HAS FACED MAJOR

 

CHANGES OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.

 

SINCE 2003, NEWSPAPER ADVERTISING REVENUE HAS DECLINED

 

BY 52%. IN CABLE NEWS JUST FIVE

 

COMPANIES CONTROL 84% OF THE MARKET SHARE AND TODAY, 43% OF

 

THE PUBLIC GETS ITS NEWS FROM SOCIAL MEDIA.

 

WELL, IN ADDITION TO INTERNAL CHALLENGES, THE NEWS MEDIA AS AN

 

INSTITUTION HAS RECENTLY COME UNDER ATTACK FROM PUBLIC FIGURES

 

AND COMMENTATORS, NOT SURPRISINGLY, MISTRUST OF THE

 

NEWS MEDIA CONTINUES TO GROW. TONIGHT, WE EXPLORE HOW TO

 

RESTORE THAT TRUST, WAYS TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN FAKE AND

 

REAL NEWS, AND WHAT ROLE SOCIAL MEDIA PLAYS IN BLURRING THAT

 

DISTINCTION, ALL THIS AND MORE ON NEWS ABOUT THE NEWS.

 

WHEN IT COMES TO THE NEWS MEDIA, PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP

 

HAS SEIZED ON A TRADEMARK CATCH PHRASE TO DESCRIBE OUTLETS HE

 

DISAGREES WITH. YOU ARE FAKE NEWS.

 

PRESIDENT TRUMP FIRST TWEETED THE WORDS FAKE NEWS IN DECEMBER

 

OF 2016 AND SINCE THEN HAS USED THE TERM MORE THAN 66 TIMES ON

 

HIS TWITTER ACCOUNT. DO YOU CRITICIZE JOURNALISTS

 

FOR HAVING BIAS? FOR NOT COVERING CERTAIN STORIES

 

ENOUGH? BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT THING

 

THAN SAYING THEY'RE FAKE. SO WHEN YOU GO BEYOND JUST

 

SAYING THEY MIGHT HAVE A LIBERAL BIAS TO SAYING THAT WHAT THEY'RE

 

DOING IS COMPLETELY MADE UP THAT'S CROSSING A LINE.

 

THAT'S A DANGEROUS LINE FOR A DEMOCRACY TO CROSS.

 

HE IS AN ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR AT LSU'S SCHOOL OF

 

COMMUNICATION. HE SAYS TRUE FAKE NEWS IS AN

 

INTENTIONALLY FALSE STORY, OFTEN ONLINE.

 

IT ACTS AS A BAIT TO GENERATE TRAFFIC AND AD REVENUE.

 

THE SECOND TYPE OF FAKE NEWS IS BASED MORE ON PERCEPTION THAN

 

ACCURACY. THERE'S ALSO CERTAIN

 

PROMINENT POLITICIANS AND MEDIA COMMENTATORS WHO ARE ACCUSING

 

TRADITIONAL JOURNALISM OF BEING FAKE NEWS AND THAT'S AN

 

IMPORTANT OTHER MEANING OF FAKE NEWS THESE DAYS, ESPECIALLY

 

BECAUSE IT DOES BLUR THIS LINE OF -- BRING OF THIS QUESTION OF

 

WHAT IS REAL NEWS? PRESIDENT TRUMP'S DISPLEASURE

 

WITH THE NATIONAL MEDIA MAY BE SOMEWHAT JUSTIFIED BASED ON HIS

 

COVERAGE. ACCORDING TO A PEW STUDY, THE

 

MAJORITY OF NEWS REPORTS ON HIS FIRST 60 DAYS FOCUSED ON HIS

 

PERSONALITY RATHER THAN HIS POLICY.

 

TWO THIRDS OF THEM WERE NEGATIVE.

 

WHATEVER THE CASE HIS CONSTANT ATTACKS ON THE MEDIA HAVE

 

AFFECTED PUBLIC TRUST, PARTICULARLY SINCE HIS ELECTION.

 

THE DECLINE IN TRUST PARTICULARLY AMONG REPUBLICANS

 

HAS BEEN GOING BACK SINCE THE '70s.

 

AND, IN FACT, FOR DEMOCRATS YOU SEE A PRETTY STEEP JUMP RIGHT

 

AFTER 2016 WHERE DEMOCRATS IN THE UNITED STATES ARE SUDDENLY,

 

A LOT MORE SUPPORTIVE OF THE MEDIA THAN THEY HAD BEEN JUST

 

SINCE 2015. MICHAEL HENDERSON IS THE

 

DIRECTOR OF THE LSU PUBLIC POLICY RESEARCH LAB.

 

THE LAB'S STATEWIDE 2018 LOUISIANA SURVEY REVEALED THAT

 

RESIDENTS' TRUST IN LOCAL MEDIA IS HIGH, 78%, COMPARED TO ONLY

 

57% OF RESPONDENTS WHO FIND NATIONAL NEWS TRUSTWORTHY.

 

WHERE WE DID SEE SORT OF A CHINK IN THE ARMOR WHEN IT COMES

 

TO LOCAL MEDIA HAD TO DO WITH WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE THOUGHT

 

LOCAL MEDIA -- WHEN COVERING POLITICAL ISSUES IN THE STATE

 

TREATED ALL SIDES FAIRLY. OR TENDED TO FAVOR ONE SIDE.

 

AND WE FIND THAT 60% OF PEOPLE IN LOUISIANA SAY THAT, YOU KNOW,

 

THE MEDIA DOES TEND TO FAVOR A PARTICULAR SIDE.

 

WE LET OUR READERS DOWN IF WE'RE NOT FAIR AND BALANCED AND,

 

YOU KNOW, ALWAYS SAY YOU WANT HALF THE MARKET MAD AT YOU AT

 

ANY GIVEN TIME BECAUSE THAT MEANS YOU'RE DOING YOUR JOB.

 

[LAUGHS] JUDY IS PRESIDENT OF THE

 

ADVOCATE, LOUISIANA'S LARGEST DAILY NEWSPAPER.

 

SHE SAYS THEIR REPORTERS WORK DILIGENTLY TO INCLUDE DIVERSE

 

SOURCES AND NOT HAVE PERSONAL BELIEFS BLEED INTO THEIR

 

COVERAGE. THE PAPER HAS SEEN HISTORIC

 

GROWTH IN A STRUGGLING INDUSTRY. WE ARE ACTUALLY GROWING

 

CIRCULATION REVENUE WEEK OVER WEEK, YEAR-OVER-YEAR.

 

I MEAN, IT'S REALLY AN ANOMALY IN OUR BUSINESS.

 

ACCORDING TO THE PEW RESEARCH CENTER, TOTAL CIRCULATION FOR

 

U.S. DAILY NEWSPAPERS FELL 8% IN 2016.

 

THE 28th CONSECUTIVE YEAR OF DECLINES.

 

JOHN IS SENIOR STAFF WRITER OF THE TIMES.

 

HE SAYS DECLINING REVENUES CAN CONTRIBUTE TO MEDIA MISTRUST.

 

SMALLER NEWSROOMS, FEWER PEOPLE MAKES FOR MORE MISTAKES,

 

IT MAKES FOR MORE MISUNDERSTANDING.

 

YOU'VE GOT ONE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR SIX THINGS IN A

 

DAY WHO MIGHT HAVE BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR ONE OR TWO

 

THINGS IN A DAY. DESPITE THEIR ABILITY TO

 

OFFER IN-DEPTH COVERAGE, NEWSPAPERS RANK FOURTH AS

 

AMERICANS' NEWS SOURCE BEHIND TELEVISION, SOCIAL MEDIA, AND

 

RADIO. NO MATTER THE MEDIUM, GOOD

 

INVESTIGATIVE REPORTING CAN BE EXPENSIVE.

 

CREATING A STORY, GOING AND DOING ALL THE WORK TO FIND THE

 

FACTS IS A MORE IMPORTANT PART OF THE OVERALL COSTS OF NEWS.

 

AND THAT ALSO MEANS THAT SOURCES THAT SKIMP ON THAT HAVE A BIGGER

 

ADVANTAGE THAN THEY USED TO. SO I THINK NEW MEDIA IS

 

ACCELERATING THAT TREND. SOCIAL MEDIA IS MORE LIKELY

 

TO INCLUDE INTENTIONAL FAKE NEWS.

 

IN THE LAST THREE MONTHS OF THE PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN, 20 FALSE

 

ELECTION STORIES GENERATED OVER 8 MILLION SHARES, REACTIONS AND

 

COMMENTS ON FACEBOOK. I THINK SOCIAL MEDIA MAY BLUR

 

THE LINE BETWEEN FAKE AND REAL NEWS TO SOME EXTENT JUST BECAUSE

 

REAL NEWS CAN BE PRESENTED ALONGSIDE FAKE NEWS IN THE SAME

 

FEED, BUT I THINK THE JURY IS STILL OUT ON WHETHER THAT'S THE

 

CASE IN TERMS OF THE EFFECT ON THE AUDIENCE.

 

FACEBOOK WILL SOON BE CONDUCTING SURVEYS AMONG ITS

 

USERS TO RANK NEWS ORGANIZATIONS AND ASSIGN THEM TRUST SCORES.

 

THE ADVOCATE IS ALREADY USING REALTIME FEEDBACK FROM ITS

 

ONLINE VIEWERS TO DRIVE COVERAGE.

 

WE'RE WATCHING THE TRAFFIC ALL DAY LONG ON THOSE STORIES

 

AND THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH -- READERS ARE VOTING FOR WHAT WE

 

SHOULD COVER. YOU REALLY HAVE LIMITED

 

RESOURCES SO YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO YOUR AUDIENCE.

 

YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO WHAT THEY CARE ABOUT, AND THEN THAT WILL

 

DICTATE OUR COVERAGE. FACED WITH A VAST NUMBER OF

 

NEWS SOURCES, TODAY'S NEWS CONSUMER NEEDS TO BE MUCH MORE

 

DISCERNING. THAT STARTS WITH NOT JUST

 

IDENTIFYING WHAT IS FAKE NEWS, BUT WHAT NEWS MATTERS.

 

NEWS HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT WHAT'S NEW AND WHAT'S CHANGING

 

AND, YOU KNOW, IT IS SOMETIMES THE CASE THAT THAT MEANS

 

IMPORTANT ISSUES ARE NEGLECTED. IT'S NEVER BEEN CALLED

 

IMPORTANTS. IT'S BEEN CALLED NEWS.

 

FASTER NEWS CYCLES MAKE THAT DISTINCTION EVEN MORE IMPORTANT

 

FOR AUDIENCES TO PAY ATTENTION TO.

 

SO IT'S UP TO US TO -- AS NEWS CONSUMERS, TO CHOOSE THE OUTLETS

 

THAT GIVE US OUR VEGETABLES, THAT GIVE US THE IMPORTANT STUFF

 

WE NEED TO KNOW TO UNDERSTAND THE WORLD.

 

WELL, JOINING US TO DISCUSS THE NEWS MEDIA ARE SOME OF THOSE

 

NEWS CONSUMERS AS WELL AS PRODUCERS.

 

WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE LOUISIANA PRESS ASSOCIATION AND

 

RESIDENTS WITH A PARTICULAR INTEREST IN THIS TOPIC.

 

WE ALSO HAVE THREE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS FROM THE LEGISLATIVE

 

YOUTH ADVISORY COUNCIL. WELCOME EVERYONE.

 

THE PEW RESEARCH CENTER FOR JOURNALISM AND MEDIA HAS BEEN

 

CONDUCTING SURVEYS ON THE TRUST IN THE MEDIA FOR SEVERAL YEARS.

 

ITS 2017 FINDINGS ARE THAT AMERICANS HAVE ONLY MODERATE

 

TRUST IN MOST NEWS SOURCES. WHEN IT COMES TO NATIONAL NEWS

 

ORGANIZATIONS, 52% OF RESPONDENTS HAVE SOME TRUST IN

 

THE CONTENT, BUT JUST 20% GIVING A LOT OF TRUST TO WHAT THEY SEE

 

AND HEAR FROM NATIONAL NEWS OUTLETS.

 

LOCAL NEWS ORGANIZATIONS FARE SOMEWHAT BETTER.

 

60% OF CONSUMERS OF LOCAL NEWS TRUST THE CONTENT THEY RECEIVE.

 

25% TRUST IT A LOT. AND WHEN IT COMES TO THE

 

PERCEIVED FAIRNESS OF THE NEWS MEDIA A STRONG MAJORITY OF

 

AMERICANS, 72% CONTINUE TO SAY NEWS ORGANIZATIONS TEND TO FAVOR

 

ONE SIDE IN PRESENTING NEWS ON POLITICS AND SOCIAL ISSUES.

 

JUST 28% SAY THEY DEAL FAIRLY WITH ALL SIDES.

 

SO LET'S START THERE. WHERE DO YOU GET THE MAJORITY OF

 

YOUR NEWS AND DO YOU TRUST WHAT YOU'RE SEEING AND HEARING?

 

MY NAME IS RALENA, I'M WITH LIAC.

 

AND AS A FREQUENT SOCIAL MEDIA USER, I SEE ONLY SNIPPETS OF

 

ARTICLES IN MY FEED AND IT'S NOT UNTIL I MAKE A POINT TO READ THE

 

FULL NEWS ARTICLE I REALIZE I WAS LEFT WITH A FALSE

 

IMPRESSION. SO YOU GET MOST OF YOUR NEWS

 

FROM SOCIAL MEDIA? YES.

 

ANYBODY ELSE GET MOST OF THEIR NEWS FROM SOCIAL MEDIA?

 

OKAY. I THINK SO.

 

I AM A SPRING 2018 GRADUATE FROM SOUTHERN UNIVERSITY.

 

KIND OF EXPANDING ON WHAT SHE SHOULD, I THINK SOCIAL MEDIA IS

 

MY MAIN SOURCE OF NEWS, BUT IT'S MORE SO OF THE INSTANT FACTOR.

 

IF BREAKING NEWS OCCURS, YOU IMMEDIATELY GET THAT

 

NOTIFICATION ON YOUR PHONE, INSTANTLY AND SO I THINK THAT IS

 

AN ADVANTAGE AS OPPOSED TO WAITING UNTIL THE 5:00 NEWS OR

 

WAITING UNTIL YOU HEAR IT ON THE RADIO OR ANY OTHER NEWS SOURCE.

 

NOW, BOTH OF YOU SAY SOCIAL MEDIA YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT

 

TWITTER, FACEBOOK, WHEN ARE YOU GETTING IT?

 

INSTAGRAM AND TWITTER. I HAVE THE NEWS APP FOR MY

 

PHONE. GETTING IT ONLINE, NOT

 

NECESSARILY THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA.

 

YES, SIR. ANYBODY GETTING IT THROUGH A

 

TRADITIONAL SOURCE? I STILL READ THE SUNDAY

 

PAPER, BUT ON A WORK DAY WHEN I'M SITTING IN MY OFFICE, I HAVE

 

THREE MONITORS UP AND ONE OF MY MONITORS IS MY TWITTER FEED AT

 

ALL TIMES BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE PAYING ATTENTION TO LEGISLATION

 

LIKE I HAVE TO, YOU DON'T HAVE TIME TO GO TO THE ACTUAL WEBSITE

 

FOR THE ADVOCATE AND FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON.

 

YOU NEED TO SEE ELIZABETH CHRIS'S TWEETS ABOUT WHAT'S

 

GOING ON IN THE LEGISLATURE OR FROM THE STATE HOUSE.

 

I NEED TO KNOW AND THE BEST WAY TO FIND THAT OUT IS GENERALLY

 

THROUGH TWITTER. NOW, LEE, TELL US -- WHEN I

 

CALLED YOU WHO YOU'RE WITH, AS WELL.

 

I'M WITH GATEHOUSE MEDIA, PUBLISH SEVEN NEWSPAPERS AROUND

 

THE STATE OF LOUISIANA AND AS A PUBLISHER OF SEVEN NEWSPAPERS

 

YOU CAN GUESS I READ, LITERALLY, SEVEN NEWSPAPERS PLUS EVERY DAY.

 

BUT MY CONCERN IS IT'S THE NOTIFICATIONS THAT THEY

 

MENTIONED. I THINK THOSE NOTIFICATIONS KIND

 

OF DISTORT WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING IN THE NEWS.

 

THEY CREATE FALSE URGENCY AND, YOU KNOW, MAKE STORIES BIGGER

 

THAN THEY REALLY ARE. I HAVE ACTUALLY MADE AN EFFORT

 

TO GO TURN ALL OF THE NOTIFICATIONS FOR ALL NEWS SITES

 

OFF ON MY PHONE. I JUST THINK IT'S CREATING A

 

DISTORTION OF FALSE REALITY THAT WE DON'T REALLY LIVE IN.

 

DALE? I'M A VOLUNTEER FOR THE

 

CONVENTION STAGE PROJECT. WE WERE LAUGHING HERE EARLIER,

 

WE HAD TO TURN OFF OUR PHONES. WE DIDN'T KNOW -- I DIDN'T KNOW

 

HOW TO DO THAT, TURN OFF MY PHONE.

 

I GET A LOT OF NEWS IN THAT WAY. MAYBE THE CHANNEL 9 APP, MAYBE

 

THE ADVOCATE'S APP. IT MAY BE ANY OF THOSE NEWS

 

SOURCES, THEY HAVE SOME OF THOSE NEWS APPS ON THERE.

 

IT COMES FROM EVERYWHERE. I READ -- I READ THE ADVOCATE

 

AND I HAVE BEEN READING IT SINCE IT WAS THE MORNING ADVOCATE IN

 

THE STATE TIMES. BUT I'M SORT OF -- I'M A

 

CONSUMER, TOTALLY A CONSUMER. I JUST GET IT FROM ALL KINDS OF

 

SOURCES INCLUDING THINGS LIKE DRUDGE REPORT ONLINE, FOX NEWS,

 

CNN, ALL OF THAT. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT --

 

TELL US WHERE YOU'RE FROM. SORRY, EYE NAME IS ZOEY, I'M

 

A STUDENT AT THE SCHOOL OF MASS COMMUNICATION.

 

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THE NOTIFICATIONS IN THE

 

SOCIAL MEDIA NEWS BECAUSE NOT EVERYONE HAS THE TIME IN THEIR

 

DAY TO SIT DOWN AND READ THE NEWSPAPER ALL DAY AND GET THE

 

INFORMATION IN THAT BIG OF A BLOCK OF TIME.

 

A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BUSY LIVES, BUT STILL WANT TO BE UP TO DATE,

 

BUT I ALSO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT PEOPLE GET THE CONTEXT FOR

 

THE INFORMATION THAT THEY'RE READING, WHETHER IT BE BY

 

LISTENING TO PUBLIC RADIO OR READING NEWSLETTERS OR SNIPPETS

 

OF NEWS THAT GIVE MORE CONTEXT TO JUST THE HEADLINES.

 

SO EVERYBODY'S SAID SOMETHING ABOUT WHERE THEY GET THE NEWS

 

FROM, BUT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO REMIND YOU OF THE SECOND PART OF

 

THE QUESTION WHICH WAS DO YOU FIND IT BELIEVABLE, DO YOU FIND

 

IT CREDIBLE? DOES SOMEBODY WANT TO TALK ABOUT

 

THAT AS WELL? MARSHALL OR MADDIE?

 

I'M WITH LIAC. I GET MY NEWS FROM THE APPLE

 

NEWS APP THAT'S ON MY PHONE AND IT WILL FEATURE SEVERAL

 

DIFFERENT NATIONAL NEWS ORGANIZATIONS AND JUST FROM

 

CLICKING ON MAYBE ONE ARTICLE THAT I FIND WITH AN INTERESTING

 

TITLE, MY FIRST IMPRESSION ISN'T TO BELIEVE THE FIRST THING THAT

 

I SEE OR THE FIRST ARTICLE. I LIKE TO FACT CHECK EVERYTHING

 

THAT I READ WITH MAYBE THREE OR FOUR OTHER ARTICLES TO MAKE SURE

 

THAT WHAT I'M READING FROM ONE NEWS ORGANIZATION ISN'T EITHER

 

BIASED OR GIVING ME A FALSE INFORMATION.

 

VERY GOOD, VERY GOOD. MARSHALL?

 

I'M MARSHALL MILLS WITH THE LOUISIANA FAMILY FORUM.

 

AND I WOULD SAY MOST OFTEN I WATCH NEWS IN THE MORNING WHEN I

 

WAKE UP, OFF OF THE TELEVISION. OCCASIONALLY I LISTEN TO THE

 

RADIO AND I SAY THAT'S WHAT I TRUST MOST.

 

PERSONALLY, I BELIEVE TALK SHOW HOSTS, THEY HAVE A TENDENCY TO

 

BRING UP FACTS AND STATISTICS, ACTUALLY BRING UP REAL NEWS AND

 

REALLY IMPACT THAT, DISCUSS IT WITH VARIOUS PEOPLE AND MAKE

 

SURE IT'S REALLY THE MOST TRUE INFORMATION THAT IS AVAILABLE.

 

OKAY. ELIZABETH?

 

I'M ELIZABETH WEST WITH THE GAZETTE AND I DEFINITELY GET MY

 

NEWS FROM THE A LOT OF SOCIAL MEDIA OUTLETS AND IT'S IMPORTANT

 

FOR US, WORKING FOR A SMALLTOWN NEWSPAPER BECAUSE WE DO HAVE

 

SUCH A SMALL STAFF THAT SOMETIMES, WE JUST DON'T HEAR

 

ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON SO WHEN WE GET THOSE

 

NOTIFICATIONS ON OUR PHONES, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, CHECK INTO IT AND

 

IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS LOCAL, SOMETHING THAT OUR PEOPLE NEED

 

TO READ ABOUT AND WE'VE NOTIFIED ABOUT IT AS WELL AND WE CAN PUT

 

A STORY IN OUR NEWSPAPER FOR THEM.

 

VERY GOOD. I'M LIKE ELIZABETH.

 

YOU HAVE TO READ -- YOU HAVE TO WATCH TELEVISION, READ

 

NEWSPAPERS, READ WHAT'S COMING OVER SOCIAL MEDIA, BECAUSE AS A

 

LOCAL NEWSPAPER EDITOR, YOU HAVE TO FIND STUFF THAT IS LOCAL AND

 

A LOT OF TIMES WHEN YOU GO ON THESE WEBSITES, NOT ALL OF THE

 

NEWS IS REAL NEWS, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO START CHECKING ON IT AND

 

MAKING SURE WHAT'S RIGHT AND WHAT'S NOT.

 

TELL US WHO YOU ARE. I'M WITH LSU SCHOOL OF MASS

 

COMMUNICATION AND I MOSTLY GET MY NEWS THROUGH APPLICATIONS IN

 

MY PHONE OR I GO ONLINE. WHAT DO YOU READ ON YOUR

 

PHONE? WHAT NEWS ORGANIZATION?

 

ALL OF THE LOUISIANA NEWSPAPERS AND MOSTLY READ THE

 

ADVOCATE AND THE NEW ORLEANS TIMES PICAYUNE AND I REALLY

 

TRUST THESE MEDIAS BECAUSE I'VE BEEN PART OF THE NEWS BUREAU AND

 

I'VE SEEN THE WORK OF THE JOURNALISTS, I SEE HOW THEY'RE

 

COVERING THE COMMUNITIES AND I'VE SEEN THE PROCESS AND HOW

 

THEY'RE ACTUALLY MAKING THE NEWS SO I DEVELOPED A TRUST IN

 

JOURNALISM THIS WAY SO I CAN SAY THAT EVERYTHING THAT I READ FROM

 

LOCAL NEWSPAPERS IS SOMETHING THAT I DO HAVE TO FACT CHECK, OF

 

COURSE, WITH OTHER LOUISIANA PUBLICATIONS, BUT I CAN SAY THAT

 

I HAVE A GOOD AMOUNT OF TRUST IN LOCAL JOURNALISM.

 

GREAT. RICHARD?

 

RICHARD FLICKER, I'M A PSYCHOLOGIST AND I'M A FACULTY

 

AT SOUTHERN UNIVERSITY. I GET MY SOURCES FROM

 

EVERYWHERE, NEWSPAPERS, TELEVISION, LOCAL AND NATIONAL

 

NEWS AND SOCIAL MEDIA. I TRUST THE NATIONAL AND LOCAL

 

NEWS AND THE NEWSPAPERS FAR MORE THAN I TRUST SOCIAL MEDIA.

 

DO THEY MAKE MISTAKES? ARE THERE INACCURACIES IN THE

 

LEGITIMATE NEWS SOURCES? ABSOLUTELY, HAVING RUN FOR

 

POLITICAL OFFICE AND BEEN MISQUOTED DRASTICALLY, I KNOW

 

THERE ARE ERRORS. BUT I TRUST THE NEWS, THE

 

LEGITIMATE NEWS SOURCES. I KNOW HOW TO DISTINGUISH

 

BETWEEN A JOURNALIST AND A COMMENTATOR WHERE MOST OF THE

 

COMMENTATORS ARE THERE TO AGITATE AND STIR UP THE AUDIENCE

 

AND JOURNALISTS HOPEFULLY ARE TRYING TO REPORT ACCURATE NEWS

 

SO I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT ALL SOURCES.

 

IF YOU'RE ONLY GETTING IT FROM SOCIAL MEDIA, TALK RADIO OR ANY

 

ONE SOURCE I THINK YOU'RE MAKING A HUGE MISTAKE.

 

A BALANCED DIET, RIGHT? EXACTLY.

 

HAS ANYONE ENCOUNTERED WHAT THEY WOULD CONSIDER FAKE NEWS OR

 

BEEN TAKEN IN BY FAKE NEWS IN SOME WAY?

 

IS THAT SOMETHING -- YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEAD DALE?

 

ESPECIALLY ON FACEBOOK. YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH WHAT

 

YOU SEE. I'VE CLICKED ON A FEW THINGS AND

 

A FRIEND WILL CLICK BACK AND SAY CHECK THIS OUT, THIS IS NOT

 

RIGHT AND I'VE DONE THE SAME THING WITH SOME OF MY FRIENDS.

 

IT DOES HAPPEN. I GET MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE

 

BIASED NEWS THAN THE FAKE NEWS. IT'S NOT USUALLY THE FACTS IT'S

 

HOW YOU PACKAGE IT AND WHAT AGENDA ARE YOU TRYING TO PORTRAY

 

WHEN YOU WRITE THE NEWS? THAT'S WHAT I'M MORE CONCERNED

 

ABOUT SOMEONE SOMETHING THAT'S FLAT WRONG.

 

YOU CAN CHECK THAT STUFF. I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE

 

ECHO CHAMBER THAT THESE NEWS AGGREGATORS AND FACEBOOK CREATE

 

BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE READING AND THEY FEED YOU

 

MORE OF THAT AND YOU END UP READING ONE SIDE, ONE DIRECTION

 

AND THE REST OF IT OUTSIDE, IT GETS -- IT GETS PUSHED OUT.

 

A GREAT EXAMPLE IS MYSELF. I READ A COUPLE OF ARTICLES ON A

 

NEWS AGGREGATION APP THAT I USE ABOUT THE ROYAL WEDDING AND

 

SUDDENLY, I'M GETTING BOMBARDED ABOUT STORIES ABOUT THE ROYAL

 

WEDDING. I REALLY WASN'T THAT INTERESTED,

 

BUT THE LOGARITHM DECIDED I WAS AND IT FED ME ALL DAY.

 

YOUR ADVICE WOULD BE GET OFF THOSE AGGREGATORS, GET OFF

 

SOCIAL MEDIA. GO TO THE PICAYUNE APP.

 

ABSOLUTELY. ANYBODY ELSE ENCOUNTER FAKE

 

NEWS? MATT?

 

MATT BAILEY, I LIVE IN NEW ORLEANS, I'M A NATIVE OF GINA,

 

LOUISIANA. JUST FOLLOWING UP, YOU KNOW,

 

WITH THE APPS THAT GIVE YOU MORE OF WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY SHOWN AN

 

INTEREST IN, AND THINKING ABOUT LOCAL NEWS AND LOOKING AT THOSE

 

STATS THAT HALF OF PEOPLE GET THEIR NEWS FROM TELEVISION AND

 

WE WATCH TELEVISION ORIGINS AND IT SEEMS THAT IN TERMS OF

 

KEEPING PEOPLE'S ATTENTION, THE TELEVISION NEWS NEEDS TO KEEP

 

YOUR ATTENTION AND IT SEEMS LIKE HOW THEY'VE LEARNED TO DO THAT

 

IS MY SHOWING ALL THE SHOOTINGS THAT HAPPENED, ALL THE MAJOR CAR

 

WRECKS, ANYTHING THAT HAS A NICE VISUAL IS WHAT YOU SEE, AND THEN

 

THEY MAY GIVE ONLY A FEW MINUTES TO IMPORTANT BUSINESS HAPPENING

 

AT THE CAPITOL. YEAH, YEAH.

 

THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL THE TIME WE HAVE FOR

 

THIS PORTION OF OUR SHOW. WHEN WE RETURN WE'LL BE JOINED

 

BY A PANEL OF EXPERTS TO FURTHER DISCUSS NEWS ABOUT THE NEWS.

 

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WELCOME BACK TO "LOUISIANA PUBLIC SQUARE."

 

TONIGHT, WE'RE DISCUSSING THE NEWS MEDIA AND JOINING US NOW IS

 

OUR PANEL OF EXPERTS. SHE CAME TO THE SCHOOL OF MASS

 

COMMUNICATION IN 2015 AFTER NEARLY 40 YEARS AS A REPORTER

 

AND EDITOR FIRST FOR THE WALL STREET JOURNAL AND LATER FOR THE

 

NEW YORK TIMES. HE TEACHES A SPECIAL CLASS ON

 

MEDIA MANIPULATION AND FAKE NEWS.

 

HE HAS WORKED WITH THE TIMES PICAYUNE NEWSPAPER IN NEW

 

ORLEANS SINCE 1987, FIRST AS A REPORTER, AND NOW AS AN

 

EDITORIAL WRITER AND COLUMNIST FOR NOLA.COM.

 

HE WAS AWARDED A PULITZER PRIZE FOR COVERAGE OF HURRICANE

 

KATRINA. PETER HAS BEEN A NEWSPAPER

 

EDITOR IN LOUISIANA FOR MORE THAN THREE DECADES.

 

HE JOINED THE ADVOCATE IN 2013 AND HELPED EXPAND ITS REACH IN

 

LOUISIANA BY LAUNCHING SEPARATE NEWSPAPERS, SERVING NEW ORLEANS

 

AND ACADIANA AS WELL AS MORE THAN A DOZEN WEEKLY TITLES AND

 

AN LSU PROFESSOR AND THE DIRECTOR OF THE SOCIAL MEDIA

 

ANALYSIS AND CREATION LAB. PORTER HAS FOCUSED ON DIGITAL

 

MEDIA SINCE 1995 WHEN HE BUILT HIS FIRST COMMERCIAL WEBSITE.

 

HIS RESEARCH FOCUSESSEN EMERGING MEDIA AND POWER.

 

SO BEFORE WE GO TO OUR AUDIENCE QUESTIONS, IF EACH OF OUR

 

PANELISTS WOULD TELL US FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE SHOULD THE

 

PUBLIC TRUST THE NEWS MEDIA? I WOULD SAY GENERALLY, YES.

 

THEY SHOULD TRUST THE NEWS MEDIA, BUT IT REALLY DEPENDS ON

 

THE DETAILS. WHAT NEWS MEDIA?

 

I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF CABLE TV. I'M AFRAID THAT CABLE TV IS THE

 

ROOT OF A LOT OF OUR PROBLEMS TODAY.

 

I'M NOT A FAN OF SOCIAL MEDIA, WHICH I THINK IS AS A NEWS MEDIA

 

SOURCE IS ALSO A DEFICIENT SOURCE OF INFORMATION.

 

I THINK BOTH CAN DO GOOD WORK AND CAN DO -- AND PROVIDE GOOD

 

SERVICES, BUT IN TERMS OF TRUSTWORTHY FACTUAL NEWS

 

INFORMATION AND CONTEXT, THEY COME UP SHORT.

 

I THINK GENERALLY YOU SHOULD TRUST THE PROCESS.

 

YOU SHOULD TRUST THOSE REPORTERS WHO HAVE EDITORS TO REPORT TO.

 

YOU SHOULD TRUST THOSE PUBLICATIONS THAT ARE HONEST

 

ABOUT THE ERRORS THEY'VE MADE. YOU SHOULD TRUST THOSE SOURCES

 

THAT ACTUALLY ARE OPEN ABOUT WHO THEIR SOURCES ARE AND I THINK

 

WHEN YOU PUT ALL OF THOSE THINGS TOGETHER THEN YOU TEND TO HAVE A

 

MORE TRUSTWORTHY PRODUCT THAN SOURCES THAT ARE MYSTERIOUS,

 

THAT YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GETTING THE INFORMATION

 

FROM. YOU CAN'T EVER EXPECT THEM TO

 

ACKNOWLEDGE ANYTHING THEY'VE DONE WRONG.

 

SO I THINK WHAT YOU OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO TRUST IS THE PROCESS.

 

OKAY, I AM QUOTING THIS PERSON ACCURATELY.

 

IF I MISREPRESENT THEM, I CORRECT IT.

 

I AM TELLING YOU WHO MY SOURCES WERE.

 

I HAVE EDITORS WHO ARE GOING TO CHECK ME.

 

I HAVE COPY EDITORS WHO ARE GOING TO MAKE SURE MY THINGS ARE

 

CORRECT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU OUGHT TO

 

TRUST. I THINK THE PUBLIC HAS A

 

BETTER APPRECIATION THAN PEOPLE REALIZE THAT THE ACCURACY OF

 

MEDIA IS TIERED AND THAT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT OUGHT TO BE

 

MORE TRUSTWORTHY THAN OTHERS. AND OUR AIM AT THE ADVOCATE IS

 

TO BE AT THE TOP OF THAT PYRAMID AND WE HAVE EXPERIENCES THAT

 

TELL US THAT PEOPLE SEE US THAT WAY.

 

YOU KNOW, PEOPLE CALL UP, THEY SEND US A NOTE OR MY COUSIN SAW

 

ON THE INTERNET THAT MARTIANS LANDED ON THE HEWIE LONG BRIDGE

 

AND I WANT TO KNOW IF THAT'S TRUE AND IT'S ANNOYING TO TAKE

 

THOSE INQUIRIES, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S REASSURING BECAUSE IT

 

TELLS ME THAT PEOPLE HAVE TRUST IN THE ADVOCATE AND THAT THEY

 

RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE OTHER FORMS OF MEDIA THAT MIGHT OR

 

MIGHT NOT BE RELIABLE AND THEY WANT A HIGHER LEVEL MEDIA, A

 

MORE ACCURATE, RESPONSIBLE, ESTABLISHED MEDIA TO TELL THEM

 

WHETHER SOMETHING IS OR ISN'T TRUE AT CRITICAL MOMENTS AND

 

WHAT COULD BE MORE CRITICAL THAN HAVING MARTIANS ON THE HEWIE

 

LONG BRIDGE? DR. PORTER.

 

SO CERTAINLY YOU SHOULD TRUST CERTAIN TYPES OF MEDIA, BUT I

 

THINK WE HAVE TO REALIZE THAT IN TODAY'S NEWS MEDIA ENVIRONMENT,

 

MOST OF OUR NEWS IS BEING ACCESSED THROUGH NEWSFEEDS AND

 

MOST OF THOSE NEWSFEEDS ARE CURATED BY ALGORITHMS AND WHAT

 

WE KNOW FROM PAST RESEARCH IS THAT PEOPLE TEND TO CLICK ON

 

NEGATIVE STUFF. AND THROUGH A NEWS FEED ON A

 

SOCIAL MEDIA, YOU ARE GETTING SORT OF A BIASED VIEW OF THE

 

NEWS AND MORE OF A NEGATIVE VIEW THAN HOW THINGS REALLY ARE.

 

OKAY THANK YOU FOR THAT. WE'RE GOING TO GO TO OUR STUDIO

 

AUDIENCE NOW FOR QUESTIONS TO THE PANELISTS AND WE'RE GOING TO

 

START FIRST WITH MADELEINE WHO DID NOT GET A QUESTION IN THE

 

FIRST PART OF OUR SHOW, BUT IF YOU'LL TELL US YOUR FULL NAME

 

AND YOUR AFFILIATION, PLEASE. I'M MADELEINE WITH LIAC.

 

SO I THINK BEFORE WE CAN REALLY FIND A SOLUTION TO A PROBLEM WE

 

SHOULD UNDERSTAND WHERE IT'S STEMMING FROM AND THE ROOT CAUSE

 

OF IT. SO DO YOU BELIEVE THAT IT'S

 

CORPORATIONS WHO ARE PERPETUATING A SYSTEM IN WHICH

 

JUSTINS -- JOURNALISTS ARE EXPECTED TO LIE TO FIT A

 

NARRATIVE OR IS IT THOSE JOURNALISTS THAT ARE CAUSING IT

 

THEMSELVES AND HOW DO WE HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE?

 

WHAT'S DANGEROUS IS SYSTEMS IN WHICH PEOPLE ARE REWARDED

 

FINANCIALLY FOR THE AMOUNT OF MEDIA, THE AMOUNT OF DIGITAL

 

TRAFFIC THEY GET. I MEAN, TO ME THAT'S A SYSTEM

 

FOR COMPROMISING WHAT JOURNALISTS ARE SUPPOSED TO DO

 

AND, YOU KNOW, THE TRUTH IS IF YOU -- IF YOU OPERATED A NEWS

 

SITE AND YOU WANTED TO GET MORE TRAFFIC, YOU WOULD GET MORE

 

TRAFFIC BY OPERATING A PORN SITE SO IF PEOPLE WERE INCENTIVIZED

 

TO BEHAVE THAT WAY, EVENTUALLY EVERYTHING WOULD BECOME A PORN

 

SITE. SO I THINK IT'S A DANGEROUS -- I

 

THINK IT'S A DANGEROUS THING TO REWARD PEOPLE THAT WAY.

 

AND ALSO AS A BUSINESS MODEL, IT HASN'T HISTORICALLY WORKED

 

BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF AD REVENUE THAT YOU GET FOR THOSE CLICKS --

 

DIGITAL AD RATES ARE VERY LOW SO YOU MAY GET A LOT OF TRAFFIC,

 

BUT YOU DON'T REALLY MAKE A LOT OF MONEY.

 

ANYBODY ELSE? I THINK I HEAR YOU ASKING ARE

 

PEOPLE BEING ENCOURAGED TO BE FALSE AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S

 

THE CASE. I THINK AS PETER SAID THAT THERE

 

IS A PERVERSE MOTIVATION THAT CAN BE BUILT INTO A SYSTEM WHERE

 

YOU WANT THE MOST ATTENTION AND IT'S NOT -- IT'S NOT EXCLUSIVE

 

TO THE NUMBER OF CLICKS YOU COULD GET.

 

IT COULD COME FROM THE DESIRE TO BE FIRST.

 

IT COULD COME FROM A DESIRE -- I HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT MY STORY

 

IS OUT THERE BEFORE MY COMPETITOR'S STORY.

 

THAT COULD PRODUCE SLOPPINESS. THAT COULD PRODUCE CARELESSNESS.

 

I DO THINK THERE ARE THINGS IN THE BUSINESS MODEL WHETHER IT'S

 

INTERNET OR MORE TRADITIONAL MEDIA THAT RESPONSIBLE

 

JOURNALISTS HAVE TO UNDERSTAND AND RECOGNIZE OKAY THIS IS A

 

WEAK SPOT. THIS IS A VULNERABILITY AND I

 

HAVE TO BE CAREFUL NOT TO SUCCUMB TO IT, BUT WITH THE

 

EXCEPTION OF PEOPLE WHO ARE DELIBERATELY SETTING OUT TO BE

 

FALSE AND TO BE FRAUDULENT, I DON'T THINK THAT ANYBODY IN ANY

 

OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH COULD REPORT

 

OF ANYBODY WHO WAS DELIBERATELY TRYING TO PUT STUFF OUT TO THE

 

PUBLIC THAT THEY KNEW TO BE FALSE.

 

I WOULD SAY THAT I DON'T SEE THAT IN THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA

 

PER SE, ALTHOUGH I DO SEE SOME OF IT IN CABLE.

 

I THINK CABLE DOES ENCOURAGE A TILTING AGAINST A PARTICULAR

 

POINT OF VIEW OR ADVOCATING A PARTICULAR POINT OF VIEW.

 

AND I THINK IT PLAYS OUT ON THEIR WEBSITES, AS WELL.

 

I DO THINK WE SHOULD ACKNOWLEDGE AS JARVIS ALLUDED TO, THERE ARE

 

PEOPLE WHO PUBLISH FAKE NEWS, GENERATE FAKE NEWS, WRITE FAKE

 

NEWS, DREAM UP FAKE NEWS FOR PROFIT.

 

AND THEY'RE ALL OVER THE WORLD. THERE IS FOR-PROFIT FAKERY OUT

 

THERE AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THE SOCIAL PLATFORMS

 

AND SOMETIMES CABLE'S SPIN I THINK CONTRIBUTE TO THIS LACK OF

 

TRUST IN THE MEDIA. I WOULD SAY FOR YEARS, SOCIAL

 

MEDIA PLATFORMS WERE DESIGNED TO FEED YOU MORE OF WHAT YOU'RE

 

INTERACTING WITH, WITH NO REGARD TO WHETHER IT'S TRUE OR NOT.

 

SO THOSE CORPORATIONS CERTAINLY HAVE A FAULT IN THE SYSTEM THAT

 

WE HAVE NOW AND THEY'RE TRYING TO FIX THAT AT THIS POINT.

 

I WANT TO BRING YOU IN. YOU DID NOT ASK A QUESTION

 

EARLIER, BUT IF YOU'LL TELL US YOUR NAME.

 

I'M DREW WHITE. I'M WITH THE LSU STATE HOUSE

 

BUREAU AT THE CAPITOL. WE WORK AS A WIRE SERVICE TO ALL

 

THE LOCAL PAPERS IN LOUISIANA. THEY DON'T HAVE PEOPLE THAT CAN

 

GO UP AND REPORT AT THE CAPITOL SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS WRITE

 

STORIES AND SEND THEM OUT TO THE LOCAL PAPERS IN THE STATE.

 

SO WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION FOR THE PANELISTS?

 

MY QUESTION WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, IN THE AGE OF THE TRUMP

 

PRESIDENCY, HOW HAS TRUMP DIFFERED FROM FORMER POLITICIANS

 

LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, EARLY LONG WHEN IT COMES TO ATTACKING THE

 

PRESS? LIKE I KNOW HEWIE AND EARL

 

ATTACKED THE TIMES PICAYUNE WAY BACK IN THE DAY.

 

I HE TEAMED TO BE A PRETTY VOCAL CRITIC OF THE TIMES PICAYUNE

 

THEN, BUT JUST HOW HAVE THINGS CHANGED AND HOW IS TRUMP

 

DIFFERENT? I'M GLAD YOU ASKED THAT

 

QUESTION BECAUSE IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

 

I WOULD SAY THERE'S -- THERE'S A LOT OF ALARM ABOUT WHAT TRUMP IS

 

DOING AND HE'S CERTAINLY EFFECTIVELY USING NEW TECHNIQUES

 

TO DO IT, BUT I DON'T SEE IT AS FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT FROM

 

WHAT RICHARD NIXON DID WHEN I WAS YOUNG AND NOT FUNDAMENTALLY

 

DIFFERENT FROM WHAT, YOU KNOW -- FROM WHAT THE LONGS DID AND, YOU

 

KNOW -- AND THE TRUTH IS THAT EVENTUALLY, RICHARD NIXON -- IN

 

A WAY THE MEDIA BEAT RICHARD NIXON AND IN A WAY RICHARD NIXON

 

EXPLODED HIMSELF BY -- DINT OF HIS CONTEMPT FOR THAT.

 

I'M LESS WORRIED THAN PEOPLE GENERALLY ARE IN THE MEDIA ABOUT

 

WHAT DONALD TRUMP IS DOING. I WOULD TAKE A SLIGHTLY

 

DIFFERENT TACK. I THINK ALL OF THIS THAT YOU'RE

 

TALKING ABOUT, WHETHER IT'S THE LONGS, TRUMP OR NIXON TO A

 

LESSER DEGREE, IT'S A -- IT'S A WAVE OF POPULISM AND WE'VE HAD

 

THIS IN THE COUNTRY A LOT. THERE ARE -- YOU CAN ARGUE THAT

 

BERNIE SANDERS HIMSELF WAS A DIFFERENT FORM OF POPULISM.

 

AND IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN INTERESTING OR ADVANTAGEOUS TO

 

TILT AGAINST ESTABLISHMENT FOLKS AND ESTABLISHMENT INSTITUTIONS

 

LIKE THE MEDIA. I THINK WHAT IS DANGEROUS WITH

 

TRUMP IS THAT HE HAS TAKEN ON A LEVEL OF CRITICISM ABOUT FIRST

 

AMENDMENT FREEDOMS, ABOUT PRESS FREEDOMS, ABOUT THE RIGHT FOR

 

REPORTERS TO ASK QUESTIONS, AND THAT -- AND THAT KIND OF

 

ANTAGONISM OR OPPOSITION TO THE PRESS, THE AIDES REFER TO THE

 

PRESS AS THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE, IS VERY DANGEROUS.

 

AND JUST TODAY AT AN EPA EVENT WITH SCOTT PRUITT, THE

 

A.P. AND CNN WERE BARRED ENTRY. THAT IS MORE PROBLEMATIC I THINK

 

THAN ANY FAKE NEWS PROCLAMATION COMING FROM THE PRESIDENT, WHEN

 

YOU HAVE REPORTERS TRYING TO DO THEIR JOB, TRYING TO GET

 

INFORMATION TO THE PEOPLE, AND THERE ARE ARMED SECURITY SAYING

 

THAT THEY CANNOT COME TO HEAR WHAT A CABINET OFFICIAL HAS TO

 

SAY. SO I ALSO THINK TRUMP IS

 

UNIQUE IN HOW HE HAS USED SOCIAL MEDIA.

 

IT'S DIFFERENT THAN ANY PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE THAT

 

WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST. HE'S THE FIRST CANDIDATE TO USE

 

IT AS AN ATTACK MECHANISM AND SO THAT REALLY PLAYS INTO HOW

 

SOCIAL MEDIA WORKS AND THE FACT THAT NEGATIVE INFORMATION IS

 

PRIORITIZED. SO IT'S AN EFFECTIVE THING THAT

 

HE'S BEEN DOING WITH IT. DALE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ASK A

 

QUESTION? YES, I CAN FOLLOW-UP ON WHAT

 

Y'ALL ARE JUST TALKING ABOUT. DON'T YOU THINK THE FAKE NEWS

 

MONIKER THAT TRUMP HAS PUT ON IT WOULDN'T HAVE ANY TRACTION

 

UNLESS THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE

 

HIM? THAT DO THINK THERE IS FAKE

 

NEWS? FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THE

 

THINGS -- ONE OF THE GUYS FROM LSU IN THE CLIP BEFORE THE SHOW

 

HERE TODAY SAID THAT SINCE THE 1970s AND 1980s, REPUBLICANS

 

ON THE CONSERVATIVE SIDE HAVE GROWN LESS AND LESS ENCOURAGED

 

BY WHAT THEY SEE IN THE PRESS AND WE SEE THE RISE OF THINGS

 

LIKE DRUDGE REPORT AND RUSH LIMBAUGH.

 

DOESN'T THAT SUGGEST THAT THE ESTABLISHMENT, THE NORMAL MEDIA

 

IS LOSING SOME CREDIBILITY WITH AMERICANS?

 

I THINK THE BEST WAY TO ANSWER THAT WOULD BE TO

 

REFERENCE A BOOK BY JOSHUA COOPER RAMO CALLED THE SEVENTH

 

SENSE. AND HE MAKES AN ARGUMENT THAT

 

ALL OF OUR INSTITUTIONS ARE LOSING CREDIBILITY, WHETHER IT'S

 

CONGRESS, WHETHER IT'S THE MEDIA, YOU NAME AN INSTITUTION

 

THAT HAS HAD A LONG REPUTATION OR HALLOWED REPUTATION IN THE

 

UNITED STATES AND IT'S LOSING CREDIBILITY.

 

PART OF THAT IS OUR CONNECTEDNESS, WHERE EVERYBODY

 

IS AN EXPERT IN SOMETHING AND YOU CAN PRESENT YOURSELF AS AN

 

EXPERT ON SOCIAL MEDIA. I MEAN, I THINK TRUMP IS

 

EXPLOITING PEOPLE'S GULLIBILITY, AND I THINK HE'S EXPLOITING

 

PEOPLE'S WILLINGNESS TO BELIEVE ANYTHING COMING FROM THEIR SIDE.

 

YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT MAKES SENSE OR NOT.

 

IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT STANDS UP TO REASON OR NOT.

 

MY GUY IS SAYING IT OR MY PERSON IS SAYING IT, THEREFORE I'M

 

GOING TO MAKE IT MAKE SENSE AND I'M GOING TO MAKE IT BE TRUE.

 

I DON'T THINK THAT THAT IS A CONSEQUENCE OF ANY MEDIA

 

FAILING. I THINK IT'S A CONSEQUENCE OF

 

JUST AN INCREASED PARTISANSHIP THAT HE'S JUST TAKING ADVANTAGE

 

OF. ONE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT

 

THE MEDIA WAS WHEN I WAS YOUNG AND WHAT THE MEDIA IS NOW IS

 

ROOTED IN TECHNOLOGY AND WHEN I WAS YOUNG, THERE WERE A

 

RELATIVELY SMALL NUMBER OF MEDIA COMPANIES.

 

THEY TO SOME DEGREE OPERATED AS MONOPOLIES.

 

THE WALTER CRONKITE WAS THE NEWSCASTER ON CBS WAS CALMED THE

 

MOST TRUSTED MAN IN AMERICA. I DON'T THINK AMERICANS COULD

 

EVEN AGREE ON WHO THE MOST TRUSTED MAN IN AMERICA WAS

 

TODAY, BUT THESE WERE BIG COMPANIES.

 

THEY HAD VERY LITTLE COMPETITION.

 

THEY WERE VERY PROFITABLE. THEY WERE VERY RESPONSIBLE AND

 

VERY PROFESSIONAL. THEY PAID WELL.

 

THEY COULD AFFORD TO BE ALL THOSE THINGS.

 

AND THAT WAS WHAT THE MEDIA WAS. NOW, THE MEDIA IS ANYBODY WHO

 

KNOWS HOW TO MAKE A WEBSITE, YOU KNOW.

 

ANYBODY WHO CALLS A TALK RADIO SHOW.

 

IN A WAY THE PRESIDENT IS THE MEDIA.

 

HE HAS A FOLLOWING ON A MEDIA OUTLET, TWITTER, AND HE'S LIKE A

 

MOUNTAIN GENERATING ITS OWN WEATHER WITH THE WAY HE CREATES

 

NEWS. AND SO YOU KNOW, FROM MY POINT

 

OF VIEW AND I WAS LOOKING AT IT THROUGH THE LENS OF AN

 

ESTABLISHED MEDIA COMPANY IN OUR STATE, THE BIGGEST NEWSPAPER IN

 

OUR STATE, I THINK THAT A LOT OF THESE STATISTICS ABOUT LOSS OF

 

PUBLIC CONFIDENCE IN THE MEDIA, YOU KNOW, ARE ABOUT NEW FORMS OF

 

MEDIA THAT DIDN'T EXIST AND NOT SO MUCH ABOUT THE FORMS OF MEDIA

 

THAT HAVE EXISTED IN THIS COUNTRY, YOU KNOW, FOR HALF A

 

CENTURY OR A CENTURY. AND SO I THINK THE POLLING THAT

 

YOU SEE, YOU KNOW, SORT OF REFLECTS THAT.

 

YOU HAVE NEW OUTLETS THAT DIDN'T EXIST WHEN I WAS YOUNG AND WHOSE

 

BUSINESS MODEL IS NOT ROOTED IN THE IDEA OF, YOU KNOW,

 

RESPONSIBLE CONSENSUS NEWS. IT'S ROOTED IN THE IDEA OF

 

SENSATIONALISM OR HATE MONGERING.

 

IF YOU WATCH -- YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT CABLE NEWS.

 

IF YOU WATCH CABLE NEWS AT NIGHT, WHICH I, BY THE WAY,

 

DON'T DO, I WATCH BASEBALL, YOU WOULD THINK THAT THERE WAS A

 

CRISIS IN AMERICA EVERY MINUTE AND THERE ISN'T A CRISIS IN

 

AMERICA EVERY MINUTE. YOU KNOW, AMERICA HAS ITS

 

PROBLEMS, BUT IT'S A STRONG, SECURE COUNTRY.

 

IT'S A PLACE WHERE HALF THE PEOPLE IN THE WORLD WOULD MOVE

 

TO IN A HEARTBEAT IF THEY COULD. BUT THAT DOESN'T SELL.

 

WHAT SELLS IS MAKING EVERYTHING INTO A CRISIS.

 

WHAT ADVICE WOULD YOU GIVE TO ASPIRING JOURNALISTS AND YOUNG

 

PROFESSIONALS WHO ARE LOOKING TO ENTER THE MEDIA?

 

MY ADVICE HASN'T MUCH CHANGED.

 

EVEN THOUGH THE TECHNOLOGY HAS CHANGED, PETER'S RIGHT, EVEN

 

THOUGH THE ENVIRONMENT HAS CHANGED, PETER'S RIGHT.

 

EVEN THOUGH THE COMPETITION HAS CHANGED.

 

MY ADVICE STILL TO PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BE JOURNALISTS IS TO

 

WRITE. REPORT AND WRITE AND REPORT AND

 

WRITE AND GO TO A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN REPORT AND WRITE AND GET

 

GOOD SUPERVISION. THE BEST THINGS IN THE -- IN THE

 

TRADITIONAL MODEL, EVEN THOUGH IT'S BEEN EXPLODED A BIT, IS YOU

 

GO TO A PLACE -- I WOULD SAY JOURNALISM EDUCATION IS THE WAY

 

WE TEACH IT, BUT IT'S ALSO AN APPRENTICE MODEL MEANING YOU GO

 

TO A SMALL PAPER AND THERE'S PLENTY OF THEM IN THE STATE,

 

SMALLER BY THE DAY, BUT YOU GO -- THERE'S PLENTY OF

 

NEWSROOMS TO GO TO, TO COVER THE TOWN AND COVER A COMMUNITY

 

MEETING AND COVER AN OFFICIAL MEETING AND THAT KIND OF THING

 

AND LEARN HOW TO ASSEMBLE FACTS, HOW TO TELL A NARRATIVE, BUILD A

 

NARRATIVE, HOW TO TELL A STORY AND LOOK AT ALL SIDES OF AN

 

ISSUE, AND THEN FROM THERE, BUILD FORWARD WITH FEATURES AND

 

ENTERPRISE. I STILL THINK THAT THAT'S --

 

THAT'S THE WAY TO GO. IT'S REALLY HARD NOW BECAUSE

 

THERE ARE FEWER AND FEWER JOBS AND MORE AND MORE OF THESE

 

PLACES ARE NO LONGER TEACHING HOSPITALS THE WAY IT WAS WHEN I

 

GOT OUT OF SCHOOL. WELL, PRACTICED JOURNALISM IS

 

SELF-CORRECTING AND THERE'S NO EXPERIENCE MORE FRIGHTENING WHEN

 

YOU'RE YOUNG THAN, YOU KNOW, WRITING A STORY ABOUT THE

 

PRESIDENT OF THE POLICE JURY THAT'S NOT FLATTERING AND HAVING

 

TO GO SEE THE GUY TOMORROW AND ASK QUESTIONS FOR ANOTHER STORY.

 

AND THAT'S -- THAT'S A PROCESS THAT'S SELF-CORRECTING.

 

AND IT FORCES YOU TO LEARN TO BE FAIR AND RESPONSIBLE AND IF

 

YOU'RE IN A SMALL COMMUNITY, WHERE EVERYBODY KNOWS EVERYBODY,

 

PEOPLE LOOK AT YOUR WORK AND THE PEOPLE WHO LIKE THE PRESIDENT OF

 

THE POLICE JURY LOOK AT YOUR WORK AND THE PEOPLE WHO THINK

 

HE'S A CROOK LOOK AT YOUR WORK AND THEY ALL OFFER YOU

 

CRITICISMS ABOUT WHAT YOU SHOULD HAVE PUT IN THERE OR WHAT YOU

 

SHOULD HAVE SAID OR WHAT YOU SHOULD HAVE ASKED, AND I THINK

 

THE GREATEST LEARNING LABORATORY IS, YOU KNOW, LEARNING FROM, YOU

 

KNOW, WHEN YOU WRITE SOMETHING OR WHEN YOU PUT SOMETHING ON

 

TELEVISION, YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY TAKING A POSITION ON WHAT YOU'VE

 

DECIDED IS THE TRUTH, AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S IN SOME WAYS LIKE

 

WRITING A PAPER IN COLLEGE, AND THEN YOUR POSITION GETS ATTACKED

 

FROM DIFFERENT PEOPLE WHO SAW IT DIFFERENTLY AND YOU LEARN FROM

 

THAT. AND THAT'S STILL A GREAT

 

EXPERIENCE. SO YOU KNOW, BELIEVE IN YOURSELF

 

AND DO THAT. I'LL GO TO A MORE GRANULAR

 

LEVEL. KNOW HOW TO SPELL.

 

[LAUGHTER] KNOW HOW TO PUNCTUATE A

 

SENTENCE. AND I'M BEING COMPLETELY SERIOUS

 

HERE, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE LAUGHING.

 

I THINK YOU WILL GO FAR JUST BY KNOWING THE BASIC MECHANICS OF

 

THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE. AND I THINK THAT SOMETIMES GETS

 

OVERLOOKED. ON A VERY, VERY BASIC LEVEL, I

 

THINK IF YOU HAVE THE MECHANICS DOWN, THE SPELLING DOWN, THE

 

GRAMMAR DOWN, KNOWING HOW TO WRITE A SENTENCE, KNOWING HOW TO

 

TELL A SIMPLE STORY, THEN YOU WILL REALLY GO FAR.

 

AS THE MANAGING EDITOR OF A SMALL LOCAL NEWSPAPER I FIND

 

THAT IT'S HARD FOR US TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE OUR READERS GET

 

NATIONAL NEWS OR HEAR ABOUT NATIONAL NEWS.

 

SO WHAT IS ONE WAY THAT I COULD ENSURE THAT MY READERS ARE NOT

 

ONLY GETTING LOCAL NEWS, BUT ALSO SOME NATIONAL NEWS AS WELL?

 

ON THE WEBSITE OR IN THE PAPER OR BOTH?

 

THE WEBSITE, THE PAPER IS MOSTLY THE LOCAL NEWS.

 

WELL, THE FIRST THING YOU CAN DO IS DEPENDING ON WHAT PARTNERS

 

YOU HAVE, WHETHER YOU HAVE ANY ACCESS TO WIRES, IS YOU CAN

 

BUILD A DIGEST OR ROUNDUP OF NATIONAL NEWS THAT GIVES PEOPLE

 

A FEW OF THE BASICS OF WHAT THEY NEED TO KNOW, RIGHT?

 

AND IF YOU HAVE ACCESS TO ASSOCIATED PRESS, WHICH I KNOW

 

IS NOT IN ALL CASES IN ALL SMALL PAPERS OR YOU MAY HAVE SOME

 

OTHER PARTNERSHIPS THAT ALLOW YOU TO TAKE WIRE BRIEFS AND TURN

 

THEM INTO STORIES THAT SHOW -- GIVE PEOPLE A SUMMARY OF THE

 

MAIN STORIES OF THE DAY, EVEN JUST 10 STORIES.

 

I THINK YOU SHOULD TRUST YOUR READERS TO KNOW THAT IF THEY

 

WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE BUDGET IN WASHINGTON,

 

THAT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO FIND THE STORIES THAT WILL TELL THEM,

 

YOU KNOW, WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE BUDGET IN WASHINGTON.

 

I THINK IF THEY'RE GOING TO YOUR WEBSITE, THEY'RE PROBABLY MORE

 

INTERESTED IN KNOWING WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE TOWN.

 

I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TECHNOLOGY HERE, AND I THINK ONE

 

OF THE BENEFITS OF TECHNOLOGY IS WE DO KNOW WHERE TO GO AND HOW

 

TO GET INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN PALESTINE RIGHT

 

NOW, IF THEY'RE COMING TO YOUR SITE, THEY'RE PROBABLY

 

INTERESTED IN NEWS ABOUT YOUR TOWN.

 

TO HAVE TRUST IN THE READERS, DO YOU THINK YOUR READERS AND

 

READERS IN GENERAL AND PEOPLE WHO ARE WATCHING CABLE NEWS ALL

 

SOPHISTICATED ENOUGH TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT'S

 

OPINION, WHAT'S NEWS, WHAT'S ANALYSIS?

 

THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION AND THAT'S A TOUGH ORDER BECAUSE IN

 

THE TRADITIONAL ORGANIZATION OF, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS YOUNG IN

 

THE TRADITIONAL ORGANIZATION OF THE WAY A NEWSPAPER WAS PUT

 

TOGETHER, OR THE WAY A TELEVISION STATION PRESENTED ITS

 

NEWS, THE DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN WHAT WAS NEWS AND WHAT

 

WAS COMMENTARY ON THE NEWS WAS PRETTY CLEAR AND IF YOU LOOK AT

 

NEWSPAPERS OR NEWSPAPER WEBSITES YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A

 

DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN NEWS AND SPORTS AND OPINION AND OTHER

 

TOPICS, BUT IN AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE PEOPLE ARRIVE AT THE NEWS

 

THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA, A LOT OF TIMES FIRST OF ALL, YOU DON'T

 

KNOW -- YOU SEE SOMETHING AND YOU CLICK THROUGH TO IT AND YOU

 

DON'T KNOW WHO YOU'RE CLICKING THROUGH TO, BUT ALSO, YOU DON'T

 

REALLY TAKE STOCK OF THE FACT THAT THIS WAS LABELED AS AN

 

OPINION PIECE AND SO THEN YOU CLICK THROUGH TO IT AND YOU SAY

 

THAT'S AWFULLY OPINIONATED FOR A NEWS STORY ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON

 

IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND THE TRUTH IS IT WASN'T DESIGNED TO BE A

 

NEWS STORY ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE MIDDLE EAST.

 

LANCE, DO YOU THINK SOCIAL MEDIA OR ELECTRONIC MEDIA IS

 

CONTRIBUTING TO THAT? THAT'S THE PROBLEM IS A

 

COUPLE OF THINGS. CERTAINLY, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T

 

EVER ARRIVE AT A NEWS STORY. THEY'RE JUST LOOKING AT

 

HEADLINES GOING THROUGH THEIR NEWSFEED AND NOT CLICKING

 

THROUGH AND SO THEY SEE A HEADLINE AND THAT'S AN OPINION

 

PIECE, BUT IT'S NOT LABELED AS SUCH, AND I THINK A LOT OF

 

NEWSPAPERS DO A VERY POOR JOB OF LABELING WHAT END UP IN A NEWS

 

FEED WHETHER OR NOT IT'S NEWS OR OPINION AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT

 

LITERALLY ADVERTISING NOW ON A LOT OF MAJOR PUBLICATIONS, WE

 

JUST DID A STUDY AT LSU AND 30% OF NEWS AUDIENCES COULDN'T TELL

 

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN AD AND A NEWS STORY.

 

AND I HEARD THAT PRESENTED -- 70% COULD WELL 30% IS A PRETTY

 

BIG NUMBER SO WE WERE REALLY EYE TRACKING TO SEE AND WE TOLD THEM

 

TO CLICK ON ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WERE NEWS AND ALL THE

 

THINGS THAT WERE ADS AND 30% NEVER CLICKED ON A NATIVE

 

AUDIENCE. I KNOW AT NOLA.COM ONLINE

 

EVERY OPINION PIECE HAS "OPINION" IN THE HEADLINE,

 

RIGHT? AND THAT WAS A DEVELOPMENT

 

BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF CONFUSION BEFORE AND SOME OF IT

 

OWES TO SEARCH ENGINE OPTIMIZATION WHERE WE WERE

 

TRYING TO WRITE A HEADLINE THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SEE AND

 

NOTICE AND WANT TO READ AND SHARE, ETC., ETC.

 

AND THAT SEARCH ENGINE OPTIMIZATION MAY NOT NECESSARILY

 

FIT SO WELL WITH BIG OLD "OPINION" IN THE HEADLINE, BUT

 

WE HAVE BEEN A LITTLE MORE DELIBERATE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF

 

YEARS OF PUTTING THAT IN THE HEADLINE BECAUSE TO MY

 

DISAPPOINTMENT, MANY PEOPLE DID PROFESS CONFUSION MANY TIMES.

 

WELL, WHY ARE YOU SAYING THIS? YOU'RE BIASED.

 

WELL, OKAY, AN OPINION BY ITS VERY NATURE HAS A BIAS.

 

SO YES, THAT'S NOT -- THAT DOESN'T INSULT ME BECAUSE I'M

 

WRITING AN OPINION. BUT IT WAS ALWAYS A CONTINUING

 

SOURCE OF FRUSTRATION OF HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE SAYING WELL

 

THIS SOUNDS LIKE AN OPINION WHEN LIKE YEAH, IT IS AN OPINION.

 

BUT AS PETER SAID, WHEN IT GETS SHARED, WHEN IT GETS SENT TO

 

TWITTER, WHEN IT GETS SENT TO FACEBOOK, WHEN SOMEONE IS

 

EXCERPTING IT AND PUTTING IT WHEREVER IT IS, WE COMPLETELY

 

LOSE CONTROL OF THAT. SO HOW ARE YOU AND THE

 

ORGANIZATIONS THAT YOU REPRESENT, WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO

 

GET THE ATTENTION AND BE ABLE TO INFLUENCE OUR YOUNG PEOPLE TODAY

 

WHEN MOST OF WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT IS SOCIAL MEDIA?

 

I'LL START WITH THAT, I GUESS.

 

I JUST FINISHED A CLASS WITH COLLEGE FRESHMEN AND THEY WERE

 

NOT STUDENTS WHO ARE INTERESTED SO MUCH IN JOURNALISM.

 

IN FACT, THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF THE CLASS WERE

 

SCIENCE, MATH, ENGINEERING WOULD-BE MAJORS, INTENDED

 

MAJORS. BUT THEY HUNGERED FOR JUST THIS.

 

THERE WAS A GROWING REALIZATION THAT THE SOCIAL PLATFORMS DON'T

 

PROVIDE ENOUGH CONTEXT AND ENOUGH RELIABLE NEWS AND THEY

 

WANTED TO KNOW A COUPLE OF THINGS: HOW TO BUILD A MEDIA

 

DIET, HOW TO LOOK AT JOURNALISM AND ASSESS WHETHER IT WAS OF

 

GOOD QUALITY OR BAD QUALITY OR INFERIOR QUALITY AND WHAT LIFE

 

SKILLS I COULD GIVE THEM TO ANALYZE INFORMATION AND SO ONE

 

OF THE THINGS WE'VE DONE AND THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF CARDS

 

JUST LIKE THIS HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED BY THE MANSHIP

 

SCHOOL ABOUT HOW TO LOOK AT -- HOW TO JUDGE A STORY, WHETHER

 

THE SOURCING IS ACCURATE AND AUTHORITATIVE, WHETHER THE DATA

 

IS VERIFIABLE, WHETHER THE PEOPLE WHO ARE QUOTED ARE NAMED,

 

WHETHER THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT AND IF ANYBODY

 

WOULD LIKE A COPY, IF THE VIEWERS WOULD LIKE A COPY,

 

MANSHIP.LSU.EDU AND YOU CAN DOWNLOAD A VERSION OF THIS,

 

WHICH FOLDS OUT. I THINK THERE'S A SIMILARITY

 

TO PAWHOM SAY ABOUT THE MEDIA AND WHAT PEOPLE SAY ABOUT

 

POLITICIANS AND PEOPLE HAVE A CONTEMPTUOUS VIEW OF

 

POLITICIANS, FOR EXAMPLE, AND THOSE ARE THE POLITICIANS YOU

 

ELECTED AND IF YOU HAVE A VIEW OF THEM, YOU HAVE THAT VIEW OF

 

YOURSELF AND YOUR NEIGHBORS BECAUSE YOU PUT THEM IN THERE,

 

YOU DIDN'T FIGURE OUT WHERE THEIR MONEY CAME FROM, YOU

 

DIDN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY BELIEVED IN, YOU DIDN'T FIGURE

 

OUT HOW THEY WOULD VOTE AND I WOULD SAY THE SAME THING -- THE

 

SAME THING APPLIES TO THE MEDIA. PEOPLE LOVE TO CRITICIZE THE

 

MEDIA. THEY SAY OH, I HATE WATCHING THE

 

TV NEWS BECAUSE IT'S ALL FULL OF VIOLENCE.

 

WELL, IF IT'S ALL FULL OF VIOLENCE IT'S BECAUSE THEY'VE

 

DISCOVERED THAT YOU'LL WATCH IT IF IT'S ALL FULL OF VIOLENCE AND

 

SO I THINK THE CHALLENGE IS TO, YOU KNOW -- THE CHALLENGE IS TO

 

OUR CITIZENS IN THE SAME WAY, WE NEED TO ELECT BETTER

 

POLITICIANS. I THINK PEOPLE NEED TO LOOK FOR

 

AUTHORITATIVE SOURCES OF INFORMATION AND PUT IN THE TIME

 

JUST AS YOU SHOULD IN ELECTING A POLITICIAN TO UNDERSTAND WHERE

 

YOUR INFORMATION IS COMING FROM AND WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT.

 

CAN I JUST INTERJECT ONE THING?

 

I THINK THIS IS THE IMPERATIVE OF OUR AGE, MEANING I THINK

 

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE OUR OWN EDITORS.

 

THERE ARE GREAT EDITORS IN THE STATE, PETER RUNS A TERRIFIC

 

NEWS OPERATION. THE PICAYUNE HAS HAD A LONG

 

HISTORY OF GREAT JOURNALISM. BUT THAT KIND OF -- THAT KIND OF

 

EXPERTISE ON THE GROUND IS BECOMING MORE AND MORE SCARCE

 

AND PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR INFORMATION FROM ALL SORTS OF

 

UNTRADITIONAL SOURCES AND AS A CONSEQUENCE, THEY HAVE TO BE

 

THEIR OWN EDITORS. AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE

 

TEACHING TO PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT TO GO INTO JOURNALISM, BUT

 

WANT TO BE A BETTER NEWS CONSUMER.

 

HOW DO I GET GOOD INFORMATION AND HOW DO I TRUST IT?

 

LET'S GO TO SCOTT AND IF YOU'LL REMIND US WHO YOU

 

REPRESENT, SCOTT. SCOTT, I'M THE GENERAL

 

COUNSEL TO THE LOUISIANA PRESS ORGANIZATION.

 

I REPRESENT MEDIA ORGANIZATIONS IN THE STATE.

 

I AM FASCINATED BY THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT FAKE NEWS,

 

PARTICULARLY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE SUPREME COURT HAS SAID

 

SEVERAL TIMES THAT THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A FALSE IDEA,

 

RIGHT? THIS WHOLE CONCEPT OF THE FIRST

 

AMENDMENT IS THAT THERE IS A MARKETPLACE AND THAT THERE ARE

 

TRUE THINGS IN THE MARKETPLACE AND FALSE THINGS IN THE

 

MARKETPLACE AND SO MY QUESTION FOR THE PANEL IS, ISN'T THE

 

PROBLEM THAT PEOPLE ARE VOTING WITH THEIR FEET?

 

THERE ARE JUST MORE PEOPLE IN THE MARKETPLACE PARTICIPATING

 

AND THE FAKE NEWS IS ACTUALLY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE WHO ARE

 

ACTUALLY GOING TO TELL THE TRUTH TO WIN PEOPLE TO THEIR SIDE SO

 

THAT THEY WILL VOTE WITH THEIR FEET AND SUBSCRIBE?

 

OR GO ONLINE AND READ THE TRADITIONAL NEWS SOURCES THAT

 

ARE TELLING THE TRUTH? ISN'T THIS PART OF A PROCESS AND

 

ARE WE JUST KIND OF UBER CONCERNED WITH IT RIGHT NOW

 

BECAUSE OF THE ATMOSPHERE IN THE COUNTRY?

 

IT IS A PROCESS AND IT'S ALWAYS BEEN PART OF A PROCESS.

 

BUT IT'S AMPED UP NOW BECAUSE THE TECHNOLOGY, THE ECHO CHAMBER

 

EFFECT OF SOCIAL MEDIA, THE FILTER BUBBLES, ALL OF THAT, HAS

 

PUT THIS OUT THERE. I STILL BELIEVE IN THE

 

MARKETPLACE OF IDEAS. I THINK IT MAY TAKE LONGER THAN

 

IT USED TO TAKE BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY VOICES AS YOU'RE

 

REFERRING TO, THE VOLUME OF PEOPLE AND THE NUMBER OF

 

PLAYERS, BUT I STILL BELIEVE THAT ULTIMATELY, THE TRUTH DOES

 

WIN OUT, BUT I THINK THE MARKETPLACE OF IDEAS IS STILL

 

THE FUNDAMENTAL -- THE FUNDAMENTAL CORE OF OUR

 

REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY AND THE ROLE THE PRESS PLAYS IN IT.

 

WHAT STRUCK ME WHEN PETER WAS TALKING ABOUT WALTER CRONKITE

 

BEING THE MOST TRUSTED MAN IN AMERICA A GENERATION OR MAYBE

 

TWO GENERATIONS AGO NOW, WAS HISTORIANS OF JOURNALISMS HAVE

 

SAID THAT WAS THE EXCEPTION, THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME

 

THAT JOURNALISM HAS EXISTED IN AMERICA, IT'S BEEN A LOT MORE

 

LIKE IT IS TODAY THAN IT WAS DURING THE CRONKITE ERA, WHERE

 

YOU PICK YOUR SIDE AND THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO I WANT TO SEE.

 

SO WE ARE STILL TRYING TO I THINK HOLD TIGHT AND HOLD FAST

 

TO THAT CONCEPT THAT EXISTED FOR THIS BEAUTIFUL FLEETING MOMENT

 

IN TIME, WHERE PEOPLE HAD THIS IDEA OF NON-PARTISAN, FAIR AND

 

BALANCED, UNBIASED REPORTING, BUT I THINK THE NORM IS FAR, FAR

 

OUTSIDE OF THAT. THAT'S A GOOD POINT, AND I

 

THINK THE TRUTH IS THAT FAKE NEWS IS NOT A NEW THING RELATED

 

TO THE INTERNET. THE SALEM WITCH HUNT WAS FAKE

 

NEWS. THE GREATEST PIECE OF FAKE NEWS

 

IN MY LIFETIME WAS KENNEDY ASSASSINATION CONSPIRACY

 

THEORIES AND ALL OF THAT GAVE RISE BEFORE THE INTERNET, USING

 

OTHER TECHNOLOGIES, CHIEFLY BOOK PUBLISHING AND GUYS WRITING

 

BOOKS AND GOING ON TALK SHOWS AND TALKING ABOUT THE

 

INCONGRUITIES IN THE WARREN COMMISSION REPORT.

 

OLIVER STONE MADE A THREE-HOUR MOTION PICTURE, WHICH REALLY

 

IMPLANTED IN YOUNG PEOPLE'S HEADS THE IDEA THAT THERE WAS A

 

BIG CONSPIRACY INVOLVING THE CIA AND THE MILITARY ESTABLISHMENT

 

TO KILL KENNEDY AND ALL OF THAT IS FAKE NEWS AND ALL OF THAT

 

FAKE NEWS EXISTED BEFORE THE INTERNET AND POLLS SHOWED -- AND

 

STILL SHOW THAT MORE PEOPLE THINK THAT THE KENNEDY

 

ASSASSINATION WAS A VAST CONSPIRACY THAN, YOU KNOW, ONE

 

KIND OF LOSER WHO, BY THE WAY, WAS BORN IN LOUISIANA WHO SORT

 

OF WAS A GOOD SHOT AND HAPPENED TO BE IN THE RIGHT PLACE AT THE

 

RIGHT TIME. AND PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE IT'S

 

SO DIFFICULT FOR US TO ACCEPT THE FACT THAT SOMETHING SO

 

IMPORTANT COULD HAPPEN FROM SUCH A SERIES OF CIRCUMSTANCES.

 

WE ARE JUST ABOUT OUT OF TIME AND THE DISCUSSION IS REALLY

 

GETTING KICKED OFF. I WANT TO GIVE EVERYBODY TO

 

CHANCE TO MAKE A BRIEF CLOSING REMARK OR COMMENT.

 

I WOULD JUST SAY THAT TO ADD TO KIND OF THIS DISCUSSION HERE

 

IS THAT WE HAVE THESE MAJOR PLATFORMS NOW THAT ARE IN CHARGE

 

OF A LOT OF OUR MEDIA INFORMATION.

 

SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MICROSOFT AND GOOGLE AND

 

FACEBOOK AND THESE ARE NOT COMPANIES THAT HAVE NEWS VALUES

 

AS PART OF THEIR MISSION STATEMENT.

 

THEY'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF MAKING PROFITS AND SELLING

 

PRODUCTS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS SO THEIR OBJECTIVES ARE

 

DIFFERENT THAN TRADITIONAL NEWS ORGANIZATIONS.

 

SO THE FACT THAT MORE AND MORE PEOPLE ARE GETTING THEIR NEWS

 

FROM THESE PLATFORMS CREATES AN INHERENT CONFLICT, AND IT'S

 

SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO.

 

I GUESS I WOULD SAY THAT NEWS IS LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE AND YOU

 

GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR AND IF YOU GET FREE NEWS FROM FACEBOOK THEN

 

I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU'RE OUTRAGED ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT'S CRAPPY

 

AND INACCURATE. IF YOU WANT -- IF YOU WANT FREE

 

FOOD, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE VERY GOOD.

 

IF YOU WANT FREE HOUSING IT'S NOT GOING TO BE VERY GOOD.

 

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE TO GET USED TO THE IDEA

 

THAT IF THEY WANT REAL NEWS THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.

 

THERE'S A DAWNING REALIZATION INCLUDING AMONG THE PEOPLE IN

 

THIS ROOM THAT WHAT YOU GET IN THE WAY OF FREE NEWS ISN'T

 

NECESSARILY ACCURATE AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHY IT EXISTS AND THE

 

RUSSIAN ATTEMPTS TO INFLUENCE OUR ELECTION ARE A PIECE OF

 

THAT. YOU KNOW, ALL OF THAT IS ROOTED,

 

ALL THAT INFORMATION WAS SPREAD TO PEOPLE WHO GET THEIR NEWS FOR

 

FREE. AND I THINK PEOPLE WILL COME TO

 

THE REALIZATION THAT YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.

 

I THINK ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF GOING TO COLLEGE AND I'M NOT

 

SAYING IT'S EXCLUSIVE TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE GONE TO COLLEGE IS THAT

 

YOU ARE ASKED TO DEVELOP A CONCEPT OF CRITICAL THINKING,

 

WHERE YOU LEARN HOW TO EVALUATE IDEAS, EVALUATE THEORIES AND

 

HYPOTHESES AND FIGURE OUT WHY THEY DO OR DON'T MAKE SENSE AND

 

SO MANY PEOPLE I KNOW WHO HAVE BEEN TO COLLEGE ARE STILL SO

 

GULLIBLE AND CREDULOUS WHEN THEY'RE SEEING THINGS ON THE

 

INTERNET AND I HAVE HAD ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS TO SAY SOME

 

OF YOU ALL WILL SHARE ANYTHING. LIKE THINGS THAT CLEARLY

 

COULDN'T POSSIBLY MAKE ANY KIND OF SENSE DEMOGRAPHICALLY,

 

MATHEMATICALLY, WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE AT ALL IF YOU HAD YOUR

 

BRAINS OPERATING AND YET PEOPLE ARE SHOWING THIS WILLINGNESS TO

 

SHARE. AGAIN BECAUSE I THINK THIS

 

SPEAKS TO MY SIDE, THIS HELPS MY ARGUMENT, THIS HELPS MY SIDE AND

 

I'M GOING TO SHARE IT SO WHEN YOU MENTION THAT WE ALL HAVE TO

 

BECOME EDITORS, I THINK WE ALL HAVE TO ALSO BECOME A LOT MORE

 

CONSCIOUS ABOUT NOT ONLY WHAT WE ARE READING, BUT ALSO WHAT WE

 

ARE SHARING. WHAT ARE WE PUTTING OUT THERE?

 

HOW ARE WE CONTRIBUTING TO THIS MADNESS OUT THERE, THAT PEOPLE

 

ARE WILLING TO BELIEVE JUST ABOUT ANYTHING?

 

I'M OPTIMISTIC ABOUT THE CORE VALUES OF THE PRESS'S ROLE IN

 

THE AMERICAN DEMOCRACY, BUT I DO THINK THAT ALL OF WHAT WE'VE

 

BEEN TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT IS GOING TO GET WORSE BEFORE IT

 

GETS BETTER. OKAY.

 

THAT'S A REALLY CHEERFUL WAY TO END THE EVENING.

 

[LAUGHTER] THANK YOU LIN.

 

SO WE'VE RUN OUT OF TIME FOR OUR QUESTION-AND-ANSWER SEGMENT AND

 

WE WOULD LIKE TO THANK OUR PANELISTS FOR THEIR INSIGHT ON

 

THIS MONTH'S TOPIC. WHEN WE RETURN WE'LL HAVE A FEW

 

CLOSING COMMENTS. ♪♪

 

♪♪ WHAT A TERRIFIC

 

CONVERSATION. THERE'S SO MANY THINGS WE COULD

 

TALK ABOUT IN THE FUTURE, BUT OBVIOUSLY, I'M IMPRESSED WITH

 

THE AUDIENCE AND WITH THE PANEL, AS WELL.

 

AND IT'S COMMITTED ME TO THINKING ABOUT WHAT THE ROLE IS

 

OF PUBLIC MEDIA, AND I THINK WE HAVE AN IMPORTANT ROLE TO PLAY.

 

AND A VERY GOOD REPUTATION I THINK, TOO.

 

WELL, THANK YOU AND THAT'S ALL THE TIME WE HAVE FOR

 

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