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>>Coming up, Matt and his team

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help a couple downsize their 
sprawling ancestral home

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filled with hundreds 
of family heirlooms.

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>>Six generations of 
stuff in the house.

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Nobody threw anything out.

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>>There he is.

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>>And along the way,

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learn the truth about the 
property's troubling history.

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>>The reality is we're on land.

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People from the 
Civil War lived here.

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There were slaves 
on this property.

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>>I sort of wanna make sure

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that my children aren't 
burdened with it.

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>>I'm Matt Paxton.

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Let's do it, man.

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My team of specialists,

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Jaime, Mike, and Avi,

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help me help people 
downsize their homes

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and settle estates.

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As the largest population 
of baby boomers

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in American history

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transition towards retirement.

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they and their families 
face the overwhelming task

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of emptying their homes to move.

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We help them sift 
through a lifetime

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of possessions, heirlooms, 
and collectibles.

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>>Oh, my gosh.

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>>She's gonna love that.

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>>To help them find the 
missing family treasures

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that mean the most to them.

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>>Oh, my goodness!

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>>Jackie Robinson.

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And along the way, 
they'll discover

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that the most important 
museum in the world

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may be in their 
family's basement.

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>>Oh!

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>>I've never seen that. 
That is cool looking.

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>>From attics to cellars,

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closets to cupboards,

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we uncover the memories 
they want to preserve.

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This is living history.

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This is what we're here to find.

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And discover the 
compelling, personal,

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and often historical 
stories spanning generations

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that are their family's legacy.

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The Ruth Camp Campbell 
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(bright upbeat music)

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>>I'm on my way to 
Leesburg, Virginia

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to meet Libby Devlin.

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She and her husband, Nick, own 
the Historic Rockland Farms.

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It's a massive property.

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They're thinking about 
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but before they do that,

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they've got to downsize 
a lot of items.

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The hardest part about 
downsizing is getting started

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and that's why they 
brought our team in.

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We're gonna go 
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help them declutter 
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and hopefully find some 
really awesome treasures

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along the way.

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>>Hey!

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>>Libby!

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Good to meet you! 
>>You made it!

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>>All right, we 
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so I'm gonna do the elbows.

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This is amazing.

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>>It's been in my family 
for over 200 years.

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>>200 years.

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>>And if you look 
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you can see my great-great-great 
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who built the house in 1822.

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>>I heard it was big. I 
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How far does it go?

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>>600 acres,

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and it goes all the way 
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We have about a mile of 
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Six generations of 
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Nobody threw anything out.

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>>So every generation 
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And now, who's here? 
Who lives here?

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>>- [Libby] Just 
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And I guess it's kind of come 
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>>Let's do it.

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I'm a little slow, 
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so bear with me on the steps.

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>>How did you do that?

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>>I fell off of the street.

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>>How do you fall off a street?

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>>That's a very good question.

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[Matt] This is amazing.

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[Matt] Gorgeous 
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>>Goes three stories up

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and another large 
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>>Who is this?

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>>- [Libby] This is Ollie.

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He would like to 
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>>life. 
>>center of attention.

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>>Okay. Well, hello, Ollie.

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[Matt] All right, 
this is incredible.

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Talk to me. What do you 
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I see a lot of clocks.

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>>- [Libby] I don't know.

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It's a grandfather clock.

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>>Correct.

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>>I don't really know

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anything about it. 
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>>This is special, but 
what you really need to see

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are these windows.

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This is really special to me.

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So this is George 
Rust's signature.

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>>Well, I'm seeing 
a lot of signatures.

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Walk me through this.

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>>So whenever we have 
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the wedding party all signs

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with a diamond tip 
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So this is my and my 
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And this is...

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[Libby] Let me see. This 
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My parents are over down there.

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And my brother.

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>>I have never seen 
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This is a real legacy.

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>>It really is, yeah.

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>>Oh, my gosh.

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>>Okay, so this is the 
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>>Very formal.

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>>And this is a portrait

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of General George Rust.

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That's my great-great-great 
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>>Great-great-great grandfather.

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>>I got it. Yeah.

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This is his wife, 
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She had an unfortunate death.

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The women back then 
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and the houses were 
heated by big fireplaces.

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And it was quite a common 
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is that she actually 
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her dress caught fire, and died.

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>>Wow.

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>>So yeah, that 
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>>Holy cow. Okay.

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And now she lives on 
forever in your formal room.

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>>And then I wanted 
to show you this.

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He was head of the 
artillery for Harper's Ferry

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and this is his gun.

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>>This is incredible, 
and it is insanely heavy.

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>>I know. How did 
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>>Gosh, you could do 
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>>You could. You totally could.

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I don't know how 
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The weight of those things.

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>>I mean, this is really 
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Golly day.

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>>And then I have 
to show you this.

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>>Yeah. This is really 
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>>Yeah. It's cloggers.

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>>Wow.

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>>And some guy put it 
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and it's just a 
really fun piece.

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>>Well, it's a 
spectacular piece.

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It's Appalachian folk art.

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I'm in love with this.

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>>It's great, isn't it?

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[Libby] Okay, so 
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>>Wow.

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Who's this?

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>>This is Ida Lee Rust.

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So she has quite 
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She was the second wife

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of Armistead Thomson Mason Rust.

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When he married Ida Lee, 
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plus the three from 
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Then Armistead died, and 
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the place was in debt,

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and Ida Lee somehow managed 
to pull it out of debt

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and keep it in the 
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>>So the amazing property 
that we're standing on

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would not exist 
without this woman?

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So you have a special place? 
>>She's kind of my idol.

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>>I love it.

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This looks like Mozart's 
high school yearbook.

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What's going on here?

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>>This is the Lee line.

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And that's Richard Henry Lee.

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I don't know how many 
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and signer of the 
Declaration of Independence.

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>>Okay, so someone 
in your family

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signed the Declaration 
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>>It's awesome and it's a 
heavy obligation as well.

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>>There's a lot. 
>>There's a lot here.

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>>Going on. 
>>There's a lot here.

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>>One of the concerns I 
had about this property

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is there's an obvious 
negative history here.

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Libby and her family 
immediately acknowledged it,

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and they said look, we 
are concerned about this

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and we know we need to 
do more and learn more

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to understand the things that 
happened on this property.

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[Matt] Where's your husband?

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>>Oh, he's probably 
fiddling with something

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outside in the gardens.

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>>All right, cool.

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Well, let's go meet him and 
we'll see what we can do.

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[Matt] Wow. Look at this place.

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Holy cow.

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It's huge.

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>>It is. Lots of gardens.

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>>I can see why they 
call it Rockland.

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>>Nick is out here 
somewhere, I think.

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>>There he is right there.

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>>Hey! 
>>Hey, Nick!

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>>There he is. 
>>Hi!

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>>Look who I have. 
>>How are you?

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>>Good to meet you, man.

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>>You too. 
>>This is incredible.

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>>Thank you.

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>>I learned a lot about 
your family inside.

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Maybe we can sit over there 
and go over the Legacy List?

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>>That'd be great.

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>>All right, cool. 
>>Let's do it.

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>>Let's do it.

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>>Ollie, you first.

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>>Waiting for her daddy.

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[Matt] Most people that 
call me are about to move,

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they're ready to downsize,

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and we're not there 
yet with you guys.

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Where are you at mentally?

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>>Good question.

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>>I just feel like we're 
getting to the point

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where we need to transition 
to the next chapter

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because we're not 
getting any younger

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and I don't wanna die here.

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I want a simpler life.

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>>Yeah, I need a break. 
This is just a ton of work.

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>>It weighs on you every day.

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I can see you're 
tearing up already.

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>>I love the place.

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I've grown up loving it,

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but at the same time,

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it sort of is an 
all-consuming project

260
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being a steward 
of this property.

261
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Sometimes you wanna 
do your own thing.

262
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It's hard.

263
00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,700
>>How do you let go 
of those glass windows

264
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that has 200 years of marriage?

265
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>>With my and my 
husband's name in it.

266
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Something I've been really 
trying to work through.

267
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>>Okay.

268
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If you include Libby's kids,

269
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you have eight 
generations of people

270
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that she feels like 
she's letting down.

271
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[Matt] It's Legacy List time.

272
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And what a Legacy List 
is is real simple.

273
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It's just a few items 
that mean something

274
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to you and your family.

275
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And a lot of times, you 
know where they are,

276
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or you know about 
where they are,

277
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and then sometimes 
you just wanna learn

278
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more information about it.

279
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And we're here to help 
you with all of those.

280
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I'm gonna start with you.

281
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>>Okay.

282
00:10:12,633 --> 00:10:14,866
Because weddings are such 
a big part of Rockland,

283
00:10:14,866 --> 00:10:17,100
so many family members 
have gotten married here.

284
00:10:17,100 --> 00:10:18,900
You saw the windows.

285
00:10:18,900 --> 00:10:23,166
My great grandmother 
had a wedding dress,

286
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it was up in the attic,

287
00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:26,600
and I know that 
during my wedding,

288
00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,500
it was displayed on a mannequin,

289
00:10:29,500 --> 00:10:32,500
and I just don't know 
what's happened to it.

290
00:10:32,500 --> 00:10:34,366
I think it might 
be up in the attic.

291
00:10:34,366 --> 00:10:37,300
It would be really 
meaningful to find that.

292
00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,066
>>All right, Ollie. You good?

293
00:10:41,066 --> 00:10:41,733
>>Ollie, you're done? 
>>All right, Ollie's done.

294
00:10:41,733 --> 00:10:43,100
>>Ah, thank you.

295
00:10:43,100 --> 00:10:44,466
>>Ollie doesn't 
wanna move either.

296
00:10:44,466 --> 00:10:46,500
I mean, that's the problem.

297
00:10:46,500 --> 00:10:47,433
All right.

298
00:10:47,433 --> 00:10:49,633
Nick, what's your first item?

299
00:10:49,633 --> 00:10:51,100
>>A little while back,

300
00:10:51,100 --> 00:10:54,300
the Potomac River was very 
low, it was a drought,

301
00:10:54,300 --> 00:10:56,300
and I had a kayak out there,

302
00:10:56,300 --> 00:10:58,933
and I spied a millstone.

303
00:10:58,933 --> 00:11:01,200
Since you have a crew here,

304
00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,566
maybe we can drag 
it out of the river.

305
00:11:04,566 --> 00:11:06,666
>>A millstone. Is it 
this big, we thinking?

306
00:11:06,666 --> 00:11:07,966
>>It's not this big.

307
00:11:07,966 --> 00:11:09,666
>>How long have you 
wanted to get this?

308
00:11:09,666 --> 00:11:12,000
>>Well, I've seen 
this down there

309
00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,366
for a good four years now

310
00:11:14,366 --> 00:11:16,933
and I never dreamed 
that I'd be able to,

311
00:11:16,933 --> 00:11:19,000
but it's something 
I'd love to do.

312
00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:20,166
>>Okay.

313
00:11:20,166 --> 00:11:23,166
>>Do you have any scuba divers?

314
00:11:23,166 --> 00:11:24,100
>>Sure. We'll find some stuff.

315
00:11:24,100 --> 00:11:24,933
>>Okay.

316
00:11:26,300 --> 00:11:29,366
>>I mean, we always say 
we'll help you find anything.

317
00:11:29,366 --> 00:11:30,833
>>Yeah. I took 
your word on that.

318
00:11:30,833 --> 00:11:32,533
>>You might test me on this one.

319
00:11:32,533 --> 00:11:33,800
All right.

320
00:11:35,966 --> 00:11:37,500
What's next?

321
00:11:37,500 --> 00:11:41,100
>>About 25 years ago when 
my grandfather was alive,

322
00:11:41,100 --> 00:11:43,533
my grandfather 
called up my brother

323
00:11:43,533 --> 00:11:47,133
and they had this idea of 
putting together a time capsule.

324
00:11:47,133 --> 00:11:48,933
My brother designed 
the time capsule

325
00:11:48,933 --> 00:11:51,966
and my grandfather pretty much 
decided what would go in it,

326
00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:54,933
the historical things 
that would go in it.

327
00:11:54,933 --> 00:11:56,166
And so I'd love to-

328
00:11:56,166 --> 00:11:57,200
>>That's really cool. 
>>If we could figure out

329
00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:58,500
how to crack it open. 
>>Okay.

330
00:11:58,500 --> 00:11:59,733
Gosh, you guys are pushing me.

331
00:11:59,733 --> 00:12:02,400
So we got a millstone,

332
00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,366
I got to go diving in a creek,

333
00:12:04,366 --> 00:12:05,700
and we're gonna open 
up a time capsule.

334
00:12:05,700 --> 00:12:06,900
I love it.

335
00:12:06,900 --> 00:12:08,466
Nick, what you got?

336
00:12:08,466 --> 00:12:11,533
[Nick] Okay well, there's some 
really good art in the place.

337
00:12:11,533 --> 00:12:12,366
>>Yes, there is.

338
00:12:12,366 --> 00:12:13,633
>>There's Audubons

339
00:12:13,633 --> 00:12:17,800
and then there's a 
John Beard painting.

340
00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:19,733
>>Is that Audubon 
on the stairwell,

341
00:12:19,733 --> 00:12:21,000
is that original?

342
00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:22,733
>>I'm pretty sure 
it is. Yeah, yeah.

343
00:12:22,733 --> 00:12:25,600
And then we think we 
might have an Inness.

344
00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,533
>>That was right- 
>>On the staircase.

345
00:12:27,533 --> 00:12:30,400
We know that there were a 
number of real Inness' here,

346
00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:32,433
so we thought perhaps 
this might be one.

347
00:12:32,433 --> 00:12:34,300
>>So I have a guy on my 
team that'll come in,

348
00:12:34,300 --> 00:12:36,466
and he's one of the top 
experts in the country on art.

349
00:12:36,466 --> 00:12:37,900
He'll know immediately.

350
00:12:37,900 --> 00:12:41,133
>>Yeah, please. 
>>That'd be great.

351
00:12:41,133 --> 00:12:42,833
>>All right, Libby, 
you got any other ones?

352
00:12:42,833 --> 00:12:44,700
>>I know that Ida Lee,

353
00:12:44,700 --> 00:12:47,266
who's kind of one of my heroes

354
00:12:47,266 --> 00:12:50,766
for managing to keep 
this place in the family,

355
00:12:50,766 --> 00:12:54,766
she always had a diary 
and wrote in her diary,

356
00:12:54,766 --> 00:12:58,500
and I would love 
to find that diary

357
00:12:58,500 --> 00:13:01,466
to see what wisdom is in there.

358
00:13:01,466 --> 00:13:04,033
>>When I started hearing 
about the diary of Ida Lee,

359
00:13:04,033 --> 00:13:06,333
I realized Libby 
wants to be the hero,

360
00:13:06,333 --> 00:13:07,966
she wants to save this place,

361
00:13:07,966 --> 00:13:11,066
and that's when the story 
kinda came out for me.

362
00:13:11,066 --> 00:13:13,700
>>None of my ancestors 
ever figured out what

363
00:13:13,700 --> 00:13:15,833
was gonna be,

364
00:13:15,833 --> 00:13:17,633
how it was gonna end up,

365
00:13:17,633 --> 00:13:20,166
and I sort of wanna make sure

366
00:13:20,166 --> 00:13:22,033
that my children aren't 
burdened with it.

367
00:13:22,033 --> 00:13:23,733
>>So you bring up 
a good point here.

368
00:13:23,733 --> 00:13:26,233
The reality is we're on land,

369
00:13:26,233 --> 00:13:28,233
people from the 
Civil War lived here,

370
00:13:28,233 --> 00:13:30,266
there were slaves 
on this property,

371
00:13:30,266 --> 00:13:32,433
and yet this is a 
very modern property

372
00:13:32,433 --> 00:13:33,700
that's changing as well.

373
00:13:33,700 --> 00:13:35,566
I drove up and there's a 
Black Lives Matter sign.

374
00:13:36,500 --> 00:13:37,900
So there's a lot going on here.

375
00:13:37,900 --> 00:13:39,100
>>My daughters,

376
00:13:39,100 --> 00:13:41,233
they put up the Black 
Lives Matter sign,

377
00:13:41,233 --> 00:13:43,933
and my daughters 
are very determined.

378
00:13:43,933 --> 00:13:44,766
They get it.

379
00:13:46,300 --> 00:13:49,033
It does, it weighs on me, 
definitely, and the family.

380
00:13:49,033 --> 00:13:50,566
>>And it probably 
weighs on them.

381
00:13:50,566 --> 00:13:55,200
>>On the one hand, if I had 
to let go of this place,

382
00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:59,533
it would be really literally 
heart-wrenching for me,

383
00:13:59,533 --> 00:14:04,366
but at the same time, it 
would be very freeing for me.

384
00:14:04,366 --> 00:14:06,633
>>The little house 
and one acre of land

385
00:14:07,966 --> 00:14:09,133
next to a trout stream.

386
00:14:11,500 --> 00:14:14,633
>>Libby absolutely 
lives in a museum.

387
00:14:14,633 --> 00:14:17,366
It's very difficult to get 
away from this obligation

388
00:14:17,366 --> 00:14:20,100
when you live inside it 24/7.

389
00:14:20,100 --> 00:14:21,800
I'm excited to see what we find.

390
00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:22,966
I just wanna really thank you

391
00:14:22,966 --> 00:14:25,000
for letting us into your home,

392
00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:26,200
and letting us discuss things

393
00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,066
that are not always 
easy to discuss,

394
00:14:28,066 --> 00:14:32,033
because sometimes 
saving a family legacy,

395
00:14:32,033 --> 00:14:34,466
sometimes we wanna hide 
some of this stuff, right,

396
00:14:34,466 --> 00:14:36,433
and you've really allowed us 
to just talk about everything.

397
00:14:36,433 --> 00:14:37,433
So thank you. 
>>We need to address it.

398
00:14:37,433 --> 00:14:39,266
Thank you for helping us out.

399
00:14:39,266 --> 00:14:40,633
>>Okay. Then let's 
go get started.

400
00:14:40,633 --> 00:14:41,466
>>Great.

401
00:14:48,533 --> 00:14:50,200
>>Oh, hey, Jaime. 
>>Hey, guys.

402
00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:51,566
How's it going?

403
00:14:51,566 --> 00:14:52,833
>>Good, good.

404
00:14:52,833 --> 00:14:54,000
>>What's up, everybody?

405
00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:55,766
>>Hey there. 
>>What's up, Matt?

406
00:14:56,833 --> 00:14:57,833
>>Do you have 
something to tell us?

407
00:14:57,833 --> 00:15:00,066
>>Yeah. I broke my foot.

408
00:15:00,066 --> 00:15:02,966
I was walking down the 
street, a flat street,

409
00:15:02,966 --> 00:15:05,566
and I literally fell off 
the road and broke my foot.

410
00:15:05,566 --> 00:15:06,400
>>That takes skill.

411
00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:07,833
>>Only you.

412
00:15:07,833 --> 00:15:09,566
>>I know- I'll be a 
little slower than normal,

413
00:15:09,566 --> 00:15:11,133
so I'll need your help.

414
00:15:11,133 --> 00:15:12,633
This place is called Rockland.

415
00:15:13,500 --> 00:15:14,700
It has a cool name.

416
00:15:14,700 --> 00:15:17,100
It's been in this family 
since it was built.

417
00:15:17,100 --> 00:15:18,600
200 years.

418
00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:20,133
So this is pre-Civil War.

419
00:15:20,133 --> 00:15:23,333
So for you, lots of old 
military history, lots of guns.

420
00:15:23,333 --> 00:15:24,833
>>Excited for that.

421
00:15:24,833 --> 00:15:26,600
>>Basement's awesome for 
you. Just tons to pick at.

422
00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,000
I mean tons.

423
00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:29,966
And lots of old vintage clothes.

424
00:15:29,966 --> 00:15:31,600
They used to host weddings here.

425
00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,100
>>Oh, cool.

426
00:15:33,100 --> 00:15:34,400
>>There's something I've 
never seen done at weddings

427
00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:35,233
in this house

428
00:15:35,233 --> 00:15:36,066
that you're gonna love.

429
00:15:36,066 --> 00:15:36,900
>>I'm excited.

430
00:15:36,900 --> 00:15:38,066
>>This place is awesome.

431
00:15:38,066 --> 00:15:39,600
But here's the challenge 
with this family.

432
00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,733
Normally our clients, they 
know what they're doing,

433
00:15:42,733 --> 00:15:44,066
and these people are stuck.

434
00:15:44,066 --> 00:15:45,500
They need a kick in the butt.

435
00:15:45,500 --> 00:15:47,900
>>The good news is we 
don't have that sentimental

436
00:15:47,900 --> 00:15:50,600
attachment and we can 
help them figure out ways

437
00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:52,400
to get these into new homes.

438
00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:54,233
>>There are some very 
complicated stories

439
00:15:54,233 --> 00:15:56,100
on this land as well.

440
00:15:56,100 --> 00:15:58,966
So we're gonna be talking about 
some real heavy issues here

441
00:15:58,966 --> 00:16:01,666
and trying to get 
them to let go.

442
00:16:01,666 --> 00:16:04,733
>>I'm just excited to see 
a little bit more of the

443
00:16:04,733 --> 00:16:06,833
property and also to 
see inside the house.

444
00:16:06,833 --> 00:16:07,866
I'm sure it's like a museum.

445
00:16:07,866 --> 00:16:10,000
>>All right, let's go.

446
00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:11,200
>>Are you sure 
you're up for that?

447
00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:12,166
>>Yes, I can do it.

448
00:16:20,566 --> 00:16:23,566
There's an active farm here. 
They've got lots of cattle.

449
00:16:23,566 --> 00:16:25,633
Yeah. I mean, 
they've got it all.

450
00:16:25,633 --> 00:16:28,733
Every time I walk the 
property, I see something new.

451
00:16:28,733 --> 00:16:30,533
It really is an 
incredible property.

452
00:16:35,333 --> 00:16:38,500
>>I always love looking 
through old vintage clothing

453
00:16:38,500 --> 00:16:41,000
A lot of my clients 
get stuck when it comes

454
00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,966
to going through clothing, 
either their own clothing

455
00:16:43,966 --> 00:16:45,600
or clothing that 
they've held on to

456
00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:47,266
from previous generations.

457
00:16:47,266 --> 00:16:48,966
You keep a lot of it over time,

458
00:16:48,966 --> 00:16:50,900
it does end up taking 
up a lot of space,

459
00:16:50,900 --> 00:16:54,300
so it's a great place 
to start decluttering.

460
00:16:54,300 --> 00:16:55,933
Libby had a lot of 
stuff in the attic,

461
00:16:55,933 --> 00:16:58,100
and so I had a good feeling

462
00:16:58,100 --> 00:17:00,366
that the wedding dress 
might be up there

463
00:17:00,366 --> 00:17:03,833
because the rest of the 
house was pretty pristine.

464
00:17:03,833 --> 00:17:05,600
>>Look, here's a hint.

465
00:17:06,566 --> 00:17:08,300
[Libby] See these shoes?

466
00:17:08,300 --> 00:17:10,066
>>Oh, my gosh.

467
00:17:10,066 --> 00:17:11,500
Cool.

468
00:17:11,500 --> 00:17:13,333
Yeah, let's grab these things 
and take them downstairs

469
00:17:13,333 --> 00:17:15,600
where it's a little bit 
cooler and look through them.

470
00:17:17,566 --> 00:17:19,100
>>Can you get all that?

471
00:17:20,333 --> 00:17:21,833
Get that door out of the way.

472
00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:24,033
All right.

473
00:17:24,033 --> 00:17:26,400
>>With Libby, she 
had a lot of pieces

474
00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:28,900
that she had held on to, or 
had been passed down from her

475
00:17:28,900 --> 00:17:30,366
from previous generations,

476
00:17:30,366 --> 00:17:32,166
and so that gave her hesitation

477
00:17:32,166 --> 00:17:35,300
in wanting to go through 
them and get rid of them.

478
00:17:35,300 --> 00:17:36,533
[Jaime] Look how tiny these are.

479
00:17:36,533 --> 00:17:38,166
>>I know. 
>>They're size 34.

480
00:17:39,166 --> 00:17:40,100
>>34?

481
00:17:41,500 --> 00:17:43,000
>>I mean, these wouldn't 
have been children's shoes.

482
00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:44,400
>>Well, one thing 
I was wondering,

483
00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:46,200
could these have been the shoes

484
00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,066
that my great-grandmother 
wore with her wedding?

485
00:17:49,066 --> 00:17:50,300
>>Maybe.

486
00:17:50,300 --> 00:17:52,033
>>Because she was 
a very small woman.

487
00:17:52,033 --> 00:17:53,300
>>Okay.

488
00:17:53,300 --> 00:17:56,866
This looks like a modern 
day romper, if you will,

489
00:17:56,866 --> 00:17:59,833
where it's like the top and 
the bottom all put together.

490
00:17:59,833 --> 00:18:03,366
So it's made by Spalding, so 
maybe it was for some type-

491
00:18:03,366 --> 00:18:04,866
>>1917.

492
00:18:04,866 --> 00:18:06,733
>>I mean, when you find 
things like this in your

493
00:18:06,733 --> 00:18:09,166
attic, are you inclined 
to want to hang on to them

494
00:18:09,166 --> 00:18:12,900
because you know that they 
were part of your family?

495
00:18:12,900 --> 00:18:15,900
Where are you in the process 
of being able to let things go?

496
00:18:16,933 --> 00:18:18,166
>>Oh, that's hard

497
00:18:18,166 --> 00:18:20,733
because obviously that's 
some vintage thing,

498
00:18:20,733 --> 00:18:22,700
but I would never use it.

499
00:18:22,700 --> 00:18:24,200
>>Right.

500
00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,333
We don't need to hang on to 
that. You can let this go.

501
00:18:26,333 --> 00:18:27,433
This looks like-

502
00:18:27,433 --> 00:18:28,533
>>Long underwear?

503
00:18:28,533 --> 00:18:30,900
>>Yeah, long underwear, 
like pajamas.

504
00:18:30,900 --> 00:18:31,700
Yep.

505
00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:34,633
They're like the long underwear.

506
00:18:34,633 --> 00:18:35,466
>>Long johns.

507
00:18:35,466 --> 00:18:36,833
>>Long johns.

508
00:18:36,833 --> 00:18:37,866
>>Out of Pittsburgh.

509
00:18:37,866 --> 00:18:39,433
>>So it was one of the Rusts

510
00:18:39,433 --> 00:18:41,166
because it was Pittsburgh.

511
00:18:41,166 --> 00:18:42,600
>>Okay.

512
00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:44,333
Once we started talking about 
it and going through it,

513
00:18:44,333 --> 00:18:46,633
I found that the decisions 
were coming easier to her

514
00:18:46,633 --> 00:18:48,633
and she was really 
ready to let go.

515
00:18:48,633 --> 00:18:50,033
So I'm gonna guess 
you'll be okay

516
00:18:50,033 --> 00:18:51,766
parting with these as well?

517
00:18:51,766 --> 00:18:52,766
>>Yeah, definitely.

518
00:18:52,766 --> 00:18:54,333
>>How about your husband?

519
00:18:54,333 --> 00:18:55,300
He won't want them?

520
00:18:56,733 --> 00:18:59,766
>>I don't think he'd want 
his butt hanging out there.

521
00:19:02,166 --> 00:19:04,333
>>So it looks like we 
found some cool stuff

522
00:19:04,333 --> 00:19:05,933
that did belong to your family,

523
00:19:05,933 --> 00:19:07,766
but it's not your 
great-grandmother's 
wedding dress,

524
00:19:07,766 --> 00:19:09,166
which is really what 
you're hoping to find.

525
00:19:09,166 --> 00:19:11,166
So I'm gonna run back upstairs.

526
00:19:11,166 --> 00:19:12,600
>>Okay.

527
00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:13,533
>>And if I find anything, 
I'll bring it down.

528
00:19:13,533 --> 00:19:14,833
I have a really good feeling

529
00:19:14,833 --> 00:19:16,933
that it's up there. 
>>I hope you find it.

530
00:19:16,933 --> 00:19:19,166
>>Yes. So wish me luck.

531
00:19:19,166 --> 00:19:20,300
>>Okay. Good luck.

532
00:19:20,300 --> 00:19:21,800
>>All right.

533
00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:23,566
I really felt the importance

534
00:19:23,566 --> 00:19:26,266
of finding her 
grandmother's wedding dress

535
00:19:26,266 --> 00:19:29,433
because the history of 
Rockland is intertwined

536
00:19:29,433 --> 00:19:31,133
with all of these 
family weddings.

537
00:19:31,133 --> 00:19:34,433
So I really felt the 
pressure to find this dress.

538
00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:36,900
>>All right, there's 
something I wanna show you

539
00:19:36,900 --> 00:19:38,400
over here in the corner. 
>>What's that?

540
00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:39,866
>>Check it out.

541
00:19:39,866 --> 00:19:41,133
I always like to 
have Avi with me

542
00:19:41,133 --> 00:19:43,200
when I'm looking at 
guns and artillery.

543
00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,366
What do you think that is? 
>>This is a musket, sir.

544
00:19:45,366 --> 00:19:46,500
>>A musket.

545
00:19:46,500 --> 00:19:48,600
>>Yeah, a single-shot musket.

546
00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,233
>>Someone might call 
us The Two Musketeers.

547
00:19:52,700 --> 00:19:55,000
>>When you have to 
work a gun like this,

548
00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,833
a muzzleload, which 
is loaded in front,

549
00:19:57,833 --> 00:19:59,833
you have to pull out 
the ram right here,

550
00:20:01,033 --> 00:20:04,833
and flip it over after 
you put the powder in,

551
00:20:04,833 --> 00:20:06,066
the mini ball.

552
00:20:06,066 --> 00:20:08,433
>>What I'm realizing 
is the old saying,

553
00:20:08,433 --> 00:20:09,700
the white of their eyes.

554
00:20:10,966 --> 00:20:13,800
You gotta be that 
close to shoot 'em.

555
00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,300
>>And that's the big reason 
why that was even stated

556
00:20:16,300 --> 00:20:18,200
because if they 
weren't that close

557
00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,000
the likelihood of you 
hitting it is lower.

558
00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:21,633
>>So you're doing 
this at the same time

559
00:20:21,633 --> 00:20:23,166
that dude right over 
there is doing it.

560
00:20:23,166 --> 00:20:24,166
>>Running at you.

561
00:20:24,166 --> 00:20:25,133
>>That's crazy.

562
00:20:25,133 --> 00:20:27,100
>>Then you have to cock.

563
00:20:27,100 --> 00:20:28,266
I know people say

564
00:20:28,266 --> 00:20:30,533
you're a little 
half-cocked sometimes,

565
00:20:30,533 --> 00:20:31,900
that's where the 
terminology came from.

566
00:20:31,900 --> 00:20:34,066
>>That's half-cocked? 
>>Being half-cocked.

567
00:20:34,066 --> 00:20:37,100
Because many soldiers, 
if not trained well,

568
00:20:37,100 --> 00:20:39,833
would try to fire this gun 
in a half-cocked position,

569
00:20:39,833 --> 00:20:41,533
and it wouldn't fire.

570
00:20:41,533 --> 00:20:43,733
>>Interesting. So that's 
where the term came from.

571
00:20:43,733 --> 00:20:45,000
>>That's where the 
term comes from.

572
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,700
18 years old, you're 
running face-to-face

573
00:20:48,700 --> 00:20:50,833
with another man across from him

574
00:20:50,833 --> 00:20:53,233
trying to load 
this gun and fire.

575
00:20:54,100 --> 00:20:55,400
Crazy.

576
00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:56,633
Hard to imagine.

577
00:20:56,633 --> 00:20:58,766
>>I can't even get my 
son to mow the lawn.

578
00:20:58,766 --> 00:21:00,766
Can't imagine a 
kid doing all this.

579
00:21:00,766 --> 00:21:02,500
>>Sending them into battle.

580
00:21:02,500 --> 00:21:04,400
>>A lot of the families 
that we work with,

581
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,000
guns become a romantic 
part of their history,

582
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:08,700
and Rockland is no different.

583
00:21:08,700 --> 00:21:10,966
I mean, there was 
apparently a famous duel,

584
00:21:10,966 --> 00:21:13,200
actually right across the 
river from this property,

585
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,466
where a good family friend 
was actually killed,

586
00:21:15,466 --> 00:21:18,633
and they actually got the 
property back into the family

587
00:21:18,633 --> 00:21:20,266
because of this duel.

588
00:21:20,266 --> 00:21:22,733
>>Dueling dates back 
to the Middle Ages

589
00:21:22,733 --> 00:21:25,000
when knights would 
resolve their differences

590
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,700
by engaging in mortal combat.

591
00:21:27,700 --> 00:21:31,100
These days, if you get into a 
public argument with someone,

592
00:21:31,100 --> 00:21:33,733
you settle the 
affair on Twitter,

593
00:21:33,733 --> 00:21:36,733
but it wasn't that long 
ago that matters of honor

594
00:21:36,733 --> 00:21:39,733
were settled with 
three simple words.

595
00:21:39,733 --> 00:21:41,700
Pistols at dawn.

596
00:21:43,166 --> 00:21:46,666
The first published code of 
dueling appeared in Ireland

597
00:21:46,666 --> 00:21:48,600
and established 
a series of rules

598
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:52,466
that noblemen could follow 
when settling matters of honor.

599
00:21:52,466 --> 00:21:55,400
During the 17th and 
early 18th centuries,

600
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,866
swords were the 
weapons of choice,

601
00:21:57,866 --> 00:21:59,800
but by the late 18th century,

602
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:03,866
duels were more commonly 
fought using pistols.

603
00:22:03,866 --> 00:22:05,700
Once a challenge was issued,

604
00:22:05,700 --> 00:22:07,900
it was difficult to turn down

605
00:22:07,900 --> 00:22:10,133
unless you wanted to 
be marked as a coward

606
00:22:10,133 --> 00:22:11,466
for the rest of your life.

607
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:17,966
A proper duel was a dignified 
affair and had strict rules.

608
00:22:19,133 --> 00:22:21,233
Participants would 
meet at a chosen spot,

609
00:22:21,233 --> 00:22:23,666
usually accompanied by a second,

610
00:22:23,666 --> 00:22:26,600
who would ensure the 
rules were followed.

611
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,300
The men would face 
their opponents

612
00:22:28,300 --> 00:22:32,666
at an agreed upon distance 
with loaded pistols in hand.

613
00:22:32,666 --> 00:22:35,166
Each party would fire one shot.

614
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,100
If neither was hit, and 
the challenger satisfied,

615
00:22:39,100 --> 00:22:41,133
the duel would be declared over

616
00:22:41,133 --> 00:22:44,133
with both men's 
honor still intact.

617
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,800
Dueling was popular in 
the Americas as well,

618
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,433
especially in the South.

619
00:22:51,433 --> 00:22:53,933
Andrew Jackson, our 
seventh president,

620
00:22:53,933 --> 00:22:55,666
fought dozens of duels,

621
00:22:55,666 --> 00:22:59,300
with some estimates 
as high as 100.

622
00:22:59,300 --> 00:23:01,533
But the most famous 
American duel

623
00:23:01,533 --> 00:23:04,533
was fought on July 11th, 1804,

624
00:23:04,533 --> 00:23:07,966
between Alexander 
Hamilton and Aaron Burr,

625
00:23:07,966 --> 00:23:11,066
two men who were 
long-time rivals.

626
00:23:11,066 --> 00:23:14,600
Many believe Hamilton never 
planned to aim at Burr

627
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,233
hoping instead to fire 
a shot into the air

628
00:23:17,233 --> 00:23:19,166
and resolve the 
matter peacefully,

629
00:23:20,166 --> 00:23:22,400
but Burr wasn't as merciful

630
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,733
and shot Hamilton 
in the stomach.

631
00:23:25,666 --> 00:23:28,000
The former secretary of treasury

632
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:32,033
and inspiration for one of 
Broadway's biggest musicals

633
00:23:32,033 --> 00:23:34,200
died the next day.

634
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:39,200
Duels continued, even among 
U.S. congressmen for decades.

635
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:40,900
It was only after the country

636
00:23:40,900 --> 00:23:45,000
endured four years of violence 
brought on by the Civil War

637
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,100
that the practice of 
dueling met its match.

638
00:23:53,300 --> 00:23:54,633
>>Matt is telling 
us where we're all

639
00:23:54,633 --> 00:23:56,900
gonna be picking and working,

640
00:23:56,900 --> 00:23:59,400
and, of course, I 
get the basement,

641
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,366
but this wasn't any 
ordinary basement.

642
00:24:03,666 --> 00:24:05,900
[Mike] So what 
happened here, Nick?

643
00:24:05,900 --> 00:24:07,966
>>This was the catchall room.

644
00:24:07,966 --> 00:24:10,500
Just, I guess, 
throwing stuff in here.

645
00:24:10,500 --> 00:24:13,066
>>As I understand 
it, this is the room

646
00:24:13,066 --> 00:24:15,200
that we are going to 
help you with declutter.

647
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,600
I know you guys have struggled 
with this room for awhile.

648
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,333
What has been the biggest 
challenge for you?

649
00:24:20,333 --> 00:24:22,566
>>I know there's 
treasures in here.

650
00:24:22,566 --> 00:24:24,233
Maybe you can help me with that.

651
00:24:24,233 --> 00:24:26,500
>>Libby had mentioned 
that seven generations

652
00:24:26,500 --> 00:24:28,000
had passed through this house,

653
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,400
so I was pretty certain 
we were gonna find things

654
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,066
that dated back 
hundreds of years,

655
00:24:32,066 --> 00:24:34,166
and sure enough, we did.

656
00:24:34,166 --> 00:24:37,133
[Mike] General George Rust.

657
00:24:37,133 --> 00:24:39,000
>>Oh, is that General 
George Rust's razor?

658
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,100
>>Pretty important 
name to your family.

659
00:24:40,100 --> 00:24:41,300
>>It's a big name.

660
00:24:41,300 --> 00:24:44,300
How about this painting? 
How do I get to it?

661
00:24:44,300 --> 00:24:47,466
>>This is what we see 
in attics and basements.

662
00:24:47,466 --> 00:24:50,366
Stuff gets tossed in 
here, and piled on top of.

663
00:24:50,366 --> 00:24:51,633
>>Take a look.

664
00:24:51,633 --> 00:24:53,266
>>Yeah, let's see 
what we got here.

665
00:24:53,266 --> 00:24:55,966
>>This is where we 
used to hang the hams.

666
00:24:55,966 --> 00:24:56,800
Right here.

667
00:24:58,266 --> 00:24:59,466
>>Why don't I go ahead and 
dust this off real quick?

668
00:24:59,466 --> 00:25:01,200
See what we're 
working with here.

669
00:25:03,566 --> 00:25:05,066
>>There he is.

670
00:25:05,066 --> 00:25:06,400
>>I'll tell you what, 
this is pretty cool.

671
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:07,366
>>Yeah.

672
00:25:07,366 --> 00:25:08,666
Is it a print? What is it?

673
00:25:08,666 --> 00:25:09,500
>>It's a print.

674
00:25:10,900 --> 00:25:13,466
I'm just trying to see if 
there's any kind of signature

675
00:25:13,466 --> 00:25:16,833
or a printer's mark on it, 
but I don't see anything,

676
00:25:16,833 --> 00:25:18,100
but it's beautiful.

677
00:25:18,100 --> 00:25:19,800
>>It is beautiful. 
I wanna hang this.

678
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,400
>>Yeah. Let's get it 
out of the basement

679
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:22,700
and get it to where 
people can see it.

680
00:25:22,700 --> 00:25:24,233
>>I think so.

681
00:25:24,233 --> 00:25:25,766
>>At this point, Nick, I'm 
gonna get my guys in here

682
00:25:25,766 --> 00:25:27,033
and we're gonna get started.

683
00:25:27,033 --> 00:25:27,866
>>Let's go for it.

684
00:25:27,866 --> 00:25:28,700
>>All right.

685
00:25:35,466 --> 00:25:36,766
>>I've worked on 
and off with Avi

686
00:25:36,766 --> 00:25:38,300
for over 20 years now.

687
00:25:38,300 --> 00:25:39,800
We were friends in high school.

688
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,466
And people think that he just 
is a cleaner and an expert.

689
00:25:42,466 --> 00:25:45,500
People don't realize that Avi 
is also an ordained minister,

690
00:25:45,500 --> 00:25:47,433
he is a community leader,

691
00:25:47,433 --> 00:25:50,800
and he does a lot with civil 
rights work in our town.

692
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,733
I wanted him to really tell 
me what his opinions were

693
00:25:53,733 --> 00:25:55,866
of the entire story 
of the property,

694
00:25:55,866 --> 00:25:58,700
not just the positive 
stuff in the house.

695
00:25:58,700 --> 00:26:01,066
So Avi, this was a working farm,

696
00:26:01,066 --> 00:26:03,700
for, gosh, almost 180 years.

697
00:26:05,166 --> 00:26:07,433
And obviously the 
people that did the work

698
00:26:07,433 --> 00:26:09,433
were enslaved people,

699
00:26:09,433 --> 00:26:11,666
and this is where they lived.

700
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:14,633
>>A lot of emotions.

701
00:26:14,633 --> 00:26:15,900
>>Yeah, like what?

702
00:26:17,133 --> 00:26:21,166
>>Just realizing that 
people who look like me,

703
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:24,833
through families,

704
00:26:26,566 --> 00:26:29,066
through pain, through suffering,

705
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,033
I'm thankful.

706
00:26:33,033 --> 00:26:37,400
I'm thankful and really 
grateful for what they did,

707
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:38,800
that they endured that,

708
00:26:39,966 --> 00:26:41,766
and I'm able to 
stand here today,

709
00:26:41,766 --> 00:26:46,766
talking with you as a 
black man, because of them.

710
00:26:48,166 --> 00:26:50,266
There are people still 
suffering because of this.

711
00:26:50,266 --> 00:26:51,500
>>Yes. Absolutely.

712
00:26:51,500 --> 00:26:53,700
>>And so we can't 
just let it go.

713
00:26:53,700 --> 00:26:56,666
We have to talk about it. We 
have to have this dialogue.

714
00:26:56,666 --> 00:26:59,900
>>So Libby really wants 
to know more about this.

715
00:26:59,900 --> 00:27:01,266
She wants to do more.

716
00:27:01,266 --> 00:27:03,466
She doesn't know what we can do.

717
00:27:03,466 --> 00:27:05,000
I'd like for you to 
sit down with her.

718
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,866
Would you be willing to sit 
with her and kinda help her?

719
00:27:07,866 --> 00:27:09,833
>>I would love to.

720
00:27:09,833 --> 00:27:12,033
The great thing about 
our work is the stories

721
00:27:12,033 --> 00:27:14,200
we learn about these families

722
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,100
and just having the opportunity

723
00:27:16,100 --> 00:27:19,000
to bring our own 
perspective to it.

724
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,100
So I'm really happy to 
hear that Libby's open

725
00:27:22,100 --> 00:27:24,200
to have that conversation,

726
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,200
understanding that 
it's a burden for her,

727
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,100
and I wanna be there to 
help talk her through it.

728
00:27:29,100 --> 00:27:31,900
>>We find history in 
people's attics and in their

729
00:27:31,900 --> 00:27:33,700
homes and this is history.

730
00:27:33,700 --> 00:27:34,866
>>Yeah.

731
00:27:34,866 --> 00:27:37,333
>>It's not comfortable, 
but it's history,

732
00:27:37,333 --> 00:27:40,533
and what I've learned from 
you is we gotta talk about it.

733
00:27:40,533 --> 00:27:41,766
>>We gotta talk about it.

734
00:27:45,966 --> 00:27:48,200
>>Most of my clients 
have held on to

735
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,400
either their wedding dress or 
their mother's wedding dress.

736
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,500
It's very sentimental. 
It reminds them of 
a very happy time.

737
00:27:54,500 --> 00:27:56,200
They hope that they'll 
be able to pass it down

738
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:57,733
to the next generation.

739
00:27:57,733 --> 00:28:00,666
That's what makes it harder 
to part with wedding dresses

740
00:28:00,666 --> 00:28:04,033
and why we find them being 
held on to so frequently.

741
00:28:05,466 --> 00:28:08,500
I felt really relieved that 
I found the wedding dress

742
00:28:08,500 --> 00:28:11,066
because I knew how 
important it was for Libby.

743
00:28:12,233 --> 00:28:14,300
The style that it was, 
the two piece style,

744
00:28:14,300 --> 00:28:15,900
is somewhat trendy these days,

745
00:28:15,900 --> 00:28:18,933
so it was really, really 
cool to see something

746
00:28:18,933 --> 00:28:21,233
from so long ago that 
is really relevant

747
00:28:21,233 --> 00:28:23,400
and kind of current 
right now to the trend.

748
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,966
>>No garment is 
scrutinized, stressed over,

749
00:28:27,966 --> 00:28:31,366
and envied more than 
the dress a bride wears

750
00:28:31,366 --> 00:28:33,433
on her wedding day.

751
00:28:33,433 --> 00:28:36,300
It's the centerpiece 
of an age old ritual

752
00:28:36,300 --> 00:28:39,666
with a history as colorful 
as a bridesmaid's bouquet.

753
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,833
Public marriages date back 
more than 4,000 years.

754
00:28:46,833 --> 00:28:49,066
Back then, wedding 
dresses were a way

755
00:28:49,066 --> 00:28:52,133
for a family to show 
off its social status.

756
00:28:52,133 --> 00:28:53,400
Weddings were less about

757
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,500
the bride making a 
fashion statement

758
00:28:55,500 --> 00:28:58,300
and more about the 
joining of two families,

759
00:28:58,300 --> 00:29:01,566
often strategic unions 
arranged by the parents.

760
00:29:02,933 --> 00:29:06,033
In Ancient Rome, marriages 
were an important social event,

761
00:29:06,033 --> 00:29:09,166
celebrated with large 
parties and feasts.

762
00:29:10,333 --> 00:29:13,566
Wedding dresses varied 
from culture to culture.

763
00:29:13,566 --> 00:29:16,133
In Spain, brides 
wear black dresses

764
00:29:16,133 --> 00:29:19,000
to show their 
devotion until death.

765
00:29:20,133 --> 00:29:22,700
Hindu ceremonies call 
for bright saris,

766
00:29:22,700 --> 00:29:24,900
often red with gold embroidery,

767
00:29:24,900 --> 00:29:29,200
symbolizing commitment, 
spirituality, and fertility.

768
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:30,666
The bride might also apply

769
00:29:30,666 --> 00:29:33,433
a dash of red Kakuma 
powder for good luck.

770
00:29:35,166 --> 00:29:38,433
As trade routes between 
Europe and the East opened up,

771
00:29:38,433 --> 00:29:41,833
a variety of new fabrics 
became available.

772
00:29:41,833 --> 00:29:45,433
So when did brides 
start wearing white?

773
00:29:45,433 --> 00:29:48,566
It was none other than 
Queen Victoria herself,

774
00:29:48,566 --> 00:29:51,166
who in 1840 kicked 
off the tradition

775
00:29:51,166 --> 00:29:53,600
of wearing white on 
your wedding day.

776
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,233
The practice quickly 
flourished amongst brides

777
00:29:56,233 --> 00:30:00,600
in high society, and 
the tradition was born.

778
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,100
The white wedding dress 
trend really took root

779
00:30:03,100 --> 00:30:06,433
with middle-class brides 
after World War II.

780
00:30:06,433 --> 00:30:07,700
The reason?

781
00:30:07,700 --> 00:30:09,733
Advanced laundry techniques

782
00:30:09,733 --> 00:30:12,766
ensured white 
dresses stayed white.

783
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,500
Wedding dresses today, 
like weddings themselves,

784
00:30:17,500 --> 00:30:20,300
come in all shapes and sizes.

785
00:30:20,300 --> 00:30:24,200
They've evolved from being 
a symbol of a family status

786
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:28,566
to an expression of the bride's 
individuality and style.

787
00:30:33,233 --> 00:30:34,166
>>You mind if we take a look

788
00:30:34,166 --> 00:30:35,500
in some of these other cabinets?

789
00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:36,466
>>Let me show you.

790
00:30:36,466 --> 00:30:38,066
>>This may be uranium glass.

791
00:30:38,066 --> 00:30:39,766
If it is true uranium glass,

792
00:30:39,766 --> 00:30:43,333
it has uranium to give 
it the green color.

793
00:30:44,666 --> 00:30:45,866
What do we have here?

794
00:30:45,866 --> 00:30:47,600
>>I think this is 
what Libby and I used

795
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,366
to cut our wedding cake with.

796
00:30:49,366 --> 00:30:50,600
>>Whoa, whoa, whoa,

797
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,633
you're telling me 
at your wedding

798
00:30:52,633 --> 00:30:55,300
in front of however 
many people were there,

799
00:30:56,500 --> 00:30:58,166
you pulled this out to 
cut the wedding cake?

800
00:30:58,166 --> 00:31:00,333
>>I did because my 
wife told me to.

801
00:31:01,966 --> 00:31:03,866
>>Was she holding the sword

802
00:31:03,866 --> 00:31:05,300
when she ordered you to do that?

803
00:31:05,300 --> 00:31:07,533
>>I think we were 
holding it together.

804
00:31:07,533 --> 00:31:09,000
>>That's amazing.

805
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,900
Whether it's by conversation 
or through your items,

806
00:31:11,900 --> 00:31:15,900
I'm really getting a better 
picture for just who you are.

807
00:31:15,900 --> 00:31:17,133
>>We like to have a 
little bit of fun,

808
00:31:17,133 --> 00:31:18,666
make people laugh.

809
00:31:18,666 --> 00:31:20,966
>>I think you underplay 
it a little bit.

810
00:31:20,966 --> 00:31:23,366
>>I can keep something 
like that around.

811
00:31:23,366 --> 00:31:26,033
We'll do it for our 
50th anniversary.

812
00:31:32,233 --> 00:31:33,866
>>Yeah. It's fun 
showing you around.

813
00:31:33,866 --> 00:31:35,666
>>Yeah, it's been great.

814
00:31:35,666 --> 00:31:37,800
I'm just amazed, I 
continue to be amazed

815
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,533
at how it just keeps 
going on and on and on.

816
00:31:40,533 --> 00:31:43,233
>>It does. It does.

817
00:31:43,233 --> 00:31:45,766
>>I will say every step of 
the way has been beautiful.

818
00:31:45,766 --> 00:31:48,333
What I love about what we do

819
00:31:48,333 --> 00:31:51,333
is, of course, 
helping them downsize

820
00:31:51,333 --> 00:31:54,566
with the physical 
stuff is always great,

821
00:31:54,566 --> 00:31:57,100
but also helping them 
work through the clutter

822
00:31:57,100 --> 00:31:58,666
that's keeping them 
from moving forward

823
00:31:58,666 --> 00:32:01,000
that's not just the stuff.

824
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,633
I feel like it's also 
part of who we are.

825
00:32:03,633 --> 00:32:07,433
So having a chance 
to sit with Libby

826
00:32:07,433 --> 00:32:12,033
and talk through some of that 
clutter, I consider a gift.

827
00:32:12,033 --> 00:32:17,000
When did you realize what was 
happening here at Rockland

828
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,100
in terms of having 
enslaved labor?

829
00:32:20,100 --> 00:32:22,633
>>Not 'till like maybe 
I was a teenager.

830
00:32:22,633 --> 00:32:25,700
When I used to come and 
visit my grandparents here,

831
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,433
we would stay in

832
00:32:29,433 --> 00:32:31,233
what they referred 
to as the quarters.

833
00:32:31,233 --> 00:32:32,500
And of course, as a little girl,

834
00:32:32,500 --> 00:32:35,100
I didn't know why it 
was named the quarters.

835
00:32:36,500 --> 00:32:39,200
And then we've always since 
called it the quarters,

836
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,233
and I don't even know 
if that's proper,

837
00:32:41,233 --> 00:32:45,166
that's really right to 
be calling it that still.

838
00:32:45,166 --> 00:32:46,800
>>How did that make 
you feel, though?

839
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,066
How did you feel 
when you realized

840
00:32:50,066 --> 00:32:51,933
that there were 
enslaved people here?

841
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:55,900
>>I guess a little ashamed

842
00:32:55,900 --> 00:32:59,033
not knowing what to do 
with that knowledge.

843
00:32:59,033 --> 00:33:00,866
It's sort of embarrassing.

844
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,533
But it's part of this place.

845
00:33:05,533 --> 00:33:07,166
I don't think a lot 
was said about it

846
00:33:07,166 --> 00:33:09,766
when I was growing up 
when I'd come visit here.

847
00:33:09,766 --> 00:33:11,000
>>Sure.

848
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:12,700
>>I don't think a 
lot was acknowledged

849
00:33:12,700 --> 00:33:17,433
about how horrible that was.

850
00:33:17,433 --> 00:33:18,700
>>Right.

851
00:33:18,700 --> 00:33:20,200
>>It was just sort 
of glazed over.

852
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,366
But knowing that there were 
people treated differently

853
00:33:25,466 --> 00:33:27,666
than the other people 
that lived here,

854
00:33:27,666 --> 00:33:31,200
and they were all living 
in the same place,

855
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,366
it's hurtful.

856
00:33:33,366 --> 00:33:35,366
It's not my values.

857
00:33:35,366 --> 00:33:39,133
>>I love what you said 
about acknowledgement.

858
00:33:39,133 --> 00:33:42,766
I think we're all in a 
space of acknowledgement.

859
00:33:42,766 --> 00:33:46,666
And you're wondering 
where and how,

860
00:33:46,666 --> 00:33:48,200
but you're starting right now.

861
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:49,400
>>Right.

862
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,900
>>It takes difficult 
conversations like this

863
00:33:51,900 --> 00:33:53,633
to move us forward collectively.

864
00:33:54,566 --> 00:33:56,933
>>My wheels are turning.

865
00:33:56,933 --> 00:34:00,366
I think it's the result 
of this show, actually,

866
00:34:00,366 --> 00:34:02,066
talking to Matt, talking to you.

867
00:34:02,066 --> 00:34:07,000
Maybe someday there can be 
conversations here at Rockland

868
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:11,366
with a diverse group of 
people to educate each other.

869
00:34:11,366 --> 00:34:14,066
>>I love the fact 
that you're open

870
00:34:14,066 --> 00:34:15,966
to bringing people together.

871
00:34:15,966 --> 00:34:17,200
>>Absolutely.

872
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:18,600
>>In a space that was 
so divisive, right?

873
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,866
I think that's the 
true way to heal.

874
00:34:20,866 --> 00:34:23,233
We have to address the pain,

875
00:34:23,233 --> 00:34:27,200
to know it's there, to 
know the wound does exist,

876
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,100
but begin to heal by 
having these conversations,

877
00:34:30,100 --> 00:34:33,500
and not just conversations, 
but building relationships.

878
00:34:33,500 --> 00:34:34,433
>>Connections, yeah.

879
00:34:34,433 --> 00:34:35,700
>>That we build connection.

880
00:34:35,700 --> 00:34:38,233
That we find likeness 
in each other.

881
00:34:40,033 --> 00:34:42,133
>>And we can learn 
from each other.

882
00:34:43,833 --> 00:34:45,333
>>I love that.

883
00:34:45,333 --> 00:34:47,400
What I understand about where 
we are today in this country

884
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,100
is there's a lot of brokenness.

885
00:34:49,100 --> 00:34:50,366
I run to that stuff.

886
00:34:51,266 --> 00:34:53,333
Those are the places I wanna be

887
00:34:53,333 --> 00:34:55,833
because that's where you 
can make a difference.

888
00:35:06,666 --> 00:35:08,200
>>Libby was right.

889
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,000
There was a time 
capsule in the attic.

890
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,200
This is basically 
Marine grade PVC pipe,

891
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:14,466
so it's gonna date it.

892
00:35:14,466 --> 00:35:16,033
It's not that old.

893
00:35:16,033 --> 00:35:17,400
>>Yeah, it couldn't be that old.

894
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,600
>>I mean, this is not a 
Civil War time capsule,

895
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,100
but who knows what's in it?

896
00:35:21,100 --> 00:35:22,366
>>I'll tell you with this 
family, you never know.

897
00:35:22,366 --> 00:35:24,133
>>Yeah. Let me get 
this thing open.

898
00:35:30,666 --> 00:35:33,300
I'm gonna let you 
help me out with this.

899
00:35:33,300 --> 00:35:35,566
I'm gonna loosen it up first.

900
00:35:35,566 --> 00:35:37,300
All right. You got it.

901
00:35:37,300 --> 00:35:38,200
>>I appreciate it.

902
00:35:42,966 --> 00:35:44,100
>>You need help?

903
00:35:44,100 --> 00:35:45,400
>>There we go.

904
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,233
>>All right, holy cow. 
>>Okay. Okay.

905
00:35:47,233 --> 00:35:48,466
>>Look at this.

906
00:35:48,466 --> 00:35:50,366
What their grandfather 
did is really cool.

907
00:35:50,366 --> 00:35:54,033
He took a lot of time putting 
all these things together.

908
00:35:54,033 --> 00:35:56,900
1969. First man to 
walk on the moon.

909
00:35:56,900 --> 00:35:58,733
I hope the next generation 
will appreciate all the work

910
00:35:58,733 --> 00:35:59,666
that he went to.

911
00:35:59,666 --> 00:36:02,166
To take the time to do all this.

912
00:36:02,166 --> 00:36:03,400
>>Oh!

913
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,533
>>The very last Sears catalog.

914
00:36:06,533 --> 00:36:07,966
>>Man.

915
00:36:07,966 --> 00:36:09,500
>>Now this is really cool

916
00:36:09,500 --> 00:36:11,566
'cause a lot of times I find 
the original Sears catalogs,

917
00:36:11,566 --> 00:36:13,100
your houses were built.

918
00:36:13,100 --> 00:36:16,133
You'd buy a kit from 
the Sears catalog.

919
00:36:16,133 --> 00:36:19,500
>>My whole Christmas came 
out of the Sears catalog.

920
00:36:19,500 --> 00:36:20,933
>>Oh, that's cool.

921
00:36:20,933 --> 00:36:23,366
It can slide. I know 
exactly what that is.

922
00:36:25,700 --> 00:36:27,333
>>That the casing?

923
00:36:27,333 --> 00:36:28,166
>>These are cool.

924
00:36:29,433 --> 00:36:31,166
Every good engineer 
would have one.

925
00:36:32,466 --> 00:36:33,966
Now I know nothing 
about this family,

926
00:36:33,966 --> 00:36:37,633
but man, the time capsule is 
making us know some stuff.

927
00:36:37,633 --> 00:36:40,400
>>This an education. This 
is definitely an education.

928
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:41,700
National Geographic.

929
00:36:42,633 --> 00:36:44,766
1993 was a significant year.

930
00:36:44,766 --> 00:36:47,100
>>This was just the year 
they decided to do it.

931
00:36:47,100 --> 00:36:48,766
Everything would've 
come out of this.

932
00:36:48,766 --> 00:36:52,300
>>You just see a whole 
family's entire history

933
00:36:52,300 --> 00:36:53,800
unfold right before your eyes.

934
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,300
What that means to 
us means something

935
00:36:56,300 --> 00:36:57,866
so totally different 
to the family.

936
00:36:57,866 --> 00:37:01,100
>>It makes me wanna go 
make one for my kids,

937
00:37:01,100 --> 00:37:02,166
for their kids.

938
00:37:02,166 --> 00:37:03,700
>>I was thinking about that too.

939
00:37:03,700 --> 00:37:04,800
>>This is really cool.

940
00:37:11,700 --> 00:37:13,900
[Matt] There's so much nice 
furniture and paintings

941
00:37:13,900 --> 00:37:15,600
in this house, I've 
got to bring Lex in.

942
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:16,900
Even though they're 
not selling this stuff,

943
00:37:16,900 --> 00:37:18,366
I still wanna know 
what it's worth,

944
00:37:18,366 --> 00:37:20,333
but, most importantly, I 
just need Lex to look at it

945
00:37:20,333 --> 00:37:22,266
so I know everything 
that's here.

946
00:37:23,866 --> 00:37:24,800
Lex.

947
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,333
>>Hey, man. How are you, dude?

948
00:37:26,333 --> 00:37:27,833
>>I'm well. 
>>Good to see you.

949
00:37:27,833 --> 00:37:29,566
>>This place is amazing 
>>It's amazing, isn't it?

950
00:37:29,566 --> 00:37:31,066
Rockland. It's incredible.

951
00:37:31,066 --> 00:37:35,500
This house is filled with 
lots of cool furniture,

952
00:37:35,500 --> 00:37:36,733
lots of old books.

953
00:37:36,733 --> 00:37:38,666
Every floor has a library.

954
00:37:38,666 --> 00:37:40,000
>>That's pretty amazing.

955
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,200
>>All right, I feel 
like we always start

956
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:43,900
>>with a clock.

957
00:37:43,900 --> 00:37:46,366
>>It's a beautiful form. 
It's a great clock.

958
00:37:46,366 --> 00:37:48,300
>>Is it George Fix?

959
00:37:48,300 --> 00:37:51,200
>>George Fix was a Reading, 
Pennsylvania clockmaker.

960
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,400
>>Nothing in this house 
is for sale really,

961
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:54,633
but if it was for sale,

962
00:37:54,633 --> 00:37:55,800
what would something 
like this go for?

963
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,000
>>Well, it's great 
size, great proportions,

964
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,633
great surface, known maker.

965
00:37:58,633 --> 00:38:01,566
Probably conservatively 
in the 15,000,

966
00:38:01,566 --> 00:38:04,400
maybe on a good day 
pushing into 20.

967
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:05,566
But it's a great piece.

968
00:38:06,733 --> 00:38:07,666
Now when I walked 
in the door, though,

969
00:38:07,666 --> 00:38:08,633
I saw something right away.

970
00:38:08,633 --> 00:38:09,766
>>You did? 
>>I did.

971
00:38:09,766 --> 00:38:11,666
And from a distance, 
I could tell

972
00:38:11,666 --> 00:38:13,166
what it related to artist-wise.

973
00:38:13,166 --> 00:38:14,133
>>Is it over there?

974
00:38:14,133 --> 00:38:15,366
>>It is. 
>>Alright.

975
00:38:15,366 --> 00:38:16,466
That's actually 
why I called you.

976
00:38:16,466 --> 00:38:17,666
>>Okay, cool. 
>>Let's go check it out.

977
00:38:17,666 --> 00:38:19,300
The family was very 
curious about an Inness.

978
00:38:19,300 --> 00:38:21,300
It was hanging up 
on the stairwell.

979
00:38:21,300 --> 00:38:23,133
And it's actually the first 
thing that Lex looked at.

980
00:38:23,133 --> 00:38:24,233
When he walked in 
the front door,

981
00:38:24,233 --> 00:38:25,633
I could see him peering at it.

982
00:38:25,633 --> 00:38:27,933
>>Right away, it 
has the earmarks

983
00:38:27,933 --> 00:38:29,166
of an artist named George Inness

984
00:38:29,166 --> 00:38:31,400
who was one of 
the more important

985
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,266
19th century landscape 
artists of the latter half.

986
00:38:34,266 --> 00:38:37,900
>>And there were five 
or six in this house.

987
00:38:37,900 --> 00:38:39,100
>>Really? 
>>At one time.

988
00:38:39,100 --> 00:38:41,300
>>Okay. 
>>So the family is curious.

989
00:38:41,300 --> 00:38:42,833
>>Right. 
>>Is this an Inness?

990
00:38:42,833 --> 00:38:44,033
>>Okay.

991
00:38:44,033 --> 00:38:45,233
The paintings of this 
particular period,

992
00:38:45,233 --> 00:38:47,266
which would be called 
American Tonalism,

993
00:38:47,266 --> 00:38:49,800
was influenced by the 
European Barbizon.

994
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,000
They tend to be 
very loosely painted

995
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,933
in comparison to the 
Hudson River School,

996
00:38:53,933 --> 00:38:55,033
which is where he started out.

997
00:38:55,033 --> 00:38:56,233
So tighter.

998
00:38:56,233 --> 00:38:57,166
>>Well, that's what 
I was wondering.

999
00:38:57,166 --> 00:38:58,333
So these aren't detailed.

1000
00:38:58,333 --> 00:38:59,866
>>They're not, and 
they're not meant to be.

1001
00:38:59,866 --> 00:39:01,933
It's supposed to be more 
of an atmospheric picture.

1002
00:39:01,933 --> 00:39:02,766
>>Stunning.

1003
00:39:02,766 --> 00:39:04,400
And I love the rainbow.

1004
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,400
>>Did you see if it was signed?

1005
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:07,900
>>I don't see the signature.

1006
00:39:07,900 --> 00:39:09,766
It's possible it's 
buried under here.

1007
00:39:09,766 --> 00:39:11,233
>>Sure, and that does happen.

1008
00:39:11,233 --> 00:39:14,066
>>Let's see what kind of 
markings are over here.

1009
00:39:14,066 --> 00:39:15,733
What do you see on the back?

1010
00:39:15,733 --> 00:39:18,166
>>Well, that's an 
early backboard.

1011
00:39:18,166 --> 00:39:19,566
What would probably be wise

1012
00:39:19,566 --> 00:39:21,500
is if we could get 
permission from the owners

1013
00:39:21,500 --> 00:39:23,100
to maybe take it 
out of the frame

1014
00:39:23,100 --> 00:39:25,133
and we might reveal 
a signature that...

1015
00:39:25,133 --> 00:39:27,033
It does look like 
it has slid down.

1016
00:39:27,033 --> 00:39:29,766
>>I'm really curious if 
there's a signature there.

1017
00:39:29,766 --> 00:39:31,000
We would need to go

1018
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,933
into a temperature 
controlled environment

1019
00:39:32,933 --> 00:39:37,466
to take it off of the frame 
to get 100% verification,

1020
00:39:37,466 --> 00:39:41,800
but every part of this 
painting added up for Lex.

1021
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,366
He's pretty confident 
it's an Inness.

1022
00:39:43,366 --> 00:39:45,100
What would something 
like this go for,

1023
00:39:45,100 --> 00:39:45,933
if it's an Inness?

1024
00:39:45,933 --> 00:39:47,300
>>If it's an Inness,

1025
00:39:47,300 --> 00:39:48,700
and if it's unsigned,

1026
00:39:48,700 --> 00:39:50,600
probably in this market,

1027
00:39:52,433 --> 00:39:54,100
20 to 30, between that range.

1028
00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:55,566
>>What if it's signed?

1029
00:39:55,566 --> 00:39:57,600
>>If it's signed, it could 
push a little harder.

1030
00:39:58,766 --> 00:40:00,900
>>I dig this. I know 
it is a library chair.

1031
00:40:00,900 --> 00:40:02,333
What do you know about 
something like this?

1032
00:40:02,333 --> 00:40:04,600
>>Okay, so this is a 
metamorphic library chair.

1033
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,533
So what you would do 
with something like this,

1034
00:40:06,533 --> 00:40:08,900
it'll have a latch, there we go,

1035
00:40:08,900 --> 00:40:10,333
and you bring it forward.

1036
00:40:11,733 --> 00:40:15,966
And so you would have not 
only a chair in your library,

1037
00:40:15,966 --> 00:40:18,200
but steps to climb 
up to the books

1038
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,200
that you couldn't reach. 
>>That's super cool.

1039
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:21,833
We've got three more floors.

1040
00:40:21,833 --> 00:40:24,733
>>I'll take a walk and see 
what the rest looks like.

1041
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:32,933
>>One of the items 
on the Legacy List

1042
00:40:32,933 --> 00:40:34,166
is actually for Nick.

1043
00:40:34,166 --> 00:40:36,600
Pulling a millstone 
out of the river.

1044
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,133
I didn't know how 
that was gonna work,

1045
00:40:38,133 --> 00:40:41,066
but I was really interested 
to see how it would play out.

1046
00:40:42,266 --> 00:40:43,700
>>So what's the best 
way for me to get...

1047
00:40:43,700 --> 00:40:45,200
I see it looks 
like a pretty high.

1048
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:46,700
>>It's pretty high. Yeah.

1049
00:40:46,700 --> 00:40:49,966
You go down to the river 
and there's a kayak there,

1050
00:40:49,966 --> 00:40:52,633
and then you're gonna 
have to go upstream a bit

1051
00:40:52,633 --> 00:40:54,333
and then come up the limestone.

1052
00:40:54,333 --> 00:40:55,766
>>So it's two lefts?

1053
00:40:55,766 --> 00:40:57,800
Kinda like Mount Everest. 
It's just two lefts.

1054
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,433
This is not something I 
was expecting, but why not?

1055
00:41:00,433 --> 00:41:01,766
It's kind of an 
adventure and let's go

1056
00:41:01,766 --> 00:41:03,300
and see if we can 
find this millstone.

1057
00:41:11,100 --> 00:41:12,966
Look at this. Gorgeous.

1058
00:41:14,966 --> 00:41:18,533
I feel like Jacques Cousteau 
pulling through the Amazon

1059
00:41:19,466 --> 00:41:21,900
looking for a stone table.

1060
00:41:21,900 --> 00:41:23,133
>>What's this chain for?

1061
00:41:23,133 --> 00:41:25,433
>>Well, I got the 
millstone hooked up.

1062
00:41:25,433 --> 00:41:26,666
>>You did?

1063
00:41:26,666 --> 00:41:29,266
>>Yeah. Spent all day 
yesterday hooking it up.

1064
00:41:29,266 --> 00:41:31,033
>>This is super cool.

1065
00:41:31,033 --> 00:41:33,333
>>Normally Matt is the 
one messing with us.

1066
00:41:33,333 --> 00:41:34,600
I think we're gonna use this

1067
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,400
as an opportunity 
to mess with him.

1068
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:37,466
>>Okay.

1069
00:41:37,466 --> 00:41:38,533
>>There's Ollie.

1070
00:41:39,500 --> 00:41:40,600
>>Hey, Matt!

1071
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:41,933
>>What's up, dudes?

1072
00:41:41,933 --> 00:41:43,166
>>How's it going, Matt?

1073
00:41:43,166 --> 00:41:45,033
>>It's a harrowing 
adventure, man.

1074
00:41:45,033 --> 00:41:47,400
>>I think you're almost there.

1075
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:48,633
>>What do you think, 
Nick? Is that too far?

1076
00:41:48,633 --> 00:41:49,933
>>Back up, back up.

1077
00:41:51,066 --> 00:41:52,500
>>Are you guys sure 
it's over here?

1078
00:41:52,500 --> 00:41:54,233
>>Yeah, absolutely.

1079
00:41:54,233 --> 00:41:56,366
You let us worry about 
spotting it, okay?

1080
00:41:57,700 --> 00:41:59,600
>>I'm on the shore 
here. I don't see it.

1081
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:00,533
>>No, no.

1082
00:42:00,533 --> 00:42:01,933
>>You went too far. Go back.

1083
00:42:01,933 --> 00:42:03,000
>>I kind of feel like

1084
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:05,966
maybe you guys know 
where this thing is.

1085
00:42:05,966 --> 00:42:07,533
>>Hey, Matt, I think 
it's right there.

1086
00:42:07,533 --> 00:42:08,366
>>I think I'm right at it.

1087
00:42:08,366 --> 00:42:09,666
>>Yeah. That's where.

1088
00:42:09,666 --> 00:42:10,700
>>That's where we're trying to

1089
00:42:10,700 --> 00:42:12,733
get you to go the whole time.

1090
00:42:12,733 --> 00:42:15,000
>>You see that vine, or 
that rope, I guess it is?

1091
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:15,833
>>Yeah.

1092
00:42:15,833 --> 00:42:16,900
>>That's tied to it.

1093
00:42:16,900 --> 00:42:18,700
>>That's tied to it!

1094
00:42:18,700 --> 00:42:21,966
I feel like Mike might've had 
some fun with me on this one.

1095
00:42:21,966 --> 00:42:23,433
So what do you 
want me to do here?

1096
00:42:23,433 --> 00:42:24,900
Just get out of the way and 
let you guys pull it up?

1097
00:42:24,900 --> 00:42:26,600
>>I guess. 
>>That would be great.

1098
00:42:28,966 --> 00:42:30,933
>>Fernando, let's go.

1099
00:42:30,933 --> 00:42:32,200
Mike,

1100
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,200
he may not hear me, 
so I'll talk to you

1101
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,233
and then you talk to him. 
>>Okay. Got it.

1102
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,333
>>Okay! We got it all hooked up.

1103
00:42:48,333 --> 00:42:49,566
We're ready to go, okay?

1104
00:42:49,566 --> 00:42:52,433
>>Let's do it. Here we go.

1105
00:42:52,433 --> 00:42:54,600
[Nick] There it is. 
>>It's a beauty.

1106
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,300
>>It's like a shark coming 
out of the water, man.

1107
00:42:56,300 --> 00:42:57,700
>>Yeah, I think this tractor

1108
00:42:57,700 --> 00:42:59,133
just blows through everything.

1109
00:42:59,133 --> 00:42:59,966
>>Yeah.

1110
00:43:00,900 --> 00:43:02,733
Just went right past that rock.

1111
00:43:02,733 --> 00:43:03,966
>>What does that 
next rock look like?

1112
00:43:03,966 --> 00:43:06,766
>>Oh, it's gonna 
pull it right off.

1113
00:43:06,766 --> 00:43:07,600
There it is.

1114
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,866
It's gorgeous. I can 
see why you want it.

1115
00:43:12,866 --> 00:43:14,600
>>Yeah. 
>>Beautiful.

1116
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:15,700
>>Keep it going!

1117
00:43:21,100 --> 00:43:22,033
>>Alright.

1118
00:43:24,766 --> 00:43:25,800
That's awesome.

1119
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,000
>>I think my job is done.

1120
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,166
>>Hey, man, we got it! 
>>We did it!

1121
00:43:30,566 --> 00:43:32,966
>>True leader knows when 
to lead and when to follow.

1122
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,033
>>What does this 
moment mean for you?

1123
00:43:36,033 --> 00:43:38,433
>>It's quite 
gratifying. I love it.

1124
00:43:38,433 --> 00:43:40,866
It's been down there for 
five years about, I think.

1125
00:43:40,866 --> 00:43:43,300
Seeing it, it's taunted 
me, and we did it.

1126
00:43:43,300 --> 00:43:46,033
>>This will be one that we 
talk about for a long time.

1127
00:43:46,033 --> 00:43:47,133
>>Okay, good.

1128
00:43:53,500 --> 00:43:57,100
>>I think Libby wanted 
to find this diary.

1129
00:43:57,100 --> 00:44:00,533
I think Libby was looking for 
any type of words of wisdom.

1130
00:44:00,533 --> 00:44:03,766
Ida Lee essentially 
saved the farm,

1131
00:44:03,766 --> 00:44:08,066
and that's what Libby is 
wondering if she should do now.

1132
00:44:08,066 --> 00:44:09,900
Are you having any 
luck over there?

1133
00:44:09,900 --> 00:44:10,733
>>I wish I was.

1134
00:44:13,066 --> 00:44:14,966
In a house that large,

1135
00:44:14,966 --> 00:44:17,100
it's like finding a 
needle in a haystack.

1136
00:44:17,100 --> 00:44:18,366
>>Ooh.

1137
00:44:18,366 --> 00:44:19,766
>>This house keeps 
going and going.

1138
00:44:19,766 --> 00:44:22,966
>>It does. There's a 
room for every occasion.

1139
00:44:22,966 --> 00:44:25,066
I mean, there's so 
many places that things

1140
00:44:25,066 --> 00:44:28,666
could be stowed away and hidden 
and just forgotten about.

1141
00:44:28,666 --> 00:44:31,633
There's nooks and crannies. 
There's drawers everywhere.

1142
00:44:31,633 --> 00:44:32,566
>>Treasure hunt.

1143
00:44:32,566 --> 00:44:33,966
>>Look at all these portraits.

1144
00:44:35,700 --> 00:44:38,733
I wonder how long they had to 
sit to be painted like that?

1145
00:44:38,733 --> 00:44:41,233
They had to hold that 
facial expression.

1146
00:44:41,233 --> 00:44:42,600
>>Yeah.

1147
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:44,866
>>Ah, the portrait painting.

1148
00:44:44,866 --> 00:44:46,366
For hundreds of years,

1149
00:44:46,366 --> 00:44:48,966
no self-respecting 
member of society

1150
00:44:48,966 --> 00:44:51,566
would ever think of 
not having a painting

1151
00:44:51,566 --> 00:44:54,333
of a dead relative hanging 
somewhere in their house.

1152
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,900
The more important the relative,

1153
00:44:57,900 --> 00:44:59,533
the more prominent 
the placement.

1154
00:45:01,700 --> 00:45:03,966
The practice of 
immortalizing oneself

1155
00:45:03,966 --> 00:45:06,566
dates back to Ancient Egypt.

1156
00:45:06,566 --> 00:45:10,200
Rulers were commonly 
depicted on stone or clay

1157
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,033
in a highly stylized way

1158
00:45:12,033 --> 00:45:14,766
that rarely looked 
anything like them.

1159
00:45:15,900 --> 00:45:18,133
The Greeks and Romans 
honored their dead

1160
00:45:18,133 --> 00:45:21,300
with lifelike busts 
made out of stone.

1161
00:45:21,300 --> 00:45:23,766
It wasn't until the Middle Ages

1162
00:45:23,766 --> 00:45:26,466
that portraits 
began to take hold.

1163
00:45:26,466 --> 00:45:30,166
Rich donors would pay artists 
to paint their likenesses,

1164
00:45:30,166 --> 00:45:34,166
usually in frescoes or on 
paneled blocks of wood.

1165
00:45:35,566 --> 00:45:38,266
Portrait painting flourished 
during the Renaissance.

1166
00:45:38,266 --> 00:45:39,933
And it wasn't just nobility.

1167
00:45:41,033 --> 00:45:43,400
Everyone was getting 
in on the act,

1168
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:47,300
including a shy acquaintance 
of Leonardo da Vinci

1169
00:45:47,300 --> 00:45:49,800
by the name of Lisa.

1170
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,833
Da Vinci reportedly worked 
on his masterpiece for years,

1171
00:45:53,833 --> 00:45:57,400
which might explain 
the expression on 
his subject's face.

1172
00:45:58,900 --> 00:46:00,566
By the 18th century,

1173
00:46:00,566 --> 00:46:04,566
anyone who was anyone had 
their portrait painted,

1174
00:46:04,566 --> 00:46:07,766
from members of the Royal 
Family, to military leaders,

1175
00:46:07,766 --> 00:46:09,366
and titans of business.

1176
00:46:10,433 --> 00:46:13,000
Portraits were 
realistic and well lit

1177
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,233
and usually depicted the subject

1178
00:46:15,233 --> 00:46:17,600
wearing the latest 
fashion of the day.

1179
00:46:19,100 --> 00:46:21,400
Portraits were and still are

1180
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,800
a symbol of power 
and immortality.

1181
00:46:24,933 --> 00:46:27,233
Every president since 
George Washington

1182
00:46:27,233 --> 00:46:29,333
has had their portrait painted,

1183
00:46:29,333 --> 00:46:31,466
not without controversy.

1184
00:46:31,466 --> 00:46:33,100
When Teddy Roosevelt's family

1185
00:46:33,100 --> 00:46:36,566
said his looked 
like a mewing cat,

1186
00:46:36,566 --> 00:46:38,333
he had the painting destroyed

1187
00:46:38,333 --> 00:46:41,000
and commissioned a new artist.

1188
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,166
Herbert Hoover's 
portrait was completed

1189
00:46:43,166 --> 00:46:46,733
23 years after he left office.

1190
00:46:46,733 --> 00:46:49,333
John Kennedy's after 
he was assassinated.

1191
00:46:50,833 --> 00:46:54,133
But thanks to the power 
of portrait painting,

1192
00:46:54,133 --> 00:46:57,900
immortality is just 
a brush stroke away.

1193
00:47:01,333 --> 00:47:03,066
>>All right, Lex, 
why are we back here?

1194
00:47:03,066 --> 00:47:05,533
>>We are back here, 
as you suggested,

1195
00:47:05,533 --> 00:47:08,066
for me to walk around and 
look closer at everything.

1196
00:47:08,066 --> 00:47:11,266
I wanted to know the 
origins where it comes from,

1197
00:47:11,266 --> 00:47:13,566
and most of the time 
when we are doing

1198
00:47:13,566 --> 00:47:17,600
attributions of region, 
we're basing it on the woods.

1199
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,166
Not woods like the 
mahogany or walnut

1200
00:47:20,166 --> 00:47:21,700
that are used on the exterior,

1201
00:47:21,700 --> 00:47:24,666
but what's on the interiors, 
called the secondary woods.

1202
00:47:24,666 --> 00:47:26,933
And initially I took a 
look at these drawers

1203
00:47:26,933 --> 00:47:28,433
and I looked at the woods,

1204
00:47:28,433 --> 00:47:31,600
and I was vacillating 
between a couple of woods,

1205
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,133
and it turns out it's cypress,

1206
00:47:33,133 --> 00:47:35,833
which means North Carolina, 
South Carolina, and Georgia.

1207
00:47:35,833 --> 00:47:37,433
Kind of exciting.

1208
00:47:37,433 --> 00:47:39,400
Furniture of this type 
of the southern states

1209
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,133
is fairly rare.

1210
00:47:41,133 --> 00:47:43,200
So I took the piece 
apart even more,

1211
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,433
and on the top of 
this secretary part,

1212
00:47:45,433 --> 00:47:50,433
it says Isaac Coleman made 
and sold August 25th of 1809.

1213
00:47:51,166 --> 00:47:52,433
>>This is 210 years old?

1214
00:47:52,433 --> 00:47:53,966
>>Yeah. 210 years old.

1215
00:47:53,966 --> 00:47:58,800
Between the intricate inlay 
and the marquetry shell,

1216
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,500
there's some burl inlay.

1217
00:48:00,500 --> 00:48:03,733
It's a great piece of 
North Carolina furniture.

1218
00:48:03,733 --> 00:48:05,366
>>So obviously they're not 
gonna sell the furniture,

1219
00:48:05,366 --> 00:48:07,733
but if they were trying to sell 
it, what would this go for?

1220
00:48:07,733 --> 00:48:09,433
>>So I talked to 
some colleagues,

1221
00:48:09,433 --> 00:48:12,933
and, conservatively, I think 
a 30 to $50,000 estimate

1222
00:48:12,933 --> 00:48:14,200
would be appropriate.

1223
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,466
If it went to auction, 
it could do very well.

1224
00:48:21,633 --> 00:48:24,133
>>We've given Libby 
and Nick a headstart.

1225
00:48:26,166 --> 00:48:27,366
We got the attic cleaned out.

1226
00:48:27,366 --> 00:48:29,200
We got some of the 
basement cleaned out.

1227
00:48:30,333 --> 00:48:31,800
Finally, we're gonna 
get to sit down

1228
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:33,333
and go through the Legacy List.

1229
00:48:35,466 --> 00:48:37,866
[Matt] Normally we're here 
to clean the house out,

1230
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:40,800
and we didn't do that this week.

1231
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,000
So the last couple of days,

1232
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,800
we did declutter some 
rooms in the attic

1233
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,600
and we cleaned out some of 
the rooms in the basement.

1234
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,133
>>That's great, 
yeah. Get me started.

1235
00:48:49,133 --> 00:48:50,833
>>A little bit.

1236
00:48:50,833 --> 00:48:55,833
You physically carry this 
weight on you on a daily basis.

1237
00:48:56,300 --> 00:48:57,100
>>Yeah.

1238
00:48:57,100 --> 00:48:58,866
>>It's so obvious.

1239
00:48:58,866 --> 00:48:59,866
>>Yeah.

1240
00:48:59,866 --> 00:49:01,533
It's kind of like...

1241
00:49:01,533 --> 00:49:05,366
Well, we always joke that 
we don't own Rockland,

1242
00:49:05,366 --> 00:49:07,233
Rockland owns us.

1243
00:49:07,233 --> 00:49:08,833
>>And it does. I've seen that.

1244
00:49:08,833 --> 00:49:10,633
>>Just all encompassing.

1245
00:49:10,633 --> 00:49:13,433
>>Nick is able to 
enjoy this place.

1246
00:49:13,433 --> 00:49:14,533
>>True. I do.

1247
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,666
>>Nick could have fun 
in a cardboard box.

1248
00:49:18,666 --> 00:49:19,566
I've learned that.

1249
00:49:19,566 --> 00:49:20,500
>>That's true.

1250
00:49:20,500 --> 00:49:22,600
>>But I feel the weight for you.

1251
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,600
And the hardest part 
about downsizing,

1252
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,400
to me, it's the fear.

1253
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,300
If I stay, what do I miss?

1254
00:49:29,300 --> 00:49:31,766
If I go, what do I miss?

1255
00:49:33,100 --> 00:49:35,200
We're gonna go through 
the Legacy List,

1256
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:39,200
and my hopes is that we 
can just plant that seed

1257
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,333
and help you kinda figure out 
where you're gonna go next.

1258
00:49:41,333 --> 00:49:45,100
So the first item on the Legacy 
List was the wedding dress.

1259
00:49:45,100 --> 00:49:46,700
>>Right.

1260
00:49:46,700 --> 00:49:48,100
Whoa. Whoa.

1261
00:49:48,100 --> 00:49:50,100
>>I find wedding 
dresses every day.

1262
00:49:50,100 --> 00:49:52,033
>>Really? 
>>And almost everybody.

1263
00:49:52,033 --> 00:49:54,133
But this one's a little special

1264
00:49:54,133 --> 00:49:56,766
because of how big a 
deal weddings have been

1265
00:49:56,766 --> 00:49:57,666
on this property.

1266
00:49:57,666 --> 00:49:59,833
>>Absolutely. Yeah.

1267
00:49:59,833 --> 00:50:01,500
>>I love that.

1268
00:50:01,500 --> 00:50:02,900
>>Yeah, I do too.

1269
00:50:02,900 --> 00:50:05,000
This is my great grandmother's

1270
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,200
on my father's mother's side.

1271
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,866
So her favorite flower 
was the black-eyed Susan

1272
00:50:11,866 --> 00:50:15,333
and these embroidered 
flowers are,

1273
00:50:15,333 --> 00:50:19,033
I think it's supposed to 
represent the black-eyed Susan.

1274
00:50:19,033 --> 00:50:20,666
>>Well, it's gorgeous.

1275
00:50:20,666 --> 00:50:24,533
>>Look at the Victorian 
neck line. Wow.

1276
00:50:24,533 --> 00:50:25,900
>>How does it make you feel?

1277
00:50:25,900 --> 00:50:27,800
There's no wrong answer. 
>>Special.

1278
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,233
It's like a thing that I've 
been wondering where it was

1279
00:50:30,233 --> 00:50:32,266
and it's so great 
to have it back.

1280
00:50:32,266 --> 00:50:34,100
Now I wanna display it.

1281
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,600
>>This next item was 
really cool for me.

1282
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:45,600
It is absolutely an 
awesome time capsule.

1283
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,766
A time capsule's supposed 
give you a look back in time.

1284
00:50:49,766 --> 00:50:52,500
It wasn't the 
1800s. It was 1993.

1285
00:50:52,500 --> 00:50:55,300
Avi and I both actually 
graduated from high 
school in 1993,

1286
00:50:55,300 --> 00:50:57,733
so we got to go through 
this time capsule.

1287
00:50:57,733 --> 00:50:58,566
Man.

1288
00:50:58,566 --> 00:51:00,866
There were VHS tapes.

1289
00:51:00,866 --> 00:51:02,133
>>Oh, yeah. Interesting.

1290
00:51:02,133 --> 00:51:03,633
>>There were lots 
of different things.

1291
00:51:03,633 --> 00:51:06,333
The thing I loved the most 
was the Sears catalog.

1292
00:51:07,733 --> 00:51:10,366
By the way, 
intricately detailed.

1293
00:51:10,366 --> 00:51:11,900
Everything is labeled.

1294
00:51:11,900 --> 00:51:15,000
Everything is wrapped in saran 
wrap or protective plastic.

1295
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,566
There's even a catalog of 
every item that is in here.

1296
00:51:18,566 --> 00:51:21,433
Although, it's not that 
long ago, a lot has changed.

1297
00:51:21,433 --> 00:51:22,666
>>Yeah.

1298
00:51:22,666 --> 00:51:25,133
>>If the goal was to set 
out with his grandson

1299
00:51:25,133 --> 00:51:28,366
to do a project that gave 
us a glimpse back in time,

1300
00:51:28,366 --> 00:51:30,266
they absolutely achieved it.

1301
00:51:30,266 --> 00:51:32,333
>>That's great. That's amazing.

1302
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:36,166
>>When I came to visit,

1303
00:51:36,166 --> 00:51:37,566
the first time I 
walked in this house,

1304
00:51:37,566 --> 00:51:38,966
first thing I saw

1305
00:51:38,966 --> 00:51:41,933
was that beautiful 
painting on the stairwell.

1306
00:51:41,933 --> 00:51:42,966
Possibly Inness.

1307
00:51:42,966 --> 00:51:44,466
>>Right.

1308
00:51:44,466 --> 00:51:47,033
>>I had to bring in 
one of my top experts.

1309
00:51:47,033 --> 00:51:48,533
Lex came in.

1310
00:51:48,533 --> 00:51:51,800
He was drawn so 
quickly to that Inness.

1311
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:53,366
He's like, I know what that is.

1312
00:51:53,366 --> 00:51:54,566
>>Really? 
>>Yeah?

1313
00:51:54,566 --> 00:51:56,400
>>He knew. He said 
it's gotta be.

1314
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:57,633
And it wasn't, by the way,

1315
00:51:57,633 --> 00:51:59,433
I thought the rainbow 
would be the reason.

1316
00:51:59,433 --> 00:52:00,633
>>Yeah.

1317
00:52:00,633 --> 00:52:02,166
>>It's not. It's the 
specific brush strokes.

1318
00:52:02,166 --> 00:52:03,933
>>Oh, interesting. Wow.

1319
00:52:03,933 --> 00:52:06,366
>>He said that's an Inness 
and it's probably not signed.

1320
00:52:06,366 --> 00:52:09,200
He said the typical brush 
strokes that are on that

1321
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:10,333
was later in his career.

1322
00:52:10,333 --> 00:52:11,600
He was a very prolific painter.

1323
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:13,900
So by the end, he 
stopped signing them.

1324
00:52:13,900 --> 00:52:15,200
>>Oh, okay.

1325
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,200
>>He would like to 
get it off the frame,

1326
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,933
but we were at about 99% 
that that's an Inness.

1327
00:52:20,933 --> 00:52:22,166
>>Wow.

1328
00:52:22,166 --> 00:52:24,200
>>And it's a really, 
really nice painting.

1329
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:25,866
>>I almost didn't 
wanna show it to you

1330
00:52:25,866 --> 00:52:27,900
because I was afraid 
you were gonna say

1331
00:52:27,900 --> 00:52:29,566
it's not an Inness.

1332
00:52:29,566 --> 00:52:31,166
>>He said he'd be 
shocked if it wasn't.

1333
00:52:31,166 --> 00:52:33,233
>>Really? That's 
exciting for me.

1334
00:52:33,233 --> 00:52:34,066
>>Wow.

1335
00:52:35,033 --> 00:52:36,533
>>He's one of my favorites.

1336
00:52:36,533 --> 00:52:38,666
>>Yeah. You love the 
Hudson River painters.

1337
00:52:38,666 --> 00:52:40,300
>>Well, yeah.

1338
00:52:40,300 --> 00:52:41,766
>>But that's a beautiful piece,

1339
00:52:41,766 --> 00:52:44,000
and I think that's came 
from the ancestors, correct?

1340
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:45,466
>>Yes, yes.

1341
00:52:45,466 --> 00:52:46,700
Yes, absolutely.

1342
00:52:46,700 --> 00:52:47,966
That was here.

1343
00:52:47,966 --> 00:52:49,333
>>It's always been here.

1344
00:52:49,333 --> 00:52:50,266
[Nick] It was up in the attic.

1345
00:52:50,266 --> 00:52:51,433
>>You knew it was in the attic.

1346
00:52:52,566 --> 00:52:54,100
So beautiful piece.

1347
00:52:54,100 --> 00:52:57,333
As much grief as I've given 
you for this being a museum,

1348
00:52:57,333 --> 00:52:58,433
it kinda is.

1349
00:52:58,433 --> 00:52:59,366
>>Yeah.

1350
00:52:59,366 --> 00:53:00,433
>>You got stuff that needs to be

1351
00:53:00,433 --> 00:53:02,266
in museums in this house,

1352
00:53:02,266 --> 00:53:03,866
which is really, really awesome.

1353
00:53:06,466 --> 00:53:09,900
[Matt] I wanna go to my 
last Legacy List item,

1354
00:53:09,900 --> 00:53:13,066
which is, I think, your 
hero, Ida Lee Rust.

1355
00:53:13,066 --> 00:53:14,333
>>Yes.

1356
00:53:14,333 --> 00:53:15,633
>>She's kind of the 
hero of this property.

1357
00:53:15,633 --> 00:53:17,333
>>Yeah. 
>>She saved it.

1358
00:53:17,333 --> 00:53:20,400
>>She did. She got 
it out of debt.

1359
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:21,833
>>She did as a 
single mom, right?

1360
00:53:21,833 --> 00:53:23,233
>>Single mom. Yeah.

1361
00:53:23,233 --> 00:53:26,200
She educated all 14 children.

1362
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:27,733
>>All right, here is a picture

1363
00:53:27,733 --> 00:53:30,266
that we found of Ida Lee.

1364
00:53:30,266 --> 00:53:32,100
>>Wow.

1365
00:53:32,100 --> 00:53:33,033
Wow.

1366
00:53:34,433 --> 00:53:37,233
>>And then here is a picture 
of Ida with her family,

1367
00:53:38,333 --> 00:53:39,766
with all of her kids.

1368
00:53:39,766 --> 00:53:41,033
>>Oh, yeah.

1369
00:53:41,033 --> 00:53:42,566
And that's all the kids?

1370
00:53:42,566 --> 00:53:43,933
>>That's a lot of the kids. 
>>Or at least some of them

1371
00:53:43,933 --> 00:53:45,600
>>It's a full batch.

1372
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,000
>>We gotta frame these. 
I mean, that's great.

1373
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:51,766
>>I loved your 
connection to Ida.

1374
00:53:51,766 --> 00:53:53,500
You're kind of in the 
Ida Lee situation,

1375
00:53:53,500 --> 00:53:56,266
not as bad as death and a war,

1376
00:53:56,266 --> 00:53:58,533
but are you gonna 
save the place or not?

1377
00:53:58,533 --> 00:54:01,600
>>Well, that's what I 
keep praying to all my

1378
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:05,866
ancestors her is a big one of 
them, saying help me out here.

1379
00:54:05,866 --> 00:54:07,566
>>I get why we're 
looking for words

1380
00:54:07,566 --> 00:54:08,733
of wisdom from Ida Lee.

1381
00:54:08,733 --> 00:54:10,233
>>Yeah. 
>>Okay.

1382
00:54:10,233 --> 00:54:12,033
[Matt] I wasn't able to 
find those words of wisdom,

1383
00:54:12,033 --> 00:54:14,566
but I was able to find 
some words of wisdom.

1384
00:54:16,066 --> 00:54:18,433
Here is a letter from a cousin

1385
00:54:18,433 --> 00:54:20,633
on the Lee side of your family.

1386
00:54:20,633 --> 00:54:23,666
I want you to read this 
sentence right here for me.

1387
00:54:23,666 --> 00:54:26,533
>>I do not like to 
take the responsibility

1388
00:54:26,533 --> 00:54:29,500
of urging an immediate 
sale of Rockland,

1389
00:54:29,500 --> 00:54:33,166
and yet I do not see 
what else can be done.

1390
00:54:34,566 --> 00:54:36,900
The estate is getting 
deeper and deeper in debt.

1391
00:54:38,066 --> 00:54:40,633
Now the interest, 
taxes, and insurance

1392
00:54:40,633 --> 00:54:43,000
takes all the place can make,

1393
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,166
so there's nothing 
left for the family

1394
00:54:45,166 --> 00:54:47,700
but to borrow more 
money to live on.

1395
00:54:47,700 --> 00:54:50,333
This cannot go on 
very long, you know.

1396
00:54:51,466 --> 00:54:52,933
>>What's the date on that?

1397
00:54:52,933 --> 00:54:54,233
>>1889.

1398
00:54:54,233 --> 00:54:56,600
December, 1889.

1399
00:54:56,600 --> 00:55:00,633
>>So 1889, someone is 
really having the same

1400
00:55:00,633 --> 00:55:03,366
discussion that you're 
having right now.

1401
00:55:03,366 --> 00:55:06,000
I covered up the 
date on this letter

1402
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,433
because I wanted Libby 
to see that the ancestors

1403
00:55:09,433 --> 00:55:13,166
that she admires so much 
had the exact same struggles

1404
00:55:13,166 --> 00:55:14,700
that she has today.

1405
00:55:14,700 --> 00:55:17,866
It's not Ida Lee's words. 
That's well after Ida Lee.

1406
00:55:18,933 --> 00:55:20,166
>>Yeah.

1407
00:55:20,166 --> 00:55:21,500
>>But this is a 
hard thing to do.

1408
00:55:22,500 --> 00:55:23,900
This burden you're carrying,

1409
00:55:25,033 --> 00:55:26,966
it's not just yours.

1410
00:55:26,966 --> 00:55:28,966
It's been going on a long time.

1411
00:55:30,866 --> 00:55:33,233
I think this place is 
amazing and it's changed me

1412
00:55:33,233 --> 00:55:35,700
in the few short 
days I was here.

1413
00:55:36,733 --> 00:55:40,100
>>Maybe with my girls here,

1414
00:55:40,100 --> 00:55:41,766
I thought, well, 
maybe there's ways

1415
00:55:41,766 --> 00:55:46,066
that we could have Rockland 
be some type of place

1416
00:55:46,066 --> 00:55:49,300
for discussion with 
different people

1417
00:55:49,300 --> 00:55:53,633
and educate and 
eliminate divisiveness.

1418
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:55,733
>>You are downsizing, 
you're still

1419
00:55:55,733 --> 00:55:56,966
at the beginning of it,

1420
00:55:56,966 --> 00:56:00,366
which is absolutely 
the hardest part.

1421
00:56:00,366 --> 00:56:03,333
Deciding what to do and 
deciding where to go.

1422
00:56:03,333 --> 00:56:05,266
Sometimes people decide to stay.

1423
00:56:06,666 --> 00:56:08,900
I mean, you could still 
have a long happy life here,

1424
00:56:08,900 --> 00:56:10,166
but you need help to do it.

1425
00:56:10,166 --> 00:56:11,433
>>Absolutely.

1426
00:56:11,433 --> 00:56:12,633
>>And if that's the 
choice that was made

1427
00:56:12,633 --> 00:56:14,666
in your downsizing 
process, then awesome.

1428
00:56:15,833 --> 00:56:17,433
And you might also 
decide in two years,

1429
00:56:17,433 --> 00:56:18,966
you know what, we're leaving.

1430
00:56:20,033 --> 00:56:20,966
And that's okay too.

1431
00:56:22,100 --> 00:56:23,466
Well, we hope we 
helped a little bit.

1432
00:56:23,466 --> 00:56:24,966
>>You did.

1433
00:56:24,966 --> 00:56:26,366
>>And when you do wanna 
clean out the rest of the

1434
00:56:26,366 --> 00:56:27,800
room, give us a call.

1435
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:29,633
I got a lot of friends 
that can help you.

1436
00:56:29,633 --> 00:56:31,733
We'll do episode 
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1437
00:56:39,100 --> 00:56:40,366
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