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 San Antonio is a fast growing

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 fast moving community with

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 something new happening every

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 day.

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 That's why each week we go on

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 the ride with the newsmakers who

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 are driving this change.

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 Then we gather at the reporters

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 roundtable to talk about the

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 latest news stories with the

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 journalists behind those

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 stories.

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 Join us now as we go on.

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 Welcome to a special edition

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 full hour on the record.

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 I'm PJ made over the past week

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 San Antonio has seen two

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 protests turned violent.

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 The intention of the gatherings

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 to protest racial injustice and

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 to elicit change after the

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 murder of George Floyd an

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 unarmed black man by a police

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 officer in Minneapolis.

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 Locally the protests have

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 started peacefully but then

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 turned violent with looting and

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 vandalism downtown.

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 Mayor Ron Nurenberg joins us.

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 Mayor what is your main concern

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 right now.

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 Well my main concern is that the

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 message of reform and justice

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 that people are peacefully

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 demonstrating for across the

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 across the country is lost amid

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 instigation and in devolving

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 into violence which really

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 detracts from the message.

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 You know we have a number of

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 underlying conditions in this

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 country that have exacerbated

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 the frustrations that we're

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 seeing in all aspects of society

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 and racism and institutional

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 racism is one of them.

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 And so that's an issue that we

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 have to focus a generation on.

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 And you know when when we see

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 demonstrations of movement

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 across the country like this we

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 want to take advantage of that

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 and create change.

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 And that's what I hope happens.

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 What does change look like from

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 the city's perspective.

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 To me that is a pursuit of

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 racial equity and of course that

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 has a lot to do with every

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 aspect of society from how we

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 deal with issues of access to

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 education and workforce how we

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 deal with services and equitable

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 delivery of services but it also

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 deals with police community

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 relations and that's what you're

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 seeing the focus of this on and

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 obviously that is a an issue

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 that has been unsolved for so

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 many years across every urban

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 city in the country.

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 What are your interactions been

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 like with the police department

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 and city management as they're

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 trying to respond to this tense

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 situation.

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 You know I have to give a lot of

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 credit to our city management

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 our San Antonio Police

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 Department Chief McManus but

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 also the community around us.

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 I mean if you look at across San

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 Antonio with the organizations

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 the social justice organizations

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 that are marching that are

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 organizing that are calling for

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 reform.

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 They are working together in

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 over the last 20 years after

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 over the last 15 years that the

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 police department under Chief

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 McManus is really focused on

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 community relations and building

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 community through policing by

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 addressing some of these issues

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 whether it's diversity among the

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 workforce of the police

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 department whether it's use of

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 force policies this

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 de-escalation training

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 sensitivity training implicit

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 bias all these things are being

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 incorporated.

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 But you know one of the

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 challenges is if you see

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 something so egregious as we saw

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 with the murder of George Floyd

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 with which adds to adds another

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 life to a long and growing list

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 of people who have been murdered

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 black Americans mainly it it it

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 leads to the frustration.

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 And it also takes several steps

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 back from the great community

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 relations that and progress

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 progress that we've we've been

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 able to to see here in San

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 Antonio.

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 I understand that the organizers

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 of the protest and the police

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 department have pretty good

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 lines of communication.

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 There's a concern that people

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 from outside or agitators are

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 kind of causing the vandalism.

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 Do you have a sense of that what

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 are you hearing about that.

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 You know it's unclear it's

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 unclear.

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 There are obviously instigators

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 that are trying to take selfish

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 advantage of the situation and

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 make this evolve into something

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 it's not.

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 And we see them in all kinds of

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 political stripes.

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 You know there is a known

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 organization that we've heard of

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 now called the boogaloo boys.

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 There's other organizations that

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 are affiliated with white

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 supremacist groups and other

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 racist organizations that are

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 taking advantage of this

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 situation because it's volatile

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 and trying to instigate violence

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 that is an element we have to be

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 aware of and we have to use

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 intelligence to weeded out.

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 But I would say that San Antonio

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 has an extraordinary history of

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 dealing with the march to civil

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 rights and reforms of of all

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 kinds and we've done in a

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 peaceful way when we saw the

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 marches in San Antonio on

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 Saturday and throughout the week

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 they're peaceful and they're

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 overwhelmingly people from our

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 community that are families of

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 all ages coming out to march in

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 unison.

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 What we have to do is figure out

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 a way that we can keep that the

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 main the main driving force of

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 these marches and be able to you

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 know if they're from San Antonio

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 or not the instigators that are

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 trying to change the message

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 into something that's far beyond

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 and not in any way related to

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 the march for justice on the

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 police side.

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 We've seen videos of rubber

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 bullets wooden bullets tear gas.

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 What do you asking the police

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 department about what their

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 policies are about de-escalation

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 or escalation.

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 That's a great question.

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 I think that the theme for these

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 has to always be discussed

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 de-escalation the use of force

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 policy obviously is an extremely

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 important part of how we do

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 that.

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 And so those are the questions

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 I'm asking and also I'm asking

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 are we making it clear when and

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 how use of force is executed.

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 You know crowd control devices

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 people in crowds need to know

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 when that's going to happen and

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 how it happens.

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 And so that's a lot of the

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 conversation we're we're having

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 now.

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 Use of force whether it's you

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 know crowd disperse or any other

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 kind of non-lethal is extremely

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 important it needs to be done in

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 a transparent manner.

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 All your council colleagues and

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 engage in this topic of police

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 reform and do you see there

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 being an ongoing conversation

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 about that after this kind of

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 tense situation dies down.

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 Yeah I do.

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 I think you know unfortunately

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 it kind of ebbs and flows but we

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 we reconstituted the Public

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 Safety Commission or the Public

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 Safety Committee of the city

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 council headed by Melissa bear

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 hovered it was a council member

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 in District 6.

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 She's very anxious to get

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 involved and make sure that

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 we're doing everything we need

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 to do to continue to enhance

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 police community relations which

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 has been a hallmark of our

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 community.

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 So this is going to be an

06:53.133 --> 06:55.966 align:left position:10% line:84.67% size:80%
 ongoing ongoing conversation.

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 One of the elements of challenge

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 for us though is that there are

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 certain things that are the

07:00.166 --> 07:01.733 align:left position:10% line:84.67% size:80%
 domain of the local community

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 through contract through

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 executive authority that is

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 executed by the chief.

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 There are certain things that

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 are the domain of the state and

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 federal government as well.

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 There are a lot of things that

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 are through statute at the state

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 level that take a lot of that

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 can kind of control and process

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 out of the hands of the local

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 government.

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 And so we've got to go through

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 those things as well.

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 So I understand that police in

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 the past 15 years after 9/11

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 started getting riot gear and

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 kind of military kind of

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 equipment I'm sure you've seen

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 that in your time on council.

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 Your thoughts on the

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 militarization of police forces

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 and sort of how we should view

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 that moving forward.

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 Yeah.

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 Well certainly the police

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 protection and personal

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 protection of our police force

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 is important but at the same

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 time military style gear also

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 sends a signal to the community.

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 And we have to be very careful

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 when when any kind of vehicle or

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 equipment is deployed that it's

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 done in the appropriate manner.

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 Militarization of the police by

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 and large has only served to

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 escalate the feelings of people

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 that that they're being that

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 they're being monitored and

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 controlled.

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 And that is part of part of the

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 problem with with what's going

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 on now is that these marches for

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 justice are springing from years

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 decades generations of

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 frustration that communities of

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 color have had with the criminal

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 justice system in general.

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 You know this has been an

08:27.533 --> 08:29.566 align:left position:10% line:84.67% size:80%
 underlying brewing issue that

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 has been left unaddressed for so

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 long.

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 And the more that we create that

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 disconnect whether it's through

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 equipment or you know again the

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 policies and procedures of

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 controlling crowds that can

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 create a gulf that detracts from

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 the progress that we're trying

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 to seek.

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 So this protest situation is

08:45.533 --> 08:46.733 align:left position:10% line:84.67% size:80%
 there's an underlying condition

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 which is we have a pandemic that

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 disproportionately affects

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 people of color.

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 We have an economic crisis that

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 disproportionately affects

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 people of color.

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 Then you have this video that's

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 viral that's really disturbing.

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 Can you talk about that and sort

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 of the conditions that have led

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 to this powder keg of a moment.

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 That's why I always go back to

09:01.466 --> 09:03.866 align:left position:10% line:84.67% size:80%
 equity equity in all senses and

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 that's why you know back when I

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 was elected we made equity the

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 agenda.

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 Economic mobility is a issue of

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 racial equity as well policing

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 and how we manage public safety

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 in our communities is is an

09:18.466 --> 09:20.966 align:left position:10% line:84.67% size:80%
 issue of equity and race equity

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 as well.

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 So all of these go back to how

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 it shouldn't matter what the

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 color of your skin is what side

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 of town you live on where you

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 were born in what your last name

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 is you should deserve equity

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 delivered at basic opportunity

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 services within our community

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 just like everyone else.

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 And so it's going to continue to

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 go back to this notion that

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 equity has to be our agenda our

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 focus and that's been the theme

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 of how we're going to be moving

09:46.833 --> 09:48.566 align:left position:10% line:84.67% size:80%
 forward through this pandemic as

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 well.

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 Has this protest and response

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 changed our city.

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 And if so how.

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 You know I think it it has

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 changed our city in the sense

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 that we are now in a moment

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 where where we are clearly

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 connected with urban communities

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 around the country that maybe we

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 we thought we weren't.

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 You know D.C. Austin Chicago

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 these cities are really gripped

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 with issues of how do we control

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 unrest.

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 And we thought we were immune to

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 that.

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 And I think maybe we we are much

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 better off than most communities

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 in the sense that we are so

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 close knit and weak and we work

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 together through challenges like

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 this but it does show these are

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 broad issues across the country

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 that we have to be cognizant of

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 and that we have to participate

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 in.

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 On the other hand what San

10:41.266 --> 10:42.633 align:left position:10% line:84.67% size:80%
 Antonio has always been is a

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 city that cares for one another.

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 And what we saw on Sunday

10:46.900 --> 10:49.766 align:left position:10% line:84.67% size:80%
 morning I think should hold

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 everyone in close and he should

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 have this in your heart.

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 We saw throngs of people descend

10:56.633 --> 10:58.800 align:left position:10% line:84.67% size:80%
 upon downtown not with signs

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 this time but with brooms and

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 trash bags to help clean up.

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 That's the same kind of peaceful

11:04.766 --> 11:05.766 align:left position:10% line:84.67% size:80%
 assembly except they had

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 different things in their hands

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 that we saw on Saturday.

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 So this city has a remarkable

11:10.166 --> 11:13.266 align:left position:10% line:84.67% size:80%
 tradition of being a leader in

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 civil rights and peaceful

11:14.566 --> 11:15.500 align:left position:10% line:84.67% size:80%
 non-violent protests.

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 That is going to continue.

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 This city also has a tradition

11:19.733 --> 11:21.100 align:left position:10% line:84.67% size:80%
 of being close knit and taking

11:21.100 --> 11:22.500 align:left position:10% line:84.67% size:80%
 care of one another that is

11:22.500 --> 11:23.233 align:left position:10% line:84.67% size:80%
 going to continue.

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 But we are participating in a

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 national dialogue now a hopeful

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 message from Mayor Ron

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 Nuremburg.

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 Thank you for joining us.

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 Thanks.

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 Joining us now is San Antonio

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 Police Department Chief William

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 Magnus.

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 That Chief again thank you for

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 joining us.

11:38.400 --> 11:38.800 align:left position:10% line:84.67% size:80%
 Appreciate it.

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 Thank you.

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 So what are the policies and

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 procedures for the essay APD for

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 the use of force or any kind of

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 projectile to disperse the

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 crowd.

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 We will never ever use chemical

11:55.633 --> 11:57.233 align:left position:10% line:84.67% size:80%
 agents or any kind of munitions

11:57.966 --> 12:00.666 align:left position:10% line:84.67% size:80%
 on a peaceful crowd crowd that's

12:00.700 --> 12:02.100 align:left position:10% line:84.67% size:80%
 peacefully demonstrating that

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 those are the rules.

12:05.500 --> 12:06.733 align:left position:10% line:84.67% size:80%
 When the crowd becomes

12:07.033 --> 12:09.500 align:left position:10% line:84.67% size:80%
 threatening to a point where

12:10.066 --> 12:10.966 align:left position:10% line:84.67% size:80%
 we're concerned that there's

12:10.966 --> 12:12.300 align:left position:10% line:84.67% size:80%
 gonna be assaultive behavior

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 when there's property

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 destruction gonna be property

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 structure that could be property

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 destruction.

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 We will.

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 If if time and situation permits

12:23.566 --> 12:25.566 align:left position:10% line:84.67% size:80%
 we will ask the crowd to

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 disperse.

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 If the crowd won't disperse then

12:30.766 --> 12:32.166 align:left position:10% line:84.67% size:80%
 we will warn them that we are

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 going to deploy chemical agents

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 and if they continue to stand

12:38.733 --> 12:41.000 align:left position:10% line:84.67% size:80%
 their ground then we will deploy

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 those agents.

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 So it's after a warning when at

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 least it usually two to three

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 warnings that are given.

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 So we've had a couple of these

12:48.966 --> 12:50.233 align:left position:10% line:84.67% size:80%
 instances in the last week with

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 a protest in downtown San

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 Antonio.

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 Is there an after incident

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 review internally the next day

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 or the week after or something

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 where you go through that kind

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 of tick tock play by play of

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 what happened.

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 Yes there's a there's an action

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 after action report that will be

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 done and we'll review everything

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 from top to bottom from a

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 desire.

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 And I know that we live in an

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 age now where there are cameras

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 all over the place with people

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 with their cell phones.

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 How much of that is kind of

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 incorporated into the review.

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 We have body cams as well.

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 As you well know and as

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 everybody well knows if there's

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 an if there's a complaint made

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 or an allegation made of any

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 type of misconduct or excessive

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 force we will review any video

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 we can get our hands on to

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 include the body cam video of

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 the the any officer that's in

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 the area where the complaint is

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 made.

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 So it's a comprehensive review

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 and anytime there's a complaint.

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 Yes the body cams have been

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 around for four or five years

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 now for the LAPD.

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 Do you think that they've

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 fulfilled their purpose of de

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 escalating situations overall.

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 I do.

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 It actually changes behavior on

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 both sides of the camera.

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 And oftentimes that you know the

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 officers fears when we first

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 started wearing them was that

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 you know they were going to get

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 in trouble.

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 You know it was going to be

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 difficult for them but more

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 often than not when a complaint

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 is made we will we will review

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 the body cam video and it will

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 it will unfound the complaint.

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 And oftentimes when we were

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 being when there's a complaint

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 being made will advise the

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 complainant that OK we're going

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 to review the body cam video.

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 And oftentimes they just

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 withdraw their complaint right

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 away.

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 I see.

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 So at the protests the other

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 night there were some reporters

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 who posted some video.

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 My understanding is there's a

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 safe zone option for reporters

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 who are covering these protests.

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 What is the protocol for that.

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 We offer that we offer.

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 We offered I think was Saturday

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 night.

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 We offered a a an area behind

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 the lines where reporters could

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 could muster up and some did.

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 And obviously some didn't.

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 But if you're in a crowd who's

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 ever in that crowd when those

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 warnings are given to disperse

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 or if if you know anyone in that

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 crowd who is peacefully

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 protesting and being hijacked by

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 the people who are bent on

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 violence and property

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 destruction if you see that

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 happening it's probably best to

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 leave.

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 And when the warnings are given

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 it is definitely best to leave

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 because we're telling you that

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 hey this either has to stop or

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 we're going to disperse the

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 crowd.

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 Right.

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 I on Saturday at the Alamo there

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 was this really compelling

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 picture of officers like a blue

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 wall of officers between a group

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 quote unquote defending the

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 Alamo and people protesting what

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 was going through the mind of an

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 officer who said who's sitting

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 there in this tense and volatile

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 situation.

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 Well I can tell you from from

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 years of experience it is very

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 tense and you're just waiting

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 and you're you're standing there

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 in the throes of insults.

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 People were spitting on you.

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 Not not everyone the peaceful

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 protesters are not doing this

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 but there are some that are

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 doing it and they're throwing

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 water bottles but the water

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 bottles don't always have water

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 in them.

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 They've got urine in them.

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 They've got chemical agents in

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 them cleaning agents in them.

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 So they're filled up sometimes

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 with sand or pebbles.

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 I heard a remark or read

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 something on social media that

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 which the big deal with a water

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 bottle being thrown.

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 Well it's not always water

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 bottles.

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 It's not always water in those

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 bottles.

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 We had three officers injured

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 Saturday night two were hit in

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 the head with bottles one had to

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 be transported to the hospital.

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 One was treated on the scene by

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 M.S. and a third officer who was

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 hit in the knee with a brick.

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 So you know it's it's tense when

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 you're on the front line and it

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 requires patients.

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 It requires a lot of training

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 and understanding you know what

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 your role is on that line.

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 But when when it gets violent

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 and when there's proper

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 destruction were there to

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 protect people's health and

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 safety protect their lives.

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 And we are also there to protect

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 property and people who own

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 those properties and people who

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 are not involved in the violence

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 expect us to protect them and

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 their property.

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 That makes absolute sense on

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 Saturday it was a tense standoff

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 and it's pretty long tense

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 standoff.

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 There was a build up throughout

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 the day people were announcing

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 on social media they're going to

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 have the protests and the

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 counter protests.

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 How do you approach those days

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 where you know there could be a

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 tense situation brewing.

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 Well let me let me start from

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 how we approach any protest at

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 all.

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 So we try to meet with the

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 organizers which I did on

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 Saturday at 430 at Travis church

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 and they they did exactly what

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 they said they were going to do

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 which was commence at 5:00 and

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 at six thirty at public safety

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 headquarters after a vigil and

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 then they would disperse.

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 And what I told them was our

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 protocol is our M.O. is that we

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 are not going to hover around

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 the protesters or be in their

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 midst.

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 We don't want them to feel like

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 we're there waiting for them to

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 do something or feel pressure

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 from the police.

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 So the only time we're going to

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 show up is if we get a call is

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 we have to protect them from

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 traffic.

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 If they if they decide to march

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 and to protect them from counter

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 protesters.

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 And that's what we did on

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 Saturday night.

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 And I got some very nice text

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 messages from the organizers

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 that I met with saying thank

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 you.

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 You know you all did a great job

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 and I thank them for for doing

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 what they said they were going

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 to do.

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 But it's it's typically after

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 dark and it and it builds the

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 tension builds and the and the

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 threats build.

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 And that's kind of that's how it

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 all develops.

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 When you talk about the tension

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 building I have two questions.

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 The first is there's a curfew

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 kind of try to address that.

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 Is that one of the reasons we

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 consider a curfew and that's

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 sort of my main question.

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 Right.

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 The curfew helps in this way.

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 You know we're not we're not out

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 to run everybody down that's on

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 the street after curfew is in

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 effect last night.

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 We had about 130 people or so in

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 Travis Park after the curfew.

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 So we went up and we advised

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 them reminded them that there is

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 a curfew.

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 Many of them left.

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 Many of them stayed but they

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 were just they were just in the

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 park.

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 They weren't causing any

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 problems.

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 And we left them alone.

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 But but the curfew helps when

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 you've got roving bands of

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 individuals who are who are

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 destroying property and I'll use

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 Commerce Street as an example.

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 You've got bands of individuals

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 who are destroying property.

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 If if we're if we're riding up

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 Commerce Street and we're trying

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 to prevent property destruction

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 after the reports of windows

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 being broken and businesses

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 being broken into.

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 If we see someone on the street

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 we're able to stop them because

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 of that curfew.

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 If there's no curfew we can't

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 stop them unless we see them

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 actually breaking the windows or

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 breaking into the buildings.

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 We're we're pretty much

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 powerless as far as a legal

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 option goes to stop them.

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 It's a tool in the toolbox to

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 prevent yes looting.

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 That's exactly right.

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 So since 9/11 I understand that

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 the Department of Homeland

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 Security the Justice Department

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 have given local governments

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 more money for a kind of more

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 advanced equipment for police

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 departments.

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 Is that accurate.

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 And do you think that that tends

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 to escalate situations and what

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 is your philosophy on that.

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 You have to be careful what

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 tactics you use what tactics you

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 display because it doesn't cite

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 my fact.

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 We've made several adjustments

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 during during the past few days

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 to try and de-escalate.

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 And I won't say what they are

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 but we've made several

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 adjustments to try to

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 de-escalate.

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 Our goal is to two to allow

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 people to exercise their First

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 Amendment rights.

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 Any constitutional right for

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 that matter.

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 And do it in a way that that

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 we're not interfering or we're

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 not causing concern to the

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 protesters.

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 But once there's there's danger

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 to to life and limb or danger to

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 property then we're bound to

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 intervene.

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 So these protests kind of arose

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 out of a long time where people

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 felt like police officers maybe

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 inappropriate force weren't

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 being held accountable.

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 I know that you and your job

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 have to deal with these

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 complaints all the time.

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 What are some constraints you

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 face in trying to discipline

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 officers.

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 Well there's there's laws and

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 and rules contractual and state

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 law that that we're that we

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 abide by that we have to abide

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 by contractual laws that are

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 that are that are founded on

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 some of them founded on state

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 law.

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 For example the right to

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 arbitrate.

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 So that's that's in Chapter 143

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 and it's also in in the the

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 police contract with Chief Bill

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 McManus.

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 Thank you so much for joining us

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 and thanks for working to keep

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 our community safe.

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 You're welcome.

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 Thank you.

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 The fourth century quest for

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 racial justice continues.

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 Joining us is in a factory who

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 helped organize the George Floyd

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 vigil at Travis Park.

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 Thank you for being here.

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 Thank you for having me.

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 What was the goal of the vigil

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 on Saturday.

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 The goal of the vigil was to

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 stand in solidarity with the

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 rest of the country concerning

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 George Floyd and a lot of other

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 black lives that have been lost.

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 I know that George Floyd gets

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 all the attention but just the

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 latest in a long list of lives

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 who have been lost some of them

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 high profile but a lot of them

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 behind closed doors.

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 Can you talk about that a little

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 bit.

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 Yeah absolutely.

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 George Floyd I'm an arbitrary

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 before him.

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 Brianna Taylor It's been a

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 month.

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 I mean there have been

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 executions of black people on

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 live television streaming

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 through the media.

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 And it's sickening.

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 And as a black community we just

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 we can't take it anymore.

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 So you helped organize the

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 vigil.

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 I know that you were out there

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 giving bottles of water to

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 people and everything.

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 What was it like logistically to

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 get a vigil like that going.

23:44.866 --> 23:47.633 align:left position:10% line:84.67% size:80%
 It was fast and moves very fast.

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 The community came through.

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 Cars were pulling up after each

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 other.

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 Donating oranges granola bars.

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 The community really made sure

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 that the protesters had what

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 they needed to stay hydrated.

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 I mean that was important for me

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 as an organizer to make sure

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 that the people who came out

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 were safe.

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 Safety was my biggest concern.

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 And that's why I emphasized a

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 peaceful protest because I

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 wanted people to be safe.

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 In the end because Black Lives

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 was what we were there to come

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 together for.

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 So you had like hundreds of

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 people show up right and you

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 marched around downtown.

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 Is that correct.

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 Thousands and thousands of

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 people shouted.

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 It was a big was a big number I

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 knew that.

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 And then it broke up at Travis

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 park and then what gets all the

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 attention is the standoff at the

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 Alamo and then what happened on

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 Houston Street later in the

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 night.

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 Is there a concern that those

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 kind of bad actors are going to

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 divert away from the message

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 you're trying to spread in our

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 community.

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 I think throughout history they

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 always have.

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 There are always people who who

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 do things you know.

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 But I think that the emphasis is

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 once again on black lives.

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 Our intent was very pure and it

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 was very vocal.

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 We went out there with pure

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 intentions.

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 So I don't give credence to

24:50.866 --> 24:52.733 align:left position:10% line:84.67% size:80%
 troublemakers necessarily but do

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 I think that the country has a

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 right to be outraged.

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 Absolutely.

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 Do I think that rage is

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 beautiful for black folk.

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 Absolutely and I think that it's

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 justified that people are angry.

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 But I I know that my intention

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 was a peaceful protest for San

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 Antonio.

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 But I'm not going to talk down

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 on folks who feel enraged in

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 their actions and the actions

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 that come after that.

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 So the protests have continued

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 since Saturday.

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 We've seen some disturbing

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 videos of escalation of force

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 with wooden bullets rubber

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 bullets tear gas I believe.

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 What do you think about the

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 escalation of police force and

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 do you think that that hurts

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 maintain the peace.

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 Absolutely I think that's very

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 disappointing.

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 It is our First Amendment right

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 to assemble and to protest

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 peacefully.

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 And I think that that's being

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 violated with excessive force

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 when it's clear that people are

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 out there fighting for their

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 rights.

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 I think that Texas as a whole we

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 can come together and we can

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 definitely do better when it

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 comes to legislation.

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 I mean communicating with the

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 community.

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 I think that we have to stay

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 safe and for organizers like me

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 I now have to switch up the game

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 I have to figure out how to keep

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 organizing and keeping people

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 safe because you know law

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 enforcement seems to have an

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 agenda.

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 Yeah.

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 So you have to define an agenda

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 to counteract that right.

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 What do you kind of besides the

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 de-escalation of force.

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 Well what are you thinking about

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 are the top priorities of the

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 agenda right now the top

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 priorities of the agenda are

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 doing interviews like this

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 keeping the conversation going

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 being open with the media having

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 a black activist come out on the

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 record because a lot of black

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 activists are scared to speak up

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 on camera because our lives are

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 in danger for what we do the

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 community the Latino community

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 everybody coming together to

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 stand in solidarity is super

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 important.

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 I could have absolutely not done

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 any of this without the Brown

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 Berets without the community.

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 So I'm very grateful but I'm I'm

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 just getting another black life

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 will be lost and other black

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 lives have been lost protesting.

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 So what happens a lot to your

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 point is we have these videos

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 that come out and people are

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 outraged by them and there's

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 some protest and then a few

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 weeks goes by and it kind of

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 dies down and then there's

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 another incident just for

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 centuries of that right it seems

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 like.

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 And so my question for you is

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 you're interested in keeping

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 this on top of the agenda.

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 What are you going to do to keep

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 it on top of the agenda.

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 You said media.

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 Is there anything else you have

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 in mind.

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 Absolutely I'm going to keep

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 organizing I'm working on

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 projects in the community where

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 the community can come together

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 and really just kind of debrief

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 and actually you know mourn the

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 loss of the lives lost.

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 I'm working on a painting a

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 mural painting that the

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 community can come and paint.

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 I'm I'm working on just

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 different strategies.

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 I definitely am not done

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 protesting I'm not done

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 exercising my right I just have

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 to go about it a different way

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 now with all of the legal

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 ramifications that I could face.

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 So speaking of the history of

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 protest you made some headlines

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 when you were UTSA student

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 talking about the sexual assault

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 policies on campus.

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 I think there are some changes

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 result of your activism can you

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 talk about that activism and the

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 change that came about.

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 Yes yes.

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 A year ago at UTSA I started to

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 move called Hashtag change rape

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 culture and I fought for these

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 these survivors.

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 I mean for the rights of

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 survivors on campus pertaining

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 to sexual assault and violence I

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 challenged UTSA as Title 9

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 policies I had questions about

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 investigations about Survivor

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 representation on campus and so

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 I pushed and I pushed and I

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 pushed and I never expected to

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 make headlines.

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 I just really wanted a

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 conversation to start on campus

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 but from there I was not

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 satisfied with the response and

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 I really just kept my foot on

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 UTSA as NEC per say and I move

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 around to other institutions

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 around San Antonio and do the

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 same thing I question their

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 Title 9 and their policies.

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 Do you feel like that was a

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 worthwhile cause of course

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 because you're continuing to

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 your line of advocacy right.

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 Absolutely.

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 Do you feel like you're the

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 voice of a generation.

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 I mean a lot of young people get

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 a bad rap for not being engaged

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 enough but you are changing rape

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 culture of the Black Lives

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 Matter.

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 I mean do you feel like you're

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 you're a voice for a lot of

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 people.

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 I feel like I could be but I do

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 know that I could not be where I

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 am without my ancestors.

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 I know that I could not be where

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 I am without the people who

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 marched before me.

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 So because they marched I can

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 continue to march and I always

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 want to give credence to that.

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 So you know there's this history

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 of activism.

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 What's what's new for you what's

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 new for me.

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 We'll see.

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 I'm just kind of going wherever

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 the wind blows me.

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 But I do know that speaking up

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 for these things it's almost

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 like a calling for myself and

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 for others it's the 21st century

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 it's 20 20 and people are still

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 getting shot in the street and

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 executed publicly.

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 So what's the one message you'd

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 want our viewers to take away

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 from this.

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 I want people to take away that

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 hashtag black lives matter and

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 that San Antonio cares about

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 black lives.

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 And I care about black lives and

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 we need to keep this

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 conversation going.

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 Can be a factor.

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 Thank you for your advocacy and

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 thank you for joining us.

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 Thank you the protests and the

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 aftermath have been particularly

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 difficult for downtown

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 businesses.

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 Joining us uk and Christian Oba

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 with a cool public relations.

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 What is the impact of the

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 protests in the aftermath on

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 your business.

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 Business has been good.

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 You know we've had a nice little

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 reprieve in the two months of

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 Colvin we've been able to

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 reconnect and with our brand as

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 well as reconnect with our

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 community.

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 But since the devastating tragic

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 loss of great of Judge Floyd

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 we've been really active in just

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 connecting and connecting and

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 connecting with our community by

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 way of our brands that we work

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 for.

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 So business has been unscathed.

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 That's good news.

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 Your business headquarters is

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 located at Alamo and Houston I

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 understand or Broadway and

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 Houston who's struggling in

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 Houston.

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 That's near the Alamo.

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 You were near the protests.

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 Yes I understand that you've

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 provided some refuge and you

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 were kind of involved with that.

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 What was that.

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 So prior to the protest starting

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 we had a few friends of ours

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 actually stopped by our office

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 and we just organized got

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 ourselves together and then we

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 took the walk to Travis and then

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 walked with the peaceful

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 protests after the protest

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 ended.

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 We all walked back to Travis

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 office over in a bar in Houston

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 right in the middle.

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 Our office is right there on

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 Broadway right before you turned

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 the corner down commerce.

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 It was just reasonable to stop

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 and get some water meet up with

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 some friends kind of watch just

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 people watch for a moment and

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 just experience it.

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 So I know that there was some

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 vandalism and stuff that

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 happened in the evening with

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 some agitators who did that.

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 Did your business get affected

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 by that.

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 No.

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 Of this business were affected

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 by that.

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 That's great.

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 Then the cleanup the next day

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 Sunday that was an inspiring

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 message I know that you probably

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 had some friends and clients out

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 there what would you think about

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 that.

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 We loved the cleanup the way the

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 scientific community came

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 together and helped out.

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 We even had a prior business

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 owner who had a store next to

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 us.

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 He came from came back into the

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 town and actually assisted a few

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 of the other folks that were

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 affected by the looting.

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 So what do you see moving

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 forward.

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 I know that we've we're in about

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 a week of protests and I know

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 that people are still angry and

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 understandably so.

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 What do you wear where do you

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 see it going.

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 I see a lot of people gaining a

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 new voice.

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 I see everyday folks on the

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 march was just everyday people

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 using their everyday voices.

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 I see everyday people speaking

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 up against discrimination

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 speaking up against anti

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 blackness and then speaking up

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 against speaking up for

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 accountability within our

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 decision makers.

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 And so I see more people taking

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 a stance and that's the future

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 of the movement.

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 That's something that we haven't

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 been able to to get to in past

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 years sadly.

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 But now there's a lot of you

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 know this is it this is we're

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 tired of it we're watching

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 people who've been on the

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 sidelines to take a stand.

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 You are do you see that

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 happening.

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 Yes we do see that happening.

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 And I think it's very important

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 that people need to take a

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 stand.

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 If you don't take a stand and

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 you're not able to speak truth

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 to power all you have is just a

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 system that will keep demonizing

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 or putting people down and we

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 don't need that anymore

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 especially in 21st century

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 society.

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 So that's.

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 That seems like a positive

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 outcome it's been tragic

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 circumstances all the way

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 around.

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 You said you represent the

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 hospitality industry.

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 I know that they've been have a

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 lot of trouble with the code in

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 the shut down.

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 What has been the reaction in

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 the hospitality industry to the

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 corona virus and how you've

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 you've responded to that.

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 Our clients have had a very

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 tumultuous experience in terms

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 of making sure that they can

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 keep employees making sure that

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 they can voice to their

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 communities their open hours and

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 close hours of course.

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 We've been able to work with a

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 local favorite called The Joke

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 check and they've created these

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 bundles is watching these

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 business owners create these

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 pivots in how they offer their

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 services especially the

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 restaurant industry.

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 They've opened up their doors to

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 become supermarkets for their

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 community to do food drives to

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 drop our food in the front lines

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 of code that first responders

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 and then now you see different

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 restaurants offering to assist

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 marchers by dropping off water

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 and paying it forward.

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 The amount of care and

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 compassion that came to these

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 owners during the course of it

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 pandemic and that we're still in

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 the middle of they are paying it

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 for it to the community and it's

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 really becoming very very

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 inspirational absolutely

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 inspirational.

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 Speaking of inspirational I know

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 that you were involved with

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 organizing a processional for

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 George Floyd on Saturday morning

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 I think seventy five cars.

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 Can you talk about that.

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 I was joined with Katherine

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 Pruitt.

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 She is the editor of ethical

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 sales.

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 And Celeste a lot of brown.

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 She's a local policy changer

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 influencer and we got together

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 and we wanted to both respect

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 show some respect to these lost

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 souls.

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 So we were marching we decided

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 that marching would be a little

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 bit hard for the entire

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 community to participate in and

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 a processional in a place like

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 San Antonio that respects things

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 like life as well as death and

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 the family ties.

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 It was it was something that

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 that was transitional for our

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 movement.

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 It caught the eyes and the

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 attention of our network and we

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 were able to do that.

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 And it became a very personal

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 experience.

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 Afterwards we socially distance

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 in a large parking lot and we

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 shared words and you to see

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 black women standing up in front

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 of these crowds of black brown

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 and white neighbors good people.

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 It was definitely something I

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 had never seen in San Antonio

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 before and something I look

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 forward to definitely seeing

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 again very soon.

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 When you said that words were

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 exchanged what kinds of words.

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 What was the message.

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 The message was was of course

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 solidarity making sure our

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 community understands how hurt

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 we are as black Americans.

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 How how this affects the way we

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 raise our boys the way we

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 introduce our daughters to the

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 community.

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 We shared messages of how to

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 create the change that we want

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 to see in terms of reaching out

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 to policymakers and ensuring

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 that we educate ourselves on

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 what these policies and

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 securities me especially in our

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 law enforcement.

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 And then I shared a story of my

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 brother who was detained over

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 the over a insufficient claim.

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 And it led to his downward

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 spiral.

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 And so we created a great sense

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 of community that that that

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 provided comfort and compassion.

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 And then at the same time really

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 hopefully created some change.

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 Hope to hear more of those

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 stories to create that change.

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 Speaking of change downtown has

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 been changed a lot.

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 We went from being dead from the

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 cold and shut down.

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 Now we've had these these

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 protests and it's been kind of

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 strange.

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 Y'all have been downtown

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 supporters and activists for

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 quite some time would say What

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 do you what do you think is the

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 future downtown.

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 Well I think the future of

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 downtown is very very good.

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 I do believe that there is an

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 opportunity for us to have more

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 diverse community business

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 owners being part of downtown.

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 And for you know other business

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 owners or people of color to see

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 downtown as an opportunity to

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 grow themselves grow their

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 network grow their family wealth

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 and at the same time grow their

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 passion.

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 So you know we always see

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 stories of folks that when they

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 start a business they go out to

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 stonewall or they go down to the

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 south side and understand that

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 economically sometimes that can

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 be better.

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 But in order to have a thriving

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 San Antonio really fully in the

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 the mayor's mandate of focusing

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 on downtown growing the urban

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 core is something that everyone

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 should get behind.

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 Well sad to say but Christian

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 read us but thank you all for

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 joining us and thanks for all

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 you're doing in our community.

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 Thank you for having us.

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 Now for the reporters roundtable

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 joining us is join Pelosi as

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 local government reporter Texas

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 Public Radio and Emily Eaton

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 criminal justice reporter San

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 Antonio Express News.

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 Emily what's been going on the

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 last week.

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 Well for the last five days

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 we've seen demonstrations and

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 protests in San Antonio and on

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 two occasions both on Saturday

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 and Tuesday.

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 We saw police use force on the

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 demonstrators in an effort to

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 sort of disperse the crowd.

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 They say although that has

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 obviously gotten some attention

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 from the demonstrators and they

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 say that wasn't justified.

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 So both of you were at the event

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 on Tuesday when there was sort

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 of a an intense interaction.

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 Can you describe your

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 perspective.

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 Absolutely.

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 So for it started around 5:00

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 p.m. at the courthouse and it

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 was a rather weird demonstration

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 in that there was no one

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 organizer.

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 And so at times it seemed rather

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 aimless it would they would go

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 to the police department that

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 they would come back.

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 Then they would go to the police

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 department then they would come

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 back.

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 And so that went on for about

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 three or four hours and finally

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 they ended up at Travis park and

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 then they decided to go to Alamo

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 Plaza which of course was closed

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 to try to curtail any type of

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 demonstrations there or any type

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 of unrest.

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 And so once they arrived there

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 they were greeted by a line of

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 police officers and more police

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 officers came in and the

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 traditional riot gear including

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 the helmet and the face shields

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 and the body body armor and some

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 had gas masks.

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 And from my perspective I was

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 standing right near Ripley's

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 Believe It Or Not.

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 And I was actually right next to

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 Joey and we were both taking

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 video of the demonstrators and

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 one demonstrator threw a plastic

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 water bottle at the police

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 officers.

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 It bounced off his chest sort

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 of.

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 He sort of just shrugged.

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 He sort of just flinched

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 shrugged and it went on the

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 ground and then all of a couple

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 of demonstrators said you know

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 hey cut it out that's not what

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 we're here for.

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 We're here for peace.

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 And it was about maybe a a

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 minute in 30 seconds or two

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 minutes.

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 And at that point the police

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 officers started using pepper

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 bullets and smoke to try to

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 disperse the crowd.

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 There was a separate incident

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 that was going on away from us

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 that we didn't see that other

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 video captured.

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 I see.

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 So what kind of projectiles were

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 used.

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 Joey I mean rubber bullets.

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 Well what else.

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 Right.

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 So when police started firing we

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 didn't know what was being shot.

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 So Emily and I we were standing

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 right next to each other.

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 And personally I was not going

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 to wait to find out.

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 So I started running and when I

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 started running the entire crowd

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 of people just started going up

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 Latoya street.

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 There was this smell in the air

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 afterwards.

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 It was really caustic it was

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 really it was really it kind of

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 burned to breathe.

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 Don't think it was tear gas.

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 My my guess then it was pepper

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 pellets but it didn't start

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 really smelling it until we got

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 to the end of last Sawyer Street

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 over near forget which street

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 exactly it is before we got to

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 commerce.

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 In an interview that I did with

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 CPD spokesman a little bit

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 around midnight or so early

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 Wednesday they had said that

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 they had used tear gas that they

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 had used pepper pellets they had

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 used rubber bullets and that

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 they had used wooden pellets as

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 well which if I'm not mistaken

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 Mark dumpling with the express

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 news was actually hit with one

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 of those and he tweeted it out

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 that it had made contact with

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 him.

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 As I was going up commerce

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 towards La soya this is video

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 that I had shared on Twitter.

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 Afterwards there were two or

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 three people running up the

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 street and two of them were hit

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 by the spark and whatever it was

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 fell to the ground and started

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 smoking and the two the two guys

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 continued running.

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 Not sure what that was.

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 I was probably maybe some type

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 of smoke grenade.

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 I didn't smell of like tear gas

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 but once it hit I started

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 running towards Commerce Street

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 too.

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 So you're describing a pretty

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 effective crowd dispersal

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 techniques where people were

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 running.

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 Do we know exactly what caused

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 them to fire.

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 Those have been kind of

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 identified in the other videos

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 you mentioned.

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 Emily Yes and no.

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 So the police say that anytime

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 water bottles are used that it

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 has the potential to get really

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 bad really fast.

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 And so I think as soon as that

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 first water bottle was thrown

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 they decided they were going to

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 disperse the crowd separately.

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 There is a video captured by

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 someone a journalist from Metro

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 News Service I believe is the

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 organization and that video

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 shows a couple of demonstrators

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 as the riot police officers are

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 lining up.

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 They're sort of they're a ways

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 away from the police officers

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 but they're going back and forth

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 they're being a little

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 confrontational.

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 They're getting up a little in

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 their face and then coming back

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 cursing a little bit and the

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 officers are doing a little bit

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 of the same.

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 You know they're sort of like

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 getting back to pushing on that

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 standoff.

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 It is.

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 And and it's a little unclear

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 because the video is a little

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 shaky but at that point sort of

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 someone lunges for the police

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 officer launches forward pushes

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 the guy then stands back and

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 then several shots were fired.

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 Jody have a sense of what the

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 review is after an incident like

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 this internally at CPD.

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 Have they shared that with you.

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 Do they do an internal audit so

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 to speak of this.

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 Well I afterwards after my video

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 was posted online I did get a

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 couple of calls from the city

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 one from city city spokeswoman

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 who was just checking to make

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 sure it was OK.

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 And then also after I made a

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 request to LAPD Lieutenant Jesse

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 Solomon called me as well and

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 that's when I did the interview

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 and he had said what what was

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 what was used.

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 I would imagine that there's

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 there's a review I was expecting

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 as a party to have some type of

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 press conference the next day

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 but rather the chief put out a

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 lengthy statement about the

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 actions that were taken.

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 Some of the results they even

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 think of the chief's statement

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 even mentioned that two

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 journalists were hit earlier

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 today or very early this

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 morning.

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 No I'm sorry later in the day or

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 later in the morning LAPD had

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 said how many arrests were made

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 and I think there were a total

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 of eight they actually listed

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 six charges that people had had

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 gotten to like maybe inciting a

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 riot.

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 Was one of them I think one

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 person was even crossing against

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 a a crossing against the signal

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 I think which I thought was an

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 interesting charge to put

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 against somebody.

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 And I don't know how much what

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 else we will we will get from

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 SIPC.

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 I can't recall all of what the

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 chief's statement was it was

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 extensive it was it was a very

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 very long statement.

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 But the police department is

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 receiving a lot of criticism a

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 lot of people had said that they

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 don't believe that the use of

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 force that LAPD used was

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 justified in a question that I

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 had asked Lieutenant Solomon.

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 He had said that the department

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 did believe it was justified

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 because of the they don't know

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 what the contents of those

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 bottles can be.

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 He he had alluded to you know

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 sometimes they could be filled

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 with bleach sometimes it could

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 be filled with urine but we have

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 no way of what note was knowing.

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 And we have no way of knowing

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 what was in that at least that

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 one bottle that we saw was

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 thrown.

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 I think there was also I

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 mentioned that you know there

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 was a glass bottle thrown.

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 I don't remember seeing a glass

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 bottle or hearing any glass

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 break.

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 So you know I'm hoping we'll

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 hear more from CPD soon.

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 So this is a highly tense

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 situation.

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 Not a lot of information about

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 what's going on from the video

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 it seems a little bit like a war

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 zone almost.

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 Emily did you get any training

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 on how to cover stuff like this

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 in journalism school or any kind

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 of certification or do you just

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 kind of show up to the front

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 lines and there you are.

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 Yes and no I think the best

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 training you can have is to have

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 experience.

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 And so I too I did a number of

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 internships and I had experience

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 tear gas before.

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 I also separate from this had

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 witnessed a murder while on the

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 job.

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 So that prepared me for this.

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 But there also is no

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 preparation.

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 I mean there state things that

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 you can do to make sure that

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 you're in buddy systems you know

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 a lot of the reporters so you

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 can sort of check in on each

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 other.

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 But then at the end of the day

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 you just you have to be smart.

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 Emily Eaton So Antonio Express

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 News Joy blocks to Texas Public

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 Radio thank you for joining us.

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 For our last segment the

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 Reporters Roundtable we have

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 Gilbert Garcia metro columnist

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 San Antonio Express News.

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 Thank you for being here.

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 Thank you.

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 So it's been quite the Newsweek.

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 What was your read on the

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 situation.

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 Well I think one of things

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 that's been interesting has been

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 that there has been a lot of

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 talk about the media coverage of

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 the protests in San Antonio and

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 other cities.

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 And on the one hand you have

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 people I think fairly making the

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 point.

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 These are people who are

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 supportive of the protesters

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 saying that most of the people

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 protesting have been doing so

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 peacefully and are trying to

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 make a serious point about

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 police reform.

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 And they probably feel that

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 there's been too much coverage

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 of you know the the bad actors

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 and the people who've been you

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 know committed acts of vandalism

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 and so on.

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 On the other hand you have I've

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 heard people say that you know

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 there's not enough on the other

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 side of the aisle saying that

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 there has been enough coverage

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 of some of the the acts of

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 violence.

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 I think I am often critical of

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 24 hour news channels because I

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 think that there's a tendency to

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 try to fill up a lot of time

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 with conjecture and

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 pontificating and not so much

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 not as much reporting.

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 I think this is one of those

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 instances though where the 24

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 hour news channels have been

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 able to do what they are there

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 they can often do well which is

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 there.

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 They have so much time that

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 they've had reporters out there

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 on the ground in various cities

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 and we're able to see over a

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 long period of time how some of

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 these protests are developing

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 and I think what we've seen and

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 the thing is this was certainly

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 true Saturday night in San

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 Antonio that we had a really

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 peaceful protest and after it it

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 basically disbanded you had

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 people like you East Houston

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 Street for example just smashing

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 windows and doing a lot of

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 damage.

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 And I think they were loosely

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 affiliated affiliated at all

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 with what the protests were.

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 So you had thousands of people

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 at the protest at Travis park

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 and then it devolves into just a

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 few people running around on

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 Houston Street breaking windows

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 and you know that we have a

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 history of a situation where

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 there will be people who will

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 exploit you know protest

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 movements you know I mean if we

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 go back historically with Martin

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 Luther King was in Memphis when

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 he was shot because he was he

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 was his second attempt to try to

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 lead a march in support of

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 garbage workers who were on

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 strike.

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 And the first one had devolved

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 into this into chaos where you

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 had destruction on Beale Street

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 and that sort of thing.

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 And he was so dismayed by what

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 happened.

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 Felt I need to go back and we

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 need to do it right.

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 And so when you have the you

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 know the the foremost civil

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 rights leader of his time and

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 maybe of all time even he was

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 not able to control what was

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 going on in that situation.

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 So you know there were there

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 will be you get a big crowd of

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 people together at night and

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 this this will happen.

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 And there is also we've also had

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 situations where police officers

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 in some situations have maybe

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 overreacted because of the

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 tension of the situation and

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 that's been a problem too.

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 You wrote a column that I

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 thought was great recently where

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 you talked about the underlying

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 issues the underlying tension

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 with the protests.

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 So we have a pandemic

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 disproportionately affecting

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 certain communities.

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 We have an economic crisis this

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 report that Fortunately

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 Americans are committed to this

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 long list of people being

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 basically murdered by bad

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 actors.

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 Can you talk about that a little

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 bit.

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 Yeah I mean this is I mean we

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 were really looking at a

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 situation in this country where

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 we're we're having the worst

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 public health crises we've had

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 in more than a hundred years.

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 We're having the worst economic

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 crisis that we've had in more

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 than 80 years.

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 And on top of that the issues

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 that have really been bubbling

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 under the surface in American

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 society for four decades I think

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 they've just really intensified

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 and people have asked Well what

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 is it about George Boyd killing

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 in Minneapolis that has it seems

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 you've had a different effect.

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 We've seen protests over other

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 acts of police brutality.

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 But I think the just the nature

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 of this the fact that you had a

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 police officer who had his knee

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 on his neck for nine minutes and

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 people got to see this play out

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 over such a long period.

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 I mean when you have Rush

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 Limbaugh for example you know

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 has been you know popular

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 conservative talk show host for

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 30 plus years saying Oh I think

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 the police officer should get

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 this should be a first degree

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 murder case.

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 I mean he's basically you're not

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 you're not really having

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 disputes.

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 The truth is self-evident.

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 That's right.

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 We've had some instances Trayvon

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 Martin some other situations

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 where young black men have been

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 killed and there has been some

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 dispute about the facts or what.

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 Whether justice was served or

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 not.

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 I don't think we really have a

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 dispute now that maybe there's

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 been a difference in focus.

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 Maybe the protesters are

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 focusing more on that killing

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 and maybe people on the right

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 are focusing more on what they

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 think has been an improper

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 response to it or you know acts

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 of violence.

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 But there's not a lot of dispute

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 about right now about what

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 happened and that it was wrong.

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 And so I think that it is

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 intensified these these these

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 feelings that we've just in our

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 society for a long time that

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 that we don't have that for

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 African-Americans in this

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 country.

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 There is one type of justice

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 there.

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 The police approach people of

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 color in different ways than

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 they do others.

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 So you have a lot of colleagues

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 who are reporters at the Express

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 News and other outlets who are

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 kind of in the trenches for

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 these protests.

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 What are you hearing from them

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 and what is your sense of what

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 it's like to cover this sort of

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 as a as a reporter in the

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 protest.

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 Well I think it's a stressful

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 thing and I mean you know we had

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 we've had Tuesday night.

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 We had you know tear gas and we

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 had rubber bullets being fired

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 into a crowd.

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 We had we had reporters there in

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 the middle of that.

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 And it's it's really a very

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 stressful tough situation.

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 And you know the sad thing about

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 it is that I think that the

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 great majority of people are

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 trying I think to do the right

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 thing and they're trying to

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 approach the police with with

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 respect they want to see police

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 reform but they're poaching

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 individual officers they

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 encounter with respect and I

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 think that there are police

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 officers who are also trying to

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 to to do the right thing.

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 But it seems that you know one

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 one incident of someone throwing

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 a bottle or one police officer

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 maybe you know getting getting

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 stressed out by the situation

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 just leads to all kinds of

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 problems.

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 So switching gears a little bit

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 the Republican Party chair here

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 in Bear County you've been

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 covering that race for a while.

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 Well she kind of posted some

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 conspiracy theories about the

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 George Floyd murder what's going

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 on there.

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 Yeah.

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 This week Cynthia Braham posted

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 a face had a Facebook post in

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 which she threw out the theory

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 that the killing of George Floyd

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 may have been staged and did not

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 say that she believed this to be

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 true but kind of asked the

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 question Is it possible that

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 this is what happened and the

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 popular rhetorical device.

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 Right.

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 What do you think staged.

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 And so you know the the I think

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 the theory at work was that she

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 she found some some aspects of

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 the story suspicious and and she

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 suggested and I don't know that

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 there's data to back this up.

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 But she suggested that President

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 Trump is seeking greater

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 approval among African-American

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 voters than he has in the past

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 and that this may have been a

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 staged event to try to undermine

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 that and create racial tension

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 or increase racial tension in

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 the United States.

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 And I think you know some of the

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 people who were her Facebook

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 friends responded you know they

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 took it seriously and that which

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 I find kind of bizarre.

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 I don't think you know chief.

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 She has a tough runoff race with

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 a man named John Austin who is a

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 real estate appraiser and has

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 been involved in the Republican

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 Party and you know I think that

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 one of the things we're holding

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 you have to reckon with is the

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 fact that this person who's been

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 in charge the party has just in

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 the last three months has thrown

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 out the theory that George Floyd

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 and Kelly may have staged that

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 the corona virus may have been a

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 hoax promulgated by Democrats to

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 bring down President Trump and

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 also has accused the Bear County

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 Elections Department of vote

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 tampering and almost pulled out

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 of the joint primary that we

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 haven't Bear County.

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 So I think Republican voters are

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 going to have to decide who do

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 they what's what is going to

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 help them try to help me win

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 elections in November and just

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 run run the organization or do

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 they want someone who's going to

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 be putting these theories out so

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 that's good.

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 You're describing a post truth

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 politician you're really

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 interested in the truth.

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 I know that your colleagues

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 these rescues are too.

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 Do you think they're going to be

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 able to continue to cover this

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 with its level of intensity and

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 fairness if this story continues

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 to play out the way they are

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 talking about the brand.

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 I know I'm sorry that the Black

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 Lives Matter protests and the

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 George Floyd.

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 Yeah I think so.

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 I mean I really think I know

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 that the press gets a lot of

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 criticism in this country from

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 from from all angles.

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 But I really do think that we've

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 seen people trying to deal with

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 the nuance of of the protests

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 and what happened in this case

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 and there is a lot of nuance to

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 it.

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 There are I mean I saw the

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 footage and in Nashville for

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 example of a middle aged

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 African-American man scolding a

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 young white kid who was

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 committing an act of vandalism

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 saying you know you're going to

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 you we're going to get blamed

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 for this and you're going to be

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 making us look.

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 So there's that there's all

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 kinds of complexity to what's

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 going on here.

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 Where do we look at it.

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 You know we look at the issue of

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 police reform or we look at the

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 racial issues and it certainly

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 really demands some coverage

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 that's going to approach it with

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 that nuance requires a

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 discerning eye over Garcia.

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 Thank you for joining us so

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 much.

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 I thank you for joining us for

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 this special edition of On The

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 Record as always go to Kayla

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 encore for this episode of

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 previous episodes and video

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 podcast form.

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 We'll see you next week.

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 Thank you.