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San Antonio is a fast growing

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fast moving community with

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That's why each week we go on

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the ride with the newsmakers who

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are driving this change.

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Then we gather at the reporters

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roundtable to talk about the

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latest news stories with the

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journalists behind those

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Join us now as we go on.

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Welcome to a special edition

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full hour on the record.

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I'm PJ made over the past week

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San Antonio has seen two

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protests turned violent.

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The intention of the gatherings

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to protest racial injustice and

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to elicit change after the

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murder of George Floyd an

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unarmed black man by a police

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officer in Minneapolis.

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Locally the protests have

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started peacefully but then

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turned violent with looting and

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vandalism downtown.

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Mayor Ron Nurenberg joins us.

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Mayor what is your main concern

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right now.

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Well my main concern is that the

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message of reform and justice

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that people are peacefully

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demonstrating for across the

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across the country is lost amid

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instigation and in devolving

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into violence which really

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detracts from the message.

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You know we have a number of

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underlying conditions in this

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country that have exacerbated

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the frustrations that we're

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seeing in all aspects of society

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and racism and institutional

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racism is one of them.

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And so that's an issue that we

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have to focus a generation on.

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And you know when when we see

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demonstrations of movement

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across the country like this we

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want to take advantage of that

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and create change.

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And that's what I hope happens.

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What does change look like from

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the city's perspective.

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To me that is a pursuit of

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racial equity and of course that

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has a lot to do with every

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aspect of society from how we

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deal with issues of access to

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education and workforce how we

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deal with services and equitable

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delivery of services but it also

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deals with police community

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relations and that's what you're

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seeing the focus of this on and

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obviously that is a an issue

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that has been unsolved for so

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many years across every urban

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city in the country.

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What are your interactions been

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like with the police department

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and city management as they're

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trying to respond to this tense

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situation.

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You know I have to give a lot of

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credit to our city management

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our San Antonio Police

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Department Chief McManus but

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also the community around us.

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I mean if you look at across San

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Antonio with the organizations

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the social justice organizations

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that are marching that are

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organizing that are calling for

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reform.

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over the last 20 years after

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over the last 15 years that the

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police department under Chief

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McManus is really focused on

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community relations and building

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community through policing by

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addressing some of these issues

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whether it's diversity among the

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workforce of the police

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department whether it's use of

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force policies this

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de-escalation training

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sensitivity training implicit

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bias all these things are being

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challenges is if you see

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something so egregious as we saw

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with the murder of George Floyd

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with which adds to adds another

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life to a long and growing list

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of people who have been murdered

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black Americans mainly it it it

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leads to the frustration.

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back from the great community

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relations that and progress

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progress that we've we've been

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able to to see here in San

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of the protest and the police

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department have pretty good

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lines of communication.

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from outside or agitators are

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kind of causing the vandalism.

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Do you have a sense of that what

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are you hearing about that.

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unclear.

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that are trying to take selfish

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advantage of the situation and

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make this evolve into something

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it's not.

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political stripes.

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organization that we've heard of

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now called the boogaloo boys.

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are affiliated with white

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supremacist groups and other

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racist organizations that are

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taking advantage of this

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situation because it's volatile

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and trying to instigate violence

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that is an element we have to be

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aware of and we have to use

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intelligence to weeded out.

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has an extraordinary history of

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dealing with the march to civil

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rights and reforms of of all

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kinds and we've done in a

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peaceful way when we saw the

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marches in San Antonio on

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Saturday and throughout the week

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they're peaceful and they're

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overwhelmingly people from our

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community that are families of

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all ages coming out to march in

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unison.

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What we have to do is figure out

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a way that we can keep that the

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main the main driving force of

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these marches and be able to you

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know if they're from San Antonio

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or not the instigators that are

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trying to change the message

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into something that's far beyond

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and not in any way related to

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the march for justice on the

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police side.

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bullets wooden bullets tear gas.

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department about what their

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policies are about de-escalation

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I think that the theme for these

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has to always be discussed

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de-escalation the use of force

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policy obviously is an extremely

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important part of how we do

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are we making it clear when and

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how use of force is executed.

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people in crowds need to know

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when that's going to happen and

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conversation we're we're having

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know crowd disperse or any other

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kind of non-lethal is extremely

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important it needs to be done in

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All your council colleagues and

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engage in this topic of police

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reform and do you see there

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being an ongoing conversation

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about that after this kind of

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tense situation dies down.

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it kind of ebbs and flows but we

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we reconstituted the Public

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Safety Commission or the Public

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Safety Committee of the city

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council headed by Melissa bear

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hovered it was a council member

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in District 6.

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involved and make sure that

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we're doing everything we need

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to do to continue to enhance

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police community relations which

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has been a hallmark of our

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ongoing ongoing conversation.

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for us though is that there are

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certain things that are the

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domain of the local community

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through contract through

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executive authority that is

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executed by the chief.

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are the domain of the state and

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federal government as well.

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are through statute at the state

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level that take a lot of that

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can kind of control and process

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out of the hands of the local

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those things as well.

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the past 15 years after 9/11

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started getting riot gear and

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equipment I'm sure you've seen

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that in your time on council.

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militarization of police forces

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protection and personal

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protection of our police force

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time military style gear also

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sends a signal to the community.

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when when any kind of vehicle or

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equipment is deployed that it's

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done in the appropriate manner.

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and large has only served to

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escalate the feelings of people

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problem with with what's going

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on now is that these marches for

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justice are springing from years

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decades generations of

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frustration that communities of

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color have had with the criminal

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justice system in general.

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underlying brewing issue that

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disconnect whether it's through

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equipment or you know again the

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policies and procedures of

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controlling crowds that can

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create a gulf that detracts from

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the progress that we're trying

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to seek.

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So this protest situation is

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there's an underlying condition

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which is we have a pandemic that

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disproportionately affects

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people of color.

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We have an economic crisis that

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disproportionately affects

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people of color.

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Then you have this video that's

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viral that's really disturbing.

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Can you talk about that and sort

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of the conditions that have led

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to this powder keg of a moment.

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That's why I always go back to

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equity equity in all senses and

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that's why you know back when I

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was elected we made equity the

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agenda.

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Economic mobility is a issue of

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racial equity as well policing

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and how we manage public safety

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in our communities is is an

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issue of equity and race equity

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as well.

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So all of these go back to how

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it shouldn't matter what the

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color of your skin is what side

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of town you live on where you

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were born in what your last name

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is you should deserve equity

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delivered at basic opportunity

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services within our community

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just like everyone else.

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And so it's going to continue to

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go back to this notion that

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equity has to be our agenda our

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focus and that's been the theme

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of how we're going to be moving

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forward through this pandemic as

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well.

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Has this protest and response

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changed our city.

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And if so how.

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You know I think it it has

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changed our city in the sense

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that we are now in a moment

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where where we are clearly

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connected with urban communities

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around the country that maybe we

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we thought we weren't.

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You know D.C. Austin Chicago

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these cities are really gripped

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with issues of how do we control

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unrest.

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And we thought we were immune to

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that.

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And I think maybe we we are much

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better off than most communities

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in the sense that we are so

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close knit and weak and we work

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together through challenges like

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this but it does show these are

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broad issues across the country

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that we have to be cognizant of

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and that we have to participate

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in.

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On the other hand what San

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Antonio has always been is a

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city that cares for one another.

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And what we saw on Sunday

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morning I think should hold

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everyone in close and he should

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have this in your heart.

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We saw throngs of people descend

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upon downtown not with signs

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this time but with brooms and

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trash bags to help clean up.

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That's the same kind of peaceful

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assembly except they had

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different things in their hands

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that we saw on Saturday.

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So this city has a remarkable

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tradition of being a leader in

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civil rights and peaceful

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non-violent protests.

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That is going to continue.

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This city also has a tradition

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of being close knit and taking

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care of one another that is

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going to continue.

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But we are participating in a

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national dialogue now a hopeful

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message from Mayor Ron

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Nuremburg.

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Thank you for joining us.

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Thanks.

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Joining us now is San Antonio

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Police Department Chief William

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Magnus.

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That Chief again thank you for

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joining us.

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Appreciate it.

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Thank you.

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So what are the policies and

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procedures for the essay APD for

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the use of force or any kind of

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projectile to disperse the

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crowd.

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We will never ever use chemical

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agents or any kind of munitions

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on a peaceful crowd crowd that's

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peacefully demonstrating that

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those are the rules.

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When the crowd becomes

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threatening to a point where

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we're concerned that there's

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gonna be assaultive behavior

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when there's property

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destruction gonna be property

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structure that could be property

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destruction.

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We will.

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If if time and situation permits

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we will ask the crowd to

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disperse.

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If the crowd won't disperse then

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we will warn them that we are

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going to deploy chemical agents

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and if they continue to stand

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their ground then we will deploy

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those agents.

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So it's after a warning when at

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least it usually two to three

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warnings that are given.

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So we've had a couple of these

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instances in the last week with

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a protest in downtown San

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Antonio.

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Is there an after incident

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review internally the next day

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or the week after or something

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where you go through that kind

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of tick tock play by play of

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what happened.

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Yes there's a there's an action

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after action report that will be

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done and we'll review everything

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from top to bottom from a

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desire.

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And I know that we live in an

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age now where there are cameras

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all over the place with people

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with their cell phones.

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How much of that is kind of

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incorporated into the review.

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We have body cams as well.

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As you well know and as

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everybody well knows if there's

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an if there's a complaint made

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or an allegation made of any

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type of misconduct or excessive

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force we will review any video

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we can get our hands on to

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include the body cam video of

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the the any officer that's in

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the area where the complaint is

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made.

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So it's a comprehensive review

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and anytime there's a complaint.

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Yes the body cams have been

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around for four or five years

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now for the LAPD.

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Do you think that they've

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fulfilled their purpose of de

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escalating situations overall.

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I do.

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It actually changes behavior on

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both sides of the camera.

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And oftentimes that you know the

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officers fears when we first

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started wearing them was that

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you know they were going to get

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in trouble.

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You know it was going to be

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difficult for them but more

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often than not when a complaint

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is made we will we will review

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the body cam video and it will

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it will unfound the complaint.

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And oftentimes when we were

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being when there's a complaint

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being made will advise the

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complainant that OK we're going

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to review the body cam video.

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And oftentimes they just

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withdraw their complaint right

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away.

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I see.

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So at the protests the other

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night there were some reporters

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who posted some video.

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My understanding is there's a

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safe zone option for reporters

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who are covering these protests.

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What is the protocol for that.

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We offer that we offer.

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We offered I think was Saturday

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night.

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We offered a a an area behind

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the lines where reporters could

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could muster up and some did.

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And obviously some didn't.

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But if you're in a crowd who's

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ever in that crowd when those

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warnings are given to disperse

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or if if you know anyone in that

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crowd who is peacefully

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protesting and being hijacked by

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the people who are bent on

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violence and property

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destruction if you see that

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happening it's probably best to

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leave.

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And when the warnings are given

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it is definitely best to leave

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because we're telling you that

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hey this either has to stop or

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we're going to disperse the

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crowd.

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Right.

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I on Saturday at the Alamo there

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was this really compelling

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picture of officers like a blue

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wall of officers between a group

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quote unquote defending the

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Alamo and people protesting what

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was going through the mind of an

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officer who said who's sitting

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there in this tense and volatile

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situation.

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Well I can tell you from from

533
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years of experience it is very

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tense and you're just waiting

535
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and you're you're standing there

536
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in the throes of insults.

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People were spitting on you.

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Not not everyone the peaceful

539
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protesters are not doing this

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but there are some that are

541
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doing it and they're throwing

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water bottles but the water

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bottles don't always have water

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in them.

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They've got urine in them.

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They've got chemical agents in

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them cleaning agents in them.

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So they're filled up sometimes

549
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with sand or pebbles.

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I heard a remark or read

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something on social media that

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which the big deal with a water

553
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bottle being thrown.

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Well it's not always water

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bottles.

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It's not always water in those

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bottles.

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We had three officers injured

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Saturday night two were hit in

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the head with bottles one had to

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be transported to the hospital.

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One was treated on the scene by

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M.S. and a third officer who was

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hit in the knee with a brick.

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00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:06,266
So you know it's it's tense when

566
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you're on the front line and it

567
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requires patients.

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It requires a lot of training

569
00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:15,433
and understanding you know what

570
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your role is on that line.

571
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But when when it gets violent

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and when there's proper

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destruction were there to

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protect people's health and

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safety protect their lives.

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And we are also there to protect

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property and people who own

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those properties and people who

579
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are not involved in the violence

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expect us to protect them and

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their property.

582
00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:35,366
That makes absolute sense on

583
00:17:35,366 --> 00:17:36,800
Saturday it was a tense standoff

584
00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:37,733
and it's pretty long tense

585
00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:38,200
standoff.

586
00:17:38,433 --> 00:17:39,333
There was a build up throughout

587
00:17:39,333 --> 00:17:42,333
the day people were announcing

588
00:17:42,333 --> 00:17:43,333
on social media they're going to

589
00:17:43,333 --> 00:17:44,266
have the protests and the

590
00:17:44,266 --> 00:17:45,100
counter protests.

591
00:17:45,466 --> 00:17:47,000
How do you approach those days

592
00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:48,133
where you know there could be a

593
00:17:48,133 --> 00:17:49,366
tense situation brewing.

594
00:17:49,900 --> 00:17:51,500
Well let me let me start from

595
00:17:51,566 --> 00:17:53,533
how we approach any protest at

596
00:17:53,533 --> 00:17:53,733
all.

597
00:17:53,766 --> 00:17:54,766
So we try to meet with the

598
00:17:54,766 --> 00:17:56,466
organizers which I did on

599
00:17:56,466 --> 00:17:58,800
Saturday at 430 at Travis church

600
00:17:59,566 --> 00:18:02,866
and they they did exactly what

601
00:18:02,866 --> 00:18:04,766
they said they were going to do

602
00:18:05,133 --> 00:18:07,466
which was commence at 5:00 and

603
00:18:07,466 --> 00:18:08,933
at six thirty at public safety

604
00:18:08,933 --> 00:18:10,833
headquarters after a vigil and

605
00:18:10,833 --> 00:18:12,066
then they would disperse.

606
00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:14,900
And what I told them was our

607
00:18:15,100 --> 00:18:18,166
protocol is our M.O. is that we

608
00:18:18,166 --> 00:18:20,400
are not going to hover around

609
00:18:20,500 --> 00:18:21,866
the protesters or be in their

610
00:18:21,866 --> 00:18:22,333
midst.

611
00:18:23,333 --> 00:18:24,766
We don't want them to feel like

612
00:18:24,766 --> 00:18:26,033
we're there waiting for them to

613
00:18:26,033 --> 00:18:29,033
do something or feel pressure

614
00:18:29,033 --> 00:18:29,733
from the police.

615
00:18:30,033 --> 00:18:31,366
So the only time we're going to

616
00:18:31,366 --> 00:18:34,466
show up is if we get a call is

617
00:18:35,033 --> 00:18:36,466
we have to protect them from

618
00:18:36,466 --> 00:18:37,000
traffic.

619
00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,166
If they if they decide to march

620
00:18:39,966 --> 00:18:41,400
and to protect them from counter

621
00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:42,066
protesters.

622
00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:44,766
And that's what we did on

623
00:18:44,900 --> 00:18:45,666
Saturday night.

624
00:18:45,766 --> 00:18:48,700
And I got some very nice text

625
00:18:48,700 --> 00:18:50,166
messages from the organizers

626
00:18:50,166 --> 00:18:52,166
that I met with saying thank

627
00:18:52,166 --> 00:18:52,333
you.

628
00:18:52,366 --> 00:18:53,833
You know you all did a great job

629
00:18:53,833 --> 00:18:56,933
and I thank them for for doing

630
00:18:56,933 --> 00:18:58,000
what they said they were going

631
00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:58,400
to do.

632
00:18:58,933 --> 00:19:00,666
But it's it's typically after

633
00:19:00,666 --> 00:19:03,800
dark and it and it builds the

634
00:19:03,833 --> 00:19:05,733
tension builds and the and the

635
00:19:07,466 --> 00:19:08,533
threats build.

636
00:19:08,700 --> 00:19:10,166
And that's kind of that's how it

637
00:19:10,166 --> 00:19:10,800
all develops.

638
00:19:10,900 --> 00:19:11,800
When you talk about the tension

639
00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:12,800
building I have two questions.

640
00:19:12,833 --> 00:19:14,500
The first is there's a curfew

641
00:19:14,533 --> 00:19:15,600
kind of try to address that.

642
00:19:15,633 --> 00:19:16,533
Is that one of the reasons we

643
00:19:16,533 --> 00:19:18,333
consider a curfew and that's

644
00:19:18,333 --> 00:19:19,233
sort of my main question.

645
00:19:19,300 --> 00:19:19,566
Right.

646
00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:21,933
The curfew helps in this way.

647
00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,700
You know we're not we're not out

648
00:19:24,700 --> 00:19:26,566
to run everybody down that's on

649
00:19:26,566 --> 00:19:27,633
the street after curfew is in

650
00:19:27,633 --> 00:19:28,500
effect last night.

651
00:19:29,500 --> 00:19:32,466
We had about 130 people or so in

652
00:19:32,466 --> 00:19:34,666
Travis Park after the curfew.

653
00:19:35,433 --> 00:19:37,866
So we went up and we advised

654
00:19:37,866 --> 00:19:39,800
them reminded them that there is

655
00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:40,366
a curfew.

656
00:19:40,966 --> 00:19:42,000
Many of them left.

657
00:19:42,100 --> 00:19:43,166
Many of them stayed but they

658
00:19:43,166 --> 00:19:44,400
were just they were just in the

659
00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:44,666
park.

660
00:19:44,700 --> 00:19:45,466
They weren't causing any

661
00:19:45,466 --> 00:19:46,000
problems.

662
00:19:47,166 --> 00:19:48,066
And we left them alone.

663
00:19:48,633 --> 00:19:50,300
But but the curfew helps when

664
00:19:50,300 --> 00:19:52,466
you've got roving bands of

665
00:19:53,133 --> 00:19:54,766
individuals who are who are

666
00:19:54,766 --> 00:19:57,266
destroying property and I'll use

667
00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,100
Commerce Street as an example.

668
00:20:00,133 --> 00:20:02,933
You've got bands of individuals

669
00:20:02,933 --> 00:20:04,200
who are destroying property.

670
00:20:05,466 --> 00:20:07,333
If if we're if we're riding up

671
00:20:08,766 --> 00:20:10,466
Commerce Street and we're trying

672
00:20:10,466 --> 00:20:12,566
to prevent property destruction

673
00:20:14,100 --> 00:20:16,433
after the reports of windows

674
00:20:16,433 --> 00:20:18,466
being broken and businesses

675
00:20:18,466 --> 00:20:20,100
being broken into.

676
00:20:20,466 --> 00:20:22,133
If we see someone on the street

677
00:20:23,366 --> 00:20:24,866
we're able to stop them because

678
00:20:25,100 --> 00:20:26,566
of that curfew.

679
00:20:27,100 --> 00:20:28,666
If there's no curfew we can't

680
00:20:28,666 --> 00:20:30,566
stop them unless we see them

681
00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:32,500
actually breaking the windows or

682
00:20:32,733 --> 00:20:33,866
breaking into the buildings.

683
00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,300
We're we're pretty much

684
00:20:37,300 --> 00:20:39,100
powerless as far as a legal

685
00:20:39,100 --> 00:20:40,266
option goes to stop them.

686
00:20:40,266 --> 00:20:41,366
It's a tool in the toolbox to

687
00:20:41,366 --> 00:20:42,600
prevent yes looting.

688
00:20:42,900 --> 00:20:43,666
That's exactly right.

689
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,033
So since 9/11 I understand that

690
00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:47,400
the Department of Homeland

691
00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:48,966
Security the Justice Department

692
00:20:48,966 --> 00:20:50,366
have given local governments

693
00:20:50,366 --> 00:20:51,866
more money for a kind of more

694
00:20:51,866 --> 00:20:53,133
advanced equipment for police

695
00:20:53,133 --> 00:20:53,633
departments.

696
00:20:53,666 --> 00:20:54,733
Is that accurate.

697
00:20:54,766 --> 00:20:56,333
And do you think that that tends

698
00:20:56,333 --> 00:20:58,333
to escalate situations and what

699
00:20:58,333 --> 00:20:59,666
is your philosophy on that.

700
00:21:00,233 --> 00:21:03,066
You have to be careful what

701
00:21:03,066 --> 00:21:05,733
tactics you use what tactics you

702
00:21:05,733 --> 00:21:08,133
display because it doesn't cite

703
00:21:08,233 --> 00:21:08,666
my fact.

704
00:21:09,700 --> 00:21:11,566
We've made several adjustments

705
00:21:11,566 --> 00:21:13,300
during during the past few days

706
00:21:13,666 --> 00:21:14,900
to try and de-escalate.

707
00:21:14,966 --> 00:21:16,233
And I won't say what they are

708
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:17,500
but we've made several

709
00:21:17,500 --> 00:21:18,333
adjustments to try to

710
00:21:18,333 --> 00:21:19,033
de-escalate.

711
00:21:20,966 --> 00:21:23,933
Our goal is to two to allow

712
00:21:24,966 --> 00:21:26,800
people to exercise their First

713
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:27,566
Amendment rights.

714
00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:29,733
Any constitutional right for

715
00:21:29,733 --> 00:21:30,300
that matter.

716
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,100
And do it in a way that that

717
00:21:34,100 --> 00:21:36,233
we're not interfering or we're

718
00:21:36,233 --> 00:21:38,600
not causing concern to the

719
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:39,333
protesters.

720
00:21:40,233 --> 00:21:43,700
But once there's there's danger

721
00:21:43,700 --> 00:21:46,733
to to life and limb or danger to

722
00:21:46,733 --> 00:21:49,100
property then we're bound to

723
00:21:49,100 --> 00:21:49,600
intervene.

724
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,466
So these protests kind of arose

725
00:21:52,466 --> 00:21:54,600
out of a long time where people

726
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,400
felt like police officers maybe

727
00:21:57,133 --> 00:21:58,333
inappropriate force weren't

728
00:21:58,333 --> 00:21:59,433
being held accountable.

729
00:21:59,700 --> 00:22:01,300
I know that you and your job

730
00:22:01,333 --> 00:22:02,533
have to deal with these

731
00:22:02,533 --> 00:22:03,700
complaints all the time.

732
00:22:03,733 --> 00:22:04,833
What are some constraints you

733
00:22:04,833 --> 00:22:06,000
face in trying to discipline

734
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:06,533
officers.

735
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,833
Well there's there's laws and

736
00:22:10,933 --> 00:22:15,533
and rules contractual and state

737
00:22:15,533 --> 00:22:23,233
law that that we're that we

738
00:22:23,233 --> 00:22:24,500
abide by that we have to abide

739
00:22:24,500 --> 00:22:28,600
by contractual laws that are

740
00:22:28,700 --> 00:22:30,366
that are that are founded on

741
00:22:30,366 --> 00:22:31,933
some of them founded on state

742
00:22:31,933 --> 00:22:32,233
law.

743
00:22:32,533 --> 00:22:33,433
For example the right to

744
00:22:33,433 --> 00:22:33,966
arbitrate.

745
00:22:34,766 --> 00:22:37,066
So that's that's in Chapter 143

746
00:22:37,133 --> 00:22:39,733
and it's also in in the the

747
00:22:39,866 --> 00:22:42,266
police contract with Chief Bill

748
00:22:42,266 --> 00:22:42,666
McManus.

749
00:22:42,700 --> 00:22:43,800
Thank you so much for joining us

750
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:44,800
and thanks for working to keep

751
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:45,433
our community safe.

752
00:22:45,633 --> 00:22:45,966
You're welcome.

753
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:46,333
Thank you.

754
00:22:49,933 --> 00:22:51,466
The fourth century quest for

755
00:22:51,566 --> 00:22:52,866
racial justice continues.

756
00:22:52,900 --> 00:22:54,566
Joining us is in a factory who

757
00:22:54,566 --> 00:22:56,100
helped organize the George Floyd

758
00:22:56,100 --> 00:22:56,966
vigil at Travis Park.

759
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:57,766
Thank you for being here.

760
00:22:57,966 --> 00:22:58,866
Thank you for having me.

761
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,333
What was the goal of the vigil

762
00:23:00,333 --> 00:23:00,900
on Saturday.

763
00:23:01,300 --> 00:23:02,366
The goal of the vigil was to

764
00:23:02,366 --> 00:23:03,700
stand in solidarity with the

765
00:23:03,700 --> 00:23:05,800
rest of the country concerning

766
00:23:05,966 --> 00:23:07,800
George Floyd and a lot of other

767
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:09,433
black lives that have been lost.

768
00:23:09,700 --> 00:23:10,600
I know that George Floyd gets

769
00:23:10,666 --> 00:23:11,666
all the attention but just the

770
00:23:11,666 --> 00:23:13,733
latest in a long list of lives

771
00:23:13,733 --> 00:23:14,666
who have been lost some of them

772
00:23:14,666 --> 00:23:15,766
high profile but a lot of them

773
00:23:15,766 --> 00:23:16,633
behind closed doors.

774
00:23:16,666 --> 00:23:17,533
Can you talk about that a little

775
00:23:17,533 --> 00:23:17,666
bit.

776
00:23:17,933 --> 00:23:18,933
Yeah absolutely.

777
00:23:19,233 --> 00:23:21,533
George Floyd I'm an arbitrary

778
00:23:21,733 --> 00:23:22,566
before him.

779
00:23:22,966 --> 00:23:24,866
Brianna Taylor It's been a

780
00:23:24,866 --> 00:23:25,300
month.

781
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:26,400
I mean there have been

782
00:23:26,500 --> 00:23:28,866
executions of black people on

783
00:23:28,866 --> 00:23:30,600
live television streaming

784
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:31,433
through the media.

785
00:23:31,733 --> 00:23:32,633
And it's sickening.

786
00:23:33,333 --> 00:23:35,033
And as a black community we just

787
00:23:35,300 --> 00:23:36,300
we can't take it anymore.

788
00:23:36,733 --> 00:23:38,100
So you helped organize the

789
00:23:38,100 --> 00:23:38,600
vigil.

790
00:23:38,633 --> 00:23:39,400
I know that you were out there

791
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:40,500
giving bottles of water to

792
00:23:40,500 --> 00:23:41,266
people and everything.

793
00:23:41,300 --> 00:23:42,633
What was it like logistically to

794
00:23:42,633 --> 00:23:43,966
get a vigil like that going.

795
00:23:44,866 --> 00:23:47,633
It was fast and moves very fast.

796
00:23:47,700 --> 00:23:49,133
The community came through.

797
00:23:49,166 --> 00:23:52,033
Cars were pulling up after each

798
00:23:52,033 --> 00:23:52,400
other.

799
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,166
Donating oranges granola bars.

800
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:55,433
The community really made sure

801
00:23:55,433 --> 00:23:56,633
that the protesters had what

802
00:23:56,633 --> 00:23:58,000
they needed to stay hydrated.

803
00:23:58,400 --> 00:23:59,733
I mean that was important for me

804
00:23:59,733 --> 00:24:01,033
as an organizer to make sure

805
00:24:01,033 --> 00:24:02,100
that the people who came out

806
00:24:02,100 --> 00:24:02,733
were safe.

807
00:24:02,766 --> 00:24:04,666
Safety was my biggest concern.

808
00:24:05,033 --> 00:24:06,533
And that's why I emphasized a

809
00:24:06,533 --> 00:24:07,900
peaceful protest because I

810
00:24:07,900 --> 00:24:09,300
wanted people to be safe.

811
00:24:09,333 --> 00:24:10,733
In the end because Black Lives

812
00:24:10,733 --> 00:24:12,400
was what we were there to come

813
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:12,933
together for.

814
00:24:13,166 --> 00:24:14,700
So you had like hundreds of

815
00:24:14,700 --> 00:24:15,766
people show up right and you

816
00:24:15,766 --> 00:24:16,833
marched around downtown.

817
00:24:16,833 --> 00:24:17,400
Is that correct.

818
00:24:17,466 --> 00:24:18,833
Thousands and thousands of

819
00:24:18,833 --> 00:24:19,366
people shouted.

820
00:24:19,500 --> 00:24:20,633
It was a big was a big number I

821
00:24:20,633 --> 00:24:20,966
knew that.

822
00:24:21,333 --> 00:24:22,900
And then it broke up at Travis

823
00:24:22,900 --> 00:24:24,200
park and then what gets all the

824
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:25,466
attention is the standoff at the

825
00:24:25,466 --> 00:24:27,000
Alamo and then what happened on

826
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:27,966
Houston Street later in the

827
00:24:27,966 --> 00:24:28,300
night.

828
00:24:28,500 --> 00:24:29,833
Is there a concern that those

829
00:24:29,833 --> 00:24:31,833
kind of bad actors are going to

830
00:24:31,833 --> 00:24:33,033
divert away from the message

831
00:24:33,033 --> 00:24:34,166
you're trying to spread in our

832
00:24:34,166 --> 00:24:34,600
community.

833
00:24:35,566 --> 00:24:36,633
I think throughout history they

834
00:24:36,633 --> 00:24:37,333
always have.

835
00:24:37,366 --> 00:24:38,933
There are always people who who

836
00:24:38,933 --> 00:24:40,533
do things you know.

837
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,466
But I think that the emphasis is

838
00:24:42,466 --> 00:24:43,900
once again on black lives.

839
00:24:44,100 --> 00:24:46,066
Our intent was very pure and it

840
00:24:46,066 --> 00:24:46,800
was very vocal.

841
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:47,866
We went out there with pure

842
00:24:47,866 --> 00:24:48,533
intentions.

843
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,866
So I don't give credence to

844
00:24:50,866 --> 00:24:52,733
troublemakers necessarily but do

845
00:24:52,733 --> 00:24:53,900
I think that the country has a

846
00:24:53,900 --> 00:24:55,133
right to be outraged.

847
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:55,833
Absolutely.

848
00:24:55,866 --> 00:24:56,933
Do I think that rage is

849
00:24:56,933 --> 00:24:58,600
beautiful for black folk.

850
00:24:58,633 --> 00:25:00,900
Absolutely and I think that it's

851
00:25:00,900 --> 00:25:03,000
justified that people are angry.

852
00:25:03,500 --> 00:25:05,633
But I I know that my intention

853
00:25:05,633 --> 00:25:07,100
was a peaceful protest for San

854
00:25:07,100 --> 00:25:07,833
Antonio.

855
00:25:07,900 --> 00:25:10,900
But I'm not going to talk down

856
00:25:10,900 --> 00:25:13,266
on folks who feel enraged in

857
00:25:13,333 --> 00:25:15,300
their actions and the actions

858
00:25:15,300 --> 00:25:16,100
that come after that.

859
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:17,600
So the protests have continued

860
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:18,366
since Saturday.

861
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:19,666
We've seen some disturbing

862
00:25:19,666 --> 00:25:21,566
videos of escalation of force

863
00:25:21,566 --> 00:25:22,633
with wooden bullets rubber

864
00:25:22,633 --> 00:25:24,666
bullets tear gas I believe.

865
00:25:24,933 --> 00:25:25,633
What do you think about the

866
00:25:25,633 --> 00:25:26,866
escalation of police force and

867
00:25:26,866 --> 00:25:28,400
do you think that that hurts

868
00:25:29,233 --> 00:25:30,066
maintain the peace.

869
00:25:30,166 --> 00:25:31,600
Absolutely I think that's very

870
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:32,400
disappointing.

871
00:25:32,466 --> 00:25:33,800
It is our First Amendment right

872
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,166
to assemble and to protest

873
00:25:35,166 --> 00:25:35,700
peacefully.

874
00:25:35,733 --> 00:25:36,800
And I think that that's being

875
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,066
violated with excessive force

876
00:25:39,066 --> 00:25:40,200
when it's clear that people are

877
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:41,266
out there fighting for their

878
00:25:41,266 --> 00:25:41,700
rights.

879
00:25:42,066 --> 00:25:44,266
I think that Texas as a whole we

880
00:25:44,266 --> 00:25:45,200
can come together and we can

881
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:46,433
definitely do better when it

882
00:25:46,433 --> 00:25:47,733
comes to legislation.

883
00:25:48,033 --> 00:25:49,333
I mean communicating with the

884
00:25:49,333 --> 00:25:49,966
community.

885
00:25:50,300 --> 00:25:52,266
I think that we have to stay

886
00:25:52,266 --> 00:25:53,766
safe and for organizers like me

887
00:25:53,766 --> 00:25:55,833
I now have to switch up the game

888
00:25:55,833 --> 00:25:57,000
I have to figure out how to keep

889
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,933
organizing and keeping people

890
00:25:58,933 --> 00:26:01,166
safe because you know law

891
00:26:01,166 --> 00:26:03,333
enforcement seems to have an

892
00:26:03,333 --> 00:26:03,700
agenda.

893
00:26:03,900 --> 00:26:04,133
Yeah.

894
00:26:04,233 --> 00:26:05,333
So you have to define an agenda

895
00:26:05,333 --> 00:26:06,500
to counteract that right.

896
00:26:06,566 --> 00:26:08,300
What do you kind of besides the

897
00:26:08,300 --> 00:26:09,633
de-escalation of force.

898
00:26:09,766 --> 00:26:10,866
Well what are you thinking about

899
00:26:10,866 --> 00:26:12,600
are the top priorities of the

900
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:13,966
agenda right now the top

901
00:26:13,966 --> 00:26:15,300
priorities of the agenda are

902
00:26:15,533 --> 00:26:16,633
doing interviews like this

903
00:26:16,633 --> 00:26:18,133
keeping the conversation going

904
00:26:18,300 --> 00:26:20,466
being open with the media having

905
00:26:20,466 --> 00:26:21,866
a black activist come out on the

906
00:26:21,866 --> 00:26:23,066
record because a lot of black

907
00:26:23,100 --> 00:26:24,800
activists are scared to speak up

908
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,266
on camera because our lives are

909
00:26:26,266 --> 00:26:28,100
in danger for what we do the

910
00:26:28,100 --> 00:26:29,966
community the Latino community

911
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:31,466
everybody coming together to

912
00:26:31,466 --> 00:26:33,000
stand in solidarity is super

913
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:33,433
important.

914
00:26:33,433 --> 00:26:35,100
I could have absolutely not done

915
00:26:35,100 --> 00:26:36,300
any of this without the Brown

916
00:26:36,300 --> 00:26:37,700
Berets without the community.

917
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:42,233
So I'm very grateful but I'm I'm

918
00:26:42,233 --> 00:26:43,366
just getting another black life

919
00:26:43,366 --> 00:26:44,800
will be lost and other black

920
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,166
lives have been lost protesting.

921
00:26:46,566 --> 00:26:47,766
So what happens a lot to your

922
00:26:47,766 --> 00:26:49,633
point is we have these videos

923
00:26:49,633 --> 00:26:50,600
that come out and people are

924
00:26:50,766 --> 00:26:51,800
outraged by them and there's

925
00:26:51,833 --> 00:26:53,366
some protest and then a few

926
00:26:53,366 --> 00:26:54,666
weeks goes by and it kind of

927
00:26:54,666 --> 00:26:55,733
dies down and then there's

928
00:26:55,766 --> 00:26:57,166
another incident just for

929
00:26:57,166 --> 00:26:58,500
centuries of that right it seems

930
00:26:58,500 --> 00:26:58,733
like.

931
00:26:58,766 --> 00:27:00,633
And so my question for you is

932
00:27:01,066 --> 00:27:02,166
you're interested in keeping

933
00:27:02,166 --> 00:27:03,166
this on top of the agenda.

934
00:27:03,233 --> 00:27:04,166
What are you going to do to keep

935
00:27:04,166 --> 00:27:05,266
it on top of the agenda.

936
00:27:05,466 --> 00:27:06,366
You said media.

937
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:07,233
Is there anything else you have

938
00:27:07,233 --> 00:27:07,533
in mind.

939
00:27:07,666 --> 00:27:08,866
Absolutely I'm going to keep

940
00:27:08,866 --> 00:27:10,100
organizing I'm working on

941
00:27:10,100 --> 00:27:11,833
projects in the community where

942
00:27:11,833 --> 00:27:13,100
the community can come together

943
00:27:13,100 --> 00:27:14,966
and really just kind of debrief

944
00:27:15,500 --> 00:27:17,500
and actually you know mourn the

945
00:27:17,500 --> 00:27:19,166
loss of the lives lost.

946
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,100
I'm working on a painting a

947
00:27:21,100 --> 00:27:21,900
mural painting that the

948
00:27:21,900 --> 00:27:23,100
community can come and paint.

949
00:27:23,500 --> 00:27:24,466
I'm I'm working on just

950
00:27:24,466 --> 00:27:25,300
different strategies.

951
00:27:25,300 --> 00:27:26,400
I definitely am not done

952
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:27,466
protesting I'm not done

953
00:27:27,466 --> 00:27:29,266
exercising my right I just have

954
00:27:29,266 --> 00:27:31,000
to go about it a different way

955
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,700
now with all of the legal

956
00:27:32,700 --> 00:27:34,500
ramifications that I could face.

957
00:27:34,733 --> 00:27:36,266
So speaking of the history of

958
00:27:36,266 --> 00:27:38,166
protest you made some headlines

959
00:27:38,166 --> 00:27:39,366
when you were UTSA student

960
00:27:39,366 --> 00:27:40,733
talking about the sexual assault

961
00:27:40,733 --> 00:27:41,866
policies on campus.

962
00:27:42,133 --> 00:27:43,000
I think there are some changes

963
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,133
result of your activism can you

964
00:27:44,133 --> 00:27:45,333
talk about that activism and the

965
00:27:45,333 --> 00:27:46,133
change that came about.

966
00:27:46,533 --> 00:27:47,033
Yes yes.

967
00:27:47,466 --> 00:27:49,166
A year ago at UTSA I started to

968
00:27:49,166 --> 00:27:50,933
move called Hashtag change rape

969
00:27:50,933 --> 00:27:52,733
culture and I fought for these

970
00:27:52,733 --> 00:27:53,566
these survivors.

971
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:54,466
I mean for the rights of

972
00:27:54,466 --> 00:27:57,133
survivors on campus pertaining

973
00:27:57,133 --> 00:27:58,400
to sexual assault and violence I

974
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,166
challenged UTSA as Title 9

975
00:28:00,166 --> 00:28:02,433
policies I had questions about

976
00:28:02,466 --> 00:28:04,466
investigations about Survivor

977
00:28:04,466 --> 00:28:06,200
representation on campus and so

978
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:07,500
I pushed and I pushed and I

979
00:28:07,500 --> 00:28:10,000
pushed and I never expected to

980
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:10,666
make headlines.

981
00:28:10,700 --> 00:28:11,766
I just really wanted a

982
00:28:11,766 --> 00:28:13,433
conversation to start on campus

983
00:28:13,766 --> 00:28:15,466
but from there I was not

984
00:28:15,466 --> 00:28:17,266
satisfied with the response and

985
00:28:17,266 --> 00:28:19,700
I really just kept my foot on

986
00:28:19,700 --> 00:28:22,200
UTSA as NEC per say and I move

987
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:23,366
around to other institutions

988
00:28:23,366 --> 00:28:24,566
around San Antonio and do the

989
00:28:24,566 --> 00:28:25,833
same thing I question their

990
00:28:25,833 --> 00:28:27,200
Title 9 and their policies.

991
00:28:27,466 --> 00:28:28,200
Do you feel like that was a

992
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:29,466
worthwhile cause of course

993
00:28:29,500 --> 00:28:30,666
because you're continuing to

994
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,533
your line of advocacy right.

995
00:28:32,766 --> 00:28:33,400
Absolutely.

996
00:28:33,466 --> 00:28:34,066
Do you feel like you're the

997
00:28:34,066 --> 00:28:34,933
voice of a generation.

998
00:28:34,966 --> 00:28:36,000
I mean a lot of young people get

999
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,366
a bad rap for not being engaged

1000
00:28:37,366 --> 00:28:38,800
enough but you are changing rape

1001
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:39,900
culture of the Black Lives

1002
00:28:39,900 --> 00:28:40,266
Matter.

1003
00:28:40,266 --> 00:28:41,500
I mean do you feel like you're

1004
00:28:41,566 --> 00:28:42,633
you're a voice for a lot of

1005
00:28:42,633 --> 00:28:42,966
people.

1006
00:28:43,566 --> 00:28:45,300
I feel like I could be but I do

1007
00:28:45,300 --> 00:28:46,766
know that I could not be where I

1008
00:28:46,766 --> 00:28:47,933
am without my ancestors.

1009
00:28:47,966 --> 00:28:49,066
I know that I could not be where

1010
00:28:49,066 --> 00:28:50,166
I am without the people who

1011
00:28:50,166 --> 00:28:51,133
marched before me.

1012
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:52,766
So because they marched I can

1013
00:28:52,766 --> 00:28:54,300
continue to march and I always

1014
00:28:54,300 --> 00:28:55,466
want to give credence to that.

1015
00:28:56,166 --> 00:28:57,966
So you know there's this history

1016
00:28:57,966 --> 00:28:58,666
of activism.

1017
00:28:58,733 --> 00:29:00,766
What's what's new for you what's

1018
00:29:00,766 --> 00:29:01,466
new for me.

1019
00:29:01,533 --> 00:29:02,266
We'll see.

1020
00:29:02,333 --> 00:29:03,533
I'm just kind of going wherever

1021
00:29:03,533 --> 00:29:04,533
the wind blows me.

1022
00:29:04,566 --> 00:29:06,433
But I do know that speaking up

1023
00:29:06,433 --> 00:29:08,866
for these things it's almost

1024
00:29:08,866 --> 00:29:10,466
like a calling for myself and

1025
00:29:10,466 --> 00:29:13,033
for others it's the 21st century

1026
00:29:13,033 --> 00:29:14,900
it's 20 20 and people are still

1027
00:29:14,900 --> 00:29:16,100
getting shot in the street and

1028
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:17,300
executed publicly.

1029
00:29:17,333 --> 00:29:18,533
So what's the one message you'd

1030
00:29:18,533 --> 00:29:19,400
want our viewers to take away

1031
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:19,700
from this.

1032
00:29:20,166 --> 00:29:21,966
I want people to take away that

1033
00:29:21,966 --> 00:29:23,566
hashtag black lives matter and

1034
00:29:23,566 --> 00:29:24,933
that San Antonio cares about

1035
00:29:24,933 --> 00:29:25,766
black lives.

1036
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:27,700
And I care about black lives and

1037
00:29:27,700 --> 00:29:28,633
we need to keep this

1038
00:29:28,633 --> 00:29:29,666
conversation going.

1039
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:30,400
Can be a factor.

1040
00:29:30,433 --> 00:29:31,500
Thank you for your advocacy and

1041
00:29:31,500 --> 00:29:32,333
thank you for joining us.

1042
00:29:32,366 --> 00:29:37,766
Thank you the protests and the

1043
00:29:37,766 --> 00:29:39,400
aftermath have been particularly

1044
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:40,500
difficult for downtown

1045
00:29:40,500 --> 00:29:41,100
businesses.

1046
00:29:41,133 --> 00:29:43,433
Joining us uk and Christian Oba

1047
00:29:43,733 --> 00:29:45,300
with a cool public relations.

1048
00:29:45,433 --> 00:29:46,500
What is the impact of the

1049
00:29:46,500 --> 00:29:48,466
protests in the aftermath on

1050
00:29:48,466 --> 00:29:49,033
your business.

1051
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:50,933
Business has been good.

1052
00:29:51,033 --> 00:29:52,866
You know we've had a nice little

1053
00:29:52,866 --> 00:29:54,600
reprieve in the two months of

1054
00:29:54,966 --> 00:29:56,300
Colvin we've been able to

1055
00:29:56,300 --> 00:29:59,200
reconnect and with our brand as

1056
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:00,133
well as reconnect with our

1057
00:30:00,133 --> 00:30:00,566
community.

1058
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,966
But since the devastating tragic

1059
00:30:03,966 --> 00:30:05,900
loss of great of Judge Floyd

1060
00:30:06,933 --> 00:30:08,966
we've been really active in just

1061
00:30:08,966 --> 00:30:10,300
connecting and connecting and

1062
00:30:10,300 --> 00:30:13,233
connecting with our community by

1063
00:30:13,233 --> 00:30:14,533
way of our brands that we work

1064
00:30:14,533 --> 00:30:14,900
for.

1065
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,066
So business has been unscathed.

1066
00:30:18,300 --> 00:30:19,166
That's good news.

1067
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:20,833
Your business headquarters is

1068
00:30:20,833 --> 00:30:22,500
located at Alamo and Houston I

1069
00:30:22,500 --> 00:30:24,533
understand or Broadway and

1070
00:30:24,533 --> 00:30:25,533
Houston who's struggling in

1071
00:30:25,533 --> 00:30:25,800
Houston.

1072
00:30:25,866 --> 00:30:26,866
That's near the Alamo.

1073
00:30:26,900 --> 00:30:28,166
You were near the protests.

1074
00:30:28,266 --> 00:30:29,600
Yes I understand that you've

1075
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:30,866
provided some refuge and you

1076
00:30:30,866 --> 00:30:32,000
were kind of involved with that.

1077
00:30:32,500 --> 00:30:33,366
What was that.

1078
00:30:33,500 --> 00:30:35,733
So prior to the protest starting

1079
00:30:35,733 --> 00:30:37,066
we had a few friends of ours

1080
00:30:37,066 --> 00:30:38,466
actually stopped by our office

1081
00:30:38,466 --> 00:30:39,966
and we just organized got

1082
00:30:39,966 --> 00:30:41,666
ourselves together and then we

1083
00:30:41,666 --> 00:30:43,500
took the walk to Travis and then

1084
00:30:43,500 --> 00:30:44,666
walked with the peaceful

1085
00:30:44,666 --> 00:30:46,200
protests after the protest

1086
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:46,966
ended.

1087
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,333
We all walked back to Travis

1088
00:30:48,966 --> 00:30:50,566
office over in a bar in Houston

1089
00:30:50,966 --> 00:30:51,933
right in the middle.

1090
00:30:51,966 --> 00:30:53,633
Our office is right there on

1091
00:30:53,633 --> 00:30:55,266
Broadway right before you turned

1092
00:30:55,266 --> 00:30:57,966
the corner down commerce.

1093
00:30:58,966 --> 00:31:00,766
It was just reasonable to stop

1094
00:31:00,766 --> 00:31:02,300
and get some water meet up with

1095
00:31:02,300 --> 00:31:05,000
some friends kind of watch just

1096
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,800
people watch for a moment and

1097
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:07,866
just experience it.

1098
00:31:08,266 --> 00:31:09,266
So I know that there was some

1099
00:31:09,266 --> 00:31:10,466
vandalism and stuff that

1100
00:31:10,466 --> 00:31:11,600
happened in the evening with

1101
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,333
some agitators who did that.

1102
00:31:13,366 --> 00:31:14,400
Did your business get affected

1103
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:14,733
by that.

1104
00:31:15,133 --> 00:31:15,366
No.

1105
00:31:15,433 --> 00:31:16,566
Of this business were affected

1106
00:31:16,566 --> 00:31:16,866
by that.

1107
00:31:17,133 --> 00:31:17,566
That's great.

1108
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,133
Then the cleanup the next day

1109
00:31:19,166 --> 00:31:20,433
Sunday that was an inspiring

1110
00:31:20,433 --> 00:31:21,700
message I know that you probably

1111
00:31:21,700 --> 00:31:23,400
had some friends and clients out

1112
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:24,300
there what would you think about

1113
00:31:24,300 --> 00:31:24,500
that.

1114
00:31:24,766 --> 00:31:26,266
We loved the cleanup the way the

1115
00:31:26,266 --> 00:31:27,266
scientific community came

1116
00:31:27,266 --> 00:31:29,000
together and helped out.

1117
00:31:29,033 --> 00:31:30,566
We even had a prior business

1118
00:31:30,566 --> 00:31:32,466
owner who had a store next to

1119
00:31:32,466 --> 00:31:32,666
us.

1120
00:31:32,733 --> 00:31:34,700
He came from came back into the

1121
00:31:34,700 --> 00:31:36,966
town and actually assisted a few

1122
00:31:36,966 --> 00:31:38,266
of the other folks that were

1123
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:39,866
affected by the looting.

1124
00:31:40,033 --> 00:31:41,300
So what do you see moving

1125
00:31:41,300 --> 00:31:41,733
forward.

1126
00:31:41,766 --> 00:31:42,733
I know that we've we're in about

1127
00:31:42,733 --> 00:31:44,500
a week of protests and I know

1128
00:31:44,500 --> 00:31:46,166
that people are still angry and

1129
00:31:46,433 --> 00:31:47,400
understandably so.

1130
00:31:47,466 --> 00:31:48,166
What do you wear where do you

1131
00:31:48,166 --> 00:31:48,700
see it going.

1132
00:31:50,100 --> 00:31:52,433
I see a lot of people gaining a

1133
00:31:52,433 --> 00:31:53,266
new voice.

1134
00:31:53,700 --> 00:31:56,200
I see everyday folks on the

1135
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:57,533
march was just everyday people

1136
00:31:57,533 --> 00:31:58,800
using their everyday voices.

1137
00:31:59,300 --> 00:32:01,566
I see everyday people speaking

1138
00:32:01,566 --> 00:32:03,133
up against discrimination

1139
00:32:03,133 --> 00:32:05,333
speaking up against anti

1140
00:32:05,333 --> 00:32:07,566
blackness and then speaking up

1141
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,533
against speaking up for

1142
00:32:09,533 --> 00:32:10,933
accountability within our

1143
00:32:10,933 --> 00:32:11,766
decision makers.

1144
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,833
And so I see more people taking

1145
00:32:13,833 --> 00:32:16,433
a stance and that's the future

1146
00:32:16,433 --> 00:32:17,000
of the movement.

1147
00:32:17,033 --> 00:32:18,133
That's something that we haven't

1148
00:32:18,133 --> 00:32:22,433
been able to to get to in past

1149
00:32:22,433 --> 00:32:23,300
years sadly.

1150
00:32:23,566 --> 00:32:25,300
But now there's a lot of you

1151
00:32:25,300 --> 00:32:26,533
know this is it this is we're

1152
00:32:26,533 --> 00:32:27,933
tired of it we're watching

1153
00:32:27,933 --> 00:32:28,700
people who've been on the

1154
00:32:28,700 --> 00:32:30,033
sidelines to take a stand.

1155
00:32:30,066 --> 00:32:30,933
You are do you see that

1156
00:32:30,933 --> 00:32:31,333
happening.

1157
00:32:31,700 --> 00:32:33,100
Yes we do see that happening.

1158
00:32:33,166 --> 00:32:34,233
And I think it's very important

1159
00:32:34,233 --> 00:32:35,033
that people need to take a

1160
00:32:35,033 --> 00:32:35,433
stand.

1161
00:32:35,866 --> 00:32:37,133
If you don't take a stand and

1162
00:32:37,133 --> 00:32:38,333
you're not able to speak truth

1163
00:32:38,333 --> 00:32:40,233
to power all you have is just a

1164
00:32:40,233 --> 00:32:42,733
system that will keep demonizing

1165
00:32:42,766 --> 00:32:44,633
or putting people down and we

1166
00:32:44,633 --> 00:32:45,766
don't need that anymore

1167
00:32:46,033 --> 00:32:47,166
especially in 21st century

1168
00:32:47,166 --> 00:32:47,666
society.

1169
00:32:47,900 --> 00:32:48,200
So that's.

1170
00:32:48,366 --> 00:32:49,433
That seems like a positive

1171
00:32:49,466 --> 00:32:50,766
outcome it's been tragic

1172
00:32:50,833 --> 00:32:51,933
circumstances all the way

1173
00:32:51,933 --> 00:32:52,466
around.

1174
00:32:52,833 --> 00:32:54,133
You said you represent the

1175
00:32:54,133 --> 00:32:55,333
hospitality industry.

1176
00:32:55,366 --> 00:32:56,200
I know that they've been have a

1177
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,500
lot of trouble with the code in

1178
00:32:58,500 --> 00:32:59,100
the shut down.

1179
00:32:59,166 --> 00:33:00,400
What has been the reaction in

1180
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,133
the hospitality industry to the

1181
00:33:02,133 --> 00:33:03,400
corona virus and how you've

1182
00:33:03,433 --> 00:33:04,400
you've responded to that.

1183
00:33:05,166 --> 00:33:07,833
Our clients have had a very

1184
00:33:08,266 --> 00:33:09,866
tumultuous experience in terms

1185
00:33:09,866 --> 00:33:11,300
of making sure that they can

1186
00:33:11,300 --> 00:33:13,733
keep employees making sure that

1187
00:33:13,733 --> 00:33:15,233
they can voice to their

1188
00:33:15,233 --> 00:33:16,600
communities their open hours and

1189
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:17,666
close hours of course.

1190
00:33:18,266 --> 00:33:20,300
We've been able to work with a

1191
00:33:20,433 --> 00:33:21,833
local favorite called The Joke

1192
00:33:21,833 --> 00:33:24,333
check and they've created these

1193
00:33:24,333 --> 00:33:26,066
bundles is watching these

1194
00:33:26,066 --> 00:33:27,466
business owners create these

1195
00:33:27,466 --> 00:33:29,533
pivots in how they offer their

1196
00:33:29,533 --> 00:33:31,166
services especially the

1197
00:33:31,166 --> 00:33:32,500
restaurant industry.

1198
00:33:33,066 --> 00:33:34,866
They've opened up their doors to

1199
00:33:34,866 --> 00:33:36,266
become supermarkets for their

1200
00:33:36,266 --> 00:33:38,266
community to do food drives to

1201
00:33:38,266 --> 00:33:39,800
drop our food in the front lines

1202
00:33:40,133 --> 00:33:42,366
of code that first responders

1203
00:33:42,633 --> 00:33:44,433
and then now you see different

1204
00:33:44,433 --> 00:33:46,366
restaurants offering to assist

1205
00:33:46,700 --> 00:33:48,400
marchers by dropping off water

1206
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:49,833
and paying it forward.

1207
00:33:50,333 --> 00:33:51,700
The amount of care and

1208
00:33:51,700 --> 00:33:53,466
compassion that came to these

1209
00:33:53,466 --> 00:33:54,866
owners during the course of it

1210
00:33:54,866 --> 00:33:56,500
pandemic and that we're still in

1211
00:33:56,500 --> 00:33:58,966
the middle of they are paying it

1212
00:33:58,966 --> 00:34:00,333
for it to the community and it's

1213
00:34:00,333 --> 00:34:01,900
really becoming very very

1214
00:34:01,900 --> 00:34:03,300
inspirational absolutely

1215
00:34:03,300 --> 00:34:04,033
inspirational.

1216
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:05,300
Speaking of inspirational I know

1217
00:34:05,300 --> 00:34:06,333
that you were involved with

1218
00:34:06,333 --> 00:34:07,866
organizing a processional for

1219
00:34:07,866 --> 00:34:09,266
George Floyd on Saturday morning

1220
00:34:09,266 --> 00:34:10,533
I think seventy five cars.

1221
00:34:10,566 --> 00:34:11,533
Can you talk about that.

1222
00:34:11,900 --> 00:34:14,100
I was joined with Katherine

1223
00:34:14,100 --> 00:34:14,400
Pruitt.

1224
00:34:14,433 --> 00:34:16,166
She is the editor of ethical

1225
00:34:16,233 --> 00:34:16,466
sales.

1226
00:34:17,166 --> 00:34:18,533
And Celeste a lot of brown.

1227
00:34:18,566 --> 00:34:20,400
She's a local policy changer

1228
00:34:20,466 --> 00:34:23,200
influencer and we got together

1229
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,200
and we wanted to both respect

1230
00:34:26,433 --> 00:34:28,933
show some respect to these lost

1231
00:34:28,933 --> 00:34:29,500
souls.

1232
00:34:29,700 --> 00:34:31,633
So we were marching we decided

1233
00:34:31,666 --> 00:34:33,533
that marching would be a little

1234
00:34:33,533 --> 00:34:35,533
bit hard for the entire

1235
00:34:35,533 --> 00:34:38,533
community to participate in and

1236
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:39,900
a processional in a place like

1237
00:34:39,900 --> 00:34:42,033
San Antonio that respects things

1238
00:34:42,033 --> 00:34:44,600
like life as well as death and

1239
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:45,566
the family ties.

1240
00:34:45,966 --> 00:34:47,800
It was it was something that

1241
00:34:48,466 --> 00:34:50,300
that was transitional for our

1242
00:34:50,300 --> 00:34:50,766
movement.

1243
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:52,266
It caught the eyes and the

1244
00:34:52,266 --> 00:34:53,900
attention of our network and we

1245
00:34:53,900 --> 00:34:54,766
were able to do that.

1246
00:34:55,033 --> 00:34:56,266
And it became a very personal

1247
00:34:56,266 --> 00:34:57,066
experience.

1248
00:34:57,733 --> 00:34:59,766
Afterwards we socially distance

1249
00:34:59,766 --> 00:35:02,400
in a large parking lot and we

1250
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,133
shared words and you to see

1251
00:35:05,133 --> 00:35:07,200
black women standing up in front

1252
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,733
of these crowds of black brown

1253
00:35:10,733 --> 00:35:13,466
and white neighbors good people.

1254
00:35:13,900 --> 00:35:15,133
It was definitely something I

1255
00:35:15,133 --> 00:35:16,433
had never seen in San Antonio

1256
00:35:16,433 --> 00:35:18,766
before and something I look

1257
00:35:18,766 --> 00:35:21,233
forward to definitely seeing

1258
00:35:21,266 --> 00:35:22,100
again very soon.

1259
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:23,366
When you said that words were

1260
00:35:23,366 --> 00:35:24,500
exchanged what kinds of words.

1261
00:35:24,533 --> 00:35:25,366
What was the message.

1262
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,300
The message was was of course

1263
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,266
solidarity making sure our

1264
00:35:31,266 --> 00:35:33,666
community understands how hurt

1265
00:35:33,966 --> 00:35:35,966
we are as black Americans.

1266
00:35:36,233 --> 00:35:38,700
How how this affects the way we

1267
00:35:38,700 --> 00:35:40,566
raise our boys the way we

1268
00:35:40,833 --> 00:35:42,166
introduce our daughters to the

1269
00:35:42,166 --> 00:35:42,666
community.

1270
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,633
We shared messages of how to

1271
00:35:45,633 --> 00:35:47,066
create the change that we want

1272
00:35:47,066 --> 00:35:49,200
to see in terms of reaching out

1273
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:50,833
to policymakers and ensuring

1274
00:35:50,833 --> 00:35:52,333
that we educate ourselves on

1275
00:35:52,333 --> 00:35:53,500
what these policies and

1276
00:35:53,500 --> 00:35:56,133
securities me especially in our

1277
00:35:56,133 --> 00:35:57,033
law enforcement.

1278
00:35:57,433 --> 00:35:59,300
And then I shared a story of my

1279
00:35:59,300 --> 00:36:02,433
brother who was detained over

1280
00:36:02,433 --> 00:36:04,833
the over a insufficient claim.

1281
00:36:05,266 --> 00:36:06,533
And it led to his downward

1282
00:36:06,533 --> 00:36:07,133
spiral.

1283
00:36:07,433 --> 00:36:09,633
And so we created a great sense

1284
00:36:09,700 --> 00:36:11,833
of community that that that

1285
00:36:12,533 --> 00:36:14,366
provided comfort and compassion.

1286
00:36:14,700 --> 00:36:15,966
And then at the same time really

1287
00:36:16,300 --> 00:36:18,033
hopefully created some change.

1288
00:36:18,066 --> 00:36:18,866
Hope to hear more of those

1289
00:36:18,866 --> 00:36:20,166
stories to create that change.

1290
00:36:20,233 --> 00:36:21,866
Speaking of change downtown has

1291
00:36:21,866 --> 00:36:22,933
been changed a lot.

1292
00:36:22,966 --> 00:36:24,400
We went from being dead from the

1293
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:25,233
cold and shut down.

1294
00:36:25,466 --> 00:36:26,566
Now we've had these these

1295
00:36:26,666 --> 00:36:28,033
protests and it's been kind of

1296
00:36:28,100 --> 00:36:28,433
strange.

1297
00:36:28,633 --> 00:36:29,700
Y'all have been downtown

1298
00:36:29,933 --> 00:36:31,233
supporters and activists for

1299
00:36:31,233 --> 00:36:32,366
quite some time would say What

1300
00:36:32,366 --> 00:36:33,433
do you what do you think is the

1301
00:36:33,433 --> 00:36:34,200
future downtown.

1302
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:35,666
Well I think the future of

1303
00:36:35,666 --> 00:36:37,500
downtown is very very good.

1304
00:36:38,166 --> 00:36:39,333
I do believe that there is an

1305
00:36:39,333 --> 00:36:41,166
opportunity for us to have more

1306
00:36:41,166 --> 00:36:42,566
diverse community business

1307
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,166
owners being part of downtown.

1308
00:36:44,466 --> 00:36:46,133
And for you know other business

1309
00:36:46,133 --> 00:36:47,400
owners or people of color to see

1310
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:48,500
downtown as an opportunity to

1311
00:36:48,500 --> 00:36:50,066
grow themselves grow their

1312
00:36:50,066 --> 00:36:52,000
network grow their family wealth

1313
00:36:52,033 --> 00:36:53,566
and at the same time grow their

1314
00:36:53,566 --> 00:36:54,166
passion.

1315
00:36:54,533 --> 00:36:55,966
So you know we always see

1316
00:36:55,966 --> 00:36:57,133
stories of folks that when they

1317
00:36:57,133 --> 00:36:58,600
start a business they go out to

1318
00:36:58,666 --> 00:37:00,366
stonewall or they go down to the

1319
00:37:00,366 --> 00:37:02,066
south side and understand that

1320
00:37:02,066 --> 00:37:03,366
economically sometimes that can

1321
00:37:03,366 --> 00:37:03,800
be better.

1322
00:37:04,100 --> 00:37:06,033
But in order to have a thriving

1323
00:37:06,066 --> 00:37:08,500
San Antonio really fully in the

1324
00:37:08,766 --> 00:37:11,833
the mayor's mandate of focusing

1325
00:37:11,833 --> 00:37:13,266
on downtown growing the urban

1326
00:37:13,266 --> 00:37:15,066
core is something that everyone

1327
00:37:15,066 --> 00:37:15,733
should get behind.

1328
00:37:16,066 --> 00:37:17,600
Well sad to say but Christian

1329
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:18,733
read us but thank you all for

1330
00:37:18,733 --> 00:37:19,833
joining us and thanks for all

1331
00:37:19,833 --> 00:37:20,600
you're doing in our community.

1332
00:37:20,733 --> 00:37:21,633
Thank you for having us.

1333
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:26,600
Now for the reporters roundtable

1334
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:27,900
joining us is join Pelosi as

1335
00:37:27,900 --> 00:37:29,100
local government reporter Texas

1336
00:37:29,100 --> 00:37:30,400
Public Radio and Emily Eaton

1337
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:31,466
criminal justice reporter San

1338
00:37:31,466 --> 00:37:32,400
Antonio Express News.

1339
00:37:32,700 --> 00:37:33,533
Emily what's been going on the

1340
00:37:33,533 --> 00:37:34,066
last week.

1341
00:37:34,733 --> 00:37:36,100
Well for the last five days

1342
00:37:36,133 --> 00:37:37,566
we've seen demonstrations and

1343
00:37:37,566 --> 00:37:40,066
protests in San Antonio and on

1344
00:37:40,066 --> 00:37:42,200
two occasions both on Saturday

1345
00:37:42,233 --> 00:37:43,100
and Tuesday.

1346
00:37:43,133 --> 00:37:45,100
We saw police use force on the

1347
00:37:45,100 --> 00:37:47,366
demonstrators in an effort to

1348
00:37:47,366 --> 00:37:48,800
sort of disperse the crowd.

1349
00:37:48,866 --> 00:37:50,700
They say although that has

1350
00:37:50,700 --> 00:37:52,200
obviously gotten some attention

1351
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:53,366
from the demonstrators and they

1352
00:37:53,366 --> 00:37:55,000
say that wasn't justified.

1353
00:37:55,233 --> 00:37:57,166
So both of you were at the event

1354
00:37:57,166 --> 00:37:58,633
on Tuesday when there was sort

1355
00:37:58,633 --> 00:38:01,000
of a an intense interaction.

1356
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:01,800
Can you describe your

1357
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:02,166
perspective.

1358
00:38:02,766 --> 00:38:03,300
Absolutely.

1359
00:38:03,333 --> 00:38:05,400
So for it started around 5:00

1360
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,866
p.m. at the courthouse and it

1361
00:38:07,866 --> 00:38:10,400
was a rather weird demonstration

1362
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:11,466
in that there was no one

1363
00:38:11,466 --> 00:38:12,266
organizer.

1364
00:38:12,766 --> 00:38:14,666
And so at times it seemed rather

1365
00:38:14,666 --> 00:38:16,100
aimless it would they would go

1366
00:38:16,100 --> 00:38:17,266
to the police department that

1367
00:38:17,300 --> 00:38:18,066
they would come back.

1368
00:38:18,133 --> 00:38:19,133
Then they would go to the police

1369
00:38:19,133 --> 00:38:19,966
department then they would come

1370
00:38:19,966 --> 00:38:20,366
back.

1371
00:38:20,766 --> 00:38:22,000
And so that went on for about

1372
00:38:22,566 --> 00:38:24,400
three or four hours and finally

1373
00:38:24,433 --> 00:38:26,366
they ended up at Travis park and

1374
00:38:26,366 --> 00:38:28,333
then they decided to go to Alamo

1375
00:38:28,333 --> 00:38:30,300
Plaza which of course was closed

1376
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,566
to try to curtail any type of

1377
00:38:32,566 --> 00:38:34,166
demonstrations there or any type

1378
00:38:34,166 --> 00:38:34,933
of unrest.

1379
00:38:35,366 --> 00:38:36,833
And so once they arrived there

1380
00:38:36,833 --> 00:38:38,766
they were greeted by a line of

1381
00:38:38,766 --> 00:38:41,600
police officers and more police

1382
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:42,466
officers came in and the

1383
00:38:42,466 --> 00:38:44,900
traditional riot gear including

1384
00:38:44,900 --> 00:38:47,133
the helmet and the face shields

1385
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,066
and the body body armor and some

1386
00:38:49,066 --> 00:38:50,066
had gas masks.

1387
00:38:50,500 --> 00:38:52,833
And from my perspective I was

1388
00:38:52,866 --> 00:38:54,266
standing right near Ripley's

1389
00:38:54,266 --> 00:38:55,033
Believe It Or Not.

1390
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,033
And I was actually right next to

1391
00:38:57,033 --> 00:38:58,733
Joey and we were both taking

1392
00:38:58,733 --> 00:39:01,733
video of the demonstrators and

1393
00:39:02,166 --> 00:39:05,633
one demonstrator threw a plastic

1394
00:39:05,633 --> 00:39:07,400
water bottle at the police

1395
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:07,966
officers.

1396
00:39:08,033 --> 00:39:09,766
It bounced off his chest sort

1397
00:39:09,766 --> 00:39:09,900
of.

1398
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,433
He sort of just shrugged.

1399
00:39:11,500 --> 00:39:12,400
He sort of just flinched

1400
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,233
shrugged and it went on the

1401
00:39:15,233 --> 00:39:17,600
ground and then all of a couple

1402
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:18,733
of demonstrators said you know

1403
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,100
hey cut it out that's not what

1404
00:39:20,100 --> 00:39:21,166
we're here for.

1405
00:39:21,466 --> 00:39:22,600
We're here for peace.

1406
00:39:23,133 --> 00:39:24,933
And it was about maybe a a

1407
00:39:24,933 --> 00:39:26,433
minute in 30 seconds or two

1408
00:39:26,433 --> 00:39:27,066
minutes.

1409
00:39:27,466 --> 00:39:30,366
And at that point the police

1410
00:39:30,366 --> 00:39:31,966
officers started using pepper

1411
00:39:31,966 --> 00:39:34,966
bullets and smoke to try to

1412
00:39:34,966 --> 00:39:36,066
disperse the crowd.

1413
00:39:36,733 --> 00:39:37,833
There was a separate incident

1414
00:39:37,866 --> 00:39:40,400
that was going on away from us

1415
00:39:40,433 --> 00:39:41,666
that we didn't see that other

1416
00:39:41,666 --> 00:39:42,666
video captured.

1417
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:43,333
I see.

1418
00:39:43,366 --> 00:39:45,066
So what kind of projectiles were

1419
00:39:45,066 --> 00:39:45,366
used.

1420
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,800
Joey I mean rubber bullets.

1421
00:39:47,900 --> 00:39:48,500
Well what else.

1422
00:39:48,533 --> 00:39:48,833
Right.

1423
00:39:48,866 --> 00:39:51,100
So when police started firing we

1424
00:39:51,100 --> 00:39:52,366
didn't know what was being shot.

1425
00:39:52,633 --> 00:39:54,466
So Emily and I we were standing

1426
00:39:54,466 --> 00:39:55,533
right next to each other.

1427
00:39:55,566 --> 00:39:57,233
And personally I was not going

1428
00:39:57,233 --> 00:39:58,066
to wait to find out.

1429
00:39:58,166 --> 00:40:00,400
So I started running and when I

1430
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,266
started running the entire crowd

1431
00:40:02,266 --> 00:40:03,833
of people just started going up

1432
00:40:03,833 --> 00:40:04,666
Latoya street.

1433
00:40:05,766 --> 00:40:07,566
There was this smell in the air

1434
00:40:08,066 --> 00:40:08,833
afterwards.

1435
00:40:09,466 --> 00:40:10,700
It was really caustic it was

1436
00:40:10,700 --> 00:40:12,600
really it was really it kind of

1437
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:13,800
burned to breathe.

1438
00:40:14,300 --> 00:40:15,633
Don't think it was tear gas.

1439
00:40:16,300 --> 00:40:18,166
My my guess then it was pepper

1440
00:40:18,166 --> 00:40:19,400
pellets but it didn't start

1441
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:20,866
really smelling it until we got

1442
00:40:20,866 --> 00:40:22,366
to the end of last Sawyer Street

1443
00:40:23,033 --> 00:40:25,900
over near forget which street

1444
00:40:25,900 --> 00:40:27,966
exactly it is before we got to

1445
00:40:27,966 --> 00:40:28,466
commerce.

1446
00:40:30,100 --> 00:40:32,000
In an interview that I did with

1447
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,233
CPD spokesman a little bit

1448
00:40:34,466 --> 00:40:37,200
around midnight or so early

1449
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,466
Wednesday they had said that

1450
00:40:39,466 --> 00:40:41,533
they had used tear gas that they

1451
00:40:41,533 --> 00:40:43,266
had used pepper pellets they had

1452
00:40:43,266 --> 00:40:45,866
used rubber bullets and that

1453
00:40:45,866 --> 00:40:49,466
they had used wooden pellets as

1454
00:40:49,466 --> 00:40:51,933
well which if I'm not mistaken

1455
00:40:52,433 --> 00:40:53,600
Mark dumpling with the express

1456
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,600
news was actually hit with one

1457
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:56,866
of those and he tweeted it out

1458
00:40:57,933 --> 00:40:59,333
that it had made contact with

1459
00:40:59,333 --> 00:40:59,566
him.

1460
00:41:01,966 --> 00:41:03,566
As I was going up commerce

1461
00:41:03,566 --> 00:41:06,333
towards La soya this is video

1462
00:41:06,333 --> 00:41:07,566
that I had shared on Twitter.

1463
00:41:08,133 --> 00:41:10,200
Afterwards there were two or

1464
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:11,300
three people running up the

1465
00:41:11,300 --> 00:41:14,033
street and two of them were hit

1466
00:41:14,033 --> 00:41:17,966
by the spark and whatever it was

1467
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,533
fell to the ground and started

1468
00:41:19,533 --> 00:41:23,066
smoking and the two the two guys

1469
00:41:23,100 --> 00:41:24,300
continued running.

1470
00:41:25,100 --> 00:41:26,533
Not sure what that was.

1471
00:41:27,833 --> 00:41:29,800
I was probably maybe some type

1472
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:30,600
of smoke grenade.

1473
00:41:30,733 --> 00:41:33,566
I didn't smell of like tear gas

1474
00:41:34,466 --> 00:41:36,466
but once it hit I started

1475
00:41:36,466 --> 00:41:37,633
running towards Commerce Street

1476
00:41:37,633 --> 00:41:37,900
too.

1477
00:41:37,966 --> 00:41:39,800
So you're describing a pretty

1478
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,100
effective crowd dispersal

1479
00:41:41,100 --> 00:41:42,333
techniques where people were

1480
00:41:42,333 --> 00:41:42,700
running.

1481
00:41:42,966 --> 00:41:44,833
Do we know exactly what caused

1482
00:41:45,300 --> 00:41:45,966
them to fire.

1483
00:41:46,033 --> 00:41:47,633
Those have been kind of

1484
00:41:47,666 --> 00:41:49,266
identified in the other videos

1485
00:41:49,266 --> 00:41:49,766
you mentioned.

1486
00:41:49,866 --> 00:41:52,633
Emily Yes and no.

1487
00:41:53,133 --> 00:41:56,833
So the police say that anytime

1488
00:41:56,933 --> 00:42:00,000
water bottles are used that it

1489
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,333
has the potential to get really

1490
00:42:01,333 --> 00:42:02,400
bad really fast.

1491
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:03,666
And so I think as soon as that

1492
00:42:03,666 --> 00:42:05,200
first water bottle was thrown

1493
00:42:05,733 --> 00:42:06,766
they decided they were going to

1494
00:42:06,766 --> 00:42:09,200
disperse the crowd separately.

1495
00:42:09,266 --> 00:42:10,933
There is a video captured by

1496
00:42:11,233 --> 00:42:12,766
someone a journalist from Metro

1497
00:42:12,866 --> 00:42:14,266
News Service I believe is the

1498
00:42:14,266 --> 00:42:17,066
organization and that video

1499
00:42:17,066 --> 00:42:18,833
shows a couple of demonstrators

1500
00:42:18,866 --> 00:42:21,100
as the riot police officers are

1501
00:42:21,100 --> 00:42:21,866
lining up.

1502
00:42:22,366 --> 00:42:25,733
They're sort of they're a ways

1503
00:42:25,733 --> 00:42:26,800
away from the police officers

1504
00:42:26,833 --> 00:42:28,600
but they're going back and forth

1505
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:29,233
they're being a little

1506
00:42:29,233 --> 00:42:30,433
confrontational.

1507
00:42:30,500 --> 00:42:31,600
They're getting up a little in

1508
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,100
their face and then coming back

1509
00:42:34,300 --> 00:42:36,100
cursing a little bit and the

1510
00:42:36,100 --> 00:42:37,133
officers are doing a little bit

1511
00:42:37,133 --> 00:42:37,566
of the same.

1512
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:38,366
You know they're sort of like

1513
00:42:38,366 --> 00:42:40,066
getting back to pushing on that

1514
00:42:40,100 --> 00:42:40,700
standoff.

1515
00:42:40,933 --> 00:42:41,466
It is.

1516
00:42:41,566 --> 00:42:44,433
And and it's a little unclear

1517
00:42:44,433 --> 00:42:45,300
because the video is a little

1518
00:42:45,300 --> 00:42:49,000
shaky but at that point sort of

1519
00:42:49,133 --> 00:42:50,800
someone lunges for the police

1520
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,233
officer launches forward pushes

1521
00:42:52,233 --> 00:42:53,966
the guy then stands back and

1522
00:42:53,966 --> 00:42:55,266
then several shots were fired.

1523
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:56,866
Jody have a sense of what the

1524
00:42:56,866 --> 00:42:58,833
review is after an incident like

1525
00:42:58,833 --> 00:43:00,266
this internally at CPD.

1526
00:43:00,366 --> 00:43:01,466
Have they shared that with you.

1527
00:43:01,466 --> 00:43:03,200
Do they do an internal audit so

1528
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:03,933
to speak of this.

1529
00:43:04,233 --> 00:43:06,500
Well I afterwards after my video

1530
00:43:06,500 --> 00:43:07,933
was posted online I did get a

1531
00:43:07,933 --> 00:43:09,200
couple of calls from the city

1532
00:43:09,966 --> 00:43:12,466
one from city city spokeswoman

1533
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,700
who was just checking to make

1534
00:43:14,700 --> 00:43:15,300
sure it was OK.

1535
00:43:15,333 --> 00:43:16,966
And then also after I made a

1536
00:43:16,966 --> 00:43:20,166
request to LAPD Lieutenant Jesse

1537
00:43:20,166 --> 00:43:21,433
Solomon called me as well and

1538
00:43:21,433 --> 00:43:22,366
that's when I did the interview

1539
00:43:22,366 --> 00:43:24,100
and he had said what what was

1540
00:43:24,666 --> 00:43:25,266
what was used.

1541
00:43:25,300 --> 00:43:26,533
I would imagine that there's

1542
00:43:26,566 --> 00:43:27,900
there's a review I was expecting

1543
00:43:27,900 --> 00:43:29,200
as a party to have some type of

1544
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:30,866
press conference the next day

1545
00:43:31,166 --> 00:43:32,366
but rather the chief put out a

1546
00:43:32,366 --> 00:43:33,800
lengthy statement about the

1547
00:43:34,266 --> 00:43:35,400
actions that were taken.

1548
00:43:36,300 --> 00:43:39,866
Some of the results they even

1549
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:40,766
think of the chief's statement

1550
00:43:40,766 --> 00:43:41,533
even mentioned that two

1551
00:43:41,533 --> 00:43:44,433
journalists were hit earlier

1552
00:43:44,433 --> 00:43:46,100
today or very early this

1553
00:43:46,100 --> 00:43:46,666
morning.

1554
00:43:47,300 --> 00:43:50,600
No I'm sorry later in the day or

1555
00:43:50,633 --> 00:43:52,566
later in the morning LAPD had

1556
00:43:52,566 --> 00:43:53,666
said how many arrests were made

1557
00:43:53,666 --> 00:43:54,466
and I think there were a total

1558
00:43:54,466 --> 00:43:56,100
of eight they actually listed

1559
00:43:56,100 --> 00:43:59,600
six charges that people had had

1560
00:43:59,666 --> 00:44:01,266
gotten to like maybe inciting a

1561
00:44:01,266 --> 00:44:01,633
riot.

1562
00:44:01,933 --> 00:44:03,500
Was one of them I think one

1563
00:44:03,500 --> 00:44:05,800
person was even crossing against

1564
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,933
a a crossing against the signal

1565
00:44:08,966 --> 00:44:09,800
I think which I thought was an

1566
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:11,133
interesting charge to put

1567
00:44:11,133 --> 00:44:11,666
against somebody.

1568
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:17,000
And I don't know how much what

1569
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:18,466
else we will we will get from

1570
00:44:18,466 --> 00:44:19,100
SIPC.

1571
00:44:19,766 --> 00:44:21,066
I can't recall all of what the

1572
00:44:21,066 --> 00:44:23,000
chief's statement was it was

1573
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,033
extensive it was it was a very

1574
00:44:25,033 --> 00:44:26,100
very long statement.

1575
00:44:26,833 --> 00:44:28,100
But the police department is

1576
00:44:28,100 --> 00:44:29,566
receiving a lot of criticism a

1577
00:44:29,566 --> 00:44:30,900
lot of people had said that they

1578
00:44:31,366 --> 00:44:33,766
don't believe that the use of

1579
00:44:33,766 --> 00:44:35,500
force that LAPD used was

1580
00:44:35,500 --> 00:44:37,500
justified in a question that I

1581
00:44:37,500 --> 00:44:39,133
had asked Lieutenant Solomon.

1582
00:44:39,933 --> 00:44:41,333
He had said that the department

1583
00:44:41,333 --> 00:44:42,666
did believe it was justified

1584
00:44:42,700 --> 00:44:46,733
because of the they don't know

1585
00:44:46,733 --> 00:44:48,166
what the contents of those

1586
00:44:48,166 --> 00:44:49,333
bottles can be.

1587
00:44:50,133 --> 00:44:51,433
He he had alluded to you know

1588
00:44:51,433 --> 00:44:52,400
sometimes they could be filled

1589
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:53,433
with bleach sometimes it could

1590
00:44:53,433 --> 00:44:55,133
be filled with urine but we have

1591
00:44:55,133 --> 00:44:56,833
no way of what note was knowing.

1592
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,433
And we have no way of knowing

1593
00:44:59,633 --> 00:45:01,200
what was in that at least that

1594
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,200
one bottle that we saw was

1595
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:03,533
thrown.

1596
00:45:03,933 --> 00:45:04,966
I think there was also I

1597
00:45:04,966 --> 00:45:05,966
mentioned that you know there

1598
00:45:05,966 --> 00:45:07,166
was a glass bottle thrown.

1599
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,100
I don't remember seeing a glass

1600
00:45:09,100 --> 00:45:10,366
bottle or hearing any glass

1601
00:45:10,366 --> 00:45:10,700
break.

1602
00:45:12,100 --> 00:45:15,066
So you know I'm hoping we'll

1603
00:45:15,733 --> 00:45:17,300
hear more from CPD soon.

1604
00:45:17,433 --> 00:45:18,866
So this is a highly tense

1605
00:45:18,866 --> 00:45:19,500
situation.

1606
00:45:19,500 --> 00:45:20,500
Not a lot of information about

1607
00:45:20,500 --> 00:45:22,066
what's going on from the video

1608
00:45:22,066 --> 00:45:23,033
it seems a little bit like a war

1609
00:45:23,033 --> 00:45:23,800
zone almost.

1610
00:45:23,833 --> 00:45:25,466
Emily did you get any training

1611
00:45:25,466 --> 00:45:26,900
on how to cover stuff like this

1612
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:28,133
in journalism school or any kind

1613
00:45:28,133 --> 00:45:29,033
of certification or do you just

1614
00:45:29,033 --> 00:45:29,800
kind of show up to the front

1615
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:30,800
lines and there you are.

1616
00:45:31,833 --> 00:45:33,233
Yes and no I think the best

1617
00:45:33,233 --> 00:45:35,300
training you can have is to have

1618
00:45:35,300 --> 00:45:35,933
experience.

1619
00:45:35,966 --> 00:45:38,000
And so I too I did a number of

1620
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,400
internships and I had experience

1621
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:42,733
tear gas before.

1622
00:45:43,566 --> 00:45:45,366
I also separate from this had

1623
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,000
witnessed a murder while on the

1624
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:47,433
job.

1625
00:45:47,900 --> 00:45:49,866
So that prepared me for this.

1626
00:45:50,233 --> 00:45:53,200
But there also is no

1627
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:53,866
preparation.

1628
00:45:53,900 --> 00:45:55,366
I mean there state things that

1629
00:45:55,366 --> 00:45:56,600
you can do to make sure that

1630
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,866
you're in buddy systems you know

1631
00:45:58,866 --> 00:45:59,933
a lot of the reporters so you

1632
00:45:59,933 --> 00:46:01,100
can sort of check in on each

1633
00:46:01,100 --> 00:46:01,433
other.

1634
00:46:01,733 --> 00:46:03,366
But then at the end of the day

1635
00:46:04,033 --> 00:46:05,200
you just you have to be smart.

1636
00:46:05,933 --> 00:46:07,266
Emily Eaton So Antonio Express

1637
00:46:07,266 --> 00:46:08,800
News Joy blocks to Texas Public

1638
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:09,833
Radio thank you for joining us.

1639
00:46:13,266 --> 00:46:14,300
For our last segment the

1640
00:46:14,300 --> 00:46:15,700
Reporters Roundtable we have

1641
00:46:15,700 --> 00:46:16,966
Gilbert Garcia metro columnist

1642
00:46:16,966 --> 00:46:17,933
San Antonio Express News.

1643
00:46:17,966 --> 00:46:18,633
Thank you for being here.

1644
00:46:18,700 --> 00:46:18,900
Thank you.

1645
00:46:19,233 --> 00:46:20,566
So it's been quite the Newsweek.

1646
00:46:20,733 --> 00:46:21,766
What was your read on the

1647
00:46:21,766 --> 00:46:22,300
situation.

1648
00:46:22,866 --> 00:46:23,766
Well I think one of things

1649
00:46:23,766 --> 00:46:25,033
that's been interesting has been

1650
00:46:25,033 --> 00:46:25,700
that there has been a lot of

1651
00:46:25,700 --> 00:46:28,300
talk about the media coverage of

1652
00:46:28,300 --> 00:46:30,000
the protests in San Antonio and

1653
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:30,600
other cities.

1654
00:46:30,933 --> 00:46:32,266
And on the one hand you have

1655
00:46:32,266 --> 00:46:34,200
people I think fairly making the

1656
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:34,533
point.

1657
00:46:35,366 --> 00:46:36,300
These are people who are

1658
00:46:36,300 --> 00:46:37,266
supportive of the protesters

1659
00:46:37,300 --> 00:46:39,600
saying that most of the people

1660
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,766
protesting have been doing so

1661
00:46:41,766 --> 00:46:43,366
peacefully and are trying to

1662
00:46:43,366 --> 00:46:45,833
make a serious point about

1663
00:46:45,833 --> 00:46:46,466
police reform.

1664
00:46:47,066 --> 00:46:48,400
And they probably feel that

1665
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:49,700
there's been too much coverage

1666
00:46:49,766 --> 00:46:52,566
of you know the the bad actors

1667
00:46:52,633 --> 00:46:53,666
and the people who've been you

1668
00:46:53,666 --> 00:46:55,000
know committed acts of vandalism

1669
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:55,433
and so on.

1670
00:46:56,733 --> 00:46:57,766
On the other hand you have I've

1671
00:46:57,766 --> 00:46:59,733
heard people say that you know

1672
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:01,033
there's not enough on the other

1673
00:47:01,033 --> 00:47:02,300
side of the aisle saying that

1674
00:47:02,300 --> 00:47:03,466
there has been enough coverage

1675
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:05,700
of some of the the acts of

1676
00:47:05,700 --> 00:47:06,266
violence.

1677
00:47:07,500 --> 00:47:09,733
I think I am often critical of

1678
00:47:09,733 --> 00:47:12,766
24 hour news channels because I

1679
00:47:12,766 --> 00:47:15,000
think that there's a tendency to

1680
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,233
try to fill up a lot of time

1681
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,766
with conjecture and

1682
00:47:18,766 --> 00:47:21,133
pontificating and not so much

1683
00:47:21,533 --> 00:47:22,633
not as much reporting.

1684
00:47:23,033 --> 00:47:23,900
I think this is one of those

1685
00:47:23,900 --> 00:47:25,466
instances though where the 24

1686
00:47:25,466 --> 00:47:27,166
hour news channels have been

1687
00:47:27,166 --> 00:47:29,066
able to do what they are there

1688
00:47:29,266 --> 00:47:30,933
they can often do well which is

1689
00:47:30,933 --> 00:47:31,066
there.

1690
00:47:31,300 --> 00:47:32,700
They have so much time that

1691
00:47:32,700 --> 00:47:34,000
they've had reporters out there

1692
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,333
on the ground in various cities

1693
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,333
and we're able to see over a

1694
00:47:37,333 --> 00:47:39,066
long period of time how some of

1695
00:47:39,066 --> 00:47:40,833
these protests are developing

1696
00:47:40,833 --> 00:47:42,266
and I think what we've seen and

1697
00:47:42,266 --> 00:47:43,500
the thing is this was certainly

1698
00:47:43,500 --> 00:47:44,400
true Saturday night in San

1699
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:45,566
Antonio that we had a really

1700
00:47:45,566 --> 00:47:49,433
peaceful protest and after it it

1701
00:47:49,433 --> 00:47:51,566
basically disbanded you had

1702
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:53,266
people like you East Houston

1703
00:47:53,266 --> 00:47:55,100
Street for example just smashing

1704
00:47:55,100 --> 00:47:56,100
windows and doing a lot of

1705
00:47:56,100 --> 00:47:56,566
damage.

1706
00:47:56,633 --> 00:47:59,166
And I think they were loosely

1707
00:47:59,166 --> 00:48:00,800
affiliated affiliated at all

1708
00:48:00,833 --> 00:48:01,833
with what the protests were.

1709
00:48:02,533 --> 00:48:03,500
So you had thousands of people

1710
00:48:03,500 --> 00:48:04,833
at the protest at Travis park

1711
00:48:04,833 --> 00:48:06,500
and then it devolves into just a

1712
00:48:06,500 --> 00:48:07,866
few people running around on

1713
00:48:07,866 --> 00:48:09,033
Houston Street breaking windows

1714
00:48:09,066 --> 00:48:10,333
and you know that we have a

1715
00:48:10,333 --> 00:48:12,500
history of a situation where

1716
00:48:12,500 --> 00:48:13,433
there will be people who will

1717
00:48:13,433 --> 00:48:16,433
exploit you know protest

1718
00:48:16,433 --> 00:48:18,833
movements you know I mean if we

1719
00:48:18,833 --> 00:48:20,200
go back historically with Martin

1720
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,866
Luther King was in Memphis when

1721
00:48:22,866 --> 00:48:24,566
he was shot because he was he

1722
00:48:24,566 --> 00:48:26,066
was his second attempt to try to

1723
00:48:26,066 --> 00:48:28,800
lead a march in support of

1724
00:48:29,166 --> 00:48:30,133
garbage workers who were on

1725
00:48:30,133 --> 00:48:30,500
strike.

1726
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,466
And the first one had devolved

1727
00:48:32,466 --> 00:48:34,700
into this into chaos where you

1728
00:48:34,700 --> 00:48:36,066
had destruction on Beale Street

1729
00:48:36,066 --> 00:48:36,766
and that sort of thing.

1730
00:48:37,066 --> 00:48:39,500
And he was so dismayed by what

1731
00:48:39,500 --> 00:48:39,800
happened.

1732
00:48:39,900 --> 00:48:41,333
Felt I need to go back and we

1733
00:48:41,333 --> 00:48:42,233
need to do it right.

1734
00:48:42,566 --> 00:48:44,400
And so when you have the you

1735
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,200
know the the foremost civil

1736
00:48:46,266 --> 00:48:47,733
rights leader of his time and

1737
00:48:47,733 --> 00:48:50,800
maybe of all time even he was

1738
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:52,333
not able to control what was

1739
00:48:52,333 --> 00:48:53,666
going on in that situation.

1740
00:48:54,733 --> 00:48:56,533
So you know there were there

1741
00:48:56,533 --> 00:48:58,400
will be you get a big crowd of

1742
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,066
people together at night and

1743
00:49:00,066 --> 00:49:01,133
this this will happen.

1744
00:49:01,533 --> 00:49:03,000
And there is also we've also had

1745
00:49:03,233 --> 00:49:05,100
situations where police officers

1746
00:49:06,133 --> 00:49:07,500
in some situations have maybe

1747
00:49:07,500 --> 00:49:08,833
overreacted because of the

1748
00:49:08,833 --> 00:49:10,533
tension of the situation and

1749
00:49:10,533 --> 00:49:11,366
that's been a problem too.

1750
00:49:11,500 --> 00:49:12,333
You wrote a column that I

1751
00:49:12,333 --> 00:49:13,566
thought was great recently where

1752
00:49:13,566 --> 00:49:14,866
you talked about the underlying

1753
00:49:14,866 --> 00:49:17,266
issues the underlying tension

1754
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:18,100
with the protests.

1755
00:49:18,133 --> 00:49:19,333
So we have a pandemic

1756
00:49:19,366 --> 00:49:20,566
disproportionately affecting

1757
00:49:20,933 --> 00:49:21,533
certain communities.

1758
00:49:21,666 --> 00:49:22,766
We have an economic crisis this

1759
00:49:22,766 --> 00:49:23,700
report that Fortunately

1760
00:49:23,700 --> 00:49:24,933
Americans are committed to this

1761
00:49:24,933 --> 00:49:26,400
long list of people being

1762
00:49:26,433 --> 00:49:28,200
basically murdered by bad

1763
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:28,600
actors.

1764
00:49:28,666 --> 00:49:29,500
Can you talk about that a little

1765
00:49:29,500 --> 00:49:29,666
bit.

1766
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:31,800
Yeah I mean this is I mean we

1767
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:32,766
were really looking at a

1768
00:49:32,766 --> 00:49:33,833
situation in this country where

1769
00:49:33,833 --> 00:49:35,200
we're we're having the worst

1770
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:36,266
public health crises we've had

1771
00:49:36,266 --> 00:49:37,133
in more than a hundred years.

1772
00:49:37,566 --> 00:49:39,500
We're having the worst economic

1773
00:49:39,766 --> 00:49:41,233
crisis that we've had in more

1774
00:49:41,233 --> 00:49:42,033
than 80 years.

1775
00:49:42,466 --> 00:49:44,533
And on top of that the issues

1776
00:49:44,533 --> 00:49:47,133
that have really been bubbling

1777
00:49:47,133 --> 00:49:48,333
under the surface in American

1778
00:49:48,333 --> 00:49:51,233
society for four decades I think

1779
00:49:51,566 --> 00:49:53,133
they've just really intensified

1780
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,433
and people have asked Well what

1781
00:49:55,433 --> 00:49:57,900
is it about George Boyd killing

1782
00:49:57,900 --> 00:49:59,833
in Minneapolis that has it seems

1783
00:49:59,833 --> 00:50:00,800
you've had a different effect.

1784
00:50:00,833 --> 00:50:02,833
We've seen protests over other

1785
00:50:03,233 --> 00:50:05,733
acts of police brutality.

1786
00:50:06,100 --> 00:50:09,933
But I think the just the nature

1787
00:50:09,933 --> 00:50:10,833
of this the fact that you had a

1788
00:50:10,833 --> 00:50:12,033
police officer who had his knee

1789
00:50:12,033 --> 00:50:13,233
on his neck for nine minutes and

1790
00:50:13,233 --> 00:50:14,900
people got to see this play out

1791
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:15,833
over such a long period.

1792
00:50:16,233 --> 00:50:17,333
I mean when you have Rush

1793
00:50:17,333 --> 00:50:19,000
Limbaugh for example you know

1794
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,866
has been you know popular

1795
00:50:23,333 --> 00:50:25,200
conservative talk show host for

1796
00:50:25,300 --> 00:50:27,400
30 plus years saying Oh I think

1797
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:28,200
the police officer should get

1798
00:50:28,266 --> 00:50:29,133
this should be a first degree

1799
00:50:29,133 --> 00:50:29,866
murder case.

1800
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:31,866
I mean he's basically you're not

1801
00:50:31,866 --> 00:50:32,733
you're not really having

1802
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:33,533
disputes.

1803
00:50:33,833 --> 00:50:34,933
The truth is self-evident.

1804
00:50:35,066 --> 00:50:35,333
That's right.

1805
00:50:35,966 --> 00:50:37,466
We've had some instances Trayvon

1806
00:50:37,466 --> 00:50:38,666
Martin some other situations

1807
00:50:38,900 --> 00:50:40,266
where young black men have been

1808
00:50:40,266 --> 00:50:41,366
killed and there has been some

1809
00:50:41,366 --> 00:50:43,900
dispute about the facts or what.

1810
00:50:44,100 --> 00:50:45,300
Whether justice was served or

1811
00:50:45,300 --> 00:50:45,500
not.

1812
00:50:46,166 --> 00:50:47,066
I don't think we really have a

1813
00:50:47,066 --> 00:50:48,866
dispute now that maybe there's

1814
00:50:48,866 --> 00:50:50,766
been a difference in focus.

1815
00:50:51,433 --> 00:50:52,233
Maybe the protesters are

1816
00:50:52,233 --> 00:50:55,300
focusing more on that killing

1817
00:50:55,300 --> 00:50:56,400
and maybe people on the right

1818
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:57,566
are focusing more on what they

1819
00:50:57,566 --> 00:51:01,366
think has been an improper

1820
00:51:01,366 --> 00:51:03,000
response to it or you know acts

1821
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:03,400
of violence.

1822
00:51:03,633 --> 00:51:05,033
But there's not a lot of dispute

1823
00:51:05,033 --> 00:51:06,400
about right now about what

1824
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:07,533
happened and that it was wrong.

1825
00:51:07,766 --> 00:51:08,733
And so I think that it is

1826
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,533
intensified these these these

1827
00:51:11,533 --> 00:51:13,033
feelings that we've just in our

1828
00:51:13,033 --> 00:51:14,300
society for a long time that

1829
00:51:14,966 --> 00:51:18,966
that we don't have that for

1830
00:51:19,166 --> 00:51:20,233
African-Americans in this

1831
00:51:20,233 --> 00:51:20,466
country.

1832
00:51:20,533 --> 00:51:22,233
There is one type of justice

1833
00:51:22,233 --> 00:51:22,533
there.

1834
00:51:22,833 --> 00:51:25,633
The police approach people of

1835
00:51:25,633 --> 00:51:26,666
color in different ways than

1836
00:51:26,666 --> 00:51:27,133
they do others.

1837
00:51:27,866 --> 00:51:29,200
So you have a lot of colleagues

1838
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:30,300
who are reporters at the Express

1839
00:51:30,300 --> 00:51:31,400
News and other outlets who are

1840
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,000
kind of in the trenches for

1841
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:33,900
these protests.

1842
00:51:34,266 --> 00:51:35,466
What are you hearing from them

1843
00:51:35,466 --> 00:51:36,300
and what is your sense of what

1844
00:51:36,300 --> 00:51:37,933
it's like to cover this sort of

1845
00:51:37,933 --> 00:51:39,900
as a as a reporter in the

1846
00:51:39,900 --> 00:51:40,233
protest.

1847
00:51:40,300 --> 00:51:41,166
Well I think it's a stressful

1848
00:51:41,166 --> 00:51:42,600
thing and I mean you know we had

1849
00:51:42,833 --> 00:51:44,666
we've had Tuesday night.

1850
00:51:44,700 --> 00:51:49,766
We had you know tear gas and we

1851
00:51:49,766 --> 00:51:51,766
had rubber bullets being fired

1852
00:51:51,766 --> 00:51:52,566
into a crowd.

1853
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,200
We had we had reporters there in

1854
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:55,933
the middle of that.

1855
00:51:55,966 --> 00:51:58,766
And it's it's really a very

1856
00:51:58,766 --> 00:52:01,400
stressful tough situation.

1857
00:52:01,466 --> 00:52:04,933
And you know the sad thing about

1858
00:52:04,933 --> 00:52:06,900
it is that I think that the

1859
00:52:06,900 --> 00:52:08,033
great majority of people are

1860
00:52:08,033 --> 00:52:09,500
trying I think to do the right

1861
00:52:09,500 --> 00:52:10,633
thing and they're trying to

1862
00:52:11,266 --> 00:52:12,600
approach the police with with

1863
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:13,866
respect they want to see police

1864
00:52:13,866 --> 00:52:15,366
reform but they're poaching

1865
00:52:15,700 --> 00:52:16,533
individual officers they

1866
00:52:16,533 --> 00:52:17,966
encounter with respect and I

1867
00:52:17,966 --> 00:52:19,733
think that there are police

1868
00:52:19,733 --> 00:52:21,666
officers who are also trying to

1869
00:52:21,666 --> 00:52:23,200
to to do the right thing.

1870
00:52:24,566 --> 00:52:28,000
But it seems that you know one

1871
00:52:28,166 --> 00:52:29,333
one incident of someone throwing

1872
00:52:29,333 --> 00:52:31,700
a bottle or one police officer

1873
00:52:31,966 --> 00:52:35,100
maybe you know getting getting

1874
00:52:35,100 --> 00:52:36,233
stressed out by the situation

1875
00:52:36,766 --> 00:52:37,633
just leads to all kinds of

1876
00:52:37,633 --> 00:52:37,933
problems.

1877
00:52:38,233 --> 00:52:39,600
So switching gears a little bit

1878
00:52:39,733 --> 00:52:40,900
the Republican Party chair here

1879
00:52:40,900 --> 00:52:41,700
in Bear County you've been

1880
00:52:41,700 --> 00:52:44,433
covering that race for a while.

1881
00:52:44,633 --> 00:52:46,366
Well she kind of posted some

1882
00:52:46,366 --> 00:52:47,500
conspiracy theories about the

1883
00:52:47,500 --> 00:52:48,833
George Floyd murder what's going

1884
00:52:48,833 --> 00:52:49,033
on there.

1885
00:52:49,100 --> 00:52:49,366
Yeah.

1886
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,566
This week Cynthia Braham posted

1887
00:52:54,266 --> 00:52:55,866
a face had a Facebook post in

1888
00:52:55,866 --> 00:52:58,000
which she threw out the theory

1889
00:52:58,233 --> 00:53:00,433
that the killing of George Floyd

1890
00:53:00,433 --> 00:53:02,533
may have been staged and did not

1891
00:53:02,533 --> 00:53:04,700
say that she believed this to be

1892
00:53:04,700 --> 00:53:05,566
true but kind of asked the

1893
00:53:05,566 --> 00:53:06,600
question Is it possible that

1894
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:08,400
this is what happened and the

1895
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:09,500
popular rhetorical device.

1896
00:53:10,100 --> 00:53:10,166
Right.

1897
00:53:10,833 --> 00:53:12,000
What do you think staged.

1898
00:53:12,300 --> 00:53:14,800
And so you know the the I think

1899
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:16,933
the theory at work was that she

1900
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:18,366
she found some some aspects of

1901
00:53:18,366 --> 00:53:21,933
the story suspicious and and she

1902
00:53:22,700 --> 00:53:24,833
suggested and I don't know that

1903
00:53:24,833 --> 00:53:25,933
there's data to back this up.

1904
00:53:26,133 --> 00:53:27,533
But she suggested that President

1905
00:53:27,633 --> 00:53:30,066
Trump is seeking greater

1906
00:53:30,066 --> 00:53:31,500
approval among African-American

1907
00:53:31,500 --> 00:53:32,666
voters than he has in the past

1908
00:53:32,966 --> 00:53:34,400
and that this may have been a

1909
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,000
staged event to try to undermine

1910
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:37,766
that and create racial tension

1911
00:53:37,766 --> 00:53:38,866
or increase racial tension in

1912
00:53:38,866 --> 00:53:39,400
the United States.

1913
00:53:41,100 --> 00:53:41,966
And I think you know some of the

1914
00:53:41,966 --> 00:53:44,000
people who were her Facebook

1915
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:45,733
friends responded you know they

1916
00:53:45,733 --> 00:53:47,166
took it seriously and that which

1917
00:53:47,166 --> 00:53:49,233
I find kind of bizarre.

1918
00:53:49,266 --> 00:53:51,000
I don't think you know chief.

1919
00:53:51,166 --> 00:53:52,766
She has a tough runoff race with

1920
00:53:53,266 --> 00:53:54,300
a man named John Austin who is a

1921
00:53:54,300 --> 00:53:55,633
real estate appraiser and has

1922
00:53:55,633 --> 00:53:56,533
been involved in the Republican

1923
00:53:56,533 --> 00:53:59,733
Party and you know I think that

1924
00:53:59,866 --> 00:54:00,666
one of the things we're holding

1925
00:54:00,666 --> 00:54:02,800
you have to reckon with is the

1926
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:04,266
fact that this person who's been

1927
00:54:04,266 --> 00:54:05,566
in charge the party has just in

1928
00:54:05,566 --> 00:54:06,766
the last three months has thrown

1929
00:54:06,766 --> 00:54:09,066
out the theory that George Floyd

1930
00:54:09,066 --> 00:54:10,900
and Kelly may have staged that

1931
00:54:11,966 --> 00:54:14,233
the corona virus may have been a

1932
00:54:14,233 --> 00:54:16,300
hoax promulgated by Democrats to

1933
00:54:16,366 --> 00:54:18,166
bring down President Trump and

1934
00:54:18,166 --> 00:54:19,633
also has accused the Bear County

1935
00:54:19,633 --> 00:54:21,200
Elections Department of vote

1936
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,366
tampering and almost pulled out

1937
00:54:23,433 --> 00:54:25,566
of the joint primary that we

1938
00:54:25,566 --> 00:54:26,266
haven't Bear County.

1939
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,966
So I think Republican voters are

1940
00:54:28,966 --> 00:54:30,666
going to have to decide who do

1941
00:54:30,666 --> 00:54:31,266
they what's what is going to

1942
00:54:31,266 --> 00:54:32,166
help them try to help me win

1943
00:54:32,166 --> 00:54:34,100
elections in November and just

1944
00:54:34,100 --> 00:54:35,466
run run the organization or do

1945
00:54:35,466 --> 00:54:36,200
they want someone who's going to

1946
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:37,433
be putting these theories out so

1947
00:54:37,433 --> 00:54:37,666
that's good.

1948
00:54:37,866 --> 00:54:39,166
You're describing a post truth

1949
00:54:39,166 --> 00:54:40,300
politician you're really

1950
00:54:40,300 --> 00:54:41,200
interested in the truth.

1951
00:54:41,333 --> 00:54:42,133
I know that your colleagues

1952
00:54:42,166 --> 00:54:43,066
these rescues are too.

1953
00:54:43,366 --> 00:54:44,000
Do you think they're going to be

1954
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:45,166
able to continue to cover this

1955
00:54:45,166 --> 00:54:46,600
with its level of intensity and

1956
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,266
fairness if this story continues

1957
00:54:48,266 --> 00:54:49,733
to play out the way they are

1958
00:54:49,766 --> 00:54:50,400
talking about the brand.

1959
00:54:50,533 --> 00:54:52,366
I know I'm sorry that the Black

1960
00:54:52,366 --> 00:54:53,533
Lives Matter protests and the

1961
00:54:53,533 --> 00:54:54,100
George Floyd.

1962
00:54:54,466 --> 00:54:55,500
Yeah I think so.

1963
00:54:55,533 --> 00:54:57,700
I mean I really think I know

1964
00:54:57,766 --> 00:54:59,066
that the press gets a lot of

1965
00:54:59,066 --> 00:55:00,866
criticism in this country from

1966
00:55:00,866 --> 00:55:03,200
from from all angles.

1967
00:55:03,500 --> 00:55:05,266
But I really do think that we've

1968
00:55:05,266 --> 00:55:08,233
seen people trying to deal with

1969
00:55:08,233 --> 00:55:10,900
the nuance of of the protests

1970
00:55:11,033 --> 00:55:13,000
and what happened in this case

1971
00:55:13,333 --> 00:55:14,933
and there is a lot of nuance to

1972
00:55:14,933 --> 00:55:15,000
it.

1973
00:55:15,033 --> 00:55:16,933
There are I mean I saw the

1974
00:55:17,133 --> 00:55:18,333
footage and in Nashville for

1975
00:55:18,333 --> 00:55:19,600
example of a middle aged

1976
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,733
African-American man scolding a

1977
00:55:21,733 --> 00:55:24,166
young white kid who was

1978
00:55:24,166 --> 00:55:25,166
committing an act of vandalism

1979
00:55:25,166 --> 00:55:26,266
saying you know you're going to

1980
00:55:26,333 --> 00:55:27,200
you we're going to get blamed

1981
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:28,133
for this and you're going to be

1982
00:55:28,133 --> 00:55:28,533
making us look.

1983
00:55:28,733 --> 00:55:29,466
So there's that there's all

1984
00:55:29,466 --> 00:55:30,733
kinds of complexity to what's

1985
00:55:30,733 --> 00:55:31,700
going on here.

1986
00:55:32,533 --> 00:55:33,333
Where do we look at it.

1987
00:55:33,366 --> 00:55:34,533
You know we look at the issue of

1988
00:55:34,533 --> 00:55:35,833
police reform or we look at the

1989
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,033
racial issues and it certainly

1990
00:55:39,033 --> 00:55:42,300
really demands some coverage

1991
00:55:42,333 --> 00:55:43,400
that's going to approach it with

1992
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:44,666
that nuance requires a

1993
00:55:44,666 --> 00:55:45,866
discerning eye over Garcia.

1994
00:55:45,900 --> 00:55:46,933
Thank you for joining us so

1995
00:55:46,933 --> 00:55:47,166
much.

1996
00:55:47,300 --> 00:55:48,500
I thank you for joining us for

1997
00:55:48,500 --> 00:55:49,700
this special edition of On The

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Record as always go to Kayla

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We'll see you next week.

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Thank you.