COMING UP TONIGHT

 

ON KENTUCKY LIFE

 

A TASTE OF KENTUCKY'S

 

BOURBON HISTORY

 

WITH A FIFTH GENERATION

 

DISTILLER IN MARION COUNTY

 

WE'LL PAY TRIBUTE TO

 

THE LATE MINNIE BLACK

 

THE "GOURD LADY" FROM

 

EAST BERNSTADT, KENTUCKY

 

AND REVISIT ONE OF THE

 

MOST NOTORIOUS EVENTS

 

IN THE HISTORY OF KENTUCKY

 

THE FAMED HATFIELD-McCOY FEUD

 

GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME

 

TO KENTUCKY LIFE

 

I'M BYRON CRAWFORD, YOUR HOST

 

WELL, IF YOU HAVE A TASTE

 

FOR THINGS TRULY KENTUCKY

 

THEN YOU'VE COME

 

TO THE RIGHT PLACE

 

WITH US TONIGHT, YOU'LL

 

TRAVEL BACK IN TIME

 

TO WHEN A LEGEND WAS BORN

 

THE FAMED FEUD BETWEEN THE

 

HATFIELDS AND THE McCOYS

 

IT'S A LEGACY

 

THAT FOREVER CHANGED THE WAY

 

MOUNTAIN PEOPLE ARE VIEWED

 

BUT AS YOU'LL SEE

 

IT'S A STORY THAT ENDURES

 

BOTH AS ROMANTIC MYTH

 

AND DOCUMENTED FACT

 

FIRST WE'RE GOING TO SAMPLE A

 

LEGEND OF A DIFFERENT KIND

 

THE FINE QUALITIES OF

 

KENTUCKY BOURBON WHISKEY

 

MAKE IT A SOUGHT AFTER PRODUCT

 

BY CONNOISSEURS

 

FROM NEAR AND FAR

 

THE SAMUELS' FAMILY HAS BEEN

 

IN THE WHISKEY BUSINESS

 

FOR FIVE GENERATIONS

 

AND SINCE 1953, IT'S

 

TURNED OUT MAKER'S MARK

 

AT THE QUAINT DISTILLERY

 

IN MARION COUNTY AT LORETTO

 

IN THIS PROFILE, WE LEARN

 

A LITTLE FAMILY HISTORY

 

ALONG WITH THE STORY OF THE RISE

 

OF THE KENTUCKY BOURBON INDUSTRY

 

KENTUCKY IS FAMOUS FOR

 

ITS BLUEGRASS FIELDS

 

AND THOROUGHBRED HORSES

 

AT ONE TIME, MOST PEOPLE

 

WOULD HAVE MENTIONED

 

KENTUCKY BOURBON WHISKEY

 

IN THE SAME BREATH

 

BUT TIMES HAVE CHANGED

 

AMERICANS STILL DRINK

 

BUT THEY DRINK ONLY HALF

 

AS MUCH BOURBON TODAY

 

AS THEY DID 20 YEARS AGO

 

STILL, ALL IS NOT BLEAK

 

IN BOURBON COUNTRY

 

WAREHOUSES FULL OF AGING BOURBON

 

STILL DOT THE COUNTRYSIDE

 

AND A GROWING EXPORT TRADE TO

 

EUROPE, ASIA AND AUSTRALIA

 

HAS STIMULATED NEW OPTIMISM

 

AS THE REST OF THE

 

WORLD DISCOVERS

 

THIS UNIQUELY

 

AMERICAN SPIRIT

 

WHEN EASTERNERS FIRST STARTED

 

SETTLING HERE, IN 1774

 

KENTUCKY WAS PART OF VIRGINIA

 

PROBABLY THE FIRST WHISKEY

 

WAS MADE WITHIN A YEAR OR

 

TWO OF THE FIRST SETTLEMENT

 

IN 1780, THE VIRGINIA

 

LEGISLATURE

 

DIVIDED KENTUCKY

 

INTO THREE COUNTIES

 

BY 1786, THERE WERE SEVEN

 

INCLUDING BOURBON COUNTY

 

NAMED FOR THE

 

FRENCH ROYAL FAMILY

 

IN GRATITUDE FOR IT'S HELP

 

DURING THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR

 

THE MOST IMPORTANT SETTLEMENT

 

IN BOURBON COUNTY

 

WAS LIMESTONE

 

WHICH LATER BECAME MAYSVILLE

 

FOR MANY YEARS, THIS WAS

 

THE REGION'S MAIN PORT

 

ON THE OHIO RIVER

 

FROM WHICH WHISKEY AND OTHER

 

GOODS WERE FLOATED DOWNRIVER

 

TO NEW ORLEANS FOR SALE

 

ANY WHISKEY SHIPPED FROM

 

THE PORT OF LIMESTONE

 

WAS LIABLE TO BE CONSIDERED

 

A PRODUCT OF BOURBON COUNTY

 

REGARDLESS OF WHERE IT WAS MADE

 

EVEN AFTER LIMESTONE BECAME

 

PART OF MASON COUNTY

 

AND LATER WHEN OTHER

 

COUNTIES WERE FORMED

 

MANY STILL CALLED THE

 

REGION, "OLD BOURBON"

 

AS THE DEMAND FOR "OLD

 

BOURBON" WHISKEY GREW

 

OTHER DISTILLERS HERE

 

AND IN ADJACENT STATES

 

BEGAN TO USE THE NAME

 

PIONEER DISTILLERS

 

WERE MAINLY FARMERS

 

THEY DISTILLED THEIR OWN GRAIN

 

AND MAYBE SOME FOR

 

THEIR NEIGHBORS

 

MAKING WHISKEY IN A

 

STILL LIKE THIS ONE

 

WAS AS COMMON AS MAKING

 

SAUSAGE OR BAKING BREAD

 

THIS INDUSTRY EVOLVED SLOWLY

 

AND IT'S PRETTY HARD TO

 

PUT YOUR FINGER ON WHEN

 

IT STARTED

 

OR REALLY WHEN IT STARTED

 

TO LOOK LIKE AN INDUSTRY

 

AND MUCH LESS LIKE A

 

DIVISION OF AGRICULTURE

 

UH, I GUESS REALLY, IT

 

WAS THE EARLY 1840s

 

WHEN WISE KENTUCKY FARMERS

 

WHO KNEW HOW TO MAKE WHISKEY

 

DECIDED THAT THEY NEEDED

 

TO FLIP THE PROCESS AROUND

 

AND INSTEAD OF HAVING

 

FARMERS WITH EXCESS

 

GRAIN DRIVE THE PROCESS

 

HAVE CUSTOMERS LOOKING

 

FOR GOOD RED WHISKEY

 

DRIVE THE PROCESS

 

AND HAVE THE FARMERS

 

THE AGRICULTURAL

 

DIMENSION RESPOND TO IT

 

SO IT WAS MY GREAT

 

GREAT GRANDFATHER

 

WHICH WOULD MAKE ME THE FIFTH

 

IN THE LINE OF "COMMERCIAL"

 

DISTILLERS

 

BUT IN FACT IT WAS MY GREAT

 

GREAT GRANDFATHER'S GRANDFATHER

 

ROBERT SAMUELS

 

WHO MUSTERED OUT OF THE

 

UH, PENNSYLVANIA MILITIA

 

IN THE SPRING OF 1780

 

AS A DISTILLER FOR

 

WASHINGTON'S ARMY

 

AND CAME TO KENTUCKY

 

UH, WITH A LAND GRANT

 

WITH A CORN WRIT

 

WHICH WAS THE FIRST FORM OF

 

HOMESTEADING IN THE COUNTRY

 

AND SET UP UH, A SMALL FARM

 

AND PROVIDED DISTILLING SERVICES

 

FOR NEIGHBORING FARMERS

 

WHO GREW TOO MUCH GRAIN TO

 

FEED IT ALL TO THE CATTLE

 

SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE

 

BEGINNING OF THE INDUSTRY

 

I THINK, AS A COTTAGE INDUSTRY

 

BUT IT WAS REALLY UH,

 

IN THE EARLY 1840s

 

THAT YOU STARTED TO SEE THE

 

COMMERCIAL DISTILLERIES DEVELOP

 

THEN YOU COME TO THE

 

OLD T.W. SAMUELS PLANT

 

THE SAMUELS FAMILY BUILT

 

THEIR FIRST DISTILLERY

 

ON OR NEAR THIS SITE IN 1844

 

THE DISTILLERY CLOSED YEARS AGO

 

AND THE WAREHOUSES WERE SOLD TO

 

HEAVEN HILL AND MAKER'S MARK

 

AND THAT'S WHERE THE SAMUELS

 

FAMILY MAKES WHISKEY TODAY

 

AT MAKER'S MARK IN MARION COUNTY

 

BUT THE DEEDSVILLE PLANT

 

AND ITS OWNER BILL SAMUELS'

 

GREAT GREAT GRANDFATHER

 

ARE REMEMBERED FOR

 

THEIR UNIQUE ROLE

 

IN THE HISTORY OF THE

 

AMERICAN CIVIL WAR

 

HE WAS A LARGE MAN

 

HE WAS ABOUT SIX SIX

 

UH, IN, IN THOSE DAYS

 

WAS QUITE LARGE

 

UH, HE HAD AN... HE HAD AN OLDER

 

BROTHER, DR. REUBEN SAMUELS

 

WHO MARRIED JESSE AND

 

FRANK JAMES' MOTHER

 

AND RAISED THEM

 

DID A WONDERFUL JOB

 

AND UH, AS A RESULT

 

ENDED UP IN SOMEWHAT OF

 

A CARETAKER... ROLE

 

WITH QUANTRELL'S ARMY

 

AS THEY CAME TO KENTUCKY

 

TO AVOID THE DEMISE OF THE

 

LATTER PERIOD OF THE WAR

 

THEY CAME DIRECTLY

 

TO NELSON COUNTY

 

WHERE MY GREAT GREAT

 

GRANDFATHER WAS HIGH SHERIFF

 

SO UH, THEY GOT WHAT

 

THEY WERE LOOKING FOR

 

A PARDON WAS WORKED

 

OUT IN JULY 25th

 

AND IT ENDED UP BEING

 

THE FINAL SURRENDER

 

OF AN ARMED CONFEDERATE BAND

 

OF THE AMERICAN CIVIL WAR

 

AND IT HAPPENED RIGHT

 

AT A DISTILLERY

 

OUR OLD FAMILY DISTILLERY

 

IN NELSON COUNTY, KENTUCKY

 

DID NOT HAPPEN AT

 

APPOMATTOX COURTHOUSE

 

AS GENERAL LEE THOUGHT

 

BUT IT WAS BACK HERE

 

SOME 90 DAYS LATER

 

THIS PLACE WAS FOUNDED

 

AS A DISTILLERY FARM

 

BY THE BURKES FAMILY

 

WHO WERE UH, WERE FROM SCOTLAND

 

THEY CAME OVER ABOUT 1800

 

A LAND GRANT UH, FROM VIRGINIA

 

AND UH, THEY STARTED MAKING

 

WHISKEY IN A SPORADIC WAY

 

AS MANY OF US DID

 

THIS, THIS WAS UH, FAIRLY

 

TYPICAL DISTILLERY

 

200 BUSHEL SIZE

 

WHICH IS WHAT WE OPERATE TODAY

 

SO UH, IN A, IN A SENSE YOU'RE

 

ABLE TO SEE THE DISTILLERY

 

AS IT WOULD HAVE LOOKED

 

IN THE 1870s, 1880s

 

BECAUSE THE PHYSICAL INTEGRITY

 

OF THE PLACE IS INTACT

 

OR WE USE IT TO OPERATE

 

IT AT THE SAME CAPACITY

 

IT WAS DESIGNED TO BE

 

OPERATED 120 YEARS AGO

 

UH, BUT THE BURKES FAMILY,

 

THEY STARTED AND THEY STOPPED

 

THEY WERE FIRST SUCCESSFUL

 

AND THEN NEXT GENERATION

 

WASN'T SO SUCCESSFUL

 

AND THEN THERE WAS

 

A CHOLERA EPIDEMIC

 

THEN WE HAD UH, PROHIBITION

 

AND THAT, THAT KNOCKED

 

US ALL A LOOP

 

DAD BOUGHT IT IN

 

1953 AND STARTED

 

STARTED THE MOVE TOWARD

 

MAKING HIS STYLE OF WHISKEY

 

AND IT'S IDEALLY SUITED

 

IT FOR THAT GREAT WATER

 

SMALL SIZE

 

ISOLATED

 

UH, AND WHEN IT LOOKED LIKE

 

THE COMPANY WAS GOING

 

TO WORK AS A COMPANY

 

STARTED THE UH, THE RESTORATION

 

OF THE OLD 19th CENTURY PLANT

 

WHICH IS, WHICH HAS BEEN A

 

LOT OF FUN AND GOOD THERAPY

 

I THINK MAKING A GREAT WHISKEY

 

MAKING A DISTINCTIVE WHISKEY

 

IS NOT ANY DIFFERENT THAN

 

THAN, THAN UH, THAN DOING

 

ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S DISTINCTIVE

 

NUMBER ONE YOU HAVE... YOU HAVE

 

TO HAVE THE SELF-CONFIDENCE TO

 

TO FREE ALL THE

 

TRADITION BOUND BURDENS

 

AND YOU NEED TO WANT

 

TO DO IT REAL BAD

 

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT REALLY

 

DISTINGUISHED MY FATHER

 

UH, FINANCIALLY HE DIDN'T

 

NEED TO DO ANY OF THIS STUFF

 

IT WAS, IT WAS AN

 

INCREDIBLE BURDEN

 

AND IT WAS AN AWESOME RISK

 

AND, AND IT WORKED

 

AND I REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT

 

BEFORE MY FATHER WENT OFF

 

TO THAT GREAT DISTILLERY

 

IN THE SKY

 

HE WANTED TO BE ABLE

 

TO GO WITH HIS HEAD UP

 

AND THAT MEANT CREATE

 

A BETTER WHISKEY

 

THAN ANYBODY IN THE

 

FAMILY HAD EVER DONE

 

SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER

 

AND I THINK HE'S DONE IT

 

BOURBON WHISKEY WAS RECOGNIZED

 

AS A DISTINCTLY AMERICAN PRODUCT

 

BY THE UNITED STATES

 

CONGRESS IN 1964

 

TO BE CALLED "BOURBON WHISKEY"

 

IT MUST BE MADE FROM A

 

MASH CONTAINING 51 % CORN

 

AND LESSER AMOUNTS OF

 

WHEAT, RYE AND BARLEY

 

ALONG WITH SOME YEAST

 

AND LIMESTONE WATER

 

BILL SAMUELS, SR.

 

ARRIVED AT HIS SPECIAL MIX

 

OF GRAINS BY BAKING BREAD

 

SEEMS HE DIDN'T WANT

 

TO WAIT SIX YEARS

 

FOR THE BOURBON TO AGE

 

SO HE TRIED OUT DIFFERENT

 

COMBINATIONS IN THE KITCHEN

 

RATHER THAN THE DISTILLERY

 

NOW KENTUCKY LIFE PAYS

 

TRIBUTE TO A SPECIAL LADY

 

FROM EAST BERNSTADT, KENTUCKY

 

WHO WAS KNOWN FAR AND

 

WIDE AS "THE GOURD LADY"

 

FROM THE GOURDS WHICH

 

CHANGED WITH EVERY SEASON

 

MINNIE BLACK SUMMONED UP

 

CREATURES, MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS

 

EVEN PEOPLE

 

INCLUDING A NUMBER

 

OF SELF PORTRAITS

 

A VETERAN OF THE TONIGHT SHOW

 

AND DAVID LETTERMAN

 

AS WELL AS KET

 

HERE NOW, IS THE

 

LATE MINNIE BLACK

 

I'VE BEEN CARVING GOURDS

 

AROUND 25 YEARS OR MAYBE MORE

 

I DON'T KNOW

 

I BEGAN TO... I

 

RAISED THE GOURDS

 

AND I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT

 

I WAS RAISING THEM FOR

 

AND I... 'CAUSE I JUST

 

LOVED TO WATCH THEM GROW

 

AND UH, MY GRANDCHILDREN LIKED

 

TO PLAY WITH THEM, YOU KNOW

 

AND THEY'D PLAY WITH THEM

 

AND THEN I BEGAN TO SEE

 

STRANGE THINGS IN GOURDS

 

THEY... THEY MADE SO MANY

 

DIFFERENT SHAPES AND SIZES

 

AND UH, THE VARIETIES UNTIL

 

IT REMINDS YOU OF SOME...

 

KIND OF A CREATURE,

 

MAYBE OR A BIRD

 

AND SO THAT WAY I GOT STARTED

 

I MADE THIS ONE FIRST

 

AND THAT DON'T... IT

 

LOOKS SOMETHING LIKE ME

 

IT RESEMBLES ME A LITTLE BIT

 

ALTHOUGH I THOUGHT I

 

LOOKED BETTER THAN THAT

 

AND I DIDN'T USE... THE

 

HAIR THAT I HAD CUT OFF

 

THE CURL... THE END...

 

MY HAIR YOU KNOW

 

I'D SAVE IT

 

AND I'D PUT THE LIGHTER

 

GRAY ON THE FIRST ONE

 

AND THEN DOWN THAT WAY YOU

 

NOTICE THEY'RE STILL DARKER

 

WELL, NOW... THEN I

 

MADE THIS ONE NEXT

 

AND THEN THAT ONE

 

SO I'LL TELL YOU

 

AND SHOW YOU HOW

 

THIS, THESE ARE MOLDED

 

ON A LITTLE GOURD

 

SEE THIS IS A LITTLE GOURD

 

AND I DID THIS WITH

 

A LITTLE TROWEL

 

IT'S JUST LIKE UH, A PAINTER'S

 

YOU KNOW, PALETTE LIKE

 

AND I, AND WHERE I

 

MOLDED THE NOSE

 

I'D TAKE MY FINGER, YOU KNOW

 

AND I... NOW THAT'S HARD TO DO

 

I HAVE A BOOK ON UH,

 

PREHISTORIC ANIMALS

 

AND THIS IS ONE

 

IT'S CALLED A "STEGOSAURUS"

 

SEE, I LIKE THIS DUDE

 

BECAUSE I DID TRY

 

PRETTY, PRETTY HARD

 

TO MAKE HIM EXACTLY

 

LIKE THE PICTURE

 

THIS IS ALL GOURD

 

YOU SEE NOW, LISTEN

 

HERE'S A GOURD

 

THIS ONE AND THIS ONE

 

THIS ONE HERE IS FROM

 

HERE DOWN TO...

 

YOU SEE, THERE'S WHERE

 

IT GREW ON THE VINE

 

WELL, THIS IS PIECES OF GOURDS

 

THEY'RE CHEWED OUT

 

WITH A LITTLE UTILITY KNIFE

 

AND HERE'S WHERE I USED MY

 

SCULPTURE MOLD, YOU SEE

 

I DUG OUT A LITTLE RIDGE IN

 

THERE AND STUCK THEM...

 

AND PUT THE SCULPTURE

 

MOLD ON EACH SIDE

 

AND THAT HARDENED

 

AND SEE HERE, I PUT...

 

WHERE YOU PUT THE EYES

 

I MADE HIS... AND EVEN HIT'S

 

GOT EYELASHES, YOU SEE

 

AND SOME I HAVE TEETH IN

 

BUT THIS ONE DON'T HAVE TEETH

 

AND THEN I USE UH, THE, THE

 

GOURD SEED FOR TOENAILS

 

I MADE ALL THESE

 

INSTRUMENTS MYSELF

 

I RAISED THE GOURDS

 

IN THE GARDEN

 

AND THEN MADE THEM

 

INTO THE INSTRUMENT

 

NOW THIS IS THE

 

INSTRUMENT I MOSTLY PLAY

 

IN OUR ENTERTAINMENTS

 

IT'S CALLED THE "TRIPLE DRUM"

 

NOW THIS IS MY LITTLE VIOLIN

 

OR SOME CALL IT A FIDDLE

 

COURSE THE OLD, THAT'S CALLED

 

THE OLD TIME WAY, YOU KNOW

 

FIDDLE

 

AND UH, THIS BOW

 

THE BOW IS MADE FROM HOR- THE,

 

THE HAIR OUT OF A HORSE'S TAIL

 

AND UH, COURSE YOU SEE HERE

 

I JUST MADE THIS UP TO

 

MAKE IT FUNNY LOOKING

 

(Playing violin)

 

IT'S NOT IN VERY GOOD TUNE

 

AND YOU KNOW WHEN I STARTED

 

RAISING GOURDS IS...

 

THEY'S SOME PEOPLE RAISES

 

THEM REAL LARGE

 

THEY CALL THE "NIGERIAN GIANT"

 

WELL, I WAS WANTING TO RAISE

 

ONE OF THOSE GOURDS SO BAD

 

THE IDEA CAME TO ME

 

TO DRAW MY PICTURE HERE

 

WITH THE GOURD, SEE

 

AND THIS IS WOODBURNING

 

THAT UH, OUTLINE IS WOODBURNING

 

AND THERE'S THE YEAR THAT

 

I, THAT I MADE THIS, SEE

 

AND HERE IS WHAT I SAID, THIS

 

LITTLE VERSE THAT I SAID

 

I SAID, "LET IT BE SAID

 

"AS I LIE IN MY CASKET

 

"SHE RAISED A GOURD

 

LARGE AS A BUSHEL BASKET"

 

AND HERE THEN, IS

 

THE YEAR I WAS BORN

 

AND THE DATE

 

AND ON THIS SIDE

 

I'M LEAVING THIS

 

FOR SOMEBODY ELSE TO DO

 

MINNIE WAS IN HER EARLY 90s

 

WHEN SHE MADE HER NETWORK

 

TELEVISION APPEARANCES

 

AND YOU CAN STILL

 

VIEW HER WORK TODAY

 

IN EAST BERNSTADT IN LAUREL

 

COUNTY AT MINNIE'S GOURD MUSEUM

 

A FORMER COUNTRY STORE

 

MORE THAN A HUNDRED YEARS AGO

 

EVENTS TOOK PLACE IN PIKE COUNTY

 

AND MINGO COUNTY, WEST VIRGINIA

 

THAT WOULD LIVE FOREVER

 

IN THE PUBLIC IMAGINATION

 

TWO LOCAL FAMILIES BECAME

 

EMBROILED IN A FEUD

 

THAT ONCE TAKEN UP BY THE MEDIA

 

TOOK ON A LIFE OF ITS OWN

 

THAT WENT FAR BEYOND

 

THE ACTUAL EVENTS

 

THAT HAPPENED AT THE

 

CLOSE OF THE 19th CENTURY

 

THE NAMES ARE AS COLORFUL

 

AS THE EVENTS TRAGIC

 

WILLIAM ANDERSON

 

"DEVIL ANSE" HATFIELD

 

AND RANDOLPH "OLD RANNELL" McCOY

 

SOON TOURISTS EAGER TO

 

CONNECT WITH THE PAST

 

WILL BE ABLE TO LEARN ABOUT

 

THE FAMED HATFIELD-McCOY FEUD

 

WITH THE HELP OF A TOUR

 

DESIGNED BY OFFICIALS

 

IN PIKE AND MINGO COUNTIES

 

IT'S A CHAPTER IN THE HISTORY

 

OF THE STATE AND THE NATION

 

THAT CONTINUES TO FASCINATE US

 

THOUGH MANY BEAR THE

 

SCARS OF ITS LEGACY

 

IN THE LAST HALF OF

 

THE 19th CENTURY

 

THE TUG FORK OF THE

 

BIG SANDY RIVER

 

WHICH INCLUDED PARTS OF

 

KENTUCKY AND WEST VIRGINIA

 

LAY UNTOUCHED

 

HERE PEOPLE LIVED MUCH

 

LIKE THEIR ANCESTORS

 

HAD FOR GENERATIONS

 

THE ECONOMY AND DAILY

 

LIVES OF THESE PEOPLE

 

WERE ISOLATED FROM THE

 

FORCES OF MARKET CAPITALISM

 

THAT HAD BEEN TRANSFORMING

 

THE REST OF THE NATION

 

SINCE THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION

 

THIS WAS AND STILL IS THE HOME

 

OF THE HATFIELDS AND THE McCOYS

 

THEY WERE SUBSISTENCE FARMERS

 

WHO HAD LIVED PEACEFULLY

 

TOGETHER FOR MORE THAN 100 YEARS

 

BUT THEIR NAMES LIVE

 

IN AMERICAN FOLKLORE

 

UNDER THE STEREOTYPE OF

 

WARRING, LAWLESS MOUNTAINEERS

 

BASICALLY THE HARM THAT

 

WAS DONE, MOST OF ALL

 

WAS THE FACT THAT

 

WE WERE LABELED

 

UH, AND I MIGHT

 

EVEN SAY THAT UH

 

THAT THE GENERAL CONSENSUS WAS

 

THAT PEOPLE FROM

 

EASTERN KENTUCKY

 

WERE WORTHLESS AND

 

UH, NO-GOOD PEOPLE

 

UH, WOULDN'T WORK, LAZY

 

AND THAT KIND OF THING

 

THAT, THAT WAS THE

 

STEREOTYPE THAT HAS HARMED

 

NOT ONLY EASTERN KENTUCKY

 

IT HAS HARMED THE ENTIRE STATE

 

THE FEUD DIED OUT AROUND 1897

 

BUT LIVED ON IN CHEAP

 

NOVELS AND SILENT FILMS

 

BY ONE COUNT, MORE THAN

 

300 NICKELODEON FEATURES

 

ABOUT MOONSHINING AND FEUDING

 

WERE MADE BETWEEN 1910 AND 1916

 

THE STORY OF THE HATFIELD-McCOY

 

FEUD REMAINS ENDURINGLY POPULAR

 

IT'S PEPPERED WITH

 

ROMANCE, DANGER AND DEATH

 

ALL ELEMENTS FASCINATING ENOUGH

 

TO DRAW FEUD ENTHUSIASTS

 

TO PIKE COUNTY, KENTUCKY

 

AND MINGO COUNTY,

 

WEST VIRGINIA EVERY YEAR

 

IN RESPONSE, THE LEGEND

 

HAS INSPIRED OFFICIALS

 

OF BOTH STATES

 

TO CREATE A GUIDED TOUR

 

FOR THE CURIOUS WHO SEEK OUT THE

 

SITES WHERE BLOOD WAS SPILLED

 

DURING THE YEARS OF THE

 

FAMED HATFIELD-McCOY FEUD

 

Johnson:

 

DEVIL ANSE HATFIELD WAS ONE OF

 

THE MAIN CHARACTERS, OF COURSE

 

AND UH, RANDOLPH McCOY

 

THEY WERE THE TWO WHO

 

MORE ROMANTICIZED

 

THAN ANYONE ELSE AS THE

 

PERPETUATORS OF UH, THE UH, FEUD

 

AND OF COURSE ROSEANNA

 

AND JOHNSE

 

WERE UH, WERE VERY

 

FAVORITE UH, CHARACTERS

 

UH, THERE WAS ELLISON HATFIELD

 

OF COURSE ASA HARMON McCOY WAS

 

UH, WAS THE FIRST ONE KILLED

 

UH, FATALITY IN THAT

 

UH, AND UH, FRANK PHILLIPS

 

WAS UH, IN CHARGE OF

 

THE SOME OF THE POSSES

 

LEGALLY AND NON-LEGALLY

 

AS IT TURNED OUT

 

IN THE PUBLIC IMAGINATION

 

THE FEUD LASTED

 

HUNDREDS OF YEARS

 

HUNDREDS WERE KILLED

 

UNTRUE

 

BY MOST SCHOLARLY ACCOUNTS

 

IT LASTED BUT 12 YEARS

 

AND ONLY 12 PEOPLE DIED

 

AS A DIRECT RESULT

 

IT ALL STARTED, IT'S SAID

 

WITH THE DEATH OF HARMON McCOY

 

AT THE CLOSE OF THE CIVIL WAR

 

HE FOUGHT FOR THE UNION

 

AND MOST HATFIELDS

 

AND McCOYS ALIKE

 

SYMPATHIZED WITH THE REBELS

 

DETAILS OF HIS DEATH VARY

 

BUT APPARENTLY HE WAS FOUND DEAD

 

FOLLOWING WORDS WITH

 

THE LOCAL REBEL LEAD

 

13 YEARS LATER, A DISPUTE

 

AROSE OVER OWNERSHIP OF PIGS

 

BETWEEN RANNELL McCOY

 

AND FLOYD HATFIELD

 

A COUSIN OF HATFIELD

 

PATRIARCH, DEVIL ANSE

 

CONTRARY TO HOTHEADED

 

HILLBILLY STEREOTYPES

 

THE MATTER WAS DECIDED IN COURT

 

NOT WITH A RIFLE

 

BUT TESTIMONY IN THE TRIAL

 

DECIDED IN FAVOR

 

OF THE HATFIELDS

 

LEFT SOME McCOYS SEETHING

 

BILL STATEN WHO TESTIFIED FOR

 

THE HATFIELDS WOUND UP DEAD

 

AND HIS KILLERS ACQUITTED

 

ON GROUNDS OF SELF DEFENSE

 

THE HOG TRIAL MADE A SENSATION

 

AND UH, THAT ACCENTUATED THE

 

FLAVOR OF THE, OF THE FEUD

 

UH, SHORTLY AFTER THAT CAME

 

UH, BILL STATEN'S MURDER

 

UH, AND THEN AFTER THAT ROSEANNA

 

RAN AWAY WITH JOHNSE HATFIELD

 

ROMANCE ENTERS THE PICTURE

 

WHEN THE GOOD LOOKING SON

 

OF DEVIL ANSE HATFIELD

 

AND THE DEMURE DAUGHTER

 

OF RANNELL McCOY

 

FELL HEAD OVER HEELS IN

 

LOVE ON ELECTION DAY 1880

 

DEVIL ANSE WOULDN'T CONSENT

 

TO A MARRIAGE TO A McCOY

 

ANOTHER ELECTION DAY

 

BROUGHT MORE TROUBLE

 

DETAILS VARY

 

BUT WHEN THE SUN SET THAT DAY

 

ELLISON HATFIELD,

 

BROTHER OF DEVIL ANSE

 

HAD BEEN STABBED AND

 

SHOT AND LAY NEAR DEATH

 

HIS ACCUSED ASSAILANTS

 

WERE ARRESTED

 

ON THEIR WAY TO

 

JAIL IN PIKEVILLE

 

A POSSE LED BY

 

DEVIL ANSE HATFIELD

 

CAPTURED THE MEN

 

AND TOOK THEM TO A REMOTE

 

CABIN IN WEST VIRGINIA

 

HATFIELD TERRITORY

 

DEVIL ANSE'S SENTENCE

 

IF HIS BROTHER LIVED,

 

THE McCOYS WOULD LIVE

 

BUT ELLISON HATFIELD DID

 

NOT SURVIVE HIS INJURIES

 

AND WHAT FOLLOWED

 

WAS THE MOST FAMOUS AND

 

BLOODY ACTION OF THE FEUD

 

ANSE AND ABOUT 20 OTHERS

 

TOOK THE McCOY BOYS BACK

 

ACROSS THE RIVER TO KENTUCKY

 

TIED THEM TO SOME PAWPAW BUSHES

 

AND SHOT THEM IN COLD BLOOD.

 

INDICTMENTS WERE ISSUED

 

BUT NO ONE WAS ARRESTED

 

FIVE YEARS WENT BY

 

OLD RANNELL McCOY

 

DIDN'T TAKE UP ARMS

 

BUT SOUGHT JUSTICE

 

THROUGH LEGAL CHANNELS

 

HE REPEATEDLY PETITIONED

 

FOR THE KILLERS ARRESTS

 

THEN PERRY CLINE A DISTANT McCOY

 

RELATIVE AND PIKEVILLE LAWYER

 

PERSUADED THE GOVERNOR OF

 

KENTUCKY TO OFFER REWARDS

 

FOR DEVIL ANSE AND THE

 

OTHERS IN WEST VIRGINIA

 

CLINE HAD HIS OWN AX TO GRIND

 

YEARS BEFORE, HE HAD LOST

 

A DISPUTE WITH DEVIL ANSE

 

OVER A VALUABLE PIECE

 

OF PROPERTY

 

PERRY CLINE DECIDED THAT HE WAS

 

GOING TO GO TO THE GOVERNOR

 

AND ASK THE GOVERNOR IF HE WOULD

 

UH, ESCALATE THE WHOLE UH THING

 

IN ORDER TO QUIET IT

 

TO BRING IT ALL OUT AND, AND

 

TO TELL IT TO THE PAPERS

 

TO UH, GET EVERYBODY

 

EXCITED ABOUT IT

 

SO THAT WE COULD GET SOME ACTION

 

GET SOME UH, APPROPRIATE

 

MILITIA ACTION

 

AND FINALLY THEN TO

 

COME IN AND QUIET IT

 

THE STATE OF KENTUCKY BEGAN

 

EXTRADITION PROCEEDINGS

 

AND INDEED THE FEUD HEATED UP

 

PRIVATE DETECTIVES LIKE FRANK

 

PHILLIPS WENT INTO THE MOUNTAINS

 

DEVIL ANSE'S UNCLE WAS

 

KILLED IN WEST VIRGINIA

 

IN RETALIATION, THE

 

STATE OF WEST VIRGINIA

 

OFFERED REWARDS FOR

 

THE McCOY INVADERS

 

BUT THE HATFIELDS HAD

 

PLANNED THEIR OWN REVENGE

 

OLD RANNELL McCOY'S HOME

 

WAS BURNED TO THE GROUND

 

HIS WIFE WAS BEATEN

 

NEARLY TO DEATH

 

AND HIS DAUGHTER ALAFARE

 

SLAIN BRUTALLY IN THE SNOW

 

THIS CREATED A

 

NATIONAL SENSATION

 

RUMORS FLEW THAT WHOLE

 

COMMUNITIES WERE HARMED

 

BOTH STATES ANNOUNCED

 

PLANS TO SEND IN TROOPS

 

BUT WHEN EMISSARIES

 

RETURNED WITH THE NEWS

 

THAT ONLY A FEW FAMILIES

 

WERE INVOLVED

 

AND THE VALLEY WAS QUIET

 

THE PLANS WERE DROPPED

 

THE VIOLENCE MAY HAVE ENDED

 

BUT NEWSPAPER COVERAGE AND LEGAL

 

BATTLES HAD JUST HEATED UP

 

WEST VIRGINIA CLAIMED

 

KENTUCKY HAD IGNORED PROPER

 

EXTRADITION PROCEEDINGS

 

THE CASE CONTINUED

 

FOR SEVERAL MONTHS

 

AND WENT ALL THE WAY TO

 

THE U.S. SUPREME COURT

 

WEST VIRGINIA LOST

 

AND MURDER TRIALS ENSUED

 

IN SEPTEMBER 1889 EIGHT

 

HATFIELD SUPPORTERS WERE

 

SENTENCED TO LIFE IN PRISON

 

ELLISON MOUNTS CONVICTED

 

OF THE MURDER OF OLD RANNELL

 

McCOY'S DAUGHTER ALAFARE

 

WAS HANGED IN FEBRUARY 1890

 

WOULD DEVIL ANSE RIDE INTO

 

PIKEVILLE THIRSTY FOR REVENGE?

 

DESPITE RUMORS THERE WERE

 

NO FURTHER INCIDENTS

 

AFTER 12 YEARS AND 12 DEATHS

 

THE FEUD WAS FINALLY OVER

 

Johnson:

 

WE CAN'T LOOK AT ONE

 

ASPECT OF THE FEUD

 

WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE

 

OTHER ASPECT OF THE FEUD

 

THERE'S, THERE IS THE

 

LEGEND SIDE OF THE FEUD

 

WHICH IS A BEAUTIFUL STORY

 

AND CAN ENCOMPASS A

 

WONDERFUL LOVE STORY

 

UH, BUT THERE'S ALSO THE

 

LEGAL SIDE OF THE FEUD

 

AND UH, AND THAT'S KIND

 

OF A NICE STORY TOO

 

MAYBE NOT AS BEAUTIFUL BUT,

 

BUT IT'S UH, IT'S LOGICAL

 

THE PRESS PLAYED UP THE TRAGIC

 

ROMANCE OF ROSEANNA McCOY

 

AND JOHNSE HATFIELD

 

AS A ROMEO AND JULIET AFFAIR

 

ROSEANNA'S LIFE WAS A SAD ONE

 

AS SHE REFUSED JOHNSE'S REPEATED

 

REQUEST FOR HER HAND IN MARRIAGE

 

SHE LEFT HER HOME AND WENT

 

TO LIVE WITH AN AUNT

 

BUT SHE'S SAID TO HAVE

 

REMAINED TRUE TO HER LOVE

 

WHEN SHE HEARD THAT

 

HER BROTHERS, McCOYS

 

PLANNED TO AMBUSH JOHNSE

 

ARREST HIM FOR MOONSHINING

 

AND TAKE HIM TO JAIL

 

SHE RACED TO THE HATFIELD

 

HOME ON HORSEBACK

 

BY THE LIGHT OF THE

 

MOON TO WARN HIM

 

ROSEANNA BORE JOHNSE A

 

CHILD, SARAH ELIZABETH

 

THE LIFE OF THE INFANT

 

WAS CLAIMED, HOWEVER

 

WITHIN A FEW MONTHS OF BIRTH

 

DURING AN OUTBREAK OF MEASLES

 

HISTORIANS TODAY ARE EXAMINING

 

THE CAUSES OF THE FEUD

 

WHAT WAS HAPPENING

 

IN THE MOUNTAINS

 

HISTORIAN ALTINA WALLER

 

SPENT TEN YEARS WITH THE

 

HATFIELDS AND McCOYS

 

POURING OVER OLD COURT DOCUMENTS

 

AND HER BOOK FEUD IS CONSIDERED

 

THE REAL STORY BY MANY

 

CONTRARY TO POPULAR BELIEF

 

THE FEUD WASN'T SIMPLY AN

 

ESCALATION OF NORMAL BEHAVIOR

 

PEOPLE WERE SHOCKED

 

AND FRIGHTENED

 

MANY DIDN'T KNOW THEY

 

LIVED IN A PLACE

 

WHERE SUCH THINGS COULD HAPPEN

 

PRIMARILY THEY DID

 

BRING IT TO AN END

 

AND THEY HAVE INTERMARRIED MANY,

 

MANY TIMES SINCE THAT TIME

 

UH, THE POLITICAL STRUGGLES

 

ACTUALLY DID NOT, UH

 

INTERFERE WITH THE PROCESSES OF

 

OF THE PEOPLE WHO

 

WERE OUT IN THE COUNTY

 

UH, THEY WENT TO COURT

 

AND THEY GOT THINGS DONE

 

AND THEY WENT HOME AND WENT TO

 

BED THE SAME WAY THEY DID BEFORE

 

UH, AND THEIR NEIGHBORS WERE AS

 

FRIENDLY AS THEY WERE BEFORE

 

SO IT, IT DIDN'T

 

TAKE LONG REALLY

 

FOR IT TO ACTUALLY QUIET

 

UH, AND IN THIS DAY

 

YOU, YOU JUST REALLY DON'T HEAR

 

TOO MUCH ABOUT IT AT ALL

 

ALTHOUGH MANY PEOPLE OF THE

 

EASTERN KENTUCKY, VIRGINIA

 

AND WEST VIRGINIA MOUNTAINS

 

BLAME THE FEUD AND ITS

 

SENSATIONAL COVERAGE

 

FOR NEGATIVE STEREOTYPES

 

MANY ALSO RECOGNIZE ITS

 

VALUE IN PROMOTING TOURISM

 

TO ONE OF THE MOST

 

BEAUTIFUL PLACES ON EARTH

 

AND WHILE LEGEND MAY NEVER BE

 

FULLY SEPARATED FROM FACT

 

THIS UNIQUE PIECE

 

OF AMERICAN HISTORY

 

CAN SERVE AS A GATEWAY

 

TO THE MOUNTAINS

 

AND THE FASCINATING EVENTS

 

THAT TOOK PLACE LONG AGO

 

Johnson:

 

I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO

 

DOCUMENT UH, ALL OF THESE THINGS

 

BECAUSE WE ARE ACCUSED OF SO

 

MANY DIFFERENT THINGS FROM THIS

 

UH, IF IT INDEED HAD A LOT TO

 

DO WITH UH, ROSEANNA AND JOHNSE

 

THAT NEEDS TO BE DOCUMENTED

 

IT NEEDS TO BE FIRM AND SURE

 

BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A

 

TOURISM INDUSTRY ON THAT PACKAGE

 

AND WE'RE TRYING NOW TO DO THAT

 

THOUGH THE FEUD IS

 

MOST OFTEN CITED

 

AS THE SOURCE FOR

 

"HILLBILLY" STEREOTYPES

 

WHICH EMERGED IN BOOKS AND

 

MOVIES ABOUT THE REGION

 

OTHERS CREDIT TENNESSEE

 

WRITER MARY MURFREE

 

IN HER SHORT STORIES

 

PUBLISHED IN THE 1880s

 

SHE ESTABLISHED FICTIONAL

 

STOCK CHARACTERS

 

SUCH AS THE "DAISY MAE"

 

MOUNTAIN GIRL

 

THE "GRANNY" FIGURE AND

 

THE DOMINEERING PATRIARCH

 

WELL, OUR JOURNEY TONIGHT HAS

 

TAKEN US INTO KENTUCKY'S PAST

 

FROM THE FIRST SETTLERS WHO

 

TURNED THEIR CORN INTO WHISKEY

 

AND BEGAN A TRADITION

 

THAT CONTINUES TO DEFINE WHAT

 

IT MEANS TO BE A KENTUCKIAN

 

TRUE INDIVIDUALS LIKE MINNIE

 

BLACK WHO LIVED HER 97 YEARS

 

TO THE TUNE OF HER OWN DRUMMER

 

CREATING NEW OBJECTS

 

FROM NATURE'S OWN ART

 

THAT SHE GREW IN HER BACKYARD

 

AND THE TRAGIC DEATHS

 

AMONG TWO PROUD FAMILIES

 

THE HATFIELDS AND McCOYS

 

THEIR STORY CAPTIVATES US

 

BECAUSE OF ITS VIOLENCE

 

BUT FOR ILL OR FOR GOOD

 

THEIR HISTORY IS A PART OF

 

THE HISTORY OF ALL OF US

 

WHO CALL OURSELVES KENTUCKIANS

 

THAT'S OUR SHOW FOR THIS EVENING

 

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