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>> David: A spy in the

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spotlight at senate

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confirmation hearings.

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Can Claudia Tenney hold on to

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her seat in Congress, and

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in disgrace.

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"Ivory Tower" is next.

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>> Good evening.

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Welcome to "Ivory Tower."

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I'm David Chanatry from Utica

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college.

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I'm joined tonight by Lisa Dolak

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from the College of Law at

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Syracuse University, Bob Spitzer

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from SUNY Cortland,

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Tim Byrnes from Colgate

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university and Kristi Anderson

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from the Maxwell school at

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Syracuse University.

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Spies work in the shadows but

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yesterday Gina Haspel was in the

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spotlight at her confirmation

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hearings to be director of the

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CIA.

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Haspel appears to be uniquely

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suited to lead the agency except

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for her role running one of the

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black sites where detainees were

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water boarding and then

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destroying the tapes of the

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enhanced interrogations.

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She pledged not to restart the

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programs if confirmed and said

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she knows right from wrong.

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Lisa, should her role in that

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episode be disqualifying to run

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the CIA?

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I mean her role in that episode

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is very concerning I'm concerned

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about both things you mentioned,

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the role in the black site, the

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destruction of evidence pending

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investigation but I don't

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believe it should be

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disqualifying and I do think she

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is uniquely suited for the role

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and particularly for the time

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that we are in, including

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because of her expertise on

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things like Russia.

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She's an expert on Russian and

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Russian spies.

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And the fact that she is widely

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supported by employees and

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agents in the CIA and many

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former intelligence experts,

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including John Brennan, Obama's

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CIA chief and that's because of

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her qualifications for the job

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and because the concern is if

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not her, who might Donald Trump

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appoint to this post?

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about being in unique times.

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weren't the case, honestly, if

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we weren't worried about who

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Donald Trump might appoint and

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given his, you know, tendency to

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pick people that are not

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qualified to politicize

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appointments, and his sort of

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antipathy toward intelligence

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services, even if we weren't

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worried about that, I still

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think I would support her

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because of her qualifications

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and because she said it wouldn't

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happen again under her... go she

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said she followed her moral

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compass and I don't have much

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confidence in her moral compass.

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The torture regime put in place

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by the Obama administration and

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not properly litigated by the

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Barack Obama is one of the

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darkest moments in American

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history and what we have now as

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Lisa is saying is a soft

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consensus like, well, you know,

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this is someone we want to have

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in charge of the CIA, which

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means that what happened before

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that Gina Haspel is a criminal

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and I came with notes today.

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against torture signed by Ronald

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Reagan and confirmed by the

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United States that which makes

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it according to the United

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States constitution, the highest

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law in the land.

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Each state party should take

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effective legislative measures

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to prevent act of torture in any

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territory under this

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jurisdiction.

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whatsoever may be invoked as

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justification of torture and

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order from a superior officer or

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public officer play not be the

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the U.S. criminal code of the

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U.S. government.

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torture should be imprisoned not

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more than 20 years.

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commit an offense should be

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subject to the same penalty.

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She is lucky she is not in a

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tribunal in the Hague.

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The fact that the United States

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senate is going to confirm her

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to head the CIA is a stain on

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American history.

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>> I thought the thing that she

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said which was most shocking and

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some sympathy for Lisa's

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position in the sense that she

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is a woman, she has come up

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through the ranks.

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She is not an appointee

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President Trump would make.

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When she was asked whether she

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thought water boarding or

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torture was wrong, she said I

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don't know if the word was wrong

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or moral, she would note answer

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that.

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I think it was effective at

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getting people who were involved

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in 9/11 or whatever...

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>> She backed off the

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effectiveness line a little bit.

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>> She said I don't think we can

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say it is effective or not.

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I don't think it is knowable,

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she said.

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>> We got... I thought she was

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saying... the point is that she

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wasn't saying it was morally

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wrong.

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>> She was parsing the words.

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Harris pressed her on the

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morality.

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Let's be perfectly clear.

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Torture is appalling,

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counterproductive.

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It doesn't help you.

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That, to me is the bottom line.

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>> The bottom line is (all

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talking at once)

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>> It's a crime.

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>> No dispute.

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>> Putting criminals in

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charge...

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>> The problem is that the order

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came from the top.

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She was a functionary.

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It was chain dick Cheney who

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leaned on the CIA because they

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panicked after 2001.

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>> You can't say that a crime

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that you committed was ordered

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by a higher officer, that's a

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violation of international and

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national law.

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>> I accept all that but we have

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States we have not done

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prosecutions as you pointed out,

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as a consequence of all this and

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it would have started right at

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the top.

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this torture stuff and she-- my

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sense, for what it's worth, is

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that she understands that this

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is not useful, okay.

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Leaving law aside.

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Secondly, she does know the CIA.

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Third she knows Russia well.

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the most important thing at this

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juncture.

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And who would we get if she

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pulls out from trump?

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It's only going to be worse.

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Yes, she should be confirmed.

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I understand I agree 100% but

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it's a long trail that leads

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right back to dick Cheney and

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she wasn't an independent

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functionary who decided on her

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own one day she was going to

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torture.

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>> There was D.O.J. cover for

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>> John who sits at berk whether

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I law school said they wrote a

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memo in which he says torture is

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>> An order from a superior

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officer or public authority may

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not be invoked as justification

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of torture.

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not torture, that was nonsense.

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Gina Haspel knew that.

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is a crime.

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I keep saying the same thing.

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qualifications and the difficult

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moments we are in.

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>> There are dozens and dozens

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of criminal in that category.

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>> You would be saying that

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George W. Bush and dick Cheney

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>> You are darned right they

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Sights a stain in American

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history and Barack Obama... it

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requires a government signatory

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investigates and, prosecutes

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crimes and Obama didn't do it.

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It's an outrage what we have

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allowed to happen in this

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>> The best we can have because

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there will never be the

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prosecutions, never, never going

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the history and never damn do it

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senator John McCain last night

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released a statement saying that

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her, Haspel's refusal to

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acknowledge torture's immorality

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is disqualifying.

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>> And there was a letter from

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100 retired military officers

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and officials saying they did

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consistency on the issue and for

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his courage in speaking out.

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some of what I see as some of

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the grandstanding by some of the

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Democratic senators, because I

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think in some cases, you almost

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can hear them... it's almost

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like they know she is going to

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be confirmed and so it's easy

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for them to come out and express

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their outrage.

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And, you know, among the people

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who were complicit in this were

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some of the very people who were

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read in on this back in... at

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the time.

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>> Absolutely but they're not

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being put in charge of the CIA.

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>> I understand that.

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>> You think there are people

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still in the CIA who

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participated in that torture?

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>> Of course there are.

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>> She knew, bob, she knew that

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the faces of those CIA agents on

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tore torturing those people that

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it's a crime and if their faces

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were known they might be

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prosecuted internationally and

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nationally.

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She destroyed evidence.

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>> Yes, she did.

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(all talking at once)

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>> She wrote a memo for her

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boss...

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>> She was carrying out.

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>> And to the White House's

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surprise as well.

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They didn't know they were going

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to destroy the tapes.

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Now we do have to move on.

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So the 22nd congressional

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district that includes Utica,

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Binghamton and parts in between,

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Madison County, for instance, is

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thought to be one of the races

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that Democrats have targeted in

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this fall's mid term elections.

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The Republican incumbent

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representative Claudia Tenney

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has thrown quite a lot of red

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meat to the base and that has

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her party concerned she will

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lose the seat.

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Kristi, will her comments cost

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her, in a district that has

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generally been considered to be

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moderate, moderate-right?

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>> I think they may cost her and

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one evidence that they may be

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already is that there is a Zogby

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poll out who has her opponent,

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Anthony Brindisi leading her

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47-40.

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Even by a little bit more when

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the undecided were pushed to

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make or take a stand.

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And Brindisi, interestingly is

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continually emphasizing his

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willingness to work across the

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aisle.

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That he has done that in the

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Assembly and would do that for

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the good of the district and so

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on.

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Tenney has chosen, and I think

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she will stick with it... she

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seems very consistent around

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this, a kind of appeal to the

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base, fairly narrow base way of

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campaigning and being, really.

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It's interesting because I read

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somewhere in an article about

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her that a pew center poll had

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found that 19% of Republicans

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were really angry at the

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government.

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Now this is down from the number

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who are angry at the government

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under Obama but way up from

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those that are angry at the

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government the Obama

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administration say.

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Tenney and other Republicans

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have chosen to both support

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trump and support trump in this

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way, to kind of channel they

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motion of frustration and anger

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at the government.

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And she does this all the time.

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I mean the best example, which I

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was just amazed at is when she

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said this thing, which you

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probably all heard about the

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Democrats or mass murderers

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tending to be Democrats.

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She was criticized by the former

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holders of her seat, two

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Republicans and a democrat,

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bowler and Hannah and when she

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was confronted with their

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criticism, she referred to all

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three of them as swamp creatures

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raising their bloody hands out

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of their political grave.

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I mean that's only going to

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appeal to the 19% who is really

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angry at everybody, including

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their former members of

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Congress.

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It just seems like a not very

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strategic thing.

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>> She would certainly double

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down.

406
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>> That's exactly it.

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Doubling down.

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She issued a statement recently

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not just a generic statement but

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a very strong statement in

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support of trump's pulling out

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of the Iran nuclear deal.

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She is really a mini trump.

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It's not just that she is siding

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generally in a general way with

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Donald Trump and his agenda but

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she really mimics his rhetoric

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constantly.

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And historically that strategy

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has worked for her.

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She is in the House of

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Representatives.

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She was elected and reelected

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several times in the state

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Assembly being pretty hard right

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but there are a couple of things

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about the Zogby poll and where

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she stands right now.

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It is pretty unusual for a

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challenger to be up about I

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seven points over an incumbent

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and that does not bode well for

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her; however, there is one other

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thing about the poll that

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provides her with an opening and

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that's the fact that roughly

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half the people who were polled

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said they didn't know anything

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about Anthony Brindisi.

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He is a blind slate in the minds

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of a lot of voters and that

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provides her with an opportunity

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to define him in her terms in

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negative ways to try and drive

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down her numbers so that she,

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you know, might find a way to

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get...

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>> Brindisi is the state

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representative from the Utica

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area so much of the district

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never heard of him.

452
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>> She has called him a

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socialist and you remember when

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he first declared that he was

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running, she went after his

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father and got all the Italians

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in Utica all riled up.

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So she hasn't taken up that

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opportunity much yet, I don't

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think.

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You are right...

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>> I think you are right.

463
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She hasn't but that's is her one

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opening.

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>> When she is challenged about

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her outrageousness or

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trumpiness.

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She said I know my district.

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I know my people is what she

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says.

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Polls be damned.

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>> But she may well.

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It is interesting the contrast

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between her and someone like

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Katko...

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>> Or Richard Hannah.

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>> Richard Hannah who was her

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predecessor.

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But I mean I'm talking about

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their presence or tactics to

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deal with trump and to find a

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path forward in districts that

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are, you know, somewhat similar.

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They're both...

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>> Katko's is more Democratic.

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>> When we talked about her two

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years ago, I said, I remember

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saying well I can see how she

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could get elected because she is

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so aggressive and that race was

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so odd, running against a woman

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from Binghamton people didn't

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know.

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>> And it was...

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>> I said at the time, I said I

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can't see how she will get

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reelected because that district,

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she may know the district but I

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think she makes stuff up.

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When she said she knows the

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district better, that means she

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talked to her family.

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She is completely full of

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nonsense but it got her elected

505
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once but I will be very

506
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surprised if she gets reelected

507
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because this red meat Hillary

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Clinton should go to jail, mass

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murderers are Democrats, et

510
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cetera, etc., I don't see that

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playing well in a district that

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has a long history of, yes, it's

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Republican in terms of

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identification, but it's

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Republican in the sense of real,

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if there are any moderate

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Republicans left, the kind who

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elected boller and hannah.

519
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>> It's a two candidate race.

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She won with 46% of the vote two

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years ago.

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She has got to get over 50%, she

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has to appeal to a greater

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degree to moderates, undecided

525
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because in this district there

526
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is a hard core that loves

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everything she has to say when

528
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she is sounding like trump but

529
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I don't think that puts you over

530
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50% even in this district.

531
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>> I would say the people of

532
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Hamilton, New York are well

533
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motivated to get her out of

534
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office so she doesn't continue

535
00:16:32,091 --> 00:16:33,892
to stain the name of Colgate

536
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university.

537
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>> Six months is a long time.

538
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>> It is.

539
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>> That's right.

540
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And the district did vote for

541
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President Trump pretty

542
00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:43,002
substantially.

543
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>> Unlike Katko's.

544
00:16:45,004 --> 00:16:47,506
>> Now, New York, New York State

545
00:16:47,506 --> 00:16:49,108
and to an extent national

546
00:16:49,108 --> 00:16:51,510
politics were up ended this week

547
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with the stunning accusations of

548
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assault against now former state

549
00:16:55,914 --> 00:16:58,517
Attorney General Eric

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Schneiderman.

551
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He resigned his position hours

552
00:17:01,020 --> 00:17:02,521
after the New Yorkers published

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the allegations.

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The state legislature will

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appoint an interim Attorney

556
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General possibly as soon as next

557
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week.

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There has been some reporting

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that this has been kind of an

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open secret that Schneiderman

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had sort of a shady personal

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life and that liberals are being

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hypocrites for looking the other

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way.

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Bob Spitzer, that got your

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attention.

567
00:17:25,544 --> 00:17:26,545
>> Well, it did.

568
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And that criticism doesn't come

569
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as a surprise.

570
00:17:29,248 --> 00:17:31,850
First Schneiderman was a

571
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complete shock, I think he was

572
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to most people.

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Secondly particularly in the

574
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light of how aggressively he has

575
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advanced the idea of legislation

576
00:17:39,158 --> 00:17:40,759
or other legal protections to

577
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women who do come forward to

578
00:17:42,361 --> 00:17:44,463
talk about being harassed and

579
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accosted and everything else.

580
00:17:46,065 --> 00:17:47,866
But we look at the recent

581
00:17:47,866 --> 00:17:49,468
history of these kinds of

582
00:17:49,468 --> 00:17:51,070
scandals and how Democrats

583
00:17:51,070 --> 00:17:52,171
versus Republicans have

584
00:17:52,171 --> 00:17:52,971
responded.

585
00:17:52,971 --> 00:17:55,774
So he... so Schneiderman

586
00:17:55,774 --> 00:17:56,975
resigned within three hours of

587
00:17:56,975 --> 00:17:58,577
the story coming out that

588
00:17:58,577 --> 00:18:00,079
appeared in the New Yorker, a

589
00:18:00,079 --> 00:18:01,380
shocking story by the way, if

590
00:18:01,380 --> 00:18:02,381
you can get through it.

591
00:18:02,381 --> 00:18:04,783
Remember Eliot Spitzer, no

592
00:18:04,783 --> 00:18:06,485
relation.

593
00:18:06,485 --> 00:18:09,888
He was gone-- he was governor,

594
00:18:09,888 --> 00:18:11,390
he was a relation but suddenly

595
00:18:11,390 --> 00:18:14,493
he wasn't... Eliot Spitzer

596
00:18:14,493 --> 00:18:15,994
resigned within a day.

597
00:18:15,994 --> 00:18:18,197
Al Franken out in Minnesota was

598
00:18:18,197 --> 00:18:19,398
gone within a few days.

599
00:18:19,398 --> 00:18:21,800
And those allegations were not

600
00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,503
quite as clear cut, I think but

601
00:18:24,503 --> 00:18:26,205
look at primary Republicans,

602
00:18:26,205 --> 00:18:28,807
David vitter, the Republican

603
00:18:28,807 --> 00:18:30,509
senator from Louisiana, he hung

604
00:18:30,509 --> 00:18:31,910
on, he stayed on.

605
00:18:31,910 --> 00:18:33,412
The current governor of

606
00:18:33,412 --> 00:18:35,214
Maryland, a Republican governor

607
00:18:35,214 --> 00:18:39,818
Eric greitens.

608
00:18:39,818 --> 00:18:42,020
>> Missouri.

609
00:18:42,020 --> 00:18:42,321
>> Thank you.

610
00:18:42,321 --> 00:18:44,423
He is adamantly denying

611
00:18:44,423 --> 00:18:45,524
everything and Republican state

612
00:18:45,524 --> 00:18:48,627
legislature is moving ahead with

613
00:18:48,627 --> 00:18:48,827
impeachment.

614
00:18:48,827 --> 00:18:51,530
That's how bad they want him

615
00:18:51,530 --> 00:18:52,831
out.

616
00:18:52,831 --> 00:18:58,137
Rory Moore, Doug Blankenship--

617
00:18:58,137 --> 00:19:02,040
Don Blankenship killed 29 miner

618
00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:03,041
running coal mines in

619
00:19:03,041 --> 00:19:05,244
West Virginia, but a different

620
00:19:05,244 --> 00:19:07,546
kind of scandal but people died

621
00:19:07,546 --> 00:19:10,149
because of his lousy stewardship

622
00:19:10,149 --> 00:19:11,550
of his own coal mine.

623
00:19:11,550 --> 00:19:13,051
Those people pursuing higher

624
00:19:13,051 --> 00:19:14,453
office are all hanging on.

625
00:19:14,453 --> 00:19:16,955
My joke was to a friend of mine

626
00:19:16,955 --> 00:19:19,258
that if Schneiderman had been a

627
00:19:19,258 --> 00:19:20,559
Republican, he would have used

628
00:19:20,559 --> 00:19:23,462
the opportunity of announcing

629
00:19:23,462 --> 00:19:26,465
his resignation to announce his

630
00:19:26,465 --> 00:19:28,066
run for the U.S. Senate if he

631
00:19:28,066 --> 00:19:28,767
had been a Republican.

632
00:19:28,767 --> 00:19:30,669
Maybe the partisan split I'm

633
00:19:30,669 --> 00:19:31,970
describing isn't really there

634
00:19:31,970 --> 00:19:33,572
but if you look at the cases, it

635
00:19:33,572 --> 00:19:35,474
makes me wonder why and I don't

636
00:19:35,474 --> 00:19:37,075
really have a good answer.

637
00:19:37,075 --> 00:19:39,978
I just want to wonder why.

638
00:19:39,978 --> 00:19:41,280
>> Schneiderman is the pinnacle

639
00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,582
of hypocrisy, for hip to be, you

640
00:19:43,582 --> 00:19:46,585
know, pushing this, saying he is

641
00:19:46,585 --> 00:19:48,887
going to, you know, prosecute or

642
00:19:48,887 --> 00:19:51,390
look into what the Weinstein

643
00:19:51,390 --> 00:19:53,492
mess and champion of women and

644
00:19:53,492 --> 00:19:55,694
the fact that he was the state's

645
00:19:55,694 --> 00:19:57,496
chief law enforcement officer.

646
00:19:57,496 --> 00:19:58,797
That puts you in a different

647
00:19:58,797 --> 00:19:59,298
position.

648
00:19:59,298 --> 00:20:01,700
I'm not, you know, sort of okay

649
00:20:01,700 --> 00:20:03,001
with all of that litany of

650
00:20:03,001 --> 00:20:04,403
people that you listed but the

651
00:20:04,403 --> 00:20:06,205
people who hold themselves out

652
00:20:06,205 --> 00:20:07,506
and take the job of being the

653
00:20:07,506 --> 00:20:09,608
chief law enforcement officer,

654
00:20:09,608 --> 00:20:10,909
I'm sorry, that puts you in a

655
00:20:10,909 --> 00:20:11,510
different class.

656
00:20:11,510 --> 00:20:12,911
>> Not just enforcing the law

657
00:20:12,911 --> 00:20:14,213
but creating new laws.

658
00:20:14,213 --> 00:20:15,514
He was instrumental in this law

659
00:20:15,514 --> 00:20:18,317
that said choking was, you

660
00:20:18,317 --> 00:20:19,718
know... and he was doing it.

661
00:20:19,718 --> 00:20:21,720
>> While he was doing it.

662
00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:23,422
>> Incredible.

663
00:20:23,422 --> 00:20:25,824
>> It is just jaw dropping.

664
00:20:25,824 --> 00:20:27,025
Really depressing.

665
00:20:27,025 --> 00:20:29,628
The hypocrisy of it that this

666
00:20:29,628 --> 00:20:34,633
litany of misbehavior is so

667
00:20:34,633 --> 00:20:36,335
common among powerful men.

668
00:20:36,335 --> 00:20:37,336
It's depressing.

669
00:20:37,336 --> 00:20:38,437
I say that as a person

670
00:20:38,437 --> 00:20:39,338
interested in politics.

671
00:20:39,338 --> 00:20:40,539
I say that as a man.

672
00:20:40,539 --> 00:20:42,941
I say that as a human being.

673
00:20:42,941 --> 00:20:45,944
The hypocrisy and cruelty of it

674
00:20:45,944 --> 00:20:47,646
is shocking and horrible.

675
00:20:47,646 --> 00:20:49,147
>> I can't get into their heads.

676
00:20:49,147 --> 00:20:50,949
Someone like him who was being

677
00:20:50,949 --> 00:20:53,652
actively hypocritical.

678
00:20:53,652 --> 00:20:55,854
Elliot spitzer, that doesn't

679
00:20:55,854 --> 00:21:00,158
seem so bad.

680
00:21:00,158 --> 00:21:02,060
>> Hooker, big deal.

681
00:21:02,060 --> 00:21:03,762
>> And didn't Schneiderman, and

682
00:21:03,762 --> 00:21:05,063
I think about all these other

683
00:21:05,063 --> 00:21:07,566
guys, you know, Matt Lauer and

684
00:21:07,566 --> 00:21:09,268
all these other guys, didn't

685
00:21:09,268 --> 00:21:10,669
they think it would catch up

686
00:21:10,669 --> 00:21:11,670
with them?

687
00:21:11,670 --> 00:21:12,871
They must have been suffering,

688
00:21:12,871 --> 00:21:14,373
not that I care but.

689
00:21:14,373 --> 00:21:15,173
>> You wonder.

690
00:21:15,173 --> 00:21:19,278
>> Katy said on her show what is

691
00:21:19,278 --> 00:21:20,779
it about New York State politics

692
00:21:20,779 --> 00:21:23,482
and the commentator sitting next

693
00:21:23,482 --> 00:21:26,285
to her talked about the lawless

694
00:21:26,285 --> 00:21:27,986
culture of male entitlement.

695
00:21:27,986 --> 00:21:31,189
>> In Albany specifically.

696
00:21:31,189 --> 00:21:33,191
>> Now that leads us directly to

697
00:21:33,191 --> 00:21:34,993
the fs.

698
00:21:34,993 --> 00:21:35,494
Lisa.

699
00:21:35,494 --> 00:21:37,496
>> Kind of staying on the same

700
00:21:37,496 --> 00:21:37,896
subject.

701
00:21:37,896 --> 00:21:39,798
Town and country gets my f for

702
00:21:39,798 --> 00:21:43,802
inviting Monica Lewinsky to the

703
00:21:43,802 --> 00:21:44,803
summit and then when Bill

704
00:21:44,803 --> 00:21:47,606
Clinton said he would attend,

705
00:21:47,606 --> 00:21:49,908
disinvited Lewinsky.

706
00:21:49,908 --> 00:21:52,511
Even in the me too era, town and

707
00:21:52,511 --> 00:21:53,612
country and too many other

708
00:21:53,612 --> 00:21:55,013
people still don't get that Bill

709
00:21:55,013 --> 00:21:56,415
Clinton abused his power and

710
00:21:56,415 --> 00:21:57,716
privilege and took advantage of

711
00:21:57,716 --> 00:21:59,518
a 24-year-old intern and has yet

712
00:21:59,518 --> 00:22:00,819
to pay the price.

713
00:22:00,819 --> 00:22:02,921
>> Okay.

714
00:22:02,921 --> 00:22:04,923
>> I'm giving an f to George

715
00:22:04,923 --> 00:22:07,526
Mason university and the koch

716
00:22:07,526 --> 00:22:07,826
brothers.

717
00:22:07,826 --> 00:22:09,528
They have been funding faculty

718
00:22:09,528 --> 00:22:10,729
positions at various

719
00:22:10,729 --> 00:22:11,830
universities for many years but

720
00:22:11,830 --> 00:22:13,332
we learned last week actually

721
00:22:13,332 --> 00:22:15,233
that, in fact, they had been

722
00:22:15,233 --> 00:22:16,735
exerting undue influence with

723
00:22:16,735 --> 00:22:19,338
the okay of the leaders of

724
00:22:19,338 --> 00:22:20,739
George Mason university in

725
00:22:20,739 --> 00:22:22,641
Virginia, to actually shape and

726
00:22:22,641 --> 00:22:25,143
manipulate who was accepted and

727
00:22:25,143 --> 00:22:26,845
hired for various faculty

728
00:22:26,845 --> 00:22:27,546
positions.

729
00:22:27,546 --> 00:22:28,547
It's completely wrong.

730
00:22:28,547 --> 00:22:29,948
It violates a fundamental

731
00:22:29,948 --> 00:22:31,850
boundary line about who gets to

732
00:22:31,850 --> 00:22:33,652
work as a faculty members in

733
00:22:33,652 --> 00:22:36,555
various departments, especially

734
00:22:36,555 --> 00:22:37,556
economics departments.

735
00:22:37,556 --> 00:22:39,558
It's a terrible abuse of money

736
00:22:39,558 --> 00:22:41,259
and power.

737
00:22:41,259 --> 00:22:41,560
>> Tim.

738
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:42,561
>> I never thought I would say

739
00:22:42,561 --> 00:22:44,262
this all these years later.

740
00:22:44,262 --> 00:22:46,264
An f to Oliver north, the new

741
00:22:46,264 --> 00:22:47,766
president of the national rifle

742
00:22:47,766 --> 00:22:49,267
association who said this week

743
00:22:49,267 --> 00:22:50,969
about the Iranian deal, never

744
00:22:50,969 --> 00:22:52,170
believe an Iranian because if

745
00:22:52,170 --> 00:22:53,672
their lips are moving, they're

746
00:22:53,672 --> 00:22:54,072
lying.

747
00:22:54,072 --> 00:22:56,575
I mean what a ridiculous thing

748
00:22:56,575 --> 00:22:58,477
to say about millions of people

749
00:22:58,477 --> 00:22:59,978
but especially by Oliver north

750
00:22:59,978 --> 00:23:02,381
who illegally sold arms to Iran

751
00:23:02,381 --> 00:23:03,882
and criminally lied about it.

752
00:23:03,882 --> 00:23:05,684
Do these people ever go away?

753
00:23:05,684 --> 00:23:08,787
>> An f to nick Mulvaney current

754
00:23:08,787 --> 00:23:10,188
head of the consumer financial

755
00:23:10,188 --> 00:23:11,490
protection bureau who is working

756
00:23:11,490 --> 00:23:14,292
basically to kill his agency.

757
00:23:14,292 --> 00:23:15,794
Since coming into office he has

758
00:23:15,794 --> 00:23:17,996
halted all new investigations,

759
00:23:17,996 --> 00:23:20,098
frozen hiring, stopped data

760
00:23:20,098 --> 00:23:24,503
collection, cut off access to a

761
00:23:24,503 --> 00:23:26,104
consumer complaint.

762
00:23:26,104 --> 00:23:28,507
Payday lenders, Mulvaney has

763
00:23:28,507 --> 00:23:29,708
dropped most of the cases

764
00:23:29,708 --> 00:23:32,110
against these people.

765
00:23:32,110 --> 00:23:34,112
>> And the as Lisa.

766
00:23:34,112 --> 00:23:35,313
>> My a to the Trump

767
00:23:35,313 --> 00:23:36,915
Administration for securing the

768
00:23:36,915 --> 00:23:39,117
release of three prisoners who

769
00:23:39,117 --> 00:23:41,119
had been held by North Korea.

770
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:42,621
It's hard to imagine the joy

771
00:23:42,621 --> 00:23:43,922
that those people, their

772
00:23:43,922 --> 00:23:45,023
families and friends are

773
00:23:45,023 --> 00:23:46,825
experiencing.

774
00:23:46,825 --> 00:23:48,326
>> I'm giving an a to the fact

775
00:23:48,326 --> 00:23:52,130
that Don blank inship--

776
00:23:52,130 --> 00:23:55,333
blankenship, the former owner of

777
00:23:55,333 --> 00:23:57,636
an avaricious mining company

778
00:23:57,636 --> 00:23:59,638
came in third after poll results

779
00:23:59,638 --> 00:24:01,239
indicated otherwise for the

780
00:24:01,239 --> 00:24:02,340
Republican primary in the U.S.

781
00:24:02,340 --> 00:24:03,041
Senate.

782
00:24:03,041 --> 00:24:04,242
Third is a lot better than

783
00:24:04,242 --> 00:24:04,843
first.

784
00:24:04,843 --> 00:24:05,243
>> Tim.

785
00:24:05,243 --> 00:24:07,145
>> An a to five moderate G.O.P.

786
00:24:07,145 --> 00:24:08,747
house members who have issued a

787
00:24:08,747 --> 00:24:11,149
motion to dismiss to force Paul

788
00:24:11,149 --> 00:24:12,751
Ryan to get a vote on docket to

789
00:24:12,751 --> 00:24:13,852
the floor of the house.

790
00:24:13,852 --> 00:24:15,454
They're not really moderates.

791
00:24:15,454 --> 00:24:17,255
They serve in purple districts

792
00:24:17,255 --> 00:24:18,356
worried about reelection but

793
00:24:18,356 --> 00:24:19,658
they're getting close to forcing

794
00:24:19,658 --> 00:24:23,261
Paul Ryan to bring a DACA vote

795
00:24:23,261 --> 00:24:23,762
to the house.

796
00:24:23,762 --> 00:24:26,765
It will be a small chink in the

797
00:24:26,765 --> 00:24:28,366
Hastert rule and I hope they

798
00:24:28,366 --> 00:24:28,467
succeed.

799
00:24:28,467 --> 00:24:32,971
>> Teacher appreciation week.

800
00:24:32,971 --> 00:24:35,874
So an a to all teachers,

801
00:24:35,874 --> 00:24:36,675
especially those who protest

802
00:24:36,675 --> 00:24:38,376
their declining wages and the

803
00:24:38,376 --> 00:24:39,678
horribly insufficient funding

804
00:24:39,678 --> 00:24:41,179
for education in their state.

805
00:24:41,179 --> 00:24:42,481
They have been successful and we

806
00:24:42,481 --> 00:24:43,682
should be appreciative to all of

807
00:24:43,682 --> 00:24:45,283
them for standing up for quality

808
00:24:45,283 --> 00:24:46,184
education.

809
00:24:46,184 --> 00:24:47,686
>> I want to thank you a

810
00:24:47,686 --> 00:24:48,887
question, Tim because I think

811
00:24:48,887 --> 00:24:52,591
last week I had to give a little

812
00:24:52,591 --> 00:24:53,191
sideline.

813
00:24:53,191 --> 00:24:54,092
We need another one.

814
00:24:54,092 --> 00:24:55,927
The vote on DACA that you are

815
00:24:55,927 --> 00:25:00,632
saying they are trying to force

816
00:25:00,632 --> 00:25:02,934
Paul Ryan to hold the vote house

817
00:25:02,934 --> 00:25:03,735
does it work?

818
00:25:03,735 --> 00:25:08,840
>> If they get a market in the

819
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:09,241
House of Representatives.

820
00:25:09,241 --> 00:25:11,543
They can force the vote.

821
00:25:11,543 --> 00:25:14,145
The Hastert is he won't bring a

822
00:25:14,145 --> 00:25:15,847
vote to the floor unless a

823
00:25:15,847 --> 00:25:16,748
majority of Republicans are

824
00:25:16,748 --> 00:25:17,449
supporting it.

825
00:25:17,449 --> 00:25:18,750
This is a small group of

826
00:25:18,750 --> 00:25:19,851
Republicans trying to vote with

827
00:25:19,851 --> 00:25:20,952
Democrats to force a vote and

828
00:25:20,952 --> 00:25:23,255
they will all vote to codify

829
00:25:23,255 --> 00:25:24,656
DACA and Ryan will lose.

830
00:25:24,656 --> 00:25:26,358
>> And perhaps the Hastert rule

831
00:25:26,358 --> 00:25:28,360
will...

832
00:25:28,360 --> 00:25:31,062
>> I doubt it but we can hope.

833
00:25:31,062 --> 00:25:32,464
>> Will go away?

834
00:25:32,464 --> 00:25:34,366
>> If they get 20 Republicans,

835
00:25:34,366 --> 00:25:35,967
then the discharge petition

836
00:25:35,967 --> 00:25:37,168
forces that on to the house

837
00:25:37,168 --> 00:25:38,770
despite what the leader...

838
00:25:38,770 --> 00:25:39,771
>> U.S. governance would be

839
00:25:39,771 --> 00:25:41,373
dramatically different if the

840
00:25:41,373 --> 00:25:41,873
House of Representatives

841
00:25:41,873 --> 00:25:43,174
operated by majority rule.

842
00:25:43,174 --> 00:25:44,276
>> Thank you and thanks for

843
00:25:44,276 --> 00:25:46,378
joining us.

844
00:25:46,378 --> 00:25:47,579
For your comments, write to the

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846
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848
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849
00:25:53,785 --> 00:25:55,086
I'm David Chanatry.

850
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For all of us at "Ivory Tower,"

851
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