>> DAVID: NEO-NAZIS AND A
PRESIDENT UNDER FIRE;
THE FEDS WANT TO KNOW WHO
PROTESTED AT THE INAUGURATION,
AND A POSSIBLE I-81 COMPROMISE.
STAY TUNED.
"IVORY TOWER" IS NEXT.
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>> GOOD EVENING, WELCOME TO
"IVORY TOWER."
I'M DAVID CHANATRY FROM UTICA
COLLEGE.
I'M JOINED TONIGHT BY LISA DOLAK
FROM THE SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY
COLLEGE OF LAW, KRISTI ANDERSON
FROM THE MAXWELL SCHOOL AT
SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY; TIM BYRNES
FROM COLGATE UNIVERSITY AND TARA
ROSS FROM ONONDAGA COMMUNITY
COLLEGE.
THIS HAS BEEN A DIFFICULT WEEK
FOR THE COUNTRY AFTER THE DEADLY
RALLY IN CHARLOTTESVILLE,
VIRGINIA.
PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS BEEN
CRITICIZED ACROSS THE POLITICAL
SPECTRUM FOR HIS BOTH SIDES
COMMENTS, C.A.T. MONUMENTS HAVE
BEEN YANKED DOWN.
AND QUESTIONS ARE BEING RAISED
ABOUT FIRST AMENDMENT
PROTECTIONS IN THE FACE OF
SOMEONE ASSERTING THEIR SECOND
AMENDMENT RIGHTS.
WHERE DOES THIS ALL LEAD?
IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE
IRRECONCILABLE CAMPS.
HOW STABLE IS THE COUNTRY?
>> I THINK WE HAVE A STABLE
COUNTRY.
I THINK THAT THERE WAS SOME
DISCUSSION AROUND THE SUBJECT OF
WHETHER WE WERE POISED FOR THE
NEXT CIVIL WAR AND IT STEMMED
FROM AN ARTICLE IN THE
NEW YORKER WRITTEN BY ROBYN
WRIGHT.
I THINK THE ARTICLE WAS, IN SOME
RESPECTS, IRRESPONSIBLE IN TERMS
OF THE POSITION IT OUTLINED.
I DON'T IN ANY WAY MEAN TO
UNDERSTATE THE SIGNIFICANCE AND
SERIOUSNESS AROUND THE VIOLENCE
WE'VE SEEN AND THE POTENTIAL FOR
MORE OF IT AND THE HATE AND
EVERYTHING THERE, ESPECIALLY
WHEN WE HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO IS
DEFENDING AS SO CALLED GOOD
PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO ARE
SPEWING RACIAL HATE AND WHITE
NATIONALISM AND WHITE
SUPREMACIST SENTIMENTS AND
THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR
INSTITUTIONS WILL GO A LONG WAY
TO KEEPING THIS A STABLE COUNTRY
AND I THINK IN PARTICULAR THE
MEDIA HAS AN OBLIGATION TO BE
VERY RESPONSIBLE WITH REGARD TO,
YOU KNOW, COVERING AND FOCUSING
ON WHAT IS GOING ON, BUT NOT
OVERSTATING THE NUMBER OF
PEOPLE, FOR EXAMPLE, WHO ARE
INVOLVED IN STOKING THIS KIND OF
HATE AROUND THE COUNTRY.
AND, YOU KNOW, THESE KIND OF
SENTIMENTS AROUND WE ARE POISED
FOR THE NEXT CIVIL WAR.
I THINK WE MAY BE POISED FOR THE
KINDS OF VIOLENT SKIRMISHES WE
SAW IN THE FIFTH, 60s, 70S,
THINGS LIKE THAT BUT NOTHING
THAT WOULD RESEMBLE THE LAST
CIVIL WAR.
>> I THINK IN FAIRNESS THAT
ARTICLE WAS SUGGESTING THAT
CIVIL WAR SOMETHING MORE
ALONG...
>> THEN YOU DON'T USE THAT TERM,
CIVIL WAR, OKAY.
I GUESS THAT'S ONE OF MY
CRITICISM OF THE ARTICLE.
TWO THINGS THE ARTICLE SAID THAT
WERE IMPORTANT TO ME AND THAT IS
THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A RISK
WHEN SO MANY MEMBERS OF THE
PUBLIC HAVE SO LITTLE CONFIDENCE
AND FAITH IN OUR INSTITUTIONS
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE
REALLY SEEN A SIGNIFICANT
DECLINE IN.
>> AND WE HAVE SEEN A
SIGNIFICANT DECLINE IN PART
BECAUSE OF THE STATEMENTS OF
LEADERS AND ONE OF THE THINGS
THAT'S SO IMPORTANT HERE IS TO
THINK ABOUT HOW POLITICAL
LEADERS AND OTHER LEADERS, TOO,
CULTURAL AND SO ON, HAVE AN
IMPACT ON THIS.
I MEAN IF YOU LOOK AT PLACES
THAT DID HAVE REAL CIVIL WARS,
YOU KNOW, THE FORMER YUGOSLAVIA
OR RWANDA, GENOCIDE AND STUFF,
IT WASN'T THAT... THERE
CERTAINLY WERE ETHNIC AND OTHER
DIFFERENCES, RELIGIOUS
DIFFERENCES THAT WERE DEEPLY
EMBEDDED, BUT THEY DIDN'T
PRODUCE THE CONFLICTS BY
THEMSELVES.
THERE WERE ENTREPRENEURIAL
POLITICAL LEADERS WHO FOSTERED
THAT AND BROUGHT THAT OUT AND
THAT'S WHAT IS SO SCARY, I
THINK, ABOUT TRUMP.
>> FROM A PEACEFUL MULTIETHNIC
SOCIETY TO... I DON'T THINK WE
ARE HEADED TOWARDS GETTYSBURG
AND APPOMATTOX BUT A TAKE A
SCARIER VIEW THAN LISA.
WHITE SUPREMACY IS A FRINGE
ELEMENT IN THE UNITED STATES AND
IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY BUT
WHITE RESENTMENT ISN'T.
WHITE RESENTMENT IS AT THE VERY
HEART OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
HAS BEEN THERE SINCE BARRY
GOLDWATER IN OPPOSITION OF THE
CIVIL RIGHTS ACT, NIXON, RONALD
REAGAN STARTING HIS CAMPAIGN IN
PHILADELPHIA AND MISSISSIPPI.
WILLY HORTON.
THIS IS A MAJOR PART OF THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY'S CULTURE AND
COALITION IS THIS IDEA THAT
WHITE PEOPLE ARE BEING
MARGINALIZED AND MISTREATED IN
OUR SOCIETY AND THEN YOU HAVE A
PRESIDENT WHO IS AN OPEN
APOLOGIST FOR THIS SORT OF THING
TRYING TO SAY THE VIOLENCE IS
COMING FROM THE OTHER SIDE AND
WHAT HAPPENS IS THE WHITE
SUPREMACISTS AND NAZIS, THEY'RE
SEEKING VIOLENT CONFLICTS.
THAT'S WHY HERE IN
CHARLOTTESVILLE AND WHY THEY'RE
GOING TO BE AT TEXAS TECH.
THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT.
THEN YOU HAVE ELEMENTS TO
COUNTERPROTEST THEM AND YOU HAVE
THE CLASHES, THE PRESIDENT SAYS
THERE IS VIOLENCE ON THE LEFT,
THE COMMIE TERRORISTS, THAT'S
WHAT THE NEO-NAZIS SAY.
THEN PEOPLE HAVE TO CHOOSE SIDES
AND YOU HAVE THE WHITE
RESENTMENT TURNS INTO APOLOGY
FOR NAZIISM.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS HEADED
BUT IT IS HEADED IN A VERY BAD
PLACE VERY FAST AND WE NEED TO
HAVE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN ITS
SORT OF INSTITUTIONAL FORM SAY
THIS IS WRONG.
WE REJECT THIS AND THE PRESIDENT
OF THE UNITED STATES, WHO NOT
ONLY IS AN APOLOGIST FOR NAZIS
BUT IN YESTERDAY HIS TWEETS
ABOUT THE BEAUTIFUL HERITAGE AND
CULTURE OF THE SOUTH NEEDS TO BE
PRESERVED IN PARKS, THIS IS, TO
ME, QUITE... I'M TRYING TO LIMIT
MY ADJECTIVES SO I'M NOT FEEDING
INTO WHAT LISA IS SAYING BUT I
THINK IT'S VERY DANGEROUS
BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE
ASKED TO CHOOSE SIDES BETWEEN
WHITE RESENTMENT AND LEFT WING
TERRORISM.
>> AND WHAT IS GETTING LOST IN
ALL OF THIS FOCUS ON THE
MONUMENTS AND THE PROTESTS IS
WHAT THAT WHITE RESENTMENT IS
ALL ABOUT AND THAT GETS BACK TO
THE WHOLE ISSUE OF STABILITY AND
WHETHER OR NOT AMERICA IS A
STABLE COUNTRY.
AND HOW WE DEFINE THAT STABILITY
BECAUSE REALLY WHEN MOST PEOPLE
TALK ABOUT OUR STABLE COUNTRY,
WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IS
ECONOMIC PROSPERITY AND THAT'S
WHERE THE WHITE RESENTMENT COMES
IN IS THIS FEELING THAT THEY'RE
LOSING SOMETHING THEY HAD A
RIGHT TO ALL THE ALL ALONG AND
THE REASON THEY'RE LOSING THE
ECONOMIC PROSPERITY IS BECAUSE
OF OTHER PEOPLE.
WE ARE LOSING OUR POWER, NOT
ONLY OUR PROSPERITY.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SHOCKED
ME THIS WEEK WAS FOX INTERVIEWED
A BURCH OF CONSERVATIVES IN THE
SOUTH.
SOME LOCAL LEADERS BUT SOME JUST
ORDINARY PEOPLE AND THEY HAD A
VARIETY OF VIEWS BUT ONE OF THE
THINGS THAT STRUCK ME AND
SURPRISED ME WAS HOW MANY OF
THEM OUR COUNTRY IS VERY
DIFFICULT DIVIDED AND IT'S
BARACK OBAMA'S FAULT.
HE DID THIS.
HE DID THIS JUST BY BEING
HIMSELF, YOU KNOW, BUT WHAT
REALLY DID IT WAS ALL THE
REPUBLICANS AND PEOPLE ON THE
OTHER SIDE WHO SAID HE IS
DIVISIVE.
FRAMED THAT WAY BY THEIR
LEADERS.
>> VIEWERS ARE GOING TO GET
TIRED OF HEARING ME SAY THIS BUT
HISTORY WILL NOT BE AT ALL
CONFUSED ABOUT THIS.
WE HAD AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN
PRESIDENT FOLLOWED BY THE
FOUNDER AND SPOKESMAN OF THE
MOVEMENT AND THIS IS RACIAL
RESENTMENT WITHIN THE REPUBLICAN
PARTY AND VERY DEEP BUT BEFORE
WE MOVE ON I WANT TO POINT OUT
THAT BLUNT VIOLENT ANTI-SEMITISM
REALLY SHOCKING.
PEOPLE MARCHING AROUND
CHARLOTTESVILLE VIRGINIA
CHANTING VIEW JEWS WILL NOT
REPLACE US AND THE PRESIDENT OF
THE UNITED STATES SAYING THERE
WERE VERY FINE PEOPLE IN THAT
MARCH.
THAT IS AN UNBELIEVABLE THING TO
SAY AND HE SAID IT WHILE THEY
STOOD RIGHT NEXT TO HIM AND NOW
WE HEAR GARY COHEN IS APPALLED
BY THAT.
LET'S SEE WHAT HE DOES BY THAT.
AND IVANKA IS ON VACATION IN
VERMONT.
>> THEY MANAGED A FEW WELL TIMED
VACATIONS.
YOU MENTIONED THE MONUMENT ISSUE
AND THERE ARE SEVERAL WHICH ARE
NOW, MANY WHEN-- MANY WHICH
PEOPLE WANT TO TAKE DOWN.
POTENTIAL FLASH POINTS AT EVERY
ONE OF THEM.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
>> AND THE PRESIDENT IS ON THE
SIDE OF THE PEOPLE WHO THINK
THAT THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL PART OF
OUR HISTORY THAT NEEDS TO BE
PRESERVED.
IT'S REALLY UNBELIEVABLE.
WE'VE GOTTEN SO USED TO
OUTRAGEOUS THINGS COMING FROM
THE WHITE HOUSE THAT YOU LOOK ON
TWITTER AND YOU SEE THE
PRESIDENT SAYS THIS IS OUR
BEAUTIFUL CULTURE IN HISTORY
THAT MUST BE PRESERVED.
THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES SAID THAT.
NOT SOME MAYOR IN A SMALL TOWN
IN KENTUCKY.
THIS IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES.
>> I FOUND VERY INTERESTING THAT
A NUMBER OF MEMBERS OF THE
FAMILIES OF ROBERT E. LEE AND
SOME OF THESE OTHER PEOPLE WHOSE
STATUES ARE BEING TORN DOWN HAVE
COME OUT IN SUPPORT OF BRINGING
THEM DOWN.
>> IN PART ROBERT E. LEE
HIMSELF, WHEN HE WAS APPROACHED
AFTER THE WAR ABOUT PUTTING UP
STATUES OF HIMSELF APPARENTLY
WROTE YOU SHOULDN'T DO IT.
WE NEED TO HEAL THE WOUNDS.
IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD
NOT PUT UP STATUES OF C.A.T.
GENERALS BASICALLY.
THAT'S NOT THE WAY TO UNITE A
COUNTRY WHICH I THOUGHT WAS
INTERESTING.
>> THAT WAS DURING THE
RECONSTRUCTION PERIOD AND THEN
THAT ENDED.
NOW THERE WAS ANOTHER VIOLENT
PROTEST BACK IN JANUARY AT
PRESIDENT TRUMP'S INAUGURATION.
NOW FEDERAL PROSECUTORS HAVE
ISSUED A SEARCH WARRANT TO THE
COMPANY WHICH HOSTED THE WEBSITE
USED TO PLAN THE PROTEST.
THEY WANT DATA ON PEOPLE WHO
VISITED THE SITE, CIVIL
LIBERTARIANS AND TECH COMPANIES
ARE CRYING FOUL AND THE COMPANY
IS RESISTING AND A COURT HEARING
IS SCHEDULED FOR TODAY.
THIS IS TOO WIDE A NET PERHAPS
TO CAST?
>> I'M A CIVIL LIBERTARIAN
CRYING FOUL.
YOU ARE ASKING FOR 1.3 MILLION
PEOPLE WHO VISITED THE SITE.
IF I'M SITTING AT MY OFFICE AT
COLGATE UNIVERSITY AND THINKING
PEOPLE ARE PLANNING A PROTEST,
LET'S SEE WHAT THIS IS ABOUT AND
I CLICK ON IT, THEN JEFF
SESSIONS GETS MY I.P. ADDRESS TO
SEE WHAT I'M DOING?
WE HAVE GIVEN UP SO MUCH PRIVACY
BECAUSE WE LIVE OUR LIVES ONLINE
AND I HAVE KIND OF COME TO TERMS
WITH THAT.
I BUY THINGS ON AMAZON.
I USE THE INTERNET EVERY DAY.
I COMMUNICATE WITH MY FRIENDS
AND LOVED ONES BY EMAIL AND
TEXT.
BUT JUST BY CLICKING ON A SITE
TO FIND OUT ABOUT A POLITICAL
EVENT THEN THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
GETS ELECTRONIC DATA ON ME?
THAT REALLY STRIKES ME AS...
THAT'S NOT A SLIPPERY SLOPE,
THAT'S DOWN THE END OF THE
SLOPE.
>> IT ALSO SEEMS WASTEFUL
INEFFICIENT AND NOT A GOOD WAY
TO PURSUE THIS.
THESE PEOPLE WENT TO THE
INAUGURATION WITH THE INTENTION
OF CAUSING DISRUPTION AND
SMASHING WINDOWS AND SO ON AND
THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT, I THINK,
ON THE WEBSITE.
BUT AND 200 PEOPLE WERE
IMMEDIATELY ARRESTED SO THERE
WAS A BIG POLICE PRESENCE OF THE
CAPITOL POLICE.
200 PEOPLE ARRESTED, A NUMBER OF
THEM WERE DISMISSED.
THE CHARGES WERE DISMISSED BUT
THEY'VE GOT EVIDENCE ABOUT A
LOOT OF PEOPLE-- A LOT OF PEOPLE
INJURING FOLKS OR DOING PROPERTY
DAMAGE.
PURSUE THOSE THINGS.
PROSECUTE THOSE PEOPLE.
WHY DO THEY NEED TO GO BACK AND
FIND OUT PEOPLE WHO MIGHT HAVE
JUST BEEN SITTING IN THEIR
OFFICES IN COLGATE OR MAYBE
SHOWED UP BUT NO EVIDENCE THAT
THEY DID ANYTHING.
WHY DO THEY NEED THIS?
>> I'M WITH YOU ON THIS.
THE MERE FACT AND THERE MAY BE
OTHER PEOPLE WHO PARTICIPATED
THE WRONGFUL ACTS, RIGHT?
BUT IT'S NOT... IS THIS REALLY
THE PRIORITY OF THE JUSTICE
DEPARTMENT?
THERE IS NOTHING MORE PRESSING
FOR THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT TO
UNDERTAKE?
I HAD A SIMILAR EXPERIENCE
YESTERDAY.
I WAS IN MY OFFICE THINKING
ABOUT THE SHOW AND I WAS
THINKING ABOUT A MEDIA REPORT I
HEARD THIS WEEK I HAVEN'T BEEN
ABLE TO TRACK DOWN.
I WAS IN MY CAR AND I HEARD
THERE WAS A PEACEFUL, YOU KNOW,
RIGHT WING PROTEST A MONTH OR SO
AGO AND MEMBER OF THIS LEFT WING
GROUP SHOWED UP AND THIS IS WHAT
WAS SAID ON THE SHOW, SET UPON
THESE PEACEFUL PROTESTORS AND
THE POINT THAT WAS MADE AT THE
TIME WAS THAT THE MEDIA HADN'T
COVERED THAT.
I WAS TRYING TO TRACK THAT DOWN
AND I STARTED TO TYPE IN AND I
STOPPED NOT BECAUSE OF THE
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT BUT EVERYBODY
IS WATCHING, MY EMPLOYERS, I
MEAN WHO NODES.
BUT AND I WAS JUST TRYING TO DO
ACADEMIC RESEARCH.
>> THE POINT IS TO INTIMIDATE
AND LIMIT THE DEGREE TO WHICH
PEOPLE CAN ORGANIZE ONLINE.
THAT'S THE POINT OF IT.
>> YOUR EXPERIENCE WHAT IS WE
NEED TO FEAR IS THAT RIGHT NOW
IT'S A PROTEST AT THE
INAUGURATION.
WHAT IS IT GOING TO BE NEXT?
WHAT TYPE OF PROTEST ARE THEY
GOING TO WANT TO KNOW ABOUT,
WHAT TYPE OF PROTESTORS ARE THEY
GOING TO WANT TO KNOW ABOUT AND
HOW FAR DOES IT GO?
DOES IT GO FROM THE JUSTICE
DEPARTMENT TO THE STATE'S
ATTORNEY GENERAL WANTING SIMILAR
TYPES OF INFORMATION ABOUT
SOMETHING THAT OCCURS ON THE
STATE LEVEL.
WHERE DOES THIS STOP?
THAT'S MY BIG FEAR ASIDE FROM,
OF COURSE, THE VIOLATION OF
PRIVACY, ET CETERA.
WHERE DOES THIS STOP ONCE YOU GO
DOWN THAT ROAD?
>> THAT COULD STOP TODAY IN A
COURTROOM, RIGHT?
>> YEAH, THAT'S ONE MORE THING
WE HAVE TO SAY HERE.
PROSECUTORS, IT'S NOT SURPRISING
WHEN THEY ASK FOR TOO MUCH.
IT'S NOT SURPRISING WHEN ANY
LAWYER ASKS FOR TOO MUCH BUT IT
WAS A SUPERIOR COURT JUDGE THAT
ISSUED THE WARRANT.
THERE IS GOING TO BE A HEARING
TODAY, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO
LAY THE BLAME, TOO, ON THE
JUDGE.
I DO WANT TO SAY THAT COMPUTER
WARRANTS ARE A LITTLE BIT
DIFFERENT FROM WARRANTS THAT ARE
ISSUED OFF THE COMPUTER AND
THERE IS THIS SORT OF TRADITION
IN WHICH A NUMBER OF FEDERAL
MAGISTRATE JUDGES AND OTHERS
HAVE PUSHED BACK AGAINST OF SORT
OF THIS TWO-STEP WARRANT WHERE
YOU GIVE EVERYTHING, THEY ASK
FOR EVERYTHING AND THEY GO
THROUGH IT AND THEY ACT ON WHAT
IS ACTUALLY ACTIONABLE,
SUPPOSEDLY BUT IT'S VERY SCARY
THE NOTION OF THE DEPARTMENT OF
JUSTICE.
>> I HAPPEN TO HEAR SOMEONE FROM
THE COMPANY, THE WEB HOSTER ON
THE RADIO SAYING THEY GET ABOUT
400 REQUESTS A YEAR LIKE THIS,
MAYBE NOT THIS BROAD.
I DON'T KNOW HOW BIG THE COMPANY
IS.
MAYBE THAT'S NORMAL BUT IT
SEEMED LIKE AN AWFUL LOT TO ME.
CLOSER TO HOME, THE MUCH
ANTICIPATED STUDY EVALUATING THE
OPTIONS FOR DEALING WITH THE
CRUMBLING I-81 INTERSTATE
THROUGH THE HEART OF SYRACUSE
IS, THE STUDY IS SUPPOSED TO BE
RELEASED THIS SUMMER, NOT MUCH
TIME LEFT IN THE SUMMER.
STATE SENATOR JOHN DeFRANCISCO
AND ASSEMBLYMAN MAGNARELLI
PROPOSED A HYBRID OF THE TUNNEL
AND GRID OPTIONS FOR THE
ROADWAY.
SO TARA, DOES THIS COMBINATION
SEEM TO MAKE ANY SENSE FROM YOUR
POINT OF VIEW?
>> IT MAKES SENSE IF YOU THINK
ABOUT IT FROM THE FACT THAT IN
THAT WAY VARIOUS PARTS OF THE
COMMUNITY ARE SORT OF SHARING
THE PAIN AND I THINK THAT'S
REALLY WHAT THE COMPROMISE IS
ABOUT IS VARIOUS COMPONENTS OF
COMMUNITY BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF
THE BIG ISSUES HAS BEEN ALL
ALONG THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DO
THE THOROUGHFARE, BUSINESSES ARE
GOING TO BE REMOVED AND WILL
HAVE TO FIND NEW PLACES OF
BUSINESS, IT WILL IMPACT CERTAIN
NEIGHBORHOODS.
IF YOU SHIFT EVERYTHING TO A
PATH THAT GOES AROUND THE CITY,
IT SHIFTS THE IMPACT OF THE
TRAVEL AND MORE, EXCUSE ME
SUBURBAN COMMUNITIES WILL SUFFER
MORE.
SO THIS SORT OF PROPOSAL MAKES
VARIOUS PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY
SHARE THE PAIN SO TO SPEAK.
BUT IT REALLY DOESN'T RESOLVE
THE PROBLEM IN THAT A WE ARE
STILL MOVING WAY TOO SLOW ON
DOING WHATEVER WE ARE GOING TO
DO WITH 81.
IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
SOMEONE NEEDS TO MAKE A
DECISION.
AND B: WHICH EVER WAY YOU GO,
YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A TRAFFIC
SHIFT AND IF YOU WANT TO BUILD
BUSINESS IN SYRACUSE, THAT
TRAFFIC SHIFT AT SOME POINT IS
GOING TO INCLUDE INCREASED
TRAFFIC SO IT REALLY DOESN'T
SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
>> THE OTHER THING IS THAT, WELL
TWO POINTS I WOULD MAKE.
ONE IS THAT A LOT OF THE
OPPOSITION IN THIS NEW STUDY
THAT CLAIMS THAT THE D.O.T. IS
WRONG AND SO ON IS ALL ON THE
PART OF PEOPLE, THE DESTINY
FOLKS AND PEOPLE IN THAT AREA.
AND YOU KNOW, THEIR POSITION HAS
ALWAYS STRUCK ME BASED ON THE
ASSUMPTION THAT PEOPLE ARE JUST
DRIVING PAST ON 81 AND SUDDENLY
SAY OH THERE IS A MALL, I'LL
STOP IN.
THAT'S NOT HOW IT HAPPENED.
EVERYBODY KNOWS WHERE DESTINY
IS.
IF YOU WANT TO GO THERE, YOU GO
THERE.
THE SECOND RELATED POINT, I DUG
AROUND TO FIND THE TRAFFIC
ESTIMATES THAT I THINK COME
THROUGH THE D.O.T. OR COMMUTING
TIME ESTIMATES AND BASICALLY SO
THEY DID IT FROM, YOU KNOW,
CICERO TO DOWNTOWN, FROM
BALDWINSVILLE TO DESTINY, I
THINK INNER CITY DESTINATIONS
DOWNTOWN ST. JOE'S AND DESTINY
AND VARIOUS SUBURBS.
AND THEY DID IT IN PEAK HOURS
AND OTHER TIMES.
THERE IS BASICALLY NO
DIFFERENCE.
I MEAN THERE MAY BE ONE OR TWO
MINUTES DIFFERENCE IN TIMES.
MAYBE 24 INSTEAD OF 23 MINUTES
OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
AND I JUST, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NO
TRAFFIC... WE HAVE VERY FEW
TRAFFIC PROBLEMS HERE.
YOU CAN GET EVERY PLACE EASILY.
THAT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE MUCH
IF THERE ARE ALL THESE OPTIONS
IN THE COMMUNITY GRID.
PEOPLE GET PLACES IN CLEVER
WAYS.
AND THE IDEA THAT THIS IS JUST
GOING TO GET RID OF BUSINESS,
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE GOING TO
BUSINESSES ON THE NORTH SIDE OR
ANYWHERE ELSE OR MAKE IT, YOU
KNOW, INTOLERABLY DIFFICULT FOR
PEOPLE TO COMMUTE IS WRONG I
THINK.
THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF OTHER
ARGUMENTS FOR TAKING DOWN THIS
TERRIBLE STRUCTURE IN THE MIDDLE
OF THE CITY, INCLUDING HOW
SUCCESSFUL THESE GETTING RID OF
THESE OVERHEAD HIGHWAYS HAVE
BEEN IN OTHER CITIES AND IN
SATISFY AND MILWAUKEE AND
PORTLAND.
>> I'M VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF
TAKING IT DOWN.
A TUNNEL AND GRID COMBINATION
MIGHT BE BEST WAY TO GET TO IT
AT THE END, I DON'T KNOW BUT
HERE WE HAVE POLITICIANS I DON'T
TRUST, ESPECIALLY SENATOR
DeFRANCISCO USING A STUDY I
DON'T TRUST PUT TOGETHER BY
PEOPLE WHO HAVE ECONOMIC
INTERESTS WHICH APPARENTLY COST
FOUR GRAND DONE IN SOMEBODY'S
HOUSE OVER THE WEEKEND.
I DON'T TAKE THIS SERIOUS AT
ALL.
I'M WAITING FOR THE REPORT.
I AGREE WITH TARA IT SHOULDN'T
TAKE THIS LONG BUT WHEN THE
REPORT COMES, YOU WEIGH THE
COST, THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT,
WEIGH THE CULTURAL ADVANTAGES OF
THE VARIOUS PROPOSALS AND MAKE A
DECISION THROUGH A DEMOCRATIC
PROCESS BUT I DO NOT TRUST THIS
STUDY AND THESE POLITICIANS ONE
TINY BIT.
>> DOES ANYONE HAVE AN IDEA
WHETHER A SIMILAR PROCESS OR
PROJECT ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE
WORLD HAS BEEN STUDIED FOR SO
LONG OR TAKEN SO LONG?
IS THIS UNUSUAL?
IT SEEMS VERY UNUSUAL TO ME.
I DON'T KNOW.
>> I MEAN MILWAUKEE MIGHT BE THE
ONE TO LOOK AT BECAUSE THEY DID
TAKE SOMETIME TO THINK ABOUT
THIS.
BUT IT CERTAINLY SEEMS LIKE, AND
THIS IS PROBABLY OVERLY
GENERALIZED STATEMENT THAT
PLANNERS AND PEOPLE WHO CARE
ABOUT SUSTAINABLE WALKABLE
BIKABLE CITIES ARE ALL ON THE
SIDE OF THE COMMUNITY GRID.
I MEAN THAT THIS IS THE FUTURE.
>> OKAY.
NOW LET'S GET OUT THE GRADE
BOOK.
SCHOOL IS ABOUT TO START.
LISA.
>> MASON MICHIGAN HOMEOWNER
JAMES FREIGHTER GETS AN F TRYING
TO SELL HIS HOUSE BUT HE GETS AN
F BECAUSE NEXT TO HIS FOR SALE
BY OWNER SALE HE HAS ANOTHER
SIGN THAT SAYS TERMS, NO
FOREIGNERS.
IRAQ VET.
ASIDE FROM THE HATEFUL ASPECT OF
THIS, THIS IS CONCERNING BECAUSE
AS THE MICHIGAN DEPARTMENT OF
CIVIL RIGHTS HAS RECOGNIZED THIS
MAY ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO THINK
THIS IS OKAY TO PUT THESE KINDS
OF SIGNS ON YOUR LAWN AND
THANKFULLY THE DEPARTMENT OF
CIVIL RIGHTS HAVE FILED A
COMPLAINT AGAINST HIM.
>> KRISTI.
>> AN F TO DONALD TRUMP FOR EVEN
THINKING ABOUT PARDONING SHERIFF
JOSEPH ARPIO OF PHOENIX.
IT WOULD TAKE A WHILE TO LIST
THE OFFENSES.
IN 2011 THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT
SAID HIS DEPUTIES HAD ENGAGED IN
THE WORST PATTERNS OF RACIAL
PROFILING THEY HAD EVER
INVESTIGATED, A FEDERAL JUDGE
FOUND HE WAS SPENDING SO MUCH
TIME HARASSING LATINOS HIS
DEPARTMENT WAS IGNORING ACTUAL
CRIME.
COURTS HAVE FOUND HIS JAILS
UNCONSTITUTIONALLY INHUMANE.
HOWEVER THE PRESIDENT CALLED HIM
A GREAT AMERICAN PATRIOT WHO HAS
DONE A LOT IN THE FIGHT AGAINST
ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.
>> TIM.
>> IN THE REALM OF PETTY TRUMP
FAMILY CORRUPTION WE ARE HAPPY
TO READ THIS WEEK A LOT OF
ORGANIZATIONS ARE PULLING OUT OF
THEIR MAR LAGO HOMES.
BUT NOT GORSUCH WHO HAS AGREED
TO GIVE A SPEECH AT THE TRUMP
INTERNATIONAL HOTEL AT A
CONFERENCE WHENNER PEOPLE WILL
PAY TO ATTEND.
THIS IS AT THE SAME TIME THE
TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WILL BE
GOING FOR THE APPEARING IN FRONT
OF THE SUPREME COURT.
GORSUCH THINKS IT IS OKAY TO
MAKE MONEY FOR THE PRESIDENT
WHILE ASSESSING THE PRESIDENT'S
CONSTITUTIONAL POWERS.
THAT'S A HUGE F FOR JUSTICE
GORSUCH.
>> MY F TO THE U.S. HOUSE OF
REPRESENTATIVES FOR PASSING
LEGISLATION WHICH WOULD ALLOW
HUNTERS IN ALASKA TO KILL BLACK
BEARS AND THEIR MOTHERS IN THEIR
DENS.
THIS IS OVERTURNING A FAIR CHASE
RULE THAT WAS PUT INTO EXISTENCE
BY THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION
AND THIS ALL BASICALLY MAKES IT
EASIER TO KILL BLACK BEAR
MOTHERS WHO ARE ESPECIALLY KNOWN
FOR THEIR VOLATILITY WHEN THEIR
CUBS ARE BEING HARMED.
>> MY F GOES TO ESPN FOR TRYING
TO BE CLEVER AND INSTEAD JUST
BEING REALLY DUMP OR REALLY TONE
DEAF MOST LIKELY BOTH.
THE NETWORK HELD A FANTASY
FOOTBALL AUCTION COMPLETE WITH
FAST TALKING AUCTIONEER IN WHICH
THE FANTASY LEAGUE OWNERS MOST
WHITE BID ON THE PLAYERS MOST
BLACK.
IT HAD ALL THE OPTICS OF A SLAVE
AUCTION.
IT WAS BAD TIMING THAT THE
SEGMENT RAN THIS WEEK OF ALL
WEEKS BUT STILL WHAT WERE THEY
THINKING?
A'S.
>> TO A GROUP OF TEENAGERS IN
BOSTON WHO DISCOVERED THE GARDEN
AGREED TO HOST THREE FUNDRAISERS
TO BEN BENEFIT THE STATE'S
RECREATION TO CONSTRUCT THE NEW
FACILITY.
AS A RESULT THE GARDEN HAS
AGREED TO PAY 1.6 TRILLION TO
THE DEPARTMENT.
THE TEENS SAY THAT THREE
FUNDRAISERS A YEAR OVER ALL
THOSE YEARS ADDS UP TO MORE THAN
$12 MILLION MORE THAN THAT AND
THEY VOW TO KEEP FIGHTING BUT
KUDOS TO THEM AND I HOPE IT
IMPORTANT TENDS A LIFE LONG
COMMITMENT TO COMMUNITY ACTION
AND DEMANDING ACCOUNTABILITY.
>> AN A TO ALL THE WOMEN WHO IN
PART THANKS TO DONALD TRUMP'S
ELECTION ARE PLANNING TO RUN FOR
OFFICE.
EMILY'S LIST THAT ENCOURAGES AND
SUPPORTS PROGRESSIVE WOMEN
CANDIDATES REPORTED THAT
INQUIRIES FOR WOMEN RUNNING FOR
OFFICE ON THE LOCAL OR STATE OR
NATIONAL LEVEL HAVE GONE FROM
900 DURING THIS STAGE OF THE
2016 ELECTION CYCLE TO 11,000
THIS YEAR.
>> AN A TO THE NEWS THIS WEEK.
THE FIRST LEGAL VICTORY FOR
VICTIMS OF THE OUTLAW U.S.
TORTURE REGIME.
TWO VICTIM AND A THIRD MAN
REACHED A SETTLEMENT WITH THE
TWO DISREPUTABLE PSYCHIATRISTS
THAT LED THE PROGRAM THAT LED TO
HUMILIATION, EXTREME PAIN AND
ONE DEATH.
IT IS NOT THE CRIMINAL REMEDY WE
REQUIRE BUT IT'S A START.
>> MY A GOES TO BRENT WARFIELD
OF UNITED MOTORCYCLE ENTHUSIAST
AND NUMEROUS INDIANA BIKERS WHO
JOINED TOGETHER TO ESCORT AN
11-YEAR-OLD PHIL MICK TO SCHOOL.
HE HAS BEEN BULLIED IN SCHOOL
BEFORE AND THEY DECIDED THEY
WOULD TAKE HIM TO HIS FIRST DAY
OF CLASSES.
SO AN A TO ALL OF THEM.
>> NOW MY A, A BIT OF A THEME
THIS WEEK, TO NEW YORK GIANTS
LINE BACKER DEVYN KINARD STARTED
AN ONLINE READING CLUB FOR
SCHOOL AGE KIDS A PASSIONATE
READER HIMSELF, HE CHOSE THE
BOOKS TO KILL A MOCKING BIRD AND
ALCHEMIST, REREAD THEM ALONG
WITH THE GROUP, ASKED PRETTY
SPECIFIC QUESTIONS TO START AN
ONLINE DISCUSSION AND RESPONDED
TO ALL THE KIDS COMMENTS.
HE TOLD "THE NEW YORK TIMES"
KIDS NEED TO READ TO LEARN AND
GAIN PERSPECTIVE RATHER THAN
DOING MINDLESS THINGS, SOMETHING
I WISH SOME FAMILY MEMBERS OF
MINE MIGHT PAY ATTENTION TO.
SO HE IS ON MY FAVORITE TEAM AND
NOW MY NEW FAVORITE PLAYER.
ALL THE TEXTING AND INSTAGRAM
THAT, ANYWAY.
WE HAVE A COUPLE OF LETTERS I
JUST WANT TO MENTION QUICKLY.
WE RECEIVED A LETTER FROM RICH
HELMS FROM CLEVELAND, OHIO, GLAD
THAT RICH IS WATCHING AND HE
COMMENTED ON THE TABLE SAW
DISCUSSION LAST WEEK SAID THAT
THE POTENTIAL BENEFITS OF ANY
NEW SAFETY DEVICE MUST BE
WEIGHED AGAINST THE COST AND IN
THIS PARTICULAR CASE THE COST IS
HIGH.
WE ARE TOLD BY HOWIE RHINE IT IS
$200 IN THAT CASE TO HAVE A SAFE
TABLE SAW AND MICHAEL McCABE
JUST WROTE IN QUICKLY AND SAID
WITH SOME ADVICE SAID DRINK ONLY
THE GOOD STUFF BECAUSE WE CAN'T
BE SURE WHAT THE WHITE HOUSE IS
GOING TO DO WITH REGARDS TO THE
KID IN NORTH KOREA.
WITH THAT IT'S TIME TO CLOSE.
WRITE US WITH YOUR COMMENTS OR
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FOR ALL OF US, THANKS FOR
WATCHING AND HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.
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