HAWAII’S SHORELINES MAKE FOR PICTURESQUE BACK‑DROPS, BUT RESIDENTS SAY BEACH PARKS HAVE BEEN OVERCROWDED WITH COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES LIKE WEDDINGS, KAYAK RENTALS AND TOUR BUS DROP‑OFFS.
MORE THAN A DOZEN OF OAHU’S MOST POPULAR BEACHES ARE CURRENTLY PROTECTED BY A CITY BAN.
HOWEVER, THE MAYOR IS CONSIDERING AN ISLAND‑WIDE COMMERCIAL USE SYSTEM THAT COULD AFFECT THAT.
TONIGHT, YOU’LL HEAR FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE.
THIS LIVE BROADCAST AND LIVE STREAM OF INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAII START NOW.
ALOHA AND WELCOME TO INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAII.
I'M DARYL HUFF.
THERE’S A BATTLE BREWING AT HONOLULU HALE AS THE CITY COUNCIL CONSIDERS BILL 19.
THE MEASURE IS MAYOR RICK BLANGIARDI’S PLAN TO CREATE AN ISLAND‑WIDE SYSTEM TO REGULATE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES AT OAHU BEACH PARKS.
IF PASSED, IT WOULD ALLOW LOCAL BUSINESSES LIKE WEDDINGS, SURF SCHOOLS AND TOUR BUS COMPANIES TO OPERATE WITH RESTRICTIONS, BUT IT WOULD REVERSE YEARS OF WORK BY WINDWARD OAHU AND NORTH SHORE RESIDENTS WHO FOUGHT TO WIN BANS ON COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY AFTER SHORELINES WERE INUNDATED WITH TOURISTS.
WE’RE ASKING OUR PANEL TONIGHT IF THERE’S A WAY TO FIND A SOLUTION THAT WILL SATISFY BOTH SIDES.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR PARTICIPATION IN TONIGHT'S SHOW.
YOU CAN EMAIL OR CALL IN YOUR QUESTIONS AND YOU’LL FIND A LIVE STREAM OF THIS PROGRAM AT PBSHAWAII.ORG AND THE PBS HAWAII FACEBOOK PAGE.
NOW, TO OUR GUESTS.
LAURA THIELEN IS THE DIRECTOR OF THE HONOLULU DEPARTMENT OF PARKS AND RECREATION, WHICH OVERSEES MORE THAN 300 PARKS AND GARDENS ACROSS OAHU.
SHE PREVIOUSLY SERVED AS A STATE SENATOR AND IS FORMER CHAIR OF THE DEPARTMENT OF LAND AND NATURAL RESOURCES.
HONOLULU CITY COUNCILMEMBER MATT WEYER REPRESENTS DISTRICT 2, WHICH COVERS ALL THE WAY FROM WAIKELE TO THE NORTH SHORE AND PARTS OF THE WINDWARD OAHU.
HE’S A GRADUATE OF THE UNIVERSITY OF HAWAII’S RICHARDSON SCHOOL OF LAW WITH CERTIFICATES IN NATIVE HAWAIIAN AND ENVIRONMENTAL LAW.
KAPUA MEDEIROS IS A MEMBER OF THE WAIMANALO NEIGHBORHOOD BOARD.
SHE WAS RAISED IN WAIMANALO AND IS A LEI MAKER, WHO HAS THREE CHILDREN AND EIGHT GRANDCHILDREN.
AND MICHAEL WATERS IS WITH HALIA TOURS AND TRANSPORTATION.
HE’S BEEN IN THE HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY FOR MORE THAN 15 YEARS WORKING IN SEVERAL POSITIONS INCLUDING SALES AGENT, DISPATCHER AND AS A STATE‑CERTIFIED TOUR GUIDE.
LET ME START WITH KAPUA.
WHAT WAS IT LIKE IN WAIMANALO BEFORE THE GOVERNMENT STARTED REALLY RESTRICTED COMMERCIAL OPERATIONS OVER THERE.
>> GOVERNMENT STARTED I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST ALL OF YOU WHAT WAS LIKE BEFORE WE STARTED HEAVILY REGULATING COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES.
>> SURE.
BEFORE REGULATIONS, THIS IS A TIME WHEN I HAVE ACTUALLY NOT BEEN BACK TO WAIMANALO FOR A WHILE, BECAUSE I MOVED OUT TO WAIANAE FOR A WHILE WHEN I CAME BACK, THE TOURISTS INDUSTRY HAD JUST ABOUT BEEN REMOVED.
SO THE TOURISTS STOPS.
SO I WASN'T THERE AT THAT TIME.
I WAS ABLE TO WITNESS THE TOTAL INUNDATION OF COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY AT ALMOST EVERY ONE OF OUR BEACH PARKS HE WAS AT HUNANANIHO BECAUSE OF THE WIDE OPEN SPACES THE FOREST ENVIRONMENT.
>>Daryl: SHERWOODS.
>> SHERWOODS FOUGHT HARD TOO.
NOW NOT SHERWOODS ANY MORE.
WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE THE NAME CHANGED TO HUNANANIHO WHICH IS THE ORIGINAL NAME.
NOT CHANGED BUT, DON'T KNOW HOW YOU SAY IT.
GOT IT REPLACED.
RESTORED.
RESTORED.
>>Daryl: LET ME ASK MATT WEYER, GIVE ME A SENSE OF WHAT THE NORTH SHORE WAS LIKE BEFORE OF TERMS OF COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES IN PARTICULAR.
>> I MEAN I THINK A LOT OF THE ISSUES STEMMED FROM COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY OCCURRING, TOUR BUS STOPS.
>> INUNDATION OF BEACH PARKS.
LED TO CONJUNCTION, TRAFFIC, SEE PARKING STALLS TAKEN AWAY.
I THINK EVEN MORE RECENTLY, MORE RECENT BEACH PARK WAS KOKOLOLIO AND KO'OLAULOA.
MORE RECENT ISSUE COME UP AND BAN EXACERBATED SEEN FOLKS PUSHED OUT OF CERTAIN BEACH PARKS.
SEE KIND OF.
>>Daryl: IS THAT THE ONE THAT'S JUST ALONG SIDE HALEIWA BEACH PARK?
>> NO.
OVER BY LAIE.
JUST MOST RECENT.
TOTAL OF 17 I BELIEVE BEACH PARKS.
16.
MIGHT BE ONE IMPROVED I THINK.
16 ACROSS OAHU.
THAT ARE REGULATED FROM REALLY I THINK COMMUNITY INPUT AND COMMUNITY PUSH AND GETTING ACTIVATED AT THE COUNCIL.
>>Daryl: MICHAEL WATERS, YOU'VE BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS FOR A WHILE.
WHAT WAS THE CONDITION LIKE BEFORE THERE WAS HEAVY REGULATION OR HAS THERE ALWAYS BEEN HEAVY REGULATION?
WHAT WAS IT LIKE BEFORE.
>> PRETTY MUCH WHAT IT IS NOW.
UNLESS YOU CARE AND FOLLOW THE RULES.
NOT A LOT DIFFERENT.
LITTLE BIT LESS BUSSES UP ON THE NORTH SHORE.
OUR GUESTS HAVE TO WALK A LOT FURTHER.
THERE IS DEFINITELY, DEFINITELY IMPROVEMENT TO SAY THE LEAST.
I AM GOING TO DISAGREE WITH THE WHOLE BATTLE BREWING.
I DO PUT A LOT OF IT ON THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE PARKS DEPARTMENT FOR QUICK REACTIONS WITHOUT NECESSARILY THINKING OF CONSEQUENCES.
KOKOLIO DIRECT AND UNDISPUTABLE RESULT OF WHAT HAPPENED ON THE NORTH SHORE.
THAT'S NOT THE NORTH SHORE COMMUNITY FAULT.
I USED TO REALLY GIVE IT TO COMPANIES THAT WERE DOING THINGS THEY WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO DO.
WHATEVER.
NOW, I DON'T BLAME THEM AT ALL.
UNLESS THEY'RE DISRESPECTFUL TO SOMEBODY LIKE AUNTY MEDEIROS.
>>Daryl: HOW MUCH OF AN ISSUE WAS THE ILLEGAL OPERATORS.
>> ALWAYS BEEN BIG AND ALWAYS BEEN BIG.
NAME OF THE TOUR COMPANIES NAME OF THE COMPANIES I WOULD SAY DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU COUNT AS ILLEGAL, LOOKING AT HALF OF THE COMPANIES THAT ARE ADVERTISING ONLINE THAT THEY'RE GOING FOR ILLEGAL PLACES.
IF ANYBODY AT HOME WANTS TO PULL OUT THEIR PHONE, AND GOOGLE STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN RIGHT NOW, BE ABLE TO BOOK IT.
GAVE IT AWAY AS A PRIZE ON JEOPARDY.
IT'S NOT IDEAL TO SAY THE LEAST MIGHT WANT TO ADD THAT PRIOR DISCUSSION, FOLKS DID ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU'RE ONE OF THE FOLKS THAT REALLY DOES TRY AND FOLLOW THE RULES.
MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WATCHING THIS PART OF YOUR VALUES AS A COMPANY.
>> TWO MAIN REASONS WHY I FOLLOW THE RULES.
OUT OF RESPECT FOR FOLLOW THE RULES RESPECT FOR AUNTIE KAPUA, GO INTO THE CITY COUNCIL SAY WHAT I NEED TO BE SAID.
I KNOW I'M PROTECTED IN CASE ANYBODY CALLS THEIR FRIENDS TO COME AND INVESTIGATE MY COMPANY.
BECAUSE I'M ONLINE POINT WITH MY D.O.T.
MY PUC, FEDERAL, D.O.T., ALL OF THAT STUFF.
THAT'S LITERALLY THE ONLY TWO REASONS WHY I'M LEGAL.
>>Daryl: LAURA THIELEN DIRECTOR OF PARKS.
YOU'VE BEEN BORN AND RAISED IN WINDWARD SIDE.
GO BACK TO ORIGINAL QUESTION.
WAS COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY THE PRIMARY REASON THINGS WERE GETTING REALLY CONGESTED?
>> IT STARTED WITH TOUR BUSSES I THINK IN KAILUA.
>>Daryl: WELCOME BACK.
>> WE'RE TALKING TEN 12 YEARS NOW.
I THINK IT WAS WHEN I WAS STARTING IN THE SENATE.
THEY WERE BASICALLY INVITED INTO KAILUA TOWN AND GIVING PARKING SPOTS AND KAILUA BECAME ON SOCIAL MEDIA ONE OF THE PLACES TO GO.
>>Daryl: BUSSES WERE BASICALLY ENCOURAGED TO COME TO BRING CUSTOMERS TO KAILUA.
CORRECT.
STARTED GOING INTO LANIKAI, KAILUA BEACH PARK.
STANDING ON CORNER IN KAILUA, STANDING THERE FOR 3 MINUTE PERIOD, 15 TOUR BUSSES GOING BY.
SO THE COMMUNITY STARTED PUSHING BACK.
WITH DEPARTMENT OF PARKS.
TO TRY AND PROTECT KAILUA BEACH PARK.
AT THE TIME, CITY WAS NOT WILLING TO REGULATE THE TOUR INDUSTRY.
OR TO DO ANYTHING.
FINALLY, COUNCIL BECAME FRUSTRATED AND DID A BAN FOR KAILUA BEACH PARK, ADJACENT PARK AND BEACH RIGHT OF WAYS IN LANIKAI.
AND THEN WHAT HAPPENED, BUSINESS STARTED SHIFTING OVER TO WAIMANALO.
THEN YOU HAD THE BANS FOLLOW ON WAIMANALO.
THERE WAS SOME ON THE NORTH SHORE.
BUSINESS SHIFTED TO KOKOKOLIO.
ONE OF THE THINGS THE MAYOR ASKED ME TO DO, NOT HE'S CONCERNED ABOUT WE KEEP PUSHING THE PROBLEM TO THE NEXT COMMUNITY, THE NEXT COMMUNITY.
AND HE'S SAYING WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS ISLANDWIDE THAT PROTECTS RECREATIONAL SPACES SO IT'S NOT A BILL TO PERMIT COMMERCIAL USE, A BILL TO RESTRICT AND REGULATE WHAT COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES MAY OCCUR IN THESE AREAS WE SO WE DON'T KEEP KICKING THE CAN TO THE NEXT COMMUNITY.
>>Daryl: HAS THAT BEEN YOUR PERCEPTION?
WHERE DO YOU HAVE BANS IN YOUR DISTRICT.
>>Daryl: WHICH IS WAIKELE AROUND THE NORTHERN PART OF WINDWARD SIDE.
>> THE GREAT QUESTION.
I THINK IT'S ABOUT EIGHT ON NORTH SHORE.
KALIHI BEACH PARK, SUNSET, WAILEA.
FEW OTHERS, KOKOLOLIO.
FOR ME, I THINK MENTIONED, WE DON'T WANT THIS TO BE NECESSARILY DIVISIVE WHERE DO WE START.
I THINK START WITH THE PUBLIC TRUST.
SO THESE BEACH SPACES PUBLIC BEACH PARKS, ARE AVAILABLE TO OUR COMMUNITY AROUND PROTECTED UNDER OUR CONSTITUTION.
THAT INCLUDES ACCESS TO THOSE SPACES AND THEN LIKE I MENTIONED, PROTECTION OF THOSE SPACES.
>> IF BOTH OF WHAT YOU SAY IS TRUE, DO YOU THINK THE SMARTEST PLACE TO START WAS BY COMPLETELY ERASING ALL OF THE WORK THAT THE COMMUNITY FOUGHT SO HARD TO PUT IN OVER THE YEARS?
DO YOU THINK THAT WAS THE BEST PLACE THAT YOU COULD START THIS BILL?
>> I MEAN, I THINK FOR ME, WHY I VOTED NO FIRST READING.
BECAUSE OF THE COMMUNITY CONCERNS.
ALSO.
>> THANK YOU.
VICE CHAIR KIA'AINA AS WELL.
>>Daryl: YOUR VERY ODD SITUATION HERE.
I'VE KIND OF NOT BEEN THAT INVOLVED IN THIS ISSUE.
COVERED VARIOUS PARTS OF IT.
STRIKES ME THAT IF YOU'RE TRYING TO REGULATE SOMETHING, YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO ENFORCE IT.
>> YES.
>>Daryl: KAPUA IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, WAIMANALO, YOU COULD BAN SOMETHING BUT IF PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO FOLLOW THE RULES, STILL GOING TO BE THERE.
RIGHT.
>> IN FACT DAY AFTER ANNOUNCED ON THE NEWS, THAT BILL 19 WAS INTRODUCED, THE VERY NEXT DAY, ALL OF THE TOUR BUSSES CAME ROLLING BACK THROUGH WAIMANALO.
WHEN THEY HAD BEEN BANNED FROM, I BELIEVE 2017.
>>Daryl: WHICH ANNOUNCEMENT WAS THIS.
>> '18.
>>Daryl: WHICH ANNOUNCEMENT WAS THIS?
>> SO THIS WAS ANNOUNCEMENT THAT WAS OF THE FIRST HEARING WHEN THE BILL WAS INTRODUCED.
BILL 19.
AND SO IT CAME ON THE NEWS.
MADE THE NEWS THAT NIGHT.
AND THE VERY NEXT DAY, ALL OF THE TOUR BUSSES CAME ROLLING THROUGH WAIMANALO AGAIN WHEN THEY HAD BEEN BANNED.
STOPPING AT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT PARKS.
>>Daryl: STILL BANNED?
>> YES.
>>Daryl: JUST SHOWED UP BECAUSE THEY BELIEVED NOW.
>> NOW THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO COME WHEREVER THEY WANT TO AGAIN.
TOOK SO MANY YEARS FOR THE COMMUNITY TO GET THOSE BANS PUT IN PLACE.
THAT WAS BEFORE I GOT THERE.
BILL 38 PASSED IN SEPTEMBER OF 2022.
AND FEBRUARY, MARCH, 2023, WE GET A BILL THAT TOTALLY ERASES ALL OF OUR HARD WORK FOR 3 YEARS.
WAIMANALO FAIRLY WELL ORGANIZED COMMUNITY.
RIGHT?
THEY WORK TOGETHER.
THEY HAD PEOPLE OUT ON THE BEACH ENFORCING AND SO ON.
THEY GET A BAN.
KAILUA BEACH GETS A BAN.
WELL CONNECTED ALSO.
WELL CONNECTED ORGANIZED COMMUNITY.
ARE THE ORGANIZE COMMUNITIES GETTING BANS WHILE COMMUNITIES THAT DON'T QUITE HAVE THAT COHESION ENDING UP WITH THE OFFSHOOT AFFECT OF PEOPLE MOVING TO THEIR AREAS?
DOESN'T SOUND FAIR.
>> I'LL SAY FIRST, PROGRESSION.
IN TERMS OF DISTRICT 2.
NORTH SHORE WHERE IT BEGAN.
WENT DOWN INTO KO'OLAU LOA.
ACROSS THE KO'OLAU LOA.
I DO THINK IT'S REALLY THOSE PLACES THAT ARE MOST IMPACTED BY TOURISM.
>> YES.
>> WHEN WE'RE LOOK AT OTHER BEACH PARKS, AROUND OAHU, WHEN THE IMPACT ISN'T AS GREAT.
THERE'S GOING TO BE LESS OF A COMMUNITY CONCERN.
BUT THEN YOU'RE SMALL BEACH PARK RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, SEEING FIVE, TEN, TOUR BUSSES STOP A DAY, THAT'S GOING TO DO IMPACT YOUR ENJOYMENT OF THAT PARK WITH YOUR FAMILY.
>> ONLY THING I WOULD CAUTION.
OUR IMPACT IS EASY TO SEE BOTH POSITIVES AND NEGATIVES.
TAKE A LONG TIME.
EASY WHEN HAVE 2 OR 3 VEHICLES GOING IN THERE.
WHEN THAT 2 OR 3 VEHICLES, GEARED TOWARDS WEALTHIER CLIENTELE COME IN HERE AND PURCHASE THIS PROPERTY, THEIR BASICALLY GOING ON A REAL ESTATE TOUR.
PURCHASE THE PROPERTY.
KICK PEOPLE OUT SUPPOSED TO LIVE THERE.
GET TOGETHER AND BAN TOUR BUSSES.
SO THAT'S KIND OF PART OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES IT A LITTLE TRICKY TO OPERATE.
>>Daryl: STARTING TO GET QUESTIONS IN FROM THE VIEWERS.
WANT TO HONOR THEM.
I HAVEN'T NOTICE ANY CHANGE IN COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY ON THE BEACHES IN KAILUA.
USED TO BE KAYAK RENTALS ON THE BEACH NOW ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PARK.
WHATEVER REGULATIONS DONE.
>> IS IT POSSIBLE TO END ACTIVITY LIKE THAT?
I'VE SEEN PEOPLE CARRY KAYAKS ACROSS THE STREET.
PARK RENTAL CAR AND CARRY A KAYAK ACROSS THE STREET.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS WE WERE TRYING TO DO IN THE BILL IS DEAL WITH THE ISSUE OF ENFORCEMENT.
TOOK A LOOK AT WHAT WAS WORKING AND WHAT HAS NOT BEEN WORKING.
SO FIRST THING NOT BEEN WORKING CURRENT LAW ALLOWS BUSSES TO HAVE A 15 MINUTE GRACE PERIOD.
ANY BUS CAN GO IN TO A PARK, IF THEY ONLY THERE FOR 15 MINUTES, AT THAT DOES NOT COUNT AS A STOP.
SO WE SAID, THAT DOESN'T WORK.
BECAUSE THERE'S LOT OF BUSSES GO AND PARK, POLICE WILL COME BY.
WE JUST PULLED IN.
THEY'VE BEEN THERE LONGER.
POLICE WILL SAY YOU NEED TO MOVE ON.
THEY WILL.
IN THE CURRENT LAW, YOU HAVE TO PROVE A CRIMINAL CASE.
SO IN ORDER TO SHOW VIOLATION, YOU HAVE TO POLICE OFFICER PROVE BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT TAKE THE DRIVER OR BUS COMPANY TO COURT.
PETTY MISDEMEANORS.
WHAT HAPPENED IN KAILUA WHEN THEY DID THE BAN, CHANGED IT A CITATION.
PARKING TICKET.
THAT WAS VERY EFFECTIVE.
SO IN BILL 19.
>> WE TOOK A LOOK AT WE SHOULD CHANGE THE ENTIRE ENFORCEMENT SYSTEM AND PENALTY SYSTEM TO USE CITATIONS INSTEAD OF MAKING THEM PETTY MISDEMEANOR CRIMINAL ACTIONS, THAT WOULD BE A MORE EFFECTIVE WAY AT ENFORCING.
RIGHT NOW, IT'S NOT REALLY POSSIBLE.
EACH TIME YOU WOULD SEE A KAYAK RENTAL THAT, WOULD HAVE TO BE A SEPARATE CRIMINAL CASE.
SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO FILE A CRIMINAL CHARGE AGAINST A PERSON FOR MONDAY.
CAME BACK TUESDAY, YOU HAVE START WITH COMPLETELY SEPARATE CASE FOR TUESDAY.
AS OPPOSED TO BE BEING ABLE TO GIVE A TICKET, PUSH BACK FROM THAT STARTING FALSE PREMISE ON THE 15 AND 90 MINUTES.
I COULD PICK APART LITERALLY ANY ASPECT OF THE BUSINESS THAT I RUN FROM THE PUC TO THE D.O.T.
IT'S NOT ON THEM.
THEY'RE GREAT PEOPLE.
BUT LIKE EVERY OTHER ENFORCEMENT BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT, UNDERFUNDED.
AND THEY'RE UNDERSTAFFED.
THE 15 MINUTES BASICALLY WHEN YOU TAKE THAT AWAY, I'M NOT GOING TO GO ANYWHERE NEAR YOU.
BECAUSE AS I MENTIONED, IN THAT MEETING, SINCE YOU GUYS CHANGED RECREATIONAL STOPS DURING COVID IN THE FIRST FEW MONTHS WHEN EVERYBODY WAS STILL VERY, VERY SCARED, OF WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, YOU HAD TO US ALL GET INTO A SMALL ROOM AND TOTALLY CHANGED RULES ON THE REC STOP.
I UNDERSTAND YOU WEREN'T THERE YET.
WHEN I SAY YOU, SOMETIMES I AM REFERRING TO THE DEPARTMENT.
HOWEVER, I CAN TAKE ANY ASPECTS OF THAT AND PICK IT APART.
>>Daryl: I THINK THAT THE PUBLIC IS NOT GOING TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT.
>> THAT'S FAIR.
TAKE YOUR COMMERCIAL PARKING PERMIT, COMMERCIAL PARKING SPACE.
SET UP A PARKING SPACE.
I COULD EARN YOU A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS PER PARKING STALL.
>>Daryl: WHERE ARE WE NOW WITH WHERE DO YOU THINK IS THE SOLUTION HERE?
I MEAN, IN TERMS OF DO WE NEED TO HAVE ISLANDWIDE SYSTEM OR SHOULD WE CONTINUE TO JUST DEAL WITH HOT SPOTS?
>> SO I APPRECIATE DIRECTOR AND ADMINISTRATION KIND OF PUTTING A PAUSE ON THE MOVEMENT OF BILL 19.
IT'S BEEN IN COMMITTEE.
HASN'T COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR SECOND READING.
THERE'S BEEN COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND I REALLY THINK THAT'S WHERE IT BEGINS.
LOOKING AT ONE, THE PARKS, BEACH PARKS WHERE THE COMMUNITIES ALREADY FOUGHT AND ACHIEVED WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE, WE CAN LEAVE THOSE IN PLACE FOR NOW.
LOOK AT OTHER BEACH PARKS ON OAHU.
SEE MAYBE START FROM NOT MACRO LEVEL.
>> BUT DO KIND OF PILOT.
A SMALLER LEVEL.
MAYBE.
>>Daryl: IN A WAY, JUST LIKE I SAID, I'M GOING ALONG, ISN'T THAT SORT OF PICKING WINNERS AND LOSERS?
GUYS THAT WON.
GOT A BAN.
LET THE OPERATORS OVER HERE WITH REGULATIONS.
I CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE SOME SORT OF ISLANDWIDE THING WOULD MAKE SENSE.
ALSO FROM WHAT MICHAEL IS SAYING, AIN'T EASY.
>> DEPENDS ON THE ACTIVITY TOO.
SO I THINK WHAT I'M THINKING, AGAIN, I THINK THIS INVOLVES EACH COMMUNITY.
BECAUSE EACH BEACH PARK IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
EACH COMMUNITY'S DESIGNED AND SHAPED A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
BOTH FAMILIES USE THAT SPACE AND NATURAL RESOURCES AROUND IT.
BUT IF WE'RE LOOKING AT, SAY, TOUR STOPS, IT'S CLEAR THAT THERE'S SOME BEACH PARKS WHERE THAT IS NOT APPROPRIATE.
MAYBE BASED ON THE NUMBER OF PARKING STALLS.
LACK OF AMENITIES.
PARTICULAR SPACE.
YOU KNOW, ECOSYSTEM OR NATURAL RESOURCES THERE CAN'T BE OVERBURDENED.
I DO THINK IT TAKES A SPECIFIC LOOK AT EACH PARTICULAR AREA.
AND I KNOW THAT WAS A CONVERSATION WE ASKED.
>> I AGREE TOTALLY.
IF I HAD TO MAKE A CHOICE RIGHT NOW, I WOULD SAY THERE'S PLACES WHERE TOURISM AND COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY IS WELCOME THAT WOULD BE WAIKIKI, THAT WOULD BE KAHALA, AND THAT WOULD BE KO OLINA.
THOSE PLACES ARE WELCOME.
LET'S PUT A FULL NO BAN THERE.
LET ALL GO THERE.
THAT'S NOT WHERE THEY WANT TO BE.
THEY WANT TO COME INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS SACRED SPACES.
THAT HAVE OUR WILDLIFE.
AND THE THING IS IF EVERY BUSINESS OWNER WAS RESPECTFUL AS MICHAEL WATERS, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT MAKING THESE LAWS THAT ARE NOT BEING, NOT BEING ENFORCED WELL.
THAT IS THE PROBLEM.
TO ME, THAT IS ONE OF THE KEY ISSUES IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO KEEP ENFORCEMENT HAPPENING NEIGHBORHOODS MAY GET A LITTLE BETTER.
>>Daryl: TO FOLLOW UP, WOULD YOU IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, FOR EXAMPLE, BE WILLING TO ALLOW A LITTLE BIT OF COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY IF IT WAS ACTUALLY ENFORCED AS A LITTLE BIT OF COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY BECAUSE THE BAN WAS BECAUSE ONCE IF YOU DON'T BAN IT, THEN IT OPENS DOOR FOR PEOPLE TO CHEAT.
>> NO.
WAIMANALO.
>>Daryl: BAN IS CLEAR.
>> RIGHT.
WAIMANALO IS NOT WILLING TO, WE'VE ALREADY SAID WE'RE NOT WILLING TO ALLOW ANY MORE TOURISM AND COMMERCIAL AOC ACTIVITY ON OUR SHORES.
WAIMANALO IS A LITTLE BIT SPECIAL BECAUSE EVERY SINGLE BEACH PARK ON SHORELINE IN WAIMANALO SITS ON HAWAIIAN HOMESTEAD LAND.
CITY LEASING FROM FROM HAWAIIAN HOMESTEAD LAND.
NOT GOING TO BE KANAKA FIRST, I STATED IN THE CITY COUNCIL THAT WE'RE NOT WILLING TO GIVE UP OUR BANS.
WE'LL TAKE IT INTO OUR OWN HANDS.
THANK YOU.
>>Daryl: DIRECTOR THIELEN, COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
I WANT TO GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO FULLY EXPLAIN WHAT YOUR PROPOSAL IS AND HOW IT MAY BE EVOLVING.
JEANNIE IN KAIMUKI.
CAN WE GET A BRIEFING WHAT THE RULES ARE NOW CHANGES BLANGIARDI IS PROPOSING.
FROM RAQUEL.
EMEMAIL.
HOW WILL YOU PLACE RESIDENTS AT THE FOREFRONT OF ANY PLAN TO MAKE IT WORK TO SUPPORT LOCAL RESIDENTS COMMUNITY.
TIRED OF BEING PLACE TO DO SECOND TOURISM AND COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY IN ONE PLACE.
ELEVATOR DESCRIPTION WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISHMENT AND HOW WOULD IT BE ENFORCED?
YOU MENTIONED CITATIONS.
CAN'T PUT POLICE AROUND THE ISLAND ON THIS.
>> WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO WITH THE BILL IS TO START THE CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW SHOULD WE MANAGE TOURISM BECAUSE WITHOUT REGULATIONS, 51 BEACH PARKS AND 80 ODD BEACH RIGHTS OF WAY, THIS DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIAL LEGISLATION, IT'S OPEN SEASON.
SO HOW CAN CHANGE THE LAW TO PROVIDE PROTECTIONS COMMUNITIES AROUND THE ISLAND.
MAKE SURE WHERE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY IS ALLOWED, IT'S RESTRICTED TO HOURS AND DAYS WHERE WE DON'T HAVE SUCH HEAVY CONGESTION.
SO WE DON'T WANT WEEKENDS.
WE DON'T WANT HOLIDAYS.
WE DON'T EARLY MORNINGS AND WE DON'T AFTERNOONS.
WE'RE NOT, INTERFERING WITH RUSH HOUR AND TIME THAT THE MAJORITY OF RESIDENTS USE THE AREAS.
HOW CAN WE ADDRESS THE, HOW WE ENFORCE TO MAKE IT SOMETHING THAT IS MORE ENFORCEABLE BECAUSE USING CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM FOR SOMETHING LIKE A TOUR BUS STOP, ISN'T WORKING.
ANYWHERE.
SO WHERE WE DID PUT CITATIONS IN, THAT WORKED.
SO LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
THE IDEA OF WHAT DID WE DO WITH THE 16 PARKS AND LIMITED BEACH RIGHTS OF WAY CURRENTLY HAVE BANS?
YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO START THE DISCUSSION.
WE PUT THE BILL FORWARD THAT JUST SAYS, LET'S HAVE THE SAME THING AT EVERY PARK.
BUT WE KNEW THAT THAT WAS GOING TO BE AMENDED.
SO WHEN WE INTRODUCED BILL, WE SAID THIS IS TO BEGIN DISCUSSION.
WE WANT TO GET COMMUNITY INPUT.
AND I THINK COUNCILMEMBER WEYER SAID, WE WENT AND TOOK A LOOK AT THE BEACH PARKS AND WHAT ARE THE SIZE, NUMBER OF PARKING STALLS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND HAVING THE DISCUSSION, AT THE COUNCIL, I THINK THERE'S AGREEMENT THAT YOU SHOULDN'T BE HAVING STOPS AT CERTAIN AREAS.
SO WE TOOK OFF THE TABLE INITIAL BILL NO BEACH RIGHT OF WAYS ANYWHERE ON THE ISLAND.
BECAUSE THESE ARE ALL RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
>>Daryl: BEING NO COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY BEACH RIGHT OF WAYS.
>> EXCEPT FOR SURF LESSONS.
>> ONLY ONES CURRENTLY ALLOWED IN THE LAW.
NOWHERE ELSE.
NO COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES UNIMPROVED LANDS THAT ARE UNDER THE DEPARTMENT OF LAND AND NATURAL RESOURCES.
SORRY, DEPARTMENT OF PARKS AND RECREATION.
BECAUSE THOSE HAVE NOT BEEN, DON'T HAVE PAVED PARKING.
SO WE DON'T WANT BUSSES GOING IN AND HAVING EROSION.
DON'T HAVE BATHROOMS.
THEY DON'T HAVE OTHER AMENITIES.
NOT MAINTAINED.
SO WE DON'T NEED A BUNCH OF GOING INTO THERE AND INJURING THEMSELVES THEN SUING CITY BECAUSE OF A PROBLEM.
TRYING TO TAKE ISLANDWIDE APPROACH AND NOW, WE NEED TO TAKE THE INFORMATION THAT WE GOT FROM THE TESTIMONY AND FIGURE OUT, OKAY, WHAT DO WE DO.
>> THE MAYOR'S CLEAR THAT THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL IN BILL 19 IS NOT WHAT SHOULD GO FORWARD.
WE WANT TO KEEP THE THINGS THAT SEEM TO HAVE POSITIVE SUPPORT, PEOPLE ARE WORRIED ABOUT ENFORCEMENT.
AS FAR AS CITATIONS GO, WE DO HAVE A FEDERAL GRANT AND WORKING ON RANGER PROGRAM.
>>Daryl: HOW IS THAT GOING?
>> GOT REALLY SHARP YOUNG WOMAN JUST GRADUATED WITH A MASTERS IN CRIMINAL JUSTICE.
>>Daryl: STARTED TO RECRUIT FOR IT.
HAVE YOU BEEN GETTING PEOPLE?
>> SHALL.
>> YES.
UNDER FEDERAL FUNDS TEMPORARY.
ASSESSING THE PROGRAM.
WORKING FULL‑TIME AS A MANAGER.
TWO CONTRACT RANGERS, ONE CAME FREEWAY FROM A PARK SYSTEM ON MIND AND ONE GOING THROUGH RANGER TRAINING AS WELL AS NATIONAL GUARD.
>>Daryl: COME BACK TO YOU.
I WANT TO GIVE MICHAEL WATERS FROM THE TOUR INDUSTRY.
REPRESENTING YOUR OWN COMPANY.
NOT WHOLE INDUSTRY.
I'M CURIOUS, AS TO BREAK THIS DOWN A LITTLE BIT, THIS IDEA THAT THERE ARE SOME HOURS IN THE DAY, SOME DAYS OF WEEK, WHERE IT WOULD BE BANNED, BUT THEN THERE WOULD BE OPPORTUNITIES.
HOW PRACTICAL IS THAT FROM A TOUR BUS COMPANY.
>> INDUSTRY VOLUNTEERED FOR WEEKENDS AND PUBLIC HOLIDAYS.
GOT IS IT TOO IN THE BILL.
SEVERAL COMPANIES DO THAT VOLUNTARILY IT IS NOT IN THE BILL.
I HAVE MAY HAVE OWN PERSONAL FEELINGS EARLY MORNING LATE NIGHT.
OPERATION IS DIFFERENT.
>> LIKE THE SUNRISE TO SUNSET AT THE END OF THE DAY, SHOULDN'T BE YOUR CALL.
SHOULD BE OUR CALL.
>>Daryl: LIKE SUNRISE TO SUNSET.
BAN SUNRISE TO SUNSET?
>> BASICALLY, OLD RECREATION STOP PERMIT ALLOWED TO OPERATE FROM SUNRISE TO SUNSET.
GRAND TOTAL FIVE TO SEN BUSSES VANS, TOTAL EVERYWHERE ON ISLAND FROM SUNRISE TO SUNSET.
FIVE TO TEN.
VAST MAJORITY INDUSTRY IS AT HOME BY ABOUT 6:30.
THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MENTION LIKE THAT, UNDEVELOPED PARKING, ALL PART OF OLD REC STOPS.
ONLY THING THAT NEED TO CHANGE AS FAR AS RECREATIONAL STOPS SETTING A LIMIT WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY, SHOULD NOT JUST BE POLITICIANS.
CAREER POLITICIANS.
AND THE POLITICAL CLASS THAT ARBITRARILY SETS THESE RULES THAT ARE THE NEVER GOING TO BE FOLLOW ANYWAY.
FOLKS SHOW UP WITH MONEY.
TAKES FIVE TO TEN YEARS TO ENFORCE IT, MADE THEIR MONEY.
HAVE THEIR TEAM.
SWITCH OUT REALLY QUICK.
ACTIVELY IN DISENFRANCHISES LOCAL BUSINESS OWNER WANT TO START A BUSINESS, BEEN IN THE INDUSTRY YEARS AND YEARS, KNOW THE LAWS, SITS AND ASK YOURSELVES WHY.
>>Daryl: YOU'RE HEARING FROM, BEEN IN MEETINGS ALREADY R DO YOU SEE THIS EVOLVING IN A PLACE BY PLACE BY PLACE BY PLACE KIND OF SYSTEM?
HOW ENFORCEABLE IS A PLACE BY PLACE BY PLACE SYSTEM.
>> AS I WAS MENTIONING EARLIER.
TAKE A STEP BACK AND FIGURE OUT GOOD PLACE TO START.
MAYBE PILOT IT, HANDFUL, AGAIN, DEPENDS ON THE ACTIVITY.
SAY WE'RE JUST TAKING TOUR STOPS.
PILOT IT SMALLER GROUP OF AREAS WHERE THE COMMUNITY IS ON BOARD.
THAT WAY, IF SAY THIS PARK RANGER PROGRAM GETS UP AND RUNNING, THOSE COULD BE THE AREAS THAT THEY'RE FOCUSED ON.
ENFORCING.
ENFORCEMENT IS AN ISSUE.
THAT WAS KIND OF THE CONCERN WITH THE INITIAL BILL.
AGAIN, IT'S PAUSED NOW.
WE'RE TALKING.
RULES WE HAVE NOW.
COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE CARRYING AROUND COPIES OF THE ROH TO SHOW HPD PARTICULAR RULES ON PARK.
BURDENSOME ON THE COMMUNITY.
HARD ON LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS.
FOLKS SPECIALIZED IN THIS.
CLEAR‑CUT LAWS IN THE ORDINANCE.
>> WE PUSHED THAT THEY HIRE FROM THE COMMUNITY FOR THIS RANGER PROGRAM.
WE'RE THE PEOPLE THAT UNDERSTAND THE AREAS.
WE KNOW WHAT IS PONO AND WHAT IS NOT PONO.
NOW, WE'RE HEARING THAT'S GOING TO BE THESE PEOPLE WITH DEGREES.
I UNDERSTAND.
BUT THEY NEED TO HAVE SOME KIND OF CULTURAL TRAINING FROM THE CULTURAL PEOPLE.
IN THE COMMUNITY.
NOT JUST ANYONE.
>>Daryl: WHAT IS THE ROLE OF THE COMMUNITY NOW AS FAR AS ENFORCING THIS?
WHAT DO YOU FOLKS DO OR WHAT ARE THE FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY DO.
>> WE HAVE PEOPLE LIKE MIA LISA, TENDS TO HER GARDEN AT HUNANANIHO.
WHILE SHE'S THERE, HAS HER EYES OPEN.
THINGS HAPPEN ALMOST EVERY DAY.
AND WHICH HAVE A CHAT SET UP THROUGH NEIGHBORHOOD COMMITTEE.
I CHAIR THE PARKS & RECREATION COMMITTEE AND HAWAIIAN AFFAIRS AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMITTEE.
BECAUSE WE HAVE THE CHAT, ABLE TO RECEIVE ALL OF THIS INFORMATION REPORTS CONSTANTLY MAKING REPORTS ON THE 3:11 A.M. FOR THE CITY.
WHICH IS GREAT TO HAVE.
BUT IT DOESN'T ALWAYS GET A TENSION.
AND SO THEY HAVE DONE A BETTER JOB RECENTLY.
WE APPRECIATE THAT.
AS WELL AS DLNR.
HAVE AN APP NOW.
SAME THING.
MAKE A REPORT.
DOESN'T ALWAYS GET ATTENTION.
IT'S MUCH BETTER IF A COMMUNITY MEMBER, IF I CAN JUST CALL SOMEONE AND SAY, HEY, CAN YOU FOCUS ON THIS.
IF I HAVE TO MAKE A REPORT ON AN APP NEVER GETS SEEN TILL NEXT WEEK DOESN'T GET ENFORCED.
>>Daryl: END UP WITH THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY CONFRONTING COMPANY.
>> RARELY.
BUT IS THERE TIMES AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBER.
AS MUCH AS IT'S BECAUSE OF THE RUDENESS OF THE LAW BREAKERS.
>> VOUCH FOR THAT.
HUNANANIO.
EXCEPTION IS KUALO'O.
AND PUPUKEA.
DIFFERENT CLIENTELE.
THEY FEEL ENTITLED TO TREAT PEOPLE HOWEVER THEY WANT TO BE TREATED.
VIDEO ON MY KAILUA ABOUT A WEEK AGO WITH PETA CURSING OUT A DRIVER OPERATING LEGALLY WITH THEIR PERMITS IN A BUS STOP.
>> LEGALLY.
CITY BUS STOP PERMIT THAT YOU CAN LOAD AND UNLOAD ANYWHERE EXCEPTION FOR WAIKIKI.
INCLUDING IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN KA'OHAO AND AULALA.
FIND OUT WHERE THAT IS.
>>Daryl: IS THIS A PROBLEM THAT WHEN PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITIES START CONFRONTING OPERATORS?
>> HUNANAHIO HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO PROTECT THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE TO PROTECT THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, SAYS PRETTY MUCH ALL THAT YOU GOT TO SAY.
I'VE HAD EXPERIENCE.
AN EXPERIENCE, YEAH, MAYBE I WASN'T TREATED LIKE A ROCKSTAR.
WHICH WAS TOTALLY FAIR IN THAT SITUATION.
HOWEVER, THAT DOESN'T MEAN AGAIN, THAT KAILUA PUPUKEA SITUATION IS NOT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
WAS APPROACHED BY SOMEBODY WHO LIVED THERE, KNEW THE BEACH, KNEW WHAT WAS UNDER THE SAND.
>> WE HAVE CALLED HPD.
GET NO RESPONSE.
WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT THERE FOR HOURS.
GET THERE, THEY SAY, WE CAN'T HELP YOU.
EVEN HAD COMMUNITY HPD'S SAY TO COMMUNITY, TOURISTS COME FIRST.
TOURISTS COME NUMBER ONE BEFORE YOU GUYS.
>>Daryl: LET ME, ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT ARE COMING IN, GETTING A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT SUGGESTIONS OF IDEAS HERE.
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.
>> COMMUNITIES REALLY CHARMAINE.
IF YOU LET US, REALLY SHARP.
WE'LL DO AN EXCELLENT JOB.
>>Daryl: QUESTION TO LAURA THIELEN.
FROM MIA LISA FROM WAIMANALO.
CAN THE CITY ADD MORE SIGNAGE FROM ABOUT THE LAWS.
BUSINESSES CLAIM THEY DON'T KNOW AND HELP BACK UP HPD ENFORCEMENT.
EDUCATION IS HUGELY IMPORTANT HERE.
HOW MUCH MORE COULD YOU DO WITH THE EXISTING SCHEME HELP PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THE RULES ARE OUT THERE?
>> I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS DLNR, WE HAD A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE APPROACHING MONK SEALS AND EVERYONE KEPT SAYING EDUCATION.
SIGNAGE.
EDUCATION.
AND ONE OF THE MONK SEAL PROTECTOR SENT ME A PICTURE.
IT WAS LIKE FIVE GUYS UNDER A BIG SIGN SAYING DO NOT APPROACH MONK SEALS.
FEDERAL PROTECTION.
THERE'S A MONK SEAL ASLEEP.
ALL FIVE ARE LIKE, THIS.
IN THE PICTURE.
RIGHT UNDER THE SIGN.
YOU KNOW, I THINK A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE KNOW FULL WELL WHAT THE LAW IS.
ENFORCEMENT GOING TO BE AN ISSUE FOR THE PLACE WAS BANS NOW.
AS YOU'RE HEARING.
ENFORCEMENT GOING TO BE AN ISSUE WHATEVER WE DO WITH THE REST OF THE ISLAND.
I THINK COMING BACK, IT'S NOT FAIR TO SAY TO THE COMMUNITIES AROUND THE 51 BEACH PARKS AND THE 80 ODD BEACH RIGHTS OF WAY NOW, YOU GET NOTHING.
THESE 16 GET A BAN.
I THINK WHAT WE WANT TO DO BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN WHERE THERE'S BANS BEFORE, PUSHES ACTIVITY INTO OTHER COMMUNITIES, LET'S GET AHEAD OF THAT.
WE HAD A BIT OF A BREAK.
DURING COVID.
FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN DO THAT'S FAIR GIVES SOME LEVEL OF PROTECTION.
TRY TO DO THE ENFORCEMENT IN A SMARTER WAY.
THAT CAN BE MORE EFFECTIVE WE'VE SEEN IN WORKS IF OTHER AREAS.
SEE IF THAT IMPROVES THINGS.
SO WE'RE NOT JUST KICKING THE PROBLEM INTO ANOTHER COMMUNITY.
AND THEN HAVING TO DEAL WITH IT AFTER IT'S GOTTEN TO BE A FULL‑FLEDGED HUGE ISSUE.
>>Daryl: THERE'S A QUESTION HERE FROM DAN IN MAKIKI.
KIND OF GETS TO THIS A LITTLE BIT.
I UNDERSTAND LOCAL IS NOT WANTING NEIGHBORHOODS FLOODED WITH TOURISTS.
WHAT ABOUT RESIDENTS WORK IN TOURISM.
HOW DO THEY MAKE A LIVING?
HOW MUCH OF WHAT THE CITY IS TRYING TO DO IS TO PROVIDE THESE EXPERIENCES FOR TOURISTS WITHOUT MAKING IT SO AS KAPUA SUGGESTING.
KO OLINA, WAIKIKI, OR KAHALA.
>> MICHAEL WATERS MAKES A LIVING.
DOING WELL.
>> I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD SAY WELL.
>> NOT LIKE BIG BUSINESSES THAT'S BRINGS IN MILLIONS.
HE'S DOING OKAY.
HE'S NOT STARVING AND HE'S FOLLOWING THE LAW.
SO CAN BE DONE.
AGAIN, I'M NOT DOING THAT BECAUSE IT MAKES SENSE.
I'M DOING IT OUT OF RESPECT FOR YOU AND SO I CAN COME IN HERE AND I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT SOMEBODY KNOCKING ON MY DOOR LATER ON THERE EVENING OR TOMORROW.
AND ALSO, BECAUSE PEOPLE WHO TRAIN ME HOW TO DO THIS TOOK IT'S TIME TO MAKE SURE I KNEW LAWS.
OUT OF RESPECT FOR THEM.
>> THAT'S NOT THE POINT.
TOURISM INDUSTRY CAN SURVIVE WITHOUT HAVING TO SET UP BUSINESSES IN PUBLIC BEACH PARK.
>> BECAUSE I CAN SURVIVE.
WHILE I WATCH 100 PLUS ILLEGAL BUSSES THAT IS NOT FAIR.
THAT IS NOT VALID POINT.
THE POINT IS.
>> HAVE ROOF OVER MY HEAD AND FOOD IN MY STOMACH.
THAT IS NOT A VALID POINT.
I DO NOT DISAGREE THAT WE DO NEED AN ISLANDWIDE SOLUTION.
I'VE BEEN SAYING IT IN THE CITY COUNCIL SINCE 2018.
HOWEVER, HE ANSWERED THE QUESTION.
I WILL ASK YOU.
AGAIN, DO YOU THINK THAT STARTING BY RIPPING OUT ALL OF THE COMMUNITY RESTRICTIONS AND ARBITRARY NUMBERS WHEN YOU HAVE FOLKS MORE THAN WILLING SIT DOWN AND WORK TOGETHER KNOWING THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET EVERYTHING THAT THEY WANT.
DO YOU THINK THAT WAS THE BEST PLACE TO START?
WHICH WILL START THE CONVERSATION.
OTHER THING.
>> THAT'S A NO.
>> OTHER THING WE DISCUSSED IS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ENFORCEABILITY, YOU RAISED EARLIER, DARYL, IF YOU HAVE DIFFERENT LAWS IN DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES IT MAKES ENFORCEMENTS REALLY DIFFICULT.
ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE EXISTING LEGISLATION IS THE NOT CONSISTENTLY.
THAT BEEN THROWN BACK AT THE COMMUNITIES.
DIFFICULT FOR THE POLICE TO HE ENFORCE EVEN IF WE CHANGE IT TO CITATIONS WITH RANGERS.
GOING TO BE A PROBLEM.
WE DIDN'T HAVE THE ANSWER BUT WE HAD TO START THE CONVERSATION.
BILL 19 WAS A VEHICLE TO START THE CONVERSATION.
>>Daryl: MOVE TO SOME OF OUR QUESTIONS.
THESE BOTH HAVE RELATIONSHIP.
THIS IS FROM CHERYL IN KAILUA.
SARAH IN HALEIWA.
SECOND ONE.
LAURA THIELEN TOUR BUSSES WERE ENCOURAGE TO COME TO KAILUA BACK IN THE DAY.
WHO WAS ENCOURAGING THIS?
WHY?
WE ANSWERED THAT QUESTION.
ESSENTIALLY ENCOURAGED BUSINESS COMMUNITY IN KAILUA TO BRING IN MORE PEOPLE.
AND EVEN IF YOU TRIED TO MANAGE ACCESS TO BEACHES AND PARKS, PUBLIC AND IN TOO MANY TOURISTS COMING INTO OUR ISLAND IS RESULT LOCALS CANNOT EVEN ENJOY OUR OWN BEACHES AND PARKS.
TOURISTS CAN RENT A CAR.
>> WE'RE FINE WITH THAT.
>> THAT'S OKAY?
>> YEAH.
WE'RE FINE WITH THAT.
WE'RE TALKING BIG BUSINESS.
BIG BUSSES COME IN, CHOKE PEOPLE.
TAKE OVER THE AREA.
TOLD OUR KIDS TO GET OUT OF THE WAY SO THEY CAN HAVE THEIR AREA.
BUILDING PEOPLE THAT COME IN WITH ALL OF THESE BIG FOAM FLOWER THINGS.
AND THEY LEAVE IT ON THE BEACH AND LEAVE.
SITS THERE UNTIL WE COME AND CLEAN IT UP.
WE'VE HAD PHOTOGRAPHERS COME IN AND SAY, THREE WEDDINGS HAPPENING SIMULTANEOUSLY.
PICNICKERS, LOCAL RESIDENTS, TO GET OUT OF THEIR WAY MAKE ROOM FOR THE WEDDINGS.
>>Daryl: BECAUSE WHAT STRUCK ME IS THAT WHEN I GO TO THE BEACH, AT A PEAK TIME, HALF THE CARS IN THE PARKING LOT ARE RENTAL CAR.
LOTS OF TOURISTS ON THE BEACH.
FOR ME I WOULD RATHER BE ABLE TO PARK MY CAR WALK TO THE BEACH WITH MY FAMILY NOT BE INUNDATED.
COMPANY LIKE MICHAEL WATERS YOU TAKE A GROUP OF TOURISTS, WHO HAVE NOT RENTED 7 RENT A CARS.
WONDERING AM I WRONG TO ASSUME,.
>> MY SITUATION IS SLIGHTLY UNIQUE.
AS LOOKS LIKE DIRECTION THAT IS GOING.
I ONLY DO ONE FAMILY AT A TIME.
SO AT THE MAXIMUM TAKE OFF TWO RENT A CARS.
REMOTE OR COACH MAXIMUM, TAKE OUT 30.
RENTAL CARS.
HOWEVER, I'M NOT SAYING THAT REMOTE OR COACHES SHOULD GO TO EVERY BEACH PARK ON THE ISLAND.
WHAT I AM SAYING WE SHOULD BE REASONABLE.
LET ME PARAPHRASE THAT.
REASONABLE ALSO MEANS THAT NEEDS COME BEFORE WANTS.
SO YEAH, I WANT TO GO TO WAIMANALO.
BUT SHE NEEDS TO HAVE HER COMMUNITY PROTECT AND I RESPECT THAT.
I HAVEN'T BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME.
KIND OF LOST TRACK.
WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION?
RENTAL CARS.
REMOTE OR COACHES MINI BUS.
YOU KNOW LESS ABOUT THAT THAN I DO.
THERE'S NO REASON WHY YOU SHOULD BE WRITING A LAW BY YOURSELF IN SOME SILO.
WE HAVE ONE MINUTE TO SPEAK.
FOLKS DRIVING FROM KOKO LIO, SHOULD BE US, COMMUNITY AND BUSINESSES IN ONE ROOM WITH D.O.T.
AND PUC.
NOBODY EVERY ASKED ABOUT LIFEGUARD.
ANY OF THAT STUFF.
REASON WHY THESE LAWS ARE SO HARD TO ENFORCE IS BECAUSE THEY'RE DONE BY FOLKS HAVE IN NEVER DONE ANYTHING RELATING.
>>Daryl: GIVE MATT A CHANCE.
SIT BEING QUIETLY THROUGH A LOT OF THIS.
WHAT IS YOUR FEELINGS ABOUT THIS AREA OF ENFORCEMENT, THREE THINGS GOING ON HERE.
ONE IS ENFORCEMENT.
TWO IS WHICH KIND OF BUSINESSES ARE THE PROBLEM.
AND NUMBER 3, SEEMS TO BE GETTING QUESTIONS LIKE THIS, IS IT IT'S NOT PROBLEM OF IN MY BACKYARD, IT'S OVERCROWDEDNESS.
IT'S NOT A TOURISTS FAULT.
IS IT OVERCROWDEDNESS?
CERTAIN BUSINESSES?
AND IS IT ENFORCEMENT?
WHERE ARE YOU ON THIS.
>> I THINK EVERYONE BRINGING UP GOOD POINTS.
I DO THINK IT STARTS WITH THE COMMUNITY.
IF WE JUST COME BACK TO THE MOST RECENT ONE, KOKO LIO, COMMUNITY DRIVEN.
IN TERMS OF COUNCILMEMBER TSUNEYOSHI INTRODUCED THE BILL.
REALLY THE COMMUNITY THAT PUSHED IT THROUGH.
GROUP OF I THINK DOZEN OR SO WOMEN CALL THEMSELVES MERMAIDS AT KUPUNA.
CAME TO THE COUNCIL AND WERE SO RESPECTFUL AND SAYING, WE'RE NOT SAYING NO TOURISM.
EVER.
LIKE WE'RE OKAY SHARING.
BUT THIS ISN'T WORKING.
WE'RE BEING INUNDATED.
THIS IS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD PARK.
IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
SERVING OUR COMMUNITY.
IT'S A NATURAL RESOURCE THAT HAS TO BE PROTECTED.
AND SO I THINK FOLKS THAT DON'T AREN'T AT THE BEACH PARK ALL THE TIME, OR ONES THAT ARE INUNDATED WITH TOURISTS HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT FOLKS ARE COMING OUT BASED ON WHAT THEY'RE SEEING AND EXPERIENCE.
LOOKING AT WHAT ARE THEY SEEING AND EXPERIENCING?
I THINK MOST FOLKS AT LEAST ON NORTH SHORE, WILL SAY, LESS CARS ARE GOOD.
LESS TRAFFIC IS GOOD.
NOT EITHER/OR.
NOT LET'S GET RID OF CARS.
AND THEN BRING HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE A DAY TO PARTICULAR PARK.
TOUR VAN.
I THINK WE NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT WHAT DOES MANAGED ACCESS LOOK LIKE NOT ONES HAVE REGULATIONS DO A PILOT, FIND SOME SPACES TO START TO SAY, OKAY, THESE ARE PLACES YOU CAN HAVE, WHAT IS MANAGED ACCESS LOOK LIKE THERE?
>>Daryl: LET ME IT ASK DIRECTOR THIELEN.
ANOTHER QUESTION.
BLAKE FROM OAHU.
HAS LAURA THIELEN OR WEYER MAUI RESIDENTS PARK FOR FREE BUT TOURISTS ARE CHARGED.
WOULD THAT WORK ON OAHU?
>> YES.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS OF THE WORKS AS WELL?
>> YOU KNOW, WITH THERE'S CERTAIN AREAS WHERE WE CAN MANAGE ENTRY.
IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT SAY ALA MOANA BEACH PARK, YOU HAVE TWO ENTRANCES OF.
BUSY ROAD THAT YOU'RE COMING IN OFF OF.
WHERE DO YOU PUT A PLACE TO STOP PEOPLE TO DETERMINE WHETHER THEY'RE RESIDENTS OR WHETHER THEY'RE TOURISTS.
AND HOW WOULD YOU SET THAT UP.
SO THERE'S CERTAIN AREAS WHERE IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO DO A CHARGE.
AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT MAYBE TAKING THE BUS TO THE PARK.
WALKING TO THE PARK.
AND IT WOULD BE HARD TO TELL ONE FROM ANOTHER.
SO IN THE PLACES WHERE YOU CAN, IT'S FEASIBLE.
PLACES WHERE YOU CAN'T, MORE POROUS, IT MAY BE DIFFICULT.
>>Daryl: ANOTHER QUESTION.
SHOULDN'T ENFORCEMENT BE DONE BY DLNR RATHER THAN POLICE?
I UNDERSTAND DLNR HAS JURISDICTION OVER THE STATE BEACHES AND SHORELINES AND SO ON.
I MEAN, SOME SORT OF UNIFIED WORK TOGETHER SYSTEM.
>> THEY HAVE A LOT LESS STAFF AS WELL.
THERE'S ONLY ONE GUY FOR LIKE A HUGE DISTRICT.
IF WE WAIT FOR HIM TO COME, WE'RE GOING TO WAIT TILL NEXT YEAR.
>>Daryl: DLNR BEEFING UP NOW.
CONSERVATION.
>> SHOULD BE DONE BY OVER A POT OF COFFEE FROM AN OFFICE ONLINE.
YOU CAN TELL BREAKING LAW BY LOOK AT WEBSITE.
SUPER, EASY.
NO REASON WHY PUC ARE NOT REQUIRED TO BE ON YOUR WEBSITE.
THERE'S NO REASON WHY D.O.T.
NUMBERS IS NOT REQUIRED TO BE ON YOUR WEBSITE.
THERE NO REASON WHY RECREATION ABLE PERMIT NOT REQUIRED TO BE ON WEBSITE.
ADJUSTMENT TO MAKE.
GET YOU A MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF FINES BEFORE YOU FINISH THIS CUP OF COFFEE IF YOU LET ME TURN ON MY PHONE.
>> AGREE WITH HIM.
WHAT AWAY WANT TO CHANGE.
>> SAID TO ME BEFORE.
>> I DISAGREE WITH YOU ON MANY THINGS.
I AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS THING.
WE DEFINITELY WANT TO GET, I THINK PART OF THE ENFORCEMENT IS TAKING A PAGE OUT OUT OF WHAT WAS DONE NO VACATION RENTALS.
MAKE ADVERTISING OF THE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY ILLEGAL.
BECAUSE THE COMMERCIAL SPEECH IS NOT PROTECTED SPEECH.
AND THEN MAKE REQUIREMENTS FOR THINGS LIKE HAVING THOSE REGISTRATIONS ON A WEBSITE.
>>Daryl: BIG DIFFERENCE.
COMPANY THAT IS OPERATING VANS.
THEY'RE MOBILE.
MOVING AROUND.
EVEN IF YOU GOT, WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO WRITE A LAW THAT ISN'T YOU CAN'T EVEN ADVERTISE UNLESS HAVE YOU THESE NUMBERS.
>> STARTING TO STOP AT A PARK.
I THINK IS WHAT HE'S SAYING.
>> I'M SAYING FOR ALL IT.
CAN YOU ADVERTISE ILLEGAL ACTIVITY?
IS THAT OKAY?
>> CAN YOU PUT ON YOUR WEBSITE JOIN US FOR A BEACH STOP AT HUNANANIO ALREADY ILLEGAL.
GO ON THE STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN WHEN IT'S ALREADY ILLEGAL?
THAT IS THE KIND OF STUFF THAT NEEDS TO BE REGULATED.
CAN YOU SAY, COME TO THIS HUGE EVENT AT HUNANANIHO WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE KEGS OF BEER, HAVE DRUGS, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE DRINKING, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE WAY MORE PEOPLE THAN IS ALLOWED FOR ONE PERMIT.
>>Daryl: WHAT MATT WEYER YOU'RE THE ATTORNEY.
CAN YOU DO THAT KIND OF REGULATION ESSENTIALLY OF FREE BUSINESS SPEECH?
I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU FOLKS WOULD CONSIDER?
MAKING THAT ILLEGAL AND THEN PENALIZING FOR THE ADVERTISING?
>> I MEAN, YOU CAN DEFINITELY REGULATE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY.
WE DO THAT EVERY DAY.
>>Daryl: I MEAN, COMMERCIAL SPEECH.
WEBSITES.
WHAT THEY'RE PUTTING ON THE WEBSITES.
IN THE CASE OF VACATION RENTALS, YOU COULD IDENTIFY A LOCATION BASED ON WHAT YOU FOUND ON WEBSITE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD ENFORCE ON A COMPANY THAT HAS ADVERTISING.
>> ITINERARY LISTED ON WEBSITE MOST TIME.
>> CAN PULL UP YOU A WEBSITE.
NOT GOING TO GET PEOPLE IN TROUBLE.
PULL YOU UP A WEBSITE, LOOK THROUGH.
GOOD IDEA.
>>Daryl: HEAD IT OFF.
>> EASY.
>>Daryl: IS THAT PART OF THE SCHEME?
>> WE WILL SOME THINGS IN THE BILL.
WORKING WITH CORPORATION COUNSEL TO SEE IF WE CAN ADD MORE IN.
DRIVING INTO A PARK WITH ADVERTISEMENT ON YOUR VEHICLE FOR ILLEGAL ACTIVITY, WOULD BE A CITATION.
SUBJECT TO FINES.
ADVERTISINGS FOR THE STOP IN THERE, IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT.
CAN WE ADD THAT IN.
SIMILAR TO THE WAY THEY DO WITH THE VACATION RENTALS.
IF YOU'RE ADVERTISING VACATION RENTAL, OF AREA WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE A PERMIT FOR ONE, THAT ADVERTISEMENT IS UNPROTECTED SPEECH.
AND IT'S ADVERTISING ILLEGAL ACTIVITY.
>> WE'VE HAD EVER SINCE WE PASSED BILL 38.
>> >>Daryl: THAT'S THE BAN ON.
>> BAN ON ALL COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY ON ALL SHORES IN WAIMANALO.
RIGHT AFTER THAT, WE STARTED TO SEE THESE VANS UNMARKED VANS COMING INTO BEACH NEIGHBORHOODS, BEACHFRONT COMMUNITIES NOT GOING TO THE PARKS BUT COMING INTO THAT THESE COMMUNITIES WITH LITTLE PARKING.
PARKING THEIR UNMARKED VANS.
LETTING OUT ALL OF THEIR TOURISTS.
TO GO ON TO THE BEACH.
IF NOT, TOURISTS, CUSTOMER.
FOR THEIR LESSONS OR WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING.
AND POSING AS WE'RE JUST HAVING A PARTY.
GATHERING.
>>Daryl: WE'VE GOT ABOUT FIVE MORE MINUTES.
I WANT TO TRY AND FIND WHERE THERE IS COMMON GROUND HERE.
MATT WEYER, WHAT DO YOU SEE AS COMMON GROUND IN THIS CONVERSATION AND WHAT IS GOING ON IN THESE MEETINGS IN TERMS OF WHAT SHOULD THE PRIORITY AND PROCESS BE GOING FORWARD.
>>Daryl: >> SO I'M STARTING WITH ONE.
DOING PROTECTIONS ALREADY EXIST AT THE 16 PARKS.
THEN FROM THERE, IDENTIFY.
>>Daryl: GOT THREE PEOPLE HERE.
WHO AGREE ABOUT THAT.
RIGHT?
>> I DO HAVE ONE CAVEAT.
THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS I DON'T ADVERTISE AT ALL.
WORLD SURF LEAGUE AND HOLLYWOOD DOES THAT FOR ME.
THEY CAN STILL GO TO PIPELINE SUNSET.
I'M NOT TELLING YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO BRING MOTOR COACHES OR PIPELINE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
REPORT THE LAW ON THE NORTH SHORE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN SPECIFIC BEACH IS ALII.
I SAID ON THE RECORD, IN 2018, THAT ALII SHOULD BE PA'U.
>>Daryl: STOP FOR A SECOND.
I'M TRYING TO ORGANIZE THIS CONVERSATION OVER THE NEXT.
>> THAT'S MY ONLY CAVEAT.
OTHERWISE YES.
>>Daryl: YOU DON'T NECESSARILY DISAGREE WITH THAT BUT YOU WANT TO SEE MUCH COMPREHENSIVE LOOK AT WHOLE ISLAND WITH CONVERSATIONS ABOUT SPECIFIC PLACES.
>> NO.
HE SAID.
INDIVIDUAL CONVERSATION.
I THINK WE'RE AT THE POINT IN HEARING TESTIMONY, THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE 16 COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE THE EXISTING LAWS DON'T WANT THAT TOUCHED.
I THINK WE SHOULDN'T AT THIS POINT.
CHANGE THAT.
SO WE'VE BEEN IN DISCUSSION, MAYORS AS I SAID, LISTENING TO THE TESTIMONY.
AND LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY.
HOW CAN WE MAKE SURE WE'RE PROTECTING AND MANAGING THE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES IN OTHER COMMUNITIES SO THEY DON'T HAVE THINGS HOISTED ON TO THEM OR MOVING INTO THEM.
AND GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S JUST COMPLETELY UNTENABLE AND UNACCEPTABLE.
>>Daryl: SUMMARIZES WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
GOES RIGHT TO THE PREMISE OF THIS SHOW ORIGINALLY.
CONFLICT DESCRIBED BETWEEN THE COMMUNITIES THAT HAD BANS, WHO WERE AFRAID OF LOSING THOSE BANS BECAUSE OF THE PROPOSAL FROM THE MAYOR, NOW YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE NO LONGER AT LOOKING AT TAKE AWAY THOSE BANS BUT FIGURE OUT A GOOD SCHEME FOR THE REST OF THE ISLAND.
>> CORRECT.
>>Daryl: OKAY.
GOOD NIGHT.
>> FAST.
I HAVE 48 PAGES OF BILL HERE.
NOT ONE THING BILL LEGAL OPERATIONS ON PERMITTED LAND.
>>Daryl: OTHER THING.
ILLEGAL OPERATIONS IS A HUGE PROBLEM AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT GOING ON THE WEB.
IDENTIFYING THEM.
TALKED ABOUT RANGERS.
AMOUNT OF RESOURCE THAT NEEDS TO BE PUT INTO THIS IS CONSIDERABLE.
WHAT IS THE CITY PREPARED TO DO?
RANGER THING SOUNDS AWESOME.
SOUNDS LIKE YOU NEED SCORES OF PEOPLE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN FAIRLY PUT THIS BURDEN ON POLICE.
>> NO.
I DON'T THINK YOU CAN.
I DON'T THINK YOU NEED FULL LAW ENFORCEMENT POWERS TO BE ABLE TO ENFORCE THIS.
ENDS IF WE TURN IT TO CITATIONS.
BECAUSE THAT'S A CIVIL MATTER.
NOT A CRIMINAL MATTER.
COUNCIL ADD FOR THE RANGER ASSESSMENT WAS FIVE POSITION.
NOT GOING TO BE ENOUGH TO GO TO ALL OF, 305 PARKS ALL TOTAL.
SO WE ARE WORKING WITH THE PUC.
WORKING WITH STATE TAX OFFICE.
WORKING WITH DLNR FIGURE OUT HOW TO EFFICIENT.
DON'T WANT TO DUPLICATE ENFORCEMENT POWERS ELSEWHERE.
PUC, DRIVING AROUND WITHOUT A PUC LICENSE, PUC HAS THE ABILITY TO FINE THEM.
IF WE SEE THAT, THE OTHER DAY, GOT INFORMATION TO THE PUC, AND WE'RE ABLE TO DOCUMENT WITH THAT.
>>Daryl: HOW OFTEN DOES THE PUC DO ANYTHING.
>> THEY DO HAVE ENFORCEMENTS POWER.
WHEN I WORKED WITH FORMER CHAIR WHEN I WAS IN THE LEGISLATURE, NOTIFIED TRUCKERS BILL ABOUT LEGAL DUMPING.
IF YOU'RE VIOLATING A LAW, THEY CAN FINE YOU.
>>Daryl: THROW THIS OUT.
IF YOU'RE ONLY ENFORCING ON LICENSED GUY IS NOT ENFORCING ON THE UNLICENSED GUYS.
>> EXACTLY.
ENFORCE AGAINST UNLICENSED.
MOTOR VEHICLE, IF YOU'RE CARRYING PASSENGERS AND YOU DO NOT HAVE A PUC LICENSE, YOU ARE SUBJECT THOUSAND OF DOLLARS POTENTIAL FINES.
>>Daryl: PUC?
>> DO YOU KNOW HOW THEY HAVE TO PROVE THAT?
HOW THAT PROCESS ACTUALLY HAPPENS TO WHERE THEY GET THE FINE?
>>Daryl: WE ARE DONE.
>> MAHALO TO YOU FOR JOINING US TONIGHT, AND WE THANK OUR GUESTS, HONOLULU CITY PARKS DIRECTOR LAURA THIELEN AND WAIMANALO NEIGHBORHOOD BOARDMEMBER KAPUA MEDEIROS.
HONOLULU CITY COUNCILMEMBER MATT WEYER AND MARIE TURNER FROM BLUE HAWAII PHOTO TOURS.
NEXT WEEK ON INSIGHTS, WITH OAHU’S WAIMANALO GULCH LANDFILL SET TO CLOSE IN JUST FIVE YEARS, THE CITY NEEDS TO FIND A NEW SITE, BUT WITH VARIOUS STATE AND FEDERAL REGULATIONS TO NAVIGATE, PICKING A LOCATION IS A DIFFICULT TASK THAT’S BEEN CONTINUOUSLY DELAYED.
WILL IT END UP IN YOUR BACKYARD?
PLEASE JOIN US THEN.
I’M DARYL HUFF FOR INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAI`I.
ALOHA!