WEBVTT 00:02.266 --> 00:03.633 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - We look back at the race 00:03.633 --> 00:05.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% for Indiana's open governor's seat ahead 00:05.866 --> 00:07.566 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% of next year's elections. 00:07.566 --> 00:10.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% A big Republican field, the presumptive Democrat, 00:10.433 --> 00:14.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and the issues coming to the fore On this special episode 00:14.233 --> 00:15.600 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% Indiana Week in Review 00:16.866 --> 00:17.900 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - Indiana Week in Review 00:17.900 --> 00:18.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% is made possible by the supporters 00:20.333 --> 00:22.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% of Indiana public broadcasting stations 00:24.000 --> 00:25.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - From the week ending July 14th. 00:27.633 --> 00:30.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Former Indiana Attorney General Curtis Hill, 00:30.133 --> 00:33.266 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% whose law license was temporarily suspended while in office 00:33.266 --> 00:35.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% when the state Supreme Court ruled he criminally battered 00:35.600 --> 00:38.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% for women, is running for Governor, Hill 00:38.833 --> 00:41.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% joins a crowded Republican primary for the open seat. 00:43.566 --> 00:46.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Hill had been seen as a rising Republican star 00:46.100 --> 00:48.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% before allegations that he groped four women, 00:48.400 --> 00:52.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% including a state lawmaker at a late night party in 2018. 00:52.233 --> 00:53.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Despite facing calls to resign 00:53.900 --> 00:56.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and having his law license suspended for a month, 00:56.500 --> 00:58.033 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% Hill remained in office 00:58.033 --> 01:00.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% before losing reelection at the state Republican Party 01:00.300 --> 01:01.766 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% convention to current Ag. 01:01.766 --> 01:04.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Todd Rokita. Hill also lost a bid 01:04.366 --> 01:07.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% for Congress last year in a private Republican caucus 01:07.266 --> 01:09.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to replace the late Jackie Walorski. 01:09.600 --> 01:11.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% In a statement, Hill says he's running for governor 01:11.766 --> 01:14.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% because people want a proven conservative leader 01:14.366 --> 01:17.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% who is not beholden to Washington DC 01:17.566 --> 01:19.733 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% or special interest groups. 01:19.733 --> 01:22.933 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% US Senator Mike Braun, Lieutenant Governor Suzanne Crouch 01:22.933 --> 01:25.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and Fort Wayne businessman Eric Doden are 01:25.100 --> 01:26.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% among the other announced Republican 01:26.700 --> 01:28.333 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% candidates. Mike O'Brien. 01:28.333 --> 01:30.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% We often, especially in a crowded primary, 01:30.266 --> 01:33.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% we talk about what's the lane, what's the lane to succeed? 01:33.266 --> 01:35.366 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% What is Curtis Hill's Lane here? 01:35.366 --> 01:38.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Well, I think the presumptive right now lane is 01:39.066 --> 01:40.666 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% the religious right base, right. 01:40.666 --> 01:42.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% That was, that went to bat for him at the convention that 01:42.800 --> 01:45.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that tried, that tried to defend him when all the 01:45.133 --> 01:46.700 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% allegations were, were flying 01:46.700 --> 01:48.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and either dismissed them as not that big of a deal 01:48.366 --> 01:49.666 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% or, you know, kind of said 01:49.666 --> 01:50.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% what he said that it never happened. 01:52.166 --> 01:55.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% The question's gonna be in, in, in a fi in a four 01:55.233 --> 01:57.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% or five way race, though with a lot of money in it. 01:58.833 --> 02:00.966 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% You don't need 51% of the vote 02:00.966 --> 02:03.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to get the nomination, you need like 30. 02:03.100 --> 02:04.366 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% Right. And so and 02:04.366 --> 02:05.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - So, and maybe not even that honestly. 02:05.833 --> 02:08.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Yeah, yeah. In a, in a with four serious candidates. 02:08.433 --> 02:09.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Yeah. Right. With, yeah. With without any serious 02:09.900 --> 02:12.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% candidates spread across, you know, all of that. 02:12.566 --> 02:14.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And, and with, so the question's gonna be 02:14.333 --> 02:15.533 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% for that part of the base. 02:16.833 --> 02:18.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Do they still have gas in the tank 02:18.066 --> 02:19.533 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% to keep defending this guy? 02:19.533 --> 02:21.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And do they, are they still kinda holding onto that 02:21.233 --> 02:24.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and there's enough energy behind that to rally around him 02:25.700 --> 02:26.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% if they don't see another option, 02:26.966 --> 02:28.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% which isn't, may not be true either. 02:28.533 --> 02:32.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% You, you may go see another option in a Mike Braun, 02:32.133 --> 02:34.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% you know, Doden, maybe Chambers comes in. 02:34.566 --> 02:37.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Brad Chambers had IEDC, maybe he comes in, those guys kind 02:37.700 --> 02:39.033 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% of fill a business role and Mike 02:39.033 --> 02:40.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Braun's certainly essential to that. 02:41.633 --> 02:44.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% But he's also, you know, pretty far right on the, you know, 02:44.733 --> 02:46.200 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% as far as the base is concerned. 02:46.200 --> 02:48.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So if that part of the base doesn't see another alternative, 02:48.866 --> 02:51.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% then they could rally around Curtis Hill. 02:51.200 --> 02:53.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I don't see that delivering the election for him, 02:53.833 --> 02:56.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% but that's the best, that's the best shot he's got 02:56.666 --> 02:59.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - In, in, in terms of thinking about Curtis Hill's Lane. 02:59.066 --> 03:01.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I, I agree that it, it does feel like the far right 03:01.833 --> 03:04.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% of the party, which is a significant part 03:04.133 --> 03:07.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% of the party in this state, didn't have an 03:07.200 --> 03:08.466 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% obvious candidate yet. 03:08.466 --> 03:10.066 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Maybe Mike Braun, not really. 03:10.066 --> 03:13.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Eric Doden, Suzanne Crouch has certainly tried to lean 03:13.066 --> 03:15.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that way in her social media campaign. 03:15.133 --> 03:18.100 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Right. But that's relatively new 03:18.100 --> 03:19.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and I don't know that she has the roots in 03:19.466 --> 03:20.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that community the way Curtis Hill does. 03:20.800 --> 03:22.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Right. But at the same, and, and, 03:22.366 --> 03:23.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and I think it was interesting 03:23.900 --> 03:25.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and the statement I got from the Hill campaign on Monday 03:25.633 --> 03:27.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% when he announced he used the words "Washington 03:27.800 --> 03:29.600 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% DC" I think three times. 03:29.600 --> 03:32.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So is it Mike Braun that he's clearly going after right now? 03:33.833 --> 03:35.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Possibly. I mean, I, I have to say, 03:35.800 --> 03:38.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% my comments on Curtis Hill are gonna be pretty brief 03:38.133 --> 03:39.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% 'cause I have Curtis Hill fatigue, 03:39.533 --> 03:42.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% if not Curtis Hill exhaustion at this point in time. 03:42.466 --> 03:43.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And I think the most bad on that. 03:43.733 --> 03:45.466 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% - We agree. I, - Yeah, exactly. 03:45.466 --> 03:46.800 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And I was gonna say, I mean, I, 03:46.800 --> 03:48.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I spent considerable time reading all 03:48.966 --> 03:50.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% of your tweets from his hearings, both 03:50.933 --> 03:52.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% of your tweets from his hearings. 03:52.133 --> 03:53.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And that was about, as, as much as I've had 03:53.500 --> 03:54.500 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% of Curtis since then. 03:55.966 --> 03:58.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I, it, I agree with Mike on the fact that he is gonna try 03:58.766 --> 04:00.433 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and get that far right piece 04:00.433 --> 04:02.666 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% and stranger things have happened in Republican primaries. 04:02.666 --> 04:05.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I mean, we all knew with, when Richard Luger lost, 04:05.900 --> 04:07.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% for example, in that primary, and we know 04:07.366 --> 04:09.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% how primaries can be on both sides of the aisle. 04:11.333 --> 04:13.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I just, you know, I've been in this business long enough 04:13.133 --> 04:18.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to know that massive egos often outweigh common sense 04:18.066 --> 04:18.900 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% and they 04:18.900 --> 04:20.133 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - Shame. 04:20.133 --> 04:21.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Yeah, shame. I mean, all those things. 04:21.566 --> 04:24.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I mean, and, and so I just don't know if he's gonna be able 04:24.566 --> 04:26.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to raise the money that he's gonna 04:26.033 --> 04:27.533 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% have to raise to be competitive. 04:27.533 --> 04:29.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I know a lot of people will say, I'm going to 92 counties, 04:29.433 --> 04:31.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I'm gonna, this is gonna be about grassroots, 04:31.266 --> 04:32.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% but he's gonna have to have a lot of money 04:32.933 --> 04:35.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and he's gonna be up against some really 04:36.366 --> 04:37.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% strongly funded folks in the primary. 04:37.733 --> 04:39.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And then you've got Suzanne Crouch 04:39.466 --> 04:41.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% who basically rolls out an endorsement every 04:41.733 --> 04:42.833 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% day or every other 04:42.833 --> 04:44.033 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - Day. 04:44.033 --> 04:45.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Well, generally just about every day. 04:45.500 --> 04:47.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Like, yeah. So I, I think his, I, I don't necessarily know 04:47.200 --> 04:49.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% how his path is gonna look, but he could complicate things 04:49.933 --> 04:52.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and that can be really a pain for Republicans. 04:52.266 --> 04:54.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - It feels strange and sad to say this, 04:54.766 --> 04:56.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% but I don't think the allegations 04:56.500 --> 04:58.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and the, the law license suspension 04:58.400 --> 04:59.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and all of that will be the thing 04:59.933 --> 05:02.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that hurts Curtis Hill the most in his primary Niki. 05:02.233 --> 05:04.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Will it be the fact that he's not just facing three 05:04.833 --> 05:06.066 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% people who will have money. 05:06.066 --> 05:07.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% He's facing three people right now 05:07.533 --> 05:09.266 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% who already have a lot of money. 05:09.266 --> 05:11.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they have a ton of money and, 05:11.466 --> 05:14.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and he's got a lot of, you know, ground 05:14.166 --> 05:17.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to make up moving in this late with having some baggage. 05:19.666 --> 05:22.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% You know, I do think he's, he's sort of banking on, 05:22.300 --> 05:24.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% you mentioned him mentioning the Washington DC a lot. 05:24.366 --> 05:27.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% He's banking on sort of this national tenor, 05:29.266 --> 05:31.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% you know, he, and, and it's almost like he's running 05:31.966 --> 05:34.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% for Attorney General of the nation instead 05:34.866 --> 05:36.333 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% of governor in Indiana. 05:36.333 --> 05:39.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% You know, he's announcing on Fox News Digital 05:39.966 --> 05:41.266 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and he is doing all these sort 05:41.266 --> 05:43.133 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% of national conservative hits. 05:45.200 --> 05:49.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So he's trying to, I guess, improve his name ID 05:49.600 --> 05:51.533 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and draw some money from outside 05:51.533 --> 05:52.800 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - Indiana. 05:52.800 --> 05:54.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Not just money, but that gets his face out there 05:54.766 --> 05:56.200 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% to hopefully the kind 05:56.200 --> 05:58.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% of audience here in Indiana that he's seeing. 05:58.366 --> 05:59.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So making, making use of the fact 05:59.866 --> 06:02.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that he doesn't right now at least have as much money. 06:02.033 --> 06:04.066 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Yeah. Let me say this though. 06:05.100 --> 06:08.766 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Will he have to face head on 06:08.766 --> 06:10.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% what happened while he was in office? 06:10.566 --> 06:12.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% The fact that he, you know, the, the court said he, 06:12.466 --> 06:13.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% he criminally batted these women. 06:13.966 --> 06:16.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Will he have to face that head on in this primary 06:16.066 --> 06:17.600 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% or can he largely ignore it if 06:17.600 --> 06:19.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that's the route he decides to go? 06:19.366 --> 06:22.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - I think he can try, but if I'm his opponent, 06:22.766 --> 06:26.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I'm gonna bring it up as much as I possibly can. 06:26.266 --> 06:29.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And I think that is definitely a weak spot for him. 06:29.033 --> 06:31.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So why wouldn't I take advantage of that? 06:32.966 --> 06:35.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% But to your point about the Washington DC I 06:35.133 --> 06:36.666 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% thought that was really strange. 06:36.666 --> 06:38.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% 'cause I was like, who is he talking about? Exactly. 06:38.933 --> 06:41.066 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Who is he signaling to that he, 06:41.066 --> 06:42.300 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% but you've gone on Fox, 06:42.300 --> 06:44.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% nothing you've done is about Indiana. 06:44.633 --> 06:47.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So, but you want to be the governor of Indiana. 06:47.500 --> 06:48.833 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% But I definitely think that 06:49.966 --> 06:52.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% his past is gonna come back to haunt him. 06:52.066 --> 06:53.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% He can try to ignore as much as he wants to 06:53.766 --> 06:55.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and pretend that it doesn't exist, 06:55.433 --> 06:57.066 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% but I think his opponents are 06:57.066 --> 06:58.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% definitely gonna use it against him. 06:58.566 --> 07:00.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - We had a pretty crowded field at this point in 2003. 07:02.300 --> 07:03.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Mitch came in and kind of cleared that field. 07:03.933 --> 07:05.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Murray Clark, you know, lot of these guys were, 07:05.866 --> 07:08.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% David McIntosh, were all, were all kicking the tire. 07:08.400 --> 07:10.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Luke Kinley, we were all kind of kicking the tires on, 07:10.733 --> 07:11.966 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% on the governor's race and, 07:11.966 --> 07:14.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and what Eric Miller's entrance into that kind 07:14.533 --> 07:16.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% of had this moment where it was like, oh, 07:16.766 --> 07:20.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% we gotta consolidate the same people into one guy. 07:20.533 --> 07:22.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% You know? And Mitch was clearly the guy that, 07:22.633 --> 07:24.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that everybody wanted to consolidate into. 07:24.166 --> 07:26.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So Curtis does bring this element of let's get to the end 07:26.133 --> 07:28.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% of the year and maybe do in chambers are sitting in 07:28.366 --> 07:29.833 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% single digits chamber. 07:29.833 --> 07:33.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% You know, Hill's sitting at 20 all this theoretical, 07:33.266 --> 07:35.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% you know, Suzanne and Braun are both doing well 07:35.933 --> 07:37.433 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% and, and competing. 07:37.433 --> 07:39.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% But you're there, there could be an argument later 07:39.166 --> 07:41.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that like, Hey, we can't scatter this vote. 07:41.000 --> 07:43.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Five ways True. Yeah. Because we could wind up with him. 07:44.766 --> 07:46.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - The other thing too though, is he could also be trying 07:46.200 --> 07:48.000 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% to burnish his national profile. 07:48.000 --> 07:51.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I mean, he may be angling for, he may be for a 07:51.266 --> 07:53.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Spot on Fox News, - Like he may be tried 07:53.166 --> 07:55.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to be a Fox News commentator at this point in time 07:55.066 --> 07:56.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Or in a potential Republican administration. 07:56.766 --> 07:58.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Yeah. After the next election, if that happens. 07:59.700 --> 08:01.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% From the week ending August 18th, 08:03.566 --> 08:06.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Indiana's crowded Republican primary for governor 08:06.433 --> 08:08.166 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% has another candidate. 08:08.166 --> 08:10.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Brad Chambers, who recently stepped down as Indiana 08:10.833 --> 08:13.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Secretary of Commerce, threw his hat into the ring this week. 08:15.166 --> 08:17.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Chambers served two years running the Indiana Economic 08:17.500 --> 08:18.866 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% Development Corporation 08:18.866 --> 08:21.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and he says that service is helping drive his 08:21.100 --> 08:22.566 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% decision to run for governor. 08:22.566 --> 08:24.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% In a statement announcing his bid, 08:24.133 --> 08:27.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% he repeatedly uses the word vision, emphasizing 08:27.633 --> 08:29.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that Indiana needs someone with urgency 08:29.566 --> 08:32.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and ambitious aspiration to help lead the state. 08:32.966 --> 08:35.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Chambers helped oversee a shift in economic development 08:35.966 --> 08:39.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% strategy at IEDC with a recent emphasis on spending hundreds 08:39.033 --> 08:41.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% of millions of dollars to buy up land 08:41.000 --> 08:42.500 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and prepare it for companies 08:42.500 --> 08:44.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to locate on without knowing whether 08:44.700 --> 08:46.633 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% that investment will pay off. 08:46.633 --> 08:48.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Prior to his time in state government, 08:48.166 --> 08:50.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Chambers led a real estate investment firm for decades. 08:51.466 --> 08:53.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% He now joins a GOP primary 08:53.300 --> 08:55.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that includes US Senator Mike Braun, 08:55.200 --> 08:58.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Lieutenant Governor Suzanne Crouch, Fort Wayne businessman, 08:58.166 --> 09:00.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Eric Doden, and former Attorney General Curtis Hill. 09:02.266 --> 09:04.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Destiny Wells, considering who's already in the field, 09:04.966 --> 09:08.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% including an independently wealthy former head 09:08.666 --> 09:11.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% of the Indiana Economic Development Corporation. 09:11.166 --> 09:14.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Does a Brad Chambers run for governor make a lot of sense? 09:15.566 --> 09:17.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - I think probably in the echo chamber of the establishment 09:17.366 --> 09:18.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that he's listening to right now. 09:18.700 --> 09:21.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% It does make sense. You have a lot 09:21.266 --> 09:22.833 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% of candidates, it's fractured. 09:22.833 --> 09:25.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And so maybe somebody with no- low name ID like Brad 09:25.466 --> 09:27.033 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Chambers, it would make sense. 09:27.033 --> 09:31.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% However, I'm not sure that he's gonna resonate with a lot 09:31.000 --> 09:33.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% of the electorate outside of that establishment. 09:33.866 --> 09:38.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% You know, if you are known for taking farmland, 09:40.333 --> 09:43.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% stealing water, you may not resonate with rural Indiana. 09:43.566 --> 09:46.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So I, you know, billionaire Brad may have some problems when 09:46.433 --> 09:47.533 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% it comes to rural Indiana. 09:49.066 --> 09:50.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - I feel like so many things I could use 09:50.966 --> 09:54.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to describe Brad Chambers I can use to describe Eric Doden, 09:54.300 --> 09:56.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% who's been in this race for two years. 09:57.766 --> 10:00.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% What does Chambers see that the rest of us don't seem 10:00.133 --> 10:01.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% to think, don't seem to see? 10:01.933 --> 10:03.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Well, at first I'd say it seems like 10:03.533 --> 10:04.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% the Democrats are worried about him. 10:04.966 --> 10:06.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So there's, we could start with that. 10:07.900 --> 10:09.533 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% You know, I, I think that 10:09.533 --> 10:13.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% because there are four now, five candidates in this race, 10:14.500 --> 10:15.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and some have been in for months, 10:15.933 --> 10:17.666 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% some have been in for years. 10:17.666 --> 10:18.933 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% But yet it's interesting 10:18.933 --> 10:22.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that it still feels like a pretty wide open race. 10:22.866 --> 10:26.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% You haven't seen any significant consolidation. 10:26.266 --> 10:28.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So there's, I think there's opportunity for 10:29.766 --> 10:31.200 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% a new candidate to enter. 10:31.200 --> 10:34.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% There are, you know, multiple paths to victory. 10:34.066 --> 10:35.700 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% I would estimate and, 10:35.700 --> 10:39.500 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% and think about just the numbers, depending on how it goes. 10:39.500 --> 10:41.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% You know, you may not have to have 50% of the vote, 10:41.800 --> 10:44.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% you may not have to have what those numbers are. 10:44.366 --> 10:46.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Well, you know, is gonna be really telling. 10:46.800 --> 10:51.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And you know, he's just coming off of a two year stint 10:53.200 --> 10:56.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% overseeing the state's most significant economic development 10:56.100 --> 10:58.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and job creation in state history. 10:58.466 --> 11:01.533 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% So, so the contrast 11:01.533 --> 11:05.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% with them obviously is the most recent, you know, 11:05.833 --> 11:08.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% last couple years versus a record previously. 11:08.966 --> 11:11.266 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% But, you know, I think there are, 11:11.266 --> 11:15.000 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% there are several strong candidates who have a case to make, 11:15.000 --> 11:17.133 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% but it's, it's pretty clear that 11:17.133 --> 11:20.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% after this amount of time, there's still opportunity. 11:20.266 --> 11:22.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And I would expect that he's surveyed that. 11:22.833 --> 11:25.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - When, when Curtis Hill joined the race, in addition 11:25.733 --> 11:27.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to some other stuff we talked about with Curtis Hill, 11:27.633 --> 11:30.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% we talked about who should be most worried of the, 11:30.866 --> 11:33.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% of the candidates who were already in, of Curtis Hill, 11:33.300 --> 11:35.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% taking support away from them to himself. 11:36.533 --> 11:38.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Should Eric Doden be really concerned here? 11:39.766 --> 11:42.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Conventional wisdom would suggest that that is, 11:42.666 --> 11:46.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% let's go back to the, to the terminology that you used 11:46.433 --> 11:48.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and set the stage with this discussion with. 11:48.700 --> 11:52.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And that is Lanes, they're both, if this were a swim meet 11:52.200 --> 11:55.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% or a track meet, they're both jockeying for the same set 11:55.633 --> 11:56.600 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% of blocks or the same 11:58.300 --> 11:59.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% whenever one calls a spring meet, 11:59.866 --> 12:01.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% what do you call it, at a swim meet? 12:01.400 --> 12:03.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% It's been a while, but, well that the same place you jump 12:03.266 --> 12:04.666 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% off to start the- Sure. 12:04.666 --> 12:06.866 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Technical term if we, if we may. 12:06.866 --> 12:08.600 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And, and that's, that's where 12:09.700 --> 12:11.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that would seem to be the message. 12:11.366 --> 12:14.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Not just the message, but the credentials, the background. 12:14.433 --> 12:17.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Very similar with the two of them in terms of their, 12:17.300 --> 12:19.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% their focus on economic development 12:19.133 --> 12:21.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and making sure that Indiana is well positioned 12:21.100 --> 12:23.366 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% for economic growth. 12:23.366 --> 12:25.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Obviously Brad Chambers, he already has started, 12:25.833 --> 12:27.300 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% will make a lot out of, 12:27.300 --> 12:29.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% he's just finished running two years of the IEDC. 12:29.600 --> 12:31.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Look at all of the jobs, look at all 12:31.733 --> 12:33.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% of the commitments we brought in. 12:33.266 --> 12:34.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Look at all the investment we brought in to Indiana. 12:34.966 --> 12:37.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% But unlike a lot of heads of IEDC in the past, 12:37.866 --> 12:42.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Destiny pointed this out, that strategy has not come without 12:42.166 --> 12:43.433 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% pissing some people off. 12:43.433 --> 12:45.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Quite frankly, maybe not a lot of people, 12:45.233 --> 12:46.866 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% but it's made some people upset. 12:48.200 --> 12:50.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Is that going to be a problem for Brad 12:50.166 --> 12:51.166 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - Chambers? 12:51.166 --> 12:52.433 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Yeah, I mean, one thing in, 12:52.433 --> 12:53.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% in their own press release they counted 12:53.400 --> 12:55.100 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% as a success was launching the 12:55.100 --> 12:56.333 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% LEAP District in Boone County. 12:56.333 --> 12:58.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Well, first of all, I mean, it, it, 12:58.466 --> 13:00.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% we don't even have it a single job out there yet. 13:00.533 --> 13:03.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So we've spent hundreds of millions of dollars to buy land. 13:03.966 --> 13:06.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% They are, they are voluntary sales, 13:06.700 --> 13:09.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% but obviously people in Boone County have felt pressured. 13:10.866 --> 13:13.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% We've spent a lot of money on those land 13:13.700 --> 13:15.633 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% purchases way above value. 13:15.633 --> 13:19.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% We still only have one commitment in that thing. 13:19.433 --> 13:22.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And now you've added this billion dollar 13:22.766 --> 13:25.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% pipeline we're gonna build, taking 13:25.033 --> 13:27.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% water from Lafayette to down to indie. 13:27.000 --> 13:28.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So that's definitely controversial 13:28.966 --> 13:30.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and I don't think we know in any way whether 13:30.966 --> 13:34.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that's a success yet or not overall to me. And 13:34.000 --> 13:35.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - We're not going to know - Before people 13:35.266 --> 13:36.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Are casting their votes next - Year. 13:36.733 --> 13:39.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% The, the key thing I see from Brad Chambers entering 13:39.300 --> 13:40.800 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% is, is he's the mystery. 13:40.800 --> 13:42.433 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I know literally nothing. 13:42.433 --> 13:45.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Someone asked me is he stridently conservative? 13:45.733 --> 13:48.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Is he more moderate? Is he, you know, 13:48.166 --> 13:49.566 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% socially a conservative? 13:49.566 --> 13:52.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I have no idea. He's a complete mystery. 13:52.066 --> 13:55.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And in some ways he gets to, I guess, you know, 13:55.166 --> 13:57.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% use his money to define himself now. 13:57.133 --> 13:58.866 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% Yeah. 13:58.866 --> 14:00.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - From the week ending August 25th. 14:00.400 --> 14:00.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% This week, Lieutenant Governor Suzanne Crouch, who's running 14:05.400 --> 14:07.366 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% for governor, is backing a push 14:07.366 --> 14:10.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to eliminate the state's individual income tax. 14:10.566 --> 14:14.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% That tax currently brings in about $8 billion a year 14:14.266 --> 14:16.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% for Indiana, a third of total state revenue. 14:19.033 --> 14:21.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Crouch says she's pushing income tax elimination 14:21.566 --> 14:23.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% because she constantly hears from people who are struggling 14:23.966 --> 14:27.000 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% with inflation and the increasingly high cost of living, 14:27.000 --> 14:29.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% making up for the loss of so much revenue. 14:29.133 --> 14:32.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% She says will require a holistic approach. 14:32.166 --> 14:35.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - We're gonna look at cutting government spending. 14:35.033 --> 14:37.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% We're gonna look at limiting government growth. 14:37.200 --> 14:41.366 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% We're gonna look at finding inefficiencies within government. 14:41.366 --> 14:44.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - What programs or services might be on the chopping block. 14:44.133 --> 14:47.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% She won't say, she also won't delve into specifics on 14:47.466 --> 14:50.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% how she wants to modernize the tax code as part of her plan. 14:50.900 --> 14:55.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - The how isn't as important as the what and the what is. 14:55.033 --> 14:58.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% We are going to eliminate income tax. 14:58.666 --> 15:00.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - A legislative task force is currently examining the 15:00.933 --> 15:02.766 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% state's entire tax system. 15:02.766 --> 15:05.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Crouch says she'll watch closely the results of that effort. 15:05.566 --> 15:07.066 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Is this a good idea? Huh? 15:07.066 --> 15:11.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Well it is certainly a flash pan idea coming out 15:11.266 --> 15:14.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% of a primary, quite frankly, earlier than I thought, 15:14.433 --> 15:16.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% something this sweeping would come out. 15:16.233 --> 15:17.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So that's the surprising thing to me, 15:17.633 --> 15:20.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% where you've got a crowded primary, 15:20.466 --> 15:21.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% it's already been contentious 15:21.933 --> 15:25.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and already we're throwing something this grand. Well, I 15:25.400 --> 15:27.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Mean the primary started out a lot sooner, I suppose, 15:27.833 --> 15:29.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Than the normally that's, that is fair 15:29.733 --> 15:30.900 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - Adjusted for that. 15:30.900 --> 15:32.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - So, but, but you've got the politics 15:32.100 --> 15:33.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and the policy side of this, right? 15:33.333 --> 15:35.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So politics, okay, we're all talking about it. 15:36.533 --> 15:38.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% The policy side to not have details about 15:38.966 --> 15:43.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% how this would be done to take $8 billion out of our revenue 15:43.433 --> 15:47.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to that, that's a whole year of school funding. 15:47.200 --> 15:49.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% This isn't something that happens overnight. 15:49.166 --> 15:51.466 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% There is a current committee, 15:51.466 --> 15:54.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% the task force they met this week that this, 15:54.233 --> 15:55.366 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% that is studying this. 15:55.366 --> 15:58.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% You don't just eliminate the income tax. 15:58.066 --> 16:00.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Not to mention we have spent the last 15 years just 16:00.800 --> 16:02.766 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% focused on tax breaks. 16:02.766 --> 16:06.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% If the attention- intention with this is to help families 16:06.033 --> 16:07.400 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% because of high inflation, 16:08.500 --> 16:10.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% we should be investing in Hoosier families. 16:10.533 --> 16:13.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% We should be switching to a model we, 16:13.166 --> 16:15.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% where we are investing in public health, 16:15.466 --> 16:16.700 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% in public education. 16:16.700 --> 16:18.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% We haven't been doing that because we've been 16:18.200 --> 16:20.333 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% so focused on the tax breaks. 16:20.333 --> 16:22.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So, you know, that's the policy side. 16:22.066 --> 16:25.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% On the political side, it's some flash pan politics. 16:25.400 --> 16:27.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% We're talking about it. And I think that's the intent. 16:28.700 --> 16:31.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - The how is not as important as the what 16:31.000 --> 16:33.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and the what is eliminating the state income tax 16:34.700 --> 16:37.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% when you're talking about eliminating $8 billion. 16:37.433 --> 16:38.833 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And that's just right now, 16:38.833 --> 16:40.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% by the time we would actually do this, it will be 16:41.600 --> 16:43.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% probably closer to nine or even 10 if things continue 16:43.766 --> 16:48.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to go well, the house seems pretty important, does it not? 16:48.100 --> 16:49.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Sure. But we're in the what part right 16:49.766 --> 16:51.166 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% now, the, of the cycle. 16:51.166 --> 16:52.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And we have been investing in all the things 16:52.033 --> 16:53.533 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% that at least just said, 16:53.533 --> 16:56.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% which is why in part we are talking about tax cuts again. 16:56.066 --> 16:58.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% 'cause we, we've been awash in kind of an obscene amount 16:58.066 --> 16:59.666 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% of surplus money. 16:59.666 --> 17:02.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% A large portion of which they, they spent down, 17:02.233 --> 17:04.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I'm trying not to revel too much in the fact 17:04.733 --> 17:07.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that the Indiana Democrats and Curtis Hill both agree 17:08.600 --> 17:10.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and Curtis Hill, the conservative in the race, 17:10.300 --> 17:11.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% the so-called conservative in the race, came out 17:11.833 --> 17:13.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and said, how are you gonna replace all this revenue? 17:13.300 --> 17:15.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% That's not the conservative part of cutting taxes 17:15.466 --> 17:17.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% where we make the government whole. 17:17.033 --> 17:19.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% You're have to experience pain on government side if you're 17:19.400 --> 17:20.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% trying to, if you're trying to deliver relief 17:20.833 --> 17:22.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to the people you're trying to deliver relief 17:22.566 --> 17:24.266 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% to in inflationary times. 17:24.266 --> 17:26.200 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% This is very similar to me 17:26.200 --> 17:27.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% in the conversation about property taxes. 17:27.900 --> 17:30.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Same dynamic. How you gonna do it? We can never do it. 17:30.066 --> 17:32.866 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% It's too, it's it's too expensive. It's gonna hurt too much. 17:32.866 --> 17:35.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Well, you go through that, but, but it was so necessary 17:35.400 --> 17:36.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% 'cause people were losing their homes only 17:36.766 --> 17:38.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% because of their property tax bill. 17:39.433 --> 17:40.766 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And that was back in 2008. 17:40.766 --> 17:42.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And, and, and we fixed that problem. 17:42.333 --> 17:45.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And, but it took a number of, you had to turn a lot of dials 17:45.366 --> 17:48.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to deliver that level of relief and also not, 17:48.766 --> 17:50.566 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% and not completely flush 17:50.566 --> 17:52.233 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% or put, put that much strain on, 17:52.233 --> 17:53.766 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% on state and local government. 17:53.766 --> 17:55.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So I think the committee that met this week is gonna look at 17:55.733 --> 17:58.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% all those options, all those dials that, that you turn 17:58.566 --> 18:00.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and do what my favorite Mitch Daniels line. 18:00.666 --> 18:03.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Let's write a tax code like someone designed it on purpose. 18:03.466 --> 18:06.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - We already have a flat regressive tax. 18:06.333 --> 18:08.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So when it comes to income tax, I just, 18:08.633 --> 18:10.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% this seems like the total elimination. 18:12.266 --> 18:14.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Yeah, to that point. I was gonna say, if you wanted 18:14.966 --> 18:17.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to get, you know, she, I mean she's right. 18:17.333 --> 18:18.766 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% People are struggling. 18:18.766 --> 18:21.366 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% Inflation, high, high gas prices, 18:21.366 --> 18:23.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% high prices at the grocery store. 18:23.066 --> 18:24.433 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% That is a real problem 18:24.433 --> 18:27.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that people are absolutely struggling with. 18:27.133 --> 18:28.733 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% It seems to me that, and, and, 18:28.733 --> 18:30.333 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% and if you cut a tax, there is a, 18:30.333 --> 18:31.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% there is pain on the government side. 18:31.800 --> 18:34.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% That's the way it works. It feels like there would be a lot 18:34.466 --> 18:35.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% of pain, not just for the government, 18:35.800 --> 18:38.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% but for people who count on government services 18:38.066 --> 18:39.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% if you just get rid of this tax. 18:39.300 --> 18:42.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So why not move to a progressive income tax 18:42.100 --> 18:44.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% where you are helping people who can't, who, 18:44.666 --> 18:46.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% who need the help more and the people who don't need 18:46.733 --> 18:49.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% as much help would pay in a little bit 18:49.066 --> 18:50.600 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - More. 18:50.600 --> 18:52.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Well, I guess the problem politically with adopting 18:52.800 --> 18:55.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that kind of proposal is it doesn't get the same kind 18:55.933 --> 18:57.600 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% of bang for your political buck. 18:58.966 --> 19:00.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% If that were the case, yeah, me might be talking about it, 19:00.966 --> 19:02.766 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% but it wouldn't be as, wow. 19:02.766 --> 19:07.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Now that's a bold proposal and it, it's surprising to me. 19:08.266 --> 19:10.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Yes, we, the the, you would like to see more 19:10.766 --> 19:13.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% how in particulars and specifics that that's one thing. 19:13.500 --> 19:15.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% But we'll take that off the table for a minute. 19:15.166 --> 19:16.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% But if you looked at these candidates 19:16.933 --> 19:18.800 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% that are seeking the job 19:18.800 --> 19:23.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and you said who ranked them most likely to propose 19:23.400 --> 19:27.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% the elimination of the individual income tax? 19:27.933 --> 19:30.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I would've put her maybe not at the bottom 19:30.233 --> 19:32.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% for the likelihood, but close to the bottom 19:32.100 --> 19:35.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% because she's someone who has been a champion of 19:36.800 --> 19:38.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% government as a force for good in terms 19:38.900 --> 19:41.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% of the mental health arena in terms of the delivery of, 19:41.666 --> 19:42.966 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% of human services. 19:42.966 --> 19:44.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% She chaired a task force, a round table 19:44.966 --> 19:48.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that looked at this issue for quite a period of time. 19:48.100 --> 19:49.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% These are issues that don't come cheap. 19:49.966 --> 19:51.533 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% The solutions don't come cheap. 19:51.533 --> 19:54.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - And the idea of attracting businesses, 19:54.133 --> 19:57.266 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% and even perhaps more importantly right now, given the state 19:57.266 --> 20:01.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% of, of economic development people and talent to the state 20:01.433 --> 20:02.733 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% or keeping them here 20:02.733 --> 20:05.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% before they leave, that she believes, you know, 20:05.833 --> 20:07.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% you eliminate the state income tax. 20:07.433 --> 20:09.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% That's what's gonna happen is more businesses are gonna come 20:09.733 --> 20:11.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% here, more people are gonna come here. 20:11.766 --> 20:14.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% But increasingly what we are told by businesses is 20:14.700 --> 20:16.366 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% that quality of place. 20:16.366 --> 20:19.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% The idea of making a place attractive to live 20:19.400 --> 20:21.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and work in, not just to work in, but to live 20:21.633 --> 20:25.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and work in is the watch word of economic development. 20:26.333 --> 20:28.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% If you take away the government's ability 20:28.033 --> 20:29.433 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% to do things like trails 20:29.433 --> 20:31.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and all of these, the important government services 20:31.666 --> 20:33.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and then the quality of place government services. 20:33.966 --> 20:36.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% 'cause those are the ones that go first when you're talking 20:36.166 --> 20:39.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% about slashing $8 billion, aren't you hurting yourselves 20:39.400 --> 20:41.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% with the very thing you think you're trying to solve? 20:41.900 --> 20:43.400 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - Yeah, I mean it's a tough one. 20:43.400 --> 20:46.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I I give her credit for throwing down, you know, a bold idea 20:46.900 --> 20:49.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% for, you know, she's steering the conversation. 20:49.500 --> 20:53.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Yeah. Her other opponents are having to now talk about it. 20:54.566 --> 20:57.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% But the details from someone who's covered the nitty gritty 20:57.266 --> 20:59.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% of state budgets are important and, 20:59.600 --> 21:01.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and you know, she said we're not gonna 21:01.333 --> 21:03.133 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% raise any additional taxes. 21:03.133 --> 21:07.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So then the idea of, you know, efficiencies, 21:07.966 --> 21:10.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that's what we heard again and again, efficiencies. 21:10.000 --> 21:12.033 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Look, I I don't, this kind 21:12.033 --> 21:14.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% of cracks me up about this conversation 21:14.266 --> 21:17.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% is Republicans have been in charge for 20 years. 21:17.966 --> 21:19.566 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Are there billions of dollars 21:19.566 --> 21:23.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% of efficiencies still in state government or inefficiencies? 21:23.133 --> 21:24.800 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% And, and if so, why? 21:24.800 --> 21:27.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Because they've been in charge for 20 years. 21:27.033 --> 21:30.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So acting like you can find billions in inefficiencies is, 21:30.933 --> 21:32.833 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% is just not realistic. 21:32.833 --> 21:34.033 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And when you cut something 21:34.033 --> 21:35.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that means someone doesn't get a service. 21:35.566 --> 21:37.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Whether it means you have to go to the next county, 21:37.566 --> 21:40.166 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% to the BMV or you, you know, 21:40.166 --> 21:43.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% just various ways you interact with state government. 21:43.333 --> 21:45.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So, but I, I appreciate the conversation. 21:45.733 --> 21:47.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I've said for a long time I want candidates 21:47.833 --> 21:51.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to be making proposals and let's talk about them. So 21:51.566 --> 21:52.866 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - Oh yeah, this is absolutely 21:52.866 --> 21:54.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% welcome. Yeah. This is a proposal. Yeah. 21:54.133 --> 21:57.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Yeah. - From the week ending September 8th. 21:59.366 --> 22:01.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Axios Indianapolis reported this week 22:01.266 --> 22:02.800 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% that a poll commissioned 22:02.800 --> 22:05.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% by democratic gubernatorial candidate Jennifer McCormick 22:05.133 --> 22:06.966 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% shows her in a tight race 22:06.966 --> 22:09.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% or two with some of the Republican hopefuls. 22:10.966 --> 22:13.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% According to the Axios story, McCormick's poll 22:13.533 --> 22:16.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% of more than 600 registered voters put her in head-to-head 22:16.466 --> 22:18.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% matchups with three GOP candidates. 22:18.866 --> 22:22.100 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% US Senator Mike Braun, Lieutenant Governor Suzanne Crouch, 22:22.100 --> 22:24.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and former attorney General Curtis Hill, 22:24.466 --> 22:29.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% McCormick trailed Braun 46 to 35%, trailed crouch 39 22:29.333 --> 22:33.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to 35%, and was tied with Hill at 36%. 22:33.633 --> 22:35.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% McCormick, who served as Indiana superintendent 22:35.633 --> 22:37.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% of public instruction as a Republican 22:37.533 --> 22:40.000 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% before switching parties, trails, 22:40.000 --> 22:42.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% the Republican field significantly in fundraising. 22:44.100 --> 22:46.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% John Schwantes, is taking any poll paid for by a candidate 22:46.866 --> 22:50.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% with an enormous grain of salt, as we always do. 22:50.466 --> 22:52.000 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Looking at all of the people 22:52.000 --> 22:54.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% who were mentioned in this poll has Mike Braun got the reason 22:54.433 --> 22:55.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to be the happiest with these results, 22:57.066 --> 23:00.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - I suppose better to be in the position he's in than, 23:00.566 --> 23:02.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% than than the second slot, third slot. 23:02.533 --> 23:05.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% But going back to a point that Niki made a moment ago 23:05.100 --> 23:06.600 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% with the momentum she has seen, 23:06.600 --> 23:11.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and we've all seen with the, the, the upstart in this, 23:11.400 --> 23:14.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% in this race, the Chambers campaign, if that, you know, 23:14.733 --> 23:16.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that wasn't really not on the, on 23:16.700 --> 23:18.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - The horizon. Well, he hasn't even announced 23:18.200 --> 23:20.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - He's not, so it was not mixed in, not a factor. 23:20.433 --> 23:22.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So who's to say if we had the same campaign 23:22.833 --> 23:24.433 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% or the same poll conducted now, 23:24.433 --> 23:25.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% it would give the same results. 23:25.900 --> 23:27.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I don't know the answer to that, obviously, 23:27.766 --> 23:30.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% but I guess to answer your question, better 23:30.033 --> 23:33.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to be first place and the most viable candidate. 23:33.600 --> 23:36.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% But you know what, these, to your point, 23:36.100 --> 23:37.700 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% polls at this stage, look at, 23:37.700 --> 23:40.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% we had CNN this week saying Nikki Haley was the only 23:40.633 --> 23:42.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Republican at the presidential level who might be able 23:42.900 --> 23:46.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to beat, or at least statistically could be true, 23:46.600 --> 23:47.733 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% could beat Joe Biden and she 23:47.733 --> 23:48.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Won't be the nominee - And she 23:48.666 --> 23:49.866 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% won't even be the nominee. So 23:49.866 --> 23:51.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Something crazy would have to happen. 23:51.166 --> 23:53.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Well, there's a lot crazy at Yeah, but 23:53.133 --> 23:54.666 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - There's a long time until the, 23:54.666 --> 23:56.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - But that's the point of polls right now. I mean, its fun 23:56.466 --> 23:58.033 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - To talk about. 23:58.033 --> 23:59.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% To that end, if you're, if you're Jennifer McCormick, 23:59.266 --> 24:01.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% you've put out a poll, you've decided to, 24:01.066 --> 24:03.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% you did a private poll that you've decided to talk 24:03.133 --> 24:05.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to at least one press outlet about knowing 24:05.400 --> 24:06.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that it'll be reported elsewhere. 24:07.800 --> 24:09.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And you're losing by, what was it, 11 24:09.233 --> 24:11.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% or 12 to one of the, to one of the front runners 24:11.733 --> 24:13.533 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% for the GOP nomination? 24:14.666 --> 24:17.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Explain, explain the logic of that to me. 24:17.166 --> 24:21.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Yeah, I mean I think you just in their minds, you know 24:21.533 --> 24:23.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% what, a democrat hasn't won a statewide 24:23.900 --> 24:26.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% elected position here in years. 24:26.300 --> 24:30.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And so even if you show them near the top, can, I mean, 24:30.966 --> 24:32.266 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% definitely showed her 24:32.266 --> 24:33.266 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - Oh yeah. 24:33.266 --> 24:34.466 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Right, right. By crowd and 24:34.466 --> 24:35.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - By Crouch, by- and Todd with Hills. 24:35.866 --> 24:37.400 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% So, you know, 24:37.400 --> 24:40.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I think the most I would take from it is she has great name 24:40.566 --> 24:43.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% recognition, which I, I'm not too surprised by. 24:43.866 --> 24:45.200 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% She's our four years as su- 24:45.200 --> 24:46.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% superintendent of public instruction. Obviously 24:46.966 --> 24:48.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - I wasn't quiet during those four. No, 24:48.600 --> 24:50.166 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - Not at all. She well regarded. 24:50.166 --> 24:52.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - So that's something they can build on 24:52.266 --> 24:53.766 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% and maybe fundraise on. 24:53.766 --> 24:56.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Yeah. To that end, is this poll really about proving 24:56.600 --> 24:58.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to some people who you're trying to ask for money 24:58.800 --> 24:59.933 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% that Hey, I am 24:59.933 --> 25:01.166 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - By, I'm in the race. 25:01.166 --> 25:02.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I'm in the race. That's what it shows. 25:02.533 --> 25:04.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% She, it not only has name recognition, 25:04.666 --> 25:06.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% but she has positive name recognition 25:06.566 --> 25:08.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and I, I think that's something that she can market. 25:08.566 --> 25:11.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% The fact that Braun is a sitting senator can get what, 25:11.600 --> 25:13.300 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% 36% of the vote? 25:13.300 --> 25:16.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Yeah. Okay. Is is not an overwhelming endorsement 25:16.066 --> 25:17.300 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% of him. I think it 25:17.300 --> 25:18.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Was more than - That, but yeah. 25:18.300 --> 25:19.800 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Was it? I thought it was, 25:19.800 --> 25:21.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - I thought she had 36 and he had something. It's, anyway, 25:21.733 --> 25:22.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - He had a 10 point, - He didn't have 25:22.966 --> 25:23.966 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - Over 50. 25:23.966 --> 25:25.233 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% I wrote this story. 25:25.233 --> 25:26.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% It's not like I should remember the numbers. 25:26.166 --> 25:26.966 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - Numbers are not our game 25:26.966 --> 25:28.433 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - Numbers anyway. 25:28.433 --> 25:31.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% My my point is that she shows that she's viable and, 25:31.200 --> 25:32.600 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and she can raise the money. 25:32.600 --> 25:34.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And we don't know that Braun's gonna be the nominee. 25:34.366 --> 25:36.266 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I I've said this repeatedly. 25:36.266 --> 25:38.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I think it's gonna be Suzanne Crouch, 25:38.100 --> 25:39.266 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% in which case it's a dead 25:39.266 --> 25:40.800 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - End. 25:40.800 --> 25:42.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% To that point, I, and you mentioned it was too late 25:42.000 --> 25:43.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% for Chambers, or he hadn't announced 25:43.600 --> 25:44.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% yet before this poll was available. 25:44.800 --> 25:46.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% But I really would've been fascinated 25:46.700 --> 25:49.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to see her numbers against like an Eric Doden, not saying 25:49.800 --> 25:52.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that he's going to win, but you have one person with little 25:52.433 --> 25:54.566 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% to no name ID versus you. 25:54.566 --> 25:56.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% How do those numbers match up? I agree. 25:56.000 --> 25:57.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% If somebody that you might not be as familiar, 25:57.966 --> 25:59.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% you might not know his political standing as well. 25:59.900 --> 26:01.133 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Yeah. How do you match up with 26:01.133 --> 26:02.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% him? And I think that could have been, 26:02.400 --> 26:03.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - And that would be the same thing with 26:03.633 --> 26:04.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Chambers. 'cause I bet you if you put Chambers 26:04.866 --> 26:06.000 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% - On - That 10% 26:06.000 --> 26:07.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Could, - But I think I, I think 26:07.966 --> 26:10.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that could have been a better maybe talking point than 26:10.200 --> 26:11.366 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% showing yourself down. 26:12.466 --> 26:15.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - That's Indiana Week in Review for this week. 26:15.066 --> 26:17.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% You can find Indiana Week in Review's podcast 26:17.300 --> 26:20.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and episodes at wfyi.org/iwir 26:21.900 --> 26:23.566 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% or on the PBS app. 26:23.566 --> 26:26.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I'm Brandon Smith of Indiana Public Broadcasting. 26:26.133 --> 26:28.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Enjoy the rest of your holiday weekend and join us next time 26:28.966 --> 26:31.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% because a lot can happen in an Indiana Week. 26:33.133 --> 26:36.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - The opinions expressed are solely those of the panelists. 26:36.833 --> 26:41.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Indiana Week in Review is a WFYI production in association 26:41.000 --> 26:43.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% with Indiana's public Broadcasting stations.