1 00:00:02,266 --> 00:00:03,633 - We look back at the race 2 00:00:03,633 --> 00:00:05,866 for Indiana's open governor's seat ahead 3 00:00:05,866 --> 00:00:07,566 of next year's elections. 4 00:00:07,566 --> 00:00:10,433 A big Republican field, the presumptive Democrat, 5 00:00:10,433 --> 00:00:14,233 and the issues coming to the fore On this special episode 6 00:00:14,233 --> 00:00:15,600 Indiana Week in Review 7 00:00:16,866 --> 00:00:17,900 - Indiana Week in Review 8 00:00:17,900 --> 00:00:18,600 is made possible by the supporters 9 00:00:20,333 --> 00:00:22,466 of Indiana public broadcasting stations 10 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:25,933 - From the week ending July 14th. 11 00:00:27,633 --> 00:00:30,133 Former Indiana Attorney General Curtis Hill, 12 00:00:30,133 --> 00:00:33,266 whose law license was temporarily suspended while in office 13 00:00:33,266 --> 00:00:35,600 when the state Supreme Court ruled he criminally battered 14 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,833 for women, is running for Governor, Hill 15 00:00:38,833 --> 00:00:41,533 joins a crowded Republican primary for the open seat. 16 00:00:43,566 --> 00:00:46,100 Hill had been seen as a rising Republican star 17 00:00:46,100 --> 00:00:48,400 before allegations that he groped four women, 18 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:52,233 including a state lawmaker at a late night party in 2018. 19 00:00:52,233 --> 00:00:53,900 Despite facing calls to resign 20 00:00:53,900 --> 00:00:56,500 and having his law license suspended for a month, 21 00:00:56,500 --> 00:00:58,033 Hill remained in office 22 00:00:58,033 --> 00:01:00,300 before losing reelection at the state Republican Party 23 00:01:00,300 --> 00:01:01,766 convention to current Ag. 24 00:01:01,766 --> 00:01:04,366 Todd Rokita. Hill also lost a bid 25 00:01:04,366 --> 00:01:07,266 for Congress last year in a private Republican caucus 26 00:01:07,266 --> 00:01:09,600 to replace the late Jackie Walorski. 27 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:11,766 In a statement, Hill says he's running for governor 28 00:01:11,766 --> 00:01:14,366 because people want a proven conservative leader 29 00:01:14,366 --> 00:01:17,566 who is not beholden to Washington DC 30 00:01:17,566 --> 00:01:19,733 or special interest groups. 31 00:01:19,733 --> 00:01:22,933 US Senator Mike Braun, Lieutenant Governor Suzanne Crouch 32 00:01:22,933 --> 00:01:25,100 and Fort Wayne businessman Eric Doden are 33 00:01:25,100 --> 00:01:26,700 among the other announced Republican 34 00:01:26,700 --> 00:01:28,333 candidates. Mike O'Brien. 35 00:01:28,333 --> 00:01:30,266 We often, especially in a crowded primary, 36 00:01:30,266 --> 00:01:33,266 we talk about what's the lane, what's the lane to succeed? 37 00:01:33,266 --> 00:01:35,366 What is Curtis Hill's Lane here? 38 00:01:35,366 --> 00:01:38,033 - Well, I think the presumptive right now lane is 39 00:01:39,066 --> 00:01:40,666 the religious right base, right. 40 00:01:40,666 --> 00:01:42,800 That was, that went to bat for him at the convention that 41 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,133 that tried, that tried to defend him when all the 42 00:01:45,133 --> 00:01:46,700 allegations were, were flying 43 00:01:46,700 --> 00:01:48,366 and either dismissed them as not that big of a deal 44 00:01:48,366 --> 00:01:49,666 or, you know, kind of said 45 00:01:49,666 --> 00:01:50,633 what he said that it never happened. 46 00:01:52,166 --> 00:01:55,233 The question's gonna be in, in, in a fi in a four 47 00:01:55,233 --> 00:01:57,333 or five way race, though with a lot of money in it. 48 00:01:58,833 --> 00:02:00,966 You don't need 51% of the vote 49 00:02:00,966 --> 00:02:03,100 to get the nomination, you need like 30. 50 00:02:03,100 --> 00:02:04,366 Right. And so and 51 00:02:04,366 --> 00:02:05,833 - So, and maybe not even that honestly. 52 00:02:05,833 --> 00:02:08,433 Yeah, yeah. In a, in a with four serious candidates. 53 00:02:08,433 --> 00:02:09,900 - Yeah. Right. With, yeah. With without any serious 54 00:02:09,900 --> 00:02:12,566 candidates spread across, you know, all of that. 55 00:02:12,566 --> 00:02:14,333 And, and with, so the question's gonna be 56 00:02:14,333 --> 00:02:15,533 for that part of the base. 57 00:02:16,833 --> 00:02:18,066 Do they still have gas in the tank 58 00:02:18,066 --> 00:02:19,533 to keep defending this guy? 59 00:02:19,533 --> 00:02:21,233 And do they, are they still kinda holding onto that 60 00:02:21,233 --> 00:02:24,600 and there's enough energy behind that to rally around him 61 00:02:25,700 --> 00:02:26,966 if they don't see another option, 62 00:02:26,966 --> 00:02:28,533 which isn't, may not be true either. 63 00:02:28,533 --> 00:02:32,133 You, you may go see another option in a Mike Braun, 64 00:02:32,133 --> 00:02:34,566 you know, Doden, maybe Chambers comes in. 65 00:02:34,566 --> 00:02:37,700 Brad Chambers had IEDC, maybe he comes in, those guys kind 66 00:02:37,700 --> 00:02:39,033 of fill a business role and Mike 67 00:02:39,033 --> 00:02:40,300 Braun's certainly essential to that. 68 00:02:41,633 --> 00:02:44,733 But he's also, you know, pretty far right on the, you know, 69 00:02:44,733 --> 00:02:46,200 as far as the base is concerned. 70 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,866 So if that part of the base doesn't see another alternative, 71 00:02:48,866 --> 00:02:51,200 then they could rally around Curtis Hill. 72 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,833 I don't see that delivering the election for him, 73 00:02:53,833 --> 00:02:56,666 but that's the best, that's the best shot he's got 74 00:02:56,666 --> 00:02:59,066 - In, in, in terms of thinking about Curtis Hill's Lane. 75 00:02:59,066 --> 00:03:01,833 I, I agree that it, it does feel like the far right 76 00:03:01,833 --> 00:03:04,133 of the party, which is a significant part 77 00:03:04,133 --> 00:03:07,200 of the party in this state, didn't have an 78 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:08,466 obvious candidate yet. 79 00:03:08,466 --> 00:03:10,066 Maybe Mike Braun, not really. 80 00:03:10,066 --> 00:03:13,066 Eric Doden, Suzanne Crouch has certainly tried to lean 81 00:03:13,066 --> 00:03:15,133 that way in her social media campaign. 82 00:03:15,133 --> 00:03:18,100 Right. But that's relatively new 83 00:03:18,100 --> 00:03:19,466 and I don't know that she has the roots in 84 00:03:19,466 --> 00:03:20,800 that community the way Curtis Hill does. 85 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:22,366 Right. But at the same, and, and, 86 00:03:22,366 --> 00:03:23,900 and I think it was interesting 87 00:03:23,900 --> 00:03:25,633 and the statement I got from the Hill campaign on Monday 88 00:03:25,633 --> 00:03:27,800 when he announced he used the words "Washington 89 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:29,600 DC" I think three times. 90 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,100 So is it Mike Braun that he's clearly going after right now? 91 00:03:33,833 --> 00:03:35,800 - Possibly. I mean, I, I have to say, 92 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,133 my comments on Curtis Hill are gonna be pretty brief 93 00:03:38,133 --> 00:03:39,533 'cause I have Curtis Hill fatigue, 94 00:03:39,533 --> 00:03:42,466 if not Curtis Hill exhaustion at this point in time. 95 00:03:42,466 --> 00:03:43,733 And I think the most bad on that. 96 00:03:43,733 --> 00:03:45,466 - We agree. I, - Yeah, exactly. 97 00:03:45,466 --> 00:03:46,800 And I was gonna say, I mean, I, 98 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:48,966 I spent considerable time reading all 99 00:03:48,966 --> 00:03:50,933 of your tweets from his hearings, both 100 00:03:50,933 --> 00:03:52,133 of your tweets from his hearings. 101 00:03:52,133 --> 00:03:53,500 And that was about, as, as much as I've had 102 00:03:53,500 --> 00:03:54,500 of Curtis since then. 103 00:03:55,966 --> 00:03:58,766 I, it, I agree with Mike on the fact that he is gonna try 104 00:03:58,766 --> 00:04:00,433 and get that far right piece 105 00:04:00,433 --> 00:04:02,666 and stranger things have happened in Republican primaries. 106 00:04:02,666 --> 00:04:05,900 I mean, we all knew with, when Richard Luger lost, 107 00:04:05,900 --> 00:04:07,366 for example, in that primary, and we know 108 00:04:07,366 --> 00:04:09,933 how primaries can be on both sides of the aisle. 109 00:04:11,333 --> 00:04:13,133 I just, you know, I've been in this business long enough 110 00:04:13,133 --> 00:04:18,066 to know that massive egos often outweigh common sense 111 00:04:18,066 --> 00:04:18,900 and they 112 00:04:18,900 --> 00:04:20,133 - Shame. 113 00:04:20,133 --> 00:04:21,566 Yeah, shame. I mean, all those things. 114 00:04:21,566 --> 00:04:24,566 I mean, and, and so I just don't know if he's gonna be able 115 00:04:24,566 --> 00:04:26,033 to raise the money that he's gonna 116 00:04:26,033 --> 00:04:27,533 have to raise to be competitive. 117 00:04:27,533 --> 00:04:29,433 I know a lot of people will say, I'm going to 92 counties, 118 00:04:29,433 --> 00:04:31,266 I'm gonna, this is gonna be about grassroots, 119 00:04:31,266 --> 00:04:32,933 but he's gonna have to have a lot of money 120 00:04:32,933 --> 00:04:35,000 and he's gonna be up against some really 121 00:04:36,366 --> 00:04:37,733 strongly funded folks in the primary. 122 00:04:37,733 --> 00:04:39,466 And then you've got Suzanne Crouch 123 00:04:39,466 --> 00:04:41,733 who basically rolls out an endorsement every 124 00:04:41,733 --> 00:04:42,833 day or every other 125 00:04:42,833 --> 00:04:44,033 - Day. 126 00:04:44,033 --> 00:04:45,500 Well, generally just about every day. 127 00:04:45,500 --> 00:04:47,200 - Like, yeah. So I, I think his, I, I don't necessarily know 128 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,933 how his path is gonna look, but he could complicate things 129 00:04:49,933 --> 00:04:52,266 and that can be really a pain for Republicans. 130 00:04:52,266 --> 00:04:54,766 - It feels strange and sad to say this, 131 00:04:54,766 --> 00:04:56,500 but I don't think the allegations 132 00:04:56,500 --> 00:04:58,400 and the, the law license suspension 133 00:04:58,400 --> 00:04:59,933 and all of that will be the thing 134 00:04:59,933 --> 00:05:02,233 that hurts Curtis Hill the most in his primary Niki. 135 00:05:02,233 --> 00:05:04,833 Will it be the fact that he's not just facing three 136 00:05:04,833 --> 00:05:06,066 people who will have money. 137 00:05:06,066 --> 00:05:07,533 He's facing three people right now 138 00:05:07,533 --> 00:05:09,266 who already have a lot of money. 139 00:05:09,266 --> 00:05:11,466 - Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they have a ton of money and, 140 00:05:11,466 --> 00:05:14,166 and he's got a lot of, you know, ground 141 00:05:14,166 --> 00:05:17,700 to make up moving in this late with having some baggage. 142 00:05:19,666 --> 00:05:22,300 You know, I do think he's, he's sort of banking on, 143 00:05:22,300 --> 00:05:24,366 you mentioned him mentioning the Washington DC a lot. 144 00:05:24,366 --> 00:05:27,833 He's banking on sort of this national tenor, 145 00:05:29,266 --> 00:05:31,966 you know, he, and, and it's almost like he's running 146 00:05:31,966 --> 00:05:34,866 for Attorney General of the nation instead 147 00:05:34,866 --> 00:05:36,333 of governor in Indiana. 148 00:05:36,333 --> 00:05:39,966 You know, he's announcing on Fox News Digital 149 00:05:39,966 --> 00:05:41,266 and he is doing all these sort 150 00:05:41,266 --> 00:05:43,133 of national conservative hits. 151 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:49,600 So he's trying to, I guess, improve his name ID 152 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:51,533 and draw some money from outside 153 00:05:51,533 --> 00:05:52,800 - Indiana. 154 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:54,766 Not just money, but that gets his face out there 155 00:05:54,766 --> 00:05:56,200 to hopefully the kind 156 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,366 of audience here in Indiana that he's seeing. 157 00:05:58,366 --> 00:05:59,866 So making, making use of the fact 158 00:05:59,866 --> 00:06:02,033 that he doesn't right now at least have as much money. 159 00:06:02,033 --> 00:06:04,066 Yeah. Let me say this though. 160 00:06:05,100 --> 00:06:08,766 Will he have to face head on 161 00:06:08,766 --> 00:06:10,566 what happened while he was in office? 162 00:06:10,566 --> 00:06:12,466 The fact that he, you know, the, the court said he, 163 00:06:12,466 --> 00:06:13,966 he criminally batted these women. 164 00:06:13,966 --> 00:06:16,066 Will he have to face that head on in this primary 165 00:06:16,066 --> 00:06:17,600 or can he largely ignore it if 166 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:19,366 that's the route he decides to go? 167 00:06:19,366 --> 00:06:22,766 - I think he can try, but if I'm his opponent, 168 00:06:22,766 --> 00:06:26,266 I'm gonna bring it up as much as I possibly can. 169 00:06:26,266 --> 00:06:29,033 And I think that is definitely a weak spot for him. 170 00:06:29,033 --> 00:06:31,900 So why wouldn't I take advantage of that? 171 00:06:32,966 --> 00:06:35,133 But to your point about the Washington DC I 172 00:06:35,133 --> 00:06:36,666 thought that was really strange. 173 00:06:36,666 --> 00:06:38,933 'cause I was like, who is he talking about? Exactly. 174 00:06:38,933 --> 00:06:41,066 Who is he signaling to that he, 175 00:06:41,066 --> 00:06:42,300 but you've gone on Fox, 176 00:06:42,300 --> 00:06:44,633 nothing you've done is about Indiana. 177 00:06:44,633 --> 00:06:47,500 So, but you want to be the governor of Indiana. 178 00:06:47,500 --> 00:06:48,833 But I definitely think that 179 00:06:49,966 --> 00:06:52,066 his past is gonna come back to haunt him. 180 00:06:52,066 --> 00:06:53,766 He can try to ignore as much as he wants to 181 00:06:53,766 --> 00:06:55,433 and pretend that it doesn't exist, 182 00:06:55,433 --> 00:06:57,066 but I think his opponents are 183 00:06:57,066 --> 00:06:58,566 definitely gonna use it against him. 184 00:06:58,566 --> 00:07:00,966 - We had a pretty crowded field at this point in 2003. 185 00:07:02,300 --> 00:07:03,933 Mitch came in and kind of cleared that field. 186 00:07:03,933 --> 00:07:05,866 Murray Clark, you know, lot of these guys were, 187 00:07:05,866 --> 00:07:08,400 David McIntosh, were all, were all kicking the tire. 188 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:10,733 Luke Kinley, we were all kind of kicking the tires on, 189 00:07:10,733 --> 00:07:11,966 on the governor's race and, 190 00:07:11,966 --> 00:07:14,533 and what Eric Miller's entrance into that kind 191 00:07:14,533 --> 00:07:16,766 of had this moment where it was like, oh, 192 00:07:16,766 --> 00:07:20,533 we gotta consolidate the same people into one guy. 193 00:07:20,533 --> 00:07:22,633 You know? And Mitch was clearly the guy that, 194 00:07:22,633 --> 00:07:24,166 that everybody wanted to consolidate into. 195 00:07:24,166 --> 00:07:26,133 So Curtis does bring this element of let's get to the end 196 00:07:26,133 --> 00:07:28,366 of the year and maybe do in chambers are sitting in 197 00:07:28,366 --> 00:07:29,833 single digits chamber. 198 00:07:29,833 --> 00:07:33,266 You know, Hill's sitting at 20 all this theoretical, 199 00:07:33,266 --> 00:07:35,933 you know, Suzanne and Braun are both doing well 200 00:07:35,933 --> 00:07:37,433 and, and competing. 201 00:07:37,433 --> 00:07:39,166 But you're there, there could be an argument later 202 00:07:39,166 --> 00:07:41,000 that like, Hey, we can't scatter this vote. 203 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,433 Five ways True. Yeah. Because we could wind up with him. 204 00:07:44,766 --> 00:07:46,200 - The other thing too though, is he could also be trying 205 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,000 to burnish his national profile. 206 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,266 I mean, he may be angling for, he may be for a 207 00:07:51,266 --> 00:07:53,166 - Spot on Fox News, - Like he may be tried 208 00:07:53,166 --> 00:07:55,066 to be a Fox News commentator at this point in time 209 00:07:55,066 --> 00:07:56,766 - Or in a potential Republican administration. 210 00:07:56,766 --> 00:07:58,433 Yeah. After the next election, if that happens. 211 00:07:59,700 --> 00:08:01,666 From the week ending August 18th, 212 00:08:03,566 --> 00:08:06,433 Indiana's crowded Republican primary for governor 213 00:08:06,433 --> 00:08:08,166 has another candidate. 214 00:08:08,166 --> 00:08:10,833 Brad Chambers, who recently stepped down as Indiana 215 00:08:10,833 --> 00:08:13,800 Secretary of Commerce, threw his hat into the ring this week. 216 00:08:15,166 --> 00:08:17,500 Chambers served two years running the Indiana Economic 217 00:08:17,500 --> 00:08:18,866 Development Corporation 218 00:08:18,866 --> 00:08:21,100 and he says that service is helping drive his 219 00:08:21,100 --> 00:08:22,566 decision to run for governor. 220 00:08:22,566 --> 00:08:24,133 In a statement announcing his bid, 221 00:08:24,133 --> 00:08:27,633 he repeatedly uses the word vision, emphasizing 222 00:08:27,633 --> 00:08:29,566 that Indiana needs someone with urgency 223 00:08:29,566 --> 00:08:32,966 and ambitious aspiration to help lead the state. 224 00:08:32,966 --> 00:08:35,966 Chambers helped oversee a shift in economic development 225 00:08:35,966 --> 00:08:39,033 strategy at IEDC with a recent emphasis on spending hundreds 226 00:08:39,033 --> 00:08:41,000 of millions of dollars to buy up land 227 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:42,500 and prepare it for companies 228 00:08:42,500 --> 00:08:44,700 to locate on without knowing whether 229 00:08:44,700 --> 00:08:46,633 that investment will pay off. 230 00:08:46,633 --> 00:08:48,166 Prior to his time in state government, 231 00:08:48,166 --> 00:08:50,666 Chambers led a real estate investment firm for decades. 232 00:08:51,466 --> 00:08:53,300 He now joins a GOP primary 233 00:08:53,300 --> 00:08:55,200 that includes US Senator Mike Braun, 234 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,166 Lieutenant Governor Suzanne Crouch, Fort Wayne businessman, 235 00:08:58,166 --> 00:09:00,900 Eric Doden, and former Attorney General Curtis Hill. 236 00:09:02,266 --> 00:09:04,966 Destiny Wells, considering who's already in the field, 237 00:09:04,966 --> 00:09:08,666 including an independently wealthy former head 238 00:09:08,666 --> 00:09:11,166 of the Indiana Economic Development Corporation. 239 00:09:11,166 --> 00:09:14,200 Does a Brad Chambers run for governor make a lot of sense? 240 00:09:15,566 --> 00:09:17,366 - I think probably in the echo chamber of the establishment 241 00:09:17,366 --> 00:09:18,700 that he's listening to right now. 242 00:09:18,700 --> 00:09:21,266 It does make sense. You have a lot 243 00:09:21,266 --> 00:09:22,833 of candidates, it's fractured. 244 00:09:22,833 --> 00:09:25,466 And so maybe somebody with no- low name ID like Brad 245 00:09:25,466 --> 00:09:27,033 Chambers, it would make sense. 246 00:09:27,033 --> 00:09:31,000 However, I'm not sure that he's gonna resonate with a lot 247 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,866 of the electorate outside of that establishment. 248 00:09:33,866 --> 00:09:38,933 You know, if you are known for taking farmland, 249 00:09:40,333 --> 00:09:43,566 stealing water, you may not resonate with rural Indiana. 250 00:09:43,566 --> 00:09:46,433 So I, you know, billionaire Brad may have some problems when 251 00:09:46,433 --> 00:09:47,533 it comes to rural Indiana. 252 00:09:49,066 --> 00:09:50,966 - I feel like so many things I could use 253 00:09:50,966 --> 00:09:54,300 to describe Brad Chambers I can use to describe Eric Doden, 254 00:09:54,300 --> 00:09:56,033 who's been in this race for two years. 255 00:09:57,766 --> 00:10:00,133 What does Chambers see that the rest of us don't seem 256 00:10:00,133 --> 00:10:01,933 to think, don't seem to see? 257 00:10:01,933 --> 00:10:03,533 - Well, at first I'd say it seems like 258 00:10:03,533 --> 00:10:04,966 the Democrats are worried about him. 259 00:10:04,966 --> 00:10:06,466 So there's, we could start with that. 260 00:10:07,900 --> 00:10:09,533 You know, I, I think that 261 00:10:09,533 --> 00:10:13,433 because there are four now, five candidates in this race, 262 00:10:14,500 --> 00:10:15,933 and some have been in for months, 263 00:10:15,933 --> 00:10:17,666 some have been in for years. 264 00:10:17,666 --> 00:10:18,933 But yet it's interesting 265 00:10:18,933 --> 00:10:22,866 that it still feels like a pretty wide open race. 266 00:10:22,866 --> 00:10:26,266 You haven't seen any significant consolidation. 267 00:10:26,266 --> 00:10:28,933 So there's, I think there's opportunity for 268 00:10:29,766 --> 00:10:31,200 a new candidate to enter. 269 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,066 There are, you know, multiple paths to victory. 270 00:10:34,066 --> 00:10:35,700 I would estimate and, 271 00:10:35,700 --> 00:10:39,500 and think about just the numbers, depending on how it goes. 272 00:10:39,500 --> 00:10:41,800 You know, you may not have to have 50% of the vote, 273 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,366 you may not have to have what those numbers are. 274 00:10:44,366 --> 00:10:46,800 Well, you know, is gonna be really telling. 275 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:51,766 And you know, he's just coming off of a two year stint 276 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,100 overseeing the state's most significant economic development 277 00:10:56,100 --> 00:10:58,466 and job creation in state history. 278 00:10:58,466 --> 00:11:01,533 So, so the contrast 279 00:11:01,533 --> 00:11:05,833 with them obviously is the most recent, you know, 280 00:11:05,833 --> 00:11:08,966 last couple years versus a record previously. 281 00:11:08,966 --> 00:11:11,266 But, you know, I think there are, 282 00:11:11,266 --> 00:11:15,000 there are several strong candidates who have a case to make, 283 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,133 but it's, it's pretty clear that 284 00:11:17,133 --> 00:11:20,266 after this amount of time, there's still opportunity. 285 00:11:20,266 --> 00:11:22,833 And I would expect that he's surveyed that. 286 00:11:22,833 --> 00:11:25,733 - When, when Curtis Hill joined the race, in addition 287 00:11:25,733 --> 00:11:27,633 to some other stuff we talked about with Curtis Hill, 288 00:11:27,633 --> 00:11:30,866 we talked about who should be most worried of the, 289 00:11:30,866 --> 00:11:33,300 of the candidates who were already in, of Curtis Hill, 290 00:11:33,300 --> 00:11:35,433 taking support away from them to himself. 291 00:11:36,533 --> 00:11:38,466 Should Eric Doden be really concerned here? 292 00:11:39,766 --> 00:11:42,666 - Conventional wisdom would suggest that that is, 293 00:11:42,666 --> 00:11:46,433 let's go back to the, to the terminology that you used 294 00:11:46,433 --> 00:11:48,700 and set the stage with this discussion with. 295 00:11:48,700 --> 00:11:52,200 And that is Lanes, they're both, if this were a swim meet 296 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,633 or a track meet, they're both jockeying for the same set 297 00:11:55,633 --> 00:11:56,600 of blocks or the same 298 00:11:58,300 --> 00:11:59,866 whenever one calls a spring meet, 299 00:11:59,866 --> 00:12:01,400 what do you call it, at a swim meet? 300 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,266 It's been a while, but, well that the same place you jump 301 00:12:03,266 --> 00:12:04,666 off to start the- Sure. 302 00:12:04,666 --> 00:12:06,866 Technical term if we, if we may. 303 00:12:06,866 --> 00:12:08,600 And, and that's, that's where 304 00:12:09,700 --> 00:12:11,366 that would seem to be the message. 305 00:12:11,366 --> 00:12:14,433 Not just the message, but the credentials, the background. 306 00:12:14,433 --> 00:12:17,300 Very similar with the two of them in terms of their, 307 00:12:17,300 --> 00:12:19,133 their focus on economic development 308 00:12:19,133 --> 00:12:21,100 and making sure that Indiana is well positioned 309 00:12:21,100 --> 00:12:23,366 for economic growth. 310 00:12:23,366 --> 00:12:25,833 - Obviously Brad Chambers, he already has started, 311 00:12:25,833 --> 00:12:27,300 will make a lot out of, 312 00:12:27,300 --> 00:12:29,600 he's just finished running two years of the IEDC. 313 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,733 Look at all of the jobs, look at all 314 00:12:31,733 --> 00:12:33,266 of the commitments we brought in. 315 00:12:33,266 --> 00:12:34,966 Look at all the investment we brought in to Indiana. 316 00:12:34,966 --> 00:12:37,866 But unlike a lot of heads of IEDC in the past, 317 00:12:37,866 --> 00:12:42,166 Destiny pointed this out, that strategy has not come without 318 00:12:42,166 --> 00:12:43,433 pissing some people off. 319 00:12:43,433 --> 00:12:45,233 Quite frankly, maybe not a lot of people, 320 00:12:45,233 --> 00:12:46,866 but it's made some people upset. 321 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,166 Is that going to be a problem for Brad 322 00:12:50,166 --> 00:12:51,166 - Chambers? 323 00:12:51,166 --> 00:12:52,433 Yeah, I mean, one thing in, 324 00:12:52,433 --> 00:12:53,400 in their own press release they counted 325 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:55,100 as a success was launching the 326 00:12:55,100 --> 00:12:56,333 LEAP District in Boone County. 327 00:12:56,333 --> 00:12:58,466 Well, first of all, I mean, it, it, 328 00:12:58,466 --> 00:13:00,533 we don't even have it a single job out there yet. 329 00:13:00,533 --> 00:13:03,966 So we've spent hundreds of millions of dollars to buy land. 330 00:13:03,966 --> 00:13:06,700 They are, they are voluntary sales, 331 00:13:06,700 --> 00:13:09,733 but obviously people in Boone County have felt pressured. 332 00:13:10,866 --> 00:13:13,700 We've spent a lot of money on those land 333 00:13:13,700 --> 00:13:15,633 purchases way above value. 334 00:13:15,633 --> 00:13:19,433 We still only have one commitment in that thing. 335 00:13:19,433 --> 00:13:22,766 And now you've added this billion dollar 336 00:13:22,766 --> 00:13:25,033 pipeline we're gonna build, taking 337 00:13:25,033 --> 00:13:27,000 water from Lafayette to down to indie. 338 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:28,966 So that's definitely controversial 339 00:13:28,966 --> 00:13:30,966 and I don't think we know in any way whether 340 00:13:30,966 --> 00:13:34,000 that's a success yet or not overall to me. And 341 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:35,266 - We're not going to know - Before people 342 00:13:35,266 --> 00:13:36,733 - Are casting their votes next - Year. 343 00:13:36,733 --> 00:13:39,300 The, the key thing I see from Brad Chambers entering 344 00:13:39,300 --> 00:13:40,800 is, is he's the mystery. 345 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:42,433 I know literally nothing. 346 00:13:42,433 --> 00:13:45,733 Someone asked me is he stridently conservative? 347 00:13:45,733 --> 00:13:48,166 Is he more moderate? Is he, you know, 348 00:13:48,166 --> 00:13:49,566 socially a conservative? 349 00:13:49,566 --> 00:13:52,066 I have no idea. He's a complete mystery. 350 00:13:52,066 --> 00:13:55,166 And in some ways he gets to, I guess, you know, 351 00:13:55,166 --> 00:13:57,133 use his money to define himself now. 352 00:13:57,133 --> 00:13:58,866 Yeah. 353 00:13:58,866 --> 00:14:00,400 - From the week ending August 25th. 354 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:00,600 This week, Lieutenant Governor Suzanne Crouch, who's running 355 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:07,366 for governor, is backing a push 356 00:14:07,366 --> 00:14:10,566 to eliminate the state's individual income tax. 357 00:14:10,566 --> 00:14:14,266 That tax currently brings in about $8 billion a year 358 00:14:14,266 --> 00:14:16,866 for Indiana, a third of total state revenue. 359 00:14:19,033 --> 00:14:21,566 Crouch says she's pushing income tax elimination 360 00:14:21,566 --> 00:14:23,966 because she constantly hears from people who are struggling 361 00:14:23,966 --> 00:14:27,000 with inflation and the increasingly high cost of living, 362 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,133 making up for the loss of so much revenue. 363 00:14:29,133 --> 00:14:32,166 She says will require a holistic approach. 364 00:14:32,166 --> 00:14:35,033 - We're gonna look at cutting government spending. 365 00:14:35,033 --> 00:14:37,200 We're gonna look at limiting government growth. 366 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:41,366 We're gonna look at finding inefficiencies within government. 367 00:14:41,366 --> 00:14:44,133 - What programs or services might be on the chopping block. 368 00:14:44,133 --> 00:14:47,466 She won't say, she also won't delve into specifics on 369 00:14:47,466 --> 00:14:50,900 how she wants to modernize the tax code as part of her plan. 370 00:14:50,900 --> 00:14:55,033 - The how isn't as important as the what and the what is. 371 00:14:55,033 --> 00:14:58,666 We are going to eliminate income tax. 372 00:14:58,666 --> 00:15:00,933 - A legislative task force is currently examining the 373 00:15:00,933 --> 00:15:02,766 state's entire tax system. 374 00:15:02,766 --> 00:15:05,566 Crouch says she'll watch closely the results of that effort. 375 00:15:05,566 --> 00:15:07,066 Is this a good idea? Huh? 376 00:15:07,066 --> 00:15:11,266 - Well it is certainly a flash pan idea coming out 377 00:15:11,266 --> 00:15:14,433 of a primary, quite frankly, earlier than I thought, 378 00:15:14,433 --> 00:15:16,233 something this sweeping would come out. 379 00:15:16,233 --> 00:15:17,633 So that's the surprising thing to me, 380 00:15:17,633 --> 00:15:20,466 where you've got a crowded primary, 381 00:15:20,466 --> 00:15:21,933 it's already been contentious 382 00:15:21,933 --> 00:15:25,400 and already we're throwing something this grand. Well, I 383 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,833 - Mean the primary started out a lot sooner, I suppose, 384 00:15:27,833 --> 00:15:29,733 - Than the normally that's, that is fair 385 00:15:29,733 --> 00:15:30,900 - Adjusted for that. 386 00:15:30,900 --> 00:15:32,100 - So, but, but you've got the politics 387 00:15:32,100 --> 00:15:33,333 and the policy side of this, right? 388 00:15:33,333 --> 00:15:35,466 So politics, okay, we're all talking about it. 389 00:15:36,533 --> 00:15:38,966 The policy side to not have details about 390 00:15:38,966 --> 00:15:43,433 how this would be done to take $8 billion out of our revenue 391 00:15:43,433 --> 00:15:47,200 to that, that's a whole year of school funding. 392 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,166 This isn't something that happens overnight. 393 00:15:49,166 --> 00:15:51,466 There is a current committee, 394 00:15:51,466 --> 00:15:54,233 the task force they met this week that this, 395 00:15:54,233 --> 00:15:55,366 that is studying this. 396 00:15:55,366 --> 00:15:58,066 You don't just eliminate the income tax. 397 00:15:58,066 --> 00:16:00,800 Not to mention we have spent the last 15 years just 398 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:02,766 focused on tax breaks. 399 00:16:02,766 --> 00:16:06,033 If the attention- intention with this is to help families 400 00:16:06,033 --> 00:16:07,400 because of high inflation, 401 00:16:08,500 --> 00:16:10,533 we should be investing in Hoosier families. 402 00:16:10,533 --> 00:16:13,166 We should be switching to a model we, 403 00:16:13,166 --> 00:16:15,466 where we are investing in public health, 404 00:16:15,466 --> 00:16:16,700 in public education. 405 00:16:16,700 --> 00:16:18,200 We haven't been doing that because we've been 406 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,333 so focused on the tax breaks. 407 00:16:20,333 --> 00:16:22,066 So, you know, that's the policy side. 408 00:16:22,066 --> 00:16:25,400 On the political side, it's some flash pan politics. 409 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,600 We're talking about it. And I think that's the intent. 410 00:16:28,700 --> 00:16:31,000 - The how is not as important as the what 411 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,333 and the what is eliminating the state income tax 412 00:16:34,700 --> 00:16:37,433 when you're talking about eliminating $8 billion. 413 00:16:37,433 --> 00:16:38,833 And that's just right now, 414 00:16:38,833 --> 00:16:40,200 by the time we would actually do this, it will be 415 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:43,766 probably closer to nine or even 10 if things continue 416 00:16:43,766 --> 00:16:48,100 to go well, the house seems pretty important, does it not? 417 00:16:48,100 --> 00:16:49,766 - Sure. But we're in the what part right 418 00:16:49,766 --> 00:16:51,166 now, the, of the cycle. 419 00:16:51,166 --> 00:16:52,033 And we have been investing in all the things 420 00:16:52,033 --> 00:16:53,533 that at least just said, 421 00:16:53,533 --> 00:16:56,066 which is why in part we are talking about tax cuts again. 422 00:16:56,066 --> 00:16:58,066 'cause we, we've been awash in kind of an obscene amount 423 00:16:58,066 --> 00:16:59,666 of surplus money. 424 00:16:59,666 --> 00:17:02,233 A large portion of which they, they spent down, 425 00:17:02,233 --> 00:17:04,733 I'm trying not to revel too much in the fact 426 00:17:04,733 --> 00:17:07,300 that the Indiana Democrats and Curtis Hill both agree 427 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:10,300 and Curtis Hill, the conservative in the race, 428 00:17:10,300 --> 00:17:11,833 the so-called conservative in the race, came out 429 00:17:11,833 --> 00:17:13,300 and said, how are you gonna replace all this revenue? 430 00:17:13,300 --> 00:17:15,466 That's not the conservative part of cutting taxes 431 00:17:15,466 --> 00:17:17,033 where we make the government whole. 432 00:17:17,033 --> 00:17:19,400 You're have to experience pain on government side if you're 433 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:20,833 trying to, if you're trying to deliver relief 434 00:17:20,833 --> 00:17:22,566 to the people you're trying to deliver relief 435 00:17:22,566 --> 00:17:24,266 to in inflationary times. 436 00:17:24,266 --> 00:17:26,200 This is very similar to me 437 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:27,900 in the conversation about property taxes. 438 00:17:27,900 --> 00:17:30,066 Same dynamic. How you gonna do it? We can never do it. 439 00:17:30,066 --> 00:17:32,866 It's too, it's it's too expensive. It's gonna hurt too much. 440 00:17:32,866 --> 00:17:35,400 Well, you go through that, but, but it was so necessary 441 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:36,766 'cause people were losing their homes only 442 00:17:36,766 --> 00:17:38,400 because of their property tax bill. 443 00:17:39,433 --> 00:17:40,766 And that was back in 2008. 444 00:17:40,766 --> 00:17:42,333 And, and, and we fixed that problem. 445 00:17:42,333 --> 00:17:45,366 And, but it took a number of, you had to turn a lot of dials 446 00:17:45,366 --> 00:17:48,766 to deliver that level of relief and also not, 447 00:17:48,766 --> 00:17:50,566 and not completely flush 448 00:17:50,566 --> 00:17:52,233 or put, put that much strain on, 449 00:17:52,233 --> 00:17:53,766 on state and local government. 450 00:17:53,766 --> 00:17:55,733 So I think the committee that met this week is gonna look at 451 00:17:55,733 --> 00:17:58,566 all those options, all those dials that, that you turn 452 00:17:58,566 --> 00:18:00,666 and do what my favorite Mitch Daniels line. 453 00:18:00,666 --> 00:18:03,466 Let's write a tax code like someone designed it on purpose. 454 00:18:03,466 --> 00:18:06,333 - We already have a flat regressive tax. 455 00:18:06,333 --> 00:18:08,633 So when it comes to income tax, I just, 456 00:18:08,633 --> 00:18:10,533 this seems like the total elimination. 457 00:18:12,266 --> 00:18:14,966 - Yeah, to that point. I was gonna say, if you wanted 458 00:18:14,966 --> 00:18:17,333 to get, you know, she, I mean she's right. 459 00:18:17,333 --> 00:18:18,766 People are struggling. 460 00:18:18,766 --> 00:18:21,366 Inflation, high, high gas prices, 461 00:18:21,366 --> 00:18:23,066 high prices at the grocery store. 462 00:18:23,066 --> 00:18:24,433 That is a real problem 463 00:18:24,433 --> 00:18:27,133 that people are absolutely struggling with. 464 00:18:27,133 --> 00:18:28,733 It seems to me that, and, and, 465 00:18:28,733 --> 00:18:30,333 and if you cut a tax, there is a, 466 00:18:30,333 --> 00:18:31,800 there is pain on the government side. 467 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,466 That's the way it works. It feels like there would be a lot 468 00:18:34,466 --> 00:18:35,800 of pain, not just for the government, 469 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,066 but for people who count on government services 470 00:18:38,066 --> 00:18:39,300 if you just get rid of this tax. 471 00:18:39,300 --> 00:18:42,100 So why not move to a progressive income tax 472 00:18:42,100 --> 00:18:44,666 where you are helping people who can't, who, 473 00:18:44,666 --> 00:18:46,733 who need the help more and the people who don't need 474 00:18:46,733 --> 00:18:49,066 as much help would pay in a little bit 475 00:18:49,066 --> 00:18:50,600 - More. 476 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,800 Well, I guess the problem politically with adopting 477 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,933 that kind of proposal is it doesn't get the same kind 478 00:18:55,933 --> 00:18:57,600 of bang for your political buck. 479 00:18:58,966 --> 00:19:00,966 If that were the case, yeah, me might be talking about it, 480 00:19:00,966 --> 00:19:02,766 but it wouldn't be as, wow. 481 00:19:02,766 --> 00:19:07,133 Now that's a bold proposal and it, it's surprising to me. 482 00:19:08,266 --> 00:19:10,766 Yes, we, the the, you would like to see more 483 00:19:10,766 --> 00:19:13,500 how in particulars and specifics that that's one thing. 484 00:19:13,500 --> 00:19:15,166 But we'll take that off the table for a minute. 485 00:19:15,166 --> 00:19:16,933 But if you looked at these candidates 486 00:19:16,933 --> 00:19:18,800 that are seeking the job 487 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:23,400 and you said who ranked them most likely to propose 488 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:27,933 the elimination of the individual income tax? 489 00:19:27,933 --> 00:19:30,233 I would've put her maybe not at the bottom 490 00:19:30,233 --> 00:19:32,100 for the likelihood, but close to the bottom 491 00:19:32,100 --> 00:19:35,733 because she's someone who has been a champion of 492 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,900 government as a force for good in terms 493 00:19:38,900 --> 00:19:41,666 of the mental health arena in terms of the delivery of, 494 00:19:41,666 --> 00:19:42,966 of human services. 495 00:19:42,966 --> 00:19:44,966 She chaired a task force, a round table 496 00:19:44,966 --> 00:19:48,100 that looked at this issue for quite a period of time. 497 00:19:48,100 --> 00:19:49,966 These are issues that don't come cheap. 498 00:19:49,966 --> 00:19:51,533 The solutions don't come cheap. 499 00:19:51,533 --> 00:19:54,133 - And the idea of attracting businesses, 500 00:19:54,133 --> 00:19:57,266 and even perhaps more importantly right now, given the state 501 00:19:57,266 --> 00:20:01,433 of, of economic development people and talent to the state 502 00:20:01,433 --> 00:20:02,733 or keeping them here 503 00:20:02,733 --> 00:20:05,833 before they leave, that she believes, you know, 504 00:20:05,833 --> 00:20:07,433 you eliminate the state income tax. 505 00:20:07,433 --> 00:20:09,733 That's what's gonna happen is more businesses are gonna come 506 00:20:09,733 --> 00:20:11,766 here, more people are gonna come here. 507 00:20:11,766 --> 00:20:14,700 But increasingly what we are told by businesses is 508 00:20:14,700 --> 00:20:16,366 that quality of place. 509 00:20:16,366 --> 00:20:19,400 The idea of making a place attractive to live 510 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,633 and work in, not just to work in, but to live 511 00:20:21,633 --> 00:20:25,200 and work in is the watch word of economic development. 512 00:20:26,333 --> 00:20:28,033 If you take away the government's ability 513 00:20:28,033 --> 00:20:29,433 to do things like trails 514 00:20:29,433 --> 00:20:31,666 and all of these, the important government services 515 00:20:31,666 --> 00:20:33,966 and then the quality of place government services. 516 00:20:33,966 --> 00:20:36,166 'cause those are the ones that go first when you're talking 517 00:20:36,166 --> 00:20:39,400 about slashing $8 billion, aren't you hurting yourselves 518 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,900 with the very thing you think you're trying to solve? 519 00:20:41,900 --> 00:20:43,400 - Yeah, I mean it's a tough one. 520 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,900 I I give her credit for throwing down, you know, a bold idea 521 00:20:46,900 --> 00:20:49,500 for, you know, she's steering the conversation. 522 00:20:49,500 --> 00:20:53,100 Yeah. Her other opponents are having to now talk about it. 523 00:20:54,566 --> 00:20:57,266 But the details from someone who's covered the nitty gritty 524 00:20:57,266 --> 00:20:59,600 of state budgets are important and, 525 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,333 and you know, she said we're not gonna 526 00:21:01,333 --> 00:21:03,133 raise any additional taxes. 527 00:21:03,133 --> 00:21:07,966 So then the idea of, you know, efficiencies, 528 00:21:07,966 --> 00:21:10,000 that's what we heard again and again, efficiencies. 529 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,033 Look, I I don't, this kind 530 00:21:12,033 --> 00:21:14,266 of cracks me up about this conversation 531 00:21:14,266 --> 00:21:17,966 is Republicans have been in charge for 20 years. 532 00:21:17,966 --> 00:21:19,566 Are there billions of dollars 533 00:21:19,566 --> 00:21:23,133 of efficiencies still in state government or inefficiencies? 534 00:21:23,133 --> 00:21:24,800 And, and if so, why? 535 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,033 Because they've been in charge for 20 years. 536 00:21:27,033 --> 00:21:30,933 So acting like you can find billions in inefficiencies is, 537 00:21:30,933 --> 00:21:32,833 is just not realistic. 538 00:21:32,833 --> 00:21:34,033 And when you cut something 539 00:21:34,033 --> 00:21:35,566 that means someone doesn't get a service. 540 00:21:35,566 --> 00:21:37,566 Whether it means you have to go to the next county, 541 00:21:37,566 --> 00:21:40,166 to the BMV or you, you know, 542 00:21:40,166 --> 00:21:43,333 just various ways you interact with state government. 543 00:21:43,333 --> 00:21:45,733 So, but I, I appreciate the conversation. 544 00:21:45,733 --> 00:21:47,833 I've said for a long time I want candidates 545 00:21:47,833 --> 00:21:51,566 to be making proposals and let's talk about them. So 546 00:21:51,566 --> 00:21:52,866 - Oh yeah, this is absolutely 547 00:21:52,866 --> 00:21:54,133 welcome. Yeah. This is a proposal. Yeah. 548 00:21:54,133 --> 00:21:57,300 - Yeah. - From the week ending September 8th. 549 00:21:59,366 --> 00:22:01,266 Axios Indianapolis reported this week 550 00:22:01,266 --> 00:22:02,800 that a poll commissioned 551 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,133 by democratic gubernatorial candidate Jennifer McCormick 552 00:22:05,133 --> 00:22:06,966 shows her in a tight race 553 00:22:06,966 --> 00:22:09,800 or two with some of the Republican hopefuls. 554 00:22:10,966 --> 00:22:13,533 According to the Axios story, McCormick's poll 555 00:22:13,533 --> 00:22:16,466 of more than 600 registered voters put her in head-to-head 556 00:22:16,466 --> 00:22:18,866 matchups with three GOP candidates. 557 00:22:18,866 --> 00:22:22,100 US Senator Mike Braun, Lieutenant Governor Suzanne Crouch, 558 00:22:22,100 --> 00:22:24,466 and former attorney General Curtis Hill, 559 00:22:24,466 --> 00:22:29,333 McCormick trailed Braun 46 to 35%, trailed crouch 39 560 00:22:29,333 --> 00:22:33,633 to 35%, and was tied with Hill at 36%. 561 00:22:33,633 --> 00:22:35,633 McCormick, who served as Indiana superintendent 562 00:22:35,633 --> 00:22:37,533 of public instruction as a Republican 563 00:22:37,533 --> 00:22:40,000 before switching parties, trails, 564 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,533 the Republican field significantly in fundraising. 565 00:22:44,100 --> 00:22:46,866 John Schwantes, is taking any poll paid for by a candidate 566 00:22:46,866 --> 00:22:50,466 with an enormous grain of salt, as we always do. 567 00:22:50,466 --> 00:22:52,000 Looking at all of the people 568 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,433 who were mentioned in this poll has Mike Braun got the reason 569 00:22:54,433 --> 00:22:55,600 to be the happiest with these results, 570 00:22:57,066 --> 00:23:00,566 - I suppose better to be in the position he's in than, 571 00:23:00,566 --> 00:23:02,533 than than the second slot, third slot. 572 00:23:02,533 --> 00:23:05,100 But going back to a point that Niki made a moment ago 573 00:23:05,100 --> 00:23:06,600 with the momentum she has seen, 574 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:11,400 and we've all seen with the, the, the upstart in this, 575 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,733 in this race, the Chambers campaign, if that, you know, 576 00:23:14,733 --> 00:23:16,700 that wasn't really not on the, on 577 00:23:16,700 --> 00:23:18,200 - The horizon. Well, he hasn't even announced 578 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,433 - He's not, so it was not mixed in, not a factor. 579 00:23:20,433 --> 00:23:22,833 So who's to say if we had the same campaign 580 00:23:22,833 --> 00:23:24,433 or the same poll conducted now, 581 00:23:24,433 --> 00:23:25,900 it would give the same results. 582 00:23:25,900 --> 00:23:27,766 I don't know the answer to that, obviously, 583 00:23:27,766 --> 00:23:30,033 but I guess to answer your question, better 584 00:23:30,033 --> 00:23:33,600 to be first place and the most viable candidate. 585 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,100 But you know what, these, to your point, 586 00:23:36,100 --> 00:23:37,700 polls at this stage, look at, 587 00:23:37,700 --> 00:23:40,633 we had CNN this week saying Nikki Haley was the only 588 00:23:40,633 --> 00:23:42,900 Republican at the presidential level who might be able 589 00:23:42,900 --> 00:23:46,600 to beat, or at least statistically could be true, 590 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:47,733 could beat Joe Biden and she 591 00:23:47,733 --> 00:23:48,666 - Won't be the nominee - And she 592 00:23:48,666 --> 00:23:49,866 won't even be the nominee. So 593 00:23:49,866 --> 00:23:51,166 - Something crazy would have to happen. 594 00:23:51,166 --> 00:23:53,133 - Well, there's a lot crazy at Yeah, but 595 00:23:53,133 --> 00:23:54,666 - There's a long time until the, 596 00:23:54,666 --> 00:23:56,466 - But that's the point of polls right now. I mean, its fun 597 00:23:56,466 --> 00:23:58,033 - To talk about. 598 00:23:58,033 --> 00:23:59,266 To that end, if you're, if you're Jennifer McCormick, 599 00:23:59,266 --> 00:24:01,066 you've put out a poll, you've decided to, 600 00:24:01,066 --> 00:24:03,133 you did a private poll that you've decided to talk 601 00:24:03,133 --> 00:24:05,400 to at least one press outlet about knowing 602 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:06,700 that it'll be reported elsewhere. 603 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,233 And you're losing by, what was it, 11 604 00:24:09,233 --> 00:24:11,733 or 12 to one of the, to one of the front runners 605 00:24:11,733 --> 00:24:13,533 for the GOP nomination? 606 00:24:14,666 --> 00:24:17,166 Explain, explain the logic of that to me. 607 00:24:17,166 --> 00:24:21,533 - Yeah, I mean I think you just in their minds, you know 608 00:24:21,533 --> 00:24:23,900 what, a democrat hasn't won a statewide 609 00:24:23,900 --> 00:24:26,300 elected position here in years. 610 00:24:26,300 --> 00:24:30,966 And so even if you show them near the top, can, I mean, 611 00:24:30,966 --> 00:24:32,266 definitely showed her 612 00:24:32,266 --> 00:24:33,266 - Oh yeah. 613 00:24:33,266 --> 00:24:34,466 Right, right. By crowd and 614 00:24:34,466 --> 00:24:35,866 - By Crouch, by- and Todd with Hills. 615 00:24:35,866 --> 00:24:37,400 So, you know, 616 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,566 I think the most I would take from it is she has great name 617 00:24:40,566 --> 00:24:43,866 recognition, which I, I'm not too surprised by. 618 00:24:43,866 --> 00:24:45,200 She's our four years as su- 619 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:46,966 superintendent of public instruction. Obviously 620 00:24:46,966 --> 00:24:48,600 - I wasn't quiet during those four. No, 621 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,166 - Not at all. She well regarded. 622 00:24:50,166 --> 00:24:52,266 - So that's something they can build on 623 00:24:52,266 --> 00:24:53,766 and maybe fundraise on. 624 00:24:53,766 --> 00:24:56,600 - Yeah. To that end, is this poll really about proving 625 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,800 to some people who you're trying to ask for money 626 00:24:58,800 --> 00:24:59,933 that Hey, I am 627 00:24:59,933 --> 00:25:01,166 - By, I'm in the race. 628 00:25:01,166 --> 00:25:02,533 I'm in the race. That's what it shows. 629 00:25:02,533 --> 00:25:04,666 She, it not only has name recognition, 630 00:25:04,666 --> 00:25:06,566 but she has positive name recognition 631 00:25:06,566 --> 00:25:08,566 and I, I think that's something that she can market. 632 00:25:08,566 --> 00:25:11,600 The fact that Braun is a sitting senator can get what, 633 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,300 36% of the vote? 634 00:25:13,300 --> 00:25:16,066 Yeah. Okay. Is is not an overwhelming endorsement 635 00:25:16,066 --> 00:25:17,300 of him. I think it 636 00:25:17,300 --> 00:25:18,300 - Was more than - That, but yeah. 637 00:25:18,300 --> 00:25:19,800 Was it? I thought it was, 638 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,733 - I thought she had 36 and he had something. It's, anyway, 639 00:25:21,733 --> 00:25:22,966 - He had a 10 point, - He didn't have 640 00:25:22,966 --> 00:25:23,966 - Over 50. 641 00:25:23,966 --> 00:25:25,233 I wrote this story. 642 00:25:25,233 --> 00:25:26,166 It's not like I should remember the numbers. 643 00:25:26,166 --> 00:25:26,966 - Numbers are not our game 644 00:25:26,966 --> 00:25:28,433 - Numbers anyway. 645 00:25:28,433 --> 00:25:31,200 My my point is that she shows that she's viable and, 646 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:32,600 and she can raise the money. 647 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,366 And we don't know that Braun's gonna be the nominee. 648 00:25:34,366 --> 00:25:36,266 I I've said this repeatedly. 649 00:25:36,266 --> 00:25:38,100 I think it's gonna be Suzanne Crouch, 650 00:25:38,100 --> 00:25:39,266 in which case it's a dead 651 00:25:39,266 --> 00:25:40,800 - End. 652 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,000 To that point, I, and you mentioned it was too late 653 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,600 for Chambers, or he hadn't announced 654 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:44,800 yet before this poll was available. 655 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,700 But I really would've been fascinated 656 00:25:46,700 --> 00:25:49,800 to see her numbers against like an Eric Doden, not saying 657 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,433 that he's going to win, but you have one person with little 658 00:25:52,433 --> 00:25:54,566 to no name ID versus you. 659 00:25:54,566 --> 00:25:56,000 How do those numbers match up? I agree. 660 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,966 If somebody that you might not be as familiar, 661 00:25:57,966 --> 00:25:59,900 you might not know his political standing as well. 662 00:25:59,900 --> 00:26:01,133 Yeah. How do you match up with 663 00:26:01,133 --> 00:26:02,400 him? And I think that could have been, 664 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:03,633 - And that would be the same thing with 665 00:26:03,633 --> 00:26:04,866 Chambers. 'cause I bet you if you put Chambers 666 00:26:04,866 --> 00:26:06,000 - On - That 10% 667 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,966 - Could, - But I think I, I think 668 00:26:07,966 --> 00:26:10,200 that could have been a better maybe talking point than 669 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:11,366 showing yourself down. 670 00:26:12,466 --> 00:26:15,066 - That's Indiana Week in Review for this week. 671 00:26:15,066 --> 00:26:17,300 You can find Indiana Week in Review's podcast 672 00:26:17,300 --> 00:26:20,933 and episodes at wfyi.org/iwir 673 00:26:21,900 --> 00:26:23,566 or on the PBS app. 674 00:26:23,566 --> 00:26:26,133 I'm Brandon Smith of Indiana Public Broadcasting. 675 00:26:26,133 --> 00:26:28,966 Enjoy the rest of your holiday weekend and join us next time 676 00:26:28,966 --> 00:26:31,566 because a lot can happen in an Indiana Week. 677 00:26:33,133 --> 00:26:36,833 - The opinions expressed are solely those of the panelists. 678 00:26:36,833 --> 00:26:41,000 Indiana Week in Review is a WFYI production in association 679 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,466 with Indiana's public Broadcasting stations.