>> BANNING TRANS STUDENTS FROM

 

SPORTS.

 

ABSENTEE MAIL-IN VOTING

 

RESTRICTED.

 

PLUS, CHANGES TO THE SCHOOL

 

CURRICULUM BILL AND MORE ON

 

INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW FOR THE

 

WEEK ENDING JANUARY 28, 2022.

 

>> INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW IS

 

MADE POSSIBLE BY THE SUPPORTERS

 

OF INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING

 

STATIONS.

 

>> THIS WEEK, PROTESTS ERUPTED

 

IN THE INDIANA HOUSE CHAMBER

 

FOLLOWING A COMMITTEE'S APPROVAL

 

OF A BILL RESTRICTING

 

TRANSGENDER GIRLS' ACCESS TO

 

SCHOOL SPORTS. THE VOTE CAME

 

AFTER HOURS OF TESTIMONY FROM

 

HOOSIERS WHO MOSTLY OPPOSE THE

 

MEASURE.

 

>> THE LEGISLATION WOULD

 

PROHIBIT TRANSGENDER GIRLS FROM

 

JOINING GIRLS SCHOOL SPORTS

 

TEAMS. REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE

 

MICHELLE DAVIS IS ITS AUTHOR.

 

>> REP. MICHELLE DAVIS

 

(R-WHITELAND): THE PURPOSE OF

 

THIS BILL IS TO MAINTAIN FAIR

 

COMPETITION IN GIRLS SPORTS.

 

>> BUT MANY PEOPLE OPPOSED TO

 

THE BILL SAY IT'S ANOTHER WAY TO

 

DISCRIMINATE AGAINST AN

 

ESPECIALLY VULNERABLE GROUP OF

 

CHILDREN. CHRIS PAULSEN FROM

 

INDIANA YOUTH GROUP JOINED

 

SEVERAL OTHERS WHO POINTED OUT

 

THE MENTAL HEALTH RISKS

 

TRANSGENDER YOUTH FACE,

 

ESPECIALLY WHEN THEIR IDENTITY

 

IS TARGETED BY POLITICIANS.

 

>> CHRIS PAULSEN: THE TREVOR

 

PROJECT'S 2021 SURVEY OF NEARLY

 

35 THOUSAND YOUTH AGES 13 TO 24

 

SHOW THAT MORE THAN 50 PERCENT

 

OF TRANSGENDER YOUTH HAVE

 

SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED SUICIDE IN

 

THE PAST YEAR.

 

>> THE BILL

 

PASSED THE FULL HOUSE THURSDAY.

 

WHAT PROBLEM IS THIS BILL

 

SOLVING?

 

IT'S THE FIRST QUESTION FOR OUR

 

INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW PANE.L

 

DEMOCRAT ANN DELANEY.

 

REPUBLICAN MIKE O'BRIEN.

 

JON SCHWANTES, HOST OF INDIANA

 

LAWMAKERS, AND NIKI KELLY,

 

STATEHOUSE REPORTER FOR THE FORT

 

WAYNE JOURNAL GAZETTE.

 

I'M INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING

 

STATEHOUSE REPORTER BRANDON

 

SMITH.

 

ANN DELANEY, DOESN'T THE IHSAA

 

ALREADY HAVE A PROCESS IN PLACE

 

TO DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE?

 

DO THEY NOT?

 

>> THEY DO.

 

IT'S A VERY GOOD PROCESS, AS A

 

MATTER OF FACT.

 

THIS ISN'T ABOUT FAIRNESS, IT'S

 

ABOUT HATRED.

 

I THINK REPRESENTATIVE TONYA

 

PFAFF SAID IT VERY WELL.

 

IT'S A SOLUTION IN SEARCH OF A

 

PROBLEM.

 

THEY COULDN'T EVEN POINT TO

 

SOMEONE DEFINITIVELY WHO FIT

 

INTO THIS CATEGORY.

 

AND THE IDEA THAT YOU HAVE

 

HUNDREDS OF TEENAGE BOYS LINING

 

UP TO GET SEX CHANGE OPERATIONS,

 

AND THE TRAUMA THAT THAT

 

CHANGE -- THE CHANGES THAT THAT

 

MEANS TO THEIR LIVES GOING

 

FORWARD, ALL TO PLAY HIGH SCHOOL

 

BASKETBALL IS RIDICULOUS.

 

I MEAN, SHE IS SINGLING OUT

 

PEOPLE JUST TO SHOW THAT SHE IS,

 

AGAIN, FAR TO THE RIGHT, WHICH

 

IS WHERE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS

 

ON THIS.

 

AND THE DEMOCRATS WERE UNANIMOUS

 

ON OPPOSING THIS AS THEY SHOULD

 

BE.

 

BECAUSE IT DOES DISCRIMINATE.

 

AND BY THE WAY, IT ONLY

 

DISCRIMINATES ONE WAY, IT

 

DISCRIMINATES AGAINST BOYS WHO

 

HAVE THE SEX CHANGE OPERATION

 

BECOME GIRLS.

 

WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER?

 

THAT DOES OCCUR.

 

ARE WE GOING TO SAY IT IS OKAY

 

FOR THEM TO PLAY, OR ARE THEY

 

SAYING WOMEN AREN'T VERY GOOD AT

 

SPORTS ANYWAY, SO IT DOESN'T

 

MATTER IN THAT CONTEXT.

 

THE WHOLE BILL IS RIDICULOUS.

 

ALL IT DOES IS STIR UP THE

 

REPUBLICAN BASE TO HATE ANOTHER

 

GROUP OF CHILDREN WHO HAVE THEIR

 

PROBLEMS, AND HAVE THEIR

 

ADVERSITY TO FACE ON THEIR OWN

 

WITHOUT THIS ADDITIONAL BURDEN.

 

>> MIKE O'BRIEN, FAIRNESS AND

 

COMPETITION IS WHAT WE HEARD

 

FROM THE PROPONENTS OF THIS

 

BILL.

 

ARE YOU BUYING THAT?

 

>> FIRST, I DON'T THINK THIS IS

 

DRIVEN BY HATRED AT ALL.

 

I THINK IT IS DRIVEN BY

 

MISUNDERSTANDING, FEAR, CONCERN

 

FOR WHAT'S HAPPENING IN SOME

 

SCHOOLS.

 

AND THE POLITICS OF THIS, ANN'S

 

WRONG, THIS ISN'T FAR RIGHT.

 

WHAT IS DRIVING THIS ARE

 

COMMUNITIES THAT ARE

 

TRADITIONALLY MODERATE, DRIVING

 

A LOT OF THE CONCERN HERE WHERE

 

YOU HAVE A VERY VOCAL

 

TRANSGENDER COMMUNITY.

 

I THINK IF YOU WENT TO PLACES

 

THAT WE BELIEVE ARE

 

TRANSITIONING FROM A REPUBLICAN

 

TO A DEMOCRAT AREA, MAYBE PURPLE

 

AREAS, THE -- THEY WERE MAYBE, I

 

THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE

 

POLITICAL DIAGRAM OF THESE

 

PEOPLE, FOR GAY MARRIAGE AND

 

AGAINST TRANSGENDER ATHLETES.

 

IS THIS A SOLUTION IN SEARCH OF

 

A PROBLEM?

 

THERE IS NO EXAMPLES OF THIS

 

HERE.

 

I DO THINK REPRESENTATIVE DAVIS

 

IS CORRECT THAT WE'RE HEADING

 

THAT DIRECTION WHERE THIS IS

 

GOING TO BE A PROBLEM.

 

AGAIN, ANN, I STRUGGLE WITH

 

THIS.

 

I WAS WAY OUT IN FRONT ON THE

 

GAY MARRIAGE ISSUE, WORKED WITH

 

CHRIS PAULSEN IF YOU LOOK AT

 

PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THEY ARE NOT

 

HATEFUL, VERY REASONABLE AND

 

LOOK AT THIS ISSUE AND SAY I

 

JUST DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT YET.

 

>> YOU THINK THAT'S THE

 

MOTIVATING FACTOR FOR A SEX

 

CHANGE OPERATION, TO PLAY

 

SPORTS?

 

>> I THINK IF -- IT'S HARD

 

ENOUGH TO BE A TEENAGER, IF

 

YO'RE TRANSGENDER IT IS

 

IMPOSSIBLE.

 

IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH

 

THAT PROCESS, IT'S -- THAT'S A

 

MONUMENTAL THING IN YOUR LIFE, I

 

DON'T THINK PLAYING MEN'S

 

BASKETBALL IS THE NEXT THING ON

 

YOUR LIST.

 

>> NIKI KELLY, AS WE'VE HEARD

 

NOW, DEBATE IN THE COMMITTEE,

 

AND THEN ON THE FLOOR, ARE

 

REPUBLICANS WHO ARE PUSHING THIS

 

BILL DOING A GOOD JOB TO

 

INDICATING THIS IS -- THESE ARE

 

THE EXACT REASONS WHY WE NEED

 

IT?

 

>> WELL, I MEAN, THEY'RE

 

FOCUSING ON ONE THING ONLY,

 

WHICH IS THEY'RE SAYING THERE IS

 

UNFAIR PERFORMANCE EDGES.

 

THAT SOMEONE WHO IS BORN A MALE,

 

HAS BETTER LUNG CAPACITY,

 

TALLER, MORE MUSCLE MASS, THINGS

 

LIKE THAT.

 

THEY'RE FOCUSING ON SORT OF THE

 

ADVANTAGES THAT THAT WOULD GIVE

 

IF THEY WOULD THEN TRANSITION TO

 

A FEMALE SPORT.

 

THE FASCINATING PART ABOUT MOST

 

OF IT, THERE ARE EXAMPLES OUT

 

THERE THAT CAUSE ISSUES, BUT

 

MOSTLY IN COLLEGIATE SPORTS, THE

 

BILL ORIGINALLY COVERED COLLEGE

 

SPORTS, THEY TOOK IT OUT WITHOUT

 

A WORD OF EXPLANATION.

 

I THINK WE CAN ALL SURMISE THAT

 

THE NCAA WAS PROBABLY NOT A FAN

 

OF IT.

 

THAT'S THE ARENA WHERE WE'RE

 

SEEING SOME OF THESE ISSUES

 

HAPPEN MORE THAN IN HIGH SCHOOL.

 

AND MIDDLE SCHOOL.

 

>> JON SCHWANTES -- WE'VE

 

SEEN --

 

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY THERE IS

 

NOTHING FAIR, I'M SORRY, GO

 

AHEAD.

 

>> WE'VE SEEN OTHER BILLS LIKE

 

THIS AROUND THE COUNTRY, SOME A

 

LOT STRICTER THAN THIS ONE.

 

A LOT OF THOSE BILLS HAVE

 

RECEIVED A LOT MORE NATIONAL

 

ATTENTION THAN I FEEL LIKE

 

INDIANA'S BILL IS GETTING.

 

NOT SAYING IT IS GETTING NO

 

ATTENTION, BUT CERTAINLY NOT ON

 

THE SCALE OF OTHER STATES.

 

WHY IS THIS ONE SORT OF FLYING

 

UNDER THE RADAR?

 

>> I THINK IF INDIANA HAD BEEN

 

THE FIRST STATE TO ADDRESS THIS

 

IN A LEGISLATIVE FASHION OR AT

 

LEAST THROUGH A PROPOSED

 

LEGISLATION, IT PROBABLY WOULD

 

HAVE BEEN A PROMINENT NATIONAL

 

STORY.

 

YOU KNOW, WE COULD GET IN

 

DISCUSSIONS OF WHY VARIOUS

 

EDITORIAL DECISIONS ARE MADE AND

 

WHAT CONSTITUTES NEWS.

 

AS EACH STATE WRESTLES WITH

 

THIS, IT PROBABLY BECOMES -- I'M

 

NOT SAYING IT IS ANY LESS

 

SIGNIFICANT TO THE PEOPLE

 

AFFECTED BY THE POTENTIAL LAW,

 

BUT IN TERMS OF IT BEING A

 

NATIONAL NEWS STORY, IT STARTS

 

TO DIMINISH A BIT.

 

AND I THINK IT'S MORE -- IF YOU

 

LOOK AT IT NARROWLY ABOUT THE

 

COVERAGE IT RECEIVED, IT IS MORE

 

ABOUT THAT PROBABLY THAN

 

ANYTHING MORE NUANCED ABOUT THE

 

FINE POINTS OF THE BILL HERE ARE

 

HOW IT'S BEING DEBATED.

 

>> I WANT TO JUST MAKE ONE

 

POINT, THERE IS NOTHING FAIR

 

ABOUT SPORTS RIGHT NOW.

 

IF YOUR PARENTS HAVE THE MONEY,

 

THEY PUT YOU ON A TRAVELING TEAM

 

AND TAKE YOU PLACES, PAY FOR

 

SUMMER CAMPS, YOU HAVE A

 

TREMENDOUS ADVANTAGE OVER KIDS

 

WHOSE PARENTS DON'T HAVE THOSE

 

RESOURCES.

 

NOBODY IS WORRIED ABOUT THE

 

FAIRNESS OF THAT PART OF IT,

 

WHICH I FIND REALLY KIND OF

 

IRONIC

 

>> I AM SURPRISED THAT ANN MADE

 

THE POINT EARLIER ABOUT HOW THE

 

BILL IS CRAFTED SO IT DEALS ONLY

 

WITH INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE ARE

 

BORN GENETICALLY BORN AS MALES,

 

AND ARE TRANSITIONING TO FEMALE.

 

IT DOES SEEM THAT IF IN FACT

 

THIS IS ALL ABOUT FAIRNESS, ONE

 

COULD ARGUE THAT THE BILL SHOULD

 

BE BROADENED, AT LEAST THE

 

LANGUAGE, TO SAY IF YOU'RE

 

COMPETING OUTSIDE THE SPORT

 

CLASSIFICATION IN WHICH YOU WERE

 

BORN.

 

I CAN SEE PEOPLE SAYING THIS IS

 

PICKING -- NARROWLY DEFINING THE

 

LAW IN A WAY IT SHOULDN'T BE.

 

>>

 

TIME NOW FOR VIEWER FEEDBACK.

 

EACH WEEK WE POSE AN

 

UNSCIENTIFIC, ONLINE POLL

 

QUESTION.

 

THIS WEEK'S QUESTION:

 

SHOULD TRANSGENDER STUDENTS BE

 

BANNED FROM PARTICIPATING IN

 

GIRLS' HIGH SCHOOL SPORTS?

 

A, YES, OR B, NO.

 

LAST WEEK'S QUESTION:

 

WILL THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY

 

ELIMINATE INDIANA'S LICENSE

 

REQUIREMENT TO CARRY A HANDGUN

 

THIS YEAR?

 

THIS ONE WAS CLOSER THAN I WAS

 

EXPECTING, 44% YES, 56 NO.

 

I SUGGEST THE CHANCES ARE A LOT

 

HIGHER THAN THAT, BUT WE'LL FIND

 

OUT IN THE COMING WEEKS.

 

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TAKE PART

 

IN THE POLL GO TO WFYI.ORG/IWIR

 

AND LOOK FOR THE POLL.

 

CHANGES TO AN ELECTIONS BILL IN

 

A HOUSE COMMITTEE THIS WEEK WILL

 

MAKE IT HARDER FOR HOOSIERS TO

 

VOTE ABSENTEE BY MAIL.

 

>> THE WAYS AND MEANS COMMITTEE

 

APPROVED LANGUAGE THAT SAYS, IF

 

YOU WANT TO VOTE ABSENTEE BY

 

MAIL, YOU MUST ATTEST THAT YOU

 

WON'T BE AVAILABLE ON ELECTION

 

DAY OR - AND THIS IS THE NEW

 

PART - ANY TIME IN THE 28 DAYS

 

BEFORE THE ELECTION, WHEN EARLY

 

VOTING IS AVAILABLE.

 

REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE TIM

 

WESCO.

 

>> REP. TIM WESCO (R-OSCEOLA): I

 

BELIEVE THE BEST POLICY IS TO

 

ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO VOTE IN

 

PERSON, WHETHER ON ELECTION DAY

 

OR IN PERSON EARLY, AS MUCH AS

 

POSSIBLE.

 

>> DEMOCRATIC REPRESENTATIVE ED

 

DELANEY SAYS THAT PUTS A GREATER

 

BURDEN ON VOTERS, PARTICULARLY

 

IN COUNTIES WITH FEW EARLY

 

VOTING LOCATIONS. AND HE

 

QUESTIONED WHY THE CHANGE IS

 

NECESSARY.

 

>> REP. ED

 

DELANEY(D-INDIANAPOLIS): I THINK

 

THE ANSWER'S APPARENT. THE

 

ANSWER IS, WE WANT TO REDUCE THE

 

NUMBER OF VOTERS. WHY DON'T YOU

 

JUST SAY THAT.

 

>> THE BILL IS UP FOR PASSAGE IN

 

THE HOUSE NEXT WEEK.

 

>> MIKE O'BRIEN, WHY NOT JUST

 

GET RID OF ABSENTEE MAIL-IN

 

VOTING ENTIRELY?

 

I'M NOT GOING TO BE AVAILABLE

 

ELECTION DAY OR 28 DAYS BEFORE.

 

>> I ALWAYS THOUGHT THIS WAS A

 

WEIRD DEAL, THIS -- BECAUSE I

 

ALWAYS VOTED ABSENTEE, OR VOTE

 

IN PERSON EARLY.

 

I WAS NEVER AVAILABLE ON

 

ELECTION DAY.

 

I WAS ALWAYS WORKING ELECTIONS,

 

MIGHT AS WELL TAKE THE EASY WAY

 

OUT HERE AND -- NOW I CAN'T

 

ANYMORE WITHOUT JUST STRAIGHT UP

 

BEING -- VIOLATING THE SPIRIT OF

 

THE LAW BEFORE.

 

THE ACTUALLY LETTER.

 

THAT WAS THE POINT BEFORE, BEING

 

UNAVAILABLE WHEN GIVEN THE

 

OPPORTUNITY IN PERSON.

 

I'M A TRADITIONALIST, I

 

THINK -- I WOULD THINK WE MADE

 

IT WIDELY AND WILDLY AVAILABLE

 

VOTING IN THE LAST 20 YEARS IN

 

THIS STATE, CONTRARY TO WHAT

 

DEMOCRATS THINK, WHETHER VOTE

 

CENTERS OR SATELLITE VOTING,

 

EARLY VOTING FOR 30 DAYS, OR

 

VOTING ON ELECTION DAY, WHICH IS

 

WHAT WE DID TO START, IT WASN'T

 

THAT LONG AGO THAT WE DID THAT.

 

VAST OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE IN THIS

 

STATE.

 

FRANKLY I DON'T HAVE SOME

 

IDEOLOGICAL RIGID -- AS TIM

 

WESCO SAID, WE HAVE BEEN LIVING

 

ON THE HONOR SYSTEM FOREVER, I

 

THINK IT HAS WORKED.

 

BOTH PARTIES HAVE THEIR OWN

 

OPERATIONS THAT RECRUIT THEIR

 

OWN VOTERS TO VOTE ABSENTEE AND

 

VOTE EARLY.

 

SOME PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THAT,

 

THEY'RE TRADITIONALISTS WHO WANT

 

VOTING ON ELECTION DAY, THE

 

ELECTION OSTENSIBLY ENDS 30 DAYS

 

BEFORE ELECTION DAY FOR A LOT OF

 

PEOPLE, CAMPAIGNS DON'T LIKE

 

THAT, CANDIDATES DON'T LIKE

 

THAT, THE ENVIRONMENT CAN

 

CHANGE, THIS AND THAT.

 

I DON'T THINK THIS WAS

 

NECESSARILY BROKEN IN INDIANA.

 

BUT I DO THINK CONTRARY TO WHAT

 

DEMOCRATS THINK, WE HAVE MADE IT

 

MUCH EASIER TO VOTE IN INDIANA

 

OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS.

 

>> [LAUGHTER] HOLD THAT THOUGHT.

 

>> I KNOW YOU DISAGREE WITH WHAT

 

MIKE SAID.

 

TIM WESCO REFERENCED.

 

INDIANA DOES THIS ABSENTEE

 

VOTING LARGELY ON THE -- NOBODY

 

IS CHECKING THIS.

 

IS THIS REALLY GOING TO AFFECT

 

HOW VOTERS VOTE?

 

>> WELL, YOU COULD HAVE A

 

SITUATION WHERE SOMEBODY FINDS

 

OUT THAT THE PERSON WHO SENT IN

 

AN ABSENTEE BALLOT WAS PRESENT

 

AND HAS A GRUDGE AGAINST THAT

 

PERSON.

 

THERE ARE CRIMINALS -- IF YOU

 

CHANGE YOUR MIND OR YOU THINK

 

YOU'RE GOING TO BE HERE, OR YOU

 

THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE GONE

 

AND YOU'RE HERE, THERE ARE ALL

 

KINDS OF THINGS WHERE SOMEBODY

 

COULD MAKE TROUBLE BASED ON A

 

CRIMINAL PROSECUTION NOW, THE

 

HONOR SYSTEM APPARENTLY IS NO

 

LONGER GOOD ENOUGH FOR THIS

 

STATE REPRESENTATIVE.

 

HE WANTS CRIMINAL PROSECUTION.

 

BUT IT'S INTERESTING THAT THIS

 

CAME OUT THE SAME WEEK THAT THE

 

CIVIC HEALTH INDEX CAME OUT, AND

 

INDIANA, DESPITE WHAT MIKE SAID,

 

HAS GONE FROM BEING 41st IN THE

 

STATE -- AMONG THE STATES TO

 

46th IN THE STATE.

 

YEARS AGO, YEARS AGO, WE WERE IN

 

THE TOP 10 IN TERMS OF TURNOUT.

 

NOW, NOT ONLY THE BOTTOM 10,

 

WE'RE IN THE BOTTOM 5.

 

SO WE HAVE NOT MADE IT EASIER

 

FOR PEOPLE TO VOTE.

 

WE HAVE PUT REPEATED OBSTACLES

 

IN THE WAY OF PEOPLE VOTING.

 

>> THOSE STATS DON'T MATTER.

 

>> PARENTS DON'T -- REPUBLICANS

 

DON'T WANT EVERYONE TO VOTE.

 

>> WHAT'S THE NUMBER ONE FACTOR

 

IN VOTER MOTIVATION?

 

>> AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

 

AND THE CIVIC HEALTH INDEX

 

ITSELF SHOWS HOW MUCH WE'VE

 

SLIPPED.

 

>> I THINK IT SHOWS HOW WE HAVE

 

NO COMPETITIVE DEMOCRATIC PARTY

 

IN INDIANA.

 

BECAUSE THE NUMBER ONE REASON TO

 

GO VOTE IS BECAUSE IT'S

 

COMPETITIVE, NOT BECAUSE OF

 

GERRYMANDERING.

 

>> IT IS EXACTLY BECAUSE OF

 

GERRYMANDERING.

 

THAT IS WHY THERE IS NO

 

COMPETITION.

 

BECAUSE YOU GERRYMANDERED IT SO

 

WELL.

 

>> YOU'RE A THIRD PLACE PARTY,

 

ANN.

 

WE HAVE TO COMPETE WITH OTHER

 

CONSERVATIVES

 

>> YOU WOULD THINK THAT YOU

 

WOULD BE HAPPY ENOUGH THAT THE

 

GERRYMANDERING RESULTS THAT YOU

 

WOULD ALSO HAVE TO RESTRICT

 

REGISTRATION AND VOTING, BUT

 

THAT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU GUYS.

 

>> YOU'RE JUST ABSURD.

 

>> JON SCHWANTES, DO YOU FEEL

 

LIKE THIS IS -- I FEEL LIKE I'M

 

ASKING A SIMILAR QUESTION THAT I

 

ASKED ON THE LAST TOPIC.

 

WHAT IS THE NEED FOR THIS

 

LEGISLATION?

 

>> PROBABLY NO NEED.

 

THE MOTIVATION, I THINK, IS CUT

 

AND DRIED.

 

REPUBLICANS WANT FEWER PEOPLE TO

 

VOTE.

 

THAT IS WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.

 

LET'S NOT BEAT AROUND THE BUSH.

 

IT'S -- I AGREE WITH MIKE THAT

 

IDEALLY WE'D ALL -- I LOVE THE

 

TRADITION OF EVERYBODY GOING TO

 

THE POLLS ON ELECTION DAY.

 

IN FACT, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A

 

BIPARTISAN COMMISSION, FEDERAL

 

COMMISSION, I THINK IT WAS

 

CO-CHAIRED MAYBE BY GERALD FORD

 

AND JIMMY CARTER, LET'S MAKE

 

THIS SOMETHING SPECIAL THAT

 

EVERYBODY WORKS TOGETHER.

 

I WOULD LOVE THAT, WE DON'T LIVE

 

IN LA LA LAND.

 

SEEMS TO ME, WELL, WE CAN DEBATE

 

THE VOTER SECURITY.

 

BUT WE CAN'T DEBATE THE

 

MOTIVATION HERE, WHICH IS TO

 

REDUCE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE

 

VOTING.

 

THAT IS PRETTY CLEAR.

 

>> NIKI KELLY, TIM WESCO KIND OF

 

INDIRECTLY CAST SOME DOUBT ON

 

THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF

 

MAIL-IN VOTING DURING THAT HOUSE

 

COMMITTEE.

 

IS THERE ANY WIDE EVIDENCE OF

 

WIDESPREAD VOTER FRAUD WHEN IT

 

COMES TO MAIL-IN VOTING.

 

WE HAVE STATES WHO FOR TWO

 

DECADES HAVE BEEN DOING

 

EXCLUSIVELY MAIL-IN VOTING?

 

>> NO, THERE ISN'T.

 

SURE, YOU CAN ALWAYS FIND AN

 

OCCASIONAL INSTANCE HERE OR

 

THERE.

 

SOMETIMES IT IS ON THE

 

REPUBLICAN SIDE AND SOMETIMES ON

 

THE DEMOCRAT SIDE.

 

ONE THING I DO WANT TO NOTE WITH

 

THIS WHOLE NOTION OF THE ENTIRE

 

MONTH BEFORE YOU CAN VOTE.

 

THIS 28 DAYS THING.

 

FOR A LOT OF COUNTIES, THOUGH,

 

THAT -- YOU CAN'T VOTE ALL 28

 

DAYS.

 

A LOT OF COUNTIES JUST HAVE

 

SATURDAY VOTING.

 

REALLY THAT'S FOUR ADDITIONAL

 

DAYS YOU CAN VOTE.

 

NOT 28.

 

SO REALLY IS A WIDE VARIETY,

 

DEPENDING WHERE YOU LIVE.

 

>> YEAH.

 

NOT JUST WHAT DAYS, EVEN WHAT

 

HOURS, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

 

SOME DAYS IT'S FOUR HOURS IN THE

 

MORNING.

 

>> WE SHOULD PROBABLY POINT OUT

 

DONALD TRUMP RELIED ON MAIL-IN

 

VOTING MOST OF HIS LIFE,

 

CERTAINLY IN THE LAST ELECTION.

 

>> PROBABLY CORRUPT

 

>> THE INDIANA HOUSE APPROVED A

 

CONTROVERSIAL SCHOOL CONTENT AND

 

CURRICULUM BILL THIS WEEK.

 

INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING'S

 

JEANIE LINDSAY REPORTS,

 

LAWMAKERS PASSED THE MEASURE

 

AFTER MORE THAN AN HOUR AND A

 

PHALF OF DISCUSSION ON THE HOUS

 

FLOOR.

 

>> LAWMAKERS MADE A FEW CHANGES

 

TO HOUSE BILL 1134 BEFORE THE

 

HOUSE APPROVED IT. BILL AUTHOR

 

REP. TONY COOK SAYS THEY AIM TO

 

ADDRESS CONCERNS THAT THE BILL

 

WOULD ADD ONTO SCHOOLS'

 

WORKLOADS OR PREVENT TEACHERS

 

FROM CONDEMNING RACISM. BUT

 

CONCERNS PERSISTED FROM SOME

 

LAWMAKERS, LIKE REPRESENTATIVE

 

CAROLYN JACKSON, ABOUT HOW THE

 

OVERALL LEGISLATION COULD IMPACT

 

SCHOOLS - ESPECIALLY AS THE

 

PANDEMIC CONTINUES.

 

>> REP. CAROLYN JACKSON

 

(D-HAMMOND): I THINK WE NEED TO

 

STEP BACK AND LOOK AT THE

 

SITUATION BEFORE WE CREATE

 

ANOTHER OBSTACLE AND FALL ON OUR

 

FACE.

 

>> MANY LAWMAKERS OPPOSED TO THE

 

BILL WORRY IT COULD REDUCE THE

 

NUMBER OF TEACHERS WILLING TO

 

WORK IN THE STATE. THE HOUSE

 

APPROVED THE LEGISLATION 60 TO

 

37. IT NOW HEADS TO THE SENATE.

 

>> NIKI KELLY, BEFORE THEY

 

PASSED THE BILL OVER TO THE

 

SENATE, THEY CHANGED THE BILL IN

 

A NINE-PAGE AMENDMENT.

 

ANY TIME YOU HAVE A NINE-PAGE

 

AMENDMENT TO A PIECE OF

 

LEGISLATION, THAT'S A GOOD BILL.

 

CAN YOU GIVE US A SENSE OF THE

 

CHANGES TO THE BILL?

 

>> MOST WERE TWEAKING, IT LIMITS

 

THE DAMAGES, IT WAS TEACHERS

 

HAVING TO POST CURRICULUM, IF

 

THEY STUMBLED UPON AN ARTICLE

 

THE NIGHT BEFORE, DO THEY HAVE

 

TO RUN IMMEDIATELY AND POST IT

 

BEFORE CLASS, OR WILL THEY BE IN

 

VIOLATION OF THE LAW?

 

THEY BACKED THAT DOWN A LITTLE

 

TO BE A LITTLE LESS, I GUESS,

 

ONEROUS, ON THAT SIDE.

 

BUT FOR ALL INTENTS AND

 

PURPOSES, IT IS PRETTY MUCH THE

 

SAME BILL IT'S BEEN THE WHOLE

 

TIME.

 

THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN

 

CHANGING THE DIVISIVE CONCEPT

 

LANGUAGE IN THE BILL, WHICH IS

 

THE WHOLE REASON THERE IS

 

DIVISION ON THE BILL.

 

>> JON SCHWANTES, TO THAT END,

 

THE SENATE KILLED OFF ITS

 

VERSION OF THIS MEASURE.

 

IT SAID THERE WAS NO PATH

 

FORWARD.

 

THAT'S WHAT THE VERY BRIEF 4:00

 

P.M. ON A FRIDAY STATEMENT SAID.

 

IF THERE IS NO PATH FORWARD ON

 

THAT BILL, WHY WOULD THERE BE A

 

PATH FORWARD ON THIS BILL?

 

>> THIS ASSUMES THERE IS.

 

I MEAN, I THINK THE SENATE CAN

 

MAYBE SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE HERE.

 

I THINK THERE IS CLEARLY

 

ENTHUSIASTIC SUPPORT.

 

VARIOUS BILLS HAVE BEEN

 

INTRODUCED, SOME DEAL WITH

 

NARROW PORTIONS OF THIS WHOLE

 

REFORM PACKAGE WITH PARENTAL

 

INVOLVEMENT AND PARENTAL INPUT.

 

OTHERS ARE MUCH BROADER.

 

SO WHAT I THINK WE COULD SEE

 

COME OUT OF THIS IS ATTEMPTS AT

 

MORE TRANSPARENCY.

 

FORMALIZED POSTING OF COURSE

 

LESSONS AND COURSE MATERIALS,

 

CURRICULA.

 

AND INVOLVEMENT, MANDATORY

 

INVOLVEMENT OF THE PUBLIC AND

 

SCHOOL BOARD MEETINGS IN TERMS

 

OF THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A

 

SAY WITHOUT IMPOSING VERY

 

SPECIFIC BUT STILL SUBJECT TO

 

DEBATE GUIDELINES ABOUT WHAT CAN

 

BE TAUGHT OR THE REVIEW PROCESS.

 

BECAUSE WE'RE FOCUSED SO MUCH ON

 

SOCIAL STUDIES, AND LANGUAGE

 

ARTS IF YOU WANT TO PUT IT THAT

 

WAY.

 

IF YOU PUT THE WHOLE CURRICULA

 

TO AN ADVISORY PANEL, I CAN SEE

 

CREATIONISM VERSUS EVOLUTION

 

CREEPING IN.

 

I CAN SEE WHEN YOU HAVE A

 

PERSONAL FINANCE CLASS AND

 

STUDENTS ARE GIVEN A FAKE POT OF

 

MONEY TO LEARN HOW TO INVEST IN

 

THE STOCK MARKET, THERE ARE

 

PEOPLE WHO SAY YOU ARE CREATING

 

A BUNCH OF CUTTHROAT CAPITALISTS

 

WITH NO HEART.

 

THIS WHOLE THING POTENTIALLY,

 

THAT'S A BIT OF AN EXAGGERATION

 

IN TERMS OF REALITY.

 

IT DOES SEEM THAT CRITICS ARE

 

WORRIED A LOT ABOUT GRIDLOCK

 

HERE, AND THE BURDEN THAT WOULD

 

BE CREATED BY THIS MULTI-LAYERED

 

APPROACH TO CURRICULUM APPROVAL.

 

>> MIKE O'BRIEN, IF THE SENATE

 

TOOK OUT THE DIVISIVE CONCEPTS

 

LANGUAGE AND WE WERE LEFT WITH A

 

LITTLE MORE TRANSPARENCY FROM

 

TEACHERS IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY

 

HAVE TO POST ONLINE AND THESE

 

PARENT -- THESE CURRICULUM

 

COMMITTEES THAT PARENTS WOULD

 

PLAY A MAJOR ROLE IN AT THE

 

SCHOOL BOARD AND DISTRICT LEVEL.

 

IF THAT'S ALL THE BILL WAS LEFT

 

WITH, DOES THIS HAVE IS A MUCH

 

EASIER PATH FORWARD?

 

>> PROBABLY.

 

BUT I THINK THE GOAL NEEDS TO BE

 

TRANSPARENCY AND NOT CONTROL FOR

 

PARENTS.

 

AND TAKE THIS OFF THE TEACHER'S

 

PLATE ENTIRELY.

 

MOVE THIS ENTIRELY TO A SCHOOL

 

BOARD, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF

 

PARENTAL COMMITTEE ADVISORY

 

ROLE.

 

BUT WHERE ACCOUNTABILITY IS THE

 

ELECTED SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS

 

ULTIMATELY.

 

LET THEM POST WHAT -- LET THEM

 

DIRECT THE CORPORATION POST WHAT

 

THEY WANT TO POST IN THE LEAST

 

ONEROUS WAY POSSIBLE.

 

PUTTING TEACHERS IN THIS

 

SITUATION, THEY AREN'T PREPPING

 

MONTHS IN ADVANCE, THEY ARE

 

PREPPING THE NIGHT BEFORE, 11:00

 

OR 12:00 AT NIGHT, ONCE THEY GET

 

THEIR OWN KIDS TO BED.

 

THIS HAS GOT TO BE ON

 

TRANSPARENCY.

 

THE ONEROUS HAS GOT TO BE ON THE

 

PARENTS TO DO THE WORK TO GO ASK

 

THOSE QUESTIONS, A LOT OF THEM

 

ARE DOING THAT.

 

THEY'RE DOING IT IN A PRETTY

 

HOSTILE WAY, I WISH IT WAS MORE

 

THOUGHTFUL AND CONSTRUCTIVE.

 

TO PUT THIS ON TEACHER'S PLATE

 

IS TOO MUCH.

 

>> ANN DeLANEY, TO WHAT MIKE

 

JUST TALKED ABOUT, IF THE SENATE

 

CANGES THE BILL TO BE WHAT MIKE

 

JUST INDICATED, TAKING IT OFF

 

THE TEACHERS, FOCUSING ON

 

TRANSPARENCY, IS THAT A GOOD

 

PIECE OF LEGISLATION?

 

>> CERTAINLY BETTER PIECE OF

 

LEGISLATION.

 

THE IDEA THAT YOU'RE GOING TO

 

HAVE THOUGHT CONTROL, AN EQUAL

 

APPROACH TO ANY ISSUE NO MATTER

 

HOW HORRIFIC THAT HAS BEEN IN

 

THE PAST HISTORY OF THE WORLD IS

 

RIDICULOUS.

 

I AGREE WITH MIKE.

 

WE'VE PUT ENOUGH BURDEN ON

 

TEACHERS.

 

IT IS ALREADY A DIFFICULT ENOUGH

 

PROFESSION, MADE MUCH MORE

 

DIFFICULT BY THE PANDEMIC, NOW

 

WE'RE GOING TO ADD ANOTHER LAYER

 

ON THAT, IT'S CRAZY.

 

IF PARENTS WANT TO HAVE A

 

CURRICULUM ADVISORY COMMITTEE IN

 

THEIR DISTRICT WHERE THEY CAN

 

DISCUSS A TIME, PARENTS CAN

 

ALREADY PICK UP THE TEXTBOOK,

 

THEY CAN ALREADY TALK TO THE

 

TEACHERS, OR EMAIL THE TEACHERS

 

AND ASK ABOUT THE CURRICULUM.

 

THERE IS NO BARRIER TO THAT NOW.

 

AND IF THEY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH

 

IT, THEY CAN GO TO THE PRINCIPAL

 

OR THE SUPERINTENDENT, OR THEY

 

CAN GO TO THE SCHOOL BOARD.

 

WHY THE LEGISLATURE HAS TO GET

 

IN THE MIDDLE OF ISSUES WHERE

 

THEY CAN BE DEALT WITH ON A

 

LOCAL LEVEL IS BEYOND ME.

 

AND ANYTHING THAT PUTS MORE ON

 

THE TEACHERS' PLATE IS A BAD

 

IDEA.

 

WITH THIS BILL AND THIS CONCEPT,

 

WE'RE ALREADY THE LAUGHINGSTOCK

 

OF THE COUNTRY.

 

WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THAT AT

 

THE SAME TIME WE'RE TRYING TO

 

RECRUIT NEW BUSINESS INTO THIS

 

STATE.

 

LOTS OF LUCK WITH THAT.

 

>>

 

INDIANA LEGISLATIVE LEADERS

 

INDICATED RECENTLY THE GENERAL

 

ASSEMBLY WILL LIKELY HOLD OFF ON

 

ANY MAJOR ANTI-ABORTION

 

LEGISLATION THIS SESSION.

 

LAWMAKERS WANT TO WAIT FOR THE

 

US SUPREME COURT TO RULE ON THE

 

ISSUE LATER THIS YEAR BEFORE

 

TAKING ACTION.

 

>> THE FUTURE OF ABORTION RIGHTS

 

MAY BE DECIDED BY THE SUPREME

 

COURT THIS YEAR. AND INDIANA

 

SENATE PRESIDENT PRO TEM RODRIC

 

BRAY SAYS IT'S BEST TO WAIT FOR

 

THE DECISION BEFORE PASSING

 

LEGISLATION.

 

>> SEN. RODRIC BRAY

 

(R-MARTINSVILLE): TO TRY AND

 

ANTICIPATE WHAT THAT MIGHT SAY

 

AND DRAFT LEGISLATION TO

 

ANTICIPATE EVERY POSSIBLE

 

SOLUTION OR OPINION THAT THEY

 

COULD COME OUT WITH JUST LOOKS

 

COMPLETELY UNDOABLE TO ME. SO, I

 

DON'T THINK IT'S WISE TO TRY.

 

>> BUT ONCE THE COURT RULES,

 

BRAY SAYS HE MIGHT ASK THE

 

GOVERNOR TO CALL A SPECIAL

 

SESSION.

 

>> SEN. RODRIC BRAY

 

(R-MARTINSVILLE): I THINK WE'LL

 

HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE ADVOCATING

 

THAT WE DON'T WANT TO WAIT ANY

 

LONGER THAN WE HAVE TO TO MAKE A

 

CHANGE HERE IN THE STATE, IF

 

THERE'S A POSSIBILITY.

 

>> THE COURT'S RULINGS COULD

 

MEAN EVERYTHING FROM BANNING

 

ABORTION OUTRIGHT TO RESTRICTING

 

HOW LONG INTO PREGNANCY PEOPLE

 

CAN ACCESS ABORTION CARE.

 

>> JON SCHWANTES, WILL GOP

 

CONSTITUENTS FOR WHOM ABORTION

 

IS ONE OF, IF NOT THE MOST

 

IMPORTANT ISSUE BE OKAY WITH

 

THIS WAIT-AND-SEE APPROACH?

 

>> THEY'LL BE DISAPPOINTED.

 

IF THERE WERE LEGISLATION, IT

 

WOULDN'T TAKE EFFECT UNTIL JULY

 

1.

 

THE SUPREME COURT DECISION IS

 

EXPECTED IN LATE JUNE.

 

AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, IT MAKES

 

SENSE TO WAIT AND SEE.

 

>> NIKI KELLY, CHANCES VERY HIGH

 

WE'LL HAVE A SPECIAL SESSION

 

LATER THIS YEAR ON ABORTION?

 

>> WELL, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY ALL

 

DEPENDS ON HOW THAT RULING COMES

 

DOWN.

 

IF THEY IN ANY WAY GIVE STATES

 

MORE RIGHT TO CURTAIL ABORTION,

 

ABSOLUTELY.

 

THAT'S INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW

 

FOR THIS WEEK.

 

OUR PANEL IS DEMOCRAT ANN

 

DELANEY.

 

REPUBLICAN MIKE O'BRIEN.

 

JON SCHWANTES OF INDIANA

 

LAWMAKERS.

 

AND NIKI KELLY OF THE FORT WAYNE

 

JOURNAL GAZETTE.

 

IF YOU'D LIKE A PODCAST OF THIS

 

PROGRAM YOU CAN FIND IT AT

 

WFYI.ORG/IWIR OR STARTING MONDAY

 

YOU CAN STREAM IT OR GET IT ON

 

DEMAND FROM XFINITY AND ON THE

 

WFYI APP.

 

I'M BRANDON SMITH OF INDIANA

 

PUBLIC BROADCASTING.

 

STAY SAFE, STAY HEALTHY, PLEASE

 

GET VACCINATED IF YOU CAN.

 

JOIN US NEXT TIME BECAUSE A LOT

 

CAN HAPPEN IN AN INDIANA WEEK.

 

♪♪

 

♪♪

 

>> THE OPINIONS EXPRESSED ARE

 

SOLELY THOSE OF THE PANELISTS,

 

INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW IS A WFYI

 

PRODUCTION IN ASSOCIATION WITH

 

INDIANA'S PUBLIC BROADCASTING

 

STATIONS.

 

>> BANNING TRANS STUDENTS FROM

 

SPORTS.

 

ABSENTEE MAIL-IN VOTING

 

RESTRICTED.

 

PLUS, CHANGES TO THE SCHOOL

 

CURRICULUM BILL AND MORE ON

 

INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW FOR THE

 

WEEK ENDING JANUARY 28, 2022.

 

>> INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW IS

 

MADE POSSIBLE BY THE SUPPORTERS

 

OF INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING

 

STATIONS.

 

>> THIS WEEK, PROTESTS ERUPTED

 

IN THE INDIANA HOUSE CHAMBER

 

FOLLOWING A COMMITTEE'S APPROVAL

 

OF A BILL RESTRICTING

 

TRANSGENDER GIRLS' ACCESS TO

 

SCHOOL SPORTS. THE VOTE CAME

 

AFTER HOURS OF TESTIMONY FROM

 

HOOSIERS WHO MOSTLY OPPOSE THE

 

MEASURE.

 

>> THE LEGISLATION WOULD

 

PROHIBIT TRANSGENDER GIRLS FROM

 

JOINING GIRLS SCHOOL SPORTS

 

TEAMS. REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE

 

MICHELLE DAVIS IS ITS AUTHOR.

 

>> REP. MICHELLE DAVIS

 

(R-WHITELAND): THE PURPOSE OF

 

THIS BILL IS TO MAINTAIN FAIR

 

COMPETITION IN GIRLS SPORTS.

 

>> BUT MANY PEOPLE OPPOSED TO

 

THE BILL SAY IT'S ANOTHER WAY TO

 

DISCRIMINATE AGAINST AN

 

ESPECIALLY VULNERABLE GROUP OF

 

CHILDREN. CHRIS PAULSEN FROM

 

INDIANA YOUTH GROUP JOINED

 

SEVERAL OTHERS WHO POINTED OUT

 

THE MENTAL HEALTH RISKS

 

TRANSGENDER YOUTH FACE,

 

ESPECIALLY WHEN THEIR IDENTITY

 

IS TARGETED BY POLITICIANS.

 

>> CHRIS PAULSEN: THE TREVOR

 

PROJECT'S 2021 SURVEY OF NEARLY

 

35 THOUSAND YOUTH AGES 13 TO 24

 

SHOW THAT MORE THAN 50 PERCENT

 

OF TRANSGENDER YOUTH HAVE

 

SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED SUICIDE IN

 

THE PAST YEAR.

 

>> THE BILL

 

PASSED THE FULL HOUSE THURSDAY.

 

WHAT PROBLEM IS THIS BILL

 

SOLVING?

 

IT'S THE FIRST QUESTION FOR OUR

 

INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW PANE.L

 

DEMOCRAT ANN DELANEY.

 

REPUBLICAN MIKE O'BRIEN.

 

JON SCHWANTES, HOST OF INDIANA

 

LAWMAKERS, AND NIKI KELLY,

 

STATEHOUSE REPORTER FOR THE FORT

 

WAYNE JOURNAL GAZETTE.

 

I'M INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING

 

STATEHOUSE REPORTER BRANDON

 

SMITH.

 

ANN DELANEY, DOESN'T THE IHSAA

 

ALREADY HAVE A PROCESS IN PLACE

 

TO DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE?

 

DO THEY NOT?

 

>> THEY DO.

 

IT'S A VERY GOOD PROCESS, AS A

 

MATTER OF FACT.

 

THIS ISN'T ABOUT FAIRNESS, IT'S

 

ABOUT HATRED.

 

I THINK REPRESENTATIVE TONYA

 

PFAFF SAID IT VERY WELL.

 

IT'S A SOLUTION IN SEARCH OF A

 

PROBLEM.

 

THEY COULDN'T EVEN POINT TO

 

SOMEONE DEFINITIVELY WHO FIT

 

INTO THIS CATEGORY.

 

AND THE IDEA THAT YOU HAVE

 

HUNDREDS OF TEENAGE BOYS LINING

 

UP TO GET SEX CHANGE OPERATIONS,

 

AND THE TRAUMA THAT THAT

 

CHANGE -- THE CHANGES THAT THAT

 

MEANS TO THEIR LIVES GOING

 

FORWARD, ALL TO PLAY HIGH SCHOOL

 

BASKETBALL IS RIDICULOUS.

 

I MEAN, SHE IS SINGLING OUT

 

PEOPLE JUST TO SHOW THAT SHE IS,

 

AGAIN, FAR TO THE RIGHT, WHICH

 

IS WHERE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS

 

ON THIS.

 

AND THE DEMOCRATS WERE UNANIMOUS

 

ON OPPOSING THIS AS THEY SHOULD

 

BE.

 

BECAUSE IT DOES DISCRIMINATE.

 

AND BY THE WAY, IT ONLY

 

DISCRIMINATES ONE WAY, IT

 

DISCRIMINATES AGAINST BOYS WHO

 

HAVE THE SEX CHANGE OPERATION

 

BECOME GIRLS.

 

WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER?

 

THAT DOES OCCUR.

 

ARE WE GOING TO SAY IT IS OKAY

 

FOR THEM TO PLAY, OR ARE THEY

 

SAYING WOMEN AREN'T VERY GOOD AT

 

SPORTS ANYWAY, SO IT DOESN'T

 

MATTER IN THAT CONTEXT.

 

THE WHOLE BILL IS RIDICULOUS.

 

ALL IT DOES IS STIR UP THE

 

REPUBLICAN BASE TO HATE ANOTHER

 

GROUP OF CHILDREN WHO HAVE THEIR

 

PROBLEMS, AND HAVE THEIR

 

ADVERSITY TO FACE ON THEIR OWN

 

WITHOUT THIS ADDITIONAL BURDEN.

 

>> MIKE O'BRIEN, FAIRNESS AND

 

COMPETITION IS WHAT WE HEARD

 

FROM THE PROPONENTS OF THIS

 

BILL.

 

ARE YOU BUYING THAT?

 

>> FIRST, I DON'T THINK THIS IS

 

DRIVEN BY HATRED AT ALL.

 

I THINK IT IS DRIVEN BY

 

MISUNDERSTANDING, FEAR, CONCERN

 

FOR WHAT'S HAPPENING IN SOME

 

SCHOOLS.

 

AND THE POLITICS OF THIS, ANN'S

 

WRONG, THIS ISN'T FAR RIGHT.

 

WHAT IS DRIVING THIS ARE

 

COMMUNITIES THAT ARE

 

TRADITIONALLY MODERATE, DRIVING

 

A LOT OF THE CONCERN HERE WHERE

 

YOU HAVE A VERY VOCAL

 

TRANSGENDER COMMUNITY.

 

I THINK IF YOU WENT TO PLACES

 

THAT WE BELIEVE ARE

 

TRANSITIONING FROM A REPUBLICAN

 

TO A DEMOCRAT AREA, MAYBE PURPLE

 

AREAS, THE -- THEY WERE MAYBE, I

 

THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE

 

POLITICAL DIAGRAM OF THESE

 

PEOPLE, FOR GAY MARRIAGE AND

 

AGAINST TRANSGENDER ATHLETES.

 

IS THIS A SOLUTION IN SEARCH OF

 

A PROBLEM?

 

THERE IS NO EXAMPLES OF THIS

 

HERE.

 

I DO THINK REPRESENTATIVE DAVIS

 

IS CORRECT THAT WE'RE HEADING

 

THAT DIRECTION WHERE THIS IS

 

GOING TO BE A PROBLEM.

 

AGAIN, ANN, I STRUGGLE WITH

 

THIS.

 

I WAS WAY OUT IN FRONT ON THE

 

GAY MARRIAGE ISSUE, WORKED WITH

 

CHRIS PAULSEN IF YOU LOOK AT

 

PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THEY ARE NOT

 

HATEFUL, VERY REASONABLE AND

 

LOOK AT THIS ISSUE AND SAY I

 

JUST DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT YET.

 

>> YOU THINK THAT'S THE

 

MOTIVATING FACTOR FOR A SEX

 

CHANGE OPERATION, TO PLAY

 

SPORTS?

 

>> I THINK IF -- IT'S HARD

 

ENOUGH TO BE A TEENAGER, IF

 

YO'RE TRANSGENDER IT IS

 

IMPOSSIBLE.

 

IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH

 

THAT PROCESS, IT'S -- THAT'S A

 

MONUMENTAL THING IN YOUR LIFE, I

 

DON'T THINK PLAYING MEN'S

 

BASKETBALL IS THE NEXT THING ON

 

YOUR LIST.

 

>> NIKI KELLY, AS WE'VE HEARD

 

NOW, DEBATE IN THE COMMITTEE,

 

AND THEN ON THE FLOOR, ARE

 

REPUBLICANS WHO ARE PUSHING THIS

 

BILL DOING A GOOD JOB TO

 

INDICATING THIS IS -- THESE ARE

 

THE EXACT REASONS WHY WE NEED

 

IT?

 

>> WELL, I MEAN, THEY'RE

 

FOCUSING ON ONE THING ONLY,

 

WHICH IS THEY'RE SAYING THERE IS

 

UNFAIR PERFORMANCE EDGES.

 

THAT SOMEONE WHO IS BORN A MALE,

 

HAS BETTER LUNG CAPACITY,

 

TALLER, MORE MUSCLE MASS, THINGS

 

LIKE THAT.

 

THEY'RE FOCUSING ON SORT OF THE

 

ADVANTAGES THAT THAT WOULD GIVE

 

IF THEY WOULD THEN TRANSITION TO

 

A FEMALE SPORT.

 

THE FASCINATING PART ABOUT MOST

 

OF IT, THERE ARE EXAMPLES OUT

 

THERE THAT CAUSE ISSUES, BUT

 

MOSTLY IN COLLEGIATE SPORTS, THE

 

BILL ORIGINALLY COVERED COLLEGE

 

SPORTS, THEY TOOK IT OUT WITHOUT

 

A WORD OF EXPLANATION.

 

I THINK WE CAN ALL SURMISE THAT

 

THE NCAA WAS PROBABLY NOT A FAN

 

OF IT.

 

THAT'S THE ARENA WHERE WE'RE

 

SEEING SOME OF THESE ISSUES

 

HAPPEN MORE THAN IN HIGH SCHOOL.

 

AND MIDDLE SCHOOL.

 

>> JON SCHWANTES -- WE'VE

 

SEEN --

 

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY THERE IS

 

NOTHING FAIR, I'M SORRY, GO

 

AHEAD.

 

>> WE'VE SEEN OTHER BILLS LIKE

 

THIS AROUND THE COUNTRY, SOME A

 

LOT STRICTER THAN THIS ONE.

 

A LOT OF THOSE BILLS HAVE

 

RECEIVED A LOT MORE NATIONAL

 

ATTENTION THAN I FEEL LIKE

 

INDIANA'S BILL IS GETTING.

 

NOT SAYING IT IS GETTING NO

 

ATTENTION, BUT CERTAINLY NOT ON

 

THE SCALE OF OTHER STATES.

 

WHY IS THIS ONE SORT OF FLYING

 

UNDER THE RADAR?

 

>> I THINK IF INDIANA HAD BEEN

 

THE FIRST STATE TO ADDRESS THIS

 

IN A LEGISLATIVE FASHION OR AT

 

LEAST THROUGH A PROPOSED

 

LEGISLATION, IT PROBABLY WOULD

 

HAVE BEEN A PROMINENT NATIONAL

 

STORY.

 

YOU KNOW, WE COULD GET IN

 

DISCUSSIONS OF WHY VARIOUS

 

EDITORIAL DECISIONS ARE MADE AND

 

WHAT CONSTITUTES NEWS.

 

AS EACH STATE WRESTLES WITH

 

THIS, IT PROBABLY BECOMES -- I'M

 

NOT SAYING IT IS ANY LESS

 

SIGNIFICANT TO THE PEOPLE

 

AFFECTED BY THE POTENTIAL LAW,

 

BUT IN TERMS OF IT BEING A

 

NATIONAL NEWS STORY, IT STARTS

 

TO DIMINISH A BIT.

 

AND I THINK IT'S MORE -- IF YOU

 

LOOK AT IT NARROWLY ABOUT THE

 

COVERAGE IT RECEIVED, IT IS MORE

 

ABOUT THAT PROBABLY THAN

 

ANYTHING MORE NUANCED ABOUT THE

 

FINE POINTS OF THE BILL HERE ARE

 

HOW IT'S BEING DEBATED.

 

>> I WANT TO JUST MAKE ONE

 

POINT, THERE IS NOTHING FAIR

 

ABOUT SPORTS RIGHT NOW.

 

IF YOUR PARENTS HAVE THE MONEY,

 

THEY PUT YOU ON A TRAVELING TEAM

 

AND TAKE YOU PLACES, PAY FOR

 

SUMMER CAMPS, YOU HAVE A

 

TREMENDOUS ADVANTAGE OVER KIDS

 

WHOSE PARENTS DON'T HAVE THOSE

 

RESOURCES.

 

NOBODY IS WORRIED ABOUT THE

 

FAIRNESS OF THAT PART OF IT,

 

WHICH I FIND REALLY KIND OF

 

IRONIC

 

>> I AM SURPRISED THAT ANN MADE

 

THE POINT EARLIER ABOUT HOW THE

 

BILL IS CRAFTED SO IT DEALS ONLY

 

WITH INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE ARE

 

BORN GENETICALLY BORN AS MALES,

 

AND ARE TRANSITIONING TO FEMALE.

 

IT DOES SEEM THAT IF IN FACT

 

THIS IS ALL ABOUT FAIRNESS, ONE

 

COULD ARGUE THAT THE BILL SHOULD

 

BE BROADENED, AT LEAST THE

 

LANGUAGE, TO SAY IF YOU'RE

 

COMPETING OUTSIDE THE SPORT

 

CLASSIFICATION IN WHICH YOU WERE

 

BORN.

 

I CAN SEE PEOPLE SAYING THIS IS

 

PICKING -- NARROWLY DEFINING THE

 

LAW IN A WAY IT SHOULDN'T BE.

 

>>

 

TIME NOW FOR VIEWER FEEDBACK.

 

EACH WEEK WE POSE AN

 

UNSCIENTIFIC, ONLINE POLL

 

QUESTION.

 

THIS WEEK'S QUESTION:

 

SHOULD TRANSGENDER STUDENTS BE

 

BANNED FROM PARTICIPATING IN

 

GIRLS' HIGH SCHOOL SPORTS?

 

A, YES, OR B, NO.

 

LAST WEEK'S QUESTION:

 

WILL THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY

 

ELIMINATE INDIANA'S LICENSE

 

REQUIREMENT TO CARRY A HANDGUN

 

THIS YEAR?

 

THIS ONE WAS CLOSER THAN I WAS

 

EXPECTING, 44% YES, 56 NO.

 

I SUGGEST THE CHANCES ARE A LOT

 

HIGHER THAN THAT, BUT WE'LL FIND

 

OUT IN THE COMING WEEKS.

 

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TAKE PART

 

IN THE POLL GO TO WFYI.ORG/IWIR

 

AND LOOK FOR THE POLL.

 

CHANGES TO AN ELECTIONS BILL IN

 

A HOUSE COMMITTEE THIS WEEK WILL

 

MAKE IT HARDER FOR HOOSIERS TO

 

VOTE ABSENTEE BY MAIL.

 

>> THE WAYS AND MEANS COMMITTEE

 

APPROVED LANGUAGE THAT SAYS, IF

 

YOU WANT TO VOTE ABSENTEE BY

 

MAIL, YOU MUST ATTEST THAT YOU

 

WON'T BE AVAILABLE ON ELECTION

 

DAY OR - AND THIS IS THE NEW

 

PART - ANY TIME IN THE 28 DAYS

 

BEFORE THE ELECTION, WHEN EARLY

 

VOTING IS AVAILABLE.

 

REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE TIM

 

WESCO.

 

>> REP. TIM WESCO (R-OSCEOLA): I

 

BELIEVE THE BEST POLICY IS TO

 

ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO VOTE IN

 

PERSON, WHETHER ON ELECTION DAY

 

OR IN PERSON EARLY, AS MUCH AS

 

POSSIBLE.

 

>> DEMOCRATIC REPRESENTATIVE ED

 

DELANEY SAYS THAT PUTS A GREATER

 

BURDEN ON VOTERS, PARTICULARLY

 

IN COUNTIES WITH FEW EARLY

 

VOTING LOCATIONS. AND HE

 

QUESTIONED WHY THE CHANGE IS

 

NECESSARY.

 

>> REP. ED

 

DELANEY(D-INDIANAPOLIS): I THINK

 

THE ANSWER'S APPARENT. THE

 

ANSWER IS, WE WANT TO REDUCE THE

 

NUMBER OF VOTERS. WHY DON'T YOU

 

JUST SAY THAT.

 

>> THE BILL IS UP FOR PASSAGE IN

 

THE HOUSE NEXT WEEK.

 

>> MIKE O'BRIEN, WHY NOT JUST

 

GET RID OF ABSENTEE MAIL-IN

 

VOTING ENTIRELY?

 

I'M NOT GOING TO BE AVAILABLE

 

ELECTION DAY OR 28 DAYS BEFORE.

 

>> I ALWAYS THOUGHT THIS WAS A

 

WEIRD DEAL, THIS -- BECAUSE I

 

ALWAYS VOTED ABSENTEE, OR VOTE

 

IN PERSON EARLY.

 

I WAS NEVER AVAILABLE ON

 

ELECTION DAY.

 

I WAS ALWAYS WORKING ELECTIONS,

 

MIGHT AS WELL TAKE THE EASY WAY

 

OUT HERE AND -- NOW I CAN'T

 

ANYMORE WITHOUT JUST STRAIGHT UP

 

BEING -- VIOLATING THE SPIRIT OF

 

THE LAW BEFORE.

 

THE ACTUALLY LETTER.

 

THAT WAS THE POINT BEFORE, BEING

 

UNAVAILABLE WHEN GIVEN THE

 

OPPORTUNITY IN PERSON.

 

I'M A TRADITIONALIST, I

 

THINK -- I WOULD THINK WE MADE

 

IT WIDELY AND WILDLY AVAILABLE

 

VOTING IN THE LAST 20 YEARS IN

 

THIS STATE, CONTRARY TO WHAT

 

DEMOCRATS THINK, WHETHER VOTE

 

CENTERS OR SATELLITE VOTING,

 

EARLY VOTING FOR 30 DAYS, OR

 

VOTING ON ELECTION DAY, WHICH IS

 

WHAT WE DID TO START, IT WASN'T

 

THAT LONG AGO THAT WE DID THAT.

 

VAST OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE IN THIS

 

STATE.

 

FRANKLY I DON'T HAVE SOME

 

IDEOLOGICAL RIGID -- AS TIM

 

WESCO SAID, WE HAVE BEEN LIVING

 

ON THE HONOR SYSTEM FOREVER, I

 

THINK IT HAS WORKED.

 

BOTH PARTIES HAVE THEIR OWN

 

OPERATIONS THAT RECRUIT THEIR

 

OWN VOTERS TO VOTE ABSENTEE AND

 

VOTE EARLY.

 

SOME PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THAT,

 

THEY'RE TRADITIONALISTS WHO WANT

 

VOTING ON ELECTION DAY, THE

 

ELECTION OSTENSIBLY ENDS 30 DAYS

 

BEFORE ELECTION DAY FOR A LOT OF

 

PEOPLE, CAMPAIGNS DON'T LIKE

 

THAT, CANDIDATES DON'T LIKE

 

THAT, THE ENVIRONMENT CAN

 

CHANGE, THIS AND THAT.

 

I DON'T THINK THIS WAS

 

NECESSARILY BROKEN IN INDIANA.

 

BUT I DO THINK CONTRARY TO WHAT

 

DEMOCRATS THINK, WE HAVE MADE IT

 

MUCH EASIER TO VOTE IN INDIANA

 

OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS.

 

>> [LAUGHTER] HOLD THAT THOUGHT.

 

>> I KNOW YOU DISAGREE WITH WHAT

 

MIKE SAID.

 

TIM WESCO REFERENCED.

 

INDIANA DOES THIS ABSENTEE

 

VOTING LARGELY ON THE -- NOBODY

 

IS CHECKING THIS.

 

IS THIS REALLY GOING TO AFFECT

 

HOW VOTERS VOTE?

 

>> WELL, YOU COULD HAVE A

 

SITUATION WHERE SOMEBODY FINDS

 

OUT THAT THE PERSON WHO SENT IN

 

AN ABSENTEE BALLOT WAS PRESENT

 

AND HAS A GRUDGE AGAINST THAT

 

PERSON.

 

THERE ARE CRIMINALS -- IF YOU

 

CHANGE YOUR MIND OR YOU THINK

 

YOU'RE GOING TO BE HERE, OR YOU

 

THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE GONE

 

AND YOU'RE HERE, THERE ARE ALL

 

KINDS OF THINGS WHERE SOMEBODY

 

COULD MAKE TROUBLE BASED ON A

 

CRIMINAL PROSECUTION NOW, THE

 

HONOR SYSTEM APPARENTLY IS NO

 

LONGER GOOD ENOUGH FOR THIS

 

STATE REPRESENTATIVE.

 

HE WANTS CRIMINAL PROSECUTION.

 

BUT IT'S INTERESTING THAT THIS

 

CAME OUT THE SAME WEEK THAT THE

 

CIVIC HEALTH INDEX CAME OUT, AND

 

INDIANA, DESPITE WHAT MIKE SAID,

 

HAS GONE FROM BEING 41st IN THE

 

STATE -- AMONG THE STATES TO

 

46th IN THE STATE.

 

YEARS AGO, YEARS AGO, WE WERE IN

 

THE TOP 10 IN TERMS OF TURNOUT.

 

NOW, NOT ONLY THE BOTTOM 10,

 

WE'RE IN THE BOTTOM 5.

 

SO WE HAVE NOT MADE IT EASIER

 

FOR PEOPLE TO VOTE.

 

WE HAVE PUT REPEATED OBSTACLES

 

IN THE WAY OF PEOPLE VOTING.

 

>> THOSE STATS DON'T MATTER.

 

>> PARENTS DON'T -- REPUBLICANS

 

DON'T WANT EVERYONE TO VOTE.

 

>> WHAT'S THE NUMBER ONE FACTOR

 

IN VOTER MOTIVATION?

 

>> AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

 

AND THE CIVIC HEALTH INDEX

 

ITSELF SHOWS HOW MUCH WE'VE

 

SLIPPED.

 

>> I THINK IT SHOWS HOW WE HAVE

 

NO COMPETITIVE DEMOCRATIC PARTY

 

IN INDIANA.

 

BECAUSE THE NUMBER ONE REASON TO

 

GO VOTE IS BECAUSE IT'S

 

COMPETITIVE, NOT BECAUSE OF

 

GERRYMANDERING.

 

>> IT IS EXACTLY BECAUSE OF

 

GERRYMANDERING.

 

THAT IS WHY THERE IS NO

 

COMPETITION.

 

BECAUSE YOU GERRYMANDERED IT SO

 

WELL.

 

>> YOU'RE A THIRD PLACE PARTY,

 

ANN.

 

WE HAVE TO COMPETE WITH OTHER

 

CONSERVATIVES

 

>> YOU WOULD THINK THAT YOU

 

WOULD BE HAPPY ENOUGH THAT THE

 

GERRYMANDERING RESULTS THAT YOU

 

WOULD ALSO HAVE TO RESTRICT

 

REGISTRATION AND VOTING, BUT

 

THAT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU GUYS.

 

>> YOU'RE JUST ABSURD.

 

>> JON SCHWANTES, DO YOU FEEL

 

LIKE THIS IS -- I FEEL LIKE I'M

 

ASKING A SIMILAR QUESTION THAT I

 

ASKED ON THE LAST TOPIC.

 

WHAT IS THE NEED FOR THIS

 

LEGISLATION?

 

>> PROBABLY NO NEED.

 

THE MOTIVATION, I THINK, IS CUT

 

AND DRIED.

 

REPUBLICANS WANT FEWER PEOPLE TO

 

VOTE.

 

THAT IS WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.

 

LET'S NOT BEAT AROUND THE BUSH.

 

IT'S -- I AGREE WITH MIKE THAT

 

IDEALLY WE'D ALL -- I LOVE THE

 

TRADITION OF EVERYBODY GOING TO

 

THE POLLS ON ELECTION DAY.

 

IN FACT, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A

 

BIPARTISAN COMMISSION, FEDERAL

 

COMMISSION, I THINK IT WAS

 

CO-CHAIRED MAYBE BY GERALD FORD

 

AND JIMMY CARTER, LET'S MAKE

 

THIS SOMETHING SPECIAL THAT

 

EVERYBODY WORKS TOGETHER.

 

I WOULD LOVE THAT, WE DON'T LIVE

 

IN LA LA LAND.

 

SEEMS TO ME, WELL, WE CAN DEBATE

 

THE VOTER SECURITY.

 

BUT WE CAN'T DEBATE THE

 

MOTIVATION HERE, WHICH IS TO

 

REDUCE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE

 

VOTING.

 

THAT IS PRETTY CLEAR.

 

>> NIKI KELLY, TIM WESCO KIND OF

 

INDIRECTLY CAST SOME DOUBT ON

 

THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF

 

MAIL-IN VOTING DURING THAT HOUSE

 

COMMITTEE.

 

IS THERE ANY WIDE EVIDENCE OF

 

WIDESPREAD VOTER FRAUD WHEN IT

 

COMES TO MAIL-IN VOTING.

 

WE HAVE STATES WHO FOR TWO

 

DECADES HAVE BEEN DOING

 

EXCLUSIVELY MAIL-IN VOTING?

 

>> NO, THERE ISN'T.

 

SURE, YOU CAN ALWAYS FIND AN

 

OCCASIONAL INSTANCE HERE OR

 

THERE.

 

SOMETIMES IT IS ON THE

 

REPUBLICAN SIDE AND SOMETIMES ON

 

THE DEMOCRAT SIDE.

 

ONE THING I DO WANT TO NOTE WITH

 

THIS WHOLE NOTION OF THE ENTIRE

 

MONTH BEFORE YOU CAN VOTE.

 

THIS 28 DAYS THING.

 

FOR A LOT OF COUNTIES, THOUGH,

 

THAT -- YOU CAN'T VOTE ALL 28

 

DAYS.

 

A LOT OF COUNTIES JUST HAVE

 

SATURDAY VOTING.

 

REALLY THAT'S FOUR ADDITIONAL

 

DAYS YOU CAN VOTE.

 

NOT 28.

 

SO REALLY IS A WIDE VARIETY,

 

DEPENDING WHERE YOU LIVE.

 

>> YEAH.

 

NOT JUST WHAT DAYS, EVEN WHAT

 

HOURS, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

 

SOME DAYS IT'S FOUR HOURS IN THE

 

MORNING.

 

>> WE SHOULD PROBABLY POINT OUT

 

DONALD TRUMP RELIED ON MAIL-IN

 

VOTING MOST OF HIS LIFE,

 

CERTAINLY IN THE LAST ELECTION.

 

>> PROBABLY CORRUPT

 

>> THE INDIANA HOUSE APPROVED A

 

CONTROVERSIAL SCHOOL CONTENT AND

 

CURRICULUM BILL THIS WEEK.

 

INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING'S

 

JEANIE LINDSAY REPORTS,

 

LAWMAKERS PASSED THE MEASURE

 

AFTER MORE THAN AN HOUR AND A

 

PHALF OF DISCUSSION ON THE HOUS

 

FLOOR.

 

>> LAWMAKERS MADE A FEW CHANGES

 

TO HOUSE BILL 1134 BEFORE THE

 

HOUSE APPROVED IT. BILL AUTHOR

 

REP. TONY COOK SAYS THEY AIM TO

 

ADDRESS CONCERNS THAT THE BILL

 

WOULD ADD ONTO SCHOOLS'

 

WORKLOADS OR PREVENT TEACHERS

 

FROM CONDEMNING RACISM. BUT

 

CONCERNS PERSISTED FROM SOME

 

LAWMAKERS, LIKE REPRESENTATIVE

 

CAROLYN JACKSON, ABOUT HOW THE

 

OVERALL LEGISLATION COULD IMPACT

 

SCHOOLS - ESPECIALLY AS THE

 

PANDEMIC CONTINUES.

 

>> REP. CAROLYN JACKSON

 

(D-HAMMOND): I THINK WE NEED TO

 

STEP BACK AND LOOK AT THE

 

SITUATION BEFORE WE CREATE

 

ANOTHER OBSTACLE AND FALL ON OUR

 

FACE.

 

>> MANY LAWMAKERS OPPOSED TO THE

 

BILL WORRY IT COULD REDUCE THE

 

NUMBER OF TEACHERS WILLING TO

 

WORK IN THE STATE. THE HOUSE

 

APPROVED THE LEGISLATION 60 TO

 

37. IT NOW HEADS TO THE SENATE.

 

>> NIKI KELLY, BEFORE THEY

 

PASSED THE BILL OVER TO THE

 

SENATE, THEY CHANGED THE BILL IN

 

A NINE-PAGE AMENDMENT.

 

ANY TIME YOU HAVE A NINE-PAGE

 

AMENDMENT TO A PIECE OF

 

LEGISLATION, THAT'S A GOOD BILL.

 

CAN YOU GIVE US A SENSE OF THE

 

CHANGES TO THE BILL?

 

>> MOST WERE TWEAKING, IT LIMITS

 

THE DAMAGES, IT WAS TEACHERS

 

HAVING TO POST CURRICULUM, IF

 

THEY STUMBLED UPON AN ARTICLE

 

THE NIGHT BEFORE, DO THEY HAVE

 

TO RUN IMMEDIATELY AND POST IT

 

BEFORE CLASS, OR WILL THEY BE IN

 

VIOLATION OF THE LAW?

 

THEY BACKED THAT DOWN A LITTLE

 

TO BE A LITTLE LESS, I GUESS,

 

ONEROUS, ON THAT SIDE.

 

BUT FOR ALL INTENTS AND

 

PURPOSES, IT IS PRETTY MUCH THE

 

SAME BILL IT'S BEEN THE WHOLE

 

TIME.

 

THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN

 

CHANGING THE DIVISIVE CONCEPT

 

LANGUAGE IN THE BILL, WHICH IS

 

THE WHOLE REASON THERE IS

 

DIVISION ON THE BILL.

 

>> JON SCHWANTES, TO THAT END,

 

THE SENATE KILLED OFF ITS

 

VERSION OF THIS MEASURE.

 

IT SAID THERE WAS NO PATH

 

FORWARD.

 

THAT'S WHAT THE VERY BRIEF 4:00

 

P.M. ON A FRIDAY STATEMENT SAID.

 

IF THERE IS NO PATH FORWARD ON

 

THAT BILL, WHY WOULD THERE BE A

 

PATH FORWARD ON THIS BILL?

 

>> THIS ASSUMES THERE IS.

 

I MEAN, I THINK THE SENATE CAN

 

MAYBE SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE HERE.

 

I THINK THERE IS CLEARLY

 

ENTHUSIASTIC SUPPORT.

 

VARIOUS BILLS HAVE BEEN

 

INTRODUCED, SOME DEAL WITH

 

NARROW PORTIONS OF THIS WHOLE

 

REFORM PACKAGE WITH PARENTAL

 

INVOLVEMENT AND PARENTAL INPUT.

 

OTHERS ARE MUCH BROADER.

 

SO WHAT I THINK WE COULD SEE

 

COME OUT OF THIS IS ATTEMPTS AT

 

MORE TRANSPARENCY.

 

FORMALIZED POSTING OF COURSE

 

LESSONS AND COURSE MATERIALS,

 

CURRICULA.

 

AND INVOLVEMENT, MANDATORY

 

INVOLVEMENT OF THE PUBLIC AND

 

SCHOOL BOARD MEETINGS IN TERMS

 

OF THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A

 

SAY WITHOUT IMPOSING VERY

 

SPECIFIC BUT STILL SUBJECT TO

 

DEBATE GUIDELINES ABOUT WHAT CAN

 

BE TAUGHT OR THE REVIEW PROCESS.

 

BECAUSE WE'RE FOCUSED SO MUCH ON

 

SOCIAL STUDIES, AND LANGUAGE

 

ARTS IF YOU WANT TO PUT IT THAT

 

WAY.

 

IF YOU PUT THE WHOLE CURRICULA

 

TO AN ADVISORY PANEL, I CAN SEE

 

CREATIONISM VERSUS EVOLUTION

 

CREEPING IN.

 

I CAN SEE WHEN YOU HAVE A

 

PERSONAL FINANCE CLASS AND

 

STUDENTS ARE GIVEN A FAKE POT OF

 

MONEY TO LEARN HOW TO INVEST IN

 

THE STOCK MARKET, THERE ARE

 

PEOPLE WHO SAY YOU ARE CREATING

 

A BUNCH OF CUTTHROAT CAPITALISTS

 

WITH NO HEART.

 

THIS WHOLE THING POTENTIALLY,

 

THAT'S A BIT OF AN EXAGGERATION

 

IN TERMS OF REALITY.

 

IT DOES SEEM THAT CRITICS ARE

 

WORRIED A LOT ABOUT GRIDLOCK

 

HERE, AND THE BURDEN THAT WOULD

 

BE CREATED BY THIS MULTI-LAYERED

 

APPROACH TO CURRICULUM APPROVAL.

 

>> MIKE O'BRIEN, IF THE SENATE

 

TOOK OUT THE DIVISIVE CONCEPTS

 

LANGUAGE AND WE WERE LEFT WITH A

 

LITTLE MORE TRANSPARENCY FROM

 

TEACHERS IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY

 

HAVE TO POST ONLINE AND THESE

 

PARENT -- THESE CURRICULUM

 

COMMITTEES THAT PARENTS WOULD

 

PLAY A MAJOR ROLE IN AT THE

 

SCHOOL BOARD AND DISTRICT LEVEL.

 

IF THAT'S ALL THE BILL WAS LEFT

 

WITH, DOES THIS HAVE IS A MUCH

 

EASIER PATH FORWARD?

 

>> PROBABLY.

 

BUT I THINK THE GOAL NEEDS TO BE

 

TRANSPARENCY AND NOT CONTROL FOR

 

PARENTS.

 

AND TAKE THIS OFF THE TEACHER'S

 

PLATE ENTIRELY.

 

MOVE THIS ENTIRELY TO A SCHOOL

 

BOARD, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF

 

PARENTAL COMMITTEE ADVISORY

 

ROLE.

 

BUT WHERE ACCOUNTABILITY IS THE

 

ELECTED SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS

 

ULTIMATELY.

 

LET THEM POST WHAT -- LET THEM

 

DIRECT THE CORPORATION POST WHAT

 

THEY WANT TO POST IN THE LEAST

 

ONEROUS WAY POSSIBLE.

 

PUTTING TEACHERS IN THIS

 

SITUATION, THEY AREN'T PREPPING

 

MONTHS IN ADVANCE, THEY ARE

 

PREPPING THE NIGHT BEFORE, 11:00

 

OR 12:00 AT NIGHT, ONCE THEY GET

 

THEIR OWN KIDS TO BED.

 

THIS HAS GOT TO BE ON

 

TRANSPARENCY.

 

THE ONEROUS HAS GOT TO BE ON THE

 

PARENTS TO DO THE WORK TO GO ASK

 

THOSE QUESTIONS, A LOT OF THEM

 

ARE DOING THAT.

 

THEY'RE DOING IT IN A PRETTY

 

HOSTILE WAY, I WISH IT WAS MORE

 

THOUGHTFUL AND CONSTRUCTIVE.

 

TO PUT THIS ON TEACHER'S PLATE

 

IS TOO MUCH.

 

>> ANN DeLANEY, TO WHAT MIKE

 

JUST TALKED ABOUT, IF THE SENATE

 

CANGES THE BILL TO BE WHAT MIKE

 

JUST INDICATED, TAKING IT OFF

 

THE TEACHERS, FOCUSING ON

 

TRANSPARENCY, IS THAT A GOOD

 

PIECE OF LEGISLATION?

 

>> CERTAINLY BETTER PIECE OF

 

LEGISLATION.

 

THE IDEA THAT YOU'RE GOING TO

 

HAVE THOUGHT CONTROL, AN EQUAL

 

APPROACH TO ANY ISSUE NO MATTER

 

HOW HORRIFIC THAT HAS BEEN IN

 

THE PAST HISTORY OF THE WORLD IS

 

RIDICULOUS.

 

I AGREE WITH MIKE.

 

WE'VE PUT ENOUGH BURDEN ON

 

TEACHERS.

 

IT IS ALREADY A DIFFICULT ENOUGH

 

PROFESSION, MADE MUCH MORE

 

DIFFICULT BY THE PANDEMIC, NOW

 

WE'RE GOING TO ADD ANOTHER LAYER

 

ON THAT, IT'S CRAZY.

 

IF PARENTS WANT TO HAVE A

 

CURRICULUM ADVISORY COMMITTEE IN

 

THEIR DISTRICT WHERE THEY CAN

 

DISCUSS A TIME, PARENTS CAN

 

ALREADY PICK UP THE TEXTBOOK,

 

THEY CAN ALREADY TALK TO THE

 

TEACHERS, OR EMAIL THE TEACHERS

 

AND ASK ABOUT THE CURRICULUM.

 

THERE IS NO BARRIER TO THAT NOW.

 

AND IF THEY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH

 

IT, THEY CAN GO TO THE PRINCIPAL

 

OR THE SUPERINTENDENT, OR THEY

 

CAN GO TO THE SCHOOL BOARD.

 

WHY THE LEGISLATURE HAS TO GET

 

IN THE MIDDLE OF ISSUES WHERE

 

THEY CAN BE DEALT WITH ON A

 

LOCAL LEVEL IS BEYOND ME.

 

AND ANYTHING THAT PUTS MORE ON

 

THE TEACHERS' PLATE IS A BAD

 

IDEA.

 

WITH THIS BILL AND THIS CONCEPT,

 

WE'RE ALREADY THE LAUGHINGSTOCK

 

OF THE COUNTRY.

 

WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THAT AT

 

THE SAME TIME WE'RE TRYING TO

 

RECRUIT NEW BUSINESS INTO THIS

 

STATE.

 

LOTS OF LUCK WITH THAT.

 

>>

 

INDIANA LEGISLATIVE LEADERS

 

INDICATED RECENTLY THE GENERAL

 

ASSEMBLY WILL LIKELY HOLD OFF ON

 

ANY MAJOR ANTI-ABORTION

 

LEGISLATION THIS SESSION.

 

LAWMAKERS WANT TO WAIT FOR THE

 

US SUPREME COURT TO RULE ON THE

 

ISSUE LATER THIS YEAR BEFORE

 

TAKING ACTION.

 

>> THE FUTURE OF ABORTION RIGHTS

 

MAY BE DECIDED BY THE SUPREME

 

COURT THIS YEAR. AND INDIANA

 

SENATE PRESIDENT PRO TEM RODRIC

 

BRAY SAYS IT'S BEST TO WAIT FOR

 

THE DECISION BEFORE PASSING

 

LEGISLATION.

 

>> SEN. RODRIC BRAY

 

(R-MARTINSVILLE): TO TRY AND

 

ANTICIPATE WHAT THAT MIGHT SAY

 

AND DRAFT LEGISLATION TO

 

ANTICIPATE EVERY POSSIBLE

 

SOLUTION OR OPINION THAT THEY

 

COULD COME OUT WITH JUST LOOKS

 

COMPLETELY UNDOABLE TO ME. SO, I

 

DON'T THINK IT'S WISE TO TRY.

 

>> BUT ONCE THE COURT RULES,

 

BRAY SAYS HE MIGHT ASK THE

 

GOVERNOR TO CALL A SPECIAL

 

SESSION.

 

>> SEN. RODRIC BRAY

 

(R-MARTINSVILLE): I THINK WE'LL

 

HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE ADVOCATING

 

THAT WE DON'T WANT TO WAIT ANY

 

LONGER THAN WE HAVE TO TO MAKE A

 

CHANGE HERE IN THE STATE, IF

 

THERE'S A POSSIBILITY.

 

>> THE COURT'S RULINGS COULD

 

MEAN EVERYTHING FROM BANNING

 

ABORTION OUTRIGHT TO RESTRICTING

 

HOW LONG INTO PREGNANCY PEOPLE

 

CAN ACCESS ABORTION CARE.

 

>> JON SCHWANTES, WILL GOP

 

CONSTITUENTS FOR WHOM ABORTION

 

IS ONE OF, IF NOT THE MOST

 

IMPORTANT ISSUE BE OKAY WITH

 

THIS WAIT-AND-SEE APPROACH?

 

>> THEY'LL BE DISAPPOINTED.

 

IF THERE WERE LEGISLATION, IT

 

WOULDN'T TAKE EFFECT UNTIL JULY

 

1.

 

THE SUPREME COURT DECISION IS

 

EXPECTED IN LATE JUNE.

 

AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, IT MAKES

 

SENSE TO WAIT AND SEE.

 

>> NIKI KELLY, CHANCES VERY HIGH

 

WE'LL HAVE A SPECIAL SESSION

 

LATER THIS YEAR ON ABORTION?

 

>> WELL, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY ALL

 

DEPENDS ON HOW THAT RULING COMES

 

DOWN.

 

IF THEY IN ANY WAY GIVE STATES

 

MORE RIGHT TO CURTAIL ABORTION,

 

ABSOLUTELY.

 

THAT'S INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW

 

FOR THIS WEEK.

 

OUR PANEL IS DEMOCRAT ANN

 

DELANEY.

 

REPUBLICAN MIKE O'BRIEN.

 

JON SCHWANTES OF INDIANA

 

LAWMAKERS.

 

AND NIKI KELLY OF THE FORT WAYNE

 

JOURNAL GAZETTE.

 

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