WEBVTT 00:02.290 --> 00:05.290 align:start A STATE SENATE COMMITTEE 00:05.290 --> 00:06.220 align:start VOTES FOR LGB PROTECTIONS BUT 00:06.220 --> 00:07.260 align:start NO T. 00:07.260 --> 00:09.210 align:start WHAT HAPPENS NEXT? 00:09.210 --> 00:11.120 align:start A TAX CUT TOSSED IN WITH A 00:11.120 --> 00:12.200 align:start PAIR OF TAX HIKES, A VOTE FOR 00:12.200 --> 00:14.030 align:start MORE GUNS IN THE STATEHOUSE, 00:14.030 --> 00:15.100 align:start AND A PLAN FOR BETTER 00:15.100 --> 00:16.070 align:start TREATMENT OF MENTALLY ILL 00:16.070 --> 00:18.120 align:start PRISON INMATES. 00:18.120 --> 00:20.020 align:start THAT, PLUS CIVILITY AWARDS FOR 00:20.020 --> 00:21.130 align:start LAWMAKERS AND MORE ON "INDIANA 00:21.130 --> 00:23.080 align:start WEEK IN REVIEW" FOR THE WEEK 01:15.240 --> 01:16.090 align:start THIS WEEK... 01:16.090 --> 01:17.240 align:start THE CONFLICT BETWEEN RELIGIOUS 01:17.240 --> 01:19.100 align:start FREEDOM AND CIVIL RIGHTS LED 01:19.100 --> 01:20.040 align:start TO A FIVE-HOUR HEARING AT THE 01:27.150 --> 01:30.150 align:start STATEHOUSE. 01:30.150 --> 01:31.170 align:start THE SENATE RULES COMMITTEE 01:31.170 --> 01:32.080 align:start APPROVED A BILL TO EXTEND 01:32.080 --> 01:32.280 align:start CIVIL RIGHTS PROTECTIONS TO 01:32.280 --> 01:33.170 align:start GAY, LESBIAN AND BISEXUAL 01:33.170 --> 01:33.270 align:start PEOPLE. 01:33.270 --> 01:34.170 align:start BUT NOT TRANSGENDER MEN AND 01:34.170 --> 01:34.260 align:start WOMEN. 01:34.260 --> 01:35.150 align:start HERE'S THE TESTIMONY BY A 01:35.150 --> 01:36.030 align:start TRANSGENDER WOMAN NAMED 01:36.030 --> 01:36.240 align:start RHIANNON CARLSON FOLLOWED BY A 01:36.240 --> 01:37.150 align:start FLORIST FROM WASHINGTON STATE, 01:37.150 --> 01:38.050 align:start BARONELLE STUTZMAN, WHO SAYS 01:38.050 --> 01:39.130 align:start SHE WAS THREATENED AFTER 01:39.130 --> 01:40.080 align:start DECLINING SERVICE TO A 01:40.080 --> 01:43.080 align:start SAME-SEX COUPLE. 01:43.080 --> 01:44.010 align:start I'M HAPPY TO BE ALIVE TODAY 01:46.030 --> 01:49.030 align:start AS A PROUD TRANSGENDER WOMAN, 01:49.030 --> 01:50.230 align:start BUT MERE SURVIVAL IS STILL A 01:50.230 --> 01:53.020 align:start PART OF MY STORY. 01:53.020 --> 01:53.260 align:start I STILL WAIT FOR THE DAY THAT 01:53.260 --> 01:54.170 align:start I CAN BE MORE FOCUSED ON LIFE, 01:58.140 --> 02:01.160 align:start LIBERTY AND HAPPINESS. 02:01.160 --> 02:02.090 align:start IF YOU VOTE FOR THESE BILLS 02:02.090 --> 02:03.000 align:start YOU WILL BE SENDING A MESSAGE 02:03.000 --> 02:03.190 align:start TO THE CITIZENS OF INDIANA 02:03.190 --> 02:04.090 align:start THAT SHARE MY BELIEFS ABOUT 02:04.090 --> 02:04.200 align:start MARRIAGE. 02:04.200 --> 02:05.070 align:start THAT THEY WILL NOT BE 02:05.070 --> 02:05.250 align:start TOLERATED, THEY WILL BE 02:05.250 --> 02:06.130 align:start THREATENED, DRAGGED INTO 02:06.130 --> 02:07.020 align:start COURT, SUED AND LOSE THEIR 02:07.020 --> 02:07.210 align:start BUSINESS. 02:07.210 --> 02:09.210 align:start WILL THE SENATE SUPPORT NEW 02:09.210 --> 02:11.120 align:start CIVIL RIGHTS PROTECTIONS? 02:11.120 --> 02:13.010 align:start IT'S THE FIRST QUESTION FOR 02:13.010 --> 02:13.270 align:start OUR "INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW" 02:13.270 --> 02:14.290 align:start PANEL. 02:14.290 --> 02:17.110 align:start DEMOCRAT ANN DELANEY. 02:17.110 --> 02:18.260 align:start REPUBLICAN MIKE MCDANIEL. 02:18.260 --> 02:19.250 align:start JON SCHWANTES, THE HOST OF 02:19.250 --> 02:21.030 align:start "INDIANA LAWMAKERS" AND 02:21.030 --> 02:22.200 align:start JOHN KETZENBERGER, PRESIDENT 02:22.200 --> 02:23.120 align:start OF THE INDIANA FISCAL POLICY 02:23.120 --> 02:25.060 align:start INSTITUTE. 02:25.060 --> 02:26.020 align:start I'M WISH-TV STATEHOUSE 02:26.020 --> 02:27.050 align:start REPORTER JIM SHELLA. 02:27.050 --> 02:28.180 align:start ANN DELANEY, NO DEMOCRATS 02:28.180 --> 02:29.070 align:start VOTED FOR THIS BILL. 02:30.270 --> 02:33.270 align:start WHY NOT? 02:33.270 --> 02:34.170 align:start WELL, I MEAN, IT'S A 02:34.170 --> 02:36.030 align:start TERRIBLE BILL. 02:36.030 --> 02:38.030 align:start IT NOT ONLY INCLUDES 02:38.030 --> 02:39.090 align:start TRANSGENDER IF I UNDERSTAND IT 02:39.090 --> 02:40.240 align:start CORRECTLY YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE 02:40.240 --> 02:42.210 align:start IN AN ORGANIZED RELIGION YOU 02:42.210 --> 02:44.210 align:start CAN SAY IT'S YOUR RELIGION 02:44.210 --> 02:45.270 align:start PRINCIPLE AND YOU CAN REFUSE 02:45.270 --> 02:46.070 align:start SERVICE. 02:46.070 --> 02:47.270 align:start IT'S NOT ABOUT RELIGIOUS 02:47.270 --> 02:49.160 align:start FREEDOM, IT'S ABOUT BALANCING 02:49.160 --> 02:52.120 align:start CIVIL RIGHTS AND ENDING 02:52.120 --> 02:52.260 align:start DISCRIMINATION. 02:52.260 --> 02:53.270 align:start MIKE PENCE BROUGHT US TO THIS 02:53.270 --> 02:54.060 align:start POINT. 02:54.060 --> 02:56.000 align:start IT WAS HIS IDEA FOR RFRA AND 02:56.000 --> 02:57.150 align:start HE EMBARRASSED THE ENTIRE 02:57.150 --> 02:58.040 align:start STATE OF INDIANA IN THE 02:58.040 --> 02:59.030 align:start PROCESS OF DOING IT. 02:59.110 --> 03:02.130 align:start THE ONLY WAY TO DO THIS, WHICH 03:02.130 --> 03:04.270 align:start WON'T RESULT IN A NEGATIVE 03:05.080 --> 03:08.080 align:start STORY SOMEPLACE IS TO DO IT 03:08.080 --> 03:08.200 align:start COMPLETELY. 03:08.200 --> 03:09.280 align:start PUT FOUR WORDS AND A COMMA IN 03:09.280 --> 03:11.070 align:start THE CIVIL RIGHTS BILL. 03:11.070 --> 03:12.040 align:start HOUSE SPEAKER BRIAN BOSMA 03:12.040 --> 03:13.100 align:start SAYS HE DOESN'T KNOW ANYBODY 03:13.100 --> 03:15.130 align:start WHO LIKES THE VERSION THAT 03:15.130 --> 03:16.280 align:start IT'S IN NOW. 03:16.280 --> 03:19.100 align:start THIS HAS GOT A LONG WAYS TO GO 03:19.100 --> 03:20.190 align:start BEFORE IT'S GOING TO BECOME 03:20.190 --> 03:20.280 align:start LAW. 03:20.280 --> 03:23.070 align:start THE IMPORTANT THING IS IT'S 03:23.070 --> 03:24.160 align:start STILL GOING. 03:24.160 --> 03:26.030 align:start DAVID LONG HAS PROVIDED 03:26.030 --> 03:27.130 align:start TREMENDOUS LEADERSHIP ON THIS 03:27.130 --> 03:29.010 align:start BECAUSE HE'S KEPT THIS ISSUE 03:29.010 --> 03:31.060 align:start ALIVE AS HE PROMISED HE WOULD. 03:31.060 --> 03:32.090 align:start HE'S PASSED IT OUT OF THE 03:32.090 --> 03:32.280 align:start RULES COMMITTEE. 03:32.280 --> 03:35.030 align:start IT WILL GO TO THE PUBLIC 03:35.030 --> 03:37.090 align:start SAFETY DIRECTOR, WILL BE 03:37.090 --> 03:38.180 align:start AVAILABLE TUESDAY AND HAS TO 03:38.180 --> 03:39.210 align:start BE HEARD I THINK WEDNESDAY, 03:39.210 --> 03:41.120 align:start PASSED THROUGH THE FIRST HALF, 03:41.120 --> 03:44.080 align:start IF IT'S GOING TO PASS, SO -- 03:44.080 --> 03:45.240 align:start AND HE HAS SAID THAT HE WANTS 03:45.240 --> 03:48.020 align:start TO KEEP THIS BILL AS CLEAN AS 03:48.020 --> 03:49.080 align:start IT IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE STRUCK 03:49.080 --> 03:50.270 align:start A BALANCE INSIDE THAT CAUCUS 03:50.270 --> 03:52.270 align:start THAT THIS IS WHAT MIGHT BE 03:52.270 --> 03:53.270 align:start ACCEPTABLE AT THIS POINT IN 03:53.270 --> 03:55.150 align:start THE PROCESS. 03:55.150 --> 03:57.090 align:start SO -- AND AS WE ALL KNOW, 03:57.090 --> 03:58.120 align:start POLITICS IS THE ART OF THE 03:58.120 --> 03:59.210 align:start POSSIBLE AND THAT'S CERTAINLY 03:59.210 --> 04:01.080 align:start TRUE OF LEGISLATION AND IN 04:01.080 --> 04:03.040 align:start THIS CASE DAVID LONG HAS MOVED 04:03.040 --> 04:04.170 align:start ALONG AND HE OUGHT TO BE 04:04.170 --> 04:06.260 align:start CREDITED FOR THAT AND IT DOES 04:06.260 --> 04:09.040 align:start HAVE RELIGIOUS PROTECTION AND 04:09.040 --> 04:10.010 align:start BREAKS NEW GROUND IN CIVIL 04:10.010 --> 04:11.200 align:start RIGHTS THAT THEY'VE NEVER BEEN 04:11.200 --> 04:13.110 align:start WILLING TO GO BEFORE. 04:13.110 --> 04:15.130 align:start SO I'M GLAD HE'S KEPT IT 04:15.130 --> 04:16.250 align:start ALIVE, I'M GLAD THE DEBATE'S 04:16.250 --> 04:17.280 align:start GOING ON AND I THINK IT WILL 04:17.280 --> 04:18.210 align:start PASS THE SENATE. 04:18.210 --> 04:20.130 align:start WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND WHAT 04:20.130 --> 04:22.280 align:start DAVID LONG IS SAYING IS THE 04:22.280 --> 04:25.150 align:start SENATE WILL NOT SUPPORT 04:25.150 --> 04:26.250 align:start TRANSGENDER PROTECTION AND 04:26.250 --> 04:29.130 align:start WHAT THE LBGT COMMUNITY IS 04:29.130 --> 04:30.160 align:start SAYING IS THEY WON'T LEAVE 04:30.160 --> 04:31.190 align:start THEM OUT. 04:31.190 --> 04:33.010 align:start SO DO THEY TRY TO KILL IT AT 04:33.010 --> 04:34.050 align:start SOME POINT? 04:34.050 --> 04:35.060 align:start OH, I THINK THAT'S A GIVEN. 04:35.060 --> 04:37.090 align:start I THINK THAT YOU HAVE STRONG 04:37.090 --> 04:39.130 align:start FEELINGS, AND DAVID LONG EVEN 04:39.130 --> 04:41.010 align:start MADE REFERENCE TO THIS, THERE 04:41.010 --> 04:42.210 align:start ARE STRONG, STRONG FEELINGS ON 04:42.210 --> 04:45.010 align:start BOTH SIDES OF THIS ISSUE AT 04:45.010 --> 04:45.270 align:start THE EXTREMES. 04:45.270 --> 04:47.120 align:start AND I DON'T THINK EITHER SIDE 04:49.060 --> 04:52.060 align:start IS NECESSARILY IN A MOOD FOR 04:52.060 --> 04:52.180 align:start COMPROMISE. 04:52.180 --> 04:53.180 align:start RELIGIOUS FREEDOM FOLKS 04:53.180 --> 04:56.030 align:start DON'T WANT ANY PROTECTION -- 04:56.030 --> 04:56.240 align:start RIGHT. 04:56.240 --> 04:58.060 align:start SO RIGHT NOW EVERYBODY'S 04:58.060 --> 04:58.160 align:start UNHAPPY. 04:58.160 --> 05:00.070 align:start THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. 05:00.070 --> 05:01.160 align:start YES, THERE HAS BEEN AN ATTEMPT 05:01.160 --> 05:04.020 align:start TO COMPROMISE, BUT SOME OF THE 05:04.020 --> 05:05.230 align:start COMPROMISES SEEM A BIT FORCED 05:05.270 --> 05:08.270 align:start IN THAT THEY MAY CAUSE MORE 05:08.270 --> 05:11.020 align:start TROUBLE THAN ARE INTEND THE. 05:11.020 --> 05:12.230 align:start IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE 05:12.230 --> 05:13.110 align:start CORE ISSUE. 05:13.110 --> 05:15.190 align:start BUT THE NOTION OF HOME RULE 05:15.190 --> 05:17.200 align:start AND MUNICIPAL ORDINANCES, 05:17.200 --> 05:18.110 align:start INITIALLY, YOU KNOW, THIS 05:18.110 --> 05:19.290 align:start WOULD SUPERSEDE EVERYTHING BUT 05:19.290 --> 05:21.040 align:start NOW AS IT'S WRITTEN, AS I 05:21.040 --> 05:22.200 align:start UNDERSTAND IT, YOU WOULD HAVE 05:22.200 --> 05:23.190 align:start ALL ORDINANCES THAT ARE IN 05:23.190 --> 05:25.220 align:start PLACE AS OF DECEMBER 31st 05:25.220 --> 05:27.100 align:start COULD REMAIN IN PLACE BUT NO 05:27.100 --> 05:28.150 align:start NEW ONES WHICH SEEMS TO ME IF 05:28.150 --> 05:30.190 align:start YOU HAVE A CHANGE IN 05:30.190 --> 05:32.100 align:start LEADERSHIP OR A COUNCIL IN A 05:32.100 --> 05:34.100 align:start GIVEN MUNICIPAL AND SAID 05:34.100 --> 05:35.160 align:start EFFECTIVELY IT'S 05:35.160 --> 05:37.010 align:start DISENFRANCHISED ON UNABLE TO 05:37.010 --> 05:39.100 align:start ACT IN A MANNER THAT A 05:39.100 --> 05:40.180 align:start NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY HAS THAT 05:40.250 --> 05:43.250 align:start SEEMS LIKE IT'S RIPE FOR 05:43.250 --> 05:44.070 align:start CHALLENGE. 05:53.010 --> 05:56.010 align:start IT HAS NUMEROUS PROBLEMS. 05:56.010 --> 05:56.270 align:start IT REPEALS RFRA AND THE FIX 05:56.270 --> 05:57.110 align:start FROM LAST YEAR. 05:57.110 --> 05:57.240 align:start RIGHT. 05:57.240 --> 05:58.140 align:start IS THAT A GOOD MOVE? 05:58.140 --> 05:59.070 align:start WELL, I THINK IN THE SCOPE 05:59.070 --> 05:59.260 align:start OF THE BILL, IT MAKES SOME 05:59.260 --> 06:00.180 align:start SENSE BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING 06:00.180 --> 06:01.090 align:start TO REPLACE IT WITH THIS OTHER 06:01.090 --> 06:01.200 align:start LANGUAGE. 06:01.200 --> 06:02.100 align:start BUT I DO THINK THAT IT'S GOT 06:02.100 --> 06:03.010 align:start REAL PROBLEMS WHEN IT HITS THE 06:03.010 --> 06:03.100 align:start HOUSE. 06:03.100 --> 06:04.010 align:start I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO -- I 06:04.010 --> 06:04.160 align:start AGREE WITH MIKE -- 06:04.160 --> 06:05.060 align:start IF IT HITS THE HOUSE. 06:05.060 --> 06:05.230 align:start RIGHT. 06:05.230 --> 06:08.180 align:start IF IT HITS THE HOUSE. 06:08.180 --> 06:08.260 align:start BUT 06:08.260 --> 06:09.130 align:start I THINK MIKE IS RIGHT. 06:09.130 --> 06:10.030 align:start TO GET IT TO THIS POINT IS A 06:10.030 --> 06:10.250 align:start REMARKABLE FEAT. 06:11.250 --> 06:14.250 align:start IF IT GOES BEYOND THIS POINT 06:14.250 --> 06:15.110 align:start WE'LL WAIT TO SEE. 06:15.110 --> 06:16.050 align:start BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH 06:16.050 --> 06:16.250 align:start REMEMBERING THAT THE PEOPLE 06:16.250 --> 06:18.010 align:start WHO ARE FOR RELIGIOUS FREEDOM 06:18.070 --> 06:21.070 align:start AND THE PEOPLE ARE FOR LBGTQ 06:21.130 --> 06:24.130 align:start SITUATION, IF THIS BILL DIES 06:24.130 --> 06:25.230 align:start AND NOTHING HAPPENS, THEN WE 06:25.230 --> 06:26.120 align:start REVERT TO WHAT WE'VE BEEN 06:26.120 --> 06:27.020 align:start UNDER IN THE LAST YEAR AND I 06:27.020 --> 06:27.240 align:start THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE 06:27.240 --> 06:28.150 align:start GENERAL ASSEMBLY WOULD BE JUST 06:28.150 --> 06:28.290 align:start FINE WITH THAT. 06:28.290 --> 06:29.200 align:start EVERYBODY ELSE WOULD BE PRETTY 06:29.200 --> 06:30.130 align:start UPSET. 06:30.130 --> 06:31.060 align:start I THINK THE GOVERNOR WOULD 06:31.070 --> 06:34.070 align:start BE JUST FINE WITH THAT. 06:34.070 --> 06:35.030 align:start BUT I THINK EVERYBODY ELSE 06:35.030 --> 06:35.220 align:start WOULD BE PRETTY FINE IF IT 06:35.220 --> 06:36.130 align:start RESULTS AS SENATE BILL 50 AS A 06:36.130 --> 06:38.130 align:start FIX LAST YEAR. 06:38.130 --> 06:40.070 align:start BUT THE PROBLEM IS WE PUT 06:40.070 --> 06:43.070 align:start THIS OUT AS AN ISSUE IN 06:43.070 --> 06:43.280 align:start INDIANA. 06:43.280 --> 06:44.280 align:start I AGREE. 06:44.280 --> 06:46.290 align:start AND EVERYBODY'S GOING 06:46.290 --> 06:47.190 align:start TO FOLLOW WHAT WE'RE DOING 06:47.190 --> 06:48.100 align:start HERE AND EVEN IF OTHER STATES 06:48.100 --> 06:48.290 align:start DON'T HAVE THIS PROTECTION 06:48.290 --> 06:49.190 align:start WE'RE THE STATE THAT OPENED 06:49.190 --> 06:50.100 align:start THE PANDORA'S BOX AND WE HAVE 06:50.100 --> 06:50.260 align:start TO FIX IT AND FIX IT 06:50.260 --> 06:51.290 align:start CORRECTLY. 06:51.290 --> 06:53.030 align:start AND IF THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH 06:53.030 --> 06:54.220 align:start GUMPTION IN THE LEGISLATURE 06:54.220 --> 06:56.030 align:start TO UNDO THE DAMAGE THEY'VE 06:56.030 --> 06:58.050 align:start DONE THEY OUGHT TO RESIGN 06:58.050 --> 06:59.250 align:start THEIR SEATS, THAT'S WHAT THEY 06:59.250 --> 07:02.120 align:start OUGHT TO DO. 07:02.120 --> 07:03.050 align:start WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT 07:03.050 --> 07:03.230 align:start THIS ISSUE OVER THE LAST 07:03.230 --> 07:04.130 align:start COUPLE YEARS ABOUT EVOLVING 07:04.130 --> 07:05.000 align:start AND PEOPLE'S ATTITUDES 07:05.000 --> 07:05.270 align:start CHANGING, I KNOW PEOPLE IN 07:05.270 --> 07:07.060 align:start THIS GROUP WHOSE ATTITUDES 07:07.060 --> 07:09.270 align:start HAVE CHANGED AND -- BUT 07:09.270 --> 07:10.260 align:start DIFFERENT PEOPLE COME TO 07:10.260 --> 07:11.150 align:start CONCLUSIONS AT DIFFERENT 07:11.150 --> 07:14.150 align:start TIMES. 07:14.150 --> 07:16.090 align:start AND I BELIEVE THAT ONE OF THE 07:16.090 --> 07:17.120 align:start REASONS THAT WE'RE WHERE WE 07:17.120 --> 07:19.200 align:start ARE IN THE SENATE RIGHT NOW IS 07:19.200 --> 07:20.250 align:start BECAUSE LEGISLATORS ARE NOT 07:20.250 --> 07:23.000 align:start FEELING THE SAME KIND OF 07:23.000 --> 07:25.170 align:start CHANGE IN SOME OF THEIR OWN 07:25.170 --> 07:26.100 align:start DISTRICTS BECAUSE LEGISLATORS 07:26.100 --> 07:27.070 align:start FOR THE MOST PART -- YOU MAY 07:27.070 --> 07:29.270 align:start BELIEVE THIS OR NOT BELIEVE 07:29.270 --> 07:30.170 align:start THIS -- BUT THEY USUALLY 07:30.170 --> 07:31.060 align:start REFLECT THE PEOPLE THEY 07:31.060 --> 07:32.040 align:start REPRESENT BECAUSE THEY SPEND 07:32.040 --> 07:34.240 align:start MOST OF THEIR TIME DOING JUST 07:34.240 --> 07:35.060 align:start THAT. 07:35.060 --> 07:35.250 align:start SO THERE ARE PARTS OF THE 07:35.250 --> 07:37.260 align:start STATE WHERE PEOPLE ARE NOT UP 07:37.260 --> 07:38.170 align:start TO SPEED ON THIS ON TRYING TO 07:38.170 --> 07:40.110 align:start MAKE THESE KIND OF CHANGES. 07:40.110 --> 07:41.200 align:start I THINK THAT'S COMING THROUGH 07:41.200 --> 07:42.170 align:start RIGHT NOW AND THAT'S WHY DAVID 07:42.170 --> 07:43.060 align:start LONG IS TRYING TO STRIKE A 07:43.060 --> 07:45.170 align:start BALANCE HERE. 07:45.170 --> 07:46.080 align:start WHEN YOU HAVE IT AS AN 07:46.080 --> 07:48.020 align:start INDIVIDUAL -- HOW DO YOU 07:48.020 --> 07:49.240 align:start DETERMINE WHAT SOMEBODY'S 07:49.240 --> 07:51.060 align:start INDIVIDUAL RELIGIOUS BELIEFS 07:51.060 --> 07:52.270 align:start ARE? 07:52.270 --> 07:53.170 align:start WE'LL BE LITIGATING THIS IT 07:53.170 --> 07:54.290 align:start UNTIL THE COWS COME OVER. 07:54.290 --> 07:57.190 align:start IT'S ADVANCING. 07:57.190 --> 07:58.250 align:start ANN, IT'S STILL ALIVE. 07:58.250 --> 08:01.100 align:start I AGREE WITH THAT 08:01.100 --> 08:02.020 align:start IT TOOK COURAGE TO GET IT 08:02.020 --> 08:03.230 align:start WHERE IT IS. 08:05.270 --> 08:08.270 align:start I AGREE IT'S GETTING 08:08.270 --> 08:09.070 align:start DEBATE, 08:09.070 --> 08:09.230 align:start THAT'S A GOOD THING. 08:09.230 --> 08:10.120 align:start BUT AT THE END OF THAT TO 08:10.120 --> 08:11.030 align:start RESOLVE INDIANA'S IMAGE IT HAS 08:11.030 --> 08:11.150 align:start TO BE FIXED. 08:11.150 --> 08:12.070 align:start LONG PROMISED THERE WOULD 08:12.070 --> 08:12.210 align:start BE A DISCUSSION. 08:12.210 --> 08:13.110 align:start HE'S FULFILLED HIS PROMISE. 08:13.110 --> 08:14.000 align:start AND HE'S CONTINUED. 08:14.080 --> 08:17.080 align:start THAT'S UNDER TOUGH 08:17.080 --> 08:17.290 align:start CIRCUMSTANCE FOR HIM TO BE 08:18.180 --> 08:21.180 align:start DOING THIS INSIDE HIS OWN 08:21.180 --> 08:21.280 align:start CAUCUS. 08:21.280 --> 08:22.210 align:start YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT ABOUT 08:22.210 --> 08:23.110 align:start THE EVOLUTION ON THIS ISSUE, 08:23.110 --> 08:24.020 align:start HOW RAPID THE CHANGE HAS BEEN. 08:24.020 --> 08:25.070 align:start THAT'S WHY IT'S A GUARANTEE NO 08:25.070 --> 08:26.100 align:start MATTER WHAT HAPPENS EVEN AS 08:26.100 --> 08:28.220 align:start JOHN SUGGESTS NOTHING HAPPENS 08:28.290 --> 08:31.290 align:start IN THIS SESSION THE ISSUE 08:31.290 --> 08:34.160 align:start AND IT REVERTS BACK TO THE 08:34.160 --> 08:37.020 align:start ISSUE WE HAVE IN PLACE, IT 08:37.020 --> 08:37.220 align:start DOESN'T GO AWAY BECAUSE THIS 08:37.220 --> 08:38.120 align:start WILL BE BACK AND FORTH AS A 08:38.120 --> 08:39.020 align:start PING-PONG BALL AND HOW ABOUT 08:39.020 --> 08:39.160 align:start THE NEXT DECADE. 08:39.160 --> 08:40.080 align:start AS FAR AS THE ELECTION'S 08:40.080 --> 08:40.270 align:start CONCERNED I THINK AT THAT 08:40.270 --> 08:41.160 align:start POINT YOU WILL CLEARLY SEE 08:41.160 --> 08:42.070 align:start WHERE PEOPLE OF INDIANA REALLY 08:42.070 --> 08:42.220 align:start ARE ON THIS ISSUE. 08:42.220 --> 08:43.120 align:start BECAUSE WE'LL FIND OUT IN A 08:51.070 --> 08:54.070 align:start HURRY WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS 08:54.070 --> 08:54.280 align:start HURRY WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS 08:54.280 --> 08:55.190 align:start AN ISSUE IS THE KIND THAT CAN 08:55.190 --> 08:56.090 align:start DETERMINE AN ELECTION FOR A 08:56.090 --> 08:57.130 align:start MEMBER OF THE LEGISLATURE. 08:57.130 --> 08:58.240 align:start INTERESTING TO SEE. 08:58.240 --> 09:01.020 align:start MOVING ON -- 09:01.020 --> 09:01.230 align:start A BILL THAT INCLUDES TAX 09:01.230 --> 09:02.130 align:start HIKES ON GAS AND CIGARETTES 09:02.130 --> 09:04.020 align:start NOW INCLUDES A TAX CUT. 09:04.020 --> 09:06.030 align:start THE HOUSE WAYS AND MEANS 09:06.030 --> 09:07.190 align:start COMMITTEE ADDED A PROVISION TO 09:07.190 --> 09:08.270 align:start THE ROAD FUNDING BILL THAT 09:08.270 --> 09:10.200 align:start WOULD REDUCE THE STATE INCOME 09:10.200 --> 09:13.050 align:start TAX OVER A TEN-YEAR PERIOD. 09:13.050 --> 09:14.040 align:start IT'S AN OBVIOUS ATTEMPT TO 09:14.040 --> 09:15.120 align:start SWEETEN THE BILL AND ATTRACT 09:15.120 --> 09:17.050 align:start VOTES FROM TAX HIKE OPPONENTS. 09:17.050 --> 09:18.240 align:start HOUSE SPEAKER BRIAN BOSMA. 09:18.240 --> 09:19.280 align:start IS THAT MY FIRST CHOICE? 09:20.230 --> 09:23.230 align:start ABSOLUTELY NOT. 09:23.230 --> 09:26.170 align:start AM I HOPING TO MAKE THE 09:26.170 --> 09:27.040 align:start PACKAGE A LITTLE MORE 09:27.040 --> 09:27.220 align:start ATTRACTIVE TO OUR SENATE 09:27.220 --> 09:28.130 align:start COLLEAGUES AND MEET ONE OF THE 09:28.130 --> 09:29.030 align:start GOVERNOR'S LONG TERM GOALS? 09:29.030 --> 09:29.180 align:start YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 09:29.180 --> 09:30.240 align:start IS THAT PRUDENT? 09:30.240 --> 09:31.200 align:start AND A LOT OF THAT DEPENDS ON 09:31.200 --> 09:32.260 align:start THE ECONOMIC CIRCUMSTANCES OF 09:32.260 --> 09:34.050 align:start THE STATE AT THE TIME WE 09:34.050 --> 09:35.250 align:start CONSIDER PASSING IT, BUT I 09:35.250 --> 09:36.180 align:start THINK THOSE ARE TWO SEPARATE 09:38.050 --> 09:41.050 align:start ISSUES. 09:41.050 --> 09:42.170 align:start AND THAT'S SENATE LEADER 09:42.170 --> 09:43.290 align:start DAVID LONG. 09:43.290 --> 09:45.230 align:start MIKE McDANIEL, WHAT MAKES 09:45.230 --> 09:47.100 align:start SENSE ABOUT CUTTING TAXES AT 09:48.150 --> 09:51.150 align:start THE SAME TIME THAT YOU RAISE 09:51.150 --> 09:51.240 align:start THEM? 09:51.240 --> 09:52.170 align:start I THINK POLITICALLY IT MADE 09:52.170 --> 09:53.040 align:start A LOT OF SENSE ON THE 09:53.040 --> 09:53.230 align:start POLITICAL END OF IT TRYING 09:53.230 --> 09:54.140 align:start TO -- AS I SAID BEFORE, LAST 09:54.140 --> 09:55.150 align:start WEEK, WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF 09:55.150 --> 09:57.000 align:start THE LEGISLATION, 09:57.000 --> 09:57.250 align:start REPRESENTATIVE SOLIDAY PUT A 09:57.250 --> 09:58.160 align:start LOT OF THOUGHT INTO THIS BILL. 09:58.160 --> 09:59.280 align:start ED SOLIDAY. 10:01.250 --> 10:04.250 align:start THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD WORK 10:04.250 --> 10:05.170 align:start THAT'S BEING GOING INTO THIS 10:05.170 --> 10:06.050 align:start LOOKING FOR A LONG-TERM 10:06.050 --> 10:06.240 align:start SOLUTION. 10:06.240 --> 10:08.000 align:start BUT AS WE SAID BEFORE, THE 10:08.000 --> 10:09.220 align:start POLITICS OF A NONBUDGET 10:09.220 --> 10:11.070 align:start ELECTION YEAR, TRYING TO GET 10:11.070 --> 10:12.230 align:start THIS DONE, IS PRETTY DIFFICULT 10:12.230 --> 10:14.260 align:start AT BEST. 10:14.260 --> 10:17.020 align:start AND SO GOING TO THE SENATE, I 10:17.020 --> 10:18.050 align:start DON'T THINK THIS HAS ANY 10:18.050 --> 10:19.120 align:start CHANCE OF HAPPENING OVER THERE 10:19.120 --> 10:21.140 align:start BUT I DO THINK YOU'RE GOING TO 10:21.140 --> 10:22.260 align:start SEE LEGISLATION PASSED THIS 10:22.260 --> 10:25.170 align:start YEAR THAT WILL DEDICATE MONEY 10:25.170 --> 10:26.200 align:start TO ROADS, LOCAL AND STATE, BUT 10:26.200 --> 10:27.070 align:start IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A 10:27.070 --> 10:28.230 align:start LONG-TERM FIX. 10:28.230 --> 10:29.190 align:start YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THAT 10:29.190 --> 10:31.190 align:start UNTIL THE BUDGET YEAR, PERIOD. 10:32.010 --> 10:35.010 align:start THE HOUSE SPEAKER SAYS THAT 10:35.010 --> 10:35.270 align:start THIS BILL, WITH THE TAX HIKES 10:35.270 --> 10:37.100 align:start AND THE TAX CUT, WOULD BE 10:37.100 --> 10:38.040 align:start REVENUE-NEUTRAL AFTER EIGHT 10:38.040 --> 10:39.040 align:start YEARS. 10:39.040 --> 10:40.160 align:start IT'S RIDICULOUS. 10:40.160 --> 10:41.120 align:start BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT WILL 10:41.120 --> 10:43.000 align:start HAPPEN WITH THIS. 10:43.000 --> 10:43.270 align:start THEY STRETCH IT OVER AN 10:43.270 --> 10:45.020 align:start EIGHT-YEAR PERIOD SO THE NEXT 10:45.020 --> 10:47.210 align:start YEAR OR THE YEAR AFTER WHEN 10:47.210 --> 10:49.080 align:start NOBODY'S PAYING ATTENTION IT 10:49.080 --> 10:50.260 align:start WILL GET REPEALED. 10:50.260 --> 10:51.200 align:start REMEMBER WHEN WE HAD TOO MUCH 10:51.200 --> 10:52.210 align:start IN THE SURPLUS IT WAS GOING TO 10:52.210 --> 10:54.120 align:start GO BACK, GUESS WHAT, THAT GOT 10:54.120 --> 10:56.050 align:start REPEALED AND THIS WILL, TOO. 10:56.050 --> 10:58.070 align:start BUT THE IDEA IS THEY'VE GOT TO 10:58.070 --> 10:59.110 align:start FACE UP TO THE RESPONSIBILITY. 10:59.110 --> 11:00.190 align:start THE RESPONSIBILITY IS TO COME 11:00.190 --> 11:03.140 align:start UP WITH A SENSIBLE WAY FOR 11:03.140 --> 11:05.080 align:start LONG-TERM FUNDING OF ROADS. 11:05.080 --> 11:06.200 align:start AND THE CIGARETTE TAX AND 11:06.200 --> 11:07.210 align:start MOVING THE MONEY AROUND THE 11:07.210 --> 11:09.090 align:start GENERAL FUND AND ARGUABLY 11:09.090 --> 11:12.060 align:start TAKING MONEY FROM HIGHER 11:12.060 --> 11:12.290 align:start EDUCATION AND EDUCATION TO DO 11:12.290 --> 11:14.030 align:start THAT IS NOT THE WAY. 11:14.030 --> 11:14.280 align:start YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO 11:14.280 --> 11:16.050 align:start INCREASE THE REVENUE. 11:16.050 --> 11:17.260 align:start YOU'RE SAYING THAT'S WHAT 11:17.260 --> 11:19.120 align:start WOULD HAPPEN IF THEY CUT THE 11:19.120 --> 11:20.160 align:start INCOME TAX, WHAT THE 11:20.160 --> 11:21.070 align:start REPUBLICANS ARE SAYING IS IT 11:21.070 --> 11:21.260 align:start WOULD REDUCE THE SURPLUS. 11:23.150 --> 11:26.150 align:start WELL, IT WOULD REDUCE THE 11:28.020 --> 11:31.020 align:start SURPLUS FOR USES IN OTHER 11:31.020 --> 11:32.100 align:start PLACES, AND IF THE SURPLUS 11:32.100 --> 11:33.030 align:start FALLS BELOW A CERTAIN LEVEL 11:33.030 --> 11:33.280 align:start THEN YOU DO HAVE REAL PROBLEMS 11:33.280 --> 11:34.200 align:start WHEN IT COMES TO CASH FLOW FOR 11:34.200 --> 11:36.070 align:start THE BUDGET OVERALL AND YOU DO 11:36.070 --> 11:36.160 align:start SEE -- 11:36.160 --> 11:37.070 align:start NOT THE CORPORATE CASH 11:37.070 --> 11:38.160 align:start FLOW. 11:38.160 --> 11:39.080 align:start THE DEMOCRAT PLAN'S NOT A 11:39.080 --> 11:39.240 align:start LONG-TERM SITUATION. 11:39.240 --> 11:40.150 align:start THAT'S NOT THE ARGUMENT 11:40.150 --> 11:40.270 align:start HERE, MIKE. 11:41.110 --> 11:44.110 align:start THE ARGUMENT IS WHETHER OR NOT 11:44.110 --> 11:47.110 align:start IT MAKES SENSE TO REDUCE THE 11:47.110 --> 11:48.030 align:start INCOME TAX AT THE SAME TIME 11:48.030 --> 11:49.260 align:start YOU'RE INCREASING THE GAS TAX. 11:49.260 --> 11:51.260 align:start IT'S A POLITICALLY 11:51.260 --> 11:52.270 align:start UNDERSTANDABLE MOVE. 11:52.270 --> 11:53.200 align:start IT'S BAD PUBLIC POLICY. 11:54.040 --> 11:57.040 align:start RIGHT. 11:57.040 --> 11:57.240 align:start WELL, AND IT'S AIMED 11:57.240 --> 11:58.170 align:start EVENTUALLY AT GETTING THE 11:58.170 --> 12:00.200 align:start GOVERNOR TO SIGN IT. 12:00.200 --> 12:01.130 align:start WILL HE SIGN A BILL WITH TAX 12:01.130 --> 12:03.000 align:start HIKES IN IT? 12:03.000 --> 12:04.160 align:start I THINK HE WOULD BE 12:04.160 --> 12:06.090 align:start RELUCTANT FOR THE VERY REASON 12:06.090 --> 12:07.210 align:start YOU MENTIONED, THIS BEING -- 12:09.200 --> 12:12.200 align:start NOVEMBER'S NOT THAT TERRIBLY 12:12.200 --> 12:13.110 align:start FAR AWAY, WHEN VOTERS GO TO 12:13.110 --> 12:13.220 align:start THE POLLS. 12:13.220 --> 12:15.230 align:start IT'S A TOUGH ISSUE. 12:15.230 --> 12:16.160 align:start I MEAN, ULTIMATELY I THINK 12:16.160 --> 12:17.200 align:start THERE'S GOT TO BE A 12:17.200 --> 12:18.210 align:start RECOGNITION -- AND WE CAN CALL 12:18.210 --> 12:20.210 align:start IT WHATEVER YOU WANT, TAX 12:20.210 --> 12:21.090 align:start INCREASE, USER FEE -- 12:21.090 --> 12:22.030 align:start WALKS LIKE A DUCK, TALKS 12:22.030 --> 12:23.210 align:start LIKE A DUCK. 12:23.210 --> 12:24.240 align:start WHATEVER IT IS. 12:24.240 --> 12:26.000 align:start REVENUE -- EXPENSES GO UP, 12:26.000 --> 12:26.220 align:start COSTS GO UP, THEY GO UP IN THE 12:26.220 --> 12:28.090 align:start REST OF THE WORLD. 12:28.090 --> 12:30.280 align:start GOVERNMENT DOESN'T OPERATE IN 12:30.280 --> 12:31.230 align:start A VACUUM, AND IF PEOPLE WANT 12:31.230 --> 12:32.240 align:start THE SERVICES AND THE ROADS AND 12:32.240 --> 12:34.250 align:start THE BRIDGES THAT THEY EXPECT 12:34.250 --> 12:35.210 align:start AND DEMAND, SOMEBODY'S GOT TO 12:35.210 --> 12:38.110 align:start PAY FOR IT. 12:38.110 --> 12:39.060 align:start NOW, WHETHER THAT'S BEING 12:45.020 --> 12:48.020 align:start PASSED OFF TO THE LOCALS TO DO 12:48.020 --> 12:48.190 align:start INCREASE OR ADDITIONAL 12:48.190 --> 12:49.080 align:start SURCHARGE WHEEL CHARGE, IT 12:49.080 --> 12:49.270 align:start DOESN'T MATTER IN THE END 12:49.270 --> 12:50.180 align:start SOMEBODY'S GOT TO PRODUCE THE 12:50.180 --> 12:50.280 align:start REVENUE. 12:50.280 --> 12:51.200 align:start WE NEED AN ONGOING SOURCE 12:51.200 --> 12:52.100 align:start THAT'S RELATED TO THE ROADS 12:52.100 --> 12:52.280 align:start AND THAT'S OBVIOUSLY AN 12:52.280 --> 12:54.120 align:start INCREASE IN GAS TAX. 12:54.120 --> 12:55.030 align:start THE MONEY GOING TO THE 12:55.030 --> 12:55.170 align:start RELATED SOURCE. 12:55.170 --> 12:56.060 align:start DUH. 12:56.060 --> 12:56.260 align:start THIS IS MESSY AT THE 12:58.220 --> 13:01.240 align:start MOMENT. 13:01.240 --> 13:02.100 align:start ALL RIGHT. 13:02.100 --> 13:03.020 align:start A BILL THAT WOULD ALLOW 200 13:03.020 --> 13:03.220 align:start STAFF MEMBERS TO CARRY GUNS 13:03.220 --> 13:04.180 align:start INSIDE THE STATEHOUSE IS NOW 13:04.180 --> 13:05.160 align:start ON ITS WAY TO THE INDIANA 13:05.290 --> 13:08.290 align:start HOUSE FLOOR. 13:08.290 --> 13:10.120 align:start THE BILL PASSED THE STATE 13:10.120 --> 13:11.160 align:start SENATE 36-13 THIS WEEK. 13:11.160 --> 13:13.070 align:start LAWMAKERS AND JUDGES CAN 13:13.070 --> 13:13.270 align:start ALREADY CARRY GUNS AND MANY 13:13.270 --> 13:15.130 align:start DO. 13:15.130 --> 13:16.190 align:start STATE SENATOR BRENT STEELE 13:16.190 --> 13:17.100 align:start SAYS OTHERS SHOULD HAVE THE 13:17.100 --> 13:19.250 align:start SAME OPPORTUNITY. 13:19.250 --> 13:21.010 align:start THAT IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO 13:21.010 --> 13:21.190 align:start CARRY, THAT'S YOUR 13:21.190 --> 13:22.090 align:start PREROGATIVE. 13:22.090 --> 13:24.030 align:start GO FOR IT. 13:24.030 --> 13:26.240 align:start I CHOOSE NOT TO BE A VICTIM. 13:26.240 --> 13:29.060 align:start I WOULD CHOOSE THAT MY 13:29.060 --> 13:29.270 align:start LEGISLATIVE ASSISTANT HAS THE 13:30.090 --> 13:33.090 align:start RIGHT NOT TO BE A VICTIM. 13:34.040 --> 13:37.040 align:start JOHN KETZENBERGER, WHY NOT 13:37.040 --> 13:38.130 align:start LET EVERYBODY CARRY A GUN IN 13:38.130 --> 13:40.210 align:start THE STATEHOUSE? 13:40.210 --> 13:41.170 align:start USING THE SAME LOGIC THAT 13:41.170 --> 13:42.050 align:start SENATOR STEELE USED THE 13:42.050 --> 13:42.260 align:start QUESTION IS WHY NOT BECAUSE IF 13:42.260 --> 13:44.240 align:start BY DEFAULT HE OR HIS 13:44.240 --> 13:45.180 align:start LEGISLATIVE ASSISTANT WILL NOT 13:45.180 --> 13:47.050 align:start BE A VICTIM IF THEY CARRY GUNS 13:47.050 --> 13:48.220 align:start THEN EVERYBODY ELSE WILL BE. 13:48.220 --> 13:49.140 align:start SO WHY NOT LET EVERYBODY ELSE 13:49.160 --> 13:52.160 align:start CARRY GUNS. 13:52.160 --> 13:53.120 align:start I MEAN, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE 13:53.210 --> 13:56.210 align:start LINE OF DEMARCATION AND IT 13:56.210 --> 13:59.170 align:start DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, REALLY. 13:59.170 --> 14:00.270 align:start THIS IS THE NRA -- 14:00.270 --> 14:01.250 align:start RUNNING AMOK. 14:01.250 --> 14:03.080 align:start I WASN'T GOING TO SAY THAT. 14:03.080 --> 14:05.210 align:start I'LL SAY IT FOR YOU. 14:05.210 --> 14:06.150 align:start THEIR ANSWER IS NOT FEWER 14:06.150 --> 14:09.090 align:start GUNS, IT'S MORE GUNS. 14:09.090 --> 14:10.110 align:start I THINK THAT'S -- I THINK 14:10.170 --> 14:13.170 align:start THAT'S RIGHT OVERALL. 14:13.170 --> 14:14.240 align:start I MEAN, THIS IS -- SEEMS TO BE 14:14.240 --> 14:16.090 align:start THE ONE AREA WHERE THERE IS 14:16.140 --> 14:19.140 align:start MOVEMENT, OR SUCCESS FOR THE 14:19.140 --> 14:20.040 align:start NRA AND PRO-GUN FACTION THIS 14:20.040 --> 14:21.060 align:start YEAR. 14:21.060 --> 14:21.260 align:start THERE ARE OTHER BILLS THAT 14:24.040 --> 14:27.040 align:start WOULD HAVE EXTENDED 14:27.040 --> 14:27.250 align:start PROTECTIONS ON COLLEGE 14:27.250 --> 14:29.180 align:start CAMPUSES, I'M TALKING ABOUT 14:29.180 --> 14:30.120 align:start SECOND AMENDMENT PROTECTION ON 14:30.120 --> 14:31.020 align:start COLLEGE CAMPUSES FOR PEOPLE 14:31.020 --> 14:31.230 align:start WHO HAVE DRINKING CONVICTIONS 14:31.230 --> 14:32.110 align:start OR ALCOHOL CONVICTIONS. 14:32.110 --> 14:33.030 align:start THERE'S ANOTHER ONE THAT 14:33.030 --> 14:33.230 align:start WOULD ALLOW PRISON GUARDS TO 14:33.230 --> 14:34.090 align:start BRING A GUN TO WORK. 14:35.100 --> 14:38.100 align:start ANOTHER ONE THAT WOULD DO 14:38.100 --> 14:41.040 align:start AWAY WITH ALL HANDGUN 14:41.040 --> 14:42.130 align:start LICENSING REQUIREMENTS. 14:43.210 --> 14:46.210 align:start MAYBE PRISONERS SHOULD HAVE 14:46.210 --> 14:47.000 align:start THEM. 14:47.000 --> 14:47.170 align:start THOSE AREN'T GOING 14:47.170 --> 14:47.290 align:start ANYWHERE. 14:47.290 --> 14:48.190 align:start THIS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT'S 14:48.190 --> 14:49.080 align:start GOING ANYWHERE. 14:49.080 --> 14:49.290 align:start LET ME SAY THIS, IF YOU LISTEN 14:49.290 --> 14:50.170 align:start TO THE TESTIMONY OR THE 14:50.170 --> 14:51.080 align:start COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE AT THE 14:51.080 --> 14:53.160 align:start ROSTRUM IT PAINTS A PRETTY 14:53.160 --> 14:55.020 align:start BLEAK PICTURE OF THE STATE AND 14:55.020 --> 14:57.190 align:start INDIANAPOLIS BASICALLY IF YOU 14:58.050 --> 15:01.070 align:start GO OUTSITED DOOR, YOU BETTER 15:01.070 --> 15:01.160 align:start BE -- 15:01.160 --> 15:02.080 align:start THAT'S THE ARGUMENT THAT 15:02.080 --> 15:02.260 align:start WAS MADE THAT THEY DON'T 15:02.260 --> 15:03.160 align:start NECESSARILY NEED GUNS INSIDE 15:03.160 --> 15:04.070 align:start THE STATEHOUSE BUT THEY MIGHT 15:04.070 --> 15:04.280 align:start NEED THEM WHEN THEY'RE WALKING 15:04.280 --> 15:06.080 align:start TO OR FROM THEIR CAR. 15:06.080 --> 15:07.030 align:start IT'S NEVER BEEN A WORRY FOR 15:07.030 --> 15:08.020 align:start ME. 15:08.020 --> 15:09.210 align:start DO YOU WORRY, MIKE? 15:09.290 --> 15:12.290 align:start NO, I REALLY DON'T. 15:12.290 --> 15:13.290 align:start BUT, LOOK, THERE ARE ABOUT 200 15:13.290 --> 15:14.170 align:start STAFF PEOPLE IN THE 15:15.030 --> 15:18.030 align:start LEGISLATURE. 15:18.140 --> 15:21.140 align:start AND THIS MAY AFFECT FOUR OR 15:21.140 --> 15:22.040 align:start FIVE PEOPLE, AND I DON'T SEE 15:22.040 --> 15:22.270 align:start THIS AS A BIG DEAL IN THE BIG 15:22.270 --> 15:24.150 align:start SCOPE OF THINGS. 15:24.150 --> 15:25.050 align:start BUT, YOU KNOW, IT IS WHAT IT 15:25.050 --> 15:27.070 align:start IS. 15:27.070 --> 15:28.020 align:start AND WE ALWAYS SAID THAT THE 15:28.020 --> 15:29.170 align:start BULLET-PROOF GLASS IN THE 15:29.170 --> 15:31.250 align:start HOUSE WAS NOT TO PROTECT THE 15:31.250 --> 15:33.130 align:start LEGISLATORS, IT'S PROTECT US 15:33.130 --> 15:34.080 align:start IN THE HALLWAY WHEN THE 15:35.040 --> 15:38.040 align:start LEGISLATORS START SHOOTING 15:38.200 --> 15:41.200 align:start AT EACH OTHER. 15:41.200 --> 15:42.220 align:start I THINK REPORTERRED, YOU'RE 15:42.220 --> 15:44.280 align:start GOING TO BE TARGETED 15:44.280 --> 15:45.200 align:start I DRAW THE LINE WITH 15:45.200 --> 15:48.040 align:start REPORTERS HAVING GUNS. 15:48.040 --> 15:48.260 align:start SENATOR SAID HE WAS GOING 15:48.260 --> 15:49.150 align:start TO TRY TO GET REPORTERS IN 15:49.150 --> 15:50.120 align:start NEXT YEAR. 15:50.120 --> 15:50.290 align:start OH, GREAT. 15:50.290 --> 15:51.230 align:start I CANNOT BELIEVE WE'RE WASTING 15:51.230 --> 15:54.050 align:start TIME ON THIS. 15:54.050 --> 15:55.140 align:start I MEAN, WE'VE GOT ADULTS 15:55.140 --> 15:58.000 align:start DYING, ADULT PROTECTIVE 15:58.000 --> 15:58.270 align:start SERVICES IS UNDERFUNDED, WE 15:58.270 --> 15:59.150 align:start DON'T DEBATE ANY OF THAT 16:05.020 --> 16:08.020 align:start STUFF, WE DEBATE THIS 16:08.020 --> 16:08.220 align:start NONSENSE, THE NRA AND THE 16:09.090 --> 16:12.090 align:start REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED AGENDA. 16:14.160 --> 16:17.160 align:start WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THE 16:17.160 --> 16:18.070 align:start PEN BEING MORE POWERFUL 16:18.070 --> 16:18.250 align:start THAN THE SWORD, WHATEVER 16:18.250 --> 16:19.110 align:start HAPPENED WITH THAT. 16:19.110 --> 16:20.040 align:start DO WELL WHEN THEY SHOOT AT 16:20.040 --> 16:20.120 align:start YOU. 16:20.120 --> 16:20.290 align:start TIME NOW FOR VIEWER 16:20.290 --> 16:21.100 align:start FEEDBACK. 16:21.100 --> 16:21.260 align:start EACH WEEK WE POSE AN 16:21.260 --> 16:22.150 align:start UNSCIENTIFIC, ONLINE POLL 16:22.150 --> 16:23.050 align:start QUESTION IN CONJUNCTION WITH 16:23.050 --> 16:23.260 align:start OUR ICEMILLER E-MAIL AND TEXT 16:23.260 --> 16:24.060 align:start ALERTS. 16:24.060 --> 16:24.240 align:start THIS WEEK'S QUESTION... 16:24.240 --> 16:25.150 align:start SHOULD STATEHOUSE STAFFERS BE 16:25.150 --> 16:26.030 align:start PERMITTED TO CARRY GUNS? 16:26.030 --> 16:26.200 align:start YOUR CHOICES ARE 16:26.200 --> 16:27.000 align:start A. YES. 16:27.000 --> 16:27.090 align:start B. NO. 16:27.090 --> 16:27.280 align:start C. ONLY IF THE PUBLIC CAN, 16:27.280 --> 16:28.130 align:start TOO. 16:28.130 --> 16:29.040 align:start LAST WEEK'S QUESTION... 16:29.040 --> 16:29.250 align:start DO YOU SUPPORT A HIKE IN THE 16:29.250 --> 16:31.230 align:start CIGARETTE TAX? 16:31.230 --> 16:34.040 align:start 81% SAID YES, 12% SAID NO, 7% 16:34.040 --> 16:36.200 align:start SAID A DOLLAR IS TOO MUCH. 16:36.200 --> 16:39.190 align:start IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TAKE PART 16:39.190 --> 16:40.110 align:start IN THE POLL, GO TO 16:40.110 --> 16:41.070 align:start WFYI.ORG/IWIR AND LOOK FOR THE 16:41.070 --> 16:42.150 align:start POLL. 16:42.150 --> 16:44.010 align:start BIG CHANGES ARE ON THE WAY 16:46.130 --> 16:49.130 align:start FOR THE MENTALLY ILL INMATES 16:49.130 --> 16:50.000 align:start WHO MAKE UP AS MUCH AS 16:50.000 --> 16:50.210 align:start 20% OF THE INDIANA PRISON 16:50.210 --> 16:51.190 align:start POPULATION. 16:51.190 --> 16:53.190 align:start THE ACLU OF INDIANA AND 16:53.190 --> 16:54.130 align:start INDIANA PROTECTION AND 16:54.130 --> 16:55.220 align:start ADVOCACY SERVICES ANNOUNCED A 16:55.220 --> 16:56.240 align:start SETTLEMENT WITH THE INDIANA 16:56.240 --> 16:57.230 align:start DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTION THIS 16:57.230 --> 16:59.190 align:start WEEK. 16:59.190 --> 17:00.250 align:start THE TWO GROUPS SUED OVER THE 17:00.250 --> 17:02.020 align:start WAY THE STATE TREATS MENTALLY 17:02.020 --> 17:03.220 align:start ILL PRISONERS. 17:03.220 --> 17:05.060 align:start A SETTLEMENT REQUIRES STATE 17:05.060 --> 17:06.290 align:start CORRECTIONAL FACILITIES TO 17:06.290 --> 17:08.170 align:start HAVE INDIVIDUALIZED TREATMENT 17:08.170 --> 17:10.280 align:start PLANS FOR INMATES, CREATED BY 17:10.280 --> 17:11.200 align:start MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS 17:11.200 --> 17:12.090 align:start WHO ARE FAMILIAR WITH EACH 17:12.090 --> 17:14.120 align:start PRISONER. 17:14.120 --> 17:16.160 align:start KEN FALK OF THE ACLU SAYS 17:16.160 --> 17:17.160 align:start ISOLATION CAN NO LONGER BE 17:17.160 --> 17:18.100 align:start USED AS A PUNISHMENT IN MOST 17:18.100 --> 17:19.270 align:start CASES. 17:25.090 --> 17:28.090 align:start ONE OF THE THINGS THE 17:28.090 --> 17:28.290 align:start SETTLEMENT DOES, IS IT SAYS 17:28.290 --> 17:29.200 align:start THAT BEFORE A PRISONER WHO IS 17:29.200 --> 17:30.060 align:start MENTALLY ILL CAN BE 17:30.060 --> 17:30.250 align:start DISCIPLINED, THE TREATMENT 17:30.250 --> 17:31.280 align:start STAFF HAVE TO BE CONSULTED AND 17:31.280 --> 17:32.200 align:start SAY, HEY, IS THE REASON THAT 17:32.200 --> 17:33.130 align:start SO AND SO DID THIS IS BECAUSE 17:33.130 --> 17:34.200 align:start THEY ARE MENTALLY ILL. 17:34.200 --> 17:36.020 align:start JON SCHWANTES, HOW WILL 17:36.020 --> 17:36.260 align:start THIS AFFECT THE STATE'S 17:36.260 --> 17:38.260 align:start PRISONS? 17:41.150 --> 17:44.150 align:start I THINK IT WILL IMPROVE THE 17:44.150 --> 17:45.220 align:start SITUATION AND KEN FALK AND 17:45.220 --> 17:46.150 align:start OTHERS WITH THE ACLU POINTED 17:46.150 --> 17:47.060 align:start OUT THAT THE STATE HAS ALREADY 17:47.060 --> 17:47.270 align:start BEEN QUICK TO INCORPORATE SOME 17:47.270 --> 17:48.170 align:start OF THESE CHANGES EVEN BEFORE 17:48.170 --> 17:49.070 align:start THE FORMALIZATION OF THIS -- 17:49.070 --> 17:50.080 align:start BEFORE THE SETTLEMENT. 17:50.080 --> 17:51.000 align:start BUT THE LAWSUIT'S SEVEN YEARS 17:51.090 --> 17:54.090 align:start OLD. 17:54.090 --> 17:55.020 align:start RIGHT, RIGHT, WELL, THERE'S 17:55.020 --> 17:55.240 align:start PLENTY OF TIME FOR CHANGES TO 17:55.240 --> 17:57.080 align:start BE MADE. 17:57.080 --> 17:57.290 align:start BUT THIS IS A SIGN I THINK OF 17:57.290 --> 17:58.160 align:start A POSITIVE THING. 17:58.160 --> 17:59.080 align:start YOU LOOK AT THE FACT THAT THE 17:59.080 --> 17:59.270 align:start LARGEST PROVIDER OF MENTAL 17:59.270 --> 18:00.190 align:start HEALTH SERVICES IN THE STATE 18:00.190 --> 18:01.090 align:start OF INDIANA IS THE DEPARTMENT 18:01.090 --> 18:02.140 align:start OF CORRECTION, YOU HAVE 18:02.140 --> 18:05.040 align:start ROUGHLY ONE IN FIVE INMATES 18:05.040 --> 18:07.080 align:start HAVE BEEN DIAGNOSED AS HAVING 18:07.080 --> 18:07.270 align:start A MENTAL ILLNESS AND GUESS 18:07.270 --> 18:08.240 align:start WHAT, MOST OF THOSE 18:08.240 --> 18:10.150 align:start INDIVIDUALS WILL BE GETTING 18:10.150 --> 18:12.040 align:start BACK OUT INTO SOCIETY. 18:12.040 --> 18:13.290 align:start SO DO YOU WANT PEOPLE WHO HAVE 18:13.290 --> 18:14.290 align:start HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET CARE 18:14.290 --> 18:16.120 align:start FOR THEIR ILLNESSES? 18:16.120 --> 18:17.060 align:start YOU COUPLE THIS WITH WHAT WAS 18:17.060 --> 18:18.020 align:start BEING DONE AT COMMUNITY 18:21.000 --> 18:24.000 align:start HOSPITAL WITH THE NEW FACILITY 18:24.000 --> 18:26.020 align:start THAT THE PENCE ADMINISTRATION 18:26.170 --> 18:29.170 align:start , VERY POSITIVE, AND ALSO IN 18:29.170 --> 18:29.290 align:start KEEPING WITH 18:29.290 --> 18:30.190 align:start BARACK OBAMA'S ANNOUNCEMENT 18:30.190 --> 18:31.090 align:start THAT HE WOULD EFFECTIVELY DO 18:31.090 --> 18:31.280 align:start AWAY WITH LARGE ASPECTS OF 18:31.280 --> 18:32.150 align:start SOLITARY CONFINEMENT. 18:32.150 --> 18:33.070 align:start FOR JUVENILES, JUVENILES. 18:33.070 --> 18:35.230 align:start OR FOR MENTAL HEALTH. 18:35.230 --> 18:37.030 align:start AND MENTAL HEALTH. 18:37.030 --> 18:37.240 align:start IT'S ALSO A SIGN OF HOW 18:37.240 --> 18:38.130 align:start POORLY WE'RE DEALING WITH 18:38.130 --> 18:40.090 align:start MENTAL ILLNESS ON THE OUTSIDE. 18:40.090 --> 18:41.150 align:start WELL, I THINK THERE HAS TO 18:41.150 --> 18:42.240 align:start BE EVEN MORE UNDERSTANDING 18:42.240 --> 18:44.100 align:start THAN WE ALREADY HAVE ABOUT 18:44.100 --> 18:45.150 align:start MENTAL ILLNESS. 18:48.070 --> 18:51.070 align:start FOR THE LONGEST TIME IT WAS 18:51.070 --> 18:52.130 align:start OFTEN DISMISSED, 18:52.130 --> 18:53.020 align:start MISUNDERSTOOD, AND WE ARE 18:53.020 --> 18:53.190 align:start COMING AROUND ON THAT, 18:53.190 --> 18:53.290 align:start FINALLY. 18:55.200 --> 18:58.200 align:start I'M VERY ENCOURAGED, FOR ALL 18:58.200 --> 18:59.080 align:start THE REASONS THAT JON 18:59.080 --> 19:00.200 align:start MENTIONED, ABOUT THE APPROACH 19:00.200 --> 19:01.150 align:start THAT THE STATE IS TAKING AND I 19:01.150 --> 19:02.100 align:start THINK THAT WILL HELP THE REST 19:02.100 --> 19:03.060 align:start OF THE PUBLIC UNDERSTAND. 19:03.060 --> 19:04.060 align:start LOOK, MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES ARE 19:04.060 --> 19:05.010 align:start VERY REAL AND THEY NEED TO BE 19:05.010 --> 19:06.140 align:start DEALT WITH THE SAME WAY OTHER 19:06.140 --> 19:07.060 align:start MEDICAL CONDITIONS ARE DEALT 19:07.060 --> 19:08.210 align:start WITH. 19:08.210 --> 19:10.060 align:start AND THE SOONER WE DO THAT, 19:10.060 --> 19:11.000 align:start THEN THE FEWER PROBLEMS WE'LL 19:11.000 --> 19:12.170 align:start HAVE IN SOCIETY. 19:12.170 --> 19:14.050 align:start IT'S ALSO, THIS IS A 19:14.050 --> 19:14.260 align:start STATEMENT ON WHAT WAS BEING 19:14.260 --> 19:15.150 align:start DONE PREVIOUSLY. 19:15.150 --> 19:16.060 align:start RIGHT, RIGHT, AND IT'S 19:16.060 --> 19:18.130 align:start GOOD. 19:18.130 --> 19:19.080 align:start IT'S GOOD THAT THE ATTITUDES 19:19.080 --> 19:21.150 align:start TOWARD MENTAL HEALTH HAVE 19:21.150 --> 19:22.070 align:start EVOLVED AS THEY HAVE IN RECENT 19:22.070 --> 19:23.080 align:start YEARS. 19:23.080 --> 19:24.240 align:start AND YOU'RE RIGHT, THIS IS A 19:24.240 --> 19:26.080 align:start VERY GOOD, POSITIVE STEP 19:26.080 --> 19:28.170 align:start FORWARD AND I THINK THE ICLU 19:28.170 --> 19:29.070 align:start DESERVES A LOT OF CREDIT TO 19:29.070 --> 19:30.160 align:start BRING THIS TO EVERYONE'S 19:30.160 --> 19:31.080 align:start ATTENTION AND FORCING A CHANGE 19:31.080 --> 19:31.260 align:start AND I THINK IT'S FOR THE 19:31.260 --> 19:32.160 align:start BETTER. 19:32.160 --> 19:33.230 align:start DID IT NEED -- IT TOOK THE 19:33.230 --> 19:35.210 align:start ACLU TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. 19:35.210 --> 19:37.180 align:start I DON'T THINK THIS IS A 19:37.180 --> 19:39.090 align:start GOOD AGREEMENT, I THINK THIS 19:39.090 --> 19:39.290 align:start IS A GREAT AGREEMENT AND THE 19:39.290 --> 19:40.200 align:start REASON IS FOR THE VERY REASON 19:40.200 --> 19:42.090 align:start YOU JUST CITED. 19:42.090 --> 19:44.140 align:start NOT ONLY DOES IT DEAL WITH THE 19:44.140 --> 19:45.160 align:start SITUATION INSIDE THE 19:45.160 --> 19:47.090 align:start CORRECTIONS FACILITIES BUT 19:47.090 --> 19:48.020 align:start ALSO HIGHLIGHTS THE GENERAL 19:48.020 --> 19:48.250 align:start NEED. 19:48.250 --> 19:49.230 align:start AND THE PRISONS WERE NEVER 19:49.230 --> 19:50.180 align:start DESIGNED TO BE MENTAL HEALTH 19:50.180 --> 19:52.000 align:start HOSPITALS. 19:52.000 --> 19:52.200 align:start THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY'RE 19:52.200 --> 19:54.200 align:start SUPPOSED TO BE. 19:54.200 --> 19:55.110 align:start AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE BECOME 19:55.110 --> 19:55.280 align:start BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF 19:55.280 --> 19:56.170 align:start FACILITIES ON THE OUTSIDE. 19:56.170 --> 19:59.000 align:start YEP. 19:59.020 --> 20:02.020 align:start AND SO, YOU KNOW, THIS WILL 20:02.020 --> 20:03.220 align:start ONLY HELP THE ENTIRE SITUATION 20:03.220 --> 20:05.130 align:start BY SHINING A BRIGHT LIGHT ON 20:05.130 --> 20:06.250 align:start IT, AND, AS I SAID, CHANGES 20:06.250 --> 20:07.140 align:start ARE ALREADY BEING MADE AND 20:07.140 --> 20:09.240 align:start WE'RE ALL BETTER OFF FOR THAT. 20:09.240 --> 20:12.120 align:start DEMOCRAT GLENDA RITZ IS 20:12.120 --> 20:13.060 align:start RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION AS 20:13.060 --> 20:13.270 align:start STATE SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENT 20:13.270 --> 20:14.220 align:start AND A REPUBLICAN ANNOUNCED 20:14.220 --> 20:15.190 align:start PLANS TO CHALLENGE HER THIS 20:15.190 --> 20:17.140 align:start WEEK. 20:17.140 --> 20:18.200 align:start JENNIFER MCCORMICK IS THE 20:18.200 --> 20:20.000 align:start SUPERINTENDENT OF SCHOOLS IN 20:20.000 --> 20:21.010 align:start YORKTOWN AND A FIRST-TIME 20:21.010 --> 20:22.090 align:start CANDIDATE. 20:22.090 --> 20:23.160 align:start SHE TOLD REPORTERS AT THE 20:23.160 --> 20:24.270 align:start STATEHOUSE THAT SHE HOPES TO 20:24.270 --> 20:26.180 align:start TAKE THE POLITICS OUT OF 20:26.180 --> 20:28.100 align:start EDUCATION. 20:28.100 --> 20:29.190 align:start I HAVE EXPERIENCE IN THE 20:29.190 --> 20:30.130 align:start CLASSROOM AS A SPECIAL ED 20:30.180 --> 20:33.180 align:start TEACHER. 20:33.180 --> 20:35.070 align:start I'VE LED BUILDINGS AND I'VE 20:35.070 --> 20:35.280 align:start LED DISTRICTS. 20:35.280 --> 20:37.150 align:start I KNOW WHAT IT TAKES TO BE A 20:37.150 --> 20:38.170 align:start LEADER IN EDUCATION. 20:38.170 --> 20:40.060 align:start I HAVE DONE IT AND I WILL 20:40.060 --> 20:40.290 align:start CONTINUE TO DO THAT. 20:40.290 --> 20:43.070 align:start THAT SETS ME APART FROM OUR 20:43.240 --> 20:46.240 align:start CURRENT SUPERINTENDENT. 20:46.240 --> 20:48.150 align:start MIKE MCDANIEL, SHE WAS A 20:48.150 --> 20:49.090 align:start DEMOCRAT UNTIL JUST RECENTLY. 20:49.090 --> 20:50.010 align:start WHAT WILL THAT MEAN TO GOP 20:50.010 --> 20:51.180 align:start CONVENTION DELEGATES? 20:51.180 --> 20:52.110 align:start ONE, IT MEANS SHE'S EVOLVED 20:52.110 --> 20:52.270 align:start INTO A HIGHER BEING. 20:55.180 --> 20:58.180 align:start [LAUGHTER] 20:58.180 --> 21:00.110 align:start I KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF A 21:00.110 --> 21:02.140 align:start THEME HERE. 21:03.260 --> 21:06.260 align:start I THINK IT'S GREAT. 21:06.260 --> 21:09.250 align:start SHE'S CLEARLY -- SHE'S BEEN 21:09.250 --> 21:10.160 align:start A TEACHER, SPECIAL ED TEACHER, 21:10.160 --> 21:11.070 align:start JUNIOR HIGH TEACHER, ASSISTANT 21:11.070 --> 21:11.210 align:start SUPERINTENDENT, 21:11.210 --> 21:12.050 align:start SUPERINTENDENT. 21:12.050 --> 21:12.260 align:start SHE'S DONE ALL THE THINGS THAT 21:12.260 --> 21:13.150 align:start YOU NEED TO DO TO HAVE THE 21:13.150 --> 21:14.100 align:start RESUME TO MOVE FORWARD AND 21:14.100 --> 21:15.000 align:start SHOW THE KIND OF LEADERSHIP 21:15.000 --> 21:15.190 align:start THAT WE NEED IN THE STATE. 21:15.190 --> 21:17.050 align:start I THINK SHE'S GOING TO BE A 21:17.050 --> 21:18.220 align:start GOOD CANDIDATE. 21:18.220 --> 21:21.100 align:start NOW WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER LADY 21:21.100 --> 21:22.140 align:start FROM FORT WAYNE NAMED WOOTEN 21:22.140 --> 21:24.070 align:start WHO IS ALSO AN INSTRUCTOR UP 21:24.070 --> 21:25.130 align:start THERE, A COLLEGE INSTRUCTOR 21:25.130 --> 21:27.130 align:start AND SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A 21:27.130 --> 21:28.070 align:start CONTEST FOR SUPERINTENDENT AND 21:28.070 --> 21:29.220 align:start I THINK THAT'S GOOD, IT'S 21:29.290 --> 21:32.290 align:start HEALTHY MOVING FORWARD. 21:32.290 --> 21:33.210 align:start GLENDA RITZ IS VIEWED AS 21:33.210 --> 21:34.280 align:start VULNERABLE. 21:34.280 --> 21:36.010 align:start SHE'S THE ONLY STATE-WIDE 21:36.010 --> 21:37.150 align:start DEMOCRAT BUT -- EXCEPT FOR, 21:37.150 --> 21:38.200 align:start OBVIOUSLY, ON STATE ELECTIONS. 21:38.200 --> 21:39.110 align:start BUT I THINK SHE'S GOING TO BE 21:39.110 --> 21:41.140 align:start VERY STRONG. 21:43.150 --> 21:46.150 align:start MIKE PENCE AND HIS ECHO 21:46.150 --> 21:47.080 align:start CHAMBER AT THE STATE BOARD OF 21:47.080 --> 21:47.290 align:start EDUCATION HAVE DONE EVERYTHING 21:47.290 --> 21:48.160 align:start THEY CAN DO TO MESS UP 21:48.160 --> 21:51.010 align:start EDUCATION IN THIS STATE. 21:51.010 --> 21:51.240 align:start I MEAN, THE ISTEP IS A PERFECT 21:51.240 --> 21:52.100 align:start EXAMPLE. 21:52.100 --> 21:53.080 align:start GLENDA RITZ HAS BEEN TALKING 21:53.080 --> 21:54.140 align:start FOR TWO YEARS ABOUT HOW BAD 21:54.140 --> 21:55.250 align:start THAT TEST WAS AND ONLY 21:55.250 --> 21:56.130 align:start RECENTLY DID THEY START 21:56.130 --> 21:58.190 align:start LISTENING TO HER. 21:58.190 --> 22:01.060 align:start HAVING ALL OF THEM IN THE SAME 22:01.060 --> 22:01.240 align:start ECHO CHAMBER IS BAD FOR 22:01.240 --> 22:02.200 align:start EDUCATION. 22:02.200 --> 22:03.260 align:start SHE'S DOING A VERY POSITIVE 22:03.260 --> 22:05.050 align:start JOB OF PROTECTING THE TEACHERS 22:05.050 --> 22:06.150 align:start AND POINTING OUT THE FALLACY 22:06.150 --> 22:07.040 align:start OF THEIR ARGUMENTS. 22:07.040 --> 22:07.240 align:start I THINK SHE'S GOING TO BE 22:07.240 --> 22:09.040 align:start REELECTED. 22:09.040 --> 22:09.290 align:start THIS WILL BE A REFERENDUM 22:09.290 --> 22:11.030 align:start ON GLENDA RITZ. 22:11.030 --> 22:12.230 align:start I THINK IT WILL. 22:12.230 --> 22:14.050 align:start AND MIKE PENCE. 22:14.050 --> 22:16.080 align:start WELL, IT'S GOING TO BE A 22:16.080 --> 22:18.050 align:start REFERENDUM ON EDUCATION ISSUES 22:18.050 --> 22:20.220 align:start AND WHO IN INDIANA BELIEVES 22:20.280 --> 22:23.280 align:start HAS THE RIGHT WAY FORWARD. 22:23.280 --> 22:25.100 align:start GLENDA RITZ BURST ON THE SCENE 22:25.150 --> 22:28.150 align:start BECAUSE SHE RAN A GREAT 22:28.150 --> 22:28.260 align:start CAMPAIGN. 22:28.260 --> 22:30.050 align:start WE'LL SEE IF SHE CAN NOW, AS A 22:30.050 --> 22:31.040 align:start KNOWN CANDIDATE, WITH A RECORD 22:31.040 --> 22:33.040 align:start OF HER OWN, RUN A CAMPAIGN 22:33.040 --> 22:34.250 align:start THAT IS ABLE TO DO WHAT ANN 22:34.250 --> 22:36.070 align:start SAYS AND BECOME VICTORIOUS AND 22:36.070 --> 22:37.070 align:start THAT'S NOT -- IT'S A MUCH 22:37.070 --> 22:37.290 align:start DIFFERENT THING AND IT'S NOT 22:39.260 --> 22:42.260 align:start AN EASY TASK. 22:42.260 --> 22:43.090 align:start RIGHT, 22:43.090 --> 22:44.020 align:start SHE'S HIGHLY VULNERABLE AND 22:44.020 --> 22:44.190 align:start AT RISK. 22:44.190 --> 22:45.130 align:start SHE'S GOT A PROBLEM. 22:45.130 --> 22:46.280 align:start SO DOES MIKE PENCE. 22:46.280 --> 22:49.270 align:start NOBODY KNOWS WHO SHE IS FOR 22:50.040 --> 22:53.040 align:start STARTERS, IN A POLL THAT CAME 22:53.040 --> 22:55.050 align:start OUT THIS WEEK, AND THAT'S A 22:55.050 --> 22:55.190 align:start PROBLEM FOR HER. 22:55.190 --> 22:56.110 align:start GLENDA RITZ'S NAME ID IS 22:56.110 --> 22:57.010 align:start SURPRISINGLY LOW STATE-WIDE. 22:57.010 --> 22:57.200 align:start >IS WEEK, AND THAT'S A 22:57.200 --> 22:58.040 align:start PROBLEM FOR HER. 22:58.040 --> 22:58.260 align:start GLENDA RITZ'S NAME ID IS 22:58.260 --> 22:59.160 align:start SURPRISINGLY LOW STATE-WIDE. 22:59.160 --> 22:59.290 align:start RIGHT. 22:59.290 --> 23:00.200 align:start MIKE PENCE'S ISN'T AND 23:00.200 --> 23:01.110 align:start PEOPLE HAVE FORMED A OPINION, 23:01.110 --> 23:01.270 align:start WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT 23:01.270 --> 23:03.120 align:start VULNERABILITY. 23:03.120 --> 23:05.030 align:start IS IT POSSIBLE TO TAKE THE 23:07.200 --> 23:10.200 align:start POLITICS OUT OF EDUCATION AS 23:14.120 --> 23:17.120 align:start JENNIFER MCCORMICK SAID? 23:17.120 --> 23:18.030 align:start SADLY, NO, BECAUSE WHEN 23:18.030 --> 23:18.250 align:start YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A SUBJECT 23:18.250 --> 23:19.140 align:start AREA THAT CONSTITUTES MORE 23:19.140 --> 23:20.020 align:start THAN HALF OF THE STATE'S 23:20.020 --> 23:20.220 align:start BUDGET AND THERE IS NOTHING 23:20.220 --> 23:21.110 align:start AUSEE FUNDAMENTAL THAN THE 23:21.110 --> 23:21.290 align:start PHILOSOPHY ABOUT HOW TO 23:21.290 --> 23:22.200 align:start EDUCATE THE NEXT GENERATION OF 23:22.200 --> 23:23.010 align:start HOOSIERS. 23:23.020 --> 23:26.020 align:start I'M NOT SAYING THAT IN ANY 23:26.020 --> 23:27.260 align:start CYNICAL WAY, I'S JUST IN PART 23:27.260 --> 23:28.150 align:start POLITICS I DON'T THINK IS 23:28.150 --> 23:29.040 align:start INHERENTLY BAD, YOU CAN'T 23:29.040 --> 23:29.270 align:start SEPARATE THE TWO. 23:29.270 --> 23:31.020 align:start FINALLY, A NEWLY FORMED 23:31.020 --> 23:32.010 align:start GROUP OF RETIRED LAWMAKERS IS 23:32.010 --> 23:32.220 align:start TRYING TO ENCOURAGE MORE 23:32.220 --> 23:35.120 align:start CIVILITY IN THE GENERAL 23:35.120 --> 23:36.000 align:start ASSEMBLY. 23:36.000 --> 23:36.260 align:start IT CREATED AN AWARD THAT IS 23:36.260 --> 23:37.240 align:start BELIEVED TO BE THE FIRST OF 23:37.240 --> 23:38.140 align:start ITS KIND IN THE COUNTRY. 23:38.250 --> 23:41.250 align:start IT WAS GIVEN TO THREE 23:41.250 --> 23:43.050 align:start SENATORS -- LUKE KENLEY OF 23:43.050 --> 23:44.130 align:start NOBLESVILLE, VANETA BECKER OF 23:44.130 --> 23:45.040 align:start EVANSVILLE, AND EARLINE ROGERS 23:45.090 --> 23:48.090 align:start OF GARY. 23:48.090 --> 23:50.290 align:start STATE REPRESENTATIVES TIM 23:50.290 --> 23:51.200 align:start BROWN OF CRAWFORDSVILLE AND 23:51.200 --> 23:52.170 align:start CHARLIE BROWN OF GARY WERE 23:52.170 --> 23:53.170 align:start ALSO RECOGNIZED FOR, AMONG 23:53.170 --> 23:55.040 align:start OTHER THINGS, SETTING GOOD 23:55.040 --> 23:57.000 align:start EXAMPLES. 23:57.000 --> 23:57.200 align:start HERE'S FORMER LAWMAKER RALPH 23:57.200 --> 23:59.220 align:start FOLEY. 24:00.220 --> 24:03.220 align:start SO AS TO REFLECT PT HOTIVELY 24:03.220 --> 24:05.050 align:start ON AND TO GENEK IE RESPECT FOR 24:05.090 --> 24:08.090 align:start THEKERNERAL ASSEMBLY. 24:08.090 --> 24:09.210 align:start WITH THE ACRIMONY AND THE 24:09.210 --> 24:10.180 align:start FIGHTING AND THE CIRCULAR 24:26.160 --> 24:29.160 align:start Q&ISG SQE O WAS UEAM TW 24:29.160 --> 24:30.080 align:start AND THAT'S FORMER LAWMAKER 24:30.080 --> 24:30.200 align:start DALE GRUBB. 24:30.200 --> 24:31.110 align:start ANN DELANEY, WILL THAT LEAD TO 24:31.110 --> 24:31.240 align:start MORE CIVILITY? 24:31.240 --> 24:32.160 align:start I HOPE SO BECAUSE WE NEED 24:32.160 --> 24:33.030 align:start IT, I MEAN, THERE'S NO 24:33.030 --> 24:34.050 align:start QUESTION ABOUT IT THAT WE NEED 24:34.050 --> 24:35.240 align:start IT AND I GIVE THEM CREDIT FOR 24:35.240 --> 24:37.010 align:start THINKING OF THIS IDEA AND, OF 24:37.010 --> 24:38.080 align:start COURSE, PUTTING DISTINGUISHED 24:38.080 --> 24:39.160 align:start PERSONNEL LIKE YOURSELF ON THE 24:39.160 --> 24:40.170 align:start COMMITTEE, JIM. 24:40.170 --> 24:41.140 align:start BUT -- 24:41.140 --> 24:42.190 align:start I TRIED. 24:42.190 --> 24:43.120 align:start I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA, I 24:43.120 --> 24:45.080 align:start REALLY DO. 24:45.080 --> 24:46.010 align:start IS THERE A PROBLEM WITH 24:46.010 --> 24:47.150 align:start CIVILITY? 24:47.150 --> 24:48.200 align:start SURE, I THINK THERE IS. 24:48.200 --> 24:50.070 align:start I THINK IT'S BECOME SO 24:55.030 --> 24:58.030 align:start PARTISAN THAT IT'S 24:58.030 --> 24:58.260 align:start COUNTERPRODUCTIVE IN A LOT OF 24:58.260 --> 24:59.160 align:start WAYS AND WE'RE GOING TO LOSE 24:59.160 --> 25:00.090 align:start GOOD PEOPLE TO RETIREMENT THIS 25:00.090 --> 25:00.270 align:start TIME AROUND LIKE EARLINE 25:00.270 --> 25:01.180 align:start ROGERS WHO JUST WON THAT AWARD 25:01.180 --> 25:02.090 align:start AND WE'RE GOING TO MISS HAVING 25:02.090 --> 25:02.290 align:start THAT KIND OF CIVILITY IN THE 25:03.140 --> 25:06.140 align:start PROCESS. 25:06.140 --> 25:07.290 align:start SO THE ATTITUDES AND THE 25:07.290 --> 25:09.220 align:start ATMOSPHERE THAT WE HAVE NOW 25:09.220 --> 25:11.110 align:start HAS GOT TO CHANGE FOR THE 25:11.110 --> 25:12.060 align:start BETTER, AND IT'S HARD TO DO 25:12.060 --> 25:12.270 align:start WHEN YOU'RE LOSING PEOPLE LIKE 25:12.270 --> 25:14.180 align:start HER. 25:14.180 --> 25:17.080 align:start POSITIVE REINFORCEMENT. 25:17.080 --> 25:19.150 align:start OH, ABSOLUTELY. 25:19.150 --> 25:20.090 align:start AND THIS ISN'T JUST AN INDIANA 25:20.090 --> 25:20.190 align:start PROBLEM. 25:20.190 --> 25:22.250 align:start IT'S NOTHING -- 25:22.250 --> 25:25.220 align:start THEY GOT IN A FIST FIGHT. 25:25.220 --> 25:26.130 align:start AND EVEN AT THE FEDERAL 25:26.130 --> 25:27.030 align:start LEVEL, THE STORIES ABOUT HOW 25:27.030 --> 25:27.230 align:start TIP O'NEIL, LEADING DEMOCRAT 25:27.230 --> 25:29.210 align:start IN THE HOUSE 25:29.210 --> 25:32.100 align:start AND PRESIDENT REAGAN USED TO 25:32.100 --> 25:33.090 align:start ARGUE, YOU KNOW, VIGOROUSLY 25:33.090 --> 25:36.000 align:start DURING THE DAY BUT THEN GET 25:36.000 --> 25:37.120 align:start TOGETHER, RETIRE TO THE 25:37.120 --> 25:37.240 align:start CONFINES -- 25:37.240 --> 25:39.180 align:start GOT TO GO, IT'S NOT LIKE 25:49.190 --> 25:52.190 align:start ANY MORE. 25:52.190 --> 25:53.110 align:start THAT'S "INDIANA WEEK IN 25:53.110 --> 25:53.280 align:start REVIEW" FOR THIS WEEK. 25:53.280 --> 25:54.170 align:start OUR PANEL IS DEMOCRAT ANN 25:54.170 --> 25:54.270 align:start DELANEY. 25:54.270 --> 25:55.160 align:start REPUBLICAN MIKE MCDANIEL. 25:55.160 --> 25:56.050 align:start JON SCHWANTES OF "INDIANA 25:56.050 --> 25:56.210 align:start LAWMAKERS" AND JOHN 25:56.210 --> 25:57.110 align:start KETZENBERGER OF THE INDIANA 25:57.110 --> 25:57.290 align:start FISCAL POLICY INSTITUTE. 25:57.290 --> 25:58.200 align:start IF YOU'D LIKE A PODCAST OF 25:58.200 --> 25:59.100 align:start THIS PROGRAM YOU CAN FIND IT 25:59.100 --> 25:59.170 align:start AT 25:59.170 --> 26:00.080 align:start WFYI.ORG/IWIR, OR STARTING 26:00.080 --> 26:00.280 align:start MONDAY YOU CAN STREAM IT OR 26:00.280 --> 26:01.190 align:start GET IT ON DEMAND FROM XFINITY 26:01.190 --> 26:02.080 align:start OR BRIGHT HOUSE NETWORKS. 26:02.080 --> 26:02.270 align:start I'M JIM SHELLA OF WISH-TV.