1 00:00:02,290 --> 00:00:05,290 A STATE SENATE COMMITTEE 2 00:00:05,290 --> 00:00:06,220 VOTES FOR LGB PROTECTIONS BUT 3 00:00:06,220 --> 00:00:07,260 NO T. 4 00:00:07,260 --> 00:00:09,210 WHAT HAPPENS NEXT? 5 00:00:09,210 --> 00:00:11,120 A TAX CUT TOSSED IN WITH A 6 00:00:11,120 --> 00:00:12,200 PAIR OF TAX HIKES, A VOTE FOR 7 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,030 MORE GUNS IN THE STATEHOUSE, 8 00:00:14,030 --> 00:00:15,100 AND A PLAN FOR BETTER 9 00:00:15,100 --> 00:00:16,070 TREATMENT OF MENTALLY ILL 10 00:00:16,070 --> 00:00:18,120 PRISON INMATES. 11 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:20,020 THAT, PLUS CIVILITY AWARDS FOR 12 00:00:20,020 --> 00:00:21,130 LAWMAKERS AND MORE ON "INDIANA 13 00:00:21,130 --> 00:00:23,080 WEEK IN REVIEW" FOR THE WEEK 14 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:16,090 THIS WEEK... 15 00:01:16,090 --> 00:01:17,240 THE CONFLICT BETWEEN RELIGIOUS 16 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:19,100 FREEDOM AND CIVIL RIGHTS LED 17 00:01:19,100 --> 00:01:20,040 TO A FIVE-HOUR HEARING AT THE 18 00:01:27,150 --> 00:01:30,150 STATEHOUSE. 19 00:01:30,150 --> 00:01:31,170 THE SENATE RULES COMMITTEE 20 00:01:31,170 --> 00:01:32,080 APPROVED A BILL TO EXTEND 21 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:32,280 CIVIL RIGHTS PROTECTIONS TO 22 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:33,170 GAY, LESBIAN AND BISEXUAL 23 00:01:33,170 --> 00:01:33,270 PEOPLE. 24 00:01:33,270 --> 00:01:34,170 BUT NOT TRANSGENDER MEN AND 25 00:01:34,170 --> 00:01:34,260 WOMEN. 26 00:01:34,260 --> 00:01:35,150 HERE'S THE TESTIMONY BY A 27 00:01:35,150 --> 00:01:36,030 TRANSGENDER WOMAN NAMED 28 00:01:36,030 --> 00:01:36,240 RHIANNON CARLSON FOLLOWED BY A 29 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:37,150 FLORIST FROM WASHINGTON STATE, 30 00:01:37,150 --> 00:01:38,050 BARONELLE STUTZMAN, WHO SAYS 31 00:01:38,050 --> 00:01:39,130 SHE WAS THREATENED AFTER 32 00:01:39,130 --> 00:01:40,080 DECLINING SERVICE TO A 33 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:43,080 SAME-SEX COUPLE. 34 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:44,010 I'M HAPPY TO BE ALIVE TODAY 35 00:01:46,030 --> 00:01:49,030 AS A PROUD TRANSGENDER WOMAN, 36 00:01:49,030 --> 00:01:50,230 BUT MERE SURVIVAL IS STILL A 37 00:01:50,230 --> 00:01:53,020 PART OF MY STORY. 38 00:01:53,020 --> 00:01:53,260 I STILL WAIT FOR THE DAY THAT 39 00:01:53,260 --> 00:01:54,170 I CAN BE MORE FOCUSED ON LIFE, 40 00:01:58,140 --> 00:02:01,160 LIBERTY AND HAPPINESS. 41 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:02,090 IF YOU VOTE FOR THESE BILLS 42 00:02:02,090 --> 00:02:03,000 YOU WILL BE SENDING A MESSAGE 43 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:03,190 TO THE CITIZENS OF INDIANA 44 00:02:03,190 --> 00:02:04,090 THAT SHARE MY BELIEFS ABOUT 45 00:02:04,090 --> 00:02:04,200 MARRIAGE. 46 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:05,070 THAT THEY WILL NOT BE 47 00:02:05,070 --> 00:02:05,250 TOLERATED, THEY WILL BE 48 00:02:05,250 --> 00:02:06,130 THREATENED, DRAGGED INTO 49 00:02:06,130 --> 00:02:07,020 COURT, SUED AND LOSE THEIR 50 00:02:07,020 --> 00:02:07,210 BUSINESS. 51 00:02:07,210 --> 00:02:09,210 WILL THE SENATE SUPPORT NEW 52 00:02:09,210 --> 00:02:11,120 CIVIL RIGHTS PROTECTIONS? 53 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,010 IT'S THE FIRST QUESTION FOR 54 00:02:13,010 --> 00:02:13,270 OUR "INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW" 55 00:02:13,270 --> 00:02:14,290 PANEL. 56 00:02:14,290 --> 00:02:17,110 DEMOCRAT ANN DELANEY. 57 00:02:17,110 --> 00:02:18,260 REPUBLICAN MIKE MCDANIEL. 58 00:02:18,260 --> 00:02:19,250 JON SCHWANTES, THE HOST OF 59 00:02:19,250 --> 00:02:21,030 "INDIANA LAWMAKERS" AND 60 00:02:21,030 --> 00:02:22,200 JOHN KETZENBERGER, PRESIDENT 61 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:23,120 OF THE INDIANA FISCAL POLICY 62 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,060 INSTITUTE. 63 00:02:25,060 --> 00:02:26,020 I'M WISH-TV STATEHOUSE 64 00:02:26,020 --> 00:02:27,050 REPORTER JIM SHELLA. 65 00:02:27,050 --> 00:02:28,180 ANN DELANEY, NO DEMOCRATS 66 00:02:28,180 --> 00:02:29,070 VOTED FOR THIS BILL. 67 00:02:30,270 --> 00:02:33,270 WHY NOT? 68 00:02:33,270 --> 00:02:34,170 WELL, I MEAN, IT'S A 69 00:02:34,170 --> 00:02:36,030 TERRIBLE BILL. 70 00:02:36,030 --> 00:02:38,030 IT NOT ONLY INCLUDES 71 00:02:38,030 --> 00:02:39,090 TRANSGENDER IF I UNDERSTAND IT 72 00:02:39,090 --> 00:02:40,240 CORRECTLY YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE 73 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:42,210 IN AN ORGANIZED RELIGION YOU 74 00:02:42,210 --> 00:02:44,210 CAN SAY IT'S YOUR RELIGION 75 00:02:44,210 --> 00:02:45,270 PRINCIPLE AND YOU CAN REFUSE 76 00:02:45,270 --> 00:02:46,070 SERVICE. 77 00:02:46,070 --> 00:02:47,270 IT'S NOT ABOUT RELIGIOUS 78 00:02:47,270 --> 00:02:49,160 FREEDOM, IT'S ABOUT BALANCING 79 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,120 CIVIL RIGHTS AND ENDING 80 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:52,260 DISCRIMINATION. 81 00:02:52,260 --> 00:02:53,270 MIKE PENCE BROUGHT US TO THIS 82 00:02:53,270 --> 00:02:54,060 POINT. 83 00:02:54,060 --> 00:02:56,000 IT WAS HIS IDEA FOR RFRA AND 84 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:57,150 HE EMBARRASSED THE ENTIRE 85 00:02:57,150 --> 00:02:58,040 STATE OF INDIANA IN THE 86 00:02:58,040 --> 00:02:59,030 PROCESS OF DOING IT. 87 00:02:59,110 --> 00:03:02,130 THE ONLY WAY TO DO THIS, WHICH 88 00:03:02,130 --> 00:03:04,270 WON'T RESULT IN A NEGATIVE 89 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:08,080 STORY SOMEPLACE IS TO DO IT 90 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:08,200 COMPLETELY. 91 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:09,280 PUT FOUR WORDS AND A COMMA IN 92 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,070 THE CIVIL RIGHTS BILL. 93 00:03:11,070 --> 00:03:12,040 HOUSE SPEAKER BRIAN BOSMA 94 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:13,100 SAYS HE DOESN'T KNOW ANYBODY 95 00:03:13,100 --> 00:03:15,130 WHO LIKES THE VERSION THAT 96 00:03:15,130 --> 00:03:16,280 IT'S IN NOW. 97 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,100 THIS HAS GOT A LONG WAYS TO GO 98 00:03:19,100 --> 00:03:20,190 BEFORE IT'S GOING TO BECOME 99 00:03:20,190 --> 00:03:20,280 LAW. 100 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,070 THE IMPORTANT THING IS IT'S 101 00:03:23,070 --> 00:03:24,160 STILL GOING. 102 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,030 DAVID LONG HAS PROVIDED 103 00:03:26,030 --> 00:03:27,130 TREMENDOUS LEADERSHIP ON THIS 104 00:03:27,130 --> 00:03:29,010 BECAUSE HE'S KEPT THIS ISSUE 105 00:03:29,010 --> 00:03:31,060 ALIVE AS HE PROMISED HE WOULD. 106 00:03:31,060 --> 00:03:32,090 HE'S PASSED IT OUT OF THE 107 00:03:32,090 --> 00:03:32,280 RULES COMMITTEE. 108 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,030 IT WILL GO TO THE PUBLIC 109 00:03:35,030 --> 00:03:37,090 SAFETY DIRECTOR, WILL BE 110 00:03:37,090 --> 00:03:38,180 AVAILABLE TUESDAY AND HAS TO 111 00:03:38,180 --> 00:03:39,210 BE HEARD I THINK WEDNESDAY, 112 00:03:39,210 --> 00:03:41,120 PASSED THROUGH THE FIRST HALF, 113 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,080 IF IT'S GOING TO PASS, SO -- 114 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:45,240 AND HE HAS SAID THAT HE WANTS 115 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,020 TO KEEP THIS BILL AS CLEAN AS 116 00:03:48,020 --> 00:03:49,080 IT IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE STRUCK 117 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:50,270 A BALANCE INSIDE THAT CAUCUS 118 00:03:50,270 --> 00:03:52,270 THAT THIS IS WHAT MIGHT BE 119 00:03:52,270 --> 00:03:53,270 ACCEPTABLE AT THIS POINT IN 120 00:03:53,270 --> 00:03:55,150 THE PROCESS. 121 00:03:55,150 --> 00:03:57,090 SO -- AND AS WE ALL KNOW, 122 00:03:57,090 --> 00:03:58,120 POLITICS IS THE ART OF THE 123 00:03:58,120 --> 00:03:59,210 POSSIBLE AND THAT'S CERTAINLY 124 00:03:59,210 --> 00:04:01,080 TRUE OF LEGISLATION AND IN 125 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,040 THIS CASE DAVID LONG HAS MOVED 126 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:04,170 ALONG AND HE OUGHT TO BE 127 00:04:04,170 --> 00:04:06,260 CREDITED FOR THAT AND IT DOES 128 00:04:06,260 --> 00:04:09,040 HAVE RELIGIOUS PROTECTION AND 129 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:10,010 BREAKS NEW GROUND IN CIVIL 130 00:04:10,010 --> 00:04:11,200 RIGHTS THAT THEY'VE NEVER BEEN 131 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,110 WILLING TO GO BEFORE. 132 00:04:13,110 --> 00:04:15,130 SO I'M GLAD HE'S KEPT IT 133 00:04:15,130 --> 00:04:16,250 ALIVE, I'M GLAD THE DEBATE'S 134 00:04:16,250 --> 00:04:17,280 GOING ON AND I THINK IT WILL 135 00:04:17,280 --> 00:04:18,210 PASS THE SENATE. 136 00:04:18,210 --> 00:04:20,130 WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND WHAT 137 00:04:20,130 --> 00:04:22,280 DAVID LONG IS SAYING IS THE 138 00:04:22,280 --> 00:04:25,150 SENATE WILL NOT SUPPORT 139 00:04:25,150 --> 00:04:26,250 TRANSGENDER PROTECTION AND 140 00:04:26,250 --> 00:04:29,130 WHAT THE LBGT COMMUNITY IS 141 00:04:29,130 --> 00:04:30,160 SAYING IS THEY WON'T LEAVE 142 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:31,190 THEM OUT. 143 00:04:31,190 --> 00:04:33,010 SO DO THEY TRY TO KILL IT AT 144 00:04:33,010 --> 00:04:34,050 SOME POINT? 145 00:04:34,050 --> 00:04:35,060 OH, I THINK THAT'S A GIVEN. 146 00:04:35,060 --> 00:04:37,090 I THINK THAT YOU HAVE STRONG 147 00:04:37,090 --> 00:04:39,130 FEELINGS, AND DAVID LONG EVEN 148 00:04:39,130 --> 00:04:41,010 MADE REFERENCE TO THIS, THERE 149 00:04:41,010 --> 00:04:42,210 ARE STRONG, STRONG FEELINGS ON 150 00:04:42,210 --> 00:04:45,010 BOTH SIDES OF THIS ISSUE AT 151 00:04:45,010 --> 00:04:45,270 THE EXTREMES. 152 00:04:45,270 --> 00:04:47,120 AND I DON'T THINK EITHER SIDE 153 00:04:49,060 --> 00:04:52,060 IS NECESSARILY IN A MOOD FOR 154 00:04:52,060 --> 00:04:52,180 COMPROMISE. 155 00:04:52,180 --> 00:04:53,180 RELIGIOUS FREEDOM FOLKS 156 00:04:53,180 --> 00:04:56,030 DON'T WANT ANY PROTECTION -- 157 00:04:56,030 --> 00:04:56,240 RIGHT. 158 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,060 SO RIGHT NOW EVERYBODY'S 159 00:04:58,060 --> 00:04:58,160 UNHAPPY. 160 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,070 THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. 161 00:05:00,070 --> 00:05:01,160 YES, THERE HAS BEEN AN ATTEMPT 162 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:04,020 TO COMPROMISE, BUT SOME OF THE 163 00:05:04,020 --> 00:05:05,230 COMPROMISES SEEM A BIT FORCED 164 00:05:05,270 --> 00:05:08,270 IN THAT THEY MAY CAUSE MORE 165 00:05:08,270 --> 00:05:11,020 TROUBLE THAN ARE INTEND THE. 166 00:05:11,020 --> 00:05:12,230 IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE 167 00:05:12,230 --> 00:05:13,110 CORE ISSUE. 168 00:05:13,110 --> 00:05:15,190 BUT THE NOTION OF HOME RULE 169 00:05:15,190 --> 00:05:17,200 AND MUNICIPAL ORDINANCES, 170 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:18,110 INITIALLY, YOU KNOW, THIS 171 00:05:18,110 --> 00:05:19,290 WOULD SUPERSEDE EVERYTHING BUT 172 00:05:19,290 --> 00:05:21,040 NOW AS IT'S WRITTEN, AS I 173 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:22,200 UNDERSTAND IT, YOU WOULD HAVE 174 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:23,190 ALL ORDINANCES THAT ARE IN 175 00:05:23,190 --> 00:05:25,220 PLACE AS OF DECEMBER 31st 176 00:05:25,220 --> 00:05:27,100 COULD REMAIN IN PLACE BUT NO 177 00:05:27,100 --> 00:05:28,150 NEW ONES WHICH SEEMS TO ME IF 178 00:05:28,150 --> 00:05:30,190 YOU HAVE A CHANGE IN 179 00:05:30,190 --> 00:05:32,100 LEADERSHIP OR A COUNCIL IN A 180 00:05:32,100 --> 00:05:34,100 GIVEN MUNICIPAL AND SAID 181 00:05:34,100 --> 00:05:35,160 EFFECTIVELY IT'S 182 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,010 DISENFRANCHISED ON UNABLE TO 183 00:05:37,010 --> 00:05:39,100 ACT IN A MANNER THAT A 184 00:05:39,100 --> 00:05:40,180 NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY HAS THAT 185 00:05:40,250 --> 00:05:43,250 SEEMS LIKE IT'S RIPE FOR 186 00:05:43,250 --> 00:05:44,070 CHALLENGE. 187 00:05:53,010 --> 00:05:56,010 IT HAS NUMEROUS PROBLEMS. 188 00:05:56,010 --> 00:05:56,270 IT REPEALS RFRA AND THE FIX 189 00:05:56,270 --> 00:05:57,110 FROM LAST YEAR. 190 00:05:57,110 --> 00:05:57,240 RIGHT. 191 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:58,140 IS THAT A GOOD MOVE? 192 00:05:58,140 --> 00:05:59,070 WELL, I THINK IN THE SCOPE 193 00:05:59,070 --> 00:05:59,260 OF THE BILL, IT MAKES SOME 194 00:05:59,260 --> 00:06:00,180 SENSE BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING 195 00:06:00,180 --> 00:06:01,090 TO REPLACE IT WITH THIS OTHER 196 00:06:01,090 --> 00:06:01,200 LANGUAGE. 197 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:02,100 BUT I DO THINK THAT IT'S GOT 198 00:06:02,100 --> 00:06:03,010 REAL PROBLEMS WHEN IT HITS THE 199 00:06:03,010 --> 00:06:03,100 HOUSE. 200 00:06:03,100 --> 00:06:04,010 I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO -- I 201 00:06:04,010 --> 00:06:04,160 AGREE WITH MIKE -- 202 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:05,060 IF IT HITS THE HOUSE. 203 00:06:05,060 --> 00:06:05,230 RIGHT. 204 00:06:05,230 --> 00:06:08,180 IF IT HITS THE HOUSE. 205 00:06:08,180 --> 00:06:08,260 BUT 206 00:06:08,260 --> 00:06:09,130 I THINK MIKE IS RIGHT. 207 00:06:09,130 --> 00:06:10,030 TO GET IT TO THIS POINT IS A 208 00:06:10,030 --> 00:06:10,250 REMARKABLE FEAT. 209 00:06:11,250 --> 00:06:14,250 IF IT GOES BEYOND THIS POINT 210 00:06:14,250 --> 00:06:15,110 WE'LL WAIT TO SEE. 211 00:06:15,110 --> 00:06:16,050 BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH 212 00:06:16,050 --> 00:06:16,250 REMEMBERING THAT THE PEOPLE 213 00:06:16,250 --> 00:06:18,010 WHO ARE FOR RELIGIOUS FREEDOM 214 00:06:18,070 --> 00:06:21,070 AND THE PEOPLE ARE FOR LBGTQ 215 00:06:21,130 --> 00:06:24,130 SITUATION, IF THIS BILL DIES 216 00:06:24,130 --> 00:06:25,230 AND NOTHING HAPPENS, THEN WE 217 00:06:25,230 --> 00:06:26,120 REVERT TO WHAT WE'VE BEEN 218 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:27,020 UNDER IN THE LAST YEAR AND I 219 00:06:27,020 --> 00:06:27,240 THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE 220 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:28,150 GENERAL ASSEMBLY WOULD BE JUST 221 00:06:28,150 --> 00:06:28,290 FINE WITH THAT. 222 00:06:28,290 --> 00:06:29,200 EVERYBODY ELSE WOULD BE PRETTY 223 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:30,130 UPSET. 224 00:06:30,130 --> 00:06:31,060 I THINK THE GOVERNOR WOULD 225 00:06:31,070 --> 00:06:34,070 BE JUST FINE WITH THAT. 226 00:06:34,070 --> 00:06:35,030 BUT I THINK EVERYBODY ELSE 227 00:06:35,030 --> 00:06:35,220 WOULD BE PRETTY FINE IF IT 228 00:06:35,220 --> 00:06:36,130 RESULTS AS SENATE BILL 50 AS A 229 00:06:36,130 --> 00:06:38,130 FIX LAST YEAR. 230 00:06:38,130 --> 00:06:40,070 BUT THE PROBLEM IS WE PUT 231 00:06:40,070 --> 00:06:43,070 THIS OUT AS AN ISSUE IN 232 00:06:43,070 --> 00:06:43,280 INDIANA. 233 00:06:43,280 --> 00:06:44,280 I AGREE. 234 00:06:44,280 --> 00:06:46,290 AND EVERYBODY'S GOING 235 00:06:46,290 --> 00:06:47,190 TO FOLLOW WHAT WE'RE DOING 236 00:06:47,190 --> 00:06:48,100 HERE AND EVEN IF OTHER STATES 237 00:06:48,100 --> 00:06:48,290 DON'T HAVE THIS PROTECTION 238 00:06:48,290 --> 00:06:49,190 WE'RE THE STATE THAT OPENED 239 00:06:49,190 --> 00:06:50,100 THE PANDORA'S BOX AND WE HAVE 240 00:06:50,100 --> 00:06:50,260 TO FIX IT AND FIX IT 241 00:06:50,260 --> 00:06:51,290 CORRECTLY. 242 00:06:51,290 --> 00:06:53,030 AND IF THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH 243 00:06:53,030 --> 00:06:54,220 GUMPTION IN THE LEGISLATURE 244 00:06:54,220 --> 00:06:56,030 TO UNDO THE DAMAGE THEY'VE 245 00:06:56,030 --> 00:06:58,050 DONE THEY OUGHT TO RESIGN 246 00:06:58,050 --> 00:06:59,250 THEIR SEATS, THAT'S WHAT THEY 247 00:06:59,250 --> 00:07:02,120 OUGHT TO DO. 248 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:03,050 WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT 249 00:07:03,050 --> 00:07:03,230 THIS ISSUE OVER THE LAST 250 00:07:03,230 --> 00:07:04,130 COUPLE YEARS ABOUT EVOLVING 251 00:07:04,130 --> 00:07:05,000 AND PEOPLE'S ATTITUDES 252 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:05,270 CHANGING, I KNOW PEOPLE IN 253 00:07:05,270 --> 00:07:07,060 THIS GROUP WHOSE ATTITUDES 254 00:07:07,060 --> 00:07:09,270 HAVE CHANGED AND -- BUT 255 00:07:09,270 --> 00:07:10,260 DIFFERENT PEOPLE COME TO 256 00:07:10,260 --> 00:07:11,150 CONCLUSIONS AT DIFFERENT 257 00:07:11,150 --> 00:07:14,150 TIMES. 258 00:07:14,150 --> 00:07:16,090 AND I BELIEVE THAT ONE OF THE 259 00:07:16,090 --> 00:07:17,120 REASONS THAT WE'RE WHERE WE 260 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,200 ARE IN THE SENATE RIGHT NOW IS 261 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:20,250 BECAUSE LEGISLATORS ARE NOT 262 00:07:20,250 --> 00:07:23,000 FEELING THE SAME KIND OF 263 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,170 CHANGE IN SOME OF THEIR OWN 264 00:07:25,170 --> 00:07:26,100 DISTRICTS BECAUSE LEGISLATORS 265 00:07:26,100 --> 00:07:27,070 FOR THE MOST PART -- YOU MAY 266 00:07:27,070 --> 00:07:29,270 BELIEVE THIS OR NOT BELIEVE 267 00:07:29,270 --> 00:07:30,170 THIS -- BUT THEY USUALLY 268 00:07:30,170 --> 00:07:31,060 REFLECT THE PEOPLE THEY 269 00:07:31,060 --> 00:07:32,040 REPRESENT BECAUSE THEY SPEND 270 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,240 MOST OF THEIR TIME DOING JUST 271 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:35,060 THAT. 272 00:07:35,060 --> 00:07:35,250 SO THERE ARE PARTS OF THE 273 00:07:35,250 --> 00:07:37,260 STATE WHERE PEOPLE ARE NOT UP 274 00:07:37,260 --> 00:07:38,170 TO SPEED ON THIS ON TRYING TO 275 00:07:38,170 --> 00:07:40,110 MAKE THESE KIND OF CHANGES. 276 00:07:40,110 --> 00:07:41,200 I THINK THAT'S COMING THROUGH 277 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:42,170 RIGHT NOW AND THAT'S WHY DAVID 278 00:07:42,170 --> 00:07:43,060 LONG IS TRYING TO STRIKE A 279 00:07:43,060 --> 00:07:45,170 BALANCE HERE. 280 00:07:45,170 --> 00:07:46,080 WHEN YOU HAVE IT AS AN 281 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,020 INDIVIDUAL -- HOW DO YOU 282 00:07:48,020 --> 00:07:49,240 DETERMINE WHAT SOMEBODY'S 283 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,060 INDIVIDUAL RELIGIOUS BELIEFS 284 00:07:51,060 --> 00:07:52,270 ARE? 285 00:07:52,270 --> 00:07:53,170 WE'LL BE LITIGATING THIS IT 286 00:07:53,170 --> 00:07:54,290 UNTIL THE COWS COME OVER. 287 00:07:54,290 --> 00:07:57,190 IT'S ADVANCING. 288 00:07:57,190 --> 00:07:58,250 ANN, IT'S STILL ALIVE. 289 00:07:58,250 --> 00:08:01,100 I AGREE WITH THAT 290 00:08:01,100 --> 00:08:02,020 IT TOOK COURAGE TO GET IT 291 00:08:02,020 --> 00:08:03,230 WHERE IT IS. 292 00:08:05,270 --> 00:08:08,270 I AGREE IT'S GETTING 293 00:08:08,270 --> 00:08:09,070 DEBATE, 294 00:08:09,070 --> 00:08:09,230 THAT'S A GOOD THING. 295 00:08:09,230 --> 00:08:10,120 BUT AT THE END OF THAT TO 296 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:11,030 RESOLVE INDIANA'S IMAGE IT HAS 297 00:08:11,030 --> 00:08:11,150 TO BE FIXED. 298 00:08:11,150 --> 00:08:12,070 LONG PROMISED THERE WOULD 299 00:08:12,070 --> 00:08:12,210 BE A DISCUSSION. 300 00:08:12,210 --> 00:08:13,110 HE'S FULFILLED HIS PROMISE. 301 00:08:13,110 --> 00:08:14,000 AND HE'S CONTINUED. 302 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,080 THAT'S UNDER TOUGH 303 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:17,290 CIRCUMSTANCE FOR HIM TO BE 304 00:08:18,180 --> 00:08:21,180 DOING THIS INSIDE HIS OWN 305 00:08:21,180 --> 00:08:21,280 CAUCUS. 306 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:22,210 YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT ABOUT 307 00:08:22,210 --> 00:08:23,110 THE EVOLUTION ON THIS ISSUE, 308 00:08:23,110 --> 00:08:24,020 HOW RAPID THE CHANGE HAS BEEN. 309 00:08:24,020 --> 00:08:25,070 THAT'S WHY IT'S A GUARANTEE NO 310 00:08:25,070 --> 00:08:26,100 MATTER WHAT HAPPENS EVEN AS 311 00:08:26,100 --> 00:08:28,220 JOHN SUGGESTS NOTHING HAPPENS 312 00:08:28,290 --> 00:08:31,290 IN THIS SESSION THE ISSUE 313 00:08:31,290 --> 00:08:34,160 AND IT REVERTS BACK TO THE 314 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,020 ISSUE WE HAVE IN PLACE, IT 315 00:08:37,020 --> 00:08:37,220 DOESN'T GO AWAY BECAUSE THIS 316 00:08:37,220 --> 00:08:38,120 WILL BE BACK AND FORTH AS A 317 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:39,020 PING-PONG BALL AND HOW ABOUT 318 00:08:39,020 --> 00:08:39,160 THE NEXT DECADE. 319 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:40,080 AS FAR AS THE ELECTION'S 320 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:40,270 CONCERNED I THINK AT THAT 321 00:08:40,270 --> 00:08:41,160 POINT YOU WILL CLEARLY SEE 322 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:42,070 WHERE PEOPLE OF INDIANA REALLY 323 00:08:42,070 --> 00:08:42,220 ARE ON THIS ISSUE. 324 00:08:42,220 --> 00:08:43,120 BECAUSE WE'LL FIND OUT IN A 325 00:08:51,070 --> 00:08:54,070 HURRY WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS 326 00:08:54,070 --> 00:08:54,280 HURRY WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS 327 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:55,190 AN ISSUE IS THE KIND THAT CAN 328 00:08:55,190 --> 00:08:56,090 DETERMINE AN ELECTION FOR A 329 00:08:56,090 --> 00:08:57,130 MEMBER OF THE LEGISLATURE. 330 00:08:57,130 --> 00:08:58,240 INTERESTING TO SEE. 331 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,020 MOVING ON -- 332 00:09:01,020 --> 00:09:01,230 A BILL THAT INCLUDES TAX 333 00:09:01,230 --> 00:09:02,130 HIKES ON GAS AND CIGARETTES 334 00:09:02,130 --> 00:09:04,020 NOW INCLUDES A TAX CUT. 335 00:09:04,020 --> 00:09:06,030 THE HOUSE WAYS AND MEANS 336 00:09:06,030 --> 00:09:07,190 COMMITTEE ADDED A PROVISION TO 337 00:09:07,190 --> 00:09:08,270 THE ROAD FUNDING BILL THAT 338 00:09:08,270 --> 00:09:10,200 WOULD REDUCE THE STATE INCOME 339 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:13,050 TAX OVER A TEN-YEAR PERIOD. 340 00:09:13,050 --> 00:09:14,040 IT'S AN OBVIOUS ATTEMPT TO 341 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:15,120 SWEETEN THE BILL AND ATTRACT 342 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,050 VOTES FROM TAX HIKE OPPONENTS. 343 00:09:17,050 --> 00:09:18,240 HOUSE SPEAKER BRIAN BOSMA. 344 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:19,280 IS THAT MY FIRST CHOICE? 345 00:09:20,230 --> 00:09:23,230 ABSOLUTELY NOT. 346 00:09:23,230 --> 00:09:26,170 AM I HOPING TO MAKE THE 347 00:09:26,170 --> 00:09:27,040 PACKAGE A LITTLE MORE 348 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:27,220 ATTRACTIVE TO OUR SENATE 349 00:09:27,220 --> 00:09:28,130 COLLEAGUES AND MEET ONE OF THE 350 00:09:28,130 --> 00:09:29,030 GOVERNOR'S LONG TERM GOALS? 351 00:09:29,030 --> 00:09:29,180 YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 352 00:09:29,180 --> 00:09:30,240 IS THAT PRUDENT? 353 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:31,200 AND A LOT OF THAT DEPENDS ON 354 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:32,260 THE ECONOMIC CIRCUMSTANCES OF 355 00:09:32,260 --> 00:09:34,050 THE STATE AT THE TIME WE 356 00:09:34,050 --> 00:09:35,250 CONSIDER PASSING IT, BUT I 357 00:09:35,250 --> 00:09:36,180 THINK THOSE ARE TWO SEPARATE 358 00:09:38,050 --> 00:09:41,050 ISSUES. 359 00:09:41,050 --> 00:09:42,170 AND THAT'S SENATE LEADER 360 00:09:42,170 --> 00:09:43,290 DAVID LONG. 361 00:09:43,290 --> 00:09:45,230 MIKE McDANIEL, WHAT MAKES 362 00:09:45,230 --> 00:09:47,100 SENSE ABOUT CUTTING TAXES AT 363 00:09:48,150 --> 00:09:51,150 THE SAME TIME THAT YOU RAISE 364 00:09:51,150 --> 00:09:51,240 THEM? 365 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:52,170 I THINK POLITICALLY IT MADE 366 00:09:52,170 --> 00:09:53,040 A LOT OF SENSE ON THE 367 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:53,230 POLITICAL END OF IT TRYING 368 00:09:53,230 --> 00:09:54,140 TO -- AS I SAID BEFORE, LAST 369 00:09:54,140 --> 00:09:55,150 WEEK, WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF 370 00:09:55,150 --> 00:09:57,000 THE LEGISLATION, 371 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:57,250 REPRESENTATIVE SOLIDAY PUT A 372 00:09:57,250 --> 00:09:58,160 LOT OF THOUGHT INTO THIS BILL. 373 00:09:58,160 --> 00:09:59,280 ED SOLIDAY. 374 00:10:01,250 --> 00:10:04,250 THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD WORK 375 00:10:04,250 --> 00:10:05,170 THAT'S BEING GOING INTO THIS 376 00:10:05,170 --> 00:10:06,050 LOOKING FOR A LONG-TERM 377 00:10:06,050 --> 00:10:06,240 SOLUTION. 378 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,000 BUT AS WE SAID BEFORE, THE 379 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:09,220 POLITICS OF A NONBUDGET 380 00:10:09,220 --> 00:10:11,070 ELECTION YEAR, TRYING TO GET 381 00:10:11,070 --> 00:10:12,230 THIS DONE, IS PRETTY DIFFICULT 382 00:10:12,230 --> 00:10:14,260 AT BEST. 383 00:10:14,260 --> 00:10:17,020 AND SO GOING TO THE SENATE, I 384 00:10:17,020 --> 00:10:18,050 DON'T THINK THIS HAS ANY 385 00:10:18,050 --> 00:10:19,120 CHANCE OF HAPPENING OVER THERE 386 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,140 BUT I DO THINK YOU'RE GOING TO 387 00:10:21,140 --> 00:10:22,260 SEE LEGISLATION PASSED THIS 388 00:10:22,260 --> 00:10:25,170 YEAR THAT WILL DEDICATE MONEY 389 00:10:25,170 --> 00:10:26,200 TO ROADS, LOCAL AND STATE, BUT 390 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:27,070 IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A 391 00:10:27,070 --> 00:10:28,230 LONG-TERM FIX. 392 00:10:28,230 --> 00:10:29,190 YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THAT 393 00:10:29,190 --> 00:10:31,190 UNTIL THE BUDGET YEAR, PERIOD. 394 00:10:32,010 --> 00:10:35,010 THE HOUSE SPEAKER SAYS THAT 395 00:10:35,010 --> 00:10:35,270 THIS BILL, WITH THE TAX HIKES 396 00:10:35,270 --> 00:10:37,100 AND THE TAX CUT, WOULD BE 397 00:10:37,100 --> 00:10:38,040 REVENUE-NEUTRAL AFTER EIGHT 398 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:39,040 YEARS. 399 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:40,160 IT'S RIDICULOUS. 400 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:41,120 BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT WILL 401 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,000 HAPPEN WITH THIS. 402 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:43,270 THEY STRETCH IT OVER AN 403 00:10:43,270 --> 00:10:45,020 EIGHT-YEAR PERIOD SO THE NEXT 404 00:10:45,020 --> 00:10:47,210 YEAR OR THE YEAR AFTER WHEN 405 00:10:47,210 --> 00:10:49,080 NOBODY'S PAYING ATTENTION IT 406 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:50,260 WILL GET REPEALED. 407 00:10:50,260 --> 00:10:51,200 REMEMBER WHEN WE HAD TOO MUCH 408 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:52,210 IN THE SURPLUS IT WAS GOING TO 409 00:10:52,210 --> 00:10:54,120 GO BACK, GUESS WHAT, THAT GOT 410 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,050 REPEALED AND THIS WILL, TOO. 411 00:10:56,050 --> 00:10:58,070 BUT THE IDEA IS THEY'VE GOT TO 412 00:10:58,070 --> 00:10:59,110 FACE UP TO THE RESPONSIBILITY. 413 00:10:59,110 --> 00:11:00,190 THE RESPONSIBILITY IS TO COME 414 00:11:00,190 --> 00:11:03,140 UP WITH A SENSIBLE WAY FOR 415 00:11:03,140 --> 00:11:05,080 LONG-TERM FUNDING OF ROADS. 416 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:06,200 AND THE CIGARETTE TAX AND 417 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:07,210 MOVING THE MONEY AROUND THE 418 00:11:07,210 --> 00:11:09,090 GENERAL FUND AND ARGUABLY 419 00:11:09,090 --> 00:11:12,060 TAKING MONEY FROM HIGHER 420 00:11:12,060 --> 00:11:12,290 EDUCATION AND EDUCATION TO DO 421 00:11:12,290 --> 00:11:14,030 THAT IS NOT THE WAY. 422 00:11:14,030 --> 00:11:14,280 YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO 423 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,050 INCREASE THE REVENUE. 424 00:11:16,050 --> 00:11:17,260 YOU'RE SAYING THAT'S WHAT 425 00:11:17,260 --> 00:11:19,120 WOULD HAPPEN IF THEY CUT THE 426 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:20,160 INCOME TAX, WHAT THE 427 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:21,070 REPUBLICANS ARE SAYING IS IT 428 00:11:21,070 --> 00:11:21,260 WOULD REDUCE THE SURPLUS. 429 00:11:23,150 --> 00:11:26,150 WELL, IT WOULD REDUCE THE 430 00:11:28,020 --> 00:11:31,020 SURPLUS FOR USES IN OTHER 431 00:11:31,020 --> 00:11:32,100 PLACES, AND IF THE SURPLUS 432 00:11:32,100 --> 00:11:33,030 FALLS BELOW A CERTAIN LEVEL 433 00:11:33,030 --> 00:11:33,280 THEN YOU DO HAVE REAL PROBLEMS 434 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:34,200 WHEN IT COMES TO CASH FLOW FOR 435 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,070 THE BUDGET OVERALL AND YOU DO 436 00:11:36,070 --> 00:11:36,160 SEE -- 437 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:37,070 NOT THE CORPORATE CASH 438 00:11:37,070 --> 00:11:38,160 FLOW. 439 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:39,080 THE DEMOCRAT PLAN'S NOT A 440 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:39,240 LONG-TERM SITUATION. 441 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:40,150 THAT'S NOT THE ARGUMENT 442 00:11:40,150 --> 00:11:40,270 HERE, MIKE. 443 00:11:41,110 --> 00:11:44,110 THE ARGUMENT IS WHETHER OR NOT 444 00:11:44,110 --> 00:11:47,110 IT MAKES SENSE TO REDUCE THE 445 00:11:47,110 --> 00:11:48,030 INCOME TAX AT THE SAME TIME 446 00:11:48,030 --> 00:11:49,260 YOU'RE INCREASING THE GAS TAX. 447 00:11:49,260 --> 00:11:51,260 IT'S A POLITICALLY 448 00:11:51,260 --> 00:11:52,270 UNDERSTANDABLE MOVE. 449 00:11:52,270 --> 00:11:53,200 IT'S BAD PUBLIC POLICY. 450 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,040 RIGHT. 451 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:57,240 WELL, AND IT'S AIMED 452 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:58,170 EVENTUALLY AT GETTING THE 453 00:11:58,170 --> 00:12:00,200 GOVERNOR TO SIGN IT. 454 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:01,130 WILL HE SIGN A BILL WITH TAX 455 00:12:01,130 --> 00:12:03,000 HIKES IN IT? 456 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:04,160 I THINK HE WOULD BE 457 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,090 RELUCTANT FOR THE VERY REASON 458 00:12:06,090 --> 00:12:07,210 YOU MENTIONED, THIS BEING -- 459 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,200 NOVEMBER'S NOT THAT TERRIBLY 460 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:13,110 FAR AWAY, WHEN VOTERS GO TO 461 00:12:13,110 --> 00:12:13,220 THE POLLS. 462 00:12:13,220 --> 00:12:15,230 IT'S A TOUGH ISSUE. 463 00:12:15,230 --> 00:12:16,160 I MEAN, ULTIMATELY I THINK 464 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:17,200 THERE'S GOT TO BE A 465 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:18,210 RECOGNITION -- AND WE CAN CALL 466 00:12:18,210 --> 00:12:20,210 IT WHATEVER YOU WANT, TAX 467 00:12:20,210 --> 00:12:21,090 INCREASE, USER FEE -- 468 00:12:21,090 --> 00:12:22,030 WALKS LIKE A DUCK, TALKS 469 00:12:22,030 --> 00:12:23,210 LIKE A DUCK. 470 00:12:23,210 --> 00:12:24,240 WHATEVER IT IS. 471 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,000 REVENUE -- EXPENSES GO UP, 472 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:26,220 COSTS GO UP, THEY GO UP IN THE 473 00:12:26,220 --> 00:12:28,090 REST OF THE WORLD. 474 00:12:28,090 --> 00:12:30,280 GOVERNMENT DOESN'T OPERATE IN 475 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:31,230 A VACUUM, AND IF PEOPLE WANT 476 00:12:31,230 --> 00:12:32,240 THE SERVICES AND THE ROADS AND 477 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,250 THE BRIDGES THAT THEY EXPECT 478 00:12:34,250 --> 00:12:35,210 AND DEMAND, SOMEBODY'S GOT TO 479 00:12:35,210 --> 00:12:38,110 PAY FOR IT. 480 00:12:38,110 --> 00:12:39,060 NOW, WHETHER THAT'S BEING 481 00:12:45,020 --> 00:12:48,020 PASSED OFF TO THE LOCALS TO DO 482 00:12:48,020 --> 00:12:48,190 INCREASE OR ADDITIONAL 483 00:12:48,190 --> 00:12:49,080 SURCHARGE WHEEL CHARGE, IT 484 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:49,270 DOESN'T MATTER IN THE END 485 00:12:49,270 --> 00:12:50,180 SOMEBODY'S GOT TO PRODUCE THE 486 00:12:50,180 --> 00:12:50,280 REVENUE. 487 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:51,200 WE NEED AN ONGOING SOURCE 488 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:52,100 THAT'S RELATED TO THE ROADS 489 00:12:52,100 --> 00:12:52,280 AND THAT'S OBVIOUSLY AN 490 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:54,120 INCREASE IN GAS TAX. 491 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:55,030 THE MONEY GOING TO THE 492 00:12:55,030 --> 00:12:55,170 RELATED SOURCE. 493 00:12:55,170 --> 00:12:56,060 DUH. 494 00:12:56,060 --> 00:12:56,260 THIS IS MESSY AT THE 495 00:12:58,220 --> 00:13:01,240 MOMENT. 496 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:02,100 ALL RIGHT. 497 00:13:02,100 --> 00:13:03,020 A BILL THAT WOULD ALLOW 200 498 00:13:03,020 --> 00:13:03,220 STAFF MEMBERS TO CARRY GUNS 499 00:13:03,220 --> 00:13:04,180 INSIDE THE STATEHOUSE IS NOW 500 00:13:04,180 --> 00:13:05,160 ON ITS WAY TO THE INDIANA 501 00:13:05,290 --> 00:13:08,290 HOUSE FLOOR. 502 00:13:08,290 --> 00:13:10,120 THE BILL PASSED THE STATE 503 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:11,160 SENATE 36-13 THIS WEEK. 504 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,070 LAWMAKERS AND JUDGES CAN 505 00:13:13,070 --> 00:13:13,270 ALREADY CARRY GUNS AND MANY 506 00:13:13,270 --> 00:13:15,130 DO. 507 00:13:15,130 --> 00:13:16,190 STATE SENATOR BRENT STEELE 508 00:13:16,190 --> 00:13:17,100 SAYS OTHERS SHOULD HAVE THE 509 00:13:17,100 --> 00:13:19,250 SAME OPPORTUNITY. 510 00:13:19,250 --> 00:13:21,010 THAT IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO 511 00:13:21,010 --> 00:13:21,190 CARRY, THAT'S YOUR 512 00:13:21,190 --> 00:13:22,090 PREROGATIVE. 513 00:13:22,090 --> 00:13:24,030 GO FOR IT. 514 00:13:24,030 --> 00:13:26,240 I CHOOSE NOT TO BE A VICTIM. 515 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:29,060 I WOULD CHOOSE THAT MY 516 00:13:29,060 --> 00:13:29,270 LEGISLATIVE ASSISTANT HAS THE 517 00:13:30,090 --> 00:13:33,090 RIGHT NOT TO BE A VICTIM. 518 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,040 JOHN KETZENBERGER, WHY NOT 519 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:38,130 LET EVERYBODY CARRY A GUN IN 520 00:13:38,130 --> 00:13:40,210 THE STATEHOUSE? 521 00:13:40,210 --> 00:13:41,170 USING THE SAME LOGIC THAT 522 00:13:41,170 --> 00:13:42,050 SENATOR STEELE USED THE 523 00:13:42,050 --> 00:13:42,260 QUESTION IS WHY NOT BECAUSE IF 524 00:13:42,260 --> 00:13:44,240 BY DEFAULT HE OR HIS 525 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:45,180 LEGISLATIVE ASSISTANT WILL NOT 526 00:13:45,180 --> 00:13:47,050 BE A VICTIM IF THEY CARRY GUNS 527 00:13:47,050 --> 00:13:48,220 THEN EVERYBODY ELSE WILL BE. 528 00:13:48,220 --> 00:13:49,140 SO WHY NOT LET EVERYBODY ELSE 529 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:52,160 CARRY GUNS. 530 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:53,120 I MEAN, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE 531 00:13:53,210 --> 00:13:56,210 LINE OF DEMARCATION AND IT 532 00:13:56,210 --> 00:13:59,170 DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, REALLY. 533 00:13:59,170 --> 00:14:00,270 THIS IS THE NRA -- 534 00:14:00,270 --> 00:14:01,250 RUNNING AMOK. 535 00:14:01,250 --> 00:14:03,080 I WASN'T GOING TO SAY THAT. 536 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,210 I'LL SAY IT FOR YOU. 537 00:14:05,210 --> 00:14:06,150 THEIR ANSWER IS NOT FEWER 538 00:14:06,150 --> 00:14:09,090 GUNS, IT'S MORE GUNS. 539 00:14:09,090 --> 00:14:10,110 I THINK THAT'S -- I THINK 540 00:14:10,170 --> 00:14:13,170 THAT'S RIGHT OVERALL. 541 00:14:13,170 --> 00:14:14,240 I MEAN, THIS IS -- SEEMS TO BE 542 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:16,090 THE ONE AREA WHERE THERE IS 543 00:14:16,140 --> 00:14:19,140 MOVEMENT, OR SUCCESS FOR THE 544 00:14:19,140 --> 00:14:20,040 NRA AND PRO-GUN FACTION THIS 545 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:21,060 YEAR. 546 00:14:21,060 --> 00:14:21,260 THERE ARE OTHER BILLS THAT 547 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:27,040 WOULD HAVE EXTENDED 548 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:27,250 PROTECTIONS ON COLLEGE 549 00:14:27,250 --> 00:14:29,180 CAMPUSES, I'M TALKING ABOUT 550 00:14:29,180 --> 00:14:30,120 SECOND AMENDMENT PROTECTION ON 551 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:31,020 COLLEGE CAMPUSES FOR PEOPLE 552 00:14:31,020 --> 00:14:31,230 WHO HAVE DRINKING CONVICTIONS 553 00:14:31,230 --> 00:14:32,110 OR ALCOHOL CONVICTIONS. 554 00:14:32,110 --> 00:14:33,030 THERE'S ANOTHER ONE THAT 555 00:14:33,030 --> 00:14:33,230 WOULD ALLOW PRISON GUARDS TO 556 00:14:33,230 --> 00:14:34,090 BRING A GUN TO WORK. 557 00:14:35,100 --> 00:14:38,100 ANOTHER ONE THAT WOULD DO 558 00:14:38,100 --> 00:14:41,040 AWAY WITH ALL HANDGUN 559 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:42,130 LICENSING REQUIREMENTS. 560 00:14:43,210 --> 00:14:46,210 MAYBE PRISONERS SHOULD HAVE 561 00:14:46,210 --> 00:14:47,000 THEM. 562 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:47,170 THOSE AREN'T GOING 563 00:14:47,170 --> 00:14:47,290 ANYWHERE. 564 00:14:47,290 --> 00:14:48,190 THIS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT'S 565 00:14:48,190 --> 00:14:49,080 GOING ANYWHERE. 566 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:49,290 LET ME SAY THIS, IF YOU LISTEN 567 00:14:49,290 --> 00:14:50,170 TO THE TESTIMONY OR THE 568 00:14:50,170 --> 00:14:51,080 COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE AT THE 569 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,160 ROSTRUM IT PAINTS A PRETTY 570 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,020 BLEAK PICTURE OF THE STATE AND 571 00:14:55,020 --> 00:14:57,190 INDIANAPOLIS BASICALLY IF YOU 572 00:14:58,050 --> 00:15:01,070 GO OUTSITED DOOR, YOU BETTER 573 00:15:01,070 --> 00:15:01,160 BE -- 574 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:02,080 THAT'S THE ARGUMENT THAT 575 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:02,260 WAS MADE THAT THEY DON'T 576 00:15:02,260 --> 00:15:03,160 NECESSARILY NEED GUNS INSIDE 577 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:04,070 THE STATEHOUSE BUT THEY MIGHT 578 00:15:04,070 --> 00:15:04,280 NEED THEM WHEN THEY'RE WALKING 579 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,080 TO OR FROM THEIR CAR. 580 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:07,030 IT'S NEVER BEEN A WORRY FOR 581 00:15:07,030 --> 00:15:08,020 ME. 582 00:15:08,020 --> 00:15:09,210 DO YOU WORRY, MIKE? 583 00:15:09,290 --> 00:15:12,290 NO, I REALLY DON'T. 584 00:15:12,290 --> 00:15:13,290 BUT, LOOK, THERE ARE ABOUT 200 585 00:15:13,290 --> 00:15:14,170 STAFF PEOPLE IN THE 586 00:15:15,030 --> 00:15:18,030 LEGISLATURE. 587 00:15:18,140 --> 00:15:21,140 AND THIS MAY AFFECT FOUR OR 588 00:15:21,140 --> 00:15:22,040 FIVE PEOPLE, AND I DON'T SEE 589 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:22,270 THIS AS A BIG DEAL IN THE BIG 590 00:15:22,270 --> 00:15:24,150 SCOPE OF THINGS. 591 00:15:24,150 --> 00:15:25,050 BUT, YOU KNOW, IT IS WHAT IT 592 00:15:25,050 --> 00:15:27,070 IS. 593 00:15:27,070 --> 00:15:28,020 AND WE ALWAYS SAID THAT THE 594 00:15:28,020 --> 00:15:29,170 BULLET-PROOF GLASS IN THE 595 00:15:29,170 --> 00:15:31,250 HOUSE WAS NOT TO PROTECT THE 596 00:15:31,250 --> 00:15:33,130 LEGISLATORS, IT'S PROTECT US 597 00:15:33,130 --> 00:15:34,080 IN THE HALLWAY WHEN THE 598 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,040 LEGISLATORS START SHOOTING 599 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,200 AT EACH OTHER. 600 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:42,220 I THINK REPORTERRED, YOU'RE 601 00:15:42,220 --> 00:15:44,280 GOING TO BE TARGETED 602 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:45,200 I DRAW THE LINE WITH 603 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,040 REPORTERS HAVING GUNS. 604 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:48,260 SENATOR SAID HE WAS GOING 605 00:15:48,260 --> 00:15:49,150 TO TRY TO GET REPORTERS IN 606 00:15:49,150 --> 00:15:50,120 NEXT YEAR. 607 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:50,290 OH, GREAT. 608 00:15:50,290 --> 00:15:51,230 I CANNOT BELIEVE WE'RE WASTING 609 00:15:51,230 --> 00:15:54,050 TIME ON THIS. 610 00:15:54,050 --> 00:15:55,140 I MEAN, WE'VE GOT ADULTS 611 00:15:55,140 --> 00:15:58,000 DYING, ADULT PROTECTIVE 612 00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:58,270 SERVICES IS UNDERFUNDED, WE 613 00:15:58,270 --> 00:15:59,150 DON'T DEBATE ANY OF THAT 614 00:16:05,020 --> 00:16:08,020 STUFF, WE DEBATE THIS 615 00:16:08,020 --> 00:16:08,220 NONSENSE, THE NRA AND THE 616 00:16:09,090 --> 00:16:12,090 REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED AGENDA. 617 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:17,160 WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THE 618 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:18,070 PEN BEING MORE POWERFUL 619 00:16:18,070 --> 00:16:18,250 THAN THE SWORD, WHATEVER 620 00:16:18,250 --> 00:16:19,110 HAPPENED WITH THAT. 621 00:16:19,110 --> 00:16:20,040 DO WELL WHEN THEY SHOOT AT 622 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:20,120 YOU. 623 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:20,290 TIME NOW FOR VIEWER 624 00:16:20,290 --> 00:16:21,100 FEEDBACK. 625 00:16:21,100 --> 00:16:21,260 EACH WEEK WE POSE AN 626 00:16:21,260 --> 00:16:22,150 UNSCIENTIFIC, ONLINE POLL 627 00:16:22,150 --> 00:16:23,050 QUESTION IN CONJUNCTION WITH 628 00:16:23,050 --> 00:16:23,260 OUR ICEMILLER E-MAIL AND TEXT 629 00:16:23,260 --> 00:16:24,060 ALERTS. 630 00:16:24,060 --> 00:16:24,240 THIS WEEK'S QUESTION... 631 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:25,150 SHOULD STATEHOUSE STAFFERS BE 632 00:16:25,150 --> 00:16:26,030 PERMITTED TO CARRY GUNS? 633 00:16:26,030 --> 00:16:26,200 YOUR CHOICES ARE 634 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:27,000 A. YES. 635 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:27,090 B. NO. 636 00:16:27,090 --> 00:16:27,280 C. ONLY IF THE PUBLIC CAN, 637 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:28,130 TOO. 638 00:16:28,130 --> 00:16:29,040 LAST WEEK'S QUESTION... 639 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:29,250 DO YOU SUPPORT A HIKE IN THE 640 00:16:29,250 --> 00:16:31,230 CIGARETTE TAX? 641 00:16:31,230 --> 00:16:34,040 81% SAID YES, 12% SAID NO, 7% 642 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,200 SAID A DOLLAR IS TOO MUCH. 643 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,190 IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TAKE PART 644 00:16:39,190 --> 00:16:40,110 IN THE POLL, GO TO 645 00:16:40,110 --> 00:16:41,070 WFYI.ORG/IWIR AND LOOK FOR THE 646 00:16:41,070 --> 00:16:42,150 POLL. 647 00:16:42,150 --> 00:16:44,010 BIG CHANGES ARE ON THE WAY 648 00:16:46,130 --> 00:16:49,130 FOR THE MENTALLY ILL INMATES 649 00:16:49,130 --> 00:16:50,000 WHO MAKE UP AS MUCH AS 650 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:50,210 20% OF THE INDIANA PRISON 651 00:16:50,210 --> 00:16:51,190 POPULATION. 652 00:16:51,190 --> 00:16:53,190 THE ACLU OF INDIANA AND 653 00:16:53,190 --> 00:16:54,130 INDIANA PROTECTION AND 654 00:16:54,130 --> 00:16:55,220 ADVOCACY SERVICES ANNOUNCED A 655 00:16:55,220 --> 00:16:56,240 SETTLEMENT WITH THE INDIANA 656 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:57,230 DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTION THIS 657 00:16:57,230 --> 00:16:59,190 WEEK. 658 00:16:59,190 --> 00:17:00,250 THE TWO GROUPS SUED OVER THE 659 00:17:00,250 --> 00:17:02,020 WAY THE STATE TREATS MENTALLY 660 00:17:02,020 --> 00:17:03,220 ILL PRISONERS. 661 00:17:03,220 --> 00:17:05,060 A SETTLEMENT REQUIRES STATE 662 00:17:05,060 --> 00:17:06,290 CORRECTIONAL FACILITIES TO 663 00:17:06,290 --> 00:17:08,170 HAVE INDIVIDUALIZED TREATMENT 664 00:17:08,170 --> 00:17:10,280 PLANS FOR INMATES, CREATED BY 665 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:11,200 MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS 666 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:12,090 WHO ARE FAMILIAR WITH EACH 667 00:17:12,090 --> 00:17:14,120 PRISONER. 668 00:17:14,120 --> 00:17:16,160 KEN FALK OF THE ACLU SAYS 669 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:17,160 ISOLATION CAN NO LONGER BE 670 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:18,100 USED AS A PUNISHMENT IN MOST 671 00:17:18,100 --> 00:17:19,270 CASES. 672 00:17:25,090 --> 00:17:28,090 ONE OF THE THINGS THE 673 00:17:28,090 --> 00:17:28,290 SETTLEMENT DOES, IS IT SAYS 674 00:17:28,290 --> 00:17:29,200 THAT BEFORE A PRISONER WHO IS 675 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:30,060 MENTALLY ILL CAN BE 676 00:17:30,060 --> 00:17:30,250 DISCIPLINED, THE TREATMENT 677 00:17:30,250 --> 00:17:31,280 STAFF HAVE TO BE CONSULTED AND 678 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:32,200 SAY, HEY, IS THE REASON THAT 679 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:33,130 SO AND SO DID THIS IS BECAUSE 680 00:17:33,130 --> 00:17:34,200 THEY ARE MENTALLY ILL. 681 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,020 JON SCHWANTES, HOW WILL 682 00:17:36,020 --> 00:17:36,260 THIS AFFECT THE STATE'S 683 00:17:36,260 --> 00:17:38,260 PRISONS? 684 00:17:41,150 --> 00:17:44,150 I THINK IT WILL IMPROVE THE 685 00:17:44,150 --> 00:17:45,220 SITUATION AND KEN FALK AND 686 00:17:45,220 --> 00:17:46,150 OTHERS WITH THE ACLU POINTED 687 00:17:46,150 --> 00:17:47,060 OUT THAT THE STATE HAS ALREADY 688 00:17:47,060 --> 00:17:47,270 BEEN QUICK TO INCORPORATE SOME 689 00:17:47,270 --> 00:17:48,170 OF THESE CHANGES EVEN BEFORE 690 00:17:48,170 --> 00:17:49,070 THE FORMALIZATION OF THIS -- 691 00:17:49,070 --> 00:17:50,080 BEFORE THE SETTLEMENT. 692 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:51,000 BUT THE LAWSUIT'S SEVEN YEARS 693 00:17:51,090 --> 00:17:54,090 OLD. 694 00:17:54,090 --> 00:17:55,020 RIGHT, RIGHT, WELL, THERE'S 695 00:17:55,020 --> 00:17:55,240 PLENTY OF TIME FOR CHANGES TO 696 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,080 BE MADE. 697 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:57,290 BUT THIS IS A SIGN I THINK OF 698 00:17:57,290 --> 00:17:58,160 A POSITIVE THING. 699 00:17:58,160 --> 00:17:59,080 YOU LOOK AT THE FACT THAT THE 700 00:17:59,080 --> 00:17:59,270 LARGEST PROVIDER OF MENTAL 701 00:17:59,270 --> 00:18:00,190 HEALTH SERVICES IN THE STATE 702 00:18:00,190 --> 00:18:01,090 OF INDIANA IS THE DEPARTMENT 703 00:18:01,090 --> 00:18:02,140 OF CORRECTION, YOU HAVE 704 00:18:02,140 --> 00:18:05,040 ROUGHLY ONE IN FIVE INMATES 705 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,080 HAVE BEEN DIAGNOSED AS HAVING 706 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:07,270 A MENTAL ILLNESS AND GUESS 707 00:18:07,270 --> 00:18:08,240 WHAT, MOST OF THOSE 708 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,150 INDIVIDUALS WILL BE GETTING 709 00:18:10,150 --> 00:18:12,040 BACK OUT INTO SOCIETY. 710 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:13,290 SO DO YOU WANT PEOPLE WHO HAVE 711 00:18:13,290 --> 00:18:14,290 HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET CARE 712 00:18:14,290 --> 00:18:16,120 FOR THEIR ILLNESSES? 713 00:18:16,120 --> 00:18:17,060 YOU COUPLE THIS WITH WHAT WAS 714 00:18:17,060 --> 00:18:18,020 BEING DONE AT COMMUNITY 715 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,000 HOSPITAL WITH THE NEW FACILITY 716 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,020 THAT THE PENCE ADMINISTRATION 717 00:18:26,170 --> 00:18:29,170 , VERY POSITIVE, AND ALSO IN 718 00:18:29,170 --> 00:18:29,290 KEEPING WITH 719 00:18:29,290 --> 00:18:30,190 BARACK OBAMA'S ANNOUNCEMENT 720 00:18:30,190 --> 00:18:31,090 THAT HE WOULD EFFECTIVELY DO 721 00:18:31,090 --> 00:18:31,280 AWAY WITH LARGE ASPECTS OF 722 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:32,150 SOLITARY CONFINEMENT. 723 00:18:32,150 --> 00:18:33,070 FOR JUVENILES, JUVENILES. 724 00:18:33,070 --> 00:18:35,230 OR FOR MENTAL HEALTH. 725 00:18:35,230 --> 00:18:37,030 AND MENTAL HEALTH. 726 00:18:37,030 --> 00:18:37,240 IT'S ALSO A SIGN OF HOW 727 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:38,130 POORLY WE'RE DEALING WITH 728 00:18:38,130 --> 00:18:40,090 MENTAL ILLNESS ON THE OUTSIDE. 729 00:18:40,090 --> 00:18:41,150 WELL, I THINK THERE HAS TO 730 00:18:41,150 --> 00:18:42,240 BE EVEN MORE UNDERSTANDING 731 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,100 THAN WE ALREADY HAVE ABOUT 732 00:18:44,100 --> 00:18:45,150 MENTAL ILLNESS. 733 00:18:48,070 --> 00:18:51,070 FOR THE LONGEST TIME IT WAS 734 00:18:51,070 --> 00:18:52,130 OFTEN DISMISSED, 735 00:18:52,130 --> 00:18:53,020 MISUNDERSTOOD, AND WE ARE 736 00:18:53,020 --> 00:18:53,190 COMING AROUND ON THAT, 737 00:18:53,190 --> 00:18:53,290 FINALLY. 738 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,200 I'M VERY ENCOURAGED, FOR ALL 739 00:18:58,200 --> 00:18:59,080 THE REASONS THAT JON 740 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:00,200 MENTIONED, ABOUT THE APPROACH 741 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:01,150 THAT THE STATE IS TAKING AND I 742 00:19:01,150 --> 00:19:02,100 THINK THAT WILL HELP THE REST 743 00:19:02,100 --> 00:19:03,060 OF THE PUBLIC UNDERSTAND. 744 00:19:03,060 --> 00:19:04,060 LOOK, MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES ARE 745 00:19:04,060 --> 00:19:05,010 VERY REAL AND THEY NEED TO BE 746 00:19:05,010 --> 00:19:06,140 DEALT WITH THE SAME WAY OTHER 747 00:19:06,140 --> 00:19:07,060 MEDICAL CONDITIONS ARE DEALT 748 00:19:07,060 --> 00:19:08,210 WITH. 749 00:19:08,210 --> 00:19:10,060 AND THE SOONER WE DO THAT, 750 00:19:10,060 --> 00:19:11,000 THEN THE FEWER PROBLEMS WE'LL 751 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:12,170 HAVE IN SOCIETY. 752 00:19:12,170 --> 00:19:14,050 IT'S ALSO, THIS IS A 753 00:19:14,050 --> 00:19:14,260 STATEMENT ON WHAT WAS BEING 754 00:19:14,260 --> 00:19:15,150 DONE PREVIOUSLY. 755 00:19:15,150 --> 00:19:16,060 RIGHT, RIGHT, AND IT'S 756 00:19:16,060 --> 00:19:18,130 GOOD. 757 00:19:18,130 --> 00:19:19,080 IT'S GOOD THAT THE ATTITUDES 758 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,150 TOWARD MENTAL HEALTH HAVE 759 00:19:21,150 --> 00:19:22,070 EVOLVED AS THEY HAVE IN RECENT 760 00:19:22,070 --> 00:19:23,080 YEARS. 761 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:24,240 AND YOU'RE RIGHT, THIS IS A 762 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,080 VERY GOOD, POSITIVE STEP 763 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,170 FORWARD AND I THINK THE ICLU 764 00:19:28,170 --> 00:19:29,070 DESERVES A LOT OF CREDIT TO 765 00:19:29,070 --> 00:19:30,160 BRING THIS TO EVERYONE'S 766 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:31,080 ATTENTION AND FORCING A CHANGE 767 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:31,260 AND I THINK IT'S FOR THE 768 00:19:31,260 --> 00:19:32,160 BETTER. 769 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:33,230 DID IT NEED -- IT TOOK THE 770 00:19:33,230 --> 00:19:35,210 ACLU TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. 771 00:19:35,210 --> 00:19:37,180 I DON'T THINK THIS IS A 772 00:19:37,180 --> 00:19:39,090 GOOD AGREEMENT, I THINK THIS 773 00:19:39,090 --> 00:19:39,290 IS A GREAT AGREEMENT AND THE 774 00:19:39,290 --> 00:19:40,200 REASON IS FOR THE VERY REASON 775 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,090 YOU JUST CITED. 776 00:19:42,090 --> 00:19:44,140 NOT ONLY DOES IT DEAL WITH THE 777 00:19:44,140 --> 00:19:45,160 SITUATION INSIDE THE 778 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:47,090 CORRECTIONS FACILITIES BUT 779 00:19:47,090 --> 00:19:48,020 ALSO HIGHLIGHTS THE GENERAL 780 00:19:48,020 --> 00:19:48,250 NEED. 781 00:19:48,250 --> 00:19:49,230 AND THE PRISONS WERE NEVER 782 00:19:49,230 --> 00:19:50,180 DESIGNED TO BE MENTAL HEALTH 783 00:19:50,180 --> 00:19:52,000 HOSPITALS. 784 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:52,200 THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY'RE 785 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,200 SUPPOSED TO BE. 786 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:55,110 AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE BECOME 787 00:19:55,110 --> 00:19:55,280 BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF 788 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:56,170 FACILITIES ON THE OUTSIDE. 789 00:19:56,170 --> 00:19:59,000 YEP. 790 00:19:59,020 --> 00:20:02,020 AND SO, YOU KNOW, THIS WILL 791 00:20:02,020 --> 00:20:03,220 ONLY HELP THE ENTIRE SITUATION 792 00:20:03,220 --> 00:20:05,130 BY SHINING A BRIGHT LIGHT ON 793 00:20:05,130 --> 00:20:06,250 IT, AND, AS I SAID, CHANGES 794 00:20:06,250 --> 00:20:07,140 ARE ALREADY BEING MADE AND 795 00:20:07,140 --> 00:20:09,240 WE'RE ALL BETTER OFF FOR THAT. 796 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,120 DEMOCRAT GLENDA RITZ IS 797 00:20:12,120 --> 00:20:13,060 RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION AS 798 00:20:13,060 --> 00:20:13,270 STATE SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENT 799 00:20:13,270 --> 00:20:14,220 AND A REPUBLICAN ANNOUNCED 800 00:20:14,220 --> 00:20:15,190 PLANS TO CHALLENGE HER THIS 801 00:20:15,190 --> 00:20:17,140 WEEK. 802 00:20:17,140 --> 00:20:18,200 JENNIFER MCCORMICK IS THE 803 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,000 SUPERINTENDENT OF SCHOOLS IN 804 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:21,010 YORKTOWN AND A FIRST-TIME 805 00:20:21,010 --> 00:20:22,090 CANDIDATE. 806 00:20:22,090 --> 00:20:23,160 SHE TOLD REPORTERS AT THE 807 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:24,270 STATEHOUSE THAT SHE HOPES TO 808 00:20:24,270 --> 00:20:26,180 TAKE THE POLITICS OUT OF 809 00:20:26,180 --> 00:20:28,100 EDUCATION. 810 00:20:28,100 --> 00:20:29,190 I HAVE EXPERIENCE IN THE 811 00:20:29,190 --> 00:20:30,130 CLASSROOM AS A SPECIAL ED 812 00:20:30,180 --> 00:20:33,180 TEACHER. 813 00:20:33,180 --> 00:20:35,070 I'VE LED BUILDINGS AND I'VE 814 00:20:35,070 --> 00:20:35,280 LED DISTRICTS. 815 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,150 I KNOW WHAT IT TAKES TO BE A 816 00:20:37,150 --> 00:20:38,170 LEADER IN EDUCATION. 817 00:20:38,170 --> 00:20:40,060 I HAVE DONE IT AND I WILL 818 00:20:40,060 --> 00:20:40,290 CONTINUE TO DO THAT. 819 00:20:40,290 --> 00:20:43,070 THAT SETS ME APART FROM OUR 820 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,240 CURRENT SUPERINTENDENT. 821 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,150 MIKE MCDANIEL, SHE WAS A 822 00:20:48,150 --> 00:20:49,090 DEMOCRAT UNTIL JUST RECENTLY. 823 00:20:49,090 --> 00:20:50,010 WHAT WILL THAT MEAN TO GOP 824 00:20:50,010 --> 00:20:51,180 CONVENTION DELEGATES? 825 00:20:51,180 --> 00:20:52,110 ONE, IT MEANS SHE'S EVOLVED 826 00:20:52,110 --> 00:20:52,270 INTO A HIGHER BEING. 827 00:20:55,180 --> 00:20:58,180 [LAUGHTER] 828 00:20:58,180 --> 00:21:00,110 I KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF A 829 00:21:00,110 --> 00:21:02,140 THEME HERE. 830 00:21:03,260 --> 00:21:06,260 I THINK IT'S GREAT. 831 00:21:06,260 --> 00:21:09,250 SHE'S CLEARLY -- SHE'S BEEN 832 00:21:09,250 --> 00:21:10,160 A TEACHER, SPECIAL ED TEACHER, 833 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:11,070 JUNIOR HIGH TEACHER, ASSISTANT 834 00:21:11,070 --> 00:21:11,210 SUPERINTENDENT, 835 00:21:11,210 --> 00:21:12,050 SUPERINTENDENT. 836 00:21:12,050 --> 00:21:12,260 SHE'S DONE ALL THE THINGS THAT 837 00:21:12,260 --> 00:21:13,150 YOU NEED TO DO TO HAVE THE 838 00:21:13,150 --> 00:21:14,100 RESUME TO MOVE FORWARD AND 839 00:21:14,100 --> 00:21:15,000 SHOW THE KIND OF LEADERSHIP 840 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:15,190 THAT WE NEED IN THE STATE. 841 00:21:15,190 --> 00:21:17,050 I THINK SHE'S GOING TO BE A 842 00:21:17,050 --> 00:21:18,220 GOOD CANDIDATE. 843 00:21:18,220 --> 00:21:21,100 NOW WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER LADY 844 00:21:21,100 --> 00:21:22,140 FROM FORT WAYNE NAMED WOOTEN 845 00:21:22,140 --> 00:21:24,070 WHO IS ALSO AN INSTRUCTOR UP 846 00:21:24,070 --> 00:21:25,130 THERE, A COLLEGE INSTRUCTOR 847 00:21:25,130 --> 00:21:27,130 AND SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A 848 00:21:27,130 --> 00:21:28,070 CONTEST FOR SUPERINTENDENT AND 849 00:21:28,070 --> 00:21:29,220 I THINK THAT'S GOOD, IT'S 850 00:21:29,290 --> 00:21:32,290 HEALTHY MOVING FORWARD. 851 00:21:32,290 --> 00:21:33,210 GLENDA RITZ IS VIEWED AS 852 00:21:33,210 --> 00:21:34,280 VULNERABLE. 853 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,010 SHE'S THE ONLY STATE-WIDE 854 00:21:36,010 --> 00:21:37,150 DEMOCRAT BUT -- EXCEPT FOR, 855 00:21:37,150 --> 00:21:38,200 OBVIOUSLY, ON STATE ELECTIONS. 856 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:39,110 BUT I THINK SHE'S GOING TO BE 857 00:21:39,110 --> 00:21:41,140 VERY STRONG. 858 00:21:43,150 --> 00:21:46,150 MIKE PENCE AND HIS ECHO 859 00:21:46,150 --> 00:21:47,080 CHAMBER AT THE STATE BOARD OF 860 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:47,290 EDUCATION HAVE DONE EVERYTHING 861 00:21:47,290 --> 00:21:48,160 THEY CAN DO TO MESS UP 862 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,010 EDUCATION IN THIS STATE. 863 00:21:51,010 --> 00:21:51,240 I MEAN, THE ISTEP IS A PERFECT 864 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:52,100 EXAMPLE. 865 00:21:52,100 --> 00:21:53,080 GLENDA RITZ HAS BEEN TALKING 866 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:54,140 FOR TWO YEARS ABOUT HOW BAD 867 00:21:54,140 --> 00:21:55,250 THAT TEST WAS AND ONLY 868 00:21:55,250 --> 00:21:56,130 RECENTLY DID THEY START 869 00:21:56,130 --> 00:21:58,190 LISTENING TO HER. 870 00:21:58,190 --> 00:22:01,060 HAVING ALL OF THEM IN THE SAME 871 00:22:01,060 --> 00:22:01,240 ECHO CHAMBER IS BAD FOR 872 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:02,200 EDUCATION. 873 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:03,260 SHE'S DOING A VERY POSITIVE 874 00:22:03,260 --> 00:22:05,050 JOB OF PROTECTING THE TEACHERS 875 00:22:05,050 --> 00:22:06,150 AND POINTING OUT THE FALLACY 876 00:22:06,150 --> 00:22:07,040 OF THEIR ARGUMENTS. 877 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:07,240 I THINK SHE'S GOING TO BE 878 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,040 REELECTED. 879 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:09,290 THIS WILL BE A REFERENDUM 880 00:22:09,290 --> 00:22:11,030 ON GLENDA RITZ. 881 00:22:11,030 --> 00:22:12,230 I THINK IT WILL. 882 00:22:12,230 --> 00:22:14,050 AND MIKE PENCE. 883 00:22:14,050 --> 00:22:16,080 WELL, IT'S GOING TO BE A 884 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,050 REFERENDUM ON EDUCATION ISSUES 885 00:22:18,050 --> 00:22:20,220 AND WHO IN INDIANA BELIEVES 886 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,280 HAS THE RIGHT WAY FORWARD. 887 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,100 GLENDA RITZ BURST ON THE SCENE 888 00:22:25,150 --> 00:22:28,150 BECAUSE SHE RAN A GREAT 889 00:22:28,150 --> 00:22:28,260 CAMPAIGN. 890 00:22:28,260 --> 00:22:30,050 WE'LL SEE IF SHE CAN NOW, AS A 891 00:22:30,050 --> 00:22:31,040 KNOWN CANDIDATE, WITH A RECORD 892 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,040 OF HER OWN, RUN A CAMPAIGN 893 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:34,250 THAT IS ABLE TO DO WHAT ANN 894 00:22:34,250 --> 00:22:36,070 SAYS AND BECOME VICTORIOUS AND 895 00:22:36,070 --> 00:22:37,070 THAT'S NOT -- IT'S A MUCH 896 00:22:37,070 --> 00:22:37,290 DIFFERENT THING AND IT'S NOT 897 00:22:39,260 --> 00:22:42,260 AN EASY TASK. 898 00:22:42,260 --> 00:22:43,090 RIGHT, 899 00:22:43,090 --> 00:22:44,020 SHE'S HIGHLY VULNERABLE AND 900 00:22:44,020 --> 00:22:44,190 AT RISK. 901 00:22:44,190 --> 00:22:45,130 SHE'S GOT A PROBLEM. 902 00:22:45,130 --> 00:22:46,280 SO DOES MIKE PENCE. 903 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,270 NOBODY KNOWS WHO SHE IS FOR 904 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,040 STARTERS, IN A POLL THAT CAME 905 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,050 OUT THIS WEEK, AND THAT'S A 906 00:22:55,050 --> 00:22:55,190 PROBLEM FOR HER. 907 00:22:55,190 --> 00:22:56,110 GLENDA RITZ'S NAME ID IS 908 00:22:56,110 --> 00:22:57,010 SURPRISINGLY LOW STATE-WIDE. 909 00:22:57,010 --> 00:22:57,200 >IS WEEK, AND THAT'S A 910 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:58,040 PROBLEM FOR HER. 911 00:22:58,040 --> 00:22:58,260 GLENDA RITZ'S NAME ID IS 912 00:22:58,260 --> 00:22:59,160 SURPRISINGLY LOW STATE-WIDE. 913 00:22:59,160 --> 00:22:59,290 RIGHT. 914 00:22:59,290 --> 00:23:00,200 MIKE PENCE'S ISN'T AND 915 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:01,110 PEOPLE HAVE FORMED A OPINION, 916 00:23:01,110 --> 00:23:01,270 WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT 917 00:23:01,270 --> 00:23:03,120 VULNERABILITY. 918 00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:05,030 IS IT POSSIBLE TO TAKE THE 919 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,200 POLITICS OUT OF EDUCATION AS 920 00:23:14,120 --> 00:23:17,120 JENNIFER MCCORMICK SAID? 921 00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:18,030 SADLY, NO, BECAUSE WHEN 922 00:23:18,030 --> 00:23:18,250 YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A SUBJECT 923 00:23:18,250 --> 00:23:19,140 AREA THAT CONSTITUTES MORE 924 00:23:19,140 --> 00:23:20,020 THAN HALF OF THE STATE'S 925 00:23:20,020 --> 00:23:20,220 BUDGET AND THERE IS NOTHING 926 00:23:20,220 --> 00:23:21,110 AUSEE FUNDAMENTAL THAN THE 927 00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:21,290 PHILOSOPHY ABOUT HOW TO 928 00:23:21,290 --> 00:23:22,200 EDUCATE THE NEXT GENERATION OF 929 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:23,010 HOOSIERS. 930 00:23:23,020 --> 00:23:26,020 I'M NOT SAYING THAT IN ANY 931 00:23:26,020 --> 00:23:27,260 CYNICAL WAY, I'S JUST IN PART 932 00:23:27,260 --> 00:23:28,150 POLITICS I DON'T THINK IS 933 00:23:28,150 --> 00:23:29,040 INHERENTLY BAD, YOU CAN'T 934 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:29,270 SEPARATE THE TWO. 935 00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:31,020 FINALLY, A NEWLY FORMED 936 00:23:31,020 --> 00:23:32,010 GROUP OF RETIRED LAWMAKERS IS 937 00:23:32,010 --> 00:23:32,220 TRYING TO ENCOURAGE MORE 938 00:23:32,220 --> 00:23:35,120 CIVILITY IN THE GENERAL 939 00:23:35,120 --> 00:23:36,000 ASSEMBLY. 940 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:36,260 IT CREATED AN AWARD THAT IS 941 00:23:36,260 --> 00:23:37,240 BELIEVED TO BE THE FIRST OF 942 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:38,140 ITS KIND IN THE COUNTRY. 943 00:23:38,250 --> 00:23:41,250 IT WAS GIVEN TO THREE 944 00:23:41,250 --> 00:23:43,050 SENATORS -- LUKE KENLEY OF 945 00:23:43,050 --> 00:23:44,130 NOBLESVILLE, VANETA BECKER OF 946 00:23:44,130 --> 00:23:45,040 EVANSVILLE, AND EARLINE ROGERS 947 00:23:45,090 --> 00:23:48,090 OF GARY. 948 00:23:48,090 --> 00:23:50,290 STATE REPRESENTATIVES TIM 949 00:23:50,290 --> 00:23:51,200 BROWN OF CRAWFORDSVILLE AND 950 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:52,170 CHARLIE BROWN OF GARY WERE 951 00:23:52,170 --> 00:23:53,170 ALSO RECOGNIZED FOR, AMONG 952 00:23:53,170 --> 00:23:55,040 OTHER THINGS, SETTING GOOD 953 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,000 EXAMPLES. 954 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:57,200 HERE'S FORMER LAWMAKER RALPH 955 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,220 FOLEY. 956 00:24:00,220 --> 00:24:03,220 SO AS TO REFLECT PT HOTIVELY 957 00:24:03,220 --> 00:24:05,050 ON AND TO GENEK IE RESPECT FOR 958 00:24:05,090 --> 00:24:08,090 THEKERNERAL ASSEMBLY. 959 00:24:08,090 --> 00:24:09,210 WITH THE ACRIMONY AND THE 960 00:24:09,210 --> 00:24:10,180 FIGHTING AND THE CIRCULAR 961 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,160 Q&ISG SQE O WAS UEAM TW 962 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:30,080 AND THAT'S FORMER LAWMAKER 963 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:30,200 DALE GRUBB. 964 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:31,110 ANN DELANEY, WILL THAT LEAD TO 965 00:24:31,110 --> 00:24:31,240 MORE CIVILITY? 966 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:32,160 I HOPE SO BECAUSE WE NEED 967 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:33,030 IT, I MEAN, THERE'S NO 968 00:24:33,030 --> 00:24:34,050 QUESTION ABOUT IT THAT WE NEED 969 00:24:34,050 --> 00:24:35,240 IT AND I GIVE THEM CREDIT FOR 970 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,010 THINKING OF THIS IDEA AND, OF 971 00:24:37,010 --> 00:24:38,080 COURSE, PUTTING DISTINGUISHED 972 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:39,160 PERSONNEL LIKE YOURSELF ON THE 973 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:40,170 COMMITTEE, JIM. 974 00:24:40,170 --> 00:24:41,140 BUT -- 975 00:24:41,140 --> 00:24:42,190 I TRIED. 976 00:24:42,190 --> 00:24:43,120 I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA, I 977 00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:45,080 REALLY DO. 978 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:46,010 IS THERE A PROBLEM WITH 979 00:24:46,010 --> 00:24:47,150 CIVILITY? 980 00:24:47,150 --> 00:24:48,200 SURE, I THINK THERE IS. 981 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,070 I THINK IT'S BECOME SO 982 00:24:55,030 --> 00:24:58,030 PARTISAN THAT IT'S 983 00:24:58,030 --> 00:24:58,260 COUNTERPRODUCTIVE IN A LOT OF 984 00:24:58,260 --> 00:24:59,160 WAYS AND WE'RE GOING TO LOSE 985 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:00,090 GOOD PEOPLE TO RETIREMENT THIS 986 00:25:00,090 --> 00:25:00,270 TIME AROUND LIKE EARLINE 987 00:25:00,270 --> 00:25:01,180 ROGERS WHO JUST WON THAT AWARD 988 00:25:01,180 --> 00:25:02,090 AND WE'RE GOING TO MISS HAVING 989 00:25:02,090 --> 00:25:02,290 THAT KIND OF CIVILITY IN THE 990 00:25:03,140 --> 00:25:06,140 PROCESS. 991 00:25:06,140 --> 00:25:07,290 SO THE ATTITUDES AND THE 992 00:25:07,290 --> 00:25:09,220 ATMOSPHERE THAT WE HAVE NOW 993 00:25:09,220 --> 00:25:11,110 HAS GOT TO CHANGE FOR THE 994 00:25:11,110 --> 00:25:12,060 BETTER, AND IT'S HARD TO DO 995 00:25:12,060 --> 00:25:12,270 WHEN YOU'RE LOSING PEOPLE LIKE 996 00:25:12,270 --> 00:25:14,180 HER. 997 00:25:14,180 --> 00:25:17,080 POSITIVE REINFORCEMENT. 998 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,150 OH, ABSOLUTELY. 999 00:25:19,150 --> 00:25:20,090 AND THIS ISN'T JUST AN INDIANA 1000 00:25:20,090 --> 00:25:20,190 PROBLEM. 1001 00:25:20,190 --> 00:25:22,250 IT'S NOTHING -- 1002 00:25:22,250 --> 00:25:25,220 THEY GOT IN A FIST FIGHT. 1003 00:25:25,220 --> 00:25:26,130 AND EVEN AT THE FEDERAL 1004 00:25:26,130 --> 00:25:27,030 LEVEL, THE STORIES ABOUT HOW 1005 00:25:27,030 --> 00:25:27,230 TIP O'NEIL, LEADING DEMOCRAT 1006 00:25:27,230 --> 00:25:29,210 IN THE HOUSE 1007 00:25:29,210 --> 00:25:32,100 AND PRESIDENT REAGAN USED TO 1008 00:25:32,100 --> 00:25:33,090 ARGUE, YOU KNOW, VIGOROUSLY 1009 00:25:33,090 --> 00:25:36,000 DURING THE DAY BUT THEN GET 1010 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,120 TOGETHER, RETIRE TO THE 1011 00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:37,240 CONFINES -- 1012 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,180 GOT TO GO, IT'S NOT LIKE 1013 00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:52,190 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