1 00:00:02,001 --> 00:00:05,001 >> Jim Shella: MIKE PENCE MAKES 2 00:00:05,001 --> 00:00:06,002 HIS CHOICE TO 3 00:00:06,002 --> 00:00:07,007 LEAD THE DEPARTMENT OF CHILD 4 00:00:07,007 --> 00:00:08,017 SERVICES. 5 00:00:08,017 --> 00:00:10,018 IS IT A GOOD ONE? 6 00:00:10,018 --> 00:00:11,013 IS THE GOVERNOR'S ON TRACK WITH 7 00:00:11,013 --> 00:00:12,011 HIS INTERPRETATION OF THE DANI 8 00:00:12,011 --> 00:00:13,006 THE DEER CASE? 9 00:00:13,006 --> 00:00:14,023 THE FIRST OFFICIAL MEETING 10 00:00:14,023 --> 00:00:16,023 BETWEEN PENCE AND GLENDA RITZ, A 11 00:00:16,023 --> 00:00:18,001 MASS TRANSIT BILL ADVANCES, AND 12 00:00:18,001 --> 00:00:19,000 THE GAY MARRIAGE DEBATE IS ON 13 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:20,022 HOLD. 14 00:00:20,022 --> 00:00:22,009 THAT PLUS THE INDY 500 WINNER 15 00:00:22,009 --> 00:00:23,021 HITS A MARITAL WALL AND MORE ON 16 00:00:23,021 --> 00:00:25,013 INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW FOR THE 17 00:01:33,022 --> 00:01:35,002 THIS WEEK.. GOVERNOR MIKE PENCE 18 00:01:35,002 --> 00:01:36,012 APPOINTED A NEW DIRECTOR OF THE 19 00:01:36,012 --> 00:01:38,009 DEPARTMENT OF CHILD SERVICES. 20 00:01:38,009 --> 00:01:39,018 THE SELECTION OF LAKE COUNTY 21 00:01:39,018 --> 00:01:40,024 JUVENILE JUDGE MARY BETH 22 00:01:40,024 --> 00:01:41,021 BONAVENTURA IS A SOURCE OF PRIDE 23 00:01:41,021 --> 00:01:43,008 FOR PENCE. 24 00:01:43,008 --> 00:01:44,021 HE SAID IT'S AN 25 00:01:44,021 --> 00:01:46,000 ANNOUNCEMENT OF --QUOTE-- 26 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:47,011 ENORMOUS IMPORTANCE AS 27 00:01:47,011 --> 00:01:49,010 BONVENTURA TAKES OVER THE AGENCY 28 00:01:49,010 --> 00:01:50,017 THAT HAS FACED A SCANDAL 29 00:01:50,017 --> 00:01:51,024 SURROUNDING FORMER DIRECTOR 30 00:01:51,024 --> 00:01:53,010 JAMES PAYNE AND CRITICISM OVER A 31 00:01:53,010 --> 00:01:54,019 NUMBER OF CHILD DEATHS. 32 00:01:54,019 --> 00:01:55,027 JUDGE BONVENTURA HAS A HIGH 33 00:01:55,027 --> 00:01:57,011 PROFILE AFTER 31 YEARS ON THE 34 00:01:57,011 --> 00:01:59,023 BENCH THAT INCLUDED APPEARANCES 35 00:01:59,023 --> 00:02:01,022 IN A GROUNDBREAKING DOCUMENTARY 36 00:02:01,022 --> 00:02:03,002 SERIES ON JUVENILE JUSTICE IN 37 00:02:03,002 --> 00:02:04,011 LAKE COUNTY THAT AIRED ON A 38 00:02:09,019 --> 00:02:10,021 (I TRULY BELIEVE THAT 39 00:02:10,021 --> 00:02:12,011 MARY BETH BONAVENTURA IS 40 00:02:12,025 --> 00:02:15,025 UNIQUELY QUALIFIED TO LEAD THE 41 00:02:15,025 --> 00:02:17,007 DEPARTMENT OF CHILD SERVICES IN 42 00:02:17,007 --> 00:02:19,022 THE STATE OF INDIANA.) 43 00:02:19,022 --> 00:02:20,014 (THE 44 00:02:20,014 --> 00:02:22,014 EXPERIENCE THAT I HAVE GAINED 45 00:02:22,014 --> 00:02:25,014 SERVING THE PEOPLE IN LAKE 46 00:02:25,014 --> 00:02:28,010 COUNTY HAS JUST SET ME UP TO 47 00:02:28,010 --> 00:02:31,003 COME HERE AND TRY TO HELP THE 48 00:02:31,003 --> 00:02:33,007 PEOPLE STATEWIDE IN THE WAY, IN 49 00:02:33,007 --> 00:02:35,003 THE METHODS AND SKILLS THAT I'VE 50 00:02:35,003 --> 00:02:36,013 ATTAINED SERVING AS JUDGE IN 51 00:02:40,018 --> 00:02:41,027 WILL JUDGE BONAVENTURA RIGHT THE 52 00:02:41,027 --> 00:02:43,008 SHIP AT DSC? 53 00:02:43,008 --> 00:02:45,023 IT'S THE FIRST QUESTION FOR OUR 54 00:02:45,023 --> 00:02:47,003 INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW PANEL 55 00:02:47,003 --> 00:02:48,012 DEMOCRAT ANN DELANEY REPUBBICAN 56 00:02:48,012 --> 00:02:50,000 MIKE MCDANIEL JON SCHWANTES, THE 57 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:51,018 HOST OF INDIANA LAWMAKERS AND 58 00:02:51,018 --> 00:02:53,020 JOHN KETZENBERGER, PRESIDENT OF 59 00:02:53,020 --> 00:02:54,025 THE INDIANA FISCAL POLICY 60 00:02:54,025 --> 00:02:56,004 INSTITUTE I'M WISH-TV STATEHOUSE 61 00:02:56,004 --> 00:02:57,013 REPORTER JIM SHELLA ANN DELANEY, 62 00:03:01,003 --> 00:03:03,001 . 63 00:03:03,006 --> 00:03:06,006 >> I THINK IT IS A GOOD CHOICE, 64 00:03:06,006 --> 00:03:08,007 EVAN BAYH APPOINTED TO 65 00:03:08,018 --> 00:03:11,018 THE BENCH YEARS AGO, AND THE 66 00:03:11,018 --> 00:03:14,007 REVIEWS OF HER PERFORMANCE 67 00:03:14,007 --> 00:03:15,014 VERY POSITIVE, I'M HOPING THE 68 00:03:15,014 --> 00:03:16,029 SHE HAS THE 69 00:03:16,029 --> 00:03:17,025 ADMINISTRATIVE SKILLS AS WELL. 70 00:03:17,025 --> 00:03:18,028 THE DEPARTMENT IS A 71 00:03:20,009 --> 00:03:23,009 MESS, IT HAS BEEN FOR YEARS, THE 72 00:03:23,009 --> 00:03:25,025 WHOLE ATTITUDE ISN'T 73 00:03:25,025 --> 00:03:26,020 GEARED TO PROTECTING CHILDREN 74 00:03:26,020 --> 00:03:29,017 FIRST, THAT IS HER 75 00:03:29,017 --> 00:03:31,000 REPUTATION, AND IF SHE CAN GET 76 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:32,001 THAT BUREAUCRACY IN 77 00:03:32,001 --> 00:03:33,012 LINE, I THINK IT WILL BE AN 78 00:03:33,012 --> 00:03:34,009 GREAT APPOINTMENT. 79 00:03:34,009 --> 00:03:37,003 >> WHILE YOU SAY IT WAS A MESS, 80 00:03:37,006 --> 00:03:40,006 JOHN RYAN WAS THE CHIEF 81 00:03:40,029 --> 00:03:43,029 OF STAFF UNDER JIM PAYNE AND 82 00:03:43,029 --> 00:03:46,020 TOOK OVER WHEN MANY 83 00:03:46,020 --> 00:03:47,023 DEPARTED, AND JUDGE BONVENTURA 84 00:03:48,012 --> 00:03:51,012 SAID SHE COULDN'T DO 85 00:03:51,012 --> 00:03:53,015 THIS WITHOUT RYAN. 86 00:03:53,015 --> 00:03:56,012 >> BECAUSE SHE'S A QUALITY GUY, 87 00:03:56,012 --> 00:03:58,025 THIS IS A FREIGHT 88 00:03:58,025 --> 00:04:00,021 CHOICE BY THE GOVERNOR. BEING 89 00:04:00,021 --> 00:04:02,006 WELL RECEIVED BY 90 00:04:02,006 --> 00:04:03,024 REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS ALIKE, 91 00:04:03,024 --> 00:04:05,010 THE TIMES OF NORTHWEST 92 00:04:05,010 --> 00:04:07,017 INDIANA EDITORIAL LIDS IT IS 93 00:04:07,026 --> 00:04:10,026 LAKE'S COUNTY LOSS AND THE 94 00:04:10,026 --> 00:04:13,026 STATE'S GAIN, SO IT'S A VERY 95 00:04:13,026 --> 00:04:15,008 POPULAR CHOICE, ANN IS 96 00:04:15,008 --> 00:04:17,022 RIGHT, THIS IS A HUGE 97 00:04:17,022 --> 00:04:19,018 DEPARTMENT, AND SHE SEEMS TO GET 98 00:04:19,018 --> 00:04:21,013 IT, AT LEAST IN HER INITIAL 99 00:04:21,013 --> 00:04:22,024 COMMENTS BUT WHAT THIS 100 00:04:22,024 --> 00:04:24,028 TAKES AND HOW HARD THIS JOB IS 101 00:04:24,028 --> 00:04:26,023 FOR PEOPLE TO MAKE THE 102 00:04:26,023 --> 00:04:28,016 KIND OF DECISIONS IN VERY TOUGH 103 00:04:28,016 --> 00:04:29,025 SITUATIONS, I THINK SHE 104 00:04:29,025 --> 00:04:31,010 WILL BE A GREAT ONE. 105 00:04:31,010 --> 00:04:33,023 >> DOESN'T HURT FOR MIKE PENCE 106 00:04:33,023 --> 00:04:34,027 TO DO SOME LAKE COUNTY 107 00:04:34,027 --> 00:04:36,007 OUTREACH. 108 00:04:36,007 --> 00:04:38,015 >> I'M SURE THAT DOESN'T HURT. 109 00:04:38,015 --> 00:04:39,026 AS MIKE SEGMENTED, 110 00:04:39,026 --> 00:04:41,023 THERE WERE LOTS OF VERY 111 00:04:41,023 --> 00:04:43,022 COMPLIMENTARY THINGS SAID BY 112 00:04:43,022 --> 00:04:44,022 LAKE COUNTY DEMOCRATS AND OTHERS 113 00:04:44,022 --> 00:04:45,026 WHO HAVE WORKED WITH 114 00:04:45,026 --> 00:04:48,020 HER OVER THE YEARS AND FOUND HER 115 00:04:48,020 --> 00:04:50,003 TO BE A QUALITY 116 00:04:50,003 --> 00:04:51,018 INDIVIDUAL ON THE BENCH AND HER 117 00:04:51,018 --> 00:04:52,021 WORK IN THE COMMUNITY, 118 00:04:52,021 --> 00:04:54,004 I THINK IT SCORES ON ALL OF 119 00:04:54,004 --> 00:04:55,027 THOSE APPOINTMENTS. I 120 00:04:55,027 --> 00:04:58,004 DON'T KNOW HER PERSONALLY, BUT 121 00:04:58,004 --> 00:04:59,020 JUDGING FROM WHAT 122 00:04:59,020 --> 00:05:00,017 EVERYBODY HAS SAID, MEDIUM FROM 123 00:05:00,017 --> 00:05:02,022 BOTH SIDES OF THE 124 00:05:02,022 --> 00:05:04,004 AISLE, IT'S A GOOD PEOPLE, WHO 125 00:05:04,004 --> 00:05:05,013 THERE HAVE BEEN STRAINED 126 00:05:05,013 --> 00:05:07,001 RELATIONSHIPS AT TIMES BETWEEN 127 00:05:08,008 --> 00:05:11,008 THE AGENCY AND JUDGES 128 00:05:11,008 --> 00:05:12,019 AROUND THE STATE. AND ONE WOULD 129 00:05:12,019 --> 00:05:13,024 PRESUME TO HAVE 130 00:05:13,024 --> 00:05:15,024 SOMEBODY WHO HAS HER BACKGROUND 131 00:05:15,024 --> 00:05:16,026 AND CREDENTIALS, SHE'S 132 00:05:16,026 --> 00:05:19,006 A MEMBER OF THE CLUB, IF YOU 133 00:05:19,006 --> 00:05:20,009 WILL, WHO BETTER, MAYBE, 134 00:05:20,009 --> 00:05:22,004 TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE 135 00:05:22,004 --> 00:05:24,005 TENSIONS AND BUILD A NEW SORT 136 00:05:24,005 --> 00:05:25,020 OF COLLABORATIVE SPIRIT WITH 137 00:05:25,020 --> 00:05:28,004 JUDGES ACROSS THE STATE. 138 00:05:28,004 --> 00:05:30,007 >> I MENTIONED THIS DOCUMENTARY 139 00:05:30,007 --> 00:05:31,019 THAT SHE APPEARED IN, 140 00:05:33,023 --> 00:05:36,023 WE'RE NOT USED TO CAMERAS IN 141 00:05:38,008 --> 00:05:41,008 INDIANA COURTROOMS, MUCH 142 00:05:41,008 --> 00:05:42,021 LESS JUVENILE, SO. AND SHE MADE 143 00:05:42,021 --> 00:05:44,020 A STRONG APERSONS ON 144 00:05:44,020 --> 00:05:46,010 TELEVISION, DO YOU EXPECT SHE 145 00:05:46,010 --> 00:05:47,021 WILL HAVE A HIGHER 146 00:05:47,021 --> 00:05:48,016 PROFILE? 147 00:05:48,027 --> 00:05:51,027 >> I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA, I 148 00:05:51,027 --> 00:05:52,029 THINK IT'S GOOD FOR 149 00:05:52,029 --> 00:05:54,023 SUN TO BE OUT THERE ADVOCATING 150 00:05:54,023 --> 00:05:55,023 ON BEHALF OF THE 151 00:05:55,023 --> 00:05:58,003 CHILDREN WHO NEED IT IN THE 152 00:05:58,003 --> 00:06:01,001 STATE, AND I WOULD NOTE 153 00:06:01,001 --> 00:06:03,026 JUDGE PAYNE CAME FROM THE RANKS 154 00:06:03,026 --> 00:06:06,001 OF JUVENILE JOURNAL, 155 00:06:06,001 --> 00:06:07,006 HOPEFULLY SHE WILL TAKE 156 00:06:07,006 --> 00:06:09,005 LEADERSHIP, SHE DID A FIRM 157 00:06:09,005 --> 00:06:11,017 POLICY AND THEN SHE CAN GET 158 00:06:11,017 --> 00:06:13,011 EMPTION TO BUY INTO THIS, 159 00:06:13,011 --> 00:06:14,027 BECAUSE THE CRITICAL PIECE, SHE 160 00:06:14,027 --> 00:06:16,001 TALKED ABOUT THE PEOPLE 161 00:06:17,010 --> 00:06:20,010 WHO HAVE TO GO INTO HOMES, 162 00:06:20,010 --> 00:06:23,008 CASEWORKERS WHO HAVE TO MAKE 163 00:06:23,008 --> 00:06:24,002 QUICK ADJUSTMENTS, VERY 164 00:06:24,002 --> 00:06:25,024 STRESSFUL, DIFFICULT JOBS, 165 00:06:25,024 --> 00:06:27,025 THEY'RE THE KEY COMPONENT HERE, 166 00:06:29,017 --> 00:06:32,017 AND I HOPE SHE CAN LEAD 167 00:06:32,017 --> 00:06:34,001 THEM FORWARD WITH GOOD POLICY 168 00:06:34,001 --> 00:06:35,005 BACKED UP BY 169 00:06:35,005 --> 00:06:36,002 ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT AND TAKE 170 00:06:36,002 --> 00:06:37,018 CARE OF THE PROBLEM OF 171 00:06:37,018 --> 00:06:39,012 CHILDREN HURT AND EVEN KILLED IN 172 00:06:39,012 --> 00:06:39,029 SITUATIONS THAT CAN BE 173 00:06:39,029 --> 00:06:40,029 BE 174 00:06:40,029 --> 00:06:42,005 AVOIDED IF POSSIBLE. 175 00:06:42,005 --> 00:06:44,009 >> IF SHE SETS THE TONE, THAT'S 176 00:06:44,009 --> 00:06:45,022 WHAT IT'S GOING TO 177 00:06:45,022 --> 00:06:46,022 TAKE, BECAUSE THOSE ARE 178 00:06:46,022 --> 00:06:48,024 DIFFICULT JOBS, AND THE TONE IN 179 00:06:48,024 --> 00:06:50,027 RECENT YEARS, AND WHEN TALKING 180 00:06:51,006 --> 00:06:54,006 ABOUT HIGH PROFILE, HARD 181 00:06:54,022 --> 00:06:57,022 TO TALK ABOUT A DCS HEAD HIGHER 182 00:06:57,022 --> 00:06:59,024 PROFILE THAN JAMES 183 00:06:59,024 --> 00:07:01,001 PAYNE, BUT NEVERTHELESS, IF YOU 184 00:07:01,001 --> 00:07:03,005 SET A PROFILE SAYING 185 00:07:03,005 --> 00:07:05,016 THE FIRST SHE COULD AND THIRD 186 00:07:05,020 --> 00:07:08,020 OBJECTIVE OF THE AGENCY 187 00:07:08,020 --> 00:07:10,009 IS TO PROTECT CHILDREN, NOT 188 00:07:10,020 --> 00:07:13,020 REUNITE FAMILIES, THAT'S 189 00:07:13,020 --> 00:07:15,019 NOT THE ATTITUDE DCS NEEDS, THAT 190 00:07:15,019 --> 00:07:17,023 HAS BEEN THE ATTITUDE. 191 00:07:17,023 --> 00:07:19,015 ADMINISTRATION, SO IF SHE SETS A 192 00:07:19,015 --> 00:07:20,016 DIFFERENT TONE, I 193 00:07:20,016 --> 00:07:21,011 THINK WE CAN SEE DIFFERENT 194 00:07:21,011 --> 00:07:22,029 RESULTS. 195 00:07:22,029 --> 00:07:24,019 >> I THINK EVERYBODY WISHES HER 196 00:07:24,019 --> 00:07:26,010 WELL, BUT THE CHALLENGE 197 00:07:26,010 --> 00:07:27,024 FOR HER, THERE'S SO MANY 198 00:07:27,024 --> 00:07:29,000 ATTENTION ON THE AGENCY 199 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:30,002 BECAUSE WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN 200 00:07:30,002 --> 00:07:32,028 RECENT YEARS IN SOME OF THE 201 00:07:32,028 --> 00:07:34,014 HIGH PROFILE LAPSES, IF YOU WANT 202 00:07:35,009 --> 00:07:38,009 TO SAY OR SITUATIONS 203 00:07:38,009 --> 00:07:40,000 WHERE CHILDREN EITHER WERE 204 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:40,022 HARMED OR DIED. 205 00:07:40,022 --> 00:07:41,022 >> AND PROBLEMS WITH THE CALL 206 00:07:41,022 --> 00:07:43,001 CENTER. 207 00:07:43,024 --> 00:07:46,024 >> AND THE CHALLENGE FOR HER 208 00:07:46,024 --> 00:07:49,006 SEEMS THIS, ANYBODY IN 209 00:07:49,006 --> 00:07:50,020 THAT POSITION. THE SCOREBOARD 210 00:07:50,020 --> 00:07:51,026 NEVER LIGHTS UP IF YOU 211 00:07:51,026 --> 00:07:54,008 SUCCEED, BECAUSE IF YOU SUCCEED 212 00:07:55,013 --> 00:07:58,013 AND SAVE A CHILD FROM A 213 00:07:58,013 --> 00:08:00,014 BAD SITUATION, IT NEVER -- YOU 214 00:08:00,014 --> 00:08:01,025 JUST DON'T KNOW, IT 215 00:08:01,025 --> 00:08:03,022 HAPPENS IN PRIVATE, THE ONLY 216 00:08:03,022 --> 00:08:05,021 TIME THE SCORE BOTHERED 217 00:08:05,021 --> 00:08:07,004 SHOWS UP, IT'S A NEGATIVE WAY 218 00:08:07,004 --> 00:08:09,022 WHEN SOMETHING FALLS 219 00:08:09,022 --> 00:08:11,020 THROUGH THE CRACKS, SOMEBODY 220 00:08:11,020 --> 00:08:13,025 HARMED OR WHO SHOULD HAVE 221 00:08:13,025 --> 00:08:15,016 BEFORE SHIELDED BY THE STATE AND 222 00:08:15,016 --> 00:08:18,007 ISN'T, SHE GOES INTO 223 00:08:18,007 --> 00:08:19,004 IT WITH THE TOUCH CHALLENGE? 224 00:08:19,004 --> 00:08:21,007 HOW DO YOU PROVE YOU ARE 225 00:08:21,007 --> 00:08:23,006 DOING THE JOB WHICH EANS THE 226 00:08:23,006 --> 00:08:24,007 ABSENCE OF BED NEWS? 227 00:08:24,028 --> 00:08:28,000 >> WELL, YOU CAN START BY HAVING 228 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:29,020 NO CHILD WHO HAS BEEN 229 00:08:29,020 --> 00:08:32,008 UNDER THE GUIDANCE OF THE DCS 230 00:08:32,008 --> 00:08:33,011 AND ON THE SCREEN REUNION 231 00:08:33,011 --> 00:08:35,024 NIGHT WITH A FAMILY THAT 232 00:08:37,007 --> 00:08:40,007 ULTIMATELY ENDS UP KILLING 233 00:08:40,007 --> 00:08:41,018 THAT CHILD IT'S JUST LIKE NO 234 00:08:41,018 --> 00:08:42,013 PRESS IS GOOD PRESS. 235 00:08:43,023 --> 00:08:46,001 >> GOVERNOR PENCE REQUESTED A 236 00:08:46,001 --> 00:08:46,023 BRIEFING FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF 237 00:08:46,023 --> 00:08:47,013 NATURAL RESOURCES THIS WEEK 238 00:08:47,013 --> 00:08:48,008 REGARDING THE PROSECUTION OF A 239 00:08:48,008 --> 00:08:49,006 CONNERSVILLE COUPLE. 240 00:08:49,006 --> 00:08:50,007 JEFF COUNCELLOR AND 241 00:08:50,007 --> 00:08:51,009 HIS WIFE JENNIFER NURSED AN 242 00:08:51,009 --> 00:08:53,021 INJURED DEER NAMED "DANI" BACK 243 00:08:53,021 --> 00:08:54,018 TO HEALTH. 244 00:08:54,018 --> 00:08:55,013 BUT, INDIANA LAW PROHIBITS THE 245 00:08:55,013 --> 00:08:57,003 POSSESSION OF WILD ANIMALS. 246 00:08:57,003 --> 00:08:58,003 AND, THE COUPLE NOW FACES 247 00:08:58,003 --> 00:08:58,029 CHARGES. 248 00:08:58,029 --> 00:08:59,024 THEIR PLIGHT HAS SPARKED OUTRAGE 249 00:08:59,024 --> 00:09:01,004 AROUND THE COUNTRY BUT THE 250 00:09:01,004 --> 00:09:01,027 GOVERNOR SAYS DNR ACTED 251 00:09:05,002 --> 00:09:06,012 >> ALL ADMIRE COMPASSION FOR AN 252 00:09:06,012 --> 00:09:07,007 INJURED ANIMAL 253 00:09:07,007 --> 00:09:08,017 BUT THIS IS A STATE OF 254 00:09:08,017 --> 00:09:10,026 LAWS. 255 00:09:10,026 --> 00:09:12,005 AND, AS GOVERNOR OF INDIANA, MY 256 00:09:12,005 --> 00:09:14,021 FOCUS IS GOING TO BE TO ENSURE 257 00:09:15,027 --> 00:09:18,027 THAT OUR LAWS ARE FAIRLY AND 258 00:09:26,021 --> 00:09:28,023 THAT WAS THE GOVERN ON 259 00:09:28,023 --> 00:09:30,021 WEDNESDAY, HE HAS SINCE 260 00:09:31,019 --> 00:09:34,019 APPARENTLY CHANGED HIS POSITION, 261 00:09:34,019 --> 00:09:35,026 THERE'S A DNR RELEASE 262 00:09:35,026 --> 00:09:37,029 AND SAID AT THE GOVERNOR'S 263 00:09:37,029 --> 00:09:39,004 REQUEST, THEY'RE NOT GOING 264 00:09:39,004 --> 00:09:40,017 TO CARRY OUT PROSECUTION OF THIS 265 00:09:40,017 --> 00:09:42,005 COUPLE. 266 00:09:42,013 --> 00:09:45,013 >> I DON'T THINK THE GOVERNOR 267 00:09:45,013 --> 00:09:46,019 MISREAD IT, WHEN A DNR 268 00:09:46,019 --> 00:09:48,019 PERSON FOLLOWS THE LETTER OF THE 269 00:09:48,019 --> 00:09:51,001 LAW AND DIDN'T USE 270 00:09:51,001 --> 00:09:53,012 COMMON SENSE, IN MY OPINION, HE 271 00:09:53,012 --> 00:09:55,004 FOLD THE LAW, NO 272 00:09:55,004 --> 00:09:57,012 QUESTION ABOUT THAT, BUT THE 273 00:09:58,022 --> 00:10:01,022 GOVERNOR DID ASK THEM TO 274 00:10:01,022 --> 00:10:04,010 REEVALUATE, AND THE DNR ASKING 275 00:10:04,010 --> 00:10:06,020 TO BE DISMISSED, TO 276 00:10:06,020 --> 00:10:09,012 BAMBI GAIT, WILL SOON BE BEHIND 277 00:10:09,012 --> 00:10:10,020 US, AND I ALWAYS GET A 278 00:10:10,020 --> 00:10:12,028 KICK OUT OF THE VERY PEOPLE WHO 279 00:10:12,028 --> 00:10:14,024 COMPLAINS ABOUT THESE 280 00:10:14,024 --> 00:10:16,002 KINDS OF SITUATIONS, TAKING AWAY 281 00:10:16,011 --> 00:10:19,011 FROM THE DEBATES ON 282 00:10:19,011 --> 00:10:21,028 THINGS LIKE JOBS ARE THE SAME 283 00:10:21,028 --> 00:10:23,006 ONES THAT FANNED THIS 284 00:10:23,006 --> 00:10:25,005 FLAME ALL WEEK. 285 00:10:25,005 --> 00:10:27,006 >> MY TAKE WAS THIS WASN'T THE 286 00:10:27,006 --> 00:10:29,002 BIGGEST ISSUE BUT 287 00:10:29,002 --> 00:10:30,029 SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY 288 00:10:30,029 --> 00:10:32,023 UNDERSTANDS EXCEPT IT 289 00:10:32,023 --> 00:10:34,002 APPEARED -- IT APPEARED 290 00:10:34,002 --> 00:10:34,024 INITIALLY THAT THE GOVERNOR 291 00:10:34,024 --> 00:10:37,003 DIDN'T UNDERSTAND. 292 00:10:37,003 --> 00:10:39,004 >> I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT 293 00:10:39,004 --> 00:10:40,023 HAPPENED, AND THEN WHEN 294 00:10:40,023 --> 00:10:42,028 THE OUT RAGE CAME, AND I DON'T 295 00:10:42,028 --> 00:10:44,011 THINK IT WAS FANNED OR 296 00:10:44,011 --> 00:10:46,009 FLAMED BY POLITICIANS ON EAST 297 00:10:46,009 --> 00:10:47,009 SIDE, I THINK PEOPLE WHO 298 00:10:47,021 --> 00:10:50,021 READ ABOUT THIS SAID WHAT ARE 299 00:10:50,021 --> 00:10:52,005 THEY THINKING? IN ANY 300 00:10:52,005 --> 00:10:54,006 CASE, PEOPLE BREAK THE LAW ALL 301 00:10:55,009 --> 00:10:58,009 THE TIME, OKAY? AND 302 00:10:58,015 --> 00:11:01,015 THAT'S WHAT PRODUCE MATERIAL 303 00:11:01,015 --> 00:11:03,000 DISCRETION IS ALL ABOUT, 304 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,008 YOU GO AFTER THOSE THAT DESERVE 305 00:11:05,008 --> 00:11:06,013 PROSECUTION, THIS WAS A 306 00:11:06,013 --> 00:11:08,020 CLASSIC CASE, AND THEY SHOULD 307 00:11:08,020 --> 00:11:09,008 HAVE SENSED IT FROM THE 308 00:11:10,023 --> 00:11:13,023 BEGINNING. 309 00:11:14,018 --> 00:11:17,018 >> BUT IT ENDS UP -- I THINK 310 00:11:17,018 --> 00:11:20,004 SHAWN EBER HEART THE 311 00:11:20,004 --> 00:11:21,004 COMMITTEE THAT OVERSEES THE DNR 312 00:11:21,004 --> 00:11:23,024 HAD IT RIGHT WHEN HE 313 00:11:23,024 --> 00:11:25,025 ESSENTIALLY MADE THE SAME 314 00:11:25,025 --> 00:11:27,027 ARGUMENT ANN DID, LET'S APPLY 315 00:11:27,027 --> 00:11:29,003 A LITTLE COMMON SENSE HERE. 316 00:11:29,003 --> 00:11:31,018 APPARENTLY THE PEOPLE WHO 317 00:11:31,018 --> 00:11:33,012 NURSED THIS DEAR BACK TO LIFE A 318 00:11:33,023 --> 00:11:36,023 COUPLE OF YEARS AGO 319 00:11:37,027 --> 00:11:40,027 THINK THEY SAW IT ACROSS A FIELD 320 00:11:40,027 --> 00:11:43,009 YESTERDAY, SO RIGHT, 321 00:11:43,009 --> 00:11:46,007 IT'S A HAPPY ENDING, BUT I WAS 322 00:11:46,007 --> 00:11:46,026 SICK AND TIRED OF THAT 323 00:11:46,026 --> 00:11:49,022 SHORE BY THE END OF THE WEEK. 324 00:11:50,002 --> 00:11:53,002 >> BUT SERIOUSLY, WAS THIS ABOUT 325 00:11:53,002 --> 00:11:55,010 THE DEAR OR ABOUT THE 326 00:11:55,010 --> 00:11:57,007 GOVERNOR'S HANDLING? 327 00:11:57,007 --> 00:11:59,002 >> I THINK WE COLLECTIVELY MADE 328 00:11:59,002 --> 00:12:00,015 IT MORE COMPLICATE THAN 329 00:12:00,015 --> 00:12:02,005 IT NEEDED TO BE WHEN WE STARTED% 330 00:12:02,005 --> 00:12:04,010 TALKING ABOUT THE ROLE 331 00:12:04,014 --> 00:12:07,014 OF GOVERNMENT IS IS MIKE PENCE 332 00:12:07,014 --> 00:12:09,000 AS A CHAMPION OF SMALL 333 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:10,011 GOVERNMENT AND NOT LOOK OVER 334 00:12:10,011 --> 00:12:12,000 YOUR SHOULDER ALL THE 335 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,000 TIME -- THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS 336 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,027 ABOUT, IT'S ABOUT A 337 00:12:17,027 --> 00:12:19,011 CUTE LILLY DEAR NAMED DANI, 338 00:12:19,011 --> 00:12:21,004 THAT'S ALL YOU NEED TO 339 00:12:21,004 --> 00:12:22,025 KNOW, YOU SEE THE PICTURE, DONE. 340 00:12:22,025 --> 00:12:25,026 AND THE REASON -- 341 00:12:25,026 --> 00:12:28,009 LET'S SAY THIS IS, EVERGLADES, 342 00:12:28,009 --> 00:12:30,018 FLORIDA DEALING WITH ITS 343 00:12:31,011 --> 00:12:34,011 INVASIVE PIE NONES, IF THIS 344 00:12:35,001 --> 00:12:38,001 COUPLE HAD SOMEHOW RESCUED 345 00:12:38,001 --> 00:12:40,018 AN INJURIED PIE NONE, I DON'T 346 00:12:40,018 --> 00:12:42,007 THINK THERE WOULD BE THIS 347 00:12:42,007 --> 00:12:43,001 GROUNDSWELL OF SUPPORT. 348 00:12:44,010 --> 00:12:45,019 TIME NOW FOR VIEWER FEEDBACK. 349 00:12:45,019 --> 00:12:46,005 EACH WEEK WE POSE AN 350 00:12:46,005 --> 00:12:46,028 UNSCIENTIFIC, ONLINE POLL 351 00:12:46,028 --> 00:12:47,021 QUESTION IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR 352 00:12:47,021 --> 00:12:48,010 ICEMILLER E-MAIL AND TEXT 353 00:13:18,006 --> 00:13:19,015 GOVERNOR PENCE AND STATE SCHOOL 354 00:13:19,015 --> 00:13:20,020 SUPERINTENDENT GLENDA RITZ MET 355 00:13:20,020 --> 00:13:22,003 THIS WEEK FOR THE FIRST TIME 356 00:13:22,003 --> 00:13:23,012 SINCE TAKING OFFICE. 357 00:13:23,012 --> 00:13:25,002 IT'S A MEETING 358 00:13:25,002 --> 00:13:26,000 THAT TOOK PLACE IN RITZ'S 359 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:26,027 STATEHOUSE OFFICE AND AT HER 360 00:13:26,027 --> 00:13:28,010 INVITATION. 361 00:13:28,010 --> 00:13:30,005 THE TWO FOUND COMMON GROUND 362 00:13:30,005 --> 00:13:31,012 REGARDING VOCATIONAL EDUCATION 363 00:13:31,012 --> 00:13:32,025 AND RITZ SAID SHE PASSED UP THE 364 00:13:32,025 --> 00:13:34,002 OPPORTUNITY TO BRING UP THE 365 00:13:34,002 --> 00:13:35,010 PENCE BUDGET WHICH INCREASES 366 00:13:35,010 --> 00:13:36,023 SCHOOL SPENDING BY JUST 367 00:13:36,023 --> 00:13:38,019 1-PERCENT.. (SOT) ((GLENDA 368 00:13:38,019 --> 00:13:39,018 RITZ/(D) STATE SCHOOL 369 00:13:39,018 --> 00:13:40,019 SUPERINTENDENT: NO, WE DIDN'T 370 00:13:40,019 --> 00:13:41,012 TALK ABOUT BUDGET AT ALL. 371 00:13:41,012 --> 00:13:42,014 WE SPENT TIME TALKING ABOUT 372 00:13:42,014 --> 00:13:43,012 STUDENTS, PHILOSOPHICAL 373 00:13:56,014 --> 00:13:57,007 KETZENBERGER, DOES IT SURPRISE 374 00:13:57,007 --> 00:13:58,001 YOU THAT THE GOVERNOR WENT TO 375 00:14:02,018 --> 00:14:05,018 >> I THINK IT'S JUST GOOD 376 00:14:05,018 --> 00:14:07,000 POLITICS. IT LOOKS GOOD WHEN 377 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:08,022 HE'S WALKING ACROSS THE 378 00:14:08,022 --> 00:14:09,011 STATEHOUSE AND OVER TO HER 379 00:14:09,011 --> 00:14:10,016 OFFICE. 380 00:14:10,016 --> 00:14:13,014 >> ACTUALLY, HE CAME IN FROM THE 381 00:14:13,014 --> 00:14:15,008 PARKING LOT AND WENT 382 00:14:15,008 --> 00:14:18,000 DIRECTLY INTO HER OFFICE. 383 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:19,001 >> FROM WHERE HE PARKS -- THANK 384 00:14:19,001 --> 00:14:21,001 YOU FOR THE OUTLINE OF 385 00:14:21,001 --> 00:14:22,018 THE STATEHOUSE, JIM. TO ANSWER 386 00:14:22,018 --> 00:14:24,017 YOUR QUESTION, IT'S A 387 00:14:24,017 --> 00:14:27,009 SMART POLITICAL THING TO DO, AND 388 00:14:27,009 --> 00:14:28,017 IT DOES MAKE SENSE 389 00:14:28,017 --> 00:14:30,011 POLITICALLY FOR HIM TO GO TO HER 390 00:14:30,011 --> 00:14:32,021 OFFICE, AND IT WAS A 391 00:14:32,021 --> 00:14:33,023 GOOD IDEA. I'M GLAD THEY DID 392 00:14:33,023 --> 00:14:35,017 IT. 393 00:14:35,017 --> 00:14:37,020 >> THESE TWO ARE GOING TO BE FUN 394 00:14:37,020 --> 00:14:40,001 TO WATCH. 395 00:14:40,001 --> 00:14:42,028 >> SURE, AND YOU'VE GOT TO LOVE 396 00:14:42,028 --> 00:14:44,023 THE FACT: JUST LOOK AT 397 00:14:44,023 --> 00:14:47,011 THEIR POSITIONS, THEY COULD NOT 398 00:14:47,011 --> 00:14:47,027 BE -- 399 00:14:47,027 --> 00:14:50,024 >> I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF 400 00:14:50,024 --> 00:14:51,009 PEOPLE WHO EXPECT 401 00:14:51,009 --> 00:14:53,004 TENSION. 402 00:14:53,014 --> 00:14:56,014 >> TIP LATE WHEN IT GETS TO 403 00:14:56,014 --> 00:14:58,016 WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT AND 404 00:14:58,016 --> 00:15:00,004 VOCATIONAL EDUCATION, AFTER 405 00:15:02,012 --> 00:15:05,012 THAT, IT STOPS, THE 406 00:15:05,012 --> 00:15:07,011 QUESTION IN MY MIND, HOW LONG 407 00:15:07,011 --> 00:15:09,025 CAN THEY BE THIS VERY 408 00:15:09,025 --> 00:15:11,007 MUCH SMILING, COLLEGIATE, MAYBE 409 00:15:11,007 --> 00:15:13,005 THE HONEYMOON CAN LAST 410 00:15:13,005 --> 00:15:15,017 A LONG TIME, BUT AT SOME POINT 411 00:15:15,017 --> 00:15:18,003 THE POLICY WILL HAVE TO 412 00:15:19,016 --> 00:15:22,016 RAIN ON THE NICENESS PARADE. 413 00:15:25,012 --> 00:15:28,012 SUEELLEN REED GOT ALONG WITH 414 00:15:28,012 --> 00:15:29,028 THE, 415 00:15:29,028 --> 00:15:32,012 THE REPUBLICANS DIDN'T LIKE IT. 416 00:15:32,012 --> 00:15:34,017 >> I THINK YOU'LL BE PLEASANTLY 417 00:15:34,017 --> 00:15:36,029 SURPRISED. HOW WELL 418 00:15:37,006 --> 00:15:40,006 THESE TWO GET ALONG, THEY'VE MET 419 00:15:40,006 --> 00:15:42,027 THREE TIMES SINCE 420 00:15:44,015 --> 00:15:47,015 SHE'S BEEN ELECTED, AND THE VOC, 421 00:15:47,017 --> 00:15:50,017 ED IS ONE AREA THEY DO 422 00:15:50,017 --> 00:15:52,001 AGREE ON, AND PEOPLE FORGET, 423 00:15:52,001 --> 00:15:54,002 MIKE'S WIFE BEING A 424 00:15:54,002 --> 00:15:56,007 TEACHER, THERE'S GOING TO BE A 425 00:15:56,007 --> 00:15:57,021 LOT MORE COOPERATION 426 00:15:57,021 --> 00:15:59,013 THAN PEOPLE THINK BETWEEN GLENDA 427 00:15:59,013 --> 00:16:00,019 RITZ AND MIKE PENCE 428 00:16:00,021 --> 00:16:03,021 LONG HAUL, THEY WANT TO MEET 429 00:16:03,021 --> 00:16:05,017 REGULARLY, THIS IS NOT 430 00:16:05,017 --> 00:16:08,009 NEWS THAT HE WENT TO HER OFFICE, 431 00:16:08,009 --> 00:16:11,002 MIKE GETS IT, HE GOT 432 00:16:11,002 --> 00:16:13,014 ALL KINDS OF STYLE POINTS A WEEK 433 00:16:13,014 --> 00:16:15,006 AGO FOR WALKING IN THE 434 00:16:15,006 --> 00:16:17,002 HOUSE AND SENATE AND SAYING 435 00:16:17,002 --> 00:16:19,006 HELLO, AND HAD DEMOCRATS 436 00:16:19,006 --> 00:16:20,022 AND REPUBLICANS ALIKE SAYING WE 437 00:16:20,022 --> 00:16:22,009 NEVER HAD THAT HAPPEN 438 00:16:22,009 --> 00:16:24,004 BEFORE, HE GETS IT, YOU'LL SEE 439 00:16:24,004 --> 00:16:25,006 HIM AROUND THE BUILDING, 440 00:16:25,006 --> 00:16:27,013 HE WANTS TO WORK WITH PEOPLE. 441 00:16:27,019 --> 00:16:30,019 >> THE REAL TEST COMES WITH 442 00:16:30,019 --> 00:16:31,029 ISSUES SUCH AS VOUCHER 443 00:16:31,029 --> 00:16:33,025 EXPANSION COMES UP. 444 00:16:33,025 --> 00:16:36,013 >> THERE'S ALWAYS GOING OBJECT 445 00:16:36,013 --> 00:16:38,019 DIFFERENCES JON. 446 00:16:38,019 --> 00:16:40,029 >> SO THEY'LL GET ALONG, WILL 447 00:16:40,029 --> 00:16:41,016 THEY WORK TOGETHER? 448 00:16:41,016 --> 00:16:44,009 >> I THINK THEY WILL WORK 449 00:16:44,009 --> 00:16:46,027 TOGETHER, SHE'S COMMITTED TO 450 00:16:46,027 --> 00:16:47,029 BETTERING EDUCATION, HE SAYS HE 451 00:16:47,029 --> 00:16:50,025 IS AS WELL, SHE'S NOT 452 00:16:50,025 --> 00:16:52,024 POLITICAL. THE REASON SHE RAN 453 00:16:52,024 --> 00:16:53,017 WAS BECAUSE SHE WAS 454 00:16:53,017 --> 00:16:54,026 INTERESTED IN THE FUTURE OF 455 00:16:54,026 --> 00:16:56,000 EDUCATION IN INDIANA, AND 456 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,004 IT SEEMS TO ME IT'S IN THE 457 00:16:58,004 --> 00:16:59,020 GOVERNOR'S INTEREST TO HAVE 458 00:16:59,020 --> 00:17:01,021 THE EDUCATION IN INDIANA BE 459 00:17:01,021 --> 00:17:02,012 BRIGHTER, THEY OUGHT TO GET 460 00:17:02,012 --> 00:17:03,004 ALONG. 461 00:17:04,003 --> 00:17:06,009 THE BILL THAT COULD LEAD TO A 462 00:17:06,009 --> 00:17:07,000 NEW MASS TRANSIT SYSTEM IN 463 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:07,022 CENTRAL INDIANA ADVANCED IN THE 464 00:17:07,022 --> 00:17:08,015 GENERAL ASSEMBLY THIS WEEK. 465 00:17:08,015 --> 00:17:09,007 (VO) A COMMITTEE IN THE 466 00:17:09,007 --> 00:17:10,007 INDIANA HOUSE VOTED 11-TO-1 FOR 467 00:17:10,007 --> 00:17:11,003 THE MEASURE THAT CALLS FOR A 468 00:17:11,003 --> 00:17:12,018 REFERENDUM ON A LOCAL INCOME TAX 469 00:17:12,018 --> 00:17:13,013 HIKE IN HAMILTON ANN MARION 470 00:17:13,013 --> 00:17:14,018 COUNTIES. 471 00:17:14,018 --> 00:17:16,003 THE MONEY WOULD BE USED TO BUILD 472 00:17:16,003 --> 00:17:17,001 A BETTER BUS SYSTEM. 473 00:17:17,001 --> 00:17:18,005 THE PLAN HAS THE SUPPORT OF 474 00:17:18,005 --> 00:17:19,006 MAYOR GREG BALLARD BUT FAILED TO 475 00:17:19,006 --> 00:17:21,003 WIN APPROVAL IN TWO PREVIOUS 476 00:17:21,004 --> 00:17:24,004 SESSIONS OF THE LEGISLATURE.. 477 00:17:24,004 --> 00:17:24,028 (SOT) ((RON GIFFORD/INDY 478 00:17:24,028 --> 00:17:26,001 CONNECT NOW: I THINK A LOT OF 479 00:17:26,001 --> 00:17:27,008 LEGISLATORS UNDERSTAND NOW THAT 480 00:17:27,008 --> 00:17:28,017 LOCAL GOVERNMENTS FACE A LOT OF 481 00:17:28,017 --> 00:17:30,011 DIFFERENT CHALLENGES AND THAT 482 00:17:30,011 --> 00:17:32,005 LOCAL COMMUNITIES HAVE DIFFERENT 483 00:17:32,005 --> 00:17:33,026 NEEDS AND THEY NEED DIFFERENT 484 00:17:33,026 --> 00:17:35,001 WAYS TO DEAL WITH THOSE NEEDS 485 00:17:35,001 --> 00:17:36,010 AND THE TRADITIONAL WAYS OF 486 00:17:36,010 --> 00:17:37,023 FUNDING, PROPERTY TAX, INCOME 487 00:17:37,023 --> 00:17:38,025 TAX AND THE LIKE, MAY BE NOT BE 488 00:17:38,025 --> 00:17:39,021 SUFFICIENT TO ADDRESS THOSE 489 00:17:42,011 --> 00:17:45,011 NEEDS IN THE FUTURE. 490 00:17:45,011 --> 00:17:46,001 JON SCHWANTES, 491 00:17:46,001 --> 00:17:47,000 HAVE ATTITUDES CHANGED REGARDING 492 00:17:50,028 --> 00:17:53,028 >> I THINK IT APPEARS THERE IS 493 00:17:53,028 --> 00:17:55,015 MOVEMENT IN SOME 494 00:17:55,015 --> 00:17:56,025 SECTORS, OVER INDIVIDUALS, FOR 495 00:17:56,025 --> 00:17:57,014 INSTANCE THE SENATE, 496 00:17:57,025 --> 00:18:00,025 THERE SEEMS TO BE MORE OF A 497 00:18:02,018 --> 00:18:05,018 THEME OF SKEPTICISM THAN IN 498 00:18:05,018 --> 00:18:07,010 THE HOUSE, SO THE SMOOTHNESS 499 00:18:07,010 --> 00:18:09,016 GOING FOR THIS BILL MAY BE 500 00:18:09,029 --> 00:18:12,029 EARLY ON AND THEN THE QUESTION 501 00:18:12,029 --> 00:18:14,003 MARKS WILL ARISE, BUT 502 00:18:14,003 --> 00:18:16,018 HOW THIS WAS POSITIONED THIS 503 00:18:16,018 --> 00:18:18,021 WEEK, THE STATEMENTS THAT 504 00:18:18,021 --> 00:18:19,028 CAME OUT AFTER THE VOTE, 505 00:18:19,028 --> 00:18:21,021 EVERYBODY WAS SAYING THIS IS 506 00:18:21,021 --> 00:18:23,014 ALL ABOUT GIVING LOCALS THE 507 00:18:23,016 --> 00:18:26,018 OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THEIR 508 00:18:26,018 --> 00:18:29,003 OWN DECISION, ALMOST AS IF YOU 509 00:18:29,022 --> 00:18:32,022 ARE WRITING THE NOTE TO 510 00:18:32,022 --> 00:18:34,013 GROVER NORQUIST, WE'RE NOT 511 00:18:34,013 --> 00:18:36,009 WRITING FOR A TAX INCREASE, 512 00:18:36,009 --> 00:18:37,025 THE POLL THAT WISH-TV DID WITH 513 00:18:37,025 --> 00:18:39,008 BALL STATE BACK BEFORE 514 00:18:39,008 --> 00:18:41,019 THE SESSION SHOWED THAT THERE 515 00:18:41,019 --> 00:18:44,019 MAY NOT BE AS MUCH OF AN 516 00:18:44,019 --> 00:18:46,003 OPPOSITION TO TAX INCREASES AS 517 00:18:46,003 --> 00:18:48,009 CONVENTIONAL WISDOM COME 518 00:18:48,009 --> 00:18:50,004 WOULD DICTATION, AS LONG AS 519 00:18:50,004 --> 00:18:52,024 THERE ARE CAUSES, AND IF 520 00:18:52,024 --> 00:18:54,015 THIS CASE THERE ARE SPECIFIC 521 00:18:54,015 --> 00:18:56,012 BENEFICIARIES. 522 00:18:56,012 --> 00:18:57,029 >> MIKE PENCE HAS SIGNED THAT 523 00:18:57,029 --> 00:19:00,015 AND HASN'T TAKEN A 524 00:19:00,015 --> 00:19:02,018 POSITION ON THIS BILL, DOES THIS 525 00:19:02,018 --> 00:19:03,018 NEED MIKE PENCE'S 526 00:19:03,018 --> 00:19:05,003 SUPPORT? 527 00:19:05,019 --> 00:19:08,019 >> IF IT'S GOING TO GET ENACTED, 528 00:19:08,019 --> 00:19:10,013 IT DOES, I THINK THIS 529 00:19:10,013 --> 00:19:11,021 WHOLE GROVER NORQUIST THING IS 530 00:19:11,021 --> 00:19:13,026 INTERESTING. THIS IS, 531 00:19:13,026 --> 00:19:15,011 SERIOUSLY ABOUT LOCAL DETERMINE 532 00:19:15,011 --> 00:19:16,022 NATION, AND IT'S A 533 00:19:16,022 --> 00:19:17,017 LONG-STANDING ISSUE BETWEEN THE 534 00:19:17,017 --> 00:19:19,008 LEGISLATURE AND LOCAL 535 00:19:19,008 --> 00:19:20,028 GOVERNMENT. IS IT A TAX 536 00:19:20,028 --> 00:19:22,023 INCREASE IF THE LEGISLATURE 537 00:19:22,023 --> 00:19:24,019 ALLOWS A LOCAL COMMUNITY TO 538 00:19:25,009 --> 00:19:28,009 DETERMINE WHAT IT NEEDS AND 539 00:19:30,003 --> 00:19:33,003 HOW TO PAY TO THAT, AND I THINK 540 00:19:33,003 --> 00:19:34,026 GROVER NORQUIST OUGHT 541 00:19:34,026 --> 00:19:36,020 TO GET HIS HEAD OUT OF LOCAL 542 00:19:36,020 --> 00:19:37,012 BUSINESS -- 543 00:19:37,012 --> 00:19:39,016 >> THAT WAS CLOSE. 544 00:19:42,023 --> 00:19:45,023 >> IT WAS, BUT HE NEEDS TO BUTT 545 00:19:45,023 --> 00:19:47,020 OUT, AND ALLOW PEOPLE, 546 00:19:47,020 --> 00:19:48,024 STATES TO GOVERNOR THEMSELVES 547 00:19:48,024 --> 00:19:51,019 AND LET PEOPLE MAKE 548 00:19:51,019 --> 00:19:52,008 DECISIONS FOR THEIR OWN 549 00:19:52,008 --> 00:19:53,009 CONSTITUENCY. 550 00:19:53,016 --> 00:19:56,016 >> THIS NOW HAS TO GO TO THE 551 00:19:56,016 --> 00:19:57,002 HOUSE WAYS AND MEANS 552 00:19:57,002 --> 00:19:58,025 COMMITTEE. 553 00:19:59,024 --> 00:20:02,024 >> THIS IS GOOD PROGRESS. 554 00:20:02,024 --> 00:20:04,006 REPRESENTATIVE GOT IT OUT 555 00:20:04,006 --> 00:20:05,025 WITH A SOLID MA GURLET, IF YOU 556 00:20:05,025 --> 00:20:07,013 ARE DEVELOPING A 557 00:20:07,013 --> 00:20:10,003 WAREHOUSE BUSINESS WHICH WE ARE 558 00:20:10,003 --> 00:20:11,023 IN CENTRAL INDIANA AND 559 00:20:11,023 --> 00:20:13,020 NOT PAYING THOSE JOBS ALL THAT 560 00:20:13,020 --> 00:20:15,004 MUCH, WE NEED A 561 00:20:15,004 --> 00:20:16,014 TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM TO GET 562 00:20:16,014 --> 00:20:18,028 THEY SEE PEOPLE TO WORK, 563 00:20:18,028 --> 00:20:21,000 IT MAKES SENSE IF YOU WANT JOBS, 564 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,004 IF YOU WANT TO BE A 565 00:20:23,004 --> 00:20:24,008 HIGH CLASS CITY, YOU HAVE TO 566 00:20:24,008 --> 00:20:25,017 HAVE A PUBLIC 567 00:20:25,017 --> 00:20:26,007 TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM THAT 568 00:20:26,007 --> 00:20:27,028 WORKS. 569 00:20:27,028 --> 00:20:28,023 >> THIRD TIME A CHARM? 570 00:20:29,021 --> 00:20:32,021 >> THEY HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO, 571 00:20:32,021 --> 00:20:34,009 NOW GOES TO WAYS AND 572 00:20:34,009 --> 00:20:35,021 MEANS COMMITTEE, WHERE THE 573 00:20:35,021 --> 00:20:37,026 CHAIRMAN TOLD ME HE PLANS TO 574 00:20:37,026 --> 00:20:39,022 MOVE ON IT QUICKLY, BUT IT WILL 575 00:20:39,022 --> 00:20:40,018 BE A BONDING AUTHORITY, 576 00:20:40,018 --> 00:20:42,026 NOT A MAJOR PART OF THE 577 00:20:43,007 --> 00:20:46,007 DISCUSSION THE FIRST TIME 578 00:20:47,002 --> 00:20:50,002 AROUND, A WHOLE ANOTHER ASPECT, 579 00:20:50,002 --> 00:20:51,022 BUT THERE IS DEFINITELY 580 00:20:51,022 --> 00:20:53,018 MOVEMENT ABOUT LETTING THIS GO 581 00:20:53,018 --> 00:20:54,027 FORWARD AND LETTING 582 00:20:54,027 --> 00:20:56,022 LOCALS DECIDE, MADE A LOT OF 583 00:20:56,022 --> 00:20:57,012 PROGRESS IN A SHORT PERIOD 584 00:20:57,012 --> 00:20:59,001 OF TIME. 585 00:20:59,001 --> 00:21:01,007 >> THERE MAY BE SOME EXPANSION 586 00:21:01,007 --> 00:21:01,024 OF THE BUS SYSTEM AND 587 00:21:01,024 --> 00:21:02,016 RAIL. 588 00:21:02,016 --> 00:21:03,010 >> WE NEED BOTH. 589 00:21:04,015 --> 00:21:06,023 THERE MAY BE NO GAY MARRIAGE 590 00:21:06,023 --> 00:21:07,029 DEBATE IN THE INDIANA GENERAL 591 00:21:07,029 --> 00:21:08,027 ASSEMBLY THIS YEAR. 592 00:21:08,027 --> 00:21:09,028 LEADERS MAY POSTPONE IT TILL 593 00:21:09,028 --> 00:21:10,028 NEXT YEAR. 594 00:21:10,028 --> 00:21:11,024 (TAKE VO) SENATE GOP LEADER 595 00:21:11,024 --> 00:21:12,018 DAVID LONG SAYS CONSIDERATION OF 596 00:21:12,018 --> 00:21:13,019 A PERMANENT BAN ON GAY MARRIAGE 597 00:21:13,019 --> 00:21:14,029 HAS BEEN DELAYED AND A JOINT 598 00:21:14,029 --> 00:21:16,002 ANNOUNCEMENT BY HIM AND SPEAKER 599 00:21:16,002 --> 00:21:16,028 BRIAN BOSMA IS SCHEDULED FOR 600 00:21:16,028 --> 00:21:18,027 LATE NEXT WEEK. 601 00:21:18,027 --> 00:21:20,004 ONE FACTOR IN THE DECISION IS A 602 00:21:20,004 --> 00:21:21,026 CASE NOW PENDING IN THE SUPREME 603 00:21:21,026 --> 00:21:23,028 COURT.. (WIPE TO SOT) ((I 604 00:21:24,003 --> 00:21:27,005 THINK IT'S INADVISABLE TO MOVE 605 00:21:27,005 --> 00:21:29,017 FORWARD WITH THE UNITED STATES 606 00:21:29,017 --> 00:21:30,017 SUPREME COURT HAVING THE 607 00:21:30,017 --> 00:21:31,028 QUESTION BEFORE IT BUT I'M NOT 608 00:21:31,028 --> 00:21:33,000 MAKING THAT DECISION BY MYSELF 609 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:34,007 AND TALKING TO FOLKS ON BOTH 610 00:21:34,007 --> 00:21:35,014 SIDES OF THE ISSUE AND RECEIVING 611 00:21:35,014 --> 00:21:37,013 THEIR OPINIONS AS WELL. 612 00:21:37,013 --> 00:21:38,017 )) ((YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OTHER 613 00:21:38,017 --> 00:21:39,028 CRITICAL ISSUES TO ADDRESS. 614 00:21:39,028 --> 00:21:41,010 WE WANTED TO PUT OUR FOCUS ON 615 00:21:41,010 --> 00:21:43,006 THAT. 616 00:21:43,006 --> 00:21:44,007 THE TIME IS COMING TO COME TO A 617 00:21:44,007 --> 00:21:46,014 DECISION ON THAT. 618 00:21:46,014 --> 00:21:47,012 )) ( ON CAM ) MIKE MCDANIEL, 619 00:21:47,012 --> 00:21:48,011 IS THAT A DEAD ISSUE FOR THIS 620 00:21:53,008 --> 00:21:56,008 >> I PROBABLY WOULD SAY IT IS. 621 00:21:56,008 --> 00:21:57,016 DAVID LONG HAS 622 00:21:57,016 --> 00:21:59,009 PRESIDENT PRO TEM IN THE SENATE 623 00:21:59,009 --> 00:22:00,018 AND SAID WE'VE GOT 624 00:22:00,018 --> 00:22:01,023 OTHER THINGS TO WORRY ABOUT, 625 00:22:01,023 --> 00:22:03,012 BRIAN BOSMA QUOTED 626 00:22:03,012 --> 00:22:04,026 CONTINUOUSLY AS SAYING IT'S NOT 627 00:22:04,026 --> 00:22:05,026 OUR PRIORITY. THE TWO 628 00:22:05,026 --> 00:22:08,011 OF THEM HAVE TO GO BACK TO THEIR 629 00:22:08,011 --> 00:22:09,021 CAUCUSES PAUSE NOW UP 630 00:22:09,021 --> 00:22:10,023 AGAINST THE TIME FRAME OF 631 00:22:10,023 --> 00:22:13,000 WHETHER YOU ARE GOING TO ACT 632 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,002 ON IT OR NOT. I THINK AFTER 633 00:22:15,002 --> 00:22:17,001 THEY COME OUT OF THE 634 00:22:17,001 --> 00:22:18,010 CAUCUS, THE DECISION WILL MAKE 635 00:22:18,010 --> 00:22:19,021 TO APPROXIMATES THIS 636 00:22:19,021 --> 00:22:21,016 YEAR, SIT BACK AND SEE WHAT THE 637 00:22:21,016 --> 00:22:23,006 SUPREME COURT DOES. 638 00:22:23,006 --> 00:22:24,021 >> IS IT REALISTIC TO THINK THAT 639 00:22:24,021 --> 00:22:26,019 THE SUPREME COURT WILL 640 00:22:26,019 --> 00:22:27,021 MAKE THIS A MOOT POINT? 641 00:22:27,023 --> 00:22:30,023 >> NO, IT PROBABLY IS NOT. BUT 642 00:22:30,023 --> 00:22:32,008 HAVING SAID THAT, 643 00:22:32,008 --> 00:22:34,013 ATTITUDES ARE CHANGING AT A VERY 644 00:22:34,013 --> 00:22:37,008 RAPID PACE, AND WHEN 645 00:22:37,008 --> 00:22:38,029 YOU HAVE ALL THE BECAME BUSINESS 646 00:22:38,029 --> 00:22:40,020 COMMUNITIES IN CENTRAL 647 00:22:40,020 --> 00:22:43,000 INDIANA ALL PRESSING NOT TO PASS 648 00:22:43,020 --> 00:22:46,020 THIS, IT SEEMS TO ME, 649 00:22:46,020 --> 00:22:48,026 LETTING SOMETIME GO BY AND 650 00:22:48,026 --> 00:22:50,020 SEEING WHETHER THE ATTITUDES 651 00:22:50,020 --> 00:22:53,013 ARE THE SAME NEXT YEAR, AND THEY 652 00:22:54,005 --> 00:22:57,005 SHOULD BE APPLAUDED 653 00:22:57,005 --> 00:22:58,023 FOR TAKING THAT CONTROVERSIAL 654 00:22:58,023 --> 00:22:59,016 ISSUE OFF THE TABLE. 655 00:22:59,016 --> 00:23:01,024 >> I THINK AS ANN SAID, THE 656 00:23:01,024 --> 00:23:03,006 POLLING MOVING IN THAT 657 00:23:03,008 --> 00:23:06,008 DIRECTION, SO IF IT DOES GET ON 658 00:23:06,008 --> 00:23:08,005 THE BALLOT IN 2014, I 659 00:23:08,005 --> 00:23:09,010 DON'T THINK A FOREGONE 660 00:23:09,010 --> 00:23:11,006 CONCLUSION EITHER WAY, IT WILL 661 00:23:11,006 --> 00:23:12,006 BE AN INTERESTING CAMPAIGN, AND 662 00:23:12,006 --> 00:23:13,001 WE'LL SEE WHAT THE WILL 663 00:23:13,001 --> 00:23:13,025 OF THE PEOPLE IS. 664 00:23:17,008 --> 00:23:20,008 . IF IT PASSES 2013 OR 14, IT 665 00:23:20,008 --> 00:23:22,017 BECOMES A REFERENDUM IN 666 00:23:22,017 --> 00:23:23,014 NOVEMBER 2014. SHOULD 667 00:23:23,014 --> 00:23:25,002 REPUBLICANS BE CONCERNED THAT 668 00:23:25,002 --> 00:23:26,014 HAVING AT THAT ON THE BALLOT 669 00:23:26,014 --> 00:23:28,011 COULD HURT THEIR 670 00:23:28,011 --> 00:23:29,017 CANDIDATES AT THIS POINT? 671 00:23:29,017 --> 00:23:31,025 >> I'VE NEVER SEEN AN ISSUE 672 00:23:31,025 --> 00:23:33,014 PERHAPS THAT'S EVOLVED AS 673 00:23:33,014 --> 00:23:35,015 QUICKLY AS THIS ONE, IF YOU HAVE 674 00:23:35,015 --> 00:23:37,018 ASKED ME THAT QUESTION 675 00:23:37,018 --> 00:23:39,013 FIVE YEARS AGO, I WOULD HAVE 676 00:23:39,013 --> 00:23:40,023 BEEN DEFINITIVE IT 677 00:23:41,014 --> 00:23:44,014 WOULDN'T HURT THEM AT ALL, PRIOR 678 00:23:44,014 --> 00:23:46,025 TO THE 2012 REFERENDA 679 00:23:46,025 --> 00:23:48,027 AROUND THE COUNTRY, ALL OF WHICH 680 00:23:48,027 --> 00:23:49,028 DECIDED IN FAVOR OF 681 00:23:49,028 --> 00:23:51,027 GAY MARRIAGE, BEFORE THAT, THERE 682 00:23:51,027 --> 00:23:53,018 WAS A HISTORY OF IT 683 00:23:53,018 --> 00:23:55,021 BEING USED AS A DRIVER TO GET 684 00:23:55,021 --> 00:23:58,008 PEOPLE TO THE POLLS. FOR 685 00:23:58,008 --> 00:23:59,025 REPUBLICANS, THANKS, BUT NOW, 686 00:23:59,025 --> 00:24:02,024 BECAUSE OF THESE EVOLVING 687 00:24:02,024 --> 00:24:04,004 OPINIONS,, AND I SHOULD SAY, 688 00:24:04,004 --> 00:24:06,000 THIS IS A FASCINATING 689 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,028 ISSUE, AND ONE YOU WILL PROBABLY 690 00:24:07,028 --> 00:24:08,029 WANT TO TUNE INTO 691 00:24:08,029 --> 00:24:11,019 "INDIANA LAWMAKERS" THIS WEEK ON 692 00:24:12,002 --> 00:24:15,002 MANY OF THESE SAME 693 00:24:15,028 --> 00:24:18,028 TELL VAGUE STATIONS WHERE WE 694 00:24:18,028 --> 00:24:20,029 DEVOTE THE WHOLE HALF HOUR 695 00:24:20,029 --> 00:24:21,016 TO GAY MARRIAGE. 696 00:24:21,016 --> 00:24:22,009 >> 697 00:24:27,023 --> 00:24:28,015 THREE-TIME INDY 500 CHAMP DARIO 698 00:24:28,015 --> 00:24:29,006 FRANCHITTI AND ACTRESS ASHLEY 699 00:24:29,006 --> 00:24:31,003 JUDD ARE CALLING IT QUITS. 700 00:24:31,003 --> 00:24:31,026 (VO) THE HIGH-PROFILE PAIR 701 00:24:31,026 --> 00:24:32,019 ARE DIVORCING AFTER MORE THAN 10 702 00:24:32,019 --> 00:24:34,020 YEARS OF MARRIAGE. 703 00:24:34,020 --> 00:24:36,009 IN A STATEMENT.. THEY SAID THE 704 00:24:36,009 --> 00:24:37,015 DECISION WAS MUTUAL AND THEY 705 00:24:37,015 --> 00:24:39,010 WOULD ALWAYS BE FAMILY. 706 00:24:39,010 --> 00:24:40,025 JUDD TWEETED "FAMILY FOREVER." 707 00:24:40,025 --> 00:24:42,000 SHE IS RUMORED TO BE CONSIDERING 708 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:42,025 A RUN FOR A SENATE SEAT IN 709 00:24:42,025 --> 00:24:44,005 KENTUCKY. 710 00:24:44,005 --> 00:24:45,012 (VO OUT) ANN DELANEY, WILL 711 00:24:45,012 --> 00:24:46,008 SHE HAVE BETTER LUCK IN POLITICS 712 00:24:46,008 --> 00:24:47,009 IF SHE'S NOT MARRIED TO SOMEONE 713 00:24:47,026 --> 00:24:50,026 FROM SCOTLAND?, 714 00:24:50,026 --> 00:24:53,010 >> I DIDN'T REALLY THINK IT WAS 715 00:24:53,010 --> 00:24:55,016 A DISABILITY TO BE 716 00:24:55,016 --> 00:24:57,011 MARRIED TO SOMEONE FROM SCOTT 717 00:24:59,001 --> 00:25:02,001 LAP, IS THAT NOW A 718 00:25:02,023 --> 00:25:05,023 TERRORIST HEY CONVENTION OR HIS 719 00:25:05,023 --> 00:25:06,009 ACCENT THAT BOTHERS 720 00:25:06,009 --> 00:25:07,001 YOU. 721 00:25:07,001 --> 00:25:09,022 >> WILL HE BE A BETTER DRIVER IF 722 00:25:09,022 --> 00:25:11,022 HE DOESN'T HAVE A SPOT 723 00:25:11,023 --> 00:25:14,023 IN HIS PIT TAKEN UP BY SOMEONE 724 00:25:14,023 --> 00:25:16,019 READING A BOOK. 725 00:25:16,019 --> 00:25:19,006 >> THE ONLY THING THAT BOTHERS 726 00:25:19,006 --> 00:25:20,025 ME ABOUT ASHLEY JUDD IS 727 00:25:21,001 --> 00:25:24,001 SHE'S A HUGE UNIVERSE OF 728 00:25:24,001 --> 00:25:24,019 KENTUCKY BASKETBALL FAN. 729 00:25:24,019 --> 00:25:25,013 >> 730 00:25:28,017 --> 00:25:29,008 THAT'S INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW 731 00:25:29,008 --> 00:25:29,028 FOR THIS WEEK. 732 00:25:29,028 --> 00:25:30,025 OUR PANEL IS DEMOCRAT ANN 733 00:25:30,025 --> 00:25:31,022 DELANEY REPUBLICAN MIKE 734 00:25:31,022 --> 00:25:32,020 MCDANIEL JON SCHWANTES OF 735 00:25:32,020 --> 00:25:33,025 INDIANA LAWMAKERS AND JOHN 736 00:25:33,025 --> 00:25:34,022 KETZENBERGER OF THE INDIANA 737 00:25:34,022 --> 00:25:35,016 FISCAL POLICY INSTITUTE IF 738 00:25:35,016 --> 00:25:36,010 YOU'D LIKE A PODCAST OF THIS 739 00:25:36,010 --> 00:25:37,011 PROGRAM YOU CAN FIND IT AT 740 00:25:37,011 --> 00:25:38,010 WFYI.ORG/PODCAST OR, STARTING 741 00:25:38,010 --> 00:25:39,012 MONDAY, YOU CAN STREAM IT OR GET 742 00:25:39,012 --> 00:25:40,010 IT ON DEMAND FROM XFINITY OR 743 00:25:40,010 --> 00:25:41,023 BRIGHTHOUSE NETWORKS. 744 00:25:41,023 --> 00:25:45,023 I'M JIM SHELLA OF WISH-TV.