WEBVTT 00:03.333 --> 00:11.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% (Music) Holcomb still won't 00:11.133 --> 00:12.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% endorse in the governor's 00:12.133 --> 00:13.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% race. Hospital leaders feel 00:13.133 --> 00:14.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% targeted by 2023 legislation. 00:14.933 --> 00:15.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Plus Rokita urging National 00:15.900 --> 00:17.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Guardsmen to the border and 00:17.133 --> 00:20.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% more. On the television 00:20.966 --> 00:22.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% studios at WFYI, it's Indiana 00:22.200 --> 00:23.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Week in Review for the week 00:23.633 --> 00:24.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ending May 19 May 19, 2023. 00:30.600 --> 00:31.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> Indiana Week in Review is 00:31.166 --> 00:31.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% made possible by the 00:31.633 --> 00:32.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% supporters of Indiana public 00:32.233 --> 00:32.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% broadcasting stations. 00:32.833 --> 00:43.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> This week, Governor Eric 00:43.766 --> 00:45.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Is still unwilling to say who 00:45.200 --> 00:46.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% these endorsing in the race to 00:46.633 --> 00:47.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% replace him. The Republican 00:47.633 --> 00:48.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% primary candidates for 00:48.333 --> 00:49.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% governor are US Senator Mike 00:49.500 --> 00:50.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Brown, Fort Wayne businessmen 00:50.233 --> 00:50.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Eric Doden and Holcomb's 00:50.766 --> 00:51.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% lieutenant governor, Suzanne 00:51.366 --> 00:51.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Crouch. 00:51.700 --> 00:52.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> Holcomb previously said he 00:52.333 --> 00:52.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% would hold off on any 00:52.833 --> 00:56.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% endorsement until after the 00:56.166 --> 00:57.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% 2023 legislative session. Now 00:57.100 --> 00:57.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% he wants to extend that out a 00:57.733 --> 00:58.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% little further. 00:58.666 --> 01:00.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> I am making sure that we 01:00.966 --> 01:02.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% stick the landing coming out 01:02.233 --> 01:08.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% of session. It's still May. 01:08.100 --> 01:08.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> Holcomb insists that 01:08.966 --> 01:10.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% holding off on any endorsement 01:10.166 --> 01:11.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% isn't awkward for his 01:11.133 --> 01:12.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% governing partner, Suzanne 01:12.500 --> 01:13.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Crouch. He says it's important 01:13.666 --> 01:14.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% for any candidate to establish 01:14.900 --> 01:15.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that they are their own 01:15.533 --> 01:15.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% person. 01:23.533 --> 01:24.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> I don't want anyone 01:24.000 --> 01:24.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% thinking that just because she 01:24.633 --> 01:25.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% and I work so closely together 01:25.266 --> 01:25.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that she's a clone of me. 01:25.900 --> 01:29.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> The 2024 gubernatorial 01:29.000 --> 01:29.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% primaries next May. 01:29.566 --> 01:30.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> Is it awkward that Holcomb 01:30.300 --> 01:37.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% hasn't endorsed in a 01:37.533 --> 01:38.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% gubernatorial primary that 01:38.266 --> 01:38.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% includes his lieutenant 01:38.933 --> 01:39.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% governor? It's the first 01:39.900 --> 01:40.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% question for our panel. 01:40.833 --> 01:41.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Democrat Elise Shrock, 01:41.566 --> 01:46.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Republican Mike O'Brien, John 01:46.200 --> 01:47.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Schwantes host of Indiana 01:47.133 --> 01:48.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Lawmakers and Niki Kelly, 01:48.100 --> 01:49.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% editor-in-chief of the Indiana 01:49.100 --> 01:50.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Capital Chronicle. I'm Indiana 01:50.066 --> 01:51.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% public broadcasting to a host 01:51.266 --> 01:53.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% bureau chief Brandon Smith. 01:53.333 --> 01:55.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Elise Shrock, I think everyone 01:55.033 --> 01:55.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% assumes Holcomb will endorse 01:55.966 --> 01:58.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Coach. Is it awkward that he 01:58.200 --> 01:59.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% hasn't done 01:59.366 --> 02:02.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% it? >> It's awkward and they 02:02.500 --> 02:03.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% have to work together and 02:03.733 --> 02:11.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that's got to have some... 02:11.433 --> 02:13.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ABACLE it's not like he has a 02:13.233 --> 02:14.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% lot of precedent for this 02:14.433 --> 02:15.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% because he became that 02:15.433 --> 02:16.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% candidate like four months 02:16.000 --> 02:16.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% before an election so this is 02:16.600 --> 02:16.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% new. 02:16.900 --> 02:21.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> But there has to be some 02:21.833 --> 02:22.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% tension there and I guess we 02:22.433 --> 02:23.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% will have to wait and see. 02:23.100 --> 02:28.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> So years, has he put 02:28.433 --> 02:29.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% himself into this position 02:29.400 --> 02:33.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% which he could have just said, 02:33.100 --> 02:34.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I'm not going to endorse 02:34.333 --> 02:35.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% anybody. I wanted to be an 02:35.766 --> 02:37.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% open primary I want to put my 02:37.466 --> 02:38.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% finger on the scale that why 02:38.900 --> 02:41.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% not do that? Because everyone 02:41.100 --> 02:42.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% assumes you will endorse your 02:42.300 --> 02:43.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% running mate, why not say 02:43.500 --> 02:44.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% "Yeah she is my pic. " 02:44.833 --> 02:46.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> Think about the three 02:46.066 --> 02:47.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% candidates in the primary. 02:47.633 --> 02:49.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% What are the attack lines on 02:49.100 --> 02:53.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% each other? Pro-life, 02:53.400 --> 02:54.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% pro-life, where are you 02:54.333 --> 02:55.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% differentiating yourself in 02:55.033 --> 02:59.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the base and one way I think 02:59.266 --> 03:00.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Eric Doden and Mike Braun will 03:00.733 --> 03:01.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% try to separate from Suzanne 03:01.933 --> 03:05.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Crouch is on the 03:05.766 --> 03:06.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% vulnerabilities that Governor 03:06.500 --> 03:07.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Holcomb has with the 03:07.466 --> 03:08.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Republican base. Coming out of 03:08.633 --> 03:10.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% COVID we saw that player at 03:10.066 --> 03:11.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the convention last year. So I 03:11.466 --> 03:13.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% think it is prudent for 03:13.966 --> 03:15.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Suzanne to have a little space 03:15.366 --> 03:17.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% here. To go create her own 03:17.633 --> 03:21.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% identity. To create her own 03:21.433 --> 03:22.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% message that she has as we 03:22.833 --> 03:26.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% noted previously, tack hard to 03:26.000 --> 03:27.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the right on some social media 03:27.433 --> 03:28.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% and some other things that 03:28.633 --> 03:29.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% what is Eric Holcomb? Not 03:29.766 --> 03:34.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Republican in the primary? So 03:34.866 --> 03:36.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I think she needs a little 03:36.266 --> 03:37.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% space to create her own 03:37.433 --> 03:38.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% identity or elevator identity 03:38.366 --> 03:40.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% from what it is as auditor or 03:40.000 --> 03:43.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% state representative. And if 03:43.433 --> 03:49.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% you are not strategic about 03:49.566 --> 03:50.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% when these endorsements are 03:50.500 --> 03:51.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% coming, particularly the 03:51.200 --> 03:52.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% biggest one, the sitting 03:52.133 --> 03:53.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% governor, you've got to think 03:53.333 --> 03:57.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% about that and is it helpful? 03:57.400 --> 03:58.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% That is a question. And when 03:58.900 --> 04:01.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% is it helpful? 04:01.866 --> 04:03.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> This is a question I want 04:03.433 --> 04:04.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% to ask you Jon. Mike just 04:04.866 --> 04:05.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% talked about with the 04:05.866 --> 04:12.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Republican primary base, and a 04:12.900 --> 04:14.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% certain wing of the Republican 04:14.133 --> 04:15.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% primary, Eric Holcomb is not 04:15.266 --> 04:16.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the most popular guy in the 04:16.666 --> 04:17.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% world. This goes mostly back 04:17.866 --> 04:19.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% to COVID I feel like. There 04:19.300 --> 04:20.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% are some other, he vetoed the 04:20.733 --> 04:21.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% trans- high school sports bill 04:21.866 --> 04:23.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% last year and has done other 04:23.266 --> 04:24.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% things that have angered hard 04:24.466 --> 04:25.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% right conservatives but, is an 04:25.666 --> 04:26.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Eric Holcomb endorsement 04:26.900 --> 04:29.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% helpful to Suzanne Crouch? 04:29.900 --> 04:32.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> You know? I don't think it 04:32.800 --> 04:41.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% would hurt, certainly the 04:41.766 --> 04:43.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% power of incumbency when you 04:43.000 --> 04:44.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% have a sitting governor yes 04:44.233 --> 04:45.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% you do have the friction with 04:45.700 --> 04:47.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the right wing of the party, 04:47.133 --> 04:48.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% dating back to COVID and the 04:48.533 --> 04:49.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% emergency orders and a lot of 04:49.966 --> 04:50.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% things that the governor 04:50.933 --> 04:52.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% overreached and adopted a big 04:52.133 --> 04:52.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% brother approach to 04:52.833 --> 04:54.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% governance. But what are his 04:54.000 --> 04:55.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% options? Does he endorse 04:55.300 --> 04:56.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Jennifer McCormick, the likely 04:56.300 --> 04:58.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Democratic? But if the theory 04:58.333 --> 05:01.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% is that his endorsement is 05:01.600 --> 05:02.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% bad, for Republicans, if you 05:02.800 --> 05:05.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% really want to play multilayer 05:05.333 --> 05:08.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% chess year, then he should 05:08.400 --> 05:09.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% endorse the Democrat, 05:09.100 --> 05:10.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% therefore to drive people to 05:10.300 --> 05:13.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the Republican... I think we 05:13.866 --> 05:15.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% are overthinking it. I think 05:15.033 --> 05:15.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the easiest thing would've 05:15.966 --> 05:17.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% been to simply say, especially 05:17.166 --> 05:23.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% if you are uncertain or don't 05:23.800 --> 05:25.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% have a lot of skin in the game 05:25.700 --> 05:27.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% or expend a lot of capital is 05:27.366 --> 05:30.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% say of course, this has been 05:30.233 --> 05:31.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% my partner in governance for X 05:31.666 --> 05:33.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% number of years, I would love 05:33.066 --> 05:34.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% to see a continuation of what 05:34.466 --> 05:36.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% we have built together. Done. 05:36.666 --> 05:38.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% There are a lot of people who 05:38.333 --> 05:39.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% don't want to see a 05:39.533 --> 05:40.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% continuation of what they 05:40.500 --> 05:41.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% built together not because of 05:41.700 --> 05:48.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% record job growth and wage 05:48.066 --> 05:48.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% increases and record 05:48.533 --> 05:49.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% investment in education, none 05:49.133 --> 05:49.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% of that stuff 05:49.566 --> 05:50.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that >> That terrible stuff 05:50.200 --> 05:50.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that >> Small business and 05:50.766 --> 05:51.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Conrad Holcomb in the summer 05:51.400 --> 05:56.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% of 2020. 05:56.133 --> 05:56.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> $$CAPITALISE@Jennifer 05:56.633 --> 05:57.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% McCormick endorsement. 05:57.233 --> 05:57.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> If he endorses her, then 05:57.866 --> 05:59.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% you give Bron and Jodi and the 05:59.333 --> 06:00.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% chance, to the crowd, the 06:00.600 --> 06:02.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Conrad Holcomb crowd. But here 06:02.500 --> 06:04.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% is the primary, 06:04.333 --> 06:08.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> Here's the thing, let's say 06:08.566 --> 06:17.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Holcomb never endorses 06:17.066 --> 06:18.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that >> She is already going 06:18.500 --> 06:20.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% to get those because she is 06:20.066 --> 06:21.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% part of that administration. I 06:21.266 --> 06:22.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% almost don't even wonder if he 06:22.733 --> 06:24.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% would endorse her or if that 06:24.166 --> 06:25.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% would hurt her because 06:25.066 --> 06:26.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% everyone who is already 06:26.033 --> 06:26.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% against Holcomb assumes she 06:26.600 --> 06:27.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% lines up with him. On those 06:27.166 --> 06:27.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% pigs issues. 06:27.600 --> 06:28.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> Or at least will be able to 06:28.500 --> 06:28.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% say that. 06:28.866 --> 06:30.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> I think she is already 06:30.066 --> 06:31.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% going to get that bit so at 06:31.700 --> 06:40.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% least from the far right. So 06:40.300 --> 06:40.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% his endorsement could help 06:40.866 --> 06:41.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% some sway for some more 06:41.366 --> 06:41.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% moderates. 06:41.766 --> 06:42.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> To the point where because 06:42.366 --> 06:43.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% everybody just assumes he is 06:43.233 --> 06:44.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% for her, the fact that he 06:44.700 --> 06:46.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% won't say that he is, starts 06:46.133 --> 06:51.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% to feel like, is there a 06:51.066 --> 06:52.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% reason you don't like her? The 06:52.533 --> 06:54.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% reason you don't trust her? I 06:54.000 --> 06:55.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% don't think that is true. It 06:55.466 --> 06:56.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% is an awkward position. But I 06:56.900 --> 06:58.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% think wouldn't it have been 06:58.166 --> 06:59.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% better, I will ask you this, 06:59.566 --> 07:00.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% wouldn't it have been better 07:00.800 --> 07:04.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% for him to say I am sitting 07:04.900 --> 07:05.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% this out. 07:05.266 --> 07:06.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> It would have been a lot 07:06.433 --> 07:08.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% less messy I think and I think 07:08.100 --> 07:10.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% often when you are explaining, 07:10.333 --> 07:11.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% he has gotten himself into 07:11.533 --> 07:13.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that area where he is going to 07:13.266 --> 07:15.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% have to be explaining either 07:15.633 --> 07:16.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% way, more than endorsing. 07:16.266 --> 07:17.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> He should get a job as the 07:17.666 --> 07:18.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% head of a public university. 07:18.900 --> 07:21.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Take that job and check out. 07:21.300 --> 07:22.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Then he can get out of 24 07:22.933 --> 07:23.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% altogether. 07:23.533 --> 07:24.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> Time now for viewer 07:24.833 --> 07:29.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% feedback. Each week we post an 07:29.700 --> 07:30.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% unscientific full question and 07:30.666 --> 07:34.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% this week the question is: 07:34.466 --> 07:35.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Will Governor Eric Holcomb's 07:35.400 --> 07:36.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% endorsement in the 07:36.133 --> 07:37.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% gubernatorial race make an 07:37.100 --> 07:43.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% impact? And last week we asked 07:43.566 --> 07:44.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% whether you were surprised 07:44.566 --> 07:45.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that Senator Todd Young won't 07:45.800 --> 07:47.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% back Donald Trump for the GOP 07:47.233 --> 07:48.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% nomination for president. 59% 07:48.233 --> 07:51.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% said no. If you want to take 07:51.033 --> 07:55.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% part in the poll go to 07:55.766 --> 07:57.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% wfyi.org/iwir and look for the 07:57.000 --> 07:57.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% poll. 07:57.300 --> 07:59.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> Healthcare prices in 07:59.733 --> 08:01.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Indiana are among the highest 08:01.000 --> 08:06.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% in the nation and lawmakers 08:06.766 --> 08:08.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% try to address it with a pair 08:08.500 --> 08:10.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% of bills. 1 of them takes aim 08:10.133 --> 08:11.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% at Indian's largest nonprofit 08:11.100 --> 08:13.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% hospital systems. 08:13.266 --> 08:14.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> The bills original language 08:14.433 --> 08:15.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% called for penalties if 08:15.366 --> 08:16.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% hospitals charge higher than a 08:16.633 --> 08:17.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% certain benchmark. But the 08:17.566 --> 08:19.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% version signed into law by the 08:19.500 --> 08:20.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% governor instead establishes a 08:20.466 --> 08:32.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% healthcare cost oversight 08:32.500 --> 08:34.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% , to study a range of issues 08:34.166 --> 08:35.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% related to healthcare costs in 08:35.466 --> 08:36.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the state and recommend ways 08:36.666 --> 08:37.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% to reduce them. The measure 08:37.833 --> 08:38.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% also requires a third-party 08:38.800 --> 08:39.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% contractor to look at the 08:39.966 --> 08:40.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% prices of Indiana's five 08:40.933 --> 08:41.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% biggest hospital systems and 08:41.900 --> 08:43.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% compare them to a new, higher 08:43.333 --> 08:44.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% benchmark 285% of what 08:44.300 --> 08:45.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Medicare pays. Gloria Sachdev 08:45.233 --> 08:46.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% with the employer's form of 08:46.433 --> 08:50.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Indiana says nonetheless, the 08:50.500 --> 08:51.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% spool two bill moves the 08:51.033 --> 08:51.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% needle significantly. 08:51.600 --> 08:52.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> It's the best bill we've 08:52.300 --> 08:53.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% had ever that actually is 08:53.500 --> 08:57.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% going to help reduce prices. 08:57.066 --> 08:58.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> But hospital leaders take 08:58.200 --> 08:59.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% issue with the way the bill 08:59.633 --> 09:00.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% singles out certain hospitals 09:00.633 --> 09:01.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that they say lawmakers are 09:01.866 --> 09:03.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% not doing enough to address 09:03.466 --> 09:04.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the states low Medicaid 09:04.433 --> 09:05.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% reimbursement rates, which 09:05.200 --> 09:06.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% they say drives them to raise 09:06.600 --> 09:07.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% their prices, or to address 09:07.766 --> 09:09.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the role of insurance 09:09.800 --> 09:10.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% companies and drugmakers in 09:10.766 --> 09:11.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% driving up healthcare costs. 09:11.733 --> 09:12.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% The bill also includes 09:12.800 --> 09:14.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% language to crack down on 09:14.000 --> 09:15.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% so-called facility fees that 09:15.033 --> 09:16.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% hospitals might tack on to 09:16.466 --> 09:17.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% medical bills even if the 09:17.700 --> 09:18.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% services were provided in 09:18.666 --> 09:23.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% nonhospital settings. 09:23.333 --> 09:24.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> Mike O'Brien will this bill 09:24.666 --> 09:25.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% actually help lower healthcare 09:25.666 --> 09:28.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% costs for users? 09:28.433 --> 09:29.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> If you believe what the 09:29.766 --> 09:30.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% hospitals are saying, yeah. 09:30.766 --> 09:32.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I've worked in the payer side 09:32.233 --> 09:34.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% for a long time. Just to let 09:34.833 --> 09:35.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% you know, I was pretty 09:35.966 --> 09:37.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% involved in this over the 09:37.233 --> 09:38.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% years but what do we do in 09:38.933 --> 09:40.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% healthcare? We buy it from 09:40.133 --> 09:43.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Hoss bubbles mostly. When you 09:43.966 --> 09:45.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% get the rub with lowering 09:45.200 --> 09:46.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% healthcare costs as you are 09:46.433 --> 09:47.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% reducing or bending, or 09:47.400 --> 09:49.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% reducing the increase, what 09:49.366 --> 09:50.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% you're really doing, in the 09:50.566 --> 09:52.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% amount of money you are 09:52.466 --> 09:53.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% sending to providers. So when 09:53.666 --> 09:54.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the providers say this will 09:54.900 --> 09:56.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% hurt us, the are right. That 09:56.400 --> 09:59.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% was the point because we had 09:59.800 --> 10:01.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the highest hospital costs in 10:01.033 --> 10:06.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the country. And we had the 10:06.600 --> 10:07.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% nonprofits sitting on billions 10:07.566 --> 10:09.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% of dollars in surplus Is what 10:09.033 --> 10:10.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% attracted the attention of the 10:10.233 --> 10:10.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% legislator, particularly the 10:10.966 --> 10:12.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% speaker of the house. You try 10:12.433 --> 10:14.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% to do something with the start 10:14.333 --> 10:15.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the one issue that no one 10:15.800 --> 10:16.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% really talks about because it 10:16.966 --> 10:18.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% is technical is the hospitals 10:18.200 --> 10:19.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% for a long time, there is a 10:19.866 --> 10:21.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% concept of sight of service. 10:21.066 --> 10:22.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% What type of facility do you 10:22.500 --> 10:27.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% have? Is it in a strip mall or 10:27.133 --> 10:28.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% is it a giant hospital. It 10:28.600 --> 10:29.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% requires a different 10:29.333 --> 10:30.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% reimbursement rate. Or years 10:30.300 --> 10:31.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% hospitals billed at the higher 10:31.533 --> 10:35.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% rate and make it illegal. 10:35.633 --> 10:36.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Congress introduced a bill 10:36.600 --> 10:37.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% this week to make that 10:37.800 --> 10:39.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% illegal. I think it will and 10:39.266 --> 10:40.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% its most significant bill they 10:40.466 --> 10:41.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% have passed. And there are 10:41.700 --> 10:43.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% some unique concepts in here 10:43.466 --> 10:57.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that the rate, of huge 10:57.366 --> 10:59.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% For they have some skin in the 10:59.066 --> 11:00.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% game to pave the outcome. 11:00.333 --> 11:01.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Whatever the patient outcome 11:01.266 --> 11:02.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% is affects the reimbursement 11:02.233 --> 11:03.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% rate that it was pretty 11:03.433 --> 11:04.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% creative that how the house in 11:04.866 --> 11:06.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% particular and the Senate in 11:06.133 --> 11:07.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the second half of the Senate 11:07.633 --> 11:09.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% -- session, if you believe the 11:09.500 --> 11:10.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% hospitals it will have an 11:10.033 --> 11:10.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% impact. 11:10.366 --> 11:11.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> So the hospitals, some of 11:11.000 --> 11:16.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% them I think, there like there 11:16.200 --> 11:17.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% is nothing wrong with our 11:17.400 --> 11:18.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% prices whatsoever. Some 11:18.133 --> 11:19.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% hospitals are like yeah we 11:19.366 --> 11:20.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% need to collectively look at 11:20.566 --> 11:21.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the start the hospital problem 11:21.800 --> 11:23.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% seems to be your only looking 11:23.133 --> 11:29.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% at us. Is that the biggest 11:29.566 --> 11:30.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% issue with this 11:30.033 --> 11:31.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% legislation? >> I think one of 11:31.300 --> 11:32.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the failings of the whole 11:32.500 --> 11:33.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% process is the fact that the 11:33.966 --> 11:34.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% hospitals were called into 11:34.900 --> 11:35.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% question. Not the insurance 11:35.866 --> 11:36.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% companies. And not the 11:36.866 --> 11:37.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% pharmaceutical companies. They 11:37.600 --> 11:38.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% weren't brought to the table 11:38.833 --> 11:40.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% on this at the same rate. 11:40.300 --> 11:41.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Hospitals also said "Hey, 11:41.233 --> 11:43.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Medicaid reimbursement are a 11:43.333 --> 11:44.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% big problem when it comes to 11:44.766 --> 11:46.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% passing on costs " that 11:46.566 --> 11:48.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Medicaid reimbursement 11:48.933 --> 11:52.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% lighting in Indiana, they 11:52.333 --> 11:53.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% afforded some relief to 11:53.300 --> 11:54.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% practitioners but not the 11:54.300 --> 11:55.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% hospitals. That is a problem. 11:55.466 --> 11:58.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% So, this bill has some good 11:58.533 --> 12:00.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% stuff in it, sure. Moving the 12:00.066 --> 12:02.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ball forward but there are 12:02.800 --> 12:05.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% some ways that it is really 12:05.000 --> 12:07.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% lacking and I don't know that 12:07.066 --> 12:08.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% because of that we will see 12:08.666 --> 12:10.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% certainly not an immediate 12:10.766 --> 12:15.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% impact but I'm not sure it is 12:15.000 --> 12:15.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% going to help in the way that 12:15.633 --> 12:16.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% people are really struggling 12:16.233 --> 12:16.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% and need that help. 12:16.833 --> 12:19.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> As of this week we are home 12:19.066 --> 12:20.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% to the most valuable drugmaker 12:20.333 --> 12:24.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% on the planet. 12:24.066 --> 12:25.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> Is that part of the 12:25.433 --> 12:26.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% problem? Is the fact that 12:26.633 --> 12:29.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% there are some influential 12:29.800 --> 12:30.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% insurance and drugmakers here 12:30.800 --> 12:40.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% in Indiana. 12:40.033 --> 12:40.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> There were some other 12:40.533 --> 12:41.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% bills, there was a pharmacy 12:41.100 --> 12:41.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% benefit manager bill that 12:41.633 --> 12:42.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% looked at some of these 12:42.133 --> 12:42.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% issues. 12:42.466 --> 12:43.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> I want to talk about that 12:43.033 --> 12:43.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% more. 12:43.333 --> 12:43.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> There were some other bills 12:43.966 --> 12:45.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that I think all of them, if 12:45.500 --> 12:47.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% you looked at all of them as a 12:47.433 --> 12:48.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% package, they obviously 12:48.133 --> 12:49.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% started very aggressive and 12:49.633 --> 12:51.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% kind of slowly pulled back. On 12:51.433 --> 12:57.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% one hand, if the hospital, you 12:57.600 --> 12:59.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% could say in your mind, if 12:59.100 --> 13:05.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% hospitals are so scared, then 13:05.633 --> 13:07.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% it must really have an impact 13:07.100 --> 13:08.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% right? But on the other hand, 13:08.533 --> 13:10.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% and what I heard from some 13:10.000 --> 13:10.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% lawmakers especially in rural 13:10.900 --> 13:12.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% areas, is that they are 13:12.066 --> 13:13.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% worried about hospitals and 13:13.066 --> 13:14.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% providers will say "I'm out ". 13:14.466 --> 13:16.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% And we already live in a state 13:16.166 --> 13:17.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% where most counties in this 13:17.366 --> 13:18.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% state don't have a hospital. 13:18.566 --> 13:26.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% So there is a fine balance 13:26.100 --> 13:26.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% between what lawmakers are 13:26.666 --> 13:27.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% trying to do. 13:27.100 --> 13:27.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> To that and then, because 13:27.766 --> 13:29.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that is part of the concern 13:29.166 --> 13:30.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% here, this bill in particular 13:30.333 --> 13:31.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% really only targeted 13:31.000 --> 13:32.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% hospitals. So as Nikki pointed 13:32.166 --> 13:34.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% out, this was a lot more 13:34.633 --> 13:35.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% aggressive when you're talking 13:35.600 --> 13:37.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% about penalties that that is 13:37.166 --> 13:39.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% significant. And they pulled 13:39.133 --> 13:41.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% way back from that to "We will 13:41.133 --> 13:44.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% have somebody look at them and 13:44.133 --> 13:45.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% them will have a task force 13:45.566 --> 13:47.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% look at them". Did they pull 13:47.000 --> 13:57.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% back too far? 13:57.633 --> 13:58.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Or did they pull back enough 13:58.200 --> 13:58.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% to make sure that hospital 13:58.766 --> 13:59.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% stay open? 13:59.166 --> 13:59.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> That is the big question. 13:59.766 --> 14:00.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Keep in mind as we've 14:00.933 --> 14:02.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% discussed before, this is not 14:02.133 --> 14:03.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% a Republican versus Democratic 14:03.133 --> 14:04.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% issue. It is much more 14:04.333 --> 14:05.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% geography-based and is my 14:05.300 --> 14:06.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% district home to a hospital 14:06.500 --> 14:07.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that fits this description and 14:07.866 --> 14:11.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% would be in a precarious 14:11.233 --> 14:12.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% financially position if this 14:12.233 --> 14:16.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% had been enacted as originally 14:16.433 --> 14:16.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% introduced. 14:16.833 --> 14:17.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> It is no surprise why 14:17.700 --> 14:18.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% hospitals were the target 14:18.700 --> 14:19.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% here. The surplus that we 14:19.900 --> 14:27.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% heard so much about,... 14:27.600 --> 14:28.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> Particularly at nonprofit 14:28.166 --> 14:28.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% hospitals 14:28.533 --> 14:29.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that >> Some nonprofit 14:29.033 --> 14:29.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% hospitals which is another 14:29.833 --> 14:31.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% point probably makes us even 14:31.066 --> 14:33.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% more complicated. But when you 14:33.733 --> 14:35.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% look at, as you pointed out in 14:35.400 --> 14:38.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the open, the reimbursement, I 14:38.833 --> 14:40.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% should say the cost is among 14:40.266 --> 14:41.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the highest in the country but 14:41.700 --> 14:42.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% physician reimbursements are 14:42.433 --> 14:43.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% among the lowest if not the 14:43.900 --> 14:47.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% lowest. So if you look at 14:47.100 --> 14:48.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% those two factors alone, and I 14:48.533 --> 14:54.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% know there are other issues, 14:54.366 --> 14:55.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% but if doctors are getting the 14:55.800 --> 14:56.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% money, where's the money 14:56.800 --> 14:58.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% going? It is going into the 14:58.233 --> 14:59.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% system and where does it come 14:59.700 --> 15:01.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% out? It makes an easy target 15:01.166 --> 15:02.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% but the other point is that 15:02.666 --> 15:03.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% you are right, nonprofit is 15:03.866 --> 15:04.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% not nonprofit is not 15:04.800 --> 15:05.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% nonprofit. There are those 15:05.700 --> 15:06.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that are barely scraping by 15:06.900 --> 15:08.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% and there are others that were 15:08.366 --> 15:10.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% in a position to give half $1 15:10.100 --> 15:11.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% billion contribution to for 15:11.100 --> 15:12.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% instance the IV medical 15:12.100 --> 15:24.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% school. And trying to come up 15:24.433 --> 15:24.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% A mechanism that encourages 15:24.966 --> 15:25.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% cost efficiency across the 15:25.533 --> 15:26.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% whole spectrum is pretty tough 15:26.166 --> 15:26.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% because they don't look like 15:26.766 --> 15:27.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% and don't operate like 15:27.366 --> 15:27.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that >> Hospitals don't exist 15:27.966 --> 15:28.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% in a vacuum. Healthcare field 15:28.600 --> 15:29.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% is much more vast. 15:36.300 --> 15:37.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> Some of what leads to 15:37.700 --> 15:38.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% incredibly high healthcare 15:38.400 --> 15:40.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% costs in Indiana is we are an 15:40.133 --> 15:41.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% unhealthy state which is 15:41.133 --> 15:42.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% partly why we are doing this 15:42.533 --> 15:43.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% public health Bush and mental 15:43.700 --> 15:45.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% health push and all that done 15:45.100 --> 15:47.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% it is good. Let me ask you won 15:47.066 --> 15:48.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% last question Mike, is this 15:48.233 --> 15:49.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% it? Are they going to take a 15:49.866 --> 15:52.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% little bit of a... I don't 15:52.333 --> 15:54.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% mean ever but is this like OK 15:54.000 --> 15:54.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% we've done something let's 15:54.966 --> 15:56.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% give it a few years and see 15:56.700 --> 16:01.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% what happens. Are we coming 16:01.566 --> 16:01.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% back next 16:01.933 --> 16:03.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% year? >> I think this is 16:03.166 --> 16:04.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% pretty significant. This was a 16:04.400 --> 16:05.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% huge lift and undertaking by a 16:05.833 --> 16:07.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% lot of legislators in the 16:07.066 --> 16:08.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% House and Senate and both 16:08.233 --> 16:09.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% parties. There is always 16:09.233 --> 16:10.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% something done we are always 16:10.433 --> 16:16.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% around the edges of one off 16:16.433 --> 16:16.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% healthcare problems and 16:16.933 --> 16:17.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% experience in what had they 16:17.500 --> 16:17.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% didn't like 16:17.900 --> 16:18.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that >> I don't think we'll 16:18.466 --> 16:19.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% have a choice, we are doing 16:19.866 --> 16:22.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the unwinding from the COVID 16:22.266 --> 16:22.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% era, Medicaid eligibility and 16:22.966 --> 16:23.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% so, >> That's the next 16:23.433 --> 16:23.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% problem. 16:28.633 --> 16:30.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> The argument you made is 16:30.100 --> 16:31.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the same one hospitals 16:31.066 --> 16:32.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% advanced at the beginning of 16:32.333 --> 16:33.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the session saying we are 16:33.500 --> 16:34.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% waiting for some of the 16:34.666 --> 16:35.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% earlier prescriptive measures 16:35.366 --> 16:36.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% tht were imposed earlier to 16:36.633 --> 16:38.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% bear fruit. We are not there 16:38.233 --> 16:45.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% yet. So already we are making 16:45.266 --> 16:45.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the argument even before this 16:45.866 --> 16:46.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% legislation was enacted. 16:46.500 --> 16:47.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> Attorney generally -- 16:47.900 --> 16:48.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% attorney Attorney General Todd 16:48.866 --> 16:57.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Rokita told WIS HDV, that 16:57.266 --> 16:58.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Governor Eric Holcomb should 16:58.233 --> 16:58.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% join a few other Republican 16:58.833 --> 16:59.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% governors in sending National 16:59.433 --> 16:59.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Guard and law enforcement 16:59.966 --> 17:00.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% personnel to the country 17:00.566 --> 17:00.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% southern border. 17:07.266 --> 17:08.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> Texas Governor Greg Abbott 17:08.500 --> 17:09.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% recently sent a letter to the 17:09.900 --> 17:10.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% nascent governors requesting 17:10.633 --> 17:11.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% support in immigration 17:11.366 --> 17:12.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% enforcement after the Biden 17:12.333 --> 17:13.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% administration lifted title 42 17:13.266 --> 17:14.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% is pandemic your policy that 17:14.500 --> 17:15.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% had shut down almost all 17:15.700 --> 17:16.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% avenues for migrants to seek 17:16.933 --> 17:21.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% asylum in the US. Holcomb and 17:21.133 --> 17:22.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% 23 other governors reluctantly 17:22.166 --> 17:22.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% signed onto a statement from 17:22.766 --> 17:23.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the Republican Governors 17:23.300 --> 17:23.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Association supporting 17:23.800 --> 17:24.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Abbott's efforts on the 17:24.300 --> 17:24.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% border. 17:24.833 --> 17:38.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> A statement supporting 17:38.000 --> 17:38.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% That a lot of Governor signed 17:38.566 --> 17:39.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% onto his wanting, personnel 17:39.133 --> 17:39.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% and resources are an entirely 17:39.733 --> 17:40.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% different thing. What does 17:40.300 --> 17:40.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Holcomb do 17:40.700 --> 17:41.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% here? >> Right now they are 17:41.266 --> 17:41.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% standing pat. I reached out 17:41.866 --> 17:43.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% this week and asked and they 17:43.100 --> 17:44.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% said, "We have had 22 National 17:44.566 --> 17:45.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Guard members down here for 17:45.833 --> 17:47.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% maybe the last year. As part 17:47.266 --> 17:51.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% of a smaller issue but... It's 17:51.066 --> 17:52.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% part of a federal mission so 17:52.500 --> 17:53.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% they weren't really in charge 17:53.733 --> 17:55.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% of that order. But right now, 17:55.166 --> 17:56.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% they don't have any plans to 17:56.566 --> 18:03.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% do more to I think, yeah, I 18:03.533 --> 18:04.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% think he's in a tight position 18:04.933 --> 18:06.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% on that one. Because other 18:06.166 --> 18:07.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% states are starting to react 18:07.400 --> 18:09.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% and send down there. And Todd 18:09.600 --> 18:10.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Rokita especially is making it 18:10.700 --> 18:11.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% hard for the governor. 18:11.866 --> 18:17.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> Would making this decision, 18:17.066 --> 18:18.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% let's not pretend that 18:18.066 --> 18:22.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% politics never enters the 18:22.533 --> 18:23.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% governor's mind while making a 18:23.866 --> 18:25.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% decision as much as he might 18:25.333 --> 18:26.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% say otherwise sometimes. But 18:26.333 --> 18:30.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% is making it easier for Eric 18:30.033 --> 18:31.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Holcomb who is not running for 18:31.433 --> 18:32.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% anything in 2024, not as far 18:32.900 --> 18:34.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% as we are aware that so that 18:34.600 --> 18:38.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% politics here don't impact him 18:38.600 --> 18:39.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% nearly as much. 18:39.066 --> 18:39.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> They probably don't impact 18:39.933 --> 18:41.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% him as much as those 18:41.066 --> 18:42.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% individuals who are running 18:42.033 --> 18:43.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% and trying to advance the 18:43.266 --> 18:44.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% narrative that there is a 18:44.466 --> 18:47.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% crisis. An unprecedented 18:47.100 --> 18:48.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% crisis on the southern borders 18:48.300 --> 18:50.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% and this is a threat to our 18:50.933 --> 18:51.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% very democracy and existence. 18:51.933 --> 18:54.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Which most accounts suggest 18:54.400 --> 18:56.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that is not the case. There is 18:56.500 --> 18:57.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% another big problem here about 18:57.733 --> 19:00.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the legality of these 19:00.866 --> 19:02.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% individuals that now, you can 19:02.266 --> 19:04.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% use generally speaking, guard 19:04.866 --> 19:07.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% individuals men and women in 19:07.133 --> 19:09.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% law enforcement roles. Some 19:09.166 --> 19:16.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% states have said, we won't 19:16.866 --> 19:17.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% send our National Guard 19:17.866 --> 19:19.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% troops, we will send state 19:19.100 --> 19:20.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% troopers or we will send 19:20.366 --> 19:22.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% criminal investigators. There 19:22.166 --> 19:23.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% is no certainty they have any 19:23.633 --> 19:24.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% legal authority in the state 19:24.800 --> 19:26.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% of Texas. And in fact, there 19:26.233 --> 19:27.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% is a pretty large contingent 19:27.466 --> 19:32.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% of legal, a scholarship that 19:32.733 --> 19:33.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% suggested they try to make 19:33.933 --> 19:35.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% arrests of people that are 19:35.133 --> 19:36.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% crossing the border and so 19:36.333 --> 19:37.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% forth, they could be subject 19:37.533 --> 19:38.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% to wrongful arrest or 19:38.500 --> 19:41.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% essentially, legal challenges 19:41.733 --> 19:42.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that for an improper arrest 19:42.966 --> 19:44.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% where they have no authority. 19:44.166 --> 19:47.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% And because of that, and Texas 19:47.533 --> 19:48.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I think even recognizes that, 19:48.733 --> 19:51.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% you have Ohio State troopers 19:51.566 --> 19:52.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% in the past year that 19:52.733 --> 19:53.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% essentially because of this 19:53.700 --> 19:54.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% issue were cleaning out the 19:54.933 --> 19:56.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% horse stables. The manure in 19:56.100 --> 19:57.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the horse stables that the 19:57.333 --> 20:00.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% border patrol agents used. So 20:00.233 --> 20:05.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I guess that frees up agent to 20:05.300 --> 20:06.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% clean out manure in the barn 20:06.766 --> 20:10.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% but it's not as if they're 20:10.466 --> 20:11.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% going down to be the frontline 20:11.100 --> 20:11.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Vanguard of defending the 20:11.633 --> 20:11.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% borders 20:11.966 --> 20:12.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that >> Manure in the barn 20:12.666 --> 20:20.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% start >> Let me ask this 20:20.233 --> 20:21.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% question because I think the 20:21.433 --> 20:22.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% average person thinks of the 20:22.600 --> 20:23.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% National Guard and law 20:23.566 --> 20:24.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% enforcement very differently. 20:24.333 --> 20:25.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% We often see the Indiana 20:25.600 --> 20:26.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% National Guard being sent to 20:26.766 --> 20:27.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% other states to help with 20:27.966 --> 20:28.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% disaster recovery and that's 20:28.933 --> 20:30.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% an important function in the 20:30.133 --> 20:31.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% National Guard place across 20:31.600 --> 20:32.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the country. Sending them to 20:32.833 --> 20:34.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Texas to do something to the 20:34.333 --> 20:37.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% average Hoosier would go, we 20:37.166 --> 20:38.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% send them to other states all 20:38.600 --> 20:39.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the time. But sending Indiana 20:39.866 --> 20:44.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% police to another state and 20:44.533 --> 20:45.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% theoretically then taking them 20:45.533 --> 20:46.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% away from Indiana and 20:46.500 --> 20:47.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% protecting people here at 20:47.066 --> 20:47.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% home, is that a good 20:47.633 --> 20:51.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% idea? >> That's a consequence 20:51.000 --> 20:52.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% of doing that for sure. What I 20:52.700 --> 20:56.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% think Todd Rokita has a point. 20:56.466 --> 20:57.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> That hasn't been set on 20:57.833 --> 21:00.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% this show. (Laughs) 21:00.500 --> 21:05.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> This has changed 21:05.900 --> 21:06.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% drastically, in April 2020 21:06.866 --> 21:07.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% there were 17,000 border 21:07.833 --> 21:13.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% crossings and in 2023 there 21:13.666 --> 21:14.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% were 211,000. The argument 21:14.733 --> 21:15.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that why would Indiana redo 21:15.933 --> 21:17.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that? It's in Arizona or Texas 21:17.400 --> 21:18.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% problem. The argument is, this 21:18.933 --> 21:20.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% is starting to affect all 21:20.166 --> 21:21.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% major metropolitan cities. As 21:21.866 --> 21:23.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the sheer volume of the 21:23.133 --> 21:27.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% migration coming in, they're 21:27.466 --> 21:29.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% going to El Paso but they are 21:29.133 --> 21:32.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% going everywhere. I am not 21:32.633 --> 21:33.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% saying that we should send 21:33.866 --> 21:35.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% National Guard for that reason 21:35.066 --> 21:36.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that it depletes resources 21:36.033 --> 21:47.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% here but it does call into, it 21:47.033 --> 21:47.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% brings into focus that this is 21:47.666 --> 21:48.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% a national problem that it is 21:48.266 --> 21:48.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% not a southern border state 21:48.833 --> 21:49.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% problem anymore. 21:49.333 --> 21:49.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> It has been and we've 21:49.866 --> 21:50.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% needed immigration reform for 21:50.500 --> 21:52.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% a long time. The fact that the 21:52.166 --> 21:53.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% notion that these types of 21:53.333 --> 22:01.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% immigrants coming in and 22:01.166 --> 22:02.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% people who need to seek asylum 22:02.633 --> 22:04.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% and are looking for a better 22:04.100 --> 22:05.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% life is everyone's problem is 22:05.300 --> 22:06.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% not a Todd Rokita thing. That 22:06.733 --> 22:07.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% is a collective... 22:07.800 --> 22:09.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> I don't want to get out of 22:09.633 --> 22:10.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% this topic without asking the 22:10.866 --> 22:12.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% question, I will ask you. A 22:12.266 --> 22:13.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% lot of the attention right now 22:13.666 --> 22:15.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% is because title 42 ended, you 22:15.166 --> 22:16.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% can feel one way or another 22:16.600 --> 22:19.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% about whether that policy 22:19.066 --> 22:20.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% should've been in place this 22:20.266 --> 22:21.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% whole time or whether it 22:21.533 --> 22:23.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% should still be in place, but 22:23.033 --> 22:24.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% it ended. You are seeing a 22:24.500 --> 22:25.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% greater influx of migrants, 22:25.700 --> 22:27.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% some people think it's a good 22:27.133 --> 22:35.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% thing. If you are an asylum 22:35.000 --> 22:36.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% seeker we should give you 22:36.233 --> 22:37.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% shelter. Is this a huge 22:37.400 --> 22:38.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% feeling of the Biden 22:38.300 --> 22:39.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% administration to not at least 22:39.500 --> 22:41.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% be more visibly responding to 22:41.300 --> 22:41.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% what is clearly a 22:41.800 --> 22:42.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% crisis? >> I think every 22:42.733 --> 22:43.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% administration over the last 22:43.666 --> 22:44.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% couple of decades that has 22:44.900 --> 22:45.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% failed to move the 22:45.866 --> 22:47.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% conversation forward or past 22:47.033 --> 22:47.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% immigration reform, has 22:47.800 --> 22:55.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% failed. It is a critique you 22:55.733 --> 22:56.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% will hear of the 22:56.700 --> 22:57.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% administration from my 22:57.366 --> 22:58.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% community, the Hispanic and 22:58.333 --> 22:59.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Latino community, so we need 22:59.500 --> 23:01.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% to do more than back to the 23:01.233 --> 23:02.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% question at hand, is sending 23:02.433 --> 23:04.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% our state resources down to 23:04.300 --> 23:07.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% some Yosemite Sam mission by 23:07.600 --> 23:08.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Texas governor, the answer 23:08.600 --> 23:14.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% probably not. And I think 23:14.833 --> 23:16.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% there is a lot of fear 23:16.266 --> 23:17.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% mongering when it comes to 23:17.433 --> 23:18.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% this issue that happens in our 23:18.800 --> 23:20.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% state that many people have 23:20.000 --> 23:21.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% bought into it. But it is 23:21.400 --> 23:22.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% usually a political statement. 23:22.366 --> 23:27.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% It is not actually sending our 23:27.000 --> 23:27.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% resources that that is why I 23:27.600 --> 23:28.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% think the difference in the 23:28.166 --> 23:28.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% conversation. 23:28.600 --> 23:29.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> A national and federal 23:29.133 --> 23:29.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% problem are not synonymous and 23:29.833 --> 23:31.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that is why we don't have 23:31.266 --> 23:32.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% states sending up their 23:32.200 --> 23:32.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% helicopters to intercept 23:32.733 --> 23:33.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Chinese surveillance balloons. 23:36.000 --> 23:40.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> And I am waiting to see... 23:40.066 --> 23:41.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% For political reason, what if 23:41.300 --> 23:42.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% a president who is a 23:42.466 --> 23:43.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% commander-in-chief tells their 23:43.433 --> 23:44.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% National Guard unit to do 23:44.666 --> 23:48.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% something other... Which is 23:48.100 --> 23:49.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% when you have a constitutional 23:49.433 --> 23:50.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% crisis. That is why generally 23:50.600 --> 23:52.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% speaking, these are, this is a 23:52.233 --> 23:55.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% federal domain. Traditionally 23:55.900 --> 23:57.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% done >> It feels to me again, 23:57.866 --> 24:03.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I don't know what the Biden 24:03.966 --> 24:04.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% administration is doing here. 24:04.966 --> 24:06.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Maybe they are doing something 24:06.200 --> 24:07.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% but I don't think we know what 24:07.866 --> 24:09.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that is. That in and of itself 24:09.566 --> 24:11.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% is... There is a lot of 24:11.033 --> 24:15.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% politics going on here but if 24:15.300 --> 24:16.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% a bunch of people in 24:16.500 --> 24:17.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% conservative states the 24:17.300 --> 24:18.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% federal government trying to 24:18.266 --> 24:19.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% address the issue in a more 24:19.733 --> 24:22.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% significant way to respond to 24:22.900 --> 24:24.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% this, I will quality crisis, 24:24.100 --> 24:25.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% whether the people should be 24:25.266 --> 24:27.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% here or not it is a crisis. So 24:27.200 --> 24:28.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% without them doing something 24:28.133 --> 24:29.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% - more visible, it feels like at 24:29.733 --> 24:44.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% least, leaves the door 24:44.233 --> 24:44.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% For folks to say we have to go 24:44.833 --> 24:45.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% do something. 24:45.266 --> 24:45.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> It is a continuation of a 24:45.833 --> 24:46.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% very dangerous political 24:46.366 --> 24:47.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% discourse that it is heaped on 24:47.000 --> 24:47.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% top of that. 24:47.433 --> 24:48.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> Finally the state unveil 24:48.000 --> 24:48.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% some new highway signs this 24:48.600 --> 24:49.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% week that welcoming people to 24:49.266 --> 24:49.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Indiana, the new signs 24:49.800 --> 24:50.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% incorporate the tourism 24:50.533 --> 24:51.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% campaign in Indiana by reading 24:51.733 --> 24:55.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% more to discover in Indiana. 24:55.633 --> 24:58.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% What is your in Indiana pitch. 24:59.566 --> 25:03.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> Race in Indiana? 25:03.700 --> 25:05.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> I 25:05.766 --> 25:09.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% like >> Especially since were 25:09.600 --> 25:10.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% doing ahead of the 500. 25:12.733 --> 25:14.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> Try not to make the joke of 25:14.666 --> 25:19.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% going backwards in time. 25:19.766 --> 25:20.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> That tourism campaign 25:20.266 --> 25:20.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% brought up a lot of that from 25:20.866 --> 25:21.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% a lot of people. 25:21.366 --> 25:22.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> I only have things I can't 25:22.000 --> 25:25.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% say publicly. Everything in my 25:25.633 --> 25:26.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% mind are inappropriate things 25:26.333 --> 25:27.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that >> That was the struggle 25:27.200 --> 25:31.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% with the in Indiana campaign 25:31.266 --> 25:33.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% got >> Take it all in and a 25:33.100 --> 25:34.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% lot can happen in Indiana 25:34.333 --> 25:35.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% mild. 25:35.433 --> 25:36.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> Today have to pass for 25:36.033 --> 25:37.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that? >> That's why I am 25:37.233 --> 25:40.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% suggesting it. That's Indiana 25:40.700 --> 25:42.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Week in Review for this week 25:42.133 --> 25:43.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that our panel is Democrat 25:43.366 --> 25:44.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Elise Shrock, publican Mike 25:44.366 --> 26:03.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% O'Brien, 26:03.333 --> 26:04.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Shortness of Indiana Lawmakers 26:04.300 --> 26:05.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% and Niki Kelly of the Indiana 26:05.766 --> 26:06.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Capital Chronicle. 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