1 00:00:00,007 --> 00:00:00,007 >> Jim Shella: ON HOLD...WHY THE 2 00:00:00,007 --> 00:00:00,013 GAY MARRIAGE DEBATE WILL WAIT 3 00:00:00,013 --> 00:00:00,026 UNTIL NEXT YEAR... 4 00:00:00,026 --> 00:00:00,007 SUNDAY SALES...THE ATTLE OVER 5 00:00:00,007 --> 00:00:00,025 BOOZE... 6 00:00:00,025 --> 00:00:02,003 SCHOOL VOUCHERS, SUSAN BROOKS ON 7 00:00:02,003 --> 00:00:03,009 A BIG STAGE, AND RECONSIDERING 8 00:00:03,009 --> 00:00:04,018 THE SUPER BOWL BID... 9 00:00:04,018 --> 00:00:05,027 THAT, PLUS THE PENCE FAMILY 10 00:00:05,027 --> 00:00:07,001 MOVES INTO THE GOVERNOR'S 11 00:00:07,001 --> 00:00:08,017 RESIDENCE AND MORE ON "Indiana 12 00:00:08,017 --> 00:00:10,012 Week in Review" FOR THE WEEK 13 00:00:14,004 --> 00:00:17,004 ENDING FEBRUARY 8, 2013. 14 00:01:17,009 --> 00:01:18,014 >> THISSWEEK, THE EFFORT TO 15 00:01:18,014 --> 00:01:19,017 CREATE A CONSTITUTIONAL BAN ON 16 00:01:19,017 --> 00:01:21,000 SAME SEX MARRIAGE IN INDIANA WAS 17 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:22,027 PLACED ON HOLD. 18 00:01:22,027 --> 00:01:24,008 THE ANNOUNCEMENT CAME FROM THE 19 00:01:24,008 --> 00:01:25,015 GOP LEADERS OF THE HOUSE AND 20 00:01:25,015 --> 00:01:26,024 SENATE WHO SAY THEY WANT TO SEE 21 00:01:26,024 --> 00:01:28,000 AN ANTICIPATED RULING FROM THE 22 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:29,013 U.S. SUPREME COURT, EXPECTED IN 23 00:01:29,013 --> 00:01:30,029 JULY, BEFORE THEY MOVE AHEAD. 24 00:01:30,029 --> 00:01:32,016 MEANTIME THE WISH-TV/BALL STATE 25 00:01:32,016 --> 00:01:34,027 HOOSIER SURVEY RECENTLY FOUND 26 00:01:34,027 --> 00:01:36,027 54-PERCENT OPPOSED TO THE 27 00:01:36,027 --> 00:01:38,021 AMENDMENT THAT WOULD ALSO BAN 28 00:01:38,021 --> 00:01:39,029 CIVIL UNIONS. 29 00:01:39,029 --> 00:01:41,010 THE HOOSIER SURVEY FOUND 30 00:01:41,010 --> 00:01:42,008 55-PERCENT IN FAVOR OF CIVIL 31 00:01:42,008 --> 00:01:43,011 UNIONS. 32 00:01:43,027 --> 00:01:46,027 PUBLIC OPINION IS SHIFTING... 33 00:01:46,027 --> 00:01:47,015 >> OUR CAUCUS HAS DECIDED TO 34 00:01:47,015 --> 00:01:49,015 WAIT UNTIL 35 00:01:49,015 --> 00:01:50,022 2014 TO TAKE A VOTE ON 36 00:01:50,022 --> 00:01:53,009 THIS ISSUE. 37 00:01:53,009 --> 00:01:55,009 >> THAT WE COULD FIND OURSELVES 38 00:01:55,009 --> 00:01:57,018 IN A VERY INADVISABLE SITUATION 39 00:01:57,018 --> 00:02:00,002 OF HAVING A MATTER ON THE BALLOT 40 00:02:00,002 --> 00:02:01,014 IN 2014 THAT HAS BEEN RULED 41 00:02:01,014 --> 00:02:02,020 UNCONSTITUTIONAL. 42 00:02:02,020 --> 00:02:03,022 >> WE THINK IT'S PRUDENT. 43 00:02:03,022 --> 00:02:05,005 WE THINK IT'S SMART. 44 00:02:05,005 --> 00:02:06,020 WE THINK WAITING UNTIL THE 45 00:02:06,020 --> 00:02:07,028 SUPREME COURT IS FINISHED IS THE 46 00:02:07,028 --> 00:02:08,027 RIGHT THING TO DO, SO WE'RE GLAD 47 00:02:08,027 --> 00:02:11,009 IT HAPPENED. 48 00:02:11,009 --> 00:02:12,016 >> IS A 2014 DEBATE ON GAY 49 00:02:12,016 --> 00:02:14,017 MARRIAGE GUARANTEED? 50 00:02:14,017 --> 00:02:15,017 IT'S THE FIRST QUESTION FOR OUR 51 00:02:15,017 --> 00:02:17,010 "INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW" PANEL: 52 00:02:17,010 --> 00:02:19,003 DEMOCRAT ANN DELANEY, REPUBLICAN 53 00:02:19,003 --> 00:02:20,023 MIKE MCDANIEL, JON SCHWANTES, 54 00:02:20,023 --> 00:02:22,003 THE HOST OF "INDIANA LAWMAKERS," 55 00:02:22,003 --> 00:02:23,017 AND JOHN KETZENBERGER, PRESIDENT 56 00:02:23,017 --> 00:02:24,015 OF THE INDIANA FISCAL POLICY 57 00:02:24,015 --> 00:02:26,007 INSTITUTE. 58 00:02:26,007 --> 00:02:27,007 I'M WISH-TV STATEHOUSE REPORTER 59 00:02:27,007 --> 00:02:28,022 JIM SHELLA. 60 00:02:28,022 --> 00:02:29,029 ANN DELANEY, IS THIS A STALLING 61 00:02:32,019 --> 00:02:33,023 . 62 00:02:33,023 --> 00:02:36,003 >> I DON'T KNOW IF AT STALLING 63 00:02:36,003 --> 00:02:38,011 TACTIC, BUT I THINK BOTH 64 00:02:38,011 --> 00:02:40,015 OF THEM DESERVE -- IT WILL 65 00:02:40,015 --> 00:02:42,003 PROBABLY HURT THEM BY SAYING 66 00:02:42,020 --> 00:02:45,020 THIS, BUT I HINK SENATOR LONG 67 00:02:45,020 --> 00:02:47,019 AND SPEAKER BOSMA 68 00:02:48,017 --> 00:02:51,017 DESERVE A LOT OF CREDIT, WE 69 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,000 SHOULDN'T HE KNOW CENTER 70 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:55,022 LINE SOMETHING IN THE 71 00:02:55,022 --> 00:02:57,024 CONSTITUTION SOMETHING THAT'S 72 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,000 CHANGING AS RAPIDLY AS THIS 73 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:01,019 ISSUE, I THINK IT'S GOOD 74 00:03:01,019 --> 00:03:04,015 MOVE TO DELAY FOR A YEAR, WE 75 00:03:04,015 --> 00:03:05,027 ALSO HAVE THE STATUTE IN 76 00:03:06,019 --> 00:03:09,019 PLACE,. 77 00:03:09,019 --> 00:03:11,014 >> GAY MARRIAGE ILLEGAL IN 78 00:03:11,014 --> 00:03:13,006 INDIANA AND SO THEY CAN 79 00:03:13,006 --> 00:03:15,002 LEAVE THAT ALONE, AND WHETHER A 80 00:03:15,002 --> 00:03:17,003 STALLING TACTIC OR ONE 81 00:03:17,003 --> 00:03:19,015 STEP TOWARD LETTING IT GO 82 00:03:19,015 --> 00:03:20,004 COMPLETELY, EITHER WAY IS 83 00:03:21,022 --> 00:03:24,022 GOD. 84 00:03:24,022 --> 00:03:27,002 >> SPEAKER BOSMA SAYS HE EXPECTS 85 00:03:27,002 --> 00:03:29,029 A DEBATE NEXT YEAR, TO 86 00:03:31,011 --> 00:03:34,011 PASS AND GO TO A REMEMBER 87 00:03:34,011 --> 00:03:35,006 REFERENDUM, ARE ATTITUDES 88 00:03:35,006 --> 00:03:36,000 SHIFTING FAST ENOUGH. 89 00:03:36,013 --> 00:03:39,013 >> I THINK ALL OF THE THINNS HE 90 00:03:39,013 --> 00:03:41,008 SAID ARE CORRECT, WE 91 00:03:41,008 --> 00:03:43,011 DON'T WANT THE SUPREME COURT TO 92 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,000 MAKE A DECISION THAT 93 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:48,009 WOULD CHANGE THE DECISION -- YOU 94 00:03:48,009 --> 00:03:49,003 CAN HAVE A REFERENDUM 95 00:03:49,003 --> 00:03:51,025 ON THE BALLOT THAT THE SUPREME 96 00:03:51,025 --> 00:03:54,015 COURT HAS DECIDED IS 97 00:03:54,015 --> 00:03:57,008 INVALID, AND HOW DO YOU UNDO 98 00:03:57,008 --> 00:03:59,012 THAT, WHEN YOU HAVE FOLKS 99 00:03:59,012 --> 00:04:02,007 GOING TO THE POLLS TO VOTE ON 100 00:04:02,007 --> 00:04:03,024 IT, IT'S A PRACTICAL AND 101 00:04:03,024 --> 00:04:05,020 SMART THING TO DO ON A VARIETY 102 00:04:05,020 --> 00:04:07,012 OF LEVELS, ALTHOUGH I 103 00:04:07,018 --> 00:04:10,018 THINK THE SUPREME COURT DECISION 104 00:04:10,018 --> 00:04:11,024 PROBABLY WON'T BE 105 00:04:11,024 --> 00:04:12,022 BROAD ENOUGH, PROBABLY NARROW 106 00:04:12,022 --> 00:04:14,012 ENOUGH THAT IT WILL 107 00:04:14,012 --> 00:04:16,002 AFFECT IT, AND WE'LL HAVE THE 108 00:04:16,002 --> 00:04:17,026 DEBATE AND IT WILL BE ON 109 00:04:17,026 --> 00:04:19,017 THE BALLOT. 110 00:04:19,017 --> 00:04:22,002 >> AND IF THAT HAS IN AN 111 00:04:22,002 --> 00:04:23,006 ELECTION YEAR, IT BRINGS NEW 112 00:04:23,006 --> 00:04:25,002 DYNAMIC. 113 00:04:25,002 --> 00:04:27,013 >> IT ABSOLUTELY DOES? 114 00:04:27,013 --> 00:04:30,006 >> NO DYNAMICS? YEAH, AND I'LL 115 00:04:30,006 --> 00:04:32,002 TELL YOU WHY. AS 116 00:04:32,006 --> 00:04:35,006 INDICATED BY THE POLLS, WE SAID 117 00:04:35,006 --> 00:04:37,012 A WEEK OR TWO AGO, I'VE 118 00:04:37,012 --> 00:04:39,006 NEVER SEEN OPINION CHANGE AS 119 00:04:39,006 --> 00:04:40,012 RAPIDLY ON AN ISSUE AS IT 120 00:04:40,012 --> 00:04:42,011 HAS ON THIS. IF YOU HAD ASKED 121 00:04:42,011 --> 00:04:44,010 ME THIS QUESTION TEN 122 00:04:44,010 --> 00:04:47,009 YEARS AGO, I WOULD HAVE GIVEN 123 00:04:47,009 --> 00:04:49,004 YOU AN ANSWER SLAM DUNK. 124 00:04:49,004 --> 00:04:50,015 >> LAST WEEK YOU SAID FIVE YEARS 125 00:04:51,013 --> 00:04:54,013 AGO. 126 00:04:54,013 --> 00:04:55,027 >> IT'S CHANGED DRAMATICALLY, 127 00:04:55,027 --> 00:04:58,000 THE NUMBERS IN INDIANA, 128 00:04:59,017 --> 00:05:02,017 DONE BY BALL STATE, JIM'S POLL, 129 00:05:02,017 --> 00:05:04,016 NUMBERS SIMILAR TO PUW 130 00:05:04,016 --> 00:05:05,011 AND OTHER NUMBERS NATIONALLY, SO 131 00:05:05,011 --> 00:05:07,028 I THINK THERE WILL BE 132 00:05:07,028 --> 00:05:09,010 MORE DEBATE THAN ANY OF US WOULD 133 00:05:09,010 --> 00:05:11,028 HAVE EXPECTED SEVEN 134 00:05:11,028 --> 00:05:13,004 YEARS AGO, BUT ONE OR POINT 135 00:05:13,004 --> 00:05:15,025 ABOUT THE CORPORATE 136 00:05:15,025 --> 00:05:18,000 INVOLVEMENT, A LOT OF PEOPLE 137 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,015 SUPPORTIVE OF THIS I THINK 138 00:05:19,015 --> 00:05:21,029 WILL BE ABLE TO FIND POLITICAL 139 00:05:25,018 --> 00:05:28,018 COMP IN THE LARGE 140 00:05:28,018 --> 00:05:30,014 INDIANA EMPLOYERS, CAN CUMMINS, 141 00:05:30,014 --> 00:05:31,016 ELI LILLY, WELLPOINT. 142 00:05:31,016 --> 00:05:33,016 >> IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN WHAT 143 00:05:33,016 --> 00:05:35,005 THE BUSINESSES IN THIS 144 00:05:35,005 --> 00:05:36,017 STATE WANT TO CREATE JOBS, YOU 145 00:05:36,017 --> 00:05:37,024 ARE AGAINST THIS 146 00:05:37,024 --> 00:05:40,019 AMENDMENT, PERIOD. 147 00:05:40,019 --> 00:05:41,023 >> I'M SAYING FOR PARTICULARLY 148 00:05:41,023 --> 00:05:43,003 REPUBLICAN LAWMAKERS 149 00:05:43,003 --> 00:05:44,011 CONCERNED ABOUT ECONOMIC 150 00:05:44,011 --> 00:05:45,017 DEVELOPMENT AND JOB CREATION, 151 00:05:45,028 --> 00:05:48,028 THEY CAN SAY THIS IS WHY I WANT 152 00:05:48,028 --> 00:05:49,015 TO STEP AWAY FROM IT 153 00:05:49,015 --> 00:05:50,023 NOW. 154 00:05:50,023 --> 00:05:52,025 >> BACK TO THE POLL, SPEAKER 155 00:05:52,025 --> 00:05:55,000 BOSMA TOOK ISSUE WITH THE 156 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:56,022 POLL. HE SAID HE DOESN'T 157 00:05:56,022 --> 00:05:59,011 BELIEVE THE POP BECAUSE IT'S 158 00:05:59,011 --> 00:06:01,015 NOT OF VOTERS, THERE WASN'T A 159 00:06:01,015 --> 00:06:03,000 VOTER SCREEN ON THIS POLL 160 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:04,019 BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN ELECTION 161 00:06:04,019 --> 00:06:07,018 POLL, IT'S ABOUT PUBLIC 162 00:06:07,018 --> 00:06:09,029 POLICY, AND THAT AFFECTS ALL 163 00:06:09,029 --> 00:06:12,003 ADULTS. HE SAYS HE 164 00:06:12,003 --> 00:06:14,021 DOESN'T JUST CARE ABOUT VOTERS, 165 00:06:14,021 --> 00:06:16,029 BUT HOW ELSE DO YOU -- 166 00:06:16,029 --> 00:06:19,017 >> IF THAT'S THE DISTINCTION 167 00:06:19,017 --> 00:06:21,020 HE'S MAKING THE MOST 168 00:06:21,023 --> 00:06:24,023 IMPORTANT CONSTITUENCY IN HIS 169 00:06:24,023 --> 00:06:26,000 MIND IS VOTERS, IF YOU 170 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,001 WAIT ANOTHER YEAR AND IN THE 171 00:06:28,001 --> 00:06:29,023 MIDST OF AN ELECTION YEAR 172 00:06:29,023 --> 00:06:31,024 AND THIS ISSUE FINDS ITS WAY 173 00:06:31,024 --> 00:06:32,026 ONTO THE BALLOT, I THINK 174 00:06:32,026 --> 00:06:34,024 YOU'LL FIND A LOT OF NEW VOTERS 175 00:06:34,024 --> 00:06:36,016 IN THE PROCESS, AND I 176 00:06:36,016 --> 00:06:38,006 THINK THAT THEN IT WILL BE VERY 177 00:06:38,006 --> 00:06:39,026 INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT 178 00:06:39,026 --> 00:06:42,001 A VOTER SCREEN POLL LOOKS LIKE 179 00:06:42,001 --> 00:06:43,008 BECAUSE I THINK IT WILL 180 00:06:43,008 --> 00:06:44,000 LOOK DIFFERENT. 181 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,025 >> ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THE 182 00:06:46,025 --> 00:06:48,020 SPEAKER SAID, IF HE WAS 183 00:06:48,020 --> 00:06:51,011 TO DRAFT THIS NOW, HE WOULD LOSE 184 00:06:51,018 --> 00:06:54,018 THE SECOND CLAUSE 185 00:06:54,018 --> 00:06:55,018 WHICH EFFECTIVELY OUTLAWS CIVIL 186 00:06:55,018 --> 00:06:56,018 UNIONS, IS IT POSSIBLE 187 00:06:56,018 --> 00:06:58,012 THEY WILL CHANGE THIS AND START 188 00:06:58,012 --> 00:06:59,025 OVER? 189 00:06:59,025 --> 00:07:02,003 >> I THINK IT DEPENDS ON WHAT 190 00:07:02,003 --> 00:07:03,005 THE SUPREME COURT 191 00:07:03,005 --> 00:07:04,029 DECISION IS, THEY OULD CHANGE 192 00:07:04,029 --> 00:07:08,000 THIS, AND YOU COULD BE 193 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,004 VOTING ON SOMETHING INVALID, BUT 194 00:07:10,004 --> 00:07:12,007 I'M GOING TO PUT MY 195 00:07:12,007 --> 00:07:14,029 FORMER STATE CHAIRMAN HAT ON, 196 00:07:14,029 --> 00:07:17,004 THE THING THAT DRIVES ME 197 00:07:17,004 --> 00:07:18,011 CRAZY, THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS 198 00:07:18,011 --> 00:07:20,014 THAT WILL BE SPENT ON 199 00:07:20,014 --> 00:07:21,025 BOTH SIDES OF THIS ISSUE THAT 200 00:07:21,025 --> 00:07:23,026 COULD HAVE GONE TO 201 00:07:23,026 --> 00:07:25,020 CANDIDATES, I'M TELLING YOU 202 00:07:26,026 --> 00:07:29,026 THERE WILL BE MORE MONEY 203 00:07:29,026 --> 00:07:31,016 SPENT AND LOOK, THIS IS ONE OF 204 00:07:31,016 --> 00:07:33,013 THOSE THINGS THAT I 205 00:07:33,013 --> 00:07:35,002 THINK THEY MADE THE RIGHT 206 00:07:35,002 --> 00:07:37,000 DECISION, THEY'VE SAID FROM 207 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,000 THE BEGINNING THIS IS NOT THEIR 208 00:07:39,006 --> 00:07:42,006 PRIORITY THIS SESSION, 209 00:07:42,006 --> 00:07:43,021 IT'S JOBS AND EDUCATION, AND 210 00:07:43,021 --> 00:07:44,020 THEY'VE STUCK TO IT. 211 00:07:44,020 --> 00:07:46,022 >> I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS WHAT 212 00:07:46,022 --> 00:07:48,022 THE SUPREME COURT DOES 213 00:07:48,022 --> 00:07:50,010 ON IT. THE CONSTITUTIONAL 214 00:07:50,010 --> 00:07:51,023 AMENDMENT AS WORD NOW IS 215 00:07:51,023 --> 00:07:54,002 POORLY DRAFTED FOR A VARIETY OF 216 00:07:54,002 --> 00:07:56,006 REASONS, NOT JUST THE 217 00:07:56,016 --> 00:07:59,016 CIVIL UNION PART BUT ALSO 218 00:07:59,016 --> 00:08:00,024 BECAUSE IT CAN AFFECT 219 00:08:00,024 --> 00:08:01,021 DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, AND EVEN IF 220 00:08:01,021 --> 00:08:04,007 YOU ARE IN FAVOR OF 221 00:08:04,007 --> 00:08:07,008 THIS, AND I'M NOT, IF YOU ARE 222 00:08:07,008 --> 00:08:08,018 IT'S POORLY DRAFTED, AND 223 00:08:08,018 --> 00:08:10,016 THEY COULD START THIS PROCESS 224 00:08:10,016 --> 00:08:12,010 ALL OVER AGAIN OR 225 00:08:12,010 --> 00:08:13,019 FRANKLY, SCRAP THE WHOLE THING. 226 00:08:14,004 --> 00:08:17,004 >> AND A COUPLE OF YEARS BACK, 227 00:08:17,021 --> 00:08:20,021 THE IU SCHOOL OF LAW 228 00:08:20,021 --> 00:08:23,014 LOOKED AT A STUDENT GROUP AND A 229 00:08:24,004 --> 00:08:27,004 GROUP OF PROFESSORS, 230 00:08:27,014 --> 00:08:30,014 LOOKED AT STATE STATUTES, ALL 231 00:08:31,014 --> 00:08:34,014 SORTS OF THINGS, 614 232 00:08:34,014 --> 00:08:37,013 EXISTING STATE STATUTES, WOULD 233 00:08:37,013 --> 00:08:38,019 BE AFFECTED BY SOME WAY. 234 00:08:38,019 --> 00:08:39,012 >> ALL RIGHT. 235 00:08:40,014 --> 00:08:42,020 >> STATE LAWMAKERS HEARD THREE 236 00:08:42,020 --> 00:08:43,016 HOURS OF TESTIMONY THIS WEEK ON 237 00:08:43,016 --> 00:08:44,008 A BILL THAT WOULD LEGALIZE 238 00:08:44,008 --> 00:08:45,008 SUNDAY LIQUOR SALES -- BUT NO 239 00:08:45,008 --> 00:08:46,007 VOTE IS PROMISED. 240 00:08:46,007 --> 00:08:47,004 INDIANA PERMITS ALCOHOL SALES IN 241 00:08:47,004 --> 00:08:48,005 BARS AND RESTAURANTS -- BUT 242 00:08:48,005 --> 00:08:48,029 PROHIBITS PACKAGE SALES ON 243 00:08:48,029 --> 00:08:51,003 SUNDAY. 244 00:08:51,003 --> 00:08:52,007 LIQUOR STORES HAVE FOUGHT 245 00:08:52,007 --> 00:08:53,016 EFFORTS TO LEGALIZE SUNDAY SALES 246 00:08:53,016 --> 00:08:54,029 WHILE BIG BOX STORES AND GROCERY 247 00:08:54,029 --> 00:08:56,014 STORES COMPLAIN ABOUT LOSING 248 00:08:56,014 --> 00:08:58,015 BUSINESS TO SURROUNDING STATES.. 249 00:08:58,029 --> 00:09:01,029 >> THEN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 250 00:09:01,029 --> 00:09:03,016 IS 300 TO 600 MILLION DOLLARS IN 251 00:09:03,016 --> 00:09:05,015 REVENUE LOST TO INDIANA 252 00:09:06,029 --> 00:09:09,029 BUSINESSES JUST ON SUNDAY. 253 00:09:09,029 --> 00:09:10,029 >> WE AIRED THE ISSUE AND WE'LL 254 00:09:15,019 --> 00:09:16,018 THAT'S COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN BILL 255 00:09:16,018 --> 00:09:18,013 DAVIS WHO OPPOSES SUNDAY SALES. 256 00:09:18,013 --> 00:09:19,017 HE SAYS HE WILL DECIDE IN THE 257 00:09:19,017 --> 00:09:20,020 NEXT WEEK OR SO IF HE WILL 258 00:09:20,020 --> 00:09:22,000 PERMIT A VOTE ON THE BILL. 259 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:22,029 MIKE MCDANIEL, WILL THERE BE A 260 00:09:26,004 --> 00:09:29,004 >> I WOULD BE SURPRISED IF 261 00:09:29,004 --> 00:09:32,004 THERE'S A VOTE BECAUSE 262 00:09:32,004 --> 00:09:33,009 CHAIRMAN DAVIS IS AGAINST, AND 263 00:09:33,009 --> 00:09:34,015 FIRST OF ALL, AND 264 00:09:34,015 --> 00:09:36,016 SECOND, I'M NOT SURE THEY HAVE 265 00:09:36,016 --> 00:09:38,015 THE VOTES TO PASS THE 266 00:09:38,015 --> 00:09:39,007 SENATE COMMITTEE ANYWAY, AND 267 00:09:39,007 --> 00:09:40,010 YOU'VE GOT TO DECIDE 268 00:09:40,010 --> 00:09:42,001 WHETHER YOU WANT TO PUT PEOPLE 269 00:09:42,001 --> 00:09:43,002 ON THE LINE IF THE VOTES 270 00:09:43,002 --> 00:09:45,009 AROUND THE THERE. 271 00:09:45,009 --> 00:09:45,026 >> WHY HOLD A HEARING? 272 00:09:45,026 --> 00:09:48,002 >> BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S BEEN 273 00:09:48,006 --> 00:09:51,006 ENOUGH DISCUSSION 274 00:09:51,006 --> 00:09:52,027 THROUGH THE YEARS BILL DAVIS 275 00:09:52,027 --> 00:09:55,009 FELT THERE SHOULD BE AN 276 00:09:55,009 --> 00:09:56,021 HONEST DISCUSSION, AND JUST LIKE 277 00:09:56,021 --> 00:09:58,028 ATTITUDES HAVE CHANGED 278 00:09:58,028 --> 00:10:00,028 IN A VARIETY OF ISSUES, PEOPLE 279 00:10:00,028 --> 00:10:01,029 SAY THEY HAVE IN THIS 280 00:10:01,029 --> 00:10:04,018 ISSUE, THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST 281 00:10:04,018 --> 00:10:06,012 HIGHLY REGULATED 282 00:10:06,016 --> 00:10:09,016 INDUSTRIES WE HAVE IN INDIANA, 283 00:10:09,016 --> 00:10:11,027 MAYBE UTILITIES AND 284 00:10:11,027 --> 00:10:13,010 GAMING AS MUCH REGULATED, AND 285 00:10:13,010 --> 00:10:14,024 FOR A REASON, BECAUSE OF 286 00:10:14,024 --> 00:10:16,002 THE EFFECTS OF ALCOHOL, AND 287 00:10:16,002 --> 00:10:17,012 THERE WOULD BE A MAJOR 288 00:10:17,012 --> 00:10:18,022 EXPANSION OF COME. 289 00:10:18,022 --> 00:10:20,024 >> WOULD IT? 290 00:10:20,024 --> 00:10:22,026 >> NO, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE 291 00:10:22,026 --> 00:10:24,005 A MAJOR EXPANSION. 292 00:10:24,005 --> 00:10:26,022 WHAT GETS ME IS HOW THE 293 00:10:26,022 --> 00:10:28,008 REPUBLICANS IN THE LEGISLATURE 294 00:10:29,016 --> 00:10:32,016 ARE ALL FOR A MARKET ECONOMY, 295 00:10:32,016 --> 00:10:34,013 EXCEPT -- EXCEPT IF WE 296 00:10:34,013 --> 00:10:36,000 DON'T LIKE IT, AND THEN IN THAT 297 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,011 CASE WE CAN REGULATE 298 00:10:38,011 --> 00:10:40,029 IT, ATTITUDES HAVE CHANGED. 299 00:10:40,029 --> 00:10:42,015 >> THIS ISN'T AN R&D ISSUE AT 300 00:10:42,015 --> 00:10:43,015 ALL. 301 00:10:43,015 --> 00:10:45,019 >> WHO IS THE COMMITTEE CHAIR 302 00:10:45,019 --> 00:10:46,011 THAT WON'T ALLOW A VOTE 303 00:10:46,011 --> 00:10:47,014 ON IT? 304 00:10:47,014 --> 00:10:48,026 >> THERE ARE PEOPLE ON BOTH 305 00:10:48,026 --> 00:10:50,000 SIDES OF THE ISSUE. 306 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:51,013 >> WHO IS THE COMMITTEE CHAIR. 307 00:10:51,013 --> 00:10:52,026 >> THE SPONSOR OF THE BILL IS A 308 00:10:52,026 --> 00:10:54,028 REPUBLICAN. 309 00:10:54,028 --> 00:10:56,017 >> SO THEY OUGHT TO ALLOW A VOTE 310 00:10:56,017 --> 00:10:58,025 ON IT. 311 00:10:58,025 --> 00:11:01,003 >> AND TAKE THE R&D AFFILIATION 312 00:11:01,003 --> 00:11:03,008 OUT OF IT, LET'S SAY 313 00:11:03,008 --> 00:11:05,020 PEOPLE WHO SAY THERE IS TOO MUCH 314 00:11:05,020 --> 00:11:07,024 GOVERNMENT INTRUSION 315 00:11:07,024 --> 00:11:10,024 IN PEOPLE'S LIVES AND BUSINESSES 316 00:11:10,024 --> 00:11:12,024 OR NOT, IT JUST SO 317 00:11:12,024 --> 00:11:15,000 HAPPENS THERE'S TOO MUCH 318 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:16,002 GOVERNMENT, GET OFF OUR BACKS 319 00:11:16,002 --> 00:11:17,013 ARE THE PEOPLE WHO GENERALLY 320 00:11:17,013 --> 00:11:20,000 LIKE THE WAY IT IS NOW, 321 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:21,008 THE GOVERNMENT TELLING THESE 322 00:11:21,008 --> 00:11:23,016 MERCHANTS YOU CAN'T SELL 323 00:11:23,023 --> 00:11:26,023 IT ON SUNDAY. 324 00:11:26,023 --> 00:11:29,004 >> THE LIQUOR STORE OWNERS SAY 325 00:11:29,004 --> 00:11:30,007 AS MANY AS 25 PERCENT 326 00:11:30,007 --> 00:11:32,011 WOULD GO OUT OF BUSINESS, BASED 327 00:11:32,014 --> 00:11:35,014 ON THE BALL STATE 328 00:11:35,014 --> 00:11:38,013 STUDY. THE GROCERY STORES SAY 3 329 00:11:38,013 --> 00:11:40,008 TO $400 MILLION IN 330 00:11:40,008 --> 00:11:42,007 BUSINESS GOES ACROSS THE BORDER. 331 00:11:42,007 --> 00:11:43,013 WHO WINS THE ECONOMIC 332 00:11:43,013 --> 00:11:45,008 ARGUMENT? 333 00:11:45,008 --> 00:11:46,012 >> BOTH STUDIES ARE DIFFICULT TO 334 00:11:46,012 --> 00:11:48,011 HAVE GOOD DEFINITION 335 00:11:48,011 --> 00:11:49,022 FOR, BUT NO QUESTION LIQUOR 336 00:11:49,022 --> 00:11:50,010 STORES WOULD GO OUT OF 337 00:11:51,013 --> 00:11:54,013 BUSINESS IF STUNNED SALES WERE 338 00:11:54,013 --> 00:11:55,012 EXPANDED TO THE BIG BOX 339 00:11:55,012 --> 00:11:57,022 OR GROCERY STORES. SO I THINK 340 00:11:57,022 --> 00:11:58,027 PROBABLY THE MORE 341 00:11:59,025 --> 00:12:02,025 ACCURATE OF THE TWO. DEFINING 342 00:12:02,025 --> 00:12:05,022 HOW IT GOES ACROSS STATE 343 00:12:05,022 --> 00:12:08,011 LINES IS MUCH HARDER TO TELL. 344 00:12:08,011 --> 00:12:10,026 THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO 345 00:12:10,026 --> 00:12:12,006 WITH PHILOSOPHY OR BLUE LAWS AND 346 00:12:12,006 --> 00:12:13,019 EVERYTHING TO DO WITH 347 00:12:13,019 --> 00:12:14,016 MARKET SHARE AND THE FORCES 348 00:12:14,016 --> 00:12:15,018 INVOLVED. 349 00:12:15,018 --> 00:12:16,025 >> FOR SOME LAWMAKERS. 350 00:12:16,025 --> 00:12:18,023 >> I DON'T CARE WHETHER IT'S THE 351 00:12:20,003 --> 00:12:23,003 LAWMAKERS OR NOT, THEY 352 00:12:23,003 --> 00:12:26,001 CAN TALK ABOUT PHILOSOPHY IF IT 353 00:12:26,001 --> 00:12:27,019 GETS TO A VOTE, IT 354 00:12:27,019 --> 00:12:30,000 BECOMES AN ECONOMIC ISSUE. 355 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,004 >> FOR LAWMAKERS, BUT FOR SOME 356 00:12:32,005 --> 00:12:35,005 HOOSIERS, INCLUDING 357 00:12:35,008 --> 00:12:38,008 THOSE WHO SHOWED UP, FOR THEM, 358 00:12:38,008 --> 00:12:40,001 THIS IS -- 359 00:12:40,001 --> 00:12:41,026 >> THEY ARE A KISS STINK 360 00:12:42,002 --> 00:12:45,002 MINORITY CHOP EVEN ONE OF THE 361 00:12:45,002 --> 00:12:46,019 MINISTERS SAID HIS CONCERN WAS 362 00:12:46,019 --> 00:12:48,002 PARISHIONERS WHO WOULD 363 00:12:48,002 --> 00:12:49,003 HAVE TO WORK AND COULDN'T COME 364 00:12:49,003 --> 00:12:49,027 TO CHURCH. 365 00:12:51,014 --> 00:12:52,021 >> TIME NOW FOR VIEWER FEEDBACK. 366 00:12:52,021 --> 00:12:53,010 EACH WEEK WE POSE AN 367 00:12:53,010 --> 00:12:54,002 UNSCIENTIFIC, ONLINE POLL 368 00:12:54,002 --> 00:12:55,008 QUESTION IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR 369 00:12:55,008 --> 00:12:56,011 ICEMILLER E-MAIL AND TEXT 370 00:13:19,008 --> 00:13:20,014 IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TAKE PART 371 00:13:20,014 --> 00:13:21,024 IN THE POLL GO TO WFYI.ORG/IWIR 372 00:13:25,006 --> 00:13:26,022 A COMMITTEE IN THE INDIANA HOUSE 373 00:13:26,022 --> 00:13:27,020 OF REPRESENTATIVES PASSED A BILL 374 00:13:27,020 --> 00:13:28,024 THAT WOULD EXPAND THE SCHOOL 375 00:13:28,024 --> 00:13:30,023 VOUCHER SYSTEM. 376 00:13:30,023 --> 00:13:32,022 THE EXPANSION WOULD INCLUDE 377 00:13:32,022 --> 00:13:34,028 SPECIAL ED STUDENTS, FOSTER 378 00:13:34,028 --> 00:13:36,019 CHILDREN, AND THE CHILDREN OF 379 00:13:36,019 --> 00:13:38,004 MILITARY VETERANS. 380 00:13:38,004 --> 00:13:39,019 THE RECENT WISH-TV / BALL STATE 381 00:13:39,019 --> 00:13:41,007 HOOSIER SURVEY FOUND THAT JUST 382 00:13:41,007 --> 00:13:42,017 28-PERCENT SUPPORTED AN 383 00:13:42,017 --> 00:13:43,023 EXPANSION OF VOUCHERS WHILE 384 00:13:43,023 --> 00:13:45,003 33-PERCENT ARE OPPOSED. 385 00:13:45,003 --> 00:13:46,015 THOSE FINDINGS WERE PASSED ALONG 386 00:13:46,015 --> 00:13:48,004 TO THE COMMITTEE BY LOBBYIST 387 00:13:48,004 --> 00:13:49,014 JOEL HAND. 388 00:13:49,014 --> 00:13:50,015 >> AND AT THIS TIME 389 00:13:50,015 --> 00:13:52,011 TO EXPAND PRIVATE SCHOOL 390 00:13:52,011 --> 00:13:53,011 VOUCHERS AND TO GIVE VOUCHERS, 391 00:13:53,011 --> 00:13:54,016 BASICALLY SUBSIDIIS TO PRIVATE 392 00:13:54,016 --> 00:13:55,011 SCHOOLS AND PRIVATE SCHOOL 393 00:13:55,011 --> 00:13:56,008 PARENTS, IS NOT REALLY SOMETHING 394 00:13:56,008 --> 00:13:58,013 THAT'S FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE. 395 00:13:58,013 --> 00:13:59,014 >> THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT 396 00:13:59,014 --> 00:14:00,018 FOR POOR CHILDREN WHO ARE OF 397 00:14:00,018 --> 00:14:01,010 COLOR. 398 00:14:01,010 --> 00:14:02,002 THEY'RE GETTING A BETTER 399 00:14:02,002 --> 00:14:02,028 EDUCATION. 400 00:14:03,029 --> 00:14:07,001 WHY SHOULDN'T WE EXPAND IT? 401 00:14:07,001 --> 00:14:07,027 >> JOHN KETZENBERGER, IS THE 402 00:14:07,027 --> 00:14:09,003 VOUCHER SYSTEM GROWING TOO 403 00:14:12,012 --> 00:14:15,003 >> IT'S GROWING PRETTY FAST, 404 00:14:15,003 --> 00:14:16,021 WHETHER OR NOT IT'S TOO 405 00:14:16,021 --> 00:14:18,022 QUICKLY HARD TO SAY, BUT THERE'S 406 00:14:18,022 --> 00:14:19,025 REASON TO BE 407 00:14:19,025 --> 00:14:21,018 CONCERNED, BECAUSE OF THE 408 00:14:21,018 --> 00:14:23,004 MASSIVE CHANGES IT BRINGS TO 409 00:14:23,004 --> 00:14:24,010 SCHOOL AND PUBLIC EDUCATION IS 410 00:14:24,010 --> 00:14:25,016 HANDLED IN THE STATE, 411 00:14:25,016 --> 00:14:26,025 AND WITH THE EXPANSIONS WE'VE 412 00:14:26,025 --> 00:14:28,007 SEEN IN THE BILL JUST 413 00:14:28,007 --> 00:14:31,003 PASSED, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT 414 00:14:32,007 --> 00:14:35,007 INCREASING THE INCOME OF 415 00:14:35,007 --> 00:14:36,014 FAMILIES, INCREASING THE NUMBER 416 00:14:36,014 --> 00:14:38,009 OF PEOPLE INCLUDED, NOT 417 00:14:39,012 --> 00:14:42,012 JUST LOW INCOME, AND SO THIS 418 00:14:42,012 --> 00:14:44,023 MANSION IS VERY RAPID, AND 419 00:14:45,007 --> 00:14:48,007 I THINK IT BEARS CLOSE SCRUTINY, 420 00:14:48,007 --> 00:14:49,008 BECAUSE IT COULD HAVE 421 00:14:49,008 --> 00:14:51,024 MY NAME EFFECTS ON HOW FUNDS ARE 422 00:14:51,024 --> 00:14:52,007 DISTRIBUTED TO 423 00:14:52,007 --> 00:14:53,002 SCHOOLS. 424 00:14:53,002 --> 00:14:55,002 >> MUCH OF THIS THE GOVERNOR'S 425 00:14:55,002 --> 00:14:56,021 LANGUAGE, HE RAN ON SOME 426 00:14:57,006 --> 00:15:00,006 OF IT, YET THERE WILL BE 427 00:15:00,006 --> 00:15:01,007 RELUCTANCE TO PASS IN THE 428 00:15:01,007 --> 00:15:02,017 STATE INTO THE. 429 00:15:02,017 --> 00:15:04,026 >> I THINK THAT'S RIGHT, AND IF 430 00:15:04,026 --> 00:15:06,017 YOU LOOK AT THE MEASURE 431 00:15:07,003 --> 00:15:10,003 OUT OF THE HOUSE, IN THE SENATE 432 00:15:10,003 --> 00:15:10,029 SIMILAR BILLS, AND ONE 433 00:15:11,002 --> 00:15:14,002 THAT HAS TO DO WITH SIBLINGS, IF 434 00:15:14,020 --> 00:15:17,020 YOU ARE A BROTHER OR 435 00:15:17,020 --> 00:15:19,029 SISTER OF A STUDENT WHO RECEIVES 436 00:15:19,029 --> 00:15:21,014 VOUCHES, THAT'S 437 00:15:21,015 --> 00:15:24,015 ANOTHER POINT OF ENTRY, BUT 438 00:15:24,015 --> 00:15:25,008 DENNIS KRUSE HAS SAID 439 00:15:25,008 --> 00:15:27,029 SEVERAL TIMES THIS IS NOT A YEAR 440 00:15:27,029 --> 00:15:29,028 FOR DRAMATIC CHANGE OR 441 00:15:29,028 --> 00:15:32,018 EXPANSION, AND I THINK SOME OF 442 00:15:32,018 --> 00:15:33,025 HIS COUNTERPARTS IN HIS 443 00:15:33,025 --> 00:15:35,012 OWN CAUCUS PROBABLY WOULD 444 00:15:35,012 --> 00:15:38,000 SUGGEST THAT THE CHANGES 445 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:39,005 ENACTED TWO YEARS AGO NEED TO 446 00:15:39,005 --> 00:15:40,017 HAVE A LITTLE MORE TIME 447 00:15:40,017 --> 00:15:42,006 TO DEVELOP. 448 00:15:42,006 --> 00:15:43,028 >> SO DOES THIS BECOME A 449 00:15:43,028 --> 00:15:45,020 POLITICAL STATEMENT OR 450 00:15:45,020 --> 00:15:46,026 PRACTICAL LEGISLATION? 451 00:15:46,026 --> 00:15:48,028 >> PRACTICAL LEGISLATION FROM 452 00:15:48,028 --> 00:15:50,013 THE STANDPOINT THEY'RE SO 453 00:15:50,013 --> 00:15:53,010 POPULAR WITH THE PUBLIC YOU'LL 454 00:15:53,010 --> 00:15:55,020 CONTINUE TO SEE IT GROW 455 00:15:55,020 --> 00:15:57,015 IT'S A NATURAL NEXT PROGRESSION, 456 00:15:57,015 --> 00:15:58,027 THERE'S A LOT OF 457 00:15:58,027 --> 00:16:01,012 DEMAND, GROWN A LOT IN THE LAST 458 00:16:01,012 --> 00:16:02,019 COUPLE OF YEARS, WHAT'S 459 00:16:02,019 --> 00:16:03,014 INTERESTING ABOUT THIS, IT'S NOT 460 00:16:03,014 --> 00:16:05,027 A HUNDRED PERCENT 461 00:16:05,027 --> 00:16:08,026 DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR TRADE-OFF, A 462 00:16:08,026 --> 00:16:11,007 PERSON USING A VOUCHER 463 00:16:11,012 --> 00:16:14,012 GETS 90 PERCENT, NOT A HUNDRED 464 00:16:14,012 --> 00:16:16,001 PERCENT, THAT FREEZE UP 465 00:16:16,001 --> 00:16:18,019 MONEY IN OTHER PLACES, BUT THE 466 00:16:18,019 --> 00:16:20,024 SOCIOECONOMICS OF THIS 467 00:16:20,024 --> 00:16:21,029 INDICATES THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS 468 00:16:21,029 --> 00:16:24,025 WHERE THEY SPEND MORE 469 00:16:24,025 --> 00:16:27,014 MONEY, A LOT URBAN, VERSUS THOSE 470 00:16:27,014 --> 00:16:30,011 WE DON'T, AA LOT OF 471 00:16:30,011 --> 00:16:31,015 SUBURBAN, THE EDUCATION RESULTS 472 00:16:32,016 --> 00:16:35,016 SEEM TO BE A LITTLE 473 00:16:35,016 --> 00:16:36,023 HIGHER, INJECTING THIS 474 00:16:36,023 --> 00:16:37,024 COMPETITION INTO THE PROCESS IS 475 00:16:37,024 --> 00:16:39,003 GOOD FOR EVERYBODY. 476 00:16:39,003 --> 00:16:41,022 >> WHAT THEY'RE USING FOR 477 00:16:41,022 --> 00:16:43,017 EXAMPLE, SPECIAL EDUCATION 478 00:16:43,017 --> 00:16:45,011 STUDENTS AS A SYMPATHETIC WAY TO 479 00:16:45,011 --> 00:16:47,001 EXPAND THE VOUCHER 480 00:16:47,001 --> 00:16:49,019 SYSTEM, BUT NONE OF THESE 481 00:16:49,019 --> 00:16:52,005 SCHOOLS ARE REQUIRED TO TAKE 482 00:16:52,005 --> 00:16:53,014 SPECIAL EDUCATION OR HANDICAPPED 483 00:16:53,014 --> 00:16:54,012 CHILDREN, SO YOU ARE 484 00:16:59,020 --> 00:17:02,020 PUTTING ALL OF THOSE IN THE 485 00:17:03,007 --> 00:17:06,009 URBAN, ALREADY IPS HAS AN 486 00:17:06,013 --> 00:17:09,013 INORDINATE NUMBER OF -- IT'S 487 00:17:09,013 --> 00:17:10,022 COMPLETE BAIT AND SWITCH. 488 00:17:11,023 --> 00:17:14,023 >> I DON'T THINK IT ENJOYS THE 489 00:17:14,023 --> 00:17:16,022 POPULARITY YOU SUGGEST. 490 00:17:16,022 --> 00:17:18,023 >> 9,000 STUDENTS IT WILL GROW 491 00:17:18,023 --> 00:17:21,000 TO THIS YEAR, AND THIS 492 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:22,012 EXPANSION WOULD TAKE IT 493 00:17:22,012 --> 00:17:23,005 POTENTIALLY TO 16,000. 494 00:17:23,005 --> 00:17:25,016 >> BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE NOW THINK 495 00:17:26,003 --> 00:17:29,003 IT'S SOMEBODY ELSE'S 496 00:17:29,003 --> 00:17:31,022 ISSUE, THAT'S AN URBAN, ENTER 497 00:17:31,022 --> 00:17:32,017 CITY ISSUE, BUT WHEN THE 498 00:17:33,006 --> 00:17:36,006 HANDCUFFS COME OFF, AND THE 499 00:17:36,006 --> 00:17:37,016 RESTRICTIONS, ALL OF A 500 00:17:37,016 --> 00:17:40,009 SUDDEN A FAMILY OF FOUR MAKING 501 00:17:40,009 --> 00:17:42,028 128,000 A YEAR, THAT'S 502 00:17:42,028 --> 00:17:44,021 THE NEW MEANS TEST, I THINK MOST 503 00:17:45,025 --> 00:17:48,025 HOOSIERS WOULD BE 504 00:17:48,025 --> 00:17:49,025 SHOCKED THAT THAT'S ECONOMICALLY 505 00:17:49,025 --> 00:17:50,022 CHALLENGED, AND YOU 506 00:17:50,022 --> 00:17:52,026 DON'T HAVE TO SHOW THAT THE 507 00:17:52,026 --> 00:17:54,025 SCHOOL YOU ARE ATTENDING IS 508 00:17:54,025 --> 00:17:57,014 FAILING, THE WHOLE PREMISE IS 509 00:17:59,005 --> 00:18:02,005 WE'VE GOT TO GO SOMEPLACE 510 00:18:02,005 --> 00:18:04,025 WHERE THERE'S A GOOD SCHOOL IT 511 00:18:04,025 --> 00:18:05,014 IS COMPLETE BAIT AND 512 00:18:05,014 --> 00:18:06,006 SWITCH. 513 00:18:07,005 --> 00:18:09,013 >> INDIANA CONGRESSWOMAN SUSAN 514 00:18:09,013 --> 00:18:10,007 BROOKS DELIVERED THE WEEKLY GOP 515 00:18:10,007 --> 00:18:11,005 INTERNET AND RADIO ADDRESS. 516 00:18:11,005 --> 00:18:12,005 THE FRESHMAN FROM THE 5TH 517 00:18:12,005 --> 00:18:13,006 DISTRICT SAID THAT THE FEDERAL 518 00:18:13,006 --> 00:18:14,004 GOVERNMENT COULD LEARN BUDGET 519 00:18:14,004 --> 00:18:15,007 LESSONS FROM INDIANA BUT ALSO 520 00:18:15,007 --> 00:18:16,004 USED SOME TALKING POINTS THAT 521 00:18:21,027 --> 00:18:22,019 AMERICANS CONCERNED ABOUT OUR 522 00:18:22,019 --> 00:18:24,003 NATION'S SPENDING 523 00:18:24,003 --> 00:18:26,016 PROBLEM MAY NOW HAVE CAUSE FOR 524 00:18:26,016 --> 00:18:28,003 OPTIMISM. I RECENTLY 525 00:18:28,003 --> 00:18:31,001 VOTED ALONG WITH MY COLLEAGUES 526 00:18:31,001 --> 00:18:33,012 CLUES IN THE HOUSE TO 527 00:18:33,012 --> 00:18:36,005 PRESENT THE MAJORITY IN THE US 528 00:18:36,005 --> 00:18:37,022 SENATE, PASS A BUDGET 529 00:18:37,022 --> 00:18:38,015 WHERE YOU DON'T GET PAID. 530 00:18:39,023 --> 00:18:41,028 >> JON SCHWANTES, HOW DID SHE 531 00:18:45,011 --> 00:18:48,011 >> I SUPPOSE FINE. A NICE PIECE 532 00:18:48,011 --> 00:18:50,013 IN THE WASHINGTON 533 00:18:50,013 --> 00:18:52,014 TIMES. SHE MADE POINTS THAT 534 00:18:52,023 --> 00:18:55,023 VIRTUALLY EVERY MEMBER OF 535 00:18:55,023 --> 00:18:57,006 THE HOOSIER CONGRESSIONAL 536 00:18:57,006 --> 00:18:59,018 DELEGATION SAYS REGARDLESS OF 537 00:18:59,018 --> 00:19:00,009 PARTY AFFILIATION, MIDWEST 538 00:19:00,009 --> 00:19:01,004 COMMON SENSE, HOOSIER 539 00:19:01,004 --> 00:19:03,008 VALUES, WE CAN BALANCE THE 540 00:19:03,008 --> 00:19:05,005 BUDGET, NOTHING SHOCKING IN 541 00:19:05,005 --> 00:19:06,027 THE SPEECH, OVER AND DONE. 542 00:19:06,027 --> 00:19:08,027 >> SHE ALSO WAS CHOSEN TO TAKE 543 00:19:08,027 --> 00:19:10,019 PART IN A REPUBLICAN 544 00:19:10,019 --> 00:19:13,001 HOUSE LEADERSHIP NEWS CONFERENCE 545 00:19:13,001 --> 00:19:15,009 THIS WEEK. SOMEBODY'S 546 00:19:15,009 --> 00:19:16,027 TRYING TO ELEVATE HER ABOVE 547 00:19:16,027 --> 00:19:17,024 OTHER FRESHMAN AT THIS 548 00:19:17,024 --> 00:19:19,000 POINT? 549 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,027 >> AND WHY NOT? FOR ONE, SHE'S 550 00:19:23,028 --> 00:19:26,028 VERY GOOD AT WHAT SHE 551 00:19:26,028 --> 00:19:28,008 DOES, AND SHE'S IN AN INCREDIBLY 552 00:19:28,008 --> 00:19:30,010 SAFE REPUBLICAN 553 00:19:30,010 --> 00:19:33,000 DISTRICT, WHY NOT, I CAN SEE HER 554 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:34,013 EASILY MOVING UP THE 555 00:19:34,013 --> 00:19:36,029 CHAIN AND BECOMING PART OF THE 556 00:19:36,029 --> 00:19:38,000 LEADERSHIP TEAM IN A FEW 557 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:39,019 YEAR'S TIME. 558 00:19:39,019 --> 00:19:42,000 >> WHEN SHE WAS US ATTORNEY, SHE 559 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:43,029 HARDLY APPEARED BEFORE 560 00:19:43,029 --> 00:19:45,024 THE PUBLIC, MUCH IN CONTRAST TO 561 00:19:45,024 --> 00:19:46,007 THE CURRENT US 562 00:19:46,007 --> 00:19:47,005 ATTORNEY. 563 00:19:47,005 --> 00:19:49,012 >> SHE HAD SOME PRETTY GOOD 564 00:19:49,021 --> 00:19:52,021 INNOVATIONS WHEN SHE WAS US 565 00:19:52,021 --> 00:19:54,008 ATTORNEY, THE WHOLE HUMAN 566 00:19:54,008 --> 00:19:56,014 TRAFFICKING WWS STARTED UNDER 567 00:19:56,014 --> 00:19:58,020 HER AUSPICES. I DON'T THINK YOU 568 00:19:58,020 --> 00:19:59,007 ARE GIVING HER 569 00:19:59,007 --> 00:20:00,029 SUFFICIENT CREDIT. 570 00:20:00,029 --> 00:20:03,008 >> SHE WASN'T A SHOW HORSE TO 571 00:20:03,008 --> 00:20:04,006 BORROW A PHRASE FROM JOHN 572 00:20:04,006 --> 00:20:06,012 GREGG. 573 00:20:06,012 --> 00:20:07,022 >> WHATEVER, THEY'RE RIGHT TO 574 00:20:07,022 --> 00:20:09,015 PUT HER FORWARD BECAUSE 575 00:20:09,015 --> 00:20:11,009 SHE'S THE KIND OF IMAGE THEY 576 00:20:11,009 --> 00:20:13,003 SHOULD PROJECT AS OPPOSED 577 00:20:13,003 --> 00:20:15,001 TO SOME OF THE OTHER ONES 578 00:20:15,001 --> 00:20:16,003 THEY'VE HAD OUT THERE, I 579 00:20:16,003 --> 00:20:18,003 THOUGHT SHE WAS A LITTLE MORE 580 00:20:18,003 --> 00:20:19,010 PARTISAN IN THAT SPEECH, 581 00:20:19,010 --> 00:20:20,025 AND I KNOW THAT'S A SAFE 582 00:20:20,025 --> 00:20:23,024 REPUBLICAN DISTRICT, BUT 583 00:20:23,024 --> 00:20:24,024 IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER DONNELLY 584 00:20:24,024 --> 00:20:26,017 CARRIED THAT DISTRICT 585 00:20:26,017 --> 00:20:28,006 HAND LIE, TO PEOPLE WANT 586 00:20:28,021 --> 00:20:31,021 REPRESENTATIVES WORKING 587 00:20:31,021 --> 00:20:33,025 TOGETHER I THINK THE MESSAGE ON 588 00:20:33,025 --> 00:20:35,018 THAT, THEY WANT BOTH 589 00:20:35,018 --> 00:20:36,027 SIDES WORKING TOGETHER, AND I'M 590 00:20:36,027 --> 00:20:38,006 NOT SURE A PARTISAN 591 00:20:38,006 --> 00:20:39,004 MESSAGE IS VISIT STENT WITH 592 00:20:39,004 --> 00:20:40,015 THAT. 593 00:20:40,022 --> 00:20:43,022 >> SECOND MONTH IN CONGRESS. 594 00:20:43,026 --> 00:20:46,026 >> VERY BIG OPPORTUNITY, SHE'S 595 00:20:48,011 --> 00:20:51,011 ARTICULATE, SHARP, SHE'S 596 00:20:51,011 --> 00:20:52,017 EXACTLY THE IMAGE A REPUBLICAN 597 00:20:52,017 --> 00:20:54,000 SHOULD BE PUTTING 598 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:55,021 FORWARD, AND SHE DID A GOOD JOB 599 00:20:55,021 --> 00:20:57,028 DELIVERING AND SHE'S 600 00:20:57,028 --> 00:21:00,002 RIGHT ABOUT THE MESSAGE, BECAUSE 601 00:21:00,002 --> 00:21:01,027 WE HAVE A AAA BOND 602 00:21:01,027 --> 00:21:03,008 RATING IN INDIANA. 603 00:21:03,008 --> 00:21:04,023 >> YOU MENTIONED IT WAS 604 00:21:04,023 --> 00:21:06,014 PARTISAN. I THINK IT WAS 605 00:21:06,016 --> 00:21:09,016 FAIRLY SAFE BECAUSE ONE OF THE 606 00:21:09,016 --> 00:21:12,016 LINES, THESE ARE 607 00:21:12,016 --> 00:21:13,023 IMPORTANT FOR ANYONE WHO CARES 608 00:21:13,023 --> 00:21:16,016 ABOUT PROTECTING SEWINGS 609 00:21:16,016 --> 00:21:19,006 PROTECT SOCIAL 610 00:21:19,006 --> 00:21:20,004 SECURITY AND MEDICARE. DESIGNED 611 00:21:20,004 --> 00:21:20,017 TO APPEAL TO 612 00:21:20,017 --> 00:21:21,011 EVERYBODY. 613 00:21:22,013 --> 00:21:24,028 >> INDIANAPOLIS PLANS TO MOVE 614 00:21:24,028 --> 00:21:25,019 FORWARD WITH ITS OWN BID FOR 615 00:21:25,019 --> 00:21:26,013 ANOTHER SUPER BOWL. 616 00:21:26,013 --> 00:21:27,014 BUT THIS WEEK, THE PRESIDENT OF 617 00:21:27,014 --> 00:21:28,012 THE INDIANA SPORTS CORPORATION 618 00:21:28,012 --> 00:21:29,019 SAID THAT DOESN'T MEAN THE CITY 619 00:21:29,019 --> 00:21:30,022 WILL GET THE CHANCE TO DO IT. 620 00:21:30,022 --> 00:21:31,020 ALLISON MELANGTON SPENT THE 621 00:21:31,020 --> 00:21:33,006 WEEKEND IN NEW ORLEANS. 622 00:21:33,006 --> 00:21:34,000 SHE SAID WHILE THERE SHE 623 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:34,021 LEARNED ABOUT A CHANGE IN THE 624 00:21:34,021 --> 00:21:35,012 BID PROCESS THAT NOW INCLUDES 625 00:21:36,002 --> 00:21:39,002 AN INVITATION. 626 00:21:39,002 --> 00:21:40,012 >> THE NFL HAS A COMMITTEE THEN 627 00:21:40,012 --> 00:21:41,025 THAT WILL REVIEW ALL THE CITIES 628 00:21:41,025 --> 00:21:42,026 THAT ARE INTERESTED AND THEN 629 00:21:42,026 --> 00:21:44,006 THEY WILL INVITE YOU TO BID. 630 00:21:44,006 --> 00:21:45,020 >> MIKE MCDANIEL, IS THAT BAD 631 00:21:50,022 --> 00:21:53,022 >> NO. I THINK WE DID SUCH A 632 00:21:53,022 --> 00:21:55,011 GREAT JOB HERE LAST YEAR 633 00:21:55,011 --> 00:21:57,015 THAT WE WILL BE OFFERED THE 634 00:21:57,015 --> 00:21:59,001 OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A BID. 635 00:21:59,001 --> 00:22:00,019 SHE SAID WHAT SHE HAD TO SAY 636 00:22:00,019 --> 00:22:02,013 BECAUSE THE RULES DID 637 00:22:02,013 --> 00:22:03,010 CHANGE, IT WASN'T SOMETHING 638 00:22:03,010 --> 00:22:05,007 WHERE WE CAN JUST THROW A 639 00:22:05,007 --> 00:22:06,014 BID OUT THERE AND HOPEFULLY IT 640 00:22:06,014 --> 00:22:08,017 WILL BE CONSIDERED. 641 00:22:08,017 --> 00:22:09,028 WE'LL BE GIVEN THAT OPPORTUNITY. 642 00:22:09,028 --> 00:22:12,010 I MEAN, HOW COULD 643 00:22:12,010 --> 00:22:14,002 THEY NOT? IF ANYTHING, THEY'LL 644 00:22:16,009 --> 00:22:19,009 USE IT TO DRIVE UP THE 645 00:22:19,009 --> 00:22:21,006 COSTS OF EVERYONE ELSE. 646 00:22:21,006 --> 00:22:23,002 >> 2018, DO YOU THINK NEW 647 00:22:23,002 --> 00:22:24,018 ORLEANS? 648 00:22:26,014 --> 00:22:29,014 >> I THINK NEW ORLEANS HAS HAD 649 00:22:29,014 --> 00:22:31,009 IT A LOT. THIRTY-FOUR 650 00:22:31,009 --> 00:22:32,007 MINUTES? I TURNED IT OFF. I 651 00:22:32,007 --> 00:22:33,023 THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE 652 00:22:33,023 --> 00:22:36,023 BEEN HURT BY IT. 653 00:22:36,023 --> 00:22:38,027 >> IT'S THE ANNIVERSARY THAT 654 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,000 YEAR, I'M NOT SAYING 655 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,011 INDIANAPOLIS WON'T GET IT BUT 656 00:22:46,006 --> 00:22:49,006 MIGHT NOT BE IN 2018. 657 00:22:49,006 --> 00:22:51,016 >> AND IT WAS ALSO 20 DEGREES 658 00:22:51,016 --> 00:22:52,018 BELOW SPHWHREER ROW LAST 659 00:22:52,018 --> 00:22:54,013 WEEK. 660 00:22:55,001 --> 00:22:58,001 >> WE DIDN'T HAVE THE SUPER BOWL 661 00:22:58,001 --> 00:23:01,001 LAST WEEK. WE WILL BE 662 00:23:02,024 --> 00:23:05,026 WITHIN TWO YEARS OF OUR 200TH 663 00:23:05,026 --> 00:23:08,005 BIRTHDAY AS A STATE. I 664 00:23:08,005 --> 00:23:09,018 THINK WE CAN MATCH THE WHOLE 665 00:23:09,018 --> 00:23:10,016 ANNIVERSARY. 666 00:23:10,016 --> 00:23:12,023 >> CHANGE THE DATE, THAT'S ALL. 667 00:23:12,023 --> 00:23:13,015 >> OKAY. 668 00:23:14,015 --> 00:23:16,024 >> INDIANA'S FIRST FAMILY HAS 669 00:23:16,024 --> 00:23:17,023 MOVED INTO THE GOVERNOR'S 670 00:23:17,023 --> 00:23:18,019 RESIDENCE. 671 00:23:18,019 --> 00:23:19,028 THE UNPREDICTABLE INDIANA 672 00:23:19,028 --> 00:23:20,016 WEATHER DIDN'T STOP GOVERNOR 673 00:23:20,016 --> 00:23:21,008 MIKE PENCE AND 674 00:23:21,008 --> 00:23:22,002 HIS FAMILY FROM GOING 675 00:23:22,002 --> 00:23:22,027 AHEAD WITH THEIR MOVING PLANS. 676 00:23:22,027 --> 00:23:24,009 THE GOVERNOR EVEN HELPED THE 677 00:23:24,009 --> 00:23:25,006 MOVERS BRING IN BOXES. 678 00:23:25,006 --> 00:23:26,017 KAREN PENCE GAVE DIRECTIONS. 679 00:23:26,017 --> 00:23:28,000 SHE'S STILL RECCVERING FROM 680 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,021 EMERGENCY GALL BLADDER SURGERY. 681 00:23:29,021 --> 00:23:30,026 IT'S A MOVE GOVERNOR PENCE SAYS, 682 00:23:30,026 --> 00:23:32,008 HE'S DREAMED OF SINCE HE STARTED 683 00:23:32,026 --> 00:23:35,026 HIS CAREER IN POLITICS. 684 00:23:35,026 --> 00:23:38,000 >> WE JUST ARE REALLY EXCITED 685 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,006 ABOUT HAVING A PLACE WHERE WE 686 00:23:40,006 --> 00:23:42,008 CAN BE TOGETHER AS A FAMILY BUT 687 00:23:42,008 --> 00:23:44,003 ALSO A PLACE WHERE WE CAN 688 00:23:44,003 --> 00:23:45,008 WELCOME HOOSIERS ON A REGULAR 689 00:23:45,008 --> 00:23:46,020 BASIS. 690 00:23:46,020 --> 00:23:47,020 >> ANN DELANEY, YOU'VE GOT A NEW 691 00:23:51,009 --> 00:23:54,009 >> YEAH, IT'S NICE TO HAVE THE 692 00:23:54,009 --> 00:23:57,005 BUILDING OCCUPIED. I 693 00:23:57,005 --> 00:23:59,022 WAS ALWAYS AFRAID THERE WOULD BE 694 00:23:59,022 --> 00:24:02,005 GRAFFITI OR CRACK 695 00:24:02,005 --> 00:24:04,009 DEALERS IN THERE, IT WASN'T NICE 696 00:24:04,009 --> 00:24:05,016 ENOUGH FOR THE FORMER 697 00:24:05,016 --> 00:24:07,016 GOVERNOR AND HIS WIFE. I THINK 698 00:24:07,016 --> 00:24:10,006 THE GOVERNOR'S 699 00:24:10,015 --> 00:24:13,015 RESIDENCE IS A VERY NICE 700 00:24:13,015 --> 00:24:15,023 BUILDING, TO THUMB YOUR NOSE 701 00:24:16,012 --> 00:24:19,012 AT IT AS NOT BEING GOOD ENOUGH 702 00:24:19,012 --> 00:24:20,023 WAS NOT A GOOD MESSAGE 703 00:24:20,023 --> 00:24:21,027 FOR HOOSIERS TO HEAR. 704 00:24:22,001 --> 00:24:25,001 >> IT'S A FAMILY HOUSE, AND 705 00:24:25,001 --> 00:24:27,014 THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE IT A 706 00:24:27,014 --> 00:24:29,001 FAMILY HOUSE, AND I THOUGHT 707 00:24:29,001 --> 00:24:31,007 KAREN PENCE WAS THE SMART 708 00:24:31,007 --> 00:24:33,019 ONE FOR HAVING HER DOCTOR TELL 709 00:24:33,019 --> 00:24:35,017 HER SHE COULDN'T LIFT 710 00:24:35,017 --> 00:24:37,003 ANY HEAVY BOXES THAT WEEKND. 711 00:24:37,023 --> 00:24:40,023 >> SHE'S GOING TO WORK AT THE 712 00:24:40,023 --> 00:24:41,011 STATEHOUSE RATHER THAN 713 00:24:41,011 --> 00:24:42,008 THE RESIDENCE. 714 00:24:42,008 --> 00:24:44,004 >> THE FIRST LADY OF INDIANA TO 715 00:24:44,004 --> 00:24:46,025 ACTUALLY HAVE AN 716 00:24:46,025 --> 00:24:49,005 OFFICE, PROBABLY MAKES SENSE. 717 00:24:49,005 --> 00:24:51,001 SHE HAS GIVEN EVERY 718 00:24:51,001 --> 00:24:53,001 INDICATION SHE WILL HAVE A HIGH 719 00:24:53,001 --> 00:24:54,011 PROFILE ROLE. 720 00:24:54,011 --> 00:24:56,003 >> DO YOU EXPECT THE RESIDENCE 721 00:24:56,003 --> 00:24:56,026 WILL BE AS OPEN AS IN 722 00:24:56,026 --> 00:24:58,009 THE PAST. 723 00:24:58,009 --> 00:25:00,026 >> I THINK THEY'LL USE THE AREA 724 00:25:00,026 --> 00:25:03,023 IN THE FRONT FOR PUBLIC 725 00:25:03,023 --> 00:25:06,023 OPERATIONS, BUT I'M WAITING TO 726 00:25:06,023 --> 00:25:08,024 SEE IF THEY'LL COME OVER 727 00:25:09,005 --> 00:25:12,005 AT THE SAME TIME AS THE CHURCH 728 00:25:12,005 --> 00:25:14,024 OVER THERE WHERE THEY 729 00:25:14,024 --> 00:25:16,023 MET SOME YEARS AGO. 730 00:25:16,023 --> 00:25:17,023 >> DOESN'T MEAN THEY CAN'T COME 731 00:25:17,023 --> 00:25:18,016 VISIT. 732 00:25:19,016 --> 00:25:21,014 >> THAT'S "INDIANA WEEK IN 733 00:25:21,014 --> 00:25:22,012 REVIEW" FOR THIS WEEK. 734 00:25:22,012 --> 00:25:23,010 OUR PANEL IS DEMOCRAT ANN 735 00:25:23,010 --> 00:25:24,012 DELANEY, REPUBLICAN MIKE 736 00:25:24,012 --> 00:25:25,006 MCDANIEL, JON SCHWANTES OF 737 00:25:25,006 --> 00:25:26,002 "INDIANA LAWMAKERS," AND JOHN 738 00:25:26,002 --> 00:25:26,026 KETZENBERGER OF THE INDIANA 739 00:25:26,026 --> 00:25:27,021 FISCAL POLICY INSTITUTE. 740 00:25:27,021 --> 00:25:28,021 IF YOU'D LIKE A PODCAST OF THIS 741 00:25:28,021 --> 00:25:29,028 PROGRAM YOU CAN FIND IT AT 742 00:25:29,028 --> 00:25:31,002 WFYI.ORG/PODCAST OR, STARTING 743 00:25:31,002 --> 00:25:31,025 MONDAY YOU CAN STREAM IT OR GET 744 00:25:31,025 --> 00:25:32,021 IT ON DEMAND FROM XFINITY OR 745 00:25:32,021 --> 00:25:33,028 BRIGHTHOUSE NETWORKS. 746 00:25:33,028 --> 00:25:37,028 I'M JIM SHELLA OF WISH-TV.