WEBVTT 00:02.066 --> 00:04.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - [Narrator] Indiana's abortion ban temporarily halted. 00:04.766 --> 00:06.566 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% A study committee on cannabis, 00:06.566 --> 00:09.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% plus a new Ways and Means chair, and more 00:09.133 --> 00:10.766 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% on Indiana Week in Review 00:10.766 --> 00:13.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% for the week ending September 23rd, 2022. 00:19.166 --> 00:21.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Indiana Week in Review is made possible 00:21.366 --> 00:24.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% by the supporters of Indiana Public Broadcasting Stations. 00:26.700 --> 00:29.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - This week Indiana's near total abortion ban 00:29.500 --> 00:31.200 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% has been temporarily halted 00:31.200 --> 00:33.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% just three days after a judge heard arguments 00:33.566 --> 00:35.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% in a lawsuit challenging the ban. 00:35.233 --> 00:37.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% She ruled that the law likely violates 00:37.233 --> 00:38.733 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% the Indiana constitution. 00:40.500 --> 00:41.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - [Narrator] Judge Kelsey Hanlon, 00:41.733 --> 00:43.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% who ran for the bench as a Republican 00:43.366 --> 00:46.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% said there is a recognized right to bodily autonomy 00:46.500 --> 00:48.400 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% in the Indiana constitution. 00:48.400 --> 00:50.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% The abortion ban has limited exceptions 00:50.600 --> 00:52.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% for risks to the life and serious health 00:52.366 --> 00:55.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% of the pregnant person for some lethal fetal anomalies 00:55.133 --> 00:57.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and in some cases of rape or incest. 00:57.633 --> 00:59.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Hanlon says the law goes too far 00:59.900 --> 01:02.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% in restricting the right to bodily autonomy 01:02.100 --> 01:04.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% by making that autonomy largely contingent 01:04.566 --> 01:07.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% upon first experiencing extreme sexual violence 01:07.800 --> 01:10.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% or significant loss of physical health or death. 01:10.766 --> 01:12.500 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% The ruling means that for now, 01:12.500 --> 01:16.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% abortion is once more legal for anyone up to 20 weeks. 01:16.066 --> 01:18.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% The state will appeal the decision. 01:19.900 --> 01:22.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Are you surprised at the judge's ruling? 01:22.566 --> 01:23.666 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% It's the first question for 01:23.666 --> 01:25.900 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% our Indiana Week in Review panel. 01:25.900 --> 01:27.733 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% Democrat Ann Delaney, 01:27.733 --> 01:29.900 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% Republican Mike O'Brien, 01:29.900 --> 01:32.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Jon Schwantes host of Indiana Lawmakers, 01:32.466 --> 01:34.133 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and Niki Kelly, Editor-in-Chief 01:34.133 --> 01:36.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% for The Indiana Capital Chronicle. 01:36.333 --> 01:39.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I'm Indiana Public Broadcasting State House Bureau Chief, 01:39.400 --> 01:40.666 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% Brandon Smith. 01:40.666 --> 01:41.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Mike O'Brien, this came down fast. 01:41.933 --> 01:43.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Are you surprised by the decision? 01:43.633 --> 01:45.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - I'm surprised that an Owen County Republic 01:45.433 --> 01:47.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% made the decision instead of a Monroe County Democrat. 01:47.700 --> 01:49.400 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% So let's start there. 01:50.533 --> 01:52.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I think, I don't think it's surprising. 01:52.000 --> 01:54.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% This question over whether privacy is the right 01:54.333 --> 01:57.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% in the Indiana Constitution has a spotty history. 01:57.133 --> 02:00.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Pro Roe v. Wade being certainly being overturned 02:00.766 --> 02:03.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% with a court of appeals affirming it, 02:03.833 --> 02:06.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% meaning abortion is a protected right. 02:06.466 --> 02:08.700 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% The Supreme court vacated it, 02:08.700 --> 02:11.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that produced two dissents that had two opposite opinions. 02:11.533 --> 02:14.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So the idea that this question needs to be answered 02:14.333 --> 02:16.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% isn't I don't think it's a shock to me. 02:16.700 --> 02:17.933 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% It shouldn't really be. 02:17.933 --> 02:19.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I know it's I know it's a hopeful, 02:19.100 --> 02:21.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I know you're hopeful that the courts 02:21.300 --> 02:23.466 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% don't have injunction on a law 02:23.466 --> 02:25.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that was passed if you're supportive of it. 02:25.200 --> 02:27.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% But answering this question, I think should be important, 02:27.533 --> 02:28.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% is important for the pro-life community 02:28.833 --> 02:30.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% as it should be for the pro-choice community. 02:32.600 --> 02:35.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - This opinion could have gone obviously one of two ways. 02:35.333 --> 02:37.266 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And as Mike just pointed out, 02:37.266 --> 02:41.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% we have this debate about 15 years ago or so 02:41.200 --> 02:43.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% between two Indiana Supreme Court justices in dissents. 02:43.833 --> 02:46.600 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% One saying no, there's no right. 02:46.600 --> 02:47.866 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% One saying yes there is. 02:47.866 --> 02:49.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And she went with the yes, there is crowd. 02:49.533 --> 02:51.066 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - Right. 02:51.066 --> 02:53.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - What's the likelihood that this current Supreme Court 02:53.033 --> 02:54.500 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% goes with the no, there isn't? 02:54.500 --> 02:56.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Well, I think she thinks that the likelihood 02:56.966 --> 02:58.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% is that they're gonna go with yes, there is, 02:58.233 --> 03:00.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% which because it's a preliminary injunction 03:00.266 --> 03:01.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and you have to demonstrate a likelihood 03:01.900 --> 03:04.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% of prevailing on the merits in order to get that. 03:04.633 --> 03:06.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So she clearly, with her reasoning 03:06.300 --> 03:08.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% came up with the notion that you know, 03:08.600 --> 03:10.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% all of these rights, as we've seen 03:10.700 --> 03:12.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% over the course of however many years 03:12.600 --> 03:14.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% this country's been in existence evolve. 03:14.900 --> 03:18.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And what may not have been you know, 03:18.433 --> 03:20.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% may not have been an attitude shared 03:20.966 --> 03:23.100 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% by a lot of people 50 years ago 03:23.100 --> 03:25.366 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% is now shared by a lot of people. 03:25.366 --> 03:27.066 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And she's absolutely right. 03:27.066 --> 03:30.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% In the past, in other kinds of situations, 03:30.066 --> 03:31.666 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% the state courts have determined 03:33.100 --> 03:34.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that the rights are guaranteed by the Indiana Constitution 03:34.866 --> 03:37.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% don't actually mirror the rights provided 03:37.100 --> 03:38.400 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% by the federal constitution. 03:38.400 --> 03:41.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And in many cases, we are much more liberal 03:41.066 --> 03:42.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% about the rights that we recognize 03:42.633 --> 03:44.200 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% under the Indiana Constitution. 03:44.200 --> 03:45.566 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% So it's not surprising at all. 03:45.566 --> 03:48.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I think as a Republican from Owen County, 03:48.200 --> 03:49.766 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% she deserves a lot of credit 03:49.766 --> 03:53.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% for following what she thinks the law is and should be. 03:53.200 --> 03:56.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And it obviously will have some political risk to her 03:56.300 --> 03:58.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% in that county, but nonetheless, she did the right thing. 03:58.433 --> 04:01.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And I think she deserves a fantastic amount of credit. 04:01.633 --> 04:03.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - One of the things she points out in the ruling is, 04:03.866 --> 04:07.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and something that Solicitor General Tom Fisher pointed out 04:07.066 --> 04:08.533 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% in the arguments, 04:08.533 --> 04:11.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% which was even if you believe there's a right to privacy 04:11.233 --> 04:13.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% or whatever you want to call it in the Indiana Constitution 04:13.400 --> 04:16.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% in that article one, section one, they really buried it. 04:17.633 --> 04:19.166 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% Even if you think that, 04:19.166 --> 04:20.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% abortion was banned in Indiana 04:20.933 --> 04:22.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% at the time the constitution was written. 04:22.866 --> 04:25.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And so therefore it cannot possibly be part 04:25.700 --> 04:27.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% of what's a protected right in the constitution. 04:27.500 --> 04:30.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And her point is things have changed in the last 04:30.433 --> 04:33.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% however, you know, 200 plus years, 04:33.233 --> 04:36.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% or a hundred and something hundred years. 04:36.033 --> 04:37.033 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Yeah, I'm not good at math. 04:37.033 --> 04:38.266 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - We can tell. 04:38.266 --> 04:40.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - But the point is things have changed. 04:40.800 --> 04:42.733 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Is that argument gonna hold up? 04:43.566 --> 04:45.000 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - Yeah, I don't know. 04:45.000 --> 04:47.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I mean, the fact is it's like women couldn't even vote 04:47.433 --> 04:48.666 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% when we you know, started this. 04:48.666 --> 04:50.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So you can't really compare everything 04:50.500 --> 04:54.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to exactly the situation when the constitution was written. 04:54.566 --> 04:59.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So I do think even so-called strict constructionists 05:01.033 --> 05:03.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% have to recognize that you know, life has changed 05:03.766 --> 05:07.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and the reason abortion and women 05:07.466 --> 05:09.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% might not have been mentioned is 'cause you know, 05:09.900 --> 05:11.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% it was just never even thought of back then. 05:11.733 --> 05:12.566 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% Yeah. 05:13.800 --> 05:16.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - The Attorney General Todd Rokita's office 05:16.466 --> 05:19.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% is appealing this hopefully directly to the Supreme Court. 05:19.066 --> 05:21.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Their hope is that it'll go directly to Supreme Court. 05:21.033 --> 05:23.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% It seems like a good chance that might happen 05:23.500 --> 05:25.200 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% on something like this. 05:25.200 --> 05:27.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% The Indiana Supreme Court doesn't really get 05:27.966 --> 05:30.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% into controversial issues like this very often. 05:30.300 --> 05:32.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% That's just not what the state court system 05:32.166 --> 05:33.666 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% generally covers. 05:33.666 --> 05:36.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Not to say that they don't do any controversial things. 05:36.000 --> 05:37.300 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% Heck last year they had 05:37.300 --> 05:39.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% the Holkham verses the legislature, 05:39.600 --> 05:41.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% which was pretty darn controversial, 05:41.066 --> 05:44.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% but this is a very different level from all of that. 05:44.100 --> 05:47.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Do you think realistically, 05:47.300 --> 05:49.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that will affect their deliberation? 05:51.033 --> 05:52.500 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - Well, as I've said before, 05:52.500 --> 05:56.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% they're not sealed in some sort of you know, mayonnaise jar 05:56.233 --> 05:58.800 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% impervious to any kind of input 05:58.800 --> 06:01.100 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% from the society around them. 06:01.100 --> 06:03.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% They are last time I checked all living, 06:03.533 --> 06:05.133 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% breathing human beings. 06:05.133 --> 06:07.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So that's not to say they're gonna be swayed by it. 06:07.933 --> 06:09.466 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I think they will do their best 06:09.466 --> 06:14.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to interpret the constitution as the best they possibly can. 06:15.200 --> 06:16.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% But this is an undecided area. 06:16.900 --> 06:20.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I mean, you look back at the debate that you've just cited. 06:20.100 --> 06:23.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% There were two very well regarded associate justices, 06:23.833 --> 06:26.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% arguing very different things. 06:28.533 --> 06:31.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Actually maybe was Brent Dickson maybe was chief justice 06:31.966 --> 06:33.466 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% at, I don't- 06:33.466 --> 06:34.400 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% He wasn't, okay. 06:34.400 --> 06:35.733 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% Just associate justice. 06:35.733 --> 06:37.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I didn't want to rob him of chief status. 06:37.733 --> 06:40.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So it's, but yeah, it's a hot potato. 06:40.800 --> 06:44.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Look at, I'm fascinated how we got to this point. 06:44.033 --> 06:47.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I mean, it was filed in Monroe County 06:47.366 --> 06:49.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% where all the judges, I believe are Democrats 06:49.800 --> 06:50.966 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% and the people- 06:50.966 --> 06:52.433 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - Not by accident. 06:52.433 --> 06:53.666 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - Not by accident. 06:53.666 --> 06:54.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - They chose that venue for a reason. 06:54.833 --> 06:56.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Right, and you would think you know, 06:56.333 --> 06:57.600 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% once judge one says no, 06:57.600 --> 06:59.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and they don't have to provide a reason 06:59.833 --> 07:01.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% in civil litigation as they would 07:01.966 --> 07:05.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% if they were recusing themselves in criminal trials, 07:05.133 --> 07:06.400 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% why they don't. 07:06.400 --> 07:08.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% But first person said no, second person, no. 07:08.466 --> 07:10.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Pretty soon it's going to the judge 07:10.200 --> 07:11.700 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% for the district to assign it. 07:11.700 --> 07:14.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And in the order that sent it to Kelsey Hanlon said 07:14.700 --> 07:16.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% this is the only judge in the region, 07:16.866 --> 07:18.866 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% in the district that can do it 07:18.866 --> 07:20.600 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and begs the rhetorical question 07:20.600 --> 07:21.800 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% what if she weren't around? 07:21.800 --> 07:23.500 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Everybody I guess could say no 07:23.500 --> 07:24.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and then that throws it I guess, 07:24.933 --> 07:26.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to a appointment of a special judge, a retired judge. 07:26.933 --> 07:28.066 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - Another mayonnaise jar. 07:28.066 --> 07:29.333 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - I mean, nobody is- 07:29.333 --> 07:30.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - A mayonnaise jar your full judges. 07:30.833 --> 07:32.300 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - Yeah, maybe. 07:32.300 --> 07:34.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% There's just, nobody's eager probably to tackle this. 07:34.100 --> 07:35.266 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% Let's put it that way. 07:35.266 --> 07:37.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Kudos to her for stepping up and doing 07:37.933 --> 07:39.400 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% what a judge is supposed to do, 07:39.400 --> 07:42.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% which is you know, whether it's calling balls and strikes 07:42.500 --> 07:44.833 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% or you know, as Justice Roberts 07:44.833 --> 07:46.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% at the federal level likes to say, 07:46.333 --> 07:48.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% at least she was willing to step behind home plate 07:48.800 --> 07:51.300 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% and make some calls. 07:51.300 --> 07:53.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - After four hours of public testimony, 07:53.700 --> 07:55.200 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% much of it conflicting, 07:55.200 --> 07:57.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Indiana lawmakers appear no closer 07:57.133 --> 07:59.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to deciding whether to legalize cannabis. 08:01.666 --> 08:03.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - [Narrator] The legislature has been examining the subject 08:03.766 --> 08:05.166 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% for about four years. 08:05.166 --> 08:06.400 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% And the testimony 08:06.400 --> 08:07.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% in a legislative study committee this week 08:07.866 --> 08:10.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% wasn't much different from what lawmakers have heard before. 08:10.533 --> 08:13.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Katie Wiley is the Chief Legal Officer for Stash Ventures, 08:13.800 --> 08:15.000 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% the parent company 08:15.000 --> 08:16.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% for cannabis growers and sellers in Michigan. 08:16.866 --> 08:18.200 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% She says as a mother, 08:18.200 --> 08:20.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% she wants legal and regulated cannabis 08:20.533 --> 08:22.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% to help prevent a black market. 08:22.900 --> 08:25.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - If my child got their hands on something, 08:25.100 --> 08:26.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I would want to know what was in it. 08:26.600 --> 08:29.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I would want to know it's safe, it's effective, 08:29.100 --> 08:31.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and that there's a control around it. 08:31.366 --> 08:32.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - [Narrator] But Indiana prosecutors 08:32.700 --> 08:34.100 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and business community leaders, 08:34.100 --> 08:36.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% chiefly the Indiana Chamber of Commerce, 08:36.066 --> 08:38.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% continue to urge legislators to pump the breaks. 08:38.766 --> 08:40.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Chamber Vice President, Mike Reilly says 08:40.633 --> 08:41.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% there's still no good way 08:41.900 --> 08:43.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to determine whether someone is impaired 08:43.766 --> 08:45.266 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% because of cannabis. 08:45.266 --> 08:47.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And he says that has impacts on the criminal justice system 08:47.533 --> 08:48.833 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% and the workplace. 08:48.833 --> 08:51.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - The longer we wait to implement things, 08:51.333 --> 08:53.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% you know, more data comes out. 08:53.300 --> 08:55.133 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% We think time is on our side. 08:55.133 --> 08:57.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - [Narrator] Both sides of the debate 08:57.500 --> 08:58.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% offered conflicting studies and data 08:58.833 --> 09:00.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% on whether cannabis legalization is better or worse 09:00.433 --> 09:03.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% for health and better or worse for public safety. 09:04.400 --> 09:06.600 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - Ann Delaney, here we go again, 09:06.600 --> 09:10.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% is there a catalyst that can finally prompt action 09:10.766 --> 09:12.400 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% on this in the general assembly? 09:12.400 --> 09:13.233 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - I don't know. 09:14.600 --> 09:16.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I mean sometimes you wonder if there are backbones 09:16.900 --> 09:19.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% in any of the people listening to this testimony 09:21.500 --> 09:24.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and voting on some of these more controversial issues. 09:25.366 --> 09:27.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% It just look, I mean I thought a very good case 09:27.433 --> 09:29.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% made at least for medical marijuana, 09:29.500 --> 09:31.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% for people with chronic diseases, 09:31.233 --> 09:32.733 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and veterans having trouble, 09:33.866 --> 09:35.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and they don't even wanna countenance that. 09:35.700 --> 09:38.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So I think the only catalyst that could spur them 09:38.400 --> 09:40.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to do something in the way of action would be 09:40.800 --> 09:43.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% if the federal government finally got its act together 09:43.000 --> 09:44.433 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% and legalized it. 09:44.433 --> 09:47.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And they'd have to do that because this hodgepodge we have 09:47.100 --> 09:49.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% of states doing it and the money not being able 09:49.800 --> 09:53.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to be put in banks is resulting in all kinds of corruption 09:53.366 --> 09:55.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and robberies and this, that, and the other thing. 09:55.733 --> 09:58.333 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And it's just, it is a public- 09:58.333 --> 09:59.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% It's interesting that legalizing it 09:59.933 --> 10:01.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% has become a public safety threat, 10:01.866 --> 10:03.366 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% not because of the marijuana, 10:03.366 --> 10:05.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% but because of the money coming from the marijuana. 10:05.833 --> 10:08.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So I really think the federal government needs to step up, 10:08.933 --> 10:10.266 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% put their big boy pants on, 10:10.266 --> 10:12.733 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% since they're almost all boys, 10:12.733 --> 10:15.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and do the right thing, and legalize it. 10:15.133 --> 10:16.633 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - As Ann points out, 10:16.633 --> 10:18.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% this is not as easy as just saying okay, legalize it. 10:18.900 --> 10:20.833 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% It gets complicated. 10:20.833 --> 10:22.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% How you set it up, how you regulate it, 10:22.366 --> 10:25.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% how you work with the banking community at the state level. 10:25.566 --> 10:29.033 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% Is the best idea then 10:29.033 --> 10:31.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% for Indiana to wait for the federal government, 10:31.200 --> 10:33.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% which makes some of those more complicated issues 10:33.900 --> 10:35.000 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% a heck of a lot easier? 10:35.933 --> 10:37.400 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - I'm with Anne. 10:37.400 --> 10:38.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I can't believe the federal government hasn't 10:39.366 --> 10:40.333 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% just reschedule it. 10:40.333 --> 10:41.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And let everybody just go do, 10:41.300 --> 10:42.600 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% let them go have that debate, 10:42.600 --> 10:43.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% but they can have it with clean air. 10:43.900 --> 10:46.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - But you don't have to tell everybody- 10:46.100 --> 10:47.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - We're this close to a Trump Attorney General 10:47.633 --> 10:50.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% starting to enforce this and say it's not really legal. 10:50.333 --> 10:51.833 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% Right. 10:51.833 --> 10:53.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And having an federal attorney general say that. 10:53.500 --> 10:55.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Not that we have the capacity to enforce any of this, 10:55.833 --> 10:58.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% but look, I think in the context of the state, 10:58.533 --> 11:01.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% the Indiana legislature, it is progress 11:01.733 --> 11:03.233 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% for a hearing to take place. 11:03.233 --> 11:05.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% It is progress for legislation to be introduced. 11:05.333 --> 11:09.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Like that isn't nothing in this debate for the legislature 11:09.000 --> 11:11.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to make the political or the policy decision 11:11.233 --> 11:13.066 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% to have this conversation. 11:13.066 --> 11:15.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And I think you're gonna incrementally see legislation, 11:15.800 --> 11:17.733 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% more legislation be introduced, 11:17.733 --> 11:20.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% more players come into the state that's new. 11:20.166 --> 11:22.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Stash and other players coming into the state 11:22.533 --> 11:24.600 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% is a new dynamic in this. 11:24.600 --> 11:26.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% It was just a theoretical conversation before. 11:26.766 --> 11:29.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Now you have players coming into the state saying 11:29.100 --> 11:31.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% here's how we did it in Michigan. 11:31.133 --> 11:32.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Here's how we did it in other places. 11:32.866 --> 11:35.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And that brings credibility to the argument. 11:35.600 --> 11:37.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And it gives lawmakers some you know, some context, 11:37.866 --> 11:40.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and really start to think through the details, 11:40.500 --> 11:43.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% which is a measure of progress, ultimately for this- 11:43.000 --> 11:43.833 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - It's money. 11:43.833 --> 11:45.100 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - How many times- 11:45.100 --> 11:46.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - How many terms of contributions? 11:46.600 --> 11:48.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - How many times do you have to listen to the debate? 11:48.333 --> 11:50.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And how many times do you have to have the debate? 11:50.266 --> 11:51.633 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% How many times do you enter? 11:51.633 --> 11:53.133 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Is it like daylight savings 11:53.133 --> 11:54.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that we're gonna deal with it for 20 years first? 11:54.600 --> 11:56.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - I think everyone understood turning the clock back. 11:56.933 --> 11:59.366 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% I'm not sure everyone understands the vertical integration 11:59.366 --> 12:01.233 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and delivery system of cannabis. 12:01.233 --> 12:02.466 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% Right or- 12:02.466 --> 12:04.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Well, I don't know. - Or how we do that. 12:04.000 --> 12:06.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Yeah, is that maybe the more complex part of this, 12:06.900 --> 12:08.866 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% is that it's not as simple. 12:08.866 --> 12:10.533 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I mean daylight savings time was 12:11.666 --> 12:14.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% are we setting the clocks back? Are we not? 12:14.133 --> 12:15.733 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% This one is if we legalize it- 12:15.733 --> 12:17.266 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% well, first of all, 12:17.266 --> 12:20.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% is it just for medical or is it for adults entirely? 12:20.033 --> 12:24.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And then setting up a regulated marketplace for it. 12:24.066 --> 12:28.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Is that gonna be ultimately a bigger stumbling block 12:28.333 --> 12:29.566 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% in these last few years 12:29.566 --> 12:31.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% presumably before it finally happens? 12:31.000 --> 12:32.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - There are two stumbling blocks. 12:32.200 --> 12:35.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% One is federal inability to reschedule this. 12:35.166 --> 12:37.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And as long as they're a Holkham's governor, 12:37.200 --> 12:39.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and as long as people who feel the same way 12:39.033 --> 12:42.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that it's folly for the state to ignore federal law 12:42.933 --> 12:45.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and pretend because of banking concerns 12:45.066 --> 12:46.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and other sorts of financial transactions, 12:46.933 --> 12:49.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% which all of a sudden are done in cash. 12:49.233 --> 12:51.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And it becomes kind of a wild, wild west, 12:51.300 --> 12:53.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% you know, with six shooters on their waist making- 12:53.966 --> 12:55.533 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - Well we have an open case. 12:55.533 --> 12:57.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% (cross talk) - I was just gonna say, 12:57.200 --> 12:58.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that's a selling point for a lot of people. 12:58.033 --> 12:59.300 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - Quite a selling point. 12:59.300 --> 13:01.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So that's an issue, but then beyond that, 13:01.166 --> 13:02.400 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% you can't just legalize it 13:02.400 --> 13:06.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% because the real money, the real bruising, 13:06.833 --> 13:09.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% the legislative roller derby here 13:09.033 --> 13:10.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% is not gonna be whether to legalize it or not. 13:10.833 --> 13:14.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% It's gonna be how to divvy up the contracts, 13:14.000 --> 13:15.500 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% the licenses. 13:15.500 --> 13:18.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% We're talking lots and lots of money here, obviously. 13:18.333 --> 13:21.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And those who get the foothold first 13:21.600 --> 13:26.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% are going to reap in reap significant financial gain. 13:26.000 --> 13:29.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% That's where it's gonna be very bruising, I think 13:29.500 --> 13:32.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% more so than just the yes or no debate, 13:32.100 --> 13:34.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% which again is being held up, I think largely 13:34.200 --> 13:35.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% by the federal government. 13:35.933 --> 13:38.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - And what we heard again on this week 13:38.400 --> 13:43.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% was the money here isn't just okay who's gonna get rich. 13:43.300 --> 13:44.900 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% Some of it is also like, 13:44.900 --> 13:46.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% as many of the people who've done this 13:46.900 --> 13:48.600 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% in other states have argued. 13:48.600 --> 13:50.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% If you wanna prevent the black market 13:50.566 --> 13:52.800 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% from forming or reforming, 13:52.800 --> 13:54.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% it's only a black market in Indiana now, 13:54.766 --> 13:57.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% but if you wanna stop that from happening, 13:57.333 --> 13:59.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that's going to how much you charge, 13:59.600 --> 14:01.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% like how your licensing systems work, 14:01.733 --> 14:03.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% how much you charge for some of this stuff. 14:03.600 --> 14:05.100 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% That makes a difference, 14:05.100 --> 14:08.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% because if you make it out of reach for small businesses, 14:08.166 --> 14:10.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that's where the black market then grows 14:10.200 --> 14:11.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% in a legalized state, right? 14:11.900 --> 14:12.833 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - Yeah. 14:12.833 --> 14:14.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I mean I listen to part of it. 14:14.900 --> 14:17.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I hear what you're saying that you do think 14:17.100 --> 14:18.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% there is some progress being made. 14:18.866 --> 14:21.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I mean, just from someone who's sat in those hearings, 14:21.766 --> 14:24.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% it sounds just the same as it sounded two years ago, 14:24.800 --> 14:26.533 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% and four years ago. 14:26.533 --> 14:29.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% We've really gone nowhere on the federal side. 14:29.733 --> 14:32.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% You know, we still have a governor who 14:32.400 --> 14:34.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% you know, doesn't wanna be involved in that 14:34.133 --> 14:36.633 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% until that's changed. 14:36.633 --> 14:38.633 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% So, gosh, I don't know. 14:38.633 --> 14:41.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I don't know what the catalyst is in it. 14:41.166 --> 14:46.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I agree I guess there's some tiny, incremental steps, 14:47.300 --> 14:49.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% but it ultimately sounds much the same to me. 14:49.666 --> 14:51.233 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - Time now for viewer feedback. 14:51.233 --> 14:54.300 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% Each week we pose an unscientific online poll question. 14:54.300 --> 14:57.000 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% This week's question is a relatively simple one, I suppose. 14:57.000 --> 14:59.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% should Indiana fully legalize cannabis? 14:59.500 --> 15:01.566 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% A, yes or B, no. 15:01.566 --> 15:03.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Last week's question was do you care if the candidates 15:03.900 --> 15:05.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% for secretary of state have a debate? 15:05.233 --> 15:09.033 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% 75% of you say yes, 25% say no. 15:09.033 --> 15:10.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% If you'd like to take part in the poll, 15:10.866 --> 15:15.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% go to WFYI.org/IWIR and look for the poll. 15:16.933 --> 15:19.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Indiana House Republicans have a new budget architect, 15:19.800 --> 15:22.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% 12 term representative, Jeff Thompson. 15:22.200 --> 15:24.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Speaker, Todd Huston recently appointed Thompson 15:24.000 --> 15:26.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% as chair of the House's most influential committee, 15:26.866 --> 15:27.966 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% Ways and Means. 15:29.533 --> 15:31.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - [Narrator] Each bill with a significant financial impact 15:31.633 --> 15:33.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% must go through the Ways and Means committee. 15:33.466 --> 15:35.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And the state budget starts there. 15:35.066 --> 15:37.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% More than 50% of that budget is education, 15:37.600 --> 15:39.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% which comes in handy for Thompson. 15:39.300 --> 15:40.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% He was a teacher for 30 years 15:40.933 --> 15:43.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and led his caucuses efforts in recent years 15:43.133 --> 15:45.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to rewrite the state's school funding formula. 15:45.866 --> 15:47.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Political scientist, Andrew Downs says 15:47.666 --> 15:50.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Thompson can't necessarily focus on further changes 15:50.333 --> 15:52.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to the formula now that he's the house GOP's 15:52.733 --> 15:54.566 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% main budget writer. 15:54.566 --> 15:56.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - But his awareness of the issues 15:56.700 --> 15:59.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% is certainly going to be beneficial. 15:59.333 --> 16:01.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Downs notes that the average Hoosier 16:01.100 --> 16:03.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% likely won't notice a difference in the budget process 16:03.533 --> 16:05.200 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% under Thompson. 16:05.200 --> 16:07.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - You know, the governor will still chime in, 16:07.233 --> 16:10.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% the Senate, will chime in, members of the House Caucus 16:10.700 --> 16:12.466 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% will chime in. 16:12.466 --> 16:15.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I just don't, it's hard to imagine 16:15.800 --> 16:18.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% how there will be significant shifts. 16:18.700 --> 16:21.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Thompson replaces Republican representative, Tim brown, 16:21.300 --> 16:22.366 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% who is retiring. 16:23.766 --> 16:27.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Niki Kelly, is Thompson a safe choice? 16:27.166 --> 16:29.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Yeah, I mean, and I think it also signals 16:29.700 --> 16:32.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% probably a more short term choice, 16:32.133 --> 16:34.800 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% maybe one or two budget cycles. 16:34.800 --> 16:36.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Obviously representative Thompson's been around 16:36.833 --> 16:38.333 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% for more than 20 years. 16:38.333 --> 16:41.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So maybe they're gonna try to put a younger person 16:41.733 --> 16:46.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% you know, and give him sort of the training along the way. 16:46.700 --> 16:47.866 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - Well, that's what they did. 16:47.866 --> 16:49.333 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - Yep. 16:49.333 --> 16:50.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - And the person that they were training was Todd Huston, 16:50.766 --> 16:52.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% who then became Speaker of the House. 16:52.266 --> 16:55.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So kind of derailed that whole plan of succession. 16:55.000 --> 16:57.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Yeah, and obviously representative Thompson, 16:57.000 --> 16:59.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% he's got a lot of knowledge on the K12 side. 16:59.900 --> 17:01.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% He'll have to bone up a little on some of the 17:01.766 --> 17:04.233 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% you know, other agencies, 17:04.233 --> 17:06.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% but I think he should have no problem 17:06.800 --> 17:08.333 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% this session getting through. 17:08.333 --> 17:09.866 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - In talking to Andy downs, 17:09.866 --> 17:12.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Andy pointed out that Jeff Thompson kind of straddles 17:12.600 --> 17:16.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% the line of he's from a suburbanish area. 17:16.333 --> 17:17.566 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - Greater Lizton. 17:17.566 --> 17:19.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Yeah, the donut counties certainly, 17:19.200 --> 17:21.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% kind of a nod to the donut counties around Indianapolis, 17:21.633 --> 17:25.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% but he also, he's got a foot in the ag community certainly. 17:25.466 --> 17:26.700 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% He's a public school teacher. 17:26.700 --> 17:28.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% He kind of checks off a lot of boxes. 17:28.600 --> 17:29.433 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - He does. 17:29.433 --> 17:30.366 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% And he gets the system. 17:30.366 --> 17:31.333 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% He understands the institution. 17:31.333 --> 17:32.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% He respects the institution. 17:32.900 --> 17:35.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% You have some people who just want to torch the whole thing. 17:35.633 --> 17:39.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And don't even like the idea that the state collects money. 17:39.066 --> 17:41.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I may be being somewhat hyperbolic, but not much. 17:41.600 --> 17:44.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% But the state collects money and then dispenses it. 17:44.366 --> 17:45.300 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - Pays them. 17:45.300 --> 17:48.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - So he is safe in that regard. 17:48.900 --> 17:50.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And I think you're right. 17:50.900 --> 17:52.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% He probably won't stay as long as some, 17:52.166 --> 17:56.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% but this is as Committee Chair assignments go, 17:56.600 --> 17:58.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I was thinking back modern history. 17:58.233 --> 18:00.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And I'll say modern history is basically 18:00.566 --> 18:01.600 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% since you were running for- 18:01.600 --> 18:02.433 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - Us. 18:02.433 --> 18:03.266 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - Us, okay. 18:03.266 --> 18:04.500 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% Modern history. 18:04.500 --> 18:05.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - If he were a DC, he'd be a young guy. 18:05.300 --> 18:06.266 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% One of the young guys. 18:06.266 --> 18:07.733 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - There have been five, 18:07.733 --> 18:09.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% prior to this have been five in that modern history, 18:09.900 --> 18:12.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% which we'll say it had been five chairs. 18:12.933 --> 18:15.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And there would've not been that many, 18:15.000 --> 18:18.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% except you had change of control of the parties. 18:18.366 --> 18:21.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So even there it's an eight year, you know, average, 18:21.700 --> 18:23.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% 'cause I'm saying roughly 40 years. 18:23.166 --> 18:26.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - I mean, yeah, Doc Brown was close to 10 years. 18:26.500 --> 18:27.900 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - Yeah. 18:27.900 --> 18:30.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - As a lobbyist, we talked a lot in 18:30.700 --> 18:32.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% before this decision was announced, 18:32.500 --> 18:34.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% we talked a lot about partly why it matters 18:34.700 --> 18:36.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% is you have all these folks out there, 18:36.600 --> 18:38.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% both in government and outside of government 18:38.866 --> 18:41.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% who were trying to prepare their pitches 18:41.366 --> 18:42.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% on the upcoming state budget. 18:42.900 --> 18:44.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And without knowing who that chair was gonna be, 18:44.766 --> 18:47.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% makes it hard to know how to tailor that pitch. 18:47.500 --> 18:49.000 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% How do you tailor a pitch 18:49.000 --> 18:50.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% without giving away too many secrets Ann Delaney? 18:50.900 --> 18:52.500 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% How do you tailor a pitch? 18:52.500 --> 18:54.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - That's that's what he gets paid for. 18:54.300 --> 18:58.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Well the upside is you've been pitching him 18:58.033 --> 18:59.200 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% for years, right. 18:59.200 --> 19:01.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I mean he had the office next to Tim Brown. 19:01.000 --> 19:03.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% You know, this guy, it's not like he got pulled out obscure. 19:03.533 --> 19:05.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% He's been on the committee forever. 19:05.433 --> 19:06.633 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - Which wasn't the case, 19:06.633 --> 19:08.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% which wasn't the case with Tim Brown. 19:08.166 --> 19:09.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I mean, obviously he was the Chair of the Public Health. 19:09.733 --> 19:10.800 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - He was a surprise pick. 19:10.800 --> 19:11.700 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - He was a surprise pick. 19:11.700 --> 19:12.533 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% This feels- 19:12.533 --> 19:13.766 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - At the time. 19:13.766 --> 19:14.600 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - Yeah. 19:14.600 --> 19:16.066 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - As a lobbyist, 19:16.066 --> 19:17.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% as the former Hendricks County Republican Chairman, 19:17.266 --> 19:19.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I love having a Hendricks County guy 19:19.633 --> 19:21.133 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% from Greater Lizton Indiana. 19:21.133 --> 19:24.100 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% The only Lizton on planet earth. 19:24.100 --> 19:25.333 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - There you go. 19:25.333 --> 19:26.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So yeah, no, I think it's a good pick. 19:26.500 --> 19:27.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I don't think, I think it's continuity. 19:27.300 --> 19:28.433 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% I think it's stability. 19:28.433 --> 19:30.233 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And you know, as lobbyists, 19:30.233 --> 19:32.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% we don't love, you know, turmoil and surprises. 19:34.666 --> 19:36.200 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - From a Democrat's perspective, 19:36.200 --> 19:37.733 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% is Jeff Thompson a good pick? 19:37.733 --> 19:40.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - I think so, especially among the group that were eligible. 19:40.800 --> 19:42.366 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Yes, I think he's a good pick. 19:42.366 --> 19:43.766 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% I mean, he knows 19:43.766 --> 19:45.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - As close as you're ever gonna get. 19:45.833 --> 19:48.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Yeah, well, he knows enough about 19:48.766 --> 19:51.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% how the bulk of the money for the state is spent. 19:51.100 --> 19:54.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I just hope he has some vision and some ideas 19:54.233 --> 19:56.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% about how we deal with all the money 19:56.366 --> 19:57.766 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% that they have in reserve 19:57.766 --> 19:59.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% with all the needs that are out there. 19:59.666 --> 20:02.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And they're not gonna turn into an abominable noman 20:02.666 --> 20:04.233 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% like Tim Brown was. 20:04.233 --> 20:06.033 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% It's time for us to invest- 20:06.033 --> 20:07.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Is that one of your husband's lens? 20:07.500 --> 20:09.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - No, actually I've never even tried that out. 20:09.966 --> 20:10.900 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - Oh, all right. 20:10.900 --> 20:11.633 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - It sounds like something- 20:11.633 --> 20:13.100 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - Should I? 20:13.100 --> 20:14.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Sounds like something I would've called you on before. 20:14.600 --> 20:15.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - No, no, but the point is with all of that money, 20:15.966 --> 20:18.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% we need somebody that understands how the state works 20:18.866 --> 20:21.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and has a vision for what the state could be 20:21.433 --> 20:23.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and is willing to make the investments necessary 20:23.700 --> 20:24.966 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% to get us there. 20:24.966 --> 20:27.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And I'm hoping he's one of those people. 20:27.366 --> 20:29.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - I would absolutely bet he has a vision 20:29.133 --> 20:30.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% for how that reserve should be spent. 20:30.766 --> 20:32.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I don't know if you'll like that vision. 20:32.700 --> 20:34.233 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% I bet he hasn't- 20:34.233 --> 20:36.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - As long as it's not gonna be in some chicken whatever, 20:36.166 --> 20:38.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% half of a percent of a cut of something 20:38.633 --> 20:40.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that you know, so we don't have the money 20:40.633 --> 20:41.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% the next time we need it. 20:41.900 --> 20:43.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - All right, Indiana like many other states 20:43.633 --> 20:44.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% has seen a recent increase 20:44.900 --> 20:46.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% in the number of women registering to vote 20:46.333 --> 20:47.733 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% ahead of this year's election. 20:47.733 --> 20:48.966 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% According to our report this week 20:48.966 --> 20:51.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% in the Indiana Capital Chronicle. 20:51.266 --> 20:53.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - [Narrator] The Capital Chronicle story says 20:53.500 --> 20:56.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% there were a little more than 278,000 people 20:56.166 --> 20:57.633 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% who either newly registered 20:57.633 --> 21:00.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% or updated their voter registration since January. 21:00.300 --> 21:02.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Data from the Secretary of State's office shows 21:02.066 --> 21:05.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that of those people, 52% were women. 21:05.333 --> 21:08.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Women make up 50.4% of the total state population, 21:08.800 --> 21:10.566 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% according to the Census Bureau. 21:10.566 --> 21:13.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% The gender discrepancy in registration was much sharper 21:13.200 --> 21:14.700 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% in other states. 21:14.700 --> 21:17.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% In Kansas, women registrants were 16 percentage points 21:17.533 --> 21:19.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% higher now than before the Supreme Court ruled 21:19.866 --> 21:21.133 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% on abortion this year. 21:21.133 --> 21:22.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% It's more than five percentage points higher 21:22.766 --> 21:25.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% in Idaho, Ohio, and Pennsylvania. 21:26.400 --> 21:28.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Jon Schwantes, is Indiana's number enough 21:28.333 --> 21:30.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to make much of a difference one way or the other this fall? 21:30.533 --> 21:32.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - I think it could make a difference. 21:32.033 --> 21:34.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% You know, the challenge when you start to compare 21:34.833 --> 21:38.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% the disparity or the uptick with other states, 21:39.266 --> 21:40.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% then you have to assume almost 21:40.900 --> 21:44.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that every woman votes the same way on this issue 21:44.733 --> 21:46.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and is motivated primarily by this issue. 21:46.900 --> 21:49.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And then you have to, once you make that leap, 21:49.333 --> 21:50.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% then you have to take another leap 21:50.900 --> 21:54.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and say that everybody will turn out who is registered, 21:54.433 --> 21:56.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% which is another, perhaps even bigger, 21:56.600 --> 21:57.666 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% well, not bigger leap. 21:57.666 --> 21:59.066 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% They're both big leaps. 21:59.066 --> 22:00.466 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% So my point- 22:00.466 --> 22:02.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - If you don't register, you can't get your next- 22:02.000 --> 22:04.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - My point is we based on what we've seen elsewhere 22:04.366 --> 22:05.900 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% and granted, the numbers are not, 22:05.900 --> 22:08.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% we haven't seen as much of a ground swell here, 22:08.333 --> 22:10.333 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% but still there is a force. 22:10.333 --> 22:12.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% There is something going on here and not just from the data, 22:12.600 --> 22:14.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% which thank goodness you did the story, 22:14.266 --> 22:17.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% but it's good to know the facts 'cause anecdotally, 22:17.033 --> 22:20.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I hear a lot of people, 20 something women, 22:20.433 --> 22:24.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and even young men who are motivated by this issue 22:24.400 --> 22:27.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and are in alignment, gender not withstanding 22:27.400 --> 22:28.800 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% on their motivated perhaps 22:28.800 --> 22:30.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to go to the polls this time around 22:30.833 --> 22:32.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to a degree they haven't in the past. 22:32.333 --> 22:35.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So I'm not willing to say oh, it happened in other states 22:35.033 --> 22:37.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% because it was more than 5% uptick. 22:37.800 --> 22:39.300 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% It could happen. 22:39.300 --> 22:43.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I think that is a wildcard in virtually every race 22:43.033 --> 22:45.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% this November across the country. 22:45.333 --> 22:47.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - The biggest jump, obviously in Kansas, 22:47.066 --> 22:48.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I mean way bigger than everybody else. 22:48.433 --> 22:49.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And there's an obvious reason there. 22:49.966 --> 22:53.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% They had a vote they had to take directly on abortion. 22:53.133 --> 22:56.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% We were the first state to pass an abortion ban 22:56.133 --> 22:58.066 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% in the wake of Dobbs, a new one. 22:58.066 --> 23:01.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Are you surprised that the jump wasn't a little higher? 23:01.800 --> 23:03.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - I thought it might be a little higher. 23:03.300 --> 23:05.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% What I found fascinating was the new registrations 23:05.966 --> 23:09.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% are still more men than women, but it's the updating. 23:09.400 --> 23:11.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And so what we're seeing a lot on that 23:11.100 --> 23:13.400 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% is maybe lapsed female voters 23:13.400 --> 23:15.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% who were frustrated and they've you know, 23:15.133 --> 23:16.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% they just gave up a couple times ago 23:16.866 --> 23:18.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and now they're like, you know what 23:18.333 --> 23:20.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% no, I want my voice to be heard this time. 23:20.100 --> 23:21.166 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% Let's change my address. 23:21.166 --> 23:22.733 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Let's get this going back. 23:22.733 --> 23:25.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And that's where we're seeing more of the women come in 23:25.033 --> 23:26.800 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% is updating their vote. 23:26.800 --> 23:29.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - We are making a big assumption here though, 23:29.100 --> 23:32.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% which is that the reason that these women are registering 23:32.933 --> 23:35.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% or updating is because of abortion A, 23:35.966 --> 23:39.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and it's on the cause of pro-abortion rights. 23:39.766 --> 23:41.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Is that too big an assumption to make? 23:41.200 --> 23:42.266 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - I don't think so. 23:42.266 --> 23:43.766 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% I really don't think so. 23:43.766 --> 23:46.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And the other part of this is we still have another what, 23:46.666 --> 23:49.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% two or three weeks for registration coming up too, 23:49.366 --> 23:50.800 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% and that's when- 23:50.800 --> 23:51.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - A lot can happen in Indiana in a week, you know. 23:51.466 --> 23:52.700 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - Yeah, I know, 23:52.700 --> 23:54.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% but that's when the tables get set up 23:54.233 --> 23:56.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and the signs go up and that kind of thing. 23:56.100 --> 23:57.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So it's gonna be interesting to look at those numbers 23:57.900 --> 24:00.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% after the 30 days before the election. 24:00.233 --> 24:01.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - If you're a Republican candidate, 24:01.700 --> 24:04.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% do these numbers make you give you pause at all? 24:04.366 --> 24:05.866 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - Well, I've said before, 24:05.866 --> 24:08.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% there's a catalyst for some of these kind of purple areas. 24:08.766 --> 24:10.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% There's an issue that can be a catalyst, 24:10.233 --> 24:11.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% just like healthcare reform in Southern Indiana 24:11.866 --> 24:16.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% was a catalyst for Democrats to change their voting habits. 24:16.100 --> 24:18.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% But when 2016, when I ran the governor's campaign, 24:18.466 --> 24:20.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% people would like when early voting started 24:20.633 --> 24:22.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and we started seeing these huge numbers 24:22.466 --> 24:24.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% turning out in largely Republican areas, 24:24.633 --> 24:27.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% people would twist some themselves in knots with me 24:27.333 --> 24:28.600 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% trying to explain that 24:28.600 --> 24:30.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% so this was gonna be a Republican repudiation 24:30.166 --> 24:32.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% of Donald Trump and they'd have all these theories 24:32.100 --> 24:34.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% why that was. And I used to just say look, 24:34.066 --> 24:35.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I think if we're seeing historic numbers 24:35.500 --> 24:37.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% of Republicans voting in traditionally Republican areas, 24:37.500 --> 24:39.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I think they're probably mostly voting Republican 24:39.833 --> 24:41.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and that's what wound up happening. 24:41.066 --> 24:42.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So let's see where the early voting is. 24:42.800 --> 24:44.033 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% This isn't that, right. 24:44.033 --> 24:45.466 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% This isn't that. 24:45.466 --> 24:48.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% This isn't an Ann issue versus a you know, a candidate, 24:48.000 --> 24:49.400 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% but we'll see. 24:49.400 --> 24:51.133 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% That's why we have the election. 24:51.133 --> 24:52.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Numbers like this make me think 24:52.600 --> 24:55.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I don't know if we'll see a huge impact on statewide races, 24:55.400 --> 24:57.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% but is the place where this could have more 24:57.866 --> 24:59.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% of an impact because we don't know of course 24:59.633 --> 25:01.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% necessarily where all of these people are. 25:01.433 --> 25:03.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Is it on those smaller, if you will 25:03.733 --> 25:05.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% state house races where something like this 25:05.533 --> 25:07.200 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% could have a bigger impact? 25:07.200 --> 25:08.666 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - Sure. 25:08.666 --> 25:10.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I think again, I tend think generally speaking, 25:10.566 --> 25:13.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% those races are decided by issues 25:13.900 --> 25:15.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that aren't the kind of headline issues. 25:15.766 --> 25:16.700 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - Let you stand out. 25:16.700 --> 25:18.133 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - They tend to be, right. 25:18.133 --> 25:19.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% They tend to be oh, that's my insurance agent 25:19.833 --> 25:21.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% or that's my kid's teacher. 25:21.300 --> 25:23.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Oh and I know that person, it's a neighbor. 25:23.233 --> 25:24.600 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% This may be different. 25:24.600 --> 25:27.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% This because this is engaging people 25:27.300 --> 25:29.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% who either have not engaged in the past 25:29.233 --> 25:30.833 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% or as you point out, 25:30.833 --> 25:35.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% might have decided to sit the past few cycles out. 25:35.300 --> 25:36.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Yeah, it could make a difference though, 25:36.233 --> 25:38.100 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% in those donut county areas 25:38.100 --> 25:40.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% where we've got some strong women running. 25:40.733 --> 25:42.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Yeah, that's part of the key too, 25:42.066 --> 25:43.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% as you've pointed out before. 25:43.300 --> 25:44.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% If you don't have a candidate running, 25:44.266 --> 25:45.466 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% it's hard to make a difference. 25:45.466 --> 25:46.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Those are the areas where they are. 25:46.966 --> 25:49.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - It's going to Republicans and urban and suburban centers. 25:49.000 --> 25:51.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - All right, that's Indiana Week in Review for this week. 25:51.966 --> 25:54.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Our panel is Democrat Ann Delaney, 25:54.866 --> 25:57.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Republican Mike O'Brien, Jon Schwantes 25:57.500 --> 25:59.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% of Indiana Lawmakers, and Niki Kelly 25:59.733 --> 26:02.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% of the Indiana Capital Chronicle. 26:02.100 --> 26:04.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% You can find Indiana Week in Review's podcast 26:04.700 --> 26:08.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and episodes at WFYI.org/IWIR, 26:08.933 --> 26:11.866 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% or on the PBS video app. 26:11.866 --> 26:14.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I'm Brandon Smith of Indiana Public Broadcasting. 26:14.700 --> 26:15.900 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% Join us next time, 26:15.900 --> 26:18.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% because a lot can happen in an Indiana week. 26:18.866 --> 26:21.433 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% (upbeat music) 26:32.100 --> 26:33.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - [Narrator] The opinions expressed 26:33.566 --> 26:35.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% are solely those of the panelists. 26:35.766 --> 26:39.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Indiana Week in Review is a WFYI production 26:39.000 --> 26:42.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% in association with Indiana's Public Broadcasting Stations.