1 00:00:08,658 --> 00:00:10,458 AN IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY AGAINST 2 00:00:10,461 --> 00:00:11,859 PRESIDENT TRUMP. 3 00:00:11,862 --> 00:00:12,393 A LAWSUIT AGAINST INDIANA'S 4 00:00:12,396 --> 00:00:13,027 MEDICAID WORK REQUIREMENT. 5 00:00:13,030 --> 00:00:14,228 PLUS, CONNIE LAWSON ON ELECTION 6 00:00:14,231 --> 00:00:14,896 SECURITY MONEY AND MORE ON 7 00:00:14,899 --> 00:00:16,597 INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW FOR THE 8 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,133 WEEK ENDING SEPTEMBER 27TH, 9 00:00:19,136 --> 00:00:19,400 2019. 10 00:00:19,403 --> 00:00:23,604 ♪♪ 11 00:00:23,607 --> 00:00:25,807 >> INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW IS 12 00:00:25,810 --> 00:00:27,508 >> INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW IS 13 00:00:27,511 --> 00:00:29,911 MADE POSSIBLE BY THE SUPPORTERS 14 00:00:29,914 --> 00:00:31,846 OF INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING 15 00:00:31,849 --> 00:00:33,848 STATIONS, AND BY ICEMILLER, 16 00:00:33,851 --> 00:00:35,550 BUILT ON A 100-PLUS YEAR 17 00:00:35,553 --> 00:00:37,652 FOUNDATION OF LEGAL SERVICE, 18 00:00:37,655 --> 00:00:38,886 ICEMILLER IS A FULL SERVICE LAW 19 00:00:38,889 --> 00:00:40,421 FIRM COMMITTED TO HELPING 20 00:00:40,424 --> 00:00:42,123 CLIENTS STAY AHEAD OF A CHANGING 21 00:00:42,126 --> 00:00:43,624 WORLD, WORKING TO DEVELOP AN 22 00:00:43,627 --> 00:00:45,560 UNDERSTANDING OF EACH CLIENT'S 23 00:00:45,563 --> 00:00:50,331 NEEDS TO HELP BUILD, GROW AND 24 00:00:50,334 --> 00:00:53,568 PROTECT THEIR INTERESTS. MORE AT 25 00:00:53,571 --> 00:00:54,202 ICEMILLER.COM. # 26 00:00:54,205 --> 00:00:54,869 THIS WEEK, HOUSE SPEAKER NANCY 27 00:00:54,872 --> 00:00:56,904 PELOSI ANNOUNCED THE LAUNCH OF 28 00:00:56,907 --> 00:00:57,705 WHAT MANY IN HER PARTY HAVE LONG 29 00:00:57,708 --> 00:00:58,306 ADVOCATED FOR: AN IMPEACHMENT 30 00:00:58,309 --> 00:01:01,342 INQUIRY INTO PRESIDENT DONALD 31 00:01:01,345 --> 00:01:05,847 TRUMP. 32 00:01:05,850 --> 00:01:07,248 PELOSI'S HISTORIC MOVE COMES 33 00:01:07,251 --> 00:01:09,851 AFTER CONTROVERSY OVER A PHONE 34 00:01:09,854 --> 00:01:12,253 CALL TRUMP HAD WITH THE NEWLY 35 00:01:12,256 --> 00:01:13,221 ELECTED UKRANIAN LEADER IN JULY 36 00:01:13,224 --> 00:01:14,722 AND REPORTING THAT THE PRESIDENT 37 00:01:14,725 --> 00:01:16,324 PRESSURED HIM TO INVESTIGATE 38 00:01:16,327 --> 00:01:17,158 POLITICAL RIVAL JOE BIDEN. 39 00:01:17,161 --> 00:01:18,626 SPEAKER NANCY PELOSI (D-CA): THE 40 00:01:18,629 --> 00:01:21,162 PRESIDENT MUST BE HELD 41 00:01:21,165 --> 00:01:21,329 ACCOUNTABLE. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE 42 00:01:21,332 --> 00:01:24,565 LAW. 43 00:01:24,568 --> 00:01:25,199 TRUMP HAS CALLED THE ALLEGATIONS 44 00:01:25,202 --> 00:01:25,933 AGAINST HIM "RIDICULOUS" AND A 45 00:01:25,936 --> 00:01:27,201 "WITCH HUNT." IN A RECAP OF THAT 46 00:01:27,204 --> 00:01:28,536 PHONE CALL RELEASED BY THE WHITE 47 00:01:28,539 --> 00:01:31,272 HOUSE, TRUMP NOTES AT THE OUTSET 48 00:01:31,275 --> 00:01:33,374 THAT "WE DO A LOT FOR UKRAINE." 49 00:01:33,377 --> 00:01:36,511 HE ASKS UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT 50 00:01:36,514 --> 00:01:37,111 ZELENSKIY ABOUT A "FAVOR," LATER 51 00:01:37,114 --> 00:01:37,779 GOING ON TO TELL HIM "I WOULD 52 00:01:37,782 --> 00:01:40,414 LIKE YOU TO FIND OUT WHAT 53 00:01:40,417 --> 00:01:41,015 HAPPENED WITH THIS WHOLE 54 00:01:41,018 --> 00:01:41,516 SITUATION IN UKRAINE" AND THE 55 00:01:41,519 --> 00:01:44,886 BIDENS. 56 00:01:44,889 --> 00:01:45,520 INDIANA'S CONGRESSIONAL 57 00:01:45,523 --> 00:01:46,053 DELEGATION IS SPLIT ALONG PARTY 58 00:01:46,056 --> 00:01:48,723 LINES ON THE IMPEACHMENT 59 00:01:48,726 --> 00:01:49,624 INQUIRY. 60 00:01:49,627 --> 00:01:52,426 WHAT NOW? 61 00:01:52,429 --> 00:01:53,861 IT'S THE FIRST QUESTION FOR OUR 62 00:01:53,864 --> 00:01:56,030 INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW PANEL. 63 00:01:56,033 --> 00:01:56,531 DEMOCRAT ANN DELANEY. 64 00:01:56,534 --> 00:01:57,999 REPUBLICAN MIKE O'BRIEN. 65 00:01:58,002 --> 00:02:00,535 JON SCHWANTES, HOST OF INDIANA 66 00:02:00,538 --> 00:02:01,102 LAWMAKERS. 67 00:02:01,105 --> 00:02:01,702 AND NIKI KELLY, STATEHOUSE 68 00:02:01,705 --> 00:02:02,103 REPORTER FOR THE FORT WAYNE 69 00:02:02,106 --> 00:02:03,271 JOURNAL GAZETTE. 70 00:02:03,274 --> 00:02:04,038 I'M INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING 71 00:02:04,041 --> 00:02:05,807 STATEHOUSE REPORTER, BRANDON 72 00:02:05,810 --> 00:02:07,008 SMITH. 73 00:02:07,011 --> 00:02:08,309 ANN DELANEY, DOES THE FORMAL 74 00:02:08,312 --> 00:02:12,446 LAUNCH OF AN IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY 75 00:02:12,449 --> 00:02:14,415 CHANGE MUCH? 76 00:02:14,418 --> 00:02:16,150 >> OH, I THINK WE HAVE A 77 00:02:16,153 --> 00:02:17,652 QUALITATIVE CHANGE HERE. I MEAN, 78 00:02:17,655 --> 00:02:19,554 WE'RE ALWAYS KNOWN THAT THIS 79 00:02:19,557 --> 00:02:20,988 ADMINISTRATION IS CORRUPT, AND 80 00:02:20,991 --> 00:02:22,490 WE'VE KNOWN IT IS INCOMPETENT 81 00:02:22,493 --> 00:02:24,258 AND WE KNOW THE PRESIDENT LIES 82 00:02:24,261 --> 00:02:26,394 HABITUALLY. BUT THIS IS THE 83 00:02:26,397 --> 00:02:29,030 FIRST TIME THAT YOU HAVE IT FROM 84 00:02:29,033 --> 00:02:30,531 HIS LIPS TO A LEADER OF A 85 00:02:30,534 --> 00:02:34,202 FOREIGN COUNTRY ASKING FOR A, 86 00:02:34,205 --> 00:02:35,903 QUOTE, FAVOR, UNQUOTE, TO DIG 87 00:02:35,906 --> 00:02:38,606 UP, OR MANUFACTURE DIRT AGAINST 88 00:02:38,609 --> 00:02:41,642 THE SON OF A POTENTIAL OPPONENT. 89 00:02:41,645 --> 00:02:42,877 THAT'S EASY TO UNDERSTAND, THAT 90 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:44,779 VIOLATES SO MANY DIFFERENT LAWS, 91 00:02:44,782 --> 00:02:45,847 IT'S DIFFICULT TO ENUMERATE THEM 92 00:02:45,850 --> 00:02:48,449 ALL. AND IT'S VERY EASY FOR 93 00:02:48,452 --> 00:02:50,418 VOTERS TO UNDERSTAND. SO, WE'VE 94 00:02:50,421 --> 00:02:51,419 HAD A QUALITATIVELY DIFFERENT 95 00:02:51,422 --> 00:02:52,920 APPROACH, AND THE WHITE HOUSE 96 00:02:52,923 --> 00:02:53,855 RECOGNIZED THAT. BECAUSE THE 97 00:02:53,858 --> 00:02:56,757 WHITE HOUSE WENT TO COVER IT UP 98 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:58,125 RIGHT AWAY. THE STAFF PEOPLE 99 00:02:58,128 --> 00:02:59,894 UNDERSTOOD THAT WHAT THEY HAD IN 100 00:02:59,897 --> 00:03:01,796 THEIR HANDS THERE WAS 101 00:03:01,799 --> 00:03:02,964 RADIOACTIVE. AND WE DON'T KNOW 102 00:03:02,967 --> 00:03:04,198 HOW MANY MORE OF THOSE RADIO 103 00:03:04,201 --> 00:03:06,901 ACTIVE BOMBS HAVE BEEN COVERED 104 00:03:06,904 --> 00:03:11,038 UP BY THE WHITE HOUSE BASED ON 105 00:03:11,041 --> 00:03:12,139 THE CONTACTS THAT THE PRESIDENT 106 00:03:12,142 --> 00:03:13,608 OR VICE PRESIDENT HAD WITH 107 00:03:13,611 --> 00:03:14,909 FOREIGN LEADERS. I THINK THIS 108 00:03:14,912 --> 00:03:16,711 MAKES IT COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. 109 00:03:16,714 --> 00:03:19,213 THIS IS THE KIND OF ACTIVITY 110 00:03:19,216 --> 00:03:20,348 THAT YOU EXPECT FROM THUGS, OR 111 00:03:20,351 --> 00:03:21,382 FROM ORGANIZED CRIME. YOU DON'T 112 00:03:21,385 --> 00:03:26,020 EXPECT IT FROM THE PRESIDENT OF 113 00:03:26,023 --> 00:03:27,488 THE UNITED STATES, AND IT CANNOT 114 00:03:27,491 --> 00:03:28,856 GO WITHOUT BEING TRIED. 115 00:03:28,859 --> 00:03:31,592 >> WHAT HASN'T CHANGED IS THE 116 00:03:31,595 --> 00:03:32,860 POLITICAL MAKE-UP OF CONGRESS, 117 00:03:32,863 --> 00:03:34,929 WHILE DEMOCRATS HAVE A MAJORITY 118 00:03:34,932 --> 00:03:39,133 IN THE HOUSE, AND HAVE ENOUGH TO 119 00:03:39,136 --> 00:03:40,368 SUPPORT AN INQUIRY AND PROBABLY 120 00:03:40,371 --> 00:03:41,402 IMPEACHMENT. YOU DON'T HAVE 121 00:03:41,405 --> 00:03:42,336 THOSE NUMBERS IN THE SENATE. 122 00:03:42,339 --> 00:03:44,772 DOES THAT CHANGE ANYTHING? 123 00:03:44,775 --> 00:03:45,806 >> I DON'T THINK DEMOCRATS HAVE 124 00:03:45,809 --> 00:03:46,474 ANY CREDIBILITY ON THE 125 00:03:46,477 --> 00:03:49,377 IMPEACHMENT ARGUMENT. CALLING 126 00:03:49,380 --> 00:03:50,411 FOR ANY NUMBER OF ISSUES SINCE 127 00:03:50,414 --> 00:03:52,713 PRACTICALLY INAUGURATION DAY. 128 00:03:52,716 --> 00:03:54,315 THE FACT THEY MAY THINK THIS IS 129 00:03:54,318 --> 00:03:57,852 THE MOST CREDITABLE DOESN'T 130 00:03:57,855 --> 00:03:59,587 CHANGE THE FACT THAT IT IS 131 00:03:59,590 --> 00:04:00,988 POLITICALLY IRRELEVANT. THE 132 00:04:00,991 --> 00:04:01,856 IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS 133 00:04:01,859 --> 00:04:03,691 THROUGHOUT HISTORY BEGAN WITH 134 00:04:03,694 --> 00:04:05,226 HOUSE VOTING TO INSTRUCT THE 135 00:04:05,229 --> 00:04:06,894 JUDICIARY COMMITTEE TO BEGIN 136 00:04:06,897 --> 00:04:10,431 THAT PROCEEDING, TO OUTLINE THE 137 00:04:10,434 --> 00:04:12,199 TERMS, THE SCOPE OF WHAT THE 138 00:04:12,202 --> 00:04:13,834 COMMITTEE MUST INVESTIGATE. 139 00:04:13,837 --> 00:04:15,803 NANCY PELOSI DOESN'T WANT THAT 140 00:04:15,806 --> 00:04:17,204 VOTE. UNLIKE PREVIOUS VOTES 141 00:04:17,207 --> 00:04:18,306 WHICH FURTHER UNDERMINES THE 142 00:04:18,309 --> 00:04:20,942 FACT THIS IS A POLITICAL EFFORT. 143 00:04:20,945 --> 00:04:22,476 I DO LIKE THE FACT THAT THIS IS 144 00:04:22,479 --> 00:04:23,945 THE MOST DEMOCRATIC PARTY THING 145 00:04:23,948 --> 00:04:25,846 EVER THAT THE ONE IMPEACHMENT 146 00:04:25,849 --> 00:04:28,449 ISSUE THEY PICKED INDICTS THEIR 147 00:04:28,452 --> 00:04:29,483 OWN FRONTRUNNER, WHO IS RUNNING 148 00:04:29,486 --> 00:04:30,818 ON ELECTABILITY AND THE ABILITY 149 00:04:30,821 --> 00:04:33,354 TO BEAT DONALD TRUMP. BECAUSE 150 00:04:33,357 --> 00:04:35,056 YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT THE CALL TO 151 00:04:35,059 --> 00:04:36,457 THE UKRAINIAN LEADER WITHOUT 152 00:04:36,460 --> 00:04:37,892 TALKING ABOUT JOE BIDEN AND THE 153 00:04:37,895 --> 00:04:39,393 FACT THAT HIS SON IS UNDER 154 00:04:39,396 --> 00:04:40,628 INVESTIGATION FOR WORKING FOR A 155 00:04:40,631 --> 00:04:41,095 COMPANY THAT JOE BIDEN WAS 156 00:04:41,098 --> 00:04:42,763 INVOLVED WITH. 157 00:04:42,766 --> 00:04:44,665 >> NOBODY SAID HUNTER BIDEN DID 158 00:04:44,668 --> 00:04:47,835 ANYTHING WRONG. ARE YOU 159 00:04:47,838 --> 00:04:48,002 DEFENDING WHAT THE PRESIDENT 160 00:04:48,005 --> 00:04:49,270 DID? 161 00:04:49,273 --> 00:04:51,639 YOU DOESN'T WANT TO ANSWER THAT 162 00:04:51,642 --> 00:04:53,040 QUESTION, DO YOU. 163 00:04:53,043 --> 00:04:54,709 >> ON TO YOU, JON. 164 00:04:54,712 --> 00:05:00,448 >> I DO WANT TO ASK THIS 165 00:05:00,451 --> 00:05:03,250 QUESTION. REPUBLICAN 166 00:05:03,253 --> 00:05:03,484 EE -- OFFICIALS ARE GOING TO BE 167 00:05:03,487 --> 00:05:03,918 ASKED. 168 00:05:03,921 --> 00:05:05,486 >> ABSOLUTELY. 169 00:05:05,489 --> 00:05:07,154 >> IF DRASTIC HAD NOT TALKED 170 00:05:07,157 --> 00:05:08,689 ABOUT IMPEACHMENT AND THEY 171 00:05:08,692 --> 00:05:11,125 OPPOSED WHAT DONALD TRUMP HAS 172 00:05:11,128 --> 00:05:12,360 DONE FROM A POLICY STANDPOINT OR 173 00:05:12,363 --> 00:05:14,295 CHARACTER, OR PERFORMANCE IN 174 00:05:14,298 --> 00:05:17,431 OFFICE, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE A 175 00:05:17,434 --> 00:05:19,567 LOT MORE CREDIBILITY THAN 176 00:05:19,570 --> 00:05:21,802 JUMPING FROM STORMY DANIELS TO 177 00:05:21,805 --> 00:05:22,036 NAME YOUR ISSUE TO THE UKRAINIAN 178 00:05:22,039 --> 00:05:22,603 LEADER. 179 00:05:22,606 --> 00:05:24,605 >> THERE ARE SO MANY. 180 00:05:24,608 --> 00:05:25,973 >> TO THIS END, I WANT TO ASK 181 00:05:25,976 --> 00:05:27,508 ABOUT THE SORT OF POLITICAL 182 00:05:27,511 --> 00:05:29,610 QUESTION, WHICH IS PRESUMING 183 00:05:29,613 --> 00:05:31,579 THAT DONALD TRUMP IS STILL 184 00:05:31,582 --> 00:05:33,014 RUNNING FOR REELECTION IN 2020. 185 00:05:33,017 --> 00:05:34,448 RIGHT NOW THERE IS NO REASON TO 186 00:05:34,451 --> 00:05:39,053 THINK THAT IS NOT TRUE. 187 00:05:39,056 --> 00:05:41,422 >> START THAT RUMOR. 188 00:05:41,425 --> 00:05:42,623 >> HOW DOES THIS IMPACT HIS 189 00:05:42,626 --> 00:05:44,325 CHANCES OF RE-ELECTION? 190 00:05:44,328 --> 00:05:46,761 DOES IT REALLY CHANGE IT? 191 00:05:46,764 --> 00:05:48,262 >> I THINK IT IMPROVES IT. 192 00:05:48,265 --> 00:05:48,929 ELIZABETH WARREN IS IN THE 193 00:05:48,932 --> 00:05:50,931 DRIVER SEAT. 194 00:05:50,934 --> 00:05:52,566 >> IT MIGHT BENEFIT HIM IN ONE 195 00:05:52,569 --> 00:05:54,101 WAY. AND YOUR POINT WAS RIGHT ON 196 00:05:54,104 --> 00:05:56,037 TARGET, BRANDON, THAT IS THAT 197 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,572 THE MAKEUP OF CONGRESS IS NOT 198 00:05:58,575 --> 00:06:00,241 GOING TO CHANGE. SO, IN ALL 199 00:06:00,244 --> 00:06:02,376 LIKELIHOOD, AFTER SOME SORT OF 200 00:06:02,379 --> 00:06:05,613 INVESTIGATION, CHANCES ARE WE 201 00:06:05,616 --> 00:06:08,916 WILL SEE AN IMPEACHMENT VOTE, 202 00:06:08,919 --> 00:06:09,850 AND IT WILL PREVAIL IN THE 203 00:06:09,853 --> 00:06:11,085 HOUSE. BARRING HUGE SURPRISE, HE 204 00:06:11,088 --> 00:06:13,854 DID NOT BE CONVICTED IN THE 205 00:06:13,857 --> 00:06:17,058 SENATE. SO BASICALLY, IT WILL BE 206 00:06:17,061 --> 00:06:19,493 THE BILL CLINTON. I'M NOT TRYING 207 00:06:19,496 --> 00:06:19,760 TO EQUATE THE TWO. 208 00:06:19,763 --> 00:06:21,395 >> GOOD. 209 00:06:21,398 --> 00:06:23,831 >> BILL CLINTON HAD A BIT OF A 210 00:06:23,834 --> 00:06:25,533 BUMP WITH HIS CORE CONSTITUENCY, 211 00:06:25,536 --> 00:06:28,035 WITH THE FACTION THAT SAID 212 00:06:28,038 --> 00:06:29,236 THEY'RE TRYING TO MESS OVER OUR 213 00:06:29,239 --> 00:06:30,905 GUY. I'M JUST SAYING THE 214 00:06:30,908 --> 00:06:33,140 POLITICAL REALITY IS HERE, I'M 215 00:06:33,143 --> 00:06:35,076 NOT SAYING WHAT IS RIGHT OR 216 00:06:35,079 --> 00:06:36,510 WRONG. AND THEN, IF IN FACT THE 217 00:06:36,513 --> 00:06:39,213 SENATE VOTE GOES THAT WAY, HE 218 00:06:39,216 --> 00:06:41,816 CAN SAY, AS HE DID WITH THE 219 00:06:41,819 --> 00:06:44,752 ROBERT MUELLER REPORT, I'VE BEEN 220 00:06:44,755 --> 00:06:45,853 VINDICATED. AND, AGAIN, THERE'S 221 00:06:45,856 --> 00:06:47,822 NO APPRECIATION FOR NUANCE IN 222 00:06:47,825 --> 00:06:50,024 ANY OF THIS. WHEN YOU PAINT IN 223 00:06:50,027 --> 00:06:50,291 BROAD STROKES, THAT'S THE 224 00:06:50,294 --> 00:06:51,459 APPROACH. 225 00:06:51,462 --> 00:06:53,027 >> LET ME ASK THE POLITICAL 226 00:06:53,030 --> 00:06:53,894 QUESTION, DOES THIS ROLL 227 00:06:53,897 --> 00:06:55,162 DOWNHILL BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT 228 00:06:55,165 --> 00:06:57,832 NOVEMBER IN EITHER DIRECTION? 229 00:06:57,835 --> 00:07:00,234 >> I THINK IT DEPENDS. WE NOW 230 00:07:00,237 --> 00:07:01,268 FROM THE WHISTLEBLOWER 231 00:07:01,271 --> 00:07:02,803 COMPLAINT, WHICH IDENTIFIES 232 00:07:02,806 --> 00:07:05,005 OTHER PEOPLE THAT CAN BE 233 00:07:05,008 --> 00:07:06,207 WITNESSES, IT KIND OF DEPENDS IF 234 00:07:06,210 --> 00:07:09,877 THERE'S MORE OF AN INVESTIGATION 235 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:11,378 TO WHAT WE SEE, ALSO BE 236 00:07:11,381 --> 00:07:13,180 INTERESTING WHERE MIKE PENCE 237 00:07:13,183 --> 00:07:14,815 FALLS INTO ALL THIS. HE IS 238 00:07:14,818 --> 00:07:16,450 OBVIOUSLY STANDING BY HIS MAN, 239 00:07:16,453 --> 00:07:18,185 SO TO SPEAK. HE DID ENCOURAGE 240 00:07:18,188 --> 00:07:20,321 THE PRESIDENT NOT TO RELEASE 241 00:07:20,324 --> 00:07:22,223 THAT CALL. SO, I MEAN, WE'LL 242 00:07:22,226 --> 00:07:22,490 STILL SEE HOW HE FALLS OUT IN 243 00:07:22,493 --> 00:07:24,925 ALL THIS. 244 00:07:24,928 --> 00:07:29,130 >> WE'LL SEE, AND WE'LL SEE WHAT 245 00:07:29,133 --> 00:07:29,396 THE SENATORS WHO DON'T VOTE TO 246 00:07:29,399 --> 00:07:30,498 IMPEACH. 247 00:07:30,501 --> 00:07:31,298 >> NO GUARANTEE THERE WILL BE A 248 00:07:31,301 --> 00:07:33,834 VOTE IN THE SENATE. 249 00:07:33,837 --> 00:07:35,169 >> THAT MAY BE. EVEN SO -- 250 00:07:35,172 --> 00:07:36,837 >> OR THE HOUSE. 251 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:37,071 >> NO GUARANTEE IS VOTE IN THE 252 00:07:37,074 --> 00:07:38,339 HOUSE. 253 00:07:38,342 --> 00:07:40,441 >> BUT IF THE EVIDENCE... 254 00:07:40,444 --> 00:07:42,943 >> BECAUSE SHE KNOWS AND 255 00:07:42,946 --> 00:07:44,478 REMEMBERS IN SWING DISTRICTS 256 00:07:44,481 --> 00:07:45,846 THAT TOOK THEM FROM GOP...THIS 257 00:07:45,849 --> 00:07:48,048 IS NOT POPULAR. 258 00:07:48,051 --> 00:07:49,416 >> IT WAS THE MEMBERS IN SWING 259 00:07:49,419 --> 00:07:50,684 DISTRICTS WHO DID THE LETTER TO 260 00:07:50,687 --> 00:07:51,919 THE EDITOR ASKING FOR THE 261 00:07:51,922 --> 00:07:53,454 INQUIRY, THEY THINK THIS CONDUCT 262 00:07:53,457 --> 00:07:54,054 IS SO EGREGIOUS. 263 00:07:54,057 --> 00:07:54,522 TIME NOW FOR VIEWER FEEDBACK. 264 00:07:54,525 --> 00:07:55,923 EACH WEEK WE POSE AN 265 00:07:55,926 --> 00:07:57,258 UNSCIENTIFIC, ONLINE POLL 266 00:07:57,261 --> 00:07:57,858 QUESTION IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR 267 00:07:57,861 --> 00:07:58,459 ICEMILLER E-MAIL AND TEXT 268 00:07:58,462 --> 00:08:00,461 ALERTS. 269 00:08:00,464 --> 00:08:02,296 THIS WEEK'S QUESTION: 270 00:08:02,299 --> 00:08:03,731 HOW WILL THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY 271 00:08:03,734 --> 00:08:05,833 IMPACT PRESIDENT TRUMP'S 272 00:08:05,836 --> 00:08:06,200 RE-ELECTION CHANCES? 273 00:08:06,203 --> 00:08:07,968 A. IT HELPS HIM. 274 00:08:07,971 --> 00:08:08,569 B. IT HURTS HIM. 275 00:08:08,572 --> 00:08:08,802 C. IT WILL HAVE LITTLE TO NO 276 00:08:08,805 --> 00:08:09,270 EFFECT. 277 00:08:09,273 --> 00:08:10,337 LAST WEEK'S QUESTION: 278 00:08:10,340 --> 00:08:13,841 WHO WILL BE THE DEMOCRATIC 279 00:08:13,844 --> 00:08:18,579 NOMINEE FOR GOVERNOR IN 2020? 280 00:08:18,582 --> 00:08:21,615 A. WOODY MYERS. 281 00:08:21,618 --> 00:08:22,316 28%. 47%, JOSH OWNS. 25% SOMEONE 282 00:08:22,319 --> 00:08:22,950 ELSE. 283 00:08:22,953 --> 00:08:25,452 IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TAKE PART 284 00:08:25,455 --> 00:08:25,920 IN THE POLL GO TO WFYI.ORG/IWIR 285 00:08:25,923 --> 00:08:27,254 AND LOOK FOR THE POLL. 286 00:08:27,257 --> 00:08:28,722 A NEW LAWSUIT IS CHALLENGING 287 00:08:28,725 --> 00:08:30,524 INDIANA'S WORK REQUIREMENTS FOR 288 00:08:30,527 --> 00:08:32,226 THE STATE'S MEDICAID EXPANSION 289 00:08:32,229 --> 00:08:32,993 PROGRAM, HIP. INDIANA PUBLIC 290 00:08:32,996 --> 00:08:36,197 BROADCASTING'S JILL SHERIDAN HAS 291 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:36,830 MORE. 292 00:08:36,833 --> 00:08:37,831 MEDICAID WORK REQUIREMENTS HAVE 293 00:08:37,834 --> 00:08:39,200 BEEN STRUCK DOWN IN THREE OTHER 294 00:08:39,203 --> 00:08:40,434 STATES. INDIANA'S GATEWAY TO 295 00:08:40,437 --> 00:08:41,435 WORK PROGRAM LAUNCHED AT THE 296 00:08:41,438 --> 00:08:44,205 BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR AND 297 00:08:44,208 --> 00:08:45,806 PEOPLE HAD TO START REPORTING 298 00:08:45,809 --> 00:08:46,073 WORK, SCHOOL OR VOLUNTEER HOURS 299 00:08:46,076 --> 00:08:48,108 IN JULY. 300 00:08:48,111 --> 00:08:48,676 HIP MEMBERS WILL BE REQUIRED TO 301 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:50,077 REPORT 80 HOURS A MONTH BY 302 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:51,845 JANUARY 2020. THERE ARE A 303 00:08:51,848 --> 00:08:52,546 NUMBER OF EXEMPTIONS INCLUDING 304 00:08:52,549 --> 00:08:54,048 CAREGIVERS OR MEDICALLY FRAIL 305 00:08:54,051 --> 00:08:56,283 INDIVIDUALS. 306 00:08:56,286 --> 00:08:57,384 IN A WRITTEN STATEMENT, INDIANA 307 00:08:57,387 --> 00:08:58,018 GOVERNOR ERIC HOLCOMB SAYS 308 00:08:58,021 --> 00:08:58,586 INDIANA'S PROGRAM IS DIFFERENT. 309 00:08:58,589 --> 00:08:59,853 HE SAYS IT INCLUDES, QUOTE, 310 00:08:59,856 --> 00:09:01,355 “SUPPORTS AND PATHWAYS TO ENSURE 311 00:09:01,358 --> 00:09:02,389 HOOSIERS CAN EASILY SKILL UP, 312 00:09:02,392 --> 00:09:03,791 VOLUNTEER IN THEIR COMMUNITY, OR 313 00:09:03,794 --> 00:09:07,995 GET A BETTER PAYING JOB.” MIKE 314 00:09:07,998 --> 00:09:10,731 O'BRIEN, ARE THESE WORK 315 00:09:10,734 --> 00:09:15,502 REQUIREMENTS IN JEOPARDY? 316 00:09:15,505 --> 00:09:16,870 >> COULD BE. THE OTHER STATES 317 00:09:16,873 --> 00:09:18,272 DID THROW IT OUT, INDIANA 318 00:09:18,275 --> 00:09:19,273 STRUCTURED ITS PROGRAM 319 00:09:19,276 --> 00:09:21,108 DIFFERENTLY. GAVE A LOT MORE 320 00:09:21,111 --> 00:09:23,944 FLEXIBILITY IN HOW YOU MEET THE 321 00:09:23,947 --> 00:09:24,878 REQUIREMENTS, A MUCH LONGER 322 00:09:24,881 --> 00:09:27,514 RUN-UP, EDUCATION EFFORT FOR 323 00:09:27,517 --> 00:09:28,549 COMPLIANCE, SO THE PEOPLE IN 324 00:09:28,552 --> 00:09:31,352 THIS PROGRAM COULD WORK. 325 00:09:31,355 --> 00:09:34,421 PHILOSOPHICALLY, I THINK THIS IS 326 00:09:34,424 --> 00:09:35,589 SOMETHING, IF YOU LOOK AT THE 327 00:09:35,592 --> 00:09:36,824 MEDICAID PROGRAM IN GENERAL, TGS 328 00:09:36,827 --> 00:09:40,060 NOT PREGNANT WOMEN AND CHILDREN 329 00:09:40,063 --> 00:09:41,662 MADE TO GO TO WORK, OR THE 330 00:09:41,665 --> 00:09:43,030 DISABLED, OR ELDERLY FOR 331 00:09:43,033 --> 00:09:44,665 MEDICARE AND MEDICAID, IT IS 332 00:09:44,668 --> 00:09:46,433 WORKING PEOPLE. AND IF WE'VE GOT 333 00:09:46,436 --> 00:09:48,802 MAJOR PARTY CANDIDATES FOR 334 00:09:48,805 --> 00:09:52,406 PRESIDENT CALLING FOR MEDICARE 335 00:09:52,409 --> 00:09:54,575 FOR ALL, OR A FULL EXPANSION, IF 336 00:09:54,578 --> 00:09:55,242 THAT IS THE CASE, IT IS NOT 337 00:09:55,245 --> 00:09:57,411 UNREASONABLE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO 338 00:09:57,414 --> 00:09:59,580 GET THIS FREE BENEFIT, OR THIS 339 00:09:59,583 --> 00:10:01,315 TAXPAYER PAID BENEFIT, THEN YOU 340 00:10:01,318 --> 00:10:02,483 OUGHT TO PUT SOMETHING BACK IN, 341 00:10:02,486 --> 00:10:03,984 WHETHER IT'S COMMUNITY SERVICE, 342 00:10:03,987 --> 00:10:05,552 GO VOLUNTEER, OR GO GET A JOB 343 00:10:05,555 --> 00:10:07,488 FOR 20 HOURS A WEEK, AND GIVE 344 00:10:07,491 --> 00:10:08,589 BACK THAT WAY. WE'RE GOING TO 345 00:10:08,592 --> 00:10:09,623 CONTINUE TO GO IN DIRECTION 346 00:10:09,626 --> 00:10:11,325 WHERE GOVERNMENT PROVIDED 347 00:10:11,328 --> 00:10:14,862 HEALTHCARE CONTINUES TO EXPAND. 348 00:10:14,865 --> 00:10:16,096 AND IT'S NOT THE OLD VULNERABLE 349 00:10:16,099 --> 00:10:17,631 POPULATIONS ANYMORE, PEOPLE 350 00:10:17,634 --> 00:10:19,833 THINK OF WE'RE MAKING PEOPLE ON 351 00:10:19,836 --> 00:10:20,034 MEDICAID GO TO WORK, WHAT ARE WE 352 00:10:20,037 --> 00:10:21,935 DOING? 353 00:10:21,938 --> 00:10:22,836 >> THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT 354 00:10:22,839 --> 00:10:23,771 WAYS YOU CAN MEET THIS 355 00:10:23,774 --> 00:10:25,272 REQUIREMENT, YOU DON'T 356 00:10:25,275 --> 00:10:26,807 NECESSARILY HAVE TO GET A JOB. 357 00:10:26,810 --> 00:10:27,274 IT'S JOB TRAINING, VOLUNTEERING, 358 00:10:27,277 --> 00:10:29,843 THINGS LIKE THAT. 359 00:10:29,846 --> 00:10:33,847 DO ALL OF THOSE OPTIONS MAKE 360 00:10:33,850 --> 00:10:36,050 THIS MORE PALATABLE? 361 00:10:36,053 --> 00:10:37,051 >> BARELY. EVERY TIME I GET 362 00:10:37,054 --> 00:10:38,485 REPUBLICANS WANTING TO DO 363 00:10:38,488 --> 00:10:39,753 SOMETHING FOR THE POOR PEOPLE, I 364 00:10:39,756 --> 00:10:41,388 WANT TO LIFT UP THE COVER TO SEE 365 00:10:41,391 --> 00:10:43,123 WHAT IS THERE. YOU'RE TALKING 366 00:10:43,126 --> 00:10:44,491 ABOUT 100,000 PEOPLE AND YOU'RE 367 00:10:44,494 --> 00:10:46,293 GOING TO ESTABLISH AN ENTIRE 368 00:10:46,296 --> 00:10:47,895 BUREAUCRACY TO MONITOR IT. THAT 369 00:10:47,898 --> 00:10:49,830 MONEY WOULD MUCH BETTER BE PUT 370 00:10:49,833 --> 00:10:51,365 TO OTHER PURPOSES, LIKE, FOR 371 00:10:51,368 --> 00:10:53,000 EXAMPLE, RAISING THE MINIMUM 372 00:10:53,003 --> 00:10:55,569 WAGE SO PEOPLE HAVE INCENTIVE, 373 00:10:55,572 --> 00:10:55,769 WHERE'S THE MARKET FORCE AT WORK 374 00:10:55,772 --> 00:10:57,338 HERE? 375 00:10:57,341 --> 00:10:58,672 WE HAVE THE LOWEST UNEMPLOYMENT 376 00:10:58,675 --> 00:11:01,108 WE'VE HAD, AND YET WE CAN'T 377 00:11:01,111 --> 00:11:02,209 RAISE THE MINIMUM WAGE TO MAKE 378 00:11:02,212 --> 00:11:04,645 IT ATTRACTIVE FOR PEOPLE TO TRY 379 00:11:04,648 --> 00:11:06,613 TO FIND WORK. INSTEAD WE WANT TO 380 00:11:06,616 --> 00:11:08,615 HARASS THEM BECAUSE GOD FORBID 381 00:11:08,618 --> 00:11:12,086 THEY GET SICK AND WE HAVE TO PAY 382 00:11:12,089 --> 00:11:14,722 NOR IT. YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS 383 00:11:14,725 --> 00:11:15,389 WHEN THEY'RE OFF MEDICAID, HIGH 384 00:11:15,392 --> 00:11:17,391 PRESSURE TENSION AND DIABETES 385 00:11:17,394 --> 00:11:18,759 GET OUT OF CONTROL, AND THEY GO 386 00:11:18,762 --> 00:11:21,095 TO EMERGENCY ROOMS, AND IT COST 387 00:11:21,098 --> 00:11:22,830 US MORE. SO EVERY TIME THE 388 00:11:22,833 --> 00:11:25,866 REPUBLICANS TRY TO DO SOMETHING, 389 00:11:25,869 --> 00:11:27,968 ALL THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO 390 00:11:27,971 --> 00:11:29,603 BASICALLY SLAP PEOPLE WHO ARE 391 00:11:29,606 --> 00:11:33,273 NOW POOR AND SICK DOWN. AND I'M 392 00:11:33,276 --> 00:11:33,807 GETTING A LITTLE TIRED OF IT, 393 00:11:33,810 --> 00:11:36,143 FRANKLY. 394 00:11:36,146 --> 00:11:37,144 >> ANY OF THESE OTHER STATES WHO 395 00:11:37,147 --> 00:11:39,913 HAVE LAWSUITS AGAINST THEIR 396 00:11:39,916 --> 00:11:41,281 PROGRAMS, THE GOVERNORS, AND 397 00:11:41,284 --> 00:11:43,317 THOSE STATES, THE LEGISLATURES 398 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:44,952 WHO HAVE FACED A LOT OF 399 00:11:44,955 --> 00:11:45,853 SCRUTINY. WE HAVEN'T SEEN THAT 400 00:11:45,856 --> 00:11:48,722 AT ALL, HAVE WE? 401 00:11:48,725 --> 00:11:49,857 >> NO. THE ROLLOUT HAS BEEN 402 00:11:49,860 --> 00:11:51,859 EXTREMELY QUIET. A FEW STORIES 403 00:11:51,862 --> 00:11:55,329 HERE AND THERE. I THINK THAT IS 404 00:11:55,332 --> 00:11:56,597 PARTIALLY BECAUSE OF THE LARGE 405 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:58,165 NUMBER OF EXEMPTIONS OR WAYS YOU 406 00:11:58,168 --> 00:11:59,600 CAN FILL IT. I THINK WE'RE 407 00:11:59,603 --> 00:12:01,068 GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE A LOT 408 00:12:01,071 --> 00:12:03,404 OF SORT AVERAGE FOLKS OUT THERE 409 00:12:03,407 --> 00:12:04,705 THINK, YOU KNOW, GOODNESS, YOU 410 00:12:04,708 --> 00:12:06,807 KNOW, YES, MAYBE YOUR CURRENT 411 00:12:06,810 --> 00:12:08,075 JOB DOESN'T WORK, BUT THERE'S SO 412 00:12:08,078 --> 00:12:09,676 MANY JOBS OUT THERE THAT NEED TO 413 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,479 BE FILLED, AND IT'S ONLY 20 414 00:12:12,482 --> 00:12:15,182 HOURS A WEEK. WE'RE NOT ASKING 415 00:12:15,185 --> 00:12:17,484 THEM TO -- ON, WORK 60-HOUR 416 00:12:17,487 --> 00:12:17,885 WEEKS AND NOT BE ABLE TO RAISE 417 00:12:17,888 --> 00:12:19,987 THEIR FAMILY. 418 00:12:19,990 --> 00:12:21,588 >> THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO 419 00:12:21,591 --> 00:12:23,056 ARE INJURED OR WHATEVER WHO 420 00:12:23,059 --> 00:12:24,825 HAVEN'T QUALIFIED FOR SOCIAL 421 00:12:24,828 --> 00:12:26,527 SECURITY DISABILITY, WHICH IS 422 00:12:26,530 --> 00:12:28,295 REALLY TOUGH TO DO. AND ARE IN A 423 00:12:28,298 --> 00:12:30,097 POSITION TO WORK, AND EVEN IF 424 00:12:30,100 --> 00:12:33,033 THEY WORK, THEY'RE GOING TO BE 425 00:12:33,036 --> 00:12:35,702 WORKING FOR $7.25, OR MAYBE 8, 426 00:12:35,705 --> 00:12:37,438 OR 9 AN HOUR, WITHOUT BENEFITS. 427 00:12:37,441 --> 00:12:39,406 >> BUT DOES THE ARGUMENT NIKI 428 00:12:39,409 --> 00:12:40,474 JUST MADE, THE IDEA OF ALL THE 429 00:12:40,477 --> 00:12:41,675 DIFFERENT WAYS YOU CAN QUALIFY, 430 00:12:41,678 --> 00:12:42,876 YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORK A FULL 431 00:12:42,879 --> 00:12:45,712 TIME JOB IN ORDER TO CONTINUE TO 432 00:12:45,715 --> 00:12:46,480 GET THESE BENEFITS, DOES NA HELP 433 00:12:46,483 --> 00:12:48,348 ERIC HOLCOMB IN THE COURT OF 434 00:12:48,351 --> 00:12:48,682 PUBLIC OPINION WHEN HE RUNS FOR 435 00:12:48,685 --> 00:12:50,918 RE-ELECTION? 436 00:12:50,921 --> 00:12:52,252 >> IT PROBABLY DOES, FOR THE 437 00:12:52,255 --> 00:12:55,856 REASONS THAT NIKI SPELLED OUT, 438 00:12:55,859 --> 00:12:56,757 THE NOTION THAT SPORT OF THE 439 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:58,158 HOOSIER COMMON SENSE PHILOSOPHY 440 00:12:58,161 --> 00:13:00,260 THAT YOU DON'T GET ANYTHING FOR 441 00:13:00,263 --> 00:13:00,627 FREE, YOU GOT TO HAVE SOME SKIN 442 00:13:00,630 --> 00:13:03,230 IN THE GAME. 443 00:13:03,233 --> 00:13:05,232 >> WE DO LOVE THAT PHRASE. 444 00:13:05,235 --> 00:13:07,000 >> SO HEALTHCARE IS NOT A RIGHT. 445 00:13:07,003 --> 00:13:08,969 >> LOOK, I'M TELLING YOU THE 446 00:13:08,972 --> 00:13:11,138 REALITIES OF IT. I'M NOT TELLING 447 00:13:11,141 --> 00:13:13,407 YOU MY OPINION. AS A PRACTICAL 448 00:13:13,410 --> 00:13:17,644 MATTER, OUR OPINIONS DON'T 449 00:13:17,647 --> 00:13:19,480 MATTER, AND FRANKLY HOOSIER 450 00:13:19,483 --> 00:13:21,281 VOTERS DOESN'T MATTER, THE 451 00:13:21,284 --> 00:13:23,884 DISTRICT JUDGE, THE SAME JUDGE 452 00:13:23,887 --> 00:13:25,185 WHO DECIDED THE KENTUCKY, BAM, 453 00:13:25,188 --> 00:13:27,054 OR ARK, KENTUCKY AND NEW 454 00:13:27,057 --> 00:13:29,289 HAMPSHIRE CASES. IF YOU READ 455 00:13:29,292 --> 00:13:31,024 WHAT HE RULED, IN THOSE CASINGS, 456 00:13:31,027 --> 00:13:32,793 IT WASN'T ABOUT HOW NICE THE 457 00:13:32,796 --> 00:13:36,196 STATE WAS, OR HOW MEAN THE STATE 458 00:13:36,199 --> 00:13:39,333 WAS, IT COMES DOWN TO WHETHER IT 459 00:13:39,336 --> 00:13:41,802 WAS BASICALLY A THUMBING OF THE 460 00:13:41,805 --> 00:13:43,570 NOSE, BASICALLY AT THE 461 00:13:43,573 --> 00:13:45,606 STATUTE -- THE STATUTE THAT 462 00:13:45,609 --> 00:13:48,175 CREATED THE MEDICAID PROGRAM. 463 00:13:48,178 --> 00:13:50,677 SO, IT REALLY DOESN'T -- IF 464 00:13:50,680 --> 00:13:51,879 THAT'S WHAT, UPON WHICH THE 465 00:13:51,882 --> 00:13:54,748 PENDULUM UPON WHICH THIS HINGES 466 00:13:54,751 --> 00:13:55,949 FOR HIM, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF 467 00:13:55,952 --> 00:14:00,654 SOMEONE SHOWS UP AT YOUR HOUSE 468 00:14:00,657 --> 00:14:01,588 AND DRIVES YOU TO YOUR JOB, IT'S 469 00:14:01,591 --> 00:14:04,558 STILL PROBLEMATIC. 470 00:14:04,561 --> 00:14:07,160 >> A TECHNICAL LEGAL ARGUMENT. 471 00:14:07,163 --> 00:14:08,795 >> ALL RENDERED MOOT BY THE U.S. 472 00:14:08,798 --> 00:14:10,330 COURT OF APPEALS, WHICH ARE 473 00:14:10,333 --> 00:14:13,333 HEARING OTHER STATE'S APPEALS. 474 00:14:13,336 --> 00:14:13,834 >> IT PROBABLY WON'T BE THE 475 00:14:13,837 --> 00:14:15,769 INDIANA CASE. 476 00:14:15,772 --> 00:14:16,470 >> JUDGES MATTER MORE THAN WE 477 00:14:16,473 --> 00:14:17,771 DO. 478 00:14:17,774 --> 00:14:17,905 >> THEY GENERALLY DO. 479 00:14:17,908 --> 00:14:18,739 >> 480 00:14:18,742 --> 00:14:20,007 SECRETARY OF STATE CONNIE LAWSON 481 00:14:20,010 --> 00:14:20,841 SAYS INDIANA LEGISLATORS 482 00:14:20,844 --> 00:14:21,542 WOULDN'T PROVIDE FUNDING FOR 483 00:14:21,545 --> 00:14:22,643 ELECTION SECURITY MEASURES AT 484 00:14:22,646 --> 00:14:23,577 THE LEVEL SHE WANTED THOUGH SHE 485 00:14:23,580 --> 00:14:24,845 SAYS HOOSIERS SHOULD STILL HAVE 486 00:14:24,848 --> 00:14:28,482 CONFIDENCE THEIR VOTES ARE 487 00:14:28,485 --> 00:14:29,316 SECURE. 488 00:14:29,319 --> 00:14:32,052 ABOUT TWO-THIRDS OF INDIANA 489 00:14:32,055 --> 00:14:34,488 COUNTIES USE ELECTRONIC VOTING 490 00:14:34,491 --> 00:14:37,758 MACHINES THAT EXPERTS SAY SHOULD 491 00:14:37,761 --> 00:14:38,325 INCLUDE PAPER AUDIT TRAILS. THE 492 00:14:38,328 --> 00:14:38,959 GENERAL ASSEMBLY THIS YEAR 493 00:14:38,962 --> 00:14:40,460 APPROPRIATED 10 MILLION DOLLARS 494 00:14:40,463 --> 00:14:41,862 IN THE NEW STATE BUDGET FOR 495 00:14:41,865 --> 00:14:42,462 ELECTION SECURITY WHICH WILL PAY 496 00:14:42,465 --> 00:14:43,363 TO ADD THOSE PAPER TRAILS TO 497 00:14:43,366 --> 00:14:45,832 JUST 10 PERCENT OF THE MACHINES 498 00:14:45,835 --> 00:14:48,435 THAT NEED THEM BY NEXT YEAR. 499 00:14:48,438 --> 00:14:49,069 LAWSON SAYS SHE INITIALLY ASKED 500 00:14:49,072 --> 00:14:49,636 BUDGET WRITERS FOR MORE MONEY. 501 00:14:49,639 --> 00:14:50,270 SECRETARY OF STATE CONNIE 502 00:14:50,273 --> 00:14:53,674 LAWSON: BUT THEY TOLD US TO GET 503 00:14:53,677 --> 00:14:55,108 REAL. SO, WE GOT REAL AND WE 504 00:14:55,111 --> 00:15:01,615 TRIED TO HONE IT DOWN TO WHERE 505 00:15:01,618 --> 00:15:02,182 IT WAS POSSIBLE TO GET THE 506 00:15:02,185 --> 00:15:02,716 DOLLARS IT WILL BE A DECADE 507 00:15:02,719 --> 00:15:04,484 BEFORE ALL INDIANA VOTING 508 00:15:04,487 --> 00:15:05,118 MACHINES THAT NEED PAPER TRAILS 509 00:15:05,121 --> 00:15:07,854 GET THEM, UNLESS COUNTIES MOVE 510 00:15:07,857 --> 00:15:11,625 FORWARD ON THEIR OWN. 511 00:15:11,628 --> 00:15:14,661 NIKI KELLY, THIS IS THE FIRST 512 00:15:14,664 --> 00:15:17,397 TIME LAWSON HAS SAID SHE WANTED 513 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:21,835 MORE MONEY THAN LAWMAKERS WOULD 514 00:15:21,838 --> 00:15:23,136 PROVIDE. DOES THAT CHANGE THE 515 00:15:23,139 --> 00:15:25,939 DISCUSSION AROUND THIS ISSUE? 516 00:15:25,942 --> 00:15:28,775 >> I DON'T THINK SO. ULTIMATELY, 517 00:15:28,778 --> 00:15:30,510 BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S HOW THE 518 00:15:30,513 --> 00:15:32,212 BUDGET SYSTEMS BASICALLY WORKS. 519 00:15:32,215 --> 00:15:33,847 EVERY SINGLE AGENCY WENT TO THEM 520 00:15:33,850 --> 00:15:36,583 WANTING MORE MONEY, I'LL BET. 521 00:15:36,586 --> 00:15:39,119 AND THEY HAD TO BE MORE 522 00:15:39,122 --> 00:15:39,987 REALISTIC. THEY DIDN'T EVEN GIVE 523 00:15:39,990 --> 00:15:40,454 DCS WHAT THEY WANTED. 524 00:15:40,457 --> 00:15:42,255 >> TRUE. 525 00:15:42,258 --> 00:15:44,291 >> I DO THINK THE REAL QUESTION 526 00:15:44,294 --> 00:15:45,792 IS ONCE WE REALIZE WE HAVE ALL 527 00:15:45,795 --> 00:15:48,862 THIS EXTRA MONEY, LIKE WHY 528 00:15:48,865 --> 00:15:51,999 DIDN'T WE THROW SOME EXTRA MONEY 529 00:15:52,002 --> 00:15:53,700 AT MAKING THESE MACHINES 530 00:15:53,703 --> 00:15:56,169 CORRECT, OR MORE SECURE FOR THIS 531 00:15:56,172 --> 00:15:59,806 YEAR INSTEAD OF BUILDING THE 532 00:15:59,809 --> 00:16:01,408 SWINE BARN FOR -- OUT OF CASH, 533 00:16:01,411 --> 00:16:04,011 INSTEAD OF BONDING. 534 00:16:04,014 --> 00:16:05,045 >> DOES IT FALL LESS ON 535 00:16:05,048 --> 00:16:06,813 LAWMAKERS WHO WOULDN'T FIND ROOM 536 00:16:06,816 --> 00:16:08,749 IN THE BUDGET FOR THIS AND OTHER 537 00:16:08,752 --> 00:16:11,852 THINGS, OR MORE ON WHY AREN'T WE 538 00:16:11,855 --> 00:16:12,486 USING SOME OF THE $400 MILLION 539 00:16:12,489 --> 00:16:14,888 SURPLUS? 540 00:16:14,891 --> 00:16:16,089 >> IT'S A MIX. THERE ARE SOME 541 00:16:16,092 --> 00:16:17,858 THAT DOUBT THERE IS ANY THREAT 542 00:16:17,861 --> 00:16:20,327 TO THE SANCTITY OF OUR 543 00:16:20,330 --> 00:16:20,527 ELECTIONS, SO THEY THINK THIS 544 00:16:20,530 --> 00:16:21,061 IS... 545 00:16:21,064 --> 00:16:22,496 >> OVERBLOWN. 546 00:16:22,499 --> 00:16:25,232 >> THEN YOU HAVE THOSE WHO JUST 547 00:16:25,235 --> 00:16:25,832 LOOK AT THE DEMANDS, AND THE 548 00:16:25,835 --> 00:16:27,634 PRESSING NATURE OF SO MUCH 549 00:16:27,637 --> 00:16:28,969 THINGS IN THIS STATE. DO YOU 550 00:16:28,972 --> 00:16:29,870 GUARD AGAINST SOMETHING THAT, 551 00:16:29,873 --> 00:16:31,638 OKAY, EVEN IF WE ACKNOWLEDGE 552 00:16:31,641 --> 00:16:34,341 THERE WERE PROBLEMS, DO WE SPEND 553 00:16:34,344 --> 00:16:35,842 A LOT OF MONEY TO GUARD AGAINST 554 00:16:35,845 --> 00:16:38,378 THAT TO THE ENDth DEGREE, OR 555 00:16:38,381 --> 00:16:39,780 TAKE A STEP AND DEAL WITH THE 556 00:16:39,783 --> 00:16:41,214 OTHER FINANCIAL FRESHES AND 557 00:16:41,217 --> 00:16:42,883 CHALLENGES WE FACE AS A STATE. 558 00:16:42,886 --> 00:16:44,451 AND THEN I THINK YOU HAVE A FAIR 559 00:16:44,454 --> 00:16:46,920 NUMBER WHO ARE JUST STILL 560 00:16:46,923 --> 00:16:49,122 HOLDING ONTO THE HOPE THAT THE 561 00:16:49,125 --> 00:16:52,859 FEDS COME IN OVER THE MOUNTAIN 562 00:16:52,862 --> 00:16:56,930 TOP, RIDING THE HORSES OF RESCUE 563 00:16:56,933 --> 00:16:57,931 AND DELIVER FEDERAL FUNDS. 564 00:16:57,934 --> 00:16:59,800 $7.5 MILLION IN FEDERAL GRANT 565 00:16:59,803 --> 00:17:03,170 MONEYS SHE'S USING. BUT I THINK 566 00:17:03,173 --> 00:17:03,804 THERE ARE PEOPLE HOLDING OUT ON 567 00:17:03,807 --> 00:17:05,572 THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SAYING 568 00:17:05,575 --> 00:17:06,873 DON'T WORRY, STATES, WE GOT YOU 569 00:17:06,876 --> 00:17:09,142 COVERED ON THIS. 570 00:17:09,145 --> 00:17:10,477 >> CONNIE LAWSON POINTED OUT 571 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:11,745 MORE THAN ONCE THE COMPANIES WHO 572 00:17:11,748 --> 00:17:13,280 MAKE THESE FOR INDIANA LITERALLY 573 00:17:13,283 --> 00:17:15,415 COULDN'T MAKE ENOUGH TO PUT ON 574 00:17:15,418 --> 00:17:16,983 EVERY MACHINE THAT NEEDS ONE BY 575 00:17:16,986 --> 00:17:19,086 2020. BUT, I BET THEY COULD GET 576 00:17:19,089 --> 00:17:20,721 TO LIKE HALF. AND THAT'S 577 00:17:20,724 --> 00:17:22,389 $40 MILLION, WHICH IS ABOUT WHAT 578 00:17:22,392 --> 00:17:25,025 WE SPENT ON -- WHAT WE'RE GOING 579 00:17:25,028 --> 00:17:26,359 TO SPEND ON THE SWINE BARN. SO, 580 00:17:26,362 --> 00:17:29,362 AGAIN, DOES THIS -- DOES THAT 581 00:17:29,365 --> 00:17:29,830 NOT REFLECT WELL ON GOVERNOR 582 00:17:29,833 --> 00:17:31,264 HOLCOMB'S PRIORITIES? 583 00:17:31,267 --> 00:17:33,300 >> I THINK THERE'S A LOT GOING 584 00:17:33,303 --> 00:17:34,367 ON HERE, I THINK IT'S A MIX OF 585 00:17:34,370 --> 00:17:36,403 PEOPLE DISAGREE THERE WAS ANY 586 00:17:36,406 --> 00:17:38,405 EVIDENCE THE ELECTION WAS 587 00:17:38,408 --> 00:17:40,173 LITERALLY TAMPERED WITH, THAT 588 00:17:40,176 --> 00:17:42,209 MACHINES IN MARION COUNTY, OR 589 00:17:42,212 --> 00:17:44,745 HENDRICKS COUNTY, INDIANA, 590 00:17:44,748 --> 00:17:45,645 WHEREVER WERE AT RISK OR 591 00:17:45,648 --> 00:17:48,215 TAMPERED WITH. THERE'S 592 00:17:48,218 --> 00:17:49,349 PRODUCTION ISSUES ON DELIVERING 593 00:17:49,352 --> 00:17:50,684 THESE MACHINES. WE FORGET THE 594 00:17:50,687 --> 00:17:55,322 FACT THAT WE TALK ABOUT THESE ON 595 00:17:55,325 --> 00:17:58,458 THE NATIONAL LEVEL, AND WE'RE 596 00:17:58,461 --> 00:17:59,926 ASKING 92 CLERKS AND COUNCILS 597 00:17:59,929 --> 00:18:03,764 AND COMMISSIONERS TO ACTUALLY DO 598 00:18:03,767 --> 00:18:06,600 THIS, AND ACTUALLY GET THIS DONE 599 00:18:06,603 --> 00:18:08,301 IN TIME FOR MAY, WHICH IS A REAL 600 00:18:08,304 --> 00:18:10,303 LIFT. WE FORGET IN THE NATIONAL, 601 00:18:10,306 --> 00:18:11,738 ELECTIONS ARE RUN LOCALLY, 602 00:18:11,741 --> 00:18:14,775 LARGELY ONE BY VOLUNTEERS, AND 603 00:18:14,778 --> 00:18:20,147 THERE IS NOT BUY-IN THAT THE 604 00:18:20,150 --> 00:18:24,551 PAPER TRAIL IS THE SECURE OPTION 605 00:18:24,554 --> 00:18:27,721 ANYWAY. SOME AUDITABLE WAY. 606 00:18:27,724 --> 00:18:28,822 >> IS THAT THE BIGGEST ISSUE? 607 00:18:28,825 --> 00:18:30,423 WE CAN'T ALL AGREE ON EXACTLY 608 00:18:30,426 --> 00:18:32,592 WHAT WE NEED? 609 00:18:32,595 --> 00:18:35,128 >> NO. EVERYBODY AGREES HAVING A 610 00:18:35,131 --> 00:18:36,696 PAPER TRAIL IS PREFERABLE. THERE 611 00:18:36,699 --> 00:18:37,864 WAS EVIDENCE OF THE RUSSIANS 612 00:18:37,867 --> 00:18:39,499 TRYING TO GET INTO EACH STATE 613 00:18:39,502 --> 00:18:40,967 SYSTEM. THERE WAS EVIDENCE. I'M 614 00:18:40,970 --> 00:18:43,503 NOT SAYING THAT THEY CHANGED THE 615 00:18:43,506 --> 00:18:45,005 OUTCOME. NOW WE HAVE FOUR YEARS 616 00:18:45,008 --> 00:18:46,273 ELAPSING, TOO. WHO KNOWS HOW 617 00:18:46,276 --> 00:18:47,808 MUCH BETTER THEY'VE GOTTEN. BY 618 00:18:47,811 --> 00:18:48,909 THE WAY, MARION COUNTY HAS A 619 00:18:48,912 --> 00:18:52,479 PAPER BACKUP, WHICH IS WHY 620 00:18:52,482 --> 00:18:54,548 THEY'RE NOT AT RISK. BUT, WHAT 621 00:18:54,551 --> 00:18:56,550 YOU HAVE WITH THIS IS AN 622 00:18:56,553 --> 00:18:58,785 UNWILLINGNESS, THEY THINK THAT 623 00:18:58,788 --> 00:18:59,986 THE STATE'S A BANK. THAT'S WHAT 624 00:18:59,989 --> 00:19:01,855 THEY THINK. THEY COLLECT THIS 625 00:19:01,858 --> 00:19:03,590 MONEY AND HOARD IT AND SAY LOOK 626 00:19:03,593 --> 00:19:05,192 HOW GREAT WE ARE, WE HAVE ALL 627 00:19:05,195 --> 00:19:07,093 THIS MONEY IN THE BANK, AND 628 00:19:07,096 --> 00:19:08,562 THERE ARE THESE PRESSING NEEDS, 629 00:19:08,565 --> 00:19:09,763 AND I THINK THE SANCTITY OF THE 630 00:19:09,766 --> 00:19:11,198 ELECTION IS A PRETTY DARN 631 00:19:11,201 --> 00:19:12,966 PRESSING NEED, AND WE KNOW IT 632 00:19:12,969 --> 00:19:14,501 CAN BE ADDRESSED. AND IF THERE'S 633 00:19:14,504 --> 00:19:16,203 ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY FOR THOSE 634 00:19:16,206 --> 00:19:17,838 MACHINES, I'LL BET YOU THEY CAN 635 00:19:17,841 --> 00:19:20,006 GET DONE. THEY MAY NOT GET DONE 636 00:19:20,009 --> 00:19:20,473 BY THE PRIMARY, BUT CERTAINLY BY 637 00:19:20,476 --> 00:19:21,208 THE GENERAL ELECTION. 638 00:19:21,211 --> 00:19:21,842 >> 639 00:19:21,845 --> 00:19:22,475 INDIANA ATTORNEY GENERAL CURTIS 640 00:19:22,478 --> 00:19:25,846 HILL SAYS HE SUPPORTS A PROPOSED 641 00:19:25,849 --> 00:19:28,315 MULTI-BILLION-DOLLAR SETTLEMENT 642 00:19:28,318 --> 00:19:28,849 WITH DRUGMAKER PURDUE PHARMA. 643 00:19:28,852 --> 00:19:29,783 MORE THAN TWO DOZEN STATE 644 00:19:29,786 --> 00:19:31,685 ATTORNEYS GENERAL AND MORE THAN 645 00:19:31,688 --> 00:19:33,854 TWO THOUSAND CITIES NATIONWIDE 646 00:19:33,857 --> 00:19:34,788 REACHED A TENTATIVE SETTLEMENT 647 00:19:34,791 --> 00:19:38,091 WITH THE OXYCONTIN MAKER ACCUSED 648 00:19:38,094 --> 00:19:38,692 BY MANY OF PLAYING A MAJOR ROLE 649 00:19:38,695 --> 00:19:40,460 IN THE COUNTRY'S OPIOID ABUSE 650 00:19:40,463 --> 00:19:41,828 EPIDEMIC. 651 00:19:41,831 --> 00:19:42,729 IN A STATEMENT, CURTIS HILL'S 652 00:19:42,732 --> 00:19:44,831 OFFICE SAYS THE DEAL WOULD HOLD 653 00:19:44,834 --> 00:19:45,432 PURDUE PHARMA AND ITS OWNERS, 654 00:19:45,435 --> 00:19:46,466 THE SACKLER FAMILY, DIRECTLY 655 00:19:46,469 --> 00:19:47,367 ACCOUNTABLE AND THAT THE MONEY 656 00:19:47,370 --> 00:19:49,836 WILL FLOW TO THE PEOPLE WHO MOST 657 00:19:49,839 --> 00:19:51,071 NEED IT. 658 00:19:51,074 --> 00:19:52,472 HILL'S STATEMENT SAYS THE 659 00:19:52,475 --> 00:19:55,242 ALTERNATIVE IS AN UNCERTAIN AND 660 00:19:55,245 --> 00:19:55,876 LIKELY LENGTHY LEGAL BATTLE. 661 00:19:55,879 --> 00:19:56,977 BUT A COUPLE DOZEN OTHER STATE 662 00:19:56,980 --> 00:19:57,811 ATTORNEYS GENERAL OPPOSE THE 663 00:19:57,814 --> 00:20:00,580 DEAL, DECRYING IT AS WOEFULLY 664 00:20:00,583 --> 00:20:01,848 INADEQUATE. 665 00:20:01,851 --> 00:20:04,451 JON SCHWANTES, IS IT BETTER TO 666 00:20:04,454 --> 00:20:07,587 TAKE THE MONEY AND RUN OR HOLD 667 00:20:07,590 --> 00:20:10,090 OUT FOR MORE? 668 00:20:10,093 --> 00:20:11,858 >> IF I KNEW THE ANSWER, I WOULD 669 00:20:11,861 --> 00:20:14,794 BE AT THE CASINO MAKING MORE 670 00:20:14,797 --> 00:20:19,499 MONEY THAN I AM HERE. 671 00:20:19,502 --> 00:20:21,701 YOU KNOW, THIS IS A TOUGH ONE. I 672 00:20:21,704 --> 00:20:23,169 DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN REALLY 673 00:20:23,172 --> 00:20:24,938 ASSIGN A LOT OF POLITICAL 674 00:20:24,941 --> 00:20:26,640 MOTIVATION HERE. I WILL SAY THAT 675 00:20:26,643 --> 00:20:28,675 THERE ARE A LOT OF THEORIES 676 00:20:28,678 --> 00:20:29,843 GOING AROUND. IF YOU LOOK AT HOW 677 00:20:29,846 --> 00:20:31,745 ATTORNEYS GENERAL ACROSS THE 678 00:20:31,748 --> 00:20:33,013 COUNTRY HAVE BROKEN DOWN ON THIS 679 00:20:33,016 --> 00:20:35,248 ISSUE, IT'S, GEE, LIKE 680 00:20:35,251 --> 00:20:36,750 EVERYTHING ELSE IN OUR COUNTRY, 681 00:20:36,753 --> 00:20:39,185 ABOUT 50/50 SEEMS TO BE SPLIT. I 682 00:20:39,188 --> 00:20:41,788 THINK 20 OR SO ARE SUPPORTIVE, 683 00:20:41,791 --> 00:20:46,326 YOU HAVE 24, 25, COUPLE DOZEN. 684 00:20:46,329 --> 00:20:47,794 >> ALMOST 50/50. 685 00:20:47,797 --> 00:20:48,361 >> THEY DO TEND TO BE 686 00:20:48,364 --> 00:20:50,163 REPUBLICANS FOR DEMOCRATS 687 00:20:50,166 --> 00:20:52,799 AGAINST, WITH TWO EXCEPTIONS IN 688 00:20:52,802 --> 00:20:55,602 EACH. TWO OTHER SWITCHES. NOW 689 00:20:55,605 --> 00:20:57,837 THERE HAS BEEN REPORTING 690 00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:59,806 SUGGESTING THAT THERE HAVE BEEN 691 00:20:59,809 --> 00:21:02,409 LARGE CONTRIBUTIONS IN SUPPORT 692 00:21:02,412 --> 00:21:04,477 THAT PURDUE PHARMA AND MEMBERS 693 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:05,845 OF THE SACKLER FAMILY HAD DONE 694 00:21:05,848 --> 00:21:07,814 WHAT THE REPUBLICAN ATTORNEY 695 00:21:07,817 --> 00:21:09,883 GENERAL'S ASSOCIATION, BUT THEN 696 00:21:09,886 --> 00:21:10,784 THEY'VE ALSO GIVEN A LESSER 697 00:21:10,787 --> 00:21:11,918 AMOUNT TO THE DEMOCRATIC 698 00:21:11,921 --> 00:21:13,720 COUNTERPART TO THAT. I SUPPOSE 699 00:21:13,723 --> 00:21:15,922 YOU CAN FIND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING 700 00:21:15,925 --> 00:21:17,857 FOR. BUT, THE REALITY OF THIS IS 701 00:21:17,860 --> 00:21:21,227 WE SAW THIS WEEK ALSO THAT IF IN 702 00:21:21,230 --> 00:21:22,195 FACT AS PART OF THE BANKRUPTCY 703 00:21:22,198 --> 00:21:24,297 PROCEEDINGS, PURDUE PHARMA IS 704 00:21:24,300 --> 00:21:26,433 GOING FOR, THEY SAID IF, AS PART 705 00:21:26,436 --> 00:21:30,971 OF THE BANKRUPTCY PROCEEDINGS, 706 00:21:30,974 --> 00:21:32,906 THERE'S NOT BASICALLY A BLOCKADE 707 00:21:32,909 --> 00:21:34,341 PUT UP BY ATTORNEYS GENERAL WHO 708 00:21:34,344 --> 00:21:36,776 DON'T SUPPORT THIS, THERE MIGHT 709 00:21:36,779 --> 00:21:37,277 NOT BE ANY MONEY TO PAY THE 710 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,245 $3 BILLION... 711 00:21:39,248 --> 00:21:39,446 >> DOES THAT PLAY HEAVILY INTO 712 00:21:39,449 --> 00:21:41,047 THIS? 713 00:21:41,050 --> 00:21:43,817 >> IT SURE DOES. I DON'T THINK 714 00:21:43,820 --> 00:21:49,089 I'M QUALIFIED TO KNOW, I DON'T 715 00:21:49,092 --> 00:21:49,723 KNOW THE DETAILS OF THIS 716 00:21:49,726 --> 00:21:50,357 SETT 717 00:21:50,360 --> 00:21:52,325 SETTLEMENT. IF TURNED DOWN IT 718 00:21:52,328 --> 00:21:53,860 WOULD BE A PROTRACTED BATTLE. 719 00:21:53,863 --> 00:21:56,696 WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT BIRD IN 720 00:21:56,699 --> 00:21:58,465 THE HAND VERSUS THE FUTURE, I 721 00:21:58,468 --> 00:22:00,467 DON'T SEE IT AS COMPLETELY OUT 722 00:22:00,470 --> 00:22:03,036 OF THE REALM TO TAKE IT. 723 00:22:03,039 --> 00:22:03,636 >> THIS IS NOT THE STATES AND 724 00:22:03,639 --> 00:22:04,504 THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT GOING 725 00:22:04,507 --> 00:22:06,806 AFTER THE CIGARETTE COMPANIES. 726 00:22:06,809 --> 00:22:08,008 FIRST OF ALL, IT'S ONE COMPANY, 727 00:22:08,011 --> 00:22:09,843 AND THEY ARE IN BANKRUPTCY 728 00:22:09,846 --> 00:22:11,011 ALREADY. SO IS IT BEST TO JUST 729 00:22:11,014 --> 00:22:13,580 GET WHAT YOU CAN NOW? 730 00:22:13,583 --> 00:22:16,016 >> DEPENDS ON WHETHER OR NOT YOU 731 00:22:16,019 --> 00:22:19,419 CAN PIERCE THE CORPORATE VEIL 732 00:22:19,422 --> 00:22:21,287 AND GO AFTER THE FAMILY WHOSE 733 00:22:21,290 --> 00:22:22,422 ASSETS ARE STILL OUT THERE. YOU 734 00:22:22,425 --> 00:22:24,224 DON'T KNOW WHETHER TAKING THE 735 00:22:24,227 --> 00:22:25,825 MONEY AND RUN OR SUING IS THE 736 00:22:25,828 --> 00:22:27,594 RIGHT WAY, AND YOU WON'T KNOW 737 00:22:27,597 --> 00:22:30,030 UNTIL THIS IS OVER. IT'S 738 00:22:30,033 --> 00:22:34,434 INTERESTING TO ME THAT HE ALWAYS 739 00:22:34,437 --> 00:22:35,969 FINDS LITIGATION ADVANCES HIS 740 00:22:35,972 --> 00:22:37,037 RELIGIOUS AGENDA AND BACKS AWAY 741 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:37,837 FROM OTHER THINGS. I DON'T KNOW 742 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,173 WHETHER HE'S DOING THE RIGHT 743 00:22:40,176 --> 00:22:40,874 MOVE OR NOT. AND WE WON'T KNOW 744 00:22:40,877 --> 00:22:42,842 FOR SEVERAL YEARS. 745 00:22:42,845 --> 00:22:45,078 >> IS THAT THE BIGGEST PROBLEM, 746 00:22:45,081 --> 00:22:47,647 WE CAN'T KNOW FOR A REALLY LONG 747 00:22:47,650 --> 00:22:49,549 TIME UNTIL ALL THIS SHAKES OUT? 748 00:22:49,552 --> 00:22:51,217 >> AND PEOPLE KEEP COMPARING 749 00:22:51,220 --> 00:22:52,318 THIS TO THE TOBACCO SETTLEMENT 750 00:22:52,321 --> 00:22:54,320 AGREEMENT, WHICH IS STILL BEING 751 00:22:54,323 --> 00:22:56,689 PAID OUT OVER 20 YEARS LATER. 752 00:22:56,692 --> 00:22:59,259 THAT'S BECAUSE THE COMPANIES 753 00:22:59,262 --> 00:23:00,460 STILL EXIST, MANUFACTURE PRODUCT 754 00:23:00,463 --> 00:23:02,328 AND CONTINUE TO FUND THAT 755 00:23:02,331 --> 00:23:03,530 SETTLEMENT THAT WAY. THAT'S NOT 756 00:23:03,533 --> 00:23:03,663 THE CASE HERE. 757 00:23:03,666 --> 00:23:04,230 >> 758 00:23:04,233 --> 00:23:04,864 A NEW REPORT FROM CHALKBEAT 759 00:23:04,867 --> 00:23:05,832 SHOWS SOME INDIANA SCHOOLS MAY 760 00:23:05,835 --> 00:23:08,568 BE ARTIFICIALLY INCREASING THEIR 761 00:23:08,571 --> 00:23:09,035 GRADUATION RATES BY MASKING 762 00:23:09,038 --> 00:23:12,172 DROPOUTS AS STUDENTS 763 00:23:12,175 --> 00:23:15,442 TRANSITIONING TO HOME SCHOOLING. 764 00:23:15,445 --> 00:23:16,042 CHALKBEAT'S REPORT LOOKED AT 765 00:23:16,045 --> 00:23:16,643 2018 STUDENT DATA FROM AROUND 766 00:23:16,646 --> 00:23:18,244 THE STATE. IT FOUND THAT MORE 767 00:23:18,247 --> 00:23:19,546 THAN HALF OF THE 37 HUNDRED 768 00:23:19,549 --> 00:23:21,448 HOOSIER STUDENTS RECORDED AS 769 00:23:21,451 --> 00:23:25,852 MOVING TO HOME-SCHOOL WERE IN 770 00:23:25,855 --> 00:23:26,486 JUST 61 OF THE STATE'S 507 HIGH 771 00:23:26,489 --> 00:23:28,455 SCHOOLS, SCHOOLS WHERE THE RATIO 772 00:23:28,458 --> 00:23:29,089 OF THOSE LEAVING TO HOME-SCHOOL 773 00:23:29,092 --> 00:23:30,023 TO STUDENTS EARNING DIPLOMAS WAS 774 00:23:30,026 --> 00:23:33,093 MUCH HIGHER THAN THE STATE 775 00:23:33,096 --> 00:23:33,693 AVERAGE. 776 00:23:33,696 --> 00:23:34,427 CHALKBEAT SAYS THOSE NUMBERS 777 00:23:34,430 --> 00:23:36,129 SUGGEST THE STATE'S METHOD FOR 778 00:23:36,132 --> 00:23:37,864 CALCULATING GRADUATION RATES - 779 00:23:37,867 --> 00:23:40,200 AND ITS “LAX REGULATION OF HOME 780 00:23:40,203 --> 00:23:41,000 SCHOOLING” - IS OBSCURING 781 00:23:41,003 --> 00:23:43,470 DROPOUT ISSUES AT SOME HOOSIER 782 00:23:43,473 --> 00:23:44,971 HIGH SCHOOLS. 783 00:23:44,974 --> 00:23:45,839 MIKE O'BRIEN, WILL THIS PROMPT 784 00:23:45,842 --> 00:23:49,476 GREATER OVERSIGHT OF HOME 785 00:23:49,479 --> 00:23:50,443 SCHOOLING? 786 00:23:50,446 --> 00:23:53,880 >> MAYBE NOT HOME-SCHOOLING 787 00:23:53,883 --> 00:23:55,815 INITIALLY, BUT I THINK IT WILL 788 00:23:55,818 --> 00:23:57,851 PROMPT GREATER INSIGHT INTO 789 00:23:57,854 --> 00:24:01,121 WHAT -- HOW WE DEFINE A STUDENT 790 00:24:01,124 --> 00:24:02,088 DROPPING OUT, HOW WE DEFINE A 791 00:24:02,091 --> 00:24:03,389 STUDENT TRANSITIONING TO HOME 792 00:24:03,392 --> 00:24:04,691 SCHOOL. WE'RE CLEARLY NOT 793 00:24:04,694 --> 00:24:07,193 SERVING THESE KIDS DROPPING OUT 794 00:24:07,196 --> 00:24:09,863 WITH NO INTENT TO BE 795 00:24:09,866 --> 00:24:10,997 HOME-SCHOOLED. THE MOM IN THE 796 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,533 START OF THIS ARTICLE SAID, HOW 797 00:24:13,536 --> 00:24:13,766 AM I GOING TO HOME SCHOOL THIS 798 00:24:13,769 --> 00:24:15,702 KID? 799 00:24:15,705 --> 00:24:16,936 THIS IS A POOR FAMILY ON THE 800 00:24:16,939 --> 00:24:18,304 SOUTH SIDE OF INDIANAPOLIS. I 801 00:24:18,307 --> 00:24:19,873 HAD NO PLANS TO HOME SCHOOL, 802 00:24:19,876 --> 00:24:21,841 WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? 803 00:24:21,844 --> 00:24:22,142 CLEARLY THAT NEEDS TO BE 804 00:24:22,145 --> 00:24:24,344 UNCOVERED. 805 00:24:24,347 --> 00:24:25,745 >> YEAH. HOW DEEP SHOULD THIS 806 00:24:25,748 --> 00:24:26,346 KIND OF SHOULD ANY REFORM OUT OF 807 00:24:26,349 --> 00:24:27,947 THIS GO? 808 00:24:27,950 --> 00:24:30,416 >> WHEN YOU START WITH THIS, YOU 809 00:24:30,419 --> 00:24:31,484 LOOK AT THE FOR-PROFIT ENTITIES 810 00:24:31,487 --> 00:24:33,153 THAT ARE COOKING THE DATA TO 811 00:24:33,156 --> 00:24:34,921 MAKE THEMSELVES LOOK BETTER SO 812 00:24:34,924 --> 00:24:37,557 THEY KEEP GETTING STATE FUNDS, 813 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,927 IT'S NOT THE HOME-SCHOOLING AS 814 00:24:40,930 --> 00:24:41,161 MUCH AS IT IS THESE FOUR-PROFIT 815 00:24:41,164 --> 00:24:41,728 GROUPS. 816 00:24:41,731 --> 00:24:42,128 >> THERE ARE MORE SCHOOLS 817 00:24:42,131 --> 00:24:45,265 THAN -- 818 00:24:45,268 --> 00:24:46,699 >> THAT'S RIGHT. BUT THE BULK OF 819 00:24:46,702 --> 00:24:48,034 THEM WERE ALSO FOR-PROFIT 820 00:24:48,037 --> 00:24:50,236 INSTITUTIONS, LIKE THE ONE THAT 821 00:24:50,239 --> 00:24:52,105 WAS FEATURED IN THE STAR 822 00:24:52,108 --> 00:24:53,106 ARTICLE, WAS THE ONE TAKEN OVER 823 00:24:53,109 --> 00:24:55,008 FROM IPS BECAUSE THE STATE SAYS 824 00:24:55,011 --> 00:24:55,708 WE'VE GOT TO GIVE THESE TO 825 00:24:55,711 --> 00:24:57,777 FOR-PROFIT -- 826 00:24:57,780 --> 00:24:58,845 >> AND THAT'S PART OF A LARGER 827 00:24:58,848 --> 00:25:01,514 MOVEMENT IN TERMS OF MAYBE WE 828 00:25:01,517 --> 00:25:02,882 NEED TO START TAKING A CLOSER 829 00:25:02,885 --> 00:25:03,216 EYE ON CHARTER SCHOOLS. 830 00:25:03,219 --> 00:25:04,450 >> MAYBE. 831 00:25:04,453 --> 00:25:06,753 >> THAT POINT IS IMPORTANT. 832 00:25:06,756 --> 00:25:10,089 YOU'VE GOT 61 SCHOOLS, TWO OF 833 00:25:10,092 --> 00:25:14,093 THEM WERE RUN BY FOUR-PROFIT AND 834 00:25:14,096 --> 00:25:15,161 TAKE-OVER SCHOOLS. DOE IS DOING 835 00:25:15,164 --> 00:25:17,697 THE DATA ON THAT. 836 00:25:17,700 --> 00:25:19,599 >> BUT THE OTHER 59 WERE PUBLIC 837 00:25:19,602 --> 00:25:20,700 SCHOOLS THAT DO THEIR OWN 838 00:25:20,703 --> 00:25:21,601 REPORTING, AND THE DEPARTMENT 839 00:25:21,604 --> 00:25:23,369 DOESN'T LOOK AT THAT DATA. 840 00:25:23,372 --> 00:25:29,842 >> NO, THEY JUST GET IT. 841 00:25:29,845 --> 00:25:34,247 >> THEY JUST PLUG IT INTO THE 842 00:25:34,250 --> 00:25:35,014 ACCOUNTABILITY 843 00:25:35,017 --> 00:25:35,381 THAT'S INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW 844 00:25:35,384 --> 00:25:35,915 FOR THIS WEEK. 845 00:25:35,918 --> 00:25:36,149 OUR PANEL IS DEMOCRAT ANN 846 00:25:36,152 --> 00:25:36,849 DELANEY. 847 00:25:36,852 --> 00:25:37,417 REPUBLICAN MIKE O'BRIEN. 848 00:25:37,420 --> 00:25:38,051 JON SCHWANTES OF INDIANA 849 00:25:38,054 --> 00:25:38,685 LAWMAKERS, AND NIKI 850 00:25:38,688 --> 00:25:38,952 KELLY OF THE FORT WAYNE JOURNAL 851 00:25:38,955 --> 00:25:39,986 GAZETTE. 852 00:25:39,989 --> 00:25:40,553 IF YOU'D LIKE A PODCAST OF THIS 853 00:25:40,556 --> 00:25:41,187 PROGRAM YOU CAN FIND IT AT 854 00:25:41,190 --> 00:25:41,821 WFYI.ORG/IWIR OR STARTING MONDAY 855 00:25:41,824 --> 00:25:42,822 YOU CAN STREAM IT OR GET IT ON 856 00:25:42,825 --> 00:25:44,891 DEMAND FROM XFINITY AND ON THE 857 00:25:44,894 --> 00:25:46,459 WFYI APP. 858 00:25:46,462 --> 00:25:47,694 I'M BRANDON SMITH OF INDIANA 859 00:25:47,697 --> 00:25:49,229 PUBLIC BROADCASTING. 860 00:25:49,232 --> 00:25:51,831 JOIN US NEXT TIME BECAUSE A LOT 861 00:25:51,834 --> 00:25:52,098 CAN HAPPEN IN AN INDIANA WEEK. 862 00:25:52,101 --> 00:26:09,649 ♪♪ 863 00:26:09,652 --> 00:26:11,517 >> INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW IS 864 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,853 >> INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW IS 865 00:26:13,856 --> 00:26:15,855 MADE POSSIBLE BY THE SUPPORTERS 866 00:26:15,858 --> 00:26:17,724 OF INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING 867 00:26:17,727 --> 00:26:21,160 STATIONS, AND BY ICEMILLER, 868 00:26:21,163 --> 00:26:21,728 BUILT ON A 100-PLUS YEAR 869 00:26:21,731 --> 00:26:23,997 FOUNDATION OF LEGAL SERVICE. 870 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,531 ICEMILLER IS A FULL SERVICE LAW 871 00:26:25,534 --> 00:26:26,065 FIRM COMMITTED TO HELPING 872 00:26:26,068 --> 00:26:28,468 CLIENTS STAY AHEAD OF THE 873 00:26:28,471 --> 00:26:29,535 CHANGING WORLD, WORKING TO 874 00:26:29,538 --> 00:26:30,303 DEVELOP AN UNDERSTANDING OF EACH 875 00:26:30,306 --> 00:26:33,439 CLIENT'S NEEDS TO HELP BUILD, 876 00:26:33,442 --> 00:26:33,840 GROW AND PROTECT THEIR 877 00:26:33,843 --> 00:26:36,909 INTERESTS. 878 00:26:36,912 --> 00:26:37,477 MORE AT ICEMILLER.COM. 879 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,879 THE OPINIONS EXPRESSED ARE 880 00:26:39,882 --> 00:26:40,513 SOLELY THOSE OF THE PANELISTS. 881 00:26:40,516 --> 00:26:42,915 INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW IS A WFYI 882 00:26:42,918 --> 00:26:43,650 PRODUCTION IN ASSOCIATION WITH 883 00:26:43,653 --> 00:26:46,568 INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING