WEBVTT 00:03.269 --> 00:06.971 align:start ♪ 00:06.974 --> 00:07.972 align:start DEMOCRATS CALL FOR IMMEDIATE 00:07.975 --> 00:08.639 align:start INFLATION RELIEF. 00:08.642 --> 00:09.173 align:start THE SUPREME COURT HOBBLES THE 00:09.176 --> 00:10.708 align:start EPA'S POWER TO ADDRESS CLIMATE 00:10.711 --> 00:12.210 align:start CHANGE. 00:12.213 --> 00:14.145 align:start PLUS, MORE RALLIES FOR ABORTION 00:14.148 --> 00:16.447 align:start RIGHTS AND MORE ON INDIANA WEEK 00:16.450 --> 00:24.188 align:start IN REVIEW FOR THE WEEK ENDING 00:24.191 --> 00:25.322 align:start JULY 8, 2022. 00:25.325 --> 00:29.193 align:start >> INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW IS 00:29.196 --> 00:31.562 align:start MADE POSSIBLE BY THE SUPPORTERS 00:31.565 --> 00:34.532 align:start OF INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING 00:34.535 --> 00:38.636 align:start STATIONS. 00:38.639 --> 00:39.237 align:start >> THIS WEEK, INDIANA DEMOCRATS 00:39.240 --> 00:39.837 align:start CRITICIZED REPUBLICANS FOR 00:39.840 --> 00:40.504 align:start FAILING TO PROVIDE MORE 00:40.507 --> 00:42.273 align:start IMMEDIATE INFLATION RELIEF. A 00:42.276 --> 00:42.873 align:start SPECIAL SESSION TO PROVIDE SUCH 00:42.876 --> 00:43.474 align:start RELIEF WAS SUPPOSED TO BEGIN 00:43.477 --> 00:44.075 align:start WEDNESDAY. BUT IT WAS DELAYED 00:44.078 --> 00:46.377 align:start FOR WEEKS AS REPUBLICANS CRAFT 00:46.380 --> 00:47.611 align:start AN ABORTION BAN. 00:47.614 --> 00:48.212 align:start DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN CALLING FOR 00:48.215 --> 00:49.213 align:start A SUSPENSION OF INDIANA GAS 00:49.216 --> 00:50.348 align:start TAXES FOR MONTHS, A CALL THEY 00:50.351 --> 00:51.716 align:start RENEWED WEDNESDAY. THEY ARE ALSO 00:51.719 --> 00:54.352 align:start PUSHING FOR THE PROPOSED $225 00:54.355 --> 00:56.320 align:start INFLATION RELIEF CHECKS TO GO TO 00:56.323 --> 00:57.354 align:start ALL HOOSIERS, NOT JUST THOSE WHO 00:57.357 --> 00:59.323 align:start FILED INCOME TAX RETURNS LAST 00:59.326 --> 01:01.826 align:start YEAR. REPRESENTATIVE CHERRISH 01:01.829 --> 01:02.427 align:start PRYOR SAYS THE GOP PLAN WOULD 01:02.430 --> 01:05.730 align:start LEAVE OUT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS 01:05.733 --> 01:06.497 align:start OF PEOPLE. 01:06.500 --> 01:07.198 align:start REP. CHERRISH PRYOR: EVERY 01:07.201 --> 01:07.798 align:start HOOSIER HAS VALUE AND DESERVES 01:07.801 --> 01:10.401 align:start TO LEAD THEIR LIVES WITH 01:10.404 --> 01:11.069 align:start DIGNITY. 01:11.072 --> 01:11.969 align:start >> GOVERNOR ERIC HOLCOMB HAS 01:11.972 --> 01:12.503 align:start SAID EXPANDING HIS INFLATION 01:12.506 --> 01:13.971 align:start RELIEF PLAN WOULD BE TOO 01:13.974 --> 01:14.571 align:start COMPLICATED FOR A SPECIAL 01:14.574 --> 01:15.239 align:start SESSION. DEMOCRATIC SENATOR 01:15.242 --> 01:18.042 align:start SHELLI YODER SCOFFS AT THAT IDEA 01:18.045 --> 01:20.278 align:start AS REPUBLICANS TAKE WEEKS TO 01:20.281 --> 01:21.479 align:start CREATE THEIR ABORTION BAN. 01:21.482 --> 01:22.947 align:start SEN. SHELLI YODER: WE ARE ABOUT 01:22.950 --> 01:29.086 align:start TO CRIMINALIZE HEALTH CARE. WE 01:29.089 --> 01:29.821 align:start ARE ABOUT TO CRIMINALIZE WOMEN. 01:29.824 --> 01:32.656 align:start WHAT, THAT'S NOT TOO DIFFICULT 01:32.659 --> 01:33.924 align:start TO FIGURE OUT. 01:33.927 --> 01:36.327 align:start >> THE SPECIAL SESSION IS SET TO 01:36.330 --> 01:36.994 align:start BEGIN JULY 25. 01:36.997 --> 01:37.528 align:start >> SHOULD REPUBLICANS HAVE COME 01:37.531 --> 01:37.862 align:start IN TO QUICKLY PASS INFLATION 01:37.865 --> 01:38.462 align:start RELIEF? 01:38.465 --> 01:39.196 align:start IT'S THE FIRST QUESTION FOR OUR 01:39.199 --> 01:40.865 align:start INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW PANEL 01:40.868 --> 01:43.534 align:start DEMOCRAT DREW ANDERSON 01:43.537 --> 01:44.668 align:start REPUBLICAN CHRIS MITCHEM 01:44.671 --> 01:48.106 align:start JON SCHWANTES, HOST OF INDIANA 01:48.109 --> 01:48.773 align:start LAWMAKERS AND 01:48.776 --> 01:49.373 align:start WHITNEY DOWNARD, SENIOR REPORTER 01:49.376 --> 01:50.441 align:start FOR THE INDIANA CAPITOL 01:50.444 --> 01:51.108 align:start CHRONICLE 01:51.111 --> 01:52.243 align:start I'M INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING 01:52.246 --> 01:55.313 align:start STATEHOUSE BUREAU CHIEF BRANDON 01:55.316 --> 01:56.914 align:start SMITH 01:56.917 --> 01:59.116 align:start THANKS VERY MUCH TO LAUREN FOR 01:59.119 --> 02:00.985 align:start HOLDING DOWN THE FORT FOR ME FOR 02:00.988 --> 02:05.056 align:start A COUPLE WEEKS, BECAUSE COVID IS 02:05.059 --> 02:05.956 align:start NO JOKE, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. 02:05.959 --> 02:06.624 align:start CHRIS MITCHEM, EVEN IF 02:06.627 --> 02:07.358 align:start REPUBLICANS WANT TO WAIT UNTIL 02:07.361 --> 02:07.958 align:start THE END OF THE MONTH TO COME IN 02:07.961 --> 02:09.960 align:start ON ABORTION, WHY NOT QUICKLY GET 02:09.963 --> 02:10.694 align:start INFLATION RELIEF PASSED NOW? 02:10.697 --> 02:11.595 align:start >> I THINK THERE'S SEVERAL 02:11.598 --> 02:14.298 align:start REASONS FOR IT. 02:14.301 --> 02:16.734 align:start NUMBER ONE IF YOU WANT TO 02:16.737 --> 02:18.302 align:start BELIEVE CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, 02:18.305 --> 02:20.037 align:start IT'S THE INFLATION THAT MAY BE 02:20.040 --> 02:21.372 align:start HOLDING THIS UP MORE SO THAN THE 02:21.375 --> 02:26.944 align:start ABORTION THING. 02:26.947 --> 02:29.246 align:start YOU'VE HEARD EXAMPLES OF THE 02:29.249 --> 02:30.480 align:start DIFFERENT CAUCUSES HAVING WAYS 02:30.483 --> 02:32.416 align:start OF APPROACHING IT. 02:32.419 --> 02:33.083 align:start IT WOULD BE THE FISCALLY 02:33.086 --> 02:35.386 align:start IRRESPONSIBLE THING TO DO. 02:35.389 --> 02:37.588 align:start IF YOU COME IN WITHOUT A SET 02:37.591 --> 02:39.323 align:start PLAN IN PLACE AND YOU'RE USING 02:39.326 --> 02:40.591 align:start THE PER DIEM AND TAKING TIME 02:40.594 --> 02:42.126 align:start AWAY FROM LEGISLATORS BACK IN 02:42.129 --> 02:43.594 align:start THEIR HOME DISTRICTS, IF YOU 02:43.597 --> 02:45.663 align:start DON'T HAVE IN YOUR PARTY WHAT 02:45.666 --> 02:46.964 align:start THE MAIN IDEA IS, THAT COULD BE 02:46.967 --> 02:50.134 align:start FISCALLY IRRESPONSIBLE. 02:50.137 --> 02:51.435 align:start THIRD, I THINK THE ABORTION 02:51.438 --> 02:57.008 align:start WRINKLE WITHOUT ACTUALLY 02:57.011 --> 03:00.878 align:start DISCUSSING THE POLICY THROWS IN 03:00.881 --> 03:02.613 align:start ANOTHER HURDLE ANY ABORTION 03:02.616 --> 03:08.219 align:start ACCESS RESTRICTION IS GOING TO 03:08.222 --> 03:08.852 align:start BE MEDIATED WITH MORE PARENTAL 03:08.855 --> 03:11.122 align:start CARE. 03:11.125 --> 03:12.389 align:start THERE'S MORE WRINKLES NOW THAT 03:12.392 --> 03:14.291 align:start IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE THE 03:14.294 --> 03:16.860 align:start REASON FOR THE DELAY. 03:16.863 --> 03:19.597 align:start >> HAS THE ABORTION BAN AND 03:19.600 --> 03:21.098 align:start SPENDING AROUND THAT COMPLICATED 03:21.101 --> 03:27.371 align:start THE INFLATION RELIEF? 03:27.374 --> 03:30.207 align:start >> LET'S BE CLEAR, IT WAS USE 03:30.210 --> 03:31.241 align:start USED TO TALK ABOUT AABORTION. 03:31.244 --> 03:35.146 align:start THEY COULD HAVE GOTTEN IT DONE 03:35.149 --> 03:37.348 align:start AT THE END OF JUNE AND THEN THEY 03:37.351 --> 03:37.981 align:start PUNTED TO THE END OF JULY 03:37.984 --> 03:39.517 align:start BECAUSE THE SUPREME COURT WAS 03:39.520 --> 03:40.517 align:start WAITING ON THAT AND THEN TOWARDS 03:40.520 --> 03:41.786 align:start THE END. 03:41.789 --> 03:43.721 align:start IT MADE IT CLEAR THAT THIS 03:43.724 --> 03:47.291 align:start SPECIAL SESSION WAS ONLY ABOUT 03:47.294 --> 03:48.525 align:start ABORTIONS AND CHECKS AND 03:48.528 --> 03:50.261 align:start ACTUALLY HELPING HOOSIERS FIND 03:50.264 --> 03:51.362 align:start RELIEF DURING THIS TIME WAS 03:51.365 --> 03:53.998 align:start SECONDARY. 03:54.001 --> 03:57.802 align:start AND THAT'S BEEN THE WHOLE ENTIRE 03:57.805 --> 03:59.270 align:start AGENDA FROM THE REPUBLICANS. 03:59.273 --> 04:01.205 align:start >> WHITNEY, THERE'S BEEN A LOT 04:01.208 --> 04:02.273 align:start OF SPECULATION ABOUT THE GROUPS 04:02.276 --> 04:03.540 align:start OF PEOPLE IT LEAVES OUT. 04:03.543 --> 04:05.375 align:start THOSE WHO DON'T MAKE ENOUGH TO 04:05.378 --> 04:06.710 align:start FILE THEIR INCOME TAX RETURNS, A 04:06.713 --> 04:07.545 align:start LOT OF PEOPLE ON SOCIAL 04:07.548 --> 04:09.747 align:start SECURIT, PEOPLE ON DISABILITY. 04:09.750 --> 04:10.681 align:start FOLKS IF THEY'VE JUST MOVED TO 04:10.684 --> 04:13.183 align:start INDIANA BUT EVEN HAVE BEEN THERE 04:13.186 --> 04:14.285 align:start FOR A YEAR, DIDN'T FILE TAXES 04:14.288 --> 04:15.052 align:start LAST YEAR IN THE STATE, THAT 04:15.055 --> 04:17.454 align:start SORT OF THING. 04:17.457 --> 04:18.222 align:start IS THIS DELAY POTENTIALLY AN 04:18.225 --> 04:19.990 align:start INDICATION THAT MAYBE THEY ARE 04:19.993 --> 04:20.290 align:start LOOKING AT EXPANDING THAT 04:20.293 --> 04:21.492 align:start PROPOSAL? 04:21.495 --> 04:23.894 align:start OR IS IT REALLY IN YOUR MIND 04:23.897 --> 04:25.696 align:start MORE ABOUT THE ABORTION STUFF? 04:25.699 --> 04:27.365 align:start >> I'M NOT ACTUALLY SURE THAT 04:27.368 --> 04:30.501 align:start THEY ARE AS UNIVERSALLY TOGETHER 04:30.504 --> 04:30.968 align:start WHEN IT COMES TO INFLATION 04:30.971 --> 04:33.037 align:start RELIEF. 04:33.040 --> 04:35.806 align:start WHEN SENATOR LIZ BROWN WAS 04:35.809 --> 04:38.575 align:start TALKING IN THE BUDGET COMMITTEE 04:38.578 --> 04:41.779 align:start JUST 10 OR SO DAYS AGO, SHE DID 04:41.782 --> 04:43.281 align:start NOT SEEM TO BE A FAN OF IT. 04:43.284 --> 04:44.582 align:start SHE QUESTIONED WHY WE WEREN'T 04:44.585 --> 04:45.916 align:start DEDICATING THAT FUNDING TO 04:45.919 --> 04:47.885 align:start HIGHER REIMBURSEMENTS FOR FOSTER 04:47.888 --> 04:49.420 align:start CARE OR OTHER SERVICES THE STATE 04:49.423 --> 04:52.289 align:start SHOULD BE PROVIDING. 04:52.292 --> 04:53.957 align:start I'M NOT SURE REPUBLICANS ARE AS 04:53.960 --> 04:55.559 align:start UNITED ON INFLATION RELIEF. 04:55.562 --> 04:57.695 align:start >> THIS IS THE GOVERNOR'S 04:57.698 --> 04:59.997 align:start INFLATION RELIEF PROPOSAL THAT 05:00.000 --> 05:00.431 align:start SEEMED TO IMMEDIATELY HAVE 05:00.434 --> 05:03.100 align:start BUY-IN FROM REPUBLICAN 05:03.103 --> 05:03.534 align:start LEADERSHIP IN THE HOUSE AND 05:03.537 --> 05:04.835 align:start SENATE. 05:04.838 --> 05:06.136 align:start IS IT IN TROUBLE? 05:06.139 --> 05:08.572 align:start IS THIS THE SMARTEST WAY TO 05:08.575 --> 05:10.741 align:start SPEND A BILLION DOLLARS? 05:10.744 --> 05:11.642 align:start >> THIS DOES SUGGEST THAT MORE 05:11.645 --> 05:16.747 align:start IS NOT ALWAYS BETTER. 05:16.750 --> 05:17.415 align:start WHEN YOU HAVE A SUPERMAJORITY, A 05:17.418 --> 05:19.684 align:start SUPER-SUPERMAJORITY, THE ABILITY 05:19.687 --> 05:20.885 align:start TO DOLL WHATEVER YOU WANT AND 05:20.888 --> 05:22.453 align:start WALK OVER THE OTHER SIDE. 05:22.456 --> 05:23.120 align:start MY APOLOGIES. 05:23.123 --> 05:27.224 align:start [LAUGHING] 05:27.227 --> 05:28.826 align:start YOU THINK THE CASUAL VIEWER 05:28.829 --> 05:31.695 align:start MIGHT SAY THIS IS THE EASIEST 05:31.698 --> 05:36.934 align:start JOB IN TOWN, BUT ACTUALLY BY 05:36.937 --> 05:38.035 align:start HAVING THAT LARGE NUMBER OF 05:38.038 --> 05:39.637 align:start REPRESENTATIVES AND SENATORS 05:39.640 --> 05:44.174 align:start HAVE R BEHIND THEIR NAME, BUT 05:44.177 --> 05:46.310 align:start THAT'S WHERE THE IDEOLOGY STOPS. 05:46.313 --> 05:50.114 align:start THEY HAVE DIFFERENT IDEOLOGIES 05:50.117 --> 05:52.516 align:start AND OPINIONS. 05:52.519 --> 05:53.450 align:start YOU CAN'T BE RESPONSIBLE TO COME 05:53.453 --> 05:56.487 align:start BACK IN WITHOUT A PLAN. 05:56.490 --> 05:58.055 align:start BUT THE GOVERNOR HEARING THAT 05:58.058 --> 05:59.823 align:start COULD SAY I KIND OF DID THAT. 05:59.826 --> 06:01.525 align:start I HAVE THE NEWS RELEASE. 06:01.528 --> 06:03.394 align:start EVEN WHEN LEADERSHIP IS ON 06:03.397 --> 06:06.464 align:start BOARD, IT PROVES WHEN YOU HAVE A 06:06.467 --> 06:08.132 align:start SUPER MAJORITY, CAUCUSES OF THAT 06:08.135 --> 06:09.199 align:start SIZE, THEY'RE UNWIELDY. 06:09.202 --> 06:12.269 align:start HAD THERE BEEN AGREEMENT ON THAT 06:12.272 --> 06:16.306 align:start ASPECT OF IT, IT WOULD HAVE MADE 06:16.309 --> 06:18.175 align:start PROBABLY POLITICAL SENSE TO BE 06:18.178 --> 06:19.243 align:start SENSITIVE AND AGGRESSIVE ON 06:19.246 --> 06:20.544 align:start INFLATION, COME IN AND HANDLE 06:20.547 --> 06:22.747 align:start THAT PART, BUT THEN SAY WE WANT 06:22.750 --> 06:24.415 align:start TO BE VERY JUDICIOUS AND 06:24.418 --> 06:26.684 align:start DELIBERATIVE IN OUR APPROACH TO 06:26.687 --> 06:27.918 align:start SOMETHING AS NUANCED AS 06:27.921 --> 06:28.786 align:start REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS AND 06:28.789 --> 06:30.120 align:start SAFEGUARDING WOMEN'S HEALTH. 06:30.123 --> 06:30.387 align:start THEY COULD HAVE DONE BOTH 06:30.390 --> 06:32.056 align:start PERHAPS. 06:32.059 --> 06:33.857 align:start THAT MAY BE A SIGNAL THAT IN 06:33.860 --> 06:34.991 align:start FACT, AS WHITNEY SUGGESTS. 06:34.994 --> 06:36.460 align:start >> IT'S NOT THE SLAM DUNK WE 06:36.463 --> 06:39.196 align:start THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE. 06:39.199 --> 06:42.032 align:start >> JUST TO INTERJECT REALLY 06:42.035 --> 06:43.500 align:start QUICK, THAT'S WHY DEMOCRATS 06:43.503 --> 06:43.901 align:start WANTED TO PAUSE THE STATE GAS 06:43.904 --> 06:46.336 align:start TAX. 06:46.339 --> 06:48.639 align:start IT WOULD HAVE GIVEN RELIEF 06:48.642 --> 06:49.506 align:start DIRECTLY TO HOOSIERS RIGHT AWAY. 06:49.509 --> 06:50.841 align:start PEOPLE STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN 06:50.844 --> 06:52.877 align:start THEIR CHECKS YET. 06:52.880 --> 06:53.243 align:start >> THE TAX REFUND FROM LAST 06:53.246 --> 06:55.646 align:start YEAR. 06:55.649 --> 06:56.747 align:start >> YEAH, PAUSE THE GAS TAX. 06:56.750 --> 06:58.983 align:start THEY WON'T DO IT. 06:58.986 --> 07:01.452 align:start >> BUT YOU WOULD HAVE HAD PEOPLE 07:01.455 --> 07:03.254 align:start SAY HEY I'M ON THE OUTSIDE 07:03.257 --> 07:03.620 align:start LOOKING IN BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE 07:03.623 --> 07:05.022 align:start DRIVE. 07:05.025 --> 07:06.156 align:start YOU WILL ALWAYS HAVE SOME GROUP 07:06.159 --> 07:06.657 align:start PROBABLY LEFT OUT OF THE 07:06.660 --> 07:08.926 align:start BENEFIT. 07:08.929 --> 07:10.294 align:start YOU COULD MAKE AN ARGUMENT THAT 07:10.297 --> 07:11.428 align:start EVERYBODY BENEFITS WHEN FUEL 07:11.431 --> 07:13.530 align:start PRICES GO DOWN BECAUSE OF THE 07:13.533 --> 07:15.065 align:start SERVICE PROVIDERS. 07:15.068 --> 07:15.332 align:start >> THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT. 07:15.335 --> 07:20.938 align:start >> RIGHT. 07:20.941 --> 07:21.939 align:start HOW MUCH IT TRICKLES DOWN. 07:21.942 --> 07:23.474 align:start >> THEY WOULD SEE A LOT MORE 07:23.477 --> 07:24.608 align:start HELP BY HAVING THEIR GAS TAX 07:24.611 --> 07:26.444 align:start PAUSED THAN A CHECK. 07:26.447 --> 07:28.712 align:start >> THERE'S NO POINT OF BRINGING 07:28.715 --> 07:29.746 align:start THE LEGISLATORS IN HAVING THEM 07:29.749 --> 07:31.515 align:start TWIDDLE THEIR THUMBS. 07:31.518 --> 07:33.818 align:start >> THE DEMOCRATS HAD A PLAN BUT 07:33.821 --> 07:36.887 align:start COULDN'T GET IT TOGETHER. 07:36.890 --> 07:37.321 align:start >> TIME FOR VIEWER FEEDBACK. 07:37.324 --> 07:37.888 align:start EACH WEEK WE POSE AN 07:37.891 --> 07:38.422 align:start UNSCIENTIFIC, ONLINE POLL 07:38.425 --> 07:39.690 align:start QUESTION. 07:39.693 --> 07:40.290 align:start THIS WEEK'S QUESTION: 07:40.293 --> 07:40.858 align:start WILL $225 MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO 07:40.861 --> 07:41.125 align:start HOOSIERS STRUGGLING WITH HIGH 07:41.128 --> 07:41.325 align:start INFLATION? 07:41.328 --> 07:42.226 align:start A. YES 07:42.229 --> 07:43.494 align:start B. NO 07:43.497 --> 07:44.428 align:start LAST WEEK'S QUESTION: 07:44.431 --> 07:44.962 align:start ARE YOU SURPRISED U.S. SN. TODD 07:44.965 --> 07:48.232 align:start YOUNG VOTED IN FAVOR OF THE 07:48.235 --> 07:52.269 align:start BIPARTISAN SENATE GUN BILL? 07:52.272 --> 07:55.439 align:start 58% SAID YES, 42% SAID NO, WHICH 07:55.442 --> 07:58.108 align:start I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED THE 07:58.111 --> 08:00.177 align:start MARGIN OF THE SENATE RACE THIS 08:00.180 --> 08:00.844 align:start FALL. 08:00.847 --> 08:01.412 align:start IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TAKE PART 08:01.415 --> 08:04.982 align:start IN THE POLL GO TO WFYI.ORG/IWIR 08:04.985 --> 08:05.683 align:start AND LOOK FOR THE POLL. 08:05.686 --> 08:06.350 align:start THE US SUPREME COURT RECENTLY 08:06.353 --> 08:07.050 align:start RULED IN FAVOR OF INDIANA AND 18 08:07.053 --> 08:07.585 align:start OTHER STATES IN A CASE TO LIMIT 08:07.588 --> 08:10.487 align:start HOW THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN 08:10.490 --> 08:11.055 align:start REDUCE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS. 08:11.058 --> 08:11.922 align:start INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING'S 08:11.925 --> 08:12.923 align:start REBECCA THIELE REPORTS, CLIMATE 08:12.926 --> 08:14.191 align:start ADVOCATES SAY IT HINDERS THE 08:14.194 --> 08:17.995 align:start COUNTRY'S ABILITY TO ADDRESS 08:17.998 --> 08:18.996 align:start CLIMATE CHANGE. 08:18.999 --> 08:20.931 align:start BEFORE IT WAS STALLED IN COURT, 08:20.934 --> 08:21.532 align:start THE OBAMA-ERA CLEAN POWER PLAN 08:21.535 --> 08:22.633 align:start AIMED TO SET CARBON EMISSIONS 08:22.636 --> 08:23.734 align:start LIMITS FOR THE ENTIRE POWER 08:23.737 --> 08:24.702 align:start GENERATION INDUSTRY - 08:24.705 --> 08:25.669 align:start EFFECTIVELY TRANSITIONING 08:25.672 --> 08:31.275 align:start UTILITIES TOWARD RENEWABLES AND 08:31.278 --> 08:31.876 align:start AWAY FROM COAL AND NATURAL GAS. 08:31.879 --> 08:32.743 align:start THE COURT RULED THE EPA CAN'T 08:32.746 --> 08:33.878 align:start ADOPT TRANSFORMATIONAL RULES 08:33.881 --> 08:35.312 align:start LIKE THIS UNLESS DIRECTED TO DO 08:35.315 --> 08:36.713 align:start SO BY CONGRESS. THOUGH IT CAN 08:36.716 --> 08:37.781 align:start USE OTHER TOOLS TO LOWER 08:37.784 --> 08:39.216 align:start EMISSIONS, LIKE REGULATING 08:39.219 --> 08:40.450 align:start INDIVIDUAL POWER PLANTS. THE 08:40.453 --> 08:42.819 align:start HOOSIER ENVIRONMENTAL COUNCIL'S 08:42.822 --> 08:44.154 align:start KIM FERRARO SAYS FOR ADVOCATES 08:44.157 --> 08:44.755 align:start WHO WANT TO SEE EVERY TOOL USED 08:44.758 --> 08:48.559 align:start TO ADDRESS CLIMATE CHANGE - IT'S 08:48.562 --> 08:49.393 align:start DISAPPOINTING. 08:49.396 --> 08:50.761 align:start KIM FERRARO: THIS OPINION GOES A 08:50.764 --> 08:54.831 align:start LONG WAY TO GUTTING EPA'S 08:54.834 --> 08:56.633 align:start AUTHORITY TO - TO TACKLE THIS. 08:56.636 --> 08:57.301 align:start >> INDIANA ATTORNEY GENERAL TODD 08:57.304 --> 08:58.101 align:start ROKITA SAYS THE RULING WILL BE 08:58.104 --> 09:00.571 align:start GOOD FOR INDIANA'S COAL INDUSTRY 09:00.574 --> 09:01.405 align:start - BUT THAT'S UNCERTAIN. MANY 09:01.408 --> 09:02.106 align:start UTILITIES ARE CLOSING COAL 09:02.109 --> 09:06.443 align:start PLANTS IN FAVOR OF CHEAPER 09:06.446 --> 09:07.444 align:start ENERGY SOURCES. 09:07.447 --> 09:09.380 align:start >> DREW ANDERSON, DUKE ENERGY - 09:09.383 --> 09:12.215 align:start ONE OF INDIANA'S MAJOR UTILITIES 09:12.218 --> 09:13.284 align:start - ALREADY SAID THIS RULING WON'T 09:13.287 --> 09:19.323 align:start AFFECT ITS PLANS. SO HOW MUCH 09:19.326 --> 09:21.091 align:start DOES THIS REALLY AFFECT INDIANA? 09:21.094 --> 09:22.726 align:start >> WELL, IT'S NOT GOING TO 09:22.729 --> 09:24.461 align:start AFFECT US IN A COUPLE OF WAYS. 09:24.464 --> 09:27.664 align:start ONE, WE'RE ALREADY ONE OF THE 09:27.667 --> 09:27.998 align:start WORST POLLUTED STATES IN THE 09:28.001 --> 09:30.067 align:start NATION. 09:30.070 --> 09:31.168 align:start ONE OF THE WORST POLLUTED 09:31.171 --> 09:33.036 align:start WATERWAYS, ALL THAT BAD STUFF 09:33.039 --> 09:35.205 align:start THAT REPUBLICANS CREATED. 09:35.208 --> 09:36.073 align:start BUT WHY COMPANIES ARE STEPPING 09:36.076 --> 09:38.075 align:start UP IS THEY'RE DOING WHAT THE 09:38.078 --> 09:38.475 align:start PEOPLE IN THE ROOM SHOULD BE 09:38.478 --> 09:39.643 align:start DOING. 09:39.646 --> 09:41.245 align:start WE'VE SEEN THAT IN OTHER 09:41.248 --> 09:41.512 align:start SITUATIONS, ABORTION, GUN 09:41.515 --> 09:43.647 align:start POLICIES. 09:43.650 --> 09:45.349 align:start COMPANIES ARE THE ONES THAT NEED 09:45.352 --> 09:47.851 align:start TO STEP UP BECAUSE THE ADULTS IN 09:47.854 --> 09:48.418 align:start THE ROOM ACTUALLY AREN'T GETTING 09:48.421 --> 09:49.486 align:start IT DONE. 09:49.489 --> 09:51.188 align:start >> THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF 09:51.191 --> 09:52.923 align:start DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW THIS RULING 09:52.926 --> 09:53.223 align:start COULD GO FAR BEYOND THE EPA 09:53.226 --> 09:54.625 align:start HERE. 09:54.628 --> 09:58.295 align:start IT COULD BE APPLIED TO EVERY 09:58.298 --> 10:00.063 align:start OTHER FEDERAL AGENCY AND CURB 10:00.066 --> 10:02.899 align:start THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S ABILITY 10:02.902 --> 10:04.435 align:start TO ADDRESS IN THE CASE OF 10:04.438 --> 10:06.336 align:start CLIMATE CHANGE A CRISIS. 10:06.339 --> 10:08.071 align:start IS THIS RULING POSITIVE FOR THE 10:08.074 --> 10:09.673 align:start COUNTRY AS A WHOLE IN THE WAY IT 10:09.676 --> 10:10.174 align:start LIMITED FEDERAL AUTHORITY? 10:10.177 --> 10:13.110 align:start >> I THINK SO. 10:13.113 --> 10:14.678 align:start WHAT THIS DECISION SAYS FROM AN 10:14.681 --> 10:16.347 align:start INDIANA PERSPECTIVE, IT HAS A 10:16.350 --> 10:17.381 align:start LOT TO SAY ABOUT THE FUTURE THAN 10:17.384 --> 10:20.250 align:start IT DOES NOW. 10:20.253 --> 10:23.086 align:start BASICALLY THE COURT CAME OUT AND 10:23.089 --> 10:24.955 align:start SAID EPA THIS LARGE RULE YOU 10:24.958 --> 10:25.956 align:start MADE CAN'T BE DONE WITHOUT 10:25.959 --> 10:28.459 align:start CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL. 10:28.462 --> 10:29.660 align:start WE'RE LEAVING THE DOOR OPEN FOR 10:29.663 --> 10:31.861 align:start MORE SPECIFIC THINGS. 10:31.864 --> 10:33.063 align:start BUT WHEN YOU TRY TO DO A LARGE 10:33.066 --> 10:34.598 align:start SWATH OF THINGS AT ONCE, YOU'RE 10:34.601 --> 10:35.699 align:start GOING TO NEED CONGRESSIONAL 10:35.702 --> 10:37.134 align:start APPROVAL. 10:37.137 --> 10:38.402 align:start HEY, A PRESIDENTIAL 10:38.405 --> 10:39.870 align:start ADMINISTRATION COMES IN AND WE 10:39.873 --> 10:41.705 align:start CAN DO WHATEVER WE WANT, THE 10:41.708 --> 10:41.872 align:start SUPREME COURT IS TAMPERING THAT 10:41.875 --> 10:43.540 align:start DOWN. 10:43.543 --> 10:47.844 align:start IT'S GOING TO GIVE ENERGY 10:47.847 --> 10:51.815 align:start COMPANIES MORE OF ALLEY 10:51.818 --> 10:54.751 align:start — A LEEWAY TO HAVE MORE ROOM TO 10:54.754 --> 10:57.487 align:start LEDGE LATE. 10:57.490 --> 11:01.224 align:start >> IS IT TOO BIG OF AN ASK TO 11:01.227 --> 11:04.061 align:start ASK CONGRESS TO LEDGE LATE 11:04.064 --> 11:08.298 align:start — LEGISLATE. 11:08.301 --> 11:10.433 align:start >> YEAH, YOU COULDN'T GET A 11:10.436 --> 11:13.237 align:start UNANIMOUS RESOLUTION THAT APPLE 11:13.240 --> 11:15.238 align:start PIE IS GOOD AND THE FLAG ARE 11:15.241 --> 11:17.007 align:start GOOD. 11:17.010 --> 11:19.509 align:start >> PEACH GROWERS IN GEORGIA 11:19.512 --> 11:20.844 align:start WOULD HAVE A REAL PROBLEM. 11:20.847 --> 11:23.146 align:start >> YOU CAN'T DO THAT. 11:23.149 --> 11:26.283 align:start YOU'RE RIGHT. 11:26.286 --> 11:26.950 align:start THIS ISN'T ABOUT COAL POLLUTION 11:26.953 --> 11:28.485 align:start OR EMISSIONS. 11:28.488 --> 11:30.787 align:start IT IS ON ITS FACE, BUT IT'S A 11:30.790 --> 11:32.189 align:start MUCH DEEPER ISSUE. 11:32.192 --> 11:32.989 align:start IT'S UNFOLDING AT THE STATE AND 11:32.992 --> 11:34.491 align:start FEDERAL LEVEL. 11:34.494 --> 11:36.794 align:start THE SUPREME COURT RAISED A LOT 11:36.797 --> 11:38.529 align:start OF EYEBROWS BY EVEN TAKING UP 11:38.532 --> 11:39.730 align:start THIS CASE, BECAUSE THE BIDEN 11:39.733 --> 11:42.266 align:start ADMINISTRATION, THE RULE WE'RE 11:42.269 --> 11:43.700 align:start TALKING ABOUT HAD BASICALLY BEEN 11:43.703 --> 11:45.235 align:start UNDONE ALREADY BY THE TRUMP 11:45.238 --> 11:45.902 align:start ADMINISTRATION AND THE BIDEN 11:45.905 --> 11:47.871 align:start ADMINISTRATION HAD SAID WE'RE 11:47.874 --> 11:50.474 align:start NOT GOING TO RESURRECT IT. 11:50.477 --> 11:50.941 align:start WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON A NEW 11:50.944 --> 11:53.544 align:start RULE. 11:53.547 --> 11:54.444 align:start SO, IT WAS TO A LARGE EXTENT A 11:54.447 --> 11:59.616 align:start MOOT QUESTION ANYWAY. 11:59.619 --> 12:05.422 align:start AND THE COURT, THIS IS OF COURSE 12:05.425 --> 12:09.159 align:start A COURT THAT PURPORTS NOT TO BE 12:09.162 --> 12:09.960 align:start AN ACTIVIST COURT WENT OUT OF 12:09.963 --> 12:11.428 align:start ITS WAY. 12:11.431 --> 12:13.897 align:start FOR THOSE WHO THINK IT'S NOT 12:13.900 --> 12:17.033 align:start ABOUT COAL, RED FLAG ONE. 12:17.036 --> 12:18.802 align:start AND THIS IS THE SAME ARGUMENT WE 12:18.805 --> 12:20.270 align:start HEARD TO SOME EXTENT IN THE 12:20.273 --> 12:22.139 align:start GENERAL ASSEMBLY THIS SESSION. 12:22.142 --> 12:23.440 align:start WE DON'T LIKE AGENCIES DOING ALL 12:23.443 --> 12:26.510 align:start THESE RULES. 12:26.513 --> 12:26.777 align:start WHETHER IT'S IDEM OR OTHER 12:26.780 --> 12:28.178 align:start AGENCIES. 12:28.181 --> 12:29.179 align:start WE SHOULD BE DOING THAT, THE 12:29.182 --> 12:30.380 align:start GENERAL ASSEMBLY. 12:30.383 --> 12:33.216 align:start BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WANT. 12:33.219 --> 12:34.217 align:start DO YOU REALLY WANT TO DO ALL THE 12:34.220 --> 12:39.156 align:start PROMULGATION OF RULES? 12:39.159 --> 12:40.791 align:start THAT WOULD BE NIGHTMARES FOR 12:40.794 --> 12:41.024 align:start THEM AND NOTHING COULD MAKE THAT 12:41.027 --> 12:44.728 align:start APPEALING. 12:44.731 --> 12:46.196 align:start WHAT I SEE IS ALMOST A DISDAIN 12:46.199 --> 12:48.265 align:start FOR EXPERTISE, PROFESSIONAL 12:48.268 --> 12:49.766 align:start CIVIL SERVICE EXPERTISE IN ANY 12:49.769 --> 12:55.372 align:start AGENCY. 12:55.375 --> 12:57.040 align:start AND AS IF THAT'S SOMEHOW EVIL, 12:57.043 --> 12:58.742 align:start INHERENTLY EVIL AND THE ONLY 12:58.745 --> 13:01.411 align:start THING THAT IS PURE ARE THOSE 13:01.414 --> 13:02.312 align:start RULES PROMULGATED BY THE ELECTED 13:02.315 --> 13:03.313 align:start OFFICIALS THEMSELVES, WHICH IS 13:03.316 --> 13:05.849 align:start NOT WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING AS A 13:05.852 --> 13:06.917 align:start STATE OR A COUNTRY FOR A HUNDRED 13:06.920 --> 13:09.686 align:start PLUS YEARS. 13:09.689 --> 13:10.521 align:start >> LARGE, OVERARCHING RULES 13:10.524 --> 13:12.956 align:start LIKE THAT. 13:12.959 --> 13:14.391 align:start >> WHITNEY, WHEN IT COMES TO 13:14.394 --> 13:16.126 align:start INDIANA ENERGY POLICY, INDIANA 13:16.129 --> 13:17.661 align:start IS MORE RELIANT ON COAL THAN A 13:17.664 --> 13:18.995 align:start LOT OF OTHER STATES, BUT 13:18.998 --> 13:20.530 align:start UTILITIES ARE MOVING AWAY FROM 13:20.533 --> 13:21.364 align:start THAT IN FAVOR OF THINGS LIKE 13:21.367 --> 13:23.099 align:start NATURAL GAS. 13:23.102 --> 13:25.302 align:start THIS REALLY WON'T ULTIMATELY 13:25.305 --> 13:27.304 align:start IMPACT THAT AT ALL, WILL IT? 13:27.307 --> 13:28.972 align:start >> NO, I DON'T SEE IT HAVING ANY 13:28.975 --> 13:29.139 align:start CHANGE ON WHAT'S ALREADY IN THE 13:29.142 --> 13:30.674 align:start WORKS. 13:30.677 --> 13:32.776 align:start I THINK WHAT'S A LITTLE 13:32.779 --> 13:34.711 align:start COUNTER FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE 13:34.714 --> 13:36.947 align:start TRYING TO ADDRESS CLIMATE CHANGE 13:36.950 --> 13:39.650 align:start IS BORDERS DON'T EXTEND INTO THE 13:39.653 --> 13:41.385 align:start SKY OR IN THE GROUND OR IN THE 13:41.388 --> 13:43.720 align:start STREAMS, WHAT HAPPENS IN 13:43.723 --> 13:44.588 align:start ANDERSON UP RIVER IS GOING TO 13:44.591 --> 13:46.356 align:start AFFECT INDIANAPOLIS. 13:46.359 --> 13:48.892 align:start YOU CAN'T ALWAYS SAY LOCAL RULE. 13:48.895 --> 13:50.627 align:start THERE NEEDS TO BE A POLICY FOR 13:50.630 --> 13:53.497 align:start PEOPLE DOWN RIVER. 13:53.500 --> 13:54.164 align:start >> SO, 13:54.167 --> 13:54.831 align:start DOZENS OF HOOSIERS RALLIED 13:54.834 --> 13:55.899 align:start OUTSIDE THE STATEHOUSE WEDNESDAY 13:55.902 --> 13:56.566 align:start TO "KEEP THE FIRE BURNING" IN 13:56.569 --> 13:57.868 align:start SUPPORT OF ABORTION RIGHTS. 13:57.871 --> 13:58.668 align:start THE RALLY MARKED THE DAY INDIANA 13:58.671 --> 13:59.937 align:start LAWMAKERS WERE SUPPOSED TO MEET 13:59.940 --> 14:01.538 align:start IN A SPECIAL SESSION. THAT GOT 14:01.541 --> 14:02.272 align:start PUSHED BACK AS REPUBLICANS CRAFT 14:02.275 --> 14:04.140 align:start AN ABORTION BAN. 14:04.143 --> 14:05.642 align:start TRACEY NIX, ONE OF THE 14:05.645 --> 14:06.443 align:start PROTESTERS, SAYS SHE THINKS THE 14:06.446 --> 14:08.078 align:start DELAY IS MEANT TO QUIET SOME OF 14:08.081 --> 14:11.214 align:start THE OPPOSITION TO THE IMPENDING 14:11.217 --> 14:12.282 align:start ANTI-ABORTION MEASURE. 14:12.285 --> 14:13.416 align:start TRACEY NIX: BUT IT'S NOT GOING 14:13.419 --> 14:14.351 align:start TO GO AWAY. WE'RE NOT GOING TO 14:14.354 --> 14:15.886 align:start GO AWAY. WE BELIEVE THAT WOMEN 14:15.889 --> 14:19.823 align:start SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE 14:19.826 --> 14:20.791 align:start WHAT HAPPENS WITH THEIR BODIES. 14:20.794 --> 14:21.258 align:start >> MARA EDWARDS WAS HANDING OUT 14:21.261 --> 14:22.559 align:start WATER AND SUNSCREEN TO 14:22.562 --> 14:23.593 align:start PROTESTERS. SHE SAYS HOOSIERS 14:23.596 --> 14:26.630 align:start NEED TO STAY INFORMED ABOUT WHAT 14:26.633 --> 14:27.431 align:start LAWMAKERS PLAN TO DO. 14:27.434 --> 14:30.533 align:start MARA EDWARDS: STAY ANGRY. STAY 14:30.536 --> 14:31.168 align:start VOCAL. 14:31.171 --> 14:31.768 align:start >> LEGISLATORS PLAN TO RETURN TO 14:31.771 --> 14:36.106 align:start THE STATEHOUSE FOR THE SPECIAL 14:36.109 --> 14:41.678 align:start SESSION BEGINNING JULY 25. 14:41.681 --> 14:43.380 align:start >> WHITNEY DOWNARD, DO YOU THINK 14:43.383 --> 14:44.781 align:start THIS IS NOT THE FIRST RALLY 14:44.784 --> 14:47.050 align:start WE'VE SEEN, THIS WILL NOT BE THE 14:47.053 --> 14:48.452 align:start LAST. 14:48.455 --> 14:49.920 align:start THERE IS ONE TOMORROW. 14:49.923 --> 14:50.186 align:start ANOTHER BEFORE THE SPECIAL 14:50.189 --> 14:51.288 align:start SESSION. 14:51.291 --> 14:54.791 align:start ARE THEY MAKING A DIFFERENCE? 14:54.794 --> 14:57.861 align:start >> NO. 14:57.864 --> 14:59.529 align:start WE KNOW IN PUBLIC OPINION POLLS 14:59.532 --> 15:00.764 align:start PEOPLE ARE REALLY DIVIDED. 15:00.767 --> 15:03.500 align:start NARROW, 50/50. 15:03.503 --> 15:06.270 align:start BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE A 15:06.273 --> 15:07.737 align:start SUPERMAJORITY, 100 LEGISLATORS 15:07.740 --> 15:09.706 align:start HAVE ALREADY SIGNALED THEIR 15:09.709 --> 15:10.073 align:start SUPPORT FOR ANTI-ABORTION 15:10.076 --> 15:13.343 align:start LEGISLATION. 15:13.346 --> 15:13.609 align:start I DON'T SEE THEM CHANGING THEIR 15:13.612 --> 15:15.244 align:start MIND. 15:15.247 --> 15:16.780 align:start THEY WERE NOT AT THE STATEHOUSE. 15:16.783 --> 15:18.282 align:start THEY AVOIDED THE PROTEST 15:18.285 --> 15:20.784 align:start COMPLETELY. 15:20.787 --> 15:23.287 align:start >> JOHN, I WAS TALKING TO A 15:23.290 --> 15:24.854 align:start POLITICAL SCIENTIST ABOUT PUBLIC 15:24.857 --> 15:25.689 align:start OPINION POLLS AND THESE RALLIES 15:25.692 --> 15:28.591 align:start ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THEY MAKE A 15:28.594 --> 15:30.126 align:start DIFFERENCE TO LAWMAKERS AND EVEN 15:30.129 --> 15:32.862 align:start THE TESTIMONY THAT WE'LL HEAR AT 15:32.865 --> 15:33.330 align:start THE STATEHOUSE ONCE THE SPECIAL 15:33.333 --> 15:34.698 align:start SESSION BEGINS. 15:34.701 --> 15:35.832 align:start HE SAID TO ME THE ONLY 15:35.835 --> 15:37.033 align:start DIFFERENCE IT MIGHT MAKE IS ON 15:37.036 --> 15:39.269 align:start THE NUANCES OF THE BILL. 15:39.272 --> 15:41.204 align:start WHAT EXCEPTIONS WILL THERE BE, 15:41.207 --> 15:42.472 align:start IF ANY, TO AN ABORTION BAN. 15:42.475 --> 15:44.040 align:start IS THAT THE ONLY PLACE WHERE 15:44.043 --> 15:45.675 align:start THAT SORT OF THING MIGHT MAKE A 15:45.678 --> 15:48.745 align:start DIFFERENCE? 15:48.748 --> 15:51.315 align:start >> PROBABLY. 15:51.318 --> 15:53.450 align:start I DO THINK AS WHITNEY SAID, WHEN 15:53.453 --> 15:56.853 align:start YOU LOOK AT THE IMPACT THESE 15:56.856 --> 15:58.454 align:start THINGS HAVE IT WILL BE ON 15:58.457 --> 16:02.058 align:start REPUBLICANS VERSUS REPUBLICANS, 16:02.061 --> 16:06.429 align:start DO WE WANT TO PENALIZE WOMEN? 16:06.432 --> 16:07.030 align:start WOMEN WHO ARE SEEN AS VIOLATING 16:07.033 --> 16:08.398 align:start A BAN. 16:08.401 --> 16:12.802 align:start WE HEARD ABOUT THE 10-YEAR-OLD 16:12.805 --> 16:13.337 align:start GIRL WHO HAD TO COME FROM OHIO 16:13.340 --> 16:15.638 align:start TO INDIANA. 16:15.641 --> 16:16.239 align:start WHAT DO WE DO WITH THAT KIND OF 16:16.242 --> 16:17.607 align:start A THING? 16:17.610 --> 16:18.074 align:start IT IS WHAT DOES THAT BAN LOOK 16:18.077 --> 16:20.877 align:start LIKE? 16:20.880 --> 16:21.144 align:start THERE MAY BE SOME ELEMENTS 16:21.147 --> 16:23.413 align:start THERE. 16:23.416 --> 16:24.748 align:start BUT REALLY ULTIMATELY THE ONLY 16:24.751 --> 16:26.816 align:start THING THAT WILL, THIS KIND OF 16:26.819 --> 16:28.051 align:start ENERGY THAT WE'RE SEEING 16:28.054 --> 16:30.086 align:start HARNESSED AND CHANNELED THROUGH 16:30.089 --> 16:31.822 align:start PUBLIC RALLIES AND SO FORTH, IF 16:31.825 --> 16:34.558 align:start THAT SOMEHOW CAN BE CARRIED INTO 16:34.561 --> 16:37.093 align:start THE BALLOT BOX AND THE POLLING 16:37.096 --> 16:38.461 align:start PLACE, WHICH IS CERTAINLY A LOT 16:38.464 --> 16:39.563 align:start OF REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS ADVOCATES 16:39.566 --> 16:40.696 align:start WOULD LIKE TO SEE. 16:40.699 --> 16:42.566 align:start SOME STATES AND SOME DISTRICTS 16:42.569 --> 16:43.567 align:start WHERE IT'S A CLOSER BREAKDOWN, 16:43.570 --> 16:45.902 align:start YOU CAN DO THAT. 16:45.905 --> 16:46.703 align:start NOW, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN 16:46.706 --> 16:47.771 align:start IN INDIANA BECAUSE OF THE WAY 16:47.774 --> 16:49.873 align:start THE DISTRICTS ARE DRAWN. 16:49.876 --> 16:51.208 align:start I THINK YOU COULD SEE SOME SEATS 16:51.211 --> 16:52.942 align:start SHIFT, BUT IT'S NOT AS IF THERE 16:52.945 --> 16:55.111 align:start WILL BE A CHANGE IN THE DOMINANT 16:55.114 --> 16:55.445 align:start PARTY WITHIN THE GENERAL 16:55.448 --> 16:57.047 align:start ASSEMBLY. 16:57.050 --> 16:58.848 align:start >> TO THAT POINT, CHRIS, THIS 16:58.851 --> 17:00.717 align:start HAS THE POTENTIAL, THIS RULING 17:00.720 --> 17:01.985 align:start AND THE FALLOUT FROM IT ONE WAY 17:01.988 --> 17:03.653 align:start OR ANOTHER HAS THE POTENTIAL TO 17:03.656 --> 17:05.122 align:start MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN THIS 17:05.125 --> 17:06.256 align:start FALL'S ELECTIONS WHEN YOU LOOK 17:06.259 --> 17:08.458 align:start AT THE COUNTRY. 17:08.461 --> 17:10.193 align:start EVERY POLL IN THE WORLD SHOWS 17:10.196 --> 17:12.529 align:start THAT DEMOCRATS WERE REALLY 17:12.532 --> 17:13.463 align:start STRUGGLING HEADING INTO THIS 17:13.466 --> 17:14.497 align:start FALL'S ELECTION BECAUSE OF 17:14.500 --> 17:15.932 align:start INFLATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT 17:15.935 --> 17:17.534 align:start AND SOME OF THE POLLS HAVE 17:17.537 --> 17:18.802 align:start STARTED TO GO THE OTHER WAY 17:18.805 --> 17:20.670 align:start AFTER THIS RULING. 17:20.673 --> 17:22.072 align:start BUT HERE IN INDIANA ARE THINGS 17:22.075 --> 17:25.008 align:start LIKELY TO CHANGE AT ALL WHEN IT 17:25.011 --> 17:27.411 align:start COMES TO THIS FALL'S ELECTIONS? 17:27.414 --> 17:29.312 align:start >> I DON'T THINK SO. 17:29.315 --> 17:30.413 align:start I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED 17:30.416 --> 17:33.683 align:start SPECIFICALLY INDIANA. 17:33.686 --> 17:34.484 align:start YOU'VE BEEN HEARING A LOT 17:34.487 --> 17:36.286 align:start FEDERALLY. 17:36.289 --> 17:37.420 align:start BUT THE WHOLE POINT OF THE 17:37.423 --> 17:38.288 align:start SUPREME COURT IS HANDING IT BACK 17:38.291 --> 17:39.956 align:start TO THE STATES. 17:39.959 --> 17:42.859 align:start GO TALK TO YOUR NEIGHBOR AND 17:42.862 --> 17:47.664 align:start STATE LEGISLATURE. 17:47.667 --> 17:49.399 align:start >> WHILE EVERYONE IS BEING DEBBY 17:49.402 --> 17:51.201 align:start DOWNERS, DEMOCRATS LOVE SEEING 17:51.204 --> 17:53.103 align:start WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE GROUND. 17:53.106 --> 17:56.473 align:start WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT BALL STATE 17:56.476 --> 17:58.208 align:start POLL THAT CAME OUT IN 2019, 83% 17:58.211 --> 17:58.975 align:start OF HOOSIERS SUPPORT ABORTION 17:58.978 --> 18:00.810 align:start ACCESS IN SOME FORM. 18:00.813 --> 18:02.479 align:start IF I WERE THE DEMOCRATS IN THE 18:02.482 --> 18:04.181 align:start STATEHOUSE, I WOULD BE PUTTING 18:04.184 --> 18:06.316 align:start DOWN AMENDMENT AFTER AMENDMENT, 18:06.319 --> 18:07.984 align:start NOT ONLY TRYING TO PROTECT 18:07.987 --> 18:08.485 align:start WOMEN'S LIVES, BUT THROWING IT 18:08.488 --> 18:10.353 align:start ON MEN. 18:10.356 --> 18:13.556 align:start IF WE'RE GOING TO REGULATE, IT 18:13.559 --> 18:15.959 align:start TAKES TWO PEOPLE TO MAKE A BABY. 18:15.962 --> 18:16.960 align:start MEN LINE UP, SNIP, SNIP, IF 18:16.963 --> 18:18.394 align:start YOU'RE GOING AFTER WOMEN, WE'RE 18:18.397 --> 18:19.395 align:start GOING TO GO AFTER YOU, TOO. 18:19.398 --> 18:20.263 align:start >> IT'S QUITE A STRETCH. 18:20.266 --> 18:20.930 align:start >> IT'S NOT A STRETCH BECAUSE 18:20.933 --> 18:22.465 align:start IT'S TRUE. 18:22.468 --> 18:23.333 align:start IT LITERALLY TAKES TWO PEOPLE TO 18:23.336 --> 18:25.135 align:start MAKE A BABY. 18:25.138 --> 18:26.403 align:start WHY ARE WE GOING TO REGULATE A 18:26.406 --> 18:27.737 align:start WOMAN WHEN WE COULD REGULATE 18:27.740 --> 18:29.705 align:start MEN, TOO. 18:29.708 --> 18:31.341 align:start >> WHAT I'LL SAY TO THAT IS, 18:31.344 --> 18:34.177 align:start I'LL GIVE YOU THE POINT THERE. 18:34.180 --> 18:34.577 align:start THIS REMINDS ME OF THE EDUCATION 18:34.580 --> 18:36.746 align:start 11-34. 18:36.749 --> 18:38.815 align:start NOT SAYING FOR THAT CONSTANT 18:38.818 --> 18:39.916 align:start PRESSURE PUT ON LEGISLATURES 18:39.919 --> 18:40.150 align:start WHEN THAT WAS COMING DOWN THE 18:40.153 --> 18:42.785 align:start PIKE. 18:42.788 --> 18:44.320 align:start I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S THE SOLE 18:44.323 --> 18:44.587 align:start REASON THAT BILL ENDED UP 18:44.590 --> 18:45.922 align:start FAILING. 18:45.925 --> 18:48.058 align:start BUT I WONDER IF IT WOULD HAVE 18:48.061 --> 18:49.359 align:start HAD A DIFFERENT OUTCOME. 18:49.362 --> 18:49.726 align:start >> I THINK THERE IS SOME KIND OF 18:49.729 --> 18:52.529 align:start PRESSURE. 18:52.532 --> 18:53.530 align:start ON THIS ONE, I'M WONDERING IF IT 18:53.533 --> 18:54.931 align:start DOES. 18:54.934 --> 18:56.366 align:start WHITNEY, IF YOU'RE A LAWMAKER 18:56.369 --> 18:57.667 align:start RIGHT NOW YOU REFERENCED THE 18:57.670 --> 18:58.835 align:start LETTER THEY SENT THE GOVERNOR 18:58.838 --> 18:59.435 align:start RIGHT AT THE END OF THE 18:59.438 --> 19:03.172 align:start LEGISLATIVE SESSION. 19:03.175 --> 19:03.840 align:start IF YOU'RE A LAWMAKERS IS YOUR 19:03.843 --> 19:05.108 align:start MIND MADE UP? 19:05.111 --> 19:05.708 align:start >> I WOULD SAY TO A CERTAIN 19:05.711 --> 19:07.844 align:start EXTENT. 19:07.847 --> 19:10.714 align:start BUT WHEN I CALLED A WHOLE SLEW 19:10.717 --> 19:12.582 align:start OF REPUBLICAN LAWMAKERS WHAT 19:12.585 --> 19:14.551 align:start THEY SPECIFICALLY WANTED, NONE 19:14.554 --> 19:16.920 align:start OF THEM WOULD SHARE. 19:16.923 --> 19:19.088 align:start ONLY ONE SAID. 19:19.091 --> 19:20.790 align:start THE REST SAID I WOULD NOT BE 19:20.793 --> 19:22.525 align:start WILLING TO COMMENT ON EXCEPTIONS 19:22.528 --> 19:23.560 align:start AND WHERE I WOULD DRAW THE LINE. 19:23.563 --> 19:26.563 align:start IF THEY HAVE A PUBLIC OPINION, 19:26.566 --> 19:26.862 align:start THEY ARE NOT GIVING OUT 19:26.865 --> 19:28.631 align:start SPECIFICS. 19:28.634 --> 19:29.499 align:start >> YOU KNOW WHY? 19:29.502 --> 19:31.267 align:start BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE 19:31.270 --> 19:32.802 align:start GOING TO DO IS EXTREME. 19:32.805 --> 19:34.137 align:start THEY'RE GOING TO FORCE MINORS, 19:34.140 --> 19:35.405 align:start THEY'RE GOING TO FORCE GIRLS TO 19:35.408 --> 19:37.340 align:start HAVE BIRTH BECAUSE THEY'RE SET 19:37.343 --> 19:38.808 align:start ON AN EXTREME AGENDA. 19:38.811 --> 19:40.343 align:start THEY'RE GOING TO FORCE 19:40.346 --> 19:40.743 align:start 10-YEAR-OLDS, 12-YEAR-OLDS, 19:40.746 --> 19:42.545 align:start 14-YEAR-OLDS. 19:42.548 --> 19:43.480 align:start THEY WOULD RATHER BAN ALL 19:43.483 --> 19:44.747 align:start ABORTIONS RATHER THAN 19:44.750 --> 19:46.716 align:start UNDERSTANDING THAT THE ISSUE OF 19:46.719 --> 19:49.385 align:start ABORTION IS COMPLICATED. 19:49.388 --> 19:51.054 align:start ERIC HOLCOMB SAYS THE ISSUE OF 19:51.057 --> 19:53.456 align:start CHECKS IS COMPLICATED. 19:53.459 --> 19:57.460 align:start NO, ABORTION IS, HEALTHCARE IS. 19:57.463 --> 20:01.097 align:start >> NEARLY 30% OF HOOSIER 20:01.100 --> 20:01.998 align:start HOUSEHOLDS SURVEYED IN 2020 SAID 20:02.001 --> 20:02.532 align:start THEY FORGO FOOD OR MEDICINE TO 20:02.535 --> 20:03.133 align:start PAY THEIR UTILITY BILL, HAVE 20:03.136 --> 20:03.867 align:start RECEIVED A DISCONNECTION NOTICE, 20:03.870 --> 20:04.334 align:start OR KEEP THEIR HOME AT UNHEALTHY 20:04.337 --> 20:04.934 align:start TEMPERATURES TO SAVE MONEY. 20:04.937 --> 20:05.535 align:start THAT'S DATA FROM THE ENERGY 20:05.538 --> 20:06.636 align:start INFORMATION ADMINISTRATION. 20:06.639 --> 20:08.605 align:start INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING'S 20:08.608 --> 20:10.407 align:start REBECCA THIELE REPORTS A STATE 20:10.410 --> 20:12.275 align:start AGENCY REPRESENTING CONSUMERS 20:12.278 --> 20:13.143 align:start WANTS MORE DATA ON HOOSIERS 20:13.146 --> 20:18.648 align:start STRUGGLING TO PAY BILLS AND 20:18.651 --> 20:20.116 align:start GETTING THEIR POWER SHUT OFF. 20:20.119 --> 20:20.783 align:start >> DURING THE PAST TWO YEARS OF 20:20.786 --> 20:21.384 align:start THE PANDEMIC, THE STATE REQUIRED 20:21.387 --> 20:22.352 align:start SEVERAL INDIANA UTILITIES TO 20:22.355 --> 20:24.154 align:start REPORT THAT INFO. WITH NATURAL 20:24.157 --> 20:25.588 align:start GAS PRICES LEADING TO BIG, 20:25.591 --> 20:27.323 align:start TEMPORARY RATE INCREASES FOR 20:27.326 --> 20:29.826 align:start MANY HOOSIERS AS WELL AS 20:29.829 --> 20:31.261 align:start INFLATION, THE INDIANA OFFICE OF 20:31.264 --> 20:32.828 align:start UTILITY CONSUMER COUNSELOR SAYS 20:32.831 --> 20:34.197 align:start WE NEED TO START COLLECTING THAT 20:34.200 --> 20:38.201 align:start DATA AGAIN. ANTHONY SWINGER IS 20:38.204 --> 20:38.969 align:start THE SPOKESPERSON FOR THE AGENCY. 20:38.972 --> 20:40.336 align:start ANTHONY SWINGER: WHAT'S THE 20:40.339 --> 20:42.171 align:start IMPACT ON CUSTOMERS BEING SHUT 20:42.174 --> 20:43.739 align:start OFF? WHAT'S THE IMPACT ON 20:43.742 --> 20:45.275 align:start CUSTOMERS' ABILITIES TO PAY 20:45.278 --> 20:46.710 align:start THEIR BILLS AND STAY CURRENT ON 20:46.713 --> 20:51.281 align:start THEIR ACCOUNTS? WE DON'T KNOW 20:51.284 --> 20:52.615 align:start THAT WITHOUT SEEING DATA. 20:52.618 --> 20:53.349 align:start >> THE E.I.A. DATA SHOWS INDIANA 20:53.352 --> 20:55.485 align:start HOUSEHOLDS HAVE MORE ENERGY 20:55.488 --> 20:56.786 align:start INSECURITY THAN ALL BUT SEVEN 20:56.789 --> 20:57.420 align:start STATES IN THE COUNTRY. ANOTHER 20:57.423 --> 20:58.555 align:start STUDY SHOWED INDIANA HAS HAD THE 20:58.558 --> 21:08.731 align:start THIRD MOST SHUTOFFS OF ANY STATE 21:08.734 --> 21:10.300 align:start DURING THE PANDEMIC SO FAR. 21:10.303 --> 21:11.034 align:start >> JON SCHWANTES, DO THESE 21:11.037 --> 21:11.701 align:start NUMBERS MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE WITH 21:11.704 --> 21:14.871 align:start LAWMAKERS WHO ALMOST ALWAYS SIDE 21:14.874 --> 21:16.072 align:start WITH UTILITIES? 21:16.075 --> 21:22.111 align:start >> THEY DO ALMOST ALWAYS SIDE 21:22.114 --> 21:24.647 align:start WITH UTILITIES. 21:24.650 --> 21:26.616 align:start THE POTENTIAL DIFFERENCE HERE IS 21:26.619 --> 21:28.785 align:start INFLATION AND RAPID INCREASES IN 21:28.788 --> 21:30.453 align:start COSTS ON THE AVERAGE HOOSIER 21:30.456 --> 21:31.754 align:start FAMILY, EQUAL OPPORTUNITY, THEY 21:31.757 --> 21:34.591 align:start INFLICT EQUAL OPPORTUNITY PAIN. 21:34.594 --> 21:37.093 align:start AND THERE ARE PEOPLE IN, YOU 21:37.096 --> 21:38.662 align:start KNOW, RURAL PARTS OF THE STATE 21:38.665 --> 21:41.931 align:start THAT ARE LARGELY REPUBLICAN THAT 21:41.934 --> 21:43.933 align:start ARE HURTING JUST AS MUCH AS, YOU 21:43.936 --> 21:45.669 align:start KNOW, URBAN CENTERS THAT TEND TO 21:45.672 --> 21:48.538 align:start SKEW DEMOCRATIC. 21:48.541 --> 21:50.306 align:start SO, IT'S NOT AS LOPSIDED AS IT 21:50.309 --> 21:53.142 align:start MIGHT SEEM. 21:53.145 --> 21:55.211 align:start THIS ISN'T SHAREHOLDERS. 21:55.214 --> 21:58.581 align:start THAT'S ASKING SHAREHOLDERS 21:58.584 --> 22:01.250 align:start VERSUS POOR LITTLE RATE PAYERS. 22:01.253 --> 22:02.652 align:start HOOSIERS ARE FEELING IT FROM ONE 22:02.655 --> 22:04.220 align:start END OF THE STATE TO THE OTHER. 22:04.223 --> 22:05.521 align:start THERE IS A THEME RUNNING THROUGH 22:05.524 --> 22:06.089 align:start TODAY'S SHOW, AS YOU JUST 22:06.092 --> 22:08.024 align:start ALLUDED TO. 22:08.027 --> 22:09.592 align:start HERE WE HAVE A STATE AGENCY, 22:09.595 --> 22:10.726 align:start THAT WHICH IS CHARGED WITH 22:10.729 --> 22:12.028 align:start PROTECTING CONSUMERS. 22:12.031 --> 22:13.630 align:start HOW DARE WOULD SOMEONE WITH 22:13.633 --> 22:16.700 align:start EXPERTISE IN THAT AREA WOULD 22:16.703 --> 22:18.835 align:start SUGGEST THAT HE HAS AUTHORITY 22:18.838 --> 22:20.236 align:start THAT COMPANIES BE COMPELLED 22:20.239 --> 22:20.569 align:start POST-COVID TO GIVE THIS KIND OF 22:20.572 --> 22:21.838 align:start INFORMATION. 22:21.841 --> 22:23.506 align:start THAT SEEMS TO ME LIKE IT SHOULD 22:23.509 --> 22:25.809 align:start BE RESERVED FOR THE GENERAL 22:25.812 --> 22:26.076 align:start ASSEMBLY ITSELF TO MAKE THAT 22:26.079 --> 22:29.445 align:start DECISION. 22:29.448 --> 22:31.848 align:start ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF MAYBE 22:31.851 --> 22:34.117 align:start DISREGARD FOR THE INTERSECTION 22:34.120 --> 22:35.685 align:start OF ACTUALLY RULEMAKING AND 22:35.688 --> 22:37.721 align:start GOVERNANCE, WHICH IS THE CIVIL 22:37.724 --> 22:39.389 align:start SERVICE SIDE OF THIS, VERSUS THE 22:39.392 --> 22:41.591 align:start NOTION OF WE SHOULD DO IT ALL AT 22:41.594 --> 22:42.525 align:start THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY. 22:42.528 --> 22:44.227 align:start >> WHITNEY, WHEN I WAS THINKING 22:44.230 --> 22:45.762 align:start ABOUT THIS ISSUE, IT STRUCK ME A 22:45.765 --> 22:47.130 align:start LITTLE LIKE WE'VE SEEN THE 22:47.133 --> 22:48.398 align:start HOUSING LEGISLATION PLAY OUT AT 22:48.401 --> 22:50.133 align:start THE STATEHOUSE. 22:50.136 --> 22:51.968 align:start THEY DID PASS SOME STUFF LAST 22:51.971 --> 22:53.202 align:start YEAR TO HELP HOOSIERS WHO NEED 22:53.205 --> 22:54.971 align:start HELP WITH THEIR HOUSING, BUT A 22:54.974 --> 22:56.305 align:start LOT OF THE TIME THEY SEEM TO 22:56.308 --> 22:57.273 align:start SIDE WITH LANDLORDS. 22:57.276 --> 22:59.675 align:start BUT PART OF WHAT YOU HEAR, 22:59.678 --> 23:03.179 align:start EVERYBODY THINKS OF THE GIANT 23:03.182 --> 23:05.281 align:start CORPORATE LANDLORDINGS AND THERE 23:05.284 --> 23:07.683 align:start PLENTY WHO AREN'T GIANT 23:07.686 --> 23:08.785 align:start CORPORATES LANDLORDS WHO RELY ON 23:08.788 --> 23:12.855 align:start THAT PAYMENT. 23:12.858 --> 23:13.490 align:start HARD TO MAKE THAT ARGUMENT WITH 23:13.493 --> 23:14.891 align:start UTILITIES? 23:14.894 --> 23:16.459 align:start >> I'M FRANKLY SURPRISED THAT WE 23:16.462 --> 23:17.460 align:start DON'T KEEP TRACK OF THIS SORT OF 23:17.463 --> 23:19.362 align:start DATA ALREADY. 23:19.365 --> 23:19.629 align:start >> IT'S LIKE AN OBVIOUS THING. 23:19.632 --> 23:21.597 align:start >> YEAH. 23:21.600 --> 23:23.433 align:start IF YOU SEE A PROBLEM WITH 23:23.436 --> 23:24.501 align:start UTILITY SHUTOFFS YOU SHOULD 23:24.504 --> 23:26.068 align:start PROBABLY COLLECT SOME DATA ON 23:26.071 --> 23:27.270 align:start WHY THEY'RE BEING SHUT OFF. 23:27.273 --> 23:28.338 align:start I DON'T REALLY SEE WHY WE 23:28.341 --> 23:29.639 align:start WOULDN'T WANT TO CONTINUE 23:29.642 --> 23:30.940 align:start KEEPING THIS DATA, IF NOT TO 23:30.943 --> 23:31.441 align:start BETTER INFORM OURSELVES ON 23:31.444 --> 23:33.109 align:start WHAT'S HAPPENING. 23:33.112 --> 23:34.377 align:start >> AT THE VERY LEAST, IS THAT A 23:34.380 --> 23:36.179 align:start BASIC STEP YOU THINK COULD GET 23:36.182 --> 23:39.582 align:start DONE IN THIS STATE? 23:39.585 --> 23:43.319 align:start >> THAT WOULD ACTUALLY MEAN THE 23:43.322 --> 23:44.587 align:start INDIANA REPUBLICAN PARTY CARES 23:44.590 --> 23:46.355 align:start ABOUT THE EVERYDAY HOOSIER. 23:46.358 --> 23:48.425 align:start THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT. 23:48.428 --> 23:49.459 align:start THEY HAVE PUT BUSINESSES BEFORE 23:49.462 --> 23:51.494 align:start EVERYDAY VOTERS. 23:51.497 --> 23:53.263 align:start >> DO YOU THINK AT THE VERY 23:53.266 --> 23:54.998 align:start MINIMUM COLLECTING THIS DATA IS 23:55.001 --> 23:55.465 align:start SOMETHING WE CAN GET DONE. 23:55.468 --> 23:57.667 align:start >> ABSOLUTELY. 23:57.670 --> 23:58.401 align:start THIS DATA IS NOT FALLING ON DEAF 23:58.404 --> 23:58.668 align:start EARS. 23:58.671 --> 24:01.737 align:start [LAUGHTER] 24:01.740 --> 24:05.374 align:start THE CREDIT SHOULD GO TO THE TWO 24:05.377 --> 24:06.709 align:start CHAIRS OF THE UTILITY COMMITTEES 24:06.712 --> 24:08.578 align:start BECAUSE THEY KNOW INDIANA IS AT 24:08.581 --> 24:10.012 align:start A TURNING POINT. 24:10.015 --> 24:14.617 align:start IT'S NOT THAT UTILITY COMPANIES 24:14.620 --> 24:17.019 align:start CAN'T SWITCH TO THESE RENEWABLE 24:17.022 --> 24:22.559 align:start SOURCES BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE 24:22.562 --> 24:23.292 align:start NIPSCO CAN'T GET THE SOLAR 24:23.295 --> 24:23.926 align:start INFRASTRUCTURE. 24:23.929 --> 24:25.261 align:start BUT THEY HAVE PRICE AT THE 24:25.264 --> 24:25.528 align:start FOREFRONT OF ALL OF THESE 24:25.531 --> 24:26.562 align:start DISCUSSIONS. 24:26.565 --> 24:31.000 align:start >> IF YOU'RE GOING TO SAY THAT, 24:31.003 --> 24:33.203 align:start THEN YOU NEED TO TELL KYLE 24:33.206 --> 24:34.871 align:start HUFFNER AND YOUR REPUBLICANS 24:34.874 --> 24:36.272 align:start CAMPAIGN TO CAMPAIGN ON 24:36.275 --> 24:37.974 align:start RENEWABLE ENERGY BECAUSE THEY 24:37.977 --> 24:39.809 align:start ONLY CARE ABOUT COAL THESE DAYS. 24:39.812 --> 24:40.176 align:start >> SOMETIMES DATA CAN BE 24:40.179 --> 24:40.843 align:start DISCOMFORTING. 24:40.846 --> 24:42.111 align:start FOR INSTANCE, SAY DURING A 24:42.114 --> 24:44.213 align:start PANDEMIC WHEN YOU WANT TO KNOW 24:44.216 --> 24:45.515 align:start HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE DYING IN 24:45.518 --> 24:46.616 align:start NURSING HOMES AND THERE ARE SOME 24:46.619 --> 24:47.584 align:start PEOPLE IN STATE GOVERNMENT WHO 24:47.587 --> 24:50.453 align:start SAY WE REALLY DON'T NEED THAT 24:50.456 --> 24:50.720 align:start DATA OR NOT TO MAKE IT PUBLICLY 24:50.723 --> 24:52.989 align:start ACCESSIBLE. 24:52.992 --> 24:53.856 align:start SO, SOMETIMES DATA, AND I'M NOT 24:53.859 --> 24:56.025 align:start ONE OF THOSE. 24:56.028 --> 24:56.459 align:start I WANT DATA EVERYWHERE, ALL THE 24:56.462 --> 24:57.793 align:start TIME. 24:57.796 --> 24:57.993 align:start THAT'S WHAT A DEMOCRACY SHOULD 24:57.996 --> 24:59.328 align:start BE. 24:59.331 --> 24:59.862 align:start BUT SOMETIMES IT CAN BE 24:59.865 --> 25:01.731 align:start UNCOMFORTABLE. 25:01.734 --> 25:03.165 align:start >> AND THIS DATA THAT WE'RE 25:03.168 --> 25:05.468 align:start TALKING ABOUT THAT WAS COLLECTED 25:05.471 --> 25:07.336 align:start BY THE ENERGY INFORMATION 25:07.339 --> 25:07.804 align:start ADMINISTRATION CAME OUT OF THE 25:07.807 --> 25:09.605 align:start PANDEMIC. 25:09.608 --> 25:11.875 align:start SO, WHEN THINGS WERE AT THEIR 25:11.878 --> 25:13.876 align:start WORST IN TERMS OF PEOPLE BEING 25:13.879 --> 25:15.111 align:start ABLE TO PAY THEIR BILLS. 25:15.114 --> 25:16.613 align:start BUT THE PANDEMIC DIDN'T CREATE 25:16.616 --> 25:18.481 align:start NEW CASES. 25:18.484 --> 25:20.082 align:start IT JUST SHINED A BRIGHTER LIGHT. 25:20.085 --> 25:21.216 align:start HAS THIS UNDERLINED THE NEED FOR 25:21.219 --> 25:21.951 align:start THIS DATA GOING FORWARD? 25:21.954 --> 25:24.620 align:start >> I THINK SO. 25:24.623 --> 25:25.488 align:start IT BETTER EMBODIES WHERE OUR 25:25.491 --> 25:26.890 align:start WEAKNESSES ARE AND WHERE THE 25:26.893 --> 25:27.690 align:start GAPS ARE. 25:27.693 --> 25:29.726 align:start SAME WITH NURSING HOME DATA. 25:29.729 --> 25:30.693 align:start I REMEMBER EARLY ON NURSING 25:30.696 --> 25:32.161 align:start HOMES WERE REALLY PUSHING THE 25:32.164 --> 25:34.130 align:start STATE NOT TO RELEASE THAT DATA 25:34.133 --> 25:35.965 align:start EVEN THOUGH THAT REALLY HELPED 25:35.968 --> 25:37.066 align:start INFORM WHAT SORT OF INFECTION 25:37.069 --> 25:37.733 align:start CONTROL POLICIES NEEDED TO BE 25:37.736 --> 25:39.969 align:start PUT IN PLACE. 25:39.972 --> 25:40.904 align:start SO, I THINK THAT THE DATA IS 25:40.907 --> 25:41.571 align:start SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY SHOULD 25:41.574 --> 25:44.874 align:start BE HAVING. 25:44.877 --> 25:45.508 align:start >> ALL RIGHT. 25:45.511 --> 25:49.879 align:start WELL, THAT'S INDIANA WEEK IN 25:49.882 --> 25:50.446 align:start REVIEW FOR THIS WEEK. 25:50.449 --> 25:50.713 align:start OUR PANEL IS DEMOCRAT DREW 25:50.716 --> 25:52.114 align:start ANDERSON 25:52.117 --> 25:53.049 align:start REPUBLICAN CHRIS MITCHEM 25:53.052 --> 25:53.449 align:start JON SCHWANTES OF INDIANA 25:53.452 --> 25:54.183 align:start LAWMAKERS AND. 25:54.186 --> 25:57.920 align:start WHITNEY DOWNARD OF THE INDIANA 25:57.923 --> 26:00.590 align:start CAPITOL CHRONICLE 26:00.593 --> 26:01.190 align:start IF YOU'D LIKE A PODCAST OF THIS 26:01.193 --> 26:02.625 align:start PROGRAM YOU CAN FIND IT AT 26:02.628 --> 26:04.793 align:start WFYI.ORG/IWIR OR STARTING MONDAY 26:04.796 --> 26:05.394 align:start YOU CAN STREAM IT OR GET IT ON 26:05.397 --> 26:06.696 align:start DEMAND FROM XFINITY AND ON THE 26:06.699 --> 26:07.964 align:start WFYI APP. 26:07.967 --> 26:09.465 align:start I'M BRANDON SMITH OF INDIANA 26:09.468 --> 26:10.567 align:start PUBLIC BROADCASTING. 26:10.570 --> 26:18.141 align:start JOIN US NEXT TIME BECAUSE A LOT 26:18.343 --> 26:33.689 align:start ♪ 26:33.692 --> 26:37.060 align:start >> THE OPINIONS EXPRESSED ARE 26:37.063 --> 26:38.761 align:start SOLELY THOSE OF THE PANELISTS. 26:38.764 --> 26:40.930 align:start INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW IS A WFYI 26:40.933 --> 26:42.031 align:start PRODUCTION, IN ASSOCIATION WITH 26:42.034 --> 26:46.268 align:start INDIANA'S PUBLIC BROADCASTING