1 00:00:00,050 --> 00:00:03,050 >> THE GOVERNOR WON'T NEGOTIATE 2 00:00:03,050 --> 00:00:04,130 IN PUBLIC. 3 00:00:04,130 --> 00:00:05,060 WILL THAT HURT HIS TAX REFORM 4 00:00:06,150 --> 00:00:09,150 PLAN? 5 00:00:09,150 --> 00:00:10,150 >> A VOTE FOR THE MASS TRANSIT 6 00:00:10,150 --> 00:00:11,070 BILL, NEW DRONE REGULATIONS 7 00:00:11,070 --> 00:00:12,130 ADVANCE IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, 8 00:00:12,130 --> 00:00:13,120 AND SCOTT PELATH SUGGESTS 9 00:00:13,120 --> 00:00:14,080 CALLING OFF THE REST OF THE 10 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,190 SESSION. 11 00:00:16,190 --> 00:00:17,260 >> THAT, PLUS A WAY TO IMPROVE 12 00:00:17,260 --> 00:00:19,180 GIRL SCOUT COOKIES AND MORE ON 13 00:00:19,180 --> 00:00:21,230 "INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW" FOR THE 14 00:01:26,170 --> 00:01:28,170 >> THIS WEEK. 15 00:01:28,170 --> 00:01:29,090 >> IT'S HALFTIME N THE GENERAL 16 00:01:29,090 --> 00:01:30,230 ASSEMBLY AND GOVERNOR MIKE PENCE 17 00:01:30,230 --> 00:01:31,150 SAYS HE WON'T NEGOTIATE HIS PLAN 18 00:01:31,150 --> 00:01:32,140 FOR CORPORATE TAX REFORM IN 19 00:01:32,140 --> 00:01:35,110 PUBLIC. 20 00:01:35,110 --> 00:01:36,290 THE GOVERNOR MET WITH REPORTERS 21 00:01:36,290 --> 00:01:38,110 IN HIS STATEHOUSE OFFICE TO 22 00:01:38,110 --> 00:01:39,220 EXPRESS CONFIDENCE THAT 23 00:01:39,220 --> 00:01:41,080 LAWMAKERS WILL APPROVE AT LEAST 24 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,020 PART OF HIS PLAN TO ELIMINATE A 25 00:01:43,020 --> 00:01:44,280 TAX ON BUSINESS EQUIPMENT. 26 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,070 THE MONEY FROM THAT 27 00:01:46,070 --> 00:01:47,250 BILLION-DOLLAR TAX GOES TO LOCAL 28 00:01:47,250 --> 00:01:48,280 GOVERNMENTS AND NO REPLACEMENT 29 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,270 REVENUE HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED. 30 00:01:51,090 --> 00:01:54,090 MAYORS, INCLUDING GREG BALLARD, 31 00:01:54,090 --> 00:01:55,000 ARE CONCERNED, BUT PENCEESAYS 32 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,260 THEY WON'T BE "UNDULY HARMED." 33 00:01:57,260 --> 00:01:59,100 >> I KNOW YOU ALL WANT ME TO 34 00:01:59,100 --> 00:02:00,160 TALK ABOUT DETAIL. 35 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:01,130 I KNOW THAT. 36 00:02:04,150 --> 00:02:07,150 OK. 37 00:02:07,150 --> 00:02:08,190 BUT WE'RE INVOLVED IN 38 00:02:08,230 --> 00:02:11,230 DISCUSSION, IN NEGOTIATIONS. 39 00:02:11,230 --> 00:02:13,010 THERE WILL BE COMPROMISE AND WE 40 00:02:13,010 --> 00:02:14,230 ARE LISTENING NOT JUST TO 41 00:02:14,230 --> 00:02:15,200 MEMBERS OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY 42 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:16,250 BUT WE ARE LISTENING TO OUR 43 00:02:17,110 --> 00:02:20,110 LOCAL MAYORS." 44 00:02:20,110 --> 00:02:21,070 >> WHERE WILL THE REPLACEMENT 45 00:02:21,070 --> 00:02:22,080 MONEY COME FROM? 46 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:23,270 IT'S THE FIRST QUESTION FOR OUR 47 00:02:23,270 --> 00:02:25,060 "INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW" PANEL. 48 00:02:25,060 --> 00:02:27,080 DEMOCRAT DAN PARKER. 49 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,140 REPUBLICAN MIKE MCDANIEL. 50 00:02:29,140 --> 00:02:30,150 JON SCHWANTES, THE HOST OF 51 00:02:30,150 --> 00:02:31,090 "INDIANA LAWMAKERS" AND 52 00:02:31,090 --> 00:02:32,150 JOHN KETZENBERGER, PRESIDENT OF 53 00:02:33,250 --> 00:02:36,250 THE INDIANA FISCAL POLICY 54 00:02:36,250 --> 00:02:37,150 INSTITUTE. 55 00:02:37,150 --> 00:02:38,100 >> DAN PARKER, THE GOVERNOR SAYS 56 00:02:38,260 --> 00:02:41,260 LOCAL GOVERNMENTS WON'T BE 57 00:02:41,260 --> 00:02:43,030 "UNDULY HARMED." 58 00:02:43,030 --> 00:02:45,110 HOW MUCH HARM DO YOU THINK THAT 59 00:02:46,010 --> 00:02:49,010 POSITION ALLOWS? 60 00:02:49,010 --> 00:02:50,150 >> HOPELEY NOT TOO MUCH. 61 00:02:50,150 --> 00:02:51,160 I MEAN, THE BIGGEST PROBLEM HERE 62 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,010 IS HE'S GOVERNING BY TALKING 63 00:02:53,010 --> 00:02:54,070 POINTS INSTEAD OF DETAILS. 64 00:02:54,070 --> 00:02:56,090 YOU JUST HAD THE CLIP THERE. 65 00:02:56,090 --> 00:02:57,070 YOU KNOW, THIS IS -- THIS IS NOT 66 00:02:57,100 --> 00:03:00,120 A GOOD WAY TO DO THIS. 67 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:01,240 SOME PEOPLE ON THIS PANEL HAVE 68 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,270 BEEN AROUND WHEN WE'VE DONE TAX 69 00:03:03,270 --> 00:03:04,270 RESTRUCTURING BEFORE. 70 00:03:04,270 --> 00:03:07,000 IT'S USUALLY BIPARTISAN. 71 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:08,210 THERE'S USUALLY A LOT OF DETAILS 72 00:03:08,210 --> 00:03:10,210 ON THE TABLE FROM THE BEGINNING. 73 00:03:10,210 --> 00:03:11,120 THERE'S BUYIN. 74 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,090 AND THE GOVERNOR GOESSOUT ON THE 75 00:03:13,090 --> 00:03:14,030 ROAD SELLING IT. 76 00:03:14,030 --> 00:03:16,020 AND HE'S NOT DOING ANY OF THIS. 77 00:03:16,020 --> 00:03:17,180 I MEAN, HE CAN'T EVEN GET 78 00:03:17,180 --> 00:03:20,150 AGREEMENT FROM HIS OWN PARTY LET 79 00:03:20,150 --> 00:03:21,130 ALONE BIPARTISAN CONSENSUS. 80 00:03:21,130 --> 00:03:24,050 AND THE PROBBEM IS, IS THAT IT 81 00:03:24,050 --> 00:03:25,180 JUST DOESN'T ADD UP AND I THINK 82 00:03:25,180 --> 00:03:27,020 THE REPORT FROM JON'S 83 00:03:27,020 --> 00:03:28,200 ORGANIZATION HAS MADE IT EVEN 84 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:30,140 WORSE BECAUSE NOW THERE'S NO 85 00:03:30,140 --> 00:03:32,040 ECONOMIC SENSE IN DOING THIS SO, 86 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:32,290 YOU KNOW, LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ARE 87 00:03:32,290 --> 00:03:33,290 SITTING HERE GOONG, YOU KNOW, 88 00:03:33,290 --> 00:03:35,170 WHY DO WE HAVE TO HOLD THE BAG 89 00:03:35,170 --> 00:03:38,120 FOR SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T MAKE 90 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:38,210 SENSE? 91 00:03:38,210 --> 00:03:40,080 >> HE SAYS HE DOESN'T WANT TO 92 00:03:41,050 --> 00:03:44,050 PROVIDE DETAILS, BUT HOW DO YOU 93 00:03:44,050 --> 00:03:45,170 DO ONE-HALF OF THIS? 94 00:03:45,170 --> 00:03:47,200 YOU REDUCE TAXES ON BUSINESS 95 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,050 AND -- AND THEN DON'T DO THE 96 00:03:49,050 --> 00:03:50,290 OTHER HALF AND EXPLAIN WHERE THE 97 00:03:50,290 --> 00:03:52,030 REPLACEMENT MONEY'S GOING TO 98 00:03:52,030 --> 00:03:53,110 COME FROM BECAUSE HE KEEPS 99 00:03:53,110 --> 00:03:55,130 SAYING THIS IS NOT A TAX CUT, 100 00:03:55,130 --> 00:03:56,150 IT'S TAX REFORM. 101 00:03:56,150 --> 00:03:58,100 >> FIRST OF ALL, THE IDEA OF 102 00:03:58,100 --> 00:03:59,250 ELIMINATION COMPLETELY WOULD BE 103 00:03:59,250 --> 00:04:00,270 A BILLION DOLLARS-PLUS. 104 00:04:00,270 --> 00:04:01,100 >> RIGHT. 105 00:04:01,100 --> 00:04:02,090 >> THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. 106 00:04:02,090 --> 00:04:03,050 >> NOT IMMEDIATTLY. 107 00:04:03,050 --> 00:04:04,130 >> IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, 108 00:04:04,130 --> 00:04:05,280 IT'SSNOT GOING TO HAPPEN IN THIS 109 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:06,080 SESSION. 110 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,060 >> WHAT WOULD HE PROPOSE? 111 00:04:08,060 --> 00:04:09,210 >> WHAT HE SAID WAS THERE ARE 112 00:04:09,210 --> 00:04:10,270 BILLS MOVING IN BOTH THE HOUSE 113 00:04:11,270 --> 00:04:14,270 WOULD REDUCE -- TAKE 70% OF 114 00:04:14,270 --> 00:04:17,180 THOSEEWHO PAY THE TAX OFF THE 115 00:04:17,180 --> 00:04:20,120 TABLE AND DO THAT FOR A LOT LESS 116 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:21,190 THAN THE BILLION DOLLARS. 117 00:04:21,190 --> 00:04:22,010 ACTUALLY -- 118 00:04:22,010 --> 00:04:23,000 >> HE PROPOSED GETTING RID OF 119 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,110 THE WHOLE THING. 120 00:04:25,110 --> 00:04:26,150 >> HE'S SAYING DIFFERENT THINGS. 121 00:04:26,150 --> 00:04:28,050 WANTED TO START THE PROCESS. 122 00:04:28,050 --> 00:04:29,020 >> THAT'S WHAT HE SAID WHEN HE 123 00:04:29,020 --> 00:04:31,110 BROUGHT IT UP AT THE LEGISLATIVE 124 00:04:31,110 --> 00:04:32,140 CONFERENCE WHEN HE ANNOUNCED 125 00:04:32,140 --> 00:04:33,170 THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME. 126 00:04:33,170 --> 00:04:35,050 THE BILL IN THE SENATE THAT'S 127 00:04:35,050 --> 00:04:36,140 MOVING, THERE'S A BILL IN THE 128 00:04:36,140 --> 00:04:38,000 HOUSE THAT'S MOVING THAT 129 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:38,200 WOULD -- 130 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,020 >> HEARING ON MONDAY. 131 00:04:41,020 --> 00:04:41,290 >> AND THERE'S A HEARING ON 132 00:04:41,290 --> 00:04:42,230 MONDAY ON THAT. 133 00:04:42,230 --> 00:04:44,290 SO HE'S GOT TWO PIECES OF THIS 134 00:04:44,290 --> 00:04:45,200 BOTH MOVING AT THE SAME TIME. 135 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,200 I DO THINK THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE 136 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,070 SOME FORM OF BUSINESS PEESONAL 137 00:04:50,070 --> 00:04:51,230 PROPERTY TAX RELIEF COME OUT OF 138 00:04:51,230 --> 00:04:52,200 THIS SESSION. 139 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,200 >> WITH REPLACEMENT REVENUE? 140 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:55,160 >> WELL, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT HOW 141 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:56,200 THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT, OR IF 142 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,140 THEE DO THE PART THAT'S IN THE 143 00:04:58,140 --> 00:05:00,180 SENATE BILL 1 WHICH WOULD 144 00:05:00,180 --> 00:05:03,060 ELIMINATE IS FOR 71% OF THE 145 00:05:03,060 --> 00:05:05,000 BUSINESSES, SMALL BUSINESSES 146 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:06,220 WITH $25,000 OR LESS EQUIPMENT, 147 00:05:06,220 --> 00:05:08,160 YOU COULD DO IT AND THAT'S NOT 148 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:09,220 VERY EXPENSIVE. 149 00:05:09,220 --> 00:05:12,000 TO SOME LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, FOR 150 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:13,240 INSTANCE, THAT'S AS MUCH AS 151 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:14,220 MAYBE $16,000. 152 00:05:14,220 --> 00:05:15,040 >> YEAH. 153 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:16,000 >> NOW, IF YOU START TALKING 154 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:17,270 ABOUT A BILLION DOLLARS, IT IS A 155 00:05:17,270 --> 00:05:19,120 MAJOR HIT TO GOVERNMENT, THAT'S 156 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:20,230 WHY THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. 157 00:05:20,230 --> 00:05:22,240 BUT HE'S GOING TO GET SOME OF 158 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,000 THIS, HE'S GOING TO GET A PIECE 159 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:25,150 OF THIS AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE 160 00:05:25,150 --> 00:05:27,030 TRYING TO NEGOTIATE RIGHT NOW. 161 00:05:27,030 --> 00:05:28,180 THEY'RE TRYING TO GET WITH BOTH 162 00:05:28,180 --> 00:05:29,290 THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE AND 163 00:05:29,290 --> 00:05:31,080 COME UP WITH SOME HYBRID THAT 164 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:32,200 MAKES SENSE JUST AS THEY DID 165 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:33,050 LAST YEAR. 166 00:05:33,050 --> 00:05:35,090 THEY GOT A PIECE OF WHAT THEY 167 00:05:35,090 --> 00:05:36,240 WANTED WITH THE INCOME TAX LAST 168 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:37,230 YEAR. 169 00:05:37,230 --> 00:05:39,140 >> JON, DO YOU THINK, IS WHAT -- 170 00:05:39,140 --> 00:05:41,200 WHAT WE'RE BEING TOLD THAT -- 171 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,140 THAT THERE ARE GOING TO BE CUTS 172 00:05:43,140 --> 00:05:45,140 AND THERE ARE GOING TO BE 173 00:05:45,140 --> 00:05:46,110 REDUCTIONS TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT 174 00:05:46,110 --> 00:05:48,020 WITH NO REPLACEMENT BUT IT WON'T 175 00:05:48,270 --> 00:05:51,270 BE A BIG REDUCTION? 176 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:55,080 >> I THINK A LOT OF MAYORS ARE 177 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,020 CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THIS FITS 178 00:05:57,110 --> 00:06:00,130 INTO A BROADER PATTERN, ONE THAT 179 00:06:00,150 --> 00:06:03,150 INTO THE PAST THAN THE START OF 180 00:06:03,150 --> 00:06:04,270 THE PENCE ADMINISTRATION. 181 00:06:04,270 --> 00:06:07,210 YOU'RE LOOKING AT BACK TO 2008, 182 00:06:07,210 --> 00:06:09,070 WITH THE PROPERTY TAX CAPS THAT 183 00:06:09,070 --> 00:06:11,020 WERE ENSHRINED TWO YEARS LATER 184 00:06:11,020 --> 00:06:12,190 IN THE INDIANA CONSTITUTION 185 00:06:12,190 --> 00:06:14,100 WHICH LIMITS, TO A LARGE EXTENT, 186 00:06:14,100 --> 00:06:16,130 THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE, PROPERTY 187 00:06:16,130 --> 00:06:17,210 TAX REVENUE, THAT LOCAL 188 00:06:17,210 --> 00:06:19,210 GOVERNMENTS CAN HAVE. 189 00:06:19,210 --> 00:06:20,250 THEY'RE ALREADY REELING FROM 190 00:06:20,250 --> 00:06:21,090 THAT. 191 00:06:21,090 --> 00:06:23,030 NOW THIS. 192 00:06:23,030 --> 00:06:24,240 YOU LOOK AT -- I THINK 193 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,060 THEY'RE -- THE FRUSTRATION THAT 194 00:06:26,060 --> 00:06:27,230 MAYORS FEEL GENERALLY IS CUT AT 195 00:06:27,230 --> 00:06:29,030 THE STATE LEVEL, OR AT LEAST 196 00:06:29,030 --> 00:06:31,030 WASH THEIR HANDS OF THE NOTION 197 00:06:31,030 --> 00:06:33,210 OF BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR A TAX, 198 00:06:33,210 --> 00:06:36,120 PUSH IT DOWN THE PIPELINE TO 199 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,000 LOCALS, AND I GUESS IF YOU'RE IN 200 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:39,100 STATE GOVERNMENT, THAT THERE'S 201 00:06:39,100 --> 00:06:41,150 SOME ATTRACTIVENESS TO THAT -- 202 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,000 >> THAT'S WHY THE -- SAY THEY'VE 203 00:06:45,210 --> 00:06:48,210 NEVER SEEN MAYORS UNITED IN -- 204 00:06:48,210 --> 00:06:49,210 >> REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS 205 00:06:49,210 --> 00:06:50,010 ALIKE. 206 00:06:50,010 --> 00:06:51,140 ALSO A FEW OF THE SUGGESTIONS 207 00:06:51,140 --> 00:06:53,140 FOR REPLACEMENT FUNDS HAVE THEIR 208 00:06:53,140 --> 00:06:54,170 OWN AGGAGE. 209 00:06:54,170 --> 00:06:56,190 50% CUT, FOR INSTANCE, IN THE 210 00:06:56,190 --> 00:06:57,290 RESEARCH AND DEVELOPPENT TAX 211 00:06:57,290 --> 00:06:59,080 CREDIT WHICH WE SPEND A LOT OF 212 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:00,250 TIME TALKING ABOUT HOW INDIANA 213 00:07:00,250 --> 00:07:02,160 WANTS TO POSITION ITSELF TO 214 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,160 OTHER COMPANIES, JOB PROVIDERS 215 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:05,130 OUTSIDE THE STATE. 216 00:07:05,130 --> 00:07:06,160 CUTTING YOUR RESEARCH AND 217 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:07,190 DEVELOPMENT TAX MAY NOT BE THE 218 00:07:07,190 --> 00:07:08,130 RIGHT MESSAGE. 219 00:07:08,130 --> 00:07:09,150 >> LET'S GET TO JOHN BECAUSE 220 00:07:09,150 --> 00:07:11,130 YOUR ORGANIZATION, THE INDIANA 221 00:07:11,130 --> 00:07:12,290 FISCAL POLICY INSTITUTE, ISSUED 222 00:07:12,290 --> 00:07:14,190 A REPORT THIS WEEK, AMONG OTHER 223 00:07:14,190 --> 00:07:16,240 THINGS, IT SAID THAT THE 224 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,150 ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BENEFITS OF 225 00:07:18,150 --> 00:07:20,000 ELIMINATING THE BUSINESS 226 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:21,100 PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX ARE NOT 227 00:07:21,100 --> 00:07:23,020 NECESSARILY GREAT. 228 00:07:23,020 --> 00:07:24,120 >> YEAH, I THINK WHAT YOU LOOK 229 00:07:24,210 --> 00:07:27,210 AT, AND I -- I'M -- NOT TO TAKE 230 00:07:27,210 --> 00:07:29,050 EXCEPTION TO DAN BUT I THINK HE 231 00:07:29,050 --> 00:07:31,130 MIGHT HAVE OVERPLAYED IT JUST A 232 00:07:31,130 --> 00:07:31,270 BIT. 233 00:07:31,270 --> 00:07:32,150 >> I'M SUPPOSED TO. 234 00:07:32,150 --> 00:07:33,180 >> AND YOU DID IT WELL. 235 00:07:33,180 --> 00:07:35,270 WE LOOKED AT THE RESEARCH THAT 236 00:07:35,270 --> 00:07:37,090 INDICATES THAT ON A REGIONAL 237 00:07:37,090 --> 00:07:39,030 BASIS, IF YOU'RE GOING FROM ONE 238 00:07:39,030 --> 00:07:41,200 REGION TO ANOTHER, THERE IS NOT 239 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,050 MUCH EFFECT FROM THE BUSINESS 240 00:07:43,050 --> 00:07:44,090 PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX. 241 00:07:44,090 --> 00:07:46,180 IT'S MUCH CLOSER TO HOME THAT 242 00:07:46,180 --> 00:07:48,090 THAT EFFECT IS GREATER. 243 00:07:48,090 --> 00:07:48,200 NOW~-- 244 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:49,110 >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 245 00:07:49,110 --> 00:07:51,150 COMPANIES MOVING FROM ONE -- 246 00:07:51,150 --> 00:07:51,280 >> RIGHT. 247 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,230 >> IF YOU WANT TO MOVE FROM 248 00:07:53,230 --> 00:07:56,140 MINNESOTA OR OHIO TO INDIANA IT 249 00:07:56,140 --> 00:07:57,090 DOESN'T MAKE A HIJACK 250 00:07:57,090 --> 00:07:57,210 DIFFERENCE. 251 00:07:58,140 --> 00:08:01,160 >> I WOULDN'T GO THAT FAR, MIKE. 252 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,010 >> THE RESEARCH DOESN'T SUGGESTS 253 00:08:03,010 --> 00:08:04,220 THAT THERE'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE 254 00:08:04,220 --> 00:08:06,190 AT ALL. 255 00:08:06,190 --> 00:08:07,190 RESEARCH SUGGESTS WHEN YOU COME 256 00:08:07,190 --> 00:08:10,010 FROM ONE STATE OR RUN REGION TO 257 00:08:10,010 --> 00:08:11,200 ANOTHERRING IT PLAY A BIGGER 258 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:11,290 ROLE. 259 00:08:11,290 --> 00:08:13,040 IT'S A BIGGER ROLE WHEN YOU'RE 260 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:14,100 CLOSE WITHIN THAT REGION. 261 00:08:14,100 --> 00:08:15,220 OHIO TO INDIANA OR FROM COUNTY 262 00:08:15,220 --> 00:08:16,100 TO COUNTY. 263 00:08:16,100 --> 00:08:17,190 AND THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE TO BE 264 00:08:17,190 --> 00:08:19,190 CAREFUL WITH THIS CONOMIC 265 00:08:19,190 --> 00:08:22,070 IMPACT BBCAUSE IT'S NOT 266 00:08:22,070 --> 00:08:22,190 CONCLUSIVE. 267 00:08:22,190 --> 00:08:24,120 AND IT'S PROBABLY NOT AS GREAT 268 00:08:25,190 --> 00:08:28,190 AS IT'S BEEN EXPRESSED SO FAR. 269 00:08:28,190 --> 00:08:30,160 >> AND IT SAID IT'S A TALL 270 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:30,260 ORDER. 271 00:08:30,260 --> 00:08:31,160 >> WELL, THIS IS VERY 272 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:32,160 COMPLICATED AS WE CAN SEE FROM 273 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:33,240 THE DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD SO FAR 274 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,030 AND THE CAPS HAVE REALLY MADE IT 275 00:08:36,030 --> 00:08:37,090 DIFFICULT BECAUSE -- 276 00:08:37,090 --> 00:08:38,070 >> THE PROPERTY TAX CAPS. 277 00:08:38,070 --> 00:08:38,200 >> RIGHT. 278 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,000 THIS IS THE LAST OF FIVE 279 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:41,030 PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES THAT 280 00:08:41,030 --> 00:08:43,150 INDIANA USED TO HAVE. 281 00:08:43,150 --> 00:08:45,090 40 YEARS AGO WE STARTED 282 00:08:45,090 --> 00:08:46,210 ELIMINATING THESE, THE LAST ONE 283 00:08:46,210 --> 00:08:48,250 WE ELIMINATED WAS THE INVENTORY 284 00:08:48,250 --> 00:08:49,030 TAX. 285 00:08:49,030 --> 00:08:51,150 WE DIDN'T HAVE CAMS AT THAT TIME 286 00:08:51,150 --> 00:08:52,240 ON PROPERTY TAX SO IT WAS EASIER 287 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,000 TO FIND REPLACEMENT REVENUE. 288 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:55,140 NOW YOU HAVE THE TAX, NOW IT'S 289 00:08:55,140 --> 00:08:57,180 HARDER TO FIND AND IT'S A MUCH 290 00:08:57,180 --> 00:08:58,260 MORE COMPLICATED DISCUSSION THIS 291 00:08:58,260 --> 00:08:59,260 TIME AROUND. 292 00:09:01,020 --> 00:09:04,020 >> LET'S MOVE ON. 293 00:09:04,020 --> 00:09:04,290 THE MASS TRANSIT BILL HAS PASSED 294 00:09:04,290 --> 00:09:05,220 THE STATE SENATE FOR THE FIRST 295 00:09:05,220 --> 00:09:08,010 TIME. 296 00:09:08,010 --> 00:09:08,210 THE VOTE WAS 28-20 FOR THE BILL 297 00:09:08,210 --> 00:09:09,120 THAT CALLS FOR REFERENDUMS IN 298 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:10,040 SIX COUNTIES ON HIGHER TAXES TO 299 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:10,230 FUND A BETTER BUS SYSTEM. 300 00:09:10,230 --> 00:09:11,150 THE BILL PROHIBITS THE CREATION 301 00:09:11,150 --> 00:09:13,230 OF LIGHT RAIL LINES. 302 00:09:13,230 --> 00:09:15,110 IT COULD LEAD TO HIGHER 303 00:09:15,110 --> 00:09:17,100 CORPORATE TAXES AND HIGHER LOCAL 304 00:09:17,100 --> 00:09:19,050 INCOME TAXES WITH BUS RIDERS 305 00:09:19,050 --> 00:09:19,280 PICKING UP 5% OF THE COST OF 306 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:20,280 IMPROVEMENTS. 307 00:09:22,220 --> 00:09:25,220 SENATOR PAT MILLER. 308 00:09:25,220 --> 00:09:27,020 >> THIS IS THE CAPITAL CITY AND 309 00:09:27,020 --> 00:09:27,230 OUR TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM IS 310 00:09:27,230 --> 00:09:29,190 INADEQUATE. 311 00:09:29,190 --> 00:09:32,000 IT'S INADEQUATE FOR RESIDENTS OF 312 00:09:32,150 --> 00:09:35,150 MARION COUNTY, IT'S INADEQUATE 313 00:09:35,150 --> 00:09:36,160 FOR SURROUNDING COUNTIES AND 314 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:37,130 IT'S CERTAINLY INADEQUATE FOR 315 00:09:37,130 --> 00:09:38,050 THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO COME TO 316 00:09:38,050 --> 00:09:39,280 VISIT THIS CITY. 317 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:40,190 >> THIS IS AN ECONOMIC JUSTICE 318 00:09:40,190 --> 00:09:41,130 ISSUE. 319 00:09:41,130 --> 00:09:42,050 IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY ISSUE FOR 320 00:09:42,050 --> 00:09:44,110 FAMILIES. 321 00:09:44,110 --> 00:09:45,140 IF THEY CAN'T GET TO WORK ON 322 00:09:45,140 --> 00:09:46,090 TIME, AND I CAN TELL YOU AS 323 00:09:46,090 --> 00:09:47,170 RIDER, IT CAN BE REALLY 324 00:09:47,170 --> 00:09:48,230 DIFFIIULT, IF YOU MISS YOUR OOE 325 00:09:49,270 --> 00:09:52,270 BUS, YOU CAN BE LATE TO WORK. 326 00:09:52,270 --> 00:09:55,260 >> BUS RIDER KEN MITCHELL THERE, 327 00:09:57,170 --> 00:10:00,170 MIC McDANIEL, BRIAN BOSMA SAID 328 00:10:00,170 --> 00:10:02,030 HE DOESN'T LIKE THE 329 00:10:02,030 --> 00:10:04,030 FUNDING METHODS. 330 00:10:04,030 --> 00:10:05,200 >> HE'S NOT "THE LONE RANGER" ON 331 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,260 THAT ONE, OTHER PEOPLE HAVE 332 00:10:07,260 --> 00:10:10,000 PROBLEMS WITH THE FUNDING. 333 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:11,060 SENATOR MILLER IS ABSOLUTELY 334 00:10:11,060 --> 00:10:12,210 RIGHT, CENTRAL INDIANA IS GOING 335 00:10:12,210 --> 00:10:14,230 TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF 336 00:10:14,230 --> 00:10:15,280 MASS TRANSIT PLAN EVENTUALLY AND 337 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,160 THIS IS A GOOD FIRST START, IF 338 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,020 WE CAN GET ANYTHING OUT OF THE 339 00:10:19,020 --> 00:10:20,050 SENATE MOVING TOWARDS THE HOUSE, 340 00:10:20,050 --> 00:10:22,240 THAT'S A GOOD FIRST START ON 341 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:23,040 THIS -- 342 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:24,290 >> THE BILL DID PASSSTHE HOUSE 343 00:10:24,290 --> 00:10:26,060 LAST YEAR AND DIED IN THE 344 00:10:26,060 --> 00:10:26,170 SENATE. 345 00:10:26,170 --> 00:10:27,230 >> DIED IN THE OTHER DIRECTION. 346 00:10:27,230 --> 00:10:29,020 SO THERE'S HOPE WE'RE GOING TO 347 00:10:29,020 --> 00:10:30,260 GET SOMETHING DONE WITH WITH 348 00:10:30,260 --> 00:10:32,110 THIS THIS TIME AROUND BUT THE 349 00:10:32,110 --> 00:10:33,140 FUNDING MECHANISM IS 350 00:10:33,140 --> 00:10:35,080 PROBLEMATIC, I LOOK FOR IT TO 351 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:36,140 TWEAK IN THE HOUSE AND I LOOK 352 00:10:36,140 --> 00:10:37,290 FOR SOMETHING TO PASS THAT WOULD 353 00:10:37,290 --> 00:10:38,230 GIVE THESE COUNTRIES THE 354 00:10:38,230 --> 00:10:39,290 REFERENDUM TO MOVE FORWARD ON 355 00:10:39,290 --> 00:10:41,280 MASS TRANSIT. 356 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,110 >> YEAH, PAT KELLY AT THE 357 00:10:43,110 --> 00:10:44,270 INDIANA MANUFACTURERS 358 00:10:44,270 --> 00:10:46,250 ASSOCIATION AMONG THOSE SAYIIG 359 00:10:46,250 --> 00:10:48,160 THE CORPORATE TAX PORTION OF 360 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,190 THIS THING ISSUNFAIR. 361 00:10:50,190 --> 00:10:51,130 >> WELL, THE BIGGEST PROBLEM 362 00:10:51,130 --> 00:10:52,280 WITH THIS AND MIKE JUST TOUCHED 363 00:10:54,190 --> 00:10:57,190 ON IT IS THIS GOT STALLED LAST 364 00:10:57,190 --> 00:11:00,060 YEAR, I'M GLAD SENATOR MILLER IS 365 00:11:00,060 --> 00:11:02,210 A CONVERT, I'M GLAD WE DID THE 366 00:11:02,210 --> 00:11:04,230 STUDY TO FIND OUT HOW IMPORTANT 367 00:11:04,230 --> 00:11:07,040 THIS WAS TO FIND OUT WE NEEDED 368 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,180 TO DO THAT THIS YEAR. 369 00:11:09,180 --> 00:11:11,180 I THINK IT'S ALL MICROMANAGEMENT 370 00:11:11,180 --> 00:11:14,150 OF LOCAL ISSUES AT THE STATE 371 00:11:14,150 --> 00:11:14,240 LEVEL. 372 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,200 IF ANYTHING, THESE LAST TWO 373 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,090 ISSUES SHOULD TELL US THAT THE 374 00:11:18,090 --> 00:11:19,260 STATE LEGISLATURE SHOULD GET OUT 375 00:11:19,260 --> 00:11:21,230 OF THE WAY OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT 376 00:11:21,230 --> 00:11:23,290 AND LET LOCAL GOVERNMENT RULE AT 377 00:11:23,290 --> 00:11:25,070 THE LOCAL LEVEL AND GET OUT OF 378 00:11:25,070 --> 00:11:25,270 THE WAY. 379 00:11:25,270 --> 00:11:27,260 I MEAN, THE FACT THAT THEY'RE 380 00:11:27,260 --> 00:11:29,140 DICTATING NO LIGHT RAIL HERE, 381 00:11:29,140 --> 00:11:32,140 GOT TO DO THIS, YOU GOT TO DO 382 00:11:32,140 --> 00:11:33,110 THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT, PUT IT TO 383 00:11:33,110 --> 00:11:34,200 THE PEOPLE FIRST, LET'S SEE IF 384 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,110 THEY WANT IT AND THEN WE CAN 385 00:11:36,110 --> 00:11:38,080 FIGURE IT OUT. 386 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:39,080 BUT I THINK INDIANAPOLIS AND THE 387 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:40,120 SURROUNDING REGION CAN FIGURE 388 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:41,290 THAT OUT ON ITS OWN AND IT 389 00:11:41,290 --> 00:11:43,170 DOESN'T NEED THE LEGISLATURE 390 00:11:43,170 --> 00:11:46,160 TELLING IT WHAT TO DO. 391 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,140 >> YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE STATE 392 00:11:48,140 --> 00:11:50,050 LEGISLATION TO -- DAN, YOU'VE 393 00:11:50,050 --> 00:11:51,010 GOT TO HAVE STATE LEGISLATION TO 394 00:11:51,010 --> 00:11:52,120 ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN IN THE FIRST 395 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:52,220 PLACE. 396 00:11:52,220 --> 00:11:53,160 >> YOU NEED TO HHVE STATE 397 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:54,230 LEGISLATIOO BECAUSE IT'S CALLING 398 00:11:54,230 --> 00:11:56,170 FOR A TAX INCREASE. 399 00:11:56,170 --> 00:11:57,000 >> RIGHT. 400 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:58,190 >> HOW IRONIC IS IT HERE ON THE 401 00:11:58,190 --> 00:12:00,060 ONE HAND YOU'VE GOT THE GOVERNOR 402 00:12:00,060 --> 00:12:01,180 TALKING ABOUT TAX CUTS AND HERE 403 00:12:01,180 --> 00:12:03,190 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TAX 404 00:12:03,190 --> 00:12:04,010 INCREASES. 405 00:12:04,010 --> 00:12:05,030 >> WELL, I THINK THE DIFFERENCE 406 00:12:05,030 --> 00:12:06,120 IS, IS THAT IN THIS CASE YOU'RE 407 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,120 TALKING ABOUT A TAX INCREASE FOR 408 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:10,180 A VERY SPECIFIC PURPOSE AND THE 409 00:12:10,180 --> 00:12:13,150 IDEA IS THAT THE PUBLIC WILL 410 00:12:13,150 --> 00:12:15,000 WANT THIS AND ENDORSE IT, WE'LL 411 00:12:15,180 --> 00:12:18,180 HAVE TO SEE BECAUSE A REFERENDUM 412 00:12:18,180 --> 00:12:20,070 WILL BE INVOLVED. 413 00:12:20,070 --> 00:12:21,210 I NEED IT GOES TO THE POINT THAT 414 00:12:21,210 --> 00:12:23,120 DAN WAS MAKING AND THAT IS WHERE 415 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,110 DOES IT END WHERE YOU GET THE 416 00:12:26,110 --> 00:12:27,230 ENABLING LEGISLATION FROM THE 417 00:12:27,230 --> 00:12:29,020 LEGISLATURE AND THE LOCALS ARE 418 00:12:29,020 --> 00:12:30,170 ALLOWED TO MANAGE THAT, WHEN 419 00:12:30,170 --> 00:12:31,200 THHRE ARE STIPULATIONS PLACED IN 420 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:32,200 THE LEGISLATION BY THE GENERAL 421 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:33,260 ASSEMBLY, IT NOT ONLY MAKES IT 422 00:12:33,260 --> 00:12:34,290 DIFFICULT FOR THE LOCALS TO 423 00:12:35,230 --> 00:12:38,230 MANAGE IT, IT MAKES IT ALMOST 424 00:12:38,230 --> 00:12:41,050 IMPOSSIBLE T TO GET THE 425 00:12:41,050 --> 00:12:42,110 LEGISLATION PASSED. 426 00:12:42,140 --> 00:12:45,140 LAST TWO SESSIONS WITH MASS 427 00:12:45,140 --> 00:12:47,080 TRANSIT MANY OTHER ISSUES, THE 428 00:12:47,260 --> 00:12:50,260 QUESTION WITH HOME RULE. 429 00:12:50,260 --> 00:12:51,260 >> TEA PARTY SPEAKING OUT 430 00:12:51,260 --> 00:12:53,050 AGAINST THIS, THEY SAY THEY 431 00:12:53,050 --> 00:12:55,140 DON'T WANT TO SEE ANY TAX 432 00:12:55,140 --> 00:12:57,160 INCREASES FOR TRANSIT PURPOSES. 433 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:58,200 DOES THAT HAVE A BEARING ON WHAT 434 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,100 GOES ON INSIDE THE STATEHOUSE? 435 00:13:00,100 --> 00:13:02,210 >> IT HAS A BEARING, YES. 436 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,000 BUT IS IT A DETERMINANT? 437 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:06,190 PROBABLY NOT. 438 00:13:07,030 --> 00:13:10,030 THIS IS AN ISSUE, WE TALK ABOUT 439 00:13:10,030 --> 00:13:12,060 IT BEING TWO SESSION -- NOW TWO 440 00:13:12,060 --> 00:13:13,230 SESSIONS THIS HAS BEEN AN ISSUE. 441 00:13:13,230 --> 00:13:15,060 ACTUALLY, YOU THINK ABOUT HOW 442 00:13:15,060 --> 00:13:16,210 THIS HAS BEEN STUDIED AND 443 00:13:16,210 --> 00:13:18,090 DEVISED AND PLANNED YOU COULD 444 00:13:18,090 --> 00:13:20,180 MAYBE GO BACK A DECADE AT LEAST. 445 00:13:20,180 --> 00:13:21,160 >> FOR TRANSIT, YEAH. 446 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:24,000 >> AND THE PLAN HAS MORPHED, 447 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,000 IT'S BEEN REDUCED IN ITS SCOPE, 448 00:13:26,210 --> 00:13:29,210 IT'S BEEN ALTERED, THE WHOLE 449 00:13:29,210 --> 00:13:31,080 NOTION OF HOME GOVERNANCE AND 450 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:32,240 LETTING PEOPLE PAY FOR THEIR OWN 451 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:34,110 TRANSPORTATION THANKS SORT OF A 452 00:13:34,110 --> 00:13:36,010 COMPROMISE AT SOME POINT IN THIS 453 00:13:36,010 --> 00:13:36,210 CONTINUUM. 454 00:13:36,210 --> 00:13:39,020 SOMETTING'S GOT TO GIVE. 455 00:13:39,020 --> 00:13:40,030 I MEAN, AS LONG AS GOVERNMENN IS 456 00:13:41,110 --> 00:13:44,110 EXPECTED TO PROVIDE CERTAIN 457 00:13:44,110 --> 00:13:45,250 SERVICES, THE MONEY'S GOT TO 458 00:13:45,250 --> 00:13:47,260 COME FROM WHERE AND BILL GATES 459 00:13:47,260 --> 00:13:50,260 PROBABLY ISN'T INCLINED TO -- 460 00:13:50,260 --> 00:13:52,200 >> THE MOMENT IT'S AN ANTILABOR 461 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:53,230 PROVISIONS IN THIS THAT 462 00:13:53,230 --> 00:13:56,110 DEMOCRATS ARE OPPOSED TO SO 463 00:13:56,110 --> 00:13:57,200 DEMOCRATS VOTED FOR IT TO KEEP 464 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:58,050 IT ALIVE. 465 00:13:59,020 --> 00:14:02,040 >> THAT'S A PROBLEM, TOO, MIKE 466 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:03,150 MENTIONED SOME PROBLEMS, YOU 467 00:14:03,150 --> 00:14:05,060 MENTIONED THE TEA PARTY. 468 00:14:05,060 --> 00:14:07,180 I WOULD SAY THE FRIDAY NOON 469 00:14:07,180 --> 00:14:09,000 DEADLINE FOR FILING AND NOT A 470 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,250 LOT OF PRIMARIES FREEZE A LOT OF 471 00:14:11,250 --> 00:14:13,130 PEOPLE TO FREE UP THAT THEY 472 00:14:13,130 --> 00:14:15,250 DON'T HAVE TO VOTE FOR THE TEA 473 00:14:15,250 --> 00:14:16,040 PARTY. 474 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:16,260 >> YOU THINK LEGISLATION IS 475 00:14:16,260 --> 00:14:18,060 GOING TO MOVE FOR QUICKLY 476 00:14:18,060 --> 00:14:20,000 BECAUSE -- AT NOON TODAY WAS THE 477 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:21,090 FILING DEADLINE AND THERE DON'T 478 00:14:21,090 --> 00:14:23,210 APPEAR TO BE ANY MEANINGFUL 479 00:14:23,210 --> 00:14:24,210 PRIMARIES ON EITHER SIDE. 480 00:14:24,210 --> 00:14:26,030 >> DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT. 481 00:14:26,030 --> 00:14:27,280 MIKE CAN SPEAK TO HIS SIDE A 482 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,240 LITTLE BIT MORE. 483 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,190 >> I CONCUR. 484 00:14:32,190 --> 00:14:33,010 [LAUGHTER] 485 00:14:33,010 --> 00:14:33,280 >> MORE SMOOTHLY? 486 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,060 >> NO, I CONCUR THAT THERE 487 00:14:36,060 --> 00:14:37,230 REALLY AREN'T TOO MANY 488 00:14:37,230 --> 00:14:39,120 MEANINGFUL PRIMARIES 489 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:40,060 >> TIME NOW FOR VIEWER FEEDBACK. 490 00:14:40,060 --> 00:14:40,230 EACH WEEK WE POSE AN 491 00:14:40,230 --> 00:14:41,120 UNSCIENTIFIC, ONLLNEEPOLL 492 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:42,060 QUESTION IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR 493 00:14:42,060 --> 00:14:42,250 ICEMILLER E-MAIL AND TEXT 494 00:14:42,250 --> 00:14:44,020 ALERTS. 495 00:14:44,020 --> 00:14:45,170 THIS WEEK'S QUESTION IS: 496 00:14:45,170 --> 00:14:47,140 ARE YOU WILLING TO PAY HIGHER 497 00:14:47,290 --> 00:14:50,290 -TAXES FOR A BETTER BUS SYSTEM? 498 00:14:50,290 --> 00:14:52,180 YOUR CHOICES ARE -- 499 00:14:52,180 --> 00:14:53,030 A. YES. 500 00:14:53,030 --> 00:14:53,210 B. NO. 501 00:14:53,210 --> 00:14:54,100 LAST WEEK'S QUESTION WAS: 502 00:14:56,230 --> 00:14:59,230 SHOULD CIVIL UNIONS BE LEGAL? 503 00:15:02,010 --> 00:15:05,010 92% SAID YES, 8% SAID NO. 504 00:15:05,010 --> 00:15:05,230 IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TAKE PART 505 00:15:05,230 --> 00:15:06,150 IN THE POLL, GO TO WFYI.ORG/IWIR 506 00:15:06,150 --> 00:15:08,020 AND LOOK FOR THE POLL. 507 00:15:08,020 --> 00:15:08,240 >> STATE LAWMAKERS TOOK ACTION 508 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:09,150 THIS WEEK TO LIMIT THE ABILITY 509 00:15:09,150 --> 00:15:10,060 OF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS TO 510 00:15:10,060 --> 00:15:10,270 DO VIDEO SURVEILLANCE USING A 511 00:15:10,270 --> 00:15:12,280 DRONE. 512 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:13,220 THE ONE-SIDED VOTE IN THE HOUSE 513 00:15:13,220 --> 00:15:16,090 OF REPRESENTATIVES WAS 85-11 FOR 514 00:15:16,090 --> 00:15:17,220 A BILL THAT WOULD REQUIRE A 515 00:15:17,220 --> 00:15:19,050 SEARCH WARRANT FOR THE USE OF A 516 00:15:19,050 --> 00:15:20,080 DRONE-MOUNTED CAMERA OVER 517 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:21,260 PRIVATE PROPERTY. 518 00:15:21,260 --> 00:15:22,160 THERE WAS SOME CONTROVERSY, 519 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:23,240 HOWEVER. 520 00:15:23,270 --> 00:15:26,270 HERE'S REPRESENTATIVE MATT 521 00:15:26,270 --> 00:15:29,180 >> THE STATE SHOULD NOT BE 522 00:15:29,180 --> 00:15:31,200 ATTEMPTING TO GET INTO YOUR 523 00:15:35,050 --> 00:15:38,050 PRIVATE BUSINESS AND SEE THINGS 524 00:15:38,050 --> 00:15:38,260 YOU'RE DOING, KIND OF RESPECT 525 00:15:38,260 --> 00:15:39,170 YOUR RIGHT TO PRIVACY, UNLESS 526 00:15:39,170 --> 00:15:40,100 THEY HAVE SOME CAUSE TO BELIEVE 527 00:15:40,100 --> 00:15:41,020 THAT YOU'RE ENGAGING CRIMINAL 528 00:15:41,020 --> 00:15:42,150 ACTIVITY. 529 00:15:42,150 --> 00:15:43,060 >> I AM NOT INTERESTED IN, IN 530 00:15:43,060 --> 00:15:45,120 ADVANCE, LIMITING THE 531 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:46,040 EFFECTIVENESS OF LAW 532 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,090 ENFORCEMENT. 533 00:15:48,090 --> 00:15:48,280 I'M SORRY, I THINK THAT'S 534 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:49,190 SOMETHING WE SHOULD NOT ENGAGE 535 00:15:50,210 --> 00:15:53,210 IN. 536 00:15:53,210 --> 00:15:55,270 >> STATE REPRESENTATIVE ED 537 00:15:55,270 --> 00:15:57,110 DELANEY THERE. 538 00:15:57,110 --> 00:15:58,010 JOHN KETZENBERGER, ARE YOU 539 00:15:58,010 --> 00:15:58,180 WORRIED ABOUT THE COPS 540 00:15:58,180 --> 00:16:00,080 VIDEOTAPING IN YOUR BACKYARD? 541 00:16:00,090 --> 00:16:03,090 [LAUGHTER] 542 00:16:03,090 --> 00:16:05,010 >> LET ME CALL MY WIFE AND HAVE 543 00:16:05,010 --> 00:16:07,230 HER COVER UP ALL THE BUSHES. 544 00:16:07,230 --> 00:16:08,040 [LAUGHTER] 545 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,250 >> NO, ACTUALLY, I'M NOT. 546 00:16:10,250 --> 00:16:12,070 BECAUSE I -- THERE ARE A LOT OF 547 00:16:12,070 --> 00:16:14,040 THINGS THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN 548 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:15,240 BEFORE WE GET TO THIS POINT. 549 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:17,090 I SEE WHAT THE LEGISLATURE'S 550 00:16:17,090 --> 00:16:18,130 TRYING TO DO, I UNDERSTAND WHAT 551 00:16:18,130 --> 00:16:20,010 THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY BUT I 552 00:16:20,010 --> 00:16:21,060 THINK REPRESENTATIVE PIERCE 553 00:16:21,130 --> 00:16:24,130 RAISES A GOOD CIVIL LIBERTIES 554 00:16:24,130 --> 00:16:26,000 QUESTION, BUT I THINK A LOT OF 555 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:27,000 THAT'S GOING TO BE ANSWERED BY 556 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:28,180 THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT INSTEAD 557 00:16:28,180 --> 00:16:30,080 OF THE STATE GOVERNMENT. 558 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:31,270 AND I THINK REPRESENTATIVE 559 00:16:31,270 --> 00:16:33,210 DELANEY TALKING ABOUT THE 560 00:16:33,210 --> 00:16:34,240 EFFECTIVE --ING TRYING NOT TO 561 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:36,030 SHUT DOWN LAW ENFORCEMENT BEFORE 562 00:16:36,030 --> 00:16:38,060 YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE WORKING 563 00:16:38,060 --> 00:16:38,250 AGAIN, AGAIN, THE FEDERAL 564 00:16:38,250 --> 00:16:39,160 GOVERNMENT'S GOING TO DICK 565 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,220 TAUGHT A LOT OF THESE THINGS, I 566 00:16:41,220 --> 00:16:42,150 THINK. 567 00:16:42,150 --> 00:16:43,150 >> THIS BILL DEALS WITH OTHER 568 00:16:43,150 --> 00:16:46,090 FORRS OF WHAT THEY CALL DIGITAL 569 00:16:46,090 --> 00:16:47,260 SURVEILLANCE, GPS TRACKERS, CELL 570 00:16:47,260 --> 00:16:49,130 PHONE TRACKERS. 571 00:16:49,130 --> 00:16:51,150 IT'S TOUGH TO KEEP UP WITH 572 00:16:51,150 --> 00:16:53,250 TECHNOLOGY AND -- AND MATCH IT 573 00:16:53,250 --> 00:16:56,080 TO THE LAW. 574 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,110 >> NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT, JIM. 575 00:16:58,170 --> 00:17:01,190 THESE ARE ISSUES THAT NEVER MIND 576 00:17:01,190 --> 00:17:04,100 THE FOUNDING FATHERS OF INDIANA, 577 00:17:04,100 --> 00:17:05,250 THESE ARE ISSUES THAT WOULD HAVE 578 00:17:05,250 --> 00:17:07,160 BEEN UNTHINKABLE WHEN WE FIRST 579 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,220 SHOWED UP AT THE STATEHOUSE A 580 00:17:09,220 --> 00:17:10,230 COUPLE DECADES AGO. 581 00:17:10,230 --> 00:17:12,160 AND YOU'RE RIGHT, THIS IS YET 582 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:13,130 ANOTHER INSTANCE WHERE THE LAW 583 00:17:13,130 --> 00:17:15,290 IS STRUGGLING MIGHTILY TO KEEP 584 00:17:15,290 --> 00:17:16,250 UP. 585 00:17:18,100 --> 00:17:21,100 BUT EVEN IF YOU PROHIBIT DRONES, 586 00:17:21,100 --> 00:17:22,100 UNMANNED AIRCRAFT FROM GETTING 587 00:17:22,100 --> 00:17:24,280 THESE IMAGES, I PRESUME THERE'S 588 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:26,040 NOTHHNG THAT WOULD PREVENT, SAY, 589 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:27,120 A POLICE HELICOPTER FROM GETTING 590 00:17:27,120 --> 00:17:29,160 THE EXACT SAME IMAGES, THE ONLY 591 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:30,270 DIFFERENCE BEING IT'S A LITTLE 592 00:17:30,270 --> 00:17:33,020 BIGGER AND THERE'S SOMEBODY 593 00:17:33,020 --> 00:17:34,180 FLYING IT AND IF YOU REALLY WANT 594 00:17:34,180 --> 00:17:37,100 TO CARRY THIS FURTHER, I'M NO 595 00:17:37,100 --> 00:17:38,240 EXPERT ON SATELLITE TECHNOLOGY 596 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,060 BUT, YOU KNOW, IF -- I THINK YOU 597 00:17:40,060 --> 00:17:43,060 CAN GET A PHOTOGRAPH NOW FROM 598 00:17:43,060 --> 00:17:44,120 SPACE WHICH WOULD SHOW SOMEBODY 599 00:17:44,120 --> 00:17:45,180 HAS A HANGNAIL. 600 00:17:45,180 --> 00:17:46,280 SO THERE'S REALLY -- I MEAN, 601 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:48,250 WHERE DO YOU DRAW THE LINE? 602 00:17:49,060 --> 00:17:52,060 DO YOU PUT A BUBBLE OVER -- I 603 00:17:52,060 --> 00:17:54,270 DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING INTO 604 00:17:54,270 --> 00:17:56,130 JOHN'S BACKYARD, FOR EXAMPLE -- 605 00:17:56,130 --> 00:17:57,080 >> I THINK YOU'RE SUGGESTING 606 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:58,090 THAT MAYBE LAWMAKERS SHOULD 607 00:17:58,120 --> 00:18:01,140 WORRY ABOUT OTHER THINGS. 608 00:18:01,140 --> 00:18:02,230 >> IT'S MORE COMPLICATED THAN 609 00:18:02,230 --> 00:18:03,260 JUST THE DRONE ISSUE. 610 00:18:04,010 --> 00:18:07,010 >> THE VOTE WAS 85-11, OK? 611 00:18:07,010 --> 00:18:09,190 YOU PICK TWO PEOPLE ON THE VIDEO 612 00:18:09,190 --> 00:18:11,260 THAT WERE AGAINST IT. 613 00:18:11,260 --> 00:18:12,250 >> NO, NO. 614 00:18:12,250 --> 00:18:13,220 HE'S FOR IT. 615 00:18:13,220 --> 00:18:16,160 HE'S FOR IT. 616 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,250 >> IT BROUGHT ERIC COOK AND MATT 617 00:18:18,250 --> 00:18:20,170 PIERCE TOGETHER. 618 00:18:20,170 --> 00:18:21,080 >> TOGETHER. 619 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:21,200 >> OK? 620 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:22,160 OPPOSITE ENDS OF THE SPECTRUM. 621 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,130 DO WE AGREE? 622 00:18:24,130 --> 00:18:25,130 >> 85-11 ON THIS VOTE. 623 00:18:25,130 --> 00:18:27,010 AND WHAT THEY'RE WORRIEE ABOUT 624 00:18:27,010 --> 00:18:28,140 HERE IS THE FUTURE OF WHETHER OR 625 00:18:28,140 --> 00:18:30,100 NOT YOU OUGHT TO HAVE A SEARCH 626 00:18:30,100 --> 00:18:31,170 WARRANT TO COME TO YOUR 627 00:18:31,170 --> 00:18:31,280 PROPERTY. 628 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,160 AND THIS IS ANOTHER FORM, LIKE 629 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,010 YOU SAID, THAT MODERN TECHNOLOGY 630 00:18:35,010 --> 00:18:36,040 THAT'S INVOLVED HERE IS 631 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:37,170 SOMETHING THAT'S NEW TO 632 00:18:37,170 --> 00:18:37,290 EVERYBODY. 633 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:41,000 WE'VE SEEN WHAT THESE DRONES CAN 634 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:42,280 DO IN BATTLE SITUATIONS OVERSEAS 635 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,040 AND PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED THAT 636 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:45,240 YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A SITUATION 637 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,150 WHERE IT CAN BE USED ILLEGALLY 638 00:18:47,150 --> 00:18:49,040 TO SEARCH YOUR PROPERTY. 639 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,000 AND THAT'S A SERIOUS 640 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,000 CONVERSATION TO HAVE. 641 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,270 IT'S NOTHING TRIVIAL ABOUT THAT. 642 00:18:55,270 --> 00:18:56,210 >> THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS 643 00:18:56,210 --> 00:18:58,150 ALREADY HAVE THEM. 644 00:18:58,150 --> 00:19:00,210 GREENFIELD USES ONE FOR ACCIDENT 645 00:19:00,210 --> 00:19:01,040 INVESTIGATION. 646 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,020 >> I TALKED TO MATT PIERCE ABOUT 647 00:19:03,020 --> 00:19:04,080 THIS, I MEEN, THE AUTHORS OF THE 648 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,030 BILL DID THIS IN CONSULTATION 649 00:19:06,030 --> 00:19:07,050 WITH THE STATE POLICE AND OTHER 650 00:19:07,050 --> 00:19:09,270 POLICE AGENCIES, AND IT DEALS -- 651 00:19:09,270 --> 00:19:12,040 >> A LOT MORE -- AND A LOT MORE 652 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:13,100 THAN JUST DRONES. 653 00:19:13,100 --> 00:19:14,220 AND IT'S A POLICY THAT NEEDS TO 654 00:19:14,220 --> 00:19:16,010 BE PUT IN PLACE. 655 00:19:16,010 --> 00:19:18,070 AAD THERR'S JUDICIAL OVERSIGHT. 656 00:19:18,070 --> 00:19:20,070 SO I'M, YOU KNOW, PUT ONE DOWN 657 00:19:20,070 --> 00:19:22,100 FOR WHERE MIKE AND I AGREE AND 658 00:19:22,100 --> 00:19:23,280 YOU GUYS ARE OFF -- I DON'T KNOW 659 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:24,290 WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. 660 00:19:25,070 --> 00:19:28,070 [LAUGHTER] 661 00:19:28,070 --> 00:19:30,280 >> I'M NOT UNSYMPATHETIC. 662 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:31,280 >> TRY TO MAKE THE STATEMENT 663 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,160 THAT THIS IS A TRIVIAL 664 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:35,120 DISCUSSION IS JUST WRONG. 665 00:19:35,120 --> 00:19:36,130 >> I WOULD SAY THAT THE SENATE 666 00:19:36,130 --> 00:19:38,290 BILL IS A LITTLE BIT MORE 667 00:19:38,290 --> 00:19:39,100 TRIVIAL. 668 00:19:39,100 --> 00:19:40,130 THIS IS A SERIOUS DISCUSSION 669 00:19:40,130 --> 00:19:41,270 ABOUT WHERE THE POLICY NEEDS TO 670 00:19:41,270 --> 00:19:44,110 GO FORWARD WITH ELECTRONIC 671 00:19:44,110 --> 00:19:44,240 SURVEILLANCE. 672 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:45,150 >> I'M SYMPATHETIC TO THE 673 00:19:45,150 --> 00:19:47,050 AUTHORS OF THE BILL, I BELIEVE 674 00:19:47,050 --> 00:19:48,160 THERE SHOULD BE PRIVACY. 675 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,030 I'M JUST POINTING OUT THAT THERE 676 00:19:50,030 --> 00:19:52,150 ARE PRACTICALITIES HERE THAT 677 00:19:52,150 --> 00:19:53,210 MAKE SOME OF THIS MOOT. 678 00:19:53,210 --> 00:19:55,270 IF IT'S MANNED AIRCRAFT, IF IT'S 679 00:19:55,270 --> 00:19:57,270 OTHER TECHNOLOGY, I'M JUST -- 680 00:19:57,270 --> 00:20:00,030 THERE'S A PRINCIPLE, AND THEN 681 00:20:00,030 --> 00:20:01,130 THE APPROACH I THINK IS A GOOD 682 00:20:01,130 --> 00:20:01,210 ONE. 683 00:20:02,270 --> 00:20:05,270 >> A DRONE WITH A HIGH DEF 684 00:20:05,270 --> 00:20:07,090 CAMERA AT 200 FEET OVER YOUR 685 00:20:07,090 --> 00:20:08,210 PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE 686 00:20:08,210 --> 00:20:09,270 INCREDIBLY USEFUL FOR FIGURING 687 00:20:09,270 --> 00:20:10,240 OUT WHAT'S GOING ON. 688 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,120 I DO THINK THERE'S A SERIOUS 689 00:20:12,120 --> 00:20:13,210 POLICY QUESTION HERE BUT I DO 690 00:20:13,210 --> 00:20:14,240 THINK ALSO THE FEDERAL 691 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,150 GOVERNMENT HAS TO FIGURE OUT HOW 692 00:20:16,150 --> 00:20:18,060 TO REGULATE THESE DRONES FIRST 693 00:20:18,060 --> 00:20:19,030 AND THE LAW ENFORCEMENT'S GOING 694 00:20:19,030 --> 00:20:20,240 TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THOSE 695 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:21,060 REGULATIONS. 696 00:20:21,060 --> 00:20:22,140 IT'S NOT LIKE YOU CAN START 697 00:20:22,140 --> 00:20:23,110 POPPING THESE THINGS IN THE AIR 698 00:20:23,110 --> 00:20:24,180 AND NOT WORRY ABOUT WHAT'S GOING 699 00:20:24,180 --> 00:20:25,080 TO HAPPEN. 700 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,080 IT HAS TO BE SETTLED AT THE 701 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:28,230 FEDERAL LEVEL FIRST BEFORE YOU 702 00:20:32,210 --> 00:20:35,210 CAN WORRY IT AT THE LOCAL LEVEL. 703 00:20:35,210 --> 00:20:36,060 >> MOVING ON 704 00:20:36,060 --> 00:20:36,260 HOUSE MINORITY LEADER SCOTT 705 00:20:36,260 --> 00:20:37,160 PELATH COMPLAINED THIS WEEK 706 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:38,060 ABOUT THE FOCUS OF THE 2014 707 00:20:38,060 --> 00:20:38,210 GENERAL ASSEMBLY. 708 00:20:38,210 --> 00:20:39,100 HE SAID THERE IS TIME FOR 709 00:20:39,100 --> 00:20:40,010 LEGISLATION ON FERAL CATS AND 710 00:20:40,010 --> 00:20:40,240 -CURSIVE WRITING BUT NOT FOR ME 711 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,220 IMPORTANT ISSUES. 712 00:20:42,220 --> 00:20:43,290 >> IF WE'RE MERELY HERE TO WORK 713 00:20:44,090 --> 00:20:47,090 ON BANALITIES AND IF WE'RE 714 00:20:47,090 --> 00:20:50,020 MERELY HERE TO INDULGE THE 715 00:20:50,020 --> 00:20:51,270 BACKWARD-LOOKING FANTASIES OF A 716 00:20:51,270 --> 00:20:53,090 CEASELESS RIGHT-WING AGENDA, I 717 00:20:53,090 --> 00:20:54,150 THINK IT'S MAYBE TIME TO 718 00:20:54,150 --> 00:20:55,090 CONSIDER WHETHER IT'S BEST FOR 719 00:20:55,090 --> 00:20:56,020 THE PEOPLE OF INDIANA IF WE JUST 720 00:20:56,090 --> 00:20:59,090 ADDOURNED. 721 00:20:59,090 --> 00:21:00,280 >> JON SCHWANTES, IS THAT SORT 722 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,200 OF RHETORIC CONSTRUCTIVE? 723 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:07,260 >> OH, I DON'T KNOW. 724 00:21:07,260 --> 00:21:10,130 I THINK THAT'S, IN THE SCHEME OF 725 00:21:10,130 --> 00:21:11,000 THINGS. 726 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,120 >> FERAL CATS. 727 00:21:13,120 --> 00:21:14,180 >> FERAL CATS. 728 00:21:14,180 --> 00:21:15,220 I -- WELL, REMEMBER IT WASN'T 729 00:21:15,220 --> 00:21:16,240 TOO MANY YEARS AGO THAT PEOPLE 730 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,240 WERE UP IN ARMS ABOUT REFERENCES 731 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,120 TO BOMB -- CAR BOMBERS AND 732 00:21:20,120 --> 00:21:22,120 OTHERS WHEN HIS PREDECESSOR WAS 733 00:21:22,120 --> 00:21:24,150 LABELED SUCH BY MITCH DANIELS? 734 00:21:24,150 --> 00:21:26,080 A LITTLE BIT OF THIS IS GOING TO 735 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:27,220 GO WITH LEGISLATIVE SESSIONS. 736 00:21:27,220 --> 00:21:29,020 YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS KIND 737 00:21:29,020 --> 00:21:30,140 OF RHETORIC. 738 00:21:30,140 --> 00:21:31,270 PEOPLE ARE JOCKEYING FOR 739 00:21:31,270 --> 00:21:32,140 POSITION. 740 00:21:32,140 --> 00:21:33,240 I ACTUALLY DON'T THINK THIS 741 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:34,260 IS -- I MEAN, THERE'S NO 742 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,080 PERSONAL ATTACK. 743 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:41,180 YOU'RE GOING -- WHERE YOU WANT 744 00:21:41,180 --> 00:21:41,260 IT. 745 00:21:41,260 --> 00:21:43,170 >> HE'S THE ONE THAT'S TALKING, 746 00:21:43,170 --> 00:21:44,110 NOT ME. 747 00:21:44,110 --> 00:21:46,260 I FIND IT INTERESTING TTAT -- 748 00:21:46,260 --> 00:21:49,200 SCOTT PELATH IS IN A SMALL 749 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,060 MINORITY AND HE'S GOT FREEDOM 750 00:21:51,060 --> 00:21:51,290 HERE TO SAY THINGS. 751 00:21:51,290 --> 00:21:52,260 >> HE HAS TO. 752 00:21:53,030 --> 00:21:56,030 HE'S TRYING TO SEIZE THE 753 00:21:56,030 --> 00:21:56,160 OPPORTUNITY. 754 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:57,200 WHEN E'S IN THE MINORITY, 755 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,050 ESPECIALLY THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE 756 00:21:59,050 --> 00:22:00,100 DEMOCRATS, YOU HAVE TO TAKE 757 00:22:00,100 --> 00:22:03,100 EVERY OPPORTUNITY, MAKE EVERY 758 00:22:03,100 --> 00:22:04,100 HOLE THAT YOU CAN. 759 00:22:04,100 --> 00:22:05,210 SO HE'S DOING THE RIGHT THING. 760 00:22:05,210 --> 00:22:08,180 I THINK HE'S HAD A PRETTY GOOD 761 00:22:08,180 --> 00:22:10,040 SESSION IN THAT REGARD. 762 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,060 HE'S BEEN A GOOD QUOTE SO HE 763 00:22:12,060 --> 00:22:13,210 GETS A LOT OF PLAY FROM THE 764 00:22:13,210 --> 00:22:15,040 MEDIA, HE'S BEEN ACCESSIBLE. 765 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:16,150 HE'S PICKED ON THE RIGHT ISSUES 766 00:22:16,150 --> 00:22:19,030 AND WORKED WITH HIS CAUCUS TO 767 00:22:19,030 --> 00:22:20,110 PRESENT A UNITED FRONT. 768 00:22:20,110 --> 00:22:21,190 I THINK HE'S HAD A PRETTY GOOD 769 00:22:21,190 --> 00:22:22,000 SESSION. 770 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,180 >> MOST OF THE SESSION'S BEEN 771 00:22:23,180 --> 00:22:26,030 DOMINATED WITH THE TOPIC OF THE 772 00:22:26,030 --> 00:22:29,000 MARRIAGE AMENDMENT. 773 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,270 AND PELATH PUTTING OUT ABOUT 774 00:22:31,270 --> 00:22:33,210 INCREASING THE MAJOR WAGE,,% 775 00:22:33,230 --> 00:22:36,230 INCREASING JOBS IN THE STATE.AN- 776 00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:37,070 HE'S RIGHT. 777 00:22:37,070 --> 00:22:38,140 WE'VE FOCUSED ON THE WRONG 778 00:22:38,140 --> 00:22:40,050 THINGS AND FINALLY WE'RE INTO A 779 00:22:40,050 --> 00:22:42,180 TAX CUT WHERE IT DOESN'T -- 780 00:22:42,180 --> 00:22:44,060 >> WHAT THE GOVERNOR AND 781 00:22:44,060 --> 00:22:45,110 REPUBLICAN LEADERS WILL TELL YOU 782 00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:47,080 IS THE MEDIA HAS FOCUSED ON THE 783 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:48,050 MARRIAGE DEBATE AND THERE'S BEEN 784 00:22:48,050 --> 00:22:49,050 A LOT GOING ON. 785 00:22:49,050 --> 00:22:51,050 THE GOVERNOR SAID IT'S BEEN A 786 00:22:51,050 --> 00:22:52,170 PRODUCTIVE SESSION SO FAR. 787 00:22:52,170 --> 00:22:53,220 >> EVERYTHING HE PROPOSED IN HIS 788 00:22:53,220 --> 00:22:55,020 STATE OF THE STATE SPEECH IS 789 00:22:55,020 --> 00:22:57,190 STILL ALIVE IN BOTH HOUSES. 790 00:22:59,070 --> 00:23:02,090 IN SPITE OF EVERYTHING ELSE. 791 00:23:02,090 --> 00:23:04,040 PRETTY GOOD BATTING AVERAGE. 792 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:04,280 I WOULD THINK. 793 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,190 ALL THE PROGRAMS THAT 794 00:23:06,190 --> 00:23:08,000 REPRESENTATIVE BOSMA BEFORE THE 795 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,000 SESSION STARTED ARE STILL ALIVE 796 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,040 AND ACTIVE AND -- 797 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:14,190 >> SUPERMAN. 798 00:23:14,190 --> 00:23:16,030 >> THEY WERE IMPORTANT THINGS. 799 00:23:16,030 --> 00:23:17,090 THAT'S THE POINT HERE. 800 00:23:17,090 --> 00:23:18,270 THEE WERE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT 801 00:23:18,270 --> 00:23:20,060 ORIENTED, THEY'RE BUSINESS 802 00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:23,070 TAXES, THEY'RE HIGHWAY FUNDING, 803 00:23:23,070 --> 00:23:23,200 $400 MILLION. 804 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:24,220 THEY'RE PRE-K EDUCATION. 805 00:23:24,220 --> 00:23:26,150 ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE VERY 806 00:23:26,150 --> 00:23:27,270 IMPORTANT THINGS ARE ALL STILL 807 00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:29,180 ALIVE AND HERE'S WHAT'S GOING 808 00:23:29,180 --> 00:23:31,150 ON, WHAT SCOTT PELATH RUNS THE 809 00:23:31,150 --> 00:23:34,000 RISK OF DOING IS HE'S DOING 810 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,040 EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID HE WASN'T 811 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:36,270 GOING TO DO, TO GET CAUGHT UP IN 812 00:23:37,060 --> 00:23:40,060 THE TRIVIAL RHETORIC OF THE HARD 813 00:23:40,060 --> 00:23:40,160 CORE -- 814 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,260 >> IT'S TRIVIA? 815 00:23:42,260 --> 00:23:45,230 >> MINIMUM WAGE IS TRIVIAL? 816 00:23:45,230 --> 00:23:46,170 >> CONSTRUCTIVE IN HIS COMMENT 817 00:23:46,170 --> 00:23:47,140 AND HE'S NOT. 818 00:23:48,010 --> 00:23:51,010 AND BECAUSE WHAT HE SAID -- 819 00:23:51,010 --> 00:23:53,110 >> MINIMUM WAGE IS TRIVIAL? 820 00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:54,230 >> BECAUSE NOTHING IS BEING 821 00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:57,110 DONE, AS HE SAYS, WHEN ALL THE 822 00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:58,260 IMPORTANT THINGS ARE DONE, HE 823 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,100 RUNS THE RISK OF BEING LESS 824 00:24:02,100 --> 00:24:04,160 CREDIBLE THAN CHICK LITTLE. 825 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,010 >> WHEN THEY MOVED TO ADJOURN ON 826 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,240 THE FLOOR HE SAID HE WOULDN'T. 827 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:20,040 FINALLY 828 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:20,260 IT'S GIRLLSCOUT COOKIE TIME, AND 829 00:24:20,260 --> 00:24:21,180 IT'S ALSO TIME TO PROVEETHAT THE 830 00:24:21,180 --> 00:24:22,070 TRADITIONAL RECIPES CAN BE 831 00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:23,090 IMPROVED. 832 00:24:23,090 --> 00:24:23,290 THATT' WHY FIVE LOCAL CHEFS 833 00:24:23,290 --> 00:24:24,200 COMPETED IN COOKIE COOKOFF AT 834 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:25,080 BANKERS LIFE FIELDHOUSE. 835 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:25,290 IT WAS TO BENEFIT THE GIRL 836 00:24:25,290 --> 00:24:26,090 SCOUTS. 837 00:24:26,090 --> 00:24:26,270 THE IDEA WAS TO MAKE NEW 838 00:24:26,270 --> 00:24:27,160 DESSERTS OUT OF GIRL SCOUT 839 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:28,140 DEANA POTTERF OF THE GIRL 840 00:24:28,140 --> 00:24:30,040 SCOUTS. 841 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:30,280 >> THEY'RE ALL REALLY EXCITED 842 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:31,180 ABOUT THIS OPPORTUNITY TO 843 00:24:31,180 --> 00:24:33,020 HIGHLIGHT WHAT THEY CAN DO, AND 844 00:24:33,020 --> 00:24:33,240 SO THEY ARE ALL USING DIFFERENT 845 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:34,230 GIRL SCOUT COOKIES. 846 00:24:34,230 --> 00:24:36,110 THEY'RE EXCITED THAT IT'S NOT 847 00:24:36,110 --> 00:24:37,050 JUST A COMMON DESSERT, THEY CAN 848 00:24:37,050 --> 00:24:37,270 GET THEIR CHOPS OUT THERE AND 849 00:24:37,270 --> 00:24:40,250 SEE WHAA THEY CAN DO. 850 00:24:40,250 --> 00:24:41,160 >> THE LEAST I CAN DO IS HELP 851 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:42,060 THEM CONTINUE TO HELP YOUNG 852 00:24:42,060 --> 00:24:42,240 GIRLS IN OUR COMMUNITY, 853 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:43,110 ABSOLUTELY . 854 00:24:43,110 --> 00:24:44,260 AND HOPEFULLY PEOPLE WILL BUY 855 00:24:44,260 --> 00:24:45,260 MORE GIRL SCOUT COOKIES FOR THIS 856 00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:50,120 MONTH. 857 00:24:50,120 --> 00:24:52,090 >> THAT'S WINNING CHEF SAM BROWN 858 00:24:54,070 --> 00:24:57,070 WHO MADE SAVANNAH SMILES SHRIMP 859 00:24:57,070 --> 00:24:58,000 >> DAN PARKER, ARE GIRL SCOUT 860 00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:58,220 COOKIES THE BEST FUNDRAISING 861 00:24:58,220 --> 00:25:01,020 IDEA EVER? 862 00:25:01,020 --> 00:25:01,170 >> ABSOLUTELY. 863 00:25:01,170 --> 00:25:03,130 THE TAG ALONGSSLASTED ABOUT AN 864 00:25:03,130 --> 00:25:04,230 HOUR THE OTHER NIGHT AT MY 865 00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:05,020 HOUSE. 866 00:25:05,020 --> 00:25:06,200 >> I ORDERED THREE CASES. 867 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:07,020 [LAUGHTER] 868 00:25:07,020 --> 00:25:09,280 >> DO YOU GET TIRED OF RUNNING 869 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,180 INTO GIRL SCOUTS AT THE STORE. 870 00:25:12,180 --> 00:25:13,100 >> NO, I LOVE IT. 871 00:25:13,100 --> 00:25:15,100 I'M TRYING TO CONVINCE MY WIFE 872 00:25:15,100 --> 00:25:16,280 EATING A BOX OF THIN MINTS WOULD 873 00:25:19,020 --> 00:25:22,020 MAKE ME THINNER. 874 00:25:22,020 --> 00:25:22,140 [LAUGHTER] 875 00:25:22,140 --> 00:25:24,070 >> I DON'T KNOW WHY ANYBODY 876 00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:25,240 WOULD THINK THAT A SHOW LIKE 877 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,120 THIS WOULD ENGAGE IN ANYTHINGG% 878 00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:28,220 TRIVIAL. 879 00:25:28,220 --> 00:25:31,210 [LAUGHTER] 880 00:25:31,210 --> 00:25:32,110 OUR PANEL IS DEMOCRAT DAN 881 00:25:32,110 --> 00:25:32,210 PARKER. 882 00:25:32,210 --> 00:25:33,100 REPUBLICAN MIKE MCDANIEL. 883 00:25:33,100 --> 00:25:33,290 JON SCHWANTES OF "INDIANA 884 00:25:33,290 --> 00:25:34,120 LAWMAKERS" AND 885 00:25:34,120 --> 00:25:35,040 JOHN KETZENBERGER OF THE INDIANA 886 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:35,230 FISCAL POLICY INSTITUTE. 887 00:25:35,230 --> 00:25:36,180 IF YOU'D LIKE A PODCAST OF THIS 888 00:25:36,180 --> 00:25:38,050 PROGRAM, YOU CAN FIND IT AT 889 00:25:38,050 --> 00:25:39,130 WFYI.ORG/PODCAST, OR STARTING 890 00:25:39,130 --> 00:25:40,070 MONDAY YOU CAN STREAM IT OR GET 891 00:25:40,070 --> 00:25:41,020 IT ON DEMAND FROM XFINITY OR 892 00:25:41,020 --> 00:25:43,030 BRIGHT HOUSE NETWORKS. 893 00:25:43,030 --> 00:25:44,070 >> I'M JIM SHELLA OF WISH-TV.