>> THE GOVERNOR WON'T NEGOTIATE

IN PUBLIC.

WILL THAT HURT HIS TAX REFORM

 

PLAN?

>> A VOTE FOR THE MASS TRANSIT

BILL, NEW DRONE REGULATIONS

ADVANCE IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY,

AND SCOTT PELATH SUGGESTS

CALLING OFF THE REST OF THE

SESSION.

>> THAT, PLUS A WAY TO IMPROVE

GIRL SCOUT COOKIES AND MORE ON

"INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW" FOR THE

 

>> THIS WEEK.

>> IT'S HALFTIME N THE GENERAL

ASSEMBLY AND GOVERNOR MIKE PENCE

SAYS HE WON'T NEGOTIATE HIS PLAN

FOR CORPORATE TAX REFORM IN

PUBLIC.

THE GOVERNOR MET WITH REPORTERS

IN HIS STATEHOUSE OFFICE TO

EXPRESS CONFIDENCE THAT

LAWMAKERS WILL APPROVE AT LEAST

PART OF HIS PLAN TO ELIMINATE A

TAX ON BUSINESS EQUIPMENT.

THE MONEY FROM THAT

BILLION-DOLLAR TAX GOES TO LOCAL

GOVERNMENTS AND NO REPLACEMENT

REVENUE HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED.

 

MAYORS, INCLUDING GREG BALLARD,

ARE CONCERNED, BUT PENCEESAYS

THEY WON'T BE "UNDULY HARMED."

>> I KNOW YOU ALL WANT ME TO

TALK ABOUT DETAIL.

I KNOW THAT.

 

OK.

BUT WE'RE INVOLVED IN

 

DISCUSSION, IN NEGOTIATIONS.

THERE WILL BE COMPROMISE AND WE

ARE LISTENING NOT JUST TO

MEMBERS OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY

BUT WE ARE LISTENING TO OUR

 

LOCAL MAYORS."

>> WHERE WILL THE REPLACEMENT

MONEY COME FROM?

IT'S THE FIRST QUESTION FOR OUR

"INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW" PANEL.

DEMOCRAT DAN PARKER.

REPUBLICAN MIKE MCDANIEL.

JON SCHWANTES, THE HOST OF

"INDIANA LAWMAKERS" AND

JOHN KETZENBERGER, PRESIDENT OF

 

THE INDIANA FISCAL POLICY

INSTITUTE.

>> DAN PARKER, THE GOVERNOR SAYS

 

LOCAL GOVERNMENTS WON'T BE

"UNDULY HARMED."

HOW MUCH HARM DO YOU THINK THAT

 

POSITION ALLOWS?

>> HOPELEY NOT TOO MUCH.

I MEAN, THE BIGGEST PROBLEM HERE

IS HE'S GOVERNING BY TALKING

POINTS INSTEAD OF DETAILS.

YOU JUST HAD THE CLIP THERE.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS -- THIS IS NOT

 

A GOOD WAY TO DO THIS.

SOME PEOPLE ON THIS PANEL HAVE

BEEN AROUND WHEN WE'VE DONE TAX

RESTRUCTURING BEFORE.

IT'S USUALLY BIPARTISAN.

THERE'S USUALLY A LOT OF DETAILS

ON THE TABLE FROM THE BEGINNING.

THERE'S BUYIN.

AND THE GOVERNOR GOESSOUT ON THE

ROAD SELLING IT.

AND HE'S NOT DOING ANY OF THIS.

I MEAN, HE CAN'T EVEN GET

AGREEMENT FROM HIS OWN PARTY LET

ALONE BIPARTISAN CONSENSUS.

AND THE PROBBEM IS, IS THAT IT

JUST DOESN'T ADD UP AND I THINK

THE REPORT FROM JON'S

ORGANIZATION HAS MADE IT EVEN

WORSE BECAUSE NOW THERE'S NO

ECONOMIC SENSE IN DOING THIS SO,

YOU KNOW, LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ARE

SITTING HERE GOONG, YOU KNOW,

WHY DO WE HAVE TO HOLD THE BAG

FOR SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T MAKE

SENSE?

>> HE SAYS HE DOESN'T WANT TO

 

PROVIDE DETAILS, BUT HOW DO YOU

DO ONE-HALF OF THIS?

YOU REDUCE TAXES ON BUSINESS

AND -- AND THEN DON'T DO THE

OTHER HALF AND EXPLAIN WHERE THE

REPLACEMENT MONEY'S GOING TO

COME FROM BECAUSE HE KEEPS

SAYING THIS IS NOT A TAX CUT,

IT'S TAX REFORM.

>> FIRST OF ALL, THE IDEA OF

ELIMINATION COMPLETELY WOULD BE

A BILLION DOLLARS-PLUS.

>> RIGHT.

>> THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

>> NOT IMMEDIATTLY.

>> IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN,

IT'SSNOT GOING TO HAPPEN IN THIS

SESSION.

>> WHAT WOULD HE PROPOSE?

>> WHAT HE SAID WAS THERE ARE

BILLS MOVING IN BOTH THE HOUSE

 

WOULD REDUCE -- TAKE 70% OF

THOSEEWHO PAY THE TAX OFF THE

TABLE AND DO THAT FOR A LOT LESS

THAN THE BILLION DOLLARS.

ACTUALLY --

>> HE PROPOSED GETTING RID OF

THE WHOLE THING.

>> HE'S SAYING DIFFERENT THINGS.

WANTED TO START THE PROCESS.

>> THAT'S WHAT HE SAID WHEN HE

BROUGHT IT UP AT THE LEGISLATIVE

CONFERENCE WHEN HE ANNOUNCED

THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME.

THE BILL IN THE SENATE THAT'S

MOVING, THERE'S A BILL IN THE

HOUSE THAT'S MOVING THAT

WOULD --

>> HEARING ON MONDAY.

>> AND THERE'S A HEARING ON

MONDAY ON THAT.

SO HE'S GOT TWO PIECES OF THIS

BOTH MOVING AT THE SAME TIME.

I DO THINK THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE

SOME FORM OF BUSINESS PEESONAL

PROPERTY TAX RELIEF COME OUT OF

THIS SESSION.

>> WITH REPLACEMENT REVENUE?

>> WELL, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT HOW

THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT, OR IF

THEE DO THE PART THAT'S IN THE

SENATE BILL 1 WHICH WOULD

ELIMINATE IS FOR 71% OF THE

BUSINESSES, SMALL BUSINESSES

WITH $25,000 OR LESS EQUIPMENT,

YOU COULD DO IT AND THAT'S NOT

VERY EXPENSIVE.

TO SOME LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, FOR

INSTANCE, THAT'S AS MUCH AS

MAYBE $16,000.

>> YEAH.

>> NOW, IF YOU START TALKING

ABOUT A BILLION DOLLARS, IT IS A

MAJOR HIT TO GOVERNMENT, THAT'S

WHY THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

BUT HE'S GOING TO GET SOME OF

THIS, HE'S GOING TO GET A PIECE

OF THIS AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE

TRYING TO NEGOTIATE RIGHT NOW.

THEY'RE TRYING TO GET WITH BOTH

THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE AND

COME UP WITH SOME HYBRID THAT

MAKES SENSE JUST AS THEY DID

LAST YEAR.

THEY GOT A PIECE OF WHAT THEY

WANTED WITH THE INCOME TAX LAST

YEAR.

>> JON, DO YOU THINK, IS WHAT --

WHAT WE'RE BEING TOLD THAT --

THAT THERE ARE GOING TO BE CUTS

AND THERE ARE GOING TO BE

REDUCTIONS TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT

WITH NO REPLACEMENT BUT IT WON'T

 

BE A BIG REDUCTION?

 

>> I THINK A LOT OF MAYORS ARE

CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THIS FITS

 

INTO A BROADER PATTERN, ONE THAT

 

INTO THE PAST THAN THE START OF

THE PENCE ADMINISTRATION.

YOU'RE LOOKING AT BACK TO 2008,

WITH THE PROPERTY TAX CAPS THAT

WERE ENSHRINED TWO YEARS LATER

IN THE INDIANA CONSTITUTION

WHICH LIMITS, TO A LARGE EXTENT,

THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE, PROPERTY

TAX REVENUE, THAT LOCAL

GOVERNMENTS CAN HAVE.

THEY'RE ALREADY REELING FROM

THAT.

NOW THIS.

YOU LOOK AT -- I THINK

THEY'RE -- THE FRUSTRATION THAT

MAYORS FEEL GENERALLY IS CUT AT

THE STATE LEVEL, OR AT LEAST

WASH THEIR HANDS OF THE NOTION

OF BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR A TAX,

PUSH IT DOWN THE PIPELINE TO

LOCALS, AND I GUESS IF YOU'RE IN

STATE GOVERNMENT, THAT THERE'S

SOME ATTRACTIVENESS TO THAT --

 

>> THAT'S WHY THE -- SAY THEY'VE

 

NEVER SEEN MAYORS UNITED IN --

>> REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS

ALIKE.

ALSO A FEW OF THE SUGGESTIONS

FOR REPLACEMENT FUNDS HAVE THEIR

OWN AGGAGE.

50% CUT, FOR INSTANCE, IN THE

RESEARCH AND DEVELOPPENT TAX

CREDIT WHICH WE SPEND A LOT OF

TIME TALKING ABOUT HOW INDIANA

WANTS TO POSITION ITSELF TO

OTHER COMPANIES, JOB PROVIDERS

OUTSIDE THE STATE.

CUTTING YOUR RESEARCH AND

DEVELOPMENT TAX MAY NOT BE THE

RIGHT MESSAGE.

>> LET'S GET TO JOHN BECAUSE

YOUR ORGANIZATION, THE INDIANA

FISCAL POLICY INSTITUTE, ISSUED

A REPORT THIS WEEK, AMONG OTHER

THINGS, IT SAID THAT THE

ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BENEFITS OF

ELIMINATING THE BUSINESS

PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX ARE NOT

NECESSARILY GREAT.

>> YEAH, I THINK WHAT YOU LOOK

 

AT, AND I -- I'M -- NOT TO TAKE

EXCEPTION TO DAN BUT I THINK HE

MIGHT HAVE OVERPLAYED IT JUST A

BIT.

>> I'M SUPPOSED TO.

>> AND YOU DID IT WELL.

WE LOOKED AT THE RESEARCH THAT

INDICATES THAT ON A REGIONAL

BASIS, IF YOU'RE GOING FROM ONE

REGION TO ANOTHER, THERE IS NOT

MUCH EFFECT FROM THE BUSINESS

PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX.

IT'S MUCH CLOSER TO HOME THAT

THAT EFFECT IS GREATER.

NOW~--

>> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT

COMPANIES MOVING FROM ONE --

>> RIGHT.

>> IF YOU WANT TO MOVE FROM

MINNESOTA OR OHIO TO INDIANA IT

DOESN'T MAKE A HIJACK

DIFFERENCE.

 

>> I WOULDN'T GO THAT FAR, MIKE.

>> THE RESEARCH DOESN'T SUGGESTS

THAT THERE'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE

AT ALL.

RESEARCH SUGGESTS WHEN YOU COME

FROM ONE STATE OR RUN REGION TO

ANOTHERRING IT PLAY A BIGGER

ROLE.

IT'S A BIGGER ROLE WHEN YOU'RE

CLOSE WITHIN THAT REGION.

OHIO TO INDIANA OR FROM COUNTY

TO COUNTY.

AND THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE TO BE

CAREFUL WITH THIS CONOMIC

IMPACT BBCAUSE IT'S NOT

CONCLUSIVE.

AND IT'S PROBABLY NOT AS GREAT

 

AS IT'S BEEN EXPRESSED SO FAR.

>> AND IT SAID IT'S A TALL

ORDER.

>> WELL, THIS IS VERY

COMPLICATED AS WE CAN SEE FROM

THE DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD SO FAR

AND THE CAPS HAVE REALLY MADE IT

DIFFICULT BECAUSE --

>> THE PROPERTY TAX CAPS.

>> RIGHT.

THIS IS THE LAST OF FIVE

PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES THAT

INDIANA USED TO HAVE.

40 YEARS AGO WE STARTED

ELIMINATING THESE, THE LAST ONE

WE ELIMINATED WAS THE INVENTORY

TAX.

WE DIDN'T HAVE CAMS AT THAT TIME

ON PROPERTY TAX SO IT WAS EASIER

TO FIND REPLACEMENT REVENUE.

NOW YOU HAVE THE TAX, NOW IT'S

HARDER TO FIND AND IT'S A MUCH

MORE COMPLICATED DISCUSSION THIS

TIME AROUND.

 

>> LET'S MOVE ON.

THE MASS TRANSIT BILL HAS PASSED

THE STATE SENATE FOR THE FIRST

TIME.

THE VOTE WAS 28-20 FOR THE BILL

THAT CALLS FOR REFERENDUMS IN

SIX COUNTIES ON HIGHER TAXES TO

FUND A BETTER BUS SYSTEM.

THE BILL PROHIBITS THE CREATION

OF LIGHT RAIL LINES.

IT COULD LEAD TO HIGHER

CORPORATE TAXES AND HIGHER LOCAL

INCOME TAXES WITH BUS RIDERS

PICKING UP 5% OF THE COST OF

IMPROVEMENTS.

 

SENATOR PAT MILLER.

>> THIS IS THE CAPITAL CITY AND

OUR TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM IS

INADEQUATE.

IT'S INADEQUATE FOR RESIDENTS OF

 

MARION COUNTY, IT'S INADEQUATE

FOR SURROUNDING COUNTIES AND

IT'S CERTAINLY INADEQUATE FOR

THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO COME TO

VISIT THIS CITY.

>> THIS IS AN ECONOMIC JUSTICE

ISSUE.

IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY ISSUE FOR

FAMILIES.

IF THEY CAN'T GET TO WORK ON

TIME, AND I CAN TELL YOU AS

RIDER, IT CAN BE REALLY

DIFFIIULT, IF YOU MISS YOUR OOE

 

BUS, YOU CAN BE LATE TO WORK.

>> BUS RIDER KEN MITCHELL THERE,

 

MIC McDANIEL, BRIAN BOSMA SAID

HE DOESN'T LIKE THE

FUNDING METHODS.

>> HE'S NOT "THE LONE RANGER" ON

THAT ONE, OTHER PEOPLE HAVE

PROBLEMS WITH THE FUNDING.

SENATOR MILLER IS ABSOLUTELY

RIGHT, CENTRAL INDIANA IS GOING

TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF

MASS TRANSIT PLAN EVENTUALLY AND

THIS IS A GOOD FIRST START, IF

WE CAN GET ANYTHING OUT OF THE

SENATE MOVING TOWARDS THE HOUSE,

THAT'S A GOOD FIRST START ON

THIS --

>> THE BILL DID PASSSTHE HOUSE

LAST YEAR AND DIED IN THE

SENATE.

>> DIED IN THE OTHER DIRECTION.

SO THERE'S HOPE WE'RE GOING TO

GET SOMETHING DONE WITH WITH

THIS THIS TIME AROUND BUT THE

FUNDING MECHANISM IS

PROBLEMATIC, I LOOK FOR IT TO

TWEAK IN THE HOUSE AND I LOOK

FOR SOMETHING TO PASS THAT WOULD

GIVE THESE COUNTRIES THE

REFERENDUM TO MOVE FORWARD ON

MASS TRANSIT.

>> YEAH, PAT KELLY AT THE

INDIANA MANUFACTURERS

ASSOCIATION AMONG THOSE SAYIIG

THE CORPORATE TAX PORTION OF

THIS THING ISSUNFAIR.

>> WELL, THE BIGGEST PROBLEM

WITH THIS AND MIKE JUST TOUCHED

 

ON IT IS THIS GOT STALLED LAST

YEAR, I'M GLAD SENATOR MILLER IS

A CONVERT, I'M GLAD WE DID THE

STUDY TO FIND OUT HOW IMPORTANT

THIS WAS TO FIND OUT WE NEEDED

TO DO THAT THIS YEAR.

I THINK IT'S ALL MICROMANAGEMENT

OF LOCAL ISSUES AT THE STATE

LEVEL.

IF ANYTHING, THESE LAST TWO

ISSUES SHOULD TELL US THAT THE

STATE LEGISLATURE SHOULD GET OUT

OF THE WAY OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT

AND LET LOCAL GOVERNMENT RULE AT

THE LOCAL LEVEL AND GET OUT OF

THE WAY.

I MEAN, THE FACT THAT THEY'RE

DICTATING NO LIGHT RAIL HERE,

GOT TO DO THIS, YOU GOT TO DO

THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT, PUT IT TO

THE PEOPLE FIRST, LET'S SEE IF

THEY WANT IT AND THEN WE CAN

FIGURE IT OUT.

BUT I THINK INDIANAPOLIS AND THE

SURROUNDING REGION CAN FIGURE

THAT OUT ON ITS OWN AND IT

DOESN'T NEED THE LEGISLATURE

TELLING IT WHAT TO DO.

>> YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE STATE

LEGISLATION TO -- DAN, YOU'VE

GOT TO HAVE STATE LEGISLATION TO

ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN IN THE FIRST

PLACE.

>> YOU NEED TO HHVE STATE

LEGISLATIOO BECAUSE IT'S CALLING

FOR A TAX INCREASE.

>> RIGHT.

>> HOW IRONIC IS IT HERE ON THE

ONE HAND YOU'VE GOT THE GOVERNOR

TALKING ABOUT TAX CUTS AND HERE

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TAX

INCREASES.

>> WELL, I THINK THE DIFFERENCE

IS, IS THAT IN THIS CASE YOU'RE

TALKING ABOUT A TAX INCREASE FOR

A VERY SPECIFIC PURPOSE AND THE

IDEA IS THAT THE PUBLIC WILL

WANT THIS AND ENDORSE IT, WE'LL

 

HAVE TO SEE BECAUSE A REFERENDUM

WILL BE INVOLVED.

I NEED IT GOES TO THE POINT THAT

DAN WAS MAKING AND THAT IS WHERE

DOES IT END WHERE YOU GET THE

ENABLING LEGISLATION FROM THE

LEGISLATURE AND THE LOCALS ARE

ALLOWED TO MANAGE THAT, WHEN

THHRE ARE STIPULATIONS PLACED IN

THE LEGISLATION BY THE GENERAL

ASSEMBLY, IT NOT ONLY MAKES IT

DIFFICULT FOR THE LOCALS TO

 

MANAGE IT, IT MAKES IT ALMOST

IMPOSSIBLE T TO GET THE

LEGISLATION PASSED.

 

LAST TWO SESSIONS WITH MASS

TRANSIT MANY OTHER ISSUES, THE

 

QUESTION WITH HOME RULE.

>> TEA PARTY SPEAKING OUT

AGAINST THIS, THEY SAY THEY

DON'T WANT TO SEE ANY TAX

INCREASES FOR TRANSIT PURPOSES.

DOES THAT HAVE A BEARING ON WHAT

GOES ON INSIDE THE STATEHOUSE?

>> IT HAS A BEARING, YES.

 

BUT IS IT A DETERMINANT?

PROBABLY NOT.

 

THIS IS AN ISSUE, WE TALK ABOUT

IT BEING TWO SESSION -- NOW TWO

SESSIONS THIS HAS BEEN AN ISSUE.

ACTUALLY, YOU THINK ABOUT HOW

THIS HAS BEEN STUDIED AND

DEVISED AND PLANNED YOU COULD

MAYBE GO BACK A DECADE AT LEAST.

>> FOR TRANSIT, YEAH.

>> AND THE PLAN HAS MORPHED,

IT'S BEEN REDUCED IN ITS SCOPE,

 

IT'S BEEN ALTERED, THE WHOLE

NOTION OF HOME GOVERNANCE AND

LETTING PEOPLE PAY FOR THEIR OWN

TRANSPORTATION THANKS SORT OF A

COMPROMISE AT SOME POINT IN THIS

CONTINUUM.

SOMETTING'S GOT TO GIVE.

I MEAN, AS LONG AS GOVERNMENN IS

 

EXPECTED TO PROVIDE CERTAIN

SERVICES, THE MONEY'S GOT TO

COME FROM WHERE AND BILL GATES

PROBABLY ISN'T INCLINED TO --

>> THE MOMENT IT'S AN ANTILABOR

PROVISIONS IN THIS THAT

DEMOCRATS ARE OPPOSED TO SO

DEMOCRATS VOTED FOR IT TO KEEP

IT ALIVE.

 

>> THAT'S A PROBLEM, TOO, MIKE

MENTIONED SOME PROBLEMS, YOU

MENTIONED THE TEA PARTY.

I WOULD SAY THE FRIDAY NOON

DEADLINE FOR FILING AND NOT A

LOT OF PRIMARIES FREEZE A LOT OF

PEOPLE TO FREE UP THAT THEY

DON'T HAVE TO VOTE FOR THE TEA

PARTY.

>> YOU THINK LEGISLATION IS

GOING TO MOVE FOR QUICKLY

BECAUSE -- AT NOON TODAY WAS THE

FILING DEADLINE AND THERE DON'T

APPEAR TO BE ANY MEANINGFUL

PRIMARIES ON EITHER SIDE.

>> DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT.

MIKE CAN SPEAK TO HIS SIDE A

LITTLE BIT MORE.

>> I CONCUR.

[LAUGHTER]

>> MORE SMOOTHLY?

>> NO, I CONCUR THAT THERE

REALLY AREN'T TOO MANY

MEANINGFUL PRIMARIES

>> TIME NOW FOR VIEWER FEEDBACK.

EACH WEEK WE POSE AN

UNSCIENTIFIC, ONLLNEEPOLL

QUESTION IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR

ICEMILLER E-MAIL AND TEXT

ALERTS.

THIS WEEK'S QUESTION IS:

ARE YOU WILLING TO PAY HIGHER

 

-TAXES FOR A BETTER BUS SYSTEM?

YOUR CHOICES ARE --

A. YES.

B. NO.

LAST WEEK'S QUESTION WAS:

 

SHOULD CIVIL UNIONS BE LEGAL?

 

92% SAID YES, 8% SAID NO.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TAKE PART

IN THE POLL, GO TO WFYI.ORG/IWIR

AND LOOK FOR THE POLL.

>> STATE LAWMAKERS TOOK ACTION

THIS WEEK TO LIMIT THE ABILITY

OF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS TO

DO VIDEO SURVEILLANCE USING A

DRONE.

THE ONE-SIDED VOTE IN THE HOUSE

OF REPRESENTATIVES WAS 85-11 FOR

A BILL THAT WOULD REQUIRE A

SEARCH WARRANT FOR THE USE OF A

DRONE-MOUNTED CAMERA OVER

PRIVATE PROPERTY.

THERE WAS SOME CONTROVERSY,

HOWEVER.

 

HERE'S REPRESENTATIVE MATT

>> THE STATE SHOULD NOT BE

ATTEMPTING TO GET INTO YOUR

 

PRIVATE BUSINESS AND SEE THINGS

YOU'RE DOING, KIND OF RESPECT

YOUR RIGHT TO PRIVACY, UNLESS

THEY HAVE SOME CAUSE TO BELIEVE

THAT YOU'RE ENGAGING CRIMINAL

ACTIVITY.

>> I AM NOT INTERESTED IN, IN

ADVANCE, LIMITING THE

EFFECTIVENESS OF LAW

ENFORCEMENT.

I'M SORRY, I THINK THAT'S

SOMETHING WE SHOULD NOT ENGAGE

 

IN.

>> STATE REPRESENTATIVE ED

DELANEY THERE.

JOHN KETZENBERGER, ARE YOU

WORRIED ABOUT THE COPS

VIDEOTAPING IN YOUR BACKYARD?

 

[LAUGHTER]

>> LET ME CALL MY WIFE AND HAVE

HER COVER UP ALL THE BUSHES.

[LAUGHTER]

>> NO, ACTUALLY, I'M NOT.

BECAUSE I -- THERE ARE A LOT OF

THINGS THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN

BEFORE WE GET TO THIS POINT.

I SEE WHAT THE LEGISLATURE'S

TRYING TO DO, I UNDERSTAND WHAT

THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY BUT I

THINK REPRESENTATIVE PIERCE

 

RAISES A GOOD CIVIL LIBERTIES

QUESTION, BUT I THINK A LOT OF

THAT'S GOING TO BE ANSWERED BY

THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT INSTEAD

OF THE STATE GOVERNMENT.

AND I THINK REPRESENTATIVE

DELANEY TALKING ABOUT THE

EFFECTIVE --ING TRYING NOT TO

SHUT DOWN LAW ENFORCEMENT BEFORE

YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE WORKING

AGAIN, AGAIN, THE FEDERAL

GOVERNMENT'S GOING TO DICK

TAUGHT A LOT OF THESE THINGS, I

THINK.

>> THIS BILL DEALS WITH OTHER

FORRS OF WHAT THEY CALL DIGITAL

SURVEILLANCE, GPS TRACKERS, CELL

PHONE TRACKERS.

IT'S TOUGH TO KEEP UP WITH

TECHNOLOGY AND -- AND MATCH IT

TO THE LAW.

>> NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT, JIM.

 

THESE ARE ISSUES THAT NEVER MIND

THE FOUNDING FATHERS OF INDIANA,

THESE ARE ISSUES THAT WOULD HAVE

BEEN UNTHINKABLE WHEN WE FIRST

SHOWED UP AT THE STATEHOUSE A

COUPLE DECADES AGO.

AND YOU'RE RIGHT, THIS IS YET

ANOTHER INSTANCE WHERE THE LAW

IS STRUGGLING MIGHTILY TO KEEP

UP.

 

BUT EVEN IF YOU PROHIBIT DRONES,

UNMANNED AIRCRAFT FROM GETTING

THESE IMAGES, I PRESUME THERE'S

NOTHHNG THAT WOULD PREVENT, SAY,

A POLICE HELICOPTER FROM GETTING

THE EXACT SAME IMAGES, THE ONLY

DIFFERENCE BEING IT'S A LITTLE

BIGGER AND THERE'S SOMEBODY

FLYING IT AND IF YOU REALLY WANT

TO CARRY THIS FURTHER, I'M NO

EXPERT ON SATELLITE TECHNOLOGY

BUT, YOU KNOW, IF -- I THINK YOU

CAN GET A PHOTOGRAPH NOW FROM

SPACE WHICH WOULD SHOW SOMEBODY

HAS A HANGNAIL.

SO THERE'S REALLY -- I MEAN,

WHERE DO YOU DRAW THE LINE?

 

DO YOU PUT A BUBBLE OVER -- I

DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING INTO

JOHN'S BACKYARD, FOR EXAMPLE --

>> I THINK YOU'RE SUGGESTING

THAT MAYBE LAWMAKERS SHOULD

 

WORRY ABOUT OTHER THINGS.

>> IT'S MORE COMPLICATED THAN

JUST THE DRONE ISSUE.

 

>> THE VOTE WAS 85-11, OK?

YOU PICK TWO PEOPLE ON THE VIDEO

THAT WERE AGAINST IT.

>> NO, NO.

HE'S FOR IT.

HE'S FOR IT.

>> IT BROUGHT ERIC COOK AND MATT

PIERCE TOGETHER.

>> TOGETHER.

>> OK?

OPPOSITE ENDS OF THE SPECTRUM.

DO WE AGREE?

>> 85-11 ON THIS VOTE.

AND WHAT THEY'RE WORRIEE ABOUT

HERE IS THE FUTURE OF WHETHER OR

NOT YOU OUGHT TO HAVE A SEARCH

WARRANT TO COME TO YOUR

PROPERTY.

AND THIS IS ANOTHER FORM, LIKE

YOU SAID, THAT MODERN TECHNOLOGY

THAT'S INVOLVED HERE IS

SOMETHING THAT'S NEW TO

EVERYBODY.

 

WE'VE SEEN WHAT THESE DRONES CAN

DO IN BATTLE SITUATIONS OVERSEAS

AND PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED THAT

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A SITUATION

WHERE IT CAN BE USED ILLEGALLY

TO SEARCH YOUR PROPERTY.

AND THAT'S A SERIOUS

CONVERSATION TO HAVE.

IT'S NOTHING TRIVIAL ABOUT THAT.

>> THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS

ALREADY HAVE THEM.

GREENFIELD USES ONE FOR ACCIDENT

INVESTIGATION.

>> I TALKED TO MATT PIERCE ABOUT

THIS, I MEEN, THE AUTHORS OF THE

BILL DID THIS IN CONSULTATION

WITH THE STATE POLICE AND OTHER

POLICE AGENCIES, AND IT DEALS --

>> A LOT MORE -- AND A LOT MORE

THAN JUST DRONES.

AND IT'S A POLICY THAT NEEDS TO

BE PUT IN PLACE.

AAD THERR'S JUDICIAL OVERSIGHT.

SO I'M, YOU KNOW, PUT ONE DOWN

FOR WHERE MIKE AND I AGREE AND

YOU GUYS ARE OFF -- I DON'T KNOW

WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.

 

[LAUGHTER]

>> I'M NOT UNSYMPATHETIC.

>> TRY TO MAKE THE STATEMENT

THAT THIS IS A TRIVIAL

DISCUSSION IS JUST WRONG.

>> I WOULD SAY THAT THE SENATE

BILL IS A LITTLE BIT MORE

TRIVIAL.

THIS IS A SERIOUS DISCUSSION

ABOUT WHERE THE POLICY NEEDS TO

GO FORWARD WITH ELECTRONIC

SURVEILLANCE.

>> I'M SYMPATHETIC TO THE

AUTHORS OF THE BILL, I BELIEVE

THERE SHOULD BE PRIVACY.

I'M JUST POINTING OUT THAT THERE

ARE PRACTICALITIES HERE THAT

MAKE SOME OF THIS MOOT.

IF IT'S MANNED AIRCRAFT, IF IT'S

OTHER TECHNOLOGY, I'M JUST --

THERE'S A PRINCIPLE, AND THEN

THE APPROACH I THINK IS A GOOD

ONE.

 

>> A DRONE WITH A HIGH DEF

CAMERA AT 200 FEET OVER YOUR

PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE

INCREDIBLY USEFUL FOR FIGURING

OUT WHAT'S GOING ON.

I DO THINK THERE'S A SERIOUS

POLICY QUESTION HERE BUT I DO

THINK ALSO THE FEDERAL

GOVERNMENT HAS TO FIGURE OUT HOW

TO REGULATE THESE DRONES FIRST

AND THE LAW ENFORCEMENT'S GOING

TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THOSE

REGULATIONS.

IT'S NOT LIKE YOU CAN START

POPPING THESE THINGS IN THE AIR

AND NOT WORRY ABOUT WHAT'S GOING

TO HAPPEN.

IT HAS TO BE SETTLED AT THE

FEDERAL LEVEL FIRST BEFORE YOU

 

CAN WORRY IT AT THE LOCAL LEVEL.

>> MOVING ON

HOUSE MINORITY LEADER SCOTT

PELATH COMPLAINED THIS WEEK

ABOUT THE FOCUS OF THE 2014

GENERAL ASSEMBLY.

HE SAID THERE IS TIME FOR

LEGISLATION ON FERAL CATS AND

-CURSIVE WRITING BUT NOT FOR ME

IMPORTANT ISSUES.

>> IF WE'RE MERELY HERE TO WORK

 

ON BANALITIES AND IF WE'RE

MERELY HERE TO INDULGE THE

BACKWARD-LOOKING FANTASIES OF A

CEASELESS RIGHT-WING AGENDA, I

THINK IT'S MAYBE TIME TO

CONSIDER WHETHER IT'S BEST FOR

THE PEOPLE OF INDIANA IF WE JUST

 

ADDOURNED.

>> JON SCHWANTES, IS THAT SORT

 

OF RHETORIC CONSTRUCTIVE?

>> OH, I DON'T KNOW.

I THINK THAT'S, IN THE SCHEME OF

THINGS.

>> FERAL CATS.

>> FERAL CATS.

I -- WELL, REMEMBER IT WASN'T

TOO MANY YEARS AGO THAT PEOPLE

WERE UP IN ARMS ABOUT REFERENCES

TO BOMB -- CAR BOMBERS AND

OTHERS WHEN HIS PREDECESSOR WAS

LABELED SUCH BY MITCH DANIELS?

A LITTLE BIT OF THIS IS GOING TO

GO WITH LEGISLATIVE SESSIONS.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS KIND

OF RHETORIC.

PEOPLE ARE JOCKEYING FOR

POSITION.

I ACTUALLY DON'T THINK THIS

IS -- I MEAN, THERE'S NO

 

PERSONAL ATTACK.

YOU'RE GOING -- WHERE YOU WANT

IT.

>> HE'S THE ONE THAT'S TALKING,

NOT ME.

I FIND IT INTERESTING TTAT --

SCOTT PELATH IS IN A SMALL

MINORITY AND HE'S GOT FREEDOM

HERE TO SAY THINGS.

>> HE HAS TO.

 

HE'S TRYING TO SEIZE THE

OPPORTUNITY.

WHEN E'S IN THE MINORITY,

ESPECIALLY THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE

DEMOCRATS, YOU HAVE TO TAKE

EVERY OPPORTUNITY, MAKE EVERY

HOLE THAT YOU CAN.

SO HE'S DOING THE RIGHT THING.

I THINK HE'S HAD A PRETTY GOOD

SESSION IN THAT REGARD.

HE'S BEEN A GOOD QUOTE SO HE

GETS A LOT OF PLAY FROM THE

MEDIA, HE'S BEEN ACCESSIBLE.

HE'S PICKED ON THE RIGHT ISSUES

AND WORKED WITH HIS CAUCUS TO

PRESENT A UNITED FRONT.

I THINK HE'S HAD A PRETTY GOOD

SESSION.

>> MOST OF THE SESSION'S BEEN

DOMINATED WITH THE TOPIC OF THE

MARRIAGE AMENDMENT.

AND PELATH PUTTING OUT ABOUT

INCREASING THE MAJOR WAGE,,%

 

INCREASING JOBS IN THE STATE.AN-

HE'S RIGHT.

WE'VE FOCUSED ON THE WRONG

THINGS AND FINALLY WE'RE INTO A

TAX CUT WHERE IT DOESN'T --

>> WHAT THE GOVERNOR AND

REPUBLICAN LEADERS WILL TELL YOU

IS THE MEDIA HAS FOCUSED ON THE

MARRIAGE DEBATE AND THERE'S BEEN

A LOT GOING ON.

THE GOVERNOR SAID IT'S BEEN A

PRODUCTIVE SESSION SO FAR.

>> EVERYTHING HE PROPOSED IN HIS

STATE OF THE STATE SPEECH IS

STILL ALIVE IN BOTH HOUSES.

 

IN SPITE OF EVERYTHING ELSE.

PRETTY GOOD BATTING AVERAGE.

I WOULD THINK.

ALL THE PROGRAMS THAT

REPRESENTATIVE BOSMA BEFORE THE

SESSION STARTED ARE STILL ALIVE

 

AND ACTIVE AND --

>> SUPERMAN.

>> THEY WERE IMPORTANT THINGS.

THAT'S THE POINT HERE.

THEE WERE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT

ORIENTED, THEY'RE BUSINESS

 

TAXES, THEY'RE HIGHWAY FUNDING,

$400 MILLION.

THEY'RE PRE-K EDUCATION.

ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE VERY

IMPORTANT THINGS ARE ALL STILL

ALIVE AND HERE'S WHAT'S GOING

ON, WHAT SCOTT PELATH RUNS THE

RISK OF DOING IS HE'S DOING

EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID HE WASN'T

GOING TO DO, TO GET CAUGHT UP IN

 

THE TRIVIAL RHETORIC OF THE HARD

CORE --

>> IT'S TRIVIA?

>> MINIMUM WAGE IS TRIVIAL?

>> CONSTRUCTIVE IN HIS COMMENT

AND HE'S NOT.

 

AND BECAUSE WHAT HE SAID --

>> MINIMUM WAGE IS TRIVIAL?

>> BECAUSE NOTHING IS BEING

DONE, AS HE SAYS, WHEN ALL THE

IMPORTANT THINGS ARE DONE, HE

 

RUNS THE RISK OF BEING LESS

CREDIBLE THAN CHICK LITTLE.

>> WHEN THEY MOVED TO ADJOURN ON

 

THE FLOOR HE SAID HE WOULDN'T.

FINALLY

IT'S GIRLLSCOUT COOKIE TIME, AND

IT'S ALSO TIME TO PROVEETHAT THE

TRADITIONAL RECIPES CAN BE

IMPROVED.

THATT' WHY FIVE LOCAL CHEFS

COMPETED IN COOKIE COOKOFF AT

BANKERS LIFE FIELDHOUSE.

IT WAS TO BENEFIT THE GIRL

SCOUTS.

THE IDEA WAS TO MAKE NEW

DESSERTS OUT OF GIRL SCOUT

DEANA POTTERF OF THE GIRL

SCOUTS.

>> THEY'RE ALL REALLY EXCITED

ABOUT THIS OPPORTUNITY TO

HIGHLIGHT WHAT THEY CAN DO, AND

SO THEY ARE ALL USING DIFFERENT

GIRL SCOUT COOKIES.

THEY'RE EXCITED THAT IT'S NOT

JUST A COMMON DESSERT, THEY CAN

GET THEIR CHOPS OUT THERE AND

SEE WHAA THEY CAN DO.

>> THE LEAST I CAN DO IS HELP

THEM CONTINUE TO HELP YOUNG

GIRLS IN OUR COMMUNITY,

ABSOLUTELY .

AND HOPEFULLY PEOPLE WILL BUY

MORE GIRL SCOUT COOKIES FOR THIS

 

MONTH.

>> THAT'S WINNING CHEF SAM BROWN

 

WHO MADE SAVANNAH SMILES SHRIMP

>> DAN PARKER, ARE GIRL SCOUT

COOKIES THE BEST FUNDRAISING

IDEA EVER?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

THE TAG ALONGSSLASTED ABOUT AN

HOUR THE OTHER NIGHT AT MY

HOUSE.

>> I ORDERED THREE CASES.

[LAUGHTER]

>> DO YOU GET TIRED OF RUNNING

INTO GIRL SCOUTS AT THE STORE.

>> NO, I LOVE IT.

I'M TRYING TO CONVINCE MY WIFE

EATING A BOX OF THIN MINTS WOULD

 

MAKE ME THINNER.

[LAUGHTER]

>> I DON'T KNOW WHY ANYBODY

WOULD THINK THAT A SHOW LIKE

THIS WOULD ENGAGE IN ANYTHINGG%

TRIVIAL.

[LAUGHTER]

OUR PANEL IS DEMOCRAT DAN

PARKER.

REPUBLICAN MIKE MCDANIEL.

JON SCHWANTES OF "INDIANA

LAWMAKERS" AND

JOHN KETZENBERGER OF THE INDIANA

FISCAL POLICY INSTITUTE.

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