WEBVTT 00:02.020 --> 00:05.020 align:start IF THE REGULATION OF 00:05.020 --> 00:05.230 align:start ALCOHOL SALES IN INDIANA WERE 00:05.230 --> 00:06.130 align:start A COCKTAIL, THE RECIPE MIGHT 00:06.130 --> 00:07.130 align:start BE SOMETHING LIKE THIS -- 00:07.130 --> 00:08.180 align:start COMBINE SIX SHOTS OF CALENDAR 00:08.180 --> 00:10.120 align:start RESTRICTIONS, TWO JIGGERS OF 00:10.120 --> 00:12.010 align:start HOURLY CUTOFFS, AND A SPLASH 00:12.010 --> 00:12.220 align:start OF POPULATION-BASED LICENSING 00:12.220 --> 00:14.020 align:start QUOTAS. 00:14.020 --> 00:14.280 align:start SHAKE PERIODICALLY, FOR 80 00:14.280 --> 00:15.230 align:start YEARS OR SO, THEN IGNITE AND 00:15.230 --> 00:18.060 align:start SERVE FLAMING. 00:18.060 --> 00:19.220 align:start HI, I'M JON SCHWANTES, AND ON 00:19.220 --> 00:20.280 align:start THIS EDITION OF "INDIANA 00:20.280 --> 00:22.040 align:start LAWMAKERS," WE'LL EXAMINE THE 00:22.040 --> 00:23.240 align:start UPROAR SPARKED BY THE LATEST 00:23.240 --> 00:24.140 align:start PUSH TO LOOSEN AT LEAST SOME 00:24.140 --> 00:25.130 align:start OF THE STATE'S 00:25.130 --> 00:27.050 align:start POST-PROHIBITION CONTROLS, 00:27.050 --> 00:27.260 align:start INCLUDING THE LONGSTANDING BAN 00:27.260 --> 00:29.150 align:start ON SUNDAY CARRYOUT SALES. 00:29.150 --> 00:30.030 align:start HERE'S WFYI NEWS ANCHOR 00:30.030 --> 00:30.250 align:start CHRISTOPHER AYERS WITH THE 00:31.010 --> 00:34.010 align:start BACKGROUND. 00:34.010 --> 00:35.150 align:start SIX DAYS OF THE WEEK YOU'RE 00:35.150 --> 00:37.170 align:start FREE TO PICK YOUR POISON. 00:37.170 --> 00:39.010 align:start BUT COME THE WEE HOURS SUNDAY 00:39.010 --> 00:39.210 align:start MORNING, THIS STATE'S ALL 00:39.210 --> 00:41.130 align:start DRIED UP. 00:41.130 --> 00:42.200 align:start INDIANA AND ITS NEIGHBOR 00:42.200 --> 00:44.100 align:start STATES ALL ENFORCED SO-CALLED 00:44.100 --> 00:45.160 align:start BLUE LAWS BANNING SUNDAY 00:45.160 --> 00:46.070 align:start ALCOHOL SALES FOLLOWING THE 00:46.070 --> 00:47.290 align:start END OF PROHIBITION. 00:47.290 --> 00:49.160 align:start SLOWLY, THE OTHER STATES 00:49.160 --> 00:50.130 align:start LIFTED THOSE LAWS. 00:50.130 --> 00:51.010 align:start INDIANA'S REMAINS ON THE 00:51.140 --> 00:54.140 align:start BOOKS. 00:54.140 --> 00:56.080 align:start BUT THIS YEAR COULD BE 00:56.080 --> 00:56.260 align:start DIFFERENT. 00:56.260 --> 00:59.170 align:start HOUSE PUBLIC POLICY COMMITTEE 01:07.080 --> 01:10.080 align:start CHAIRMAN REPUBLICAN TOM DERMONDY 01:10.080 --> 01:10.290 align:start HAS AUTHORED A BILL THAT WOULD 01:10.290 --> 01:11.180 align:start ALLOW SUNDAY SALES DURING 01:11.180 --> 01:12.010 align:start LIMITED HOURS. 01:12.010 --> 01:12.160 align:start IT WOULD ALSO EASE 01:12.160 --> 01:13.060 align:start RESTRICTIONS ON ITEMS LIQUOR 01:13.060 --> 01:13.200 align:start STORES CAN SELL. 01:13.200 --> 01:14.110 align:start HE SAYS HIS BILL WILL AT LEAST 01:14.110 --> 01:15.190 align:start GET A COMMITTEE READING. 01:15.190 --> 01:16.100 align:start I SUPPORT HAVING THE DEBATE 01:16.100 --> 01:17.000 align:start ONCE AND FOR ALL SO WE DON'T 01:17.000 --> 01:17.190 align:start KEEP BRINGING IT BACK YEAR 01:17.190 --> 01:18.100 align:start AFTER, AND I THINK THE PEOPLE 01:18.100 --> 01:19.010 align:start IN THE STATE ARE READY TO HAVE 01:19.010 --> 01:19.190 align:start THE DEBATE AND HAVE BEEN 01:19.190 --> 01:20.090 align:start ASKING ENOUGH QUESTIONS THAT 01:20.090 --> 01:21.000 align:start I'VE SPENT TIME TO PREPARE AND 01:21.000 --> 01:21.210 align:start LOOKING FORWARD TO DISCUSSING 01:21.210 --> 01:22.050 align:start IT THIS SESSION. 01:22.050 --> 01:22.260 align:start INDIANA'S BAN DOESN'T COVER 01:22.260 --> 01:24.190 align:start ALL CARRYOUT SALES ON SUNDAY. 01:24.190 --> 01:26.280 align:start WINERIES HAVE BEEN EXEMPT 01:26.280 --> 01:28.090 align:start SINCE 1971 AND BREWERIES SINCE 01:28.090 --> 01:29.210 align:start 2010, BOTH EXCEPTIONS MEANT TO 01:29.280 --> 01:32.280 align:start STIMULATE TOURISM. 01:32.280 --> 01:34.090 align:start THE INDIANA CHAMBER OF 01:34.090 --> 01:34.280 align:start COMMERCE SAYS IT SUPPORTS 01:35.100 --> 01:38.100 align:start DERMODY'S BILL. 01:38.100 --> 01:39.280 align:start CHAMBER PRESIDENT, KEVIN 01:39.280 --> 01:40.180 align:start BRINEGAR, SAYS AT THIS POINT 01:40.180 --> 01:41.160 align:start THE ISSUE COMES DOWN TO 01:41.160 --> 01:42.040 align:start CONSUMER CONVENIENCE AND 01:42.040 --> 01:42.280 align:start LIFTING THE BAN MAKES SENSE. 01:42.280 --> 01:43.230 align:start WE THINK IT'S A COMMONSENSE 01:43.230 --> 01:45.270 align:start APPROACH. 01:45.270 --> 01:47.010 align:start IT BRINGS INDIANA IN LINE WITH 01:47.010 --> 01:48.060 align:start THE VAST, VAST MAJORITY OF 01:48.060 --> 01:50.290 align:start OTHER STATES. 01:50.290 --> 01:51.260 align:start STILL, THE BILL FACES SOME 01:51.260 --> 01:53.040 align:start STRONG OPPOSITION, LARGELY 01:53.040 --> 01:53.280 align:start FROM THE INDIANA ASSOCIATION 01:53.280 --> 01:55.270 align:start OF BEVERAGE RETAILERS AND THE 01:55.270 --> 01:58.100 align:start LIQUOR STORES IT REPRESENTS. 01:58.100 --> 01:59.160 align:start IT CLAIMS DERMODY'S BILL WOULD 01:59.160 --> 02:02.040 align:start HURT ITS MEMBERS-SAYING 02:02.040 --> 02:03.040 align:start PACKAGE STORES HAVE SET UP 02:03.040 --> 02:04.040 align:start BUSINESS MODELS THE WAY THE 02:04.040 --> 02:05.000 align:start STATE HAS MANDATED - AND HAS 02:05.000 --> 02:06.140 align:start NO CAPACITY TO CHANGE 02:06.140 --> 02:07.150 align:start OVERNIGHT INTO A BIG BOX 02:07.190 --> 02:10.190 align:start RETAIL MODEL SELLING DIAPERS 02:10.190 --> 02:12.220 align:start AND MILK. 02:12.220 --> 02:13.120 align:start DERMODY SAYS THE BILL SHOULD 02:13.120 --> 02:14.200 align:start GET A READING SOON. 02:14.200 --> 02:15.080 align:start BUT WHETHER IT LEAVES 02:15.080 --> 02:16.080 align:start COMMITTEE AND EVENTUALLY 02:16.080 --> 02:17.030 align:start BECOMES LAW IS-AT THIS 02:17.030 --> 02:19.040 align:start POINT-ANYONE'S GUESS. 02:19.040 --> 02:20.090 align:start FOR "INDIANA LAWMAKERS", I'M 02:20.130 --> 02:23.130 align:start CHRISTOPHER AYERS. 02:23.130 --> 02:25.130 align:start THANKS, CHRISTOPHER. 02:25.130 --> 02:26.010 align:start ACK IN A MOMENT WITH OUR 02:26.010 --> 02:29.000 align:start ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION. 02:29.000 --> 02:29.240 align:start "INDIANA LAWMAKERS" FROM THE 03:04.120 --> 03:05.030 align:start DEPENDING ON WHOM YOU ASK, 03:05.030 --> 03:05.210 align:start INDIANA'S BAN ON SUNDAY 03:05.210 --> 03:06.100 align:start CARRYOUT SALES IS EITHER A 03:06.100 --> 03:06.280 align:start BULWARK AGAINST IMPAIRED 03:06.280 --> 03:07.190 align:start DRIVING, UNDERAGE CONSUMPTION 03:07.190 --> 03:08.100 align:start AND THE ONSLAUGHT OF FACELESS, 03:08.100 --> 03:09.000 align:start OUT-OF-STATE CORPORATIONS -- 03:09.000 --> 03:09.210 align:start OR -- A THROWBACK THAT STIFLES 03:09.210 --> 03:11.200 align:start COMPETITION, LIMITS CONSUMER 03:11.200 --> 03:12.180 align:start CHOICE AND HINDERS ECONOMIC 03:12.180 --> 03:14.210 align:start DEVELOPMENT. 03:14.210 --> 03:16.080 align:start HERE TO DISCUSS THE ISSUE ARE 03:16.080 --> 03:18.030 align:start REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE TOM 03:18.030 --> 03:18.270 align:start DERMODY OF LAPORTE, CHAIRMAN 03:19.260 --> 03:22.260 align:start OF THE HOUSE PUBLIC POLICY 03:22.260 --> 03:23.170 align:start COMMITTEE, REPUBLICAN SENATOR 03:23.170 --> 03:24.050 align:start RON ALTING OF LAFAYETTE, 03:24.050 --> 03:27.030 align:start CHAIRMAN OF THE SENATE PUBLIC 03:27.030 --> 03:27.220 align:start POLICY COMMITTEE, GRANT 03:27.220 --> 03:28.110 align:start MONAHAN, PRESIDENT OF THE 03:28.110 --> 03:29.020 align:start INDIANA RETAIL COUNCIL, WHICH 03:29.200 --> 03:32.200 align:start REPRESENTS GROCERY, DRUG AND 03:32.200 --> 03:33.090 align:start CONVENIENCE STORES, AND 03:33.090 --> 03:34.280 align:start PATRICK TAMM, PRESIDENT AND 03:34.280 --> 03:35.190 align:start CEO OF THE INDIANA ASSOCIATION 03:35.190 --> 03:36.090 align:start OF BEVERAGE RETAILERS, WHICH 03:36.090 --> 03:36.280 align:start REPRESENTS PACKAGE LIQUOR 03:36.280 --> 03:38.290 align:start STORES. 03:38.290 --> 03:40.100 align:start I WOULD SAY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 03:40.100 --> 03:42.250 align:start A SPIRITED DISCUSSION BUT THAT 03:42.250 --> 03:44.200 align:start WILL ELICIT MOANS AND GROANS BUT 03:44.200 --> 03:46.190 align:start I THINK WE'LL HAVE A LIVELY 03:46.190 --> 03:47.010 align:start DISCUSSION. 03:47.010 --> 03:48.020 align:start LET'S LEAVE IT THERE. 03:48.020 --> 03:50.170 align:start TOM DERMONDY, YOU ARE, OF 03:50.170 --> 03:51.080 align:start COURSE, SPONSORING LEGISLATION 03:51.080 --> 03:52.230 align:start THAT WOULD ROLL BACK OR ALTER, 03:52.230 --> 03:55.010 align:start AT LEAST, THE SUNDAY 03:55.010 --> 03:55.130 align:start PROHIBITION. 03:55.130 --> 03:56.080 align:start WHY NOW? 03:56.080 --> 03:57.060 align:start WELL, I THINK IT'S TIME. 03:57.060 --> 03:58.250 align:start YEAR AFTER YEAR WE'VE HAD AND 03:58.250 --> 04:00.170 align:start HEARD THE DISCUSSION ARE WE 04:00.170 --> 04:02.200 align:start GOING TO HAVE SUNDAY SALES OR 04:02.200 --> 04:03.140 align:start NOT, YOU KNOW, THE FOCUS OF THE 04:03.140 --> 04:05.000 align:start LEGISLATION THIS YEAR IS THE 04:05.000 --> 04:05.100 align:start BUDGET. 04:05.100 --> 04:07.050 align:start OUR CREATING JOBS, EDUCATION, 04:07.050 --> 04:09.080 align:start BUT WITH THE MEDIA, THEY'VE 04:09.080 --> 04:10.210 align:start SEEMED TO CREATE THIS SUNDAY 04:10.210 --> 04:12.040 align:start SALES EXPLOSION BUT I DO BELIEVE 04:12.040 --> 04:13.130 align:start IT'S TIME TO HAVE THE DEBATE, 04:13.130 --> 04:15.080 align:start I'M EXCITED ABOUT IT. 04:15.080 --> 04:16.170 align:start SO IT'S REALLY CERTAINLY, 04:16.170 --> 04:17.270 align:start THOUGH, THE FACT THAT YOUR NAME 04:17.270 --> 04:19.260 align:start IS ON IT SUGGESTS THAT YOU HAVE 04:19.260 --> 04:21.050 align:start MORE THAN A PASSING INTEREST IN 04:21.050 --> 04:22.080 align:start THE FATE OF THE BILL. 04:22.080 --> 04:23.280 align:start YOU'RE NOT DOING IT JUST FOR THE 04:23.280 --> 04:26.110 align:start SHEER SAKE OF PUBLIC DISCOURSE, 04:26.110 --> 04:27.160 align:start I PRESUME. 04:27.160 --> 04:28.100 align:start WELL, ACTUALLY, I'M CARRYING 04:28.100 --> 04:29.200 align:start IT SO THAT I CAN MAKE SURE WE 04:29.200 --> 04:30.200 align:start HAVE THE DEBATE. 04:30.200 --> 04:31.230 align:start AND, YOU KNOW, THIS BILL, WHEN 04:31.230 --> 04:33.160 align:start THE FINAL LANGUAGE IS PRESENTED, 04:33.160 --> 04:35.140 align:start IS GOING TO BE MORE THAN JUST 04:35.140 --> 04:37.040 align:start ABOUT SUNDAY SALES BUT THEN 04:37.040 --> 04:39.210 align:start ABOUT APPROPRIATE ARREST AS 04:39.210 --> 04:40.000 align:start WELL. 04:40.000 --> 04:41.290 align:start RON ALTING, THIS IS SORT OF 04:41.290 --> 04:44.010 align:start AN OLD TUNE, YOU'VE HEARD IT 04:44.010 --> 04:45.110 align:start BEFORE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY 04:45.110 --> 04:46.260 align:start YEARS NOW YOU'VE DECLINED TO 04:46.260 --> 04:48.040 align:start HEAR SIMILAR LEGISLATION IN YOUR 04:48.040 --> 04:48.150 align:start COMMITTEE. 04:48.150 --> 04:50.150 align:start THIS YEAR I'VE SEEN YOU QUOTED 04:50.150 --> 04:53.030 align:start AS SAYING -- YOU'VE USED THE 04:53.040 --> 04:56.040 align:start WORD "CONSIDERATION," WHICH IS A 04:56.040 --> 04:57.090 align:start DEPARTURE FROM PAST PRACTICE. 04:57.090 --> 04:59.160 align:start IS THIS THE YEAR? 04:59.160 --> 05:00.170 align:start WELL, CHAIRMAN DERMONDY HAS 05:00.170 --> 05:02.240 align:start DONE A GOOD JOB, HE'S ASKED ME 05:02.240 --> 05:04.270 align:start TO REVIEW SOME OF HIS WORDING IN 05:04.270 --> 05:07.060 align:start THE BILL, WE'VE WORKED A LITTLE 05:07.060 --> 05:08.190 align:start BIT TOGETHER ON THAT, AND I 05:08.190 --> 05:10.160 align:start THINK HE'S WORKED HARD, I THINK 05:10.160 --> 05:12.120 align:start HE'S GOT A BILL THAT'S GOING TO 05:12.120 --> 05:13.250 align:start BE FAIR AND SUCH A BILL THAT YOU 05:13.250 --> 05:16.220 align:start HAVE BILL BOX, YOU HAVE PACKAGE 05:16.220 --> 05:17.160 align:start LIQUOR STORES. 05:17.160 --> 05:19.280 align:start I MEAN, THERE'S NO SECRET I HAVE 05:19.280 --> 05:22.270 align:start BEEN OPPOSED TO THIS BILL IN THE 05:23.110 --> 05:26.110 align:start PAST, BUT I THINK THAT THE 05:26.110 --> 05:27.260 align:start SENATE MAJORITY HAS THE OPINION 05:27.260 --> 05:29.150 align:start AND LEADERSHIP HAS THE OPINION, 05:29.150 --> 05:30.290 align:start WITH MYSELF AS CHAIRMAN, THAT IF 05:31.040 --> 05:34.040 align:start IT DOES COME OUT OF THE HOUSE OF 05:34.040 --> 05:34.280 align:start REPRESENTATIVES, THE SENATE WILL 05:34.280 --> 05:37.060 align:start TAKE A STRONG LOOK AT GIVING A 05:37.060 --> 05:39.140 align:start HEARING ON THE BILL. 05:39.140 --> 05:42.020 align:start CHAIRMAN DERMONDY WILL PUT ME ON 05:42.020 --> 05:43.260 align:start IT SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT 05:43.260 --> 05:45.110 align:start THE SENATE WOULD TAKE A PEEK AT 05:45.110 --> 05:45.190 align:start IT. 05:45.190 --> 05:47.020 align:start SO THAT MEANS YOU'RE INCLINED 05:47.020 --> 05:48.260 align:start TO GIVE IT A HEARING. 05:48.260 --> 05:49.080 align:start YEAH. 05:49.080 --> 05:50.000 align:start ALL RIGHT, WELL, A LITTLE 05:50.000 --> 05:50.230 align:start NEWS THERE. 05:50.230 --> 05:52.080 align:start I THINK THAT'S AS DEFINITIVE AS 05:52.080 --> 05:53.230 align:start YOU'VE BEEN SO WE'LL TAKE THAT 05:53.230 --> 05:54.290 align:start TO THE BANK. 05:54.290 --> 05:57.020 align:start GRANT MONAHAN, MUSIC TO YOUR 05:57.020 --> 05:57.110 align:start EARS? 05:57.110 --> 05:58.070 align:start VERY MUCH SO. 05:58.070 --> 05:58.170 align:start YES. 05:58.170 --> 05:58.250 align:start YES. 05:59.260 --> 06:02.280 align:start WE'RE PLEASED TO HAVE THE TWO 06:02.280 --> 06:04.250 align:start CHAIRMEN THE PUBLIC POLICIES 06:04.250 --> 06:07.000 align:start AUTHOR TO MAKE A HEARING ON THE 06:07.000 --> 06:08.020 align:start BILL IN THE SENATE. 06:08.020 --> 06:09.090 align:start THE CONSUMERS ARE ANXIOUS FOR 06:09.150 --> 06:12.150 align:start THE MODERNIZATION OF THIS LAW TO 06:12.150 --> 06:14.200 align:start ALLOW THEM THE ABILITY TO 06:14.200 --> 06:15.120 align:start PURCHASE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES ON 06:15.120 --> 06:16.040 align:start SUNDAY WHEN THEY'RE DOING THE 06:16.040 --> 06:17.290 align:start REST OF THEIR GROCERY SHOPPING. 06:17.290 --> 06:19.270 align:start THIS IS CERTAINLY A GOOD STEP IN 06:19.270 --> 06:20.240 align:start THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND WE HAVE 06:20.240 --> 06:23.070 align:start A LONG WAY TO GO, WE KNOW THAT, 06:23.070 --> 06:24.120 align:start BUT WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THE 06:24.120 --> 06:25.090 align:start PUBLIC DEBATE. 06:25.090 --> 06:27.060 align:start HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE 06:27.060 --> 06:27.160 align:start TIMING? 06:27.160 --> 06:28.270 align:start YOUR ORGANIZATION, OF COURSE, 06:28.270 --> 06:30.210 align:start YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS IN 06:30.210 --> 06:32.030 align:start SOME WAY SHAPE OR FORM FOR A 06:32.030 --> 06:33.030 align:start NUMBER OF YEARS. 06:33.030 --> 06:33.160 align:start RIGHT. 06:33.160 --> 06:35.120 align:start BACK IN DECEMBER WE SAW THE 06:35.120 --> 06:36.210 align:start CREATION OF A NEW COALITION THAT 06:36.210 --> 06:37.240 align:start YOU'RE INVOLVED WITH WITH 06:38.060 --> 06:41.060 align:start HOOSIERS FOR SUNDAY SALES. 06:42.140 --> 06:45.140 align:start TO ELICIT SUPPORT OR GIN UP 06:45.140 --> 06:45.240 align:start SUPPORT. 06:45.240 --> 06:47.060 align:start IS THAT KIND OF THING MAKING A 06:47.290 --> 06:50.290 align:start DIFFERENCE OR THE TIME HAS COME 06:50.290 --> 06:52.180 align:start FORTH, MARKET FORCES HAVE 06:52.180 --> 06:54.090 align:start DICTATED THIS TO BE HEARD NOW. 06:54.090 --> 06:55.130 align:start I THINK THERE'S A VARIETY OF 06:55.130 --> 06:56.230 align:start THINGS THAT HAVE SORT OF FALLEN 06:56.230 --> 06:57.170 align:start IN PLACE. 06:57.170 --> 06:59.080 align:start YOU'RE RIGHT, WE'VE BEEN 06:59.080 --> 07:00.140 align:start PURSUING THIS LEGISLATION SINCE 07:00.140 --> 07:00.230 align:start 2008. 07:00.230 --> 07:03.010 align:start SINCE THAT TIME WE'VE HAD THE 07:03.010 --> 07:04.100 align:start OPPORTUNITY TO EDUCATE 07:04.100 --> 07:05.140 align:start LEGISLATORS MORE ON THIS ISSUE. 07:05.140 --> 07:07.130 align:start I THINK WE'VE HELPED THEM TO 07:07.130 --> 07:08.130 align:start FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THE 07:08.190 --> 07:11.190 align:start CHANGE THAT WE'RE SEEKING AND 07:11.190 --> 07:13.210 align:start THE PUBLIC HAS WEIGHED IN AND 07:13.210 --> 07:15.230 align:start THE MEDIA HAS WEIGHED IN HEAVILY 07:15.230 --> 07:16.290 align:start AS YOU'VE MENTIONED AND WE'VE 07:16.290 --> 07:18.190 align:start HAD THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE 07:18.190 --> 07:20.130 align:start SIGNED AN ONLINE PETITION IN 07:20.130 --> 07:21.200 align:start SUPPORT OF SUNDAY SALES. 07:21.200 --> 07:24.080 align:start WE GET SUPPORT EVERYWHERE WE GO. 07:24.080 --> 07:26.240 align:start AND I THINK IT IS THE TIME TO 07:26.240 --> 07:29.150 align:start FINALLY PASS LEGISLATION TO 07:29.150 --> 07:31.040 align:start PERMIT SUNDAY SALES. 07:31.040 --> 07:32.010 align:start PATRICK TAMM SOMETHING TELLS 07:32.010 --> 07:33.210 align:start ME YOU'RE GOING TO TALK THE 07:33.210 --> 07:34.240 align:start OPPOSITE VIEW HERE. 07:34.240 --> 07:36.030 align:start I'M GUESSING YOU WOULD SAY THIS 07:36.030 --> 07:38.050 align:start IS NOT THE TIME, AND WHY IS 07:38.050 --> 07:38.220 align:start THAT? 07:38.220 --> 07:39.090 align:start SURE. 07:39.090 --> 07:40.030 align:start INDIANA, AND ALL STATES 07:40.030 --> 07:41.060 align:start THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, HAVE 07:41.060 --> 07:42.280 align:start REALLY CRAFTED THEIR ALCOHOL 07:42.280 --> 07:44.270 align:start REGULATIONS FOR THE 21st 07:44.270 --> 07:45.080 align:start AMENDMENT. 07:45.280 --> 07:48.280 align:start INDIANA CREATED A FRAMEWORK, 07:48.280 --> 07:49.210 align:start ARREST AND LEGISLATION THAT 07:49.210 --> 07:50.240 align:start EDUCATIONAL CREATED A BUSINESS 07:50.240 --> 07:52.180 align:start MODEL THAT CREATED PACKAGE 07:52.180 --> 07:54.060 align:start STORES, PACKAGE STORES DIDN'T 07:54.060 --> 07:55.090 align:start CREATE THEMSELVES AND WE'VE 07:55.090 --> 07:57.080 align:start BUILT OUR BUSINESSES BASED ON 07:57.080 --> 07:58.230 align:start THAT FRAMEWORK AND THOSE LAWS 07:58.230 --> 07:59.180 align:start AND REGULATIONS. 07:59.180 --> 08:00.200 align:start WE RELIED ON THOSE. 08:00.200 --> 08:03.000 align:start WE'RE VERY RESTRICTED IN TERMS 08:03.000 --> 08:04.290 align:start OF WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT DO. 08:04.290 --> 08:05.190 align:start THAT'S FINE. 08:05.190 --> 08:07.210 align:start WE TOOK THAT BARGAIN WHEN THE 08:07.210 --> 08:10.040 align:start STATE SET UP THE PACKAGE STORE 08:10.040 --> 08:10.150 align:start INDUSTRY. 08:10.150 --> 08:12.130 align:start THIS IS AN INDUSTRY THAT CREATED 08:12.130 --> 08:14.070 align:start BY LEGISLATION AND REGULATION. 08:14.070 --> 08:15.150 align:start GRANT JUST TALKED ABOUT, YOU 08:16.190 --> 08:19.190 align:start KNOW, TRYING TO GET CONTINUED 08:19.190 --> 08:19.290 align:start SUPPORT. 08:19.290 --> 08:22.190 align:start YOU KNOW, THIS IS A TOTAL 08:22.190 --> 08:24.190 align:start EFFORT, FINANCE-BACKED AGAIN 08:24.190 --> 08:25.100 align:start AND, AGAIN, AND AGAIN. 08:25.100 --> 08:26.230 align:start THIS IS NOT A NEW EFFORT, THIS 08:26.230 --> 08:29.070 align:start IS JUST A REBRAND OF WHAT 08:29.070 --> 08:31.130 align:start WALMART, KROGER AND THE BIG-BOX 08:31.130 --> 08:32.190 align:start GUYS ARE SPENDING MILLIONS OF 08:32.190 --> 08:34.280 align:start DOLLARS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY 08:34.280 --> 08:36.040 align:start TO DEREGULATE THE SALE OF 08:36.040 --> 08:36.140 align:start ALCOHOL. 08:36.140 --> 08:38.020 align:start WE DON'T BELIEVE ALCOHOL SHOULD 08:38.020 --> 08:39.280 align:start BE SOLD IN A DEREGULATED 08:39.280 --> 08:40.100 align:start ENVIRONMENT. 08:40.100 --> 08:42.130 align:start IT SHOULD BE SOLD IN A REGULATED 08:42.130 --> 08:42.250 align:start ENVIRONMENT. 08:42.250 --> 08:45.010 align:start I'VE HEARD THIS SO MANY TIMES 08:45.010 --> 08:47.280 align:start THAT DAVID GOLIATH COMPARISON 08:47.280 --> 08:50.210 align:start BUT I CAN NEVER TELL WHICH IS 08:50.210 --> 08:51.240 align:start WHICH BECAUSE CLEARLY YOUR 08:51.240 --> 08:53.050 align:start ORGANIZATION IS LARGELY SMALL 08:53.050 --> 08:55.110 align:start AND BY DEFINITION, 08:55.110 --> 08:55.240 align:start INDIANA-OWNED. 08:55.240 --> 08:56.280 align:start YOU'RE TELLING ME WALMART'S 08:56.280 --> 08:57.290 align:start THE UNDERDOG? 08:57.290 --> 08:59.090 align:start WELL, YOU HAVE A LOT OF 08:59.090 --> 09:00.220 align:start CLOUT, YOU TRADITIONALLY HAVE 09:01.010 --> 09:04.010 align:start HAD A LOT OF CLOUT, THOUGH. 09:04.010 --> 09:05.200 align:start WE REPRESENT INDIANA SMALL 09:05.200 --> 09:07.010 align:start BUSINESS OWNERS WHICH BY LAW 09:07.010 --> 09:09.050 align:start MUST BE INDIANA SMALL BUSINESS 09:09.050 --> 09:10.060 align:start OWNERS, BY LAW REQUIRED TO BE 09:10.060 --> 09:10.260 align:start INDIANA RESIDENTS. 09:10.260 --> 09:12.170 align:start IF YOU'RE GOING TO TELL ME 09:12.170 --> 09:14.020 align:start WALMART'S THE UNDERDOG WE'RE THE 09:14.020 --> 09:15.170 align:start ONLY STATE I THINK THAT WOULD 09:15.170 --> 09:16.040 align:start SAY THAT. 09:16.040 --> 09:18.210 align:start I WOULD AGREE THAT -- AND 09:18.210 --> 09:19.090 align:start THAT'S ABSURD. 09:19.090 --> 09:21.190 align:start AND IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE 09:21.190 --> 09:23.260 align:start MOST -- AGAIN, THIS SUBJECT, 09:23.260 --> 09:25.210 align:start THERE'S FACTS IN THIS AND THEN 09:25.210 --> 09:26.200 align:start THERE'S NONFACTS. 09:26.200 --> 09:28.190 align:start AND WHEN I WAS INTERVIEWED IN 09:28.190 --> 09:30.170 align:start LAFAYETTE, INDIANA, ABOUT THE 09:30.170 --> 09:33.160 align:start POWERFUL LOBBYISTS OF THE 09:33.160 --> 09:34.130 align:start PACKAGE LIQUOR STORE. 09:34.130 --> 09:35.280 align:start HE'S IT. 09:35.280 --> 09:36.200 align:start ONE GUY. 09:36.200 --> 09:39.160 align:start DO I NEED TO TELL YOU HOW MANY 09:39.160 --> 09:41.070 align:start LOBBYISTS THAT WALMART HAS, THAT 09:41.070 --> 09:43.280 align:start KROGER'S HAS, THAT BIG BOX HAS, 09:43.280 --> 09:45.070 align:start THAT CONVENIENCE STORES HAS? 09:45.070 --> 09:47.190 align:start ARE YOU TRYING TO TELL ME THAT 09:47.190 --> 09:50.010 align:start CAROL CASEY AND SOME OF THESE 09:50.010 --> 09:51.010 align:start SMALL BUSINESS PEOPLE IN 09:51.010 --> 09:52.160 align:start LAFAYETTE, INDIANA THAT I'VE 09:52.160 --> 09:54.170 align:start KNOWN MY WHOLE LIFE, JUST 09:54.170 --> 09:55.130 align:start HARD-WORKING INDIVIDUALS ARE 09:55.130 --> 09:57.280 align:start MORE POWERFUL THAN A BIG BOX, A 09:57.280 --> 09:58.080 align:start WALMART? 09:58.080 --> 10:00.080 align:start YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDIN' ME. 10:00.270 --> 10:03.270 align:start AND THE PRESS IS ONE, MY FEELING 10:03.270 --> 10:06.070 align:start IS VERY SIMPLE, THE REASON IT 10:06.070 --> 10:08.090 align:start HASN'T GOTTEN A HEARING AND THE 10:08.090 --> 10:10.150 align:start RECENT IT HASN'T WENT IN IS 10:10.150 --> 10:11.250 align:start MAYBE BECAUSE IT'S BEEN THE 10:12.010 --> 10:15.010 align:start RIGHT THING. 10:15.010 --> 10:17.030 align:start YOU KNOW, IT'S -- WE'RE NOT 10:17.030 --> 10:19.210 align:start DOING THIS, I'M NOT DOING THIS 10:20.090 --> 10:23.090 align:start FOR THE BIG-BOX STORES OR THE 10:23.090 --> 10:24.120 align:start PACKAGE LIQUOR STORES. 10:24.120 --> 10:25.240 align:start THESE TWO GROUPS NEED TO BE 10:25.240 --> 10:26.190 align:start ENGAGED IN THIS ISSUE. 10:26.190 --> 10:28.060 align:start AND THE SENATOR AND I ARE 10:28.060 --> 10:29.150 align:start WORKING VERY CLOSELY ON IT AND I 10:29.150 --> 10:30.270 align:start THINK BY THE END OF SESSION IF 10:30.270 --> 10:32.110 align:start THEY'RE A LITTLE UNHAPPY, 10:32.110 --> 10:34.100 align:start THEY'RE A LITTLE UNHAPPY WE 10:34.100 --> 10:35.180 align:start MIGHT HAVE GREAT LEGISLATION BUT 10:35.180 --> 10:36.270 align:start HOOSIERS ARE TALKING TO ME, 10:36.270 --> 10:38.190 align:start PEOPLE ARE TALKING TO ME SAYING 10:38.190 --> 10:40.290 align:start ISN'T IT TIME TO MODERNIZE? 10:40.290 --> 10:42.250 align:start WE HAVE SUNDAY SALES NOW, LET'S 10:42.250 --> 10:43.260 align:start NOT KID OURSELVES. 10:43.260 --> 10:45.290 align:start WE CAN GO TO A BREWERY AND 10:45.290 --> 10:46.100 align:start CARRYOUT. 10:46.100 --> 10:49.040 align:start YOU CAN GO TO A WINERY AND CARRY 10:49.040 --> 10:49.120 align:start OUT. 10:49.120 --> 10:50.230 align:start YOU CAN GO TO A RESTAURANT, 10:50.230 --> 10:52.030 align:start DRINK AT A RESTAURANT AND DRIVE 10:52.030 --> 10:53.200 align:start HOME AND YOU CAN GO TO A 10:53.200 --> 10:55.180 align:start STADIUM, DRINK, WATCH A GAME, 10:55.180 --> 10:57.030 align:start AND DRIVE HOME, BUT YOU CAN'T GO 10:57.030 --> 10:58.210 align:start AND CARRY OUT WHAT YOU CAN DO 10:58.210 --> 11:00.090 align:start SIX OTHER DAYS OF THE WEEK AND 11:00.090 --> 11:02.250 align:start CARRY HOME AND DRINK SAFELY. 11:02.250 --> 11:04.220 align:start I KNOW YOU'VE ALL SORT OF 11:04.220 --> 11:05.220 align:start ALLUDED TO THE NOTION OF THIS 11:06.190 --> 11:09.190 align:start BILL EVOLVING AND MOVING, NOAJ I 11:09.190 --> 11:11.070 align:start THINK SAID THE WORD COMPROMISE I 11:11.070 --> 11:12.180 align:start THINK BUT THAT WAS THE STRONG 11:12.180 --> 11:14.020 align:start SUGGESTION AND THERE ARE 11:14.020 --> 11:16.210 align:start LIMITATIONS IN THE BILL NOW, I 11:16.210 --> 11:18.180 align:start GUESS, THE HOURS AS IT STANDS 11:18.180 --> 11:21.160 align:start NOW 10 A.M. TO 6 P.M. 11:21.160 --> 11:23.180 align:start I SUPPOSE THAT COULD SHIFT NOW 11:23.180 --> 11:25.090 align:start BETWEEN NOW AND THE ULTIMATE 11:25.090 --> 11:26.270 align:start DECISION IF THIS BILL PREVAILS 11:26.270 --> 11:27.270 align:start OR NOT. 11:27.270 --> 11:30.150 align:start ALSO YOU WOULD GET LIQUOR STORE 11:30.150 --> 11:31.290 align:start OWNERS WHO TRADITIONAL HAVE A 11:31.290 --> 11:33.270 align:start SMALL NUMBER OF ITEMS THAT THEY 11:33.270 --> 11:35.060 align:start COULD SELL EXPAND THAT IN HOPES 11:35.060 --> 11:37.060 align:start OF GIVING THEM OTHER PRODUCT, 11:37.060 --> 11:38.210 align:start REVENUE STREAMS, IS THAT THE 11:38.210 --> 11:39.000 align:start IDEA? 11:39.000 --> 11:39.290 align:start WELL, I'VE HEARD THAT FROM 11:39.290 --> 11:42.150 align:start SOME MEMBERS AND PACKAGE LIQUOR 11:42.150 --> 11:43.280 align:start STORES IN THE PAST AND IT'S BEEN 11:43.280 --> 11:46.060 align:start MADE CLEAR TO ME AND PATRICK 11:46.060 --> 11:47.130 align:start WILL AGREE THAT THEY DON'T WANT 11:47.130 --> 11:47.270 align:start THAT. 11:47.270 --> 11:48.270 align:start FINE, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT 11:48.270 --> 11:50.090 align:start OUT OF THE BILL, WE'RE GOING TO 11:50.090 --> 11:51.220 align:start REVIEW THE HOURS BUT I THINK THE 11:51.220 --> 11:53.120 align:start OTHER IMPORTANT PART OF IT AND 11:53.120 --> 11:54.230 align:start PATRICK BRINGS UP A POINT THAT 11:54.230 --> 11:56.070 align:start THEY HAVE CERTAIN REGULATIONS 11:56.070 --> 11:58.110 align:start THAT THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW TO SELL 11:58.110 --> 11:59.200 align:start THE ALCOHOL, I THINK -- 11:59.230 --> 12:02.250 align:start THE TRAINING OF STAFF. 12:02.250 --> 12:04.190 align:start TRAINING OF WHO CAN WALK IN 12:04.190 --> 12:05.150 align:start THE STORE. 12:05.150 --> 12:07.160 align:start AND IT'S GREAT REACTION AND THEY 12:07.160 --> 12:08.050 align:start FOLLOW GREAT RULES. 12:08.050 --> 12:10.040 align:start I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT 12:10.040 --> 12:11.160 align:start ACROSS THE BOARD, WHOEVER IS 12:11.160 --> 12:12.280 align:start CARRYING ALCOHOL AND OFFERING 12:12.280 --> 12:14.010 align:start ALCOHOL AND BE RESPONSIBLE AND 12:14.010 --> 12:15.070 align:start THAT'S THE KEY POINT HERE. 12:15.070 --> 12:16.100 align:start I THINK THE SUNDAY SALES IS 12:16.100 --> 12:18.200 align:start GOING TO END UP BEING A SIDE 12:18.200 --> 12:20.220 align:start POINT OF THIS BILL BUT IT'S AN 12:20.220 --> 12:23.010 align:start OPPORTUNITY FOR US IN INDIANA TO 12:23.010 --> 12:24.210 align:start SAY, HEY, WHAT IS APPROPRIATE 12:24.210 --> 12:25.020 align:start REACTION. 12:25.020 --> 12:26.190 align:start PALLET TRICK TAMM, IS THERE 12:26.190 --> 12:28.270 align:start NOTHING IN THERE THAT YOU FIND 12:28.270 --> 12:30.070 align:start AS POTENTIAL MIDDLE GROUND? 12:30.070 --> 12:31.060 align:start APPARENTLY THERE'S NOT AN 12:31.060 --> 12:33.210 align:start INTEREST IN EXPANDING THE -- 12:33.210 --> 12:35.210 align:start I THINK THE CHAIRMEN SUMMED 12:35.210 --> 12:38.000 align:start UP OUR CONVERSATIONS PRETTY 12:38.000 --> 12:38.120 align:start SUCCINCTLY. 12:38.120 --> 12:40.020 align:start WE CAN'T CHANGE OUR BUSINESS 12:40.020 --> 12:40.180 align:start MODEL OVERNIGHT. 12:40.180 --> 12:43.090 align:start WE BY LAW, ARE NOT BE ABLE TO 12:43.090 --> 12:45.190 align:start LOCATED IN UNINCORPORATED AREAS. 12:45.190 --> 12:48.000 align:start WE CAN ONLY SELL 10 COMMODITY -- 12:48.000 --> 12:49.070 align:start IT'S A COMMODITY LIST, 10 TIMES 12:49.070 --> 12:50.140 align:start ARE ON IT. 12:50.140 --> 12:51.270 align:start WE CAN'T CHANGE OUR MODEL 12:51.270 --> 12:52.080 align:start OVERNIGHT. 12:52.290 --> 12:55.290 align:start WE HAVE 5,000 SQUARE FEET 12:55.290 --> 12:57.150 align:start STORES, 2500 SQUARE FEET STORES, 12:57.150 --> 12:58.170 align:start MAYBE LARGER HERE AND THERE. 12:58.170 --> 13:01.120 align:start WHAT ARE WE GOING TO TAKE OUT OF 13:01.120 --> 13:03.160 align:start OUR STORES AND HAVE KELLOGG'S 13:03.160 --> 13:05.020 align:start CALL ON US. 13:05.020 --> 13:07.110 align:start WALMART'S PUT OUT THOSE STORES 13:07.110 --> 13:07.210 align:start ALREADY. 13:07.210 --> 13:09.020 align:start WE'VE RELIED ON THE BILL THAT WE 13:09.020 --> 13:11.090 align:start SELL ALCOHOL, THAT'S WHAT WE 13:11.090 --> 13:12.190 align:start SELL. 13:12.190 --> 13:13.030 align:start GRANT -- 13:13.030 --> 13:14.040 align:start HOW CAN I SIT HERE AND LISTEN 13:14.040 --> 13:16.070 align:start TO THAT STUFF AND BELIEVE A 13:16.070 --> 13:18.290 align:start SINGLE WORD OF IT? 13:18.290 --> 13:20.110 align:start THESE LIQUOR STORE OWNERS HAVE 13:20.110 --> 13:22.080 align:start BEEN HIDING BEHIND INDIANA LAW 13:22.080 --> 13:23.250 align:start FOR DECADES AND THEY CONTINUE TO 13:23.250 --> 13:24.230 align:start DO SO. 13:24.230 --> 13:26.280 align:start THEY SAY THEY DON'T LIKE THE 13:26.280 --> 13:28.100 align:start COMMODITY RESTRICTION, BUT THEY 13:28.100 --> 13:30.040 align:start REALLY END UP DON'T WANT IT. 13:30.040 --> 13:32.280 align:start THEY SAY THEY CAN'T CHANGE THEIR 13:32.280 --> 13:33.070 align:start MODEL. 13:33.070 --> 13:34.010 align:start YES, THEY CAN. 13:34.010 --> 13:35.220 align:start RETAILING IS DYNAMIC AND IT'S 13:35.220 --> 13:37.070 align:start ALWAYS CHANGING AND OUR MEMBERS 13:37.070 --> 13:39.220 align:start ARE ALWAYS OUT THERE DOING 13:39.220 --> 13:41.040 align:start WHATEVER THEY CAN TO SERVE THEIR 13:41.040 --> 13:42.230 align:start CUSTOMERS BETTER AND LIQUOR 13:42.230 --> 13:43.240 align:start STORE OWNERS OUGHT TO BE DOING 13:43.240 --> 13:45.040 align:start THE SAME. 13:45.040 --> 13:46.160 align:start AND I THINK REPRESENTATIVE 13:46.160 --> 13:48.150 align:start DERMONDY'S BILL WILL GIVE THEM 13:48.150 --> 13:50.220 align:start THAT OPPORTUNITY TO FINALLY STEP 13:50.220 --> 13:53.000 align:start IN THE 21st CENTURY, SERVE THE 13:53.000 --> 13:54.080 align:start CUSTOMER, SERVE THE CUSTOMER 13:54.080 --> 13:56.060 align:start SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, AND I BELIEVE 13:57.000 --> 14:00.020 align:start THAT A RISING WILL SELL BOATS, 14:00.020 --> 14:01.200 align:start THAT LIQUOR STORE OWNERS WILL 14:01.200 --> 14:04.030 align:start PROFIT FROM THIS IN TERMS OF 14:04.030 --> 14:06.290 align:start INCREASED SALES AND INCREASED 14:06.290 --> 14:07.170 align:start OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE THE 14:07.170 --> 14:09.260 align:start CUSTOMER AS MUCH AS OUR MEMBERS 14:09.260 --> 14:10.050 align:start WILL. 14:10.050 --> 14:12.020 align:start RON ALL CONTINUING DO YOU 14:12.020 --> 14:13.290 align:start BELIEVE EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE 14:14.290 --> 14:17.290 align:start NIMBLE AND AGILE IN THIS 21st 14:17.290 --> 14:20.050 align:start CENTURY ECONOMY? 14:20.050 --> 14:22.050 align:start THE DEBATE AS AN ECONOMIC 14:22.050 --> 14:23.230 align:start DEVELOPMENT BILL IS FALSE AND, 14:23.230 --> 14:25.170 align:start AGAIN, IT'S ONE OF THE FALLS 14:25.170 --> 14:26.110 align:start STATEMENTS OUT THERE. 14:26.110 --> 14:27.280 align:start IT MIGHT BE FOR BIG BOX, 14:27.280 --> 14:29.100 align:start OBVIOUSLY, AND IT WILL BE 14:29.100 --> 14:30.180 align:start BECAUSE IT'S A BIG SHOPPING DAY 14:30.180 --> 14:31.060 align:start FOR THEM. 14:31.060 --> 14:33.020 align:start BUT IN TERMS OF THE STATE AND 14:33.020 --> 14:34.090 align:start WHAT IT'S GOING TO BRING IN, 14:34.090 --> 14:36.190 align:start I'VE BEEN A CHAIRMAN -- 14:36.190 --> 14:37.050 align:start TAX -- 14:37.050 --> 14:38.050 align:start I'VE BEEN AROUND. 14:38.050 --> 14:39.250 align:start (OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS). 14:39.250 --> 14:41.230 align:start THE QUESTION HAS ALWAYS BEEN 14:41.230 --> 14:43.190 align:start WHY HASN'T THE FIRST HERE EVER 14:44.010 --> 14:47.010 align:start COME TO THE CHAIRMAN MILLER, 14:47.010 --> 14:48.080 align:start COORS, BUDWEISER IN ST. LOUIS 14:48.080 --> 14:50.100 align:start AND SAY WE REALLY SUPPORT SUNDAY 14:50.100 --> 14:50.190 align:start SALES. 14:50.190 --> 14:53.020 align:start WE'D LIKE FOR YOU TO HEAR THAT 14:53.020 --> 14:53.110 align:start BILL? 14:53.110 --> 14:54.100 align:start THEY NEVER HAVE. 14:54.100 --> 14:55.230 align:start AND THE REASON THEY HAVEN'T IN 14:55.230 --> 14:57.010 align:start MY CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM 14:57.010 --> 14:58.080 align:start BECAUSE STATES THAT HAVE DONE 14:58.080 --> 15:00.210 align:start THIS, THEY SELL -- THEY SELL THE 15:00.210 --> 15:02.010 align:start SAME AMOUNT IN SIX DAYS AS THEY 15:02.010 --> 15:04.040 align:start DO IN SEVEN SO THE SALES DOESN'T 15:04.040 --> 15:05.120 align:start GO UP ANYWHERE. 15:05.120 --> 15:06.240 align:start THAT'S ONE REASON WHY YOU'VE 15:06.240 --> 15:08.120 align:start NEVER HEARD OF -- YOU'RE NOT 15:08.120 --> 15:11.050 align:start GOING TO HEAR THEM TESTIFY IN 15:11.050 --> 15:12.070 align:start CHAIRMAN DERMONDY'S COMMITTEE 15:12.070 --> 15:13.020 align:start NOR IN THE SENATE. 15:13.020 --> 15:15.140 align:start SO IN TERMS OF IT BEING AN 15:15.140 --> 15:17.160 align:start ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BILL, IT'S 15:17.160 --> 15:18.050 align:start NOT. 15:18.050 --> 15:19.080 align:start CONVENIENCE? 15:19.080 --> 15:19.200 align:start ABSOLUTELY. 15:19.200 --> 15:21.050 align:start AND I THINK THAT THIS IS ONE 15:21.050 --> 15:22.210 align:start REASON THIS IS FINALLY GOT AS 15:22.210 --> 15:24.220 align:start FAR AS IT HAS, BECAUSE THEY HAVE 15:26.000 --> 15:29.000 align:start BEEN BEATEN THE DOOR ON SO LONG 15:29.000 --> 15:30.020 align:start THAT THIS IS ECONOMIC 15:30.020 --> 15:30.260 align:start DEVELOPMENT, ECONOMIC 15:30.260 --> 15:31.080 align:start DEVELOPMENT. 15:31.080 --> 15:32.140 align:start AND MOST LEGISLATORS UNDERSTAND 15:32.140 --> 15:33.050 align:start IT'S NOT. 15:33.240 --> 15:36.240 align:start BUT WHAT YOU CANNOT ARGUE IS 15:36.240 --> 15:38.050 align:start THAT IT IS CONVENIENCE. 15:38.050 --> 15:39.230 align:start THAT'S WHEN THE CONSUMER IS 15:39.230 --> 15:41.170 align:start SHOPPING ON SUNDAY AND IT IS 15:41.170 --> 15:42.280 align:start CONVENIENT FOR THEM. 15:42.280 --> 15:44.290 align:start AND THAT'S A VALID POINT. 15:44.290 --> 15:46.160 align:start IT CERTAINLY IS A VALID POINT 15:46.160 --> 15:49.060 align:start AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO 15:49.060 --> 15:51.020 align:start BEAT THAT DRUM, SENATOR. 15:51.020 --> 15:53.040 align:start BUT AT THE SAME TIME YOU'VE GOT 15:53.040 --> 15:54.280 align:start 10 -- ONE-THIRD OF THE STATE'S 15:54.280 --> 15:56.180 align:start POPULATION, A LITTLE OVER 15:56.180 --> 15:58.160 align:start 2 MILLION PEOPLE LIVE IN BORDER 15:58.160 --> 15:59.280 align:start COUNTIES THAT BORDER STATES THAT 15:59.280 --> 16:01.080 align:start PERMIT SUNDAY SALES AND THOSE 16:01.080 --> 16:02.190 align:start PEOPLE ARE CROSSING THE STATE 16:02.190 --> 16:04.080 align:start LINE ON SUNDAY AND THEY'RE 16:04.080 --> 16:06.070 align:start BUYING THAT ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES 16:06.070 --> 16:06.240 align:start OUT OF STATE. 16:06.240 --> 16:09.240 align:start AND WE ARGUE THAT THEY'RE 16:09.240 --> 16:10.250 align:start TARIKING THEIR ENTIRE SHOPPING 16:10.250 --> 16:12.230 align:start LIST WITH THEM WHEN THEY DO 16:12.230 --> 16:13.020 align:start THAT. 16:13.020 --> 16:15.210 align:start I THINK THERE IS AN ECONOMIC 16:15.210 --> 16:16.170 align:start DEVELOPMENT COMPONENT TO THIS. 16:16.170 --> 16:19.020 align:start I THINK IT SAYS A LOT ABOUT WHAT 16:19.020 --> 16:21.150 align:start THE STATE CAN DO TO HELP 16:21.150 --> 16:23.170 align:start RETAILING CONTINUE TO GROW IN 16:23.170 --> 16:25.090 align:start THIS STATE BY BRINGING THOSE 16:25.090 --> 16:26.120 align:start PEOPLE BACK HOME ON SUNDAY 16:26.120 --> 16:27.290 align:start RATHER THAN FORCING THEM TO GO 16:27.290 --> 16:29.050 align:start OUT OF STATE TO MAKE THEIR 16:29.050 --> 16:29.240 align:start PURCHASES. 16:29.240 --> 16:30.080 align:start GRANT -- 16:30.080 --> 16:31.070 align:start THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING YOU 16:31.070 --> 16:33.070 align:start SAY IS WE HAVE 92 COUNTIES, SO 16:33.070 --> 16:35.090 align:start WE SHOULD DO PUBLIC POLICY BASED 16:35.090 --> 16:37.070 align:start UPON THREE -- POSSIBLY THREE OR 16:37.070 --> 16:38.240 align:start FOUR COUNTIES THAT IS IN OUR 16:38.240 --> 16:40.140 align:start BORDER STATES. 16:40.140 --> 16:42.170 align:start GRANT, THE -- YOU TALK 16:42.170 --> 16:42.270 align:start ABOUT -- 16:42.270 --> 16:44.230 align:start DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. 16:44.230 --> 16:46.200 align:start 34 BORDER COUNTIES THAT 16:46.200 --> 16:47.200 align:start BORDER INDIANA THAT BORDER 16:47.200 --> 16:49.260 align:start STATES THAT PERMIT SUNDAY SALES. 16:49.260 --> 16:51.290 align:start AND I THINK THOSE PEOPLE ARE 16:51.290 --> 16:53.170 align:start CROSSING THE STATE LINE TO 16:53.170 --> 16:54.050 align:start PURCHASE ON SUNDAY. 16:54.050 --> 16:55.150 align:start IT WOULD BE BETTER IF THOSE 16:55.150 --> 16:56.180 align:start SALES WERE RUNNING UP IN INDIANA 16:56.180 --> 16:58.200 align:start THAN IN OHIO OR MICHIGAN. 16:58.200 --> 16:59.200 align:start LET'S TALK ABOUT THOSE 16:59.200 --> 17:00.020 align:start STATES. 17:00.020 --> 17:01.280 align:start THEY'RE ALL LOCAL OPTION, GRANT. 17:01.280 --> 17:03.020 align:start ALL LOCAL OPTION SUNDAY SALES. 17:03.020 --> 17:05.090 align:start YOU STILL HAVE DRY COUNTIES IN 17:05.090 --> 17:05.200 align:start KENTUCKY. 17:05.200 --> 17:07.130 align:start YOU STILL HAVE DRY COUNTIES IN 17:07.130 --> 17:07.240 align:start ILLINOIS. 17:07.240 --> 17:09.130 align:start YOU HAVE REFERENDUMS IN OHIO 17:09.240 --> 17:12.240 align:start THAT KROGER WAS JUST FOUND 17:15.180 --> 17:18.180 align:start INDICTED BECAUSE YOU HAD INVALID 17:19.080 --> 17:22.080 align:start SIGNATURES SO YOU WANT TO 17:22.080 --> 17:24.200 align:start ESLOWED ALCOHOL, GRANT. 17:24.200 --> 17:26.240 align:start THEY'RE LOCAL OPTION. 17:26.240 --> 17:28.030 align:start DISCUS, LOOK AT YOUR OWN MAP, 17:28.030 --> 17:28.240 align:start IT'S THERE. 17:28.240 --> 17:30.120 align:start I LIKE THE FACT THAT WE'RE 17:30.120 --> 17:31.180 align:start DOING LEGISLATION FOR SOMEBODY 17:31.180 --> 17:32.240 align:start OUTSIDE OF MARION COUNTY BECAUSE 17:32.240 --> 17:34.240 align:start COMING FROM NORTHERN INDIANA, WE 17:34.240 --> 17:36.160 align:start SEEM TO DO NOTHING MORE THAN 17:36.160 --> 17:37.180 align:start LEGISLATION SPECIFIC TO MARION 17:37.180 --> 17:37.280 align:start COUNTY. 17:37.280 --> 17:38.280 align:start AND FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I'VE 17:38.280 --> 17:41.120 align:start GOT A COUPLE PACKAGE LIQUOR 17:41.120 --> 17:42.250 align:start STORES THAT ARE GOING TO BE 17:42.250 --> 17:43.240 align:start COMING DOWN TESTIFYING IN 17:43.240 --> 17:45.120 align:start SUPPORT OF THE BILL BECAUSE, 17:45.120 --> 17:47.030 align:start AGAIN, THEY HAVE SIX MILES AWAY 17:47.030 --> 17:48.200 align:start NEW BUFFALO, MICHIGAN AND THESE 17:48.200 --> 17:49.270 align:start PEOPLE ARE SAYING, HEY, WE WANT 17:49.270 --> 17:51.100 align:start THE PEOPLE TO STAY AT HOME, I 17:51.100 --> 17:53.150 align:start AGREE WITH PATRICK THAT WE HAVE 17:53.150 --> 17:54.170 align:start TO HAVE THE LEGISLATION, WE'RE 17:54.170 --> 17:56.170 align:start NOT GOING TO BE IRRESPONSIBLE 17:56.170 --> 17:58.170 align:start AND I BELIEVE IT'S UP TO THE 17:58.170 --> 18:00.180 align:start SENATOR AND MYSELF TO MAKE SURE 18:00.180 --> 18:02.010 align:start THE LEGISLATION IS APPROPRIATE 18:02.010 --> 18:03.220 align:start BECAUSE I KNOW HE'S CLEAR ABOUT 18:03.220 --> 18:06.160 align:start IT AND I'M CLEAR WE DON'T WANT 18:06.160 --> 18:07.250 align:start UNDERAGE DRINKING OR 18:07.250 --> 18:09.160 align:start IRRESPONSIBLE DRINKING BUT LET'S 18:09.160 --> 18:10.220 align:start NOT IGNORE THE FACT THAT WE HAVE 18:10.220 --> 18:11.250 align:start SUNDAY SALES. 18:11.250 --> 18:13.170 align:start THIS SYMPATHY A 18:13.170 --> 18:14.230 align:start REPUBLICAN-DEMOCRATIC ISSUE, 18:14.230 --> 18:16.060 align:start THIS IS PERFECT EVIDENCE THIS 18:16.060 --> 18:17.190 align:start HAS MUCH MORE TO DO WITH 18:17.190 --> 18:18.260 align:start GEOGRAPHY AND RURAL 18:18.260 --> 18:20.030 align:start INVESTIGATORS URBAN AND OTHER 18:20.030 --> 18:21.020 align:start SORTS OF ISSUES -- 18:21.020 --> 18:23.010 align:start THERE YOU GO, DON'T DO IT FOR 18:23.010 --> 18:25.120 align:start CONSUMERS IF YOU DON'T WANT TO. 18:25.120 --> 18:27.220 align:start DO IT FOR LIQUOR STORE OWNERS 18:27.220 --> 18:29.070 align:start WHO ARE IN BORDER COMMUNITIES 18:29.070 --> 18:30.270 align:start WHO KNOW THEY'RE LOSING SALES 18:30.270 --> 18:32.010 align:start EVERY SUNDAY. 18:32.010 --> 18:33.090 align:start SO THERE YOU GO. 18:33.090 --> 18:35.000 align:start THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO HELP 18:35.130 --> 18:38.130 align:start THE SMALL, INDEPENDENT LIQUOR 18:38.130 --> 18:40.270 align:start STORE OWNERS THAT PAT TAMM SAYS 18:40.270 --> 18:42.240 align:start HE'S CHAMPIONING, GIVE THEM AN 18:42.240 --> 18:43.190 align:start OPPORTUNITY TO INCREASE THEIR 18:43.190 --> 18:44.280 align:start SALES AND GROW ON SUNDAY. 18:44.280 --> 18:46.210 align:start LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THIS 18:46.210 --> 18:47.280 align:start CLICHE, ANOTHER ONE THAT COMES 18:47.280 --> 18:49.110 align:start UP THAT GOVERNMENT SHOULDN'T BE 18:49.110 --> 18:51.180 align:start IN THE BUSINESS OF PICKING 18:51.180 --> 18:53.170 align:start WINNERS AND LOSERS. 18:53.170 --> 18:55.060 align:start THAT CUTS BOTH WAYS. 18:55.060 --> 18:57.060 align:start IF THIS OPENED A BROADER 18:57.060 --> 18:58.180 align:start CROSS-SECTION OF RETAILERS, 18:58.180 --> 18:59.290 align:start PATRICK TAMM, I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN 18:59.290 --> 19:01.100 align:start QUOTED AS SAYING THAT'S PICKING 19:01.220 --> 19:04.220 align:start A WINNER AND A LOSER, YOUR 19:04.220 --> 19:06.250 align:start CLIENTS AND YOUR MEMBERS BEING 19:06.250 --> 19:09.220 align:start SECONDLY LOSERS BUT ISN'T THE 19:09.220 --> 19:10.230 align:start OPPOSITE TRUE TRUE? 19:10.230 --> 19:12.040 align:start ISN'T THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OR 19:12.040 --> 19:13.230 align:start EXISTING STATUTE PICKING A 19:15.180 --> 19:18.180 align:start WINNER IN THIS REGARD, TOO? 19:18.180 --> 19:20.180 align:start I MEAN, IS AN ARGUMENT -- LET 19:20.180 --> 19:22.120 align:start THE MARKET, YOU KNOW -- 19:22.120 --> 19:23.190 align:start YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT -- 19:23.190 --> 19:25.130 align:start WE'RE SELLING ALCOHOL IN A 19:25.130 --> 19:26.130 align:start REGULATED ENVIRONMENT. 19:26.130 --> 19:29.010 align:start ALCOHOL'S NOT IN A FREE MARKET. 19:29.010 --> 19:30.290 align:start NEVER HAS BEEN. 19:30.290 --> 19:32.200 align:start SO YOU HAVE TO REALIZE WE'RE 19:32.200 --> 19:33.200 align:start TALKING ABOUT ALCOHOL. 19:33.200 --> 19:36.010 align:start WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT 19:36.010 --> 19:36.120 align:start POP-TARTS. 19:36.120 --> 19:38.030 align:start WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT CEREAL. 19:38.030 --> 19:39.090 align:start WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT MILK. 19:39.090 --> 19:41.120 align:start WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALCOHOL. 19:41.120 --> 19:43.130 align:start WE'RE SELLING TOBACCO BEHIND THE 19:43.130 --> 19:43.240 align:start COUNTER. 19:43.240 --> 19:45.070 align:start WE'RE SELLING COLD MEDICINE 19:45.070 --> 19:45.290 align:start BEHIND THE PHARMACY. 19:45.290 --> 19:47.240 align:start WHY ARE WE DOING THAT? 19:47.240 --> 19:50.060 align:start BECAUSE THOSE PRODUCTS CAN CAUSE 19:50.060 --> 19:51.180 align:start SOX HARM. 19:51.180 --> 19:52.220 align:start DON'T DISAGREE. 19:52.220 --> 19:54.240 align:start ALCOHOL CAN CAUSE PRETTY QUICK 19:54.240 --> 19:56.120 align:start HARM, CAN END LIVES, CAN HAVE 19:56.150 --> 19:59.150 align:start SOME TRAGIC IMPACT. 19:59.150 --> 20:01.030 align:start LET'S REFRAME WHERE THIS IS A 20:01.030 --> 20:02.010 align:start PUBLIC POLICY DECISION, HOW DO 20:02.010 --> 20:03.150 align:start YOU WANT TO SELL ALCOHOL, YOU 20:03.150 --> 20:06.000 align:start WANT TO SELL IT WILLY-NILLY ALL 20:06.000 --> 20:07.150 align:start OVER THE STORE LIKE WALMART DOES 20:07.220 --> 20:10.220 align:start AND ALL THE BIG BOX FOLKS DO OR 20:10.250 --> 20:13.250 align:start SELL IT IN A RESPONSIBLE MANNER? 20:13.250 --> 20:16.170 align:start GRANT IS IN A BLOOD THIRST 20:16.170 --> 20:17.230 align:start SEARCH FOR PROFITS. 20:17.230 --> 20:19.230 align:start WALMART WANTS TO BE A MARKET 20:19.230 --> 20:21.090 align:start LEADER NATIONALLY IN THE SALES 20:21.090 --> 20:21.230 align:start OF ALCOHOL. 20:21.230 --> 20:23.080 align:start THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. 20:23.080 --> 20:24.110 align:start THEY DON'T REALLY CARE HOW THEY 20:24.110 --> 20:24.270 align:start GET THERE. 20:24.270 --> 20:26.040 align:start THEY WANT TO GET THERE. 20:26.040 --> 20:28.110 align:start SO WHAT ARE THEY DOING? 20:28.110 --> 20:29.140 align:start THEY'RE SPENDING MILLIONS OF 20:29.140 --> 20:30.230 align:start DOLLARS ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO 20:30.230 --> 20:33.170 align:start ERODE AND DEEATING THE SALE OF 20:33.170 --> 20:34.020 align:start ALCOHOL. 20:34.020 --> 20:35.260 align:start OUR MEMBERS SELL ALCOHOLIC 20:35.260 --> 20:37.000 align:start BEVERAGES RESPONSIBLY SIX DAYS A 20:37.000 --> 20:39.290 align:start WEEK AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE 20:39.290 --> 20:42.060 align:start A.T.C.'S OWN RECORD LIQUOR STORE 20:42.060 --> 20:44.230 align:start OWNERS ARE MORE LIKELY TO SELL 20:44.230 --> 20:47.080 align:start TO MINORS THAN DRUG AND GROCERY 20:47.080 --> 20:48.260 align:start STORE OPERATORS ARE AND THAT'S A 20:48.260 --> 20:49.130 align:start CONSISTENT FACT. 20:49.130 --> 20:50.290 align:start THEY CONSTANTLY SELL MORE TO 20:51.020 --> 20:54.020 align:start MINORS THAN OUR MEMBERS DO. 20:54.020 --> 20:55.230 align:start (OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS). 20:55.230 --> 20:58.130 align:start YOU JUST TALK ABOUT 20:58.130 --> 21:00.030 align:start REGULATION ALL YOU WANT BUT THE 21:00.030 --> 21:02.220 align:start FACT IS WE'VE GOT RESPONSIBLE 21:02.220 --> 21:04.030 align:start CORPORATE CITIZENS WHO ARE 21:04.030 --> 21:05.190 align:start OPERATING STORES WHERE PEOPLE 21:05.190 --> 21:06.210 align:start WANT TO SHOP. 21:06.210 --> 21:08.040 align:start BUT THE BIG BOXES, THEY 21:08.040 --> 21:09.180 align:start EMPLOY HOOSIERS. 21:09.180 --> 21:11.290 align:start AND THEN ALSO PATRICK REPRESENTS 21:11.290 --> 21:13.130 align:start SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS, I'M A 21:13.130 --> 21:14.210 align:start SMALL BUSINESS OWNER. 21:14.210 --> 21:15.270 align:start I KNOW HOW DIFFICULT IT IS AND 21:15.270 --> 21:17.030 align:start THEY'RE UNDER GREAT REGULATION. 21:17.030 --> 21:19.210 align:start AND FROM THE A.T. C.'S 21:19.210 --> 21:22.060 align:start PERSPECTIVE, HOW DIFFICULT IS IT 21:22.180 --> 21:25.180 align:start TO MONITOR A BIG BOX STORE THAT 21:25.180 --> 21:27.120 align:start ALLOWS UNDERAGE INDIVIDUALS IN 21:27.120 --> 21:29.080 align:start THERE TO DECIDE WHO'S VIOLATING 21:29.080 --> 21:31.030 align:start AND WHO'S NOT WHERE IT'S CLEAR 21:31.120 --> 21:34.120 align:start IN A PACKAGE CLICK LIQUOR STORE, 21:34.120 --> 21:35.100 align:start HEY, YOU HAVE TO BE 21. 21:35.100 --> 21:36.170 align:start IT'S EASY, I BELIEVE, AND YOU 21:36.170 --> 21:38.090 align:start CAN AGREE OR DISAGREE TO FIND 21:38.110 --> 21:41.110 align:start THOSE VIOLATIONS IN A PACKAGE 21:41.110 --> 21:41.290 align:start LIQUOR STORE. 21:41.290 --> 21:42.260 align:start THE CHAIRMAN IS RIGHT. 21:42.260 --> 21:44.030 align:start THE CHAIRMAN IS ALWAYS RIGHT. 21:44.030 --> 21:45.260 align:start THE CHAIRMAN IS ALWAYS RIGHT. 21:45.260 --> 21:46.070 align:start [LAUGHTER] 21:46.070 --> 21:47.230 align:start I HOPE OUR COLLEAGUES 21:47.230 --> 21:48.260 align:start UNDERSTAND THAT. 21:48.260 --> 21:49.070 align:start [LAUGHTER] 21:49.070 --> 21:50.020 align:start ANYONE HOW, BECAUSE WHEN YOU 21:50.020 --> 21:52.090 align:start COME OUT OF A PACKAGE LIQUOR 21:52.090 --> 21:54.170 align:start STORE YOU'RE ONLY CARRYING 21:54.170 --> 21:55.170 align:start ALCOHOL, THERE'S NO SECRET. 21:55.170 --> 21:57.010 align:start WHEN YOU COME OUT OF A BIG BOX 21:57.010 --> 21:59.100 align:start THERE COULD BE MILKICS BREAD, 21:59.100 --> 22:00.200 align:start YATTA, YATTA, YATTA, YOU CAN'T 22:01.190 --> 22:04.190 align:start STOP EVERYONE TO LET ME LOOK IN 22:04.190 --> 22:06.010 align:start THEIR SACK. 22:06.010 --> 22:07.160 align:start GRANT'S RIGHT IN TERMS OF THE 22:07.160 --> 22:08.220 align:start VIOLATIONS BUT EVEN IF YOU MEET 22:08.220 --> 22:11.160 align:start WITH THE A.T.C. THE CHAIRMAN'S 22:11.160 --> 22:14.100 align:start EXACTLY RIGHT IT'S A MATTER OF 22:14.100 --> 22:15.180 align:start HOOSIER CUSTOMERS. 22:15.180 --> 22:16.280 align:start WHERE JUDGE YOUNG CAME DOWN 22:16.280 --> 22:18.220 align:start ON THIS IN A COLD BEER CASE. 22:18.220 --> 22:20.070 align:start SAME LINE. 22:20.070 --> 22:22.180 align:start JUDGE YOUNG CALLED IT MISPLACED, 22:22.180 --> 22:23.000 align:start IRRELEVANT. 22:23.000 --> 22:24.280 align:start BECAUSE WE'RE UNDER MUCH 22:24.280 --> 22:26.090 align:start STRICTER REGULATIONS, WE HAVE 22:26.090 --> 22:28.000 align:start PROBABLE CAUSE COMING OUT OF OUR 22:28.000 --> 22:28.170 align:start STORES. 22:28.170 --> 22:31.030 align:start JUDGE YOUNG, MISPLACED AND 22:31.030 --> 22:31.180 align:start IRRELEVANT. 22:31.180 --> 22:33.070 align:start I'M GETTING THE SIGNAL IT'S 22:33.070 --> 22:35.270 align:start LAST CALL FOR US, TURN THE 22:35.270 --> 22:37.000 align:start LIGHTS OFF PRETTY SOON, DIDN'T 22:37.000 --> 22:39.210 align:start GET TO LINE SALES AND MICRO 22:39.210 --> 22:40.020 align:start BREWERIES. 22:40.020 --> 22:41.270 align:start TIME FLIES WHEN YOU'RE TALKING 22:41.270 --> 22:43.270 align:start TO SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO 22:44.060 --> 22:47.060 align:start HOOSIERS ON THIS ISSUE 22:47.060 --> 22:47.250 align:start AGAIN, MY GUESTS HAVE BEEN 22:47.250 --> 22:48.160 align:start REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVE TOM 22:48.160 --> 22:49.040 align:start DERMODY OF LAPORTE 22:49.040 --> 22:49.270 align:start REPUBLICAN SENATOR RON ALTING 22:49.270 --> 22:50.210 align:start OF LAFAYETTE GRANT MONAHAN 22:50.210 --> 22:51.200 align:start OF THE INDIANA RETAIL COUNCIL 22:51.200 --> 22:53.000 align:start AND PATRICK TAMM OF THE 22:53.000 --> 22:54.020 align:start INDIANA ASSOCIATION OF 22:56.000 --> 22:59.000 align:start BEVERAGE RETAILERS. 22:59.000 --> 23:00.220 align:start DOES FREEDOM OF RELIGION 23:00.220 --> 23:02.070 align:start INCLUDE FREEDOM FROM RELIGION? 23:02.230 --> 23:05.230 align:start WHEN DO MY BELIEFS TRUMP YOURS? 23:05.230 --> 23:08.110 align:start ON THE NEXT INDIANA LAWMAKERS. 23:08.110 --> 23:09.000 align:start TIME NOW FOR MY WEEKLY 23:09.000 --> 23:09.290 align:start CONVERSATION WITH ED 23:09.290 --> 23:11.050 align:start FEIGENBAUM, PUBLISHER OF THE 23:11.050 --> 23:12.280 align:start NEWSLETTER INDIANA LEGISLATIVE 23:13.060 --> 23:16.060 align:start INSIGHT 23:16.060 --> 23:18.040 align:start ED, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS 23:18.040 --> 23:18.140 align:start DEBATE? 23:18.140 --> 23:19.100 align:start I DON'T THINK THIS IS A 23:19.100 --> 23:20.090 align:start CONVERSATION, I THINK WE OUGHT 23:20.090 --> 23:22.280 align:start TO CALL IT HAPPY HOUR HERE. 23:23.090 --> 23:26.090 align:start WE SAW SOME VERY INTERESTING 23:26.090 --> 23:27.010 align:start INTERCHANGE OBVIOUSLY DURING THE 23:27.010 --> 23:28.040 align:start ROUND TABLE BUT I THINK WHAT YOU 23:28.040 --> 23:30.100 align:start NEED TO DO IS STEP BACK AND LOOK 23:30.100 --> 23:31.280 align:start AT WHERE WE'D BE IF WE WERE 23:31.280 --> 23:33.010 align:start STARTING FROM SCRATCH. 23:33.010 --> 23:34.010 align:start NOW, OBVIOUSLY, THE LEGISLATURE 23:34.010 --> 23:35.270 align:start CAN'T DO THAT BUT I THINK 23:35.270 --> 23:37.090 align:start EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT IF WE 23:37.090 --> 23:39.060 align:start WERE SETTING UP A REGULATORY 23:39.060 --> 23:41.090 align:start SYSTEM TODAY, IT WOULD NOT LOOK 23:42.010 --> 23:45.010 align:start ANYTHING LIKE WHAT WE HAVE 23:45.010 --> 23:47.020 align:start TODAY, WHAT IT'S EVOLVED INTO, 23:47.020 --> 23:49.160 align:start WHAT IT STARTED OUT AS, YOU 23:49.160 --> 23:51.150 align:start KNOW, JUST AFTER THE PROHIBITION 23:51.150 --> 23:52.210 align:start AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE 23:52.210 --> 23:54.060 align:start IN THE BACK OF THEIR MINDS THAT 23:54.060 --> 23:55.170 align:start GIVEN THAT WE WOULDN'T DO IT 23:55.170 --> 23:57.140 align:start TODAY IF WE WERE TO START OUT 23:57.140 --> 23:59.000 align:start AGAIN TODAY, THAT MAYBE IT IS 23:59.180 --> 24:02.200 align:start TIME FOR SOME CHANGES. 24:02.200 --> 24:04.140 align:start BUT WE VOTE AS A STATE, 24:04.140 --> 24:06.140 align:start HAMSTRUNG IS A LOADED WORD, BY 24:06.140 --> 24:07.180 align:start HISTORY SOME WOULD SAY THAT'S 24:07.180 --> 24:09.050 align:start GOOD POLICY BUT CLEARLY HISTORY 24:09.050 --> 24:11.020 align:start BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAPPEN IN A 24:11.020 --> 24:12.230 align:start VACUUM WILL HELP SHAPE THIS 24:12.230 --> 24:13.290 align:start DEBATE MOVING FORWARD? 24:13.290 --> 24:15.230 align:start SURE, AND SO WILL -- WE'LL 24:15.230 --> 24:17.190 align:start PUT OUR CONCEPT OF WHAT THE 24:17.190 --> 24:18.290 align:start FUTURE OUGHT TO BE. 24:18.290 --> 24:20.250 align:start AND THERE ARE A BUNCH OF OTHER 24:21.280 --> 24:24.280 align:start ITEMS UNDER THAT REBRICK WITH 24:24.280 --> 24:26.100 align:start RESPECT TO ALCOHOL ARREST AS 24:26.100 --> 24:26.190 align:start WELL. 24:26.190 --> 24:28.160 align:start DIVE IN WITH THOSE, WE WANT, 24:28.160 --> 24:29.270 align:start OF COURSE WINE SHIPMENTS. 24:29.270 --> 24:32.120 align:start SURE THE DIRECT-TO-CONSUMER 24:32.120 --> 24:34.070 align:start WINE SHIPMENT THING, THE 24:34.070 --> 24:37.070 align:start REQUIREMENT TO HAVE FACE-TO-FACE 24:37.070 --> 24:37.170 align:start CONTACT. 24:38.190 --> 24:41.190 align:start AGAIN, MAYBE A BIT ANACHRONISTIC 24:41.190 --> 24:44.010 align:start WE WOULDN'T TODAY IF WE WOULD 24:44.010 --> 24:46.010 align:start START FROM SCRATCH REGULATING. 24:46.010 --> 24:48.010 align:start THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE 24:48.010 --> 24:50.040 align:start EVEN OVER THE PAST DECADE WITH 24:50.040 --> 24:51.070 align:start RESPECT TO THE SMALL CRAFT 24:51.070 --> 24:52.160 align:start BREWERIES AND THE LIMITS THAT 24:52.160 --> 24:54.200 align:start WERE IMPOSED ON THEM THAT WE 24:54.260 --> 24:57.260 align:start MIGHT NOT DO IF WE STARTED AGAIN 24:57.260 --> 24:59.240 align:start FROM SCRATCH TODAY. 24:59.240 --> 25:01.060 align:start BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU'VE GOT 25:01.060 --> 25:04.060 align:start A SYSTEM, YOU'VE GOT A RUBRIC, 25:04.060 --> 25:07.000 align:start YOU'VE GOT A FRAMEWORK, AS 25:07.000 --> 25:08.130 align:start PATRICK TAMM POINTED OUT, THAT 25:08.130 --> 25:09.130 align:start HAS WORKED FOR THE STATE FOR SO 25:09.130 --> 25:11.090 align:start LONG AND IF YOU START MAKING 25:11.090 --> 25:12.210 align:start SOME SMALL CHANGES, LIKE, FOR 25:12.210 --> 25:14.010 align:start EXAMPLE, BUMPING UP THE CAP FOR 25:14.010 --> 25:15.190 align:start THE SMALL BREWERIES, THEN YOU 25:15.290 --> 25:18.290 align:start RUN UP AGAINST SOME OF THE OTHER 25:18.290 --> 25:21.230 align:start SYSTEMS LIKE THE THREE-TIER 25:21.230 --> 25:22.260 align:start DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM WHICH IS 25:22.260 --> 25:23.270 align:start IMPORTANT NOT ONLY IN INDIANA 25:23.270 --> 25:25.270 align:start BUT ACROSS -- 25:25.270 --> 25:28.050 align:start CONSTERNATION OF THE INDIANA 25:28.050 --> 25:31.050 align:start LIQUOR LAWS, TO SOME EXTENT. 25:31.050 --> 25:31.200 align:start ABSOLUTELY. 25:31.200 --> 25:34.140 align:start THEN YOU BRING IN ALL FORMS OF 25:34.140 --> 25:35.180 align:start REGULATION AND WE'RE LOOKING AT 25:35.180 --> 25:37.040 align:start THESE KINDS OF THINGS WITH 25:37.040 --> 25:37.290 align:start RESPECT TO OTHER AREAS LIKE WHEN 25:37.290 --> 25:39.230 align:start YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AUTO SALES, 25:39.230 --> 25:41.010 align:start FOR EXAMPLE, THAT THE 25:41.010 --> 25:43.080 align:start REQUIREMENT THAT YOU HAVE A CAR 25:43.270 --> 25:46.270 align:start DEALER BE OR YOUR DIRECTOR AS 25:46.270 --> 25:48.100 align:start OPPOSED TO DIRECT CONSUMER CAR 25:48.100 --> 25:48.190 align:start SALES. 25:48.190 --> 25:49.080 align:start INTERESTING STUFF. 25:49.080 --> 25:50.160 align:start WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THIS, 25:50.190 --> 25:53.190 align:start AGAIN, THIS SEASON, I AM SURE. 25:53.190 --> 25:55.290 align:start LOTS ON TAP. 25:55.290 --> 25:57.120 align:start ED, THANK YOU, AS ALWAYS FOR 26:09.170 --> 26:12.170 align:start YOUR INSIGHT 26:12.170 --> 26:13.280 align:start WELL, THAT CONCLUDES 26:13.280 --> 26:14.180 align:start ANOTHER EDITION OF "INDIANA 26:14.180 --> 26:15.000 align:start LAWMAKERS". 26:15.000 --> 26:15.200 align:start I'M JON SCHWANTES, AND, ON 26:15.200 --> 26:16.100 align:start BEHALF OF WFYI PUBLIC MEDIA 26:16.100 --> 26:16.260 align:start AND INDIANA'S OTHER 26:16.260 --> 26:17.170 align:start PUBLIC-BROADCASTING STATIONS, 26:17.170 --> 26:18.090 align:start I THANK YOU FOR JOINING US 26:18.090 --> 26:19.280 align:start AND I INVITE YOU TO VISIT 26:19.280 --> 26:22.180 align:start WFYI.org. 26:22.180 --> 26:24.020 align:start UNTIL NEXT WEEK TAKE CARE